November 29, 2024 • 40 mins
LaVar Arrington and Jonas Knox explain how the Bears firing HC Matt Eberflus is a sign of their dysfunctional organization.
Heisman Watch is underway live as Travis Hunter and Ashton Jeantypad their stats while the guys are on air. Deion Sanders' transformation of the Colorado program means so much to college football, but can it be replicated?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
This is the Best of the Herd with Colin cowher
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Speaker 3 (00:32):
It's a Herd Fox Sports Radio. LeVar Arrington, Jonas Knox
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As we embark to the second hour of this show,
here we were wondering, all right here on a black Friday.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
Hey, how'd you say it? What type of Friday? Black Friday? Hey?
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Oors Parker would say say, And by the way, this
is robinized jokes. Everybody's clear.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
Fridays. Well, I don't know about you, but every Friday's
Black Friday for me.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Which I have to I owe a text later. That's
our yearly tradition.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
But we were waiting to see whether or not there
was going to be any news out of the NFL
following the games yesterday. We got another one coming up
later on that we're going to get into the Raiders
and the Chiefs at some point. And the news is
not great for Maddie Refluse. He was fired by the
Chicago Bears less than an hour ago after that disaster
of a performance by the Bears towards the end of
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that game against the Detroit Lions yesterday. So the first
time in the history of the franchise, the Bears are
firing a head coach in season. And here's the best
part about that whole.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
What's the best part? See the best part?
Speaker 3 (01:52):
How about the fact that they let Maddy Refluse do
a zoom call with the media and then fired him
after the zoom call with the meeting.
Speaker 5 (02:05):
Well, we're in shows, we're in showbiz. They tell you
let him finish the show before you let them go.
They're gonna fire you before the show, even though you
got one more show to do.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
He shows, it's gonna hit you after you've done.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
He shows up to talk to the media on the
zoom call and the media is like, you are you
planning on being the coach? And Maddie Refluse says, yeah, listen,
I'm I'm planning. Operations are normal. I'm gonna be the
head coaches. We get ready for San Francisco, and then
like an hour and a half later, the Bears like, hey, Matt,
you got a second.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
Uh yeah, Riverside, you could get an early start on
your your holiday, get shopping, your your vacation time.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Like you know, we're going to go in a different direction.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Heuck man, I mean Keenan Allen I thought had the
most telling statement following the game yesterday when he said
the following, I felt like we as players put ourselves
in a position to win when you separate that fame,
not us as a team, like us as players. Malik
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Naghbors probably saw that, and we're like, damn, that's pretty good.
I should use that the next time I air out
the organization or my head coach. But it's just not
a great situation. It wasn't a great situation. And now
the conversation becomes where do you where do you turn
to next? And look, Jim Harbaugh wanted the job last year.
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Like that's I mean, like everybody's known that, Like that's
one of it.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
That was one of his spots.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Yeah, because they played, they drafted him and so that
was an opportunity. And now they're going to be looking
to try and bring somebody else in and they're going
to go with Thomas Brown the OC there.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
I just you hope, and.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
We talked a little bit with Albert Breer about this
last hour, like you would hope that they don't do
the whole Well, last coach was a defense coach and
now we're going to do an offensive coach and now
we're going to But it just feels like with this organization,
and you've talked about it with the Jets, dysfunction is
your MVP dysfunction And there is dysfunction, you cannot outperform dysfunction.
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I would challenge anyone who's listening to us have a conversation.
How many times have you seen in an organization, a business,
a relationship, anything anything that you want to take a
look at of real substance that you're looking for an
ROI on it, whether it be love, whether it be revenue,
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you know, money, whatever it is. Where have you ever
seen success and skill and talent and even love whatever
it may be. When have you ever seen it outperform
dysfunction and I listen, I lived in it as a player,
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and you start to try to make sense of it.
It's almost like an abusive relationship when you're in a
place that is so dysfunctional, because there's two ways of
looking at it. One is self preservation, so you don't
subscribe to all of the elements that play a part
in what that dysfunction is, and you stay to yourself.
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You do your job to the best of your ability,
and you try to keep that healthy amount of distance
in space between where the dysfunction is coming from. But
that doesn't help to cure or solve the dysfunction, and
you're not going to get that person's best foot forward
in those situations.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Just's not going to happen.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
Then there's the other side of it where it's like,
and you may have heard this before, I can fix it.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
That's the biggest the biggest.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
One, right is they need me, This job needs me,
this team needs me, this relationship needs me. Whatever it is,
I can fix it. And that, to me is where
it goes so wrong. And it has that, it has
that abusive feel. It's like, why didn't you leave, Why
didn't you say anything? Because I thought I could fix it.
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And you know what, it has always been undefeated. Dysfunction
has always been undefeated. You cannot get positive results. You
can't get positive outcomes if there is dysfunction at the
level that we see it at with some of these organizations,
it's just not possible. So you can't sit there and
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say you're you're confused or you're surprised that this is
why what happened, or you already know. If you can
look at an organization like the New York Jets, it's
a dysfunctional organization. I don't care who you have as
a coach, I don't care who you draft as the players.
I don't care who you get as free agencies as
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the players. It's going to be a miss some way, somehow,
there's going to be a miss. So my challenge or
what my sentiments would be when you look at what
the Beers have done, and they've been dysfunctional for some
time now, but now you have Hope and Caleb Williams
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as a franchise guy, my challenge would be as an organization,
as an owner of the organization, as the leads of
the organization, you have to take a look at what
your culture is, and at the top you have to
address what the dysfunctional aspects and components of what you
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bring to the table.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
The Dallas Cowboys, even.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
Right now with an organization that's been so historically amazing
in the New York Giants, they got to take a
look at what that dysfunction has become and the culture
that is created on the way down all the way
to your players that are going on the field. I'm
watching it take place in Washington right now, where there
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is a collective idea and body and belief that from
the top, if they can change the culture of what
this organization is from ownership and bring excitement and bring
hope and bring belief and buy in and a connection
to not only your employees within the building and the players,
but also with the community itself in a very real way,
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you can indeed change the culture of It doesn't happen overnight,
doesn't happen quickly, but you can change the culture these teams.
The biggest issues are at the top, and they're not
being addressed because, well, why would you address yourself. Sometimes
that's the hardest thing to do, is to find yourself
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in a situation where you have to address yourself and
you'll find out which one of these you know, which
teams are doing that. Seems like Detroit did that, like
hands off, let we let Dan Campbell come in. He
came in with a very very defined vision of what
he wanted the culture of this organization to be on
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down to its players. And it's changed here in LA
with the Chargers. Seems as though they brought in a
guy in Harball. They trust what he's his vision is,
they trust how he wants the culture to be and
they've allowed him to do it, and you can see
it in the players and how they play. You can
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see it in the results, and then that carries over
look at the fan base and how it's growing for
this Detroit Lions team.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
There's an overflow.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
They travel, come on many and by the way, you call,
and I always reference this because I think it's important.
You called a Lions Browns game when Dan Campbell was
there his first year and that ended up being Baker
Mayfields last year, I believe, And so there's a lot
in that conversation. But I always I'm fascinated by that
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because that was really the beginning of Listen, we're building something.
Everybody laughed at Dan Campbell. Everybody said, all the way
back to racing helmets, and he's he does double ventie
red eyes. He does two a day, and like all
these are just like, oh, he's one of these other guys.
And then you've just slowly seen they build, they build,
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they draft, well, Jared Goffs completely, you know, rejuvenated his career.
He's playing the best football potentially of his career. And
this is the guy who went to a super Bowl once.
It's like this idea that if the Bears think that
all right, we got rid of Matt eberflush, all right, now,
now everything's going to be good here, dude, they've since
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the nineteen eighty five Bears, they've won six playoff games.
That was forty years ago. Like this is not just
to madd he reflus his problem. To your point, it
rolls downhill time.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
At some point, when you look at these functional organizations,
you see the long laundry list of major names that
have been brought in. Whether it's a coach or whether
it's a player. You see this long list, and the
results generally may vary just a little bit. Maybe this
coach didn't make the playoffs, this coach didn't make the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
I mean, look at what's going on in Miami. Is
that dysfunction or not?
Speaker 5 (11:37):
I don't really know which means that it probably is
maybe the clock is struck midnight on Mike McDaniel and
now he's turning into a pumpkin. Because that was not
the look of a like we said, this team is
really good with Tua. Tua goes out, they're not really
a good team. But now we got to a back.
They go, it's cause it's cold. It can't because it's cold.
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A lot of them guys didn't have no sleeves on
their arms. Didn't look like it was cold enough where
you couldn't get out there and do what you needed
to do. It just didn't look good. When you look
at these teams and they bring in a different coach,
different coach, different coach, different coach, different players, different players,
but you're seeing the same results, like they hit the
same ceilings. Like whether it be the record, whether it
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be the amount of accomplishment. Did they make it to
the playoffs, did they not? Did they win a divisional title?
What are they When you look at these teams, it
be the same exact ones, changing coaches changing players and
getting the same results. They get the same exact results.
So you could get mad at media for calling it out,
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calling it what they think it is, calling it what
it may be. The bottom line is is if you're
paying attention to your organization and your organization is giving
you it's like meeting a person, right. If a person
shows you who they are, you should believe them. If
an organization shows you who they are art, you should
believe them. There's no reason as a fan to sit
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there and say, because I'm a fan of this team,
I can look at it and it comes out and
it plays out differently. That's not that's not correct. If
they've proven to you that this is how they do things,
this is the way things go. You know, you guys
are acting like, oh, when I was talking about the Jets,
like the Jets won't win ten games, I said, the
Jets will not do double digit wins because the dysfunction
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is so high in New York that they will not
make it to ten wins, Not because they.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
Don't have the talent.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
I meant ten wins over the span of two seasons.
So like, just to be clear, that.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Might be a stretch that might not be that might
that might be a stretch too.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
All I'm saying is a preseason games can why expect?
Speaker 5 (13:46):
Why expect that that Aaron Rodgers is going to be
the catalyst of change and a dysfunctional organization?
Speaker 4 (13:53):
And now you found out, now you figured out that
that is not the case.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
The Bears fired Lovey Smith after he went in six,
like they fired him after you went ten and six.
Remember how everybody, and I know this, people in Chicago
couldn't wait to get rid of Matt Naggy. They couldn't wait.
He had to go. He had no idea what he
was doing. He's he's ruining this organization. I don't know, man.
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He finished with a winning record and he took him
to the playoffs twice.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
You know, we've done We've.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
Done a lot of media and a lot of radio.
The one thing that it is funny to me is
being being successful. There's there's levels to it, and there's
degrees of it, and a lot of times people aren't
happy with real success. They're not happy with real success.
They had this delusion or or this this just maybe
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not not living in reality of what a ten win
season represents, what a winning season represents. Now you look
at you know, the conversations that we've had historically on
two pros and a cup of Joe that you can
catch by the way Eastern Standard time at six am
to nine am. We are filling in for Colin Cowhers.
That's Jonas Knox. I'm LaVar Arrington. The one thing that
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we have discussed and have really talked about is in
the college ranks, right, and I know it's different than
the league, but in the college ranks, you'll have a
day at Ohio State and he's under fire and he's undefeated.
It's like, wait, hold on, what happened? Loses to Oregon Eye,
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he's gotta go. He's gotta go. You lose one game,
you lose to Michigan. Nowye, he's got to go. Oh
to Ohio State fans. This means that he's got to
go because that's the game that counts. Yeah, but what
about all the other games that he's winning. You know
when those games count, Jonas, when he starts losing them,
they don't matter now because oh, he's eleven to O,
he's twelve and O.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
He gets to twelve and one. Got a firing Franklin
and Penn State.
Speaker 5 (15:58):
First season, and I who knows how long that they
went undefeated on the road. They have no road losses.
They have one loss at home, and not one loss
because it's to Ohio State. It's like he can't win
the big game. It's the Big Ten. Their strength of schedule,
they don't play anybody that it's the Big Ten. They're
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playing against the same teams that are in the conference
that everybody else is playing against. And people have a
problem with it when he loses one game. While it
is the one big game, it still is delusional to
think that you should just expect a coach and a.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
Team to win that much.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
So sometimes you get what you want, but then you
don't get what you really like in your mind, I
wanted us to be undefeated. I wanted us to go
to the super Bowl. I wanted us to go to
the Championship. I wanted us to win it. There's only
one team that can do it. And in the league,
if you ain't cheered for Kansas City, you haven't really
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had an Imagine being a Ravens fan. How close are you?
Imagine being a Bills fan? How close are you? But
yet how far.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
Away are you? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (17:10):
So I don't know, dysfunction, they'll get rid of you. Functional,
you start to find it, you get better. So to me,
it says that the Buffalo Bills is a functional organization.
You know why, because they're very close and yet they continue.
I thought they hit their ceiling. They didn't hit their ceiling.
They look like they're getting better. So that's a functional organization.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Always defended when you know the bangals, you know, or
you know, looking around and they're looking at coaches and
and they're you know, trying to decide whether or not
they want to keep Marvin Lewis. And I always defended
Marvin Lewis for this because they're like, oh, I can't
win a playoff game.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
Yeah, But they're there there every every year. I mean,
that's what's going on in Pittsburgh right now. People be
wanting Mike Tomlin out of there. That's every years.
Speaker 5 (17:57):
It's a functional organization. They're competitive every year. Whether you
thought they were frauds or not, they are in it
every single year. In the conversation for the for the
AFC North, and they're in the conversation for what can
they do in the playoffs every single year.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
But yet it's not good enough. Yeah, you gotta.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
You gotta be realistic on what you want your ROI
to be as a fan, and I think that's what
it ultimately comes down to.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
So it is The Herd here on Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington, Jonas Knoxen for Colin. Just to catch you
up to speed again the breaking news in the NFL
from earlier, the Bears firing Matt eber Fluss, head coach.
The offensive coordinator Thomas Brown will take over on the
interim basis for the remainder of the season. Coming up
next here, though, we are going to tell you how
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had enough playing nice. I'm gonna go ahead and let
it fly a little bit during an NFL game. You'll
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Oh my god, pick him up.
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Speaker 4 (19:46):
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Speaker 5 (19:54):
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Speaker 5 (20:09):
Said them's for some backless chaps.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
Damn. Hey.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
By the way, we got a we gotta we got
Heisman watch going on. We got Travis Hunter and Colorado
taking on Oklahoma State. They've got a twenty one nothing lead.
And you've got Ashton genty and Boise State up fourteen
to seven over Oregon State. Right now, Hunter almost came
down with a crazy one hand catch. They flipped him
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up a little bit. Genty I believe has one touchdown
so far. I think he went in took one in short,
but I don't know what his uh, what his rushing
yards are right now his stats are. But it's interesting
because I know coach Prime is aware of how close
the race is and the fact that Travis Hunter was
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not a finalist for the Thorpe Warward. Sorry inter ash
genty twenty one carries hundred and six yards and a touchdown,
not quite at halftime.
Speaker 5 (21:06):
That's not good for Travis Hunter or Colorado face one
hundred and it's not even halftime yet.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
Do you think there's still a chance.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
I know Travis Hunter is a touchdown catch in this
game against Oklahoma State right now, but do you think
you actually think there's a chance that Ashton genty could
beat him out for the I don't think there's any
chance at I think it's over.
Speaker 5 (21:29):
I think Gent can. I think gent can get it
because I think you can't hide stats for a running back.
It's not a h a high hidable stat. If he
continues to run at the pace, like if he's at
one hundred yards right now, what does he end up with?
Like one hundred and fifty, one hundred and sixty The
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odds on DraftKings right now Travis Hunter is a minus
thirty five hundred. I mean, I think he's the best
college football player in America. I've made that very clear.
I made it abundantly clear that if I were a voter,
I would vote vote for Travis Hunter. But with that
being said, you gotta keep in mind, I go back
to a time where, Okay, I thought Peter Warke was
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the best football player I've ever seen in my life.
Like that's like pre Reggie Bush. It was like Peter Worke,
and then came Reggie Bush. He wasn't up for any awards,
and now Grant it's a different situation because he got
in a little bit of trouble. But with that being said,
if you're looking at Heisman best player, Ron Dang.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
Got it that year.
Speaker 5 (22:34):
And Ron Dang got it because stats Ron stats are stats.
That man broke the NCAA rushing title with the amount
of yards that he ended up running for that year,
and it automatically made him a shoe in to win
the Heisman. I feel like Genty is like, when have
we heard a player get compared to Barry Sanders since
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Barry Sanders played in college. Now, I don't think I've
ever heard it. Hey, I don't think I've ever heard
anybody get compared. Maybe Ladanian lt that might be the
only one that I heard in terms of what they
were doing statistically that would lead to them being discussed
in the same breath as Barry Sanders and Ashton Genty
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is that player this year for college football? So to me,
I think that it's a great conversation. I'll say this,
I don't know definitively who's gonna walk in there and
walk away with the trophy. Well, I think I think
it's between those two. I think Travis, I don't even
and I don't think the voting will be close.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Like if Ashton Gent, Like if you were to bet
on Ashton Gent to win the Heisman right now, ten
dollars would win you a solar system. Like there's no
chance anybody other than Travis Hunter wins the Heisman. But
you know, I mean he does also have a you know,
bigger platform.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
I mean Colorado.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
That's why my point in Colorado is this, I really
we've talked about on the show before. I just hope
people know how much fun the last two seasons have
been and how good they been for college football with
because of Deon Sanders and Colorado IBBI the other storylines
in college football, but the fact that Colorado's back on
the map is awesome.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
He put he put up a video up on his
h on his social yesterday. It was a throwback Thursday,
and it was when him and uh Shadoor and and
and uh Bossi his daughter, when they they ended up.
You know, they they came to visit Boulder. They came
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to the stadium and was visiting it and they were
showing what it looked like like their hair, like just arrived, this,
that and the other. And it just showed the looks
on their faces, on Shador's faces, on Coach Brime's faces
while they were on the field. I thought it was interesting, man,
because you take a subtle, you know, calm, you know,
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solitary moment where it's just the family that's there on
the field and they're looking at this place that has
been dormant. You know, you haven't talked about Colorado and
and the way that they've talked about Colorado well and ever. Actually,
but this was a team that was once a storied
story team. I mean from the Darien Hagen days to
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Rashawn Salom and Cordell Stored and Charles Johnson and you
know Michael Westbrook. I mean, there was a standard that
was created and generated. You know Chad Brown on defense,
I mean, you know Deon Figures. I mean there was
a lot of really really talented guys that played for
this Colorado team that made Colorado a destinational place not
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only to play, but it was a destination to make
sure that you watch them play.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
They lost that.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
And whether you like Deon Sanders as a person or not,
the one thing that you cannot deny is that he
brought something. He brought a value to Colorado as a
coach that they've never seen before, and I would venture
to say possibly has never been seen before at the
college level. Now that doesn't mean that equates to it
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being a national title, but it could. That doesn't mean
that it's like, oh, well, what about you know Nick
Saban or you know your coach, what about Joe Paterno,
what about Bobby Bowden? Absolutely iconic figures, coach Robinson at Gramblin,
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Absolutely some of the most historical names you can throw
out there and say in those generations, what they represented,
no one else could match.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
What they were.
Speaker 5 (26:39):
Is Dion Sanders as a coach on that trajectory, I
don't know. But out the gate, you have a quarterback
that happens to be your son that will most likely
be the number one overall pick in the draft. Yep,
you have most likely the next Heisman winner on your
team as well. And it's not even you're a player
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that's going to go number one in the draft.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
You sell out. You're sold out.
Speaker 5 (27:06):
You have generated countless amounts of revenue for the state
and the university tuition all paid increased it a little bit.
Everybody is been benefiting from the Dion Sanders effect, as Blenders,
as KFC, everybody. He just launched the show. He's got
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a show, a show on was it to be?
Speaker 4 (27:29):
What is it to be? To be?
Speaker 5 (27:31):
To be?
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Dude is out here and he is totally And.
Speaker 5 (27:36):
What's interesting is it's not it's not a framework that
can be.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
It can it can be repeated. It's not.
Speaker 5 (27:48):
It's this is a a cot the tiger by the tail,
it's a it's lightning in a bottle, whatever you want
to call it.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
Eddie George just got named coach Coach of the Year.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
Where he's coaching right doesn't even begin to come close
to what the title wave effect that Deon Sanders had.
They're talking about hiring ray Lewis down in Florida, it
will not come close, not even close to what Deon
Sanders has done. Won't even come close. For one, Deon
(28:18):
Sanders understands the entertainment value of what goes into what
he's doing. For one, no one has ever really been
as good as him, No one's been that good at
doing it, and he's able to recreate it. And two,
he's actually a good coach and he went through the process.
I don't know ray Lewis's coaching coaching history back in Florida.
(28:40):
I don't think that. I don't think that he's coached
that much. I think he's done a lot and he
means he means a lot to the game. I don't
know how much he coached Eddie George, I don't know.
I don't know how much he coached. How many names
are we going to throw out there and that we're
going to say this is a former player that has
the brand name.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
And the fact that it's even attempting to be copied
is is such a compliment to It's like all the
Sean McVay. Guys like, oh, well he worked with Sean McVay.
You must that's such a compliment to Sean. And then
it's not going to be replicated. And there were so
many people who wanted to see them fail when they
(29:16):
got off to that hot start last year and it
was like, oh, who are they playing?
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (29:20):
And then they started to struggle down the stretch and
they struggled against Colorado State, and like people just couldn't
wait to see them fail and that was the expectation.
And then you saw how the game played out against
Nebraska and you're like, oh, it looks like typical Colorado Dion,
and they've just gotten better and better and better, and
yeah last week was not a great look and and
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and not a great.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
Performance, but they lost. It's college football, and he's still building.
They also the Big twelve. Who the hell can figure
out the Big twelve?
Speaker 3 (29:50):
Kansas is clipping people left and right, like bro five wins.
Speaker 5 (29:55):
That team won one game when Dion took it over.
They were one team.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
They won.
Speaker 5 (30:02):
How many more games they won like three or four
last year? I believe something to that effect. Wasn't that
many they won they won games last year, but it
wasn't they were nowhere near five hundred and where they
are today, Where Colorado football is today, with their record,
with the amount of clout that their players are receiving,
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and the recognition, the way the offensive front is playing.
They established a running attack this year. Their defensive line
is totally transformed. You bring in a great football mind
and Warren Sap. Nobody else would have took a shot
on Warren's sap. You keep saying Terrell Owens on Tarrell
on the sideline with them, I would not be shocked
or surprised if you end up seeing Terrell Owens being
(30:45):
a coach on this coaching stat I want to see
that warrant they.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
Just brought in.
Speaker 5 (30:50):
They brought in George Hegeman, who is If you know
who George Hegeman is an offensive lineman played for the
Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
Look him up. One of the dopest dudes that.
Speaker 5 (30:59):
You'll ever meet and has been a major, major, major
piece to the success that IMG Academy is and were.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
Having in Florida while he was there.
Speaker 5 (31:12):
So the people that that Dion has brought in first
and foremost, you got to be in this.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
World to know who they are.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
If you're living in it. Dion has met so many
people from the time he did Truth from the youth level.
Dion then did Truth the high school and met a
ton of people on that level. Not to mention, all
the while, he's in media and he's building his brand,
and he's showing you his care. He's building his credit
credibility in terms of what he understands of the game,
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how he views the game by giving you insight and
commentary and and you know, analyzing the games and and
what's going on and what's taking place. So you know,
Dion understands the game. But what a lot of people
failed to realize is Dion went through the process.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
He executed the process perfectly.
Speaker 5 (32:05):
And he'll tell you, I built my plan for my
life around my children.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
So I don't care what his motivation was.
Speaker 5 (32:14):
His motivation was he wanted to be there for his
kids and be there with them growing up great. The
bottom line is that trusting and building the process of
being there with his kids the whole entire way has
led to him being a hell of a coach. He's
got a hell of a staff that's been with him
since they were at the youth level. So you're talking
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about twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen plus years that the bulk
of his coaching staff has been together. It's not a
surprise that he's getting the results that he's getting and
he will continue to get him He's connected to a
scouting service. You don't even want to get into all
of that. He's connected to directly to a scouting service
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that helps choose the All Americans for the under armoor game.
He's got a great relationship with them. Look him up
three step. He has done it the right way. He
knows how to get to the athletes, he knows what
they want. His cache and what he brings to the
table is good enough. And now he's winning. So you
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take all that, you have a perfect storm. You will
not be able to replicate or recreate that. If you're
trying to do that, you are going to come grossly,
grossly short of what it is that Colorado has been
able to create. And I think that that's why he's
going to stay at Colorado because he has the keys
to the kingdom. He can continue to build that kingdom.
And I would not be surprised if this is a
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college playoff team that in the next three to five years,
will actually be able to compete and contend in the
playoff to possibly win a championship for Colorado.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
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Coming off top of next hour, a little over ten
minutes from now, we are going to get into more
conversation the details still coming out on the breaking news
from the NFL. Last hour, we talked here on the show,
Matt Ebraflus fired by the Chicago Bears. Thomas Brown, the
offensive coordinator, will be the interim head coach.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
You know, good for him.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
We just got the job as oc about you know,
fifteen minutes ago. So now he's the head coach.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
All of us. Oh, fifteen twenty minutes ago. Well that's
a quick climb.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
Let me look at my watch. That's a quick climb
of the coaching ranks. Hey jesus. But we'll have more
on that bick of it all too. It's tough for
next hour here right now, it is time for another edition.
Speaker 4 (35:20):
Of this No no, no, turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
This is the headline news, all.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
Right, lead to lapse.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
What do we got?
Speaker 4 (35:29):
All right?
Speaker 5 (35:29):
Guys, If you were watching that Cowboys Giants game on
Fox yesterday, you might have heard Tom Brady having a
little criticism for what went down between Daniel Jones and
the Giants.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
Take a listen.
Speaker 6 (35:39):
I don't know how the whole situation went down, but
to think that you would ask for a release from
a team that committed a lot to you is maybe
different than I would have handled that. I always felt
I wanted to get the trust and respect of my teammates,
regardless situation, knowing that I was telling you who the
best I picked for the team, because that was.
Speaker 4 (35:57):
The most important thing.
Speaker 6 (35:58):
There were just some different things that have him in
the NFL, and everyone makes individual choices, and I think
we're all at points in our.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
Career face different challenges. I faced him in college and
some things didn't go the way I wanted.
Speaker 6 (36:11):
But the people that mattered most to me were the
guys in the locker room.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
I showed up every day. I don't care if they
ask me to be a Scout team safety, the Scout
teams quarterback. I was gonna do whatever I could to
help the team win. But that Tom Brady's too nice.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
He's not being critical enough of players, and he basically
just calls out Daniel Jones and says, I don't know
if I would have made that boom, I would have been.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
Looking at my teammates.
Speaker 5 (36:32):
Mom. I don't know, man, Like I have my opinions.
I like, I love Tom as a player. Do I
love him in the booth?
Speaker 4 (36:44):
I don't know that I'm out I love him in
the booth? Is he okay? The potential?
Speaker 6 (36:50):
What?
Speaker 3 (36:50):
What about the criticism of Daniel Jones when he gets released.
Speaker 5 (36:55):
I just think sometimes it's the messenger that that matters
in moments like those, When did Tom Brady really struggle
in the league?
Speaker 4 (37:04):
When they struggled last year in New England? Okay the end, Yeah,
and what happened they moved on to and so did
he They moved on, don't.
Speaker 5 (37:16):
I don't. I don't think like you look at the beginning,
you know, to the end. Like sure, if you're winning
super Bowls and your team is winning and you're having
success and they've invested in you, like I could see
his his his theory and his you know, his thought process.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
I don't have a problem with that.
Speaker 5 (37:34):
But I think when you're losing and when things go
a certain way and behind the closed doors of what
those conversations look like.
Speaker 4 (37:41):
I don't know. I don't know that it's a it's
a it's not gutting dry.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
They clowned Daniel Jones on television on Hard Knocks like
multiple times, so he probably got two ployer. He's like, man,
I don't want to I don't want to be here.
I'll go be a backup in Minnesota, like I'll go elsewhere,
Like let me get elsewhere. If you guys don't want
me so bad that you're going to make these comments
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to where everybody can see on hard knocks, and we're
going to continue to have these discussions and rumors are
going to be out there about benchings and quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (38:18):
They want to draft and all that.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
It's like, I just got to get out of here,
and he just decided I need to go. And I
think I wonder also too, if guys like Baker Mayfield
and Geno Smith have given players like Daniel Jones hope
to where it.
Speaker 4 (38:32):
Used to be.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
If you were a quarterback that was drafted to be
the franchise quarterback and it didn't work out with the
team that you were drafted by, that the thought was
that you were going to.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
The thought you are a class sag.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
The thought was that your career was basically on borrowed time,
that you were going to have to go be a
backup somewhere and that's just the way that your career
is going to go because the book was written on you.
And then all of a sudden, guys like Baker Mayfield
and Gino Smith, they're like, no, no, no, there's life
after this if you.
Speaker 4 (39:04):
Find the right spot.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
Baker Mayfield's one of the better quarterbacks in the NFC,
if not the NFL.
Speaker 4 (39:10):
Playing this year. Sam Donald and Gino Smith got paid. Yes,
Sam Donald in Minnesota happened, It can happen.
Speaker 5 (39:17):
But then you also could have the Tom Brady effect
as we we're talking about, and end up being in
Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers thought that he was gonna do
what what Tom Brady did. Russell Wilson thought that he
was going to do with Tom Brady did. Neither one
of those guys, as good as they had been in brilliant,
as brilliant as they were where they came from, they
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weren't able to recapture that anywhere else. So, I mean,
Russ is doing okay right now, but by no means
is he like that guy Like he's like, oh my gosh,
what a resurgence or re emergence of Russell Wilson.
Speaker 4 (39:53):
It's like, it's okay, what do you mean, what do
you mean?
Speaker 2 (39:55):
What do I mean?
Speaker 4 (39:56):
They got a Russell Wilson sandwich. He means.
Speaker 5 (40:01):
That's probably getting more more yardage than he is. Yeah,
shouts out.
Speaker 4 (40:07):
To the Pemis. By the way, you go to pans
when you go to stick Oh, I don't know that
I'll have enough time. I would like to give me
a big fish. Stop. Probably give me a big fish.
You know, Lee and I shared one at p Man.
You got shared this sandwich? Yeah, yeah, you did. I
got bone with Swings while I was at Pee did.
By the way, what a douche move. I realized it's
more I think about this, the more embarrassed. Oh my gosh,
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As we embark to the second hour of this show,
here we were wondering, all right here on a black Friday.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
Hey, how'd you say it? What type of Friday? Black Friday? Hey?
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Oors Parker would say say, And by the way, this
is robinized jokes. Everybody's clear.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
Fridays. Well, I don't know about you, but every Friday's
Black Friday for me.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Which I have to I owe a text later. That's
our yearly tradition.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
But we were waiting to see whether or not there
was going to be any news out of the NFL
following the games yesterday. We got another one coming up
later on that we're going to get into the Raiders
and the Chiefs at some point. And the news is
not great for Maddie Refluse. He was fired by the
Chicago Bears less than an hour ago after that disaster
of a performance by the Bears towards the end of
(01:40):
that game against the Detroit Lions yesterday. So the first
time in the history of the franchise, the Bears are
firing a head coach in season. And here's the best
part about that whole.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
What's the best part? See the best part?
Speaker 3 (01:52):
How about the fact that they let Maddy Refluse do
a zoom call with the media and then fired him
after the zoom call with the meeting.
Speaker 5 (02:05):
Well, we're in shows, we're in showbiz. They tell you
let him finish the show before you let them go.
They're gonna fire you before the show, even though you
got one more show to do.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
He shows, it's gonna hit you after you've done.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
He shows up to talk to the media on the
zoom call and the media is like, you are you
planning on being the coach? And Maddie Refluse says, yeah, listen,
I'm I'm planning. Operations are normal. I'm gonna be the
head coaches. We get ready for San Francisco, and then
like an hour and a half later, the Bears like, hey, Matt,
you got a second.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
Uh yeah, Riverside, you could get an early start on
your your holiday, get shopping, your your vacation time.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Like you know, we're going to go in a different direction.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Heuck man, I mean Keenan Allen I thought had the
most telling statement following the game yesterday when he said
the following, I felt like we as players put ourselves
in a position to win when you separate that fame,
not us as a team, like us as players. Malik
(03:13):
Naghbors probably saw that, and we're like, damn, that's pretty good.
I should use that the next time I air out
the organization or my head coach. But it's just not
a great situation. It wasn't a great situation. And now
the conversation becomes where do you where do you turn
to next? And look, Jim Harbaugh wanted the job last year.
(03:33):
Like that's I mean, like everybody's known that, Like that's
one of it.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
That was one of his spots.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Yeah, because they played, they drafted him and so that
was an opportunity. And now they're going to be looking
to try and bring somebody else in and they're going
to go with Thomas Brown the OC there.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
I just you hope, and.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
We talked a little bit with Albert Breer about this
last hour, like you would hope that they don't do
the whole Well, last coach was a defense coach and
now we're going to do an offensive coach and now
we're going to But it just feels like with this organization,
and you've talked about it with the Jets, dysfunction is
your MVP dysfunction And there is dysfunction, you cannot outperform dysfunction.
(04:16):
I would challenge anyone who's listening to us have a conversation.
How many times have you seen in an organization, a business,
a relationship, anything anything that you want to take a
look at of real substance that you're looking for an
ROI on it, whether it be love, whether it be revenue,
(04:38):
you know, money, whatever it is. Where have you ever
seen success and skill and talent and even love whatever
it may be. When have you ever seen it outperform
dysfunction and I listen, I lived in it as a player,
(05:02):
and you start to try to make sense of it.
It's almost like an abusive relationship when you're in a
place that is so dysfunctional, because there's two ways of
looking at it. One is self preservation, so you don't
subscribe to all of the elements that play a part
in what that dysfunction is, and you stay to yourself.
(05:23):
You do your job to the best of your ability,
and you try to keep that healthy amount of distance
in space between where the dysfunction is coming from. But
that doesn't help to cure or solve the dysfunction, and
you're not going to get that person's best foot forward
in those situations.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Just's not going to happen.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
Then there's the other side of it where it's like,
and you may have heard this before, I can fix it.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
That's the biggest the biggest.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
One, right is they need me, This job needs me,
this team needs me, this relationship needs me. Whatever it is,
I can fix it. And that, to me is where
it goes so wrong. And it has that, it has
that abusive feel. It's like, why didn't you leave, Why
didn't you say anything? Because I thought I could fix it.
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And you know what, it has always been undefeated. Dysfunction
has always been undefeated. You cannot get positive results. You
can't get positive outcomes if there is dysfunction at the
level that we see it at with some of these organizations,
it's just not possible. So you can't sit there and
(06:39):
say you're you're confused or you're surprised that this is
why what happened, or you already know. If you can
look at an organization like the New York Jets, it's
a dysfunctional organization. I don't care who you have as
a coach, I don't care who you draft as the players.
I don't care who you get as free agencies as
(06:59):
the players. It's going to be a miss some way, somehow,
there's going to be a miss. So my challenge or
what my sentiments would be when you look at what
the Beers have done, and they've been dysfunctional for some
time now, but now you have Hope and Caleb Williams
(07:21):
as a franchise guy, my challenge would be as an organization,
as an owner of the organization, as the leads of
the organization, you have to take a look at what
your culture is, and at the top you have to
address what the dysfunctional aspects and components of what you
(07:43):
bring to the table.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
The Dallas Cowboys, even.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
Right now with an organization that's been so historically amazing
in the New York Giants, they got to take a
look at what that dysfunction has become and the culture
that is created on the way down all the way
to your players that are going on the field. I'm
watching it take place in Washington right now, where there
(08:08):
is a collective idea and body and belief that from
the top, if they can change the culture of what
this organization is from ownership and bring excitement and bring
hope and bring belief and buy in and a connection
to not only your employees within the building and the players,
but also with the community itself in a very real way,
(08:31):
you can indeed change the culture of It doesn't happen overnight,
doesn't happen quickly, but you can change the culture these teams.
The biggest issues are at the top, and they're not
being addressed because, well, why would you address yourself. Sometimes
that's the hardest thing to do, is to find yourself
(08:53):
in a situation where you have to address yourself and
you'll find out which one of these you know, which
teams are doing that. Seems like Detroit did that, like
hands off, let we let Dan Campbell come in. He
came in with a very very defined vision of what
he wanted the culture of this organization to be on
(09:15):
down to its players. And it's changed here in LA
with the Chargers. Seems as though they brought in a
guy in Harball. They trust what he's his vision is,
they trust how he wants the culture to be and
they've allowed him to do it, and you can see
it in the players and how they play. You can
(09:36):
see it in the results, and then that carries over
look at the fan base and how it's growing for
this Detroit Lions team.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
There's an overflow.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
They travel, come on many and by the way, you call,
and I always reference this because I think it's important.
You called a Lions Browns game when Dan Campbell was
there his first year and that ended up being Baker
Mayfields last year, I believe, And so there's a lot
in that conversation. But I always I'm fascinated by that
(10:09):
because that was really the beginning of Listen, we're building something.
Everybody laughed at Dan Campbell. Everybody said, all the way
back to racing helmets, and he's he does double ventie
red eyes. He does two a day, and like all
these are just like, oh, he's one of these other guys.
And then you've just slowly seen they build, they build,
(10:33):
they draft, well, Jared Goffs completely, you know, rejuvenated his career.
He's playing the best football potentially of his career. And
this is the guy who went to a super Bowl once.
It's like this idea that if the Bears think that
all right, we got rid of Matt eberflush, all right, now,
now everything's going to be good here, dude, they've since
(10:53):
the nineteen eighty five Bears, they've won six playoff games.
That was forty years ago. Like this is not just
to madd he reflus his problem. To your point, it
rolls downhill time.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
At some point, when you look at these functional organizations,
you see the long laundry list of major names that
have been brought in. Whether it's a coach or whether
it's a player. You see this long list, and the
results generally may vary just a little bit. Maybe this
coach didn't make the playoffs, this coach didn't make the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
I mean, look at what's going on in Miami. Is
that dysfunction or not?
Speaker 5 (11:37):
I don't really know which means that it probably is
maybe the clock is struck midnight on Mike McDaniel and
now he's turning into a pumpkin. Because that was not
the look of a like we said, this team is
really good with Tua. Tua goes out, they're not really
a good team. But now we got to a back.
They go, it's cause it's cold. It can't because it's cold.
(11:58):
A lot of them guys didn't have no sleeves on
their arms. Didn't look like it was cold enough where
you couldn't get out there and do what you needed
to do. It just didn't look good. When you look
at these teams and they bring in a different coach,
different coach, different coach, different coach, different players, different players,
but you're seeing the same results, like they hit the
same ceilings. Like whether it be the record, whether it
(12:19):
be the amount of accomplishment. Did they make it to
the playoffs, did they not? Did they win a divisional title?
What are they When you look at these teams, it
be the same exact ones, changing coaches changing players and
getting the same results. They get the same exact results.
So you could get mad at media for calling it out,
(12:42):
calling it what they think it is, calling it what
it may be. The bottom line is is if you're
paying attention to your organization and your organization is giving
you it's like meeting a person, right. If a person
shows you who they are, you should believe them. If
an organization shows you who they are art, you should
believe them. There's no reason as a fan to sit
(13:03):
there and say, because I'm a fan of this team,
I can look at it and it comes out and
it plays out differently. That's not that's not correct. If
they've proven to you that this is how they do things,
this is the way things go. You know, you guys
are acting like, oh, when I was talking about the Jets,
like the Jets won't win ten games, I said, the
Jets will not do double digit wins because the dysfunction
(13:26):
is so high in New York that they will not
make it to ten wins, Not because they.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
Don't have the talent.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
I meant ten wins over the span of two seasons.
So like, just to be clear, that.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Might be a stretch that might not be that might
that might be a stretch too.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
All I'm saying is a preseason games can why expect?
Speaker 5 (13:46):
Why expect that that Aaron Rodgers is going to be
the catalyst of change and a dysfunctional organization?
Speaker 4 (13:53):
And now you found out, now you figured out that
that is not the case.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
The Bears fired Lovey Smith after he went in six,
like they fired him after you went ten and six.
Remember how everybody, and I know this, people in Chicago
couldn't wait to get rid of Matt Naggy. They couldn't wait.
He had to go. He had no idea what he
was doing. He's he's ruining this organization. I don't know, man.
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He finished with a winning record and he took him
to the playoffs twice.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
You know, we've done We've.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
Done a lot of media and a lot of radio.
The one thing that it is funny to me is
being being successful. There's there's levels to it, and there's
degrees of it, and a lot of times people aren't
happy with real success. They're not happy with real success.
They had this delusion or or this this just maybe
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not not living in reality of what a ten win
season represents, what a winning season represents. Now you look
at you know, the conversations that we've had historically on
two pros and a cup of Joe that you can
catch by the way Eastern Standard time at six am
to nine am. We are filling in for Colin Cowhers.
That's Jonas Knox. I'm LaVar Arrington. The one thing that
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we have discussed and have really talked about is in
the college ranks, right, and I know it's different than
the league, but in the college ranks, you'll have a
day at Ohio State and he's under fire and he's undefeated.
It's like, wait, hold on, what happened? Loses to Oregon Eye,
(15:29):
he's gotta go. He's gotta go. You lose one game,
you lose to Michigan. Nowye, he's got to go. Oh
to Ohio State fans. This means that he's got to
go because that's the game that counts. Yeah, but what
about all the other games that he's winning. You know
when those games count, Jonas, when he starts losing them,
they don't matter now because oh, he's eleven to O,
he's twelve and O.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
He gets to twelve and one. Got a firing Franklin
and Penn State.
Speaker 5 (15:58):
First season, and I who knows how long that they
went undefeated on the road. They have no road losses.
They have one loss at home, and not one loss
because it's to Ohio State. It's like he can't win
the big game. It's the Big Ten. Their strength of schedule,
they don't play anybody that it's the Big Ten. They're
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playing against the same teams that are in the conference
that everybody else is playing against. And people have a
problem with it when he loses one game. While it
is the one big game, it still is delusional to
think that you should just expect a coach and a.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
Team to win that much.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
So sometimes you get what you want, but then you
don't get what you really like in your mind, I
wanted us to be undefeated. I wanted us to go
to the super Bowl. I wanted us to go to
the Championship. I wanted us to win it. There's only
one team that can do it. And in the league,
if you ain't cheered for Kansas City, you haven't really
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had an Imagine being a Ravens fan. How close are you?
Imagine being a Bills fan? How close are you? But
yet how far.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
Away are you? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (17:10):
So I don't know, dysfunction, they'll get rid of you. Functional,
you start to find it, you get better. So to me,
it says that the Buffalo Bills is a functional organization.
You know why, because they're very close and yet they continue.
I thought they hit their ceiling. They didn't hit their ceiling.
They look like they're getting better. So that's a functional organization.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Always defended when you know the bangals, you know, or
you know, looking around and they're looking at coaches and
and they're you know, trying to decide whether or not
they want to keep Marvin Lewis. And I always defended
Marvin Lewis for this because they're like, oh, I can't
win a playoff game.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
Yeah, But they're there there every every year. I mean,
that's what's going on in Pittsburgh right now. People be
wanting Mike Tomlin out of there. That's every years.
Speaker 5 (17:57):
It's a functional organization. They're competitive every year. Whether you
thought they were frauds or not, they are in it
every single year. In the conversation for the for the
AFC North, and they're in the conversation for what can
they do in the playoffs every single year.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
But yet it's not good enough. Yeah, you gotta.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
You gotta be realistic on what you want your ROI
to be as a fan, and I think that's what
it ultimately comes down to.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
So it is The Herd here on Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington, Jonas Knoxen for Colin. Just to catch you
up to speed again the breaking news in the NFL
from earlier, the Bears firing Matt eber Fluss, head coach.
The offensive coordinator Thomas Brown will take over on the
interim basis for the remainder of the season. Coming up
next here, though, we are going to tell you how
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somebody finally decided, you know what, I've had enough. I've
had enough playing nice. I'm gonna go ahead and let
it fly a little bit during an NFL game. You'll
hear from them right here on FSR.
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Speaker 4 (19:04):
Don't do it like that, fixing something eat? Come out
to that song though, to that being chuck him up,
Oh my god, pick him up.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
It is the Herd here on Fox Sports Radio, LaVar
Arrington Jonas Knox in for Colin so coming up in uh,
we'll call it about twenty minutes from now, we are
going to have another edition of the Herdline News starring
the great Lee to Lap who you know, it's special occasion.
Lee's got a button up shirt, He's got his uh,
he's got his JS on. Like Lee's all ready to go. Man,
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looks good.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
Oh yeah, not the not the oyster. Yeah, not the
blue Oyster. Bar Lee look great, man. Thanks guys.
Speaker 5 (19:54):
When we're about that one, right, yeah, that'll feeling.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
That's where you nothing. You ain't from here, so we todd.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
So we'll hear more from Lee during the Herdline News
coming up here and about will you.
Speaker 5 (20:09):
Said them's for some backless chaps.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
Damn. Hey.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
By the way, we got a we gotta we got
Heisman watch going on. We got Travis Hunter and Colorado
taking on Oklahoma State. They've got a twenty one nothing lead.
And you've got Ashton genty and Boise State up fourteen
to seven over Oregon State. Right now, Hunter almost came
down with a crazy one hand catch. They flipped him
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up a little bit. Genty I believe has one touchdown
so far. I think he went in took one in short,
but I don't know what his uh, what his rushing
yards are right now his stats are. But it's interesting
because I know coach Prime is aware of how close
the race is and the fact that Travis Hunter was
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not a finalist for the Thorpe Warward. Sorry inter ash
genty twenty one carries hundred and six yards and a touchdown,
not quite at halftime.
Speaker 5 (21:06):
That's not good for Travis Hunter or Colorado face one
hundred and it's not even halftime yet.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
Do you think there's still a chance.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
I know Travis Hunter is a touchdown catch in this
game against Oklahoma State right now, but do you think
you actually think there's a chance that Ashton genty could
beat him out for the I don't think there's any
chance at I think it's over.
Speaker 5 (21:29):
I think Gent can. I think gent can get it
because I think you can't hide stats for a running back.
It's not a h a high hidable stat. If he
continues to run at the pace, like if he's at
one hundred yards right now, what does he end up with?
Like one hundred and fifty, one hundred and sixty The
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odds on DraftKings right now Travis Hunter is a minus
thirty five hundred. I mean, I think he's the best
college football player in America. I've made that very clear.
I made it abundantly clear that if I were a voter,
I would vote vote for Travis Hunter. But with that
being said, you gotta keep in mind, I go back
to a time where, Okay, I thought Peter Warke was
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the best football player I've ever seen in my life.
Like that's like pre Reggie Bush. It was like Peter Worke,
and then came Reggie Bush. He wasn't up for any awards,
and now Grant it's a different situation because he got
in a little bit of trouble. But with that being said,
if you're looking at Heisman best player, Ron Dang.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
Got it that year.
Speaker 5 (22:34):
And Ron Dang got it because stats Ron stats are stats.
That man broke the NCAA rushing title with the amount
of yards that he ended up running for that year,
and it automatically made him a shoe in to win
the Heisman. I feel like Genty is like, when have
we heard a player get compared to Barry Sanders since
(22:54):
Barry Sanders played in college. Now, I don't think I've
ever heard it. Hey, I don't think I've ever heard
anybody get compared. Maybe Ladanian lt that might be the
only one that I heard in terms of what they
were doing statistically that would lead to them being discussed
in the same breath as Barry Sanders and Ashton Genty
(23:15):
is that player this year for college football? So to me,
I think that it's a great conversation. I'll say this,
I don't know definitively who's gonna walk in there and
walk away with the trophy. Well, I think I think
it's between those two. I think Travis, I don't even
and I don't think the voting will be close.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Like if Ashton Gent, Like if you were to bet
on Ashton Gent to win the Heisman right now, ten
dollars would win you a solar system. Like there's no
chance anybody other than Travis Hunter wins the Heisman. But
you know, I mean he does also have a you know,
bigger platform.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
I mean Colorado.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
That's why my point in Colorado is this, I really
we've talked about on the show before. I just hope
people know how much fun the last two seasons have
been and how good they been for college football with
because of Deon Sanders and Colorado IBBI the other storylines
in college football, but the fact that Colorado's back on
the map is awesome.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
He put he put up a video up on his
h on his social yesterday. It was a throwback Thursday,
and it was when him and uh Shadoor and and
and uh Bossi his daughter, when they they ended up.
You know, they they came to visit Boulder. They came
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to the stadium and was visiting it and they were
showing what it looked like like their hair, like just arrived, this,
that and the other. And it just showed the looks
on their faces, on Shador's faces, on Coach Brime's faces
while they were on the field. I thought it was interesting, man,
because you take a subtle, you know, calm, you know,
(24:50):
solitary moment where it's just the family that's there on
the field and they're looking at this place that has
been dormant. You know, you haven't talked about Colorado and
and the way that they've talked about Colorado well and ever. Actually,
but this was a team that was once a storied
story team. I mean from the Darien Hagen days to
(25:12):
Rashawn Salom and Cordell Stored and Charles Johnson and you
know Michael Westbrook. I mean, there was a standard that
was created and generated. You know Chad Brown on defense,
I mean, you know Deon Figures. I mean there was
a lot of really really talented guys that played for
this Colorado team that made Colorado a destinational place not
(25:35):
only to play, but it was a destination to make
sure that you watch them play.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
They lost that.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
And whether you like Deon Sanders as a person or not,
the one thing that you cannot deny is that he
brought something. He brought a value to Colorado as a
coach that they've never seen before, and I would venture
to say possibly has never been seen before at the
college level. Now that doesn't mean that equates to it
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being a national title, but it could. That doesn't mean
that it's like, oh, well, what about you know Nick
Saban or you know your coach, what about Joe Paterno,
what about Bobby Bowden? Absolutely iconic figures, coach Robinson at Gramblin,
(26:27):
Absolutely some of the most historical names you can throw
out there and say in those generations, what they represented,
no one else could match.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
What they were.
Speaker 5 (26:39):
Is Dion Sanders as a coach on that trajectory, I
don't know. But out the gate, you have a quarterback
that happens to be your son that will most likely
be the number one overall pick in the draft. Yep,
you have most likely the next Heisman winner on your
team as well. And it's not even you're a player
(27:01):
that's going to go number one in the draft.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
You sell out. You're sold out.
Speaker 5 (27:06):
You have generated countless amounts of revenue for the state
and the university tuition all paid increased it a little bit.
Everybody is been benefiting from the Dion Sanders effect, as Blenders,
as KFC, everybody. He just launched the show. He's got
(27:26):
a show, a show on was it to be?
Speaker 4 (27:29):
What is it to be? To be?
Speaker 5 (27:31):
To be?
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Dude is out here and he is totally And.
Speaker 5 (27:36):
What's interesting is it's not it's not a framework that
can be.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
It can it can be repeated. It's not.
Speaker 5 (27:48):
It's this is a a cot the tiger by the tail,
it's a it's lightning in a bottle, whatever you want
to call it.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
Eddie George just got named coach Coach of the Year.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
Where he's coaching right doesn't even begin to come close
to what the title wave effect that Deon Sanders had.
They're talking about hiring ray Lewis down in Florida, it
will not come close, not even close to what Deon
Sanders has done. Won't even come close. For one, Deon
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Sanders understands the entertainment value of what goes into what
he's doing. For one, no one has ever really been
as good as him, No one's been that good at
doing it, and he's able to recreate it. And two,
he's actually a good coach and he went through the process.
I don't know ray Lewis's coaching coaching history back in Florida.
(28:40):
I don't think that. I don't think that he's coached
that much. I think he's done a lot and he
means he means a lot to the game. I don't
know how much he coached Eddie George, I don't know.
I don't know how much he coached. How many names
are we going to throw out there and that we're
going to say this is a former player that has
the brand name.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
And the fact that it's even attempting to be copied
is is such a compliment to It's like all the
Sean McVay. Guys like, oh, well he worked with Sean McVay.
You must that's such a compliment to Sean. And then
it's not going to be replicated. And there were so
many people who wanted to see them fail when they
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got off to that hot start last year and it
was like, oh, who are they playing?
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (29:20):
And then they started to struggle down the stretch and
they struggled against Colorado State, and like people just couldn't
wait to see them fail and that was the expectation.
And then you saw how the game played out against
Nebraska and you're like, oh, it looks like typical Colorado Dion,
and they've just gotten better and better and better, and
yeah last week was not a great look and and
(29:40):
and not a great.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
Performance, but they lost. It's college football, and he's still building.
They also the Big twelve. Who the hell can figure
out the Big twelve?
Speaker 3 (29:50):
Kansas is clipping people left and right, like bro five wins.
Speaker 5 (29:55):
That team won one game when Dion took it over.
They were one team.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
They won.
Speaker 5 (30:02):
How many more games they won like three or four
last year? I believe something to that effect. Wasn't that
many they won they won games last year, but it
wasn't they were nowhere near five hundred and where they
are today, Where Colorado football is today, with their record,
with the amount of clout that their players are receiving,
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and the recognition, the way the offensive front is playing.
They established a running attack this year. Their defensive line
is totally transformed. You bring in a great football mind
and Warren Sap. Nobody else would have took a shot
on Warren's sap. You keep saying Terrell Owens on Tarrell
on the sideline with them, I would not be shocked
or surprised if you end up seeing Terrell Owens being
(30:45):
a coach on this coaching stat I want to see
that warrant they.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
Just brought in.
Speaker 5 (30:50):
They brought in George Hegeman, who is If you know
who George Hegeman is an offensive lineman played for the
Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
Look him up. One of the dopest dudes that.
Speaker 5 (30:59):
You'll ever meet and has been a major, major, major
piece to the success that IMG Academy is and were.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
Having in Florida while he was there.
Speaker 5 (31:12):
So the people that that Dion has brought in first
and foremost, you got to be in this.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
World to know who they are.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
If you're living in it. Dion has met so many
people from the time he did Truth from the youth level.
Dion then did Truth the high school and met a
ton of people on that level. Not to mention, all
the while, he's in media and he's building his brand,
and he's showing you his care. He's building his credit
credibility in terms of what he understands of the game,
(31:44):
how he views the game by giving you insight and
commentary and and you know, analyzing the games and and
what's going on and what's taking place. So you know,
Dion understands the game. But what a lot of people
failed to realize is Dion went through the process.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
He executed the process perfectly.
Speaker 5 (32:05):
And he'll tell you, I built my plan for my
life around my children.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
So I don't care what his motivation was.
Speaker 5 (32:14):
His motivation was he wanted to be there for his
kids and be there with them growing up great. The
bottom line is that trusting and building the process of
being there with his kids the whole entire way has
led to him being a hell of a coach. He's
got a hell of a staff that's been with him
since they were at the youth level. So you're talking
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about twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen plus years that the bulk
of his coaching staff has been together. It's not a
surprise that he's getting the results that he's getting and
he will continue to get him He's connected to a
scouting service. You don't even want to get into all
of that. He's connected to directly to a scouting service
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that helps choose the All Americans for the under armoor game.
He's got a great relationship with them. Look him up
three step. He has done it the right way. He
knows how to get to the athletes, he knows what
they want. His cache and what he brings to the
table is good enough. And now he's winning. So you
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take all that, you have a perfect storm. You will
not be able to replicate or recreate that. If you're
trying to do that, you are going to come grossly,
grossly short of what it is that Colorado has been
able to create. And I think that that's why he's
going to stay at Colorado because he has the keys
to the kingdom. He can continue to build that kingdom.
And I would not be surprised if this is a
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college playoff team that in the next three to five years,
will actually be able to compete and contend in the
playoff to possibly win a championship for Colorado.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
It's the Herd here on Fox Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington,
Jonas Knox in for Colin. Coming up next here in
the Herdline News, you're gonna hear somebody in the NFL
who just said, you know what, I'm sick of it,
tired of playing it nice, tired of playing it's safe.
I'm gonna go ahead and air somebody out. And they
did it just yesterday. You'll hear the sound, you'll hear
the proof, and it's yours here next on FSR.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
at noon Easter nine am Pacific. Right here.
Speaker 4 (34:19):
We ain't gonna win anywhere. Yeah, hearing it what?
Speaker 3 (34:27):
We're right here, It's the Herd on Fox Sports Radio.
LaVar Arrington, Jonas Knox in for Colin.
Speaker 4 (34:34):
You like that like my mix?
Speaker 3 (34:35):
Uh huh?
Speaker 4 (34:36):
Bring it what we're right here.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
Coming off top of next hour, a little over ten
minutes from now, we are going to get into more
conversation the details still coming out on the breaking news
from the NFL. Last hour, we talked here on the show,
Matt Ebraflus fired by the Chicago Bears. Thomas Brown, the
offensive coordinator, will be the interim head coach.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
You know, good for him.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
We just got the job as oc about you know,
fifteen minutes ago. So now he's the head coach.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
All of us. Oh, fifteen twenty minutes ago. Well that's
a quick climb.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
Let me look at my watch. That's a quick climb
of the coaching ranks. Hey jesus. But we'll have more
on that bick of it all too. It's tough for
next hour here right now, it is time for another edition.
Speaker 4 (35:20):
Of this No no, no, turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
This is the headline news, all.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
Right, lead to lapse.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
What do we got?
Speaker 4 (35:29):
All right?
Speaker 5 (35:29):
Guys, If you were watching that Cowboys Giants game on
Fox yesterday, you might have heard Tom Brady having a
little criticism for what went down between Daniel Jones and
the Giants.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
Take a listen.
Speaker 6 (35:39):
I don't know how the whole situation went down, but
to think that you would ask for a release from
a team that committed a lot to you is maybe
different than I would have handled that. I always felt
I wanted to get the trust and respect of my teammates,
regardless situation, knowing that I was telling you who the
best I picked for the team, because that was.
Speaker 4 (35:57):
The most important thing.
Speaker 6 (35:58):
There were just some different things that have him in
the NFL, and everyone makes individual choices, and I think
we're all at points in our.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
Career face different challenges. I faced him in college and
some things didn't go the way I wanted.
Speaker 6 (36:11):
But the people that mattered most to me were the
guys in the locker room.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
I showed up every day. I don't care if they
ask me to be a Scout team safety, the Scout
teams quarterback. I was gonna do whatever I could to
help the team win. But that Tom Brady's too nice.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
He's not being critical enough of players, and he basically
just calls out Daniel Jones and says, I don't know
if I would have made that boom, I would have been.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
Looking at my teammates.
Speaker 5 (36:32):
Mom. I don't know, man, Like I have my opinions.
I like, I love Tom as a player. Do I
love him in the booth?
Speaker 4 (36:44):
I don't know that I'm out I love him in
the booth? Is he okay? The potential?
Speaker 6 (36:50):
What?
Speaker 3 (36:50):
What about the criticism of Daniel Jones when he gets released.
Speaker 5 (36:55):
I just think sometimes it's the messenger that that matters
in moments like those, When did Tom Brady really struggle
in the league?
Speaker 4 (37:04):
When they struggled last year in New England? Okay the end, Yeah,
and what happened they moved on to and so did
he They moved on, don't.
Speaker 5 (37:16):
I don't. I don't think like you look at the beginning,
you know, to the end. Like sure, if you're winning
super Bowls and your team is winning and you're having
success and they've invested in you, like I could see
his his his theory and his you know, his thought process.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
I don't have a problem with that.
Speaker 5 (37:34):
But I think when you're losing and when things go
a certain way and behind the closed doors of what
those conversations look like.
Speaker 4 (37:41):
I don't know. I don't know that it's a it's
a it's not gutting dry.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
They clowned Daniel Jones on television on Hard Knocks like
multiple times, so he probably got two ployer. He's like, man,
I don't want to I don't want to be here.
I'll go be a backup in Minnesota, like I'll go elsewhere,
Like let me get elsewhere. If you guys don't want
me so bad that you're going to make these comments
(38:09):
to where everybody can see on hard knocks, and we're
going to continue to have these discussions and rumors are
going to be out there about benchings and quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (38:18):
They want to draft and all that.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
It's like, I just got to get out of here,
and he just decided I need to go. And I
think I wonder also too, if guys like Baker Mayfield
and Geno Smith have given players like Daniel Jones hope
to where it.
Speaker 4 (38:32):
Used to be.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
If you were a quarterback that was drafted to be
the franchise quarterback and it didn't work out with the
team that you were drafted by, that the thought was
that you were going to.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
The thought you are a class sag.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
The thought was that your career was basically on borrowed time,
that you were going to have to go be a
backup somewhere and that's just the way that your career
is going to go because the book was written on you.
And then all of a sudden, guys like Baker Mayfield
and Gino Smith, they're like, no, no, no, there's life
after this if you.
Speaker 4 (39:04):
Find the right spot.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
Baker Mayfield's one of the better quarterbacks in the NFC,
if not the NFL.
Speaker 4 (39:10):
Playing this year. Sam Donald and Gino Smith got paid. Yes,
Sam Donald in Minnesota happened, It can happen.
Speaker 5 (39:17):
But then you also could have the Tom Brady effect
as we we're talking about, and end up being in
Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers thought that he was gonna do
what what Tom Brady did. Russell Wilson thought that he
was going to do with Tom Brady did. Neither one
of those guys, as good as they had been in brilliant,
as brilliant as they were where they came from, they
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weren't able to recapture that anywhere else. So, I mean,
Russ is doing okay right now, but by no means
is he like that guy Like he's like, oh my gosh,
what a resurgence or re emergence of Russell Wilson.
Speaker 4 (39:53):
It's like, it's okay, what do you mean, what do
you mean?
Speaker 2 (39:55):
What do I mean?
Speaker 4 (39:56):
They got a Russell Wilson sandwich. He means.
Speaker 5 (40:01):
That's probably getting more more yardage than he is. Yeah,
shouts out.
Speaker 4 (40:07):
To the Pemis. By the way, you go to pans
when you go to stick Oh, I don't know that
I'll have enough time. I would like to give me
a big fish. Stop. Probably give me a big fish.
You know, Lee and I shared one at p Man.
You got shared this sandwich? Yeah, yeah, you did. I
got bone with Swings while I was at Pee did.
By the way, what a douche move. I realized it's
more I think about this, the more embarrassed. Oh my gosh,
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