October 10, 2024 • 39 mins
Colin gives the Mets credit for turning their season around and who deserves all the credit for making this team into a contender once again
He points out why tonight's 49ers v Seahawks game is huge for Brock Purdy
The Jets have a new offensive coordinator
Some thoughts on the possible trade destinations for Raiders WR Davante Adams
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go. It is a Thursday, and we are
fired up live in Los Angeles. It's The Herd. Wherever
you may be and however you may be listening. Thanks
for making Hou's part of your day. Well say this,
I watched the Mets game and the Yankees game last night.
The Mets are more fun to watch. I'm just telling you,
they're more fun to watch. I know the Yankees have
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the bigger brand, but when Steve Cohen took them over,
we bought the team. It's like, we're not gonna be
second fiddle anymore. Mets dous the Phillies, who was the
best team in baseball early the season. I don't know.
I gotta be honest. You don't have to like him,
but as the kids say, we got to put some
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respect on that name.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
What was the freezer use yesterday, I.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Stand on business. The New York Mets are standing on
business now.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Respect on my Okay, okay, all right, Coward's Field.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
All right, we gotta be honest about it. The Mets
have gone from a great story to a great team
since June. Most wins, best record in baseball, number one
run differential, and just we're a buzz saw through the Phillies.
Let's give you the highlight, Francisco Lindor, the Grand Slam.
Here it is.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
The two one Lindor.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
To's like centerfield, this runs patch, it is gone, good
slad and the door. What's the Mets on top? The
biggest swing of the season for New York?
Speaker 1 (01:58):
All right, that was Steve Cohen's first big get, the billionaire.
He took some big swings. But here's the key. He
didn't get stubborn when they were a mess last year.
They spent all that money, they were a mess, and
so Steve Cohen said, all right, Max Scherzer, we took
a swing. It didn't work. Justin Verlander, who was coming
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off a cy young season, you get the move. But
Steve Cohen didn't get stubborn. He didn't double down. He pivoted.
He moved off him, got some prospects, that's the way
to do it. What he's become is a much better
version of Steve Balmer of the Clippers, who remains bizarrely
loyal to Kawhi Leonard, who's never healthy, not reliable, not
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a team leader, and frankly is a little odd. Lindor's
everything great kind of quiet, doesn't taunt and but it
goes to Steve Cohen when he bought the team. This
was the goal. There's a difference between impulsive. You see
that with a Jets ownership. All these guys are rich
and progressive and smart. Again, Scherzer and Verlander were celebrated
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when they bought him over, and they should have been. Again,
Verlander saw young shrs Aer, big money pitcher, but it
didn't work. They weren't healthy. They let him go and
by the way, I think both got beat up this
year and injured. So they were right. But what they
didn't do. Steve Cohen wasn't stubborn. He's the perfect owner.
He's got a lot of money, he got great capital,
he's super passionate, huge met fan, and he's not stubborn.
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He's not trying to justify his moves. He takes big swings.
And you know, if you take big swings. We know
this about home run hitters, they strike out a lot.
All right, you got another at bat in an hour.
Get ready, don't turn one interception to two. Get ready,
get over it. Pivot. And there was an interesting comment
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it was Aaron Fox after the game about Steve Cohen
when he took over by a member of this team.
Speaker 5 (03:56):
I've been up here at the Big least since sixteen.
And as you know, Derek, the Mets, you know, we're
kind of thought of is like the other team in
New York. And you know, when Steve bought this team,
he had a team a dinner where he took us
all individually and took time to have a dinner with
us individually, and said, how can we make this a
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world class cloak? How can we change the narrative on
the New York Mets and make them not just the
other team in New York but the team.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
We wanted to.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
Get it done right here, right from the top to
the bottom. And I'm so glad that we were able
to do that for metsination.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Yeah, the Mets last night went from what was a
great story, but if you look since June. They're a
great team and they're a great example of how to
stand on business. Take big swings, don't justify him, pivot
if you have to. Ferlander and Suser weren't bad moves.
It didn't work out and the team was a mess
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last year and now this year they're magic. That's how
to run a business, not the way the Jets do
cross down. So tonight is actually a big Thursday night game,
and you wouldn't think so. It's just San Francisco Seattle
or not even a third through the season. But brock
Purty this year completion percentage is worse than Will Levis.
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His touchdowns are lower than Justin Field's, and his giveaways
double Daniel Jones. He has regressed to the mean. And
what's concerning is he's only missing one piece, Christian McCaffrey.
And by the way, the backup running back to Christian
McCaffrey's actually pretty good. They're missing one piece. So basically,
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unless everything is perfect, he's a guy. Well that's the opposite.
Every stockbroker, every day trader bro is brilliant when the
earnings reports are good. What happens when they're not? You
lose all my money. Everybody's good in this league when
they have time to throw and they have a stacked roster,
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they have a lot of quarterbacks win games. That's not
the lead, okay. And remember, once you pay brock Purty
got takeaway some of the toys. Yeah, right now, he's free.
Last guy taken in the draft. He's free. So you
can surround him with an all star team. You don't
get Debo and I, Yuke and Kittle and Trent Williams
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if you have to pay him thirty nine million a year,
forty nine million dollars a year. So tonight really is
a no excuses game for brock Purty. First of all,
Gino Smith is very average at quarterback. The one he's
going up against. It's a big game. Everybody knows it.
No complacency. Seattle is missing three starters on their defense
outside of Christian McCaffrey. All the weapons are there. The
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Niners remain a very good first half team. They should
take a lead and quiet the stadium. And the other
thing is it's a great head coach Kyle Shanahan against
a rookie head coach, and as Ja Mack pointed out yesterday,
rookie head coaches the first time they play on Thursday
night football. It's not good. It's just not good. Here's
the other thing about brock Purty. And I do think
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he's athletic, more athletic than I gave him credit for.
And I think he's fine. I think he's a good quarterback.
But good quarterbacks do not hold trophies. You know, they
get into the playoffs, get bounced in the first round.
That's what good quarterbacks do. And the standard for the
Niners is not the standard for most teams. Only two
teams in this league have a standard of winning a
super Bowl. That's it. Maybe Buffalo, if they get to
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a super Bowl, everybody'll be happy of Buffalo. That's next.
Maybe the Ravens get to a super Bowl. Okay, Lamar
can win, But there's only two organizations in the NFL
that getting to the super Bowl is not enough. Kansas
City and San Francisco both get there all the time.
Even Buffalo and Baltimore. If they get to a super
Bowl lose, you'd be like, it would justify McDermot. Can
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coach can get through the Chiefs. Hey, Lamar can win
playoff games, we can stop talking about that. You'd be okay,
there wouldn't be a victory parade. But to be okay,
San Francisco loses again, Shanahan's in trouble. Honestly, he probably
blew another lead. But this is the thing that does
worry me is that if you look, they call him splits.
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If you look at the forty nine ers offensive splits,
first half, second half, quarter splits. Here's what's worrying. They
are fourth in the NFL offensively in the first half,
twenty second in the second half. Now, why would that
be because the first half is Kyle Shanahan's scripted plays.
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It's not the coach. You keep blaming the coach. It's
not the coach. Once everybody's seen the scripted plays, you
know the second half where Mahomes makes a run to
win a Super Bowl, or Mahomes makes a throw to
beat Garoppolo Jimmy g on script was great, needed a
big throw and the fourth missed it. That's the difference
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between Brady and a lot of guys that couldn't beat him.
Tom was good on script, okay, but the truth was
Tom never had a touchdown. I don't believe in the
Super Bowl first quarter. Ever, Brady was a second half guy.
That's when Tom had seen the defense, had seen the tricks,
had seen their game plan. Then Tom took over the
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game in the second half. Patriots were not a dynamic,
robust first quarter super Bowl team. They didn't drop sevens.
They hit a few threes. So you win super Bowls
in big playoff games off script. You try to take
leads on script, and the Niners continue to take leads
and can't do anything. So, you know, look at it
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this way. With the quarterback, when the GPS gets turned off,
you still got to get his home. Okay, GPS is
turned off, Shanahan's plays off, they're done. You gotta get
a win. You got to get us home when the
GPS gets turned off. And that's the concerning thing. If
you look at the splits about San Francisco. So tonight's
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not just another you know, Pacific Northwest NFC West showdown. No,
it's a big deal. Rock pretty needs to win and
play well. I don't worry about Shanahan, I don't worry
about the stars. I worry about the kid, Julian Edelman
one hour from now A little less. Actually, Greg co Sell,
if you bet football, fantasy football, just love football, get smarter.
Greg co Sell forty five years NFL Films. I gotta
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tell you, I is that last night, so the Dodgers
had a bullpen, it was gonna be a bullpen night.
You just bullpen guys. He gets San Diego's on fire?
Could you bet last night in Vegas? Could you bet
Podreys to get shut out by eight relievers? Because that's
what happened last night. That was nuts.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Can you do more Yankees talk?
Speaker 6 (10:44):
Please?
Speaker 7 (10:45):
That was a riveting win Stanton Monster effort. And I'm
just thrilled my Yankees.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
I will say that the Star is a rough week
for the dead. Mets, you know, are a better story
than the Yankees, and the Mets are more fun to
watch than the Yankees.
Speaker 7 (10:58):
They were at home last night, and that was an
eclectic atmosphere.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Was it not on me?
Speaker 2 (11:03):
He's great shot on the screen.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
You're like, oh my gosh, there's a party.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
It's I find that the Yankees. I I don't know.
You'd have to look at all the numbers. Do they
manufacture runs? I mean, if Judge hits one out or
John Carlos Stang, you know that's fine. But I don't
find the Yankees fascinating to watch. I find there's certain
like I think San Diego they're cocky, they're hungry, they're young.
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Podres are fun to watch. The Mets are fun to watch,
and they're also this thing hanging over the Mets is
their history of letting their fans down. So I mean
one of the more entertaining things to watch is Mets
fans unravel. But the now whoever comes out of the
National League, Mets, Padres, Dodgers, those are fun teams to watch.
I nothing against the Guardians or the Royals, but I
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don't find there's been great Yankee teams to watch. The
Jeter teams were great to watch. There were they had
a mix of stars and like role players. This Yankee
team doesn't move me.
Speaker 7 (11:59):
Are the Yankee He's like a black tie affair. And
the Mets are like a rave or something.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
They're just more fun. And again because they were such
a hot mess last year and because of their history
you find yours and the way they're winning, which is
late game stuff. I just find the Mets more fun
as a television product.
Speaker 7 (12:17):
This would be like if the Jets made the NFL playoffs,
so it would be like, oh my gosh, look at
this excitement.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
They've been a dumpster fire.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
For yeah, but a decade, but the Giants have all
the trophies.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Thanks for reminding me. I forgot about that.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Sorry, I'm just giving the facts over feelings on the show.
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Speaker 1 (12:40):
You're now entering the No Bull Zone sponsored by Credible
Great rates none of the bulls. So this is interesting.
We know Robert Sahl has been fired. Who's to blame?
Blah blah blah. Does anybody care anymore? This is interesting though.
According to The Athletic, they polled ten executives and coaches.
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None of the ten thought Sala should be fired this quickly.
One of them said, the team's good enough to win
the division. Now you're not even focused on Buffalo because
the coach was fired quote. It just doesn't seem well
thought out. Also on the Athletic in the offseason. The preseason,
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they served twenty one coaches and executives about teams that
can underachieve. This is interesting. The Jets finished top three.
The reasons were aging, Rodgers. That's not Sala's fault. Lack
of creativity on offense from Nat Hackett, that's not Sala's guy.
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And in house distractions, you can give him some of
the blame on that. I don't have a problem, certainly,
not all. But the only New York sports team it
feels like in the last eight or nine years that
hasn't underachieved is this year's Mets. Why really rich, strong ownership,
A low profile, super sharp Harvard GM I think they
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got from Milwaukee. Translation upstairs in sports matters a lot
upstairs blame the coach, Blame the blame the coach, Blame
the quarterback. You know who wins a lot, The Miami Heat,
the Boston Celtics, the Dodgers, the Kansas City Chiefs, the
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Baltimore Ravens. Owners, really strong owners executives. I mean think
about this generally as a coach in the NFL, if
you can be in first place, if you win your
next game, historically you're usually safe. Not Robert Salah for
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the record, the Jets defense this year number two in
the NFL. That's solid side of the ball, and they
were brilliant. They were brilliant in the last game. He
was the head coach. Defensively in the last three years,
all under Robert Sala, the Jets have the number one
total defense, not Spags in Kansas City, not Wink Martindale,
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you know, not Demiko Ryans. There's Robert Sala outstanding his
side of the ball, but he wasn't a head coach.
It's funny nobody ever works with the Jets. Maybe it's
the Jets. So last year, this team won seven games
with Zach Wilson, Trevor Simeon and Tim Boyle at quarterback.
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Let's be honest, he should have finished second to Kevin
Stefanski and coach of the year seven games with that
in the AFC. Let's go back to that quote. It
doesn't seem well thought out, you know what, Notre Dame.
When you get onto the field as a player, you
come through the tunnel, you see that sign, play like
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a champion. This is what the Jets should have. As
the players go onto the field. It doesn't seem well
fought out. It never does. Keep blaming the coach. You
got rid of the best coach on your staff. And oh,
by the way, Aaron Rodgers in his last twenty seven
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games with Lafleur and sla Is fourteen and thirteen. The
last time he threw for over three hundred yards was
December of twenty twenty one. In that time, Davis Mills
has done it four times, Zach Wilson's done it three,
Garoppolo four, Desmond Ridder three, Mac Jones three, Aaron since
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twelve twelve, twenty one one time. Maybe it's not Sola,
because it's always the coach. Right, here's the new interim coach, who,
by the way, has now a demoted Nat Hackett switched
to Todd Downing for the play calling.
Speaker 8 (17:03):
We all are familiar with the relationship he has with
Nathaniel and they're they're they're very, very good friends that
go back a long way. So he was he understood
the decision, and he was supportive by the decision. And
I'm unfortunate for that.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
So Aaron's okay with this decision. Matt Hackett, who Sala
wanted to demote, word got out. Sala got the acts
interim guys like, well, you can't fire me. Now I
got it. I'm the only interim guy with leverage in
league history. I'm getting rid of Matt Hackett, which should
have been the move which Sala considered in the off season,
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but was sort of vetoed by you know who. J
Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
No, no, this is the headline news.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Let's go to a positive story.
Speaker 7 (17:53):
The Eagles coming off of by Colin very excited for
their matchup against the Browns. They did have a tough
loss to the Bucks in for but they were banged up, right,
we're talking that up as.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Much a big deal.
Speaker 7 (18:04):
I'm not Hurts, I mean they were missing everybody. Come on,
after that loss, Hurt said he and Sirianni have had
their moments. When asked about how they would get together
and figure things out over the bye, well, yesterday Hurts
talk to the media and address the two linking up
during the bye week.
Speaker 9 (18:19):
We're the two leaders of the team, you know, and
I'm happy and fortunate that, you know, we're able to
come come together in harmony and have the same goal
in mind and trying to get this thing right. I
got a ton of confidence in him, a ton of
confidence of what he brings and everything he's been able
to accomplish. We've experienced different levels of adversity together and
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we're excited for what's to come.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Okay, all right, Because, for the record, if you pulled
me and people today in the NFL, who's the next
coach to get fired? If the Eagles lay an egg
off a bye, you know what a timeout? They better
not if they do, Sirianni's getting fired.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
That's your bold prediction.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Well bold, they wanted to run out two weeks ago.
If they lose, I think if they lay an egg
he's out. Wow, what time out? You're you're a jet guy.
Your guy just got fired after a great performance, Philadelphia.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
How is it a great performance?
Speaker 7 (19:20):
If you lose, you've lost in the Vikings spirited for
you played Casper off in chess and it took him
six hours to beat you.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
That's a great performance by you. I don't know if
he's still living, but you get the point. But my son,
the chess player, is not happy with that kasprov reference. Anyways, Colin,
this you're right. This is a get right spot for
the Eagles. This line tells it it's gonna keep going up.
The Browns are really banged up. I don't think they're
quitting on Stefanski. It looks like there's almost a quiet
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quitting on Deshaun Watson. Yes, and that I don't know
how you fix that if you're Stefanski, the owner kind
of made the bed. And there's a lot of numbers
that say Watson has been one of the worst quarterbacks
in the league this year, like Bryce Young level bad.
So you're right.
Speaker 7 (20:03):
I think the Eagles should win this. I just just
to find like, if they win a close one, is
he in trouble?
Speaker 1 (20:10):
No? No, no, But if they if they go lay
an egg here, offensive coaches with star quarterbacks off of
by getting healthy should not only win but look good
winning against maybe the worst team in the league.
Speaker 7 (20:25):
And we just saw that injury ravaged Washington in the
Eagles division. Just smack, I mean absolutely destroyed the Browns.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Dallas destroyed the Browns. It's a good point.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
The Browns only win is over.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
The Jags, So think about this. Didn't the Giants beat
the Browns and the Cowboys beat the Browns.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
I don't know if the Giants played them.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
I think they did. I watched a couple of weeks ago. Wow,
everybody in their divisions beating the brown You don't think
Jeffrey Lowie if they get tagged by Cleveland, I'm good here, that's.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
A good prediction. We should cut that off just in
case it happens.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
But that's not a It's not even a big take.
Philadelphia fires coach.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
They fired super Bowl winning coaches this early in the season.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
We already got one down.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Well, there's a lot of questions about that firing.
Speaker 7 (21:12):
Remember, Woody Johnson had never fired a coach in season
before ever, and now the new guy comes in and
demotes Hackett.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Why couldn't Sala just do that. Something's going I don't
know what's going on.
Speaker 7 (21:23):
Unlikely the Eagles fire and with a loss here, but
that would be one of your best calls since I
joined the show.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Twenty seven to thirteen. Eagles to eternal running. I'm saying
that's if I do not think what I'm saying is crazy.
This is not the Steelers. The Eagle's history is they
are not impulsive. They move off stuff that's not working quickly.
They don't sit around and talk about it. I respect
that about Philadelphia. That would not firing Sala would be
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was viewed in the league by all these executives at
the athletic as like weird. Okay, if you lay a
stinker and get beat by Cleveland and you pulled the
same executives. They would they would say this, yeah, Sirianni
lost the team. My buddy Dave want Stott always says this.
You can lose games, you can't lose the team if
you get I don't think Sola lost the team. I
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can tell he didn't because I see how hard they
played against Minnesota. He didn't lose the team. Team was
playing their butts off in New York, in London. But
but if you get smoked by Cleveland, you have lost
Jalen Hurts in the offense.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
At home too. That that would be a bad look.
Speaker 7 (22:27):
Next up, let's stay on the East Coast and there's
a huge matchup in Maryland this weekend with Jaden Daniels
and the Commanders heading to Baltimore to take on Lamar
and the Ravens and what's could become a great regional
rivalry at these two quarterbacks. Daniels has made a lot
of big plays running the ball this season. He's got
in comparisons to Lamar, but Jayden doesn't view himself as
a similar quarterback.
Speaker 10 (22:49):
I like when people really like try to compare me
to Lamar and vice versa. You know we're two different players.
Like watching good quarterback play. I'm a fan of his
how he plays the game, how he proaches the game.
But you know, with two different quarterbacks too, and two
different styles, but you know, just like a lot, and
I appreciate what he's done for the sport, what he
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done for the African American quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Yeah, I mean it's stylistically they play a little alike,
you know, because they've been dormant. They've been so bad
for so long nobody and they're in the division with
high profile Dallas in Philadelphia. I don't know if everybody's
already paying attention to what Washington's doing. It is their
numbers as a rookie quarterback. And also Caleb Williams has
taken a lot of a lot of the attention because
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he was USC and this kid is He's literally changed everything.
Their O line, we thought was really average. Looks great.
They're running game, we questioned, looks great. I mean we
went into the season We're like, I don't know if
they can block for him. They looked like the best
old line in the league.
Speaker 7 (23:53):
He's also got this demeanor that's all very tranquil and caught.
He doesn't seem to get rattled even watching him in
the pocket. Man, I don't want to say I missed
on this guy. I thought Drake May was the better prospect.
We'll see what happens with Drake May. But I mean
Daniels has been phenomenal. His numbers this season are actually
better than Lamar's, and Lamar is putting up big numbers.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Now.
Speaker 7 (24:13):
The one number that matters a lot is Lamar's record
against the NFC, which.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
We mentioned all the time.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
That's why it's a stay away game for me.
Speaker 7 (24:21):
Okay, that usually is because teams aren't used to seeing
that kind of level of running quarterback. Well, you know
who Washington sees every day in practice, Jayden Daniels, who
is a running quarterback, and Colin some of these I mean,
you can't just blitz him off the edge, Jaydan Daniels,
he will just dance around the quarterback and scoot for
thirty yards.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Lamar can do that too.
Speaker 7 (24:41):
I think Washington's position to make this an interesting game.
It was seven and then early Arnie on Washington. Now
we'll see what ends up happening.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
I love this game.
Speaker 7 (24:53):
I'm very excited for it, and I will say I
get on your case for WITHFS a lot you did
say Washington in this offseason, and my pushback was there's
too much newness, new quarterback, new coach.
Speaker 5 (25:05):
Grade.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
It has been so last year I took the Rams
as my shocking team. This year it was Washington.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
But you also liked the Rams this year.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Well, but I also like Denver this year.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Oh yeah, well that's still TVD.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
That's not no three game heater. Feels like TBD is
winning right now. Not doa all right final story.
Speaker 7 (25:26):
Let's get to everybody's favorite team, the New York Football Jets.
Speaker 6 (25:29):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (25:30):
They faced the Bills on Monday night, and they faced
Josh Allen, who has had back to back clunkers, I
mean colin completing forty two of his passes in just
one touchdown in losses to the Ravens and.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
The Texans.
Speaker 7 (25:43):
Alan took responsibility for his play and knows that the
improvement starts with him.
Speaker 11 (25:48):
Well, I gotta be better ball placement and again a
couple couple of throws that wish I could add back
this last game. But just making sure that we're on
the same page and it starts with the quarterback. And
that's all met. The group of guys that we have
in this in this room are special. They work hard,
you know, and they're they're smart football players. And I
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got no doubt and I got a lot of trust
in these guys. Josh Allen, you.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Know who he could really use Davante Adams.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
He probably could use Devanta Adams.
Speaker 7 (26:22):
It also should be noted that Monday night game against
Jacksonville where they won what was it like forty two
to ten or whatever it was. Everybody crowded them after
that game. Josh Allen is the man in hindsight that
Jacksonville team is just garbage. And I don't know, do
we know if Buffalo is good color.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
I said this the other day to my friend John Middlecoff.
I said, there's two teams in this league. When the
good version shows up, they can beat anybody, Buffalo and Arizona.
But Buffalo is getting closer to Arizona than they are
to Kansas City. The Bills are becoming Arizona great quarterback,
fun to watch. On their best days. They can beat
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in anybody. We think the Bills are inches from from
Baltimore and Kansas City, No they're not. They're Arizona. The
difference is Josh is going to win that division over
and over in Arizona's in a tougher division with better
quarterbacks and coaches. Excuse, but the truth is this team.
You never have any idea what version you get.
Speaker 7 (27:19):
Just by the way, the Bills needed a massive uphill
climb last year to win the division. And Josh Allen
against the Jets in his last four meetings, he's split.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
He's got five touchdowns, six picks. He has not been great.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
What's right?
Speaker 7 (27:30):
Let's not give the Bills this division yet. Okay, it's
not even close to over.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Yeah, I'm going to give it a wit.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Are you taking Bills in blazing five? No way, are you?
Speaker 11 (27:41):
Now?
Speaker 3 (27:41):
It is two and a half. It was three.
Speaker 7 (27:43):
It's down or two and a half. You know, the
the fired coach bump that happens around.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Quarterback at home. A chaotic, messy week for the team
coming in. Are the Bills on the road? Oh yeah?
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Huge advantage of MetLife for the Jets.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
All right, okay, sure, huge advantage. My bad. Well they're
in New York, you know, yes, not the state.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
A quick bus ride from Buffalo.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Or something like that. Jmack with a news.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by. The
herd Line.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
News so last night had to qualify as a stunning
performance by the Dodgers eighth over the Podrays. So it
was a bullpen game, which you know you do in
the regular season. You see it where you want to
give everybody a rest, so you just go, you know,
inning here, inning here, inning here for a but you know,
six seven relievers. So it's only the second team ever.
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The Dodgers did something, only the second team ever to
throw an eight pitcher shutout, and it was against the Podrays,
a team that doesn't get shut out much, and they
were on fire. So what the Dodgers did last night,
major League Baseball is actually trying to eliminate, which is
like going to your bullpen slows down the game. Kind
of weird bunch of pitchers. Nobody knows that. Major League
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Baseball does not want that. I'm just looking at everybody
pits like an inning, so you know it was maybe
an inning in a third one guy two thirds of
an inning. Dave Roberts couldn't play Freddy Freeman or his
shortstop because of injuries, and you're talking about a bullpen
game with those are nightmares to salvage the season, and
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Dave Roberts is interesting. So he's won eight of nine
division titles, and he probably when he pulls into Dodger
Stadium has to pay for parking. There's never been a
manager that has won this much in the history of
baseball and gets more crap the knock on Dave Roberts.
You know, I'm like everybody else. Sit in the summer.
You watch a baseball game and you watch the reaction
to tois He's not intense. He does not inspire the team.
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I think they're paid well enough to be inspired on
their own. Here's the truth. Though he's thoughtful, he's smart,
he's low key, has a lot very Joe Tory did this.
A lot of stars in the locker room. Not all
of them loved each other. Big market media, this team
gets along. I mean they get along. I mean it's
a joyful team to watch. There's never any major controversies.
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If there are, Trevor Bower, you're out of the organization
or show. Heyo, Tawny. It's more talk than reality. Everybody
likes each other, and that's hard in baseball, where you
have a lot of downtime. One hundred and sixty two games,
two hundred and fifty days together starting in spring training.
But what they did last night is it just doesn't
happen to go through with the hottest team hitting outside
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of the Mets in baseball and you mow through the
lineup with a bunch of guys you've never heard of
outside of Los Angeles pitching an inning. He played a
lot of chess last night, and the key was that
he didn't pitch anybody long enough. They'll all be available
Friday in Game five. So a tip of the cap
to Dave Roberts, who again is just a class guy.
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But this is the way it works. It's like Aaron
Boone's dealing with this. The difference is like Dave Roberts
is like winning the division every year. The only place
he's not exceeding expectations is when he loses to really
good teams in the postseason. And here he is last
night managing a bullpen against the hottest hitting team in
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the National League.
Speaker 6 (31:10):
Overall, the guys were efficient, understanding that you know they're
gonna have to do updowns go a little bit long
and potentially so the efficiency efficiency the strike throne was huge.
And again they just gives us options for Game five
for me to see our guys go through what they've
been through and respond the way they have really makes
you excite about Game five.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Yeah, that was weird watching that game, I thought, and no, listen,
it helps when Mookie, Betts and Otani and you get
the bats going and you play with the lead. But
I mean, we've watched the Mets come from behind and
score light. We've watched the Padres do that, So you're
thinking the whole Even in the fourth, fifth, sixth inning
with the big lead, you're like, Okay, one of these
relievers is not going to hit, and they all hit,
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they all worked, and they're all available for Game five.
So Davonte Adams has narrowed his list to where he's going,
and let's stop talking about the teams and start talking
about Davonte Adams. There's only one choice here. There's only
one choice if you're Davonte Adams. Where to go.
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Speaker 1 (32:32):
Yeah, I was on TikTok till like almost midnight last
night watching some of that devastation. Just frightening, terrifying stuff.
Send our best to everybody in Florida, got friends there,
and just cross your fingers on the cleanup. So I
saw this story this morning. According to the Athletic, Devonte
Adams great player. Why he left the Packers for the Raiders.
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I didn't get it. Aaron Rodgers closer to his prime,
Derek Carr didn't get it. No Chaost Chaos didn't get it.
Now you're in my Holmes division twice a year. Didn't
get it. So, according to the Athletic, the Jets, Saints,
Steelers are interested and the Bills are monitoring it. So
instead of talking about the teams, let's just talk about
the player, the star. How could you even consider the
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other teams if the Bills reached out to you? Saints, Jets, Steelers, Hello,
Josh Allen. So let me give you an example. Because
Davante may may not be Randy Moss or a Calvin Johnson,
but he's really good. Go take Randy Moss as great
as Randy Moss was the year before he was with
Tom Brady the year before, three touchdowns five hundred and
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fifty yards. The year he was with Brady the first year,
twenty three touchdowns, fifteen hundred yards. And it works for
a couple of years, big years, record setting. Then he
leaves and he's bounced around to a couple of teams.
He plays twelve games, he goes back to two tds
in two hundred and fifty yards. That's Randy Moss so
like it's about the quarterback. Like nothing against Derek carneron Ron.
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Hang out with your friends in the off season, go
to dinner on an off day. What are you doing? Look,
do you have an agent representation? Are you asking him?
You go to Josh Allen, You make it happen. I understood,
in fact when he said I'm not interested in New England.
Totally get it. Jacoby Brissett, rookie quarterback, defensive coach. If
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I was a receiver, there are three things I care about.
Number one, who's the quarterback? Number two? Do you have
stability with the coach? I don't want to have to
deal with new coordinators and new people, and you don't
want to be a merry go around like the Jets.
Third thing is do you have a good old line,
specifically left tackle you That's why CJ. Stroud has worked.
They had Laramie Tunzel, good offensive coordinator and stability with
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a head coach. So this to me is Buffalo checks
all the boxes on this. And I mean, listen, the Jets.
Here's something else to think about. The Jets have won
thirty four percent of their games in the last fourteen years.
But I didn't understand when he from Green Bay to
the Raiders. Like I get players leaving for big pay
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raises like Tyreek Hill. He wanted to get paid. Miami's
got better weather than Kansas City. You know. Two, it
was fine. You weren't going to a horrible quarterback from
Patrick Mahomes like I get some of them. But Davonte
went from Aaron who wasn't in his prime at the
end but close to it, to a chaotic organization and
more of a B quarterback now. At the time, Aaron
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at the end was closer to a B quarterback than
anybody wants to acknowledge what he is now, especially since
he hasn't had a three hundred yard game passing since
like December of twenty twenty one. But I just don't
get this. It reminds, you know what, It reminds me
of when Davonte went from Green Bay to the Raiders.
It reminds me of Kevin Durant going from the Warriors
to Brooklyn. You're like, what are you doing? Great leadership,
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great coaching, no chaos, you know, high standards, Steph Curry
to Kyrie, Brooklyn nets second name in town. Like, I
just don't get it. And I mean, here's the utter
thing is that all the teams could use him that
are interested Pittsburgh getting. I mean, when you're that good,
everybody could use you. It's not like the Patriots couldn't
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pick up first downs before Randy Moss. Like everybody could
use Randy Moss. Everybody could use maybe not Minnesota, but
they'd figure out a way to use him. But the
Bill's receivers were twenty sixteen yards so far the season,
so they are desperate for a guy. Last week they
were terrible because they were missing a slot receiver. Like
they don't have a guy yet. So this one, to
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me is just if I'm Devonte Adams, I just tell
my agent make it work, you know, make it work
in Buffalo. Yes, it's cold after Thanksgiving. Congrats on plan
inside in Vegas like they're just And also the Raiders
now now that Dak signed, because there was a strong rumor.
It wasn't even a rumor. I was told that the
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Raiders were gonna look long and hard at Dak if
he became available. Patriots drafted to the quarterback. Raiders don't
really have one, and so there's a chance, you know,
I would say a pretty significant chance the Raiders draft
a quarterback. You have it, like fifty percent of those
guys hit, So this thing may never end. So translation,
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go find a star quarterback. It'll work out. There are
some things in this league just don't overthink it. If
you have a star quarterback, he'll sort of solve everything.
It's the eraser, like Mahomes, We got to rebuild our
own line. We don't have a great receiving corps. Just
just same with Lamar Jackson. They lost three offensive linemen.
They keep winning. Jayden Daniels, c J. Stroud took over Laughingstocks.
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They're Erasers. They just fix everything. So if I'm Devonte Adams,
I'm Jets not interested. I get the buddy buddy thing,
but I just don't. You can't go work at a
company if you're a high profile employee right in the
middle of your prime maybe late prime, but still like
four or five great years left. I'm not working at
a coup but because I have a buddy there. Like,
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you're either competent or you're not. You're greater, you're not.
I'm not there for you know. We can go meet
for coffee down the street after work, all right, Greg Cosell,
top of Next Hour, NFL Films forty five years, Our
Big ten bets later you picture Upset of the week.
There's one every week.
Speaker 10 (38:19):
J Mack.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
We've put the week six schedule up.
Speaker 9 (38:21):
There is it.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
Upset every week? Every stinking week we got an upset.
Speaker 7 (38:25):
It's sad, but I'm kind of warming up to Drake
May and the Patriots pulling off a bit of a chocker. Listen,
remember Malik Willis. Nobody wanted to touch the Packers when
Malik Willis was the starter. Lafleur coached a great game.
I don't know that the Patriots coaching staff is capable
of that. That being said, I just think the Texans
are vulnerable. Have you seen the splits when Stroud is
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a big favorite. He's not good in his career.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
Like it's as small.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
They're also not as good on the road, not as
good on the young quarterbacks can struggle at times away
from home and comfort.
Speaker 7 (38:56):
Don't know about Joe Mixon, Nico Collins out. Just a
lot of things going against the Texans, who, by the way,
are coming off a huge game.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
Against the Bills that was a big emotion. That's like
I let down.
Speaker 7 (39:06):
It's like, oh, remember the Patriots were hosting the Seahawks,
and we all love the Seahawks. Seahawks had to travel,
kind of slept, walk through it and won a close game.
It feels like the Texans probably win this by three
or four, or the Patriots are live to pull the
upset out right, you're buying that?
Speaker 5 (39:21):
Or no?
Speaker 1 (39:23):
I mean Arizona is always a live dog at Green Bay.
Arizona to me is just McBride, Harrison Wilson, Connor, Kyler
has a lot of weapons there. And then Packers are
a little beat up on the offensive side.
Speaker 7 (39:39):
Christian Watson back at practice, you see that a little
bit of a surprise. Romeo Dobbs is apologized, I guess
to the team, Oh he did not a formal apology,
but hey, I'm back.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Guys.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go. It is a Thursday, and we are
fired up live in Los Angeles. It's The Herd. Wherever
you may be and however you may be listening. Thanks
for making Hou's part of your day. Well say this,
I watched the Mets game and the Yankees game last night.
The Mets are more fun to watch. I'm just telling you,
they're more fun to watch. I know the Yankees have
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the bigger brand, but when Steve Cohen took them over,
we bought the team. It's like, we're not gonna be
second fiddle anymore. Mets dous the Phillies, who was the
best team in baseball early the season. I don't know.
I gotta be honest. You don't have to like him,
but as the kids say, we got to put some
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respect on that name.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
What was the freezer use yesterday, I.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Stand on business. The New York Mets are standing on
business now.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Respect on my Okay, okay, all right, Coward's Field.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
All right, we gotta be honest about it. The Mets
have gone from a great story to a great team
since June. Most wins, best record in baseball, number one
run differential, and just we're a buzz saw through the Phillies.
Let's give you the highlight, Francisco Lindor, the Grand Slam.
Here it is.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
The two one Lindor.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
To's like centerfield, this runs patch, it is gone, good
slad and the door. What's the Mets on top? The
biggest swing of the season for New York?
Speaker 1 (01:58):
All right, that was Steve Cohen's first big get, the billionaire.
He took some big swings. But here's the key. He
didn't get stubborn when they were a mess last year.
They spent all that money, they were a mess, and
so Steve Cohen said, all right, Max Scherzer, we took
a swing. It didn't work. Justin Verlander, who was coming
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off a cy young season, you get the move. But
Steve Cohen didn't get stubborn. He didn't double down. He pivoted.
He moved off him, got some prospects, that's the way
to do it. What he's become is a much better
version of Steve Balmer of the Clippers, who remains bizarrely
loyal to Kawhi Leonard, who's never healthy, not reliable, not
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a team leader, and frankly is a little odd. Lindor's
everything great kind of quiet, doesn't taunt and but it
goes to Steve Cohen when he bought the team. This
was the goal. There's a difference between impulsive. You see
that with a Jets ownership. All these guys are rich
and progressive and smart. Again, Scherzer and Verlander were celebrated
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when they bought him over, and they should have been. Again,
Verlander saw young shrs Aer, big money pitcher, but it
didn't work. They weren't healthy. They let him go and
by the way, I think both got beat up this
year and injured. So they were right. But what they
didn't do. Steve Cohen wasn't stubborn. He's the perfect owner.
He's got a lot of money, he got great capital,
he's super passionate, huge met fan, and he's not stubborn.
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He's not trying to justify his moves. He takes big swings.
And you know, if you take big swings. We know
this about home run hitters, they strike out a lot.
All right, you got another at bat in an hour.
Get ready, don't turn one interception to two. Get ready,
get over it. Pivot. And there was an interesting comment
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it was Aaron Fox after the game about Steve Cohen
when he took over by a member of this team.
Speaker 5 (03:56):
I've been up here at the Big least since sixteen.
And as you know, Derek, the Mets, you know, we're
kind of thought of is like the other team in
New York. And you know, when Steve bought this team,
he had a team a dinner where he took us
all individually and took time to have a dinner with
us individually, and said, how can we make this a
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world class cloak? How can we change the narrative on
the New York Mets and make them not just the
other team in New York but the team.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
We wanted to.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
Get it done right here, right from the top to
the bottom. And I'm so glad that we were able
to do that for metsination.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Yeah, the Mets last night went from what was a
great story, but if you look since June. They're a
great team and they're a great example of how to
stand on business. Take big swings, don't justify him, pivot
if you have to. Ferlander and Suser weren't bad moves.
It didn't work out and the team was a mess
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last year and now this year they're magic. That's how
to run a business, not the way the Jets do
cross down. So tonight is actually a big Thursday night game,
and you wouldn't think so. It's just San Francisco Seattle
or not even a third through the season. But brock
Purty this year completion percentage is worse than Will Levis.
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His touchdowns are lower than Justin Field's, and his giveaways
double Daniel Jones. He has regressed to the mean. And
what's concerning is he's only missing one piece, Christian McCaffrey.
And by the way, the backup running back to Christian
McCaffrey's actually pretty good. They're missing one piece. So basically,
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unless everything is perfect, he's a guy. Well that's the opposite.
Every stockbroker, every day trader bro is brilliant when the
earnings reports are good. What happens when they're not? You
lose all my money. Everybody's good in this league when
they have time to throw and they have a stacked roster,
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they have a lot of quarterbacks win games. That's not
the lead, okay. And remember, once you pay brock Purty
got takeaway some of the toys. Yeah, right now, he's free.
Last guy taken in the draft. He's free. So you
can surround him with an all star team. You don't
get Debo and I, Yuke and Kittle and Trent Williams
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if you have to pay him thirty nine million a year,
forty nine million dollars a year. So tonight really is
a no excuses game for brock Purty. First of all,
Gino Smith is very average at quarterback. The one he's
going up against. It's a big game. Everybody knows it.
No complacency. Seattle is missing three starters on their defense
outside of Christian McCaffrey. All the weapons are there. The
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Niners remain a very good first half team. They should
take a lead and quiet the stadium. And the other
thing is it's a great head coach Kyle Shanahan against
a rookie head coach, and as Ja Mack pointed out yesterday,
rookie head coaches the first time they play on Thursday
night football. It's not good. It's just not good. Here's
the other thing about brock Purty. And I do think
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he's athletic, more athletic than I gave him credit for.
And I think he's fine. I think he's a good quarterback.
But good quarterbacks do not hold trophies. You know, they
get into the playoffs, get bounced in the first round.
That's what good quarterbacks do. And the standard for the
Niners is not the standard for most teams. Only two
teams in this league have a standard of winning a
super Bowl. That's it. Maybe Buffalo, if they get to
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a super Bowl, everybody'll be happy of Buffalo. That's next.
Maybe the Ravens get to a super Bowl. Okay, Lamar
can win, But there's only two organizations in the NFL
that getting to the super Bowl is not enough. Kansas
City and San Francisco both get there all the time.
Even Buffalo and Baltimore. If they get to a super
Bowl lose, you'd be like, it would justify McDermot. Can
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coach can get through the Chiefs. Hey, Lamar can win
playoff games, we can stop talking about that. You'd be okay,
there wouldn't be a victory parade. But to be okay,
San Francisco loses again, Shanahan's in trouble. Honestly, he probably
blew another lead. But this is the thing that does
worry me is that if you look, they call him splits.
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If you look at the forty nine ers offensive splits,
first half, second half, quarter splits. Here's what's worrying. They
are fourth in the NFL offensively in the first half,
twenty second in the second half. Now, why would that
be because the first half is Kyle Shanahan's scripted plays.
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It's not the coach. You keep blaming the coach. It's
not the coach. Once everybody's seen the scripted plays, you
know the second half where Mahomes makes a run to
win a Super Bowl, or Mahomes makes a throw to
beat Garoppolo Jimmy g on script was great, needed a
big throw and the fourth missed it. That's the difference
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between Brady and a lot of guys that couldn't beat him.
Tom was good on script, okay, but the truth was
Tom never had a touchdown. I don't believe in the
Super Bowl first quarter. Ever, Brady was a second half guy.
That's when Tom had seen the defense, had seen the tricks,
had seen their game plan. Then Tom took over the
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game in the second half. Patriots were not a dynamic,
robust first quarter super Bowl team. They didn't drop sevens.
They hit a few threes. So you win super Bowls
in big playoff games off script. You try to take
leads on script, and the Niners continue to take leads
and can't do anything. So, you know, look at it
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this way. With the quarterback, when the GPS gets turned off,
you still got to get his home. Okay, GPS is
turned off, Shanahan's plays off, they're done. You gotta get
a win. You got to get us home when the
GPS gets turned off. And that's the concerning thing. If
you look at the splits about San Francisco. So tonight's
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not just another you know, Pacific Northwest NFC West showdown. No,
it's a big deal. Rock pretty needs to win and
play well. I don't worry about Shanahan, I don't worry
about the stars. I worry about the kid, Julian Edelman
one hour from now A little less. Actually, Greg co Sell,
if you bet football, fantasy football, just love football, get smarter.
Greg co Sell forty five years NFL Films. I gotta
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tell you, I is that last night, so the Dodgers
had a bullpen, it was gonna be a bullpen night.
You just bullpen guys. He gets San Diego's on fire?
Could you bet last night in Vegas? Could you bet
Podreys to get shut out by eight relievers? Because that's
what happened last night. That was nuts.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Can you do more Yankees talk?
Speaker 6 (10:44):
Please?
Speaker 7 (10:45):
That was a riveting win Stanton Monster effort. And I'm
just thrilled my Yankees.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
I will say that the Star is a rough week
for the dead. Mets, you know, are a better story
than the Yankees, and the Mets are more fun to
watch than the Yankees.
Speaker 7 (10:58):
They were at home last night, and that was an
eclectic atmosphere.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Was it not on me?
Speaker 2 (11:03):
He's great shot on the screen.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
You're like, oh my gosh, there's a party.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
It's I find that the Yankees. I I don't know.
You'd have to look at all the numbers. Do they
manufacture runs? I mean, if Judge hits one out or
John Carlos Stang, you know that's fine. But I don't
find the Yankees fascinating to watch. I find there's certain
like I think San Diego they're cocky, they're hungry, they're young.
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Podres are fun to watch. The Mets are fun to watch,
and they're also this thing hanging over the Mets is
their history of letting their fans down. So I mean
one of the more entertaining things to watch is Mets
fans unravel. But the now whoever comes out of the
National League, Mets, Padres, Dodgers, those are fun teams to watch.
I nothing against the Guardians or the Royals, but I
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don't find there's been great Yankee teams to watch. The
Jeter teams were great to watch. There were they had
a mix of stars and like role players. This Yankee
team doesn't move me.
Speaker 7 (11:59):
Are the Yankee He's like a black tie affair. And
the Mets are like a rave or something.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
They're just more fun. And again because they were such
a hot mess last year and because of their history
you find yours and the way they're winning, which is
late game stuff. I just find the Mets more fun
as a television product.
Speaker 7 (12:17):
This would be like if the Jets made the NFL playoffs,
so it would be like, oh my gosh, look at
this excitement.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
They've been a dumpster fire.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
For yeah, but a decade, but the Giants have all
the trophies.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Thanks for reminding me. I forgot about that.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Sorry, I'm just giving the facts over feelings on the show.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
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Great rates none of the bulls. So this is interesting.
We know Robert Sahl has been fired. Who's to blame?
Blah blah blah. Does anybody care anymore? This is interesting though.
According to The Athletic, they polled ten executives and coaches.
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None of the ten thought Sala should be fired this quickly.
One of them said, the team's good enough to win
the division. Now you're not even focused on Buffalo because
the coach was fired quote. It just doesn't seem well
thought out. Also on the Athletic in the offseason. The preseason,
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they served twenty one coaches and executives about teams that
can underachieve. This is interesting. The Jets finished top three.
The reasons were aging, Rodgers. That's not Sala's fault. Lack
of creativity on offense from Nat Hackett, that's not Sala's guy.
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And in house distractions, you can give him some of
the blame on that. I don't have a problem, certainly,
not all. But the only New York sports team it
feels like in the last eight or nine years that
hasn't underachieved is this year's Mets. Why really rich, strong ownership,
A low profile, super sharp Harvard GM I think they
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got from Milwaukee. Translation upstairs in sports matters a lot
upstairs blame the coach, Blame the blame the coach, Blame
the quarterback. You know who wins a lot, The Miami Heat,
the Boston Celtics, the Dodgers, the Kansas City Chiefs, the
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Baltimore Ravens. Owners, really strong owners executives. I mean think
about this generally as a coach in the NFL, if
you can be in first place, if you win your
next game, historically you're usually safe. Not Robert Salah for
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the record, the Jets defense this year number two in
the NFL. That's solid side of the ball, and they
were brilliant. They were brilliant in the last game. He
was the head coach. Defensively in the last three years,
all under Robert Sala, the Jets have the number one
total defense, not Spags in Kansas City, not Wink Martindale,
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you know, not Demiko Ryans. There's Robert Sala outstanding his
side of the ball, but he wasn't a head coach.
It's funny nobody ever works with the Jets. Maybe it's
the Jets. So last year, this team won seven games
with Zach Wilson, Trevor Simeon and Tim Boyle at quarterback.
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Let's be honest, he should have finished second to Kevin
Stefanski and coach of the year seven games with that
in the AFC. Let's go back to that quote. It
doesn't seem well thought out, you know what, Notre Dame.
When you get onto the field as a player, you
come through the tunnel, you see that sign, play like
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a champion. This is what the Jets should have. As
the players go onto the field. It doesn't seem well
fought out. It never does. Keep blaming the coach. You
got rid of the best coach on your staff. And oh,
by the way, Aaron Rodgers in his last twenty seven
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games with Lafleur and sla Is fourteen and thirteen. The
last time he threw for over three hundred yards was
December of twenty twenty one. In that time, Davis Mills
has done it four times, Zach Wilson's done it three,
Garoppolo four, Desmond Ridder three, Mac Jones three, Aaron since
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twelve twelve, twenty one one time. Maybe it's not Sola,
because it's always the coach. Right, here's the new interim coach, who,
by the way, has now a demoted Nat Hackett switched
to Todd Downing for the play calling.
Speaker 8 (17:03):
We all are familiar with the relationship he has with
Nathaniel and they're they're they're very, very good friends that
go back a long way. So he was he understood
the decision, and he was supportive by the decision. And
I'm unfortunate for that.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
So Aaron's okay with this decision. Matt Hackett, who Sala
wanted to demote, word got out. Sala got the acts
interim guys like, well, you can't fire me. Now I
got it. I'm the only interim guy with leverage in
league history. I'm getting rid of Matt Hackett, which should
have been the move which Sala considered in the off season,
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but was sort of vetoed by you know who. J
Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
No, no, this is the headline news.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Let's go to a positive story.
Speaker 7 (17:53):
The Eagles coming off of by Colin very excited for
their matchup against the Browns. They did have a tough
loss to the Bucks in for but they were banged up, right,
we're talking that up as.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Much a big deal.
Speaker 7 (18:04):
I'm not Hurts, I mean they were missing everybody. Come on,
after that loss, Hurt said he and Sirianni have had
their moments. When asked about how they would get together
and figure things out over the bye, well, yesterday Hurts
talk to the media and address the two linking up
during the bye week.
Speaker 9 (18:19):
We're the two leaders of the team, you know, and
I'm happy and fortunate that, you know, we're able to
come come together in harmony and have the same goal
in mind and trying to get this thing right. I
got a ton of confidence in him, a ton of
confidence of what he brings and everything he's been able
to accomplish. We've experienced different levels of adversity together and
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we're excited for what's to come.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Okay, all right, Because, for the record, if you pulled
me and people today in the NFL, who's the next
coach to get fired? If the Eagles lay an egg
off a bye, you know what a timeout? They better
not if they do, Sirianni's getting fired.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
That's your bold prediction.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Well bold, they wanted to run out two weeks ago.
If they lose, I think if they lay an egg
he's out. Wow, what time out? You're you're a jet guy.
Your guy just got fired after a great performance, Philadelphia.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
How is it a great performance?
Speaker 7 (19:20):
If you lose, you've lost in the Vikings spirited for
you played Casper off in chess and it took him
six hours to beat you.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
That's a great performance by you. I don't know if
he's still living, but you get the point. But my son,
the chess player, is not happy with that kasprov reference. Anyways, Colin,
this you're right. This is a get right spot for
the Eagles. This line tells it it's gonna keep going up.
The Browns are really banged up. I don't think they're
quitting on Stefanski. It looks like there's almost a quiet
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quitting on Deshaun Watson. Yes, and that I don't know
how you fix that if you're Stefanski, the owner kind
of made the bed. And there's a lot of numbers
that say Watson has been one of the worst quarterbacks
in the league this year, like Bryce Young level bad.
So you're right.
Speaker 7 (20:03):
I think the Eagles should win this. I just just
to find like, if they win a close one, is
he in trouble?
Speaker 1 (20:10):
No? No, no, But if they if they go lay
an egg here, offensive coaches with star quarterbacks off of
by getting healthy should not only win but look good
winning against maybe the worst team in the league.
Speaker 7 (20:25):
And we just saw that injury ravaged Washington in the
Eagles division. Just smack, I mean absolutely destroyed the Browns.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Dallas destroyed the Browns. It's a good point.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
The Browns only win is over.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
The Jags, So think about this. Didn't the Giants beat
the Browns and the Cowboys beat the Browns.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
I don't know if the Giants played them.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
I think they did. I watched a couple of weeks ago. Wow,
everybody in their divisions beating the brown You don't think
Jeffrey Lowie if they get tagged by Cleveland, I'm good here, that's.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
A good prediction. We should cut that off just in
case it happens.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
But that's not a It's not even a big take.
Philadelphia fires coach.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
They fired super Bowl winning coaches this early in the season.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
We already got one down.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Well, there's a lot of questions about that firing.
Speaker 7 (21:12):
Remember, Woody Johnson had never fired a coach in season
before ever, and now the new guy comes in and
demotes Hackett.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Why couldn't Sala just do that. Something's going I don't
know what's going on.
Speaker 7 (21:23):
Unlikely the Eagles fire and with a loss here, but
that would be one of your best calls since I
joined the show.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Twenty seven to thirteen. Eagles to eternal running. I'm saying
that's if I do not think what I'm saying is crazy.
This is not the Steelers. The Eagle's history is they
are not impulsive. They move off stuff that's not working quickly.
They don't sit around and talk about it. I respect
that about Philadelphia. That would not firing Sala would be
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was viewed in the league by all these executives at
the athletic as like weird. Okay, if you lay a
stinker and get beat by Cleveland and you pulled the
same executives. They would they would say this, yeah, Sirianni
lost the team. My buddy Dave want Stott always says this.
You can lose games, you can't lose the team if
you get I don't think Sola lost the team. I
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can tell he didn't because I see how hard they
played against Minnesota. He didn't lose the team. Team was
playing their butts off in New York, in London. But
but if you get smoked by Cleveland, you have lost
Jalen Hurts in the offense.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
At home too. That that would be a bad look.
Speaker 7 (22:27):
Next up, let's stay on the East Coast and there's
a huge matchup in Maryland this weekend with Jaden Daniels
and the Commanders heading to Baltimore to take on Lamar
and the Ravens and what's could become a great regional
rivalry at these two quarterbacks. Daniels has made a lot
of big plays running the ball this season. He's got
in comparisons to Lamar, but Jayden doesn't view himself as
a similar quarterback.
Speaker 10 (22:49):
I like when people really like try to compare me
to Lamar and vice versa. You know we're two different players.
Like watching good quarterback play. I'm a fan of his
how he plays the game, how he proaches the game.
But you know, with two different quarterbacks too, and two
different styles, but you know, just like a lot, and
I appreciate what he's done for the sport, what he
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done for the African American quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Yeah, I mean it's stylistically they play a little alike,
you know, because they've been dormant. They've been so bad
for so long nobody and they're in the division with
high profile Dallas in Philadelphia. I don't know if everybody's
already paying attention to what Washington's doing. It is their
numbers as a rookie quarterback. And also Caleb Williams has
taken a lot of a lot of the attention because
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he was USC and this kid is He's literally changed everything.
Their O line, we thought was really average. Looks great.
They're running game, we questioned, looks great. I mean we
went into the season We're like, I don't know if
they can block for him. They looked like the best
old line in the league.
Speaker 7 (23:53):
He's also got this demeanor that's all very tranquil and caught.
He doesn't seem to get rattled even watching him in
the pocket. Man, I don't want to say I missed
on this guy. I thought Drake May was the better prospect.
We'll see what happens with Drake May. But I mean
Daniels has been phenomenal. His numbers this season are actually
better than Lamar's, and Lamar is putting up big numbers.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Now.
Speaker 7 (24:13):
The one number that matters a lot is Lamar's record
against the NFC, which.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
We mentioned all the time.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
That's why it's a stay away game for me.
Speaker 7 (24:21):
Okay, that usually is because teams aren't used to seeing
that kind of level of running quarterback. Well, you know
who Washington sees every day in practice, Jayden Daniels, who
is a running quarterback, and Colin some of these I mean,
you can't just blitz him off the edge, Jaydan Daniels,
he will just dance around the quarterback and scoot for
thirty yards.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Lamar can do that too.
Speaker 7 (24:41):
I think Washington's position to make this an interesting game.
It was seven and then early Arnie on Washington. Now
we'll see what ends up happening.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
I love this game.
Speaker 7 (24:53):
I'm very excited for it, and I will say I
get on your case for WITHFS a lot you did
say Washington in this offseason, and my pushback was there's
too much newness, new quarterback, new coach.
Speaker 5 (25:05):
Grade.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
It has been so last year I took the Rams
as my shocking team. This year it was Washington.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
But you also liked the Rams this year.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Well, but I also like Denver this year.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Oh yeah, well that's still TVD.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
That's not no three game heater. Feels like TBD is
winning right now. Not doa all right final story.
Speaker 7 (25:26):
Let's get to everybody's favorite team, the New York Football Jets.
Speaker 6 (25:29):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (25:30):
They faced the Bills on Monday night, and they faced
Josh Allen, who has had back to back clunkers, I
mean colin completing forty two of his passes in just
one touchdown in losses to the Ravens and.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
The Texans.
Speaker 7 (25:43):
Alan took responsibility for his play and knows that the
improvement starts with him.
Speaker 11 (25:48):
Well, I gotta be better ball placement and again a
couple couple of throws that wish I could add back
this last game. But just making sure that we're on
the same page and it starts with the quarterback. And
that's all met. The group of guys that we have
in this in this room are special. They work hard,
you know, and they're they're smart football players. And I
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got no doubt and I got a lot of trust
in these guys. Josh Allen, you.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Know who he could really use Davante Adams.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
He probably could use Devanta Adams.
Speaker 7 (26:22):
It also should be noted that Monday night game against
Jacksonville where they won what was it like forty two
to ten or whatever it was. Everybody crowded them after
that game. Josh Allen is the man in hindsight that
Jacksonville team is just garbage. And I don't know, do
we know if Buffalo is good color.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
I said this the other day to my friend John Middlecoff.
I said, there's two teams in this league. When the
good version shows up, they can beat anybody, Buffalo and Arizona.
But Buffalo is getting closer to Arizona than they are
to Kansas City. The Bills are becoming Arizona great quarterback,
fun to watch. On their best days. They can beat
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in anybody. We think the Bills are inches from from
Baltimore and Kansas City, No they're not. They're Arizona. The
difference is Josh is going to win that division over
and over in Arizona's in a tougher division with better
quarterbacks and coaches. Excuse, but the truth is this team.
You never have any idea what version you get.
Speaker 7 (27:19):
Just by the way, the Bills needed a massive uphill
climb last year to win the division. And Josh Allen
against the Jets in his last four meetings, he's split.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
He's got five touchdowns, six picks. He has not been great.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
What's right?
Speaker 7 (27:30):
Let's not give the Bills this division yet. Okay, it's
not even close to over.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Yeah, I'm going to give it a wit.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Are you taking Bills in blazing five? No way, are you?
Speaker 11 (27:41):
Now?
Speaker 3 (27:41):
It is two and a half. It was three.
Speaker 7 (27:43):
It's down or two and a half. You know, the
the fired coach bump that happens around.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Quarterback at home. A chaotic, messy week for the team
coming in. Are the Bills on the road? Oh yeah?
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Huge advantage of MetLife for the Jets.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
All right, okay, sure, huge advantage. My bad. Well they're
in New York, you know, yes, not the state.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
A quick bus ride from Buffalo.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Or something like that. Jmack with a news.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by. The
herd Line.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
News so last night had to qualify as a stunning
performance by the Dodgers eighth over the Podrays. So it
was a bullpen game, which you know you do in
the regular season. You see it where you want to
give everybody a rest, so you just go, you know,
inning here, inning here, inning here for a but you know,
six seven relievers. So it's only the second team ever.
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The Dodgers did something, only the second team ever to
throw an eight pitcher shutout, and it was against the Podrays,
a team that doesn't get shut out much, and they
were on fire. So what the Dodgers did last night,
major League Baseball is actually trying to eliminate, which is
like going to your bullpen slows down the game. Kind
of weird bunch of pitchers. Nobody knows that. Major League
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Baseball does not want that. I'm just looking at everybody
pits like an inning, so you know it was maybe
an inning in a third one guy two thirds of
an inning. Dave Roberts couldn't play Freddy Freeman or his
shortstop because of injuries, and you're talking about a bullpen
game with those are nightmares to salvage the season, and
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Dave Roberts is interesting. So he's won eight of nine
division titles, and he probably when he pulls into Dodger
Stadium has to pay for parking. There's never been a
manager that has won this much in the history of
baseball and gets more crap the knock on Dave Roberts.
You know, I'm like everybody else. Sit in the summer.
You watch a baseball game and you watch the reaction
to tois He's not intense. He does not inspire the team.
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I think they're paid well enough to be inspired on
their own. Here's the truth. Though he's thoughtful, he's smart,
he's low key, has a lot very Joe Tory did this.
A lot of stars in the locker room. Not all
of them loved each other. Big market media, this team
gets along. I mean they get along. I mean it's
a joyful team to watch. There's never any major controversies.
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If there are, Trevor Bower, you're out of the organization
or show. Heyo, Tawny. It's more talk than reality. Everybody
likes each other, and that's hard in baseball, where you
have a lot of downtime. One hundred and sixty two games,
two hundred and fifty days together starting in spring training.
But what they did last night is it just doesn't
happen to go through with the hottest team hitting outside
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of the Mets in baseball and you mow through the
lineup with a bunch of guys you've never heard of
outside of Los Angeles pitching an inning. He played a
lot of chess last night, and the key was that
he didn't pitch anybody long enough. They'll all be available
Friday in Game five. So a tip of the cap
to Dave Roberts, who again is just a class guy.
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But this is the way it works. It's like Aaron
Boone's dealing with this. The difference is like Dave Roberts
is like winning the division every year. The only place
he's not exceeding expectations is when he loses to really
good teams in the postseason. And here he is last
night managing a bullpen against the hottest hitting team in
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the National League.
Speaker 6 (31:10):
Overall, the guys were efficient, understanding that you know they're
gonna have to do updowns go a little bit long
and potentially so the efficiency efficiency the strike throne was huge.
And again they just gives us options for Game five
for me to see our guys go through what they've
been through and respond the way they have really makes
you excite about Game five.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Yeah, that was weird watching that game, I thought, and no, listen,
it helps when Mookie, Betts and Otani and you get
the bats going and you play with the lead. But
I mean, we've watched the Mets come from behind and
score light. We've watched the Padres do that, So you're
thinking the whole Even in the fourth, fifth, sixth inning
with the big lead, you're like, Okay, one of these
relievers is not going to hit, and they all hit,
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they all worked, and they're all available for Game five.
So Davonte Adams has narrowed his list to where he's going,
and let's stop talking about the teams and start talking
about Davonte Adams. There's only one choice here. There's only
one choice if you're Davonte Adams. Where to go.
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Speaker 1 (32:32):
Yeah, I was on TikTok till like almost midnight last
night watching some of that devastation. Just frightening, terrifying stuff.
Send our best to everybody in Florida, got friends there,
and just cross your fingers on the cleanup. So I
saw this story this morning. According to the Athletic, Devonte
Adams great player. Why he left the Packers for the Raiders.
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I didn't get it. Aaron Rodgers closer to his prime,
Derek Carr didn't get it. No Chaost Chaos didn't get it.
Now you're in my Holmes division twice a year. Didn't
get it. So, according to the Athletic, the Jets, Saints,
Steelers are interested and the Bills are monitoring it. So
instead of talking about the teams, let's just talk about
the player, the star. How could you even consider the
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other teams if the Bills reached out to you? Saints, Jets, Steelers, Hello,
Josh Allen. So let me give you an example. Because
Davante may may not be Randy Moss or a Calvin Johnson,
but he's really good. Go take Randy Moss as great
as Randy Moss was the year before he was with
Tom Brady the year before, three touchdowns five hundred and
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fifty yards. The year he was with Brady the first year,
twenty three touchdowns, fifteen hundred yards. And it works for
a couple of years, big years, record setting. Then he
leaves and he's bounced around to a couple of teams.
He plays twelve games, he goes back to two tds
in two hundred and fifty yards. That's Randy Moss so
like it's about the quarterback. Like nothing against Derek carneron Ron.
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Hang out with your friends in the off season, go
to dinner on an off day. What are you doing? Look,
do you have an agent representation? Are you asking him?
You go to Josh Allen, You make it happen. I understood,
in fact when he said I'm not interested in New England.
Totally get it. Jacoby Brissett, rookie quarterback, defensive coach. If
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I was a receiver, there are three things I care about.
Number one, who's the quarterback? Number two? Do you have
stability with the coach? I don't want to have to
deal with new coordinators and new people, and you don't
want to be a merry go around like the Jets.
Third thing is do you have a good old line,
specifically left tackle you That's why CJ. Stroud has worked.
They had Laramie Tunzel, good offensive coordinator and stability with
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a head coach. So this to me is Buffalo checks
all the boxes on this. And I mean, listen, the Jets.
Here's something else to think about. The Jets have won
thirty four percent of their games in the last fourteen years.
But I didn't understand when he from Green Bay to
the Raiders. Like I get players leaving for big pay
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raises like Tyreek Hill. He wanted to get paid. Miami's
got better weather than Kansas City. You know. Two, it
was fine. You weren't going to a horrible quarterback from
Patrick Mahomes like I get some of them. But Davonte
went from Aaron who wasn't in his prime at the
end but close to it, to a chaotic organization and
more of a B quarterback now. At the time, Aaron
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at the end was closer to a B quarterback than
anybody wants to acknowledge what he is now, especially since
he hasn't had a three hundred yard game passing since
like December of twenty twenty one. But I just don't
get this. It reminds, you know what, It reminds me
of when Davonte went from Green Bay to the Raiders.
It reminds me of Kevin Durant going from the Warriors
to Brooklyn. You're like, what are you doing? Great leadership,
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great coaching, no chaos, you know, high standards, Steph Curry
to Kyrie, Brooklyn nets second name in town. Like, I
just don't get it. And I mean, here's the utter
thing is that all the teams could use him that
are interested Pittsburgh getting. I mean, when you're that good,
everybody could use you. It's not like the Patriots couldn't
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pick up first downs before Randy Moss. Like everybody could
use Randy Moss. Everybody could use maybe not Minnesota, but
they'd figure out a way to use him. But the
Bill's receivers were twenty sixteen yards so far the season,
so they are desperate for a guy. Last week they
were terrible because they were missing a slot receiver. Like
they don't have a guy yet. So this one, to
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me is just if I'm Devonte Adams, I just tell
my agent make it work, you know, make it work
in Buffalo. Yes, it's cold after Thanksgiving. Congrats on plan
inside in Vegas like they're just And also the Raiders
now now that Dak signed, because there was a strong rumor.
It wasn't even a rumor. I was told that the
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Raiders were gonna look long and hard at Dak if
he became available. Patriots drafted to the quarterback. Raiders don't
really have one, and so there's a chance, you know,
I would say a pretty significant chance the Raiders draft
a quarterback. You have it, like fifty percent of those
guys hit, So this thing may never end. So translation,
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go find a star quarterback. It'll work out. There are
some things in this league just don't overthink it. If
you have a star quarterback, he'll sort of solve everything.
It's the eraser, like Mahomes, We got to rebuild our
own line. We don't have a great receiving corps. Just
just same with Lamar Jackson. They lost three offensive linemen.
They keep winning. Jayden Daniels, c J. Stroud took over Laughingstocks.
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They're Erasers. They just fix everything. So if I'm Devonte Adams,
I'm Jets not interested. I get the buddy buddy thing,
but I just don't. You can't go work at a
company if you're a high profile employee right in the
middle of your prime maybe late prime, but still like
four or five great years left. I'm not working at
a coup but because I have a buddy there. Like,
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you're either competent or you're not. You're greater, you're not.
I'm not there for you know. We can go meet
for coffee down the street after work, all right, Greg Cosell,
top of Next Hour, NFL Films forty five years, Our
Big ten bets later you picture Upset of the week.
There's one every week.
Speaker 10 (38:19):
J Mack.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
We've put the week six schedule up.
Speaker 9 (38:21):
There is it.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
Upset every week? Every stinking week we got an upset.
Speaker 7 (38:25):
It's sad, but I'm kind of warming up to Drake
May and the Patriots pulling off a bit of a chocker. Listen,
remember Malik Willis. Nobody wanted to touch the Packers when
Malik Willis was the starter. Lafleur coached a great game.
I don't know that the Patriots coaching staff is capable
of that. That being said, I just think the Texans
are vulnerable. Have you seen the splits when Stroud is
(38:47):
a big favorite. He's not good in his career.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
Like it's as small.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
They're also not as good on the road, not as
good on the young quarterbacks can struggle at times away
from home and comfort.
Speaker 7 (38:56):
Don't know about Joe Mixon, Nico Collins out. Just a
lot of things going against the Texans, who, by the way,
are coming off a huge game.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
Against the Bills that was a big emotion. That's like
I let down.
Speaker 7 (39:06):
It's like, oh, remember the Patriots were hosting the Seahawks,
and we all love the Seahawks. Seahawks had to travel,
kind of slept, walk through it and won a close game.
It feels like the Texans probably win this by three
or four, or the Patriots are live to pull the
upset out right, you're buying that?
Speaker 5 (39:21):
Or no?
Speaker 1 (39:23):
I mean Arizona is always a live dog at Green Bay.
Arizona to me is just McBride, Harrison Wilson, Connor, Kyler
has a lot of weapons there. And then Packers are
a little beat up on the offensive side.
Speaker 7 (39:39):
Christian Watson back at practice, you see that a little
bit of a surprise. Romeo Dobbs is apologized, I guess
to the team, Oh he did not a formal apology,
but hey, I'm back.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Guys.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
All right. The latest on Caleb Williams. He offended a
teammate and I love it.
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