November 13, 2024 • 39 mins
Colin discusses Klay Thompson's first game in the Bay Area since departing the Warriors and how Golden State managed this situation perfectly
More thoughts on the Chicago Bears firing their OC, and what to think of some players wanting Caleb Williams benched
Cowboys owner Jerry Jones has no idea what he is doing
Thoughts on the new College Football rankings
Guest: Josh McDaniels
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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We'll talk to Clatt about that interesting stuff today. Jmac Well,
I know you were watching Jmack, your beloved Dallas Maverick
And actually it's one of those regular seas at NBA games.
That was a little bit of a showcase. The players
knew they were on TV, and they knew everybody was
watching because Clay Thompson, the former Warrior Great, came back
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now a member of the Mavericks, so everybody was watching.
You could see the energy and the effort. Level of
the players was through the roof.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
It was one of those nights where you know, the
kids were around it and I was like, guys, look
at this matchup.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Oh my gosh, the mads are going off. They're like, Dad,
I thought we rooted for Steph Curry. I'm like, oh,
we can root for both. It was a great night
at basketball.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Yeah, Warriors continue, they're nine and two and they beat
the Mavericks. But it was about Klay Thompson. Klay Thompson
came back. They gave fans the Klay Thompson hat. He's
a legendary voter. He played well. They had a video.
It was wonderful. It was sweet, romanticizing, very special night.
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And now everybody can go their own way. Warriors are
better without him, Dallas is better with him. Sports trees
do not grow to the sky. You have to factor
in age, contract and injuries with older players. Get out
of this whole. Warriors owed him anything. Have you ever
run a business that's not how it works. What can
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you deliver now? If you're a top executive or a
top athlete, I'm not paying you for seven years ago.
They treated him well. They paid him two hundred and
sixty million dollars. It's a world class organization. You don't
give out lifetime achievement contracts. They do that in Hollywood
and it's usually cringey. Nobody was disrespected here. Again, they're
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salary caps. It's grown ups. I think what happened. And
Clay was getting very streaky. He was sort of becoming
a ghost in the playoffs and defensively he used to
be a great player, but there's so many injuries. He
became a little bit of a little bit of a liability,
sometimes not a little bit. And the Warriors said, listen,
we're going to offer you a role, reduce salary. It'll
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be a role, and he didn't like the offer. And
I have noah problem with the Warriors offering him a
reduced role and reduce salary. And I have no problem
with Klay Thompson saying, no, MAM's gonna pay me and
need me more. That's called sports. San Antonio, Tony Parker,
Manu Ginobili accepted roles as they age, and here comes
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Kawhi Leonard and we're getting younger and we have to
and they accepted their roles. Klay Thompson's like, I'm not Gonna.
I've been at the top of the mountain here. I
was the number one two guard in the league for
a long time. We got the name Splash Brothers. Probably
the best backcourt ever, certainly in the Jerry West Gale
Goodrich class. It was a great and he deserved all
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of it, and they paid him and they treated him well,
but he didn't like his role, And I think, what
is this. I've seen this with guys. A lot of
us guys collected baseball cards as kids, you know, and
then we got girlfriends and grew up. But a lot
of you guys never ever lose that childhood devotion to
your athletes. They move on. It's a business. Why is
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everybody in the NBA chasing the Boston Celtics. They moved
off KG and Paul. They got a bunch of picks,
and those picks became Jason Tatum and Jaylen Brown. That's
why everybody's chasing him, because they hit on two picks.
And then they find Derek White, go get him somewhere
and poor Zingis and make moves and now they're easily
the best team in the NBA. So it's twenty twenty four.
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Sports is an incredibly cold business. And that's okay. Everybody
knows it is. Nobody's losing sleep. That doesn't mean last
night wasn't cool, wasn't special. I felt the Warriors could
have treated this a lot of different ways, but they
wanted to make sure. Look at the crowd, it's great.
They all got Clay hats. Claim meant a lot to
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these people. But you know what means more now the
future and signing him to a long deal, a lifetime
achievement contract that paralyzes franchises for a decade, and you
know what I mean, Clay is going to be great
in Dallas. They need a catch and shoeguck. They got
Kyrie and Luca. Those guys always have the ball in
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their hands. Is perfect in Dallas. He's a catch and
shoot guy. You can give him the ball with three
minutes on the three seconds on the clock, Boom hits
a three. But he was appreciative. I think it meant
a lot to the Warriors. It meant a ton of
the fans, and here was a really nice guy after It.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Was a really cool experience. I appreciate the fans very much.
The captain's hat ended up being a great touch. Some
I'm such a passionate boter and saw a lot of
familiar faces in the crowded. That was a warm hearted feeling.
So it was really cool to see the fans were there.
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Gratitude towards myself and someone will never take for granted.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Wonderful guy, wonderful moment, terrific night. Touched a lot of people,
and this is a nice bow on the present. Everybody
is better served. Frankly, Clay Thompson is better served not
being a warrior. He'll be a much more important player
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on a warrior team. That is basically now Steph, Draymond,
Wiggins and kids. It is a deep roster. They play
a ton of guys, they play a bunch of minutes.
They're long, their athletic Steph still elite, Draymon it what
he does still elite. Wiggins. Eh, they're stuck with a contract.
They just didn't want to be stuck with two contracts.
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Great night, Way to go, Clay. All right, So the
Bears moved off yesterday offensive coordinator Shane Waldron. So now
the stories trickle out. Bears players went to the head
coach and the GM Matt Eberflus, Ryan Poles, and they
said get Shane out of here. Some of the older players,
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veteran players wanted to bench Caleb Williams for his backup bench,
and Caleb Williams is not the solution. Seeing him as
the solution. Veteran pro athletes don't have any patients because
they see the end of their careers coming and the
end of their contracts. It's why players should play, not
coaching GM. Look at Lebron's teams when he leaves, they're
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a mess. Teams let him GM. Older players have agendas,
their contracts, their stats, and their careers. I mean, have
you seen what the New York Jets look like? They
handed too much power to Aaron Rodgers? And what was
Aaron doing as an older player seeking familiarity and seeking comfort.
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He didn't care about the jets plans. He cared about
Aaron Rodgers. And you know, if I was older broadcaster,
of course, I'm still so young now, maybe that's what
I'd care about. But I mean, you can't lose patients
on this first of all, young quarterbacks is a roller
coaster ride. Let's just take a look at bo Nicks.
Remember how bad bo Nicks was in the first two starts.
You guys were all bailing on him. Colin, you don't
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know what you're talking about. This guy's no good. You're
you're you just listened to Sean Paige, Sean Paston, You
tax your buddies. Hey, I'm like, no, He's a rookie
on a pretty average roster with one or maybe two
really good offensive linemen. Bow Nick's first two weeks no touchdowns,
four turnovers and a forty seven passer rating. Should you
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bench him? No, Shane Waldron's not an elite coach. Bears
are not an elite organization. Caleb Williams is a rookie.
This was gonna be bumpy. I'll give you a great example.
We love c J Stroud. C J Stroud last year
had a three game stretch. C J Stroud, y'all love him.
I do three game stretch, fifty seven percent completion rate.
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You remember that. And by the way, he's had a
couple stinkers this year. And that's the guy we love
with a great left tackle with great weapons. Love his coach,
love his coordinator, I mean, we love everything he's around.
He had a month last year no good. And so
Caleb's got eight games left and the Bears are four
and five, and I went on this show. We got
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the audio somewhere, and I predicted they'd be I kept asking,
what if they're a seven win team, but you feel
better about Caleb than justin Fields. And my guess if
you look at their schedule, they're gonna be a seven
win team. There's some wins in there, but they're gonna
be tough. Green Bay at home, Minnesota at home. They
need to get at least one win there, but at
Detroit and San Francisco at Minnesota that could be a
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three game skid. They get Detroit and Seattle at home,
go to Green Bay. I think they got about three
more wins in them, and that's about where they should be.
I mean, nobody thought, none of you who are Bears
fans or not Bears fans. You didn't think eber Fluse
and Shane Waldron were the Andy Reid and Spags of
the next generation. Now Washington, in my opinion, did it
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the right way. They cleaned house. They said, we're going
to get this numb young quarterback Jaden Daniels, new coach,
new coordinator, new owner, new GM. Everything was new. We're
all the same timeline. Chicago made a choice. You and
I knew probably it wasn't gonna work. Eberflus was on
the hot seat week one in preseason. We were already
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trying to kind of pick apart what he was. So
they decided, because the Bears are cheap and don't have
great vision, especially on the offensive side of the ball,
let's just keep everybody. Yeah, we'll just change the coordinator,
same president, same owner, same coach, same Washington to the opposite.
It's been a flying success Bears. We all knew this
isn't gonna work. We all knew it at the time.
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And you also have Eberflus is just coaching to save
his job. Caleb's just trying to get better. So they
have different visions right now. Eberflus urgency Caleb patience, trying
to get better every week, every pass, every series. So
this has take a deep breath time. The solution is
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not listening. Thankfully the Bears didn't. It's not listening to
older players. They're loyal to their comment tracks, they're loyal
to their careers. Aaron to the New York Jets is
a great example. He sought comfort, he sought familiarity. He
didn't care about the Jets' long term plans. You can
screw this kit up if you sit him long long
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runway here. I mean, we just moved the jet. It's
doing a you. It's doing a you turn right now,
just trying to get on the runway. It's not even
on the runway yet. So j Mac Josh McDaniel's shown
up in studio this hour. I saw something this morning
that made me laugh. With the Dallas Cowboys. It's not
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gonna be a cowboy topic. Please don't turn the channel.
It's not gonna be a cowboy topic.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Didn't you think the Cowboys and the Jets were two
of the more interesting teams starting the season, and now
both of them are headed towards I didn't think the
Jets were interesting, I said, not great interesting.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
I think Aaron's complex. But you know what's funny in
our show, we get our management will give us a
couple times during the football season. They'll give us research
on what teams are hot, what players are hot, And
we just got some of that. Oh, Aaron Rodgers is
no longer popular.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
I like how you say us, I haven't seen that.
I haven't seen that dad slide that by.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Way, Aaron Rodgers, nobody cares they want to talk about
Lamar and Josh Allen, and they want to talk about Mahomes. Goodness,
the New York Giants test better than New York Jets.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Because when you haven't made the playoffs in over a decade,
come on, no aeron topics.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
I mentioned him today a couple of times, but no topics.
It's the new world we live in.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
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Speaker 1 (12:40):
I saw this this morning when I got up. All
front offices, as we know, are not created equal. You
know that all owners are not created equal. I always
thought Robert Kraft was a great owner. Stayed away, let
the football people do the football stuff. Has us on
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that can kind of keep him up on cultural trends
and tech and all that stuff. And maybe once a
decade that owner says, hey, I'm going to make a
move on this. We're keeping Brady, We're moving off Garoppolo, which,
by the way, was the right move. Belichick is a
great coach, not great with personnel. It was the right move.
Garoppolo was never going to replace Tom and be close
to Tom Okay. So, but I saw this. The Niners
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just paid ninety two million dollars and gave a five
year extension to a cornerback, Diamidor Lenore. Good player, gotten better,
gotten really good last couple of years baller. So that
means the Niners now are paying a fortune to Nick Mosa,
Brandon Ayu, Fred Warner, Javon Hargrove, George Kittle, Trent Williams,
Deebo Samuel Christian McCaffrey. Another corner. They just signed this corner.
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And yet the Cowboys, with only two great players, could
not afford Derrick Henry at eight million dollars last year
of the trade deadline. It's Jerry Jones' refusal to admit
he should be nowhere near the general manager role. He
doesn't know what he's doing. It's a bad, uneven roster.
It's not just that Dak is wildly overpaid. They got
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two great players Micah who's good but not Miles Garrett
or TJ. Watt and Ceedee Lamb, who's exceptional Zach Martin.
Dak are good players at this point. I mean, look
at the Philadelphia Eagles and they pay their quarterback the
Niners don't. Jalen Hurtz makes two hundred and fifty five million.
Aj Brown, three of their offensive linemen eat Dallas Goddard,
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Bryce hop Darius slay Saque. But they pay a running
back of fortune and they're fine. They're not having to
move pieces at the trade deadline. They are active usually
at trade deadline. They're active in the offseason. Not the Cowboys,
Kansas City Chiefs. They just added d hop They add
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pieces every year. They pay Patrick Mahorms four hundred and
fifty million dollars, they pay Chris Jones, they pay Joe Tooney,
Creed Humphrey, Travis Kelcey. They're gonna pay twenty six million
DeAndre Hopkins. And by the way, the Chiefs make moves
every year to go get guys, and they're not shopping
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the bargain basement, right. And the Cowboys didn't make a
move of the trade deadline, and they didn't make a
move in the offseason, and they had an okay draft.
So we all know owners aren't equal. The ideal owner
you don't see him much. Maybe once a decade he
has to step in and go, I'm keeping this guy
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or I'm keeping this coach. Once a decade, he does
a new radio hits. You know, he's not front and center.
He doesn't believe he knows more football than a bellachack Er,
a Rabel or a Mike McCarthy. I mean, just look
at the Niners. The Niners are now paying multiple receivers.
They're paying multiple corners, couple linebackers, positions you don't even
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want to pay. They're paying tight ends, running backs, and
they're like, yeah, let's pay another corner. And by the way,
they'll pay their safety Hufumnga in about a year or two.
They'll pay him to Cowboys out of money. There's got
to be a Swiss bank that can make a deal
for Jerry. Here's j Mack with a.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
News This is the headline news.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Yes, spicy matchup between the Steelers and the Ravens this weekend.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Very interesting.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
You know, Deontay Johnson is a former Steeler than he
had a pit stop in Carolina.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Now he's with the Ravens. Uh.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
It sounds like Mike Tomlin is not really concerned about
this new weapon in Baltimore.
Speaker 6 (16:45):
To be honest, which I hadn't thought a lot about it.
He's not on a lot of their video and so
you know, at this stage of the week, I don't
know that I weighed you know what he might mean
to the matchup. They got more significant pieces with larger
rolls that occupy am my attention at this part of
the week.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Best quote in the NFL. He's right, Well he's not wrong, yeah,
Lamar Jackson. Interesting game. I think I like Baltimore, but
I have missed on Pittsburgh all year long. I finally, finally,
in a big game last week, said I'm gonna go
with the Steelers. The Steelers. I will say this, I
admitted I was wrong on the Steelers. I went and
looked at some Russell Wilson numbers this morning. Oh boy,
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that's the three games, right, Well, yeah, that's that's a
pretty good sample size.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Three game.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
You don't think three games you can kind of tell
if a guy's got it or not. I mean Joe Flacco.
Joe Flacco, but the third quarter of his first start,
we both went, it's over. Yeah, he doesn't have it anymore.
Third quarter, first start. I got twelve quarters with Russell.
He's been great in eleven of them.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
My favorite is Jared Goffko. Look at his rookie numbers.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Of Jeff Fisher seven games playable.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
He had an he had the wrong coach, right, So
we're not that's a different comp.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Arthur Smith, How do we know he's the guy? What
did he do with Desmond Ridder in Atlanta?
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Well, Desmond Ridder didn't have NFL franchise County.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
And I don't know. I'm out on that guy.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
But I'll just say this, this line movement's interesting, and
I would tend to agree with you on three. Taking
the Steelers here, this Kyle Hamilton injury. That's not good
on the back end of a defense for the Ravens.
It's already bad. It's already really bad.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Pickens and Mike Williams could eat Boys Steelers.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
I think that's every week I stay away from a game,
I just want to watch. I stayed away from Detroit
in Houston. I just want to watch Steelers Ravens. I
think the numbers right. Three is the number I'm staying away.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
It's always close. Some teams you're really right on. I
nailed the Vikings this offseason. We knew the Vikings were
gonna be good in Las at Washington, Washington.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
I was way wrong on the Steelers.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
I don't think anybody saw this coming outside of people
who wear like, you know, black and gold or black
and yellow to sleep at night.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Weird those Steelers fans, But like, hey, they've been great and.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
We've acknowledged we were. We're not being stubborn about it.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
We're wrong.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
They're a good football team. I mean, this is not
a mirage. I I think they're better than you're giving
credit for. I don't think they're a super Bowl team,
but I think there there's too many data points that
show you they're really, really good and they will last. Okay,
they run it, their defense, their pass rush, they don't
make mistakes, they have a veteran court. There's too many
things they do. Like Washington was a little fools goal.
They've lost the best teams they've played. Pittsburgh has got
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played the Chargers. Now, Herbert wasn't one hundred percent, but
they could not move the ball at all, and they
and what the line on the Ravens game is, it's
a field goal. Again, it Vegas is telling you is
a really good team.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Well, let me ask.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Okay, so Pittsburgh has exceeded all expectations. So let's say
they win one playoff game and then lose to Ravens Bills.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Whoever, what do they do in the offseason.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Do they just run this back and they go, we
got to shot on here and you got to pay
Russell Wilson. Now remember he's he's on the chief because.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
He I think he has one more year.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
You know, Russell Wilson's gonna be like, hey, I delivered.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
We got to play he I think you'd ry with
a Russell this year and next you can draft a quarterback.
But I think I think Justin Fields is a backup,
is an exceptional backup.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
He's gonna want to stay there to be the backup.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
He just proved there's no market for him.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Certainly there is somebody for Justin Fields.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Yeah, Mike Tomlin benched him.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Well for Russell by the way.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
And benched him and the team got significantly better the market.
There'll be no market for Justin Fields.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
I mean, if it is robust, well I'm talking like
Carolina or something, they'll have no market. But if the
Raiders aren't drafting in the top five, the Justin Field
is not the answer. I'm not saying he's the answer.
He's potentially as a short term solution. We know it's
not Minshew or O'Connell, and if they're not drafted high enough.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
There's no way Fields is gonna stay to be it.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
I thought Justin had another shot to start, But what
I saw in his five or six starts and what
I see with what Russell's done with the same exact talent,
we got a new It's like mac Jones, Hey it's Belichick.
Then you watch for Jacksonville one start, Yeah, can't play
like I got new information you and I never hold
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on to old information. I got new starts. I thought C. J.
Stratt would be this. He ended up being that, and
now this year he's pulled back. He's not quite that.
Like it's new information if you get if you're a
pilot and you get a new flight plan because of storms,
you want to fly into the storm or you want
to adhere to the new flight plan.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
New information on Fields this year there so he's not
as bad as he was.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
We watched them in Chicago, but we always said a
lot of that is Chicago, and then Mike Tomlin went, yeah,
it's not Chicago. And then Russell with the same players,
they look like a top six team in the league.
So I'm getting all sorts of new information. Tomlin's like, Nah,
Russell with the same players. Wow, I'm getting bits and
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pieces of new information, all of it landing on the
Justin fields as a backup. That doesn't mean it's a
month and a half ago. I'm like, I think he
could get another shot. I thought it in the offseason.
But when you start getting new information and don't pay
attention to it, you end up being a fan. You
get fired and sit with that. Well.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
I mean, we didn't know if Russell Wilson would be
a starter anywhere.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Remember there was like try Denver moved off.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
And it's like any takers and Russell's looking around.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
It's like crazy.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
And now we have three games and it's been the
three games that have looked the exact same way. No turnovers,
good movement, deep ball. Like all the games have looked
the same.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
I wonder if it'll look a little different against a
better defense. Not that Baltimore is great on the back end,
but their front seven is pretty good.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
That's a good game. It should be fun. Let's go
to the Colts. The Joe Flacco experiment is over.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Reports are the Colts will go back to Anthony Richardson
as the starter, Shane Steiken said, not just for this
week against my Jets.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
For the rest of the season.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
By the way, Russ is on a one year deal.
I was just told was two. It's one.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Stiken admitting he was wrong. Colin, Yeah, that's I said.
I got this wrong, and I'm glad all along. I said,
Andrey richards has ten starts. We have some patience.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Prime example, Shane Steikins says he watched Joe Flacco like
we all did and said he can't do it. But
you don't know, n do you do stuff? You got to.
You gotta take swings. Shane Steiken took a swing and
thankfully he didn't overreact to the Anthony Richardson saying I'm tired.
(23:22):
He didn't like it, but overreacting would be sticking with
Flacco for another four games to punish Anthony Richardson. Anthony's young,
he made a mistake, he learned his lesson. He won't
do it again. But this idea, So wait, you think
this is a punishment for that? Oh? I think it
was part of it.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Yeah, I would say part.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
But Shane Steikeen's not rigid, He's not stubborn. It's like
I'm not gonna punish him for the season. Kids make mistakes.
He's a kid, he barely played in college.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
This is Stikeen's first rodeo as a head coach. He's
learning on the fly.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Richardson certainly gives them a better chance to win long
term than Joe Flacco, who Joe Flacco could retire in
this offseason. It never made sense to go to Flaco.
Richardson against the Jets is interesting. I just grabbed him
in fantasy during the commercial break. I think he could
have a good game on the ground. Jets can't stop
the run.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
So now you got Anthony Richardson and Jonathan.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Taylor getting four points, Culture getting four points.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
I mean, I'm not betting on this this homage game,
but i am go go Colts.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Jets are looking for that high draft pick. Final story
is in the NBA.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Colin oh Man, this was an amazing finish last night
Detroit and Miami. Detroit gets an alley up with one
second left to tie Itt Spolster goes time out.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
They didn't have any technical foul. Detroit wins the game.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Spolstro one are the best coaches in the league, we
would agree.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Here's what he said after the loss, I.
Speaker 7 (24:42):
Just made a just a serious mental air, you know
there at the end. That's on my Uh, that's on me.
I feel horrible about it. You don't want them to
come down to a mental error like that. You just
would have liked to see this go double overtime. That's
that's the kind of game that it felt like it
deserved to go double ot and not have somebody getting
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the way of that.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
And unfortunately, you know, even.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
As a veteran coach, I got in the way of that.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Yeah, he's one about a hundred games there. I can
live with that. But I'm sure the internet is eating today,
crushing one of the smartest guys in the league, because
you know, occasionally aggressive people make mistakes. Who cares held
Chris Weber, you know who cares? It doesn't you know,
it's just he has won them multiple series. Forget games.
(25:31):
I've watched him as a as a like a seven
and eight seed. I mean, this guy got into the
playoffs a few years ago, like as a as a
deep seed and ended up in the finals. This guy
is one series as a coach.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Some Miami Heat fans, I'm not going to get two
down the rabbit hole. But they're a little upset with
the Miami defense for the first time. Is like in
like a decade is looking awful. They're getting a little old.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Jimmy Butler long in that.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
That is exactly why I'm a ton of talent. No,
they're not real twitchy, they're getting old. It is not
a great defensive roster. I mean, if you watch the
Warriors now, for instance, Dre Staff and kids, well, their
rebounding is great, their effort is great. They're playing tremendous defense.
I mean, like the Warriors defensive Why because they're all young,
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they got energy old rosters. Milwaukee has gone down the
tubes defensively. Now, Brook, Lopez and Giannis can defend the rim.
But they're not a very good defensive team. Why because
they're old. They can't defend the wing. Boston More, Boston
has athletes in their prime, Tatum Brown, Derek White. What
a shock the Celtics defend their perimeter at a high
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level athletes in their prime.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Last night, if you were watching any hoops between Cooper
flag with Duke by the way, the Celtics lost to
the Hawks in a great game this heat. Obviously, Steph
Curry good night of basketball like midweek.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
You know that's a little nice, right. I'm assuming you.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Watch Clay Thompson, Steph Curry, Captain's had on Captain Coward.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
It's got kind of a Hugh Hefner feel to It's
odd hat. Yeah, he liked that. Jmck of the news,
Well that's the news and thanks for stopping by the
herd line. Oh, people getting worked up the college football
second time. The college football twelve team Playoff bracket was
introduced last night. Miami Oregon BYU in Texas. Would have
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you know they get those buys in the first round. Folks.
People are arguing about Georgia SEC. I know they lost,
they should be in the top twelve. They beat BYU.
Georgia's thirteenth. They control their fate. They played Tennessee this weekend.
If they win, they're in, and Tennessee's not. Last year
we were arguing about an undefeated FSU team and a
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one lost Georgia team getting in. I'm not gonna lose
a lot of sleep arguing about the fourth best team
or the fifth best team in the SEC. Best is subjective.
Here's what's not qualifying? Okay, BYU is qualifying I don't
need to see an SEC team play an SEC team
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in the playoff. Again, it's called the regular season. There's
a purpose for it. There's a purpose for seeding in
this twelve team playoff. There is a purpose for the
playoff itself. I don't need to see more old Miss Georgia.
I've seen it. The top four seeds currently lead their
conference and get a bye. That's not subjective. That's called qualifying.
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Saying you know what I could I could drive. I'm
only thirteen, but I could drive that car. That's subjective.
Could you drive it? You're kind of young. Going to
the DMV and getting your license is qualifying. You can
drive a car. You may not drive it well, but
you can drive a car. So like, don't confuse the two.
I don't want to get into arguing if the fifth
best SEC team could beat Boyse State. I want to
see the best running back in the country play today.
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They play Ohio State, I'd watch it. Being Columbus, they
probably wouldn't win, but I'd watch. I'd like to see
the best running back in the country. So all these things,
now with a twelve team playoff, have a purpose. Regular
season got a purpose, Okay, conference championships means something. Seating
has a purpose, as will the playoff, so I don't
have a problem with it. I still think Texas is
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going to end up playing for the national championship. My
guest is they'll play Ohio State, although I think right
now Oregon's the best team, but I think it'll be
very difficult if they have to play. Texas has better
players and Ohio State they already beat. But I don't
I think Oregon is the best team i've seen. Ohio
State and Texas I think have the best players. I
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would be fascinated to watch Alabama in Indiana. I would
take Alabama, but I mean this Indiana coach is something else,
So again, it's got a purpose. I can't wait for it.
Josh McDaniel's going to join us in studio. I got
so many things to ask him. He's coming up.
Speaker 5 (29:40):
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Speaker 1 (29:45):
He began his career as a grad assistant Michigan State
under Nick Saban Bill Belichick. Six trophies there several seasons
NFL head coach Broncos and Raiders. Josh McDaniels is now
joining us. We've never officially met. I think we've you
may have come on before when you were the Raiders coach.
You were coming on the zoom time during COVID, that
kind of stuff. I got so many things to ask him.
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Let's start with this. So we watched these young quarterbacks.
I tended to think I thought Peyton and Boenix was
a good fit. I worried greatly about Caleb in Chicago's history.
If you were just privately talking how many starts, Josh
do you need with a rookie quarterback before you are
driving home and maybe calling an assistant thinking I'm not
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sure we got him, or he'll be fine, we got him.
Speaker 8 (30:32):
I think you need to give a time. I think
there's no question, you know, a few games here or
there is not going to tell you all the things
you need to know about whether or not he's going
to be able to do all the things he needs
to do to win at this level.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (30:46):
I mean, Jimmy was not going to be ready right
off the bat. Three years in in twenty sixteen, you know,
he had to start in Tom's absence, and he was
able to do that. He learned and developed and was
much more ready to do that.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
Then.
Speaker 8 (31:02):
I think they're all different now honestly, they're all coming
from different backgrounds, some different systems than others.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (31:09):
And then I think it really what matters most is
that marriage of the quarterback. What he's learned, what he's
good at, where is he going, what type of system
are they going to implement implement there with him, and
whether they're willing to adapt to his skill set and
what he does well? You know that. I think you're
seeing some of that now with Jaden with yeah, definitely,
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and and they're doing things that he's good at, you know.
And I think what Cliff's probably you know, doing now
is is what else can we add to his bucket?
You know, he he does these things well. Now we
want to keep develop him, you know, evolve him as
he goes throughout you know, his his career here and
and see what else we can add to him.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Do you worry about Caleb Williams Accuracy? Inconsistency? Are there
things you can't clean up?
Speaker 8 (31:59):
I think you can. You can always make things better.
And I haven't seen everything that Caleb has done. Certainly,
Caleb was you know, very well regarded coming out of
USC and had a great career there, and I think
all all these young quarterbacks come out and they find
life in the NFL is a little different. The windows
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are tighter, yeah, the coverages are different. The looks, the
disguises force you to hold the ball and have to
do different things with it. And so I think, you know,
give them time. You know, you know they're going to
make some mistakes, they're going to learn. And again, I
know they just made a shift or a change there,
and we'll see if that changes some of the success
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that he's having.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
You know, it's I've said this over the last month,
the Chiefs have become the Patriots. I'm not sure they
have the best roster, but I'm sure they have the
best head coach, best quarterback and one of the best
coordinators on either side. That was you. I'm also sure situationally,
they are smarter than you are. That's what you guys
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were for twenty years. You'd bring out that Edelman pass
against the raveng and You're like, how did they not
use that six weeks ago? That's a beauty, that's a gem,
and you had to hide it what it was? It
just you and Brady and Bill, is it just people
the Chiefs have become, you guys, they're not always the
best team, but they literally played their best football goal
line stand late third down. Ye, what is it?
Speaker 8 (33:25):
What's the lot of field goal?
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Yeah, they could have done that in the first quarter. Yeah,
they hid that puppy until the last play of the game. Yeah.
Speaker 8 (33:33):
I think they care about winning. I think they I
think they have a lot of guys that are selfless there.
And Andy, you know, he's obviously been doing this for
a long time and he's got that entire culture, you know,
buying into winnings the only thing that's really important at
the end of the day. And you saw it with
Kelsey early in the year. Wasn't catching a lot of passes.
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But you didn't hear about any bickering or complaining or
anything like that, because I think they've really figured it out.
You know, what's most important is how do we play
as a team against this opponent this week and be victorious.
And so I think Pat's matured. He understands what he
needs to do each week. Some weeks it's throw forty
six times for three hundred and fifty yards. Other weeks
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that's throw for one hundred and fifty yards and one touchdown.
You know, but Patrick's kind of put his ego aside,
not that he ever had one like that, but he
knows that I have to play a certain way to
give our team the best chance to win. I thought
Tom did that for years and years in New England.
And it's just gonna be hard to beat them. You know,
you're gonna have to play your a game. You're going
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to have to be really good situationally, really, you know,
really good situationally, and you're gonna have to, you know,
fight tooth and nail to out coach them, you know,
which is very difficult for anybody to do.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Owners are all billionaires now, Robert Kraft, like Jerry Jones
when they bought the Patriots, I mean, they were bailing water.
Do you just make rent right there? Now? They're all
billionaires firing a staff as a rounding air, moving off
coaches David Tepper and Carolina five six games in Robert Salacia.
It feels like owner's wealth has created more of an
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impulsive feel and that staffs are feeling it. Staffs are
tougher staffs. Did you never felt that in New England?
But you probably felt it with the Raiders. Do you
think it's affecting coaching in this league? You're forced to
be impatient because they're impatient.
Speaker 8 (35:32):
I think you definitely have an urgency that you feel
now in the league. I don't know you're right about
the New England situation. I never felt that I felt
urgency to do my best. I think we all did
to try to win. But I think you're seeing that
more and more that there's a very short shelf life
on opportunity and the urgency to do well and show
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that you know exactly how to improve and make progress.
It's evident. You know, it's evident across the league, and
whether it's quarterback changes, coaching changes, coordinator changes, that's certainly
part of our game.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Now.
Speaker 8 (36:07):
We all have to accept that we all understand the
life that we live, and you know, I hope it
doesn't affect decision making and things that you think are
the right things to do for the organization. But I
certainly I know there's a premium on winning quickly, that's
for sure.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
I always defended when you and Tom would have the
once a season blow up on the sidelines. My take is,
I mean, really, three and a half hours it's on television.
I'm on television. There are public jobs. It's not always pretty.
You're doing stuff live. I can't hide in an accountant's
office during the week, though. With you and Tom, when
would you present the game plan? Was it a give
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and take, a back and forth or would you present
the install on Tuesday? Wednesday? Tom goes along with it?
Did Tom push back a lot on installs?
Speaker 8 (36:52):
I think the more Tom played, the more success he had,
the more he understood what he likes and what he
didn't like. It certainly became a huge back and forth
for us. I mean, I have emails that are pages
and pages long of things that he liked and things
that he didn't like, you know, And that's I think
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that's what you have to do nowadays, is when you
know the quarterback has has thoughts and opinions and ideas
of what he feels good about. Yeah, you certainly have
to take all that in and then try to figure
out exactly what's the right blend of things that fit
that week against that team. And Tommy was not shy
about giving input on those kind of things, and he
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earned it, earned every bit of it, and so we
usually would be emailing on Monday, Tuesday, and then obviously
we practice Wednesday, Thursday, Friday and try to nail it down.
But we were emailing on Friday night and Saturday morning
as well to try to finalize the game plan. And
I just think that, you know, when you have a
guy like him, Pat Mahomes, Alan Lamar, you know, these
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guys that have certainly had a tremendous amount of Indo
Vigil success team success, they've earned the right to give
you their input, and you need to take that input
in and try to figure out how to utilize it
the best way.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
Bill had admiration and great respect for you, brought you back.
Obviously you had great success together. How often on the
headset would Bill say, Josh, you're not doing that reverse here? Josh,
we're running the football? Or did he give you carte blanche.
Speaker 8 (38:24):
He was really good about letting you kind of get
into the rhythm and flow of the game. He may say, hey,
can you stick a run in here? I want to
get it down to the two minute warning something like
that situation. Or he would say, hey, you got four
downs here to get the first down. You know it's
third and three and you know at a thirty seven. Hey,
you got two downs, go ahead and try to do
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whatever you want to do here. But he definitely did
a great job of just guiding us. You know, he
didn't overdo it on the headset. It's hard to do that,
you know, when you got a guy in a rhythm,
he's calling plays, he's trying to set things up, it's
hard to really interject too much. And I thought Bill
was great at that.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Did he ever say after a game you were great?
Speaker 8 (39:04):
I don't know if he ever said that. He might
have patted me on the back once or twice, but
you knew when you knew when you did a good job.
He definitely let you know that in certain ways, might
not have been the way somebody else did it, but
he did.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
Okay, you felt respected. I did. I did.
Speaker 8 (39:19):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
I'd love to have you back anytime you're around families
in town. I know your dad, you said, occasionally watches
the show and he must be bored out of his mind.
He I appreciate that, Hi dad, Josh McDaniels, please come again.
Thank you all right, appreciate it. Coming up next, Joel
Klack College Football, Mark Sanchez two hour two and the
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third
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We'll talk to Clatt about that interesting stuff today. Jmac Well,
I know you were watching Jmack, your beloved Dallas Maverick
And actually it's one of those regular seas at NBA games.
That was a little bit of a showcase. The players
knew they were on TV, and they knew everybody was
watching because Clay Thompson, the former Warrior Great, came back
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now a member of the Mavericks, so everybody was watching.
You could see the energy and the effort. Level of
the players was through the roof.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
It was one of those nights where you know, the
kids were around it and I was like, guys, look
at this matchup.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Oh my gosh, the mads are going off. They're like, Dad,
I thought we rooted for Steph Curry. I'm like, oh,
we can root for both. It was a great night
at basketball.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Yeah, Warriors continue, they're nine and two and they beat
the Mavericks. But it was about Klay Thompson. Klay Thompson
came back. They gave fans the Klay Thompson hat. He's
a legendary voter. He played well. They had a video.
It was wonderful. It was sweet, romanticizing, very special night.
(01:45):
And now everybody can go their own way. Warriors are
better without him, Dallas is better with him. Sports trees
do not grow to the sky. You have to factor
in age, contract and injuries with older players. Get out
of this whole. Warriors owed him anything. Have you ever
run a business that's not how it works. What can
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you deliver now? If you're a top executive or a
top athlete, I'm not paying you for seven years ago.
They treated him well. They paid him two hundred and
sixty million dollars. It's a world class organization. You don't
give out lifetime achievement contracts. They do that in Hollywood
and it's usually cringey. Nobody was disrespected here. Again, they're
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salary caps. It's grown ups. I think what happened. And
Clay was getting very streaky. He was sort of becoming
a ghost in the playoffs and defensively he used to
be a great player, but there's so many injuries. He
became a little bit of a little bit of a liability,
sometimes not a little bit. And the Warriors said, listen,
we're going to offer you a role, reduce salary. It'll
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be a role, and he didn't like the offer. And
I have noah problem with the Warriors offering him a
reduced role and reduce salary. And I have no problem
with Klay Thompson saying, no, MAM's gonna pay me and
need me more. That's called sports. San Antonio, Tony Parker,
Manu Ginobili accepted roles as they age, and here comes
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Kawhi Leonard and we're getting younger and we have to
and they accepted their roles. Klay Thompson's like, I'm not Gonna.
I've been at the top of the mountain here. I
was the number one two guard in the league for
a long time. We got the name Splash Brothers. Probably
the best backcourt ever, certainly in the Jerry West Gale
Goodrich class. It was a great and he deserved all
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of it, and they paid him and they treated him well,
but he didn't like his role, And I think, what
is this. I've seen this with guys. A lot of
us guys collected baseball cards as kids, you know, and
then we got girlfriends and grew up. But a lot
of you guys never ever lose that childhood devotion to
your athletes. They move on. It's a business. Why is
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everybody in the NBA chasing the Boston Celtics. They moved
off KG and Paul. They got a bunch of picks,
and those picks became Jason Tatum and Jaylen Brown. That's
why everybody's chasing him, because they hit on two picks.
And then they find Derek White, go get him somewhere
and poor Zingis and make moves and now they're easily
the best team in the NBA. So it's twenty twenty four.
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Sports is an incredibly cold business. And that's okay. Everybody
knows it is. Nobody's losing sleep. That doesn't mean last
night wasn't cool, wasn't special. I felt the Warriors could
have treated this a lot of different ways, but they
wanted to make sure. Look at the crowd, it's great.
They all got Clay hats. Claim meant a lot to
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these people. But you know what means more now the
future and signing him to a long deal, a lifetime
achievement contract that paralyzes franchises for a decade, and you
know what I mean, Clay is going to be great
in Dallas. They need a catch and shoeguck. They got
Kyrie and Luca. Those guys always have the ball in
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their hands. Is perfect in Dallas. He's a catch and
shoot guy. You can give him the ball with three
minutes on the three seconds on the clock, Boom hits
a three. But he was appreciative. I think it meant
a lot to the Warriors. It meant a ton of
the fans, and here was a really nice guy after It.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Was a really cool experience. I appreciate the fans very much.
The captain's hat ended up being a great touch. Some
I'm such a passionate boter and saw a lot of
familiar faces in the crowded. That was a warm hearted feeling.
So it was really cool to see the fans were there.
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Gratitude towards myself and someone will never take for granted.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Wonderful guy, wonderful moment, terrific night. Touched a lot of people,
and this is a nice bow on the present. Everybody
is better served. Frankly, Clay Thompson is better served not
being a warrior. He'll be a much more important player
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on a warrior team. That is basically now Steph, Draymond,
Wiggins and kids. It is a deep roster. They play
a ton of guys, they play a bunch of minutes.
They're long, their athletic Steph still elite, Draymon it what
he does still elite. Wiggins. Eh, they're stuck with a contract.
They just didn't want to be stuck with two contracts.
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Great night, Way to go, Clay. All right, So the
Bears moved off yesterday offensive coordinator Shane Waldron. So now
the stories trickle out. Bears players went to the head
coach and the GM Matt Eberflus, Ryan Poles, and they
said get Shane out of here. Some of the older players,
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veteran players wanted to bench Caleb Williams for his backup bench,
and Caleb Williams is not the solution. Seeing him as
the solution. Veteran pro athletes don't have any patients because
they see the end of their careers coming and the
end of their contracts. It's why players should play, not
coaching GM. Look at Lebron's teams when he leaves, they're
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a mess. Teams let him GM. Older players have agendas,
their contracts, their stats, and their careers. I mean, have
you seen what the New York Jets look like? They
handed too much power to Aaron Rodgers? And what was
Aaron doing as an older player seeking familiarity and seeking comfort.
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He didn't care about the jets plans. He cared about
Aaron Rodgers. And you know, if I was older broadcaster,
of course, I'm still so young now, maybe that's what
I'd care about. But I mean, you can't lose patients
on this first of all, young quarterbacks is a roller
coaster ride. Let's just take a look at bo Nicks.
Remember how bad bo Nicks was in the first two starts.
You guys were all bailing on him. Colin, you don't
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know what you're talking about. This guy's no good. You're
you're you just listened to Sean Paige, Sean Paston, You
tax your buddies. Hey, I'm like, no, He's a rookie
on a pretty average roster with one or maybe two
really good offensive linemen. Bow Nick's first two weeks no touchdowns,
four turnovers and a forty seven passer rating. Should you
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bench him? No, Shane Waldron's not an elite coach. Bears
are not an elite organization. Caleb Williams is a rookie.
This was gonna be bumpy. I'll give you a great example.
We love c J Stroud. C J Stroud last year
had a three game stretch. C J Stroud, y'all love him.
I do three game stretch, fifty seven percent completion rate.
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You remember that. And by the way, he's had a
couple stinkers this year. And that's the guy we love
with a great left tackle with great weapons. Love his coach,
love his coordinator, I mean, we love everything he's around.
He had a month last year no good. And so
Caleb's got eight games left and the Bears are four
and five, and I went on this show. We got
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the audio somewhere, and I predicted they'd be I kept asking,
what if they're a seven win team, but you feel
better about Caleb than justin Fields. And my guess if
you look at their schedule, they're gonna be a seven
win team. There's some wins in there, but they're gonna
be tough. Green Bay at home, Minnesota at home. They
need to get at least one win there, but at
Detroit and San Francisco at Minnesota that could be a
(09:25):
three game skid. They get Detroit and Seattle at home,
go to Green Bay. I think they got about three
more wins in them, and that's about where they should be.
I mean, nobody thought, none of you who are Bears
fans or not Bears fans. You didn't think eber Fluse
and Shane Waldron were the Andy Reid and Spags of
the next generation. Now Washington, in my opinion, did it
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the right way. They cleaned house. They said, we're going
to get this numb young quarterback Jaden Daniels, new coach,
new coordinator, new owner, new GM. Everything was new. We're
all the same timeline. Chicago made a choice. You and
I knew probably it wasn't gonna work. Eberflus was on
the hot seat week one in preseason. We were already
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trying to kind of pick apart what he was. So
they decided, because the Bears are cheap and don't have
great vision, especially on the offensive side of the ball,
let's just keep everybody. Yeah, we'll just change the coordinator,
same president, same owner, same coach, same Washington to the opposite.
It's been a flying success Bears. We all knew this
isn't gonna work. We all knew it at the time.
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And you also have Eberflus is just coaching to save
his job. Caleb's just trying to get better. So they
have different visions right now. Eberflus urgency Caleb patience, trying
to get better every week, every pass, every series. So
this has take a deep breath time. The solution is
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not listening. Thankfully the Bears didn't. It's not listening to
older players. They're loyal to their comment tracks, they're loyal
to their careers. Aaron to the New York Jets is
a great example. He sought comfort, he sought familiarity. He
didn't care about the Jets' long term plans. You can
screw this kit up if you sit him long long
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runway here. I mean, we just moved the jet. It's
doing a you. It's doing a you turn right now,
just trying to get on the runway. It's not even
on the runway yet. So j Mac Josh McDaniel's shown
up in studio this hour. I saw something this morning
that made me laugh. With the Dallas Cowboys. It's not
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gonna be a cowboy topic. Please don't turn the channel.
It's not gonna be a cowboy topic.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Didn't you think the Cowboys and the Jets were two
of the more interesting teams starting the season, and now
both of them are headed towards I didn't think the
Jets were interesting, I said, not great interesting.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
I think Aaron's complex. But you know what's funny in
our show, we get our management will give us a
couple times during the football season. They'll give us research
on what teams are hot, what players are hot, And
we just got some of that. Oh, Aaron Rodgers is
no longer popular.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
I like how you say us, I haven't seen that.
I haven't seen that dad slide that by.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Way, Aaron Rodgers, nobody cares they want to talk about
Lamar and Josh Allen, and they want to talk about Mahomes. Goodness,
the New York Giants test better than New York Jets.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Because when you haven't made the playoffs in over a decade,
come on, no aeron topics.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
I mentioned him today a couple of times, but no topics.
It's the new world we live in.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
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Speaker 1 (12:40):
I saw this this morning when I got up. All
front offices, as we know, are not created equal. You
know that all owners are not created equal. I always
thought Robert Kraft was a great owner. Stayed away, let
the football people do the football stuff. Has us on
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that can kind of keep him up on cultural trends
and tech and all that stuff. And maybe once a
decade that owner says, hey, I'm going to make a
move on this. We're keeping Brady, We're moving off Garoppolo, which,
by the way, was the right move. Belichick is a
great coach, not great with personnel. It was the right move.
Garoppolo was never going to replace Tom and be close
to Tom Okay. So, but I saw this. The Niners
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just paid ninety two million dollars and gave a five
year extension to a cornerback, Diamidor Lenore. Good player, gotten better,
gotten really good last couple of years baller. So that
means the Niners now are paying a fortune to Nick Mosa,
Brandon Ayu, Fred Warner, Javon Hargrove, George Kittle, Trent Williams,
Deebo Samuel Christian McCaffrey. Another corner. They just signed this corner.
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And yet the Cowboys, with only two great players, could
not afford Derrick Henry at eight million dollars last year
of the trade deadline. It's Jerry Jones' refusal to admit
he should be nowhere near the general manager role. He
doesn't know what he's doing. It's a bad, uneven roster.
It's not just that Dak is wildly overpaid. They got
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two great players Micah who's good but not Miles Garrett
or TJ. Watt and Ceedee Lamb, who's exceptional Zach Martin.
Dak are good players at this point. I mean, look
at the Philadelphia Eagles and they pay their quarterback the
Niners don't. Jalen Hurtz makes two hundred and fifty five million.
Aj Brown, three of their offensive linemen eat Dallas Goddard,
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Bryce hop Darius slay Saque. But they pay a running
back of fortune and they're fine. They're not having to
move pieces at the trade deadline. They are active usually
at trade deadline. They're active in the offseason. Not the Cowboys,
Kansas City Chiefs. They just added d hop They add
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pieces every year. They pay Patrick Mahorms four hundred and
fifty million dollars, they pay Chris Jones, they pay Joe Tooney,
Creed Humphrey, Travis Kelcey. They're gonna pay twenty six million
DeAndre Hopkins. And by the way, the Chiefs make moves
every year to go get guys, and they're not shopping
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the bargain basement, right. And the Cowboys didn't make a
move of the trade deadline, and they didn't make a
move in the offseason, and they had an okay draft.
So we all know owners aren't equal. The ideal owner
you don't see him much. Maybe once a decade he
has to step in and go, I'm keeping this guy
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or I'm keeping this coach. Once a decade, he does
a new radio hits. You know, he's not front and center.
He doesn't believe he knows more football than a bellachack Er,
a Rabel or a Mike McCarthy. I mean, just look
at the Niners. The Niners are now paying multiple receivers.
They're paying multiple corners, couple linebackers, positions you don't even
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want to pay. They're paying tight ends, running backs, and
they're like, yeah, let's pay another corner. And by the way,
they'll pay their safety Hufumnga in about a year or two.
They'll pay him to Cowboys out of money. There's got
to be a Swiss bank that can make a deal
for Jerry. Here's j Mack with a.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
News This is the headline news.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Yes, spicy matchup between the Steelers and the Ravens this weekend.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Very interesting.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
You know, Deontay Johnson is a former Steeler than he
had a pit stop in Carolina.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Now he's with the Ravens. Uh.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
It sounds like Mike Tomlin is not really concerned about
this new weapon in Baltimore.
Speaker 6 (16:45):
To be honest, which I hadn't thought a lot about it.
He's not on a lot of their video and so
you know, at this stage of the week, I don't
know that I weighed you know what he might mean
to the matchup. They got more significant pieces with larger
rolls that occupy am my attention at this part of
the week.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Best quote in the NFL. He's right, Well he's not wrong, yeah,
Lamar Jackson. Interesting game. I think I like Baltimore, but
I have missed on Pittsburgh all year long. I finally, finally,
in a big game last week, said I'm gonna go
with the Steelers. The Steelers. I will say this, I
admitted I was wrong on the Steelers. I went and
looked at some Russell Wilson numbers this morning. Oh boy,
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that's the three games, right, Well, yeah, that's that's a
pretty good sample size.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Three game.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
You don't think three games you can kind of tell
if a guy's got it or not. I mean Joe Flacco.
Joe Flacco, but the third quarter of his first start,
we both went, it's over. Yeah, he doesn't have it anymore.
Third quarter, first start. I got twelve quarters with Russell.
He's been great in eleven of them.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
My favorite is Jared Goffko. Look at his rookie numbers.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Of Jeff Fisher seven games playable.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
He had an he had the wrong coach, right, So
we're not that's a different comp.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Arthur Smith, How do we know he's the guy? What
did he do with Desmond Ridder in Atlanta?
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Well, Desmond Ridder didn't have NFL franchise County.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
And I don't know. I'm out on that guy.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
But I'll just say this, this line movement's interesting, and
I would tend to agree with you on three. Taking
the Steelers here, this Kyle Hamilton injury. That's not good
on the back end of a defense for the Ravens.
It's already bad. It's already really bad.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Pickens and Mike Williams could eat Boys Steelers.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
I think that's every week I stay away from a game,
I just want to watch. I stayed away from Detroit
in Houston. I just want to watch Steelers Ravens. I
think the numbers right. Three is the number I'm staying away.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
It's always close. Some teams you're really right on. I
nailed the Vikings this offseason. We knew the Vikings were
gonna be good in Las at Washington, Washington.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
I was way wrong on the Steelers.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
I don't think anybody saw this coming outside of people
who wear like, you know, black and gold or black
and yellow to sleep at night.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Weird those Steelers fans, But like, hey, they've been great and.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
We've acknowledged we were. We're not being stubborn about it.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
We're wrong.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
They're a good football team. I mean, this is not
a mirage. I I think they're better than you're giving
credit for. I don't think they're a super Bowl team,
but I think there there's too many data points that
show you they're really, really good and they will last. Okay,
they run it, their defense, their pass rush, they don't
make mistakes, they have a veteran court. There's too many
things they do. Like Washington was a little fools goal.
They've lost the best teams they've played. Pittsburgh has got
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played the Chargers. Now, Herbert wasn't one hundred percent, but
they could not move the ball at all, and they
and what the line on the Ravens game is, it's
a field goal. Again, it Vegas is telling you is
a really good team.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Well, let me ask.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Okay, so Pittsburgh has exceeded all expectations. So let's say
they win one playoff game and then lose to Ravens Bills.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Whoever, what do they do in the offseason.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Do they just run this back and they go, we
got to shot on here and you got to pay
Russell Wilson. Now remember he's he's on the chief because.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
He I think he has one more year.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
You know, Russell Wilson's gonna be like, hey, I delivered.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
We got to play he I think you'd ry with
a Russell this year and next you can draft a quarterback.
But I think I think Justin Fields is a backup,
is an exceptional backup.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
He's gonna want to stay there to be the backup.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
He just proved there's no market for him.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Certainly there is somebody for Justin Fields.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Yeah, Mike Tomlin benched him.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Well for Russell by the way.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
And benched him and the team got significantly better the market.
There'll be no market for Justin Fields.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
I mean, if it is robust, well I'm talking like
Carolina or something, they'll have no market. But if the
Raiders aren't drafting in the top five, the Justin Field
is not the answer. I'm not saying he's the answer.
He's potentially as a short term solution. We know it's
not Minshew or O'Connell, and if they're not drafted high enough.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
There's no way Fields is gonna stay to be it.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
I thought Justin had another shot to start, But what
I saw in his five or six starts and what
I see with what Russell's done with the same exact talent,
we got a new It's like mac Jones, Hey it's Belichick.
Then you watch for Jacksonville one start, Yeah, can't play
like I got new information you and I never hold
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on to old information. I got new starts. I thought C. J.
Stratt would be this. He ended up being that, and
now this year he's pulled back. He's not quite that.
Like it's new information if you get if you're a
pilot and you get a new flight plan because of storms,
you want to fly into the storm or you want
to adhere to the new flight plan.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
New information on Fields this year there so he's not
as bad as he was.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
We watched them in Chicago, but we always said a
lot of that is Chicago, and then Mike Tomlin went, yeah,
it's not Chicago. And then Russell with the same players,
they look like a top six team in the league.
So I'm getting all sorts of new information. Tomlin's like, Nah,
Russell with the same players. Wow, I'm getting bits and
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pieces of new information, all of it landing on the
Justin fields as a backup. That doesn't mean it's a
month and a half ago. I'm like, I think he
could get another shot. I thought it in the offseason.
But when you start getting new information and don't pay
attention to it, you end up being a fan. You
get fired and sit with that. Well.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
I mean, we didn't know if Russell Wilson would be
a starter anywhere.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Remember there was like try Denver moved off.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
And it's like any takers and Russell's looking around.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
It's like crazy.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
And now we have three games and it's been the
three games that have looked the exact same way. No turnovers,
good movement, deep ball. Like all the games have looked
the same.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
I wonder if it'll look a little different against a
better defense. Not that Baltimore is great on the back end,
but their front seven is pretty good.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
That's a good game. It should be fun. Let's go
to the Colts. The Joe Flacco experiment is over.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Reports are the Colts will go back to Anthony Richardson
as the starter, Shane Steiken said, not just for this
week against my Jets.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
For the rest of the season.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
By the way, Russ is on a one year deal.
I was just told was two. It's one.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Stiken admitting he was wrong. Colin, Yeah, that's I said.
I got this wrong, and I'm glad all along. I said,
Andrey richards has ten starts. We have some patience.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Prime example, Shane Steikins says he watched Joe Flacco like
we all did and said he can't do it. But
you don't know, n do you do stuff? You got to.
You gotta take swings. Shane Steiken took a swing and
thankfully he didn't overreact to the Anthony Richardson saying I'm tired.
(23:22):
He didn't like it, but overreacting would be sticking with
Flacco for another four games to punish Anthony Richardson. Anthony's young,
he made a mistake, he learned his lesson. He won't
do it again. But this idea, So wait, you think
this is a punishment for that? Oh? I think it
was part of it.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Yeah, I would say part.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
But Shane Steikeen's not rigid, He's not stubborn. It's like
I'm not gonna punish him for the season. Kids make mistakes.
He's a kid, he barely played in college.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
This is Stikeen's first rodeo as a head coach. He's
learning on the fly.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Richardson certainly gives them a better chance to win long
term than Joe Flacco, who Joe Flacco could retire in
this offseason. It never made sense to go to Flaco.
Richardson against the Jets is interesting. I just grabbed him
in fantasy during the commercial break. I think he could
have a good game on the ground. Jets can't stop
the run.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
So now you got Anthony Richardson and Jonathan.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Taylor getting four points, Culture getting four points.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
I mean, I'm not betting on this this homage game,
but i am go go Colts.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Jets are looking for that high draft pick. Final story
is in the NBA.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Colin oh Man, this was an amazing finish last night
Detroit and Miami. Detroit gets an alley up with one
second left to tie Itt Spolster goes time out.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
They didn't have any technical foul. Detroit wins the game.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Spolstro one are the best coaches in the league, we
would agree.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Here's what he said after the loss, I.
Speaker 7 (24:42):
Just made a just a serious mental air, you know
there at the end. That's on my Uh, that's on me.
I feel horrible about it. You don't want them to
come down to a mental error like that. You just
would have liked to see this go double overtime. That's
that's the kind of game that it felt like it
deserved to go double ot and not have somebody getting
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the way of that.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
And unfortunately, you know, even.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
As a veteran coach, I got in the way of that.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Yeah, he's one about a hundred games there. I can
live with that. But I'm sure the internet is eating today,
crushing one of the smartest guys in the league, because
you know, occasionally aggressive people make mistakes. Who cares held
Chris Weber, you know who cares? It doesn't you know,
it's just he has won them multiple series. Forget games.
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I've watched him as a as a like a seven
and eight seed. I mean, this guy got into the
playoffs a few years ago, like as a as a
deep seed and ended up in the finals. This guy
is one series as a coach.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Some Miami Heat fans, I'm not going to get two
down the rabbit hole. But they're a little upset with
the Miami defense for the first time. Is like in
like a decade is looking awful. They're getting a little old.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Jimmy Butler long in that.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
That is exactly why I'm a ton of talent. No,
they're not real twitchy, they're getting old. It is not
a great defensive roster. I mean, if you watch the
Warriors now, for instance, Dre Staff and kids, well, their
rebounding is great, their effort is great. They're playing tremendous defense.
I mean, like the Warriors defensive Why because they're all young,
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they got energy old rosters. Milwaukee has gone down the
tubes defensively. Now, Brook, Lopez and Giannis can defend the rim.
But they're not a very good defensive team. Why because
they're old. They can't defend the wing. Boston More, Boston
has athletes in their prime, Tatum Brown, Derek White. What
a shock the Celtics defend their perimeter at a high
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level athletes in their prime.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Last night, if you were watching any hoops between Cooper
flag with Duke by the way, the Celtics lost to
the Hawks in a great game this heat. Obviously, Steph
Curry good night of basketball like midweek.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
You know that's a little nice, right. I'm assuming you.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Watch Clay Thompson, Steph Curry, Captain's had on Captain Coward.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
It's got kind of a Hugh Hefner feel to It's
odd hat. Yeah, he liked that. Jmck of the news,
Well that's the news and thanks for stopping by the
herd line. Oh, people getting worked up the college football
second time. The college football twelve team Playoff bracket was
introduced last night. Miami Oregon BYU in Texas. Would have
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you know they get those buys in the first round. Folks.
People are arguing about Georgia SEC. I know they lost,
they should be in the top twelve. They beat BYU.
Georgia's thirteenth. They control their fate. They played Tennessee this weekend.
If they win, they're in, and Tennessee's not. Last year
we were arguing about an undefeated FSU team and a
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one lost Georgia team getting in. I'm not gonna lose
a lot of sleep arguing about the fourth best team
or the fifth best team in the SEC. Best is subjective.
Here's what's not qualifying? Okay, BYU is qualifying I don't
need to see an SEC team play an SEC team
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in the playoff. Again, it's called the regular season. There's
a purpose for it. There's a purpose for seeding in
this twelve team playoff. There is a purpose for the
playoff itself. I don't need to see more old Miss Georgia.
I've seen it. The top four seeds currently lead their
conference and get a bye. That's not subjective. That's called qualifying.
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Saying you know what I could I could drive. I'm
only thirteen, but I could drive that car. That's subjective.
Could you drive it? You're kind of young. Going to
the DMV and getting your license is qualifying. You can
drive a car. You may not drive it well, but
you can drive a car. So like, don't confuse the two.
I don't want to get into arguing if the fifth
best SEC team could beat Boyse State. I want to
see the best running back in the country play today.
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They play Ohio State, I'd watch it. Being Columbus, they
probably wouldn't win, but I'd watch. I'd like to see
the best running back in the country. So all these things,
now with a twelve team playoff, have a purpose. Regular
season got a purpose, Okay, conference championships means something. Seating
has a purpose, as will the playoff, so I don't
have a problem with it. I still think Texas is
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going to end up playing for the national championship. My
guest is they'll play Ohio State, although I think right
now Oregon's the best team, but I think it'll be
very difficult if they have to play. Texas has better
players and Ohio State they already beat. But I don't
I think Oregon is the best team i've seen. Ohio
State and Texas I think have the best players. I
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would be fascinated to watch Alabama in Indiana. I would
take Alabama, but I mean this Indiana coach is something else,
So again, it's got a purpose. I can't wait for it.
Josh McDaniel's going to join us in studio. I got
so many things to ask him. He's coming up.
Speaker 5 (29:40):
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Speaker 1 (29:45):
He began his career as a grad assistant Michigan State
under Nick Saban Bill Belichick. Six trophies there several seasons
NFL head coach Broncos and Raiders. Josh McDaniels is now
joining us. We've never officially met. I think we've you
may have come on before when you were the Raiders coach.
You were coming on the zoom time during COVID, that
kind of stuff. I got so many things to ask him.
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Let's start with this. So we watched these young quarterbacks.
I tended to think I thought Peyton and Boenix was
a good fit. I worried greatly about Caleb in Chicago's history.
If you were just privately talking how many starts, Josh
do you need with a rookie quarterback before you are
driving home and maybe calling an assistant thinking I'm not
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sure we got him, or he'll be fine, we got him.
Speaker 8 (30:32):
I think you need to give a time. I think
there's no question, you know, a few games here or
there is not going to tell you all the things
you need to know about whether or not he's going
to be able to do all the things he needs
to do to win at this level.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (30:46):
I mean, Jimmy was not going to be ready right
off the bat. Three years in in twenty sixteen, you know,
he had to start in Tom's absence, and he was
able to do that. He learned and developed and was
much more ready to do that.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
Then.
Speaker 8 (31:02):
I think they're all different now honestly, they're all coming
from different backgrounds, some different systems than others.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (31:09):
And then I think it really what matters most is
that marriage of the quarterback. What he's learned, what he's
good at, where is he going, what type of system
are they going to implement implement there with him, and
whether they're willing to adapt to his skill set and
what he does well? You know that. I think you're
seeing some of that now with Jaden with yeah, definitely,
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and and they're doing things that he's good at, you know.
And I think what Cliff's probably you know, doing now
is is what else can we add to his bucket?
You know, he he does these things well. Now we
want to keep develop him, you know, evolve him as
he goes throughout you know, his his career here and
and see what else we can add to him.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Do you worry about Caleb Williams Accuracy? Inconsistency? Are there
things you can't clean up?
Speaker 8 (31:59):
I think you can. You can always make things better.
And I haven't seen everything that Caleb has done. Certainly,
Caleb was you know, very well regarded coming out of
USC and had a great career there, and I think
all all these young quarterbacks come out and they find
life in the NFL is a little different. The windows
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are tighter, yeah, the coverages are different. The looks, the
disguises force you to hold the ball and have to
do different things with it. And so I think, you know,
give them time. You know, you know they're going to
make some mistakes, they're going to learn. And again, I
know they just made a shift or a change there,
and we'll see if that changes some of the success
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that he's having.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
You know, it's I've said this over the last month,
the Chiefs have become the Patriots. I'm not sure they
have the best roster, but I'm sure they have the
best head coach, best quarterback and one of the best
coordinators on either side. That was you. I'm also sure situationally,
they are smarter than you are. That's what you guys
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were for twenty years. You'd bring out that Edelman pass
against the raveng and You're like, how did they not
use that six weeks ago? That's a beauty, that's a gem,
and you had to hide it what it was? It
just you and Brady and Bill, is it just people
the Chiefs have become, you guys, they're not always the
best team, but they literally played their best football goal
line stand late third down. Ye, what is it?
Speaker 8 (33:25):
What's the lot of field goal?
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Yeah, they could have done that in the first quarter. Yeah,
they hid that puppy until the last play of the game. Yeah.
Speaker 8 (33:33):
I think they care about winning. I think they I
think they have a lot of guys that are selfless there.
And Andy, you know, he's obviously been doing this for
a long time and he's got that entire culture, you know,
buying into winnings the only thing that's really important at
the end of the day. And you saw it with
Kelsey early in the year. Wasn't catching a lot of passes.
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But you didn't hear about any bickering or complaining or
anything like that, because I think they've really figured it out.
You know, what's most important is how do we play
as a team against this opponent this week and be victorious.
And so I think Pat's matured. He understands what he
needs to do each week. Some weeks it's throw forty
six times for three hundred and fifty yards. Other weeks
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that's throw for one hundred and fifty yards and one touchdown.
You know, but Patrick's kind of put his ego aside,
not that he ever had one like that, but he
knows that I have to play a certain way to
give our team the best chance to win. I thought
Tom did that for years and years in New England.
And it's just gonna be hard to beat them. You know,
you're gonna have to play your a game. You're going
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to have to be really good situationally, really, you know,
really good situationally, and you're gonna have to, you know,
fight tooth and nail to out coach them, you know,
which is very difficult for anybody to do.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Owners are all billionaires now, Robert Kraft, like Jerry Jones
when they bought the Patriots, I mean, they were bailing water.
Do you just make rent right there? Now? They're all
billionaires firing a staff as a rounding air, moving off
coaches David Tepper and Carolina five six games in Robert Salacia.
It feels like owner's wealth has created more of an
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impulsive feel and that staffs are feeling it. Staffs are
tougher staffs. Did you never felt that in New England?
But you probably felt it with the Raiders. Do you
think it's affecting coaching in this league? You're forced to
be impatient because they're impatient.
Speaker 8 (35:32):
I think you definitely have an urgency that you feel
now in the league. I don't know you're right about
the New England situation. I never felt that I felt
urgency to do my best. I think we all did
to try to win. But I think you're seeing that
more and more that there's a very short shelf life
on opportunity and the urgency to do well and show
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that you know exactly how to improve and make progress.
It's evident. You know, it's evident across the league, and
whether it's quarterback changes, coaching changes, coordinator changes, that's certainly
part of our game.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Now.
Speaker 8 (36:07):
We all have to accept that we all understand the
life that we live, and you know, I hope it
doesn't affect decision making and things that you think are
the right things to do for the organization. But I
certainly I know there's a premium on winning quickly, that's
for sure.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
I always defended when you and Tom would have the
once a season blow up on the sidelines. My take is,
I mean, really, three and a half hours it's on television.
I'm on television. There are public jobs. It's not always pretty.
You're doing stuff live. I can't hide in an accountant's
office during the week, though. With you and Tom, when
would you present the game plan? Was it a give
(36:44):
and take, a back and forth or would you present
the install on Tuesday? Wednesday? Tom goes along with it?
Did Tom push back a lot on installs?
Speaker 8 (36:52):
I think the more Tom played, the more success he had,
the more he understood what he likes and what he
didn't like. It certainly became a huge back and forth
for us. I mean, I have emails that are pages
and pages long of things that he liked and things
that he didn't like, you know, And that's I think
(37:13):
that's what you have to do nowadays, is when you
know the quarterback has has thoughts and opinions and ideas
of what he feels good about. Yeah, you certainly have
to take all that in and then try to figure
out exactly what's the right blend of things that fit
that week against that team. And Tommy was not shy
about giving input on those kind of things, and he
(37:35):
earned it, earned every bit of it, and so we
usually would be emailing on Monday, Tuesday, and then obviously
we practice Wednesday, Thursday, Friday and try to nail it down.
But we were emailing on Friday night and Saturday morning
as well to try to finalize the game plan. And
I just think that, you know, when you have a
guy like him, Pat Mahomes, Alan Lamar, you know, these
(37:57):
guys that have certainly had a tremendous amount of Indo
Vigil success team success, they've earned the right to give
you their input, and you need to take that input
in and try to figure out how to utilize it
the best way.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
Bill had admiration and great respect for you, brought you back.
Obviously you had great success together. How often on the
headset would Bill say, Josh, you're not doing that reverse here? Josh,
we're running the football? Or did he give you carte blanche.
Speaker 8 (38:24):
He was really good about letting you kind of get
into the rhythm and flow of the game. He may say, hey,
can you stick a run in here? I want to
get it down to the two minute warning something like
that situation. Or he would say, hey, you got four
downs here to get the first down. You know it's
third and three and you know at a thirty seven. Hey,
you got two downs, go ahead and try to do
(38:44):
whatever you want to do here. But he definitely did
a great job of just guiding us. You know, he
didn't overdo it on the headset. It's hard to do that,
you know, when you got a guy in a rhythm,
he's calling plays, he's trying to set things up, it's
hard to really interject too much. And I thought Bill
was great at that.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Did he ever say after a game you were great?
Speaker 8 (39:04):
I don't know if he ever said that. He might
have patted me on the back once or twice, but
you knew when you knew when you did a good job.
He definitely let you know that in certain ways, might
not have been the way somebody else did it, but
he did.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
Okay, you felt respected. I did. I did.
Speaker 8 (39:19):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
I'd love to have you back anytime you're around families
in town. I know your dad, you said, occasionally watches
the show and he must be bored out of his mind.
He I appreciate that, Hi dad, Josh McDaniels, please come again.
Thank you all right, appreciate it. Coming up next, Joel
Klack College Football, Mark Sanchez two hour two and the
(39:41):
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