December 10, 2024 • 40 mins
Looking at the remarkable performance from Joe Burrow and Ja'Marr Chase and questions if the Bengals will ever maximize their abilities
Colin looks at who would be the best fit for the Chicago Bears head coach opening
The Eagles are winning, but their is some drama
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go on to Tuesday, Loaded up in reddeed
to go live in Los Angeles. It's the Herd wherever
you may be and however you may be listening. Thanks
for making us part of your day. One hour from now,
Nick Wright and our Herd Hierarchy, the playmaker Michael Irvin
stops by. You know you and I have I think
J Mack. We both are football first guys. We like
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the NBA, you love college basketball. Both of us like soccer.
I'm a UFC guy as well. I'm I'm I'm moving
back to baseball because of the moves and the last
couple of years don't have the baseball playoffs were hard
to turn off. But I was watching last night's game
and it felt different. Cowboys Bengals. Bengals went on to
win than most games, and I'll tell you why the
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reason we watch football is because we care about the outcomes,
and it's not that way for a lot of sports.
In the NBA. The bottom of the NBA is so large.
You end up watching games sometimes because you just want
to watch like an individual star or two. You don't
really care about who wins the game. And I've been
saying this all season where the NFL's got to be careful.
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It's become so quarterback centric and the rules are so
quarterback friendly. If you don't have a great quarterback, you
have not so you don't want to become the NBA.
You want to care about the outcomes. And last night
felt like an NBA game. All I care about was
Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase. That's the only reason I
watched that game. And that's what I worry about. The
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NFL bottom is getting large. There's like eleven teams that
are hard to watch. Burrow thirty three or forty four,
he's absolutely brilliant. Jamar Chase fourteen catches, game winner, probably
the second best receiver in the entire world. These are
all time greats, but they are stuck in a shaky
organization that frankly has suboptimal ownership and a front office.
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They're the opposite of the Eagles. They don't take any risks. Now,
it's not the first time ever a great quarterback has
been stuck with a franchise that can't deliver for him.
Andrew Luck, Carson Palmer, same ownership in Cincinnati, Matt Stafford,
Joe Burrow is similar. There is no arguing. This is
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why you have to contextualized championships. The fact that he
got a bad offensive line and allows the linebacking corps.
I mean that team. It's almost impossible to get a
bad O line to a conference championship. He got to
within a play of winning the Super Bowl. The guy
is absolutely incredible. But I'm watching him last night and
I felt like I'm watching an NBA game. I'm just
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watching this for Burrow and Chase because I think Jamar
Chase is a top ten wide receiver. Talent of my life.
I think he's that good. I'm not saying he's Jerry Rice.
He's an all timer. I remember when he came out
of college. They're like, he's not that fast. I don't know,
nobody catches him. And Burrow, what do you want to say?
He's the one guy that will go into Arrowhead Stadium,
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and I think gives Andy Reid and Steve Spagnola nightmares.
So so much about life, especially for young people, is
where you land. Mahomes got a great owner and a
great coach. Josh Allen got a good owner and a
good coach. And that's the difference between a conference championship
and trophies and so like they say in real estate, location, location, location,
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And that's why I always say you have to context
your LIZE championships. Dan Marino had a great coach, never
a great defense, doesn't Aviny. He got to the Super
Bowl once, And that's why I say about John Elway.
John Alway's probably the greatest prospect to ever enter the
league in terms of town. I mean it was number one.
There was no question. John Elway got to Super Bowls
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and got humiliated. He got beat by forty five thirty
two nineteen points. John Elway His was, yeah, he's a
talented loser in the big games. Then he got an
all time coach Mike Shanahan and Terrell Davis back to
back Super Bowls retires and he's a legend. I mean
even now you just say the word Elway. It's like
Peley Elway, like everybody gets it means great. It w
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wasn't that for a long time. He needed the right coach.
So to me, I look at Joe Burrow and I
saw a stat this morning, and this what he sums
it up. Burrow. Here's quarterbacks that have led the league
in passing touchdowns on teams with losing records in the
past fifty years. Joe Montana, Drew Brees, and Joe Burrow.
And you know, Montana was fortunate he had the ownership,
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he got the coach, but it didn't always work that way.
And this is not a referendum against Zach Taylor. But
I'm just watching Burrow last night and Jamar Chase fourteen
catches game winning touchdowns. Here's Burrow after talking about his
superstar receiver.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
He's he's a special player.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
He continues to make plays after the catch, for the catch,
anyway that you can hind the ball.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
He makes plays.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
He deserves all.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
He's going to get more hasn't been paid yet. I'm
not sure what they're waiting for. But because they're not
gonna pay t Higgins and they've already let safeties and
Joe Mixon go, I don't know what they're waiting for.
I think he'd have a contract in Philadelphia already. Crazy me,
I think he'd have one. So the Chicago Bears, according
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to a popular former radio host now podcaster Dan McNeil,
they're down to four head coaching candidates. These are the
names you're hearing, Ben Johnson, Brian Floores, Joe Brady, and
Mike Rable. So now I believe that some jobs, and
I'm not just talking football, some jobs are too big
for first timers. You can't go from intern to chief
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resident at a hospital. You can't go from city controller
to President of the United States as too much and
there's just too many potholes and obstacles for Joe Brady
or Ben Johnson. This is not the job. This is
not the job for those two guys. It's too big
as too many moving parts, too much dysfunction the two guys.
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Let's first talk Brian Flores because he's very interesting, been
a head coach, tremendous defensive resume, learned under the school
of Belichick. Has been in a dysfunctional organization. He created
some of it and he failed, but he created a
culture and a defense very quickly. Now he's intense. He
didn't get along with Tua. He's acknowledged it, he's been reflective.
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I wouldn't make him my first choice, but I've said
all you Brian Flores deserves a head coaching job. He's
just too damn good at defense. And he's also been willing.
He's not a stubborn guy. He has gone to the
podium and said, hey, man, I wish I could do
the to a thing differently. And I know internet trolls
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want you to believe that they're perfect, but most of
us make mistakes in our life all the time. Nick
Saban was just talking about this the other day on
TV when he took the Dolphins job, and he had
a couple of funny lines that you just you make mistakes,
you make choices if you're aggressive, and Brian Flores is
a hyper aggressive guy. But he deserves a second job.
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He is a really good coach. He would be my
one a but my one would be Mike Frabel because
he's been a head coach for six years, he's been
part of a dynasty, he got to a conference championship
with Ryan Tannehill, and most of all, he is a
culture changer. And I talked about this yesterday. If you
look at organizations that were really a mess, like the
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Charge with Brandon Staley, the Lions forever, it wasn't just
guys who were schemers, it was culture changers. Jim Harbaugh
has changed the way we think about the Chargers, Dan Campbell,
the Biding kneecap stuff. He's not a scheme expert. What
he is is a culture changer, and I think that matters.
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When Green Bay was looking for a coach, I'll never
forget this. I got to call it on Matt Lafleur
and I called around and I said, what do you
know about Matt Lafleur And the question was, well, mcveay, Shanahan,
and Lafleur are tight. Mcvey's the culture guy. Hanson walks
into a big, big lot of confidence. He's the culture changer.
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And he did that to the Rams literally in two weeks.
Whereas Lafleur was really good with schemes, could develop into
a big presence. But Green Bay wasn't a mess. Green
Bay wins, they draft and develop well. What they needed
is somebody to get along with Aaron Rodgers and somebody
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that with their draft and development program, and they're smart,
mostly frugal free agent signings. It didn't need somebody to
blow it up. Aaron and McCarthy didn't get along. Laflora
gets along with everybody in the league, and so it's different.
Oregonists San Francisco when they hired Kyle Shannan, they had
good ownership, they had some good players. They needed a
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scheme expert. So not every team needs the same thing.
Vrabel's my choice in Chicago. He's a culture guy. He's
had dysfunction in Tennessee. But I gotta tell you, Brian
Floores is a strong one a to me because I
watched them go to Miami. He may have messed up
to two a thing, and defensive coaches aren't always great
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in the offensive rooms. But I think Rabel's to play here,
and I think it's an easy one. And also, the
Bears could have had Jim Harbaugh who wanted the job
and passed on it. This organization could have already solved
their cultural issues and they passed. Don't pass again, all right,
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we got a lot of stuff going on. Nick Wright
heard hierarchy Philadelphia Eagles, you're already getting now, Philadelphia Sports
Radio creates more controversies than any sports radio in the country.
They already got players for the Eagles squawking and talking
and disrupting.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Kind of self inflicted by Graham. He just popped off,
Hey can I go back to the Bears for suck?
So we're hearing a lot of Belichick stuff this morning.
I don't know who the Chicago guy is who's reporting
this stuff. You said he's credible. How are the Bears
not considering Bill Belichick?
Speaker 2 (10:44):
What is that about?
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Because I think Belichick. I think Belichick's interest in Carolina
tells you where his head's at is That now it's
about his legacy and his kids. Also builds a lifetime
AFC guy. You know he the Giants, that's a long
time ago. It was the Jets, no thank you, it
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was the Browns, it was the Patriots. I don't think
he fits in Chicago, and I think there are different
stages people are in their life. I think when Andy
Reid went to Kansas City, he's in his fifties and
he wanted to prove Philadelphia made a mistake. Bill doesn't
need to prove anything at the NFL level. He's got
the vote, the rings, the House, Nantucket, the new girlfriend.
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He didn't need to prove anything. College is about legacy,
and I think that's a different state. Harbaugh, by the way,
he left that NFL stone unturned. He got to a
Super Bowl, did not get along with Trent baal Key,
but the forty nine ers in the front office. So
he wanted to prove, Hey, give me an organization where
I can bring all my guys in and all win.
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You a ring that has a legitimate quarterback. So Harball
had something to prove because day one in San Francisco,
he and Trent Bulky battled. He's like, no, no, I
want all my guys and so they allowed that. So
I don't think Bill has anything to prove.
Speaker 5 (12:03):
I get that, But Colin, would I hear somebody.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
And again I don't know who this guy is reporting this,
but this idea that Joe Brady is on the Bears
list and Bill Belichick is not.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
I hear that. I'm out, I'm out. Forget the future, Colin, They're.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Not going anywhere.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
Joe Brady.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Come on, well, I said, I don't think Brady or
Ben Johnson they are not equipped to deal with this.
There's also now a reported rift between Ryan Poles, the
GM who I think is pretty good. I like him.
I think Ryan Poles is pretty good. I think he
missed on the Chase Claypool thing, but everybody misses on receivers. Okay,
it's a position with a lot of drama and personality.
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I think Poles is pretty darn good. I like him,
and I actually think the offensive line choices I like too.
I don't think this staff was equipped to make those
young players better. But now Kevin Warren and Ryan Poles
their story. They don't get along enough. You watched at
the press conference, Yeah, it was tense and weird.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
Instantly the next morning was like, what's going on there
behind the scenes?
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Now pretty I think there are different times to hire
different people. To me, Vrabel is the clear choice for Chicago.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Those names, yeah, I would agree. Be sure to catch
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Speaker 1 (13:19):
So it's like Buffalo Bill's coach Sean McDermott, listen to
our opening rant yesterday, which is, why do you keep
wasting these incredible Josh Allen games. Patrick Mahomes is fourteen
and two in his games where he's had four hundred
plus yards, Josh Allen's four and five. They are wasting
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the prime years of his life. And Sean McDermott addressed
that criticism.
Speaker 6 (13:46):
We got to do a better job around him. You
got to score forty some points and even then you're
holding your breath to win, right, So you know, sometimes
if you look at it the right way and you're
to make the adjustments you have to make, sometimes this
can be as hard as it is a good reminder
of what you need to do every week in this
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league and how we have to adjust as a football team.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
In a big picture. Let's be honest. The owner of
the Bills is good, the GM is good, My people
love him, The quarterbacks a superstar, and the coach is good.
Reid and Mahomes are both great great There's a difference,
and so if you're going to make a move, you
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better have the right guy. But Sean McDermott is absolutely
a very good coach. Got to the playoffs with Tyrod Taylor,
and I think the Bills have become a little bit
like the Warriors with Mark Jackson as their head coach.
Mark Jackson came in changed the culture. It's a losing organization,
established a foundation, got them very quickly to back to
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back winning seasons. They won fifty games, and that hadn't
happened for the Warriors in a long time. Mark Jackson
and Sean McDermott are good coaches and good men. And
then Steve Kerk came in and he was just a
better fit for the offensive star Steph Curry, who Kerr
made into a superstar, all star to a superstar. And
he also got the most out of Draymond Green. So again,
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Mark Jackson was good in Sean McDermott is good. Do
I think if if if Allen would have inherited Andy Reid,
do I think it's different. Yes, But there's only one
Andy Reid. So in the end. The other thing with
Buffalo is they got to be careful here because they've
got this thing hanging over the franchise, this runner up history.
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If the if the Bills had Jim Kelly won a couple,
let's say Jim Kelly won a ring and Josh Allen
won one ring, they'd have They'd have their two great
quarterbacks would have rings. I don't even think you'd feel
the same. It's like, oh, they'll get another one, but
when you couldn't get one with Kelly and you got
the most gifted quarterback in the league. He is more
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gifted than Mahomes. It may be close, but he's bigger, stronger,
better runner, huge arm and you don't have any I
mean in Jim Kelly and Josh Allen are all time stuff, right,
all time stuff, and you got nothing to show for it.
And so that game against the Rams felt like that loss,
that thirteen seconds to go, have a lead, lose to
Kansas City, And as I said, don't take anything away
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from Matt Stafford. You know how I feel about Matt Stafford.
You know, everybody in the world feels about Matt Stafford.
He's an Ald timer two. But you looked at that
game and you're like, come on, Sean blocked punt nine
players on the field, final play, Wasting a time out
at the goal line just doesn't feel quite buttoned up.
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And it's like Mark Jackson was good, but it was
Kerr that took the star and made him a superstar.
Steph Curry and I kind of feel like they're wasting
I mean, if they lose again in a wild shootout,
it's not that day lost. It was that it was
so easy for the Rams to move the ball and
a block punk and nine guys on the field, and
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as Tom Brady accurately pointed out, wasting a time out
of the goal line. It didn't eventually matter, but it
could have, and against the Chiefs it could. J Mack
with the news.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
This is the Herdline News.
Speaker 5 (17:25):
All right, let's start with the big game in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
Sunday on Fox, Steelers head to Philly to take on
the Eagles. Russell Wilson, What a season he's having won
six of his seventh starts.
Speaker 5 (17:37):
Colin, you love him. Tom loves them.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Everybody loves them. He loves them.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Speaking to the media after their win on Sunday, Russ
talked about just how good of a coach Tomlin is.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
I think, obviously coach tomin is, you know, my opinion,
the best coach coach in the National Football League, maybe
all of sports in my opinion.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
You know, I think how he leads us, how.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
He communicates, his demeanor, you know, his passion for winning
and and and what it takes to win. You know,
it's a special thing. It's a special it's a special thing,
and I can't explain it enough to you guys.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
You know how great he is as a.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Leader and the culture here. You know, it's funny he
had Pete Carroll, All Timer, Sean Payton All Timer, and
Mike Tomlin. Is there any quarterback who's three coaches have
all been Hall of Fame level? Ever, I don't think
it's ever happened. I mean, seriously, he went from Pete Carroll,
Sean Payton and Mike Tomlin. And for the record, sew
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didn't have anything against Russell, but his view of how
he needed it to work is not what Russell could do.
And you're watching it with bow Nicks and by the way,
sum of it was russell own office, massive salary. Sean
looked at the rebuild and thought we can't do a
massive rebuild without draft picks and with his salary. So
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it wasn't that Russell Wilson was terrible and Boonix is great. Numbers.
I do think it's very unique that he's had those
three coaches, But don't.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
Forget about Nathaniel Hackett as well well.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
That that that was a mess.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
He deserves to be mentioned.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
A couple a couple of numbers we got here Steelers
are underdogs. I see four and a half on the screen,
but it's it's going to be dropping. We're gonna see
some fours here. I disagree with that.
Speaker 5 (19:21):
I will be buying Philly at four.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
I just saw a report that Pickens could play this week,
but Tomlin is describing him as doubtful.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
That's not good.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
That's not good. That they are they are, they're different
without Pickings there, he is a He is the icing
on the whole cake. He makes it. It just looks
and tastes better. I mean car Special, the Browns.
Speaker 5 (19:43):
You know.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
Without Pickens, it's another to attack the Eagles, who are
going to be really into this game. Steelers have not
won in Philly since nineteen sixty five. Good these two
don't don't seem like they play that The link is
going to be quite a season.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Ray.
Speaker 5 (19:58):
Next up is the for Niners Colin.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
They snapped a pregame losing streak blasting the Bears.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
I cannot believe. I like this.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
This is a huge, huge Thursday night game.
Speaker 5 (20:08):
Yeah, forty nine Ers.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
They only have an eight percent chance of making the playoffs,
two games back of the final wild card spot.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
George Kittle is undeterred.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
Believes they can sneak into the playoffs with the right approach.
Speaker 7 (20:21):
The message was we need to play with more of
a sense of urgency and played desperate. Guys just put
put it all out there because we have the players,
we have the playmakers, we have the play call, and
we have everything to win games, but like, we have
to do it out of desperation. When you're playing desperate
and you're playing like, hey, if we don't win this game,
our season potentially is over. That desperation fuels guys in
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different ways.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
So historically Shanahan has dominated LA Floor, though they choked
away a game earlier this year.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
I don't know if you remember that, you said, McVeagh.
Speaker 5 (20:54):
I'm sorry McVeigh.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
So who do you like in this game? What is
your gut instinct? Because I don't think the Rams can
play a perfect football game. Back to back, I thought
they were literally you could go to that game and
that's as well as they played since the Super Bowl.
I thought they were spectacular special teams.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
Well, they had that game at Baltimore last year, remember
in the rain where they lost that.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
They did lose that.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
Yeah, So I look at the guysers here I.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Think I'm gonna lean Niners. I don't think. I mean,
even at the college level, you could never get a
team to play back because you got young kids. They're
emotional even at the pro level. Man, when you go
back and look at that Rams game. If you know how,
sometimes you'll be on a flight and all of a
sudden you go to the NFL network on the flight
and they'll have like an old NFL game. And if
this ever pops up in the NFL network and you're
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watching it a year from now, you're gonna watch the
Rams and go, how did they not win the Super
Bowl that year? They were incredible?
Speaker 5 (21:47):
So I'm looking at the Niners depth chart.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
Gorendo, the guy who's backing up Jordan Mason and McCaffrey.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
He left Sunday's game injured.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
They're running backs as of now, are someone named Patrick
Taylor and Keishawn Vaughn.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:59):
Yeah, the Niners are.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
As beat up as any team in the league. So
there is a world where Stafford continues to cook and
Pooka Nikoua has another fifteen for a two.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
But he's banged up too. Pookah, he's a little he
wasn't so I I this is gonna be last week
are I'll tell you Amazon's done a good job. We
have got some spectacular Thursday night game.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
A week ago this time, this game did not look
good because people were like, oh, the Rams are gonna
lose to the Bills, and everybody the money was pouring
in on the Bears. You know, that game was at
like six and it closed at three. Everybody bet the
Bears and they didn't show up in the Niners one.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
So now this game matters. I guess I would lean
Niners slightly.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
I think it's my slight lane.
Speaker 5 (22:44):
I don't, I don't.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
It's pizza money if anything. That's not a game with
conviction that I have. There's some better games on the
board we'll get to later in the week. Final story, Colin,
I'm kind of sort of obsessed with this Bill Belichick
North Carolina stuff.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
This story is moving quickly.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
As an update this morning says Belichick has agreed to
become the new next the next North Carolina head go. However, however,
it's not Rapaport or shifter or any We talked about
this yesterday. This was our prediction yesterday that today there
would be an announcement. You do not meet with somebody
for five hours, and it's just not small talk. You're
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talking about structure of staff, you're talking budget. So Bill
Belichick literally within five hours.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
And Bill's imminently qualified to dive into the structure and
the details of college football. He knows how the game works.
Bill came in with a folder, and he came he
came with AMO.
Speaker 5 (23:43):
You say a folder, it's more of a thick binder.
They're saying.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
It's a four hundred age organizational bible of conditions. Now,
this is the only thing I don't like about this.
It includes structure, payment plans, and staffing. Apparently Belichick is
unwilling to negotiate.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
He came North Carolina say here's my four.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
Hundred this is how I'm gonna run your program. We're
gonna make an NFL factory. It's gonna be awesome. But
apparently he's unwilling to negotiate it. Well, they say, hey,
page seventy three, we don't like this. Sorry, So I
let me just state this. I would not hire.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Him if you North Carolina, I would note it's it's
it's easily a top twenty job. You can get a
lot of good people. Carolina is a.
Speaker 5 (24:24):
A lot of good people. This guy's won Max Brown
than any coach Brown, pretty good Brown compared to Bill Belichick.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
As a college coach, Mac Brown's proven. Oh my god,
I mean again, don't prove us college. Come back Brown.
I'm just telling you Mac Brown, turn that program around.
He did a great job and he came back into
a very good job.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
We're talking about Bill Belichick.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
We're talking about NFL head coach who is stubborn seventy
and these are my demands. I'm just saying. As a university,
this is not. Let me just say this. This is
not the BC job, This is not This is not
Washingington State. Carolina is a well capitalized, massive basketball lacrosse.
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I mean, if you look at the Sears Cup, this
is this is a really heady group of smart people
that run it. Their alumni list is not just sports,
but they're alumni list for academics and business achievement is
very impressive. Maybe not in Duke. They don't have presidents,
but it's a very impressive school.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
I'm nil collective is not delivering. Michael Jordan's not involved
all these.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Great Well, how do you know Belichick's going to do anything.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
Well, I mean, I don't know if Bill Belichick shows
up and is like, hey, Mike an a couple.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
In negotiation and you're not reasonably flexible. And I'm not
not saying Bill doesn't have some leverage here. He's Bill Belichick.
But this whole these are my demands, Like, well.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
Let's hope this report is accurate, but I listen, some
of us are unwilling to negotiate.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
You know, I think it.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Isn't Bill Belichick. He's won a lot, you will win
in the NFL. If I told you two things can happen.
He becomes as good as Saban in college or it's
a complete mess and you had to choose one.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
Well, it's the acc I would lean closer to Saban,
all right, and then you okay, could Belichick get North
Carolina to the College football Playoff within two years?
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Well, I mean, sm use in it exactly. I think
you's you know you're giving me this binary choice. Binary choice.
My take is eight coaches could if you hire the
right guy, go to SMU and hire that coach. How
about Lance Leopold at Kansas, take him to Carolina. They're
gonna win the ACC in two years.
Speaker 5 (26:40):
Real good job?
Speaker 4 (26:41):
He is he getting one hundred million dollar bump in
your nil collective.
Speaker 5 (26:44):
Lance Lee. There's no guarantee, there's no there's no guarantees
in like.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
But Bill Belichick is a big time name, a proven winner.
And if I'm in the transfer portal, I'm your your guy,
Miller Moss or whatever his name is from USC Belichick. Yeah,
he probably knows something about being a quarterback in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
That's what I want to be.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
I want to go there, and I do believe they
will clean up in the transfer portal and Belichick could
get them into the playoff.
Speaker 5 (27:08):
I would not be shocked next year by the way.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
North Carolina had Sam Howell and Drake May two NFL
quarterbacks in the last like five years, so they've.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Got by the side. Belichick couldn't stand Drake May as
a prospect, which is weird, not great, not great. He
can't spot offensive talent. Didn't think Drake May had it
in him. Seven games into this year, were like, yeah,
Drake May's really good.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
Not great. You know they're gonna have a GM to control.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
The hopefully he can control personnel. Yeah, instead of drafting
interior lineman and Kickers. Boy, you love just d I
got nothing against Belichick. I worshiped at the aultar of
Bill forever. But you are people are being intellectually dishonest.
If you go to the Boston media, you know belgrin
maz my guys, you go ask them about Belichick's personnel
moves the last six years atrocious?
Speaker 5 (27:55):
What about fifteen years before that?
Speaker 1 (27:57):
He was Tom Brady has little to do with that.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
Yeah, other guys were involved. Yeah, I know, Okay, Brady
was kind of important.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Josh McDaniel, guy best oh see in the game for years,
sort of radio guy. He's not heaving me.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
Those are the guys who were like brown bags on
their head to football games.
Speaker 5 (28:13):
You're listening to their credible Give me a break.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
I will decide who's credible. Jamack with the news, Well that's.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
The news, and thanks for stopping by the heard Line news.
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Something that I like. Rodney Dangerfield, but at seventy five
he shouldn't be opening at the Apollo, right. I tell you,
it's like, Okay, you were great twenty five years ago.
I tell you, Okay, I've lost myself a little here.
You didn't think you're gonna get a Rodney Danger feel.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
It's your best impression I've ever heard.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Okay, I'm whatever because show's gone sideways, my lack of essalism.
I got a lot of stuff to talk about, Nick
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So the Philadelphia Eagles have two holiday traditions. Number one
of the Jason Kelsey Christmas album was always a thing
and number two getting in their own way always drama Philadelphia.
Not exactly sure why, but even when they're winning, there's drama.
They're not happy unless they're grumbling and unhappy. So Brandon Graham,
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a great football player, went on a radio station in
Philadelphia WIP and said the Jalen Hurts relationship with A J.
Brown is not the same I.
Speaker 8 (30:09):
Don't know the whole story, but I know that one
is trying to and I mean, I love it to
be a little better with how he responds to things.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
And they was friends before this.
Speaker 8 (30:20):
He's like man, but things have changed, and I understand
that because life happens. But we gotta it's the business
side that we have to make sure that we don't
let the personal get in the way of the business.
Speaker 5 (30:31):
And that's what we got to do better as right
now because we know it's the issue. Everybody's seeing with
some things, but we.
Speaker 8 (30:40):
Need to be able to talk talk things out as men.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Now that's about as honest as you're gonna get. Everybody
can backtrack them are honest. Words like AJ Brown and
Jalen Hurts are not guys. They're struggling. So the team
is Kennano. When AJ Brown plays, but he wants about
twelve targets a game, he wants to look like Jamar
Chase and that's not this team. So he's valuable, but
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that's not this team. And clearly the Eagles staff since
the bye week has been very intentional. They're now a
run first team. They pass less and run more. They
are led by Saquon Barkley. That is intentional, and they
don't turn the ball over as much. And I agree
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with it, and I love AJ Brown. This is not
Cincinnati where they let Joe Mixon go and they have
to pass. Saquon Barkley's probably right now the best running
back in the league certainly, I mean short list one
or two. And McCaffrey's healthy. So and here's the point. Okay, fine,
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but Nick Siriani doesn't deal with personnel. That's Howie Roseman
the great GM. He doesn't call plays. This is Nick
Sirianni's job. He's got no other job. He'd a known.
He didn't run, he doesn't draft, he doesn't call plays,
he doesn't worry about the defensive side. What does Nick
Sirianni do? This is his task to make the locker
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room work. So, I mean, in this current structure in Philadelphia,
they've taken everything away from him other than motivation and
the culture. Okay, your culture's got a ding to it.
And again, Philadelphia is very unique. When teams win eight
or nine straight games, it erases all the nonsense. But
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Aj Brown is verbal. Now, let me just say this.
Mike Tomlin with George Pickens just sat him down and
said grow up. Belichick will ship you out of town.
John Harbaugh, Deontay Johnson, you're suspended. Like I've seen the
Andy Reid When Tyreek Hill was getting noisy and wanted
more money, they moved Tyreek Hill out and said, okay,
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we'll start over. We're not going to build the team
around Tyreek Hill. It's a Mahomes Kelsey Christian Owns organization.
We love Tyreek Hill. And they went back to back
super Bowls, moving off Tyreek kil who wanted more money
into be the vocal point. And that's okay, I get it.
But this is why Nick Siriani's the coach. He's not
a personnel guy. He's not Sean Payton helped reconstruct the roster.
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He doesn't need that. And he's not a play calling guy.
So to me, whatever wins games, you go with. And
I think what the Philadelphia Eagles staff and coaching group
is acknowledging his Jalen Hurts is very good. But he's
not Matt Stafford. He's not Mahomes, he's not Joe Burrow
or Josh Allen. From the pocket, he was a second
round quarterback. He can be the centerpiece of an offense.
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But he's not a guy. Greg Cosel's been saying this
for two years. You're not going to put him in
the pocket. And he's not going to go throw to
throw with Burrough, Stafford Mahomes. It's not what he is.
Everybody's got different gifts. Russell Wilson's a little bit like this.
Everybody's got different gifts. So Philadelphia is a unique organization.
I think AJ Brown sometimes Saquon Barkley's on a heater.
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I think sometimes in life and in business, you just
got to admit, like it's like when you're playing basketball
at the Why and somebody is red hot. It's not
your moment, it's not your time. That's not you, j Mac.
You can say it is, but it's not. But in
the end, sometimes it's somebody else's time. And this is
a this is a Saquon Barkley led team. It should be.
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It's not a coach led team, and it's not a
wide receiver led team. But but what Brandon Graham was
talking about, and everybody will try to diffuse it, those
are real words. That's what's happening. And Aj wants the
ball and he's getting like six and a half targets
for this offense, that's what you're gonna get. Again, Cincinnati
did never run gate. Jamar kay is gonna get fourteen targets.
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But that's a whole different ballgame. So and I will
say this, I do think A. J. Brown is sensitive
because in Tennessee he wanted more targets and they had
Derrick Henry. So he's like, why do I always end
up with a first offense? I got Derrick Henry, and
now I got Saquon Barkley, and he's the one receiver
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in the league. It's like justin Jefferson, Jamar Chase, You're
watching these other receivers, Tyreek Hill, they get all the attention.
AJ's like, I'm as good as these guys. Well, it's
just circumstance. You inherited when you got there Derrick Henry
and now at Saquon Barkley, and they just happened to
be in their prime as good as any running back
in the league not named Christian McCaffrey. So it is.
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There was a moment last night in the Cowboys Bengals game,
and not much drives me crazy in sports, and I
understand that, Like I don't know how to work the
board in the back. I don't know where all the
levers mean. And I've been I've been in radio and
TV for thirty years, but I don't know every part
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of it. But I do know what you can say
and can't say on the air. I know the FCC's words.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
I know that.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
And as a player, I don't expect you to follow
the draft, understand the cap, but you got to know
the rules. And so last night, the Cowboys block a punt.
But the way it works with punts, there is no
partially blocked punt. If you block a punt and it
goes past the line of scrimmage, it's a punt. Don't
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touch it. And here's the radio call from the Dallas Cowboys,
who apparently did not know the rules of the punt.
All right, here's the punt by Ryan Raco. Got it
is blocked? Got it the BEng that you're going to
have the bone? No, can't touch it. That did not
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just happen.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
That just happened.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
So and again, the Cowboys have, you know, a above
average special teams coach, and I understand it's a locker
room full of young men and they're getting paid and
it's exciting. And they don't know every rule. We saw
this in the Super Bowl. I see I put a
lot of the onus here, not in the player, on
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the coach. I really do. And I'll give you an example.
Why remember the Super Bowl Kansas City and San Francisco,
and the San Francisco players didn't know of a new
Super Bowl rule that had just been enacted. Is that
unlike the regular season where if you get the ball
in overtime and score a touchdown, you win the game.
But in the Super Bowl this year they enacted a
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new rule going forward that if you score a touchdown
going forward in the Super Bowl overtime, the other team
still gets the ball. San Francisco players had no idea.
Kansas City players not only had an idea, but had
a game plan for it. And I love Shanahan, but
that was not a good moment for him. We can
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bang on the player here and they should know. But
the truth is, sometimes coaches have to remind young players
about some of the rules. So I'll show you another
one that there's two rules in football, because this one
happens very infrequently. The two things that happen every week
that drive me crazy is the backwards pass Miami does
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this a lot, and it's like, that's a live ball.
Tennessee picks that up. That's a live ball. That's a
change of possession. When the ball is passed backwards, you
gotta get it out of bounds or falling it. And
it happens every weekend. You gotta know that offensive players.
I saw Tyreek Hill do it a couple months ago.
It drove me crazy. The other one that drives me
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crazy is when you have a big completion. Plaxico buristed
this years ago. He wasn't touched, he spiked the ball.
You're a live player if you catch the ball and
are not touched and go to the ground in the NFL,
Now college you're down NFL, you can get up and run.
So that means defensive backs, when you're guarding somebody, they
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catch it and you don't touch them, you gotta go
over and had them or touch them. You don't have
to tackle them, you got to touch them. Plaxico Burris
didn't know as an offensive player, Dude, you were un touched,
get up and run. So again, I can just lament
all of these and they do all drive me crazy,
and I can just crush the players who I do
think in that you don't have to know every rule
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as a running back or a wide receiver, but as
a running back you have to know the backwards pass rule.
And as a receiver or a dB, you have to
know that if you're untouched after a catch, get up
and run. You got to know that. I'm not asking
wide receivers who don't play special teams to know everything,
but I think a lot of times it falls on coaching.
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I have talked to so many players that played under
Bill Belichick. They practiced everything. Remember that Super Bowl against Seattle,
the Malcolm Butler pick. I mean they knew what was coming.
Seattle sideline was disoriented, not New England's, not New England's.
They were ready to go. You can crush the player.
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I'm gonna look at the coach to remind players of
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the NBA, you love college basketball. Both of us like soccer.
I'm a UFC guy as well. I'm I'm I'm moving
back to baseball because of the moves and the last
couple of years don't have the baseball playoffs were hard
to turn off. But I was watching last night's game
and it felt different. Cowboys Bengals. Bengals went on to
win than most games, and I'll tell you why the
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reason we watch football is because we care about the outcomes,
and it's not that way for a lot of sports.
In the NBA. The bottom of the NBA is so large.
You end up watching games sometimes because you just want
to watch like an individual star or two. You don't
really care about who wins the game. And I've been
saying this all season where the NFL's got to be careful.
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It's become so quarterback centric and the rules are so
quarterback friendly. If you don't have a great quarterback, you
have not so you don't want to become the NBA.
You want to care about the outcomes. And last night
felt like an NBA game. All I care about was
Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase. That's the only reason I
watched that game. And that's what I worry about. The
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NFL bottom is getting large. There's like eleven teams that
are hard to watch. Burrow thirty three or forty four,
he's absolutely brilliant. Jamar Chase fourteen catches, game winner, probably
the second best receiver in the entire world. These are
all time greats, but they are stuck in a shaky
organization that frankly has suboptimal ownership and a front office.
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They're the opposite of the Eagles. They don't take any risks. Now,
it's not the first time ever a great quarterback has
been stuck with a franchise that can't deliver for him.
Andrew Luck, Carson Palmer, same ownership in Cincinnati, Matt Stafford,
Joe Burrow is similar. There is no arguing. This is
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why you have to contextualized championships. The fact that he
got a bad offensive line and allows the linebacking corps.
I mean that team. It's almost impossible to get a
bad O line to a conference championship. He got to
within a play of winning the Super Bowl. The guy
is absolutely incredible. But I'm watching him last night and
I felt like I'm watching an NBA game. I'm just
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watching this for Burrow and Chase because I think Jamar
Chase is a top ten wide receiver. Talent of my life.
I think he's that good. I'm not saying he's Jerry Rice.
He's an all timer. I remember when he came out
of college. They're like, he's not that fast. I don't know,
nobody catches him. And Burrow, what do you want to say?
He's the one guy that will go into Arrowhead Stadium,
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and I think gives Andy Reid and Steve Spagnola nightmares.
So so much about life, especially for young people, is
where you land. Mahomes got a great owner and a
great coach. Josh Allen got a good owner and a
good coach. And that's the difference between a conference championship
and trophies and so like they say in real estate, location, location, location,
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And that's why I always say you have to context
your LIZE championships. Dan Marino had a great coach, never
a great defense, doesn't Aviny. He got to the Super
Bowl once, And that's why I say about John Elway.
John Alway's probably the greatest prospect to ever enter the
league in terms of town. I mean it was number one.
There was no question. John Elway got to Super Bowls
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and got humiliated. He got beat by forty five thirty
two nineteen points. John Elway His was, yeah, he's a
talented loser in the big games. Then he got an
all time coach Mike Shanahan and Terrell Davis back to
back Super Bowls retires and he's a legend. I mean
even now you just say the word Elway. It's like
Peley Elway, like everybody gets it means great. It w
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wasn't that for a long time. He needed the right coach.
So to me, I look at Joe Burrow and I
saw a stat this morning, and this what he sums
it up. Burrow. Here's quarterbacks that have led the league
in passing touchdowns on teams with losing records in the
past fifty years. Joe Montana, Drew Brees, and Joe Burrow.
And you know, Montana was fortunate he had the ownership,
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he got the coach, but it didn't always work that way.
And this is not a referendum against Zach Taylor. But
I'm just watching Burrow last night and Jamar Chase fourteen
catches game winning touchdowns. Here's Burrow after talking about his
superstar receiver.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
He's he's a special player.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
He continues to make plays after the catch, for the catch,
anyway that you can hind the ball.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
He makes plays.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
He deserves all.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
He's going to get more hasn't been paid yet. I'm
not sure what they're waiting for. But because they're not
gonna pay t Higgins and they've already let safeties and
Joe Mixon go, I don't know what they're waiting for.
I think he'd have a contract in Philadelphia already. Crazy me,
I think he'd have one. So the Chicago Bears, according
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to a popular former radio host now podcaster Dan McNeil,
they're down to four head coaching candidates. These are the
names you're hearing, Ben Johnson, Brian Floores, Joe Brady, and
Mike Rable. So now I believe that some jobs, and
I'm not just talking football, some jobs are too big
for first timers. You can't go from intern to chief
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resident at a hospital. You can't go from city controller
to President of the United States as too much and
there's just too many potholes and obstacles for Joe Brady
or Ben Johnson. This is not the job. This is
not the job for those two guys. It's too big
as too many moving parts, too much dysfunction the two guys.
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Let's first talk Brian Flores because he's very interesting, been
a head coach, tremendous defensive resume, learned under the school
of Belichick. Has been in a dysfunctional organization. He created
some of it and he failed, but he created a
culture and a defense very quickly. Now he's intense. He
didn't get along with Tua. He's acknowledged it, he's been reflective.
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I wouldn't make him my first choice, but I've said
all you Brian Flores deserves a head coaching job. He's
just too damn good at defense. And he's also been willing.
He's not a stubborn guy. He has gone to the
podium and said, hey, man, I wish I could do
the to a thing differently. And I know internet trolls
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want you to believe that they're perfect, but most of
us make mistakes in our life all the time. Nick
Saban was just talking about this the other day on
TV when he took the Dolphins job, and he had
a couple of funny lines that you just you make mistakes,
you make choices if you're aggressive, and Brian Flores is
a hyper aggressive guy. But he deserves a second job.
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He is a really good coach. He would be my
one a but my one would be Mike Frabel because
he's been a head coach for six years, he's been
part of a dynasty, he got to a conference championship
with Ryan Tannehill, and most of all, he is a
culture changer. And I talked about this yesterday. If you
look at organizations that were really a mess, like the
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Charge with Brandon Staley, the Lions forever, it wasn't just
guys who were schemers, it was culture changers. Jim Harbaugh
has changed the way we think about the Chargers, Dan Campbell,
the Biding kneecap stuff. He's not a scheme expert. What
he is is a culture changer, and I think that matters.
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When Green Bay was looking for a coach, I'll never
forget this. I got to call it on Matt Lafleur
and I called around and I said, what do you
know about Matt Lafleur And the question was, well, mcveay, Shanahan,
and Lafleur are tight. Mcvey's the culture guy. Hanson walks
into a big, big lot of confidence. He's the culture changer.
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And he did that to the Rams literally in two weeks.
Whereas Lafleur was really good with schemes, could develop into
a big presence. But Green Bay wasn't a mess. Green
Bay wins, they draft and develop well. What they needed
is somebody to get along with Aaron Rodgers and somebody
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that with their draft and development program, and they're smart,
mostly frugal free agent signings. It didn't need somebody to
blow it up. Aaron and McCarthy didn't get along. Laflora
gets along with everybody in the league, and so it's different.
Oregonists San Francisco when they hired Kyle Shannan, they had
good ownership, they had some good players. They needed a
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scheme expert. So not every team needs the same thing.
Vrabel's my choice in Chicago. He's a culture guy. He's
had dysfunction in Tennessee. But I gotta tell you, Brian
Floores is a strong one a to me because I
watched them go to Miami. He may have messed up
to two a thing, and defensive coaches aren't always great
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in the offensive rooms. But I think Rabel's to play here,
and I think it's an easy one. And also, the
Bears could have had Jim Harbaugh who wanted the job
and passed on it. This organization could have already solved
their cultural issues and they passed. Don't pass again, all right,
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we got a lot of stuff going on. Nick Wright
heard hierarchy Philadelphia Eagles, you're already getting now, Philadelphia Sports
Radio creates more controversies than any sports radio in the country.
They already got players for the Eagles squawking and talking
and disrupting.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Kind of self inflicted by Graham. He just popped off,
Hey can I go back to the Bears for suck?
So we're hearing a lot of Belichick stuff this morning.
I don't know who the Chicago guy is who's reporting
this stuff. You said he's credible. How are the Bears
not considering Bill Belichick?
Speaker 2 (10:44):
What is that about?
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Because I think Belichick. I think Belichick's interest in Carolina
tells you where his head's at is That now it's
about his legacy and his kids. Also builds a lifetime
AFC guy. You know he the Giants, that's a long
time ago. It was the Jets, no thank you, it
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was the Browns, it was the Patriots. I don't think
he fits in Chicago, and I think there are different
stages people are in their life. I think when Andy
Reid went to Kansas City, he's in his fifties and
he wanted to prove Philadelphia made a mistake. Bill doesn't
need to prove anything at the NFL level. He's got
the vote, the rings, the House, Nantucket, the new girlfriend.
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He didn't need to prove anything. College is about legacy,
and I think that's a different state. Harbaugh, by the way,
he left that NFL stone unturned. He got to a
Super Bowl, did not get along with Trent baal Key,
but the forty nine ers in the front office. So
he wanted to prove, Hey, give me an organization where
I can bring all my guys in and all win.
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You a ring that has a legitimate quarterback. So Harball
had something to prove because day one in San Francisco,
he and Trent Bulky battled. He's like, no, no, I
want all my guys and so they allowed that. So
I don't think Bill has anything to prove.
Speaker 5 (12:03):
I get that, But Colin, would I hear somebody.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
And again I don't know who this guy is reporting this,
but this idea that Joe Brady is on the Bears
list and Bill Belichick is not.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
I hear that. I'm out, I'm out. Forget the future, Colin, They're.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Not going anywhere.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
Joe Brady.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Come on, well, I said, I don't think Brady or
Ben Johnson they are not equipped to deal with this.
There's also now a reported rift between Ryan Poles, the
GM who I think is pretty good. I like him.
I think Ryan Poles is pretty good. I think he
missed on the Chase Claypool thing, but everybody misses on receivers. Okay,
it's a position with a lot of drama and personality.
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I think Poles is pretty darn good. I like him,
and I actually think the offensive line choices I like too.
I don't think this staff was equipped to make those
young players better. But now Kevin Warren and Ryan Poles
their story. They don't get along enough. You watched at
the press conference, Yeah, it was tense and weird.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
Instantly the next morning was like, what's going on there
behind the scenes?
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Now pretty I think there are different times to hire
different people. To me, Vrabel is the clear choice for Chicago.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Those names, yeah, I would agree. Be sure to catch
live editions of The Herd weekdays and Noone Eastern nn
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Speaker 1 (13:19):
So it's like Buffalo Bill's coach Sean McDermott, listen to
our opening rant yesterday, which is, why do you keep
wasting these incredible Josh Allen games. Patrick Mahomes is fourteen
and two in his games where he's had four hundred
plus yards, Josh Allen's four and five. They are wasting
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the prime years of his life. And Sean McDermott addressed
that criticism.
Speaker 6 (13:46):
We got to do a better job around him. You
got to score forty some points and even then you're
holding your breath to win, right, So you know, sometimes
if you look at it the right way and you're
to make the adjustments you have to make, sometimes this
can be as hard as it is a good reminder
of what you need to do every week in this
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league and how we have to adjust as a football team.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
In a big picture. Let's be honest. The owner of
the Bills is good, the GM is good, My people
love him, The quarterbacks a superstar, and the coach is good.
Reid and Mahomes are both great great There's a difference,
and so if you're going to make a move, you
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better have the right guy. But Sean McDermott is absolutely
a very good coach. Got to the playoffs with Tyrod Taylor,
and I think the Bills have become a little bit
like the Warriors with Mark Jackson as their head coach.
Mark Jackson came in changed the culture. It's a losing organization,
established a foundation, got them very quickly to back to
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back winning seasons. They won fifty games, and that hadn't
happened for the Warriors in a long time. Mark Jackson
and Sean McDermott are good coaches and good men. And
then Steve Kerk came in and he was just a
better fit for the offensive star Steph Curry, who Kerr
made into a superstar, all star to a superstar. And
he also got the most out of Draymond Green. So again,
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Mark Jackson was good in Sean McDermott is good. Do
I think if if if Allen would have inherited Andy Reid,
do I think it's different. Yes, But there's only one
Andy Reid. So in the end. The other thing with
Buffalo is they got to be careful here because they've
got this thing hanging over the franchise, this runner up history.
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If the if the Bills had Jim Kelly won a couple,
let's say Jim Kelly won a ring and Josh Allen
won one ring, they'd have They'd have their two great
quarterbacks would have rings. I don't even think you'd feel
the same. It's like, oh, they'll get another one, but
when you couldn't get one with Kelly and you got
the most gifted quarterback in the league. He is more
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gifted than Mahomes. It may be close, but he's bigger, stronger,
better runner, huge arm and you don't have any I
mean in Jim Kelly and Josh Allen are all time stuff, right,
all time stuff, and you got nothing to show for it.
And so that game against the Rams felt like that loss,
that thirteen seconds to go, have a lead, lose to
Kansas City, And as I said, don't take anything away
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from Matt Stafford. You know how I feel about Matt Stafford.
You know, everybody in the world feels about Matt Stafford.
He's an Ald timer two. But you looked at that
game and you're like, come on, Sean blocked punt nine
players on the field, final play, Wasting a time out
at the goal line just doesn't feel quite buttoned up.
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And it's like Mark Jackson was good, but it was
Kerr that took the star and made him a superstar.
Steph Curry and I kind of feel like they're wasting
I mean, if they lose again in a wild shootout,
it's not that day lost. It was that it was
so easy for the Rams to move the ball and
a block punk and nine guys on the field, and
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as Tom Brady accurately pointed out, wasting a time out
of the goal line. It didn't eventually matter, but it
could have, and against the Chiefs it could. J Mack
with the news.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
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Speaker 5 (17:25):
All right, let's start with the big game in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
Sunday on Fox, Steelers head to Philly to take on
the Eagles. Russell Wilson, What a season he's having won
six of his seventh starts.
Speaker 5 (17:37):
Colin, you love him. Tom loves them.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Everybody loves them. He loves them.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Speaking to the media after their win on Sunday, Russ
talked about just how good of a coach Tomlin is.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
I think, obviously coach tomin is, you know, my opinion,
the best coach coach in the National Football League, maybe
all of sports in my opinion.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
You know, I think how he leads us, how.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
He communicates, his demeanor, you know, his passion for winning
and and and what it takes to win. You know,
it's a special thing. It's a special it's a special thing,
and I can't explain it enough to you guys.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
You know how great he is as a.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Leader and the culture here. You know, it's funny he
had Pete Carroll, All Timer, Sean Payton All Timer, and
Mike Tomlin. Is there any quarterback who's three coaches have
all been Hall of Fame level? Ever, I don't think
it's ever happened. I mean, seriously, he went from Pete Carroll,
Sean Payton and Mike Tomlin. And for the record, sew
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didn't have anything against Russell, but his view of how
he needed it to work is not what Russell could do.
And you're watching it with bow Nicks and by the way,
sum of it was russell own office, massive salary. Sean
looked at the rebuild and thought we can't do a
massive rebuild without draft picks and with his salary. So
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it wasn't that Russell Wilson was terrible and Boonix is great. Numbers.
I do think it's very unique that he's had those
three coaches, But don't.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
Forget about Nathaniel Hackett as well well.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
That that that was a mess.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
He deserves to be mentioned.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
A couple a couple of numbers we got here Steelers
are underdogs. I see four and a half on the screen,
but it's it's going to be dropping. We're gonna see
some fours here. I disagree with that.
Speaker 5 (19:21):
I will be buying Philly at four.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
I just saw a report that Pickens could play this week,
but Tomlin is describing him as doubtful.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
That's not good.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
That's not good. That they are they are, they're different
without Pickings there, he is a He is the icing
on the whole cake. He makes it. It just looks
and tastes better. I mean car Special, the Browns.
Speaker 5 (19:43):
You know.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
Without Pickens, it's another to attack the Eagles, who are
going to be really into this game. Steelers have not
won in Philly since nineteen sixty five. Good these two
don't don't seem like they play that The link is
going to be quite a season.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Ray.
Speaker 5 (19:58):
Next up is the for Niners Colin.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
They snapped a pregame losing streak blasting the Bears.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
I cannot believe. I like this.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
This is a huge, huge Thursday night game.
Speaker 5 (20:08):
Yeah, forty nine Ers.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
They only have an eight percent chance of making the playoffs,
two games back of the final wild card spot.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
George Kittle is undeterred.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
Believes they can sneak into the playoffs with the right approach.
Speaker 7 (20:21):
The message was we need to play with more of
a sense of urgency and played desperate. Guys just put
put it all out there because we have the players,
we have the playmakers, we have the play call, and
we have everything to win games, but like, we have
to do it out of desperation. When you're playing desperate
and you're playing like, hey, if we don't win this game,
our season potentially is over. That desperation fuels guys in
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different ways.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
So historically Shanahan has dominated LA Floor, though they choked
away a game earlier this year.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
I don't know if you remember that, you said, McVeagh.
Speaker 5 (20:54):
I'm sorry McVeigh.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
So who do you like in this game? What is
your gut instinct? Because I don't think the Rams can
play a perfect football game. Back to back, I thought
they were literally you could go to that game and
that's as well as they played since the Super Bowl.
I thought they were spectacular special teams.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
Well, they had that game at Baltimore last year, remember
in the rain where they lost that.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
They did lose that.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
Yeah, So I look at the guysers here I.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Think I'm gonna lean Niners. I don't think. I mean,
even at the college level, you could never get a
team to play back because you got young kids. They're
emotional even at the pro level. Man, when you go
back and look at that Rams game. If you know how,
sometimes you'll be on a flight and all of a
sudden you go to the NFL network on the flight
and they'll have like an old NFL game. And if
this ever pops up in the NFL network and you're
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watching it a year from now, you're gonna watch the
Rams and go, how did they not win the Super
Bowl that year? They were incredible?
Speaker 5 (21:47):
So I'm looking at the Niners depth chart.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
Gorendo, the guy who's backing up Jordan Mason and McCaffrey.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
He left Sunday's game injured.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
They're running backs as of now, are someone named Patrick
Taylor and Keishawn Vaughn.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:59):
Yeah, the Niners are.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
As beat up as any team in the league. So
there is a world where Stafford continues to cook and
Pooka Nikoua has another fifteen for a two.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
But he's banged up too. Pookah, he's a little he
wasn't so I I this is gonna be last week
are I'll tell you Amazon's done a good job. We
have got some spectacular Thursday night game.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
A week ago this time, this game did not look
good because people were like, oh, the Rams are gonna
lose to the Bills, and everybody the money was pouring
in on the Bears. You know, that game was at
like six and it closed at three. Everybody bet the
Bears and they didn't show up in the Niners one.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
So now this game matters. I guess I would lean
Niners slightly.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
I think it's my slight lane.
Speaker 5 (22:44):
I don't, I don't.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
It's pizza money if anything. That's not a game with
conviction that I have. There's some better games on the
board we'll get to later in the week. Final story, Colin,
I'm kind of sort of obsessed with this Bill Belichick
North Carolina stuff.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
This story is moving quickly.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
As an update this morning says Belichick has agreed to
become the new next the next North Carolina head go. However, however,
it's not Rapaport or shifter or any We talked about
this yesterday. This was our prediction yesterday that today there
would be an announcement. You do not meet with somebody
for five hours, and it's just not small talk. You're
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talking about structure of staff, you're talking budget. So Bill
Belichick literally within five hours.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
And Bill's imminently qualified to dive into the structure and
the details of college football. He knows how the game works.
Bill came in with a folder, and he came he
came with AMO.
Speaker 5 (23:43):
You say a folder, it's more of a thick binder.
They're saying.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
It's a four hundred age organizational bible of conditions. Now,
this is the only thing I don't like about this.
It includes structure, payment plans, and staffing. Apparently Belichick is
unwilling to negotiate.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
He came North Carolina say here's my four.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
Hundred this is how I'm gonna run your program. We're
gonna make an NFL factory. It's gonna be awesome. But
apparently he's unwilling to negotiate it. Well, they say, hey,
page seventy three, we don't like this. Sorry, So I
let me just state this. I would not hire.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Him if you North Carolina, I would note it's it's
it's easily a top twenty job. You can get a
lot of good people. Carolina is a.
Speaker 5 (24:24):
A lot of good people. This guy's won Max Brown
than any coach Brown, pretty good Brown compared to Bill Belichick.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
As a college coach, Mac Brown's proven. Oh my god,
I mean again, don't prove us college. Come back Brown.
I'm just telling you Mac Brown, turn that program around.
He did a great job and he came back into
a very good job.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
We're talking about Bill Belichick.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
We're talking about NFL head coach who is stubborn seventy
and these are my demands. I'm just saying. As a university,
this is not. Let me just say this. This is
not the BC job, This is not This is not
Washingington State. Carolina is a well capitalized, massive basketball lacrosse.
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I mean, if you look at the Sears Cup, this
is this is a really heady group of smart people
that run it. Their alumni list is not just sports,
but they're alumni list for academics and business achievement is
very impressive. Maybe not in Duke. They don't have presidents,
but it's a very impressive school.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
I'm nil collective is not delivering. Michael Jordan's not involved
all these.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Great Well, how do you know Belichick's going to do anything.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
Well, I mean, I don't know if Bill Belichick shows
up and is like, hey, Mike an a couple.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
In negotiation and you're not reasonably flexible. And I'm not
not saying Bill doesn't have some leverage here. He's Bill Belichick.
But this whole these are my demands, Like, well.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
Let's hope this report is accurate, but I listen, some
of us are unwilling to negotiate.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
You know, I think it.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Isn't Bill Belichick. He's won a lot, you will win
in the NFL. If I told you two things can happen.
He becomes as good as Saban in college or it's
a complete mess and you had to choose one.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
Well, it's the acc I would lean closer to Saban,
all right, and then you okay, could Belichick get North
Carolina to the College football Playoff within two years?
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Well, I mean, sm use in it exactly. I think
you's you know you're giving me this binary choice. Binary choice.
My take is eight coaches could if you hire the
right guy, go to SMU and hire that coach. How
about Lance Leopold at Kansas, take him to Carolina. They're
gonna win the ACC in two years.
Speaker 5 (26:40):
Real good job?
Speaker 4 (26:41):
He is he getting one hundred million dollar bump in
your nil collective.
Speaker 5 (26:44):
Lance Lee. There's no guarantee, there's no there's no guarantees
in like.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
But Bill Belichick is a big time name, a proven winner.
And if I'm in the transfer portal, I'm your your guy,
Miller Moss or whatever his name is from USC Belichick. Yeah,
he probably knows something about being a quarterback in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
That's what I want to be.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
I want to go there, and I do believe they
will clean up in the transfer portal and Belichick could
get them into the playoff.
Speaker 5 (27:08):
I would not be shocked next year by the way.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
North Carolina had Sam Howell and Drake May two NFL
quarterbacks in the last like five years, so they've.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Got by the side. Belichick couldn't stand Drake May as
a prospect, which is weird, not great, not great. He
can't spot offensive talent. Didn't think Drake May had it
in him. Seven games into this year, were like, yeah,
Drake May's really good.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
Not great. You know they're gonna have a GM to control.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
The hopefully he can control personnel. Yeah, instead of drafting
interior lineman and Kickers. Boy, you love just d I
got nothing against Belichick. I worshiped at the aultar of
Bill forever. But you are people are being intellectually dishonest.
If you go to the Boston media, you know belgrin
maz my guys, you go ask them about Belichick's personnel
moves the last six years atrocious?
Speaker 5 (27:55):
What about fifteen years before that?
Speaker 1 (27:57):
He was Tom Brady has little to do with that.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
Yeah, other guys were involved. Yeah, I know, Okay, Brady
was kind of important.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Josh McDaniel, guy best oh see in the game for years,
sort of radio guy. He's not heaving me.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
Those are the guys who were like brown bags on
their head to football games.
Speaker 5 (28:13):
You're listening to their credible Give me a break.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
I will decide who's credible. Jamack with the news, Well that's.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
The news, and thanks for stopping by the heard Line news.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Something that I like. Rodney Dangerfield, but at seventy five
he shouldn't be opening at the Apollo, right. I tell you,
it's like, Okay, you were great twenty five years ago.
I tell you, Okay, I've lost myself a little here.
You didn't think you're gonna get a Rodney Danger feel.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
It's your best impression I've ever heard.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Okay, I'm whatever because show's gone sideways, my lack of essalism.
I got a lot of stuff to talk about, Nick
right top of the hour.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
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Only on Fox.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
So the Philadelphia Eagles have two holiday traditions. Number one
of the Jason Kelsey Christmas album was always a thing
and number two getting in their own way always drama Philadelphia.
Not exactly sure why, but even when they're winning, there's drama.
They're not happy unless they're grumbling and unhappy. So Brandon Graham,
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a great football player, went on a radio station in
Philadelphia WIP and said the Jalen Hurts relationship with A J.
Brown is not the same I.
Speaker 8 (30:09):
Don't know the whole story, but I know that one
is trying to and I mean, I love it to
be a little better with how he responds to things.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
And they was friends before this.
Speaker 8 (30:20):
He's like man, but things have changed, and I understand
that because life happens. But we gotta it's the business
side that we have to make sure that we don't
let the personal get in the way of the business.
Speaker 5 (30:31):
And that's what we got to do better as right
now because we know it's the issue. Everybody's seeing with
some things, but we.
Speaker 8 (30:40):
Need to be able to talk talk things out as men.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Now that's about as honest as you're gonna get. Everybody
can backtrack them are honest. Words like AJ Brown and
Jalen Hurts are not guys. They're struggling. So the team
is Kennano. When AJ Brown plays, but he wants about
twelve targets a game, he wants to look like Jamar
Chase and that's not this team. So he's valuable, but
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that's not this team. And clearly the Eagles staff since
the bye week has been very intentional. They're now a
run first team. They pass less and run more. They
are led by Saquon Barkley. That is intentional, and they
don't turn the ball over as much. And I agree
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with it, and I love AJ Brown. This is not
Cincinnati where they let Joe Mixon go and they have
to pass. Saquon Barkley's probably right now the best running
back in the league certainly, I mean short list one
or two. And McCaffrey's healthy. So and here's the point. Okay, fine,
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but Nick Siriani doesn't deal with personnel. That's Howie Roseman
the great GM. He doesn't call plays. This is Nick
Sirianni's job. He's got no other job. He'd a known.
He didn't run, he doesn't draft, he doesn't call plays,
he doesn't worry about the defensive side. What does Nick
Sirianni do? This is his task to make the locker
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room work. So, I mean, in this current structure in Philadelphia,
they've taken everything away from him other than motivation and
the culture. Okay, your culture's got a ding to it.
And again, Philadelphia is very unique. When teams win eight
or nine straight games, it erases all the nonsense. But
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Aj Brown is verbal. Now, let me just say this.
Mike Tomlin with George Pickens just sat him down and
said grow up. Belichick will ship you out of town.
John Harbaugh, Deontay Johnson, you're suspended. Like I've seen the
Andy Reid When Tyreek Hill was getting noisy and wanted
more money, they moved Tyreek Hill out and said, okay,
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we'll start over. We're not going to build the team
around Tyreek Hill. It's a Mahomes Kelsey Christian Owns organization.
We love Tyreek Hill. And they went back to back
super Bowls, moving off Tyreek kil who wanted more money
into be the vocal point. And that's okay, I get it.
But this is why Nick Siriani's the coach. He's not
a personnel guy. He's not Sean Payton helped reconstruct the roster.
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He doesn't need that. And he's not a play calling guy.
So to me, whatever wins games, you go with. And
I think what the Philadelphia Eagles staff and coaching group
is acknowledging his Jalen Hurts is very good. But he's
not Matt Stafford. He's not Mahomes, he's not Joe Burrow
or Josh Allen. From the pocket, he was a second
round quarterback. He can be the centerpiece of an offense.
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But he's not a guy. Greg Cosel's been saying this
for two years. You're not going to put him in
the pocket. And he's not going to go throw to
throw with Burrough, Stafford Mahomes. It's not what he is.
Everybody's got different gifts. Russell Wilson's a little bit like this.
Everybody's got different gifts. So Philadelphia is a unique organization.
I think AJ Brown sometimes Saquon Barkley's on a heater.
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I think sometimes in life and in business, you just
got to admit, like it's like when you're playing basketball
at the Why and somebody is red hot. It's not
your moment, it's not your time. That's not you, j Mac.
You can say it is, but it's not. But in
the end, sometimes it's somebody else's time. And this is
a this is a Saquon Barkley led team. It should be.
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It's not a coach led team, and it's not a
wide receiver led team. But but what Brandon Graham was
talking about, and everybody will try to diffuse it, those
are real words. That's what's happening. And Aj wants the
ball and he's getting like six and a half targets
for this offense, that's what you're gonna get. Again, Cincinnati
did never run gate. Jamar kay is gonna get fourteen targets.
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But that's a whole different ballgame. So and I will
say this, I do think A. J. Brown is sensitive
because in Tennessee he wanted more targets and they had
Derrick Henry. So he's like, why do I always end
up with a first offense? I got Derrick Henry, and
now I got Saquon Barkley, and he's the one receiver
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in the league. It's like justin Jefferson, Jamar Chase, You're
watching these other receivers, Tyreek Hill, they get all the attention.
AJ's like, I'm as good as these guys. Well, it's
just circumstance. You inherited when you got there Derrick Henry
and now at Saquon Barkley, and they just happened to
be in their prime as good as any running back
in the league not named Christian McCaffrey. So it is.
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There was a moment last night in the Cowboys Bengals game,
and not much drives me crazy in sports, and I
understand that, Like I don't know how to work the
board in the back. I don't know where all the
levers mean. And I've been I've been in radio and
TV for thirty years, but I don't know every part
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of it. But I do know what you can say
and can't say on the air. I know the FCC's words.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
I know that.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
And as a player, I don't expect you to follow
the draft, understand the cap, but you got to know
the rules. And so last night, the Cowboys block a punt.
But the way it works with punts, there is no
partially blocked punt. If you block a punt and it
goes past the line of scrimmage, it's a punt. Don't
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touch it. And here's the radio call from the Dallas Cowboys,
who apparently did not know the rules of the punt.
All right, here's the punt by Ryan Raco. Got it
is blocked? Got it the BEng that you're going to
have the bone? No, can't touch it. That did not
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just happen.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
That just happened.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
So and again, the Cowboys have, you know, a above
average special teams coach, and I understand it's a locker
room full of young men and they're getting paid and
it's exciting. And they don't know every rule. We saw
this in the Super Bowl. I see I put a
lot of the onus here, not in the player, on
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the coach. I really do. And I'll give you an example.
Why remember the Super Bowl Kansas City and San Francisco,
and the San Francisco players didn't know of a new
Super Bowl rule that had just been enacted. Is that
unlike the regular season where if you get the ball
in overtime and score a touchdown, you win the game.
But in the Super Bowl this year they enacted a
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new rule going forward that if you score a touchdown
going forward in the Super Bowl overtime, the other team
still gets the ball. San Francisco players had no idea.
Kansas City players not only had an idea, but had
a game plan for it. And I love Shanahan, but
that was not a good moment for him. We can
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bang on the player here and they should know. But
the truth is, sometimes coaches have to remind young players
about some of the rules. So I'll show you another
one that there's two rules in football, because this one
happens very infrequently. The two things that happen every week
that drive me crazy is the backwards pass Miami does
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this a lot, and it's like, that's a live ball.
Tennessee picks that up. That's a live ball. That's a
change of possession. When the ball is passed backwards, you
gotta get it out of bounds or falling it. And
it happens every weekend. You gotta know that offensive players.
I saw Tyreek Hill do it a couple months ago.
It drove me crazy. The other one that drives me
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crazy is when you have a big completion. Plaxico buristed
this years ago. He wasn't touched, he spiked the ball.
You're a live player if you catch the ball and
are not touched and go to the ground in the NFL,
Now college you're down NFL, you can get up and run.
So that means defensive backs, when you're guarding somebody, they
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catch it and you don't touch them, you gotta go
over and had them or touch them. You don't have
to tackle them, you got to touch them. Plaxico Burris
didn't know as an offensive player, Dude, you were un touched,
get up and run. So again, I can just lament
all of these and they do all drive me crazy,
and I can just crush the players who I do
think in that you don't have to know every rule
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as a running back or a wide receiver, but as
a running back you have to know the backwards pass rule.
And as a receiver or a dB, you have to
know that if you're untouched after a catch, get up
and run. You got to know that. I'm not asking
wide receivers who don't play special teams to know everything,
but I think a lot of times it falls on coaching.
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I have talked to so many players that played under
Bill Belichick. They practiced everything. Remember that Super Bowl against Seattle,
the Malcolm Butler pick. I mean they knew what was coming.
Seattle sideline was disoriented, not New England's, not New England's.
They were ready to go. You can crush the player.
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I'm gonna look at the coach to remind players of
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