May 10, 2024 • 40 mins
Colin believes he's finally figured out the Boston Celtics by comparing them to the Dallas Cowboys
He argues for Jared Goff as a top 10 QB in the NFL and clearly better than Tua Tagovailoa
Russell Wilson continues to get criticism from former teammates
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go on a Friday, many things on the docket,
live in Los Angeles. It's The Herd wherever you may
be and however you may be listening. Thanks for making
us part of your day, jamac. The Boston Celtics are weird.
They're a weird team. I think I've found what I'm
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looking for when it comes to the Celtics. The analogy,
I'll get to that in a second. Twelve and a
half point favorites and you get beat by twenty four
at home.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Not a good look for Boston. But he's the MAVs
cancer and NAT's cancer form lost.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Books off that, so Boston has arguably. The Celtics have
arguably been the best team in the NBA record wise
for three years, right, and they regularly, historically bizarre regularly
get throddled at home, regular season in playoffs. The last
three years at home in the playoffs, they have a
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five hundred record. And I'm thinking in a league in
an era of good like the seventies, we've had five
different title teams in five years. This year could be
the sixth and six years. Boston is just they're pretty good.
Maybe they're very good, but they're not great. And everybody
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keeps waiting for great and they're not great. They're not special,
they're not elite. I mean, this happens to very good teams,
and Boston is very good. They don't have a Shack
in his prime. They don't have an MJ. Bird of Magic.
They don't have a Kobe, I'd argue today, they don't
have an Aunt Edwards. They have Jason Tatum, who, to
be honest with you, sometimes has almost a role player's mentality.
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I mean, last night they were twelve and a half
point favorites lost by twenty four. That's the largest playoff
loss in thirty years by a double digit home favorite.
That's insane. Is some of this They just feast on
the East, and the East is really really bad. They've
been doing this for years. They were forty one and
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eleven against the East this year. Yet on this three
year Celtics run, they have one Finals appearance and they
got beat Have they become the Dallas Cowboys where they
have a coach that we don't really believe in. They
have a huge brand which translates to massive expectations. We
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give them credit for being better than they are, and
they have a leader that is unquestionably very good Dak
and Tatum, but sometimes very questionably great. Again, is a
lot of this. The Cowboys have beaten up on bad teams,
often in division Giants and Commanders, and Boston's largely beaten
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up on the lousy East. I mean the Boston Celtics
are not only beating up in the East. Think about
the New York Knicks. Their two best players are hobbled.
Their two other best players arguably are out Julius Randall,
Mitchell Robinson. And they're gonna win a playoff series another
in the East. Could they win one in the West?
I don't know. So I think the Cowboys and the Celtics.
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The difference is we've really come to understand what the
Cowboys are. The Celtics were not there yet. Great special,
elite all time teams are not getting throttled by twenty
four at home and have a five hundred home playoff
record in the last three years. I think a lot
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of this is we have a leader who's unquestionably very good.
We think every time the Celtics have a great player
like a KG or a Bird, they win titles. A
Magic Kobe, shack out West, you win titles. I don't know.
I mean, going into last night, what was Tatum the
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third leading score on the Celtics in the playoffs? I
don't know. After the game, Tatum was asked if Celtic
fans are just spoiled.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
I mean, that's the narrative that you might see on TV,
the idea that we have a super team. It's twofold, right.
We didn't have a Coach of the Year, we didn't
have MVP, we only had two All Stars, So I
say we're a super team. But you know, we didn't
get rewarded like we are. We know we got a
good team. We're not perfect. We played it right way
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more often than not, and we know we gotta be better.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
I'm not asking for perfection to get rottled at home
by a slightly better than average Eastern Conference team. When
you're a twelve and a half point favorite to be
five hundred at home in the playoffs the last three
years against the Eastern teams, not against the much better
Western teams, as against Eastern teams. Maybe they're just very
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good in an era of good. I thought this was interesting.
Perception is a powerful thing, but it's not reality, although
sometimes it becomes reality. Somebody gets paid based on perception.
Those are what we call bad general managers and bad
owners in pro sports. So Jared Goff is a quarterback
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for Detroit and Brad Holmes very very shrewd, very smart
GM one of my favorites in the NFL. They've built
a powerhouse. I've said before the Lions are the Niners,
just younger Hall of Fame level talents to me, just
younger by about five years a player. But Brad Holmes
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said on Radio Detroit, we are gonna get this golf
extension done.
Speaker 5 (06:13):
He's earned an extension, and it's it's it's important, it's
it's a hot priority for us, and both sides are
working really really hard. But these things just kind of
take a while, especially with the quarterback market. But I
do have faith that it's going to get done.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
But It's interesting how Goff is viewed by the public
and the media and how Tua is Golf should get
the extension. I wouldn't. I wouldn't give two a one
for four reasons. Number one, Golf never gets hurt. Golf's
been to two conference championships and a Super Bowl. Golf
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is the bigger, taller athlete six four to six foot,
and he's less dependent on a single head coach. GoF
is one with two. But Tua went to a college
football power had a cool slogan attached to his name,
Tank for Tua has a brilliant, clever offensive coach, plays
in ideal outdoor weather all the time down South, and
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has the fastest guy in the world as a wide receiver.
But GoF is better and there's no question, and Brad Holmes,
this is a real thing. Sees through the hype Tua.
He's got a lot of snazzy furniture in the house,
the coaches, the wide receivers. But if you take the
snazzy furniture out, what's the house?
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Goff?
Speaker 1 (07:35):
I like the foundation of it. He's taken amor on
Saint Brown and helped make him a star. Seven years,
six playoffs, and I think there's a real thing here.
If you ask the fans, and you ask a lot
of the media, they view these as equal or two
is better. But the sharpest GM one of them in
the NFL. They're getting this thing done fast to a thing.
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They're still reluctant. And so two was a little bit
like that Miami speedboat. It's flashy, but it's seasonal. Jared
Goff's the pickup truck. It works in all weather. This
morning I went and looked, and this is a real thing.
We talked about this about two A couple days ago.
I went and found golf and Tua in weather under
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forty five degrees that is January February, December. Football golf
ninety passer rating winning record, still a very viable quarterback,
four to one TDed interception ratio. Tua plummets. You got
to give the extensions to the guys that are all terrain,
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all weather, the pickup trucks. December, January February, and that
is GoF He's not flashy, he didn't come with a
cool slogan, didn't.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Run around a lot.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Everybody wishes he was a little stronger and heavy, but
the job of the great GMS in basketball and football
is cut through the hype and the fandom and get
to the reel and GoF is really really good. Tua
just depends on the weather. Jay Mac, I know you
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don't love that take, but we went digging this morning,
and I think it's interesting because the perception on Tua
on a flashier team. I mean, the Lions are built
mostly behind a great offensive line. They've done a great
job to find running backs, linebackers, tight ends, fourth round receivers.
But once again, Goff, two different coaches, two divisions, two systems,
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has gotten two teams to conference championships. He's not quarterback
dependent or weapon dependent. He's winning with Omar on Saint Rohon.
He won with Cooper Cupp, he won with McVeigh. He
wins with Dan Campbell, two systems, multiple coordinators, two divisions,
and he wins again.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Oh boy, quarterback wins to start the show. Oh listen.
Speaker 6 (10:06):
I thought the golf bad weather thing was interesting because
historically he had been bad.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
He's now now he's not as good. He's better in
better weather in adult obviously, but he is more than
viable B plus plus to a plummet.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Sure, Now I did look it up though.
Speaker 6 (10:24):
Early in Golf's career, you know, on his rookie year
at the Rams, he was putrid in poor weather, like
very bad.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Maybe he's gotten better now that he's like.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Well, which should be noted. Yeah, the first year he
had maybe the worst offensive staff in league. Yes, Jeff Fisher,
it was Jeff Fisher, right, Yeah, and that and those numbers.
If you take just those numbers out, it's pretty remarkable
how often he wins a lot and is really really
good all the time.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
So what's his price point?
Speaker 6 (10:50):
It seems, I mean, given he's most so much better
than Doua, is he a forty five million dollars year?
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (10:54):
No, I think you get into the five is the
first number. I think Jared Goff is a top ten quarterback.
I think can get into the five is the first number,
and I'm comfortable with that.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
So golf five, what's the first number for Jordan Love
and Tua?
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Jordan Love I would like to see eight, seven, eight
more starts and then if we have to talk five,
I'm okay with that. Low five.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Golf low five, and Tua I'm not there, not even
in the fours.
Speaker 6 (11:20):
No.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Wow. By the way, if you're in the threes. You're
one of the highest paid humans on the planet. So
the let's not you know, this is not a Tua
can't play at all. Now you can play, I know,
But I'm trying to define the difference between perception and reality.
The perception on golf is low. The reality on Tua
is clear. But yet, what's the story, what's the what's
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the belief?
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Well? Too was sexier, right, he was an MVP.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Candid Defense's motion speed, fast, crazy over there and they
just six yards in Detroit. Six yards in Detroit. Always
make the right throw, keep the quarter of It's not
it's a pickup trucks not not as exhilarating.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
I like that analogy, all right.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Another player pokes Russell Wilson. It never ends. And Luca
won last night. Did you see the stat on Luca?
Do you see the remarkable stat on Luca? That was
the lowest ball usage rate game of the year. Forum,
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And look how good Dallas looked. Isn't that amazing? Less
Luca better, Luca better team? Isn't that interesting?
Speaker 3 (12:36):
It's certainly interesting.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
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Speaker 1 (12:47):
I'm never gonna criticize athletes who have strong opinions. Try
not to because they're giving us content and we want
them to not be cliche machines. But Russell Wilson, now
a Steeler, formerly a Seahawk and no Broncos, stands alone.
It's so interesting to me. Stands alone. He is the
only star. The production tells you he was a star,
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nine time Pro Bowl or two Super Bowls, has a
trophy that's a star. Yet it's hard to find a player,
any player that will publicly ever say anything nice about him.
They poke, they tweak, they criticize. Here's the latest. Chris
Harris twelve year, very very good player, played a lot
of it in Denver. Was on radio recently saying, Hey,
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Russell Wilson needs to be a game manager, that's all
he is.
Speaker 7 (13:35):
In Pittsburgh, I think it was a lot of plays
out there that Russ miss and Seana had some great cause,
of course Sean had.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
He had a couple of bad days. You know what
happens as a head coach.
Speaker 7 (13:46):
But I think he had the right schemes, he had
the right place to be able to get these guys
open and to make plays. A lot of times Russ
held the ball a lot, you know, cousin extra sacks,
killing drives, you know, and kind of missing a lot
of big throws.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
You just don't hear players saying that about like stars
that are still playing in the NFL. So maybe some
of it is. Russell Wilson doesn't poke back, so it's
easy to poke him. You won't get any heat back.
But clearly a lot of players see him as robotic, inauthentic.
I say that because they've said that, but it's interesting.
Aaron Rodgers may alienate everybody, but man, he's got a
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lot of guys. He got media people that like him
and cover him and he's their guy. And he's got players.
David Baktiari, great player, Randall Cobb. He's got his guys.
Russell Wilson. Name one guy that's a Russell Wilson guy.
I looked it up this morning. He had a very
small wedding, one hundred people. It was only two players.
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I hadn't heard of one. It's just different. So it's interesting.
We were talking as a team this morning. Russell is
so polished, it's almost like he's been workshopped and focus grouped.
You never see any anger and Brady was, but if
he was pissed, you saw it all the time. And
so and I think the way Denver ended really sums
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up the mystery, or maybe it's not a mystery of
Russell Wilson. So the feeling was in Denver last year.
Yet Russell really cost us. I looked it up. He
was eighth and passer rating ninth in touchdown passes with
no run game. Denver's defense was twenty ninth in the league.
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Couldn't stop a cult twenty ninth, and Russell got the blame.
He wasn't Mahomes. He's pretty good. I watched all their games.
It's pretty good. I mean, they they have a run game.
The defense was terrible. He was almost five hundred. But
who took the blame for Russell Wilson? J Mack with
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a news.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
No no turns. This is the herdline news.
Speaker 6 (16:00):
Oh boy, All right, let's get started with Remember that
story from yesterday about the rookie terry On Arnold who
claimed that the Raiders called him after the draft to
let him know a coin flip determined the Raiders taking
brock Bowers over him at number thirteen.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
We kind of got to laugh. Well, like it wasn't literal. Well,
this is not overy Colin Raiders GM.
Speaker 6 (16:19):
Tom to LESCo addressed the claim he did inject humor
into his answer.
Speaker 8 (16:25):
Typically, I use a magic gateball and not a coin.
But no, you know, part of that draft process, and
we do this really two weeks before the draft, we'll
go through all different scenarios of what could happen in
the first round and how we would react to it
and discuss it.
Speaker 6 (16:37):
So when you're.
Speaker 8 (16:39):
Picking thirteen, you know, there aren't that many scenarios to
go through. So what So obviously we had gone through
the scenario of players being gone and brock Bowers is there,
and we discussed in a small group and if that happened, like, hey,
we're gonna take Brack.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
That's what I was That's what I was told.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
I'm sure this is all accurate.
Speaker 6 (17:01):
Just a couple questions still linger, Why did Antonio Pierce
call this guy after the draft to let him know, sorry,
we didn't take you.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Why would a coach do.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
That, I mean, maybe he wants to just I don't know.
Antonio is a former player. Maybe he feels a kinship
with players. I don't know, he didn't have to.
Speaker 6 (17:18):
Certainly, is it possible that he disagreed with the front
office going offense when he's a defensive guy? Well, is
that why he maybe made the call knowing that this
would leak out and there was some disagreement in the
rad Sounds like Telusco.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
You see hear what he said.
Speaker 6 (17:30):
We discussed it a small group. That doesn't sound like
the war room. Sounds like Teleusco is maybe over the side,
maybe deciding this one.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Yeah, I mean brock Bauers was the choice. Where did
Arnold go in the draft?
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Well twenty something like that?
Speaker 1 (17:46):
In Yeah, the Rams wanted to move up to get
brock Bowers, where historically you don't move up to get
tight ends. Brock Bowers was the smarter choice in an
offensive league, and because of his skill. Remember, if you
go a year ago from today, people had brock Bauers
is the third, fourth or fifth draft pick. He went
down because he got injured. Didn't look quite the same
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though very good. So like if Antonio Pierce wanted the corner,
that would have been a massive overdraft. The first defensive
player didn't go until the Colts at like mid first.
So that's why you can't let coaches. Coaches get emotional
coaches coach GMS GM, you can't have your coach the
best coaches home. Groun dabbled a little too much in
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the front office, had some bad whips in Seattle, big
bad reaches, Belichick, Pete Carroll. It never Andy Reid does
it right. Come to me with a quarterback and I'll
give you my thoughts, but you draft I coach. That's
the way to do it.
Speaker 6 (18:43):
I don't disagree at all. I just want this. This
is just a weird story. We know the Raiders are
a bit of a disaster often it just sounds like
their process and Antonio Pierce, it feels like he's off
to a bit of a rocky start with a head
a new GM.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
No, well, he's in a division with three really really
really good offensive coaches Harball, Reid, and Peyton. He's the
defensive coach and he's the only one without a potential
franchise quarterback. So this is going to be an uphill battle.
The good news actually this week the Raiders got good
news by association the Titans loading up their receiving core
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for Will Levis, which should ensure he looks pretty good.
Means Tennessee may not take a quarterback with their first
pick next year because if you look at the Giants
will want a quarterback. The Raiders will absolutely want a quarterback.
What you want to do is be one of only
two teams, not five. So the Raiders are crossing their
fingers hoping Bryce Young and Will Levis get another shot
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after this year, and both look like they have much
better supporting receiver cast than a year ago.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Yeah, I just wonder about Pierce.
Speaker 6 (19:52):
Remember he was like the defensive coach who fills in
as head coach after they fire the head coach, and was.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Like, oh do we keep him?
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Was this substitute teacher pro sports? The interim football coach.
I had this discussion with Dean Spanos a couple days ago,
the owner of the Chargers, and we talked about interim
coaches because remember they got rid of Brandon Staley, and
I said, you can use an interim coach, but like,
don't do it for more than like three games. You
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get into eight games, you do it at Thanksgiving and
they go in a heater because everybody plays over their
head and then you're stuck hiring interim guy who's interim
for a reason. And so that's why when you fire
a coach. The Chargers waited waited, waited, waited, and at
the end of the year, you can give an assistant
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that you think is really excellent a shot for a
couple of weeks, but be very careful about that. That's
why with Antonio Pierce, they played really hard for him.
They were trying to impress him. That doesn't mean for
the next four years you're going to be able to
outdual Reed Harbond, Sean Paton.
Speaker 6 (20:55):
Yeah, it looked like McDaniels was fired November one, so
Peers had like a long runway, kind of like the
locker room loved and blah blah blah, and you're just
starting to wonder, Yeah, we'll see Raiders next up. Pittsburgh
Steelers surprised the people when they declined Nase Harris's fifth
year option last week. According to the Pittsburgh Post Gazette,
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Nase reportedly asked the team to decline his option so
he could pursue other opportunities in free agency next season. However,
Naji's agent came out and denied that, saying your little
birdie source is a joke. Next time, do your homework
and find a real source. Not true, Mike.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
I wanna tell you this. Russell Wilson may not know this,
but Mike Tomlin needs to win games this year. That
offense between Warren and Harris, those receivers, that tight end.
They addressed their offensive line. I thought, very smartly, they
already have a good defense. I got to see eleven
twelve wins here.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
This is that's not happening.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
This is a very good roster. I thought they had
another excellent draft. Then they get Russell Wilson. Justin Fields
is on a short list with Michael Pennix as the
best backup. I gotta see WC. I don't care how
good the division is. I need twelve.
Speaker 6 (22:15):
I think you'll be luck if they get half that.
Colin six, Collin just remember Russell Wilson. No guarantees beyond
this year, Mike Tomlin, no guarantees beyond this year.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
A lot of TV shatter.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
The over unders eight and a half.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
That's it. I think. I don't know if it's I'm
taking a spot.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
On the I'm just telling you they'd better win more
than that at eight seven or eight. I got real
questions this. This is way too talented a roster.
Speaker 6 (22:39):
But I think the bigger quick. Does Mike Tomlin want
to be there anymore? Is he having fun? Does he
want to stay?
Speaker 1 (22:44):
I don't know, he'd be great in TV. But I
to me, I look at rosters in the NFL. I
have the Steelers on a short list of top five.
I think Niners is up there, Philadelphia is up there.
I mean, we know there's some really Baltimore's up there,
some great roster. Well, Pittsburgh's way up there.
Speaker 6 (23:02):
So it's funny you mentioned that a buddy of mine
Detroit does some NFL breakdowns in the offseason.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
He pointed me to this Mike Clay of ESPN. I
don't know if you're familiar with his work.
Speaker 6 (23:14):
He ranks rosters. I think you'd be stunned who he
has up right near the top. Who tied with the
forty nine ers? Who my AFC East champion Jets. So like,
this is where we are in the offseason. You think
Pittsburgh needs twelve wins, the Jets may have the best
roster in the league.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Like, there's a lot of whacky stuff happening in this NFL.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Season he has the Jets is the second best roster
in the league. Yeah, oh, give me a break.
Speaker 6 (23:41):
Well, I mean the position will break down. Listen, I
want to do this as the story next week.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
How many Jet offensive linemen are starting for?
Speaker 6 (23:47):
Okay, I mean I don't want to go too far
off the topic, but the Jets offensive line is ranked
third in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
That's how good the upgrades were.
Speaker 6 (23:56):
First round pick left tackle Tyron Smith and Logan Mo.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
You're stunned right now. Look, he's got to take a
simpl water. He's so shook. He's like, what is happening here?
All right? Fine, Michael story. We discussed the Anthony Edwards
Jordan stuff.
Speaker 6 (24:11):
Now that ant is uh getting asked about it a lot,
he said in an interview, Edwards called for the comparisons
to stop and express that while he may have a
mix of Michael Jordan and him, Aunt says he's got
a three point shot that Jordan didn't have Nuggets T
Wolves game.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Listen, Well, he's not wrong. Well, Michael, when they moved
a three point shot in for two years, his numbers
went up. Hey, he was like, he's good. In fairness,
Michael didn't work on the three a ton because it
was a different league. So aunt, Now if you don't,
if your aunt and you're a wing player, a great
wing player, you have to have a three or it
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literally reduces you're not only your effectiveness, but just kind
of your legacy. You'd be like, you'd be Carmelo, Like,
can you be that good of a shooter and not
take one step back?
Speaker 3 (25:02):
It's like stubborn.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
So in fairness to Jordan, he was scoring all he
needed to in the mid post, you know, all in
the mid range game. He didn't have to shoot threesoch
he had the Portland famous Portland game.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
But yeah, six threes and a half in the finals,
A shrug. You know, Nuggets, Wolves tonight? Who you got?
I think I saw Wolves favored by four and a half.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
I'm staying away. I think Denver's gonna it's Denver season.
I have a feeling they're gonna get swept. But it's
Denver season. So when games get highly emotional, you know,
like in Blazing five, I don't bet a lot of
TV games. A lot of the games I try to
find are not that Sunday night game, although sometimes it's
just the best number.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Yeah, but when you.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Get into these super charge games the like like tonight,
Denver's gonna play like with the kind of intensity that
they may have not played with all year, and then
it's almost natural for Minnesota to come out a tad flat,
isn't it.
Speaker 6 (25:57):
Well the problem with that, Colin is Denver's getting crushed
in the first half in almost every playoff. Can remember
Lakers were smashing them Timberwolves. The first two games have
showed well in the first half.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (26:08):
I hate to say, this smells to me like another blowout,
and I think at that point, you know, come Monday night.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
I was talking about this with somebody yesterday.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
We're gonna have a lot of about them.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Josh My steps and we were talking about this if
you were building an NBA team for twenty twenty four.
And this is not taking away anything from Aunt or
Chris Finch the coach. I'm just talking the construction of
a team. You look at Minnesota, You'd say, give me
a veteran point guard who's been through the Wars, who
doesn't need to hog the ball, a dynamic two or
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three Aunt two bigs, one that just a fans, the
other that's offensively skilled, multiple great relentless wing defenders. That's Minnesota.
The construct of their roster is so good. Everything you Okay,
let's bring a guy off the bench who's huge energy.
Here comes Nasred. All right, I want a couple of bigs,
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but one kind of creates his own stuff. Oh go bear,
and then one can drop twenty four in any night.
You have a dominant score and and a point guard
who doesn't get in the way high iq. The construction
of Minnesota even makes Denver, smartly constructed, look like a
have not necessaries. It is a perfect roster. I mean,
it's really really a good roster.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
I would say it.
Speaker 6 (27:27):
You know, they basically have the old Warriors way, which
is just length everywhere.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Remember the Warriors had like Clay kd Andre Hud.
Speaker 6 (27:35):
They have great size on the wings. Zough, No, they
you don't need the size. You got the length on
the wings. You could defend multiple positions. Yeah, And like
nobody on Denver can guard Anthony Edwards. They don't have
one guy like they miss Bruce Brown who they had last.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Look they they do. They look almost unathletic in the series.
I mean compared to Minnesota, they look a little unathletic.
They have no dods Reid McDaniel, and you're like, they
just can't can't.
Speaker 6 (28:00):
For Alexander Walker off the bench from Minnesota is like
a long six ' five can guard like two three positions.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
You're like, damn, you know they're well built.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Jmack with the news.
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Speaker 1 (28:15):
Frank Vogel fired crazy. There are a lot of coaches
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take jobs even after they've been fired a couple of times.
Why not I don't take a four year deal and
I get fired after one still get the money. Frank Vogels,
(28:37):
he's got a lot of I mean he's he's getting
paid a lot of money for not working over the
last five six years.
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Speaker 1 (29:33):
If you don't know what usage rate is in the NBA,
you're a casual. It means how often do you have
a you know, ball in your hands. And I've said
this about certain players in the NBA. When Luca came out,
I said, I see Mellow and James Harden. His usage
rate is way too high. He'll be exhausted by the
end of the season. And he's a bucket getter, but
I don't know if he's ever going to be a
trophy holder. I was right on Mellow from the first day.
(29:57):
I got nothing but pushback from fanboy, media and fans,
but I was right. Mello never was compatible with other players.
The guy got insecure about linsanity, and Luca now is
on his third attempt at a teammate. And so Luca's
usage rate all season outrageously high thirty six percent. Last
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night it was twenty four and they won. In fact,
this is interesting. This is what I banged on Harden for.
He's a combination of Harden and Mellow. Are you really
going to get him in shape? Is he really going
to defend? It's my knock on Mellow, my knock on Luca.
Is he in great shape? Is he going to defend?
Or just got a bucket get her? Or is he
going to be hardened? Where he get your buckets? A
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lot of buckets, but he's worn down by the time
the playoffs get there. This year the MAVs, when Luca
had a more reasonable usage rate under thirty percent, they
were eight to Oh. Daddy was right. Uncle Colin nailed it.
He's got the ball too much. He's a commodation of
Mello and Harden. But I will say he is defending
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this year. Not sure he wanted to. He may have
had to because the league swallowed the whistles at the
All Star break. And I'm not skeptical of Luca's talent.
They won last night. I'm skeptical of his compatibility because
as selfish as MJ and Kobe could be, eventually they
could get along with a Pippin and a cur and
(31:21):
a Gasol and a Shack Kareem Lebron, the trophy guys,
the MJ Magic Bird trophy guys. They could be selfish,
but they were ultimately compatible at some point. That's been
Harden's issue, that is Mellow's issue. And now Luke is
on his third teammate, and again he's better on defense,
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but at some point you have to be because the
league has just said we're gonna let guys play. So
you know, he's a big body. You can lean on
people now and get the break. So I think what
happens is, and we do this all the time. People
come into the league and they're very highly skilled offensively
a Mellow, a Harden or a Luca, and people just
got hypnotized by the style and the points and the
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bucket getters. But do you want to be a trophy
guy or just a bucket getter? Because that's all Mellow
and he's one of the all time great scorers. That's
what Harden is Luca to me is better than that,
and so uh, he talked a Chandler Parson yesterday talked
about sort of the Luca dilemma. It's got to be.
Speaker 10 (32:24):
Pretty exhausted playing with Luca because you just you get
stuck watching him. Your offense gets stagnant because he's so talented,
he's so good offensively that sometimes you do get frustrated
as a teammate because he's taking these long, low percent
step backs. But when you make them, when when he
makes them, it's like, Holy, this guy's unbelievable. But then
when he has a night like he did in Game one,
(32:45):
it's like, Okay, couldn't we get a better possession here?
But it is on him to take better shots. It
is on him to get his teammate's easy looks. And
then when he is buying on the defensive end, when
you're best player, like Anthony Edwards, is playing both with
playing defense, that fuels your team, that fuels your locker room.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
All right. In Phoenix, Frank Vogel got fired and he's
got a title and he got fired. So KD is
kind of running out of coaches here. It will be
the second straight coach because they're going to hire Mike Budenholzer.
So Vogel had to tire a title. It didn't work
with KD. Let's see if Budenholzer works with KD because
(33:23):
he got a title too. So it's interesting over the
last five years listening to this Jmac, over the last
five years, KD has been swept in the playoffs more
than winning a series in the playoffs. That's bad. So
I think if you look at kd's career, there is
a clear line. There's the first twelve years Seattle briefly
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OKC and the Warriors, and that's titles, and that's toe
to toe with Lebron is the best player in the world.
And then there's the last four He's just a guy.
That's course twenty seven to twenty eight, just a score.
And I think it all comes down to one decision
(34:07):
is that he bailed on Steve Kerr and Steph Curry
and he has never found his next star and his
next coach. So coaching does matter in the NBA, and
co stars matter. And when he left Golden State, I
didn't want to hear about wandering. I don't want to
hear about you know, he's a different cat you don't
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leave Mahomes and Andy Reid if you're a wide receiver
Tyreek Hill making a lot of catches. Let's be honest,
they're just not relevant. Kansas City remains relevant. Reid Mahomes
are winning without him, and so I think when Tyreek
left there was a lot of this, Hey, he's getting
his be very careful and even more so in the
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NBA because you know, people often say coaching is sort
of nebulous. I mean, what is We all know coaching
in football matters a lot, high school, college pro in
basketball at Mats or some you know, Vogel got fired,
there's a lot of you know, discussion about the defense
was too complicated, Beal didn't buy in book or so
so whatever it is. But I think you really when
(35:12):
you look at Kevin's career, there is now an absolute
line with it is he was a toe to toe
Alzheimer and now he's just he just scores. And Nick
Wright talked about it this week.
Speaker 11 (35:28):
The fact that Kevin Durant is going to go through
this half decade of his career not seeing a conference finals,
when the first decade of his career he lived in
the conference and NBA finals is bizarre.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
And when you.
Speaker 11 (35:45):
Put pen to paper, if you are talking all of
NBA history, Kevin Durant is far closer to twenty than
to ten, which five years ago would have been unfathomable.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Yeah, he was, he was. I mean, there were a
lot of people arguing when he was winning MVP in
the finals he was better than Lebron. I didn't buy it.
I thought he was second clearly, maybe third, But that
was the discussion. It would be like if Josh Allen
just became a guy, you know, two for touchdown, like
we've had this kind of Allen's the greater all time talent.
(36:19):
Mahomes is great winning, but it's always been like, well,
I mean, you know, if the next four years you're like, yeah,
Josh Allen, you know, they get they get loose in
the first round of the playoffs, you'd be like that,
what happened that that that's not good. So it's like
you think these things are cemented. But if Brady, you know,
I mean, if Brady didn't have that second I mean,
(36:40):
what really defined Tom Brady wasn't the first run because
it was thought of his Belichick and defense, and he
didn't win with Randy Moss and Wes Welker. What really
defined Brady was the tail end of his career, which
has not gone well for KD. It's souring his legacy.
If you look at Tom, if he'd a retired, you know,
like normal guys do, like thirty eight or something, you
(37:01):
wouldn't have gotten that second big chunk in New England
and in Tampa or whatever, how old he was, thirty
five whatever. It was the first Super Bowls and the
Moss years when he was breaking records, he would have
just been a guy that was, Hey, got a couple
of super Bowls all of a year with Moss. What
defined him was the end of his career. It's it's
the Tampa year that really was the exclamation point on
(37:23):
this guy's probably the goat. Oh it was a Tampa
and wins. He is the goat. You can't even talk,
you know, that's the goat. So you think that your
your legacy is cemented, Well, I mean, guy Kevin Durant.
If Kevin plays four more years and it looks like this,
it really becomes Yeah, Steph Curry really is the only
(37:46):
time he won. So the idea that it's cemented, no,
Lebron's is cemented, but Kad's wasn't. What if he plays
four more years, which is reasonable, and it's just more
of this stuff Budenholzer doesn't work. Phoenix gets knocked out
by Better Minnesota. Okay, Denver, you look at it and
you're like, he's a guy you scored a lot.
Speaker 6 (38:03):
I had to look this up, Colin. Since leaving Golden State,
Kevin Durant has had six different head.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
Coaches and he has two playoff series wins.
Speaker 6 (38:13):
Six different head coaches. So all we heard, oh Lebron's
running off coach is left and right. He's the worst
thing in the world. Kevin Durant had six coaches and
that's four seasons plus the season he missed with the Achilles.
This idea that Kevin Durant is like not a great player,
I don't know that it's that he's not a great
player anymore.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
No, we know he's a great player. We're talking legacy, right,
and so.
Speaker 6 (38:37):
I could improve as your career goes on, right, Well,
just to grow as a player in a person.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Let's say Mahomes over the next ten years won only
one Super Bowl. I think you would largely say he
defined himself for a five to six year period as
the greatest we've ever seen at the position in terms
of talent. But he can never duplicate Tom, which would
be okay. To Tom's record, it's like a sixty it's
like a fifty six game hitting streak in baseball. It
(39:02):
just doesn't make any sense. Historically, people don't hit for
fifty six straight games in baseball, and you get somebody
that does it. And Tom's career doesn't even look like
I mean, Far played forever, Warren Moon played forever. It's
not supposed to look like Brady. You keep winning super
Bowls at the very end of your career in your
mid forties. But I think Kevin will be defined as
a great all time player. But we kind of thought
it was formed. He was a top tenor, and it's like, no,
(39:25):
it's it's it's gone sideways. There's a lot of these guys.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
You'd say, one thing I want to push back on.
Speaker 6 (39:31):
You said, you know he he left Steve Kerr and
Steph Curry.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
How much did Draymond run him out of there?
Speaker 1 (39:39):
Draymond didn't run him out. Draymond ran Jordan Pool out. Well,
we punched Jordan Pool out.
Speaker 6 (39:46):
We know that he kind of was not friendly and
warmed to Kevin Durant. We know that, we've seen the videos.
In the huddle, Durant has alluded to it, well like I.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
Don't know that.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
I mean, he the Warriors won pre KDM post KJD.
He wasn't.
Speaker 6 (39:58):
He was.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
All he was is, Hey, come on, tough en up.
We won before you. We're gonna win after you. You've
got to be able to handle that. I mean, you
can't be like by the way, those are the discussions.
Guys have an NFL locker rooms every day. You got
to be able to handle a little bit of that.
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go on a Friday, many things on the docket,
live in Los Angeles. It's The Herd wherever you may
be and however you may be listening. Thanks for making
us part of your day, jamac. The Boston Celtics are weird.
They're a weird team. I think I've found what I'm
(00:48):
looking for when it comes to the Celtics. The analogy,
I'll get to that in a second. Twelve and a
half point favorites and you get beat by twenty four
at home.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Not a good look for Boston. But he's the MAVs
cancer and NAT's cancer form lost.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Books off that, so Boston has arguably. The Celtics have
arguably been the best team in the NBA record wise
for three years, right, and they regularly, historically bizarre regularly
get throddled at home, regular season in playoffs. The last
three years at home in the playoffs, they have a
(01:25):
five hundred record. And I'm thinking in a league in
an era of good like the seventies, we've had five
different title teams in five years. This year could be
the sixth and six years. Boston is just they're pretty good.
Maybe they're very good, but they're not great. And everybody
(01:46):
keeps waiting for great and they're not great. They're not special,
they're not elite. I mean, this happens to very good teams,
and Boston is very good. They don't have a Shack
in his prime. They don't have an MJ. Bird of Magic.
They don't have a Kobe, I'd argue today, they don't
have an Aunt Edwards. They have Jason Tatum, who, to
be honest with you, sometimes has almost a role player's mentality.
(02:10):
I mean, last night they were twelve and a half
point favorites lost by twenty four. That's the largest playoff
loss in thirty years by a double digit home favorite.
That's insane. Is some of this They just feast on
the East, and the East is really really bad. They've
been doing this for years. They were forty one and
(02:30):
eleven against the East this year. Yet on this three
year Celtics run, they have one Finals appearance and they
got beat Have they become the Dallas Cowboys where they
have a coach that we don't really believe in. They
have a huge brand which translates to massive expectations. We
(02:52):
give them credit for being better than they are, and
they have a leader that is unquestionably very good Dak
and Tatum, but sometimes very questionably great. Again, is a
lot of this. The Cowboys have beaten up on bad teams,
often in division Giants and Commanders, and Boston's largely beaten
(03:14):
up on the lousy East. I mean the Boston Celtics
are not only beating up in the East. Think about
the New York Knicks. Their two best players are hobbled.
Their two other best players arguably are out Julius Randall,
Mitchell Robinson. And they're gonna win a playoff series another
in the East. Could they win one in the West?
I don't know. So I think the Cowboys and the Celtics.
(03:38):
The difference is we've really come to understand what the
Cowboys are. The Celtics were not there yet. Great special,
elite all time teams are not getting throttled by twenty
four at home and have a five hundred home playoff
record in the last three years. I think a lot
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of this is we have a leader who's unquestionably very good.
We think every time the Celtics have a great player
like a KG or a Bird, they win titles. A
Magic Kobe, shack out West, you win titles. I don't know.
I mean, going into last night, what was Tatum the
(04:20):
third leading score on the Celtics in the playoffs? I
don't know. After the game, Tatum was asked if Celtic
fans are just spoiled.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
I mean, that's the narrative that you might see on TV,
the idea that we have a super team. It's twofold, right.
We didn't have a Coach of the Year, we didn't
have MVP, we only had two All Stars, So I
say we're a super team. But you know, we didn't
get rewarded like we are. We know we got a
good team. We're not perfect. We played it right way
(04:52):
more often than not, and we know we gotta be better.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
I'm not asking for perfection to get rottled at home
by a slightly better than average Eastern Conference team. When
you're a twelve and a half point favorite to be
five hundred at home in the playoffs the last three
years against the Eastern teams, not against the much better
Western teams, as against Eastern teams. Maybe they're just very
(05:19):
good in an era of good. I thought this was interesting.
Perception is a powerful thing, but it's not reality, although
sometimes it becomes reality. Somebody gets paid based on perception.
Those are what we call bad general managers and bad
owners in pro sports. So Jared Goff is a quarterback
(05:43):
for Detroit and Brad Holmes very very shrewd, very smart
GM one of my favorites in the NFL. They've built
a powerhouse. I've said before the Lions are the Niners,
just younger Hall of Fame level talents to me, just
younger by about five years a player. But Brad Holmes
(06:06):
said on Radio Detroit, we are gonna get this golf
extension done.
Speaker 5 (06:13):
He's earned an extension, and it's it's it's important, it's
it's a hot priority for us, and both sides are
working really really hard. But these things just kind of
take a while, especially with the quarterback market. But I
do have faith that it's going to get done.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
But It's interesting how Goff is viewed by the public
and the media and how Tua is Golf should get
the extension. I wouldn't. I wouldn't give two a one
for four reasons. Number one, Golf never gets hurt. Golf's
been to two conference championships and a Super Bowl. Golf
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is the bigger, taller athlete six four to six foot,
and he's less dependent on a single head coach. GoF
is one with two. But Tua went to a college
football power had a cool slogan attached to his name,
Tank for Tua has a brilliant, clever offensive coach, plays
in ideal outdoor weather all the time down South, and
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has the fastest guy in the world as a wide receiver.
But GoF is better and there's no question, and Brad Holmes,
this is a real thing. Sees through the hype Tua.
He's got a lot of snazzy furniture in the house,
the coaches, the wide receivers. But if you take the
snazzy furniture out, what's the house?
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Goff?
Speaker 1 (07:35):
I like the foundation of it. He's taken amor on
Saint Brown and helped make him a star. Seven years,
six playoffs, and I think there's a real thing here.
If you ask the fans, and you ask a lot
of the media, they view these as equal or two
is better. But the sharpest GM one of them in
the NFL. They're getting this thing done fast to a thing.
(07:58):
They're still reluctant. And so two was a little bit
like that Miami speedboat. It's flashy, but it's seasonal. Jared
Goff's the pickup truck. It works in all weather. This
morning I went and looked, and this is a real thing.
We talked about this about two A couple days ago.
I went and found golf and Tua in weather under
(08:20):
forty five degrees that is January February, December. Football golf
ninety passer rating winning record, still a very viable quarterback,
four to one TDed interception ratio. Tua plummets. You got
to give the extensions to the guys that are all terrain,
(08:43):
all weather, the pickup trucks. December, January February, and that
is GoF He's not flashy, he didn't come with a
cool slogan, didn't.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Run around a lot.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Everybody wishes he was a little stronger and heavy, but
the job of the great GMS in basketball and football
is cut through the hype and the fandom and get
to the reel and GoF is really really good. Tua
just depends on the weather. Jay Mac, I know you
(09:18):
don't love that take, but we went digging this morning,
and I think it's interesting because the perception on Tua
on a flashier team. I mean, the Lions are built
mostly behind a great offensive line. They've done a great
job to find running backs, linebackers, tight ends, fourth round receivers.
But once again, Goff, two different coaches, two divisions, two systems,
(09:42):
has gotten two teams to conference championships. He's not quarterback
dependent or weapon dependent. He's winning with Omar on Saint Rohon.
He won with Cooper Cupp, he won with McVeigh. He
wins with Dan Campbell, two systems, multiple coordinators, two divisions,
and he wins again.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Oh boy, quarterback wins to start the show. Oh listen.
Speaker 6 (10:06):
I thought the golf bad weather thing was interesting because
historically he had been bad.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
He's now now he's not as good. He's better in
better weather in adult obviously, but he is more than
viable B plus plus to a plummet.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Sure, Now I did look it up though.
Speaker 6 (10:24):
Early in Golf's career, you know, on his rookie year
at the Rams, he was putrid in poor weather, like
very bad.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Maybe he's gotten better now that he's like.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Well, which should be noted. Yeah, the first year he
had maybe the worst offensive staff in league. Yes, Jeff Fisher,
it was Jeff Fisher, right, Yeah, and that and those numbers.
If you take just those numbers out, it's pretty remarkable
how often he wins a lot and is really really
good all the time.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
So what's his price point?
Speaker 6 (10:50):
It seems, I mean, given he's most so much better
than Doua, is he a forty five million dollars year?
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (10:54):
No, I think you get into the five is the
first number. I think Jared Goff is a top ten quarterback.
I think can get into the five is the first number,
and I'm comfortable with that.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
So golf five, what's the first number for Jordan Love
and Tua?
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Jordan Love I would like to see eight, seven, eight
more starts and then if we have to talk five,
I'm okay with that. Low five.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Golf low five, and Tua I'm not there, not even
in the fours.
Speaker 6 (11:20):
No.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Wow. By the way, if you're in the threes. You're
one of the highest paid humans on the planet. So
the let's not you know, this is not a Tua
can't play at all. Now you can play, I know,
But I'm trying to define the difference between perception and reality.
The perception on golf is low. The reality on Tua
is clear. But yet, what's the story, what's the what's
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the belief?
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Well? Too was sexier, right, he was an MVP.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Candid Defense's motion speed, fast, crazy over there and they
just six yards in Detroit. Six yards in Detroit. Always
make the right throw, keep the quarter of It's not
it's a pickup trucks not not as exhilarating.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
I like that analogy, all right.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Another player pokes Russell Wilson. It never ends. And Luca
won last night. Did you see the stat on Luca?
Do you see the remarkable stat on Luca? That was
the lowest ball usage rate game of the year. Forum,
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And look how good Dallas looked. Isn't that amazing? Less
Luca better, Luca better team? Isn't that interesting?
Speaker 3 (12:36):
It's certainly interesting.
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I'm never gonna criticize athletes who have strong opinions. Try
not to because they're giving us content and we want
them to not be cliche machines. But Russell Wilson, now
a Steeler, formerly a Seahawk and no Broncos, stands alone.
It's so interesting to me. Stands alone. He is the
only star. The production tells you he was a star,
(13:08):
nine time Pro Bowl or two Super Bowls, has a
trophy that's a star. Yet it's hard to find a player,
any player that will publicly ever say anything nice about him.
They poke, they tweak, they criticize. Here's the latest. Chris
Harris twelve year, very very good player, played a lot
of it in Denver. Was on radio recently saying, Hey,
(13:31):
Russell Wilson needs to be a game manager, that's all
he is.
Speaker 7 (13:35):
In Pittsburgh, I think it was a lot of plays
out there that Russ miss and Seana had some great cause,
of course Sean had.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
He had a couple of bad days. You know what
happens as a head coach.
Speaker 7 (13:46):
But I think he had the right schemes, he had
the right place to be able to get these guys
open and to make plays. A lot of times Russ
held the ball a lot, you know, cousin extra sacks,
killing drives, you know, and kind of missing a lot
of big throws.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
You just don't hear players saying that about like stars
that are still playing in the NFL. So maybe some
of it is. Russell Wilson doesn't poke back, so it's
easy to poke him. You won't get any heat back.
But clearly a lot of players see him as robotic, inauthentic.
I say that because they've said that, but it's interesting.
Aaron Rodgers may alienate everybody, but man, he's got a
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lot of guys. He got media people that like him
and cover him and he's their guy. And he's got players.
David Baktiari, great player, Randall Cobb. He's got his guys.
Russell Wilson. Name one guy that's a Russell Wilson guy.
I looked it up this morning. He had a very
small wedding, one hundred people. It was only two players.
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I hadn't heard of one. It's just different. So it's interesting.
We were talking as a team this morning. Russell is
so polished, it's almost like he's been workshopped and focus grouped.
You never see any anger and Brady was, but if
he was pissed, you saw it all the time. And
so and I think the way Denver ended really sums
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up the mystery, or maybe it's not a mystery of
Russell Wilson. So the feeling was in Denver last year.
Yet Russell really cost us. I looked it up. He
was eighth and passer rating ninth in touchdown passes with
no run game. Denver's defense was twenty ninth in the league.
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Couldn't stop a cult twenty ninth, and Russell got the blame.
He wasn't Mahomes. He's pretty good. I watched all their games.
It's pretty good. I mean, they they have a run game.
The defense was terrible. He was almost five hundred. But
who took the blame for Russell Wilson? J Mack with
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a news.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
No no turns. This is the herdline news.
Speaker 6 (16:00):
Oh boy, All right, let's get started with Remember that
story from yesterday about the rookie terry On Arnold who
claimed that the Raiders called him after the draft to
let him know a coin flip determined the Raiders taking
brock Bowers over him at number thirteen.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
We kind of got to laugh. Well, like it wasn't literal. Well,
this is not overy Colin Raiders GM.
Speaker 6 (16:19):
Tom to LESCo addressed the claim he did inject humor
into his answer.
Speaker 8 (16:25):
Typically, I use a magic gateball and not a coin.
But no, you know, part of that draft process, and
we do this really two weeks before the draft, we'll
go through all different scenarios of what could happen in
the first round and how we would react to it
and discuss it.
Speaker 6 (16:37):
So when you're.
Speaker 8 (16:39):
Picking thirteen, you know, there aren't that many scenarios to
go through. So what So obviously we had gone through
the scenario of players being gone and brock Bowers is there,
and we discussed in a small group and if that happened, like, hey,
we're gonna take Brack.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
That's what I was That's what I was told.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
I'm sure this is all accurate.
Speaker 6 (17:01):
Just a couple questions still linger, Why did Antonio Pierce
call this guy after the draft to let him know, sorry,
we didn't take you.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Why would a coach do.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
That, I mean, maybe he wants to just I don't know.
Antonio is a former player. Maybe he feels a kinship
with players. I don't know, he didn't have to.
Speaker 6 (17:18):
Certainly, is it possible that he disagreed with the front
office going offense when he's a defensive guy? Well, is
that why he maybe made the call knowing that this
would leak out and there was some disagreement in the
rad Sounds like Telusco.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
You see hear what he said.
Speaker 6 (17:30):
We discussed it a small group. That doesn't sound like
the war room. Sounds like Teleusco is maybe over the side,
maybe deciding this one.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Yeah, I mean brock Bauers was the choice. Where did
Arnold go in the draft?
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Well twenty something like that?
Speaker 1 (17:46):
In Yeah, the Rams wanted to move up to get
brock Bowers, where historically you don't move up to get
tight ends. Brock Bowers was the smarter choice in an
offensive league, and because of his skill. Remember, if you
go a year ago from today, people had brock Bauers
is the third, fourth or fifth draft pick. He went
down because he got injured. Didn't look quite the same
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though very good. So like if Antonio Pierce wanted the corner,
that would have been a massive overdraft. The first defensive
player didn't go until the Colts at like mid first.
So that's why you can't let coaches. Coaches get emotional
coaches coach GMS GM, you can't have your coach the
best coaches home. Groun dabbled a little too much in
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the front office, had some bad whips in Seattle, big
bad reaches, Belichick, Pete Carroll. It never Andy Reid does
it right. Come to me with a quarterback and I'll
give you my thoughts, but you draft I coach. That's
the way to do it.
Speaker 6 (18:43):
I don't disagree at all. I just want this. This
is just a weird story. We know the Raiders are
a bit of a disaster often it just sounds like
their process and Antonio Pierce, it feels like he's off
to a bit of a rocky start with a head
a new GM.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
No, well, he's in a division with three really really
really good offensive coaches Harball, Reid, and Peyton. He's the
defensive coach and he's the only one without a potential
franchise quarterback. So this is going to be an uphill battle.
The good news actually this week the Raiders got good
news by association the Titans loading up their receiving core
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for Will Levis, which should ensure he looks pretty good.
Means Tennessee may not take a quarterback with their first
pick next year because if you look at the Giants
will want a quarterback. The Raiders will absolutely want a quarterback.
What you want to do is be one of only
two teams, not five. So the Raiders are crossing their
fingers hoping Bryce Young and Will Levis get another shot
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after this year, and both look like they have much
better supporting receiver cast than a year ago.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Yeah, I just wonder about Pierce.
Speaker 6 (19:52):
Remember he was like the defensive coach who fills in
as head coach after they fire the head coach, and was.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Like, oh do we keep him?
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Was this substitute teacher pro sports? The interim football coach.
I had this discussion with Dean Spanos a couple days ago,
the owner of the Chargers, and we talked about interim
coaches because remember they got rid of Brandon Staley, and
I said, you can use an interim coach, but like,
don't do it for more than like three games. You
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get into eight games, you do it at Thanksgiving and
they go in a heater because everybody plays over their
head and then you're stuck hiring interim guy who's interim
for a reason. And so that's why when you fire
a coach. The Chargers waited waited, waited, waited, and at
the end of the year, you can give an assistant
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that you think is really excellent a shot for a
couple of weeks, but be very careful about that. That's
why with Antonio Pierce, they played really hard for him.
They were trying to impress him. That doesn't mean for
the next four years you're going to be able to
outdual Reed Harbond, Sean Paton.
Speaker 6 (20:55):
Yeah, it looked like McDaniels was fired November one, so
Peers had like a long runway, kind of like the
locker room loved and blah blah blah, and you're just
starting to wonder, Yeah, we'll see Raiders next up. Pittsburgh
Steelers surprised the people when they declined Nase Harris's fifth
year option last week. According to the Pittsburgh Post Gazette,
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Nase reportedly asked the team to decline his option so
he could pursue other opportunities in free agency next season. However,
Naji's agent came out and denied that, saying your little
birdie source is a joke. Next time, do your homework
and find a real source. Not true, Mike.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
I wanna tell you this. Russell Wilson may not know this,
but Mike Tomlin needs to win games this year. That
offense between Warren and Harris, those receivers, that tight end.
They addressed their offensive line. I thought, very smartly, they
already have a good defense. I got to see eleven
twelve wins here.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
This is that's not happening.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
This is a very good roster. I thought they had
another excellent draft. Then they get Russell Wilson. Justin Fields
is on a short list with Michael Pennix as the
best backup. I gotta see WC. I don't care how
good the division is. I need twelve.
Speaker 6 (22:15):
I think you'll be luck if they get half that.
Colin six, Collin just remember Russell Wilson. No guarantees beyond
this year, Mike Tomlin, no guarantees beyond this year.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
A lot of TV shatter.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
The over unders eight and a half.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
That's it. I think. I don't know if it's I'm
taking a spot.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
On the I'm just telling you they'd better win more
than that at eight seven or eight. I got real
questions this. This is way too talented a roster.
Speaker 6 (22:39):
But I think the bigger quick. Does Mike Tomlin want
to be there anymore? Is he having fun? Does he
want to stay?
Speaker 1 (22:44):
I don't know, he'd be great in TV. But I
to me, I look at rosters in the NFL. I
have the Steelers on a short list of top five.
I think Niners is up there, Philadelphia is up there.
I mean, we know there's some really Baltimore's up there,
some great roster. Well, Pittsburgh's way up there.
Speaker 6 (23:02):
So it's funny you mentioned that a buddy of mine
Detroit does some NFL breakdowns in the offseason.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
He pointed me to this Mike Clay of ESPN. I
don't know if you're familiar with his work.
Speaker 6 (23:14):
He ranks rosters. I think you'd be stunned who he
has up right near the top. Who tied with the
forty nine ers? Who my AFC East champion Jets. So like,
this is where we are in the offseason. You think
Pittsburgh needs twelve wins, the Jets may have the best
roster in the league.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Like, there's a lot of whacky stuff happening in this NFL.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Season he has the Jets is the second best roster
in the league. Yeah, oh, give me a break.
Speaker 6 (23:41):
Well, I mean the position will break down. Listen, I
want to do this as the story next week.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
How many Jet offensive linemen are starting for?
Speaker 6 (23:47):
Okay, I mean I don't want to go too far
off the topic, but the Jets offensive line is ranked
third in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
That's how good the upgrades were.
Speaker 6 (23:56):
First round pick left tackle Tyron Smith and Logan Mo.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
You're stunned right now. Look, he's got to take a
simpl water. He's so shook. He's like, what is happening here?
All right? Fine, Michael story. We discussed the Anthony Edwards
Jordan stuff.
Speaker 6 (24:11):
Now that ant is uh getting asked about it a lot,
he said in an interview, Edwards called for the comparisons
to stop and express that while he may have a
mix of Michael Jordan and him, Aunt says he's got
a three point shot that Jordan didn't have Nuggets T
Wolves game.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Listen, Well, he's not wrong. Well, Michael, when they moved
a three point shot in for two years, his numbers
went up. Hey, he was like, he's good. In fairness,
Michael didn't work on the three a ton because it
was a different league. So aunt, Now if you don't,
if your aunt and you're a wing player, a great
wing player, you have to have a three or it
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literally reduces you're not only your effectiveness, but just kind
of your legacy. You'd be like, you'd be Carmelo, Like,
can you be that good of a shooter and not
take one step back?
Speaker 3 (25:02):
It's like stubborn.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
So in fairness to Jordan, he was scoring all he
needed to in the mid post, you know, all in
the mid range game. He didn't have to shoot threesoch
he had the Portland famous Portland game.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
But yeah, six threes and a half in the finals,
A shrug. You know, Nuggets, Wolves tonight? Who you got?
I think I saw Wolves favored by four and a half.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
I'm staying away. I think Denver's gonna it's Denver season.
I have a feeling they're gonna get swept. But it's
Denver season. So when games get highly emotional, you know,
like in Blazing five, I don't bet a lot of
TV games. A lot of the games I try to
find are not that Sunday night game, although sometimes it's
just the best number.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Yeah, but when you.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Get into these super charge games the like like tonight,
Denver's gonna play like with the kind of intensity that
they may have not played with all year, and then
it's almost natural for Minnesota to come out a tad flat,
isn't it.
Speaker 6 (25:57):
Well the problem with that, Colin is Denver's getting crushed
in the first half in almost every playoff. Can remember
Lakers were smashing them Timberwolves. The first two games have
showed well in the first half.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (26:08):
I hate to say, this smells to me like another blowout,
and I think at that point, you know, come Monday night.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
I was talking about this with somebody yesterday.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
We're gonna have a lot of about them.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Josh My steps and we were talking about this if
you were building an NBA team for twenty twenty four.
And this is not taking away anything from Aunt or
Chris Finch the coach. I'm just talking the construction of
a team. You look at Minnesota, You'd say, give me
a veteran point guard who's been through the Wars, who
doesn't need to hog the ball, a dynamic two or
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three Aunt two bigs, one that just a fans, the
other that's offensively skilled, multiple great relentless wing defenders. That's Minnesota.
The construct of their roster is so good. Everything you Okay,
let's bring a guy off the bench who's huge energy.
Here comes Nasred. All right, I want a couple of bigs,
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but one kind of creates his own stuff. Oh go bear,
and then one can drop twenty four in any night.
You have a dominant score and and a point guard
who doesn't get in the way high iq. The construction
of Minnesota even makes Denver, smartly constructed, look like a
have not necessaries. It is a perfect roster. I mean,
it's really really a good roster.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
I would say it.
Speaker 6 (27:27):
You know, they basically have the old Warriors way, which
is just length everywhere.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Remember the Warriors had like Clay kd Andre Hud.
Speaker 6 (27:35):
They have great size on the wings. Zough, No, they
you don't need the size. You got the length on
the wings. You could defend multiple positions. Yeah, And like
nobody on Denver can guard Anthony Edwards. They don't have
one guy like they miss Bruce Brown who they had last.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Look they they do. They look almost unathletic in the series.
I mean compared to Minnesota, they look a little unathletic.
They have no dods Reid McDaniel, and you're like, they
just can't can't.
Speaker 6 (28:00):
For Alexander Walker off the bench from Minnesota is like
a long six ' five can guard like two three positions.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
You're like, damn, you know they're well built.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The
Herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Frank Vogel fired crazy. There are a lot of coaches
in America, basketball coaches that make a lot of money
for not coaching. You know, you wonder why these coaches
take jobs even after they've been fired a couple of times.
Why not I don't take a four year deal and
I get fired after one still get the money. Frank Vogels,
(28:37):
he's got a lot of I mean he's he's getting
paid a lot of money for not working over the
last five six years.
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Speaker 1 (29:33):
If you don't know what usage rate is in the NBA,
you're a casual. It means how often do you have
a you know, ball in your hands. And I've said
this about certain players in the NBA. When Luca came out,
I said, I see Mellow and James Harden. His usage
rate is way too high. He'll be exhausted by the
end of the season. And he's a bucket getter, but
I don't know if he's ever going to be a
trophy holder. I was right on Mellow from the first day.
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I got nothing but pushback from fanboy, media and fans,
but I was right. Mello never was compatible with other players.
The guy got insecure about linsanity, and Luca now is
on his third attempt at a teammate. And so Luca's
usage rate all season outrageously high thirty six percent. Last
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night it was twenty four and they won. In fact,
this is interesting. This is what I banged on Harden for.
He's a combination of Harden and Mellow. Are you really
going to get him in shape? Is he really going
to defend? It's my knock on Mellow, my knock on Luca.
Is he in great shape? Is he going to defend?
Or just got a bucket get her? Or is he
going to be hardened? Where he get your buckets? A
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lot of buckets, but he's worn down by the time
the playoffs get there. This year the MAVs, when Luca
had a more reasonable usage rate under thirty percent, they
were eight to Oh. Daddy was right. Uncle Colin nailed it.
He's got the ball too much. He's a commodation of
Mello and Harden. But I will say he is defending
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this year. Not sure he wanted to. He may have
had to because the league swallowed the whistles at the
All Star break. And I'm not skeptical of Luca's talent.
They won last night. I'm skeptical of his compatibility because
as selfish as MJ and Kobe could be, eventually they
could get along with a Pippin and a cur and
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a Gasol and a Shack Kareem Lebron, the trophy guys,
the MJ Magic Bird trophy guys. They could be selfish,
but they were ultimately compatible at some point. That's been
Harden's issue, that is Mellow's issue. And now Luke is
on his third teammate, and again he's better on defense,
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but at some point you have to be because the
league has just said we're gonna let guys play. So
you know, he's a big body. You can lean on
people now and get the break. So I think what
happens is, and we do this all the time. People
come into the league and they're very highly skilled offensively
a Mellow, a Harden or a Luca, and people just
got hypnotized by the style and the points and the
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bucket getters. But do you want to be a trophy
guy or just a bucket getter? Because that's all Mellow
and he's one of the all time great scorers. That's
what Harden is Luca to me is better than that,
and so uh, he talked a Chandler Parson yesterday talked
about sort of the Luca dilemma. It's got to be.
Speaker 10 (32:24):
Pretty exhausted playing with Luca because you just you get
stuck watching him. Your offense gets stagnant because he's so talented,
he's so good offensively that sometimes you do get frustrated
as a teammate because he's taking these long, low percent
step backs. But when you make them, when when he
makes them, it's like, Holy, this guy's unbelievable. But then
when he has a night like he did in Game one,
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it's like, Okay, couldn't we get a better possession here?
But it is on him to take better shots. It
is on him to get his teammate's easy looks. And
then when he is buying on the defensive end, when
you're best player, like Anthony Edwards, is playing both with
playing defense, that fuels your team, that fuels your locker room.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
All right. In Phoenix, Frank Vogel got fired and he's
got a title and he got fired. So KD is
kind of running out of coaches here. It will be
the second straight coach because they're going to hire Mike Budenholzer.
So Vogel had to tire a title. It didn't work
with KD. Let's see if Budenholzer works with KD because
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he got a title too. So it's interesting over the
last five years listening to this Jmac, over the last
five years, KD has been swept in the playoffs more
than winning a series in the playoffs. That's bad. So
I think if you look at kd's career, there is
a clear line. There's the first twelve years Seattle briefly
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OKC and the Warriors, and that's titles, and that's toe
to toe with Lebron is the best player in the world.
And then there's the last four He's just a guy.
That's course twenty seven to twenty eight, just a score.
And I think it all comes down to one decision
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is that he bailed on Steve Kerr and Steph Curry
and he has never found his next star and his
next coach. So coaching does matter in the NBA, and
co stars matter. And when he left Golden State, I
didn't want to hear about wandering. I don't want to
hear about you know, he's a different cat you don't
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leave Mahomes and Andy Reid if you're a wide receiver
Tyreek Hill making a lot of catches. Let's be honest,
they're just not relevant. Kansas City remains relevant. Reid Mahomes
are winning without him, and so I think when Tyreek
left there was a lot of this, Hey, he's getting
his be very careful and even more so in the
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NBA because you know, people often say coaching is sort
of nebulous. I mean, what is We all know coaching
in football matters a lot, high school, college pro in
basketball at Mats or some you know, Vogel got fired,
there's a lot of you know, discussion about the defense
was too complicated, Beal didn't buy in book or so
so whatever it is. But I think you really when
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you look at Kevin's career, there is now an absolute
line with it is he was a toe to toe
Alzheimer and now he's just he just scores. And Nick
Wright talked about it this week.
Speaker 11 (35:28):
The fact that Kevin Durant is going to go through
this half decade of his career not seeing a conference finals,
when the first decade of his career he lived in
the conference and NBA finals is bizarre.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
And when you.
Speaker 11 (35:45):
Put pen to paper, if you are talking all of
NBA history, Kevin Durant is far closer to twenty than
to ten, which five years ago would have been unfathomable.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Yeah, he was, he was. I mean, there were a
lot of people arguing when he was winning MVP in
the finals he was better than Lebron. I didn't buy it.
I thought he was second clearly, maybe third, But that
was the discussion. It would be like if Josh Allen
just became a guy, you know, two for touchdown, like
we've had this kind of Allen's the greater all time talent.
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Mahomes is great winning, but it's always been like, well,
I mean, you know, if the next four years you're like, yeah,
Josh Allen, you know, they get they get loose in
the first round of the playoffs, you'd be like that,
what happened that that that's not good. So it's like
you think these things are cemented. But if Brady, you know,
I mean, if Brady didn't have that second I mean,
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what really defined Tom Brady wasn't the first run because
it was thought of his Belichick and defense, and he
didn't win with Randy Moss and Wes Welker. What really
defined Brady was the tail end of his career, which
has not gone well for KD. It's souring his legacy.
If you look at Tom, if he'd a retired, you know,
like normal guys do, like thirty eight or something, you
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wouldn't have gotten that second big chunk in New England
and in Tampa or whatever, how old he was, thirty
five whatever. It was the first Super Bowls and the
Moss years when he was breaking records, he would have
just been a guy that was, Hey, got a couple
of super Bowls all of a year with Moss. What
defined him was the end of his career. It's it's
the Tampa year that really was the exclamation point on
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this guy's probably the goat. Oh it was a Tampa
and wins. He is the goat. You can't even talk,
you know, that's the goat. So you think that your
your legacy is cemented, Well, I mean, guy Kevin Durant.
If Kevin plays four more years and it looks like this,
it really becomes Yeah, Steph Curry really is the only
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time he won. So the idea that it's cemented, no,
Lebron's is cemented, but Kad's wasn't. What if he plays
four more years, which is reasonable, and it's just more
of this stuff Budenholzer doesn't work. Phoenix gets knocked out
by Better Minnesota. Okay, Denver, you look at it and
you're like, he's a guy you scored a lot.
Speaker 6 (38:03):
I had to look this up, Colin. Since leaving Golden State,
Kevin Durant has had six different head.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
Coaches and he has two playoff series wins.
Speaker 6 (38:13):
Six different head coaches. So all we heard, oh Lebron's
running off coach is left and right. He's the worst
thing in the world. Kevin Durant had six coaches and
that's four seasons plus the season he missed with the Achilles.
This idea that Kevin Durant is like not a great player,
I don't know that it's that he's not a great
player anymore.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
No, we know he's a great player. We're talking legacy, right,
and so.
Speaker 6 (38:37):
I could improve as your career goes on, right, Well,
just to grow as a player in a person.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Let's say Mahomes over the next ten years won only
one Super Bowl. I think you would largely say he
defined himself for a five to six year period as
the greatest we've ever seen at the position in terms
of talent. But he can never duplicate Tom, which would
be okay. To Tom's record, it's like a sixty it's
like a fifty six game hitting streak in baseball. It
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just doesn't make any sense. Historically, people don't hit for
fifty six straight games in baseball, and you get somebody
that does it. And Tom's career doesn't even look like
I mean, Far played forever, Warren Moon played forever. It's
not supposed to look like Brady. You keep winning super
Bowls at the very end of your career in your
mid forties. But I think Kevin will be defined as
a great all time player. But we kind of thought
it was formed. He was a top tenor, and it's like, no,
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it's it's it's gone sideways. There's a lot of these guys.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
You'd say, one thing I want to push back on.
Speaker 6 (39:31):
You said, you know he he left Steve Kerr and
Steph Curry.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
How much did Draymond run him out of there?
Speaker 1 (39:39):
Draymond didn't run him out. Draymond ran Jordan Pool out. Well,
we punched Jordan Pool out.
Speaker 6 (39:46):
We know that he kind of was not friendly and
warmed to Kevin Durant. We know that, we've seen the videos.
In the huddle, Durant has alluded to it, well like I.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
Don't know that.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
I mean, he the Warriors won pre KDM post KJD.
He wasn't.
Speaker 6 (39:58):
He was.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
All he was is, Hey, come on, tough en up.
We won before you. We're gonna win after you. You've
got to be able to handle that. I mean, you
can't be like by the way, those are the discussions.
Guys have an NFL locker rooms every day. You got
to be able to handle a little bit of that.
You make thirty forty million bucks a year. Not everybody's
gonna be warm and fuzzy every day at practice. I mean,
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