February 12, 2025 • 42 mins
Colin looks forward to Luka Doncic's second game as a Laker and can't believe this franchise found a way to land another young superstar
He outlines the issues the Chiefs have on offense as they look to return to Super Bowl contention and Travis Kelce considering retirement
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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a Wednesday live in Los Angeles. It's The Herd. Wherever
you may be and however you may be listening. Thanks
for making us part of your day. Greg Cosel is
going to join us in one hour to wrap up
the Super Bowl and talk about a couple of other things.
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Free agency is going to be a few weeks away. Jmac.
The Lakers play again tonight now in Salt Lake. Luca
Lebron heading to the Great Salt Lake. I was talking
to a friend last night who went to the Luca
at Crypto, and this is a person that has lived
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in various parts of the country, gone to a lot
of big events, and he said it was the greatest
basketball moment he'd been at since Kobe's last game as
a Laker. Wow. He said, it's just hard to explain
the buzz everybody's standing. He doesn't matter if you were
an influencer, if you were forty five years old. He said,
there was just butterflies and anticipation. And I was thinking
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about this with the Lakers. Are they the smartest or
the luckiest team in the history of American sports? They
have feasted on others' mistakes. Let's go back to Kobe Bryant,
the closest thing we've ever seen to MJ. They got
Kobe Bryant the thirteenth pick in the draft for vlade divots,
who smoked after games, who wasn't at the time, an
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All star, who like many Europeans at the time, was
finesse more of a passer than a scorer. Kobe got
five rings, two MVPs in the finals, another mvponic. Jerry
West worked him out at the Inglewood YMCA. They put
Michael Cooper on him. This is how good Kobe was
out of high school. They put one of the great
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defenders of all time, Michael Cooper guarded him in an
Inglewood YMCA. Jerry West called it the greatest forty five
minute workout he'd ever seen. They got him for a
guy that smoked after games, they got Powe Gasol from Memphis.
What did they give up? A bunch of stuff, including
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Kwame Brown, Javaris Crittinton, and lower first round picks for
pow Gasol, who with Kobe would win two more titles
and one of Kobe's great teammates ever, They got Anthony Davis.
He think, well, they had to give up quite a
haul for Anthony Davis. Well, Lonzo Ball had already shown
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a prone injury career. He got hurt a lot already.
They gave up again lower first round picks because Ad
and Lebron together we're gonna be a top team in
the league. Josh Hart's a good B player. I like him,
and Brandon Ingram scores a lot, but there's not much
there beyond. He makes a lot of money and scores
a lot, but he's not a guy that's gonna carry
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you anywhere. And then they get Luca for a six
pack of diet coke and Ad at thirty one. I mean,
if the Lakers call about your superstar, hang the phone up.
They stole Kobe, They pretty much stole Pau Gasol. I mean,
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they had to give up some picks at the end
of the first round for ad but Luca for one
first round pick, one first round pick and Anthony Davis,
who I like a lot but is now hurt and
probably out for six to eight weeks. It's really remarkable
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what they've done. You know, maybe this is just the
way business works, that the better teams and the bigger
brands manipulate the bad gms and the bad CEOs and
the bad brands. But it's remarkable. You'll watch tonight. Utah's
not a great team, but Luca's going to start here,
probably in about five or six games, once he gets
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back into shape here because he was off since Christmas,
he'll start dropping thirty. Lebron's plan the best he's played
in arguably a decade. Austin Reeves now is a not
necessary but a very good three to four. They kept
Dalton connect. I don't know. I mean to me, there
are a rim protector away from being a championship team.
Rachel Nichols on the show yesterday talking about this deal again.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
There wasn't a feeling prior to this trade that the
Lakers were headed to the Western Conference finals, and now
you can make that case.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
I think there's a lane there.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
I still wouldn't call them the favorite in the West,
but I definitely think it's going to be interesting.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
And just that.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Idea that if they wanted to, the Lakers could play
either Luca or for forty eight straight minutes often both
of them is crazy.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Yeah, it's more than that. Lakers lebron Luca again Game
two together, this time in Salt Lake. So uh, you know,
super Bowls always resonate. One thing we do know in
the last decade, if you lose a Super Bowl, no
matter how good your quarterback is, there's only one exception,
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and that was the Patriots. Once that you go back
and you crush again. Everybody pulls back if they lose
a Super Bowl. They get to the Super Bowl, they lose,
they don't get back. It's just the way it is.
And Travis Kelcey was on his podcast with his brother,
and you know, he kind of disappeared last couple of games.
He has been their number one target last three four
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years or longer, and he's just a very important person.
He blocks, he's tough, the physicality, the temperament. But it
may be time to quit retire.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
I know everybody wants to know whether out on play
next year and right now, I'm just kicking everything down
the road. I'm kicking every can I can down the road,
and I'm not making any crazy decisions. The fact that
we keep going to these AFC Championships and these Super Bowls,
and that means I'm playing the extra three games more
than everybody else in the in the entire league. And
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that's a lot of wear and tear on your body,
and it's a lot of time spent in the building.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Yeah, we've said this about Lebron. Lebron's played over three
full seasons of just playoff games. You start looking at
Travis Kelcey in the last seven years, he's played another
season of NFL football for playoff games. And we ask
our tight ends the block often the best athlete on
the other side of the field. So let's be honest
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about Kansas City's offense. Remember when Tom Brady got to
the end of New England and there was that piece
of video him screaming. It was a maybe I've been
a Thursday night game or a Sunday night game. He's
screaming at his wide receivers. Somebody get open. But New
England was unable because they were other players, including Brady
and they didn't draft wide receivers well. So if you
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really are honest about Kansas City, in the last three years,
they've kind of been patchwork on offense. I mean, all
five Super Bowl trips have had five different left tackles.
They've never had a great left tackle. Patchwork. The wide
receivers in the last three Super Bowls, Richie James, McCole, Hardman,
Sky Moore, Kadarius Tony, Marquis Valden, Scandling here kind of
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bounce around the NFL guys, that's all they are. They
don't have a ton of stability at running back. I mean,
we're doing Kareem Hunt again. Isaiah Pacheco is a great story.
Is he a great player? Clyde Edwards Hilaire was a bust.
There are warning signs here now. Some of it is
Mahomes is super expensive, Travis Kelsey super expensive, Chris Jones
super expensive. They have a very good GM and they
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draft well. But if you remember in the end Tom
Brady in New England, Tom Brady was sort of holding
that offense up with duct tape. And after I'm watching
that game against Philadelphia and the game again, it's only Buffalo.
They always score thirty five points or more. You start
looking Buffalo's defense. The top corner was out. We don't
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consider it an elite defense. We don't we consider the
offense with Josh Allen and James Cook and Kincaid. That's
the part of the Bills that is elite. You just
start looking at this team when they played good defenses
like Houston and Philadelphia. They got a bunch of b dudes.
It's the Brady Patriots at the end. You're just holding
it together. It's patchwork guys everywhere. And again, I'll go
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to the Super Bowl runner up. Since twenty fourteen Patriots
won the Super Bowl, you've got four different teams missed
the playoffs. You got teams losing wild card and divisional
round stuff. So I think it's pretty clear. And when
you draft thirty first in a very very weak draft,
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where draft people who I lean on say there are twelve,
maybe thirteen max elite first round players, Kansas City's getting
none of them. And they need one at left tackle,
they need another one at tight end, they need another
one at running back, and by the way, they need
another interior offensive lineman. They gotta spend some time in
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capital on that offensive line that got pushed around for
four hours against Philadelphia. So my take on Travis Kelsey
has been this is the perfect time for a clean break.
He's got tons of money, lots of options, and I
think one of the mistakes basketball football teams do is
they cling to the end. You could say, well, what
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about Lebron. Lebron's still elite. Lebron's still a top seven
player in the league. There are nights he's a top
pre player in the league. There's knights that he's the
best player in the NBA still depending on the schedule.
So to me, this feels like it's time for a
clean break. He's expensive, he's a tight end. This is
a good tight end draft. If they were gonna move
up and be aggressive outside of left tackle, it'd be
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for tight end. But J Mack, when you lose those
Super Bowls and you lose the way they did, it
is interesting. It does change your opinion on stuff. Now
you called it, you said it was going to be
a D line rolling over Kansas City. I did not.
But it's funny two or three days later, you know
it sounds like, oh, it's kind of a recency bias.
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But when you lose like that. It does change your
opinion on a lot of things.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
You know, there's a clip of Travis Kelce. You're right
right around the forty eight yard line near midfield, and
he runs a little bit of the pass pattern and
then just sits at the forty eight yard line because
he saw a flag like, does not engage in the
rest of the play and Chiefs fans are kind of
ticked off online. Patrick Mahons is scrambling for his life
and Travis Kelce's literally just standing there. And Colin, I
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know this isn't right to say, but do you think
the Chiefs quit a little bit in the Super Bowl
when they were down twenty four to nothing.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Oh, the body language wasn't good. They started making really
dumb mistakes lining up off sides. Yeah, I think. You know,
this is something else that the pressure of being number one.
I remember listening to a baseball general manager fifteen years
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ago and he said, what you don't realize. He was
talking about the Yankees. This was like fifteen when I
lived on the East Coast. He said, what people don't
realize about the Yankees because they're good every year in
the playoffs. Every year you are taxing your bullpen. You're
taxing your starters. It's an unnatural act to throw a
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ball ninety five miles an hour. He goes, these pitchers
go into spring and you got to ramp it up again.
He's like, we're playing twenty five more games than everybody
else and they're intense national TV, high leverage situations. Now
in football, you don't have an unnatural act. But you
have to remember when you're going to Super Bowls year
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after year after year like the Patriots are doing, it
beats up on your team. That's a tight end over
the course of six years being tackled another one hundred times.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
Okay, but hold on, Colin. Remember they didn't play their
starters week EIGHTEAM. Then they had to buy It was
like three weeks for Travis Kelcey and he had a
good game against the Texans, but then played that they
had to play the next week, did nothing against the Bills,
got the bye week before the Super Bowl, and did
nothing in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
It looked like all the energy they had. You know,
we always think Buffalo never beats Kansas City. They actually
did two weeks earlier. Is that all the Chiefs energy
went to beat Buffalo that's fair. They played a great game,
they emptied the tank and they had nothing left. So
let me ask Cooper Cup and the Rams are going
to be parting ways. Cooper Cup, you know injuries.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Wear and tear, not really deliberate expense.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
The Chiefs go that route with Travis kelce If you're
if you're moving off Kelsey, you're saving money. Why would
you bring in an older injury.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
I don't mean bring in Cooper Cup. I just meant
the way the Rams are moving off of him. Do
the Chiefs say, hey, Travis, thank you for your service.
Oh yeah, but that's it's a rap.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
I think it is a rap. And that's okay. I
think it's a rap. This is not the NBA where
players control all those personnel decisions. I think it's a wrap.
By the way, it's it's folks, We've all got eyes,
we're all watching it. We're watching what's happening. It's the
reality with Travis is it's been a remarkable career. But
tight ends don't last forever. They're not quarterbacks, they're not kickers.
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This stuff ends quickly. I mean Travis Kelcey last year
acknowledged he'd had ten surgeries.
Speaker 5 (13:23):
Yeah, so they could look a lot different next year
with no Travis Kelce.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Holy So I saw something yesterday that is I don't understand.
I got an Aaron Rodgers story, I got a Kevin
Durant story. But man, I saw a quote yesterday.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Do we all.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Understand what is happening to the biggest brand in America?
And we'll talk about that.
Speaker 6 (13:47):
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Speaker 1 (13:58):
Greg Cosal of our Number two. I was thinking about
something the other day. You get into these moments, it
never feels like what I'm about to say is true.
Is half the biggest brands in sports are hitting. Half
the biggest brands in America are hitting, and then half
are reeling or rebuilding or remodeling or rebooting. And I
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was just thinking about the biggest brands in sports, and
let's just take a second to think about so like,
if you go to Major League Baseball, you know the
biggest brands Yankees and Dodgers. So I mean the Yankees
just bringing in Paul Goldsmith, Cody Bellinger, Max Freed, they
just got to a World Series for the first since
two thousand and nine. They didn't get Soto, but they
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upgraded their pitching Dodgers. Meanwhile, I just I was looking
at Jim Bowden article this morning. He thinks the Dodgers
are the most improved team in the league and they
just won a World Series. They have added all throughout
their pitching staff. So the two biggest brands, the Yankees
and the Dodgers, are humming in Major leig baseball. Let's
go to the NBA. Listen, the Luca trade is an
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unbelievable reboot for the Lakers, and the Celtics are the
best team in basketball. Golass the Knicks that have been
run over steamrolled by him twice this year. But I
would also put the Knicks as the third biggest brand.
Forbes says it's the most valuable and this is the
best Knicks team since nineteen ninety seven. And I like
the team. I don't think they can beat Boston. I
think they can beat everybody else in the league. So
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Boston Lakers, Knicks very very strong. Let's go to college football,
very popular. Sport Ohio State just won to Natty. Michigan
won the year before Notre Dame in Texas are exceptional
to me. Those are the four biggest brands in college football.
BAM is big in the South, not as big nationally.
It's Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame in Texas. They are
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all hummon. Michigan pulled back last year, landed the number
one quarterback in the country. They'll be good again and
this year I think are they hosting Ohio State this
year instead of going on the road. I don't know,
but they'll be very, very good. Let's go to college basketball.
Last fifteen years, Yukon and do Duke's got the number
one player Yukon back to back titles. I mean, even
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non sports, if you look at stock prices, the three
biggest brands to be in the in the nation, you
can argue just the biggest brands in the country, Apple, Amazon,
Coca Cola up year over year and those are about
as big a brands as you have in America Coke, Apple,
and Amazon. I mean, the only thing that's appears to
be missing. Let me think about this. Oh, the Dallas
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Cowboys are awful. They are the only big, huge, massive
brand in America that is awful, and they just had
they just hired a coach and they've dumped it on
a Friday news dump. And Dak Prescott said this yesterday
at UH what do they say? The best problem, best
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way to correct a problem is to acknowledge you have
a problem. So Stephen Jones about a month ago said drought.
Remember he put it in quotes, drought like we're having
a drought, spens, it's a drought. Jerry Jones said over
the weekend, Hey, we could have been here and Dak
Prescott talking about the Eagles and the Super Bowl going forward.
Speaker 7 (17:09):
I'm not feel like we compete with the Eagles and
beat them for the most part, and that we've played them.
I don't want to say, check the record one that
the guy's holding the trophy right now, so they're credit
to them. They've learned and they deserved it by all means.
But yeah, very close.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Okay, not quite acknowledging the issue. Could we think we
can stack up with Philadelphia? You got two guys who
could play ceede Lamb and Micah. I'm not sure anybody
else gets on the field, and I'm dead serious. Zach
Martin maybe, but I'm not sure. The Cowboys have two starters,
two that start for Philadelphia and Phillies players. Many of
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the best ones are like rookies in the second year guys,
they're getting better. So I was thinking about this for
the record. It also shows you how powerful the NFL is.
They just got one hundred and twenty seven million people
to watch the Game of record, and Dallas is in
the toilet. But I told the staff this morning, if
you just went to the NFC, forget the Ravens, forget Harbond,
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the Chargers, forget the Chiefs, forget Buffalo, forget those teams. Houston,
Let's just go to the NFC. If you told me
next year the top ten teams in the NFC, I
don't have Dallas in that. I think Philadelphia easily the
best roster, Detroit second best roster, Aiden Hutchinson coming back.
Rams aren't missing on draft picks of Stafford's days. They
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Green Bay and Washington with Jayden Daniels are a handful.
The Niners will figure it out when Christian McCaffrey gets healthy.
I don't think they're a top three or four team,
but they'll get better. Minnesota and Seattle have too many
good players, and I think I think Baker's better than DAK.
I'll put them nine, and I do think Ben Johnson
in Chicago's roster will make noise. I don't know if
their playoff team. Dallas is not in the same class
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as Philadelphia, and from what I've seen with Jayden Daniels,
they're not close to Washington. So if Shador Sanders landed
with the Giant, I'm not so sure Dallas isn't a
fourth place team. So yesterday, as some sort of a joke,
I said the dynasty was dead in Kansas City, I
had a little tombstone. Let's be honest, we have a
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real tombstone. Go ahead, but we can show the real tombstone.
It's over. It's the last brand in American sports, I
mean huge brand that is in the toilet, and it's
not close Dak's second surgery. DAK is going to be
the biggest salary cap hit in league history next year
unless Jerry, who from what we can tell, is tapped,
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figures out a way to pay some of it. Early
Jmack with the.
Speaker 6 (19:42):
News, this is the Herdline News.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
It's amazing all the brands in this country, the big ones. Yeah,
I mean so all the big sports brands.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
It's been quite a fall for Dallas.
Speaker 5 (19:56):
And let's start with another franchise that had a fall,
and that's the forty nine. They pulled back after going
to the Super Bowl, missed the playoffs, finished six and eleven.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
They can blame injuries.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
They don't have a completely n f GM, but heading
into the offseason, owner Jed York is confident in the
brain trust of their GM and head coach, saying there's
no one I respect more and trust more than Lynch
and Shanahan to get us back on track. Obviously, those
two have to navigate this Brock Purty deal and Colin listen,
there's a world where guys like Sam Darnold, Kirk Cousins,
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Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson, Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
There's a lot of guy quarterbacks on the market.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
I don't know if they're definitely gonna say, Brock, we're
not paying you. We're gonna we're gonna roll the dice
with Sam Darnold for two years.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
This is gonna come down to Brock Purdy and his agent.
If they are willing to accept a Daniel Jones contract,
then I think he's the quarterback. If they try to
argue they deserve a dack contract. You have to move on.
This is not, by the way brock Purty and his
agent think they have leverage. No, they don't. Well, next
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year is a very good quarterback draft out of college.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
Timeout, But you've got to be awful to get one
of the good quarterbacks. The forty nine ers aren't going
to fall off the map.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Right will they they?
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Well, do you have to be awful or do you
have to be average? Draft about fourteenth? Give away a
couple of picks to get your guy.
Speaker 5 (21:19):
I don't like moving up. The Bryce Young deal soured
me on trading. I remembers a lot of these quarterbacks.
Mahomes went ten, Josh Allen didn't go number one. You
start look at where did Justin Herbert go? Where did
Jalen Hurts go?
Speaker 1 (21:30):
The idea that all the best quarterbacks go in the
top five is simply not true.
Speaker 5 (21:34):
Okay, fair, but I guess the pushback would be there
is looking at the landscape, only a handful of good
quarterbacks in this league.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
You could argue right now that twelve team zeed quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
But the team, now that's an interesting topic. So over
the last I think it's six to eight years We've
had three different college drafts that have produced at least
four franchise quarterbacks. Now, remember you and I grew up
where everybody always talked about that one draft that at
elwayn Marino eighty three. We've had three of those doubled
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in the last six seven years. Quarterback play is much
better in high school in college. So next year is
another year projected for four to five first round quarterback.
This is a week year. Next year's back to four
to five first round quarterbacks. Somebody's gonna go one, somebody
will probably go three, somebody will go eight, somebody will
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go thirteen. Remember where did Michael just start looking around
with these quarterbacks? Bow Knicks first year? What did he get?
Drafted twelve or thirteen? So Lamar Jackson late first round,
Patrick Mahomes ten. If you finish middle of the pack
in the NFL next year the following draft, you will
get a first round.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
Quarterback one of those. I just listened to the three
names you shot out. It was Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, and
Bo Nicks. So the coaches Sean Payton, Andy Reid, Yes,
and John Harbor.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
I have three winning franchise.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
A Hill smart Well, San Francisco's got Kyle Shanahan.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
They do. But I thought you were out on him.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
No, I'm not out on him, all right. I am
out on this franchise. If you're trying to convince me,
brock Purty is a sixty million dollar quarterback, you know,
J Mack. There's a lot of things I like. I
bought a car six months ago. I liked it for
the price. Okay, cay, if i'd have paid double what
I paid for my average A nice car, not spectacular,
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I liked it for the price. Everything's got a price.
About six quarterbacks all pay top dollar. That's about it.
Everybody else I'm looking for value.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
How do you think rock Perty feels about that?
Speaker 1 (23:36):
I'm not concerned a seventh round pick. He'll carry your
franchise quarterback if you make forty million a year from
a small town in Arizona and you're the last guy picked.
Sometimes in life, don't don't try to get happier than happy.
He's in a great spot. He inherited, he inherited, Trent Williams,
Christian McCaffrey, George Kittle, Kyle Shanahan, a world class organization. Oh,
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he didn't get paid his first contract. That's your problem.
You make forty million for four years, you'll never work again. Sorry.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
But even though he sees his peer liked, how.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
Would you feel if Sam Darnald got a bigger contract
than him?
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Sam Donald's first round quarterback? Who cares?
Speaker 3 (24:15):
That was like eight years ago.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Bigger, stronger, more athletic. Doesn't struggle when it When it.
Speaker 5 (24:20):
Struggle with it matters except Week eighteen in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Doesn't scial rock Perty dominated last year? He was great
in the playoffs, coming fired up, drizzles.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Little disrespectful for my guy, rock Perty. I was cap
up for him. I think we're going to revisit this
at some point, all right. Next story, Colin is.
Speaker 5 (24:37):
The Green Bay Packers have made the playoffs in both
seasons with Jordan Love starting under center, but they still
don't have a true number one target.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Now.
Speaker 5 (24:45):
We heard Josh Jacobs last week say, hey, we could
use a number one receiver. Now, Jordan Love was asked
about adding a veteran like a DeVante Adams, and here's
what he had to say.
Speaker 8 (24:56):
You see it every week. I mean to play make
an ability that he has when I was with him.
I don't think I mean he might have dropped three
passes in the years that I saw him. So he's
just a phenomenal receiver. You know, create so much separation
off the line, and you know that's that's his game.
When you add those good players, you know, it's only
going to help our offense.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
I think.
Speaker 8 (25:15):
And it's got to be the right guys, you know,
the right fit for the group we have. And you
know it's all about the mindset. You want guys that's
gonna come in and want to win it and want
to you know, push the envelope and do all the
extra things.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Yeah, I think that's overrated.
Speaker 5 (25:29):
What's going on in that lockerow? I don't two people
from the offense though, calling out the wide receivers basically.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Well, Christian Watson is a little fragile, always hurt. But
everybody else maybe they're young, little immature.
Speaker 5 (25:40):
Dobs had the moment where he did not how to
not get the ball and like got suspended, immature. Jaden
Reid is awesome but doesn't show up every game, or
maybe he could be skied out.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
I don't have a problem going and buying like like
T Higgins could fit. I don't think you have to
spend a fortune, And again I like T Higgins depending
on the price point. He's not a dominant player. He's
a really good player when Jamar Chase is doubled. When
Jamar Chase is doubled, and you get the second best corner.
And very few teams outside the Jets have two great corners.
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So T Higginsway's face is the second best corner. Now
you go to Green Bay. Oh, We're putting the best
corner on you. It's a whole different ballgame. So you huh,
I like T Higgins, Like I like my car. What's
the price Jamar Chase, I'll break the bank, justin Jefferson,
Mike Evans, I'll spend whatever. It's different sounds like.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
So that's two stories here. Somebody's trying to go a
little frugal.
Speaker 5 (26:35):
Doesn't want to pay the players, the coastal elite coward
does not want to pay the quarterback of the receiver.
Final story is the NBA Collins listen man, look at
this highlight ryer Joellebee game on the line.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Passes up and open three fumbles it in the look
at this What is he doing?
Speaker 1 (26:51):
By the way, what is he doing in the perimeter.
You're off the base game.
Speaker 5 (26:55):
He's off now he doesn't want to end. He said
he needs another surgery. Cod This is he got boot
off the shit the seconds left. Philly ended up losing
to Low Lei Toronto Raptors were like tanking basically. Now
it seems like they're gonna try to make the play in.
The Sixers are a season worse, thirteen games under five hundred.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Yep. When you pander the players and they have injuries, egos,
this is what you get. Nobody to blame but Philadelphia
Embiid's been an issue for years. I don't know how.
You watch the Olympics and watch how he struggled to
fit in with the world's greatest players and came out
of that Olympics thinking I really like this guy. This
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is the future of the franchise. That was a cautionary tale.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
You remember when he went all into the MVP Award.
Remember that he was like, I gotta get the MVV.
He got it. He has not been the same player since. Man,
he's constantly hurt.
Speaker 5 (27:46):
It's like he went put all his energies into winning
a freaking MVP award. He has still never been to
a conference finals. It's not happening this.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Has he ever won a second playoff round? Has he
ever won in one season a second player?
Speaker 3 (27:58):
I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
No. And by the way, if you look, here's the
thing about Philadelphia, it's all ego and nonsense. When I
look at the Knicks, or I look at the Celtics,
or I look at Cleveland, I just don't sense anything
other than chemistry winning. Those teams are well built cams,
Nick Celtics. I don't see any disruptions. I don't see
any variants outside of go to work, play hard, d
(28:22):
up every night. All three of those teams will d
you up.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
So let me ask you better career Anthony Davis or
Joelle and Anthony Davis easily just making sure.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Here's a lot of embid fan boys out there.
Speaker 5 (28:34):
And Colin, here's the thing. Ain't nobody trading for this guy? Okay,
he's gonna have a surgery in the offseason. I don't
know what the market value of Paul George is. I
feel a little bad for your boy, Tyrese Maxey, who
they got locked up last night by the Raptors. But
I mean he's having a good season. You watched the
Knicks last night, They got a nice win. Yeah, yeah,
over the Pacers. I watch you check it out NBA.
Did you watch any got.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
A flat tire? So I sat in a car dealership
for an hour watching the next win.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Oh wow, flat tire.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Hey, I could have done it my on the four
and five.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
When was the last time you changed a tire?
Speaker 1 (29:03):
I'm gonna get into that.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Yeah, that's what I thought.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
When's the last time I considered doing it? You know what?
Speaker 5 (29:10):
Years you got a call Triple A, They'll come and
fix your flat tire and heartfeat.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
I just pulled into a dealership and I watched, and
I wasn't happy about it until they were a great dealership,
totally took care. They were really nice people.
Speaker 5 (29:21):
Well they probably saw like, oh there's a famous guy
with a flat tire autograph.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
I saw a schmuck who was a sad dog walking
into the dealership. But I sat on the good news
is I mean? I had a I had a cappuccino
and I sat and watching forty five minutes of the
Nixon Pacers.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
It was great cigar last night to celebrate the flat tire.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
No, I didn't have anything to celebrate it. J Mack
with the News, Well, that's.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
The news, and thanks for stopping by.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
It was actually funny. I called a dealership. I said, I, so,
I'm I'm for two days. I've been stopping off at
every gas station putting air in my tire and it
just doesn't hold. And so I finally called him and
I said, I'm driving up on Thursday. I got a
long drive third day and crappy weather. Can I get
a new tire? And the lady says, you can get
here in thirty minutes before we close. I got in
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my car and I'm not joking LA rush Hour. I
think I hit a dozen straight green lights. It hit
a dozen streets. I got in there and there was
about five minutes to go before they closed the doors,
and it was like, you know what, there's an angel
over me tonight I can be changing this puppy. On
the four oh five, I got lucky, watched the Knicks
had a cafe clutch a cappuccino. It was clutch. Yeah,
(30:29):
it was clutch boy. What a cautionary tale for an
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Speaker 1 (31:55):
That was a story yesterday. We didn't spend a ton
of time on it, but basically, Aaron Glenn is the
new coach of the New York Jets, and Aaron Glenn
went to Aaron Rodgers and said, listen, you have to
show up to training camp and you got to be
their mandatory practices, off season stuff even before camp starts,
and you can't be on anybody's show and making weekly appearances,
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which I don't think that big of a deal, but
you know, Aaron Glenn does not want the distraction. And
I think my wife said, when we were, you know,
our kids were younger, were raising kids, he always had
a great saying, is that as a parent, be a
great example or a horrible warning. They both work. There's
(32:38):
a lot of teams that now will look at the
Philadelphia Eagles and say, wow, that's how you build a team.
But part of building a pro football team is not
making a disastrous decision out of desperation and acquiring a
quarterback out of desperation, which is what the Jets did,
never ends well. You could say, what about New England
(32:58):
Tom Brady went to town Tampa was not desperate. They
were a five hundred team. They had a very good roster,
they have a great GM, they had continuity, but Jamis
was mistake prone, so they upgraded at quarterback. They weren't desperate.
They were a five hundred team. What about the Rams
with Stafford? They weren't desperate. Golf got to a Super Bowl,
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was forty two and twenty. They wanted to upgrade. Three
teams in the last couple of years were desperate at
quarterback and went and got a big name Denver with
Russell Wilson, Cleveland with Deshaun Watson, and the Jets with
Aaron Rodgers, and all three were an abject disaster. And
(33:39):
here's one of the things I was thinking about this
this morning, and the hidden danger to being desperate is
not just the draft capital you give up, but that
the star quarterback knows you're desperate. What did Russell Wilson
do in Denver? Hey, let me get my own office, cringy, No,
(34:05):
he never did that in Seattle. What did Deshaun Watson
do in Cleveland? Knowing he had the Browns over a barrel?
He was once cleared to playing a game and He's like, yeah,
I know, but I just don't feel like it. And
then there was Aaron Rodgers. I want you guys to
sign Blizard, I want Nat Hackett, I want my buddies
(34:25):
on the team. And I'm going to go to Egypt
during camp. You know, I went to some of the practices.
I'm going to go to Egypt. Russell, Deshaun, and Aaron
in a position in American sports, quarterback, which is sort
of the glamour position. And I'm not blaming Russell, DeShawn
or Aaron for having an ego. You gotta have one
(34:46):
to be a pro athlete, especially a quarterback. But when
teams are desperate, the quarterbacks know they are desperate and
they lean into it, and poorly run businesses get into
these spaces. And what's interesting about the Jets now, they
won't be as good at quarterback next year because Aaron
played pretty well down the stretch, but they won't be desperate.
(35:09):
They won't be good at quarterback. They won't be desperate
why because the new GM and coach have a pass
for a year to build a culture. I mean, Dan
Campbell's lines were awful as first year. Secondly, next year's
college quarterback draft, you're gonna have four first round guys.
And the third thing is if the Jets can land
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let's say a tight end and a defensive tackle in
this draft, Mason Graham first pick, maybe move up and
get a good tight end. They actually have a playoff roster.
It's actually a really good roster. I like the Jets roster,
didn't like the coach, necessarily, didn't like the ownership group.
But go look at Denver, go look at Cleveland, go
(35:53):
look at the Jets in all three. It's not just
giving up draft capital. That's not just it draft pick
for a sixty to forty to fifty to fifty proposition
to begin with. What it's doing is that quarterback knows
you've got the team over a barrel, and they lean
into it. So I'm gonna throw this out. So J
Mack used to, I'm not sure if he still does,
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had a relationship with Kevin Durant. So I love Kevin Durant,
the player I in my lifetime, I believe Kevin Durant
is the greatest catch and shoot player in the history
of the basketball worlds. In fact, I've said before, if
you did an all time one on one tournament, takeout centers,
(36:38):
if you did a one on one tournament, the only
guy that I think beats Michael Jordan is Kevin Durant.
I don't think Michael can stop him. I just think
Kevin Durant is He is a bucket. You can give
him the ball late in the possession. He doesn't need
to set it up. He's an all time talent. But
last night he became the eighth player to score thirty
thousand points, and I think it's interesting. It's a milestone
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on an irrelevant team and a loss, and that sort
of sums up his career. But what's amazing is that
everybody loves to bang on coaches in the NBA and
general managers that guy for Dallas is getting crushed. But
I said it at the time, and I was shocked
(37:24):
at the lack of agreement within NBA media. Kevin Durant
tanked his own career. He really did. He was at
the time when he was in Golden State, Kevin Durant
was there were a half the people covering the league
said he was better than Lebron. He was beating Lebron,
(37:45):
he was a better offensive player. He made Steph look small.
He was MVP of finals. The league thought it was twice.
The league thought it was unfair. I mean, Adam Silver
was uncomfortable with how dominant they were, and then he decided,
I want to go play with Kyrie and Brooklyn.
Speaker 9 (38:07):
The hell.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
And I've always felt the difference between Lebron and KD
is not their games. They're both all time great players.
The difference between Lebron and KD is Lebron is more
like a Gordon Ramsey or a Jay Z I'm not
a businessman. I'm a business man, and Kevin Durant is
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more the artist who halfway through the tour cancels the tour,
sues ticketmaster and gets into a fistfight with his drummer.
Is like all basketball players because it's the most creative
of our sports. They're all artists. Kobe was an artist,
Michael's an artist. All great basketball scorers, Carmelo's an artist.
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I mean, they've all got a different looking shot. There
is nobody that copied the skyhook outside of Jordan. Nobody
played quite like him except Kobe. There is no duplicate
for Larry Birder magic. I've never seen anybody that plays
like him. It's the most artistry. The difference is and
neither are starving artists but one and you see this
a lot bono with you too, Gordon ramsay Jay z
(39:21):
that artist can compartmentalize business in the art and Katie
doesn't like it's just all art. And in the end,
he literally could be a top three to four player
ever and he left. And what the funny thing is,
STEP's about the easiest guy in the world to play with,
and Klay Thompson maybe the second easiest guy start to
play with. And so when he sets that record last night,
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he's the eighth player to score thirty thousand, there's a
warm spot in my heart because I think he is
one of the great artists of my lifetime to play basketball.
I love watching him play. I think he would win
a one on one all time basketball tournament. He's one
of the few guys I would pay to watch as
a professional athlete. I think he's a really nice guy.
But I often look at that and I said it
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at the time. If Patrick Mahomes in the middle of
the dynasty would have said, you don't want to go
play with my friend Michole Hartman. With the Jets, you'd
be in like, excuse me, you're not leaving Andy Reid.
You're not You're not leaving Travis Kelcey. But in basketball,
because there's so much artistry that we kind of say, like,
(40:24):
hey man, it's just ball. You got to let the
artists perform football, we don't. They're all gladiators, right, they're
all tackling each other. Shorter careers, they beat on each other,
they're wobbling, they're all hurt by like week four. But
so last night he set the record and immediately they
were talking about his future in Phoenix. If you had
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your choice in the matter, and it's not under your control,
would you rather just play the rest of your career
in Phoenix?
Speaker 6 (40:55):
Uh?
Speaker 8 (40:55):
Man, I'm We'll focus on Houston tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
Man, we ain't gonna go there right now. Again to
the end, incredibly likable. It's just interesting you go back
when he was with the Warriors. You were probably one
of those saying is he better than Lebron? That was
a real discussion in America. Lebron has always been very
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good at manipulating the business side. Again, a lot of
these star chefs, there's a sad ending, a lot of
star musicians sad ending, and then you get Mick Jagger
or Bono or Gordon Ramsay and it's like, yeah, they
get the business side of it. Jay Z gets the
business side of it, and that to me, that's the difference.
Lebron is great at that and Katie is just more artist.
(41:38):
It's about the ball, it's about performing. Depends on the mood.
I know you love him, are you still in a
relationship where you can discuss I.
Speaker 5 (41:46):
Have not dm'd with him lately, but there was a
time when he was a two time finals MVP. He
was the best player in the league.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
I got no disrespect to Lebron. He was I beat him,
had to hit in the finals twice.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
I was arguing at people who were saying that, and
I'm like, but it was a real argument for about
a six year stretch. No, KD is better than Lebron,
and offensively, I do think he's more gifted. I don't
think i'd i'd take I would argue that all day long,
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Free agency is going to be a few weeks away. Jmac.
The Lakers play again tonight now in Salt Lake. Luca
Lebron heading to the Great Salt Lake. I was talking
to a friend last night who went to the Luca
at Crypto, and this is a person that has lived
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in various parts of the country, gone to a lot
of big events, and he said it was the greatest
basketball moment he'd been at since Kobe's last game as
a Laker. Wow. He said, it's just hard to explain
the buzz everybody's standing. He doesn't matter if you were
an influencer, if you were forty five years old. He said,
there was just butterflies and anticipation. And I was thinking
(01:28):
about this with the Lakers. Are they the smartest or
the luckiest team in the history of American sports? They
have feasted on others' mistakes. Let's go back to Kobe Bryant,
the closest thing we've ever seen to MJ. They got
Kobe Bryant the thirteenth pick in the draft for vlade divots,
who smoked after games, who wasn't at the time, an
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All star, who like many Europeans at the time, was
finesse more of a passer than a scorer. Kobe got
five rings, two MVPs in the finals, another mvponic. Jerry
West worked him out at the Inglewood YMCA. They put
Michael Cooper on him. This is how good Kobe was
out of high school. They put one of the great
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defenders of all time, Michael Cooper guarded him in an
Inglewood YMCA. Jerry West called it the greatest forty five
minute workout he'd ever seen. They got him for a
guy that smoked after games, they got Powe Gasol from Memphis.
What did they give up? A bunch of stuff, including
(02:32):
Kwame Brown, Javaris Crittinton, and lower first round picks for
pow Gasol, who with Kobe would win two more titles
and one of Kobe's great teammates ever, They got Anthony Davis.
He think, well, they had to give up quite a
haul for Anthony Davis. Well, Lonzo Ball had already shown
(02:56):
a prone injury career. He got hurt a lot already.
They gave up again lower first round picks because Ad
and Lebron together we're gonna be a top team in
the league. Josh Hart's a good B player. I like him,
and Brandon Ingram scores a lot, but there's not much
there beyond. He makes a lot of money and scores
a lot, but he's not a guy that's gonna carry
(03:17):
you anywhere. And then they get Luca for a six
pack of diet coke and Ad at thirty one. I mean,
if the Lakers call about your superstar, hang the phone up.
They stole Kobe, They pretty much stole Pau Gasol. I mean,
(03:37):
they had to give up some picks at the end
of the first round for ad but Luca for one
first round pick, one first round pick and Anthony Davis,
who I like a lot but is now hurt and
probably out for six to eight weeks. It's really remarkable
(03:58):
what they've done. You know, maybe this is just the
way business works, that the better teams and the bigger
brands manipulate the bad gms and the bad CEOs and
the bad brands. But it's remarkable. You'll watch tonight. Utah's
not a great team, but Luca's going to start here,
probably in about five or six games, once he gets
(04:18):
back into shape here because he was off since Christmas,
he'll start dropping thirty. Lebron's plan the best he's played
in arguably a decade. Austin Reeves now is a not
necessary but a very good three to four. They kept
Dalton connect. I don't know. I mean to me, there
are a rim protector away from being a championship team.
Rachel Nichols on the show yesterday talking about this deal again.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
There wasn't a feeling prior to this trade that the
Lakers were headed to the Western Conference finals, and now
you can make that case.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
I think there's a lane there.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
I still wouldn't call them the favorite in the West,
but I definitely think it's going to be interesting.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
And just that.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Idea that if they wanted to, the Lakers could play
either Luca or for forty eight straight minutes often both
of them is crazy.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Yeah, it's more than that. Lakers lebron Luca again Game
two together, this time in Salt Lake. So uh, you know,
super Bowls always resonate. One thing we do know in
the last decade, if you lose a Super Bowl, no
matter how good your quarterback is, there's only one exception,
(05:26):
and that was the Patriots. Once that you go back
and you crush again. Everybody pulls back if they lose
a Super Bowl. They get to the Super Bowl, they lose,
they don't get back. It's just the way it is.
And Travis Kelcey was on his podcast with his brother,
and you know, he kind of disappeared last couple of games.
He has been their number one target last three four
(05:47):
years or longer, and he's just a very important person.
He blocks, he's tough, the physicality, the temperament. But it
may be time to quit retire.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
I know everybody wants to know whether out on play
next year and right now, I'm just kicking everything down
the road. I'm kicking every can I can down the road,
and I'm not making any crazy decisions. The fact that
we keep going to these AFC Championships and these Super Bowls,
and that means I'm playing the extra three games more
than everybody else in the in the entire league. And
(06:18):
that's a lot of wear and tear on your body,
and it's a lot of time spent in the building.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Yeah, we've said this about Lebron. Lebron's played over three
full seasons of just playoff games. You start looking at
Travis Kelcey in the last seven years, he's played another
season of NFL football for playoff games. And we ask
our tight ends the block often the best athlete on
the other side of the field. So let's be honest
(06:43):
about Kansas City's offense. Remember when Tom Brady got to
the end of New England and there was that piece
of video him screaming. It was a maybe I've been
a Thursday night game or a Sunday night game. He's
screaming at his wide receivers. Somebody get open. But New
England was unable because they were other players, including Brady
and they didn't draft wide receivers well. So if you
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really are honest about Kansas City, in the last three years,
they've kind of been patchwork on offense. I mean, all
five Super Bowl trips have had five different left tackles.
They've never had a great left tackle. Patchwork. The wide
receivers in the last three Super Bowls, Richie James, McCole, Hardman,
Sky Moore, Kadarius Tony, Marquis Valden, Scandling here kind of
(07:25):
bounce around the NFL guys, that's all they are. They
don't have a ton of stability at running back. I mean,
we're doing Kareem Hunt again. Isaiah Pacheco is a great story.
Is he a great player? Clyde Edwards Hilaire was a bust.
There are warning signs here now. Some of it is
Mahomes is super expensive, Travis Kelsey super expensive, Chris Jones
super expensive. They have a very good GM and they
(07:47):
draft well. But if you remember in the end Tom
Brady in New England, Tom Brady was sort of holding
that offense up with duct tape. And after I'm watching
that game against Philadelphia and the game again, it's only Buffalo.
They always score thirty five points or more. You start
looking Buffalo's defense. The top corner was out. We don't
(08:08):
consider it an elite defense. We don't we consider the
offense with Josh Allen and James Cook and Kincaid. That's
the part of the Bills that is elite. You just
start looking at this team when they played good defenses
like Houston and Philadelphia. They got a bunch of b dudes.
It's the Brady Patriots at the end. You're just holding
it together. It's patchwork guys everywhere. And again, I'll go
(08:31):
to the Super Bowl runner up. Since twenty fourteen Patriots
won the Super Bowl, you've got four different teams missed
the playoffs. You got teams losing wild card and divisional
round stuff. So I think it's pretty clear. And when
you draft thirty first in a very very weak draft,
(08:52):
where draft people who I lean on say there are twelve,
maybe thirteen max elite first round players, Kansas City's getting
none of them. And they need one at left tackle,
they need another one at tight end, they need another
one at running back, and by the way, they need
another interior offensive lineman. They gotta spend some time in
(09:12):
capital on that offensive line that got pushed around for
four hours against Philadelphia. So my take on Travis Kelsey
has been this is the perfect time for a clean break.
He's got tons of money, lots of options, and I
think one of the mistakes basketball football teams do is
they cling to the end. You could say, well, what
(09:32):
about Lebron. Lebron's still elite. Lebron's still a top seven
player in the league. There are nights he's a top
pre player in the league. There's knights that he's the
best player in the NBA still depending on the schedule.
So to me, this feels like it's time for a
clean break. He's expensive, he's a tight end. This is
a good tight end draft. If they were gonna move
up and be aggressive outside of left tackle, it'd be
(09:53):
for tight end. But J Mack, when you lose those
Super Bowls and you lose the way they did, it
is interesting. It does change your opinion on stuff. Now
you called it, you said it was going to be
a D line rolling over Kansas City. I did not.
But it's funny two or three days later, you know
it sounds like, oh, it's kind of a recency bias.
(10:14):
But when you lose like that. It does change your
opinion on a lot of things.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
You know, there's a clip of Travis Kelce. You're right
right around the forty eight yard line near midfield, and
he runs a little bit of the pass pattern and
then just sits at the forty eight yard line because
he saw a flag like, does not engage in the
rest of the play and Chiefs fans are kind of
ticked off online. Patrick Mahons is scrambling for his life
and Travis Kelce's literally just standing there. And Colin, I
(10:40):
know this isn't right to say, but do you think
the Chiefs quit a little bit in the Super Bowl
when they were down twenty four to nothing.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Oh, the body language wasn't good. They started making really
dumb mistakes lining up off sides. Yeah, I think. You know,
this is something else that the pressure of being number one.
I remember listening to a baseball general manager fifteen years
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ago and he said, what you don't realize. He was
talking about the Yankees. This was like fifteen when I
lived on the East Coast. He said, what people don't
realize about the Yankees because they're good every year in
the playoffs. Every year you are taxing your bullpen. You're
taxing your starters. It's an unnatural act to throw a
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ball ninety five miles an hour. He goes, these pitchers
go into spring and you got to ramp it up again.
He's like, we're playing twenty five more games than everybody
else and they're intense national TV, high leverage situations. Now
in football, you don't have an unnatural act. But you
have to remember when you're going to Super Bowls year
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after year after year like the Patriots are doing, it
beats up on your team. That's a tight end over
the course of six years being tackled another one hundred times.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
Okay, but hold on, Colin. Remember they didn't play their
starters week EIGHTEAM. Then they had to buy It was
like three weeks for Travis Kelcey and he had a
good game against the Texans, but then played that they
had to play the next week, did nothing against the Bills,
got the bye week before the Super Bowl, and did
nothing in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
It looked like all the energy they had. You know,
we always think Buffalo never beats Kansas City. They actually
did two weeks earlier. Is that all the Chiefs energy
went to beat Buffalo that's fair. They played a great game,
they emptied the tank and they had nothing left. So
let me ask Cooper Cup and the Rams are going
to be parting ways. Cooper Cup, you know injuries.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Wear and tear, not really deliberate expense.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
The Chiefs go that route with Travis kelce If you're
if you're moving off Kelsey, you're saving money. Why would
you bring in an older injury.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
I don't mean bring in Cooper Cup. I just meant
the way the Rams are moving off of him. Do
the Chiefs say, hey, Travis, thank you for your service.
Oh yeah, but that's it's a rap.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
I think it is a rap. And that's okay. I
think it's a rap. This is not the NBA where
players control all those personnel decisions. I think it's a wrap.
By the way, it's it's folks, We've all got eyes,
we're all watching it. We're watching what's happening. It's the
reality with Travis is it's been a remarkable career. But
tight ends don't last forever. They're not quarterbacks, they're not kickers.
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This stuff ends quickly. I mean Travis Kelcey last year
acknowledged he'd had ten surgeries.
Speaker 5 (13:23):
Yeah, so they could look a lot different next year
with no Travis Kelce.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Holy So I saw something yesterday that is I don't understand.
I got an Aaron Rodgers story, I got a Kevin
Durant story. But man, I saw a quote yesterday.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Do we all.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Understand what is happening to the biggest brand in America?
And we'll talk about that.
Speaker 6 (13:47):
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Speaker 1 (13:58):
Greg Cosal of our Number two. I was thinking about
something the other day. You get into these moments, it
never feels like what I'm about to say is true.
Is half the biggest brands in sports are hitting. Half
the biggest brands in America are hitting, and then half
are reeling or rebuilding or remodeling or rebooting. And I
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was just thinking about the biggest brands in sports, and
let's just take a second to think about so like,
if you go to Major League Baseball, you know the
biggest brands Yankees and Dodgers. So I mean the Yankees
just bringing in Paul Goldsmith, Cody Bellinger, Max Freed, they
just got to a World Series for the first since
two thousand and nine. They didn't get Soto, but they
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upgraded their pitching Dodgers. Meanwhile, I just I was looking
at Jim Bowden article this morning. He thinks the Dodgers
are the most improved team in the league and they
just won a World Series. They have added all throughout
their pitching staff. So the two biggest brands, the Yankees
and the Dodgers, are humming in Major leig baseball. Let's
go to the NBA. Listen, the Luca trade is an
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unbelievable reboot for the Lakers, and the Celtics are the
best team in basketball. Golass the Knicks that have been
run over steamrolled by him twice this year. But I
would also put the Knicks as the third biggest brand.
Forbes says it's the most valuable and this is the
best Knicks team since nineteen ninety seven. And I like
the team. I don't think they can beat Boston. I
think they can beat everybody else in the league. So
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Boston Lakers, Knicks very very strong. Let's go to college football,
very popular. Sport Ohio State just won to Natty. Michigan
won the year before Notre Dame in Texas are exceptional
to me. Those are the four biggest brands in college football.
BAM is big in the South, not as big nationally.
It's Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame in Texas. They are
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all hummon. Michigan pulled back last year, landed the number
one quarterback in the country. They'll be good again and
this year I think are they hosting Ohio State this
year instead of going on the road. I don't know,
but they'll be very, very good. Let's go to college basketball.
Last fifteen years, Yukon and do Duke's got the number
one player Yukon back to back titles. I mean, even
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non sports, if you look at stock prices, the three
biggest brands to be in the in the nation, you
can argue just the biggest brands in the country, Apple, Amazon,
Coca Cola up year over year and those are about
as big a brands as you have in America Coke, Apple,
and Amazon. I mean, the only thing that's appears to
be missing. Let me think about this. Oh, the Dallas
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Cowboys are awful. They are the only big, huge, massive
brand in America that is awful, and they just had
they just hired a coach and they've dumped it on
a Friday news dump. And Dak Prescott said this yesterday
at UH what do they say? The best problem, best
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way to correct a problem is to acknowledge you have
a problem. So Stephen Jones about a month ago said drought.
Remember he put it in quotes, drought like we're having
a drought, spens, it's a drought. Jerry Jones said over
the weekend, Hey, we could have been here and Dak
Prescott talking about the Eagles and the Super Bowl going forward.
Speaker 7 (17:09):
I'm not feel like we compete with the Eagles and
beat them for the most part, and that we've played them.
I don't want to say, check the record one that
the guy's holding the trophy right now, so they're credit
to them. They've learned and they deserved it by all means.
But yeah, very close.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Okay, not quite acknowledging the issue. Could we think we
can stack up with Philadelphia? You got two guys who
could play ceede Lamb and Micah. I'm not sure anybody
else gets on the field, and I'm dead serious. Zach
Martin maybe, but I'm not sure. The Cowboys have two starters,
two that start for Philadelphia and Phillies players. Many of
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the best ones are like rookies in the second year guys,
they're getting better. So I was thinking about this for
the record. It also shows you how powerful the NFL is.
They just got one hundred and twenty seven million people
to watch the Game of record, and Dallas is in
the toilet. But I told the staff this morning, if
you just went to the NFC, forget the Ravens, forget Harbond,
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the Chargers, forget the Chiefs, forget Buffalo, forget those teams. Houston,
Let's just go to the NFC. If you told me
next year the top ten teams in the NFC, I
don't have Dallas in that. I think Philadelphia easily the
best roster, Detroit second best roster, Aiden Hutchinson coming back.
Rams aren't missing on draft picks of Stafford's days. They
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Green Bay and Washington with Jayden Daniels are a handful.
The Niners will figure it out when Christian McCaffrey gets healthy.
I don't think they're a top three or four team,
but they'll get better. Minnesota and Seattle have too many
good players, and I think I think Baker's better than DAK.
I'll put them nine, and I do think Ben Johnson
in Chicago's roster will make noise. I don't know if
their playoff team. Dallas is not in the same class
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as Philadelphia, and from what I've seen with Jayden Daniels,
they're not close to Washington. So if Shador Sanders landed
with the Giant, I'm not so sure Dallas isn't a
fourth place team. So yesterday, as some sort of a joke,
I said the dynasty was dead in Kansas City, I
had a little tombstone. Let's be honest, we have a
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real tombstone. Go ahead, but we can show the real tombstone.
It's over. It's the last brand in American sports, I
mean huge brand that is in the toilet, and it's
not close Dak's second surgery. DAK is going to be
the biggest salary cap hit in league history next year
unless Jerry, who from what we can tell, is tapped,
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figures out a way to pay some of it. Early
Jmack with the.
Speaker 6 (19:42):
News, this is the Herdline News.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
It's amazing all the brands in this country, the big ones. Yeah,
I mean so all the big sports brands.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
It's been quite a fall for Dallas.
Speaker 5 (19:56):
And let's start with another franchise that had a fall,
and that's the forty nine. They pulled back after going
to the Super Bowl, missed the playoffs, finished six and eleven.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
They can blame injuries.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
They don't have a completely n f GM, but heading
into the offseason, owner Jed York is confident in the
brain trust of their GM and head coach, saying there's
no one I respect more and trust more than Lynch
and Shanahan to get us back on track. Obviously, those
two have to navigate this Brock Purty deal and Colin listen,
there's a world where guys like Sam Darnold, Kirk Cousins,
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Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson, Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
There's a lot of guy quarterbacks on the market.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
I don't know if they're definitely gonna say, Brock, we're
not paying you. We're gonna we're gonna roll the dice
with Sam Darnold for two years.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
This is gonna come down to Brock Purdy and his agent.
If they are willing to accept a Daniel Jones contract,
then I think he's the quarterback. If they try to
argue they deserve a dack contract. You have to move on.
This is not, by the way brock Purty and his
agent think they have leverage. No, they don't. Well, next
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year is a very good quarterback draft out of college.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
Timeout, But you've got to be awful to get one
of the good quarterbacks. The forty nine ers aren't going
to fall off the map.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Right will they they?
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Well, do you have to be awful or do you
have to be average? Draft about fourteenth? Give away a
couple of picks to get your guy.
Speaker 5 (21:19):
I don't like moving up. The Bryce Young deal soured
me on trading. I remembers a lot of these quarterbacks.
Mahomes went ten, Josh Allen didn't go number one. You
start look at where did Justin Herbert go? Where did
Jalen Hurts go?
Speaker 1 (21:30):
The idea that all the best quarterbacks go in the
top five is simply not true.
Speaker 5 (21:34):
Okay, fair, but I guess the pushback would be there
is looking at the landscape, only a handful of good
quarterbacks in this league.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
You could argue right now that twelve team zeed quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
But the team, now that's an interesting topic. So over
the last I think it's six to eight years We've
had three different college drafts that have produced at least
four franchise quarterbacks. Now, remember you and I grew up
where everybody always talked about that one draft that at
elwayn Marino eighty three. We've had three of those doubled
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in the last six seven years. Quarterback play is much
better in high school in college. So next year is
another year projected for four to five first round quarterback.
This is a week year. Next year's back to four
to five first round quarterbacks. Somebody's gonna go one, somebody
will probably go three, somebody will go eight, somebody will
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go thirteen. Remember where did Michael just start looking around
with these quarterbacks? Bow Knicks first year? What did he get?
Drafted twelve or thirteen? So Lamar Jackson late first round,
Patrick Mahomes ten. If you finish middle of the pack
in the NFL next year the following draft, you will
get a first round.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
Quarterback one of those. I just listened to the three
names you shot out. It was Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, and
Bo Nicks. So the coaches Sean Payton, Andy Reid, Yes,
and John Harbor.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
I have three winning franchise.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
A Hill smart Well, San Francisco's got Kyle Shanahan.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
They do. But I thought you were out on him.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
No, I'm not out on him, all right. I am
out on this franchise. If you're trying to convince me,
brock Purty is a sixty million dollar quarterback, you know,
J Mack. There's a lot of things I like. I
bought a car six months ago. I liked it for
the price. Okay, cay, if i'd have paid double what
I paid for my average A nice car, not spectacular,
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I liked it for the price. Everything's got a price.
About six quarterbacks all pay top dollar. That's about it.
Everybody else I'm looking for value.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
How do you think rock Perty feels about that?
Speaker 1 (23:36):
I'm not concerned a seventh round pick. He'll carry your
franchise quarterback if you make forty million a year from
a small town in Arizona and you're the last guy picked.
Sometimes in life, don't don't try to get happier than happy.
He's in a great spot. He inherited, he inherited, Trent Williams,
Christian McCaffrey, George Kittle, Kyle Shanahan, a world class organization. Oh,
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he didn't get paid his first contract. That's your problem.
You make forty million for four years, you'll never work again. Sorry.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
But even though he sees his peer liked, how.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
Would you feel if Sam Darnald got a bigger contract
than him?
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Sam Donald's first round quarterback? Who cares?
Speaker 3 (24:15):
That was like eight years ago.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Bigger, stronger, more athletic. Doesn't struggle when it When it.
Speaker 5 (24:20):
Struggle with it matters except Week eighteen in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Doesn't scial rock Perty dominated last year? He was great
in the playoffs, coming fired up, drizzles.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Little disrespectful for my guy, rock Perty. I was cap
up for him. I think we're going to revisit this
at some point, all right. Next story, Colin is.
Speaker 5 (24:37):
The Green Bay Packers have made the playoffs in both
seasons with Jordan Love starting under center, but they still
don't have a true number one target.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Now.
Speaker 5 (24:45):
We heard Josh Jacobs last week say, hey, we could
use a number one receiver. Now, Jordan Love was asked
about adding a veteran like a DeVante Adams, and here's
what he had to say.
Speaker 8 (24:56):
You see it every week. I mean to play make
an ability that he has when I was with him.
I don't think I mean he might have dropped three
passes in the years that I saw him. So he's
just a phenomenal receiver. You know, create so much separation
off the line, and you know that's that's his game.
When you add those good players, you know, it's only
going to help our offense.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
I think.
Speaker 8 (25:15):
And it's got to be the right guys, you know,
the right fit for the group we have. And you
know it's all about the mindset. You want guys that's
gonna come in and want to win it and want
to you know, push the envelope and do all the
extra things.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Yeah, I think that's overrated.
Speaker 5 (25:29):
What's going on in that lockerow? I don't two people
from the offense though, calling out the wide receivers basically.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Well, Christian Watson is a little fragile, always hurt. But
everybody else maybe they're young, little immature.
Speaker 5 (25:40):
Dobs had the moment where he did not how to
not get the ball and like got suspended, immature. Jaden
Reid is awesome but doesn't show up every game, or
maybe he could be skied out.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
I don't have a problem going and buying like like
T Higgins could fit. I don't think you have to
spend a fortune, And again I like T Higgins depending
on the price point. He's not a dominant player. He's
a really good player when Jamar Chase is doubled. When
Jamar Chase is doubled, and you get the second best corner.
And very few teams outside the Jets have two great corners.
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So T Higginsway's face is the second best corner. Now
you go to Green Bay. Oh, We're putting the best
corner on you. It's a whole different ballgame. So you huh,
I like T Higgins, Like I like my car. What's
the price Jamar Chase, I'll break the bank, justin Jefferson,
Mike Evans, I'll spend whatever. It's different sounds like.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
So that's two stories here. Somebody's trying to go a
little frugal.
Speaker 5 (26:35):
Doesn't want to pay the players, the coastal elite coward
does not want to pay the quarterback of the receiver.
Final story is the NBA Collins listen man, look at
this highlight ryer Joellebee game on the line.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Passes up and open three fumbles it in the look
at this What is he doing?
Speaker 1 (26:51):
By the way, what is he doing in the perimeter.
You're off the base game.
Speaker 5 (26:55):
He's off now he doesn't want to end. He said
he needs another surgery. Cod This is he got boot
off the shit the seconds left. Philly ended up losing
to Low Lei Toronto Raptors were like tanking basically. Now
it seems like they're gonna try to make the play in.
The Sixers are a season worse, thirteen games under five hundred.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Yep. When you pander the players and they have injuries, egos,
this is what you get. Nobody to blame but Philadelphia
Embiid's been an issue for years. I don't know how.
You watch the Olympics and watch how he struggled to
fit in with the world's greatest players and came out
of that Olympics thinking I really like this guy. This
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is the future of the franchise. That was a cautionary tale.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
You remember when he went all into the MVP Award.
Remember that he was like, I gotta get the MVV.
He got it. He has not been the same player since. Man,
he's constantly hurt.
Speaker 5 (27:46):
It's like he went put all his energies into winning
a freaking MVP award. He has still never been to
a conference finals. It's not happening this.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Has he ever won a second playoff round? Has he
ever won in one season a second player?
Speaker 3 (27:58):
I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
No. And by the way, if you look, here's the
thing about Philadelphia, it's all ego and nonsense. When I
look at the Knicks, or I look at the Celtics,
or I look at Cleveland, I just don't sense anything
other than chemistry winning. Those teams are well built cams,
Nick Celtics. I don't see any disruptions. I don't see
any variants outside of go to work, play hard, d
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up every night. All three of those teams will d
you up.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
So let me ask you better career Anthony Davis or
Joelle and Anthony Davis easily just making sure.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Here's a lot of embid fan boys out there.
Speaker 5 (28:34):
And Colin, here's the thing. Ain't nobody trading for this guy? Okay,
he's gonna have a surgery in the offseason. I don't
know what the market value of Paul George is. I
feel a little bad for your boy, Tyrese Maxey, who
they got locked up last night by the Raptors. But
I mean he's having a good season. You watched the
Knicks last night, They got a nice win. Yeah, yeah,
over the Pacers. I watch you check it out NBA.
Did you watch any got.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
A flat tire? So I sat in a car dealership
for an hour watching the next win.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Oh wow, flat tire.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Hey, I could have done it my on the four
and five.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
When was the last time you changed a tire?
Speaker 1 (29:03):
I'm gonna get into that.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Yeah, that's what I thought.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
When's the last time I considered doing it? You know what?
Speaker 5 (29:10):
Years you got a call Triple A, They'll come and
fix your flat tire and heartfeat.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
I just pulled into a dealership and I watched, and
I wasn't happy about it until they were a great dealership,
totally took care. They were really nice people.
Speaker 5 (29:21):
Well they probably saw like, oh there's a famous guy
with a flat tire autograph.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
I saw a schmuck who was a sad dog walking
into the dealership. But I sat on the good news
is I mean? I had a I had a cappuccino
and I sat and watching forty five minutes of the
Nixon Pacers.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
It was great cigar last night to celebrate the flat tire.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
No, I didn't have anything to celebrate it. J Mack
with the News, Well, that's.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
The news, and thanks for stopping by.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
It was actually funny. I called a dealership. I said, I, so,
I'm I'm for two days. I've been stopping off at
every gas station putting air in my tire and it
just doesn't hold. And so I finally called him and
I said, I'm driving up on Thursday. I got a
long drive third day and crappy weather. Can I get
a new tire? And the lady says, you can get
here in thirty minutes before we close. I got in
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my car and I'm not joking LA rush Hour. I
think I hit a dozen straight green lights. It hit
a dozen streets. I got in there and there was
about five minutes to go before they closed the doors,
and it was like, you know what, there's an angel
over me tonight I can be changing this puppy. On
the four oh five, I got lucky, watched the Knicks
had a cafe clutch a cappuccino. It was clutch. Yeah,
(30:29):
it was clutch boy. What a cautionary tale for an
NFL team that next live in La The Herd.
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Speaker 1 (31:55):
That was a story yesterday. We didn't spend a ton
of time on it, but basically, Aaron Glenn is the
new coach of the New York Jets, and Aaron Glenn
went to Aaron Rodgers and said, listen, you have to
show up to training camp and you got to be
their mandatory practices, off season stuff even before camp starts,
and you can't be on anybody's show and making weekly appearances,
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which I don't think that big of a deal, but
you know, Aaron Glenn does not want the distraction. And
I think my wife said, when we were, you know,
our kids were younger, were raising kids, he always had
a great saying, is that as a parent, be a
great example or a horrible warning. They both work. There's
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a lot of teams that now will look at the
Philadelphia Eagles and say, wow, that's how you build a team.
But part of building a pro football team is not
making a disastrous decision out of desperation and acquiring a
quarterback out of desperation, which is what the Jets did,
never ends well. You could say, what about New England
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Tom Brady went to town Tampa was not desperate. They
were a five hundred team. They had a very good roster,
they have a great GM, they had continuity, but Jamis
was mistake prone, so they upgraded at quarterback. They weren't desperate.
They were a five hundred team. What about the Rams
with Stafford? They weren't desperate. Golf got to a Super Bowl,
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was forty two and twenty. They wanted to upgrade. Three
teams in the last couple of years were desperate at
quarterback and went and got a big name Denver with
Russell Wilson, Cleveland with Deshaun Watson, and the Jets with
Aaron Rodgers, and all three were an abject disaster. And
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here's one of the things I was thinking about this
this morning, and the hidden danger to being desperate is
not just the draft capital you give up, but that
the star quarterback knows you're desperate. What did Russell Wilson
do in Denver? Hey, let me get my own office, cringy, No,
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he never did that in Seattle. What did Deshaun Watson
do in Cleveland? Knowing he had the Browns over a barrel?
He was once cleared to playing a game and He's like, yeah,
I know, but I just don't feel like it. And
then there was Aaron Rodgers. I want you guys to
sign Blizard, I want Nat Hackett, I want my buddies
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on the team. And I'm going to go to Egypt
during camp. You know, I went to some of the practices.
I'm going to go to Egypt. Russell, Deshaun, and Aaron
in a position in American sports, quarterback, which is sort
of the glamour position. And I'm not blaming Russell, DeShawn
or Aaron for having an ego. You gotta have one
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to be a pro athlete, especially a quarterback. But when
teams are desperate, the quarterbacks know they are desperate and
they lean into it, and poorly run businesses get into
these spaces. And what's interesting about the Jets now, they
won't be as good at quarterback next year because Aaron
played pretty well down the stretch, but they won't be desperate.
(35:09):
They won't be good at quarterback. They won't be desperate
why because the new GM and coach have a pass
for a year to build a culture. I mean, Dan
Campbell's lines were awful as first year. Secondly, next year's
college quarterback draft, you're gonna have four first round guys.
And the third thing is if the Jets can land
(35:31):
let's say a tight end and a defensive tackle in
this draft, Mason Graham first pick, maybe move up and
get a good tight end. They actually have a playoff roster.
It's actually a really good roster. I like the Jets roster,
didn't like the coach, necessarily, didn't like the ownership group.
But go look at Denver, go look at Cleveland, go
(35:53):
look at the Jets in all three. It's not just
giving up draft capital. That's not just it draft pick
for a sixty to forty to fifty to fifty proposition
to begin with. What it's doing is that quarterback knows
you've got the team over a barrel, and they lean
into it. So I'm gonna throw this out. So J
Mack used to, I'm not sure if he still does,
(36:17):
had a relationship with Kevin Durant. So I love Kevin Durant,
the player I in my lifetime, I believe Kevin Durant
is the greatest catch and shoot player in the history
of the basketball worlds. In fact, I've said before, if
you did an all time one on one tournament, takeout centers,
(36:38):
if you did a one on one tournament, the only
guy that I think beats Michael Jordan is Kevin Durant.
I don't think Michael can stop him. I just think
Kevin Durant is He is a bucket. You can give
him the ball late in the possession. He doesn't need
to set it up. He's an all time talent. But
last night he became the eighth player to score thirty
thousand points, and I think it's interesting. It's a milestone
(37:04):
on an irrelevant team and a loss, and that sort
of sums up his career. But what's amazing is that
everybody loves to bang on coaches in the NBA and
general managers that guy for Dallas is getting crushed. But
I said it at the time, and I was shocked
(37:24):
at the lack of agreement within NBA media. Kevin Durant
tanked his own career. He really did. He was at
the time when he was in Golden State, Kevin Durant
was there were a half the people covering the league
said he was better than Lebron. He was beating Lebron,
(37:45):
he was a better offensive player. He made Steph look small.
He was MVP of finals. The league thought it was twice.
The league thought it was unfair. I mean, Adam Silver
was uncomfortable with how dominant they were, and then he decided,
I want to go play with Kyrie and Brooklyn.
Speaker 9 (38:07):
The hell.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
And I've always felt the difference between Lebron and KD
is not their games. They're both all time great players.
The difference between Lebron and KD is Lebron is more
like a Gordon Ramsey or a Jay Z I'm not
a businessman. I'm a business man, and Kevin Durant is
(38:34):
more the artist who halfway through the tour cancels the tour,
sues ticketmaster and gets into a fistfight with his drummer.
Is like all basketball players because it's the most creative
of our sports. They're all artists. Kobe was an artist,
Michael's an artist. All great basketball scorers, Carmelo's an artist.
(38:57):
I mean, they've all got a different looking shot. There
is nobody that copied the skyhook outside of Jordan. Nobody
played quite like him except Kobe. There is no duplicate
for Larry Birder magic. I've never seen anybody that plays
like him. It's the most artistry. The difference is and
neither are starving artists but one and you see this
a lot bono with you too, Gordon ramsay Jay z
(39:21):
that artist can compartmentalize business in the art and Katie
doesn't like it's just all art. And in the end,
he literally could be a top three to four player
ever and he left. And what the funny thing is,
STEP's about the easiest guy in the world to play with,
and Klay Thompson maybe the second easiest guy start to
play with. And so when he sets that record last night,
(39:43):
he's the eighth player to score thirty thousand, there's a
warm spot in my heart because I think he is
one of the great artists of my lifetime to play basketball.
I love watching him play. I think he would win
a one on one all time basketball tournament. He's one
of the few guys I would pay to watch as
a professional athlete. I think he's a really nice guy.
But I often look at that and I said it
(40:04):
at the time. If Patrick Mahomes in the middle of
the dynasty would have said, you don't want to go
play with my friend Michole Hartman. With the Jets, you'd
be in like, excuse me, you're not leaving Andy Reid.
You're not You're not leaving Travis Kelcey. But in basketball,
because there's so much artistry that we kind of say, like,
(40:24):
hey man, it's just ball. You got to let the
artists perform football, we don't. They're all gladiators, right, they're
all tackling each other. Shorter careers, they beat on each other,
they're wobbling, they're all hurt by like week four. But
so last night he set the record and immediately they
were talking about his future in Phoenix. If you had
(40:45):
your choice in the matter, and it's not under your control,
would you rather just play the rest of your career
in Phoenix?
Speaker 6 (40:55):
Uh?
Speaker 8 (40:55):
Man, I'm We'll focus on Houston tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
Man, we ain't gonna go there right now. Again to
the end, incredibly likable. It's just interesting you go back
when he was with the Warriors. You were probably one
of those saying is he better than Lebron? That was
a real discussion in America. Lebron has always been very
(41:17):
good at manipulating the business side. Again, a lot of
these star chefs, there's a sad ending, a lot of
star musicians sad ending, and then you get Mick Jagger
or Bono or Gordon Ramsay and it's like, yeah, they
get the business side of it. Jay Z gets the
business side of it, and that to me, that's the difference.
Lebron is great at that and Katie is just more artist.
(41:38):
It's about the ball, it's about performing. Depends on the mood.
I know you love him, are you still in a
relationship where you can discuss I.
Speaker 5 (41:46):
Have not dm'd with him lately, but there was a
time when he was a two time finals MVP. He
was the best player in the league.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
I got no disrespect to Lebron. He was I beat him,
had to hit in the finals twice.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
I was arguing at people who were saying that, and
I'm like, but it was a real argument for about
a six year stretch. No, KD is better than Lebron,
and offensively, I do think he's more gifted. I don't
think i'd i'd take I would argue that all day long,
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