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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Is a Wednesday, busier than we could have expected live
in Los Angeles. It's the Herd. Wherever you may be
and however you may be listening. Thanks for making us
part of your day, Joel Clatt. One hour we go
into the biggest college football weekend of the year this Saturday,
massive games all over college football, biggest Saturday by far,
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and Joel Klatt will have his opinions in one hour
from now. All right, j MAAC. For the second time
in three years, here are the San Diego Padres. The
cocky San Diego Padres are one game away from eliminating
the big payroll classy leave the baseball world in attendance
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La Dodgers. They beat him six to five last night.
Dodgers essentially have had one big inning the whole series. Yeah,
and a grand Slam last night.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
But that was it.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Yeah, they had one to one big inning. So here
we go. Because the Dodgers pushed Shoho Tawny's salary down
the road, they only rank fifth in payroll, but they're
fudging the numbers. The Dodgers spent over a billion dollars
just this year in free agency. Next closest in Major
Big Baseball was a little over three hundred thousand dollars. Okay,
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so let's not kid ourselves that this is the best
team money can buy right now. The Dodgers have rewarded
their fans though they do almost everything right. They've won
the Division eleven of twelve years. It's a gorgeous, beautiful
stadium environment. They're patient, they lean heavy into analytics, patient
with their manager. Their R and D is incredible. They
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almost never make a bad trade. All their young guys
come up and flourished. It is a really, really sharp organization.
But they are two butts. But last two years, starting
pitching can't stay healthy. Only one guy right now pitching
in the playoffs was in their starting rotation to start
the year. They can't keep people healthy, pitchers healthy. The
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second thing is the second butt. The Podreys that have
become their primary rival. And they're really good, and they're young,
and the Potteris are cocky, and they're hungry, and they
got more swag, and they're not the least bit intimidated
by the Dodgers. The Dodgers are, you know, let's be honest.
They're classy o Tani and bets and freeman veterans. Their
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classy Podreys are rebels, profars, taunting the fans, tat Tis,
doing hip thrusts and dancing in the outfield. Manny Machado
apparently through a baseball and the Dodgers dugout. They're rebels
and they don't care. And all they care is that
San Diego loves them. It may be a short drive.
It's a world apart the Dodgers and the Padres. Through
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three games. One of these teams has an edge, and
it's the Padres. They look at it now. Now, for
the record, I'm all for Major League Baseball having more personality.
It's needed it for years. I grew up in the
seventies eighties, there was a ton of personality. It got muted.
And the Padres are overflowing with personality. But they deliver,
and but they produce, so they're good for baseball. The
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stadium's rocking in San Diego. The players are cocky and
they're hungry, and it works. I mean this, and also
I do believe this massive LA payroll has put some
pressure on this team. I mean, the Dodgers are only
hitting two sixteen in it. It feels like everybody's trying
to get the big home run, all these high priced guys.
Everybody's just swinging for the big home run to be
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the hero. They're not stringing hits together. Forget the era
that's over seven. In fact, the only Dodger you know,
the guy that's really hitting Teoscar Hernandez. He's the only
Dodger right one year contract. He's the hungry one, comes
from I think Sea at least trying to prove it.
One year contract. He's the young, hungry one. He's the
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guy that like, hey, I gotta prove. These guys are rich.
They're great, they're Hall of famers, but they don't have
the edge of the Podres. The Podres are cocky and young,
and they're rebels and they're pushing back and they don't care,
and they clearly in this series have an edge. The
Dodgers have had one beginning. Then they can't string hits together.
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You can blame blame the manager. That's what they do
at the end of every Dodger season. But the truth
is this organization, one of their straints, one of their
many is they have like cohesion and continuity. They're the
opposite like the New York Jets. They're patient with their
minor league prospects. They're patient when players, pitchers get hurt.
They're patient with Dave Roberts. But right now baseball is
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in the urgency season and the Podreys are playing with it.
The Dodgers feel like this very expensive rocket and on
launch day every year there's malfunctions and there's clouds, and
the Podrays are going on thousand miles an hour with
a chip on both shoulders. They don't care. They've got
an edge. They're dancing, they're taunting Dodger fans and here's
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Manny Machado. After that feels great to win. You know,
we got one more left.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
And you know, looking forward to going out there and
battling tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
I mean, it's it's a grind.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
It's a grind. Baseball is a grind. So we've runded
twenty seven out tonight and it was a head of
a place to play in front of this crowd. This
crowd was rocking tonight, and we'll deserve for the city
of San Diego.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
So the series is not over by a long shot.
But if you're watching it, there is no question there
is one team here playing very free, very loose, with
an edge with a chip and having a lot of
fun and feels no pressure. And that's down the four
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H five and the five. That's not the Dodgers, that's
the Podres. Okay, Aaron Rodgers' fingerprints are all over the
Robert solid firing. I presume many of you who would
turn into, watch or listen to a show like this
read about it yesterday. Let's be very clear. This is
Aaron Rodgers having his second coach fired. Now. I'm not
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going to bang on him for that, because Magic Johnson
got a coach fired, and John Elway got Dan Reeves fired,
and Tom Brady got Bruce Arians moved upstairs and Lebron.
I don't have time for all the Lebron pushes out
the door. I counted three this morning. There may be six, okay,
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So and I love Lebron, So I'm not gonna bang
on Aaron for that. But what Aaron has become and
his whole brand now is lack of trust. He doesn't
trust the government, he doesn't trust Salah, he doesn't trust
the media. He doesn't. He's like alternative. He's become like
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very alternative. And I understand players wanting personality, but Elway
was mainstream, and Brady and Manning and Mahomes they play
within his system. They sacrifice, they don't bury their coach
at the podium. I'm all for personality. I get it.
Gronk and Travis Kelcey. But Gronk told you Bill get
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mad at me, and he laughed about it. Aaron doesn't
laugh about that stuff. It's snark a mile long. He
is not a conformist. He's anti authority and proud of it.
And I talked to Drew Brees about this yesterday, like
you don't have to love your head coach. But time
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and time and time again, it's Aaron at the podium,
firing back, making sure everybody knows he doesn't take the hit.
Drew Brees had an intense coach and Sean Payton. You
watched Peyton screaming at bo Nick's this past weekend. I
know Sean, I go to dinner with Sean. Sean's intense.
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But Drew says, there's a way to handle the podium.
Speaker 5 (08:35):
There's probably some things that Salah said publicly that we
were better just to be kept you know, private, and
then there were probably reactions from Aaron that he probably
should have just eaten and said, you know, hey, I'm
gonna go, you know, face to face with the head
coach and work out whatever it is. I would always
take the approach as a player that if the coach
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said something that even if I didn't agree with im,
I'm not gonna I'm not going to disagree with him.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
I'm not going to play that out in the media.
Speaker 5 (09:04):
I'm gonna go talk to him one on one, you know,
man and man player coach and come up with a solution.
Speaker 6 (09:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Aaron doesn't do that ever, under yse circumstances. He'll go passive,
aggressive or direct defend his territory. Nonconformist l Way, Brady Manning,
you know, the all time greats better than Aaron understood.
You can have a personality, but it's a conformist league
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for coaches. And quarterbacks. And I know Aaron doesn't believe
anything in the media, but here's some cold hard facts.
I mean, he can do his own research, going to
Joe Rogan podcast and push back. But Aaron Rodgers since
twenty twenty two, you can google it, or maybe you
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know they're corrupted too, not very good, two different teams.
Since twenty twenty two, he has an eighty eight passer rating.
That's who Aaron is. A couple of games with three interceptions,
zero games throwing over three hundred yards. Last two weeks,
by the way, last two weeks, just the last two weeks,
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Aaron's had the lowest passer rating in the NFL. The
non conformist. It's not working. It's in this defensive coordinator,
now head coach, former player. I'm going to go with
sla as probably a better coach, maybe not, but I'm
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sure you can dispute all this stuff on a podcast.
But this is what Aaron's become. I'm not going to
crush him for getting a coach fired. Elway did magic
did Lebron's done it several times. That's not all I'm
going to do here. But what he's become is what
I've been saying for the last three years, he's just
not very good. He's not Packers Jets, they're the numbers.
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He's not very good. He's not as good as Kirk Cousins.
That's indisputable. He's not as good as Dak. He's not
look up the number like DA's had a lot of weapons,
not like Dak's Outside of ceedee lamb, what's stack have
Kirk Cousins playing on another team with a bunch of kids.
They're both better, all right, Joel Klatt. Biggest college football
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weekend of the year one hour. Adam Wainwright stops by
last hour. Ran into Derek Jeter in the hallway yesterday
here at Fox. Chatted him up. That guy looks great.
Play tomorrow. That looks great, And uh, this is this
Baseball lacks one thing and I think it would acknowledge
that one thing, and it's urgency. But when you get it,
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it's fascinating to watch the Mets in this urgent situation.
They feel like they're growing, Phillies kind of feel like
they're shrinking, and the Padres have a complete like, Hey,
let's go to the ballpark and have some fun with
our crowd. Dodgers feel a little tight, little tight.
Speaker 7 (12:11):
Do you get a sense that MLB's considering going back
to a seven game series in this round because you're
watching this, you know, like geez, two losses and you're
already on the brink of your seat.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Well, you know, you know what that baseball has always
been that Right now, this morning, I think the Podrays
are the best team in baseball. I'm not saying they
were over the year. There was a time early in
the season the Phillies looked unbeatable. But right now, this second,
the Podrays have everything.
Speaker 7 (12:36):
It reminds me of when the New York Giants and
Eli Manning. They weren't the greatest team during they.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Lost to the Patriots the final week of the regular season.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Then in the playoffs you get hot for three games
and you're in.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
The super Bowl, and I new Podrays got to feel
alan by the way, it's when you have this is
very rare, when you have great talent and no pressure.
The Dodgers have taken all the pressure on the POD's tight. Yeah,
the Dodgers are the Southern California in your team that's
got all the money and all the pressure and leads
major League Baseball in attendance. The Podrays are these little
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upstart guys down south, but by the way, have just
as much talent and healthier pitching.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Listen, I know you like this Mets story.
Speaker 7 (13:12):
If the Yankees, uh, Phillies, and Dodgers are all down
to one on the brink of their season.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
As great as the playoffs have been, Colin, that's not great.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Let me chayath the Mets, I know and the Podreys
that that is a juicy world.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
So we've been waiting on Dodgers Yankees for you know,
you know who.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
We're not mentioning the Royals. They'll probably win the whole thing.
You Listen, baseball lack urgency, but when it has it,
some things become very clear. Dodgers feel a little tight,
they're not stringing hits together, and the Podrays are playing loose.
And it matters in these big environments. It matters in
all sports. You see it in the NBA. You see
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Jason Tatum getting tight. You see these big stars getting
tight and kind of kind of shrinking.
Speaker 7 (13:54):
Like the seven game series in the NBA, you get
you have more of a chance to rebound. You're down
oh two, it's not a death sentence. I mean, I'm
nervous about the Dodgers, feels like you.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
But by the way, that's great. You have to watch
that game. I know the ratings for the next you'll
be big Podras Dodgers game. They will break any records
at this company for a divisional series. They'll blow it
out of the water. It's goning out these games are
They're intense.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
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Speaker 1 (14:28):
Welcome back. It as an annual tradition where the NBA
General Managers, all thirty NBA General managers anonymously do the
preseason NBA GM Poll. It's NBA dot Com. There's no
media interference, no fake news, no agendas. It's just NBA
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dot Com. And eighty three percent of the GMS overwhelmingly
took the Celtics to win the title. Eighty three percent
and they overwhelmingly the GMS seventy seven percent took Wemby
as the player you'd start a franchise with. It should
be noted told you Luca already is not even the
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best player in his state to start a franchise with
three percent. Three percent. That could be a rounding ear.
I said it very early. He's much closer to Carmelo
Anthony than anybody wants to admit. Never in great shape,
difficult to play with, all offense, embarrassing defensive effort. Tell
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me where I'm wrong. Lucas going to end up being,
as I predicted, a much better version of mellow than
anything resembling a poor man's MJ. Three percent. That's it.
Sga got a higher percentage. This is also noteworthy all
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these of the only four players. Only four players got
votes to start a franchise with no American born players.
None wemb Sga, Jokic, and a smidge for Luca. What
about Jason Tatum? I was right on that one too.
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This might as well just be a Colin was right segment,
not even his own team's best player. The American basketball culture,
my friends, is broken. AAU is a gross money grab.
It's more about getting players paid than actually developing players.
That's what they do in Europe. So the AAU influencers, congratulations,
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you won. You got a bunch of young basketball players
who really aren't winning basketball players. A lot of hype,
a lot of skills, cool handles. You got them paid
and made them stars, and they don't win games, and
they don't influence outcomes, and they don't. It's highlights and
hype over chemistry and teamwork. So congratulations, individual over us,
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me over we and Adam Silver from day one has
leaned into it. It's all about creating stars. But it's funny.
The greatest star was on the Chicago Bulls and we
loved the team, not just Michael. That was the former
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commissioner rest in Pace, David Stern, who understood, as you
develop stars, you don't demonize college basketball. And it's not
just about the hype and the highlights. The Boston Celtics,
by the way, don't have a single player GMS voted
to start a franchise, but they are easily easily the
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best team because all those really great players for the
Celtics play together, cohesion and chemistry. Luca, let's just move
where Colin was right to Monday and Wednesday. Yeah, been
saying it for years. Track Suit Tony in the AAU
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basketball circuit just a gross money grab. Congrats on everybody
getting paid, including the AU coach. Congrats no American players
and you and and and by the way, this past draft.
You see his past draft. Jmack, you love the draft.
This past draft looks like Euros were top of that
one too. Thank god that kid from Duke coming up.
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Thank God it's our last hope. Jmack with the news.
This is the herd Conor flag for president? What are
your funny Cooper flag? My bad Cooper flag? Coward?
Speaker 4 (18:56):
You?
Speaker 3 (18:56):
I can't. I forgot how fun it is to talk
NBA dude that that was a good rd by you.
I couldn't stop laughing.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Is is it wrong?
Speaker 3 (19:03):
I'm not gonna come. We'll save it for another.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Or the record. Love Yo, Kitch, love Wemby, love SGA.
You gonna have Luca.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Free throw merchant SGA. You love him all right?
Speaker 7 (19:16):
Anyways, let's get to Mets Phillies last night. How about
that Mets, the Mets of your new team of destiny?
How you love those guys. The Mets get the win
seven to one, went away from clinching the franchises first
NLCS bers since twenty fifteen. Jose Kintana is slated to
start for the Mets. The Phillies will counter with Ranger Suarez.
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First pitch is at five eight.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
I actually I don't love the Mets. I like watching
their fans unravel when they lose. I think they're a
great story. I don't think they're a great team and
they're a great story. I really like Philadelphia, but again,
the pressures on Philadelphia. They come in as the favorite.
They have Bryce Harper, they were the hottest team in
the league, and so you're seeing both the Dodge and
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the Phillies these favorites, these legendary fan bases wilt a little.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
It's weird. I'm a Yankees fan.
Speaker 7 (20:08):
I don't dislike the Mets like I'm a Sechs fan.
I cannot stand the Giants. They're the worst, but this
Mets seems kind of likable. Like you said, I think
they've got some redeeming qualities. They don't have a Bryce Harper.
But this would be a shocker though, if the Phillies
went down, right, Oh.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
I think I think if the Phillies, yeah, I mean
I think of Phillies, Dodgers, NLCS. I mean, you're you're
looking at six Hall of Famers. I think the Mets
maybe a better story than the Phillies, better late inning team,
and the podres are just like contrarianto. Major League Baseball
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stuffy and stoic recent history, but I think Mets Podres
would be wild fun.
Speaker 7 (20:51):
Is it just me or is MLB kind of leaning
into the vibe and the aura around these games.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
You know how college football does more crowd shots.
Speaker 7 (20:58):
Than any other sport, focus on the fans a lot,
and I'm kind of like, let's just focus on the football.
But in baseball, I like those shots that they have
the angles of the crowd and these guys with their
swings and chuck in the backs. Like basically there is
like a romance with postseason base.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Yea, Baseball has been in about a ten to twelve
year run where TV ratings are down and relevance is down.
But what you can see is when in the big
cities and the big markets and the really good teams,
it is a huge local product. I mean, the Podres
run that city right now because the Chargers left, so
it is a San Diego is solely a Podres city,
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and it's got a great park and amazing fans, and
they put up with a lot through the year. This
is their best team ever in terms of talent. I
mean they also have the rookie of the year. So
I mean they have young you know stars, you know
guys that fill out a roster, but aren't stars. Dodgers
are a lot of top heavy stars. And so we
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said this a week ago, this had the makings of
the greatest two week stretch in National League playoff history
in terms of like drama and cities and brands and stars.
It is totally delivered.
Speaker 7 (22:08):
So you helped me get a dinner reservation last night, Idy,
say thank you, and I call up the game on
my phone and I'm watching it and I look around
the restaurant and two other people had their phones out
watching the game.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
There's a lot of.
Speaker 7 (22:20):
Interest in this Dodgers Padre series, especially out here in LA.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Right now.
Speaker 7 (22:23):
It's phenomenal. Next up Kansas City Chiefs. All they do
is win five and zero. Best team in the league.
Another super Bowl coming right probably. Patrick Mahomes says, while
the offense has been figuring out, the defense has really
been the story.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
They've been playing lights out.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
We've won different ways.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
I mean, at the end of the day, our defense
is planning to tell off and I think people are
starting to come to realize that even more.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
And so even when we're getting these field goals, they're
keeping us in these games.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Yeah they are, and we know it. It's okay. By
the way, it was Noah's Brad. There was only two
years where the Patriots offense clearly led defense, the Randy
mosh years, no titles. Those were clearly offensively dominant, But
early and late it was defense. I mean, Tom couldn't
Tom outside of Edelman the last four or five years,
who did Tom trust the throw to wide receiver Gronk Obviously, So,
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I mean it doesn't matter. What you need is the guidance, maturity,
pre snap knowledge of a Mahomes or at Brady. But
if you go look at Tom's early years and Tom's
late years, and that's where all the Super Bowls came from,
offense was good and efficient, but the firepower and the
control of the game was often the defense situationally overwhelming teams.
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Patriots rarely led the NFL in sacks, but they often
led the NFL in hurries and discomfort. And so this
if Mahomes is not having a very good year by
Mahomes standards or by any standards, and they won a
Super Bowl. Tom had a couple of those where he
wasn't MVP. He was good. He was Tom, but it's okay.
That's again. Tom did team friendly contracts, and even though
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Mahomes is highly paid, he can be paid more on
the open market. He could add forty percent to his contract,
but Mahomes has done pretty team friendly deals, always willing
to readjust his contract. And so Dak right now makes
more than an annual basis than Mahomes, and that allows
Kansas City to go grab Juju smith Schuster again and
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get Hollywood Brown again. They got just enough caps base
to add filler pieces for Mahomes.
Speaker 7 (24:23):
It is kind of we didn't really get to talk
about Monday Night football because of the Jet story yesterday.
But this Chiefs team, the scheme on offense and defense
is phenomenal. Like they lose Snead the great cornerback right
Colline and they had a missed de beat. They've played
the toughest schedule in the league yep. And the defense
is lockdown and our offense they got nobody.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
They're picking up.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Dudes off the street.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Jujus Smiths Schuster, nobody wanted him. Kareem Hunt, nobody wanted that.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
The Rams are trying to duplicate what Kansas City did
so what the Rams started doing a couple of years
ago and Kansas City started doing about three years ago,
is will pay one great defensive player, but we're gonna
draft heavy defense and stay very young and twitchy and
fast and athletic on defense, but pay for offense. Pay
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for Kelsey Tooney Mahomes. So what the Chiefs now are doing,
and Brett Beach has been on this for about three
or four years. We'll pay for Chris Jones, you pay
for an Aaron Donald, you pay for a Hutchinson in Detroit,
you pay for a TJ. Watt. The problem is the
Steelers pay too many other players after TJ. Watt. What
you want to do is pay for the great guy
in the front four and then just keep drafting and
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drafting and staying young and twitchy and fast and cheap
on defense. Pay for your offense, draft your defense.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
But you can't miss those draft picks. The Bengals have
whiffed on all of them. Like the Bengals defense does
not have a dunning young dude. Good dudes. The Chiefs defense,
they're not whiffing on these.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Well, that's because Brett Beach is a seven figure GM.
Speaker 7 (25:50):
How the hell do. They have the defensive coordinator who's
the best in the league. Spagnolo, you know how to
stop car He stopped him. Like we talked about a
pressure up the middle. He's just blitzed all the time.
They got the great Andy Reid and then they got
the GM.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Okay, because the Chiefs have the highest paid defensive coordinator,
you get what you pay for, and the highest paid
coach and one of the top highest paid quarterbacks and
I don't know, Brett Veach is probably top five or
six salary. You get what you pay for in every business.
The Bengals are cheap. They pay Burrow, they don't pay
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that Taylor much. They don't pay their defensive coordinator top
of the market. I would guess they don't. You know,
you get what you pay for their scouting department. The
Chiefs pay their scouts more than the Bengals play their scouts.
That's why they keep missing on players and the Chiefs
don't because the Hunt families ohways been willing to pay.
They don't have to pay top dollar. But the scouts
for the Chiefs are regarded in the NFL very highly
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thought of. The scouts for the Rams, Stan Cronk they're
highly thought of. You get what you pay for. Finally,
Dean Spanos pays for a coach. Okay, well, what do
you know, they look really well coached. You can try
to run this on a shoestring budget and get cheap.
You will always get what you pay for.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Shout out to the Chiefs. So they're having a great season.
Final story is the New England Patriots.
Speaker 7 (27:08):
Colin fans have been clamoring for Drake May and it's
official head coach, Gerrodmeo says rookie Drake May will start
Sunday against the Texans.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Jacoby Brissett goes to the bench.
Speaker 7 (27:20):
May had been taking thirty of practice reps with the starters.
Third overall pick is going to get a chance to
play Colin here it is.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Drake gives us the best chance to win now and
going forward.
Speaker 5 (27:34):
He's been developed.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
I mean he's been getting better every single week.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
As I said before.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
You know, at the end of training camp he actually
was trending, you know, at a very high rate, and
that is continue through the early part of the season.
We'll surprised they didn't wait a week.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
I'm surprised they didn't wait till Thanksgiving but this is
the impatient culture we have. This again very predictable. We
said Drake May would eventually play. If you look at
their schedule.
Speaker 7 (28:02):
I mean next week against the Jacks, I mean there's
just more of a layup. The Jags defense is not
very good against Hunter will Anderson. These guys are gonna
annihilate this backup Patriots offensive line. I mean, Drake May,
do you know how bad the Patriots offensive line is?
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Like four of the guys are hurt.
Speaker 7 (28:18):
I mean, they've got the worst right tackle situation in
the NFL. They're on a backup center who's graded out
as the worst center in the league. There's a chance
Drake May is just getting thrown to the Wolves. I
don't know why they're doing this now. This is not
smart football with your with your number number three overall
pick number two.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Yeah, I mean it was gonna happen. I mean, where
should you have done it? When when they.
Speaker 7 (28:39):
Face this week against the Jags, the Jags defense can't
do anything. I know, they got a couple of good
defensive linemenber it's the Jags.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
They give up thirty five points.
Speaker 7 (28:45):
Everybody, good luck to Are you gonna pick this game
by the way.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
I don't want to give away my secrets, but the Taxans,
even though they're a touchdown favorite, feel like to play.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Nico Collins officially not gonna go this week. Does that worry?
I mean, they couldn't do anything without him.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
I mean, I think it's an ugly, choppy game. I think,
I mean it's not one of the best games on
the board. The number is appropriate, it's a seven point spread.
It feels like it feels like, you know, twenty three
seventeen that it's on the right number. It feels like to.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
Me, be careful Texans going outdoors.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Yeah, they're not the same team. No Joe Mixon out again?
Was he is he playing it? He was that way
the last today.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
He's on my fantasy bench. I'm waiting for this guy.
He's good football player.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Man, They're not the same offense without no Jmack with
the news, Well.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
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Speaker 1 (29:40):
I'm looking at this who the Jets are going to hire?
According to Jeremy Fowler, Ben Johnson, Todd Monkin and Bobby Slowick.
Another coordinator you see salah Adam Gaze anur coordinator. Okay,
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Speaker 2 (30:03):
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Speaker 1 (30:06):
Not a im pacific Aaron Rodgers saying today he resents
the insinuation that he had anything to do with the firing. Folks,
you don't have to call for a code read. You
can imply it. I'll say it again, the idea that
Woody Johnson on his own just walked down the hallway,
brought in security and fired Sola. Believe whatever you want.
I don't care. Your franchise not mine. Jordan Schultz been
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all over this story. Fox Sports NFL Insider. All right,
there's a million questions to ask, and again, what do
you think Aaron Rodgers? I mean, doesn't probably matter much
at this point beyond Aaron's reputation. And obviously he's going
to be as we said yesterday, Now it comes all
the framing and he's going to separate himself from all
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this stuff. Lebron's been doing this for years. He didn't
want his hands or fingerprints on any of this stuff.
What do you think Aaron Rodgers' involvement was in the
firing of Robert sala So.
Speaker 6 (31:01):
I was told Colin that Aaron was blindsided. That was
the term that was described to me. Aaron was blindsided
by the news that Robert Sala was fired. And I think,
if you really take a full thirty thousand's foot view
of this, Aaron's in the facility doing rehab when this happens, right,
So let me just give you exactly how it went down.
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Monday morning, Robert Sala is preparing for Monday night like normal,
as if he's going to try and win another game. Right,
they come back Tuesday morning. He's there early again with
his staff delegating, watching film, making sure that they're trying
to do everything possible to write this ship.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
He's in his office.
Speaker 6 (31:41):
Woody Johnson and Christopher Johnson walk down to his office
and tell Robert Sala and no uncertain terms.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
You're out.
Speaker 6 (31:49):
It's an incredibly strange way to do business. It's not
that the ownership doesn't have to speak to a GM
or let someone else in the building know. It's just
the right thing to do. It's not how you do business,
but this is how the Jets do business.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
But there are multiple reports that Salo was going to
relieve Nat Hackett, essentially firing firing Hackett but keeping him paid,
he was going to relieve him of play calling duties,
and after he did that, after word got out, he
got fired immediately after. So can't I assume Hackett, who's
buddies with Aaron? I mean, why is the timing so weird?
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It comes out of left field. Everybody's shocked, but it
comes right after Salo was going to relieve Hackett of
his play calling duties. Again, that's basically being fired in
the NFL.
Speaker 6 (32:37):
One hundred percent. And Nathaniel Hackett, for lack of a
better term, is not a good offensive coordinator. We've seen
that time and time again. He's not a head coach either.
The problem for Robert Sala is he didn't have the
relationship that Aaron has with Hackett. Now, I was told
that Sala and Aaron's relationship was fine. It was certainly manageable.
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You heard what Aaron just said. I love Robert Sala.
He's a reason why Caingden New York. But Ifaniel Hackett's
always going to be there, if Aaron's there, the second
Errand's there, the Faniel Hacket's gone. But good for him,
he's been able to create that relationship. And obviously there's
a lot of comfort. I was also told that one
of the reasons that Salah was fired potentially was that
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he didn't have the It didn't sit well with ownership
what he said about we need to work on the cadences, right,
Like one of the things that he said was after
the three fall starts against the other day against Buffalo
or at Denver, was we need to work on the cadences.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Well, we talked about this last week.
Speaker 6 (33:39):
Aaron's great superpower is that he is the all time
number one free play quarterback eighteen touchdowns. They only had
one false start. I don't know what was the final straw,
but London did not go well. I don't think ownership
loved that comment. And the bottom line is they were
twenty and thirty six during his tenure there and it
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just ever seemed to feel like they had any positive momentum.
The second they took one step forward, they were two
steps back. And I think ownership finally made the decision
after London because they realized this thing was not going
anywhere good.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
So they keep hiring the hot coordinator, the hot assistant,
Adam Gaze, Robert Sala, Todd Bowles. I would go get Vrabel,
but I doubt they would. A real alpha, a real
guy won't put up with anybody's crap, including ownership. Who
are the leading candidates now in Jetsland?
Speaker 6 (34:31):
To that point, Colin, Roody Johnson just said, we felt
like Robert Sala was our best option for twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Is that really?
Speaker 6 (34:39):
Like, all due respect to Robert Sala, but you had
Mike Vrabel, you had Bill Belichick. I know he doesn't
like the Jets. You had Dan Quinn, you had Ben Johnson.
You had all these great options on the table, and
you decide to run it back and then you fire
the guy five weeks into the season, basically Blindsidny, Aaron
Rodgers in the entire organization, well circumvating Joe Douglas.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
This is Jets now.
Speaker 6 (35:01):
Jeff Obrick is a very well respected guy in that building.
I didn't know, full transparency, I didn't know that he
was going to be the interim coach. Now that I
do know, I've asked what does he mean to this building?
The reason he's so he's such a hot demand and
why the Jets want to give him every opportunity Colin
to win this job is go back to his tenure
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in San Francisco when Demico Ryan sorry his tenure with
potentially going to San Francisco, Demico Ryans leaves the Niners
to become the Texans head coach. When that happens, the
Niners wanted to bring Jeff Obrick in to be the
defensive coordinator. The Jets deny that request. They denied it
because they value Jeff Obrick so much. He was also
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in Atlanta with Kyle Shanahan. Not to mention Matt Lafleur,
Mike McDaniel. He's got a lot of respect. So the
Jets are hoping that this team can be salvage. They're
two and three. If they win Monday Night, they're in
first place. The Jets are hoping that they can salvage
it and that Jeff ober could be the guy.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
If he's not.
Speaker 6 (36:04):
Obviously there's a Lindery list of guys they'll go after.
But I really believe that they're in at least under
the impression that Jeff can win the show.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Finally, DeVante Adams a lot of leanings a week ago
to the Jets. Where are we at with the star
receiver with the Raiders?
Speaker 6 (36:21):
So I think the Jets made me very clear the
Jets want Devontae Adams. Davante Adams would love to be
a Jet, and everyone I've talked to around the league,
including executives, believe Colin that Davante Adams will be a Jet.
There's a couple problems. The Raiders are demanding a second
round pick. No team, to my understanding, has come even
remotely close to giving a second round pick.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
The Raiders also.
Speaker 6 (36:45):
Do not want to eat a significant portion of Davante's salary.
The longer this goes on, and I've said this, but
the longer this goes on, the less leverage the Raiders have,
and a team like a Buffalo or maybe a Baltimore
swoop in and grab him. Right now, Davante wants to
be with Aaron or Derek Carr. Derek Carr is hurting
New Orleans. We don't know how long he'll be out.
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Maybe he's week to week. Maybe it's a little worse.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
New Orleans.
Speaker 6 (37:08):
I don't think isn't as good a position as the Jets.
I still believe Davante will be a Jet, but I
do think because of what happened yesterday, this has slowed
things down a little bit. But I still would say
without question and talking to clubs and then talking to
the Raiders yesterday that the Jets are still operating with
full aggression to try to get Davonte Adams. This is
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still the guy they want. What needs to happen is
the Raiders would have to either come down on the
asking price of a second round pick or eat some
of that salary.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
You know. In a strange way, getting hammered by the
Buffalo Bills would create even more urgency because if Aaron's
the guy and you're firing Sola, and you know Hacket,
I mean Sala was gonna just like been reported, Robert
Salov was gonna take Hackets basically job away, and then
suddenly he got fired. So you can connect the dots.
It's coincidence whatever. But in a weird way, winning without
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DeVante could you give you a false sense of we're close.
In a strange way, getting hammered by Buffalo would be
like we need more help now, Okay. Jordan Schultz, the
very latest appreciated is always dropping on late. Notice. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
I played with baseball, you bet so if.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
Today is going to be I'm shocked, I'm blah, this
is out, you know, this is how it works. I mean,
Lebron's at least run three coaches off stars. Don't want
to hurt their brand. They don't they don't want their
fingerprints on this stuff. I don't think it was an
ordered code Rent. I don't think it was a fire him.
But I think, you know, I don't buy the idea
that what he called him and worried about his ankle
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and said how how how's your Monday or how's your Sunday.
I don't think that's the way it worked. You were
on a plane. I don't buy that. But I just
keep hearing blindsided folks. I've been in this business thirty years.
I've never once been blindsided by anybody who got fired.
Not one time have I ever seen anybody get fired
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and go it is blind sided. You hear it coming,
you see the smoke. There's warning signs. Nobody can keep
a secret. Everybody's a rumor monger.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
There you go, Hey, by the way, can we put
an end to this?
Speaker 7 (39:20):
And it's not a knock on Jordan, because we've talked
about this this whole. Like Aaron Rodgers is the best
at diagnosing a defense at the line of scrummage. Defenses
have changed the defensive coordinators are not sitting their guys
static and saying come at us.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
They're constantly moving.
Speaker 7 (39:33):
And some of the film guys have broken down how
Aaron Rodgers was the one seeing ghosts in London. Flores
was moving his pieces around. Rogers did not anticipate them.
Ends up with three interceptions like this is a new NFL.
I'm sorry, Aaron Rodgers, the way you dominated a decade ago,
it's not happening. He doesn't like motion exactly. All the
good quarterbacks like motion, except Aaron, who's no longer potentially good.