January 16, 2025 • 43 mins
Greg Cosell from NFL Films joins the show to preview the Divisional Round match ups of the NFL playoffs
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
All right, here we go. It's hour two, Greg Cosel
in ninety seconds, live in Los Angeles. It's The Herd.
Wherever you may be and however you may be listening.
Thanks for making us part of your day. Lead story
today is Edwarder reports that Dion Sanders would accept the
job with the Dallas Cowboys if offered. Which I could
get Colorado Football Dallas Cowboys. Big gap there. Jerry is
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increasingly enamored with it. The athletic I trust them reported
yesterday Jerry was doing his own reconnaissance theory, was doing
a little solo work on the phone. So it is
you know a couple of people that like the spotlight.
I don't know how it would work, I really don't,
but I think if you look at the ascension of
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Dion Sanders, because he was a star player and then
he was a star TV personality, and then you know,
he wasn't one of the top analysts and TV. There
were other people, and he did this thing. Then he
got into coaching and he was back in the spotlight again.
And Colorado has been thirteen and twelve and twenty five
games and they're kind of okay in an okay conference.
And this would again, this would elevate Dion, who's you know,
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he's called primetime. It would elevate him to primetime. And
so I think he'd be interested and I totally understand that,
and he'd get a big raise and he wouldn't have
to do all this silly nil transfer portal stuff. So
if I was Deon Sanders, i'd take the job too.
Will it work that I have questions with. I don't
think the Philadelphia Eagles this morning or the Washington Commanders
are shaking in their boots. I think Mike Vrabel is
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somebody that you go oh, or Jim Harbaugh comes in
your division, or Sean Payton that's an uh oh. We'll
see with that. Let's go to Greg Cosel forty five
years NFL films. So let's start with one of my
favorite guys, and we had said after the Detroit debacle
that if he didn't play well against the Rams that
he was costing himself a lot of money. I still
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think he has a market. I think it's probably more
of a Baker Mayfield thirty five million dollars a year
market and not the big boy market. But let's just
talk donald for a second. What happened specifically to Sam
Darnold last couple of weeks.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Well, I think there are two different things based on
each game. I think against the Lions, he clearly missed
throws that he had made all season with poor ball location.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
There were throws to be made that he missed.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
His old line in that game was not particularly good either,
but there were throws to be made that he missed.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
The Rams game was a little different.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
He missed a few, for sure, but that was a
game in which his offensive line and I know I
mentioned this to you last week that I thought that
could well be a deciding factor in the game. It
was the Rams four man pass rush versus the Vikings
O Lion, which is not a very good pass protecting
O Lione, was really the major factor in the game.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
And then what started to happen, which.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Happens with a lot of quarterbacks, is the cumulative effect
of pressure really got to Donald, and he started to
play very fast. He started to be really uncomfortable. Now,
keep in mind, one of the things during the season
that made him really good was that he stayed in
the pocket, he waited, He made a lot of what
we call late in the down throws where there were
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people around him. So he had a lot of success
doing that during the season. But over the course of
the game against the Rams, just the effect of the
pressure he succumbed to it and he just was a
really uncomfortable player. You and I both know the narrative.
People are saying, Hey, that's the real Sam Donald. I
don't get into that, Colin, As you know, I can
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only tell you.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
What the tape shows.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Teams have to decide what he is depending on who
coaches him. We'll see about the Minnesota Vikings. Obviously they
drafted a quarterback with the eleventh pick in the draft.
You know, I don't know the owners. I don't know
what they're going to do. My immediate response would be
I'd probably be surprised if they signed him to a
lot of money, because they probably say to Kevin O'Connell, Hey,
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you're a really good coach. You draft a quarterback with
the eleventh pick, it's your job to make him a
good quarterback.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
All right, let's get into rams at Philadelphia. We'll start
with the Eagles. What did the tape say about the
Philadelphia offense, which I thought was pretty bad on third down?
The Philly offense against Green Bay, it just felt Philly
felt out of sorts to me. What did the tape say?
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Well, I think Philly colin has a just defined identity
right now as to what they are and who they are,
and if they don't have to step outside that identity,
they don't. And the reason they more often than not
don't have to is because of their defense. So they're
a run first football team and that run game includes
Jalen Hurts, which makes them a little more difficult than
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your average team to defend.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
And it starts with Barkley. That's who they are now.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
They started the game with a lot of quick rhythm
timing throws by Jalen Hurts. He was six for six
and then he got a little uncomfortable. He missed some things,
didn't see some things, and I think they felt the
way their defense was playing that they could win the
game playing their way, so they didn't have to go
beyond that. I think the question many have is if
they get into a game and whether it's this week
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or if they advanced, whether it would be against the Lions.
If they advanced, how would they have to play or
how would they play if they had to have Jalen
Hurts drop back forty or forty five times. The very
odd thing about Jalen Hurts is he has succeeded doing
this in the past, and he hasn't over much of
this season and even going back to the last six
to seven games last season, so it's really hard to
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understand why. I think they have some real advantages on
the perimeter with Brown and Smith versus the sort of
outside cornerback triumvit of the Rams, which is Witherspoon, It's
Williams and Durant, and I would expect them to take
some shots on the perimeter, and Jalen throws a really
good deep ball outside the numbers, so I'm kind of
waiting to see when they're going to do that. But
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because of their defense, they don't really have to step
outside of how they really play well.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Okay, I think the Rams offense is going to struggle
against Philadelphia. They played perfect last week. That won't happen again.
It's a short week of preparation. Kyron Williams is banged up.
They're very Puka Nakou eccentric. You could double him. The
Eagles have good corners. How what does the tape say?
You know, Listen, I saw the Rams offense against the
Bills this year and against the Vikings, and if you
only watch two games, you'd think it's the greatest show
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on turf. But they can be very inconsistent and very
slow starting. And now Warm Weather team goes to Cold
Weather against a really really talented secondary Rams offense Phillies defense.
What do you think?
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Well?
Speaker 3 (07:00):
To me, it's not the secondary as much perhaps as
the defensive front. I think the Rams all line can
be very up and down in terms of pass protection.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
I think there's some individuals who can be beaten one
on one.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
I think the Eagles can do that with Jalen Carter
and a very overlooked player named Milton Williams who's had
a phenomenal year at the other dtackle position.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
When they're in their pass rush a group.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
So you know, I think that the Rams are an
interesting offense because it really does start with the run game.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
I mean a lot of people might not be aware,
and you are.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
I know, Colin that Kyron Williams had three hundred and
sixteen carries this year and missed the last game of
the season, So I mean they're really a run first
football team.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
They're passing game, you know.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Stat The one thing about Stafford though, if he's hot,
if he's comfortable, and that's the key thing. If he's comfortable,
he can make great throws any time. But I just
think that that Eagles D line could be a deciding
factor in this game against against the Rams all line.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Okay, so let's get into Houston at Kansas City before
we do. Justin Herbert, like Darnold, took a lot of heat.
And my take's always been with Justin Herbert, is its
steps right, like like bad coach, bad coach, great coach,
You're not gonna win the Super Bowl. He didn't play
particularly well. I pointed out that Brett fav once had
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six picks in a playoff game, Dan Fouts five, and
Joe Montana got benched in a playoff game. What did
the tape say on Herbert?
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Yeah, you know those are narrative questions and which I don't.
You know, really that doesn't mean a lot to me.
I know everybody wants to discuss that, you know, I
think you have to understand one thing. You have to
put it in the context of who the Chargers are
on offense. Another team that's run first, they basically play
with a converted d end who's a full back. Now
that's what they do, that's how they start their offense.
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They could not run the ball at all, so now
they're stuck having to throw the ball with one quality
wide receiver, no really strong receiving tight ends. And it
was a game in which the interior of their old
line got manhandled and even their two tackles, Slater who's
very good, and the rookie alt they did not do
well against Hunter and Anderson. So they were just kind of
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physically beaten up front, and they had to play, to
use the cliche, they had to play kind of left
handed because they don't really want to drop back and
throw that often the way they had to in that game.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
So, you know, did.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Herbert miss them throws? Sure he did, But you know,
they got out of the way they were. They're comfortable playing,
and you know sometimes that happens in playoff games with
young teams with new coaches that have to go through
a learning process.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
All right, now, let's get into the Texans Chiefs. Texans
offensive approach, the stuff that worked against the Chargers, good defense.
How will it match up against Spags Chris Jones? You know,
now he's getting healthier, right, what will they look like? CJ.
Stroud and the offense and mixing against the Chiefs defense.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Yeah, they played the Chiefs week sixteen, Chris Jones, As
I recall, they're not playing that game. You know, I
think that in an ideal world, the way that Texans
would like to play is they'd like to have the
run game be a starting point, work the play action
pass game off of it, have CJ. Stroud be very
rhythmic and timing based, which he was last week and
therefore he looked pretty comfortable for most of that game.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
That's the way they would like to play.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Then they can work Collins on the outside and there
are some really good matchups there because no corner in
this league has played more press man than Trent mcduffey.
Who's now pretty exclusively an outside corner, does not play
in the slot hardly at all over the last number
of weeks. So that's the way they'd like to play now.
If their defense can keep the game together, they can
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continue to play that way. That's the way they played
last week against the Chargers because Mixon did not have
he only had six carries in the first half or
fifteen yards, But because of their defense and because of
the game flow, they were able to give him the
ball in the second half, where I believe he had
nineteen carries, and I think in the fourth quarter the
eighteen of their twenty one plays were called runs.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
So this is the way they would like to play,
but that becomes a function of their defense.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Colin, and you know, it's always hard to assess Patrick
Mahomes because he's such a great player, and when the
playoffs come, we see him raise his game to an
incredibly high level.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
But all we have is this.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Season, and the Chiefs were not an explosive offense during
the season, but they've also had a lot of time
off and players are going to be refreshed and healthy.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Yeah, I mean, I've found this to be true off
of by extra time. Andy Reid's the best coach in
the NFL, and so I think they take a mediocre
receiving cores and they make it better. All Right, let's
go Baltimore Buffalo the marquee game of the weekend. Listen,
you know the Baltimore defense. If you, as you noted
two three weeks ago, and you have said this several times,
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Baltimore's defense was an issue pre Thanksgiving. It's gotten better
post Thanksgiving. Yeah, when you look at I think Buffalo's
really got nice pieces. I think this is by far
and away their most complete offense with Josh Allen. Will
they have to be Josh Allen reliant or do you
think they can work on the margins here and move
the ball without being Josh Allen centric against the Ravens.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Well, I think the big question is can they run
the football? They clearly felt they could come out and
grind away at the Denver Broncos defense because they lined
up in the first half. They've liked to play with
six offensive linemen, which they do quite a bit more
than any team in the league this year. James Cook
had thirteen carries in the first half, Nine of them
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came on first down.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
Colin.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
They clearly felt they could physically beat the Broncos. I'm
not sure that that is going to be the case
against this Ravens defensive front. They got a lot of
big people at defensive tackle, a lot of guys whose
weight begins with the number three, and those guys are
hard to move. And they were one of the best
run defense teams in the league. So the question, and
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we don't know the answer. That's the great thing about
this weekend is there's so many unanswerables. The question is
do the Bills game plan with the idea that hey,
we can line up and run the ball, we can
put big people out there and have success. Or is
this going to be a tough go And this has
to be a little more of a Josh Allen centric game.
And by that I don't mean put on the Superman cape.
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I mean just have to throw the ball more on
early downs as more of a foundation of their offense
as opposed to the run game. And I think that
that's a question you really don't know the answer to
until we see the.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
Game on Sunday evening. Well, by the way, it's supposed
to be bitter, bitter called.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Which Lamar doesn't necessarily love that, but I do think
the Buffalo Bills on multiple occasions this year, their defense
has been susceptible to occasionally getting pushed around. So that's
why the odds, that's why the wise guys, that's why
Vegas guys like Baltimore this weekend. So you tell me
Lamar and Derrick Henry, Zay Flowers is still not practicing,
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it didn't matter last week. How do they match up
against Buffalo's defense?
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Well, it's funny you say that they only played eight
snaps last week with three wide receivers on the field,
and I'm sure that was a function of Flowers being out.
That's a really hard defense to defend, maybe the toughest,
excuse me, the toughest offense, Maybe the toughest offense to
defend in the league. With what Lamar adds to the
run game, I mean, look, they came out against the
Steelers and they pretty much said, not only do you
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have to stop Derick Henry, but you have to stop
Lamar in the run game. So it wasn't just the
threat of Lamar. They said We're going to run them
and you have to stop them. So their run game
is so multi dimensional and everything they do, and they've
got big people up front, and then the way Lamar
is throwing the ball this year, he's thrown it better
than he ever has. His ball placement has been more
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precise than it ever has. This is a really difficult
offense to defend. And you know, again I'm not predicting games,
but I'm really curious. Again, it's an unanswerable to see
how the Bills can handle it. I mean, Ed Oliver
is a really good player, but he's two hundred and
eighty pounds. So I'm curious to see how this all
plays out. And I think we'll find out pretty early
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because I think I think you'll see the same kind
of thing from Baltimore with Lamar being a factor in
the run game early to see how the Bills tactically
are going to defend that.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Okay, so now we get to commanders, big underdogs at Detroit.
I said it this week. This game for the Lions
is kind of instructive. Think about this for a second.
So Jared Goff is a pocket guy, but if Detroit
wins this game, they'll have to face a mobile Jalen Hurtz.
And if they got to the Super Bowl, a mobile
Lamar a mobile, Mahomes a mobile Josh Allen. So in
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a way, if Jaden Daniels is a bit of a
gift to play because on their roster they don't practice
against mobile quarterbacks. That's not what they do. And this
is an opportunity to face a team that you're clearly
better than. We don't know if they're better than Philly, Buffalo, Baltimore,
Kansas City. So I like Detroit in this game, but
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I mean I watched Shaden Daniels. I don't remember maybe
Andrew Locke, a rookie quarterback that was this good late
in game Situationally, what does the film say?
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Yeah, And I think he just has a really good
feel for movement. You know, we've talked for years, and
I'm not making a direct comparison, so I don't want
people to think I am. But we always talk about
Patrick Mahomes and just his spatial awareness, just the way
he kind of feels things and sees things without actually
having to look at them. Daniels has a little bit
of that to his game, and it's the movement element
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that's so difficult. And it's not just the design runs,
which they call design runs. Obviously for Daniels, but just
when he moves out of the pocket and the impact
it has on the defense. I remember having a conversation
with a very well respected defensive coordinator a few years
ago talking about mobile quarterbacks, and he said, the problem
is is you literally have to practice two defenses all
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week long.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
You have to practice a defense for the first two two.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
And a half seconds of a play, which is within
the structure of the play, and then you have to
practice what you do defensively after two and a half
seconds when the play becomes something totally different.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
And he said, that's really really difficult to do.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
And you know, that's the that's why mobile quarterbacks are
becoming more and more a factor in the league.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
And they're so difficult to defend.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
So in many cases, those guys don't have to be
pristine from the pocket because they can just make plays
that break down defenses. And that's what that's what Daniels
can do, and those kinds of plays Colin become more critical,
more sort of high leverages the term people use in
the fourth quarter of games.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Yeah, the let's go to the let's go to the
big play of the week with Jaden Daniels. Because we
know the Lions, we know what they do. They're gonna
move the ball to some degree. The wild card is
really in this game is can the Commanders keep up
because we know Detroit's dropping twenty five, twenty six, twenty seven,
twenty eight points.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Right, Yeah, And this play is a great example of
just what I'm talking about. It was from the game
week against the Bucks. And the Bucks as we go
to the play, the Bucks did what a lot of
teams are going to do against Jayden Daniels.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
They're going to.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Try to do late coverage rotation to confuse him. That's
what teams do with young quarterbacks. They show you one
thing and then they give you something else. So what
you're going to see here is you're going to see
Jaden Daniels. Okay, this was actually a second and long play.
So what is he looking at? Initially?
Speaker 4 (18:27):
Right now, he's looking at a single high safety?
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Okay, and what is he looking at from a front perspective,
He's looking at a pressure front. They're six up front,
So right now he might be thinking, hey, I'm going
to get some pressure. There's a single high safety. I've
got to be aware of that. Those are all alerts.
But what's going to happen here is there's going to
be a safety rotation. They're going to sink the safety
to the boundary and expand the safety to the field,
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and they're eventually going to get to cover two because
one of those linebackers that's on the ball is going
to drop out as what we call the middle hole
defender in cover two. So that's what you're going to
get here. You're going to get a change late coverage
rotation all designed to make Jade and Daniels have to
think through the play once he takes the snap of
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the ball instead of feeling comfortable. So what's going to
happen now is he's going to get really quick inside pressure,
so he's going to have to move. There's no way
here he can stay in the pocket. He's going to
have to move, and he moves to his right. So
this is where the second part of the play comes in.
The flat defender and the hook defender in.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Cover two, what do they do?
Speaker 3 (19:36):
They abandon their coverage areas of responsibility to react to
Jade and Daniels because they see him running right at them.
So what then happens? They abandon their responsibility. Diami Brown
is going to run across or essentially right behind them.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
They are now out of their coverage.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
It becomes an easy pitch and catch throw for thirty yards.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
This is just we were talking about the fact.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
That there's a second part of the play that you
now have to defend after you think you've done such
a really good job with your late location, your attempt
to try to confuse him. You know, everything works great
until he leaves the pocket, and then everything becomes different
and a play that you felt good about is now
a thirty yard game for Jaydeen Daniel.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
That's what you're dealing with.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Yeah, that's why they're in the playoffs. Greg Go said, great,
seeing you forty five years NFL Films. Thank you very much.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
Thanks Colin. I appreciate it again.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
That was just a really good play, Like you have
a defense and it's in its spot, and then you
have to react to him, and then you do, and
the kids so quick and intuitive. He's like, okay, I'll
just drop it off. That was a difficult throw that
became an easy throw in about half a second, and
that kid's smart enough to figure it out and see it.
We always talk about this in the NFL. I always
said this was Zach Wilson and justin fields. They have
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the arm and the mobility. They don't appear to see
the field well early Mahomes and Jaden Daniels. Jaden Daniels
sees stuff. He just sees, you know what's said. This
is about Gretzky. He saw the goal, He saw the
pass before it existed. Jaden Daniels and Mahomes had this gift.
He saw the open receiver before he was opened. He
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was a step half a second. He can see a
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Speaker 1 (21:48):
So I saw this story Jordan Schultz next Hour that
a report. I'm not reporting this that Russell Wilson and
the Steelers offensive coordinator Arthur Smith did not have a
good working relationship. So whereas Tom Brady got along with
almost everybody, Russell Wilson increasingly gets along with hardly anybody.
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Arthur Smith, his college coach, Tom O'Brien moved off him.
Pete Carroll at the end, Sean Payton now Arthur Smith. Privately,
I had a source tell me that Nat Hackett felt
he was limited and it wasn't a great relationship. So
Marshawn Lynch at one point said, I don't even have
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his phone number. I know him and I like him,
but there are multiple instances of former teammates criticizing him,
and it's just weird. You don't hear former teammates they
usually I mean, when Drew Brees retired, you had offensive
linemen going to the podium crying, and even guys like
Peyton Manning, who could be hard on teammates, had dozens
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of friends, dozens of friends in his locker room. So
there have been quarterbacks that don't get along with a
lot of teammates, Jeff George and Jay Cutler, but they
were kind of cocky and outspoken. Russ isn't It's more
political and inauthentic and unapproachable at least that's what it
sounds like. You know, you remember the fake in the
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high fives thing, or on the plane flight tour from
London where he was doing exercises and driving his teammates
crazy on the plane. Sometimes it feels like he's acting
as a quarterback and not just playing quarterbacks. So the
stuff doesn't bother me. But I do think there is
something that is true, is that being a quarterback involves
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a lot of things, and it involves leadership and toughness,
and there's some things. I think Russ is tough, and
I think he works really hard, and I think he's smart,
but he's not one of the guys. And I think
there's just too many instances. Why is this story getting out?
And why did the Peyton stuff get out? And the
Pete Carroll stuff get out? Why and the Marshawn Lynch stuff,
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and so you know, Brady was legendary for being the
best beer chugger in a locker room of beer chuggers
like like that. Brady was one of the dudes. And again,
Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen have very much despite their
wealth and talent and importance, kind of a one of
the guys feel I don't think everybody has to be
as good as Brady or Josh Allen or Lamar whose
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teammates love him. But you know, it's interesting. There was
a quarterback named Roger Staubach when I was a kid
growing up. So he was in the Naval Academy, ended
up making being worth almost eight hundred million dollars. He
was a brilliant guy who was in the military, very
very Christian, not a guy that would play around. He
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didn't necessarily you would think connect, you know, or have
a lot in common with some of his professional teammates.
And yet he was revered in Dallas by the coach
in the locker room. Have to put in the effort.
It's a real thing. In the NFL. Tom Brady used
to go and introduce himself to rookies. Hi, I'm Tom Brady.
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Everybody knew it was Tom Brady, but it and I
think sometimes with Russ he doesn't quite have that connectability.
The Steelers. I see this Arthur Smith story. The Steelers
really right now don't know what they're gonna do at quarterback.
According to Mike Tomlin, we.
Speaker 6 (25:29):
Don't have a quarterback under contract, and so we got
some major discussions there. It's also been I guess three
times out of the last four years we've we've taken
a quick exit from the tournament.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
And so.
Speaker 6 (25:41):
We're having all of those discussions and acknowledge that those
similarities exist. And obviously that's gonna be a component of
us in terms of our decision making this time around
relative to the subject.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
You know, the catch phrases, the fake high fives, whatever,
people are quirky. That already bothered me. But it is
another story leaking out about a trusted coacher teammate that
doesn't connect with him. There's something there that's off putting
to people. I remember we had zach Ertz on yesterday,
(26:13):
yesterday of the day before, and he was talking about
Jaden Daniels and I just wish more people would talk
about Russ this way when they were teammates.
Speaker 7 (26:24):
He has the ultimate quiet confidence. He is He has
such strong belief in himself, but it comes off in
a way that is so humble and guys, just I mean,
I have I compared him to Andrew in the training camp.
People called me crazy obviously playing with Andrew in college,
(26:48):
but just his poise, how how composed he is.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Yeah, and I think I think there's some things that
Russell has that are similar to that. But it's just
when you hear people talk about Jaden Daniels, it's with
affection and uh, and it feels like they really, really
deeply care about him. And I don't know what it is.
I'm not going to try to project her, guess, but
(27:14):
I'm just getting story after story after story, and Brady
played forever. I don't think I have one of those.
I don't think I have one of them. I mean,
Aaron Rodgers is prickly. He got a lot of guys
defending him. He got a lot of teammates that like
Aaron Rodgers and you know again, good looking Malibu house
cover of magazines. You could argue, Aaron, how does Aaron
(27:37):
connect with a lot of guys? He connects with enough
of them. J mcklin News, No, No, this is the
headline news.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
All right.
Speaker 8 (27:48):
Let's start with Jaden Daniels here. What an incredible rookie year.
He's had points to take home offensive Rookie of the
Year that I don't think there's anybody close.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (27:57):
He was tremendous against the commanders in a high leverage
down led to the game winning field goal.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Now.
Speaker 8 (28:03):
They faced the Lions Saturday on Fox and Jared Goff
was asked about how good the rookie's been.
Speaker 9 (28:09):
Extremely impressive, very very impressive for anyone that young to
do what he's doing and doesn't look like he is
a repee. It doesn't look like he feels like a repeet.
It feels like he understands the moment, is comfortable in it,
and so our Joe one defense is trying to make
him comfortable. And it's been a challenge for a lot
of teams this year, but I'm excited see what they do.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
I mean, you talk about a contrast in styles Jayden
Daniels and golf, but they're both successful. There's more than
one way to do it.
Speaker 8 (28:36):
I'll say, if you're Washington, you are doing cartwheels. You
got your guy, hopefully for the next fifteen years. That
being said, this just came across my desk, Colent, what so,
do you want to guess how many wins Washington has?
It's basically the buzzer this season, like walk off wins,
wins with like five seconds left in the game, five seven.
(29:00):
I mean, seriously, I'm not making this up. The Tampa
playoff game.
Speaker 10 (29:02):
Field goal walk off Bears. The Bears Hail Mary.
Speaker 8 (29:05):
They beat Dallas on a touchdown with three seconds left
in the eighteen Atlanta in overtime walk off, they beat
the Eagles with a touchdown with six seconds left.
Speaker 10 (29:14):
The Saints tried.
Speaker 8 (29:15):
To go for two to win the game with no
time on Rock, and then the Giants in week two
with a field goal at the buzzer. Seven wins with
like six seconds are left in the game or less. Now,
now that's unsustainable. Okay, that is just well, that's impossible.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
It is unsustainable. But winning seventy five percent of those
like Mahomes is sustainable. Okay, so it's going eight to
o or seven and oh is not sustainable. But Mahomes
beats everybody close. And you know, the one guy he
didn't old, Tom Brady in New England, went to to
zero against him in close games. So Brady spent a
(29:49):
career winning seventy five percent of his close games. Mahomes
couldn't beat him in close games. Now, nobody can beat
Mahomes in close games.
Speaker 8 (29:56):
That's that's a good point. I will also add I've
seen some numbers. I think they hit eighty six percent
on fourth down this season, which is about something the
greatest fourth down season in NFL history.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Yeah, Now I don't think that's sustainable, but I'm going
to argue that winning close games late in the last
minute is sustainable.
Speaker 10 (30:15):
Now, what's what's the argument?
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Just to the argument is some people they I saw
this on years and years ago. They were doing a
test on NASCAR drivers and it may have been Jeff
Gordon or somebody, and they were testing their heart rate
as they went around the corner at Daytona and his
heart rate did not go up. There are players, golfers.
Tiger Woods was great in tight tournaments. Yeah, Like I
(30:38):
think there are human beings that it's just an innate thing.
Their heart rate doesn't rise. I think Mahomes is a
classic example of he just flourishes in those big spots.
Michael Jordan flourished Tiger Woods. There have been golfers that
are very good in those moments and other golfers who
can struggle. And I think I think Jayden Daniels and Mahomes, Yeah,
I think it's just part of their personality. Unflappable, unflappable
(30:59):
never never, i'n't get rattled.
Speaker 10 (31:04):
Daniels just looks calm cool.
Speaker 8 (31:06):
That scramble against Tampa with the defensive tackle grabbed his towel.
That's how cloth he was to Daniels, and Daniel just
calmly went around the end and then just dove and
you got the first.
Speaker 10 (31:14):
They're like, oh, that's game over. This kid is he's special.
I just it as a Jets.
Speaker 8 (31:19):
Fan, it just kills me that we twenty years, we
can't fight one of those guys.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Ever.
Speaker 10 (31:24):
I mean you had longer than twenty years.
Speaker 8 (31:26):
I mean we thought we had something Sanchez, you know,
our guy here, Mark Sanchez. But just it's just it's frustrating.
And congrats to Washington.
Speaker 10 (31:33):
You guys have it real good. Let's move on to the.
Speaker 8 (31:35):
Bears, who are in the thick of their head coaching search.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Colin.
Speaker 8 (31:39):
They had the in person interview with Mike McCarthy last night.
I'm sure you're working your sources to find out where
they were dining. Caleb Williams obviously will have some say
in the decision, and an appearance on his former USC
teammate A'mara Saint Brown's podcast, Caleb Williams revealed what he
would like in his next head coach.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Strong minded, a leader of men.
Speaker 11 (32:05):
Selfishly, I want an office of minding guy so I
can build with him and you know, be with be
with their coach for the next nineteen seventeen fifteen years,
and so I can also learn and.
Speaker 8 (32:20):
Grow and you know, things like that.
Speaker 11 (32:24):
From him and what he's seen and what he you know,
what he's gone through with you know, maybe other qbs.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
I think all of that sounds reasonable. And that's why
Mike muccarthy now reportedly.
Speaker 10 (32:39):
Oh gosh, here we go. I wasn't going to read this.
They put this in the notes. Go ahead, No you
go ah, I don't you want to say it.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
No, they went to dinner last night. Apparently the dinner
was excellent. The laughs were flowing and somewhere's the beano.
Speaker 10 (32:51):
That's not what was in the report.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Uh, this is say it all right.
Speaker 8 (32:55):
I'll say the expectation was there going to be a
five six hour meeting. Oh my gosh, they're gonna and
it didn't come close to that. That's all we got
the details coming. Wasn't a long meeting doesn't mean it
wasn't a nice meal. I'm just curious, like, if you
got Caleb Williams, how much input does he have in
this process.
Speaker 10 (33:13):
Do you you ask him his thoughts? Do you give
names to him? Like I'm Joe curious about that?
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Good question. I think he just gave you the input.
Speaker 8 (33:20):
No, No, I'm talking to bears. Do they call him up? No,
not your buddy on the podcast, No, Kevin Warren and Pole.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
He just told the Bears what he wants. Sometimes you
speak to people directly. Sometimes you speak to people through
the press. Lebron has done that a few times. He
spoke to the Caves through the press.
Speaker 10 (33:38):
So let me Lebron had accomplished stuff. Let me flip it.
Speaker 8 (33:42):
So, are are the Bears a little to Caleb here
saying I'm on offensive mind a guy?
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Well, no, I don't think he was adamant or demanding.
I think he was asked what would you like? And
the first thing he said is leader of men. Okay,
you know, offensive coach I could grow with. That is
Caleb making his case for I had a defensive coach.
Our offensive line got horrible. So I think Caleb is
(34:09):
telling you subtly and not whatever how you view it,
Caleb is basically because leader of men is vague what
does that mean? But offensive minded coach is Caleb's way
of saying, I could have not put that out there.
I'm all put that out there. I want to I
want Ben Johnson, I want Mike McCarthy. I want an
(34:30):
offensive coach like Lincoln Riley that I can grow with.
Speaker 8 (34:33):
So again, I hope people listening don't take this the
wrong way. I like Caleb Williams, I'm rooting for. Would
a better answer have been, you know what, I got
confidence in my front office.
Speaker 10 (34:42):
They're gonna get us whatever.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
How could he say that he'd be lying, Well.
Speaker 8 (34:46):
Sometimes you gotta tell white lies. You do that sometimes,
I know I do. You don't tell some white lives.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
No.
Speaker 10 (34:51):
In interviews, you're totally forthcoming about everything.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Mostly yeah, all right.
Speaker 8 (34:57):
The final story is Ben Johnson, big name on the board.
Now the Freem's gone to the Patriots. There has been
a lot of momentum behind the Raiders being the team
to land Ben Johnson, and the athletic report that Johnson
is the leader in the clubhouse for the Raiders job.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
Now.
Speaker 8 (35:15):
This report goes on to claim that Ben Johnson will
be paired with his choice commander's assistant, GM Lance Newmark.
They were together for five seasons prior Ben Johnson originally
planned to me with only the Bears, Jags, and Patriots
before the Raiders stepped in.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
This is curious.
Speaker 10 (35:34):
Ben Johnson wants to go somewhere where they do not
have a PA.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
Well, you look in that division with Andy Reid, Sean Payton,
and Harbaugh. I think the Raiders are saying, we got
to keep up offensively because we have the worst quarterback.
I think the Raiders are gonna My guess is the
Raiders take Shaduur Sanders. That's what they're gonna do.
Speaker 8 (35:51):
You think he's gonna be there six?
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Well, I think they'll move up and maybe move a player,
but I think Ben Johnson and Shaduer Sanders, with their
defensive players and the effort, I think the Raiders will
be I would have no problem if you told me
Ben Johnson Shador Sanders in that coaching division because I
think Andy Reid's got a few years left, not a ton.
I don't have any problem with that at all. I
(36:16):
would sign. I signed off on Brabil to the Patriots. Excellent.
Ben Johnson to the Raiders. Now, I know it's a big,
big lift, but my take is the Raiders are going
to fire him in three years, and I mean literally,
I mean they fire everybody. So my take is, though
the Raiders at this point the division is so smartly
(36:39):
coached from the offensive side, go get clever in this
instance because you don't have a quarterback. Chicago's got the
quarterback and a better roster than the Raiders. I want
an adult say that the Raiders are mostly right now, quarterback,
coaching staff, some elements. They're a bigger rebuild.
Speaker 8 (36:57):
Let me ask you so, Joe the Brady was with
Buffalo right and he prior was with LSU. He had
Joe Burrow and Josh Allen. He's looked awesome as an
offensive coordinator. Okay, we've basically only seen Ben Johnson with
a stack deck in Detroit, an amazing offensive line, a
really good quarterback with the number one overall pick.
Speaker 10 (37:15):
I think golf was receiver running like they've had everything.
He goes to the Raiders. He's got nothing coming. They
don't have a quarterback.
Speaker 8 (37:22):
The offensive line has is in one or two parts.
The receiving room is below average, the running back served.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 10 (37:29):
Nothing that this idea that Ben Johnson's gonna go in
and be runner. He can try they don't have anything.
Speaker 8 (37:34):
I don't know that he's going to be successful there,
especially if you have to train up for sadure.
Speaker 10 (37:41):
I'm not loving this.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Yeah, I think McCarthy can stabilize the Bears. I don't
think the Raiders are stabilizable, right, right, right, I.
Speaker 10 (37:50):
Think it's the word.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
I think that McCarthy could stabilize a talented roster. I
don't think that's that is that shouldn't even be a
pursuit because I don't think the Raiders are a stable
and there never will be with this ownership group, They'll
never be stable. The mccaskeys are one hundred something. They
could pass away the family breaks it up within three years. Yeah,
Mark Davis is gonna own this thing until he passes.
(38:12):
So you can't worry about stability. Just go get clever offensively,
Just go the Bears. McCarthy would solve some of their
most of their on field stuff. I don't think the
Raiders are. They're not solvable.
Speaker 10 (38:26):
Sounds like it's not happening.
Speaker 8 (38:27):
But I would love to see Ben Johnson with Caleb
Williams and the running room they got and wide receivers
in the tight end they got some dudes.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
Shamack with the news.
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Speaker 1 (40:06):
So I watched the Warriors fend off Milwaukee and beat them.
They had a huge lead and held off the Tea
Wolves in one, and I missed the old Warriors. This
year's team. If Staff's great, they win. If he's not,
they don't. It's pretty simple. He doesn't have much of
a supporting CAFs not enough of one. Draymond Green, Yes,
but they just don't have enough great players to compete
(40:27):
with the okc's Cleveland's, Boston, Dallas. They just don't and
I think dynasties are good for sports because it feels
like you're watching an event, and increasingly Americans are watching Saturday,
Sunday sports, Monday night Football, World Cup, UFC fights event.
It's hard to get people to watch Monday through Friday
games that don't feel special. So Warriors with Kevin Durant
(40:50):
and without Kevin Durant and their prime felt special. NFL's
popularity have surged in the last twenty five years, with
two teams dominating New England in Kansas City. Major League
Baseball had a huge rating surge this year Yankees and Dodgers.
Is that equal does an equal more interesting? But Adam
Silver yesterday he was on the show and he was great.
(41:12):
He likes what he's seeing competitive balance.
Speaker 4 (41:16):
At the end of the day, we sell competition.
Speaker 5 (41:19):
To your point, if Kevin Durant couldn't have gone to
Golden State from Oklahoma City when he did, the team
he had gone to would have, almost by definition, if
it weren't already a great team, would have become a
great team. And for us, we think that's better league
wide in terms of creating more competition. That's what we're selling.
(41:40):
I mean, I think that's part of the reason for
the enormous success of the NFL. Any given Sunday notion
that nobody thinks twice if the Packers are in the
super Bowl, there's no bemoaning that it's a small market.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
But it should be duly noted that the Chiefs and
Mahomes and the Patriots and Brady have overwhelmingly dominated the
league for twenty five years during the growth. Now the
NFL is also different because of scarcity. There's one game
a week. It's just the way the world is working.
We're on our phones all the time, one game of
week scarcity. NFL games feel like an event. NBA games don't.
(42:16):
So I think what does work in volume sports like
the NBA and baseball is special. Major League Baseball when
they play in a cornfield special, Mets Phillies in London,
special home run Derby, special, World Series, special, Otani special, NBA,
you know, Steph and Lebron on Christmas, special Conference Championships special.
(42:41):
So I think, and I like the NBA Cup, which
you know, the colored court makes, you know, purple court,
great court, red court, whatever it is, it kind of
feels special. So I don't necessarily agree that dynasties are
bad for baseball or basketball, or for that matter, hockey.
(43:02):
NFL doesn't need them, but they've surged while having them.
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All right, here we go. It's hour two, Greg Cosel
in ninety seconds, live in Los Angeles. It's The Herd.
Wherever you may be and however you may be listening.
Thanks for making us part of your day. Lead story
today is Edwarder reports that Dion Sanders would accept the
job with the Dallas Cowboys if offered. Which I could
get Colorado Football Dallas Cowboys. Big gap there. Jerry is
(00:47):
increasingly enamored with it. The athletic I trust them reported
yesterday Jerry was doing his own reconnaissance theory, was doing
a little solo work on the phone. So it is
you know a couple of people that like the spotlight.
I don't know how it would work, I really don't,
but I think if you look at the ascension of
(01:11):
Dion Sanders, because he was a star player and then
he was a star TV personality, and then you know,
he wasn't one of the top analysts and TV. There
were other people, and he did this thing. Then he
got into coaching and he was back in the spotlight again.
And Colorado has been thirteen and twelve and twenty five
games and they're kind of okay in an okay conference.
And this would again, this would elevate Dion, who's you know,
(01:34):
he's called primetime. It would elevate him to primetime. And
so I think he'd be interested and I totally understand that,
and he'd get a big raise and he wouldn't have
to do all this silly nil transfer portal stuff. So
if I was Deon Sanders, i'd take the job too.
Will it work that I have questions with. I don't
think the Philadelphia Eagles this morning or the Washington Commanders
are shaking in their boots. I think Mike Vrabel is
(01:57):
somebody that you go oh, or Jim Harbaugh comes in
your division, or Sean Payton that's an uh oh. We'll
see with that. Let's go to Greg Cosel forty five
years NFL films. So let's start with one of my
favorite guys, and we had said after the Detroit debacle
that if he didn't play well against the Rams that
he was costing himself a lot of money. I still
(02:19):
think he has a market. I think it's probably more
of a Baker Mayfield thirty five million dollars a year
market and not the big boy market. But let's just
talk donald for a second. What happened specifically to Sam
Darnold last couple of weeks.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Well, I think there are two different things based on
each game. I think against the Lions, he clearly missed
throws that he had made all season with poor ball location.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
There were throws to be made that he missed.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
His old line in that game was not particularly good either,
but there were throws to be made that he missed.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
The Rams game was a little different.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
He missed a few, for sure, but that was a
game in which his offensive line and I know I
mentioned this to you last week that I thought that
could well be a deciding factor in the game. It
was the Rams four man pass rush versus the Vikings
O Lion, which is not a very good pass protecting
O Lione, was really the major factor in the game.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
And then what started to happen, which.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Happens with a lot of quarterbacks, is the cumulative effect
of pressure really got to Donald, and he started to
play very fast. He started to be really uncomfortable. Now,
keep in mind, one of the things during the season
that made him really good was that he stayed in
the pocket, he waited, He made a lot of what
we call late in the down throws where there were
(03:37):
people around him. So he had a lot of success
doing that during the season. But over the course of
the game against the Rams, just the effect of the
pressure he succumbed to it and he just was a
really uncomfortable player. You and I both know the narrative.
People are saying, Hey, that's the real Sam Donald. I
don't get into that, Colin, As you know, I can
(03:58):
only tell you.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
What the tape shows.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Teams have to decide what he is depending on who
coaches him. We'll see about the Minnesota Vikings. Obviously they
drafted a quarterback with the eleventh pick in the draft.
You know, I don't know the owners. I don't know
what they're going to do. My immediate response would be
I'd probably be surprised if they signed him to a
lot of money, because they probably say to Kevin O'Connell, Hey,
(04:21):
you're a really good coach. You draft a quarterback with
the eleventh pick, it's your job to make him a
good quarterback.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
All right, let's get into rams at Philadelphia. We'll start
with the Eagles. What did the tape say about the
Philadelphia offense, which I thought was pretty bad on third down?
The Philly offense against Green Bay, it just felt Philly
felt out of sorts to me. What did the tape say?
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Well, I think Philly colin has a just defined identity
right now as to what they are and who they are,
and if they don't have to step outside that identity,
they don't. And the reason they more often than not
don't have to is because of their defense. So they're
a run first football team and that run game includes
Jalen Hurts, which makes them a little more difficult than
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your average team to defend.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
And it starts with Barkley. That's who they are now.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
They started the game with a lot of quick rhythm
timing throws by Jalen Hurts. He was six for six
and then he got a little uncomfortable. He missed some things,
didn't see some things, and I think they felt the
way their defense was playing that they could win the
game playing their way, so they didn't have to go
beyond that. I think the question many have is if
they get into a game and whether it's this week
(05:33):
or if they advanced, whether it would be against the Lions.
If they advanced, how would they have to play or
how would they play if they had to have Jalen
Hurts drop back forty or forty five times. The very
odd thing about Jalen Hurts is he has succeeded doing
this in the past, and he hasn't over much of
this season and even going back to the last six
to seven games last season, so it's really hard to
(05:56):
understand why. I think they have some real advantages on
the perimeter with Brown and Smith versus the sort of
outside cornerback triumvit of the Rams, which is Witherspoon, It's
Williams and Durant, and I would expect them to take
some shots on the perimeter, and Jalen throws a really
good deep ball outside the numbers, so I'm kind of
waiting to see when they're going to do that. But
(06:18):
because of their defense, they don't really have to step
outside of how they really play well.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Okay, I think the Rams offense is going to struggle
against Philadelphia. They played perfect last week. That won't happen again.
It's a short week of preparation. Kyron Williams is banged up.
They're very Puka Nakou eccentric. You could double him. The
Eagles have good corners. How what does the tape say?
You know, Listen, I saw the Rams offense against the
Bills this year and against the Vikings, and if you
only watch two games, you'd think it's the greatest show
(06:46):
on turf. But they can be very inconsistent and very
slow starting. And now Warm Weather team goes to Cold
Weather against a really really talented secondary Rams offense Phillies defense.
What do you think?
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Well?
Speaker 3 (07:00):
To me, it's not the secondary as much perhaps as
the defensive front. I think the Rams all line can
be very up and down in terms of pass protection.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
I think there's some individuals who can be beaten one
on one.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
I think the Eagles can do that with Jalen Carter
and a very overlooked player named Milton Williams who's had
a phenomenal year at the other dtackle position.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
When they're in their pass rush a group.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
So you know, I think that the Rams are an
interesting offense because it really does start with the run game.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
I mean a lot of people might not be aware,
and you are.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
I know, Colin that Kyron Williams had three hundred and
sixteen carries this year and missed the last game of
the season, So I mean they're really a run first
football team.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
They're passing game, you know.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Stat The one thing about Stafford though, if he's hot,
if he's comfortable, and that's the key thing. If he's comfortable,
he can make great throws any time. But I just
think that that Eagles D line could be a deciding
factor in this game against against the Rams all line.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Okay, so let's get into Houston at Kansas City before
we do. Justin Herbert, like Darnold, took a lot of heat.
And my take's always been with Justin Herbert, is its
steps right, like like bad coach, bad coach, great coach,
You're not gonna win the Super Bowl. He didn't play
particularly well. I pointed out that Brett fav once had
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six picks in a playoff game, Dan Fouts five, and
Joe Montana got benched in a playoff game. What did
the tape say on Herbert?
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Yeah, you know those are narrative questions and which I don't.
You know, really that doesn't mean a lot to me.
I know everybody wants to discuss that, you know, I
think you have to understand one thing. You have to
put it in the context of who the Chargers are
on offense. Another team that's run first, they basically play
with a converted d end who's a full back. Now
that's what they do, that's how they start their offense.
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They could not run the ball at all, so now
they're stuck having to throw the ball with one quality
wide receiver, no really strong receiving tight ends. And it
was a game in which the interior of their old
line got manhandled and even their two tackles, Slater who's
very good, and the rookie alt they did not do
well against Hunter and Anderson. So they were just kind of
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physically beaten up front, and they had to play, to
use the cliche, they had to play kind of left
handed because they don't really want to drop back and
throw that often the way they had to in that game.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
So, you know, did.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Herbert miss them throws? Sure he did, But you know,
they got out of the way they were. They're comfortable playing,
and you know sometimes that happens in playoff games with
young teams with new coaches that have to go through
a learning process.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
All right, now, let's get into the Texans Chiefs. Texans
offensive approach, the stuff that worked against the Chargers, good defense.
How will it match up against Spags Chris Jones? You know,
now he's getting healthier, right, what will they look like? CJ.
Stroud and the offense and mixing against the Chiefs defense.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Yeah, they played the Chiefs week sixteen, Chris Jones, As
I recall, they're not playing that game. You know, I
think that in an ideal world, the way that Texans
would like to play is they'd like to have the
run game be a starting point, work the play action
pass game off of it, have CJ. Stroud be very
rhythmic and timing based, which he was last week and
therefore he looked pretty comfortable for most of that game.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
That's the way they would like to play.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Then they can work Collins on the outside and there
are some really good matchups there because no corner in
this league has played more press man than Trent mcduffey.
Who's now pretty exclusively an outside corner, does not play
in the slot hardly at all over the last number
of weeks. So that's the way they'd like to play now.
If their defense can keep the game together, they can
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continue to play that way. That's the way they played
last week against the Chargers because Mixon did not have
he only had six carries in the first half or
fifteen yards, But because of their defense and because of
the game flow, they were able to give him the
ball in the second half, where I believe he had
nineteen carries, and I think in the fourth quarter the
eighteen of their twenty one plays were called runs.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
So this is the way they would like to play,
but that becomes a function of their defense.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Colin, and you know, it's always hard to assess Patrick
Mahomes because he's such a great player, and when the
playoffs come, we see him raise his game to an
incredibly high level.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
But all we have is this.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Season, and the Chiefs were not an explosive offense during
the season, but they've also had a lot of time
off and players are going to be refreshed and healthy.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Yeah, I mean, I've found this to be true off
of by extra time. Andy Reid's the best coach in
the NFL, and so I think they take a mediocre
receiving cores and they make it better. All Right, let's
go Baltimore Buffalo the marquee game of the weekend. Listen,
you know the Baltimore defense. If you, as you noted
two three weeks ago, and you have said this several times,
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Baltimore's defense was an issue pre Thanksgiving. It's gotten better
post Thanksgiving. Yeah, when you look at I think Buffalo's
really got nice pieces. I think this is by far
and away their most complete offense with Josh Allen. Will
they have to be Josh Allen reliant or do you
think they can work on the margins here and move
the ball without being Josh Allen centric against the Ravens.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Well, I think the big question is can they run
the football? They clearly felt they could come out and
grind away at the Denver Broncos defense because they lined
up in the first half. They've liked to play with
six offensive linemen, which they do quite a bit more
than any team in the league this year. James Cook
had thirteen carries in the first half, Nine of them
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came on first down.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
Colin.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
They clearly felt they could physically beat the Broncos. I'm
not sure that that is going to be the case
against this Ravens defensive front. They got a lot of
big people at defensive tackle, a lot of guys whose
weight begins with the number three, and those guys are
hard to move. And they were one of the best
run defense teams in the league. So the question, and
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we don't know the answer. That's the great thing about
this weekend is there's so many unanswerables. The question is
do the Bills game plan with the idea that hey,
we can line up and run the ball, we can
put big people out there and have success. Or is
this going to be a tough go And this has
to be a little more of a Josh Allen centric game.
And by that I don't mean put on the Superman cape.
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I mean just have to throw the ball more on
early downs as more of a foundation of their offense
as opposed to the run game. And I think that
that's a question you really don't know the answer to
until we see the.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
Game on Sunday evening. Well, by the way, it's supposed
to be bitter, bitter called.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Which Lamar doesn't necessarily love that, but I do think
the Buffalo Bills on multiple occasions this year, their defense
has been susceptible to occasionally getting pushed around. So that's
why the odds, that's why the wise guys, that's why
Vegas guys like Baltimore this weekend. So you tell me
Lamar and Derrick Henry, Zay Flowers is still not practicing,
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it didn't matter last week. How do they match up
against Buffalo's defense?
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Well, it's funny you say that they only played eight
snaps last week with three wide receivers on the field,
and I'm sure that was a function of Flowers being out.
That's a really hard defense to defend, maybe the toughest,
excuse me, the toughest offense, Maybe the toughest offense to
defend in the league. With what Lamar adds to the
run game, I mean, look, they came out against the
Steelers and they pretty much said, not only do you
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have to stop Derick Henry, but you have to stop
Lamar in the run game. So it wasn't just the
threat of Lamar. They said We're going to run them
and you have to stop them. So their run game
is so multi dimensional and everything they do, and they've
got big people up front, and then the way Lamar
is throwing the ball this year, he's thrown it better
than he ever has. His ball placement has been more
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precise than it ever has. This is a really difficult
offense to defend. And you know, again I'm not predicting games,
but I'm really curious. Again, it's an unanswerable to see
how the Bills can handle it. I mean, Ed Oliver
is a really good player, but he's two hundred and
eighty pounds. So I'm curious to see how this all
plays out. And I think we'll find out pretty early
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because I think I think you'll see the same kind
of thing from Baltimore with Lamar being a factor in
the run game early to see how the Bills tactically
are going to defend that.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Okay, so now we get to commanders, big underdogs at Detroit.
I said it this week. This game for the Lions
is kind of instructive. Think about this for a second.
So Jared Goff is a pocket guy, but if Detroit
wins this game, they'll have to face a mobile Jalen Hurtz.
And if they got to the Super Bowl, a mobile
Lamar a mobile, Mahomes a mobile Josh Allen. So in
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a way, if Jaden Daniels is a bit of a
gift to play because on their roster they don't practice
against mobile quarterbacks. That's not what they do. And this
is an opportunity to face a team that you're clearly
better than. We don't know if they're better than Philly, Buffalo, Baltimore,
Kansas City. So I like Detroit in this game, but
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I mean I watched Shaden Daniels. I don't remember maybe
Andrew Locke, a rookie quarterback that was this good late
in game Situationally, what does the film say?
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Yeah, And I think he just has a really good
feel for movement. You know, we've talked for years, and
I'm not making a direct comparison, so I don't want
people to think I am. But we always talk about
Patrick Mahomes and just his spatial awareness, just the way
he kind of feels things and sees things without actually
having to look at them. Daniels has a little bit
of that to his game, and it's the movement element
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that's so difficult. And it's not just the design runs,
which they call design runs. Obviously for Daniels, but just
when he moves out of the pocket and the impact
it has on the defense. I remember having a conversation
with a very well respected defensive coordinator a few years
ago talking about mobile quarterbacks, and he said, the problem
is is you literally have to practice two defenses all
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week long.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
You have to practice a defense for the first two two.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
And a half seconds of a play, which is within
the structure of the play, and then you have to
practice what you do defensively after two and a half
seconds when the play becomes something totally different.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
And he said, that's really really difficult to do.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
And you know, that's the that's why mobile quarterbacks are
becoming more and more a factor in the league.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
And they're so difficult to defend.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
So in many cases, those guys don't have to be
pristine from the pocket because they can just make plays
that break down defenses. And that's what that's what Daniels
can do, and those kinds of plays Colin become more critical,
more sort of high leverages the term people use in
the fourth quarter of games.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Yeah, the let's go to the let's go to the
big play of the week with Jaden Daniels. Because we
know the Lions, we know what they do. They're gonna
move the ball to some degree. The wild card is
really in this game is can the Commanders keep up
because we know Detroit's dropping twenty five, twenty six, twenty seven,
twenty eight points.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Right, Yeah, And this play is a great example of
just what I'm talking about. It was from the game
week against the Bucks. And the Bucks as we go
to the play, the Bucks did what a lot of
teams are going to do against Jayden Daniels.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
They're going to.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Try to do late coverage rotation to confuse him. That's
what teams do with young quarterbacks. They show you one
thing and then they give you something else. So what
you're going to see here is you're going to see
Jaden Daniels. Okay, this was actually a second and long play.
So what is he looking at? Initially?
Speaker 4 (18:27):
Right now, he's looking at a single high safety?
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Okay, and what is he looking at from a front perspective,
He's looking at a pressure front. They're six up front,
So right now he might be thinking, hey, I'm going
to get some pressure. There's a single high safety. I've
got to be aware of that. Those are all alerts.
But what's going to happen here is there's going to
be a safety rotation. They're going to sink the safety
to the boundary and expand the safety to the field,
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and they're eventually going to get to cover two because
one of those linebackers that's on the ball is going
to drop out as what we call the middle hole
defender in cover two. So that's what you're going to
get here. You're going to get a change late coverage
rotation all designed to make Jade and Daniels have to
think through the play once he takes the snap of
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the ball instead of feeling comfortable. So what's going to
happen now is he's going to get really quick inside pressure,
so he's going to have to move. There's no way
here he can stay in the pocket. He's going to
have to move, and he moves to his right. So
this is where the second part of the play comes in.
The flat defender and the hook defender in.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Cover two, what do they do?
Speaker 3 (19:36):
They abandon their coverage areas of responsibility to react to
Jade and Daniels because they see him running right at them.
So what then happens? They abandon their responsibility. Diami Brown
is going to run across or essentially right behind them.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
They are now out of their coverage.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
It becomes an easy pitch and catch throw for thirty yards.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
This is just we were talking about the fact.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
That there's a second part of the play that you
now have to defend after you think you've done such
a really good job with your late location, your attempt
to try to confuse him. You know, everything works great
until he leaves the pocket, and then everything becomes different
and a play that you felt good about is now
a thirty yard game for Jaydeen Daniel.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
That's what you're dealing with.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Yeah, that's why they're in the playoffs. Greg Go said, great,
seeing you forty five years NFL Films. Thank you very much.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
Thanks Colin. I appreciate it again.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
That was just a really good play, Like you have
a defense and it's in its spot, and then you
have to react to him, and then you do, and
the kids so quick and intuitive. He's like, okay, I'll
just drop it off. That was a difficult throw that
became an easy throw in about half a second, and
that kid's smart enough to figure it out and see it.
We always talk about this in the NFL. I always
said this was Zach Wilson and justin fields. They have
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the arm and the mobility. They don't appear to see
the field well early Mahomes and Jaden Daniels. Jaden Daniels
sees stuff. He just sees, you know what's said. This
is about Gretzky. He saw the goal, He saw the
pass before it existed. Jaden Daniels and Mahomes had this gift.
He saw the open receiver before he was opened. He
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was a step half a second. He can see a
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Speaker 1 (21:48):
So I saw this story Jordan Schultz next Hour that
a report. I'm not reporting this that Russell Wilson and
the Steelers offensive coordinator Arthur Smith did not have a
good working relationship. So whereas Tom Brady got along with
almost everybody, Russell Wilson increasingly gets along with hardly anybody.
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Arthur Smith, his college coach, Tom O'Brien moved off him.
Pete Carroll at the end, Sean Payton now Arthur Smith. Privately,
I had a source tell me that Nat Hackett felt
he was limited and it wasn't a great relationship. So
Marshawn Lynch at one point said, I don't even have
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his phone number. I know him and I like him,
but there are multiple instances of former teammates criticizing him,
and it's just weird. You don't hear former teammates they
usually I mean, when Drew Brees retired, you had offensive
linemen going to the podium crying, and even guys like
Peyton Manning, who could be hard on teammates, had dozens
(22:58):
of friends, dozens of friends in his locker room. So
there have been quarterbacks that don't get along with a
lot of teammates, Jeff George and Jay Cutler, but they
were kind of cocky and outspoken. Russ isn't It's more
political and inauthentic and unapproachable at least that's what it
sounds like. You know, you remember the fake in the
(23:19):
high fives thing, or on the plane flight tour from
London where he was doing exercises and driving his teammates
crazy on the plane. Sometimes it feels like he's acting
as a quarterback and not just playing quarterbacks. So the
stuff doesn't bother me. But I do think there is
something that is true, is that being a quarterback involves
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a lot of things, and it involves leadership and toughness,
and there's some things. I think Russ is tough, and
I think he works really hard, and I think he's smart,
but he's not one of the guys. And I think
there's just too many instances. Why is this story getting out?
And why did the Peyton stuff get out? And the
Pete Carroll stuff get out? Why and the Marshawn Lynch stuff,
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and so you know, Brady was legendary for being the
best beer chugger in a locker room of beer chuggers
like like that. Brady was one of the dudes. And again,
Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen have very much despite their
wealth and talent and importance, kind of a one of
the guys feel I don't think everybody has to be
as good as Brady or Josh Allen or Lamar whose
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teammates love him. But you know, it's interesting. There was
a quarterback named Roger Staubach when I was a kid
growing up. So he was in the Naval Academy, ended
up making being worth almost eight hundred million dollars. He
was a brilliant guy who was in the military, very
very Christian, not a guy that would play around. He
(24:48):
didn't necessarily you would think connect, you know, or have
a lot in common with some of his professional teammates.
And yet he was revered in Dallas by the coach
in the locker room. Have to put in the effort.
It's a real thing. In the NFL. Tom Brady used
to go and introduce himself to rookies. Hi, I'm Tom Brady.
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Everybody knew it was Tom Brady, but it and I
think sometimes with Russ he doesn't quite have that connectability.
The Steelers. I see this Arthur Smith story. The Steelers
really right now don't know what they're gonna do at quarterback.
According to Mike Tomlin, we.
Speaker 6 (25:29):
Don't have a quarterback under contract, and so we got
some major discussions there. It's also been I guess three
times out of the last four years we've we've taken
a quick exit from the tournament.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
And so.
Speaker 6 (25:41):
We're having all of those discussions and acknowledge that those
similarities exist. And obviously that's gonna be a component of
us in terms of our decision making this time around
relative to the subject.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
You know, the catch phrases, the fake high fives, whatever,
people are quirky. That already bothered me. But it is
another story leaking out about a trusted coacher teammate that
doesn't connect with him. There's something there that's off putting
to people. I remember we had zach Ertz on yesterday,
(26:13):
yesterday of the day before, and he was talking about
Jaden Daniels and I just wish more people would talk
about Russ this way when they were teammates.
Speaker 7 (26:24):
He has the ultimate quiet confidence. He is He has
such strong belief in himself, but it comes off in
a way that is so humble and guys, just I mean,
I have I compared him to Andrew in the training camp.
People called me crazy obviously playing with Andrew in college,
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but just his poise, how how composed he is.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Yeah, and I think I think there's some things that
Russell has that are similar to that. But it's just
when you hear people talk about Jaden Daniels, it's with
affection and uh, and it feels like they really, really
deeply care about him. And I don't know what it is.
I'm not going to try to project her, guess, but
(27:14):
I'm just getting story after story after story, and Brady
played forever. I don't think I have one of those.
I don't think I have one of them. I mean,
Aaron Rodgers is prickly. He got a lot of guys
defending him. He got a lot of teammates that like
Aaron Rodgers and you know again, good looking Malibu house
cover of magazines. You could argue, Aaron, how does Aaron
(27:37):
connect with a lot of guys? He connects with enough
of them. J mcklin News, No, No, this is the
headline news.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
All right.
Speaker 8 (27:48):
Let's start with Jaden Daniels here. What an incredible rookie year.
He's had points to take home offensive Rookie of the
Year that I don't think there's anybody close.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (27:57):
He was tremendous against the commanders in a high leverage
down led to the game winning field goal.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Now.
Speaker 8 (28:03):
They faced the Lions Saturday on Fox and Jared Goff
was asked about how good the rookie's been.
Speaker 9 (28:09):
Extremely impressive, very very impressive for anyone that young to
do what he's doing and doesn't look like he is
a repee. It doesn't look like he feels like a repeet.
It feels like he understands the moment, is comfortable in it,
and so our Joe one defense is trying to make
him comfortable. And it's been a challenge for a lot
of teams this year, but I'm excited see what they do.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
I mean, you talk about a contrast in styles Jayden
Daniels and golf, but they're both successful. There's more than
one way to do it.
Speaker 8 (28:36):
I'll say, if you're Washington, you are doing cartwheels. You
got your guy, hopefully for the next fifteen years. That
being said, this just came across my desk, Colent, what so,
do you want to guess how many wins Washington has?
It's basically the buzzer this season, like walk off wins,
wins with like five seconds left in the game, five seven.
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I mean, seriously, I'm not making this up. The Tampa
playoff game.
Speaker 10 (29:02):
Field goal walk off Bears. The Bears Hail Mary.
Speaker 8 (29:05):
They beat Dallas on a touchdown with three seconds left
in the eighteen Atlanta in overtime walk off, they beat
the Eagles with a touchdown with six seconds left.
Speaker 10 (29:14):
The Saints tried.
Speaker 8 (29:15):
To go for two to win the game with no
time on Rock, and then the Giants in week two
with a field goal at the buzzer. Seven wins with
like six seconds are left in the game or less. Now,
now that's unsustainable. Okay, that is just well, that's impossible.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
It is unsustainable. But winning seventy five percent of those
like Mahomes is sustainable. Okay, so it's going eight to
o or seven and oh is not sustainable. But Mahomes
beats everybody close. And you know, the one guy he
didn't old, Tom Brady in New England, went to to
zero against him in close games. So Brady spent a
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career winning seventy five percent of his close games. Mahomes
couldn't beat him in close games. Now, nobody can beat
Mahomes in close games.
Speaker 8 (29:56):
That's that's a good point. I will also add I've
seen some numbers. I think they hit eighty six percent
on fourth down this season, which is about something the
greatest fourth down season in NFL history.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Yeah, Now I don't think that's sustainable, but I'm going
to argue that winning close games late in the last
minute is sustainable.
Speaker 10 (30:15):
Now, what's what's the argument?
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Just to the argument is some people they I saw
this on years and years ago. They were doing a
test on NASCAR drivers and it may have been Jeff
Gordon or somebody, and they were testing their heart rate
as they went around the corner at Daytona and his
heart rate did not go up. There are players, golfers.
Tiger Woods was great in tight tournaments. Yeah, Like I
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think there are human beings that it's just an innate thing.
Their heart rate doesn't rise. I think Mahomes is a
classic example of he just flourishes in those big spots.
Michael Jordan flourished Tiger Woods. There have been golfers that
are very good in those moments and other golfers who
can struggle. And I think I think Jayden Daniels and Mahomes, Yeah,
I think it's just part of their personality. Unflappable, unflappable
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never never, i'n't get rattled.
Speaker 10 (31:04):
Daniels just looks calm cool.
Speaker 8 (31:06):
That scramble against Tampa with the defensive tackle grabbed his towel.
That's how cloth he was to Daniels, and Daniel just
calmly went around the end and then just dove and
you got the first.
Speaker 10 (31:14):
They're like, oh, that's game over. This kid is he's special.
I just it as a Jets.
Speaker 8 (31:19):
Fan, it just kills me that we twenty years, we
can't fight one of those guys.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Ever.
Speaker 10 (31:24):
I mean you had longer than twenty years.
Speaker 8 (31:26):
I mean we thought we had something Sanchez, you know,
our guy here, Mark Sanchez. But just it's just it's frustrating.
And congrats to Washington.
Speaker 10 (31:33):
You guys have it real good. Let's move on to the.
Speaker 8 (31:35):
Bears, who are in the thick of their head coaching search.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Colin.
Speaker 8 (31:39):
They had the in person interview with Mike McCarthy last night.
I'm sure you're working your sources to find out where
they were dining. Caleb Williams obviously will have some say
in the decision, and an appearance on his former USC
teammate A'mara Saint Brown's podcast, Caleb Williams revealed what he
would like in his next head coach.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Strong minded, a leader of men.
Speaker 11 (32:05):
Selfishly, I want an office of minding guy so I
can build with him and you know, be with be
with their coach for the next nineteen seventeen fifteen years,
and so I can also learn and.
Speaker 8 (32:20):
Grow and you know, things like that.
Speaker 11 (32:24):
From him and what he's seen and what he you know,
what he's gone through with you know, maybe other qbs.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
I think all of that sounds reasonable. And that's why
Mike muccarthy now reportedly.
Speaker 10 (32:39):
Oh gosh, here we go. I wasn't going to read this.
They put this in the notes. Go ahead, No you
go ah, I don't you want to say it.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
No, they went to dinner last night. Apparently the dinner
was excellent. The laughs were flowing and somewhere's the beano.
Speaker 10 (32:51):
That's not what was in the report.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Uh, this is say it all right.
Speaker 8 (32:55):
I'll say the expectation was there going to be a
five six hour meeting. Oh my gosh, they're gonna and
it didn't come close to that. That's all we got
the details coming. Wasn't a long meeting doesn't mean it
wasn't a nice meal. I'm just curious, like, if you
got Caleb Williams, how much input does he have in
this process.
Speaker 10 (33:13):
Do you you ask him his thoughts? Do you give
names to him? Like I'm Joe curious about that?
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Good question. I think he just gave you the input.
Speaker 8 (33:20):
No, No, I'm talking to bears. Do they call him up? No,
not your buddy on the podcast, No, Kevin Warren and Pole.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
He just told the Bears what he wants. Sometimes you
speak to people directly. Sometimes you speak to people through
the press. Lebron has done that a few times. He
spoke to the Caves through the press.
Speaker 10 (33:38):
So let me Lebron had accomplished stuff. Let me flip it.
Speaker 8 (33:42):
So, are are the Bears a little to Caleb here
saying I'm on offensive mind a guy?
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Well, no, I don't think he was adamant or demanding.
I think he was asked what would you like? And
the first thing he said is leader of men. Okay,
you know, offensive coach I could grow with. That is
Caleb making his case for I had a defensive coach.
Our offensive line got horrible. So I think Caleb is
(34:09):
telling you subtly and not whatever how you view it,
Caleb is basically because leader of men is vague what
does that mean? But offensive minded coach is Caleb's way
of saying, I could have not put that out there.
I'm all put that out there. I want to I
want Ben Johnson, I want Mike McCarthy. I want an
(34:30):
offensive coach like Lincoln Riley that I can grow with.
Speaker 8 (34:33):
So again, I hope people listening don't take this the
wrong way. I like Caleb Williams, I'm rooting for. Would
a better answer have been, you know what, I got
confidence in my front office.
Speaker 10 (34:42):
They're gonna get us whatever.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
How could he say that he'd be lying, Well.
Speaker 8 (34:46):
Sometimes you gotta tell white lies. You do that sometimes,
I know I do. You don't tell some white lives.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
No.
Speaker 10 (34:51):
In interviews, you're totally forthcoming about everything.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Mostly yeah, all right.
Speaker 8 (34:57):
The final story is Ben Johnson, big name on the board.
Now the Freem's gone to the Patriots. There has been
a lot of momentum behind the Raiders being the team
to land Ben Johnson, and the athletic report that Johnson
is the leader in the clubhouse for the Raiders job.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
Now.
Speaker 8 (35:15):
This report goes on to claim that Ben Johnson will
be paired with his choice commander's assistant, GM Lance Newmark.
They were together for five seasons prior Ben Johnson originally
planned to me with only the Bears, Jags, and Patriots
before the Raiders stepped in.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
This is curious.
Speaker 10 (35:34):
Ben Johnson wants to go somewhere where they do not
have a PA.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
Well, you look in that division with Andy Reid, Sean Payton,
and Harbaugh. I think the Raiders are saying, we got
to keep up offensively because we have the worst quarterback.
I think the Raiders are gonna My guess is the
Raiders take Shaduur Sanders. That's what they're gonna do.
Speaker 8 (35:51):
You think he's gonna be there six?
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Well, I think they'll move up and maybe move a player,
but I think Ben Johnson and Shaduer Sanders, with their
defensive players and the effort, I think the Raiders will
be I would have no problem if you told me
Ben Johnson Shador Sanders in that coaching division because I
think Andy Reid's got a few years left, not a ton.
I don't have any problem with that at all. I
(36:16):
would sign. I signed off on Brabil to the Patriots. Excellent.
Ben Johnson to the Raiders. Now, I know it's a big,
big lift, but my take is the Raiders are going
to fire him in three years, and I mean literally,
I mean they fire everybody. So my take is, though
the Raiders at this point the division is so smartly
(36:39):
coached from the offensive side, go get clever in this
instance because you don't have a quarterback. Chicago's got the
quarterback and a better roster than the Raiders. I want
an adult say that the Raiders are mostly right now, quarterback,
coaching staff, some elements. They're a bigger rebuild.
Speaker 8 (36:57):
Let me ask you so, Joe the Brady was with
Buffalo right and he prior was with LSU. He had
Joe Burrow and Josh Allen. He's looked awesome as an
offensive coordinator. Okay, we've basically only seen Ben Johnson with
a stack deck in Detroit, an amazing offensive line, a
really good quarterback with the number one overall pick.
Speaker 10 (37:15):
I think golf was receiver running like they've had everything.
He goes to the Raiders. He's got nothing coming. They
don't have a quarterback.
Speaker 8 (37:22):
The offensive line has is in one or two parts.
The receiving room is below average, the running back served.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 10 (37:29):
Nothing that this idea that Ben Johnson's gonna go in
and be runner. He can try they don't have anything.
Speaker 8 (37:34):
I don't know that he's going to be successful there,
especially if you have to train up for sadure.
Speaker 10 (37:41):
I'm not loving this.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Yeah, I think McCarthy can stabilize the Bears. I don't
think the Raiders are stabilizable, right, right, right, I.
Speaker 10 (37:50):
Think it's the word.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
I think that McCarthy could stabilize a talented roster. I
don't think that's that is that shouldn't even be a
pursuit because I don't think the Raiders are a stable
and there never will be with this ownership group, They'll
never be stable. The mccaskeys are one hundred something. They
could pass away the family breaks it up within three years. Yeah,
Mark Davis is gonna own this thing until he passes.
(38:12):
So you can't worry about stability. Just go get clever offensively,
Just go the Bears. McCarthy would solve some of their
most of their on field stuff. I don't think the
Raiders are. They're not solvable.
Speaker 10 (38:26):
Sounds like it's not happening.
Speaker 8 (38:27):
But I would love to see Ben Johnson with Caleb
Williams and the running room they got and wide receivers
in the tight end they got some dudes.
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Speaker 1 (40:06):
So I watched the Warriors fend off Milwaukee and beat them.
They had a huge lead and held off the Tea
Wolves in one, and I missed the old Warriors. This
year's team. If Staff's great, they win. If he's not,
they don't. It's pretty simple. He doesn't have much of
a supporting CAFs not enough of one. Draymond Green, Yes,
but they just don't have enough great players to compete
(40:27):
with the okc's Cleveland's, Boston, Dallas. They just don't and
I think dynasties are good for sports because it feels
like you're watching an event, and increasingly Americans are watching Saturday,
Sunday sports, Monday night Football, World Cup, UFC fights event.
It's hard to get people to watch Monday through Friday
games that don't feel special. So Warriors with Kevin Durant
(40:50):
and without Kevin Durant and their prime felt special. NFL's
popularity have surged in the last twenty five years, with
two teams dominating New England in Kansas City. Major League
Baseball had a huge rating surge this year Yankees and Dodgers.
Is that equal does an equal more interesting? But Adam
Silver yesterday he was on the show and he was great.
(41:12):
He likes what he's seeing competitive balance.
Speaker 4 (41:16):
At the end of the day, we sell competition.
Speaker 5 (41:19):
To your point, if Kevin Durant couldn't have gone to
Golden State from Oklahoma City when he did, the team
he had gone to would have, almost by definition, if
it weren't already a great team, would have become a
great team. And for us, we think that's better league
wide in terms of creating more competition. That's what we're selling.
(41:40):
I mean, I think that's part of the reason for
the enormous success of the NFL. Any given Sunday notion
that nobody thinks twice if the Packers are in the
super Bowl, there's no bemoaning that it's a small market.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
But it should be duly noted that the Chiefs and
Mahomes and the Patriots and Brady have overwhelmingly dominated the
league for twenty five years during the growth. Now the
NFL is also different because of scarcity. There's one game
a week. It's just the way the world is working.
We're on our phones all the time, one game of
week scarcity. NFL games feel like an event. NBA games don't.
(42:16):
So I think what does work in volume sports like
the NBA and baseball is special. Major League Baseball when
they play in a cornfield special, Mets Phillies in London,
special home run Derby, special, World Series, special, Otani special, NBA,
you know, Steph and Lebron on Christmas, special Conference Championships special.
(42:41):
So I think, and I like the NBA Cup, which
you know, the colored court makes, you know, purple court,
great court, red court, whatever it is, it kind of
feels special. So I don't necessarily agree that dynasties are
bad for baseball or basketball, or for that matter, hockey.
(43:02):
NFL doesn't need them, but they've surged while having them.
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