April 30, 2024 • 40 mins
Colin reacts to the Lakers getting eliminated in the first round of the playoffs by the reigning champion Nuggets
Thoughts on Steph Curry, LeBron James, and Kevin Durant no longer being in the playoffs and the face of the league
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
All right, here we go. It is a Tuesday, all eye.
Here is the impending doom of the Lakers and Lebron
leaving Los Angeles. It's the Herd. Wherever you may be
and however you may be listening. Thanks for making us
part of your day. Jmack Well, well, well jmack. Lebron
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James thirty nine twenty first season in the books. What
do you make of it?
Speaker 3 (00:53):
What a game? What a series?
Speaker 4 (00:55):
I mean, goodness, gracious, that was just tremendous theater last night.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
And I feel for Lebron and Lakers.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
Denver was only plus eleven in the entire series, plus eleven.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Lakers played great.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Yeah, all the games feal the same between these two.
So a lot of people wondering this morning, if you
know Lebron James. That was his last game as a Laker.
Let's add some context to it, believe it or not.
Despite the biggest brand, Genie Buss, who's really wonderful at
what she does, she is the poorest NBA owner. Steve Balmer,
who owns the Clippers, is the first or second richest
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he could buy. If you look at his net worth,
twenty seven of the other owners combined. So Lebron's not
only important for basketball, he's important for business. He sells tickets,
they're sold out, and they're winning about forty five games
a year. So there's a reason Kobe Bryant was paid
top of the market till the end. Those local cable deals,
whoever the cable provider is in Los Angeles, pay tens
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of millions of dollars a year. They need Lebron. LA
is not Indianapolis or San Antonio. People here make a
lot of money or a forty mont flight to Vegas.
We have beaches, mountains. The Dodgers draw five million. Two
NFL teams, two NBA teams, usc UCLA. You can't tank
in LA. You can't tank, you can't be starless, you
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can't even really truly rebuild. People have things to do
here in a lot of money. And Lebron in terms
of basketball, was out of this world good this year.
He was great in this series. His three point shooting
this year best of his career, his field goal percentage
best yet as a Laker. He led the team and assists,
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ticket sales. He played seventy one total games. I think
he had twenty six per night. He was fantastic many nights.
He's the best player on the floor in the games.
He plays many nights more than half and that includes Ad,
and he and Ad play well together, and he and
Ad get along really, really well. Lebron's always loved the
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guy will do the dirty work on rebounding and defense.
Lebron doesn't want to do that stuff. He wants to
get out in the break and shoot his threes. And
Ad is banged up and playing seventy plus games. He's
a great defender, in my opinion, the best defender in
the league. And Ad just had his best year ever
as a pro. He was fantastic. Jolkic had to work
for every point in this series. So Lebron wants to
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be a Laker. And here's the good news. When they
made that Ad trade with the Pelicans, it kind of
trapped them for a couple of years. NBA regulations, they
now can trade three first round picks. This year they
only have one, but they can trade three without getting
into the weeds. It's due to the ad deal and
d Lo's coming off the books. So they're gonna need
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a star and they're gonna go get a star Donovan, Mitchell,
Trey Young. So my guess is Lebron stays. There's no
reason to move in for business, no reason to move
in for basketball. I would absolutely have no problem committing
for two or three more years. He's going nowhere. You know,
you can draft his son if you want. But Lebron's
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still really elite player, and he was in this series
against a physical Denver team. But if you start looking
at the West, just the West, forget the Celtics, Denver
Mini OKC. You start looking at these teams out west,
they're better than the Lakers. I mean, here's a prime example.
The Denver Nuggets do not have a single player of
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their best four that ever have a horrible game. They
have horrible halfs. Jamal Murray can have a bad half,
but Jamal Murray will then have a great second half.
The Lakers, di Lo disappears for games at a time.
Ruey disappears for games at a time. Even Anthony Davis,
as great as he is, can be a no show
sometimes offensively. I mean, Michael Porter's their third best player.
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For Denver, he shot forty eight percent from three in
this series. He's an agile six to ten athlete with
a dead eye three point touch. He's their third best player. Okay,
he is significantly more talented, gifted, and better than the
lakers third best player, d Loo or Austin Reeves. They're
fourth best players, one of the better defenders, one of
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the longer bodies in the NBA, hustle guy aarn Gordon
way better, I would argue, and more valuable and more
consistent than the Lakers' third best player, and he's their fourth.
Not to mention, they have KCP who is just a
big shot maker. So you can blame Darvin Ham all
you want for this. The fact that they out played
Denver most of the series says something. Eric Spolster is
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one of the best coaches in this league over the
last fifteen year ten years, one of the best coaches.
He's getting worked in his series. Why the reality of
his roster The Lakers roster is top heavy, there's no bench.
Their third best player, de lo sometimes is a no show,
almost always against Denver. Well, what do you want from
Darvin Ham? He got the Lakers ready to play. I
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thought they outplayed Denver again last night, but at no point,
even when the Lakers led that I think, Uh, Denver's
in trouble. Every time these two teams play, it always
looks the same. Denver's better late because Denver's got better
players and better closers and coffees for closers. Here was
Lebron about his future after and he thought.
Speaker 5 (06:08):
At all that, you know, this could have been your
last game with the Lakers. I'm not going to answer that.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Oh the sly smile by Lebron. He wants to be
a Laker, but he wants the Laker to make big moves.
He'll put the pressure on. I think they'll retain Lebron
and Darvin ham ads here for the long run, and
they'll go get a Trey Younger, a Donovan Mitchell. So Lebron,
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Curry and Durant out of the playoffs. We're just moving
into the second round. Since two thousand and five, one
of those guys sometimes all three one of those three
had made the second round of the playoffs. They're all gone.
So who's the next face of the league. Who's the
next face? Jokich, Tatum, Jannis, Luca, Sga, Wemby and Edwards
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all vying some vine. Jokicic doesn't want to be the
face of the league. Who's the face of the league?
Who's gonn carry the tors now? They're all talented, but
there is no Patrick Mahomes to replace Brady manningan breeze.
It's not there. He was marketable, he was the best player,
He's the best quarterback. He plays the most important position.
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NBA diehards will tell you it's gonna be ant Edwards,
It's gonna be this guy, It's gonna be that guy.
The truth is they thought Iverson, Stevie, Francis and mar
Berry would replace Jordan, and half the league ratings disappeared.
I don't think any of these guys, maybe Wemby, although
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I'm not sure he wants it, will be the face
of the league. And this, like international soccer, is a
face of the league sport. You don't need it in
the NFL, although the VO has had it. But it's
a big part of this league. Now they're going to
Amazon reportedly, so a lot of people aren't gonna watch him.
When you go to streaming, your numbers can go down,
they generally do significantly. So a lot of people forget this.
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They always think it doesn't matter what market you're in.
Yes it does. Lebron is the only small market face
of the league ever. Think I'm lying. Go back to
the seventies. It was like Jerry West the logo Los Angeles,
and then right after that, I felt like Doctor j
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big market Philadelphia, and then Magic La Byrd Boston, Steph Shaq,
Kobe all big market. Lebron's the only one in Cleveland.
Michael Jordan Chicago. And when Michael Jordan was the face
of the league, the look, the game, the style, the earrings,
the smile, and at that time Chicago had the number
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one NFL team, the Bears, Oprah was the biggest star
in daytime TV, and Siskel and Ebert were driving people
to theaters when people used to go to theaters. Chicago
has never been bigger than then the Bears Oprah, Jordan,
Saysdillan Ebert. It was flying, and then there's Lebron from Cleveland,
who for the record was a headline in high school,
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the chosen One, the King. We don't have anybody like
that now. So I don't know who the face of
the league is, but market size matters now. Could it
be Jalen Brunson. He's not dynamic enough. His game is excellent.
I love him, but that doesn't feel like magic played
different Bird, Kareem, Doctor Jay. Most of the faces of
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the league, I mean, Tim Duncan was the best player
for about five years. The big fundamental was never close
to the face of the league. You gotta have some pow,
some verticals, some shazam, and I do think Aunt Edwards
has a lot of that. But Minnesota is a football
market more than a basketball market. But this stuff matters.
I don't know who the face of the league is.
I love what I've watched in the playoffs. People always
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bang on the NBA. I thought last night was one
of the best games I've seen in a year. I
thought the couple of Knights are earlier. Dallas Clippers second
half was one of the great nights I've seen a
basketball in this country. Anywhere globally, there's great basketball. Nick
Sixers has been unbelievable. I love the league. I love
the games, the fans, the Riems are sold out, the Stars,
it's international, but face of the league. I guess I'd
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go Aunt Edwards and wamby Vy for it, but I
don't feel it yet. J Mack. They want Darvin Ham
out of here, and it cracks me up. You can
keep blaming Lebron's coaches. If you get rid of Darvin
what's he on his seventh eighth coach? You can keep
blaming the coaches. The Lakers match up pretty well and
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led for most of the series, but in the end
the better players Jamal Murray, Jogich, Porter hit baskets and
we have de Lo Reeves. Lebron and for the record,
a d because he plays such great defense, does usually
feel a little gassed late in the fourth quarter offensively
because he actually is banging on guys that are bigger
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than him. So if you watch AD with the Lakers,
he is giving you such an enormous effort defensively, I
never feel like laiden games. I can depend on him offensively.
I'll just take the defense against Jokich, give me eighteen.
I'll be happy with it. Lebron's not playing that level
of defense. You know he's kind of hanging out in
the perimeter.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
It's a tough one.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
I banged on Darvin Ham all year. I don't think
he's the reason they lost his series. I mean, honestly,
Jamal Murray hit two fluke shots in the final.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Four seconds to knock him out.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
But I'll say this, Colin, you had a healthy Anthony Davis,
healthy Lebron healthy Austin Reeves. Like the team was healthy
and they were in the plan. That's kind of sort
of unacceptable.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
That's on the coach for in season movering. Like if
you're a.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
Top five seed, you don't have to face Denver to
start the playoffs and the Lakers would be advancing.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
You know that, right?
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Well, I don't know that. I think Oka c has
been better in Minnesota. We kind of both had questions
about the Thunder and t Wolves as playoff teams. They
look really good. T Wolves swept their guys, and okasee
Is has been better than I thought.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
T Wolves looked great. Don't you say?
Speaker 4 (12:09):
The Lakers have been the third best team in the
West of these playoffs so far despite losing four one.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
I don't know if they could. I do not think
the Lakers. I think Minnesota would beat them pretty quickly. Okay, see,
I do think they match up better against But Okacs
look great. They're really talented teams.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
The Lakers went toe to toe with the defending champs
and were minus eleven in a five game series.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Yeah, but they've done toe to toe twelve thirteen games.
To talk about last year, I don't know's that's that's
the reality. All these games look the same. The better
team always. This is the NBA. It's a long season.
The last four minutes of NBA games decide the winners.
Denver always wins these games.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Oh, they're also at home for the two buzzer shots.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Does it matter twelve to thirteen? They've won them all
the same way. Again, you blame who you want. Denver's
got better players.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
I don't disagree with that. Although guy Austin Reach showed
up in.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
The Boston has better players than Miami.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Well, we'll see with the Indiana.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Right now, because Dames Hurt has better players than Milwaukee.
Better players usually win the series. Philly, New York feels
like an outlier. It does feel like Philly's got more
high end players. But Jalen Brunson looks like the best
player in the series.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
I'm waiting for the Joel Embiid excuses to start. I mean,
you know that there's always something for that guy.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
All right, Top of next hour. Okay, coaching hires done,
free agency done, the draft is complete. We do one
of our final Herd hierarchies before the NFL season starts
one through ten. Who do we like? The draft can
absolutely change it. Maybe not take you from bad to great,
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but it can change very good teams, good teams to
very good, very good to maybe super Bowl teams. That's
coming up top of the hour.
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Speaker 1 (14:01):
All right, welcome back. Celtics are rolling Miami, by the way,
They're not asking for Eric Spolster to be fired, you know, no,
Jimmy Butler. There's roster realities with the Miami Heat right now,
and they're just one great shooting night away from getting
rolled completely in this series. So if you're a Celtics fan,
all you really care about is poor Zingis's health. Christops
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Porsingis has like a non contact calf's sprain. You know,
Jamal Murray's been dealing with it, Yannis. It can go
either way. It's very fluky. You're not kind of sure
how to deal with it. But nobody has beaten the
Celtics in the East. A great example is last night.
Derek White is the fifth best player for the Celtics.
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He's a number two or a number three on most
NBA teams. He's a five for them. Analytically, he's great.
He's a top two way player in the league. Under Popovich,
he played great defense. He learned how to do it.
He's a terrific player. He was the best player on
the floor last night. Miami could stop him. And I
mean again, now Miami's got no Jimmy Butler and Bead's
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gonna get rolled. He'll be out. Giannis isn't playing either
his dame. We knew the East was gonna be, you know,
pretty easy work for the Celtics. It's easier, and I
feel like I'm watching one of those vintage Nick Saban
Alabama teams. I'm just waiting for him to get to
the National Championship. Nobody in the East was going to
beat the Celtics regardless. But Derek White taking over last
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night's game is a great example of how good they are.
Boston's number one concern frankly is concentration. You know, if
they're not ready to play. You know, it's the NBA.
The Knicks could give him trouble, but it's not close here.
The calf's sprain for porzingis because they're not beating Denver
and they're not beating Minnesota. They don't match up particularly
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well without porzingis they don't have the size. Al Horford's
not going to do it. So they need size to
beat Denver, Minnesota, Minnesota's Twin Towers giant team. So but
I when you watched that last night, all you need
to know. Everybody talks about rosters and Darvin Ham and Spolstra.
Derek White's the Celtics' fifth best player, and he is
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a top two way player in the league. Who's the Lakers'
fifth best player. That's the fifth best player. Michael Porter
on some nights is the nuggets fourth best player. Who's
the Lakers' most dependable third player. This stuff comes down
to dudes. Who's got more good dudes? New York Philly,
What we've discovered is MB's overrated, Brunson's underrated. So the
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best player in that series is actually a nick and
generally the best player in a series wins the series
if he has confident people around him. Boston is beyond competent.
Tatum Brown porsingis Drew Holliday. You know, last night was
just a clinic and there's nothing Spoe can do about it.
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By the way, here is Tatum on Derreck White's game.
Speaker 6 (16:58):
Well, he's been aggressive. It just opens everything up right,
you know, whatever they try and take away, maybe for myself,
when you know your teammates are, you know, hitting shots
and being aggressive and attacking close out and making plays,
it kind of it really makes us very very hard
to guard, and you want everybody to to to be
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assertive and be aggressive and try to make plays. It
just makes us a better team.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Thirty eight points from their fifth best player. J Mackle the.
Speaker 7 (17:32):
News, No no turns, This is the herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Thirty eight points. A lot of points.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
Yeah, Derek White's nice. I'm not just saying this because
I have a Boston Futures ticket in the East and
to win the title. But without porzingis this year they're
twenty one and four. I know, regular season, I get it.
Postseasons different, the truncated game and defense.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
I think they're gonna be all right. I'll be shocked.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
I'll tell you Minnesota, Denver's gonna find out. They're a
hard matchup.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Did you see the gambling markets on this one? Denver
seventy percent chance to win the series?
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Essentially, I was like, that seems high.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Well, they're better and they're proven. Yeah, we'll see Jamal Murray.
Jamal Murray has to be healthy. It'll be great. I
watched them play three weeks ago in a regular season game.
It was like at one point two or something like
that was very close game one o four, one oh four,
and it was like go either way. And then, as expected,
Denver figures out a way to win those close clutch
time games. But you know, the Minnesota is just I mean,
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Phoenix looked not competitive. They gotta run off the court
four straight games.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
The problem in that series is I.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
Love Murray, he's a chucker talk some trash. I love
Anthony Edwards also chucker talks some trash.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Yeah, so I don't know who to root for.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Well, Murray's a better shooter. An's the more dynamics. Good.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Yeah, he's just amazing. All right, Let's go to some
crappy news.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
The Milwaukee Bucks on the brink of elimination tonight at home,
and it looks like they.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Will be without Giannis and Dame.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
Nothing official, but Sean Sharania says Milwaukee has them as
doubtful for Game five.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
Giannas hasn't played a game in the entire series.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
That's two straight playoff series seasons in which he has
been injured, and now Dame has an Achilles tendon strain.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Everybody in the league is hurt.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
Okay, Casers, though are four point favorites on the road.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
That game is a little rich for me. Hey, look
at the young teams. Okay, See's young, they're not injured.
Indiana's young, they're not injured. Minnesota's younger, they don't have injuries.
You know who's injured. The oldest team in the league
is Milwaukee. That's the oldest roster in the league, and
their two stars are out. So the NBA has always
been a little bit of a dangerous tap dance. You
want a veteran team, you don't want an old team.
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Milwaukee crossed that line two years ago. They're now old,
and old teams don't win finals. They don't win them.
That's why when the last old team to do it
was the Warriors beat the Celtics, and Wiggins didn't. Really
it was, first of all, steps he's still old, no,
and Wiggins at that point was still really a good player,
and it felt like he was in his prime. He's aged,
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but by and large, there's a difference between experienced and old.
The Lakers now Lebron's old. You know, Ad is great,
but he's moving toward because of the injuries a little old.
Milwaukee's officially old, and I think they crossed that like
a year and a half to two years ago. And
this is what happens the old teams. You fall apart.
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By the way, the Clippers are an old team. Kawhi
Leonard you never know if he's gonna play or not.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
Well, listen, we saw this in the NFL. How many
quarterbacks got hurt and then every week there's like four
five games with crap not good quarterbacks, and that's frustrating.
And now we get to the NBA playoffs and it's like,
all right, Porzingis is down, Jimmy Butler's down, guys are hurt.
Left to ad played second half last night with one arm,
Like I don't know if you could just shorten all
the seasons. No owner wants to take less money. I
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just it stinks when you got start. Jannis and Dame
Lillard are down.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Major League baseball's having this issue where none of the pitchers,
yeah you know the pitchers or all the star pitchers
are injured. So athletes are never been in better shape.
They've never trained harder and played harder and worked harder.
But the games are harder. They're all global. Now you're
facing the world's best. You got to bring it every night.
You can't do steak, potato, cigars and wine like MJ
after games and play eighteen holes of golf. It's a
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different world now. Cardio wise, the game's never been faster,
Hockey's never been faster, MLS, NBA, So it's like it's
you've got more injuries, and these guys are like finely tuned,
like violins. Like their bodies are tight, they're in great shape.
I mean, you go back and look at seventies baseball,
like nobody lifted weights like these guys now are finely tuned.
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And sometimes you get hurt more.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Do you have a play on the night's game Pacers
minus four.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
In the end is going to win the game? Yeah,
I think.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
The smart play.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
We knew it was a tough match up.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
We like the Faces, but did be careful with the
Bucks here. They got some guys here who will won
a championship. They're not gonna roll over. I would look
at the Bucks first quarter, gonna come out home court.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Guys, energy, viz seas. Maybe we get Damon Gianna's back
for Game six. Come on, it's not over and they
fight hard early in the first quarter.
Speaker 7 (22:14):
All right.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
Next up, speaking of elimination, Joel Embiid and the Sixers
on the verge of a first round exit, and Joel
Embiid says, there's no pressure on Philly.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
I had a tonight's game at the Garden.
Speaker 7 (22:29):
We got no fustion. We quit the seven see three
to one. You know a lot of guys are heard. No,
I don't know, Marve will feel the frush. So we
should just go out. Then go out and you know,
play our best basketball, and you know, one other town
win one, come back home win another one, and then
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game seven over that. So you know, I'm looking forward
to to it.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Uh yeah, no fushure, no pressure, Joel.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
And moments ago it was reported that he is suffering
from a migraine and he misshoot around today.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
No pressure, jo Will, no pole.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
I don't think shoot arounds that big of a deal
a migrain headache on the day of the well. I
think migrain headaches can be mitigated.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
Is that gonna be tough in the garden when every
person's screaming their lungs out wron?
Speaker 1 (23:18):
I think you know, water rest ibut prof and he'll
be fine. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
By the way, we have a graphic here of the
last time em bead faced elimination.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
All right, you remember it last year against Boston?
Speaker 1 (23:30):
I do?
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Yeah, how do you think he did?
Speaker 1 (23:32):
He was terrible?
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Yeah, here we.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
Go, fifteen points five of eighteen shooting minus twenty eight.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
He's really in this series, been shockingly bad. In the
fourth no rebounds.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
They don't say he's hurt.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
He's dealt with all right, fin again again early hurt
often is a big gonna move off him. You can't
keep selling me on MBAT, Like what I see and
what you're selling me on are two different things. You're
honest when healthy, is still dominant. Embead's not.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
He's not.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
And I was remembering a Game seven against the Hawks.
Remember the Ben Simmons.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Pass game at home?
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Embid, I know he had thirty one points, he had
eight turnovers, eight turnovers, an elimination gave it home.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
They lost.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
I'm just saying, yeah, when he gets bounced tonight and
you're hard on him tomorrow and I come off the
top rope with another elbow, well, I think, guys, I
don't want to hear it. Sixers fans they're all like,
you're so mean to Joel.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Embiid, Like, listen, it's like, honestly, Lebron left the East.
The East has never been weaker than this season. Like,
you gotta win a second playoff series when you have
Maxi as the best two in the series, whether Embiid
or Brunton or better, Maxi is the best two.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
I think he's talking about Embiid mentioned we got guys hurt, Well,
what about Julius Reynolds don't even playing.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
He's the knick second best player.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
And the Knicks also made a trade at the deadline,
which sometimes with chemistry, that's hard. It usually takes a
full season to get there so the Knicks. The Knicks
could use that excuse all. They want to get.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
Daryl Morey on the show once. They want two to
three kids.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
This is bad. This is bad. It's not good for Philly.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
All right.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Let's close up with the NFL. Interesting like sourced release here.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
So the Vikings and Patriots did draft quarterbacks obviously last
week at the draft, but things could have panned out differently.
According to reports, the Vikings offered the Patriots eleven and
twenty three along with the twenty twenty five first to
move up to third overall Vikings. The deal fell apart
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as Minnesota also wanted more.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Second round picks. The Giants also wanted to move up
to third.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
They offered the sixth and twenty five first to move up.
Patriots declined, Who were these teams going after Colin?
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Gotta Drake May?
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Right, yeah, Drake May. So New England could have had
three first for one first, so New England could have
gotten Harrison wide receiver. Later in the draft twenty third,
they probably would have gotten an elite edge rusher, and
then next year obviously.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
I don't think I think the Cardinals were taking Harrison, right,
I mean, it feels like.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Well, no, but time out. Oh you're right, my bad,
my bad. Vikings go bad yet, So they New England
would have moved to eleven and twenty three. So eleven
gets you brock Bowers. Eleven probably gets you brock Bowers
and an elite edge rusher. I said you could go
either way. Listen, if you give me brock Bowers and
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Jared Verse and another number one pick next year, which
I could use on a quarterback, that's not that's not terrible,
because New England's going to be. New England's going to
be near the top of the next several drafts, even
with Drake. Mate, I don't know. I what does it
tell you that the I would have had to have
slept on? I would if I was the Patriots, and
(26:52):
I could have gotten the eleven and the twenty third
and another first along with my first, So I'd have
two first this year, two first next year. You got
to sleep on?
Speaker 4 (26:59):
Wait a minute, that tells you that the Patriots absolutely
loved Drake may right, their scouting department thinks he is
the man.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Well the people I trust. I told you Caleb would
go one, Jade and Daniels two. Okay, that's what I
was told we predicted that we were right. I was
told most of the people I talked to thought Drake
May actually had the best traits, including Caleb size, arm movement.
They thought he was there's a Herbert thing. He just
isn't quite ready to play. So that's interesting. I mean,
(27:28):
would you, Okay, let me ask you. You run New
England the eleventh, the twenty third, and then you get
another first next year.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
I like I like Drake May. I would have taken
on a second.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Oh that's fine, And I don't have a problem with
that answer either. I would have slept on it.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
This is the tricky part.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
So the Vikings claim they got their guy in JJ McCarthy,
when in reality they tried to move up to three
to get Drake May.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
So they settle for their second quarterback. Right was that
fair to say?
Speaker 7 (27:53):
Well?
Speaker 4 (27:53):
No, no.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
So that's a great point because I've been arguing this
whole time that the JJ McCarthy there was false. It's
Michael Pennix and Drake May or the quarterback people want.
I do not believe the Giants we're gonna move up
for JJ McCarthy. No, And I don't believe it would
have been smart to move up for JJ McCarthy, Drake
May because of his he's a bigger athlete, Drake May,
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I would move up for I'd have a hard time
with JJ McCarthy. So this whole narrative that the world
wanted JJ McCarthy, no Minnesota. So according to this story,
the Vikings were willing to move up, give up two
firsts hold up and three first to get three, but
they were willing to give up a fourth and fifth
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rounder to get McCarthy. So the truth is they like, May,
we would guess more than because if the Patriot said no,
wouldn't the Vikings have tried to move up to six
with the Giants thinking they would take their guy.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
Yeah, the Vikings tried to get second round picks back
from the Patriots, and they were like, now we're not
doing right.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Right, But it doesn't it confirm that the JJ McCarthy
narrative was way overblown. Of course, the team that got
him basically wanted to scramble to get into the third
spot and then was willing to wait once they didn't
get that quarterback.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
I obviously somebody's going to be way wrong on Drake May.
Not just you and I, but a lot of people
around the league. They will either oh, how did we
pass on Drake May? Or boy should have taken those
picks for Drake May. And I think it's gonna be
fascinating to watch, So I like him a lot.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
I'm Drake May and the Vikings have a connection. We
talked about this before the draft. There's a coach on
that staff that is connected to Drake May. Remember Cliff Kingsbury,
like Antonio Pierce, Raiders had a connection to Jayden Daniels.
He wanted him, you know. Cliff Kingsbury liked the style
of Jaden McDaniels because he'd had similar quarterbacks. So there's
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often this connectivity that makes a team want to move
up for a specific guy. J mcklenews, Well, that's the news,
and thanks for stopping by the herd Line News. So
it's interesting we're talking about Lebron James. People are saying
he's going to retire. But I was thinking about this
driving in this morning, right now, this second today, who is,
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without a doubt, unquestionably on a night by night consistency
production basis better than Lebron. In the NBA, I would
say Jokic, Tatum, Luca Jannis Sga, Jalen Brunson. On a
regular basis, six guys on those nights are consistently more
productive now, and I would take Lebron over half those
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guys if you gave me last possession or one game.
Lebron to me is in the very next level, like
six or seven through twelve A d k D Jalen Brown, Ant,
Kyrie steph MB that level of guy. But there's a
reason that Tom Brady kept playing and would have maybe
played even longer if he wasn't going through some you know,
(30:57):
the personal situation he went to. He was very good.
Lebron's very good. So Lebron James made the most fourth
quarter baskets in the entire league this year, in the
regular season, in the playoffs. So Lebron's still really good.
Retire to? What make another Space Jam movie? What's he
going to retire to? This is why Brady kept playing.
So there's only three guys in this league that went
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twenty five, seven and seven, three Luca Jokich and Lebron.
So I have no idea why you'd want him to retire.
I think he's good for the league. Lakers have Lebron
when the games are on. I stick around and watch,
so they're not in terrible shape. The Lakers are not
in terrible shape. There's no reason to go. They're not
in championship shape. And that's the difference right now the
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Lakers last couple of years, here's their roster. Lebron plus
A D plus guys, that's what they are. Lebron plus
A D plus got different names, same dudes, So they
got to go Lebron, ad Donovan, Mitchell, Lebron a D
Trey Young. Then you can have maybe a fourth guy
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that's a hit and miss or Ruey and Austin Reeves
or whatever it is. But this summer, if you want
to change the results, you have to change the roster.
And they do have three the ability to move three
first round picks one this year and down the road
to others and then d Lo's off the books. But
here here was Lebron's confidence on the current roster of
the Lakers.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
The way that you guys did, does that give you
were still any further confidence in this group?
Speaker 5 (32:28):
No, because we lost.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
I don't. I don't.
Speaker 5 (32:34):
I'm not a participation guy. We lost, and you know,
you move on and see how you can get better.
But in our season has been derailed all season with
just like injuries and guys in and out. And you know,
I talked about it all year. He was around us
all year. I said, I don't it's hard to say
who we are what we can be because we have yet.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
To be whole.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Yeah, that's why the Lakers, in my opinion, need to
go out and get a star in his twenties. You
may not get Ad playing this many games again. You
may not get Lebron playing this many games again. So
all these teams in the West, Minnesota's got an Ant,
and the Phoenix has Booker. OKC He's got Sga, and
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Dallas has Luke. All these teams in the West have
a twenty year old star. That's what Golden State's dilemma is,
who's their twenty year old star? Right, You're gonna get
fewer minutes from Clay if you keep him, or a
Draymond or a Steph Curry or a Wiggins, You're gonna
get fewer minutes from Ad. Hasn't played this long, this Harden,
(33:38):
this many games in forever, like I mean since like
year two in the league. So it's you want different results,
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Speaker 4 (34:21):
Saturday on Fox, the United Football League takes center stage
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Speaker 3 (34:31):
It all kicks off Saturday at three Eastern on Fox.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
So Travis Kelsey signed a new deal, two year deal
with Kansas City. Listen. He's he's creative and he's in
sync with Mahomes. They're the number one kind of tight
end quarterback duo playoff history fact number one duo I
think in playoff history. So he's just one of those guys.
When you get to the playoffs and you get to
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really situational football and it's third seven, it just feels
like Mahomes and Kelsey are Brady and Gronk. It's hard
to explain. They always know where the other's at. Both
are creative, both are in sinc and you get these
occasional Edelman Brady had it as well. Briefly Wes Welker
and Brady had it. You just got to resign it
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until the wheels come off, you know. It is interesting, though,
when I look at Kansas City. Two teams have dominated
the NFL for twenty three seasons, yet everybody else thinks
they've got a shot. I want you to think about this,
and that's what's great about the NFL. It's the league
of hope. Everybody thinks they've got a shot. But if
you have the best coach and the best quarterback, which
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Brady had for years and now Kansas City has, you'll
dominate the league. Kansas City in New England last twenty
three years have been to thirteen Super Bowls in the
last twenty three years, the Patriots or the Chiefs won
nine of the twenty three Super Bowls. Kid about forty percent.
Kansas City is favorite again. Next year should be New
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England Kansas City. Those two have been in the AFC
championship thirteen straight years. Think about that. That's like, that's
better than Alabama dominance. With saban So Mahomes Brady and
Peyton Manning in a twenty three year span, we're in
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seventeen of the Super Bowls. That's insane. That's like, you
know in Yukon women, when you get sometimes in sports
like a star, you know, Roger Feeder in his prime,
like you just kind of know what you're getting. But
we understand those sports are dynasty driven or individual sports
which are individually led Tiger Woods in his prime. That's
(36:44):
what the NFL is. If you have an a coach
and an a quarterback, you're going to be really good.
And that's why increasingly it's become easier and easier and
easier as I do this job making NFL predictions, the
AFC has gotten very easy predicting who's going to make
the playoffs, who's the best quarterback in the division, and
do they have a plus coach. So my Super Bowl
(37:08):
bubble this morning, and it really comes down to who
are the quarterbacks In my Super Bowl bubble. I have
Mahomes in Kansas City, Lamar Jackson and Baltimore, Matt Stafford
and the Rams, the Lions roster, which I think is sick,
San Francisco, Green Bay, and I have Joe Burrow on
the bubble and Josh Allen on the bubble. I want
to kind of see what Buffalo looks like on the
(37:30):
perimeter offensively. They went and drafted a great young player
in college. We'll see if it works. Joe Burrow trying
to get healthy. I'm not sure about t Higgins right now.
But basically right there, you've got really high end quarterbacks
and brock perty and really really high end coaches across
the board. I'm Sean McDermott, I may push back on,
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but he was making the playoffs pre Josh Allen, so
he obviously knows what he's doing. But I think sometimes
you forget this league is like it's much clo of
the NBA and baseball than you think. If you get
the A coach and you get the A quarterback, it's
very repetitive just think about this Manning Mahomes and Brady
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seventeen of twenty three Super Bowls. You just don't think
of NFL in that space. That's what it is. Here's
Brett Veach, GM of the Chiefs on Travis Kelcey's new contract.
Speaker 8 (38:24):
Every now and then you have one of these guys
that are that are outliers, and certainly Travis's is one
of those players. It's funny, it's not even me yet.
And today we had a chance to get out there
in phase two and guys were out there running around
and Travis was the first guy in line, and I
mean he looked like he was twenty eight years old.
And again, I mean, the odds of someone playing this
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far into the thirds are very low, but it does happen,
and it happens with just you know, unicorns in the profession,
and Travis is one of those.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
I think what you're seeing two things with players in health.
Anytime I see this play injured back in eight weeks,
it always feels like they're back in six Players get
healthier faster. The medical profession, the methods, the practices, the procedures,
it's just better than ever. And the second thing is
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guys are lasting longer. I mean last year I kind
of felt like, man, Travis Kelcey, he's getting a little
long in the tooth. And then I watched the playoffs
and he was unbelievable. So I think, what happens. You
see it with Lebron, you know, you saw it with
Brady at the end. You see it with Travis Kelcey.
You may not always be great, you may not always
have your fastball in the middle of the season, but situationally,
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at the end of seasons, you're still an A plus
plus performer. All right, Nick Wrights around the corner J Mack, So,
I've got only a couple of Herd hierarchies before the
NFL season starts. We're now in late April. May's around
the corner. So we have all the coaches and all
the staffs in, all the free agent signings, we have
all the draft picks in. We will have the Herd
(40:01):
hierarchy top ten.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
Looking forward to it.
Speaker 4 (40:03):
On the Super Bowl bubble, I went and looked at
the odds. It seems like you're missing some teams.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
Colin.
Speaker 4 (40:09):
You have the Packers. You're bullish on the Packers, love
them so ahead of the Packers. Super Bowl odds are
the Dallas Cowboys. I saw him play last year in
Dallas blowout Philadelphia Eagles. I have questions about Nick Sirianni
and the Houston Texans. I like the Houston Texans. I'll
see if I love them.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
Love to get into the bubble.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
I need love, not like I saw the Jets getting
rebuffed at the door.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
They they didn't have cover, didn't before it
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
All right, here we go. It is a Tuesday, all eye.
Here is the impending doom of the Lakers and Lebron
leaving Los Angeles. It's the Herd. Wherever you may be
and however you may be listening. Thanks for making us
part of your day. Jmack Well, well, well jmack. Lebron
(00:47):
James thirty nine twenty first season in the books. What
do you make of it?
Speaker 3 (00:53):
What a game? What a series?
Speaker 4 (00:55):
I mean, goodness, gracious, that was just tremendous theater last night.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
And I feel for Lebron and Lakers.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
Denver was only plus eleven in the entire series, plus eleven.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Lakers played great.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Yeah, all the games feal the same between these two.
So a lot of people wondering this morning, if you
know Lebron James. That was his last game as a Laker.
Let's add some context to it, believe it or not.
Despite the biggest brand, Genie Buss, who's really wonderful at
what she does, she is the poorest NBA owner. Steve Balmer,
who owns the Clippers, is the first or second richest
(01:29):
he could buy. If you look at his net worth,
twenty seven of the other owners combined. So Lebron's not
only important for basketball, he's important for business. He sells tickets,
they're sold out, and they're winning about forty five games
a year. So there's a reason Kobe Bryant was paid
top of the market till the end. Those local cable deals,
whoever the cable provider is in Los Angeles, pay tens
(01:52):
of millions of dollars a year. They need Lebron. LA
is not Indianapolis or San Antonio. People here make a
lot of money or a forty mont flight to Vegas.
We have beaches, mountains. The Dodgers draw five million. Two
NFL teams, two NBA teams, usc UCLA. You can't tank
in LA. You can't tank, you can't be starless, you
(02:13):
can't even really truly rebuild. People have things to do
here in a lot of money. And Lebron in terms
of basketball, was out of this world good this year.
He was great in this series. His three point shooting
this year best of his career, his field goal percentage
best yet as a Laker. He led the team and assists,
(02:33):
ticket sales. He played seventy one total games. I think
he had twenty six per night. He was fantastic many nights.
He's the best player on the floor in the games.
He plays many nights more than half and that includes Ad,
and he and Ad play well together, and he and
Ad get along really, really well. Lebron's always loved the
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guy will do the dirty work on rebounding and defense.
Lebron doesn't want to do that stuff. He wants to
get out in the break and shoot his threes. And
Ad is banged up and playing seventy plus games. He's
a great defender, in my opinion, the best defender in
the league. And Ad just had his best year ever
as a pro. He was fantastic. Jolkic had to work
for every point in this series. So Lebron wants to
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be a Laker. And here's the good news. When they
made that Ad trade with the Pelicans, it kind of
trapped them for a couple of years. NBA regulations, they
now can trade three first round picks. This year they
only have one, but they can trade three without getting
into the weeds. It's due to the ad deal and
d Lo's coming off the books. So they're gonna need
(03:39):
a star and they're gonna go get a star Donovan, Mitchell,
Trey Young. So my guess is Lebron stays. There's no
reason to move in for business, no reason to move
in for basketball. I would absolutely have no problem committing
for two or three more years. He's going nowhere. You know,
you can draft his son if you want. But Lebron's
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still really elite player, and he was in this series
against a physical Denver team. But if you start looking
at the West, just the West, forget the Celtics, Denver
Mini OKC. You start looking at these teams out west,
they're better than the Lakers. I mean, here's a prime example.
The Denver Nuggets do not have a single player of
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their best four that ever have a horrible game. They
have horrible halfs. Jamal Murray can have a bad half,
but Jamal Murray will then have a great second half.
The Lakers, di Lo disappears for games at a time.
Ruey disappears for games at a time. Even Anthony Davis,
as great as he is, can be a no show
sometimes offensively. I mean, Michael Porter's their third best player.
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For Denver, he shot forty eight percent from three in
this series. He's an agile six to ten athlete with
a dead eye three point touch. He's their third best player. Okay,
he is significantly more talented, gifted, and better than the
lakers third best player, d Loo or Austin Reeves. They're
fourth best players, one of the better defenders, one of
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the longer bodies in the NBA, hustle guy aarn Gordon
way better, I would argue, and more valuable and more
consistent than the Lakers' third best player, and he's their fourth.
Not to mention, they have KCP who is just a
big shot maker. So you can blame Darvin Ham all
you want for this. The fact that they out played
Denver most of the series says something. Eric Spolster is
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one of the best coaches in this league over the
last fifteen year ten years, one of the best coaches.
He's getting worked in his series. Why the reality of
his roster The Lakers roster is top heavy, there's no bench.
Their third best player, de lo sometimes is a no show,
almost always against Denver. Well, what do you want from
Darvin Ham? He got the Lakers ready to play. I
(05:47):
thought they outplayed Denver again last night, but at no point,
even when the Lakers led that I think, Uh, Denver's
in trouble. Every time these two teams play, it always
looks the same. Denver's better late because Denver's got better
players and better closers and coffees for closers. Here was
Lebron about his future after and he thought.
Speaker 5 (06:08):
At all that, you know, this could have been your
last game with the Lakers. I'm not going to answer that.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Oh the sly smile by Lebron. He wants to be
a Laker, but he wants the Laker to make big moves.
He'll put the pressure on. I think they'll retain Lebron
and Darvin ham ads here for the long run, and
they'll go get a Trey Younger, a Donovan Mitchell. So Lebron,
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Curry and Durant out of the playoffs. We're just moving
into the second round. Since two thousand and five, one
of those guys sometimes all three one of those three
had made the second round of the playoffs. They're all gone.
So who's the next face of the league. Who's the
next face? Jokich, Tatum, Jannis, Luca, Sga, Wemby and Edwards
(07:03):
all vying some vine. Jokicic doesn't want to be the
face of the league. Who's the face of the league?
Who's gonn carry the tors now? They're all talented, but
there is no Patrick Mahomes to replace Brady manningan breeze.
It's not there. He was marketable, he was the best player,
He's the best quarterback. He plays the most important position.
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NBA diehards will tell you it's gonna be ant Edwards,
It's gonna be this guy, It's gonna be that guy.
The truth is they thought Iverson, Stevie, Francis and mar
Berry would replace Jordan, and half the league ratings disappeared.
I don't think any of these guys, maybe Wemby, although
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I'm not sure he wants it, will be the face
of the league. And this, like international soccer, is a
face of the league sport. You don't need it in
the NFL, although the VO has had it. But it's
a big part of this league. Now they're going to
Amazon reportedly, so a lot of people aren't gonna watch him.
When you go to streaming, your numbers can go down,
they generally do significantly. So a lot of people forget this.
(08:07):
They always think it doesn't matter what market you're in.
Yes it does. Lebron is the only small market face
of the league ever. Think I'm lying. Go back to
the seventies. It was like Jerry West the logo Los Angeles,
and then right after that, I felt like Doctor j
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big market Philadelphia, and then Magic La Byrd Boston, Steph Shaq,
Kobe all big market. Lebron's the only one in Cleveland.
Michael Jordan Chicago. And when Michael Jordan was the face
of the league, the look, the game, the style, the earrings,
the smile, and at that time Chicago had the number
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one NFL team, the Bears, Oprah was the biggest star
in daytime TV, and Siskel and Ebert were driving people
to theaters when people used to go to theaters. Chicago
has never been bigger than then the Bears Oprah, Jordan,
Saysdillan Ebert. It was flying, and then there's Lebron from Cleveland,
who for the record was a headline in high school,
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the chosen One, the King. We don't have anybody like
that now. So I don't know who the face of
the league is, but market size matters now. Could it
be Jalen Brunson. He's not dynamic enough. His game is excellent.
I love him, but that doesn't feel like magic played
different Bird, Kareem, Doctor Jay. Most of the faces of
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the league, I mean, Tim Duncan was the best player
for about five years. The big fundamental was never close
to the face of the league. You gotta have some pow,
some verticals, some shazam, and I do think Aunt Edwards
has a lot of that. But Minnesota is a football
market more than a basketball market. But this stuff matters.
I don't know who the face of the league is.
I love what I've watched in the playoffs. People always
(09:55):
bang on the NBA. I thought last night was one
of the best games I've seen in a year. I
thought the couple of Knights are earlier. Dallas Clippers second
half was one of the great nights I've seen a
basketball in this country. Anywhere globally, there's great basketball. Nick
Sixers has been unbelievable. I love the league. I love
the games, the fans, the Riems are sold out, the Stars,
it's international, but face of the league. I guess I'd
(10:19):
go Aunt Edwards and wamby Vy for it, but I
don't feel it yet. J Mack. They want Darvin Ham
out of here, and it cracks me up. You can
keep blaming Lebron's coaches. If you get rid of Darvin
what's he on his seventh eighth coach? You can keep
blaming the coaches. The Lakers match up pretty well and
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led for most of the series, but in the end
the better players Jamal Murray, Jogich, Porter hit baskets and
we have de Lo Reeves. Lebron and for the record,
a d because he plays such great defense, does usually
feel a little gassed late in the fourth quarter offensively
because he actually is banging on guys that are bigger
(11:03):
than him. So if you watch AD with the Lakers,
he is giving you such an enormous effort defensively, I
never feel like laiden games. I can depend on him offensively.
I'll just take the defense against Jokich, give me eighteen.
I'll be happy with it. Lebron's not playing that level
of defense. You know he's kind of hanging out in
the perimeter.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
It's a tough one.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
I banged on Darvin Ham all year. I don't think
he's the reason they lost his series. I mean, honestly,
Jamal Murray hit two fluke shots in the final.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Four seconds to knock him out.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
But I'll say this, Colin, you had a healthy Anthony Davis,
healthy Lebron healthy Austin Reeves. Like the team was healthy
and they were in the plan. That's kind of sort
of unacceptable.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
That's on the coach for in season movering. Like if
you're a.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
Top five seed, you don't have to face Denver to
start the playoffs and the Lakers would be advancing.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
You know that, right?
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Well, I don't know that. I think Oka c has
been better in Minnesota. We kind of both had questions
about the Thunder and t Wolves as playoff teams. They
look really good. T Wolves swept their guys, and okasee
Is has been better than I thought.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
T Wolves looked great. Don't you say?
Speaker 4 (12:09):
The Lakers have been the third best team in the
West of these playoffs so far despite losing four one.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
I don't know if they could. I do not think
the Lakers. I think Minnesota would beat them pretty quickly. Okay, see,
I do think they match up better against But Okacs
look great. They're really talented teams.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
The Lakers went toe to toe with the defending champs
and were minus eleven in a five game series.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Yeah, but they've done toe to toe twelve thirteen games.
To talk about last year, I don't know's that's that's
the reality. All these games look the same. The better
team always. This is the NBA. It's a long season.
The last four minutes of NBA games decide the winners.
Denver always wins these games.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Oh, they're also at home for the two buzzer shots.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Does it matter twelve to thirteen? They've won them all
the same way. Again, you blame who you want. Denver's
got better players.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
I don't disagree with that. Although guy Austin Reach showed
up in.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
The Boston has better players than Miami.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Well, we'll see with the Indiana.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Right now, because Dames Hurt has better players than Milwaukee.
Better players usually win the series. Philly, New York feels
like an outlier. It does feel like Philly's got more
high end players. But Jalen Brunson looks like the best
player in the series.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
I'm waiting for the Joel Embiid excuses to start. I mean,
you know that there's always something for that guy.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
All right, Top of next hour. Okay, coaching hires done,
free agency done, the draft is complete. We do one
of our final Herd hierarchies before the NFL season starts
one through ten. Who do we like? The draft can
absolutely change it. Maybe not take you from bad to great,
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but it can change very good teams, good teams to
very good, very good to maybe super Bowl teams. That's
coming up top of the hour.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
and neon Eastern not a em Pacific on Fox Sports
Radio FS one and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
All right, welcome back. Celtics are rolling Miami, by the way,
They're not asking for Eric Spolster to be fired, you know, no,
Jimmy Butler. There's roster realities with the Miami Heat right now,
and they're just one great shooting night away from getting
rolled completely in this series. So if you're a Celtics fan,
all you really care about is poor Zingis's health. Christops
(14:24):
Porsingis has like a non contact calf's sprain. You know,
Jamal Murray's been dealing with it, Yannis. It can go
either way. It's very fluky. You're not kind of sure
how to deal with it. But nobody has beaten the
Celtics in the East. A great example is last night.
Derek White is the fifth best player for the Celtics.
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He's a number two or a number three on most
NBA teams. He's a five for them. Analytically, he's great.
He's a top two way player in the league. Under Popovich,
he played great defense. He learned how to do it.
He's a terrific player. He was the best player on
the floor last night. Miami could stop him. And I
mean again, now Miami's got no Jimmy Butler and Bead's
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gonna get rolled. He'll be out. Giannis isn't playing either
his dame. We knew the East was gonna be, you know,
pretty easy work for the Celtics. It's easier, and I
feel like I'm watching one of those vintage Nick Saban
Alabama teams. I'm just waiting for him to get to
the National Championship. Nobody in the East was going to
beat the Celtics regardless. But Derek White taking over last
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night's game is a great example of how good they are.
Boston's number one concern frankly is concentration. You know, if
they're not ready to play. You know, it's the NBA.
The Knicks could give him trouble, but it's not close here.
The calf's sprain for porzingis because they're not beating Denver
and they're not beating Minnesota. They don't match up particularly
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well without porzingis they don't have the size. Al Horford's
not going to do it. So they need size to
beat Denver, Minnesota, Minnesota's Twin Towers giant team. So but
I when you watched that last night, all you need
to know. Everybody talks about rosters and Darvin Ham and Spolstra.
Derek White's the Celtics' fifth best player, and he is
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a top two way player in the league. Who's the Lakers'
fifth best player. That's the fifth best player. Michael Porter
on some nights is the nuggets fourth best player. Who's
the Lakers' most dependable third player. This stuff comes down
to dudes. Who's got more good dudes? New York Philly,
What we've discovered is MB's overrated, Brunson's underrated. So the
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best player in that series is actually a nick and
generally the best player in a series wins the series
if he has confident people around him. Boston is beyond competent.
Tatum Brown porsingis Drew Holliday. You know, last night was
just a clinic and there's nothing Spoe can do about it.
(16:55):
By the way, here is Tatum on Derreck White's game.
Speaker 6 (16:58):
Well, he's been aggressive. It just opens everything up right,
you know, whatever they try and take away, maybe for myself,
when you know your teammates are, you know, hitting shots
and being aggressive and attacking close out and making plays,
it kind of it really makes us very very hard
to guard, and you want everybody to to to be
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assertive and be aggressive and try to make plays. It
just makes us a better team.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Thirty eight points from their fifth best player. J Mackle the.
Speaker 7 (17:32):
News, No no turns, This is the herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Thirty eight points. A lot of points.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
Yeah, Derek White's nice. I'm not just saying this because
I have a Boston Futures ticket in the East and
to win the title. But without porzingis this year they're
twenty one and four. I know, regular season, I get it.
Postseasons different, the truncated game and defense.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
I think they're gonna be all right. I'll be shocked.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
I'll tell you Minnesota, Denver's gonna find out. They're a
hard matchup.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Did you see the gambling markets on this one? Denver
seventy percent chance to win the series?
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Essentially, I was like, that seems high.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Well, they're better and they're proven. Yeah, we'll see Jamal Murray.
Jamal Murray has to be healthy. It'll be great. I
watched them play three weeks ago in a regular season game.
It was like at one point two or something like
that was very close game one o four, one oh four,
and it was like go either way. And then, as expected,
Denver figures out a way to win those close clutch
time games. But you know, the Minnesota is just I mean,
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Phoenix looked not competitive. They gotta run off the court
four straight games.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
The problem in that series is I.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
Love Murray, he's a chucker talk some trash. I love
Anthony Edwards also chucker talks some trash.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Yeah, so I don't know who to root for.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Well, Murray's a better shooter. An's the more dynamics. Good.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Yeah, he's just amazing. All right, Let's go to some
crappy news.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
The Milwaukee Bucks on the brink of elimination tonight at home,
and it looks like they.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Will be without Giannis and Dame.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
Nothing official, but Sean Sharania says Milwaukee has them as
doubtful for Game five.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
Giannas hasn't played a game in the entire series.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
That's two straight playoff series seasons in which he has
been injured, and now Dame has an Achilles tendon strain.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Everybody in the league is hurt.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
Okay, Casers, though are four point favorites on the road.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
That game is a little rich for me. Hey, look
at the young teams. Okay, See's young, they're not injured.
Indiana's young, they're not injured. Minnesota's younger, they don't have injuries.
You know who's injured. The oldest team in the league
is Milwaukee. That's the oldest roster in the league, and
their two stars are out. So the NBA has always
been a little bit of a dangerous tap dance. You
want a veteran team, you don't want an old team.
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Milwaukee crossed that line two years ago. They're now old,
and old teams don't win finals. They don't win them.
That's why when the last old team to do it
was the Warriors beat the Celtics, and Wiggins didn't. Really
it was, first of all, steps he's still old, no,
and Wiggins at that point was still really a good player,
and it felt like he was in his prime. He's aged,
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but by and large, there's a difference between experienced and old.
The Lakers now Lebron's old. You know, Ad is great,
but he's moving toward because of the injuries a little old.
Milwaukee's officially old, and I think they crossed that like
a year and a half to two years ago. And
this is what happens the old teams. You fall apart.
(20:30):
By the way, the Clippers are an old team. Kawhi
Leonard you never know if he's gonna play or not.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
Well, listen, we saw this in the NFL. How many
quarterbacks got hurt and then every week there's like four
five games with crap not good quarterbacks, and that's frustrating.
And now we get to the NBA playoffs and it's like,
all right, Porzingis is down, Jimmy Butler's down, guys are hurt.
Left to ad played second half last night with one arm,
Like I don't know if you could just shorten all
the seasons. No owner wants to take less money. I
(21:00):
just it stinks when you got start. Jannis and Dame
Lillard are down.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Major League baseball's having this issue where none of the pitchers,
yeah you know the pitchers or all the star pitchers
are injured. So athletes are never been in better shape.
They've never trained harder and played harder and worked harder.
But the games are harder. They're all global. Now you're
facing the world's best. You got to bring it every night.
You can't do steak, potato, cigars and wine like MJ
after games and play eighteen holes of golf. It's a
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different world now. Cardio wise, the game's never been faster,
Hockey's never been faster, MLS, NBA, So it's like it's
you've got more injuries, and these guys are like finely tuned,
like violins. Like their bodies are tight, they're in great shape.
I mean, you go back and look at seventies baseball,
like nobody lifted weights like these guys now are finely tuned.
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And sometimes you get hurt more.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Do you have a play on the night's game Pacers
minus four.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
In the end is going to win the game? Yeah,
I think.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
The smart play.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
We knew it was a tough match up.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
We like the Faces, but did be careful with the
Bucks here. They got some guys here who will won
a championship. They're not gonna roll over. I would look
at the Bucks first quarter, gonna come out home court.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Guys, energy, viz seas. Maybe we get Damon Gianna's back
for Game six. Come on, it's not over and they
fight hard early in the first quarter.
Speaker 7 (22:14):
All right.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
Next up, speaking of elimination, Joel Embiid and the Sixers
on the verge of a first round exit, and Joel
Embiid says, there's no pressure on Philly.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
I had a tonight's game at the Garden.
Speaker 7 (22:29):
We got no fustion. We quit the seven see three
to one. You know a lot of guys are heard. No,
I don't know, Marve will feel the frush. So we
should just go out. Then go out and you know,
play our best basketball, and you know, one other town
win one, come back home win another one, and then
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game seven over that. So you know, I'm looking forward
to to it.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Uh yeah, no fushure, no pressure, Joel.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
And moments ago it was reported that he is suffering
from a migraine and he misshoot around today.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
No pressure, jo Will, no pole.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
I don't think shoot arounds that big of a deal
a migrain headache on the day of the well. I
think migrain headaches can be mitigated.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
Is that gonna be tough in the garden when every
person's screaming their lungs out wron?
Speaker 1 (23:18):
I think you know, water rest ibut prof and he'll
be fine. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
By the way, we have a graphic here of the
last time em bead faced elimination.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
All right, you remember it last year against Boston?
Speaker 1 (23:30):
I do?
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Yeah, how do you think he did?
Speaker 1 (23:32):
He was terrible?
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Yeah, here we.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
Go, fifteen points five of eighteen shooting minus twenty eight.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
He's really in this series, been shockingly bad. In the
fourth no rebounds.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
They don't say he's hurt.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
He's dealt with all right, fin again again early hurt
often is a big gonna move off him. You can't
keep selling me on MBAT, Like what I see and
what you're selling me on are two different things. You're
honest when healthy, is still dominant. Embead's not.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
He's not.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
And I was remembering a Game seven against the Hawks.
Remember the Ben Simmons.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Pass game at home?
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Embid, I know he had thirty one points, he had
eight turnovers, eight turnovers, an elimination gave it home.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
They lost.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
I'm just saying, yeah, when he gets bounced tonight and
you're hard on him tomorrow and I come off the
top rope with another elbow, well, I think, guys, I
don't want to hear it. Sixers fans they're all like,
you're so mean to Joel.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Embiid, Like, listen, it's like, honestly, Lebron left the East.
The East has never been weaker than this season. Like,
you gotta win a second playoff series when you have
Maxi as the best two in the series, whether Embiid
or Brunton or better, Maxi is the best two.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
I think he's talking about Embiid mentioned we got guys hurt, Well,
what about Julius Reynolds don't even playing.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
He's the knick second best player.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
And the Knicks also made a trade at the deadline,
which sometimes with chemistry, that's hard. It usually takes a
full season to get there so the Knicks. The Knicks
could use that excuse all. They want to get.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
Daryl Morey on the show once. They want two to
three kids.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
This is bad. This is bad. It's not good for Philly.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
All right.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Let's close up with the NFL. Interesting like sourced release here.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
So the Vikings and Patriots did draft quarterbacks obviously last
week at the draft, but things could have panned out differently.
According to reports, the Vikings offered the Patriots eleven and
twenty three along with the twenty twenty five first to
move up to third overall Vikings. The deal fell apart
(25:31):
as Minnesota also wanted more.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Second round picks. The Giants also wanted to move up
to third.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
They offered the sixth and twenty five first to move up.
Patriots declined, Who were these teams going after Colin?
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Gotta Drake May?
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Right, yeah, Drake May. So New England could have had
three first for one first, so New England could have
gotten Harrison wide receiver. Later in the draft twenty third,
they probably would have gotten an elite edge rusher, and
then next year obviously.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
I don't think I think the Cardinals were taking Harrison, right,
I mean, it feels like.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Well, no, but time out. Oh you're right, my bad,
my bad. Vikings go bad yet, So they New England
would have moved to eleven and twenty three. So eleven
gets you brock Bowers. Eleven probably gets you brock Bowers
and an elite edge rusher. I said you could go
either way. Listen, if you give me brock Bowers and
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Jared Verse and another number one pick next year, which
I could use on a quarterback, that's not that's not terrible,
because New England's going to be. New England's going to
be near the top of the next several drafts, even
with Drake. Mate, I don't know. I what does it
tell you that the I would have had to have
slept on? I would if I was the Patriots, and
(26:52):
I could have gotten the eleven and the twenty third
and another first along with my first, So I'd have
two first this year, two first next year. You got
to sleep on?
Speaker 4 (26:59):
Wait a minute, that tells you that the Patriots absolutely
loved Drake may right, their scouting department thinks he is
the man.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Well the people I trust. I told you Caleb would
go one, Jade and Daniels two. Okay, that's what I
was told we predicted that we were right. I was
told most of the people I talked to thought Drake
May actually had the best traits, including Caleb size, arm movement.
They thought he was there's a Herbert thing. He just
isn't quite ready to play. So that's interesting. I mean,
(27:28):
would you, Okay, let me ask you. You run New
England the eleventh, the twenty third, and then you get
another first next year.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
I like I like Drake May. I would have taken
on a second.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Oh that's fine, And I don't have a problem with
that answer either. I would have slept on it.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
This is the tricky part.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
So the Vikings claim they got their guy in JJ McCarthy,
when in reality they tried to move up to three
to get Drake May.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
So they settle for their second quarterback. Right was that
fair to say?
Speaker 7 (27:53):
Well?
Speaker 4 (27:53):
No, no.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
So that's a great point because I've been arguing this
whole time that the JJ McCarthy there was false. It's
Michael Pennix and Drake May or the quarterback people want.
I do not believe the Giants we're gonna move up
for JJ McCarthy. No, And I don't believe it would
have been smart to move up for JJ McCarthy, Drake
May because of his he's a bigger athlete, Drake May,
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I would move up for I'd have a hard time
with JJ McCarthy. So this whole narrative that the world
wanted JJ McCarthy, no Minnesota. So according to this story,
the Vikings were willing to move up, give up two
firsts hold up and three first to get three, but
they were willing to give up a fourth and fifth
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rounder to get McCarthy. So the truth is they like, May,
we would guess more than because if the Patriot said no,
wouldn't the Vikings have tried to move up to six
with the Giants thinking they would take their guy.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
Yeah, the Vikings tried to get second round picks back
from the Patriots, and they were like, now we're not
doing right.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Right, But it doesn't it confirm that the JJ McCarthy
narrative was way overblown. Of course, the team that got
him basically wanted to scramble to get into the third
spot and then was willing to wait once they didn't
get that quarterback.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
I obviously somebody's going to be way wrong on Drake May.
Not just you and I, but a lot of people
around the league. They will either oh, how did we
pass on Drake May? Or boy should have taken those
picks for Drake May. And I think it's gonna be
fascinating to watch, So I like him a lot.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
I'm Drake May and the Vikings have a connection. We
talked about this before the draft. There's a coach on
that staff that is connected to Drake May. Remember Cliff Kingsbury,
like Antonio Pierce, Raiders had a connection to Jayden Daniels.
He wanted him, you know. Cliff Kingsbury liked the style
of Jaden McDaniels because he'd had similar quarterbacks. So there's
(29:53):
often this connectivity that makes a team want to move
up for a specific guy. J mcklenews, Well, that's the news,
and thanks for stopping by the herd Line News. So
it's interesting we're talking about Lebron James. People are saying
he's going to retire. But I was thinking about this
driving in this morning, right now, this second today, who is,
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without a doubt, unquestionably on a night by night consistency
production basis better than Lebron. In the NBA, I would
say Jokic, Tatum, Luca Jannis Sga, Jalen Brunson. On a
regular basis, six guys on those nights are consistently more
productive now, and I would take Lebron over half those
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guys if you gave me last possession or one game.
Lebron to me is in the very next level, like
six or seven through twelve A d k D Jalen Brown, Ant,
Kyrie steph MB that level of guy. But there's a
reason that Tom Brady kept playing and would have maybe
played even longer if he wasn't going through some you know,
(30:57):
the personal situation he went to. He was very good.
Lebron's very good. So Lebron James made the most fourth
quarter baskets in the entire league this year, in the
regular season, in the playoffs. So Lebron's still really good.
Retire to? What make another Space Jam movie? What's he
going to retire to? This is why Brady kept playing.
So there's only three guys in this league that went
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twenty five, seven and seven, three Luca Jokich and Lebron.
So I have no idea why you'd want him to retire.
I think he's good for the league. Lakers have Lebron
when the games are on. I stick around and watch,
so they're not in terrible shape. The Lakers are not
in terrible shape. There's no reason to go. They're not
in championship shape. And that's the difference right now the
(31:41):
Lakers last couple of years, here's their roster. Lebron plus
A D plus guys, that's what they are. Lebron plus
A D plus got different names, same dudes, So they
got to go Lebron, ad Donovan, Mitchell, Lebron a D
Trey Young. Then you can have maybe a fourth guy
(32:04):
that's a hit and miss or Ruey and Austin Reeves
or whatever it is. But this summer, if you want
to change the results, you have to change the roster.
And they do have three the ability to move three
first round picks one this year and down the road
to others and then d Lo's off the books. But
here here was Lebron's confidence on the current roster of
the Lakers.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
The way that you guys did, does that give you
were still any further confidence in this group?
Speaker 5 (32:28):
No, because we lost.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
I don't. I don't.
Speaker 5 (32:34):
I'm not a participation guy. We lost, and you know,
you move on and see how you can get better.
But in our season has been derailed all season with
just like injuries and guys in and out. And you know,
I talked about it all year. He was around us
all year. I said, I don't it's hard to say
who we are what we can be because we have yet.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
To be whole.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Yeah, that's why the Lakers, in my opinion, need to
go out and get a star in his twenties. You
may not get Ad playing this many games again. You
may not get Lebron playing this many games again. So
all these teams in the West, Minnesota's got an Ant,
and the Phoenix has Booker. OKC He's got Sga, and
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Dallas has Luke. All these teams in the West have
a twenty year old star. That's what Golden State's dilemma is,
who's their twenty year old star? Right, You're gonna get
fewer minutes from Clay if you keep him, or a
Draymond or a Steph Curry or a Wiggins, You're gonna
get fewer minutes from Ad. Hasn't played this long, this Harden,
(33:38):
this many games in forever, like I mean since like
year two in the league. So it's you want different results,
change the roster, be sure to catch live editions of
The Herd weekdays and noon Easter not a im Pacific. Hey,
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(34:00):
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(34:20):
you get your podcasts.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
Saturday on Fox, the United Football League takes center stage
as the Houston Roughnecks battle AJ McCarron and the Saint
Louis battle Hawks.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
It all kicks off Saturday at three Eastern on Fox.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
So Travis Kelsey signed a new deal, two year deal
with Kansas City. Listen. He's he's creative and he's in
sync with Mahomes. They're the number one kind of tight
end quarterback duo playoff history fact number one duo I
think in playoff history. So he's just one of those guys.
When you get to the playoffs and you get to
(34:57):
really situational football and it's third seven, it just feels
like Mahomes and Kelsey are Brady and Gronk. It's hard
to explain. They always know where the other's at. Both
are creative, both are in sinc and you get these
occasional Edelman Brady had it as well. Briefly Wes Welker
and Brady had it. You just got to resign it
(35:21):
until the wheels come off, you know. It is interesting, though,
when I look at Kansas City. Two teams have dominated
the NFL for twenty three seasons, yet everybody else thinks
they've got a shot. I want you to think about this,
and that's what's great about the NFL. It's the league
of hope. Everybody thinks they've got a shot. But if
you have the best coach and the best quarterback, which
(35:42):
Brady had for years and now Kansas City has, you'll
dominate the league. Kansas City in New England last twenty
three years have been to thirteen Super Bowls in the
last twenty three years, the Patriots or the Chiefs won
nine of the twenty three Super Bowls. Kid about forty percent.
Kansas City is favorite again. Next year should be New
(36:03):
England Kansas City. Those two have been in the AFC
championship thirteen straight years. Think about that. That's like, that's
better than Alabama dominance. With saban So Mahomes Brady and
Peyton Manning in a twenty three year span, we're in
(36:23):
seventeen of the Super Bowls. That's insane. That's like, you
know in Yukon women, when you get sometimes in sports
like a star, you know, Roger Feeder in his prime,
like you just kind of know what you're getting. But
we understand those sports are dynasty driven or individual sports
which are individually led Tiger Woods in his prime. That's
(36:44):
what the NFL is. If you have an a coach
and an a quarterback, you're going to be really good.
And that's why increasingly it's become easier and easier and
easier as I do this job making NFL predictions, the
AFC has gotten very easy predicting who's going to make
the playoffs, who's the best quarterback in the division, and
do they have a plus coach. So my Super Bowl
(37:08):
bubble this morning, and it really comes down to who
are the quarterbacks In my Super Bowl bubble. I have
Mahomes in Kansas City, Lamar Jackson and Baltimore, Matt Stafford
and the Rams, the Lions roster, which I think is sick,
San Francisco, Green Bay, and I have Joe Burrow on
the bubble and Josh Allen on the bubble. I want
to kind of see what Buffalo looks like on the
(37:30):
perimeter offensively. They went and drafted a great young player
in college. We'll see if it works. Joe Burrow trying
to get healthy. I'm not sure about t Higgins right now.
But basically right there, you've got really high end quarterbacks
and brock perty and really really high end coaches across
the board. I'm Sean McDermott, I may push back on,
(37:50):
but he was making the playoffs pre Josh Allen, so
he obviously knows what he's doing. But I think sometimes
you forget this league is like it's much clo of
the NBA and baseball than you think. If you get
the A coach and you get the A quarterback, it's
very repetitive just think about this Manning Mahomes and Brady
(38:12):
seventeen of twenty three Super Bowls. You just don't think
of NFL in that space. That's what it is. Here's
Brett Veach, GM of the Chiefs on Travis Kelcey's new contract.
Speaker 8 (38:24):
Every now and then you have one of these guys
that are that are outliers, and certainly Travis's is one
of those players. It's funny, it's not even me yet.
And today we had a chance to get out there
in phase two and guys were out there running around
and Travis was the first guy in line, and I
mean he looked like he was twenty eight years old.
And again, I mean, the odds of someone playing this
(38:46):
far into the thirds are very low, but it does happen,
and it happens with just you know, unicorns in the profession,
and Travis is one of those.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
I think what you're seeing two things with players in health.
Anytime I see this play injured back in eight weeks,
it always feels like they're back in six Players get
healthier faster. The medical profession, the methods, the practices, the procedures,
it's just better than ever. And the second thing is
(39:15):
guys are lasting longer. I mean last year I kind
of felt like, man, Travis Kelcey, he's getting a little
long in the tooth. And then I watched the playoffs
and he was unbelievable. So I think, what happens. You
see it with Lebron, you know, you saw it with
Brady at the end. You see it with Travis Kelcey.
You may not always be great, you may not always
have your fastball in the middle of the season, but situationally,
(39:39):
at the end of seasons, you're still an A plus
plus performer. All right, Nick Wrights around the corner J Mack, So,
I've got only a couple of Herd hierarchies before the
NFL season starts. We're now in late April. May's around
the corner. So we have all the coaches and all
the staffs in, all the free agent signings, we have
all the draft picks in. We will have the Herd
(40:01):
hierarchy top ten.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
Looking forward to it.
Speaker 4 (40:03):
On the Super Bowl bubble, I went and looked at
the odds. It seems like you're missing some teams.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
Colin.
Speaker 4 (40:09):
You have the Packers. You're bullish on the Packers, love
them so ahead of the Packers. Super Bowl odds are
the Dallas Cowboys. I saw him play last year in
Dallas blowout Philadelphia Eagles. I have questions about Nick Sirianni
and the Houston Texans. I like the Houston Texans. I'll
see if I love them.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
Love to get into the bubble.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
I need love, not like I saw the Jets getting
rebuffed at the door.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
They they didn't have cover, didn't before it
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