May 9, 2024 • 40 mins
Colin gives the Knicks props for their toughness to take a commanding 2-0 lead in the 2nd round of the playoffs despite all their injuries
He discusses Nikola Jokic winning his 3 MVP and why we are reluctant to acknowledge his greatness
LeBron James and JJ Redick respond to Colin's thoughts on important people wearing their hat on backwards
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Oh, here we go in a Thursday. Lots to discuss,
as always in LA, it's the hurt wherever you may be,
however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part
of your day. Well, well, well, the Knicks were so
vulnerable last night. They got players missing, bigs out, Brunson,
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globbiy and I felt more than the first game in
the series. I felt clearly the Knicks were better never
never in the second half, thought Indiana could win Game one.
It went back and forth, and I kind of liked Indiana,
but it feels like almost now. Was that Indiana's best punch?
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Remember I said PACER's money line tell great about it
for much of the game, and goodness, Grace is can
the Pacers get a stop?
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Ever?
Speaker 3 (01:12):
I mean this Nicks team, what a game?
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Yeah? So the playoffs unveil the Posers and the frauds,
the fakers, that's the Pacers. I mean, what more could
Indiana have in their favor. Julius Randall, second leading scorer,
has been out the entire playoffs, and then it's announced
Mitchell Robinson out for the rest of the playoffs. Jalen
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Brunson played early, then disappeared because he was hobbled, came
back in the second half. Oh g's not at one
hundred percent. Everything lined up for the Pacers, and we
know the NBA officials have been doing this for the
entire playoffs. They're letting players be physical. It's better basketball.
And the Pacers are a tempo team, a finesse team,
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a get up and down the floor team, and they
can't adjust on the fly. So it's like asking a
finesse football team to go into Baltimore and face the Ravens.
That's why the Ravens had like six blowouts this year
at home. The Knicks are shooting fifty five percent from
the floor in the playoffs because Indiana won't put a
body on them. But it's more than that New York's DNA.
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They're a physical bunch of guys and they're now being
allowed to be even more physical. The Pacers are a
finesse team, and they're trying to fake it because now
the league is set as a whole, we're gonna let
everybody play. So you notice the teams that are flourishing
in the playoffs, they're the physical teams that the NBA
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is allowing to be even more physical. It plays right
into their style. The Celtics, the Knicks, the t Wolves,
Okac but Rick Carlisle, No, no, no, no, he's blaming
market size.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
We deserve a fair shot, you know, And and it's just, uh,
it's just not It's just there's not there's not a
consistent balance their their physicality is rewarded and ours is penalized.
Just you know, time after time, small market teams deserve
an equal shot. They deserve they deserve a fair shot,
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no matter where, no matter where they're playing.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
That sounds like a fan Oklahoma City flourishing, Minnesota flourishing, Spurs,
Dynasty Bucks with a title. Major markets like New York.
Previous to this year, for twenty years, Atlanta, DC, Chicago,
Detroit had been in the toilet forever. Both LA teams
are out, the Bay Area teams out. Give me a break. Philadelphia,
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big market can't get past the second round. This is
the first time New York's been relevant forever. Go look
at the last four minutes of the game. Go look
at the rebounds. Nicks have nine, Pacers have three. So
the Indiana issue is that their construction is built for
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speed and tempo, and New York's construction before the season
started was built for toughness. And even when the Knicks
lose a tough guy Randall or a tough guy Mitchell
Robinson and Bruns in another tough guy has hobbled their
their their DNA is still built for these playoffs, as
is OKC and Minnesota and Boston. I mean this last night,
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it was served up for you. Bruns an n og
Are hobbling around. Isn't about market size. You're getting bullied,
especially in the fourth quarter, where the Knicks have been
a good clutch time team this year. But watch these
fourth quarters. This is like a guy that's a finesse
boxer trying to be a bully, and it's like a
bully hobbled but still allowed to be a bully. In
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the Indy opposer, this is not what they are. The
league tweaked the rules and they can't adjust because it's
not the construction of the lineup. Here's TIBs after.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
We know we're not going to be able to shoot
the ball like that every night. So when we're not,
we got to be able to win with our defense
and are rebounding our hustle and we're shorthanded to start
with him. Maybe that this might be a byproduct of
being shorthanded all year.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Like, we know that this is our way.
Speaker 5 (05:25):
Our way is to play really hard all the time
and to play together, and if we do that, we'll
have a chance.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
This series is all about fight, determination, focus, and hustle
and toughness. Check check check check check check check nixt
winning all of those. Okay, So Jokic Nikola Yokich won
his third MVP in four years. And I don't think
NBA players and former NBA players are rooting for this
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shack last night on TV. This is not who he
wanted to win.
Speaker 6 (06:00):
You know, I love you, the best player in the league.
I want to congratulate you, but I want you to
hear from me first. I thought the SGA should have
been the MVP. Has no disrespect to you, but congratulations.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Thank you, Shame we don't trust people here, you know.
So that's fine. I'm joking.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Here's the thing. Jokic is the best player in the world,
not having a great series, best player in the world.
But aesthetically, uh, it's not a very pretty game. And
aesthetics have always mattered in the NBA, starting with Doctor
j On. They can sometimes fool us, but in this
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sport they matter. I mean, as a kid, you know,
I grew up as a kid. Most kids are not
sitting around mimicking and copying Jokic's game near the basket.
They're doing that with ant or mj or Kobe, and
that matters in the NBA. So two things we know
are true. Europeans are taking over the league. Most don't
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want to be faces of the league, and and Tatum
as domestic players, may be the only roadblock to that
in the next decade. Ant is what a face of
the league sort of plays like vertical trash talk in
your face, let me guard the best guy. A lot
of his points are absolutely it's like old school NBA
eighties nineties. A lot of his points are spectacular and
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physical and dunking on you. And that is the history
of the NBA. But Even in the NFL, aesthetics play
a huge role. I'll give you an example. The entire
time Brady was dominating the league, death by a thousand
cups precision detail. All I heard, it's Belichick game manager.
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Anybody could do this. Aaron Rodgers won a single Super Bowl.
Brady had a collection. But the minute Aaron Rodgers, who's
got more style and flash, won a single super Bowl,
you started hearing goat talk what he got one? The
minute Mahomes won his second super Bowl, also a player
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with lots of style, goat talk. I don't know Tom's
got like seven. And it wasn't until Tom Brady. Remember this,
he wins the Atlanta super Bowl, Right, he gets the
Atlanta super Bowl, the super Bowl down there is fifth.
Then he surpasses Montana and then and only then with
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his fifth we said, all right, okay, he's the goat.
Aaron Rodgers got that chatter, like substantial chatter after one,
Mahomes after two. So even in the NFL, style matters,
And I mean Michael Vick got on the cover of
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Madden didn't have a long history of sustained playoff success.
So Jokic doesn't have that style. Style matters, and in
the NBA, of all the leagues, it probably matters more
than any other league. And I do think current players
and former players don't love Jokic kind of taking over
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the league and the awards. I mean, he is the
most valuable player in the league. Now we've seen Aunt explode.
I think next year Wemby will be on a very
very short list of players to do that. For a
couple of years it was Jannis. Now he gets banged
up more often. But I think what Shaq said wasn't
just numbers, it was sort of what the league is
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rooting for. Because if you go back and look at
when this league has been its most popular and discussed,
you know, it's like Michael j Magic Bird. And as
the league's gotten more international, it's not necessarily helped the
domestic ratings. Now, the league's always going to make money.
But I do think Jokic winning this. I mean the
MBD MVP last year felt like an anti Jokic vote
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as much as it did a pro Joe LMBIID vote.
I mean, m Beat's not nearly as valuable as Yolkic
as a player. He doesn't have that kind of distribution talent,
he's you know, Jokic plays more often, he's more readily available,
he elevates other players due to his brilliant passing, his
ability to hit three point shots. Yokic is more valuable
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than m Beat. Everybody knew it, and they still gave
it to m Beat. It was a better story and
it felt more true to what NBA players and former
players want the league to be, not what the league
now is very European and Jokic being the best player
j Mac last night is one of those you know,
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and so they osay styles make fights, and I'm watching
that game and I'm thinking, as Jalen Brunson leaves the
floor in the first half, and I'm thinking, no Randall,
no Robinson, no Brunson. OG's not one hundred percent. And
I'm like, if you can't. Then the third quarter starts
and it's all Nicks and You're like, okay, you're you're
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trying to pretend you want to get physical, but it's
just not Indiana. It's just not who you are, has
nothing to do with markets.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Well, there's one guy in Indiana who was physical, TJ McConnell,
and then Rick Carlisle took him off the court for
the final seven minutes and the pacer stopped being physical
with Brunson. I mean Collinson. You know, I love the NBA.
I love NFL. I gotta say I was thrilled last
night that the game ended early so I could get
to bed at a reasonable hour. Yeah, because these double
headers every night in the NBA, they're taxing NFL. We
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talk about it. It's like Thursday night football, Sunday night football,
Monday night. You get to rest. The other nights of
the week. NBA there's double headers. You go to bed
a like ten eleven o'clock.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
At I know, I tried being out east.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Yeah, thank goodness, I moved out here.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Tried being out east. All right, good stuff. Today, Julian
Edelman will stop by our show that he was at
that roast, among other things.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
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Speaker 1 (12:00):
We're now entering the No Bull Zone, sponsored by Credible
Great Rates None of the bull. So I do appreciate
Lebron James and JJ Reddick responding to me. Some would
say lashing out, but I would just say, responding because
I talked about a very very serious issue in America
that I see now exploding. I do not like it
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at all. It is important people wearing their hat backwards.
We got into this very serious topic yesterday on the show.
Don't love the backward hat for JJ Reddicks.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
It's going to open with that. Reddick's got an interesting look,
collared shirt, backwards hat.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Didn't add it up. Arm I didn't hear a word,
Lebron said. I couldn't stop staring at the hat. JJ
Reddick's going for NBA head coaching jobs. He looks like
a guy who's going to move my couch. Didn't like it.
I would tell JJ to his face. I'm like, dude,
you're going to be an executive in this league. You're
going to be a high level executive or coach, bro whatever.
You guys can go ahead and push back on that stuff.
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I didn't like it. My opinion, my show, our show,
and I can't do I can't just I don't like
that look at all. You are going to be an
NBA co He's one of the most cerebral guys in
the world talking basketball. Literally, he's so layered beyond he's
like a great He's Christopher Nolan in Hollywood. He is
directing at a different level. JJ Reddick is talking back
to ball at a different level. And look at this guy.
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I mean, listen, folks, we can't just keep lowering our
standards or pretty soon hat on backwards becomes flip flops
and board shorts to work. If I have to be
the mean guy that starts the national dialogue on I
don't know standards, so be it. We can't trust our politicians.
Have you seen the three people running for president? Yikes?
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I won't be part of that. As America's honesty broker,
sometimes I talk about stuff you don't want to hear
but need to hear. And I'm sad to say I'm
getting a lot of pushback on this as Lebron and
JJ Riddick lashed out at me. Okay, I'll take it.
That's fine, go ahead. Standards are standards. If not me,
then who raises this serious issue. Somebody's got to I've
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started a national dialogue. We'll go back and forth on this.
God bless me and God bless America. Nick Wright understood
the seriousness of it.
Speaker 7 (14:17):
Even if people vehemently disagree with you on the specifics
of backwards hat for forwards hat. I don't really give
it that JJ Reddick was wearing a backwards hat at all.
I would not hire JJ Reddick right now to be
the head coach of the Los Angeles Lakers that he
responded to the.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Clip now, I do not feel that way. Steve Kerr,
one of the smartest people I've ever covered and one
of the smartest people in league history, went from a
very very funny, sardonic, witty broadcaster an hour later he
was a general manager. But JJ Reddick's got a great future.
I am to turn your life around, you have to
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first turn your hat around. And that's all I'm gonna
say about that. Jamak with the news.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
This is the herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
I'm glad you you pushed back a little, but I
think you're coming around.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
I'm gonna stay out of this one. I don't I
don't need to catch any shrapnel. I'm just over I'm
just over here catching straight.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Well, you're blasting JJ Reddick and Lebron blasting's not quite it.
I think I'm trying to side a little bit.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Yesterday in front of you on purpose. I think you chuckled,
but it doesn't matter. You're gonna be wearing a tech
top sooner and everybody will enjoy that one. The Jets
on the AFC East, All right, Uh, let's go to
the NBA.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
The MAVs.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
They dropped game one in Okay. See Luca and Kyrie
kind of struggled, especially Luca came to us tonight. Yes,
I'm on the MAVs again. We will see if they're
able to slow m VP runner up SGA, who got
seemingly every call in the world, shot a billions throws,
finished with twenty nine points.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Small market guy got the calls. What's happening at home?
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Come on, Homer calls Luca six of nineteen nineteen points
on nineteen shots. He's got the bum kneed has no
lifting in the three.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
If you noticed when you watch OKAC, they look a
little like the Knicks on the floor, hustling defense. Yeah
they do. They play like the Knicks. They're a tough
team being allowed to play even tougher, a physical team
being allowed to play even more physical like the Knicks.
And what a shock they're both crushing it.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Well, this at home. That usually happens that we didn't
see Denver have that urgency in that hustle getting the
offensive boards. We saw from Okce, we saw from the Knicks.
I think a different Dallas comes out tonight. I will
say this. You know, our great producer found this quote
an anonymous veteran assistant coach. You could almost sense a
sigh of relief from Lucas teammates when he checks out
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of the game. It's a sense of Hey, now we
get to play. It's difficult to have rhythm if you're
not touching the ball.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Can I can? I say?
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Oh, come on, don't.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
This has been my assertion that some stars are easier
to play with than others. Jason Tatum is very easy
to play with. Kobe was not always easy to play with.
He needed Shack and Gasol to take the ball away
at times. If he didn't respect you, Kobe would just
shoot his way out of a slump. Gasol and Shack
he respected their games, or a Derek Fisher. Okay, so
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I'm not I'm not hitting it. I'll move off. Lebron's
always been willing to move off if he's cool. If
his game cools down, he in his prime years would
move off. Luca is not easy to play with. Brunson's
become a superstar in this league. Leaving him.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
It was very good with him, Yeah, he was conference
very good.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
He not good anymore.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Conference finals with Luca. But this is such non I
almost said a bad word. Sorry, such nonsense, because Colin,
where was this when they were on a seventeen to
two run.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Well, the regular season's great game. We have to be
honest about this regular season, especially late regular season winning
streaks in the NBA are fraudulent. Have a third of
the league is like tanking, like they want to get
better draft positions. The best teams are often load management,
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resting their sort of semi hobbled stars. So I've been
on this for years that you've got to be varied.
Sometimes a late season winning streak can matter. The Sun's
played great late in the season. Last ten games they
got swept, Dallas played great, look at it. The other
thing what is true is playoff basketball has always rewarded
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physical teams and healthy teams. You know, Jannis Dame banged up,
and Bead banged up, Luca banged up. It's hard enough
to win these games when your centrifical force is banged up.
Now you could say Brunson's banged up, but yet in
the second half last night he put the cape on
did it again. So the Knicks are hard to figure out.
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Some of it's just the East isn't very good. But
this is my assertion, with Luca, not all stars. It's
a big difference playing with Tatum than Mellow, or different
perhaps playing with Brunson than with the Kobe. Like, not
all stars are perfect, and not all of them are
easy to play with.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
So it sounds like you like okay See tonight they're
favored by five.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
I think okay See is the better team, the deeper team,
and the healthier team. Interesting.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
I'll just say, I'm just glad you're not a Luca
Bowl centric kind of guy here on this show. Well,
you share the ball. Well, I've worked with guys who
don't share. Well, I'm sure you have as well.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
It's not fun, right, It's just more fun when we
can laugh together. Not just yeah, I mean it's always
more fun when more people can have fun at the party.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Right, Let's move on to the Nuggets. Oh boy, they
are in deep, deep trouble. Deep down two now head
to Minnesota. They get an extra day off to think
about the losses. After dropping the first two game at home,
your friend Draymond Green believes it might be too late
for Denver to claw back for down.
Speaker 8 (20:06):
Bad right now. No, not because they down to oh
or oh to two in their case, but because you
can tell they confidence was snatched. Their belief was snatched.
There's a lot of doubt now sure when they leave Denver, well,
whether they get on that plane to Minnesota tomorrow or
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the following day on Wednesday, they get on that plane,
doubt and uncertain if they can compete with the Minnesota
timber Woods.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
He feels like he's being generous, king this is over well.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
I think his point on the Volume podcast network, I
think his point is good. It's not that they've lost,
it's how they've lost. And I think Draymond's right. They
look like a team that's rattled and like almost not
interested in getting into this sort of street fight like Minnesota.
This is pitball and a beach ball. Like it looked uncomfortable.
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Denver was uncomfortable in that game, like I think Indiana
looks uncomfortable in the fourth quarter against the Nick's aggressiveness.
Philadelphia didn't look uncomfortable. They just didn't play well, Philadelphia
was willing to get into that street fight. Indiana is
just not built for it. I don't know if Denver's
built for the relentless defense and depth and size of
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Minnesota and what you're seeing now in the NBA. And
this is why NBA playoff basketball. It's the only sport
that looks totally different than the regular season. I mean,
if you watch a Dodger game now in the postseason,
you will screw around with your pitching rotation to get
the best pitchers in the playoffs, but by and large,
your lineups your lineup. It's an individual sport. Guys don't
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go up with days off. They want to get hits,
and pitchers want to get outs. In the NFL, and
in hockey, you can't just casual it. You got to
have your head in the swibb. You can get hurt.
But in basketball, the season is so long that the
regular season there's an apathy barrement your rotations, You rest guys,
and when the playoffs get here, some teams just cannot
flip that switch. So Denver player or Minnesota was a
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physical team all year. The Knicks were physical, and now
the league saying, yeah, we're gonna reward you be more physical.
And some of these teams, like Denver and it's all
look like they want to fight, you know.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
And again it's not to knock the Denver players, but
you're right, they don't look like they've got the dog
in there like Jaden McDaniel's Anthony Edwards. These guys are,
they're getting after it. Even Walker, the kid from Virginia Tech,
who gets in like he's picking up full court, you know,
slapping the floor, clapping and he's ready to go. I
think this is gonna be Denver get swept. And then
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we got a lot of questions like maybe the Phoenix
Suns aren't that bad. They were more competitive than Denver, right, right?
What does Denver do? Can they retool?
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Yeah? No, I mean it seems this I think we
both said this the other day. Well I did it
because I live with it. Is that in the seventies
NBA you had a lot of really good teams that
had two good years. The Sixers, the Sonics, the Blazers,
the Warriors. They didn't become dynasties. They were all really
good teams. I could take them. I could name the
starters for all of them. Is this the seventies NBA.
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Usually you have a dynasty somewhere in the decade. It's
a Laker dynasty, it's a Bull dynasty, it's ce Celtic dynasty,
it's the Spurs back to the Lakers, it's the Warriors.
We've had a lot of dynasties, the Heatles kind of
this is like a non the last five winners. This
year we may have our six different champ in six years.
So we've had a Bucks, a Laker, a Warrior, a Raptor.
I think we're headed to a t Wolve, Thunder or
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Celtic championship. So they all did a six different team
in six years.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Probably with the seventies, is there there weren't even three
point the three point line didn't even exist. There was
like twenty four teams. If you look at the last
like I don't know, going back to the Magic's Lakers
and Jordan's Bulls, Like, there's all been dynasties that's always seen.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
The seventies five years the set. What I'm saying is
the seventies is the only decade that I watched the
NBA without it. Eighties, nineties, two thousands, it's all been
dynasties for a majority of the decade. I think we're
moving back into we don't have a dynasty now. I
didn't think Denver looked a little like the Spurs.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
They felt dynastics, But apparently they're not just Minnesota. I
don't know, don't think they do. And listen, I know
people will say the writing and say this just stop.
Like you know, YouTube is where a lot of the
kids live these days. YouTube. There's like double the followers
subscribers on YouTube for the NBA to the NFL. NBA
is a young person sport. Yes, I'm just curious how
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the young people are going to adjust to this, because like.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Oh, they'll be fine. Young people are much better at
adjusting than old people. Old people don't adjust. What point,
Young people adjust all the time? Smart point.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Final story is Joe Burrow, another guy you like. He's
in attendance at Bengals OTAs back to throwing footballs. You
remember he had the season ending risk surgery in November.
Here he is talking to media about his recovery and
the challenges he's faced.
Speaker 9 (24:56):
This was a difficult injury. It's been a tough, tough
several months, but physically it's not the worst injury that
I've had. You know, I've been through much much tougher
things physically, and so that's been a positive. I've been
able to really lift and continue my off season program
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kind of the way that it always has been.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
They need to have serious conversations about next draft drafting
quarterback second third round.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
I almost saw Joe Burrow a backwards hat toan I
don't want to know.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
It's practice. I'm not kidding.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
It's a podt it just to be sure podcast. And
I looked. I looked it up. By the way, Burrow's
missed fifteen games in the last four years, so the
glass Joe Moniker.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
To shoot fits. Listen, Brady got upset because he still
had a he he had stuff in the tank, and
he was right when they went and got Garoppolo. But
New England a was drafted quarterbacks mostly like fourth, fifth,
sixth round until Garoppolo. But I do think next year,
if the day went and drafted a quarterback, if Joe
got hurt again, even for a month he played fourteen
of the eighteen, I think you have to second third round.
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You have to address and Joe has to understand we're
having to play backups all the time. Now we need
a good backup.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Well the kid was it Browning? I thought he was
maybe you just should draft a quarterback every single year.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Well, you and I have talked about that. Is that.
It's some things. I believe two things in football. In
the next decade, people will figure it out. I think
there's a science to the draft, and I think there's
really three positions you should draft high nine out of
ten years, offensive tackles, great defensive lineman, and quarterbacks. I
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think you can get speed everywhere third round.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
On well, edge rusher or defensive tackle, because that's just
a big difference in quarterback, left tackle or great defensive
presence up.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
It could be interior Chris Jones. That should be your
first round pick and a majority of your second round picks.
I think the science is coming out more and more
and more and more. ESPN had a researcher this year
that came out with it and acknowledged that the positions
you should draft early are quarterback, tackle, guard, center. You're
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bigs and as you got down to receivers and backs,
you had way more misses early because you can get
speed anywhere. God gives a lot of people speed doesn't
give a lot of people size and good feet. And
the second thing I think that we'll look back on
in twenty years or ten years is sixty quarterbacks play
every year. Why don't you carry two starters. That's why
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I totally defend Atlanta. Atlanta is on the forefront of
this trend to have two. At worst, you should have
a Gardner Minshew as a backup. At worst the quarterback.
You just have to have a conversation with quarterbacks. We're
going to have a B plus quarterback. We're looking for
an A, but we're going to have a B plus
guy Miami with two. I has to have a legit.
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And if the quarterback can't handle it, nobody wants to
hear your pity party. You're paid twenty five thirty five
forty five million a year, but I think you're gonna
look back and go, we're playing sixty quarterbacks a year.
Why why does everybody have like a a discount backup quarterback.
It's a real position.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Yeah, Like Broncos fans were upset. Remember they had Stidham
and then they got Zach Wilson like right before the draft,
and then they draft bon Nicks in the first round.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
That's what you should have.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
That's the smart movie.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
You should have a starter that didn't work as a
franchise guy. Zach Wilson didn't work as a franchise guy.
But a first round quarterback talent as your backup, that's
a legitimate back.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
I mean, Stidham has shown well in.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Stidham's not good enough to be a back. You should
be able to lose. Teddy Bridgewater to me, is like
that was the classic great backup. Breeze goes out like
he goes five.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
And oh, I think he was a first round play.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
That's my point. So when you're a first round quarterback
and you don't make it and like seventy percent don't
make it, that's who I want as a backup. Teddy
Bridgewater can go five, and oh, Zach Wilson could go too,
and oh in Denver with Sean Payton as a coach.
And the league just does not take backup quarterbacks seriously
at all. In sixty five guys play a year.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Did you say the hit rate in the first round
was like fifty percent for quarterbacks? Yeah, and so what
is it like the third, fourth, fifth round.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
By the way, Kenny Pickett is a guy who should
be a backup. But Kenny Pickett has started for a
profoundly important franchise. Kenny Pickett may not want to hear that,
but Kenny Pickett or a Mitched Trubisky, that's a reasonable backup.
That's what I'd want my roster. A guy who started
big games, played in big TV games, was viewed as
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a first second round level talent.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
How about this Washington draft to Jayden Daniels. Second, they
already had Marcus Mariota as their backup. Yeah, they have
Jeff Driscoll and then they grabbed my guy, Sam Hartman
from Notre Dame after the draft. So it's like they've
got four guys, And I think that's probably the smart strategy.
Get as many as you can in there. Quarterbacks, you
can flip them like a house.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
A lot of these teams see backup quarterbacks, you know,
a fifth round guy to hang around. I see it
as Zach Wilson. Everybody should have a Zach Wilson. He's
a great talent for a backup. That's what the league
should be. And I think in ten twenty years people
look back and go, why don't we have all these
ham and Eggers, These six round guys as backups when
we knew that eventually play. I mean even big Justin
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Herbert got hurt, Lamar's been hurt, Girl's been hurt, Stafford
gets hurt, Rogers gets hurt. Mahomes about the only guy
not getting hurt. And so I see it and turn
your hat around J mack with news.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
hurt news.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
So this is interesting. Jmck and I have kind of
been on different sides, but I'm not sure we are.
So if you with the Green Bay Packers today you
had to make a decision or the next week, would
you make Jordan love of like the next highest paid
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player in the league give him an extension. Usually the
next guy that gets the contract in the NFL at
quarterback becomes the highest paid guy for six months or whatever.
If you had to make a decision in a week,
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Speaker 1 (32:07):
I don't know why the media can't figure this out.
It seems pretty simple. Highest paid quarterback in the NFL
doesn't win Super Bowls. Mahomes has been the exception, and
he's the greatest quarterback in the league, and summer making
the argument he's the best player ever at the most
important position. But generally, you don't want your quarterback to
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be the highest paid player. Get the bag is stupid.
It's not dumb for the player, it's doumb for everybody else.
You don't want your teams to be inflexible. You want
to be able to buy their players. The media people
who fall for that just don't know what they're talking about.
You don't want your quarterback to be the highest paid.
So here's a story this morning that Jordan Love of
the Packers has a case to become the NFL's highest
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paid player. Okay, so let's think about this. I like
him a lot. He had a nine game stretch. Eight
of those nine games he was elite. That's it. From
November nineteenth to January fourteenth, two months he was elite,
nine games, eight times elite. Now I'm not making a
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comparison here, but Tim Tebow had a six game winning
streak and the world lost its mind. I didn't. I
never bought it for a second. Blake Bortles in his
second year in the NFL through for thirty five touchdown passes,
second in the league, and people were fooled by it.
My take is, whoever quarterbacks green Bay when they're young, Farv,
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Aaron or Jordan is going to succeed at some level
because Green Bay they do quarterbacks right, especially young quarterbacks.
They always have good old lines, enough weapons, offensive minded coaches,
not a lot of big market pressure. Green Bay does
young quarterbacks better than anybody. Is Jordan Love good enough
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to overcome a defensive coach who's over his skis and
a bad old line. I don't think so, but then again,
not many are. But here's the thing. You don't have
to worry about that because Green Bay's never in chaos,
never has a terrible offensive line, never has a defensive coach,
and always has good enough weapons. Now I think they
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have excellent weapons. Do I think Jordan Love feels like
highest paid quarterback in the league talent I do not.
I don't think he's as talented as Mahomes or Josh
Allen or Lamar or Matt Stafford or a healthy Justin
Herbert just to start, or Joe Burrow when he's healthy.
But I do think he's talented. But I mean, you
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gotta be careful on this. Blake Bortles, people bought into it,
Baker Mayfield with Kevin Stefanski makes the playoffs, everybody's all
in the next year, they're bailing on him. So there
are hot streaks. Rich Gannon was a good quarterback who
had an unbelievable year. Matt Ryan was a good quarterback
who had an MVP year. So you do have these
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outlier years. I think Jordan Love, I think this is reasonable.
The opinion I have is reasonable. I think he's the
guy I'd love to see another six stars? Can you
get me to mid October? And if I get five
or six and I go, yeah, that's it, then I'm good.
Right now, I'd be a little, not a lot. I'd
be a little reluctant today if given the choice to
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give him that kind of money. I'm not asking much
for a full season. Give me six seven more starts.
I've got like seventeen eighteen weeks of good, really good.
Then I'm in. But you can go to Blake Bortles.
I mean, you think it sounds funny the world lost there?
And you know what with Tim Tebow as like, are
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you guys watching the game? Saturday Night Live was doing
skits on it. But sports fans and executives a lot
of fear based stuff, pressure pandemonium. I think I think
jaymck and I have says that I'm higher on Jordan
Love than Jay mack is. But even I think I
wouldn't want to pay him now. Got to give me
an our six seven starts. He's had one nine game stretch. Remember,
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at the start of last year, one of the nicest
coaches in the league. Matt Lafleur was visibly angry and
calling him out at the podium. Now he would apologize
two days later, but he was clearly frustrated by what
he couldn't do in games up until like mid October
last year. So he's yet to have a great season.
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He's had a great stretch. Would you pay him today?
Highest paid quarterback in.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
The Nay, that's a question for you. He needs to
get paid. You can't say, well, let's say six or
seven more starts. No, it doesn't work like that. Jordan
Love earned his keep, got you within striking distance in
the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
I don't have to pay him today, Ryan Large, you
should always wait.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
Oh yeah, that's what quarterbacks want. And then he gets
a big knee injury then because you guys shafted him.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Well, yep, that would protect the franchise.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
Yeah, but what about me? I'm your franchise quarterback? What
do you do without me?
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Stay healthy?
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (37:04):
What do you mean? What am I gonna do without you?
We moved off, We moved off. Aaron Rodgers seem to
be fine.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
Okay, move off. You guys had it all figured out
in dream day.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
No, but I'm saying if he Your argument is, well,
what if he breaks his knee? Well, then the Green
Bay Packers were right. You should always wait. You should
mostly always wait unless you identify very early.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
Mahomes just so disrespectful to the player. They team NFY
not for long, that's right. These guys get hurt all
I am okay.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
In our business, it's different. I'm not going to get
leeringitis tomorrow and not be able to talk. But you
could have a career any injury. You're saying it's disrespectful
to the player. That is what I hear from young
media all the time. You've got to take care of
the player. You got to take care of the team,
the roster, the future, the fans. It's not just about
getting guys rich.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
But there's none of that without the franchise quarterback.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
That's right. But the worst thing is paying a guy
like he is and now he can't play or he's hurt.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
So you want your cake and you want to eat
it too.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
No, no, no, that's not true. Like Mahomes got paid early
because I identified him by his second year as an
all timer.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
Well that was different because he was in the second
You know, he's got his rookie contract, sat out one
year and then was a superstar.
Speaker 5 (38:17):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
So with Jordan Love, if Green Bay is a bit
more reticent to go give us another eight starts, I
think that's reasonable.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
So then it'll be reasonable if Jordan Love says, well,
if you need another eight starts for me, I'm going
to hold out. That's reasonable too.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Could he do that?
Speaker 3 (38:31):
I'm not going to show for ote.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
That's a very NBA feel. That's not really what the NFL.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
Team quarterbacks do. We'll see what's going on to in Miami.
I was talking to some people this leak.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
We'll see.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
We'll see what's happening with two in Miami.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
And you think two has got a market.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
You think he's happy that he's not gotten.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
Paid again, Who cares?
Speaker 3 (38:47):
I don't know why I end up Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
I don't even Cousin's unhappy. Oh sad you made four
hundred million playing. Sad you're coming off.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
Achille Pool hasn't made anywhere near that. Jordan Love hasn't
sniffed that.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
Tua struggles. I mean there's a history college and pro
of him staying healthy. Can't throw a deep ball, has
to play in really mild weather. You're gonna tell me
what I have to do.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
I agree with that, But from tuist perspective, step into
Twois shoes for a sec. Colin, how would you feel?
Speaker 5 (39:16):
Well?
Speaker 1 (39:17):
I'm not saying you shouldn't have your feelings hurt, but
you should always wait unless you identify a quarterback like
Lamar Jackson came into the league and we all went
the hell Herbert literally first game against Mahomes, You're like, yeah,
that works, Josh Allen Mahomes. Yeah, those guys you identify early.
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Jordan Love couldn't get on the field for four years.
That's a different and it was bad, bad his first
six stars. That's a whole different ballgame than Mahomes.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
So you said, you wait, I like this. When you snooze,
you lose.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Now you know what happens. When you snooze, you wake
up rested and healthy. I'm for snoozing all the time, refreshed. Okay,
I think we actually agree on Jordan. You just decided
this morning to argue with the take of poor guy
who wants to get the bag.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
Show me the money. That's what Jordan loves saying. Right now,
That's what's what I was saying, right, that's what you're saying.
Just looking at it from the Star's perspective. Looking Trevor Lawrence,
by the.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
Way, I'm just looking at Look Trevor Lawrence is number
one pick, college All American. It's a different quarterback.
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Oh, here we go in a Thursday. Lots to discuss,
as always in LA, it's the hurt wherever you may be,
however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part
of your day. Well, well, well, the Knicks were so
vulnerable last night. They got players missing, bigs out, Brunson,
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globbiy and I felt more than the first game in
the series. I felt clearly the Knicks were better never
never in the second half, thought Indiana could win Game one.
It went back and forth, and I kind of liked Indiana,
but it feels like almost now. Was that Indiana's best punch?
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Remember I said PACER's money line tell great about it
for much of the game, and goodness, Grace is can
the Pacers get a stop?
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Ever?
Speaker 3 (01:12):
I mean this Nicks team, what a game?
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Yeah? So the playoffs unveil the Posers and the frauds,
the fakers, that's the Pacers. I mean, what more could
Indiana have in their favor. Julius Randall, second leading scorer,
has been out the entire playoffs, and then it's announced
Mitchell Robinson out for the rest of the playoffs. Jalen
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Brunson played early, then disappeared because he was hobbled, came
back in the second half. Oh g's not at one
hundred percent. Everything lined up for the Pacers, and we
know the NBA officials have been doing this for the
entire playoffs. They're letting players be physical. It's better basketball.
And the Pacers are a tempo team, a finesse team,
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a get up and down the floor team, and they
can't adjust on the fly. So it's like asking a
finesse football team to go into Baltimore and face the Ravens.
That's why the Ravens had like six blowouts this year
at home. The Knicks are shooting fifty five percent from
the floor in the playoffs because Indiana won't put a
body on them. But it's more than that New York's DNA.
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They're a physical bunch of guys and they're now being
allowed to be even more physical. The Pacers are a
finesse team, and they're trying to fake it because now
the league is set as a whole, we're gonna let
everybody play. So you notice the teams that are flourishing
in the playoffs, they're the physical teams that the NBA
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is allowing to be even more physical. It plays right
into their style. The Celtics, the Knicks, the t Wolves,
Okac but Rick Carlisle, No, no, no, no, he's blaming
market size.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
We deserve a fair shot, you know, And and it's just, uh,
it's just not It's just there's not there's not a
consistent balance their their physicality is rewarded and ours is penalized.
Just you know, time after time, small market teams deserve
an equal shot. They deserve they deserve a fair shot,
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no matter where, no matter where they're playing.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
That sounds like a fan Oklahoma City flourishing, Minnesota flourishing, Spurs,
Dynasty Bucks with a title. Major markets like New York.
Previous to this year, for twenty years, Atlanta, DC, Chicago,
Detroit had been in the toilet forever. Both LA teams
are out, the Bay Area teams out. Give me a break. Philadelphia,
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big market can't get past the second round. This is
the first time New York's been relevant forever. Go look
at the last four minutes of the game. Go look
at the rebounds. Nicks have nine, Pacers have three. So
the Indiana issue is that their construction is built for
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speed and tempo, and New York's construction before the season
started was built for toughness. And even when the Knicks
lose a tough guy Randall or a tough guy Mitchell
Robinson and Bruns in another tough guy has hobbled their
their their DNA is still built for these playoffs, as
is OKC and Minnesota and Boston. I mean this last night,
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it was served up for you. Bruns an n og
Are hobbling around. Isn't about market size. You're getting bullied,
especially in the fourth quarter, where the Knicks have been
a good clutch time team this year. But watch these
fourth quarters. This is like a guy that's a finesse
boxer trying to be a bully, and it's like a
bully hobbled but still allowed to be a bully. In
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the Indy opposer, this is not what they are. The
league tweaked the rules and they can't adjust because it's
not the construction of the lineup. Here's TIBs after.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
We know we're not going to be able to shoot
the ball like that every night. So when we're not,
we got to be able to win with our defense
and are rebounding our hustle and we're shorthanded to start
with him. Maybe that this might be a byproduct of
being shorthanded all year.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Like, we know that this is our way.
Speaker 5 (05:25):
Our way is to play really hard all the time
and to play together, and if we do that, we'll
have a chance.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
This series is all about fight, determination, focus, and hustle
and toughness. Check check check check check check check nixt
winning all of those. Okay, So Jokic Nikola Yokich won
his third MVP in four years. And I don't think
NBA players and former NBA players are rooting for this
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shack last night on TV. This is not who he
wanted to win.
Speaker 6 (06:00):
You know, I love you, the best player in the league.
I want to congratulate you, but I want you to
hear from me first. I thought the SGA should have
been the MVP. Has no disrespect to you, but congratulations.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Thank you, Shame we don't trust people here, you know.
So that's fine. I'm joking.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Here's the thing. Jokic is the best player in the world,
not having a great series, best player in the world.
But aesthetically, uh, it's not a very pretty game. And
aesthetics have always mattered in the NBA, starting with Doctor
j On. They can sometimes fool us, but in this
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sport they matter. I mean, as a kid, you know,
I grew up as a kid. Most kids are not
sitting around mimicking and copying Jokic's game near the basket.
They're doing that with ant or mj or Kobe, and
that matters in the NBA. So two things we know
are true. Europeans are taking over the league. Most don't
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want to be faces of the league, and and Tatum
as domestic players, may be the only roadblock to that
in the next decade. Ant is what a face of
the league sort of plays like vertical trash talk in
your face, let me guard the best guy. A lot
of his points are absolutely it's like old school NBA
eighties nineties. A lot of his points are spectacular and
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physical and dunking on you. And that is the history
of the NBA. But Even in the NFL, aesthetics play
a huge role. I'll give you an example. The entire
time Brady was dominating the league, death by a thousand
cups precision detail. All I heard, it's Belichick game manager.
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Anybody could do this. Aaron Rodgers won a single Super Bowl.
Brady had a collection. But the minute Aaron Rodgers, who's
got more style and flash, won a single super Bowl,
you started hearing goat talk what he got one? The
minute Mahomes won his second super Bowl, also a player
(08:08):
with lots of style, goat talk. I don't know Tom's
got like seven. And it wasn't until Tom Brady. Remember this,
he wins the Atlanta super Bowl, Right, he gets the
Atlanta super Bowl, the super Bowl down there is fifth.
Then he surpasses Montana and then and only then with
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his fifth we said, all right, okay, he's the goat.
Aaron Rodgers got that chatter, like substantial chatter after one,
Mahomes after two. So even in the NFL, style matters,
And I mean Michael Vick got on the cover of
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Madden didn't have a long history of sustained playoff success.
So Jokic doesn't have that style. Style matters, and in
the NBA, of all the leagues, it probably matters more
than any other league. And I do think current players
and former players don't love Jokic kind of taking over
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the league and the awards. I mean, he is the
most valuable player in the league. Now we've seen Aunt explode.
I think next year Wemby will be on a very
very short list of players to do that. For a
couple of years it was Jannis. Now he gets banged
up more often. But I think what Shaq said wasn't
just numbers, it was sort of what the league is
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rooting for. Because if you go back and look at
when this league has been its most popular and discussed,
you know, it's like Michael j Magic Bird. And as
the league's gotten more international, it's not necessarily helped the
domestic ratings. Now, the league's always going to make money.
But I do think Jokic winning this. I mean the
MBD MVP last year felt like an anti Jokic vote
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as much as it did a pro Joe LMBIID vote.
I mean, m Beat's not nearly as valuable as Yolkic
as a player. He doesn't have that kind of distribution talent,
he's you know, Jokic plays more often, he's more readily available,
he elevates other players due to his brilliant passing, his
ability to hit three point shots. Yokic is more valuable
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than m Beat. Everybody knew it, and they still gave
it to m Beat. It was a better story and
it felt more true to what NBA players and former
players want the league to be, not what the league
now is very European and Jokic being the best player
j Mac last night is one of those you know,
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and so they osay styles make fights, and I'm watching
that game and I'm thinking, as Jalen Brunson leaves the
floor in the first half, and I'm thinking, no Randall,
no Robinson, no Brunson. OG's not one hundred percent. And
I'm like, if you can't. Then the third quarter starts
and it's all Nicks and You're like, okay, you're you're
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trying to pretend you want to get physical, but it's
just not Indiana. It's just not who you are, has
nothing to do with markets.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Well, there's one guy in Indiana who was physical, TJ McConnell,
and then Rick Carlisle took him off the court for
the final seven minutes and the pacer stopped being physical
with Brunson. I mean Collinson. You know, I love the NBA.
I love NFL. I gotta say I was thrilled last
night that the game ended early so I could get
to bed at a reasonable hour. Yeah, because these double
headers every night in the NBA, they're taxing NFL. We
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talk about it. It's like Thursday night football, Sunday night football,
Monday night. You get to rest. The other nights of
the week. NBA there's double headers. You go to bed
a like ten eleven o'clock.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
At I know, I tried being out east.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Yeah, thank goodness, I moved out here.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Tried being out east. All right, good stuff. Today, Julian
Edelman will stop by our show that he was at
that roast, among other things.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
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Speaker 1 (12:00):
We're now entering the No Bull Zone, sponsored by Credible
Great Rates None of the bull. So I do appreciate
Lebron James and JJ Reddick responding to me. Some would
say lashing out, but I would just say, responding because
I talked about a very very serious issue in America
that I see now exploding. I do not like it
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at all. It is important people wearing their hat backwards.
We got into this very serious topic yesterday on the show.
Don't love the backward hat for JJ Reddicks.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
It's going to open with that. Reddick's got an interesting look,
collared shirt, backwards hat.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Didn't add it up. Arm I didn't hear a word,
Lebron said. I couldn't stop staring at the hat. JJ
Reddick's going for NBA head coaching jobs. He looks like
a guy who's going to move my couch. Didn't like it.
I would tell JJ to his face. I'm like, dude,
you're going to be an executive in this league. You're
going to be a high level executive or coach, bro whatever.
You guys can go ahead and push back on that stuff.
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I didn't like it. My opinion, my show, our show,
and I can't do I can't just I don't like
that look at all. You are going to be an
NBA co He's one of the most cerebral guys in
the world talking basketball. Literally, he's so layered beyond he's
like a great He's Christopher Nolan in Hollywood. He is
directing at a different level. JJ Reddick is talking back
to ball at a different level. And look at this guy.
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I mean, listen, folks, we can't just keep lowering our
standards or pretty soon hat on backwards becomes flip flops
and board shorts to work. If I have to be
the mean guy that starts the national dialogue on I
don't know standards, so be it. We can't trust our politicians.
Have you seen the three people running for president? Yikes?
(13:40):
I won't be part of that. As America's honesty broker,
sometimes I talk about stuff you don't want to hear
but need to hear. And I'm sad to say I'm
getting a lot of pushback on this as Lebron and
JJ Riddick lashed out at me. Okay, I'll take it.
That's fine, go ahead. Standards are standards. If not me,
then who raises this serious issue. Somebody's got to I've
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started a national dialogue. We'll go back and forth on this.
God bless me and God bless America. Nick Wright understood
the seriousness of it.
Speaker 7 (14:17):
Even if people vehemently disagree with you on the specifics
of backwards hat for forwards hat. I don't really give
it that JJ Reddick was wearing a backwards hat at all.
I would not hire JJ Reddick right now to be
the head coach of the Los Angeles Lakers that he
responded to the.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Clip now, I do not feel that way. Steve Kerr,
one of the smartest people I've ever covered and one
of the smartest people in league history, went from a
very very funny, sardonic, witty broadcaster an hour later he
was a general manager. But JJ Reddick's got a great future.
I am to turn your life around, you have to
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first turn your hat around. And that's all I'm gonna
say about that. Jamak with the news.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
This is the herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
I'm glad you you pushed back a little, but I
think you're coming around.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
I'm gonna stay out of this one. I don't I
don't need to catch any shrapnel. I'm just over I'm
just over here catching straight.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Well, you're blasting JJ Reddick and Lebron blasting's not quite it.
I think I'm trying to side a little bit.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Yesterday in front of you on purpose. I think you chuckled,
but it doesn't matter. You're gonna be wearing a tech
top sooner and everybody will enjoy that one. The Jets
on the AFC East, All right, Uh, let's go to
the NBA.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
The MAVs.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
They dropped game one in Okay. See Luca and Kyrie
kind of struggled, especially Luca came to us tonight. Yes,
I'm on the MAVs again. We will see if they're
able to slow m VP runner up SGA, who got
seemingly every call in the world, shot a billions throws,
finished with twenty nine points.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Small market guy got the calls. What's happening at home?
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Come on, Homer calls Luca six of nineteen nineteen points
on nineteen shots. He's got the bum kneed has no
lifting in the three.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
If you noticed when you watch OKAC, they look a
little like the Knicks on the floor, hustling defense. Yeah
they do. They play like the Knicks. They're a tough
team being allowed to play even tougher, a physical team
being allowed to play even more physical like the Knicks.
And what a shock they're both crushing it.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Well, this at home. That usually happens that we didn't
see Denver have that urgency in that hustle getting the
offensive boards. We saw from Okce, we saw from the Knicks.
I think a different Dallas comes out tonight. I will
say this. You know, our great producer found this quote
an anonymous veteran assistant coach. You could almost sense a
sigh of relief from Lucas teammates when he checks out
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of the game. It's a sense of Hey, now we
get to play. It's difficult to have rhythm if you're
not touching the ball.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Can I can? I say?
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Oh, come on, don't.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
This has been my assertion that some stars are easier
to play with than others. Jason Tatum is very easy
to play with. Kobe was not always easy to play with.
He needed Shack and Gasol to take the ball away
at times. If he didn't respect you, Kobe would just
shoot his way out of a slump. Gasol and Shack
he respected their games, or a Derek Fisher. Okay, so
(17:25):
I'm not I'm not hitting it. I'll move off. Lebron's
always been willing to move off if he's cool. If
his game cools down, he in his prime years would
move off. Luca is not easy to play with. Brunson's
become a superstar in this league. Leaving him.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
It was very good with him, Yeah, he was conference
very good.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
He not good anymore.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Conference finals with Luca. But this is such non I
almost said a bad word. Sorry, such nonsense, because Colin,
where was this when they were on a seventeen to
two run.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Well, the regular season's great game. We have to be
honest about this regular season, especially late regular season winning
streaks in the NBA are fraudulent. Have a third of
the league is like tanking, like they want to get
better draft positions. The best teams are often load management,
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resting their sort of semi hobbled stars. So I've been
on this for years that you've got to be varied.
Sometimes a late season winning streak can matter. The Sun's
played great late in the season. Last ten games they
got swept, Dallas played great, look at it. The other
thing what is true is playoff basketball has always rewarded
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physical teams and healthy teams. You know, Jannis Dame banged up,
and Bead banged up, Luca banged up. It's hard enough
to win these games when your centrifical force is banged up.
Now you could say Brunson's banged up, but yet in
the second half last night he put the cape on
did it again. So the Knicks are hard to figure out.
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Some of it's just the East isn't very good. But
this is my assertion, with Luca, not all stars. It's
a big difference playing with Tatum than Mellow, or different
perhaps playing with Brunson than with the Kobe. Like, not
all stars are perfect, and not all of them are
easy to play with.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
So it sounds like you like okay See tonight they're
favored by five.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
I think okay See is the better team, the deeper team,
and the healthier team. Interesting.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
I'll just say, I'm just glad you're not a Luca
Bowl centric kind of guy here on this show. Well,
you share the ball. Well, I've worked with guys who
don't share. Well, I'm sure you have as well.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
It's not fun, right, It's just more fun when we
can laugh together. Not just yeah, I mean it's always
more fun when more people can have fun at the party.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Right, Let's move on to the Nuggets. Oh boy, they
are in deep, deep trouble. Deep down two now head
to Minnesota. They get an extra day off to think
about the losses. After dropping the first two game at home,
your friend Draymond Green believes it might be too late
for Denver to claw back for down.
Speaker 8 (20:06):
Bad right now. No, not because they down to oh
or oh to two in their case, but because you
can tell they confidence was snatched. Their belief was snatched.
There's a lot of doubt now sure when they leave Denver, well,
whether they get on that plane to Minnesota tomorrow or
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the following day on Wednesday, they get on that plane,
doubt and uncertain if they can compete with the Minnesota
timber Woods.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
He feels like he's being generous, king this is over well.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
I think his point on the Volume podcast network, I
think his point is good. It's not that they've lost,
it's how they've lost. And I think Draymond's right. They
look like a team that's rattled and like almost not
interested in getting into this sort of street fight like Minnesota.
This is pitball and a beach ball. Like it looked uncomfortable.
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Denver was uncomfortable in that game, like I think Indiana
looks uncomfortable in the fourth quarter against the Nick's aggressiveness.
Philadelphia didn't look uncomfortable. They just didn't play well, Philadelphia
was willing to get into that street fight. Indiana is
just not built for it. I don't know if Denver's
built for the relentless defense and depth and size of
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Minnesota and what you're seeing now in the NBA. And
this is why NBA playoff basketball. It's the only sport
that looks totally different than the regular season. I mean,
if you watch a Dodger game now in the postseason,
you will screw around with your pitching rotation to get
the best pitchers in the playoffs, but by and large,
your lineups your lineup. It's an individual sport. Guys don't
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go up with days off. They want to get hits,
and pitchers want to get outs. In the NFL, and
in hockey, you can't just casual it. You got to
have your head in the swibb. You can get hurt.
But in basketball, the season is so long that the
regular season there's an apathy barrement your rotations, You rest guys,
and when the playoffs get here, some teams just cannot
flip that switch. So Denver player or Minnesota was a
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physical team all year. The Knicks were physical, and now
the league saying, yeah, we're gonna reward you be more physical.
And some of these teams, like Denver and it's all
look like they want to fight, you know.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
And again it's not to knock the Denver players, but
you're right, they don't look like they've got the dog
in there like Jaden McDaniel's Anthony Edwards. These guys are,
they're getting after it. Even Walker, the kid from Virginia Tech,
who gets in like he's picking up full court, you know,
slapping the floor, clapping and he's ready to go. I
think this is gonna be Denver get swept. And then
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we got a lot of questions like maybe the Phoenix
Suns aren't that bad. They were more competitive than Denver, right, right?
What does Denver do? Can they retool?
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Yeah? No, I mean it seems this I think we
both said this the other day. Well I did it
because I live with it. Is that in the seventies
NBA you had a lot of really good teams that
had two good years. The Sixers, the Sonics, the Blazers,
the Warriors. They didn't become dynasties. They were all really
good teams. I could take them. I could name the
starters for all of them. Is this the seventies NBA.
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Usually you have a dynasty somewhere in the decade. It's
a Laker dynasty, it's a Bull dynasty, it's ce Celtic dynasty,
it's the Spurs back to the Lakers, it's the Warriors.
We've had a lot of dynasties, the Heatles kind of
this is like a non the last five winners. This
year we may have our six different champ in six years.
So we've had a Bucks, a Laker, a Warrior, a Raptor.
I think we're headed to a t Wolve, Thunder or
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Celtic championship. So they all did a six different team
in six years.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Probably with the seventies, is there there weren't even three
point the three point line didn't even exist. There was
like twenty four teams. If you look at the last
like I don't know, going back to the Magic's Lakers
and Jordan's Bulls, Like, there's all been dynasties that's always seen.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
The seventies five years the set. What I'm saying is
the seventies is the only decade that I watched the
NBA without it. Eighties, nineties, two thousands, it's all been
dynasties for a majority of the decade. I think we're
moving back into we don't have a dynasty now. I
didn't think Denver looked a little like the Spurs.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
They felt dynastics, But apparently they're not just Minnesota. I
don't know, don't think they do. And listen, I know
people will say the writing and say this just stop.
Like you know, YouTube is where a lot of the
kids live these days. YouTube. There's like double the followers
subscribers on YouTube for the NBA to the NFL. NBA
is a young person sport. Yes, I'm just curious how
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the young people are going to adjust to this, because like.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Oh, they'll be fine. Young people are much better at
adjusting than old people. Old people don't adjust. What point,
Young people adjust all the time? Smart point.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Final story is Joe Burrow, another guy you like. He's
in attendance at Bengals OTAs back to throwing footballs. You
remember he had the season ending risk surgery in November.
Here he is talking to media about his recovery and
the challenges he's faced.
Speaker 9 (24:56):
This was a difficult injury. It's been a tough, tough
several months, but physically it's not the worst injury that
I've had. You know, I've been through much much tougher
things physically, and so that's been a positive. I've been
able to really lift and continue my off season program
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kind of the way that it always has been.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
They need to have serious conversations about next draft drafting
quarterback second third round.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
I almost saw Joe Burrow a backwards hat toan I
don't want to know.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
It's practice. I'm not kidding.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
It's a podt it just to be sure podcast. And
I looked. I looked it up. By the way, Burrow's
missed fifteen games in the last four years, so the
glass Joe Moniker.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
To shoot fits. Listen, Brady got upset because he still
had a he he had stuff in the tank, and
he was right when they went and got Garoppolo. But
New England a was drafted quarterbacks mostly like fourth, fifth,
sixth round until Garoppolo. But I do think next year,
if the day went and drafted a quarterback, if Joe
got hurt again, even for a month he played fourteen
of the eighteen, I think you have to second third round.
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You have to address and Joe has to understand we're
having to play backups all the time. Now we need
a good backup.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Well the kid was it Browning? I thought he was
maybe you just should draft a quarterback every single year.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Well, you and I have talked about that. Is that.
It's some things. I believe two things in football. In
the next decade, people will figure it out. I think
there's a science to the draft, and I think there's
really three positions you should draft high nine out of
ten years, offensive tackles, great defensive lineman, and quarterbacks. I
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think you can get speed everywhere third round.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
On well, edge rusher or defensive tackle, because that's just
a big difference in quarterback, left tackle or great defensive
presence up.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
It could be interior Chris Jones. That should be your
first round pick and a majority of your second round picks.
I think the science is coming out more and more
and more and more. ESPN had a researcher this year
that came out with it and acknowledged that the positions
you should draft early are quarterback, tackle, guard, center. You're
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bigs and as you got down to receivers and backs,
you had way more misses early because you can get
speed anywhere. God gives a lot of people speed doesn't
give a lot of people size and good feet. And
the second thing I think that we'll look back on
in twenty years or ten years is sixty quarterbacks play
every year. Why don't you carry two starters. That's why
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I totally defend Atlanta. Atlanta is on the forefront of
this trend to have two. At worst, you should have
a Gardner Minshew as a backup. At worst the quarterback.
You just have to have a conversation with quarterbacks. We're
going to have a B plus quarterback. We're looking for
an A, but we're going to have a B plus
guy Miami with two. I has to have a legit.
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And if the quarterback can't handle it, nobody wants to
hear your pity party. You're paid twenty five thirty five
forty five million a year, but I think you're gonna
look back and go, we're playing sixty quarterbacks a year.
Why why does everybody have like a a discount backup quarterback.
It's a real position.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Yeah, Like Broncos fans were upset. Remember they had Stidham
and then they got Zach Wilson like right before the draft,
and then they draft bon Nicks in the first round.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
That's what you should have.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
That's the smart movie.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
You should have a starter that didn't work as a
franchise guy. Zach Wilson didn't work as a franchise guy.
But a first round quarterback talent as your backup, that's
a legitimate back.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
I mean, Stidham has shown well in.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Stidham's not good enough to be a back. You should
be able to lose. Teddy Bridgewater to me, is like
that was the classic great backup. Breeze goes out like
he goes five.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
And oh, I think he was a first round play.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
That's my point. So when you're a first round quarterback
and you don't make it and like seventy percent don't
make it, that's who I want as a backup. Teddy
Bridgewater can go five, and oh, Zach Wilson could go too,
and oh in Denver with Sean Payton as a coach.
And the league just does not take backup quarterbacks seriously
at all. In sixty five guys play a year.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Did you say the hit rate in the first round
was like fifty percent for quarterbacks? Yeah, and so what
is it like the third, fourth, fifth round.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
By the way, Kenny Pickett is a guy who should
be a backup. But Kenny Pickett has started for a
profoundly important franchise. Kenny Pickett may not want to hear that,
but Kenny Pickett or a Mitched Trubisky, that's a reasonable backup.
That's what I'd want my roster. A guy who started
big games, played in big TV games, was viewed as
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a first second round level talent.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
How about this Washington draft to Jayden Daniels. Second, they
already had Marcus Mariota as their backup. Yeah, they have
Jeff Driscoll and then they grabbed my guy, Sam Hartman
from Notre Dame after the draft. So it's like they've
got four guys, And I think that's probably the smart strategy.
Get as many as you can in there. Quarterbacks, you
can flip them like a house.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
A lot of these teams see backup quarterbacks, you know,
a fifth round guy to hang around. I see it
as Zach Wilson. Everybody should have a Zach Wilson. He's
a great talent for a backup. That's what the league
should be. And I think in ten twenty years people
look back and go, why don't we have all these
ham and Eggers, These six round guys as backups when
we knew that eventually play. I mean even big Justin
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Herbert got hurt, Lamar's been hurt, Girl's been hurt, Stafford
gets hurt, Rogers gets hurt. Mahomes about the only guy
not getting hurt. And so I see it and turn
your hat around J mack with news.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
hurt news.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
So this is interesting. Jmck and I have kind of
been on different sides, but I'm not sure we are.
So if you with the Green Bay Packers today you
had to make a decision or the next week, would
you make Jordan love of like the next highest paid
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player in the league give him an extension. Usually the
next guy that gets the contract in the NFL at
quarterback becomes the highest paid guy for six months or whatever.
If you had to make a decision in a week,
would you do it or would you have pause? I'll
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Speaker 1 (32:07):
I don't know why the media can't figure this out.
It seems pretty simple. Highest paid quarterback in the NFL
doesn't win Super Bowls. Mahomes has been the exception, and
he's the greatest quarterback in the league, and summer making
the argument he's the best player ever at the most
important position. But generally, you don't want your quarterback to
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be the highest paid player. Get the bag is stupid.
It's not dumb for the player, it's doumb for everybody else.
You don't want your teams to be inflexible. You want
to be able to buy their players. The media people
who fall for that just don't know what they're talking about.
You don't want your quarterback to be the highest paid.
So here's a story this morning that Jordan Love of
the Packers has a case to become the NFL's highest
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paid player. Okay, so let's think about this. I like
him a lot. He had a nine game stretch. Eight
of those nine games he was elite. That's it. From
November nineteenth to January fourteenth, two months he was elite,
nine games, eight times elite. Now I'm not making a
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comparison here, but Tim Tebow had a six game winning
streak and the world lost its mind. I didn't. I
never bought it for a second. Blake Bortles in his
second year in the NFL through for thirty five touchdown passes,
second in the league, and people were fooled by it.
My take is, whoever quarterbacks green Bay when they're young, Farv,
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Aaron or Jordan is going to succeed at some level
because Green Bay they do quarterbacks right, especially young quarterbacks.
They always have good old lines, enough weapons, offensive minded coaches,
not a lot of big market pressure. Green Bay does
young quarterbacks better than anybody. Is Jordan Love good enough
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to overcome a defensive coach who's over his skis and
a bad old line. I don't think so, but then again,
not many are. But here's the thing. You don't have
to worry about that because Green Bay's never in chaos,
never has a terrible offensive line, never has a defensive coach,
and always has good enough weapons. Now I think they
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have excellent weapons. Do I think Jordan Love feels like
highest paid quarterback in the league talent I do not.
I don't think he's as talented as Mahomes or Josh
Allen or Lamar or Matt Stafford or a healthy Justin
Herbert just to start, or Joe Burrow when he's healthy.
But I do think he's talented. But I mean, you
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gotta be careful on this. Blake Bortles, people bought into it,
Baker Mayfield with Kevin Stefanski makes the playoffs, everybody's all
in the next year, they're bailing on him. So there
are hot streaks. Rich Gannon was a good quarterback who
had an unbelievable year. Matt Ryan was a good quarterback
who had an MVP year. So you do have these
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outlier years. I think Jordan Love, I think this is reasonable.
The opinion I have is reasonable. I think he's the
guy I'd love to see another six stars? Can you
get me to mid October? And if I get five
or six and I go, yeah, that's it, then I'm good.
Right now, I'd be a little, not a lot. I'd
be a little reluctant today if given the choice to
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give him that kind of money. I'm not asking much
for a full season. Give me six seven more starts.
I've got like seventeen eighteen weeks of good, really good.
Then I'm in. But you can go to Blake Bortles.
I mean, you think it sounds funny the world lost there?
And you know what with Tim Tebow as like, are
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you guys watching the game? Saturday Night Live was doing
skits on it. But sports fans and executives a lot
of fear based stuff, pressure pandemonium. I think I think
jaymck and I have says that I'm higher on Jordan
Love than Jay mack is. But even I think I
wouldn't want to pay him now. Got to give me
an our six seven starts. He's had one nine game stretch. Remember,
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at the start of last year, one of the nicest
coaches in the league. Matt Lafleur was visibly angry and
calling him out at the podium. Now he would apologize
two days later, but he was clearly frustrated by what
he couldn't do in games up until like mid October
last year. So he's yet to have a great season.
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He's had a great stretch. Would you pay him today?
Highest paid quarterback in.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
The Nay, that's a question for you. He needs to
get paid. You can't say, well, let's say six or
seven more starts. No, it doesn't work like that. Jordan
Love earned his keep, got you within striking distance in
the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
I don't have to pay him today, Ryan Large, you
should always wait.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
Oh yeah, that's what quarterbacks want. And then he gets
a big knee injury then because you guys shafted him.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Well, yep, that would protect the franchise.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
Yeah, but what about me? I'm your franchise quarterback? What
do you do without me?
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Stay healthy?
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (37:04):
What do you mean? What am I gonna do without you?
We moved off, We moved off. Aaron Rodgers seem to
be fine.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
Okay, move off. You guys had it all figured out
in dream day.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
No, but I'm saying if he Your argument is, well,
what if he breaks his knee? Well, then the Green
Bay Packers were right. You should always wait. You should
mostly always wait unless you identify very early.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
Mahomes just so disrespectful to the player. They team NFY
not for long, that's right. These guys get hurt all
I am okay.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
In our business, it's different. I'm not going to get
leeringitis tomorrow and not be able to talk. But you
could have a career any injury. You're saying it's disrespectful
to the player. That is what I hear from young
media all the time. You've got to take care of
the player. You got to take care of the team,
the roster, the future, the fans. It's not just about
getting guys rich.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
But there's none of that without the franchise quarterback.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
That's right. But the worst thing is paying a guy
like he is and now he can't play or he's hurt.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
So you want your cake and you want to eat
it too.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
No, no, no, that's not true. Like Mahomes got paid early
because I identified him by his second year as an
all timer.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
Well that was different because he was in the second
You know, he's got his rookie contract, sat out one
year and then was a superstar.
Speaker 5 (38:17):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
So with Jordan Love, if Green Bay is a bit
more reticent to go give us another eight starts, I
think that's reasonable.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
So then it'll be reasonable if Jordan Love says, well,
if you need another eight starts for me, I'm going
to hold out. That's reasonable too.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Could he do that?
Speaker 3 (38:31):
I'm not going to show for ote.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
That's a very NBA feel. That's not really what the NFL.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
Team quarterbacks do. We'll see what's going on to in Miami.
I was talking to some people this leak.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
We'll see.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
We'll see what's happening with two in Miami.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
And you think two has got a market.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
You think he's happy that he's not gotten.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
Paid again, Who cares?
Speaker 3 (38:47):
I don't know why I end up Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
I don't even Cousin's unhappy. Oh sad you made four
hundred million playing. Sad you're coming off.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
Achille Pool hasn't made anywhere near that. Jordan Love hasn't
sniffed that.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
Tua struggles. I mean there's a history college and pro
of him staying healthy. Can't throw a deep ball, has
to play in really mild weather. You're gonna tell me
what I have to do.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
I agree with that, But from tuist perspective, step into
Twois shoes for a sec. Colin, how would you feel?
Speaker 5 (39:16):
Well?
Speaker 1 (39:17):
I'm not saying you shouldn't have your feelings hurt, but
you should always wait unless you identify a quarterback like
Lamar Jackson came into the league and we all went
the hell Herbert literally first game against Mahomes, You're like, yeah,
that works, Josh Allen Mahomes. Yeah, those guys you identify early.
(39:37):
Jordan Love couldn't get on the field for four years.
That's a different and it was bad, bad his first
six stars. That's a whole different ballgame than Mahomes.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
So you said, you wait, I like this. When you snooze,
you lose.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Now you know what happens. When you snooze, you wake
up rested and healthy. I'm for snoozing all the time, refreshed. Okay,
I think we actually agree on Jordan. You just decided
this morning to argue with the take of poor guy
who wants to get the bag.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
Show me the money. That's what Jordan loves saying. Right now,
That's what's what I was saying, right, that's what you're saying.
Just looking at it from the Star's perspective. Looking Trevor Lawrence,
by the.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
Way, I'm just looking at Look Trevor Lawrence is number
one pick, college All American. It's a different quarterback.
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