November 27, 2024 • 40 mins
A lot of people are starting to blame 49ers HC Kyle Shanahan but Colin believes the Niners just need the right QB
Colin lists teams that are in the Super Bowl bubble
Jimmy Johnson doesn't envision Cowboys hiring Deion Sanders
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you have a great time with your fam J mackwhile
of the Lively Show today, I saw you cut the
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Speaker 3 (01:35):
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Speaker 2 (01:40):
Well?
Speaker 1 (01:40):
First off, J Mack will have more on this. Daniel Jones,
the beleaguer quarterback for the New York Giants. Uh he
just signed with the Vikings. I'm happy for Daniel Jones.
No chaos, great offensive coach. Also, the Vikings get a
very experienced, nice kid. We talked about this yesterday. I
root for young people to avoid chaos. Maybe when you're
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older you can handle it. So Daniel Jones, great place
for him to go. Offensive coach, weapons, no pressure, understudy.
Great for the Vikings. They get a big, strong kid
with a lot of started. He loves the NFL, So
I want to talk forty nine ers. So the forty
nine ers, you know, I just got to a Super
Bowl and they've been sort of the reigning West Coast
power for a long time, and they're a very popular franchise.
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They're a little bit bit like the Yankees. Out east.
We're in the summer, everybody's wearing a Yankee hat. Out West,
it's a lot of Dodgers and a lot of San
Francisco forty nine er hats. There's a huge brand. They
fill stadium's home or away. And now I'm seeing a
lot of stories now blaming the coach Kyle Shanahan. Late
game management is the reason, says an NFL executive to
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the Athletic. I want to discuss that for a second,
and Deebo Samuel is supporting him. But it's funny about blame.
For years, Andy Reid, for years in Philadelphia, everybody knew
he was smart, but he got he got called a
terrible clock management coach. Oh just the worst. And then
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Andy Reid got Patrick Mahomes and that all disappeared. And
Brady and Belichick for years the Niners were the best
clock management, efficient, situational football team in the world. And
then Tom Brady went to Tampa and Belichick looked like
every other coach in the league with an average quarterback, penalties,
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clock management, losing games they led in the fourth quarter.
Funny how that works, isn't it? So? When your quarterbacks
in San Francisco for Kyle Shanahan or Jimmy Garoppolo, Trey
Lance and Brock Purty, who, by the way, maybe a
great fit, He's not a great quarterback. Brock Purty doesn't
erase your mistakes. Lamar Jackson does, John Elway? Did? Brady? Did?
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Peyton Manning? Did? Breeze? Did Marino? Did they erase mistakes?
Lebron's done this. Lebron has raised a lot of bad
coaching moves for a long time in the NBA. Now
that's what you know. The great players like a Yannis
can do or a Wemby can do. So that's what
the great athletes do. I mean USC Caleb Williams. Remember
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when he went to USC. They won eleven games. Defense
was atrocious. It was atrocious, maybe the worst tackling defense
in the country.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
US.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
He won eleven game, should have won twelve, but their
defense gave up a late touchdown to Tulane. I mean,
go look at Mike McDaniel with Tua. When Mike McDaniel
has Tua and I don't consider him a great all
time quarterback, but with Tua, you're like, man, Mike McDaniel,
who that guy is a wizard. Without him, he looks
like a bottom five coach. They can't get first downs.
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So here's the problem for Kyle Shanahan. Brock perty as
smallish hurt again. They were in the Daniel Jones sweepstakes.
They wanted a veteran back up. And by the way,
in his last twelve starts, I looked it up this morning.
Brock Purty six and six and a ninety five passer rating.
That's good. It's not a racer material. It's not Mahomes
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changing Andy Reid's career and narrative. So you can bang
on Kyle Shanahan all you want, but the reason they
took such a big swing on Trey Lance is they
were hoping he was an eraser. Because even if you're
a great coach Andy Reid, Belichick, Shanahan, if you have
just a good quarterback and not an eight plus quarterback,
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this is what happens to you. All of a sudden.
Now everybody's going, I don't know, he's losing a lot
of games. That Kyle Shanahan for the record of the
last twenty one Super Bowl winning quarterbacks twenty one eighteen
Hall of famers. Go look, go you could google it
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if Google was around twenty years ago. Go google how
much everybody hammered Andy Reid. Now he's considered by a
long shot, the best coach in the league. So yesterday
on this couple more to go. Starting December twentieth, for
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the first time ever in the history of college football,
we'll have a twelve team playoff. So it used to
be at the end you get you know you're When
I grew up, it was AP voted for it, the
media voted for the National Championship Game, which was hokey.
And there's BCS and a college playoff. Now for the
first time ever, this year we'll have twelve teams. And
so last night, two weeks left, they released the playoffs.
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Now again, do not overreact. Two weeks left in my lifetime,
college football's last two weeks rivalry week and Championship Week.
Anything can happen. I'll give you an example. J Mack
was right. Yesterday I'm gonna reverse my pick. I'm taking
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USC plus seven and a half points to keep it
close on Notre Dame. Why full stadium in La Lincoln
Riley's emptying the tank. They got nothing to lose. They
feel good after beating UCLA and Notre Dame's only face
two ranked teams since September. Every single USC game is close.
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The coliseum all be there, will be lit. They've got playmakers.
Notre Dame step up in class. USC beat LSU, and
they should have beaten Penn State and overtime at home.
To me, it's twenty seven, twenty six, twenty eight, twenty seven.
Don't be shocked if Notre Dame gets bounced. How about
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number two Texas for the first time in thirteen years
going to college station to face Texas A and M.
What do you think Texas A and M would love
to do? How about derail the greatest season for Texas
Longhorn football in like since the Mac Brown days. That
place is one of the hardest places to play in
the country. Marcel Reid, the quarterback for Texas A and M,
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the freshman is good. He's getting better every time we
see him. The Aggies d line exceptional. What was the
team that beat Texas Georgia their d line exceptional? Oh,
by the way, the Aggies. The Aggies have nothing to lose.
Texas all the pressure. Keep your eye on that one.
Oh did I mention that Tennessee's at Vandy? Vandy beat
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Alabama at home? Did I mention Georgia Tech and Georgia
Georgia texa good team beat Miami, So everybody freaks out.
I can see all the SEC fans. I can't believe
where we are ranked a week ago. Just last weekend Ole,
Miss Bama, Colorado, and A and m all lost unranked opponents.
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So it's not Thanksgiving, it's traps Giving. Watch out for
Notre Dame, watch out for Texas, watch out for Georgia.
People freak out, don't This is what's great. For the
first time in our lives, we get a twelve TI
team playoff. I don't have I just had a coach
yesterday tell me he thinks SMU is wildly underrated. Who knows,
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but my entire life college football regular season was amazing,
and then you'd watch a bunch of second tier cheesy
bowl games that stuff. Now, twelve team playoff. Can't wait
fired up. I mean about the only game I don't
see an upset is Ohio State hosting Michigan. I don't
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know how Michigan keeps it close. They're bad at quarterback,
they're on the road, they don't have big plays. Ohio
State will be more aggressive, playmakers everywhere, better at quarterback.
A lot of pressure on Ohio State. That one. I
don't see an upset. Everything else I wouldn't be shocked.
So j Max Jimmy Johnson later this hour, Joel Clatt
Top of the Hour. So you basically you got home
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and people said, get that thing off your face.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Oh you know, listen, hey, you take some l's, you
try some things.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
That's what happens.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
I didn't take an out on Daniel Jones.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
See where he ended up Minnesota. That was your big gut?
Was that your guests? Yeah, well, first of all, I'm
happy for the kid. I mean, to go to the
Giants is a mess. So he goes to like a
real team with real weapons and an offensive coach and
owners that are non meddling and a winning culture, and
he doesn't have to be a starter. So it's like,
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that's a nice gift for the kid.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
So let me ask you, Uh, what does this do
for the Vikings next year? Do you think it's a
given that Sam Darnold is not coming back and Daniel
Jones will battle JJ McCarthy for the starting job.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
That's what I think. I think it'll be JJ McCarthy's
team and you'll have Daniel Jones backing it up. And
I think I think this market because it's such a
bad college quarterback market. I mean it's Cam who's got is?
You know? Cam and shadou Or are like B plus prospects.
They're not A's Jalen mil Row people like, but he's
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a bit mechanical. He's Anthony Richardson, but people think a
little bit better. So that you don't have a great
quarterback draft class. So that means Donald. And because of
Aaron rodgers sputtering and kind of turn off on the market,
a lot comes with Aaron Rodgers. I think Sam Donald's
gonna have a very robust market.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
He could get paid by somebody.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
Oh absolutely, he will get The thing about McCarthy, I
did read that there was like a second surgery he
had to have somewhat recently. So it's not a given
that JJ McCarthy comes back, and it's his team and
he's ready to go right sitting for two years, that
could happen.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Jordan loves at for was it three?
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Yeah, So I wouldn't be shocked if Daniel Jones was
the starting play.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
I mean right now, we went into the season. We
didn't know before the season what Minnesota was. Well, now
Sam Donald's really good. JJ McCarthy's very promising, and Daniel
Jones will be the first or second best backup. This
is what I've been talking about with Atlanta. The worst
problem to have in the NFL or the best problem.
The best problem in the National Football League is, you know,
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we have one too many quarterbacks. Everybody should want that
Atlanta Cousins Pennix. That's not an issue. An issue is
we don't have an elite corner the Rams. And when
you play a team with AJ Brown, you play a
team with great receivers, now much you can do, you
just don't match up. So good day today, I'm gonna
release my pre Thanksgiving Super Bowl bubble. Haven't done this
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in a month. The teams I think can win it
usually jmc Unlike your facial hair, it lasts. It is
ver is a harborger of things to come, So we'll
do that next.
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So it is week thirteen in the NFL starting tomorrow
with three games Lions are gonna play. Rest of the
country's gonna see him now, not just the diehards and
the Lion fans. They take on the Bears, Giants, Cowboys,
we'll see I think Packers hosting Miami's fascinating. Get to
that in a bit, Jimmy Johnson this hour two. The
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NFL does a great job is there is an illusion
of parody. But because over the last decade there's been
all these rule changes which have all benefited offense, the
league has become very quarterback dependent. So if you have
a top ten quarterback, unless your coach is clueless, you're
going to be a playoff team. So if you go
to look at the AFC, for example, and you're going
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to see a lot of teams that have really, really
good quarterbacks. Mahomes, Oh what do you know? Josh Allen, C. J. Stroud,
Lamar Jackson, Justin Herbert and then you've got a couple
of guys in right now bow Knicks, but he's got
super Bowl winning coach, Sean Payton. You know there's Russell Wilson. Well,
he's won a super Bowl and so has Mike Tomlin.
So you can see very clearly you got to have
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the coach or the quarterback, or preferably both if you
go over to the NFC right now outside of Seattle
and Gino Smith so Gino's not a star quarterback, and
the head coach we don't know about. But Detroit, okay,
you got a super Bowl quarterback, Jared Goff, Jalen Hurts,
you got a super Bowl quarterback. Atlanta, you know, weakest
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division in football, But Kirk Cousins has been, you know,
a top ten quarterback now for a long time in Minnesota,
Green Bay and Washington. Now the NFC is the weaker,
but be honest about this, Sam Darnold and Kevin O'Connell.
Kevin O'Connell looks like a top five offensive coach in
this league. He may be a top five coach Green Bay.
Matt Lafleur, Shock, Jordan Love I think an elite quarterback.
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And then Dan Quinn's been to a Super Bowl as
Washington's coach. So you start looking around. Now, I don't
think Seattle's going to win this division. I think either
Matt Stafford or Kyler Murray are going to figure out
a way to win this division. And that would be
the elite quarterback category. So now here's the great thing
about the NFL. You can go from very bad to
very good instantly. It's the League of hope. Jim Harbaugh
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Chargers totally changed the franchise.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
C J.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Stroud, Demiko Ryans change the franchise. So the great thing
about the NFL is the League of hope. It's not
like baseball or the NBA or hockey that it takes
draft pick after draft pick after draft pick and you
have to change the entire roster. I mean, Chargers basically
brought in better coaches. Boom, They're good. They're not great,
they're good and so. And what's funny though it is
there's an illusion of parody. And I do think week
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to week anybody can beat anybody. But my Super Bowl bubble,
which I do about four times a year, is very familiar.
Inside the bubble, Josh Allen and the Bills, Mahomes and
the chiefs Lamar and John Harbaugh Ravens. Philadelphia a great franchise,
and I think we all think Detroit is loaded. I
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do think Pittsburgh, Green Bay, the Chargers in Minnesota are
just on the periphery, all capable of making the playoffs
and winning playoff games. But I think there's five teams
super Bowl level quarterbacks, quarterbacks that have been to Super Bowl,
that can hoist a trophy. So again, it is the
League of Hope, the parody thing Macro big picture eighteen
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game season. Longer a season is the more clarity, get early,
and I think right now week thirteen, we know who's
really really capable of hoisting a trophy. Here's j Mack
with the news.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
No, no, this is the herdline news.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
All right, let's start with the breaking news that Daniel
Jones cleared waivers and instantly was gobbled up by the
Minnesota Vikings. According to Fox Sports NFL insider Jordan Schultz,
I guess he'll have a chance to supplant Nick Mullins
as the top backup in Minnesota, though Mullins has been
in the system for.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
A long time.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Yeah, you know, Sam Donald's having.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
A great season.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
He was excellent last week against the Bears. I think
they had like seven yards per play, four hundred fifty
yards of offense.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Once again, an offensive coach saying, we can't have enough
quarterbacks in the room, whereas defensive coaches, you know, Pete
Carroll Atiana's Gino's good enough. Well, no, he's not in
a division with Matt Stafford, Kyder Murray and San Francisco
was rolling. So offensive coaches Kevin O'Connell's like, I don't
know how I'm gonna sort it out, but all take
another quarterback in the room. That's the difference offensive and
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defensive coaches. The offensive coaches are always like, you know,
give me another one. We'll see what. We'll see how
it works out. The defensive coaches tend to talk themselves
into we can win with a running game and defense.
But in the world we live in now, where fifty
five quarterbacks play a year, I'll take Daniel Jones on
my roster and figure out the rest.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
And it is interesting that now the starter in the
backup in Minnesota for a smart coach used to be
Jets and Giants quarterbacks. Sam Darnald with the Jets, who,
by the way, he looked terrible with the Jets. Sam Darnold,
he had an awful career a lot of people, and
he looks like a totally different quarterback totally So it's
possible that Jones could turn things around. At worst, he's
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like a trade ship, you know, like maybe again, I
don't think, you know, Smith is great, but I don't
think he's like a lot to be the starter next
year like Sam Darnold.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Would he be possibility in Seattle?
Speaker 1 (17:56):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
I mean I feel like it's almost like a lateral move.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Well, whatever, wherever Sam Darnold goes, he won't be as
productive as he is in Minnesota because he's not going
to get an offensive coach that smart.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Do you think the teams that are going to be
chasing Donald realize that or no?
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Well, we set up with Gardner Minshew. We said, don't
watch Gardner Minshew in Indy with that offensive coach go
to the Raiders and be the same quarterback. You're not
getting the same quarterback.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
How many times he's even benched the series?
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Yeah, I mean so, And we predicted it. We told
you Gardner Minshew and Indy with Shane Steik and that's
the best version of him competing.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
For a playoff spot down to week seventeen or eighteen,
and now they're out of the mix.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Let's move on big baseball story.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
Last night, in the middle of a lot of sports stories,
the Dodgers went out and made.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
A splash move.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
The World Series champs addressed a big pitching hole on
their roster by signing Blake Snell a five year, one
hundred and eighty two million dollar deal.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
I mean, well, they're gonna lose Walker. Buehler is going
to be a free agent, so they'll probably let him walk. Okay,
Jack Flaherty's another guy. He's probably gonna walk. So they've
got a they've got a prospect overseas they like a lot.
So you know, Young Motos their number one starter. Blake
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Snell pencils and it is their number two probably and
next year. There's a lot of talk they want him
to be a reliever. He doesn't want to be a reliever.
It would be weird to see him come in the
middle relief. But I think this is what the Dodgers do.
They don't fall in love. They fall in like, uh,
you know, they've had different pitch you know, they had
Manny Machado in town. They're like, that doesn't fit for us.
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They don't, they don't. They don't give everybody what they want.
They smart, smartly let guys walk, and I think they
really like their staff right now. But they're not going
to get in a bidding war for certain players, so
they'll they'll take Blake Snell.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
So the big two questions out of this Number one,
are they still in the mix for one Soto the
Yankee slugger? I mean, listen, it's not a salary cap thing.
They I guess they could just pay whatever they want.
Right They're flushed with cash, won the World Series, the Otani.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
You think they go for So don't you want to
see Juan Soto either with like the Yankees of the Dodgers.
Don't you want to see him or the Podres with
a good team so he can be surrounded by other
good teams. What I don't want is Juan Soto going
Team's not going to going to like Baltimore or a
Cincinnati where they pay so much for him. He got
bad guys hitting in front of him. They're out of
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a playoff race, and I know everybody loves Baltimore, but
they don't have the money that the Dodgers of the
Mets Steve Cohen have or maybe like Atlanta or Houston
has I want to see star players go to Philadelphia,
Mark Houston, Atlanta, Dodgers, New York so they can be surrounded.
I don't want Joe mauerd the Twins or Joey Boto
to the Reds where you have a great player and
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they can't afford a bullpen.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
Okay, So that leads to the second question. It's like
Colin the imbalance. You just talked about parody in the league,
in the NFL or the illusion of parody. The imbalance
in baseball is ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Well, Michael Jordan won six titles. Nobody talked about imbalance. No,
what he cared imbalance is over rates.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Well, there's a salary cap in the NBA.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
College football ratings are up. We know the four teams
that are going to play for the AT No.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
There's no salary cap. You can sign all the five
stars you want.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
But in baseball, if you look at the Dodgers payroll,
it's going to be so ten x a.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Third of the league. LA is a vibrant economy. So
the bottom line, Yankees got money Brave's got money, Astro's
got money, Met's got money, Dodgers got money, Podres have
more money. Boston used to have it. They don't spend anymore.
If there's five or six teams at the top of
any league, this idea, that parody is what moves. Any
game that SMU plays in in the playoff is going
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to be lower ranked than the Georgia, Texas, Oregon, Ohio
State Notre Dame game. Like everything in sports, Serena dominated
women's tennis for over fifteen years.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
So what But I guess the question would be, do
you believe that this all the good players going to
a handful of teams, some of the team basically being
a farm system.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Yeah, for the big boys.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Do you have any issue with that?
Speaker 1 (21:55):
No, it's been like that my whole life. People are
down just admitting it. I mean, has Pittsburgh ever really
been viable since like the seventies.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
Pittsburgh has a good pitcher, the guy who the Rookie
of the Year, All Star game starter, and it's like,
where's he gonna go in a year or two? When
is he going to be on a real team? And
if you're if you're a Pittsburgh pirates fan like not
a lot to get excited about it. Well, you can't
afford now, I know it's on the owner, right, the
owner has.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
To warn all billionaires. Oakland's owner was a billionaire too.
He decided that he came from family money. He was
just gonna use that as a way to make more money.
So I have. I mean, Michael Jordan was considered a
band owner. He made like a zillion dollars on the
Charlotte Bobcats or Charlotte whatever they're called these days.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
It doesn't matter playoff series with him at the helmet.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Yeah, I had never lose sleep on the whole parody thing.
It's like my whole life. Michigan, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Alabama, Oklahoma,
They've all been great in college football is indoor the
entire time. They don't go they don't go perfect, they
lose games. Vanderbilt beat Alabama, happens the game this weekend.
You've an eye on that.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
One final story is the so things did not go
well into desert last night.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
Yes, Bradley Beal returned and Sodakidi, but Austin Reeds in
the Lakers defense. We talked about I think two days ago. Uh,
they got Shredditt Phoenix with a one twenty seven blowout.
JJ Reddick not happy about the defensive effort afterward.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
We may have to just look at some things defensively,
particularly against really good offensive teams.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
They kind of kind of got whatever they wanted. If
you think about being disruptive, I think it starts there.
Teams are trying to disrupt what we do, just like
we're trying to disrupt what other teams are doing.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Yeah, in the NBA, there's too much talent. If you're
not locked in defensively, you're gonna get smoked. A couple
of nights ago, we watched the Denver Nuggets, a great
team at home, get hammered by the New York Knicks.
Just too many good players. If you're not ready to go,
you're gonna get You're gonna On baseball, you can play
with a hangover. If I got my ace on the
mound and nobody's focus, but the ace is throwing ninety
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nine and paint in the corners, you could be competitive.
In the NBA. You have got to be locked in,
especially against teams like Phoenix, the Lakers, Denver, OKC, Minnesota Nicks.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Well, this wasn't listen.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
This was a bad spot for the Lakers. The Sons
were getting two of their stars back. The only thing
I didn't like is Lebron and Ad played thirty five
minutes apiece in a game they lost by twenty seven.
That is just unnecessary. And I will say some Laker
fans are fired up. The Lakers in the third quarter
have had struggles all season.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Now.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
You know, in the NFL we talked adjustments at halftime, right,
and the good coaches adjusted win the third quarter. Why
are the Lakers always getting smoked in the third quarter?
Last night it was thirty six? You know who the
best third quarter of coaches in the NBA are. Kerr
is a legendary third quarter coach and Spolstras Yeah so well.
JJ Reddick's a rookie coach. He's got some good game plans, clearly,
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and then teams are seeing what they're doing and adjusting.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
If you go back to Matt Lafleur's first year coach
in the Packers, he had excellent game plans. The first year,
they were a very soft third quarter team. By the
second year, Green Bay was a very good the second quarter,
second half team. By Matt Leafluur's second year, you got
the great game plans and good third quarters. So I
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think that the difference between a pretty good coach and
a good coach. With Andy Reid, you get everything, you
start hot, you're good in the third quarter, and you're
great situationally. Those are that's the Peytons and and our
next guess, Jimmy Johnson. When you can do all three
levels of coaching, I think when you bring a first
year coach in and you're thinking, wow, it didn't look
like Andy Reid, Well, it was the difference between being
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a coordinator and creating a game plan and being a
head coach and having the voice in the locker room, pregame, halftime, situationally,
time out, like it's a whole like every other job
in America that you get to you taking up great,
you're learning on the job. And so I think, JJ Reddick,
this is what you think fifteen games into a rookie
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coach's career.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
O Brian Dables listening to that nice little rant by you,
I just don't know if he's a head coach honestly,
a great play caller offensive line.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
I don't know if he's at all right Jmack with
the news.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by. It's
the herd Line news.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
These college football fans get crazy on the twelve team playoff.
I was thinking about this this morning, is that I
think there'll be a bunch of upsets over the next
two weeks. Ohio State is just built to beat Michigan.
I think Michigan's gonna really struggle. They don't have enough playmakers,
they're on the road. Ohio State has gotten thump three
years in a row by Michigan, so they have they
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are totally focused. And Michigan lost fifteen guys to the NFL.
Their two best players are defensive players. Graham the defensive lineman.
It's Wilson's the corner, great players. I think Ohio State
is gonna hammer them, and usually these games are close.
But I just think it's a bad matchup for Michigan
and they're not playing well now. They were playing a
little better earlier. But it's interesting about Ryan Day. So
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I was thinking about this this morning. Everybody thinks the
pressures on Ryan Day to beat Michigan. But what's fascinating
about Ryan Day because they went all in. Ohio State
went all in on this team. They spent twenty million
dollars on the nil. I mean they just went and
bought players and they brought in Chip Kelly is. Let's
say he beats Michigan and loses to Oregon in the
Big Ten Championship, they'll be furious. So he has to
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beat Michigan and then Oregon that he already lost to.
And by the way, if he does that and they
played let's say Tennessee in their first game and lost,
he'd get hammered. They want him out. So Ohio State's
in a weird situation where they have a coach I
like in a great program, but everybody's like, oh, the
Michigan game. If he beats Michigan, he's gonna get no
credit for it. People are gonna go, well, Michigan's bad
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this year. Harball's not there, they don't have a quarterback.
JJ McCarthy's gone. And the following week, if he beats
Michigan by thirty and loses to Oregon, it's gonna be
people on the he's on the hot seat. He can't
beat Oregon. We got five star guys. They got three
and four star guys. And if he beats Michigan in
Oregon and then lose his first round. So every single
game for Ohio, I don't think there's another coach that
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faces that pressure. I mean Klin de Boor. People are upset,
but everybody knows he's a great coach, you know what
I mean. Like and Jalen Milroll gets a lot of
the heat. You know Sark would get heat. But I
think Texas has been so dry and so bad for
so long. They appreciate Sark's recruiting his personality. You know,
Texas feels like they're back. But the Ohio State situation
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is weird. They're gonna beat Michigan, but if they lost
seven days later to Oregon, I mean, they would be
at his throat, like they're the only team going into
this playoff. I mean, Kirby Smart can lose games. Nobody
wants to fire him. Everybody loves the Tennessee coach, the
notre dame young coach. They're happy to be here. They're
not gonna take nobody's talking about getting fired Ohio State. Man,
When you lose to Michigan three years in a row,
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your margin for air at Ohio State, I mean is tiny.
They got a I mean The only thing Ryan Dale
get a pass on is they get to the National
Championship and they lose to Texas and if it's a
you know, and that would be just like twenty five
NFL guys, and then it's just ridiculous to criticize them
like that game's gonna that's thirty four to thirty. Either way,
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it could be a call of fumble, circumstantial play. Other
than that, Ryan Day is gonna get heat. Michigan's just
the beginning. That's the first stop on the trip. Here
was Ryan Day this week on the pressure to face Michigan.
We felt it, like what it's like to not win
this game. It is bad. It's one of the worst
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things that's happened to me in my life, you know,
quite honestly, other than losing my father and a few
other things like it's, quite honestly, for my family, the
worst thing that's happened.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
So we can never have that happen again.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Ever. You can see the tension with Ryan Day. Hall
of Famer. Next Jimmy Johnson Live in LA. It's the Hurt.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd Weekdays
and Noon Easter.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
I'm Pacific all right, we get ten eleven minutes with
Jimmy Johnson not very often, and we get him in
studio today. So I love it. Fox Sports NFL analysts,
the two time Super Bowl champ, national champ, one of
the few college coaches that worked at the NFL level.
And I've always said, I don't get why the Hall
of Fame doesn't include both basketball does All right, let's
start with this. You were known as you loved personnel
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and you were great at it. You created I mean,
New York Giants didn't do trades before you made one,
and so you are viewed as sort of Sean Payton's
got some of this too. You like personnel, You're good
at it.
Speaker 5 (30:32):
Oh that I spent my time in personnel, you know,
around you know, even during the season, you know, looking
at free agents, and you know, even watching college football,
Like I love watching football, and so you know, I
was always on top of the game as far as
college football. And on top of that, when I first
went into the league, I'd been in a lot of
those top players homes. I knew their families, and so
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it gave me an advantage in drafting players.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
That's kind of what Jim Harbaugh has for the next
few years, exactly right. Okay, So let's talk about Dallas.
What would you do this offseason. There's some tough choices here.
Speaker 5 (31:05):
Well, first of all, they're so financially strapped, you know,
with some of these contracts.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
First of all, I would have never given Prescott a
new contract. I'd let him play it out, you know,
because he would you know, he's the highest paid player
in the league. He's not the best player in the league,
and he wasn't going to go anywhere. If he had
gone to the super Bowl with him, Hey, he wasn't
going to go anywhere. Pay him whatever, you know, and
if he you know, struggled in the playoffs, then you negotiate,
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or if he got hurt, you saved money. But they're
so financially strapped right now.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
I don't know. I don't know what they do.
Speaker 5 (31:40):
I don't know if you know, they talk about, you know,
change coaching. Well, I don't know if changing coaching is
going to you know, help them, because Mike McCarthy's a
good football coach and so I don't know that a
new coach coming in can solve the problem.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Would you consider moving, say a Micah getting a second
first round pick and trying to get some inexpensive star players.
Speaker 5 (32:02):
You know, Parsons is such a great, great player, it
would have to be a boatload of picks to trade him.
I wouldn't want to get rid of him. He is
their whole defense and he is a game changer. Al
Davis told me one time, you know, I was talking
about players, and he said, Hey, that particular player, the
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one I was talking about, Michael Irvin, wins games for you.
You don't want to get rid of a player that
wins games for you.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Good point. This next question is funny. You coach the
Hurricanes and the Dolphins, so Tua, not a very Hawaiian kid,
is going up the Green Bay. You told me something
funny yesterday. I hope you remember it. I asked you, Jimmy,
when you were at Miami and hadn't played Boston College,
how did you prepare your team? And you said to me, I.
Speaker 5 (32:51):
Got warmer clothes.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
I hated cool weather.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
And you know, both the University of Miami and with
the Miami Dolphins, I hated going into the cold weather.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
And you know, I think the Dolphins are.
Speaker 5 (33:03):
In a situation right now with their schedule. If they
could beat Green Bay. They had have an outside chance
at a playoff.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
They have to win.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
But they have to win.
Speaker 5 (33:13):
They have to beat Green Bay and they're not going
to beat green Bay. You know, a short week against
a good football team in twenty degree weather. I don't
think that's gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Yeah, I agree with you. I'm gonna talk about cam
Ward plays for Miami. You've seen him again. You're a
personnel guy. He's a lot of off platform stuff, right,
big arm, big arm, really big arm, off platform, lot
of backyard football. I think he's too good not to
draft if you need a quarterback, right.
Speaker 5 (33:42):
Oh, I think he's a top two or three picks.
I think Sanders, Travis Hunter, Travis Hunter probably the best
player in football. Yeah, you know, but outside of Travis Hunter,
as far as quarterbacks, you've got Sanders and you got
cam Ward.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
So what would you do knowing he likes to move,
he likes to get out of the off script, how
would you look at that draft? Colin?
Speaker 5 (34:03):
It's Caleb Williams. You know the same thing. You got
to you know, you got to really am in. You
got to say, hey, you take your check down. You know,
you know, he he makes some great plays by being
off platform and running around. He makes some great plays.
But he also turns the ball over doing that. You know,
he's got a great arm. Uh, he played may have
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the best arm in all of football. As far as
collegiate football, yeah, uh. He can make the plays. He
can make the right decisions. But as far as an
offensive coach, you've got to real him in and keep
him from making all those scrambles trying to make the
great play.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Just take what's there? Do you worry at all? You know,
Detroit's rolling over people. That's like a college basketball team.
Like you think to yourself, boy, they get to March Madness.
They don't have close games. But I don't think that
plays in football. I think if you're good, you're good.
You Your great teams rolled over a lot of people.
Maybe not the Eagles every week, but good teams. Do
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you worry though? When the opposite is evident? Kansas City
only plays close games?
Speaker 5 (35:08):
I think there's two things there. First, of all, those
close games I actually think helps their football team, and
that it gives them confidence that they can win the
close game. They can win at the end when you've
got Patrick Mahomes and it's a one score game, you
got a shot, you know, right there. But by the
same token, I think it's also an indication that you're
not quite as good as what you used to be.
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When you've got a Detroit that's rolling over teams, they
are a physical, physical football team. It's hard to beat
a physical football team. And so I think with Kansas
City it gives them confidence about winning those close games.
But by the same token, it's an indicator they may
not be quite as good as what some of the
opponents that are going to face in the playoffs. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
I don't think defensively they are as good, not as
good as right as Young. Last weekend Right brought them
right back down a couple of.
Speaker 5 (35:59):
Right And that's an indicator when you get to the
playoffs against the really good teams, you may be vulnerable.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Okay, So I want to ask you about the forty
nine ers. I said, it's one thing if everybody in
the building when you were in Dallas, everybody knew it
was a rebuild, you needed players. I mean, you probably
didn't have to talk people into that trade. Maybe Jerry
Jones you did, but your coaches knew we move hershel
against seven dudes what's hard, Jimmy, is when everybody in
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the building isn't sure you're supposed to rebuild. So if
you go look at the last twelve games with the Niners,
they're five and seven. They're paying like eight different guys.
They're best players. Trent Williams, George Kittle, Deebo are hurt
a lot. And my take is, listen, I look at
Detroit and Philly, in Kansas City, in Buffalo, San Francisco
doesn't look like that. I think they look and think inches.
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The last five times, Jimmy, they played the Chiefs their
own five and lost by blowout four times. I think
they need a big reboot. Is it hard because they're good?
They don't feel special to me?
Speaker 2 (37:06):
They don't.
Speaker 5 (37:06):
They don't seem special because they've got their best players injured,
you know, and they're not able to go over and
roll over teams the way they did before and dominate
teams because they were physical. They've had you know, the
green Law has been hurt. You know, they almost all
their top players have been hurt at one time.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Or those two guys missing every week. Yeah, and and
that that adds up.
Speaker 5 (37:31):
And on top of that, once these players get older,
and get more injuries. The next year they're gonna you know,
the percentage of them being injured is going to go
up each year.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
It's more and more and more.
Speaker 5 (37:43):
And a guy is not going to get injured, you know,
and be injured for two or three years and all
of a sudden become healthy, you know, And so it
adds up. And so that tells me that something's got
to change.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Yeah, I want to end with this the rookie quarter
yet bow Knicks. You got Caleb, you got Jayden Daniels.
I think Panics and JJ McCarthy could be good. Drake
May's shown me something. Is there one of them you
look at and you really like.
Speaker 5 (38:13):
I like Jaydon Daniels, and he hasn't played as well
the last few weeks.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Maybe hurt.
Speaker 5 (38:18):
He may be banged up a little bit, and teams
are starting to play him a little bit better, They're
scheming a little bit better on defense. Uh. But but
I like him a lot, maybe like him more than
any of the rest of them.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (38:31):
As far as Caleb Williams, we haven't seen all the
things that he can do. I mean, he was the
guy coming out of college. I think with a little
bit better coaching, and he didn't have it his first
few weeks or the first part of the season.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
A little bit better coaching.
Speaker 5 (38:47):
Then, I think that he can show that too. I
love him of course with bow Knicks. Yeah, he's got
Sean Payton. Sean does a great job.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
You know Sean pretty well. Yeah as Sean.
Speaker 5 (38:57):
You know, Sean does a great job with young quiquarterbacks,
and I think the two of them have meshed.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
You know, it's funny. As you went through the Troy
Aikman years, you knew very quickly you're a personnel guy.
You knew he was great. But when you're losing early
with these young quarterbacks like Jaden's hit a plateau, Caleb
is losing, now bow Nix, He's fortunate. Is it hard
when you're trying to build a young quarterback's confidence and
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they're losing every weekend.
Speaker 5 (39:26):
I remember my second year with Dallas. I tried to
get Troy into the Pro Bowl and he didn't make it.
He injured his shoulder. You know, before one of our
last games. We would have made the playoffs had he
not injured his shoulder. Now I'm sitting down on the
practice field, I said, I said Troy. I said, guy,
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I'm sorry you didn't make the Pro Bowl. And he said, Coach,
don't worry about me. He said, you keep bringing in
talent around me, I'll go to plenty of Pro Bowls.
And so he had that confidence. And he knew that
we were a young team and we were building, and
he knew eventually we would start winning a bunch of games.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
And you did.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
You brought in some good players.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
By It's week thirteen. Cold, you know, Jimmy, yesterday when
I asked him, I said, did you like coaching in
cold weather games? He said, Colin, I was a worst
coach because I was so worried about how cold I
was trying to stay warm. The great Jimmy Johnson, of course,
he is going to be with the crew tomorrow at
four for the Giants and the Cowboys. Every week Fox
NFL Sunday number one pregame show for about thirty years running.
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We lose count. There's so many Emmys stacked in this
building and you're a huge part of it. Coach, Thanks
for coming on today, all right, enjoyed it calling. Happy
Thanksgiving to you, your family, Ronda and everybody. Our two
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Here we go on a Thanksgiving Eve Wednesday, live in
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watching football, hanging out with family, and our studio lights
just went down. I have no idea what happened, but
jamac we are. Our audio is alive and well. And
how are things my friends?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Well?
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Power out is to start the day.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Yeah, this is somewhere in the world.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Nobody forget to pay a bill.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Maybe I'm not exactly sure. It'll take a while. I
thought Fox was doing fine, you know, I see them
flickering back on our auxiliary lighting. So we apologize for
our TV audience. You're here, we go, they're slowly, they're
slowly coming back up our auxiliary lighting. That's a first
in my career. There we go, by the way, I
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look better when the lights are off. So I do
apologize for the television audience. Uh So, anyway, I hope
you have a great time with your fam J mackwhile
of the Lively Show today, I saw you cut the
facial hair. I had to get rid of it.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Got a couple complaints. No, no, no management, just friends
and family.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
What are you doing all right?
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Well?
Speaker 1 (01:40):
First off, J Mack will have more on this. Daniel Jones,
the beleaguer quarterback for the New York Giants. Uh he
just signed with the Vikings. I'm happy for Daniel Jones.
No chaos, great offensive coach. Also, the Vikings get a
very experienced, nice kid. We talked about this yesterday. I
root for young people to avoid chaos. Maybe when you're
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older you can handle it. So Daniel Jones, great place
for him to go. Offensive coach, weapons, no pressure, understudy.
Great for the Vikings. They get a big, strong kid
with a lot of started. He loves the NFL, So
I want to talk forty nine ers. So the forty
nine ers, you know, I just got to a Super
Bowl and they've been sort of the reigning West Coast
power for a long time, and they're a very popular franchise.
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They're a little bit bit like the Yankees. Out east.
We're in the summer, everybody's wearing a Yankee hat. Out West,
it's a lot of Dodgers and a lot of San
Francisco forty nine er hats. There's a huge brand. They
fill stadium's home or away. And now I'm seeing a
lot of stories now blaming the coach Kyle Shanahan. Late
game management is the reason, says an NFL executive to
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the Athletic. I want to discuss that for a second,
and Deebo Samuel is supporting him. But it's funny about blame.
For years, Andy Reid, for years in Philadelphia, everybody knew
he was smart, but he got he got called a
terrible clock management coach. Oh just the worst. And then
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Andy Reid got Patrick Mahomes and that all disappeared. And
Brady and Belichick for years the Niners were the best
clock management, efficient, situational football team in the world. And
then Tom Brady went to Tampa and Belichick looked like
every other coach in the league with an average quarterback, penalties,
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clock management, losing games they led in the fourth quarter.
Funny how that works, isn't it? So? When your quarterbacks
in San Francisco for Kyle Shanahan or Jimmy Garoppolo, Trey
Lance and Brock Purty, who, by the way, maybe a
great fit, He's not a great quarterback. Brock Purty doesn't
erase your mistakes. Lamar Jackson does, John Elway? Did? Brady? Did?
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Peyton Manning? Did? Breeze? Did Marino? Did they erase mistakes?
Lebron's done this. Lebron has raised a lot of bad
coaching moves for a long time in the NBA. Now
that's what you know. The great players like a Yannis
can do or a Wemby can do. So that's what
the great athletes do. I mean USC Caleb Williams. Remember
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when he went to USC. They won eleven games. Defense
was atrocious. It was atrocious, maybe the worst tackling defense
in the country.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
US.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
He won eleven game, should have won twelve, but their
defense gave up a late touchdown to Tulane. I mean,
go look at Mike McDaniel with Tua. When Mike McDaniel
has Tua and I don't consider him a great all
time quarterback, but with Tua, you're like, man, Mike McDaniel,
who that guy is a wizard. Without him, he looks
like a bottom five coach. They can't get first downs.
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So here's the problem for Kyle Shanahan. Brock perty as
smallish hurt again. They were in the Daniel Jones sweepstakes.
They wanted a veteran back up. And by the way,
in his last twelve starts, I looked it up this morning.
Brock Purty six and six and a ninety five passer rating.
That's good. It's not a racer material. It's not Mahomes
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changing Andy Reid's career and narrative. So you can bang
on Kyle Shanahan all you want, but the reason they
took such a big swing on Trey Lance is they
were hoping he was an eraser. Because even if you're
a great coach Andy Reid, Belichick, Shanahan, if you have
just a good quarterback and not an eight plus quarterback,
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this is what happens to you. All of a sudden.
Now everybody's going, I don't know, he's losing a lot
of games. That Kyle Shanahan for the record of the
last twenty one Super Bowl winning quarterbacks twenty one eighteen
Hall of famers. Go look, go you could google it
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if Google was around twenty years ago. Go google how
much everybody hammered Andy Reid. Now he's considered by a
long shot, the best coach in the league. So yesterday
on this couple more to go. Starting December twentieth, for
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the first time ever in the history of college football,
we'll have a twelve team playoff. So it used to
be at the end you get you know you're When
I grew up, it was AP voted for it, the
media voted for the National Championship Game, which was hokey.
And there's BCS and a college playoff. Now for the
first time ever, this year we'll have twelve teams. And
so last night, two weeks left, they released the playoffs.
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Now again, do not overreact. Two weeks left in my lifetime,
college football's last two weeks rivalry week and Championship Week.
Anything can happen. I'll give you an example. J Mack
was right. Yesterday I'm gonna reverse my pick. I'm taking
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USC plus seven and a half points to keep it
close on Notre Dame. Why full stadium in La Lincoln
Riley's emptying the tank. They got nothing to lose. They
feel good after beating UCLA and Notre Dame's only face
two ranked teams since September. Every single USC game is close.
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The coliseum all be there, will be lit. They've got playmakers.
Notre Dame step up in class. USC beat LSU, and
they should have beaten Penn State and overtime at home.
To me, it's twenty seven, twenty six, twenty eight, twenty seven.
Don't be shocked if Notre Dame gets bounced. How about
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number two Texas for the first time in thirteen years
going to college station to face Texas A and M.
What do you think Texas A and M would love
to do? How about derail the greatest season for Texas
Longhorn football in like since the Mac Brown days. That
place is one of the hardest places to play in
the country. Marcel Reid, the quarterback for Texas A and M,
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the freshman is good. He's getting better every time we
see him. The Aggies d line exceptional. What was the
team that beat Texas Georgia their d line exceptional? Oh,
by the way, the Aggies. The Aggies have nothing to lose.
Texas all the pressure. Keep your eye on that one.
Oh did I mention that Tennessee's at Vandy? Vandy beat
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Alabama at home? Did I mention Georgia Tech and Georgia
Georgia texa good team beat Miami, So everybody freaks out.
I can see all the SEC fans. I can't believe
where we are ranked a week ago. Just last weekend Ole,
Miss Bama, Colorado, and A and m all lost unranked opponents.
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So it's not Thanksgiving, it's traps Giving. Watch out for
Notre Dame, watch out for Texas, watch out for Georgia.
People freak out, don't This is what's great. For the
first time in our lives, we get a twelve TI
team playoff. I don't have I just had a coach
yesterday tell me he thinks SMU is wildly underrated. Who knows,
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but my entire life college football regular season was amazing,
and then you'd watch a bunch of second tier cheesy
bowl games that stuff. Now, twelve team playoff. Can't wait
fired up. I mean about the only game I don't
see an upset is Ohio State hosting Michigan. I don't
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know how Michigan keeps it close. They're bad at quarterback,
they're on the road, they don't have big plays. Ohio
State will be more aggressive, playmakers everywhere, better at quarterback.
A lot of pressure on Ohio State. That one. I
don't see an upset. Everything else I wouldn't be shocked.
So j Max Jimmy Johnson later this hour, Joel Clatt
Top of the Hour. So you basically you got home
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and people said, get that thing off your face.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Oh you know, listen, hey, you take some l's, you
try some things.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
That's what happens.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
I didn't take an out on Daniel Jones.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
See where he ended up Minnesota. That was your big gut?
Was that your guests? Yeah, well, first of all, I'm
happy for the kid. I mean, to go to the
Giants is a mess. So he goes to like a
real team with real weapons and an offensive coach and
owners that are non meddling and a winning culture, and
he doesn't have to be a starter. So it's like,
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that's a nice gift for the kid.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
So let me ask you, Uh, what does this do
for the Vikings next year? Do you think it's a
given that Sam Darnold is not coming back and Daniel
Jones will battle JJ McCarthy for the starting job.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
That's what I think. I think it'll be JJ McCarthy's
team and you'll have Daniel Jones backing it up. And
I think I think this market because it's such a
bad college quarterback market. I mean it's Cam who's got is?
You know? Cam and shadou Or are like B plus prospects.
They're not A's Jalen mil Row people like, but he's
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a bit mechanical. He's Anthony Richardson, but people think a
little bit better. So that you don't have a great
quarterback draft class. So that means Donald. And because of
Aaron rodgers sputtering and kind of turn off on the market,
a lot comes with Aaron Rodgers. I think Sam Donald's
gonna have a very robust market.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
He could get paid by somebody.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
Oh absolutely, he will get The thing about McCarthy, I
did read that there was like a second surgery he
had to have somewhat recently. So it's not a given
that JJ McCarthy comes back, and it's his team and
he's ready to go right sitting for two years, that
could happen.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Jordan loves at for was it three?
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Yeah, So I wouldn't be shocked if Daniel Jones was
the starting play.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
I mean right now, we went into the season. We
didn't know before the season what Minnesota was. Well, now
Sam Donald's really good. JJ McCarthy's very promising, and Daniel
Jones will be the first or second best backup. This
is what I've been talking about with Atlanta. The worst
problem to have in the NFL or the best problem.
The best problem in the National Football League is, you know,
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we have one too many quarterbacks. Everybody should want that
Atlanta Cousins Pennix. That's not an issue. An issue is
we don't have an elite corner the Rams. And when
you play a team with AJ Brown, you play a
team with great receivers, now much you can do, you
just don't match up. So good day today, I'm gonna
release my pre Thanksgiving Super Bowl bubble. Haven't done this
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in a month. The teams I think can win it
usually jmc Unlike your facial hair, it lasts. It is
ver is a harborger of things to come, So we'll
do that next.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
in newone Easter nin am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio
FS one and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
So it is week thirteen in the NFL starting tomorrow
with three games Lions are gonna play. Rest of the
country's gonna see him now, not just the diehards and
the Lion fans. They take on the Bears, Giants, Cowboys,
we'll see I think Packers hosting Miami's fascinating. Get to
that in a bit, Jimmy Johnson this hour two. The
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NFL does a great job is there is an illusion
of parody. But because over the last decade there's been
all these rule changes which have all benefited offense, the
league has become very quarterback dependent. So if you have
a top ten quarterback, unless your coach is clueless, you're
going to be a playoff team. So if you go
to look at the AFC, for example, and you're going
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to see a lot of teams that have really, really
good quarterbacks. Mahomes, Oh what do you know? Josh Allen, C. J. Stroud,
Lamar Jackson, Justin Herbert and then you've got a couple
of guys in right now bow Knicks, but he's got
super Bowl winning coach, Sean Payton. You know there's Russell Wilson. Well,
he's won a super Bowl and so has Mike Tomlin.
So you can see very clearly you got to have
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the coach or the quarterback, or preferably both if you
go over to the NFC right now outside of Seattle
and Gino Smith so Gino's not a star quarterback, and
the head coach we don't know about. But Detroit, okay,
you got a super Bowl quarterback, Jared Goff, Jalen Hurts,
you got a super Bowl quarterback. Atlanta, you know, weakest
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division in football, But Kirk Cousins has been, you know,
a top ten quarterback now for a long time in Minnesota,
Green Bay and Washington. Now the NFC is the weaker,
but be honest about this, Sam Darnold and Kevin O'Connell.
Kevin O'Connell looks like a top five offensive coach in
this league. He may be a top five coach Green Bay.
Matt Lafleur, Shock, Jordan Love I think an elite quarterback.
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And then Dan Quinn's been to a Super Bowl as
Washington's coach. So you start looking around. Now, I don't
think Seattle's going to win this division. I think either
Matt Stafford or Kyler Murray are going to figure out
a way to win this division. And that would be
the elite quarterback category. So now here's the great thing
about the NFL. You can go from very bad to
very good instantly. It's the League of hope. Jim Harbaugh
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Chargers totally changed the franchise.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
C J.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Stroud, Demiko Ryans change the franchise. So the great thing
about the NFL is the League of hope. It's not
like baseball or the NBA or hockey that it takes
draft pick after draft pick after draft pick and you
have to change the entire roster. I mean, Chargers basically
brought in better coaches. Boom, They're good. They're not great,
they're good and so. And what's funny though it is
there's an illusion of parody. And I do think week
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to week anybody can beat anybody. But my Super Bowl bubble,
which I do about four times a year, is very familiar.
Inside the bubble, Josh Allen and the Bills, Mahomes and
the chiefs Lamar and John Harbaugh Ravens. Philadelphia a great franchise,
and I think we all think Detroit is loaded. I
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do think Pittsburgh, Green Bay, the Chargers in Minnesota are
just on the periphery, all capable of making the playoffs
and winning playoff games. But I think there's five teams
super Bowl level quarterbacks, quarterbacks that have been to Super Bowl,
that can hoist a trophy. So again, it is the
League of Hope, the parody thing Macro big picture eighteen
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game season. Longer a season is the more clarity, get early,
and I think right now week thirteen, we know who's
really really capable of hoisting a trophy. Here's j Mack
with the news.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
No, no, this is the herdline news.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
All right, let's start with the breaking news that Daniel
Jones cleared waivers and instantly was gobbled up by the
Minnesota Vikings. According to Fox Sports NFL insider Jordan Schultz,
I guess he'll have a chance to supplant Nick Mullins
as the top backup in Minnesota, though Mullins has been
in the system for.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
A long time.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Yeah, you know, Sam Donald's having.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
A great season.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
He was excellent last week against the Bears. I think
they had like seven yards per play, four hundred fifty
yards of offense.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Once again, an offensive coach saying, we can't have enough
quarterbacks in the room, whereas defensive coaches, you know, Pete
Carroll Atiana's Gino's good enough. Well, no, he's not in
a division with Matt Stafford, Kyder Murray and San Francisco
was rolling. So offensive coaches Kevin O'Connell's like, I don't
know how I'm gonna sort it out, but all take
another quarterback in the room. That's the difference offensive and
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defensive coaches. The offensive coaches are always like, you know,
give me another one. We'll see what. We'll see how
it works out. The defensive coaches tend to talk themselves
into we can win with a running game and defense.
But in the world we live in now, where fifty
five quarterbacks play a year, I'll take Daniel Jones on
my roster and figure out the rest.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
And it is interesting that now the starter in the
backup in Minnesota for a smart coach used to be
Jets and Giants quarterbacks. Sam Darnald with the Jets, who,
by the way, he looked terrible with the Jets. Sam Darnold,
he had an awful career a lot of people, and
he looks like a totally different quarterback totally So it's
possible that Jones could turn things around. At worst, he's
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like a trade ship, you know, like maybe again, I
don't think, you know, Smith is great, but I don't
think he's like a lot to be the starter next
year like Sam Darnold.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Would he be possibility in Seattle?
Speaker 1 (17:56):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
I mean I feel like it's almost like a lateral move.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Well, whatever, wherever Sam Darnold goes, he won't be as
productive as he is in Minnesota because he's not going
to get an offensive coach that smart.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Do you think the teams that are going to be
chasing Donald realize that or no?
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Well, we set up with Gardner Minshew. We said, don't
watch Gardner Minshew in Indy with that offensive coach go
to the Raiders and be the same quarterback. You're not
getting the same quarterback.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
How many times he's even benched the series?
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Yeah, I mean so, And we predicted it. We told
you Gardner Minshew and Indy with Shane Steik and that's
the best version of him competing.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
For a playoff spot down to week seventeen or eighteen,
and now they're out of the mix.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Let's move on big baseball story.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
Last night, in the middle of a lot of sports stories,
the Dodgers went out and made.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
A splash move.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
The World Series champs addressed a big pitching hole on
their roster by signing Blake Snell a five year, one
hundred and eighty two million dollar deal.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
I mean, well, they're gonna lose Walker. Buehler is going
to be a free agent, so they'll probably let him walk. Okay,
Jack Flaherty's another guy. He's probably gonna walk. So they've
got a they've got a prospect overseas they like a lot.
So you know, Young Motos their number one starter. Blake
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Snell pencils and it is their number two probably and
next year. There's a lot of talk they want him
to be a reliever. He doesn't want to be a reliever.
It would be weird to see him come in the
middle relief. But I think this is what the Dodgers do.
They don't fall in love. They fall in like, uh,
you know, they've had different pitch you know, they had
Manny Machado in town. They're like, that doesn't fit for us.
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They don't, they don't. They don't give everybody what they want.
They smart, smartly let guys walk, and I think they
really like their staff right now. But they're not going
to get in a bidding war for certain players, so
they'll they'll take Blake Snell.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
So the big two questions out of this Number one,
are they still in the mix for one Soto the
Yankee slugger? I mean, listen, it's not a salary cap thing.
They I guess they could just pay whatever they want.
Right They're flushed with cash, won the World Series, the Otani.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
You think they go for So don't you want to
see Juan Soto either with like the Yankees of the Dodgers.
Don't you want to see him or the Podres with
a good team so he can be surrounded by other
good teams. What I don't want is Juan Soto going
Team's not going to going to like Baltimore or a
Cincinnati where they pay so much for him. He got
bad guys hitting in front of him. They're out of
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a playoff race, and I know everybody loves Baltimore, but
they don't have the money that the Dodgers of the
Mets Steve Cohen have or maybe like Atlanta or Houston
has I want to see star players go to Philadelphia,
Mark Houston, Atlanta, Dodgers, New York so they can be surrounded.
I don't want Joe mauerd the Twins or Joey Boto
to the Reds where you have a great player and
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they can't afford a bullpen.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
Okay, So that leads to the second question. It's like
Colin the imbalance. You just talked about parody in the league,
in the NFL or the illusion of parody. The imbalance
in baseball is ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Well, Michael Jordan won six titles. Nobody talked about imbalance. No,
what he cared imbalance is over rates.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Well, there's a salary cap in the NBA.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
College football ratings are up. We know the four teams
that are going to play for the AT No.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
There's no salary cap. You can sign all the five
stars you want.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
But in baseball, if you look at the Dodgers payroll,
it's going to be so ten x a.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Third of the league. LA is a vibrant economy. So
the bottom line, Yankees got money Brave's got money, Astro's
got money, Met's got money, Dodgers got money, Podres have
more money. Boston used to have it. They don't spend anymore.
If there's five or six teams at the top of
any league, this idea, that parody is what moves. Any
game that SMU plays in in the playoff is going
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to be lower ranked than the Georgia, Texas, Oregon, Ohio
State Notre Dame game. Like everything in sports, Serena dominated
women's tennis for over fifteen years.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
So what But I guess the question would be, do
you believe that this all the good players going to
a handful of teams, some of the team basically being
a farm system.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Yeah, for the big boys.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Do you have any issue with that?
Speaker 1 (21:55):
No, it's been like that my whole life. People are
down just admitting it. I mean, has Pittsburgh ever really
been viable since like the seventies.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
Pittsburgh has a good pitcher, the guy who the Rookie
of the Year, All Star game starter, and it's like,
where's he gonna go in a year or two? When
is he going to be on a real team? And
if you're if you're a Pittsburgh pirates fan like not
a lot to get excited about it. Well, you can't
afford now, I know it's on the owner, right, the
owner has.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
To warn all billionaires. Oakland's owner was a billionaire too.
He decided that he came from family money. He was
just gonna use that as a way to make more money.
So I have. I mean, Michael Jordan was considered a
band owner. He made like a zillion dollars on the
Charlotte Bobcats or Charlotte whatever they're called these days.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
It doesn't matter playoff series with him at the helmet.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Yeah, I had never lose sleep on the whole parody thing.
It's like my whole life. Michigan, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Alabama, Oklahoma,
They've all been great in college football is indoor the
entire time. They don't go they don't go perfect, they
lose games. Vanderbilt beat Alabama, happens the game this weekend.
You've an eye on that.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
One final story is the so things did not go
well into desert last night.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
Yes, Bradley Beal returned and Sodakidi, but Austin Reeds in
the Lakers defense. We talked about I think two days ago. Uh,
they got Shredditt Phoenix with a one twenty seven blowout.
JJ Reddick not happy about the defensive effort afterward.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
We may have to just look at some things defensively,
particularly against really good offensive teams.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
They kind of kind of got whatever they wanted. If
you think about being disruptive, I think it starts there.
Teams are trying to disrupt what we do, just like
we're trying to disrupt what other teams are doing.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Yeah, in the NBA, there's too much talent. If you're
not locked in defensively, you're gonna get smoked. A couple
of nights ago, we watched the Denver Nuggets, a great
team at home, get hammered by the New York Knicks.
Just too many good players. If you're not ready to go,
you're gonna get You're gonna On baseball, you can play
with a hangover. If I got my ace on the
mound and nobody's focus, but the ace is throwing ninety
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nine and paint in the corners, you could be competitive.
In the NBA. You have got to be locked in,
especially against teams like Phoenix, the Lakers, Denver, OKC, Minnesota Nicks.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Well, this wasn't listen.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
This was a bad spot for the Lakers. The Sons
were getting two of their stars back. The only thing
I didn't like is Lebron and Ad played thirty five
minutes apiece in a game they lost by twenty seven.
That is just unnecessary. And I will say some Laker
fans are fired up. The Lakers in the third quarter
have had struggles all season.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Now.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
You know, in the NFL we talked adjustments at halftime, right,
and the good coaches adjusted win the third quarter. Why
are the Lakers always getting smoked in the third quarter?
Last night it was thirty six? You know who the
best third quarter of coaches in the NBA are. Kerr
is a legendary third quarter coach and Spolstras Yeah so well.
JJ Reddick's a rookie coach. He's got some good game plans, clearly,
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and then teams are seeing what they're doing and adjusting.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
If you go back to Matt Lafleur's first year coach
in the Packers, he had excellent game plans. The first year,
they were a very soft third quarter team. By the
second year, Green Bay was a very good the second quarter,
second half team. By Matt Leafluur's second year, you got
the great game plans and good third quarters. So I
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think that the difference between a pretty good coach and
a good coach. With Andy Reid, you get everything, you
start hot, you're good in the third quarter, and you're
great situationally. Those are that's the Peytons and and our
next guess, Jimmy Johnson. When you can do all three
levels of coaching, I think when you bring a first
year coach in and you're thinking, wow, it didn't look
like Andy Reid, Well, it was the difference between being
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a coordinator and creating a game plan and being a
head coach and having the voice in the locker room, pregame, halftime, situationally,
time out, like it's a whole like every other job
in America that you get to you taking up great,
you're learning on the job. And so I think, JJ Reddick,
this is what you think fifteen games into a rookie
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coach's career.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
O Brian Dables listening to that nice little rant by you,
I just don't know if he's a head coach honestly,
a great play caller offensive line.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
I don't know if he's at all right Jmack with
the news.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by. It's
the herd Line news.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
These college football fans get crazy on the twelve team playoff.
I was thinking about this this morning, is that I
think there'll be a bunch of upsets over the next
two weeks. Ohio State is just built to beat Michigan.
I think Michigan's gonna really struggle. They don't have enough playmakers,
they're on the road. Ohio State has gotten thump three
years in a row by Michigan, so they have they
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are totally focused. And Michigan lost fifteen guys to the NFL.
Their two best players are defensive players. Graham the defensive lineman.
It's Wilson's the corner, great players. I think Ohio State
is gonna hammer them, and usually these games are close.
But I just think it's a bad matchup for Michigan
and they're not playing well now. They were playing a
little better earlier. But it's interesting about Ryan Day. So
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I was thinking about this this morning. Everybody thinks the
pressures on Ryan Day to beat Michigan. But what's fascinating
about Ryan Day because they went all in. Ohio State
went all in on this team. They spent twenty million
dollars on the nil. I mean they just went and
bought players and they brought in Chip Kelly is. Let's
say he beats Michigan and loses to Oregon in the
Big Ten Championship, they'll be furious. So he has to
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beat Michigan and then Oregon that he already lost to.
And by the way, if he does that and they
played let's say Tennessee in their first game and lost,
he'd get hammered. They want him out. So Ohio State's
in a weird situation where they have a coach I
like in a great program, but everybody's like, oh, the
Michigan game. If he beats Michigan, he's gonna get no
credit for it. People are gonna go, well, Michigan's bad
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this year. Harball's not there, they don't have a quarterback.
JJ McCarthy's gone. And the following week, if he beats
Michigan by thirty and loses to Oregon, it's gonna be
people on the he's on the hot seat. He can't
beat Oregon. We got five star guys. They got three
and four star guys. And if he beats Michigan in
Oregon and then lose his first round. So every single
game for Ohio, I don't think there's another coach that
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faces that pressure. I mean Klin de Boor. People are upset,
but everybody knows he's a great coach, you know what
I mean. Like and Jalen Milroll gets a lot of
the heat. You know Sark would get heat. But I
think Texas has been so dry and so bad for
so long. They appreciate Sark's recruiting his personality. You know,
Texas feels like they're back. But the Ohio State situation
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is weird. They're gonna beat Michigan, but if they lost
seven days later to Oregon, I mean, they would be
at his throat, like they're the only team going into
this playoff. I mean, Kirby Smart can lose games. Nobody
wants to fire him. Everybody loves the Tennessee coach, the
notre dame young coach. They're happy to be here. They're
not gonna take nobody's talking about getting fired Ohio State. Man,
When you lose to Michigan three years in a row,
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your margin for air at Ohio State, I mean is tiny.
They got a I mean The only thing Ryan Dale
get a pass on is they get to the National
Championship and they lose to Texas and if it's a
you know, and that would be just like twenty five
NFL guys, and then it's just ridiculous to criticize them
like that game's gonna that's thirty four to thirty. Either way,
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it could be a call of fumble, circumstantial play. Other
than that, Ryan Day is gonna get heat. Michigan's just
the beginning. That's the first stop on the trip. Here
was Ryan Day this week on the pressure to face Michigan.
We felt it, like what it's like to not win
this game. It is bad. It's one of the worst
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things that's happened to me in my life, you know,
quite honestly, other than losing my father and a few
other things like it's, quite honestly, for my family, the
worst thing that's happened.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
So we can never have that happen again.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Ever. You can see the tension with Ryan Day. Hall
of Famer. Next Jimmy Johnson Live in LA. It's the Hurt.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd Weekdays
and Noon Easter.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
I'm Pacific all right, we get ten eleven minutes with
Jimmy Johnson not very often, and we get him in
studio today. So I love it. Fox Sports NFL analysts,
the two time Super Bowl champ, national champ, one of
the few college coaches that worked at the NFL level.
And I've always said, I don't get why the Hall
of Fame doesn't include both basketball does All right, let's
start with this. You were known as you loved personnel
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and you were great at it. You created I mean,
New York Giants didn't do trades before you made one,
and so you are viewed as sort of Sean Payton's
got some of this too. You like personnel, You're good
at it.
Speaker 5 (30:32):
Oh that I spent my time in personnel, you know,
around you know, even during the season, you know, looking
at free agents, and you know, even watching college football,
Like I love watching football, and so you know, I
was always on top of the game as far as
college football. And on top of that, when I first
went into the league, I'd been in a lot of
those top players homes. I knew their families, and so
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it gave me an advantage in drafting players.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
That's kind of what Jim Harbaugh has for the next
few years, exactly right. Okay, So let's talk about Dallas.
What would you do this offseason. There's some tough choices here.
Speaker 5 (31:05):
Well, first of all, they're so financially strapped, you know,
with some of these contracts.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
First of all, I would have never given Prescott a
new contract. I'd let him play it out, you know,
because he would you know, he's the highest paid player
in the league. He's not the best player in the league,
and he wasn't going to go anywhere. If he had
gone to the super Bowl with him, Hey, he wasn't
going to go anywhere. Pay him whatever, you know, and
if he you know, struggled in the playoffs, then you negotiate,
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or if he got hurt, you saved money. But they're
so financially strapped right now.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
I don't know. I don't know what they do.
Speaker 5 (31:40):
I don't know if you know, they talk about, you know,
change coaching. Well, I don't know if changing coaching is
going to you know, help them, because Mike McCarthy's a
good football coach and so I don't know that a
new coach coming in can solve the problem.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Would you consider moving, say a Micah getting a second
first round pick and trying to get some inexpensive star players.
Speaker 5 (32:02):
You know, Parsons is such a great, great player, it
would have to be a boatload of picks to trade him.
I wouldn't want to get rid of him. He is
their whole defense and he is a game changer. Al
Davis told me one time, you know, I was talking
about players, and he said, Hey, that particular player, the
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one I was talking about, Michael Irvin, wins games for you.
You don't want to get rid of a player that
wins games for you.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Good point. This next question is funny. You coach the
Hurricanes and the Dolphins, so Tua, not a very Hawaiian kid,
is going up the Green Bay. You told me something
funny yesterday. I hope you remember it. I asked you, Jimmy,
when you were at Miami and hadn't played Boston College,
how did you prepare your team? And you said to me, I.
Speaker 5 (32:51):
Got warmer clothes.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
I hated cool weather.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
And you know, both the University of Miami and with
the Miami Dolphins, I hated going into the cold weather.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
And you know, I think the Dolphins are.
Speaker 5 (33:03):
In a situation right now with their schedule. If they
could beat Green Bay. They had have an outside chance
at a playoff.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
They have to win.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
But they have to win.
Speaker 5 (33:13):
They have to beat Green Bay and they're not going
to beat green Bay. You know, a short week against
a good football team in twenty degree weather. I don't
think that's gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Yeah, I agree with you. I'm gonna talk about cam
Ward plays for Miami. You've seen him again. You're a
personnel guy. He's a lot of off platform stuff, right,
big arm, big arm, really big arm, off platform, lot
of backyard football. I think he's too good not to
draft if you need a quarterback, right.
Speaker 5 (33:42):
Oh, I think he's a top two or three picks.
I think Sanders, Travis Hunter, Travis Hunter probably the best
player in football. Yeah, you know, but outside of Travis Hunter,
as far as quarterbacks, you've got Sanders and you got
cam Ward.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
So what would you do knowing he likes to move,
he likes to get out of the off script, how
would you look at that draft? Colin?
Speaker 5 (34:03):
It's Caleb Williams. You know the same thing. You got
to you know, you got to really am in. You
got to say, hey, you take your check down. You know,
you know, he he makes some great plays by being
off platform and running around. He makes some great plays.
But he also turns the ball over doing that. You know,
he's got a great arm. Uh, he played may have
(34:25):
the best arm in all of football. As far as
collegiate football, yeah, uh. He can make the plays. He
can make the right decisions. But as far as an
offensive coach, you've got to real him in and keep
him from making all those scrambles trying to make the
great play.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Just take what's there? Do you worry at all? You know,
Detroit's rolling over people. That's like a college basketball team.
Like you think to yourself, boy, they get to March Madness.
They don't have close games. But I don't think that
plays in football. I think if you're good, you're good.
You Your great teams rolled over a lot of people.
Maybe not the Eagles every week, but good teams. Do
(35:02):
you worry though? When the opposite is evident? Kansas City
only plays close games?
Speaker 5 (35:08):
I think there's two things there. First, of all, those
close games I actually think helps their football team, and
that it gives them confidence that they can win the
close game. They can win at the end when you've
got Patrick Mahomes and it's a one score game, you
got a shot, you know, right there. But by the
same token, I think it's also an indication that you're
not quite as good as what you used to be.
(35:31):
When you've got a Detroit that's rolling over teams, they
are a physical, physical football team. It's hard to beat
a physical football team. And so I think with Kansas
City it gives them confidence about winning those close games.
But by the same token, it's an indicator they may
not be quite as good as what some of the
opponents that are going to face in the playoffs. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
I don't think defensively they are as good, not as
good as right as Young. Last weekend Right brought them
right back down a couple of.
Speaker 5 (35:59):
Right And that's an indicator when you get to the
playoffs against the really good teams, you may be vulnerable.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Okay, So I want to ask you about the forty
nine ers. I said, it's one thing if everybody in
the building when you were in Dallas, everybody knew it
was a rebuild, you needed players. I mean, you probably
didn't have to talk people into that trade. Maybe Jerry
Jones you did, but your coaches knew we move hershel
against seven dudes what's hard, Jimmy, is when everybody in
(36:28):
the building isn't sure you're supposed to rebuild. So if
you go look at the last twelve games with the Niners,
they're five and seven. They're paying like eight different guys.
They're best players. Trent Williams, George Kittle, Deebo are hurt
a lot. And my take is, listen, I look at
Detroit and Philly, in Kansas City, in Buffalo, San Francisco
doesn't look like that. I think they look and think inches.
(36:52):
The last five times, Jimmy, they played the Chiefs their
own five and lost by blowout four times. I think
they need a big reboot. Is it hard because they're good?
They don't feel special to me?
Speaker 2 (37:06):
They don't.
Speaker 5 (37:06):
They don't seem special because they've got their best players injured,
you know, and they're not able to go over and
roll over teams the way they did before and dominate
teams because they were physical. They've had you know, the
green Law has been hurt. You know, they almost all
their top players have been hurt at one time.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Or those two guys missing every week. Yeah, and and
that that adds up.
Speaker 5 (37:31):
And on top of that, once these players get older,
and get more injuries. The next year they're gonna you know,
the percentage of them being injured is going to go
up each year.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
It's more and more and more.
Speaker 5 (37:43):
And a guy is not going to get injured, you know,
and be injured for two or three years and all
of a sudden become healthy, you know, And so it
adds up. And so that tells me that something's got
to change.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Yeah, I want to end with this the rookie quarter
yet bow Knicks. You got Caleb, you got Jayden Daniels.
I think Panics and JJ McCarthy could be good. Drake
May's shown me something. Is there one of them you
look at and you really like.
Speaker 5 (38:13):
I like Jaydon Daniels, and he hasn't played as well
the last few weeks.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Maybe hurt.
Speaker 5 (38:18):
He may be banged up a little bit, and teams
are starting to play him a little bit better, They're
scheming a little bit better on defense. Uh. But but
I like him a lot, maybe like him more than
any of the rest of them.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (38:31):
As far as Caleb Williams, we haven't seen all the
things that he can do. I mean, he was the
guy coming out of college. I think with a little
bit better coaching, and he didn't have it his first
few weeks or the first part of the season.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
A little bit better coaching.
Speaker 5 (38:47):
Then, I think that he can show that too. I
love him of course with bow Knicks. Yeah, he's got
Sean Payton. Sean does a great job.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
You know Sean pretty well. Yeah as Sean.
Speaker 5 (38:57):
You know, Sean does a great job with young quiquarterbacks,
and I think the two of them have meshed.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
You know, it's funny. As you went through the Troy
Aikman years, you knew very quickly you're a personnel guy.
You knew he was great. But when you're losing early
with these young quarterbacks like Jaden's hit a plateau, Caleb
is losing, now bow Nix, He's fortunate. Is it hard
when you're trying to build a young quarterback's confidence and
(39:24):
they're losing every weekend.
Speaker 5 (39:26):
I remember my second year with Dallas. I tried to
get Troy into the Pro Bowl and he didn't make it.
He injured his shoulder. You know, before one of our
last games. We would have made the playoffs had he
not injured his shoulder. Now I'm sitting down on the
practice field, I said, I said Troy. I said, guy,
(39:47):
I'm sorry you didn't make the Pro Bowl. And he said, Coach,
don't worry about me. He said, you keep bringing in
talent around me, I'll go to plenty of Pro Bowls.
And so he had that confidence. And he knew that
we were a young team and we were building, and
he knew eventually we would start winning a bunch of games.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
And you did.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
You brought in some good players.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
By It's week thirteen. Cold, you know, Jimmy, yesterday when
I asked him, I said, did you like coaching in
cold weather games? He said, Colin, I was a worst
coach because I was so worried about how cold I
was trying to stay warm. The great Jimmy Johnson, of course,
he is going to be with the crew tomorrow at
four for the Giants and the Cowboys. Every week Fox
NFL Sunday number one pregame show for about thirty years running.
(40:32):
We lose count. There's so many Emmys stacked in this
building and you're a huge part of it. Coach, Thanks
for coming on today, all right, enjoyed it calling. Happy
Thanksgiving to you, your family, Ronda and everybody. Our two
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