March 25, 2025 • 43 mins
Colin compares and contrasts Luka Doncic and LeBron James and points out why the Lakers have been struggling as LeBron returns from a groin injury
He believes Aaron Rodgers is waiting to make a decision on where he'll play in 2025 in hopes to eventually land with the 49ers
Thoughts on Rams WR Puka Nacua saying he will retire at the age of 30
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Here we go.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
It is a Tuesday, a lot to talk about live
in Los Angeles. It's The Herd. Wherever you may be
and however you may be listening. Thanks for making us
part of your dad. We're thinking about this coming in
in what we do for a living. Whenever there's like
a big trade or like the NFL Draft, everybody's always
Jmax saying this team won the trade, this team lost.
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And the biggest trade in recent memory is Luca to
the Lakers for Ad.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
And there's a feeling is.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Dallas will be terrible and the Lakers will win several titles.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
But they would not have traded Luca.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
If he was in great shape and was an unbelievable defender,
well then he'd be Lebron.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
You wouldn't trade him.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
They traded him for a reason because they saw holes
in his game, which, by the way, he'd missed the
last two camps. He had multiple injuries. So here's what's interesting.
When Lebron leaves, they comes back and he's not at
one hundred percent, Lakers are trash. That's funny because Lebron,
even way past his prime. Lebron has won without AD,
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has won without Austin Rivers, and one without Luca, one
with bad coaches. But Luca, without Lebron or Lebron at
one hundred percent, Lakers get throttled by bad teams. Why
is that? That's why Dallas let him go? And I
wouldn't have but this idea that Luca was like Lebron,
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elite defender, elite leader, elite offensive player, elevated, everybody build
a franchise around him, no flaws. That's not what Luca is,
and you're seeing it here is Luca without Lebron, they've
lost seven of ten. Or Luca now with Lebron not
quite in game shape, not quite at one hundred percent,
they're getting throttled by bad teams. And this has always
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been my several year argument. If your company doesn't re
sign you, even if you're talented, they see a hole
in your game. This is why I argued for years
Carmelo Anthony's a great all time player, Hall of Famer,
didn't elevate teammates, didn't play defense. Luca is a much
better version of Carmelo. By the way, Carmelo and Dominique,
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Wilkins and Luca great scores. None of them defend at
that level. Kobe and MJ are great scores. They had
a different mindset, and you're gonna get points with Luca defense.
Forget about it elevating everybody. He'll elevate some players, he'll
take the ball away from others. Lebron's also a great
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on court coach and leaders. Talking is often barking at
refs or trash talking, and by the way, that's part
of basketball's culture. It doesn't bother me. But Lebron talking
and Luca talking are two different things. I mean, JJ
Reddick has complained multiple times, Yeah, we don't communicate when
Lebron's out. Well, isn't that where Lucas should step in.
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Luca's game is much more individualists, you know, he is
much more an individual star, more of a lead singer
in a band who can occasionally step back, you know,
and and let the bass player have his moment, but
he's a lead singer. Lebron's always been more magic than
Michael or Kobe. He's much more an orchestra leader, elevating everybody,
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much more magic, stepping back, making sure there's a rhythm
and spacing. Lebron isn't a trash talker Luca is. Lebron
doesn't spend a lot of time barking at refs Luca does.
Lebron moves furiously without the ball at time, Luca doesn't.
Lebron defends Luca has very little interest, more of a
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hobby than a vocation.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
And that is not to say Lucas not great.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
But if you're at a company and they're like, yeah,
we're gonna we're gonna move on, it's not always the
company was wrong. Again, I'll make this argument. Charles Barklay's
made it. When Dallas is totally healthy, probably next year
they have a chance to get to the finals a
d I mean, Kyrie, even Max Christie can play a
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center rotation the kid out of Duke the minute. Lebron's
not around the minute. Lebron's not at one hundred percent.
What's JJ Reddick complain about? We don't communicate. We don't
rotate as well well they do when Lebron's there and
Luca's not. And this is the difference. Maybe this is
just the difference between like MJ and Barkley. You know,
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one was always in great shape. One defended. They both
scored a lot of points. But there is a gap
between all time Lebron and all time Luca. Don't kid yourself.
There is a major gap. And they've lost three of
they've won three of ten, and this is not one
hundred percent Lebron. So again, the way we do it
in sports, this team got nothing in return, and this
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team got the greatest player of all time.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
But it is interesting.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
In the last ten games, seven no Lebron, and now
you're getting you know, a guy who missed a couple
of weeks. He's acknowledging he's not quite right defensively, not
quite right cardio wise. They're not very good. And here's
JJ Reddick after losing to Orlando last night. I don't know,
we just like we look tired, and I don't know
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what contributes to that. That happens periodically throughout a season
where the group gets tired.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
That's what it feels like right now.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
No, when they don't look tired is when Lebron is playing,
not injured one hundred percent. You never hear that the
other team looks flat, doesn't communicate looks tired. When Lebron's
not at one hundred percent and the Lakers look tired
and can't beat Orlando. It's funny how that works, isn't it.
So this is something I talked about yesterday on the show,
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and I don't think it's a conspiracy theory. It is
easy right now to rip Aaron Rodgers. What is he
making people wait for? So yesterday I brought this up
on the show, is that I think Aaron's too smart
to look at Pittsburgh and go this is perfect. He
flew there to the Steelers and he didn't leave with
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a contract. Now he may sign by the end of
this rant, but he didn't sign for the great Pittsburgh Steelers.
And Albert Breer had a story today that Aaron Rodgers
is telling friends. We talked about this yesterday. He's looking
for a better call culture. He looked at Green Bay
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and realizes not only a good culture, but an offensive culture.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
And this is what I said.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
I think Aaron Rodgers is sitting around for a couple
of weeks, and I think he's right waiting on the
Niners Brock party. I don't think the Niners are going
to pay Brock pretty fifty nine million a year, and that,
according to his agent, is what he wants. And I
can't believe I'm saying this, but Aaron needs to go
in another darkness retreat. Aaron needs to hide, avoid commitment,
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plan an excursion. Call your travel agent if people use
those anymore. The Steelers as fools goal Tomlin can't figure
out the offense. It's been seven years, forget about it,
and fifty nine.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Listen to this.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
It was sixty sixty year before fifty nine quarterbacks played
last year. There will be opportunities. You could argue Kirk
Cousins should have waited last year until after the draft
and not gone to Atlanta. But he signed in March
and the Atlanta draft a quarterback. Is it the worst
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thing in the world for Aaron to not sign wait
on the draft, see how the dominoes fall. And somebody
could go, guys, we didn't get a quarterback. We're in
trouble here now. Now, I think you can fairly say,
and this isn't really a criticism of farv and Aaron Rodgers.
I mean, green Bay's pretty small and sleepy. Is that
maybe they didn't appreciate it. Grass is greener, you know,
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friendly media, good organization. That's not a real criticist. I
could see somebody playing for fifteen years in Green Bay
and thinking, man, I'm kind of jealous of those New York,
La San Francisco, you know, big city teams.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
I get that.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
That's not a criticism, but I'm not given brought pretty
fifty eight million dollars. In one of the reasons, I've
said this before on the show, if you wonder if
you're making a great move, you could be a TV executive.
You could be an NFL general manager. If you are
about to make a big move, what does your rival think?
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And you know who would be okay with Purty getting
sick tea million a year. Sean McVay, he'd be really
okay with that, with his young defense, little Brock Purty,
not a big arm Brock party. Sean McVay would be
just fine having Matt Stafford for two more years. And
they're locked in on a sixty million dollar a year
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Brock Purty deal. So it's you know, I just look at.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
This whole thing.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Is that Aaron multiple reports said he really wanted the
Vikings offer why because of Kevin O'Connell. It wasn't the receiver,
it was Kevin O'Connell offensive coach Aaron last year, in
his last ten starts, do you realize this, with arguably
the worst coaching staff in the league, certainly the worst
offensive coaching staff in the league and a mediocre O
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line had more touchdown passes in a higher passer rating
than Brock Purty with Kyle Shanahan. I honestly think, and again,
he could sign with Pittchburg today.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
I know you don't have to like Aaron.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
You can be resentful about his vaccine status and is whatever,
but he's not a dummy. And when you see those
pictures in Malibu when he's listening to stuff, I think
he's sitting there thinking Minnesota would have been great. I
know the division, I love the coach, I love their weapons.
O line got upgraded significantly in Minnesota in the offseason.
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I think he looks at Pittsburgh and so much of
it sounds good. Steelers defense Mike Tomlin battle line lost
their left tackle two high maintenance wide receivers spend more
money on defense than anybody in the league. Is that
really a great fitnes? Does Aaron feel like a Pittsburgh guy.
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He loves Malibu and he loves New York and if
the Giants were humming, he'd probably sign there. But this
Albert Breer story that Aaron is talking to people like
he wants the organization is key, not just the personnel.
And I think once Minnesota said no, thanks, San Francisco's
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something to keep your eye on again. Kirk Cousins signed
in March. He would not have signed with Atlanta in
April late April after the Panics, they.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Wouldn't have signed there. Kirk Cousins now is looking.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
For a new team. Aaron could think, well, what if
I signed blank? What if I signed with Pittsburgh and
all of a sudden somebody falls and they end up
picking a quarterback mid to late first round Jackson Dart.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
What am I doing here?
Speaker 1 (11:27):
I'm just I'm saying I'm not advocating for in season ayahuasca,
but another darkness retreat is not a terrible idea for
Aaron Rodgers. Take a deep.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Breath, go hide for a while. So Jay Mac.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
I'm still I don't mean to gloat, but fifteen of
sixteen teams left in the tournament. I couldn't sleep last night.
I just had I had tom Izzode, you know, in
my sleep last night. Very excited.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Then let's not get into that.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
Yeah, yeah, let's go back to Aaron Rodgers. I got
this sat from a Jets fan.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Are you ready?
Speaker 4 (11:59):
So Aaron Rodgers had the second most passing yards of
any quarterback in the league in the fourth quarter. And
know those weren't clutch comebacks, those who are basically the
Jets getting buried after three quarters and Rogers just stat padding.
So I know you're pumped up about those final ten games,
but thirty one percent of his yards, thirty one percent
of his touchdowns came in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Well, you know, when you're old, those bones take a
couple of quarters to warm up.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
Yeah, excuse his excuses. I love it.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
So there is it possible that there is an unsolvable
problem and every league has one and all go over
him coming up next? Every league has one unsolvable problem?
Is that it's just baked in, embedded in the sport.
Does the NBA have a tanking issue and there's nothing
they can do about it, and I'll talk about that next.
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Speaker 1 (13:09):
All right, welcome back, Nick Wright. One hour from now,
about fifty minutes actually from now. So there was a story.
You know, there's been a lot of talk about load
management in the NBA. Here's the good news. The young
players like Sga Tatum and those guys like to play.
They play every night. So a lot of the old
school guys Lebron's gonna take some time off ad for injuries,
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can take time off, but the young guys mostly like
to play. Janis will take time off. Bigger guy body
falls apart a little bit. Dame can take night. Of
young guys want to play. Tatum wants to play, Jalen
Brown and those guys want to play. But there is
the other issue that we talked about yesterday. Late season tanking.
So I looked at the Pelicans and Sixers played last night.
The starting lineups, they're embarrassing. I mean I would not
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watch them play if they were playing in my backyard.
I mean, it was just like just a bunch of nonsense.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
And I think the.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
League has tried to fix it by flattening the lottery odds,
so tanking won't help you, so you can have the
worst record and not get the number one pick. So
the league has really tried to do this. I think
load management David Stern solved it with fines, and I
think a lot of these young guys want to play
more games, so I think load management's bad. But I
think you can tweak it.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
They did this year. They tweaked it.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
You don't win certain awards unless you play over sixty
five games. I think that's been helpful. I don't think
you can solve the tanking thing.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
And it's hurting the ratings.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
There's no question the quality of basketball in the NBA
march on from the non playoff teams is garbage. It's
turning off fans and hurting the ratings. And maybe it's
just this. Every sport has an unsolvable issue. The NFL
has violence and players get hurt sometime seriously, and there's
concussions and they've tried to end them. They can't totally hockey.
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Most of us didn't play, we didn't play as kids.
We're not connected to it. It feels like Canada sport baseball.
There's really no urgency because the season's so until like
late September and October. And in the NBA in basketball,
and we know this and it's the same and international soccer.
If you get a superstar, it changes everything in one year.
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I mean, I was just watching Celtic City, the Bill
Simmons Project. I watched two episodes last night. Episode three,
loved it, and then episode four with Larry Bird.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
They were bad. Larry Bird arrives, they were good.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
It was that fast, and so I think it's also
just part of the basketball culture, from AAU to college
to the NBA. Go get the guy, you win immediately.
And in basketball it's different because you can spot the
next great basketball prodigy at fourteen years old. Go google
when Wemby was first spotted, or Luca was spotted, or
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Lebron was first spotted. It's fourteen, fifteen years old. Cooper
Flag two years ago, well, let's say one year ago,
he was about sixteen, seventeen years old. Everybody's like, oh,
that'll be the number one guy. That's not the case
in football. Who are you tanking for? The three best
players in the league are Mahomes, Josh Allen and arguably
Lamar Jackson. They went to second tier football schools. They
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didn't get drafted number one. They had doubters all the
way through. College football is more about even when you're great.
We've seen Patrick Mahomes get blown out in two Super Bowls.
Why left tackles bad Cleveland? When Lebron showed up. He
was scoring twenty five to nine as a rookie for
a horrible Cleveland franchise. He was still a star on
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both ends of the floor. So my take is Cooper
Flag now is seventeen. People have known for the last
year minimum, get Cooper Flag. That's the guy, and so
teams can plan two and three years out. I mean
there was Wemby talk three years ago. San Antonio's like
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suddenly started letting players go. Remember they didn't re sign
like it.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Do Jon Day Murray or something.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Why why wouldn't they re sign him? They wanted Wemby
and Papovich wasn't geta get fired. So I do think
to some degree this is an unsolvable problem. I think
load management. I think the NBA has done things like
you got to play sixty five games so you don't
win awards. I think the young players have seen that
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and aunt SGA, Jason Tatum. Simmons talked about this yesterday.
Jason Tatum, he's the first of the arena, last to leave.
He likes to play. It's been Tatum season.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
He's the best guy in the team, and other than
SGA and Jokic, she's been the most day to day
impactful guy in the league.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
And he's really durable, which I think, you know, both of.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
Us have criticized NBA players for you play sixty five
games and you call it a season, and you take
like little sabbaticals or you leave or your nurse injuries.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Tatum's out there all the time.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
I've said this. I've gone to see Tatum play four times,
never in Boston. First guy on the floor two hours
before tip off, working on his jumper. So it was
shocking last night. Tatum tweak his ankle yesterday, which was
shocking because he's so durable, and he plays both ends
of the floor, and so I think you can work
your way around load management. I do not think in
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basketball you can work your way around tanking. Find us.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
It doesn't. We get Wemby.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
We're gonna make He'll make the franchise where two billion
more dollars? Go ahead, find me. Find me fifty million
dollars as an owner? Go ahead, go ahead, find me. Well,
what was Lebron worth for the Cavaliers? Two billion dollars minimum?
You can't find teams enough that tank owners don't care.
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If I you know, I buy a team for two
billion dollars, it'll be worth eight over the next decade.
Go ahead, find me.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
What do I care?
Speaker 1 (18:54):
I want Wemby, I want Cooper flag J Mack with a.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
News no, no turn on the news. This is the
herd line news.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
I think we probably agreed. Tanking doesn't work. NFL, NBA.
Remember when the Eagles pulled their theirs, their quarterback at
like halftime of a game. Their coach it was it
was the coach before Siriani, Doug Peterson. He caught so
much heat for that. But you tank can keep a
pick NBA. Happens all the time.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Yeah, Andrew Luck with the Colts, I'm pro tanking.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
I don't know about you.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Yeah, I mean I think I wouldn't say I'm pro tanking,
but I do think there are times when you have
generational talent that I mean, I mean, there are certain
talents like they were talking about Luke and Wemby when
they were fourteen years old, you know, I mean that
we looked it up this morning, like so and Lebron
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was fifteen. Bryce Harper, everybody knew Bryce Harper in high
school at Bishop Gorman High School in Las Vegas. He
was sixteen in sports ullustrated.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
You do what you have to do to get him.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
Yeah, let's talk about Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Colin.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
I mean, listen, we haven't said much about him in
the offseason. He's still with Atlanta, He's not gonna be
the starter, and he wants out. However, reports are saying
Cousins will not wave his no trade clause until after
the draft, despite the Falcon shopping him. So it's pretty
clear Kirk was to see how the dust settles. Who
gets shador. We know cam Ward is going to the
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Titans one and Kirk Cousins is probably gonna say, fine,
wave my clause so I can go to X team
where I could probably be the starter. It seems like
though we're down to the Browns, the Giants, and the Steelers.
Those are the only three teams. The Jets clearly made
a promise to Justin Fields that he's our guy.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Yeah, I think Kirk is playing it smart here. And
this goes back to my Aaron Rodgers thing. What's the hurry?
Pittsburgh's really a great fit for Malibu guy. Pittsburgh defensive culture, Like,
I think Aaron Rodgers is too smart to make a
really dumb decision. And I don't care about DK Metcalf.
That's not why I'm going to go to a team
because I like a wide receiver you roll on ankle.
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You don't have DK Metcalf. That's not why I'm going
to a team. And no, I think listen when you
get it. It's one thing if you're in the prime
of your career or you're a young but when you're
at the end of your career, you should be pick here.
Aaron should be pick Kirk. Cousins and Aaron have three
hundred million dollars, what's the point of playing and getting hurt.
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Like as you get older and have more money, you
have more leverage because you have less options, but less
need to build a legacy or build your bank account.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
So why not we and for the Falcons, you know
you could get a win. You don't want to wish,
But like a quarterback somewhere gets hurt in the offseason,
he's gonna be out until December's bringing to Kirk Cousins.
And now you trained for him. You got to give
up some draft capital. But Kirk Cousins, I would agree
playing it's smart here Colin, it's crazy. Two years ago
he was with Minnesota and they hosted a home playoff game.
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Remember how good he was. They lost to the Giants,
and then he the Achilles and now he's a backup
and it's just say, oh man, it's just tough go
for Kirk Cousins. Let's get to the next story, and
that is the vikings at Aaron Rodgers. Rumors seem to
be over, but it doesn't mean they've crowned JJ McCarthy
the new king of the North just yet. Take a
listen to McCarthy talking about the starting QB job.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
We as a fan base or even media found out
like you're the guy v the guy recently?
Speaker 2 (22:15):
When did you know?
Speaker 4 (22:16):
When did they tell you or when was that message
to you?
Speaker 6 (22:20):
They haven't told me. I'm happy they didn't because I
tried to Aaron it every single day and I never
want that to be given to me, and it's such
a privilege and opportunity to give that, give me that chance,
and I'm just going to make the most of it.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
It's a good attitude, answered answer, young quarterback saying all
the right things.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
You know he's going to be the guy, but he's said, hey,
nothing's given to me.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
I kind of liked that, kind of like that attitude,
you know, one of us.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
Here on this set, like Tim at Michigan a lot.
Remember when I had him in my mock draft top
dead and you kind of sort of scoped.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
O you you you a year before the draft you
went on some sort of weird campaign for JJ McCarthy
and I said, it'd be nice if he ever liked
through thirty times in one game, or if you played
from behind or you know, occasionally played under duress without
a great run game and a great coach. It had
a very Bama quarterback feel, like I got sabing a
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run game, a lead. But I will say when he
did play in the preseason, I liked what I saw.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
Well, you remember that playoff game against Alabama. I think
he almost threw a pick on like the second pass
of the game. Yes, and I was like, oh, JJ,
bro don't do this. And then he rebounded. He had
rally to victory. He was very good. I'm just saying
Kevin O'Connell can make quarterbacks pretty awesome. Yeah, I think
there's huge upside. They're my sleeper in the NFC if
you could win year.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
And most of these horrorball Michigan recruits, I like him.
They had the right mindset, like the School of hard
Knocks with Jim Harball. Like I'm trying to think of
any Michigan guy in recent memory. I didn't like now
Blake Korham didn't do anything for the Rams, but he
got he broke his wrist or something banged.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
It was weird that he didn't play more.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
But you know, there is some value. And I like
Alabama players coming out mostly because they've been hard coached
by Saban and most of Harbaugh's guys like JJ McCarthy
got hard coaching and like you have to mean Jim's
not gonna suffer fool. So you know JJ is a
hard worker, he's a focus kid, he's smart, because Harball
wouldn't have a quarterback.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
That's not final story is the New York Giants have
signed Jameis Winston. That happened over the weekend. But here's
the interesting thing. They are sitting on the third pick
and would you guess who the betting favorite is to
go third overall? And that is Shadoor Sanders plus one
oh five. Now, you and I I don't see how
the Browns don't take Shador. It does not make sense
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at all. So I'm personally not buying this. And just
to be clear, you can't get down huge, but you
can't go bet six figures on this right now at anywhere.
They just won't let you because you probably have inside info.
So I'm still gonna say Shdor goes two to the Browns.
I don't see how they pass up.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Well, he's not going lower than three, and it would
be a big mistake. Yeah, yea, yeah, I will. I'm
going to talk about this more today. I do not
understand the Chaudeur Sanders shade. And I'll get into this
more today. I think people are making I think people
are overthinking the room. I think he's going to be
really good as a pro I'm gonna talk about this
more later.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
Well, where he goes matters. If he goes to Dabo
or Stefanski, I think it's win win.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Colorado was a horrible old o line trailing and no
run game, and he completed seventy four percent of his throws.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
You can't look yourself in the mirror and say I
thought JJ McCarthy was a better pro prospect than Shad
or Sanders. He was not, absolutely not. So there was
a better quarterback now I'm McCarthy. I totally agree with
McCarthy's just toolsy. He's got size.
Speaker 6 (25:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Yeah, no, I totally agree, And that's not an anti
JJ McCarthy. I think Shaduur is a really good prospect.
Is he a great prospect? No, but he's a really
good part to come. Yeah, like a one every seven years.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
I like cam Ward Is he a great prospect? I
don't think so he's great?
Speaker 1 (25:54):
No, I don't.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
Caleb Williams great prospect.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Great prospect?
Speaker 7 (25:58):
Right?
Speaker 1 (25:58):
J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
You know it's funny you have kids, and all my
kids now except one, are in their twenties, and so
they go on job interviews, and you know, I've talked
to my kids about this, like there's certain things. You know,
I'm not going to tell you. I'm not gonna helicopter parent,
but you know I'll tell my daughter. Yeah, you probably
don't want to bring up vacation time on your first interview.
(26:26):
I have a company fifty employees, growing fast. If you're
asking about that in the first five minutes, you're probably
not built for my company. I like grinders. Sorry, there
are things you just don't say in life. Even though
you think them, you may not want to say them.
And this was a moment yesterday. It's not the end
of the world. But football is the ultimate team sport.
(26:49):
It is the ultimate team sport. Everybody plays her, everybody
plays her. You grab that rope, and if there's one
loose grip on that rope, it can screw up the
whole team. One guy not committed. And I heard Pokin
Nakua yesterday at twenty three years old, say this, and
(27:11):
I didn't love it.
Speaker 8 (27:13):
I want to retire at the age of thirty. I'm
twenty three right now, I'm going into year three, so
like ten years, it wouldn't even be ten years. It'd
be like maybe seven or eight. But like ad I
think of Aaron Donald like man like he to go
out at the top. I think it would be super cool.
Hopefully like the rest of our career will go healthy.
But I like, man, you have shoulder surgery, you have
knee surgery, you have ankle and be like yo, Like
(27:33):
by the time my kids could be eighteen, I'm like,
I could be very walking if I like, if you
play the game and like you sustain all the injuries.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Don't love it.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
You know, when Trevor Lawrence said, I'm not defined by football,
it doesn't speak necessarily for me. And my thought was, well,
that that says a lot NFL general managers. Here's a
little secret. They're not looking for work life balance. They're not.
They don't care. They want you to be Kobe, they
(28:04):
want you to be obsessed, they want you to be Brady,
they want you to be Lamar Jackson. They don't want
work life balance. And I think it actually puts a
light on Pooka. What if next year, he's got more
than more than a few drops. Is that guy committed?
Is he putting in the time he misses a couple
games in a row. Oh, maybe he's just protecting his
(28:24):
body over team. You introduce questions you don't need to introduce.
And I know most of you young media, you're all
pro player. Oh the humanity of it. Nobody's looking for humanity.
They're looking for eighteen nineteen games, one hundred and twenty
catches playing hurt. That's what they're looking for. You ever
watch the show Survivor? You ever watch that show? Who
(28:45):
are the people that unravel first on Survival? They miss
their bed, they miss their friends, and you don't root
for them. You view them as soft. You root when
you watch Survivor for the people that are totally obsessed,
really want to win.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
They're all in.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
That's what you want to see win. And again, it's
not the end of the world. But you start talking retirement.
This has been said for years, and you're already there.
You go back and look at Aaron Rodgers twenty twenty three,
Green Bay quoted, I'm ninety percent into retirement. He's never
been great since Big Ben started talking retirement. Late Pittsburgh.
(29:25):
It ended poorly. You can think about it, you can
financially plan for it. I wouldn't discuss it. People are
not looking for work life balance. They want their player.
I mean, again, the NFL is a team sport. As
great as Mahomes is two Super Bowls doesn't have the
right left tackle humiliated. You gotta play hurt. This is
(29:48):
not baseball. There's a game tomorrow, there's not there's not
a game for six months. Play hurt my growin, Yeah,
get over it. Everybody's hurts. So it's it's one of
those things. And by the way, Pooka's impact on the right,
I mean, they're very good with him, they're not good
without him. But in two years, by the way, if
you're sitting there on the draft board and you're thinking,
(30:09):
you know what, maybe time to go first round wide receiver,
if anything, it could hurt your leverage. So sometimes you
just got to keep things to yourself. And talking about
retirement at twenty three. I don't love it. Aaron started
talking about it four years ago, and I think green
(30:30):
Bay said, well that Jordan loved draft pick was pretty
smart after all, right, because if he talked about it publicly,
in twenty twenty three, then you knew he had talked
about it privately, probably in twenty twenty one or twenty
twenty two. Because people talk privately about stuff before they
go public with stuff. They practice it on their wives
or their friends, they see their reaction from their family.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
So it's not the end of the world.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
But I don't love it because I talked to general
managers all the time and they're not looking for they're
not looking for work life balance. Nobody's interested in that.
They want you to be obsessed. Well that's not healthy.
Well it's football. It's not that healthy to begin with.
You're getting tackled by the strongest men on the planet.
It's not that healthy. If again, protein shakes and play
(31:17):
through paid and plyometrics play through it, it's not the
end of the world. But I don't I don't love
when when Trevor Lawrence says I'm not defined by football.
Actually that comment sort of defined you. You're not obsessed
by it. I know the young media stallions never comfortable
with this topic.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
Sorry, Colin not you not your best work there. I'm
a huge fan of that take. You're going to catch
some heat from the staff online. You know the creatines
online that are savages. Like if you could retire at
thirty as a millionaire and not take hits to the
head deep into your thirty pep, don't you do that?
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Yeah, that's a no brainer. Yeah, And what did I
say to Strant? Keep it to yourself. Don't advertise it,
don't tell everybody in the room, your GM, your teammates, guys,
I'm putting away a lot of money. I am out
of here. Just don't tell. When you're interviewing for a job,
what's my vacation time? You can want six weeks, you'll
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probably get three or four. Don't advertise it, don't talk
about it. You don't have to put every meal on Twitter.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
You know you don't have to put.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
Everything on Twitter. You want them to lie in these.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Media absolutely all you think I tell before I negotiate
with Fox everything I'm thinking. You think they're telling me
everything they're thinking. Probably my age starts with a six.
You think they're telling me everything. You can keep secrets.
That doesn't mean it's all sinister. You don't tell everybody everything.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
It's not that.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
I mean, listen, here's how you keep.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Your job in the NFL, winning and by the way
as a general manager, they all tell me this, They're
already looking three drafts down the road. You think the
Rams are just worried about this draft. They're looking at
next year's quarterback draft because Stafford interesting. But by the way,
the Rams know the best freshman quarterbacks in college football.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
They are three years.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
I remember one time I ran into the ex president
of ESPN, George Bodenheimer, in the parking lot years ago.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
I think I've told this story before and George I.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Was talking about some plans I had, and George said, oh,
I've got a five and a ten year plan. I said,
how can you have a ten year plan? He goes,
I know every right available over the next decade. You
think these networks are just making it up? Do you
think they're advertising it? No? Okay, before companies let go
of three hundred people, it often catches people by surprise.
(33:48):
Why you don't think they knew about it six months out?
Of course they did. I can remember being I can
remember being told a secret a decade ago by somebody
in management. He said, you can never tell anybody this,
and it was it's a term now that's that's used
a lot. That's overused. But this manager said at the
other place, he was just this community. We were having
(34:10):
a beer and I was, you know, we were having
a beer. He's one of my friends. He said, just
just don't mention this word ever, like, don't mention it.
And I said, why he goes, because it's all we
talk about in our senior advisory.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Keep it to yourself.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
At the same time, don't you think it helps the
teams prepare for as of like Andrew look cut them fly?
The Colts were not ready. They've been in a total
spiral since he left Aaron Donald. They had some time
to prepare and guess what they were so adorable?
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Idealistic?
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Do you think the teams tell you their plans in advance?
Speaker 4 (34:45):
They should?
Speaker 1 (34:45):
To the superstar, they should.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
You don't think Fox runs to coward? Coward? What do
you think about?
Speaker 3 (34:50):
When did you become twenty three?
Speaker 1 (34:52):
I forgot?
Speaker 3 (34:53):
Oh this idealistic?
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Shouldn't shouldn't? I just shouldn't players tell the teams what
they're gonna do three.
Speaker 4 (34:59):
Years out players, but a handful of stars on the team,
the core right, I would if Joe Burrow says, hey,
I'm out of here at thirty five, you guys better
get your acting.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Get By the way, I'll give you an example. I'll
give you an example of Kareem Abdul Jabbar Luel Cinder
at the time was in Milwaukee. He did the team
of solid. This is very rare. He told the Bucks owner,
I want out.
Speaker 4 (35:20):
Oh yeah, he would.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
He didn't make it public. He did the Bucks a
total solid. So in that instance, when you know you're
gone and you don't want to screw it. By the way,
he also kept it private because Kareem's very smart. He
knew if he let it out, the Lakers would have
less leverage. So Carmelo Anthony one time, to your point,
was totally honest. So Jmax point is you have to
(35:42):
be honest. Carmelo Anthony goes out and says, hey, I'm
out of here.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
Denver.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
He got screwed because everybody knew. Denver's like, we're not
gonna give the Knicks anything. So he ended up being
a ten million dollar chandelier in an empty mansion. Keep
it to yourself. That doesn't mean I'm anti boss, but
they're not telling me every day. I'm not telling you everything.
Who of you want to retire, I've.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Got no problem with it.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
This is a new side of calhert Folks. I gotta
be honest. I gotta button it up when I'm around you. Now,
I better don't know if I can trust you with
this family Seeker truck.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
Honey, How do I look in this dress?
Speaker 1 (36:18):
Great? Honey?
Speaker 3 (36:20):
What about my new haircut? You are amazing?
Speaker 1 (36:24):
That's the answer, always wisdom. I like it.
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Speaker 1 (37:46):
So the draft is less than a month away, and
Jay McK and I all love the draft. I love
it a lot and I watch I do a lot
of mock drafts. I watch a lot of video, Like
a lot of you, I'm really into it. If it
was if it didn't hurt ratings, I'd probably talk at
twelve months out of the year. I love the draft,
but you know, probably more than most people do. So
a lot of times during the draft process I will
(38:06):
just go through YouTube, or I'll watch highlights and I'll
see pieces of video not the games. I'll see pieces
of video that really strongly alter my opinion. I remember
Calvin Johnson at Georgia Tech. I remember the video four
or five clips of him. Every time he made a catch,
it was off a terrible throw. I mean because his
college quarterback completed forty nine percent of his throws, so
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every catch he was making was a poorly thrown ball.
And I kept thinking, good God, if he just gets
a competent NFL quarterback. And I said it at the time,
this is the greatest college quarterback receiver prospect I've ever seen.
And I said that a large part is because of
the video. Every catch he made it f like, could
somebody throw the ball that's not underthrown, overthrown behind him?
(38:50):
And I just kept watching clips over and over, and
I'm like, I don't have to watch the games. I
can tell how great he is by how bad his
college quarterback is. I've said this about or Sanders. I
think he's gonna be a really nice pro Why because
I watch his video. He's under duress on every thro
He's running for his life, and yet with the worst
(39:11):
run game in Power five football last two years. He's
the most sacked quarterback in Power five football. Last two years.
He completed an insane seventy four percent of his throws.
If he just gets decent to professional protection, what's he
gonna complete in the pros?
Speaker 3 (39:31):
All you have to do is watch the clips.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
He never has a clean pocket, and he's still crazy
accurate moving left, moving right. The video tells the story.
You don't have to watch a single Colorado game or
a Georgia Tech game with Calvin Johnson. The video is
telling you the truth. And I was watching Ashton Gente
stuff last Wednesday. I was flying to Chicago and I
(39:55):
was watching his video. And I've been saying that I
think he's the best running back, but I think you
could get eighty percent of him in like the third
or fourth round. I think the draft it's the best
running back draft I ever remember. But I'm watching some
of these videos against Oregon where they've got NFL players.
Nobody can bring him down. Nobody in the first contact
can bring him down. It doesn't look normal. I'm not
(40:17):
talking about when he's playing second tier teams. Ashton genty
had two hundred and sixty more rushing yards after contact
than any player in the sport had total yards. Think
about that, And I was watching the video Wednesday. I
watched Hi about three minute clip, and I'm like, does
(40:37):
anybody tackle him when they get their hands on him first?
Speaker 3 (40:41):
Oregon couldn't.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
And he forced one hundred fifty two misstackles. That's fifty
more than any other player. And I think a lot
of it is his center of gravity. Now, he's a
much better player than there was. A Cowboys had a
running back years ago, number forty four. Robert new How.
He was a good player. He wasn't a superstar. His
(41:04):
center of gravity was so low nobody could get a
clean shot on him. He was You don't want six foot.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
Three running backs. You like running backs to be like EMMITTT. Smith.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
Like it's just it's they keep you off balance. You
never really get a shot at him. They're not super leggy.
But I'm just watching the video of this kid, and
it's like, it's not normal. And I do think you
can probably get eighty percent of them third round, but
you're not getting one hundred percent of him. He's just different.
And the more and more video, especially against the good teams,
(41:32):
like Oregon. Those are pro players, those are four and
five star recruits. Oregon can't bring him down, just just
can't do it. Nobody, these defensive linemen, these linebackers.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
He's just got this.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
Momentum and inertia that is just not what you see
from other players in college football. So I do think
whoever gets him is getting a start day one. And
also it should be noted, of all the positions in football,
there are two.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
Where you can come in and star a meetia Lee.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
Running back and cornerback, because they're very instinct first positions.
Sauce Gardner week one could play Patrick Sirtan. Can you
guard a guy, go guard him? Running back?
Speaker 3 (42:11):
Hit the hole.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
So running back is a position you don't need to
be a mile deep in the playbook. If you have
a competent offensive line, hit the hole and hit it hard.
Speaker 4 (42:21):
I like Genty a lot. I'm with you largely. But
if you roll the Penn State footage from the playoff game,
he couldn't break any tackles. He couldn't get loose at
all against a really formidable big ten defense. I'm not
saying he's not gonna be a great pro. I'm just
saying I don't think if he goes to a bad
offensive line like the Raiders, fine, mid.
Speaker 3 (42:39):
What what about this?
Speaker 1 (42:41):
The Bears rework their interior line.
Speaker 4 (42:44):
Hen like it, but at eight I'd rather have O'merian
Hampton from Unco in the second round if he falls
that far.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
All right, that's fair.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
You're still recovering from my Puka take.
Speaker 4 (42:57):
That was absolute fire. You were breathing fire in the
first fire.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
What are your buddies saying about that?
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in what we do for a living. Whenever there's like
a big trade or like the NFL Draft, everybody's always
Jmax saying this team won the trade, this team lost.
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And the biggest trade in recent memory is Luca to
the Lakers for Ad.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
And there's a feeling is.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Dallas will be terrible and the Lakers will win several titles.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
But they would not have traded Luca.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
If he was in great shape and was an unbelievable defender,
well then he'd be Lebron.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
You wouldn't trade him.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
They traded him for a reason because they saw holes
in his game, which, by the way, he'd missed the
last two camps. He had multiple injuries. So here's what's interesting.
When Lebron leaves, they comes back and he's not at
one hundred percent, Lakers are trash. That's funny because Lebron,
even way past his prime. Lebron has won without AD,
(01:33):
has won without Austin Rivers, and one without Luca, one
with bad coaches. But Luca, without Lebron or Lebron at
one hundred percent, Lakers get throttled by bad teams. Why
is that? That's why Dallas let him go? And I
wouldn't have but this idea that Luca was like Lebron,
(01:54):
elite defender, elite leader, elite offensive player, elevated, everybody build
a franchise around him, no flaws. That's not what Luca is,
and you're seeing it here is Luca without Lebron, they've
lost seven of ten. Or Luca now with Lebron not
quite in game shape, not quite at one hundred percent,
they're getting throttled by bad teams. And this has always
(02:16):
been my several year argument. If your company doesn't re
sign you, even if you're talented, they see a hole
in your game. This is why I argued for years
Carmelo Anthony's a great all time player, Hall of Famer,
didn't elevate teammates, didn't play defense. Luca is a much
better version of Carmelo. By the way, Carmelo and Dominique,
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Wilkins and Luca great scores. None of them defend at
that level. Kobe and MJ are great scores. They had
a different mindset, and you're gonna get points with Luca defense.
Forget about it elevating everybody. He'll elevate some players, he'll
take the ball away from others. Lebron's also a great
(02:56):
on court coach and leaders. Talking is often barking at
refs or trash talking, and by the way, that's part
of basketball's culture. It doesn't bother me. But Lebron talking
and Luca talking are two different things. I mean, JJ
Reddick has complained multiple times, Yeah, we don't communicate when
Lebron's out. Well, isn't that where Lucas should step in.
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Luca's game is much more individualists, you know, he is
much more an individual star, more of a lead singer
in a band who can occasionally step back, you know,
and and let the bass player have his moment, but
he's a lead singer. Lebron's always been more magic than
Michael or Kobe. He's much more an orchestra leader, elevating everybody,
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much more magic, stepping back, making sure there's a rhythm
and spacing. Lebron isn't a trash talker Luca is. Lebron
doesn't spend a lot of time barking at refs Luca does.
Lebron moves furiously without the ball at time, Luca doesn't.
Lebron defends Luca has very little interest, more of a
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hobby than a vocation.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
And that is not to say Lucas not great.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
But if you're at a company and they're like, yeah,
we're gonna we're gonna move on, it's not always the
company was wrong. Again, I'll make this argument. Charles Barklay's
made it. When Dallas is totally healthy, probably next year
they have a chance to get to the finals a
d I mean, Kyrie, even Max Christie can play a
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center rotation the kid out of Duke the minute. Lebron's
not around the minute. Lebron's not at one hundred percent.
What's JJ Reddick complain about? We don't communicate. We don't
rotate as well well they do when Lebron's there and
Luca's not. And this is the difference. Maybe this is
just the difference between like MJ and Barkley. You know,
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one was always in great shape. One defended. They both
scored a lot of points. But there is a gap
between all time Lebron and all time Luca. Don't kid yourself.
There is a major gap. And they've lost three of
they've won three of ten, and this is not one
hundred percent Lebron. So again, the way we do it
in sports, this team got nothing in return, and this
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team got the greatest player of all time.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
But it is interesting.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
In the last ten games, seven no Lebron, and now
you're getting you know, a guy who missed a couple
of weeks. He's acknowledging he's not quite right defensively, not
quite right cardio wise. They're not very good. And here's
JJ Reddick after losing to Orlando last night. I don't know,
we just like we look tired, and I don't know
(05:45):
what contributes to that. That happens periodically throughout a season
where the group gets tired.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
That's what it feels like right now.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
No, when they don't look tired is when Lebron is playing,
not injured one hundred percent. You never hear that the
other team looks flat, doesn't communicate looks tired. When Lebron's
not at one hundred percent and the Lakers look tired
and can't beat Orlando. It's funny how that works, isn't it.
So this is something I talked about yesterday on the show,
(06:16):
and I don't think it's a conspiracy theory. It is
easy right now to rip Aaron Rodgers. What is he
making people wait for? So yesterday I brought this up
on the show, is that I think Aaron's too smart
to look at Pittsburgh and go this is perfect. He
flew there to the Steelers and he didn't leave with
(06:39):
a contract. Now he may sign by the end of
this rant, but he didn't sign for the great Pittsburgh Steelers.
And Albert Breer had a story today that Aaron Rodgers
is telling friends. We talked about this yesterday. He's looking
for a better call culture. He looked at Green Bay
(07:02):
and realizes not only a good culture, but an offensive culture.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
And this is what I said.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
I think Aaron Rodgers is sitting around for a couple
of weeks, and I think he's right waiting on the
Niners Brock party. I don't think the Niners are going
to pay Brock pretty fifty nine million a year, and that,
according to his agent, is what he wants. And I
can't believe I'm saying this, but Aaron needs to go
in another darkness retreat. Aaron needs to hide, avoid commitment,
(07:29):
plan an excursion. Call your travel agent if people use
those anymore. The Steelers as fools goal Tomlin can't figure
out the offense. It's been seven years, forget about it,
and fifty nine.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Listen to this.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
It was sixty sixty year before fifty nine quarterbacks played
last year. There will be opportunities. You could argue Kirk
Cousins should have waited last year until after the draft
and not gone to Atlanta. But he signed in March
and the Atlanta draft a quarterback. Is it the worst
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thing in the world for Aaron to not sign wait
on the draft, see how the dominoes fall. And somebody
could go, guys, we didn't get a quarterback. We're in
trouble here now. Now, I think you can fairly say,
and this isn't really a criticism of farv and Aaron Rodgers.
I mean, green Bay's pretty small and sleepy. Is that
maybe they didn't appreciate it. Grass is greener, you know,
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friendly media, good organization. That's not a real criticist. I
could see somebody playing for fifteen years in Green Bay
and thinking, man, I'm kind of jealous of those New York,
La San Francisco, you know, big city teams.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
I get that.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
That's not a criticism, but I'm not given brought pretty
fifty eight million dollars. In one of the reasons, I've
said this before on the show, if you wonder if
you're making a great move, you could be a TV executive.
You could be an NFL general manager. If you are
about to make a big move, what does your rival think?
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And you know who would be okay with Purty getting
sick tea million a year. Sean McVay, he'd be really
okay with that, with his young defense, little Brock Purty,
not a big arm Brock party. Sean McVay would be
just fine having Matt Stafford for two more years. And
they're locked in on a sixty million dollar a year
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Brock Purty deal. So it's you know, I just look at.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
This whole thing.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Is that Aaron multiple reports said he really wanted the
Vikings offer why because of Kevin O'Connell. It wasn't the receiver,
it was Kevin O'Connell offensive coach Aaron last year, in
his last ten starts, do you realize this, with arguably
the worst coaching staff in the league, certainly the worst
offensive coaching staff in the league and a mediocre O
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line had more touchdown passes in a higher passer rating
than Brock Purty with Kyle Shanahan. I honestly think, and again,
he could sign with Pittchburg today.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
I know you don't have to like Aaron.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
You can be resentful about his vaccine status and is whatever,
but he's not a dummy. And when you see those
pictures in Malibu when he's listening to stuff, I think
he's sitting there thinking Minnesota would have been great. I
know the division, I love the coach, I love their weapons.
O line got upgraded significantly in Minnesota in the offseason.
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I think he looks at Pittsburgh and so much of
it sounds good. Steelers defense Mike Tomlin battle line lost
their left tackle two high maintenance wide receivers spend more
money on defense than anybody in the league. Is that
really a great fitnes? Does Aaron feel like a Pittsburgh guy.
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He loves Malibu and he loves New York and if
the Giants were humming, he'd probably sign there. But this
Albert Breer story that Aaron is talking to people like
he wants the organization is key, not just the personnel.
And I think once Minnesota said no, thanks, San Francisco's
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something to keep your eye on again. Kirk Cousins signed
in March. He would not have signed with Atlanta in
April late April after the Panics, they.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Wouldn't have signed there. Kirk Cousins now is looking.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
For a new team. Aaron could think, well, what if
I signed blank? What if I signed with Pittsburgh and
all of a sudden somebody falls and they end up
picking a quarterback mid to late first round Jackson Dart.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
What am I doing here?
Speaker 1 (11:27):
I'm just I'm saying I'm not advocating for in season ayahuasca,
but another darkness retreat is not a terrible idea for
Aaron Rodgers. Take a deep.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Breath, go hide for a while. So Jay Mac.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
I'm still I don't mean to gloat, but fifteen of
sixteen teams left in the tournament. I couldn't sleep last night.
I just had I had tom Izzode, you know, in
my sleep last night. Very excited.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Then let's not get into that.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
Yeah, yeah, let's go back to Aaron Rodgers. I got
this sat from a Jets fan.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Are you ready?
Speaker 4 (11:59):
So Aaron Rodgers had the second most passing yards of
any quarterback in the league in the fourth quarter. And
know those weren't clutch comebacks, those who are basically the
Jets getting buried after three quarters and Rogers just stat padding.
So I know you're pumped up about those final ten games,
but thirty one percent of his yards, thirty one percent
of his touchdowns came in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Well, you know, when you're old, those bones take a
couple of quarters to warm up.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
Yeah, excuse his excuses. I love it.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
So there is it possible that there is an unsolvable
problem and every league has one and all go over
him coming up next? Every league has one unsolvable problem?
Is that it's just baked in, embedded in the sport.
Does the NBA have a tanking issue and there's nothing
they can do about it, and I'll talk about that next.
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Speaker 1 (13:09):
All right, welcome back, Nick Wright. One hour from now,
about fifty minutes actually from now. So there was a story.
You know, there's been a lot of talk about load
management in the NBA. Here's the good news. The young
players like Sga Tatum and those guys like to play.
They play every night. So a lot of the old
school guys Lebron's gonna take some time off ad for injuries,
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can take time off, but the young guys mostly like
to play. Janis will take time off. Bigger guy body
falls apart a little bit. Dame can take night. Of
young guys want to play. Tatum wants to play, Jalen
Brown and those guys want to play. But there is
the other issue that we talked about yesterday. Late season tanking.
So I looked at the Pelicans and Sixers played last night.
The starting lineups, they're embarrassing. I mean I would not
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watch them play if they were playing in my backyard.
I mean, it was just like just a bunch of nonsense.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
And I think the.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
League has tried to fix it by flattening the lottery odds,
so tanking won't help you, so you can have the
worst record and not get the number one pick. So
the league has really tried to do this. I think
load management David Stern solved it with fines, and I
think a lot of these young guys want to play
more games, so I think load management's bad. But I
think you can tweak it.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
They did this year. They tweaked it.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
You don't win certain awards unless you play over sixty
five games. I think that's been helpful. I don't think
you can solve the tanking thing.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
And it's hurting the ratings.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
There's no question the quality of basketball in the NBA
march on from the non playoff teams is garbage. It's
turning off fans and hurting the ratings. And maybe it's
just this. Every sport has an unsolvable issue. The NFL
has violence and players get hurt sometime seriously, and there's
concussions and they've tried to end them. They can't totally hockey.
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Most of us didn't play, we didn't play as kids.
We're not connected to it. It feels like Canada sport baseball.
There's really no urgency because the season's so until like
late September and October. And in the NBA in basketball,
and we know this and it's the same and international soccer.
If you get a superstar, it changes everything in one year.
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I mean, I was just watching Celtic City, the Bill
Simmons Project. I watched two episodes last night. Episode three,
loved it, and then episode four with Larry Bird.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
They were bad. Larry Bird arrives, they were good.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
It was that fast, and so I think it's also
just part of the basketball culture, from AAU to college
to the NBA. Go get the guy, you win immediately.
And in basketball it's different because you can spot the
next great basketball prodigy at fourteen years old. Go google
when Wemby was first spotted, or Luca was spotted, or
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Lebron was first spotted. It's fourteen, fifteen years old. Cooper
Flag two years ago, well, let's say one year ago,
he was about sixteen, seventeen years old. Everybody's like, oh,
that'll be the number one guy. That's not the case
in football. Who are you tanking for? The three best
players in the league are Mahomes, Josh Allen and arguably
Lamar Jackson. They went to second tier football schools. They
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didn't get drafted number one. They had doubters all the
way through. College football is more about even when you're great.
We've seen Patrick Mahomes get blown out in two Super Bowls.
Why left tackles bad Cleveland? When Lebron showed up. He
was scoring twenty five to nine as a rookie for
a horrible Cleveland franchise. He was still a star on
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both ends of the floor. So my take is Cooper
Flag now is seventeen. People have known for the last
year minimum, get Cooper Flag. That's the guy, and so
teams can plan two and three years out. I mean
there was Wemby talk three years ago. San Antonio's like
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suddenly started letting players go. Remember they didn't re sign
like it.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Do Jon Day Murray or something.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Why why wouldn't they re sign him? They wanted Wemby
and Papovich wasn't geta get fired. So I do think
to some degree this is an unsolvable problem. I think
load management. I think the NBA has done things like
you got to play sixty five games so you don't
win awards. I think the young players have seen that
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and aunt SGA, Jason Tatum. Simmons talked about this yesterday.
Jason Tatum, he's the first of the arena, last to leave.
He likes to play. It's been Tatum season.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
He's the best guy in the team, and other than
SGA and Jokic, she's been the most day to day
impactful guy in the league.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
And he's really durable, which I think, you know, both of.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
Us have criticized NBA players for you play sixty five
games and you call it a season, and you take
like little sabbaticals or you leave or your nurse injuries.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Tatum's out there all the time.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
I've said this. I've gone to see Tatum play four times,
never in Boston. First guy on the floor two hours
before tip off, working on his jumper. So it was
shocking last night. Tatum tweak his ankle yesterday, which was
shocking because he's so durable, and he plays both ends
of the floor, and so I think you can work
your way around load management. I do not think in
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basketball you can work your way around tanking. Find us.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
It doesn't. We get Wemby.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
We're gonna make He'll make the franchise where two billion
more dollars? Go ahead, find me. Find me fifty million
dollars as an owner? Go ahead, go ahead, find me. Well,
what was Lebron worth for the Cavaliers? Two billion dollars minimum?
You can't find teams enough that tank owners don't care.
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If I you know, I buy a team for two
billion dollars, it'll be worth eight over the next decade.
Go ahead, find me.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
What do I care?
Speaker 1 (18:54):
I want Wemby, I want Cooper flag J Mack with a.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
News no, no turn on the news. This is the
herd line news.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
I think we probably agreed. Tanking doesn't work. NFL, NBA.
Remember when the Eagles pulled their theirs, their quarterback at
like halftime of a game. Their coach it was it
was the coach before Siriani, Doug Peterson. He caught so
much heat for that. But you tank can keep a
pick NBA. Happens all the time.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Yeah, Andrew Luck with the Colts, I'm pro tanking.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
I don't know about you.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Yeah, I mean I think I wouldn't say I'm pro tanking,
but I do think there are times when you have
generational talent that I mean, I mean, there are certain
talents like they were talking about Luke and Wemby when
they were fourteen years old, you know, I mean that
we looked it up this morning, like so and Lebron
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was fifteen. Bryce Harper, everybody knew Bryce Harper in high
school at Bishop Gorman High School in Las Vegas. He
was sixteen in sports ullustrated.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
You do what you have to do to get him.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
Yeah, let's talk about Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Colin.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
I mean, listen, we haven't said much about him in
the offseason. He's still with Atlanta, He's not gonna be
the starter, and he wants out. However, reports are saying
Cousins will not wave his no trade clause until after
the draft, despite the Falcon shopping him. So it's pretty
clear Kirk was to see how the dust settles. Who
gets shador. We know cam Ward is going to the
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Titans one and Kirk Cousins is probably gonna say, fine,
wave my clause so I can go to X team
where I could probably be the starter. It seems like
though we're down to the Browns, the Giants, and the Steelers.
Those are the only three teams. The Jets clearly made
a promise to Justin Fields that he's our guy.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Yeah, I think Kirk is playing it smart here. And
this goes back to my Aaron Rodgers thing. What's the hurry?
Pittsburgh's really a great fit for Malibu guy. Pittsburgh defensive culture, Like,
I think Aaron Rodgers is too smart to make a
really dumb decision. And I don't care about DK Metcalf.
That's not why I'm going to go to a team
because I like a wide receiver you roll on ankle.
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You don't have DK Metcalf. That's not why I'm going
to a team. And no, I think listen when you
get it. It's one thing if you're in the prime
of your career or you're a young but when you're
at the end of your career, you should be pick here.
Aaron should be pick Kirk. Cousins and Aaron have three
hundred million dollars, what's the point of playing and getting hurt.
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Like as you get older and have more money, you
have more leverage because you have less options, but less
need to build a legacy or build your bank account.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
So why not we and for the Falcons, you know
you could get a win. You don't want to wish,
But like a quarterback somewhere gets hurt in the offseason,
he's gonna be out until December's bringing to Kirk Cousins.
And now you trained for him. You got to give
up some draft capital. But Kirk Cousins, I would agree
playing it's smart here Colin, it's crazy. Two years ago
he was with Minnesota and they hosted a home playoff game.
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Remember how good he was. They lost to the Giants,
and then he the Achilles and now he's a backup
and it's just say, oh man, it's just tough go
for Kirk Cousins. Let's get to the next story, and
that is the vikings at Aaron Rodgers. Rumors seem to
be over, but it doesn't mean they've crowned JJ McCarthy
the new king of the North just yet. Take a
listen to McCarthy talking about the starting QB job.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
We as a fan base or even media found out
like you're the guy v the guy recently?
Speaker 2 (22:15):
When did you know?
Speaker 4 (22:16):
When did they tell you or when was that message
to you?
Speaker 6 (22:20):
They haven't told me. I'm happy they didn't because I
tried to Aaron it every single day and I never
want that to be given to me, and it's such
a privilege and opportunity to give that, give me that chance,
and I'm just going to make the most of it.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
It's a good attitude, answered answer, young quarterback saying all
the right things.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
You know he's going to be the guy, but he's said, hey,
nothing's given to me.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
I kind of liked that, kind of like that attitude,
you know, one of us.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
Here on this set, like Tim at Michigan a lot.
Remember when I had him in my mock draft top
dead and you kind of sort of scoped.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
O you you you a year before the draft you
went on some sort of weird campaign for JJ McCarthy
and I said, it'd be nice if he ever liked
through thirty times in one game, or if you played
from behind or you know, occasionally played under duress without
a great run game and a great coach. It had
a very Bama quarterback feel, like I got sabing a
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run game, a lead. But I will say when he
did play in the preseason, I liked what I saw.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
Well, you remember that playoff game against Alabama. I think
he almost threw a pick on like the second pass
of the game. Yes, and I was like, oh, JJ,
bro don't do this. And then he rebounded. He had
rally to victory. He was very good. I'm just saying
Kevin O'Connell can make quarterbacks pretty awesome. Yeah, I think
there's huge upside. They're my sleeper in the NFC if
you could win year.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
And most of these horrorball Michigan recruits, I like him.
They had the right mindset, like the School of hard
Knocks with Jim Harball. Like I'm trying to think of
any Michigan guy in recent memory. I didn't like now
Blake Korham didn't do anything for the Rams, but he
got he broke his wrist or something banged.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
It was weird that he didn't play more.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
But you know, there is some value. And I like
Alabama players coming out mostly because they've been hard coached
by Saban and most of Harbaugh's guys like JJ McCarthy
got hard coaching and like you have to mean Jim's
not gonna suffer fool. So you know JJ is a
hard worker, he's a focus kid, he's smart, because Harball
wouldn't have a quarterback.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
That's not final story is the New York Giants have
signed Jameis Winston. That happened over the weekend. But here's
the interesting thing. They are sitting on the third pick
and would you guess who the betting favorite is to
go third overall? And that is Shadoor Sanders plus one
oh five. Now, you and I I don't see how
the Browns don't take Shador. It does not make sense
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at all. So I'm personally not buying this. And just
to be clear, you can't get down huge, but you
can't go bet six figures on this right now at anywhere.
They just won't let you because you probably have inside info.
So I'm still gonna say Shdor goes two to the Browns.
I don't see how they pass up.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Well, he's not going lower than three, and it would
be a big mistake. Yeah, yea, yeah, I will. I'm
going to talk about this more today. I do not
understand the Chaudeur Sanders shade. And I'll get into this
more today. I think people are making I think people
are overthinking the room. I think he's going to be
really good as a pro I'm gonna talk about this
more later.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
Well, where he goes matters. If he goes to Dabo
or Stefanski, I think it's win win.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Colorado was a horrible old o line trailing and no
run game, and he completed seventy four percent of his throws.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
You can't look yourself in the mirror and say I
thought JJ McCarthy was a better pro prospect than Shad
or Sanders. He was not, absolutely not. So there was
a better quarterback now I'm McCarthy. I totally agree with
McCarthy's just toolsy. He's got size.
Speaker 6 (25:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Yeah, no, I totally agree, And that's not an anti
JJ McCarthy. I think Shaduur is a really good prospect.
Is he a great prospect? No, but he's a really
good part to come. Yeah, like a one every seven years.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
I like cam Ward Is he a great prospect? I
don't think so he's great?
Speaker 1 (25:54):
No, I don't.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
Caleb Williams great prospect.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Great prospect?
Speaker 7 (25:58):
Right?
Speaker 1 (25:58):
J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
You know it's funny you have kids, and all my
kids now except one, are in their twenties, and so
they go on job interviews, and you know, I've talked
to my kids about this, like there's certain things. You know,
I'm not going to tell you. I'm not gonna helicopter parent,
but you know I'll tell my daughter. Yeah, you probably
don't want to bring up vacation time on your first interview.
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I have a company fifty employees, growing fast. If you're
asking about that in the first five minutes, you're probably
not built for my company. I like grinders. Sorry, there
are things you just don't say in life. Even though
you think them, you may not want to say them.
And this was a moment yesterday. It's not the end
of the world. But football is the ultimate team sport.
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It is the ultimate team sport. Everybody plays her, everybody
plays her. You grab that rope, and if there's one
loose grip on that rope, it can screw up the
whole team. One guy not committed. And I heard Pokin
Nakua yesterday at twenty three years old, say this, and
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I didn't love it.
Speaker 8 (27:13):
I want to retire at the age of thirty. I'm
twenty three right now, I'm going into year three, so
like ten years, it wouldn't even be ten years. It'd
be like maybe seven or eight. But like ad I
think of Aaron Donald like man like he to go
out at the top. I think it would be super cool.
Hopefully like the rest of our career will go healthy.
But I like, man, you have shoulder surgery, you have
knee surgery, you have ankle and be like yo, Like
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by the time my kids could be eighteen, I'm like,
I could be very walking if I like, if you
play the game and like you sustain all the injuries.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Don't love it.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
You know, when Trevor Lawrence said, I'm not defined by football,
it doesn't speak necessarily for me. And my thought was, well,
that that says a lot NFL general managers. Here's a
little secret. They're not looking for work life balance. They're not.
They don't care. They want you to be Kobe, they
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want you to be obsessed, they want you to be Brady,
they want you to be Lamar Jackson. They don't want
work life balance. And I think it actually puts a
light on Pooka. What if next year, he's got more
than more than a few drops. Is that guy committed?
Is he putting in the time he misses a couple
games in a row. Oh, maybe he's just protecting his
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body over team. You introduce questions you don't need to introduce.
And I know most of you young media, you're all
pro player. Oh the humanity of it. Nobody's looking for humanity.
They're looking for eighteen nineteen games, one hundred and twenty
catches playing hurt. That's what they're looking for. You ever
watch the show Survivor? You ever watch that show? Who
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are the people that unravel first on Survival? They miss
their bed, they miss their friends, and you don't root
for them. You view them as soft. You root when
you watch Survivor for the people that are totally obsessed,
really want to win.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
They're all in.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
That's what you want to see win. And again, it's
not the end of the world. But you start talking retirement.
This has been said for years, and you're already there.
You go back and look at Aaron Rodgers twenty twenty three,
Green Bay quoted, I'm ninety percent into retirement. He's never
been great since Big Ben started talking retirement. Late Pittsburgh.
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It ended poorly. You can think about it, you can
financially plan for it. I wouldn't discuss it. People are
not looking for work life balance. They want their player.
I mean, again, the NFL is a team sport. As
great as Mahomes is two Super Bowls doesn't have the
right left tackle humiliated. You gotta play hurt. This is
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not baseball. There's a game tomorrow, there's not there's not
a game for six months. Play hurt my growin, Yeah,
get over it. Everybody's hurts. So it's it's one of
those things. And by the way, Pooka's impact on the right,
I mean, they're very good with him, they're not good
without him. But in two years, by the way, if
you're sitting there on the draft board and you're thinking,
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you know what, maybe time to go first round wide receiver,
if anything, it could hurt your leverage. So sometimes you
just got to keep things to yourself. And talking about
retirement at twenty three. I don't love it. Aaron started
talking about it four years ago, and I think green
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Bay said, well that Jordan loved draft pick was pretty
smart after all, right, because if he talked about it publicly,
in twenty twenty three, then you knew he had talked
about it privately, probably in twenty twenty one or twenty
twenty two. Because people talk privately about stuff before they
go public with stuff. They practice it on their wives
or their friends, they see their reaction from their family.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
So it's not the end of the world.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
But I don't love it because I talked to general
managers all the time and they're not looking for they're
not looking for work life balance. Nobody's interested in that.
They want you to be obsessed. Well that's not healthy.
Well it's football. It's not that healthy to begin with.
You're getting tackled by the strongest men on the planet.
It's not that healthy. If again, protein shakes and play
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through paid and plyometrics play through it, it's not the
end of the world. But I don't I don't love
when when Trevor Lawrence says I'm not defined by football.
Actually that comment sort of defined you. You're not obsessed
by it. I know the young media stallions never comfortable
with this topic.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
Sorry, Colin not you not your best work there. I'm
a huge fan of that take. You're going to catch
some heat from the staff online. You know the creatines
online that are savages. Like if you could retire at
thirty as a millionaire and not take hits to the
head deep into your thirty pep, don't you do that?
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Yeah, that's a no brainer. Yeah, And what did I
say to Strant? Keep it to yourself. Don't advertise it,
don't tell everybody in the room, your GM, your teammates, guys,
I'm putting away a lot of money. I am out
of here. Just don't tell. When you're interviewing for a job,
what's my vacation time? You can want six weeks, you'll
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probably get three or four. Don't advertise it, don't talk
about it. You don't have to put every meal on Twitter.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
You know you don't have to put.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
Everything on Twitter. You want them to lie in these.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Media absolutely all you think I tell before I negotiate
with Fox everything I'm thinking. You think they're telling me
everything they're thinking. Probably my age starts with a six.
You think they're telling me everything. You can keep secrets.
That doesn't mean it's all sinister. You don't tell everybody everything.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
It's not that.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
I mean, listen, here's how you keep.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Your job in the NFL, winning and by the way
as a general manager, they all tell me this, They're
already looking three drafts down the road. You think the
Rams are just worried about this draft. They're looking at
next year's quarterback draft because Stafford interesting. But by the way,
the Rams know the best freshman quarterbacks in college football.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
They are three years.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
I remember one time I ran into the ex president
of ESPN, George Bodenheimer, in the parking lot years ago.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
I think I've told this story before and George I.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Was talking about some plans I had, and George said, oh,
I've got a five and a ten year plan. I said,
how can you have a ten year plan? He goes,
I know every right available over the next decade. You
think these networks are just making it up? Do you
think they're advertising it? No? Okay, before companies let go
of three hundred people, it often catches people by surprise.
(33:48):
Why you don't think they knew about it six months out?
Of course they did. I can remember being I can
remember being told a secret a decade ago by somebody
in management. He said, you can never tell anybody this,
and it was it's a term now that's that's used
a lot. That's overused. But this manager said at the
other place, he was just this community. We were having
(34:10):
a beer and I was, you know, we were having
a beer. He's one of my friends. He said, just
just don't mention this word ever, like, don't mention it.
And I said, why he goes, because it's all we
talk about in our senior advisory.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Keep it to yourself.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
At the same time, don't you think it helps the
teams prepare for as of like Andrew look cut them fly?
The Colts were not ready. They've been in a total
spiral since he left Aaron Donald. They had some time
to prepare and guess what they were so adorable?
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Idealistic?
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Do you think the teams tell you their plans in advance?
Speaker 4 (34:45):
They should?
Speaker 1 (34:45):
To the superstar, they should.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
You don't think Fox runs to coward? Coward? What do
you think about?
Speaker 3 (34:50):
When did you become twenty three?
Speaker 1 (34:52):
I forgot?
Speaker 3 (34:53):
Oh this idealistic?
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Shouldn't shouldn't? I just shouldn't players tell the teams what
they're gonna do three.
Speaker 4 (34:59):
Years out players, but a handful of stars on the team,
the core right, I would if Joe Burrow says, hey,
I'm out of here at thirty five, you guys better
get your acting.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Get By the way, I'll give you an example. I'll
give you an example of Kareem Abdul Jabbar Luel Cinder
at the time was in Milwaukee. He did the team
of solid. This is very rare. He told the Bucks owner,
I want out.
Speaker 4 (35:20):
Oh yeah, he would.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
He didn't make it public. He did the Bucks a
total solid. So in that instance, when you know you're
gone and you don't want to screw it. By the way,
he also kept it private because Kareem's very smart. He
knew if he let it out, the Lakers would have
less leverage. So Carmelo Anthony one time, to your point,
was totally honest. So Jmax point is you have to
(35:42):
be honest. Carmelo Anthony goes out and says, hey, I'm
out of here.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
Denver.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
He got screwed because everybody knew. Denver's like, we're not
gonna give the Knicks anything. So he ended up being
a ten million dollar chandelier in an empty mansion. Keep
it to yourself. That doesn't mean I'm anti boss, but
they're not telling me every day. I'm not telling you everything.
Who of you want to retire, I've.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Got no problem with it.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
This is a new side of calhert Folks. I gotta
be honest. I gotta button it up when I'm around you. Now,
I better don't know if I can trust you with
this family Seeker truck.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
Honey, How do I look in this dress?
Speaker 1 (36:18):
Great? Honey?
Speaker 3 (36:20):
What about my new haircut? You are amazing?
Speaker 1 (36:24):
That's the answer, always wisdom. I like it.
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Speaker 1 (37:46):
So the draft is less than a month away, and
Jay McK and I all love the draft. I love
it a lot and I watch I do a lot
of mock drafts. I watch a lot of video, Like
a lot of you, I'm really into it. If it
was if it didn't hurt ratings, I'd probably talk at
twelve months out of the year. I love the draft,
but you know, probably more than most people do. So
a lot of times during the draft process I will
(38:06):
just go through YouTube, or I'll watch highlights and I'll
see pieces of video not the games. I'll see pieces
of video that really strongly alter my opinion. I remember
Calvin Johnson at Georgia Tech. I remember the video four
or five clips of him. Every time he made a catch,
it was off a terrible throw. I mean because his
college quarterback completed forty nine percent of his throws, so
(38:28):
every catch he was making was a poorly thrown ball.
And I kept thinking, good God, if he just gets
a competent NFL quarterback. And I said it at the time,
this is the greatest college quarterback receiver prospect I've ever seen.
And I said that a large part is because of
the video. Every catch he made it f like, could
somebody throw the ball that's not underthrown, overthrown behind him?
(38:50):
And I just kept watching clips over and over, and
I'm like, I don't have to watch the games. I
can tell how great he is by how bad his
college quarterback is. I've said this about or Sanders. I
think he's gonna be a really nice pro Why because
I watch his video. He's under duress on every thro
He's running for his life, and yet with the worst
(39:11):
run game in Power five football last two years. He's
the most sacked quarterback in Power five football. Last two years.
He completed an insane seventy four percent of his throws.
If he just gets decent to professional protection, what's he
gonna complete in the pros?
Speaker 3 (39:31):
All you have to do is watch the clips.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
He never has a clean pocket, and he's still crazy
accurate moving left, moving right. The video tells the story.
You don't have to watch a single Colorado game or
a Georgia Tech game with Calvin Johnson. The video is
telling you the truth. And I was watching Ashton Gente
stuff last Wednesday. I was flying to Chicago and I
(39:55):
was watching his video. And I've been saying that I
think he's the best running back, but I think you
could get eighty percent of him in like the third
or fourth round. I think the draft it's the best
running back draft I ever remember. But I'm watching some
of these videos against Oregon where they've got NFL players.
Nobody can bring him down. Nobody in the first contact
can bring him down. It doesn't look normal. I'm not
(40:17):
talking about when he's playing second tier teams. Ashton genty
had two hundred and sixty more rushing yards after contact
than any player in the sport had total yards. Think
about that, And I was watching the video Wednesday. I
watched Hi about three minute clip, and I'm like, does
(40:37):
anybody tackle him when they get their hands on him first?
Speaker 3 (40:41):
Oregon couldn't.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
And he forced one hundred fifty two misstackles. That's fifty
more than any other player. And I think a lot
of it is his center of gravity. Now, he's a
much better player than there was. A Cowboys had a
running back years ago, number forty four. Robert new How.
He was a good player. He wasn't a superstar. His
(41:04):
center of gravity was so low nobody could get a
clean shot on him. He was You don't want six foot.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
Three running backs. You like running backs to be like EMMITTT. Smith.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
Like it's just it's they keep you off balance. You
never really get a shot at him. They're not super leggy.
But I'm just watching the video of this kid, and
it's like, it's not normal. And I do think you
can probably get eighty percent of them third round, but
you're not getting one hundred percent of him. He's just different.
And the more and more video, especially against the good teams,
(41:32):
like Oregon. Those are pro players, those are four and
five star recruits. Oregon can't bring him down, just just
can't do it. Nobody, these defensive linemen, these linebackers.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
He's just got this.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
Momentum and inertia that is just not what you see
from other players in college football. So I do think
whoever gets him is getting a start day one. And
also it should be noted, of all the positions in football,
there are two.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
Where you can come in and star a meetia Lee.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
Running back and cornerback, because they're very instinct first positions.
Sauce Gardner week one could play Patrick Sirtan. Can you
guard a guy, go guard him? Running back?
Speaker 3 (42:11):
Hit the hole.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
So running back is a position you don't need to
be a mile deep in the playbook. If you have
a competent offensive line, hit the hole and hit it hard.
Speaker 4 (42:21):
I like Genty a lot. I'm with you largely. But
if you roll the Penn State footage from the playoff game,
he couldn't break any tackles. He couldn't get loose at
all against a really formidable big ten defense. I'm not
saying he's not gonna be a great pro. I'm just
saying I don't think if he goes to a bad
offensive line like the Raiders, fine, mid.
Speaker 3 (42:39):
What what about this?
Speaker 1 (42:41):
The Bears rework their interior line.
Speaker 4 (42:44):
Hen like it, but at eight I'd rather have O'merian
Hampton from Unco in the second round if he falls
that far.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
All right, that's fair.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
You're still recovering from my Puka take.
Speaker 4 (42:57):
That was absolute fire. You were breathing fire in the
first fire.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
What are your buddies saying about that?
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