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January 24, 2025 42 mins

Colin reacts to the Raiders hiring Pete Carroll to be their next head coach and explains why he loves this fit for Las Vegas

The Cowboys are taking too long to find a new head coach

The refs are not rigging games to help the Chiefs

 

Guest: Jordan Schultz

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
All right, here we go, we have breaking news. It
is a Friday in Los Angeles. It's The Herd. Wherever
you may be and however you may be listening. Jmack
the Silver and Black Gun a little more silver. Pete
Carroll is the new coach of the Seattle Seahawks. Ageism

(00:47):
had a rough day today. And by the way, that
division now is incredible. Harball, Peyton, Nanny Reid, and Pete Carroll.

Speaker 3 (00:55):
Yeah, they're calling it the AARP division because every coach
as old as hell I like it.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
Get me srong. By the way, Liam Cohnan, Jacksonville, Pete Carroll,
They're gonna gobble up assistance and coordinators. I'll get to
the Cowboys in a second. Every day you wait to
hire a coach, you're losing out on the best assistance.
So just think about that there's a finite number of

(01:22):
elite NFL assistants, make decisions, make them quickly. And the
Raiders have chosen Pete Carroll. He's an adult in the
organization needs one. I like the choice. I said this.
I had no problem if he went to Chicago. I
thought he was a good fit there. I think he
would have been a good fit in Dallas. I think
he's an excellent fit with the Raiders. They need stability,

(01:44):
they need culture, and Pete provides that. And in a
division where you have to face Andy Reid twice, Jim
Harbaugh twice, Sean Payton twice, pretty good bet that a
coordinator who's never been a head coach just won't do.
EAT's history is he is good with young quarterbacks. He
was good with young Russell Wilson. He was good with

(02:06):
young ger Drew Bledsoe. He was tremendous with a young
Mark Sanchez or a young Carson Palmer. So this is
a coach. The Raiders are a total rebuild. They don't
have a staff, they don't have a front office, they
don't have a quarterback. They have Max Crosby in a
couple of weapons. So this is lay in concrete forget

(02:26):
about the master bathroom and a great kitchen. This is
laying concrete. This is foundation up. I think Pete Carroll
has proven. I've talked to players throughout the years and
coaches that know Pete one of the most organized coaches
in the league. When the Patriots face the Seahawks in
that Super Bowl, it was a chess match, and Belichick

(02:48):
later said that he likes facing older, experienced coaches. It
was a chess match. Belichick won that chess match, but
it went down to actually that interception the final couple plays,
and I think Pete is is I mean, here's the
thing with Pete. There are things like retaining kind of
average coaches too long that I'd criticize him for, or

(03:08):
maybe not in Seattle, sensing the urgenency at quarterback when
you're in a division with McVeigh and Kyle Shanahan. And
you know, we can nitpick all these coaches, but you know,
is this somebody that took a Seattle franchise that was
just swimming in mediocrity, took a usc program swimming in mediocrity,
even a job that didn't work for him New England.

(03:29):
It's not like they'd fell off a Cliff. I mean
they replaced Bill Parcells. They got you know, one win
lass one win last one win less. So I like
Pete for the job. I don't think I don't think
age is a factor with him. I think he's the
best available coach on the market. This is an organization
that needed a grown up, needs stability, and needs culture.
And as we look for our TV audience, these jobs

(03:51):
are getting Phil Bear's Ben Johnson. He's working on filling
a staff. The Jaguars, Liam Cohen, the Jets, Aaron Glenn,
Mike Rabel, p Carol. Only the Cowboys and the Saints
don't have a coach. And that's why I want to
segue to what's happening in Dallas. This is amazing. Apparently
Jerry Jones the Brian Schottenheimer move, according to a report

(04:14):
this morning. Yeah, that's a that wasn't Jerry's idea, that
was floated by his sons. As sons really like the idea,
and Jerry's not down with it. He's more down with
Dion Sanders. That's probably not going to happen too. There
are some things in your life you can take time with,
like let's say, buying solar panels, for your house. You

(04:35):
went thirty one years without it, you can put it
off until next week, or maybe marriage. If you're a
young lad, you're thirty one, thirty two. It's a big decision,
a lot of fish in the sea. Take your time
on that one. And then there are a couple of
other things you have to act urgently, Like let's say
you cut off your arm with a table saw. You
might want to get to the er quickly, or hiring

(04:57):
a head coach. Remember, in every industry in America, there
is a finite number of elite, and it's I don't
care if it's realtors, politicians, or football coaches. It is
about ten percent. Right now, we got about six great coaches,
and six great quarterbacks, and six great coordinators, and six
great owners, even the billionaires, about five or six in

(05:19):
the league that are really truly non meddling an elite.
So here are the Cowboys, Pete Carroll working on a staff.
Vrabels got his filled out, Aaron Glenn, Liam Cohen. These
guys are filling out their staffs. So Dallas is now
going to get the third and fourth choice on o
line coaches. And there are not many on line coaches

(05:40):
in the league that you even know the name to,
because at one point Jimmy Johnson told me at any
one time, the NFL's got four great offensive line coaches.
And there's a reason you know the names are the
best offensive line coaches in college because there's so few
of them, and they're all getting they're either now all
employed or gonna get employed by Aaron Glenn Pete Carroll,

(06:01):
Liam Cohen in the next week. So this needs urgency.
And the Cowboys have only interviewed three people in person.
And remember Roberts Craft, owner of the Patriots, has six rings. Recently,
how did they fire drawd Mayo? The season was over

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and before Mayo got to the locker room, man a
press release. We're moving on. By the next day they
contacted Mike Rabel. They put their name in the running
for Mike Rabel. Think of the Cowboys. I looked this
up this morning. So January fifth, the Cowboys played their
last game on January fifth. The next day was my birthday,

(06:46):
should be a national holiday. But January fifth they played
their last game. It took them eight days to figure
out McCarthy's not staying. It has been eleven days since then,
and they're like, hey, what do you guys think of
Pete Carroll? I just got hired in Las Vegas. All right,

(07:08):
let's cross him off the list. Oh boy. In my
entire life, every year there's seven or eight coaches that
get fired, and there's always one great candidate. Last year
it was Harbaugh, this year it was Rabel, and then
there's always like two or three really good candidates, Pete Carroll,
Ben Johnson and those guys like Ben Johnson. There's always

(07:29):
one or two hot shot coordinators. One will flourish, one
won't work. So one of the things about like Mike
McCarthy and if I'm the Saints, now I go hire
Mike McCarthy because you know he'll be somewhat successful and
Mike Rabel may not win a trophy, but he'll be
somewhat successful. And you know, Pete Carroll will be somewhat

(07:51):
successful with the hot shot whiz kids the coordinators. And
Ben Johnson's a very good coach. It's Chicago.

Speaker 4 (07:58):
Would you be.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
Shocked in five years we're moving on to another Johnson.
I mean, that's just the way it works in Chicago.
But Jerry Jones is gonna do what he did with
Dak Prescott. He's gonna make you think he's playing poker.
He's not showing his hand, and then you end up
paying about forty percent more than you should. And I
mean this morning. You know who should be excited this morning,

(08:22):
Robert Sala. Robert Sala's just sitting back there. All the
good candidates are getting hired. Robert Sala has unbelievable leverage
this morning, unbelievable leverage. You gave dak unbelievable leverage. I mean,
Sala's sitting there like now. Sla is the number one
candidate with Mike McCarthy. So oh oh, just just an

(08:45):
added note. The Eagles this weekend will play in their
eighth conference championship in twenty five years. Cowboys have been
a nun. By the way, this is Michael Irvin yesterday
on Speak for your Elf reacting to Brian Schottenneimer potentially
being the Cowboys coach.

Speaker 5 (09:04):
Is he the right coach for the Cowboys?

Speaker 4 (09:06):
No, no, not at all, honestly, honestly, right now, this
is the Cowboys. You need the right coach on the
football field to bring the best out of the team.
But they do believe at the point in the juncture
that the Cowboys are. Now you also need the right
coach to raise the morale. I'm a you know, tried
and true Cowboy fan.

Speaker 6 (09:27):
MA morale is down.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
I know their morale is down.

Speaker 4 (09:31):
So you know, hopefully they're making the decisions understanding all
sides of it. Yeah, we need the right coach. We
need the right coach for everybody on the football field
and off the football field.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
Now just think about this. Let's say you give it
to Brian Schottenheimer. That's a lower end coach who will
now have a lower end staff because Pete Carroll is
gonna gobble up a lot of the remaining solid coach.
And if I was Pete Carroll this morning, I'm hiring

(10:03):
Robert Sala in five minutes to run my defense. If
the Niners don't hire him first, my first call, Pete Carroll.
Get Robert Sala off the market, get him to Vegas.
Now Sala may have options like the Cowboy job, but
now the Cowboys are going to get a second tier
head coach and a third tier staff. Brian Schottenneimer is

(10:25):
considered a weak higher meaning if he would have been
hired a month ago, you would have struggled to build
a great staff coaches know who can coach like Pete
Carroll should be able to build pretty good staff. Vega's
easy place to get people. When you get Ben Johnson
in Chicago is considered a hot coach. Caleb William they'll
build a nice staff in Chicago. Mike Frable New England.

(10:47):
Vrabel's good, he'll build a better than average staff. Gerrod
Mayo did not build a great staff in New England
because in the coaching community people were like, I don't
know if it's going to work. Year later didn't. So
now the Cowboys are going to have a second tier coach,
maybe a third tier, and the staff could be a
mess because Lean Comb, who got the Jags job again
considered very young and very sharp. He's gonna my guess

(11:10):
is he and Pete Cohen's gonna gobble up the best
offensive staff over the next thirty six hours. And Aaron
Glenn and Pete Carroll are gonna gobble up all the
great defensive guys they know in the league. And what
does that leave the Cowboys? That's crazy. What's going on
in Dallas or what's not going on? January fifth season
ended eight days later. McCarthy left eleven days since then,

(11:33):
three live interviews, and the story was they they were
interested in Pete, Well he just signed in Vegas. Wow,
so j Mack blazing three. I got a couple of
picks and and and over under bet in one hour

(11:54):
from now. Jordan Schultz gonna be joining me in twenty
five minutes on some of this coaching stuff is a lot,
a lot of movement. I think Pete Carroll's a good spot.

Speaker 6 (12:04):
Yeah, who's his quarterback?

Speaker 5 (12:06):
Again?

Speaker 1 (12:07):
They're gonna draft one, so good news is they have
a top or are they picking six seven? Something like that?

Speaker 3 (12:12):
They're gonna miss out on the two stars cam Ward
and Shador.

Speaker 6 (12:17):
Let me float this to you.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
What if this is from a friend, I gotta give
him credit. You know how Mayo was kind of a
stop gap and then they got Rabel in New England.
What if Schottenheimer's a stopgap for someone else in a
year that they just can't get Now, Dion Belichick, do
you think Schottenheimer would be hired as a stopgap?

Speaker 1 (12:35):
Hate, Well, there's no question unless they get Sola, who
I think is pretty good candidate. Let's say at Schottenheimer,
that's a four or five win team, So you get
a great draft pick in a strong quarterback lay.

Speaker 3 (12:45):
You just kind of punked on the season. I know
that no organization thinks like that, but hey, we just
need to get.

Speaker 6 (12:50):
A guy in the building, stabilize things.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
We realize the market's gonna be better next year for
a coach.

Speaker 6 (12:55):
We bungled it this year. I'm sure Jerry would admit.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
That, right. Yeah, Well, I think Dallas is a has been.
They've been in quicksand for the last several years. So
they're just slightly above average. So you get you know,
you don't get a great draft pick, you don't get
a terrible one, but you know you're kind of making
the playoffs, so you're down around eighteen twenty, you know,
and it's like it's hard, especially in a week draft.
This year, Dallas, Dallas needs to make some moves. I'll

(13:19):
say it again, I'd consider moving Micah Parsons getting the
second number one, building that roster up because I don't
think you're gonna get a great coach, I mean, overpaid
quarterback even if your restructure's deal, and a subpar coach
and a week staff in a division withoud now emerging
superstar Jaden Daniels and the stacked Eagles.

Speaker 3 (13:39):
And the Giants are not gonna stay down long. There's
a potential for them to come out. I know you're
not interested in the Giants, but they're not gonna stay
down forever, right right, Cowboys might be last place in
that division.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
That's if I picked today, that's where I pick them.
I'd pick them last.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
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Speaker 1 (14:02):
Oh so this weekend you have Commanders and Eagles. Get
to that in about fifteen minutes. Also, you have Bill's
Chiefs and Jay Mack has been saying this, this is
kind of a running theme on this show since week six,
is that Kansas City's getting favorable calls from the officials,
never using the word rig but tiptoeing around it. So

(14:24):
I thought i'd add some context today. If you look
at the Chiefs playoff penalties in twenty twenty one, yes,
it is very very clear the Chiefs have had only
three hundred and nineteen penalty yards opponents five hundred and
forty one in playoff penalties in the last four years.
That is something I wanted to throw this out. The

(14:44):
second New England Patriots dynasty with another great coach. Interesting,
the New England Patriots ranked third fewest penalties per game
at third fewest penalty yards in that span, including the Plauffs.
Like the Chiefs, It's all almost if the best coach
team in the league had fewer penalties. I'd like to
add this if I may, did you know the fewest

(15:07):
penalties by any team this year? The best young coach
Sean McVay and the Rams, so Andy Reid, Belichick and
Sean McVay Looney coincidence, Arguably the three best coaches have
the fewest penalties. Penalies are negative plays. Good coaches avoid them,

(15:33):
just like good quarterbacks Holmes Josh Allen don't throw as
many picks Justin Herbert had a bad playoff game, but
threw almost none during the regular season. And great coaches
also separate themselves in many forms, schemes, game plans, situational excellence,

(15:53):
developing young players, avoiding penalties and mistakes. By the way,
the most penalized team this year, the Jets. The least
penalized team this year the Rams one had an interim coach,
one had the best young coach. So in fact, since
Sean McVeigh has joined the NFL as a head coach,

(16:16):
the Rams are the least penalized team. That's because it's
a big market. Okay, whatever, I give up, so I
know you conspiracy theorists are tiptoeing around rig The Chiefs
are really good and really well coached. And oh, by
the way, there were two teams in the league this
year that had just one delay of game penalty, Andy

(16:42):
Reid's team and Sean mcvay's team. Both the Giants and
the Jets had ten pluths. So again, Julian Edelman also
brought up this point. It's Patrick Mahomes. He's the face
of the league. They do want to protect faces of
the league. Maybe it's subconscious. Here's Edelman this week.

Speaker 7 (17:05):
I remember being on the other side seeing a late
hit on Brady or a roughing the passer on Brady,
where I'm like, eh, probably wasn't there, but it's Tom Brady.
He was already had five Super Bowls. You guys got
to understand the situation.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
Years ago, when Michael Jordan was in his prime and
dominating the league. Michael absolutely, and I can say this
about Magic Johnson overwhelmingly got the favorable whistle. They were intimidating,
they were assets. It didn't come from the league office.
It was kind of like knowing the temperature of the

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room and when when it's a go either way play
on Mahomes on a helmet hit and you don't get
a review it or challenge it, and the league has
told you on quarterback hits upstairs win in doubt, call it.
That's not my opinion that as we showed you Monday,
that's in the rule book. When in doubt quarterback hits

(18:05):
ruffing the passer, call it tie. In baseball goes to
the runner. In football goes to the penalty flagon, quarterback
rubbing the passer. J Mack with the news.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
No, no, this is the herd line news.

Speaker 6 (18:21):
I gotta say, my friend, listen, this.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
Is why this still works.

Speaker 6 (18:25):
I put off a fiery hot take. People get worked up.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
A couple of days later, you bring some some reason
and some sense to the discussion. That was that was
some of your best stuff this NFL postseason. I gotta
be honest.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
I don't know if it was one of the producers
or you, but that was I was just writing notes
down driving to work.

Speaker 6 (18:42):
You're good. I don't have a counter to that. I
was ill prepared. Uh so we'll go to Jaydon Daniels.

Speaker 3 (18:46):
Let's start with the incredible rookie who has been just
absolutely phenomenal, crazy shooting to become the first rookie to
starting quarterback to make the Super Bowl. One of the
most notable traits has been his late game for performance
is leading dan Quinn to hand him this nickname.

Speaker 8 (19:04):
He's got rare in the moment skills that have allowed
us to be into this spot when it's you know,
like mental chaos going down in two minutes, in these
type moments where it could feel that tight, He's got
the experience of somebody that's played a lot more football
than a first year player on the sideline, Like, you know,
he is the terminator, Like there's not a lot of

(19:25):
stuff that's going to go on externally.

Speaker 5 (19:27):
He can really stay in it.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
Maybe the greatest nickname in the NFL, Jaden Daniels the Terminator.
That's a great nickname, and that's what he is in crisis.
Isn't it remarkable when you look at his passer rating
the fourth quarter in overtime was better than Mahomes and Allen. Yeah,
and those guys have better weapons, So you would think,
like Josh Allen's got a couple backs, a couple tight ad.

(19:50):
You would think an experienced quarterback with better weapons just default,
you just get the ball off. You know, you've seen
a zillion snaps. I mean, look at this fourth year.

Speaker 3 (20:01):
That's pretty impressive for a rookie. And again, I was
dubious on this team. You did show me the light
in August.

Speaker 6 (20:06):
I believe. Remember I was a guy saying a new owner,
new OC, you didn't like, oh coach, new quarterback.

Speaker 3 (20:12):
And Jayden Daniels has just been He's exceeded all expectations.
I still in my head, I cannot picture him winning
this game in Philly.

Speaker 6 (20:21):
Can can you envision this?

Speaker 9 (20:22):
No?

Speaker 1 (20:22):
I think multiple road games, they're dinged up on the
O line. I feel like it's just been a wonderful year.
But it's now a better story than a team. I
did think Detroit, off of by all the pressure in
the world, was vulnerable. That's why I remember that was
the one game I would not bet. I said, I'm

(20:43):
not touching the Lions commanders. Philadelphia's not vulnerable. Philadelphia's healthy,
loaded at home. Their strength running the ball. It's arguably
Washington's weakness defending the run. If this one got ugly,
wouldn't be shocked. I have a feeling this could get
a little ugly.

Speaker 6 (21:03):
Oh interesting, Okay. Now the next story is a little controversial. Colin.

Speaker 3 (21:07):
Liam Cohen with the offensive cordator of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers,
and in a stunning turn of events, he is now
going to be the Jaguars head coach.

Speaker 6 (21:15):
And I say stunning turn of events because he interviewed.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
For the Jacks job.

Speaker 3 (21:19):
They liked him, then he pulled his name out of consideration,
allegedly because of Trent Bulky. The GM was still in Jacksonville,
so they decide, oh, Bulky's the impediment.

Speaker 6 (21:30):
Let's just get rid of Bulky.

Speaker 3 (21:32):
And they went to come back to Cohen, but he
had verbally agreed to a new deal with Tampa Colin
making him the highest paid offensive coordinator in the league.
But when Jacksonville came back. Can you fault Cohen for
going back to Jacksonville?

Speaker 1 (21:46):
I can't. It's just a better job. This guy's never
done a head coach. You're going to in the seven million,
eight million dollar you get to run your own show.
I don't blame him. Yeah, oh, use an excuse. He
said one of his kids was sick. Whatever.

Speaker 3 (22:00):
It didn't love that part, but whatever, you know, you
gotta do what you gotta do.

Speaker 6 (22:03):
This guy's been working fifteen years in the.

Speaker 3 (22:05):
Salt mines, grinding as a coach from college to NFL,
and he gets an opportunity to coach Trevor Lawrence.

Speaker 6 (22:12):
Are you kidding me?

Speaker 3 (22:13):
And I know people are down on Lawrence, but coming
out in the draft, Colin, you said.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
Your first job as an NFL coach, you normally don't
get somebody as talented as Trevor Lawrence as your quarterback.

Speaker 10 (22:24):
You get like a raider situation. Yeah, you get the
same job. You know, like we don't know what's going on.
You can be fired in two years. Trevor Lawrence gives
you a real good chance. And I know everybody's down
on Lawrence, but.

Speaker 6 (22:35):
Just comes down to injuries. He was Remember two years
ago they were eight and three.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
Yes, they were dominating, all.

Speaker 3 (22:39):
Right, final story call it is The NBA Lakers pulled
off an impressive blowout of the Celtics last night. Came
with some controversy afterwards. Anthony Davis, Hey, you know what,
I'm at my best when.

Speaker 5 (22:49):
I'm a four, not a five.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
Heard that we need a center, Colin what now? First
of all, let's be fair. Now, the Celtics were playing
their fifth game and seven nights, including a couple overtime games.
They Jason Tatum looked gassed.

Speaker 6 (23:02):
In the first time was back to back with the clips.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
Yeah it was Boston looks spent. Boston's now gonna go home,
get some rest. So this was the perfect Lakers were
hitting threes. The Celtics, who usually do could not, so
it was a classic example of a team without its legs.
Lakers got a bunch of open looks. Didn't matter if
it was Dalton, Connect Austin rivers. They hit their three
Austin Reeves. Sorry they listen, that was just one of those.

(23:26):
One team was spent and one team felt fresh. But
I don't think Anthony Davis is wrong. I do think
the Lakers could use another big.

Speaker 3 (23:33):
How can you play two bigs in this era? I
don't understand that what everybody's shooting threes, you have like
two big.

Speaker 1 (23:40):
Denver won a title, they were big. Boston won a
title when they got bigger.

Speaker 6 (23:43):
How many years ago was the Denver title?

Speaker 3 (23:45):
Two?

Speaker 1 (23:45):
Three, three? And by the way, Dallas at the trade
deadline last year got.

Speaker 3 (23:49):
Big did but they alternate bigs. It's Gafford or Lively,
not both at the same time. They got a stretch
four in PJ.

Speaker 6 (23:54):
Washington. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
Again, Lakers fifth in the West. I hope Charles Barkley
is okay with that. Again, Lakers are tracked.

Speaker 6 (24:01):
They're not going anywhere. Fifth in the West. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
They're fine. They're an incomplete team.

Speaker 6 (24:06):
They're fine, aren't we all incomplete?

Speaker 1 (24:09):
Some more than others. After that contextualization of Kansas City,
I feel pretty complete. Jmack with the news.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
So I thought this was interesting. This headline is interesting
to me. What's wrong with Jalen Hurts? And he's the
quarterback who's banged up a little bit, He's always banged up.
What's wrong with Jalen Hurts? There's nothing wrong. This is
who he is. This year or his Super Bowl year,

(24:47):
his two best teams. He's never thrown for more than
twenty three touchdown passes. Daniel Jones through for twenty four
as a rookie. He's now a backup leadership love Jalen, intangibles,
love jail mobility, love Jalen push push amazing from the pocket.
He is absolutely average. He is a player where his

(25:08):
success is predicated on help from others, others being the
offensive line or Saquon Barkley. They keep adding great weapons.
His numbers don't really change. They don't really change, So
the tush push is really more about the O line
than it is Jalen hurts. Although I know he squat

(25:29):
six hundred pounds. It helps, But Lamar Jackson runs two.
But when they added Derrick Henry, it's still Lamar Jackson
who's getting the MVP votes. When they added Saquon Barkley
to this offense, it is now Saquon Barkley's offense. He
has over his career in Philly had an offensive line

(25:49):
ranked number one, number one, number one, and number four.
Joe Burrow got to a Super Bowl with a bottom
offensive line. That's the difference. So now people will say
to them, so well, hold on, Colin, hold on, America's
honesty broker. He has rushed for fifty five touchdowns since

(26:09):
he's been in the league. Yes, and forty are three
yards or less. That's an O line stat, not a
quarterback stat. This isn't Lamar Jackson running from seventeen yards
out or Josh Allen running from twenty four yards out.
This is three yards out and the big uglies upfront

(26:32):
push their way in. So there is nothing wrong with
Jalen Hurts. He is a little small. He is not
great from the pocket. Not a top twelve quarterback from
the pocket, middle of the packer, lower from the pocket.
Greg Cosel said this over and over. Excellent leader, not
much of an ego, reserved, smart, resilient, chechcheck check check check,

(26:53):
check check. But people are looking for something different, Well, well,
what is wrong? There's nothing wrong. They keep adding great
weapons and he still kind of gives you the same numbers,
very solid numbers. I like him a lot, but this
idea that he's hey, he's hitting about sixty eight percent
of what he is now, this is what he is.

(27:14):
We got multiple years. If the Eagles own line was
as bad as Burrows, I'm not sure he's a starter
in the league. I'm pretty sure he's not. Success is
predicated on others. That's very much Dak Prescott, though I
think he's more talented than Dak Prescott. Here's the Commander's
defensive coordinator, Joe Witt on how they're going to defend

(27:36):
Jalen Hurts.

Speaker 11 (27:37):
The one thing is is if he's going to run
the ball, and if the coordinator makes a decision for
him to run the ball, we're gonna treat him like
a running backer and we're going to hit him that way.

Speaker 3 (27:46):
You know.

Speaker 11 (27:47):
So that's that's their decision if they want to get
him hit the way that that he gets hit. If
they don't, they'll keep me in the pocket. So that's
what we're going to do.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
Teams that play Philadelphia would rather Jalen sit in the pocket.
Nobody wants, you know, that's not really the way. The
great ones are great from the pocket. The good ones
can be good from the pocket, but need the elevation
from others. Jordan Schultz coaching stuff. Pete Carroll New Raiders Boss.

(28:17):
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Speaker 1 (29:42):
Jordan Schultz is joining us in studio. Let's start. You've
got a lot of information on this stuff. What led
to the Raiders? What a division of coaches?

Speaker 10 (29:52):
Now?

Speaker 1 (29:53):
What led to adding a little silver to the silver
and black? Seventy three year old Pete Carroll?

Speaker 12 (29:58):
To understand the peak care call higher, you have to
understand the history of both Tom Brady and Rob Spy
Tech and Tampa Bay. Remember when the Bucks won the
Super Bowl? Who did they coax out a retirement a
mid sixties Bruce Arians not dissimilar.

Speaker 5 (30:14):
Necessarily to Pete Carroll.

Speaker 12 (30:16):
High energy connects to players and they win the Super Bowl.
And now you fast forward several years and yes, Pete
Carroll is old, but Pete Carroll's superpower is connecting and
relating to players. And when you think about that division,
Andy Reid, Jim Harbaugh, Sean Payton, Tom Brady, Rob Spytech,

(30:36):
they realized they needed an adult in the room.

Speaker 10 (30:38):
Now.

Speaker 5 (30:39):
Ben Johnson was the exception.

Speaker 12 (30:40):
They looked at Ben Johnson like he's a superstar, He's
a number one draft pick. But once that became really unrealistic.
And I told you last week, I never really bought
into Ben Johnson going to the Raiders. I always thought
the Bears was the number one opportunity for him and
that he wanted that job. When that became unrealistic, they
moved to Pete Carroll and pursue him wholeheartedly. And I've

(31:01):
talked to Michael Bennett, Marshawn Lynch, Richard Shermon, Bobby Wagner,
and they all say that there is no coach quite
like Pete Carroll in terms of the connectivity to players,
establishing a culture. And I can't think of a franchise
more in need of that than Silver and Black.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
Yeah, I think we both admit they needed an adult,
and Pete Carroll is an adult. Yes, he was willing
to go back to college for an elite johnts.

Speaker 5 (31:23):
He's a coach.

Speaker 12 (31:24):
Coaches coach, That's what he wanted to do. And that's
where we're at.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
Okay, I want to talk about the Bears and Ben Johnson.
My concern is he has no real relationship with Ryan Poles.
I don't know if Ryan Poles is the guy. It's
been a political organization just in this league. When the
coach and the GM don't connect. Snyder and Pete Carroll
Lait didn't really connect, the coach is usually in trouble.

(31:49):
Ben has the power here in this dynamic. What do
you make of that GM coach thing.

Speaker 12 (31:54):
You mentioned Pete Carroll and Schneyder. Pete wanted to stay
in Seattle, he was pushed out. It's really important to
have alignment and the Bears. You mentioned Ryan Poles also,
it was really Kevin Warren driving the bus, the president
of the organization. But Ben Johnson is someone that can
give you innovation. Ben Johnson is someone that's going to

(32:15):
take his playbook and say no, no, no, Caleb. I
will adapt to you. A lot of coaches, especially ones
who've had the early success, like a Ben Johnson known
as a Gurua wonder kid, they will go to a
young quarterback and say, you listen to me, this is
my playbook. You will learn everything I want you to learn.
They'll have cohesion and it's been made very clear to

(32:35):
me that Ben Johnson is going to have the opportunity
very early on to establish the type of trust with
Kayleb Williams, who, by the way, advocated publicly for Ben Johnson,
and they will have the cohesiveness that he never had
with a Shane Waldron, let alone a Matt Eberfluch. That
was a big part of the hire. And I think
Chicago also sold Ben Johnson on. Yes, this division is

(32:56):
really tough, but nobody has ever been able to take
the Bears to the Promised Land since Mike Dicka.

Speaker 5 (33:02):
Imagine what you.

Speaker 12 (33:03):
Can do for the city of Chicago in this region
if you take the Bears to the Promised Land and
they believe he will.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
Dallas Cowboys, not only are they going to settle probably
for a second a third tier coach, but everybody's gobbling
up the best coordinators and assistance. Where are they at.

Speaker 12 (33:19):
Colin If you're a really good, established coordinator, do you
want to go work for Brian Schottenheimer in Dallas?

Speaker 5 (33:24):
Why?

Speaker 10 (33:25):
Why?

Speaker 12 (33:25):
I mean this is not disrespectful Brian Schotteneier, It's the reality.
He's fifty one years old. He's failed multiple places as
an offensive coordinator, including Seattle, and now he appears to
be in the lead in Dallas.

Speaker 5 (33:35):
Now, I'm not willing to say quite yet that he
has the job.

Speaker 12 (33:38):
I know they really do like Kellen Moore and Kellen
Moore obviously they wouldn't be able to hire until Philly's out.

Speaker 5 (33:43):
But if Brian Schottenheimer is the guy, he is viewed
around the Lee. I'll tell you this quite totally.

Speaker 12 (33:49):
Honestly, he is viewed around the league as someone that
will acquiesce to Jerry Jones. Now, Mike McCarthy, I believe
Jerry really believed wanted to say and that he would
be able to retain him. Jerry got very behind in
the process. Did not proactively reach out to potential new coaches,

(34:09):
Ben Johnson, Aaron Glenn reaching out to the Lions.

Speaker 5 (34:12):
He did not do that. He became way behind and
as a result, not only.

Speaker 12 (34:17):
Does he not get a top tier head coach, but
he has no plan of how to operate moving forward.
The Cowboys have no plan, and this is what happens
when you just wing it. And Jerry Jones, who's in
his eighties, is operating right now as a lone wolf.
A lot of times he's incorporated Steven. It's my understanding
that Jerry Jones right now is driving this entire thing.

(34:38):
So if it's Brian Schottenheimer, it'll be because Jerry wants
Brian Schottenheimer, and that's not a very good thing.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
Let me throw a name out to you. I think
now Robert Salah is the best candidate on the market.
I thought Vrabel was initially, then I thought it was McCarthy,
Ben Pete. I think Solo now to me, has leveraged
ye with the Saints and the Cowboys. You're getting a
text right now? Is that anything we should know?

Speaker 5 (35:03):
This is directly related to the Jets GM search, But
I think we have a few minutes. We'll come back
to that, all right.

Speaker 12 (35:12):
Robert Sala, Yeah, Well, speaking of Jets, I believe wholeheartedly
that Robert Sala would have been a guy in Jacksonville
had the Liam cohenhil Mary networked.

Speaker 5 (35:23):
I believe that.

Speaker 12 (35:24):
And so now that they go with Liam Cohen, Robert
Sala I think is most likely very likely going to
go back to San Francisco become the defensive coordinator. But
you know, we just talked about Dallas. This is why
Dallas hasn't been relevant in three decades. If you're Dallas,
why aren't you talking to Robert Sala right now? This
is a guy who is very well respectful.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
I mean a minute, he left New York. Yes, the
franchise overboard.

Speaker 12 (35:49):
They were two and three, on the verge of potentially
first place, and they made him escapecoat and look what happened.

Speaker 5 (35:54):
They fell apart the rest of the season.

Speaker 12 (35:56):
Now, I'm not saying Robert Sala is a godsend of
a head coach, but he is a culture defensive guy.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
Niners want him back.

Speaker 12 (36:04):
The Niners desperately want him back, and really a lot
of teams really like Robert Sala It's why. And this
surprised me. He was in the mix in three different
organizations for a potential head coaching job, and a lot
of people, including myself, did not believe he'd be in
this cycle.

Speaker 5 (36:18):
That says a lot about how he's viewed throughout the league.
So if you're.

Speaker 12 (36:22):
Dallas, I don't understand, quite frankly, why you're not pursuing
a Robert Sala And it really goes to speak to
the ineptitude of Jerry Jones in the organization. But I
do believe again, he would have been in Jacksonville. If
it wasn't for Liiam Cohen, and I now believe he
will be back in San Francisco as the DC, which
probably means in a year he'll be in the head
coaching cycle again.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
Liam Callin, he's been around for a long time, fifteen years,
gets the Jaguars job. Has a lot of hurt feelings
in Tampa, but it is coordinator to head coach. It's
just gonna happen. That's the reality. They circled back Trevor
Lawrence finally gets his guy. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (36:55):
Yeah, So there's a lot of factors here.

Speaker 12 (36:57):
I don't want to go too much into the weeds
on this, but basically what happened was Liam cohen interview
with the Jags went very well. The next day he
alerts Jacksonville, you know what, I appreciate the opportunity, but
I want to remain in Tampa Bay. The next couple
of days, I love Baker Mayfield, love Todd Bowles. The
Bucks make him one of the highest paid coordinators in
the league, four four and a half million dollars.

Speaker 5 (37:19):
Everybody's happy. It's copastic.

Speaker 12 (37:21):
Then you fast forward twenty four hours the Jacks fired
Trent Bulky, and now all of a sudden, they start
bombarding Liam Cohen. Hey, would you be interested now that
trend's out, what can we do to get you in
the building?

Speaker 5 (37:33):
Give us another chance.

Speaker 12 (37:35):
As it was described to me, they were gonna make
Liam Cohen say no, not once, but twice.

Speaker 5 (37:39):
Okay, So they bring Liam Cohen secretly.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
That happened in college a lot.

Speaker 12 (37:44):
Absolutely, they bring Liam Cohen secretly into Jacksonville. Nobody knows
what's going on, and they meet with them basically all
day and Shad Cohn becomes very enambored, blown away. And
as it was ascribed to me, and I reported this
last night, they were not gonna let Liam Cohne lead
the building. That's how well went. And you asked me,
why not trimp Balkey? What's the big issue there? The
big issue is TRENTP. Balkey is a survivor. He survived

(38:06):
Jim Harbaugh, Jim tomp Sula, Doug Peterson, Urban Meyer. Now
you start to think, if I'm Liam Cohen, why would
I go to Jacksonville with Trent Balke talk about not
having alignment with a GM. It doesn't make any sense.
And the other part this is, and this is important
to know Colin. It's ironic that it's from menoc from
the Bucks to the Jags, because if you found if

(38:26):
you were one the clock three years Byron Left, which
was in a very similar position, the Jags wanted him.
He ended up turning it down because he did not
want to be in an organization that wasn't healthy. Right,
It's not guaranteed if you're Liam Cohen, just like it
wasn't with your Byron Left, which that you're going to
have an opportunity year later.

Speaker 1 (38:43):
Yeah, I think people get that. It's a head coaching
job with Trevor Lawrence.

Speaker 12 (38:47):
Absolutely, and if you're Byron Left, which you have not
been in the league now for three years, you never
got that shot.

Speaker 5 (38:52):
It's only thirty plus jobs, thirty two jobs he's in
the world.

Speaker 12 (38:55):
And I know how frustrated Bucks fans are with Liam Cohen,
but you have to understand this is an opportunity for
him to be a head coach and now instead of
making four to four and a half million, I've been
told he's going to make Ben Johnson money, which is
mid teens.

Speaker 5 (39:08):
It's a multi year deals.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
How many Buck fans would turn down three times the
job offer? Get over it?

Speaker 12 (39:14):
And the power and Trevor Lawrence who Colin. I know
he hasn't been perfect, but this is a guy with
im Men's talent. So there's a lot of unbelievable factors
here with that job.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
I worry about the Detroit Lions losing both coordinators, and
I hear they'd like to fill those positions from within.
Watch out the two.

Speaker 12 (39:38):
Names that I would watch for, Scotty Montgomery as the
OC potentially and Calvin Sheppard, linebacker coach, as the DC.
But they're going to have a search. The difference here,
go ahead, gonna.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
Say that's upgrading within the staff. Worries me.

Speaker 5 (39:51):
It does.

Speaker 12 (39:52):
The difference here, and this is the difference between Dallas
and Jerry Jones to Detroit with Brad Holmes and Dan Campbell.

Speaker 5 (39:59):
They've been ping for this for a year.

Speaker 12 (40:01):
They already have a lot of candidates obviously within but
also outside to potentially bring in, so they're ahead of
the game.

Speaker 10 (40:07):
Now.

Speaker 12 (40:07):
I'm not saying they're gonna be able to replace Ben
Jonson or Aaron Glenn, because you can't. But I think
Detroit with that roster is viewed at as a great
opportunity to come in work for Dan be really good
right away, and then you can jump start your career
potentially as a head coach.

Speaker 5 (40:23):
As we've seen with Aaron and Ben. I still think
with that division, Detroit has to be the favorite next year.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
Yeah, what do you think? I think I'll have to
examine my data and analytics. So let's go back to
the Cowboys.

Speaker 5 (40:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
I said this yesterday. We are seeing the fall of
an American institution. If I if it is, if it
is Brian Schottenheimer, Yeah, you can. I think it's interesting.
Would Jerry give him a two year deal? You got
to prove it two year deal, which, by the way,
you'll build a horrible staff. Is there a chance Sol

(40:58):
against Dallas?

Speaker 12 (40:59):
No, I don't think that's all. I think Kellen Moore
would be the other guy. I think Kelly, you'd have
to wait. You have to wait, wait three weeks.

Speaker 5 (41:04):
You'd have to wait.

Speaker 12 (41:05):
Absolutely. And if you're if you're Kellen Moore, are you
looking at Dallas. I know it's the head coaching job,
but you have a great thing going on with Philly
right now, and there's gonna be I would imagine. I
know it's not a guarantee we just said, but there
will be more opportunities for course. So to the reason
Jerry would love a Brian Schottenheimer or a Kellen Moore
for that matter, is you know they've Kellen Moore has

(41:25):
been in the organization. Kellen Moore is a young guy.
He hasn't been super established. Brian Schottenheimer will acquiesce to him.
Jerry wants full control and that's why he's operating right now.

Speaker 5 (41:34):
Is a lone wolf.

Speaker 12 (41:35):
I keep using that term because it's very important to understand.
This is not a collaborative approach. This is not a
Detroit or a Jets even looking for a new system.
This is Jerry Jones saying my way or the highway.
And that's why it's probably gonna be Brian Schottenheimer.

Speaker 5 (41:49):
If you loved you love that.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
I think it is, and I think it is shows
you how detas. Yes, the Cowboys have become the Lakers.
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