September 12, 2024 • 41 mins
Greg Cosell from NFL Films joins the show to breakdown the film on Caleb Williams and why he struggled in his NFL debut
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Welcome back at his hour. Two and a Thursday, Bills
and Miami Tonight, Josh Allen has feasted on the Dolphins
defense since he arrived in Buffalo. Tua has really struggled,
really struggled against I think their chief rival. So that's
an interesting one tonight. I think I'm leaning Miami, although
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they fell behind early against the Jags, came roaring back.
I'm gonna get to Greg co Sell in a few minutes,
senior producer NFL Films forty years. So it's interesting. And
I said this last hour, I think Aaron is a
very thoughtful guy. Aaron Rodgers a very thoughtful guy. Is
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the criticisms I've levied against him. I tell him to
his face. I think he can be prickly and difficult
and passive aggressive. I wish he was more confrontational, but
that's his personality.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Whatever.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
The book is fascinating by Ian O'Connor. The documentary I
can't wait to watch. I respect his brain, I respect
his choices. I mean, I disagree on the vaccine.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Who cares?
Speaker 1 (01:26):
People can think what they want. Wasn't a mandate. I'm
not in the mandates. I don't care. Seriously, I consume
people all the time. I don't agree with all the time.
Joe Rogan a little bit of a conspiracy theorist at times,
but he's very, very entertaining. He's a very smart guy.
He's a very curious guy. I like Joe Rogan. I've
told him that before. I liked him in a UFC fight.
You know, sometimes I disagree with people's opinions. You and
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I don't have to agree on who we're voting for
for president, and I have friends that I disagree ideologically.
I still vacation with him. Who cares? And that's what
I think about Aaron Rodgers. I think he's a fascinating guy.
He's a complex guy, he's a smart guy, and you know,
he goes down some wormholes on the internet. I wouldn't.
But whatever he talked about the oh to one start,
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and you know, pulling back and lightening up.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
The league is a lot different than what I said
relax years ago in that there's just so much more
coverage that there's so much more opportunity for overreaction. So
I get it. We want to win, if fans want
to win, the organization wants to win. But the process
has to be the same. You know, if it's good
enough in week one, it's good enough in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
So what he's basically saying is trust the process that
in week one, as I showed you that passing chart,
is the question twenty one passes only two to the
right side. Look at that passing chart. What is that
telling you. He doesn't trust his left tackle, he doesn't
trust his protection. He wants to throw it left so
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we can see out of the corner of his eye
the pass rush. That's what it tells me. This is
not a rookie quarterback that doesn't see both sides of
the field. This isn't like they had Patrick Sirtan on
the right side. This is not like they only put
Garrett Wilson on one side. He is thrown to one
side of the field. That's what you would see for
a rookie passing chart, like a guy that can't read
the field. You see that sometimes with rookies. They won't
throw the wall over the middle of the field. It's
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all bubble screens out into the flaps. So that tells
me there is a lack of trust in some of
this process. And it may be he doesn't trust his
protection or his achilles, whatever it is. So it's an
interesting point by Aaron, and my take is I'm seeing
a lack of trust somewhere. Twenty one passes only to
go right and not even far right. One of them's
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close to the middle. Greg co Sell forty five years
NFL films, this is what he does, all right. So
they had one really really good drive, The play calling
was good. San Francisco scored on eighth straight. So you know,
the juxtaposition of the Niners and Jets offense, it was ugly.
What did the films say? What did you like? What
worried you? What did the films say about Aaron and
the Jets.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
Well, it's funny you talk about the protection because we
talked about their own line leading into the season being
better Colin, but they struggled. But keep in mind that
they were playing against arguably as good a front six
as there is in the National Football League, and I
thought that both tackles new tackles this year, Tyron Smith
and Morgan Moses struggled in pass pro. And again they
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were going against Nick Bosa maybe you know, he's certainly
a top three pass rusher in the league, and Leonard Floyd,
who is a good player.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
So I think they struggled a bit there.
Speaker 5 (04:26):
Don't forget Aaron Rodgers has not really played in a
regular season game in really two years, and he has
not played with these players other than Alan Lazard in
a regular season game.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Now.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
I think Garrett Wilson is terrific and it's evident he
will become a movable chess piece that'll line him up
all over the formation. He's a great player. They need
Mike Williams to become a factor at the boundary X receiver,
but it was a game where I thought he just
had a workof kind of the mental and physical rust
and I expect him to be significantly better as the
season progresses. You're talking about a uarterback that number one.
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You could say he throws the ball better than any
quarterback we've ever seen and number two, he's so exceptionally smart.
I remember one of his former quarterback coaches telling me
that he came off the field after a series and
Rogers could tell you what seven defenders were doing on
every play.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
That is unheard of.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Yeah, yeah, Brady had some of those qualities where people
Tom could see the entire field as he dropped back
to pass offensive guys. Defenders. Yeah, there are very few
guys in the planet. He's always been a thoughtful, bright guy.
I've said before sometimes he's a bit quirky, but you know,
we need more quirky people. He's more artists than accountant.
I'm okay with that. We need more artists. I mean,
we need fewer accountants. Okay. I want to go back
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to Thursday, Chiefs and and Lamar Jackson. I feel like
I defend Lamar Jackson. At every turn he was an
inch from potentially winning the game. So when I watched
the Chiefs, now Andy Reid's very good in September, brings
out the tricks. But I got to tell you, Rashid
Rice looked like a one worthies. I don't know if
he's a volume receiver, he's a valuable weapon, A gadget.
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They have two tight ends now that I trust, and
then guys like Ben Watson, who can you know, make plays.
Juju Smith, Schuster's coming, He'll grow Hollywood, Brown's coming back.
I think Kansas City looks like a better version of
last year. What did the film say?
Speaker 5 (06:16):
Well, I think they're now in a situation where they
can really get the best out of their players in
how they deploy them because look what they did with
Rachie Rice, and some of that's a function now with
having Xavier Worthy. Because Rice worked between the numbers, they
got him matched up on linebackers on a lot of
those quick routes, option routes, what we call jerk routes,
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and that's where he's at his best because he's a big,
physical receiver. He's not truly a burner on the perimeter.
But Worthy is now that guy Brown can work on
the outside. So now you have Rice, who, in a
sense with Kelsey, works the same area of the field,
and you get the matchups that really favor what your
players do best. And I mean, look, you saw Rice
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beating Rokwan Smith on the those little option routes, inside
choice routes, whatever teams call them.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (07:03):
But you know, so they're able now to really deploy
their players the way they can best be deployed, and
they'll be a really difficult offense to defend.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
So I want to you know, I said about Lamar Jackson,
he had like sixteen rushes and he took some real hits.
I said, I think in his mind that he plays
different against Kansas City than everybody else because it means more,
and I don't think he'll take those hits. I don't
think he'll put his body in that situation. I think
it's sort of the way he plays Kansas City. It
feels like he needs to win this game. Were you
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disturbed by how many hits he took. He was like
a running back out there.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
And they said that he lost weight, so I know
he missed practice time this week. They said he was sore.
That's not good after the first week of the season.
You know, Jackson is a player, and I think you
would agree it's very difficult to evaluate him the way
you would evaluate you know, sort of traditional quarterbacks, right
because when you watch their tape and I've watched him
for years as you have, I probably in almost every
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game he's played in the NFL from the coaching tape,
and he's not really a timing rhythm player.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
That's not really his game.
Speaker 5 (08:08):
You don't see a lot of throws where he drops back,
hits his back foot, throws the ball, particularly in the
middle of the field where there are a lot of bodies.
He's more of an instinct player. He's got unbelievable instincts.
That's the strength of his game. So obviously the running
is a major part. You know, he's missed not last year,
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but the previous two years. He missed what the last
five or six games each season. You wonder, now if
he's lost weight and he's going to run that much,
if that's going to be a factor. Everybody starts to
get older and the body just doesn't react the same way.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Okay, I want to do Bills Miami here because I
watched Buffalo struggle early and I was kind of critical
on my podcast after the game. I said, can they
ever be more than just? Hey, Josh put on the
Superman cape and he's unbelievable. He's really an unbelievable player,
probably the best over all talent in the sport. Are
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you working? I like cook I like their tight ends,
but you know at receiver it's a rookie. When you
watch the film, do you again believe it's another year
of Superman Josh Allen or bust.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
Well, look, I think they're trying not to be that way.
Cook had nineteen carries. Keep that in mind. Davis only
had three of the rookie Ray Davis out of Kentucky.
They'd like to get him involved as well. I think
they're trying to be more than Josh Allen. And by
the way, with the nature of their past game as well,
they're trying to get him a lot more rhythmic type
throws so he doesn't have deeper drops. And then because
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at his best and Allen is a great player, as
you said, but he's not a true progression reader the
way you think of, you know, a Drew Brees or
a Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. You know, he can
do that, but that's not the best part of his game.
He's another player that's very instinctive in how he plays.
But they're clearly trying to develop a run game. They're
very multiple colin with their run game concepts, so I
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would expect that they'll continue to do that. They did
not run a lot of plays this past week, so
you may not have seen exactly how they want their
offense to look. And again, you know, and I know
there's all overreactions to week one, but the thing is
with Josh Allen, when you get into those sort of critical,
high level, high leverage down in distant situations, he's the
best player on the field and you want the ball
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in his hands.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
So two in Miami's offense couldn't do anything for a
big chunks of the game early and then Holland had
that brilliant punch out tackle of the goal line Miami
recovers gets possession that really changed the game. That was
the play of the game. Why were you know, we
think of McDaniel two of the receivers. Why were they
so choppy offensively early?
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Why?
Speaker 1 (10:44):
What did Jacksonville do? What was wrong with their offense?
Speaker 3 (10:48):
You know what?
Speaker 5 (10:49):
This is why I love watching tape Colin, because I
put that tape on and I'm seeing what Ryan Nielson,
the DC for Jacksonville did.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
And it was really really good.
Speaker 5 (10:58):
Now people might think, okay, well every team should do
the same thing, and we know it never works like that.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
But what he did is two things.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
Number One, he had safeties become a robber defenders because
where is the Miami pass game at its best between
the numbers, all those timing and rhythm throws between the numbers.
So he had a safety be a robber. And also
what he did is he showed pressure fronts and then
had a linebacker drop out, essentially in a similar position.
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When a linebacker drops out, we tend to call it lurk.
But he would definitely have an extra defender sitting in
the middle of the field. And he played a lot
of man coverage because what's to his game. He's the
best windows thrower in the NFL. Those timing throws against
zone coverage into windows. So he played man and he
put a defender in the middle of the field. Now
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I give Mike McDaniel a ton of credit because in
the second half he started to counter that and did
a really, really good job. But I thought Ryan Nielson,
the DC for Jacksonville, did a tremendous job in game
planning against that off.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
So I talked about this earlier. It's a bit of
a red flag. I'm not making a definitive opinion, but
Caleb Williams, if you count preseason and the which is
all vanilla defense is very few starters, and the first
week is completing forty nine percent of his throws in
a passer rating. That's regrettable. And at USC he had
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three games last year where he was completing under sixty
percent of his throws. Now, I'm not making again. I'm
not saying it's over, but I'm saying that was what
gms in the league told me. They're like, we love him.
Mahomes is the comp but he can be erratic with
his with his accuracy. And by the way, when Mahomes
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was early in his career, Andy Reid brings him back
on the fairway. Stafford can get bad, he can get
a little reckless, or his mechanics McVeigh brings him back
they don't have. That's why I owe it. That's why
I've predicted that bo Nicks will have the best rookie season.
He's got an offensive code to get you edit the
bad stuff out. So the Caleb stuff, I'm saying it's
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a bit of a red flag. I know it's one week,
but he missed twice. He missopen people. What does the
film say, Greg.
Speaker 5 (13:13):
Well, I think the issue for him at this point
is twofold number one. Because this is all new, he
was very focused on just executing the play call, whether
that receiver was open or not. That's very common for
rookie quarterbacks in their first start, so he made a
lot of throws that he probably shouldn't have made.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
The ball comes out of his hand beautifully. We all
know that. The other thing that he really needs to
work on.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
It showed up at USC, it showed up in the preseason,
and it showed up Week one against the Titans, is
he needs to really get a better innate understanding of
the pocket and how to play from the pocket. He
tends to move and create his own pressure. He tends
to climb the pocket and step up when he doesn't
need to. Now, in college, maybe you can get away
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with that at times, but in the NFL you're not
going to get away with that. So what happens is
he steps up and now he's closer to the bodies,
and all of a sudden, he feels like he has
to speed up or get out of the pocket. So
he just needs to develop a better feel to have
to play from the pocket. Keep in mind, he got
sacked in his two years at USC over eighty times.
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I saw all those plays. Colin. Sure, the O line
wasn't great, as you know you live out there, but
a lot of those sacks are on him, and that's
a lot of sacks for a really good college quarterback
in two years.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Yeah, you're so good at this. Okay, I'm gonna be
a little prideful here as I asked you this question,
Sam Darnold, Sammy dar'nt there you go.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
I knew that was coming.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
I think, let me, I think it was twelve of
twelve to start. I can't remember. Okay, look pretty good.
Now the schedule gets brutal. It maybe the last great moment.
But let's talk about what you saw.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
Well, there's a couple of things here that really stood
out to me. Number One, keep in mind where he
was last year, even though he wasn't the starter. He
was in San Francisco. Now he's with Kevin O'Connell. You're
talking about high level coaching. One thing that really stood
out to me. Yes, it's one game, and I'm not
going to sit here and say, man, is he gonna
have a great year. But I just thought the way
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he dropped back, his footwork, his balance, the way his
lower body and upper body were coordinated, the way he
was coordinated in sync with the routes by the receivers.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
I just thought he looked really comfortable.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
And again, it's one game, so we're not going to
act like this guy's going to have an All Pro season.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
But he looked like a different quarterback.
Speaker 5 (15:35):
He threw a steam ball, I believe, to the tight
end early in the game, and it just looked exactly
the way it's supposed to look. That forty four yarder
to Jefferson on the sail route or the deep corner route,
that was just absolutely beautiful, and not because he placed
it perfectly, which of course was great, but because of
the way he dropped back and hitched up in the pocket.
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Everything was right about his footwork, the coordination with his
lower and upper that's what I look for very often
when I watch quarterbacks, and he just looked like a
far more comfortable player from a technique and fundamental standpoint.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
So now everybody has film on CJ. Stroud, and yet
I watch him against the Colts and they've given him
Joe Mixon, who I've always thought deserves more appreciation. He's
had off field stuff. Maybe he's not as likable whatever.
He's a really good running back, functional, physical and now
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Stefan Diggs. Everybody got film on c J. Stroud. I
like the coaching staff in Indie and he's out there dealing.
Are we looking at are we looking at with c J? Stroud?
The Texans offense? Are we looking at a kid that
we're going to say in a year is right behind Mahomes?
I mean, but what's the film say?
Speaker 5 (16:49):
The film really shows that this kid's a really terrific player.
He's got a really innate understanding of timing, anticipation because
of the kinds of throws he can make.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
He's a playmaker from the post.
Speaker 5 (17:00):
We think of quarterbacks being playmakers when they get outside
of the pocket. But he makes anticipation throws that are
just phenomenal, and that's innate. You can't really teach that.
You can talk about it, but you can't really teach it.
He's really really good at that. It's high level. But
keep one thing in mind, Bobby Slowitz, their OC. Where
did he come from? The Niners?
Speaker 3 (17:20):
So Joe Mixon had thirty carries last year?
Speaker 5 (17:23):
Nay, you and I know he's not getting thirty carries
every week, but they're.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Going to try to run the ball. The zone run game.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
Last week, particularly to the left behind Laramie Tunsel, was
really really good and that is going to be foundationally
how they play offense.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Okay, so I bring up Sam Darnold and people think
I'm tough on Baker, but I've said before I love
redemption stories, and I think that game last week was
as good as I've seen him play. He's a very
unique player. Greg I always felt with like Brady, I
got the same quarterback every week, Mahomes, I get Baker
can be emotional and when he when he's feeling good
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about himself, he's really good. Was that as good as
he's ever been on tape?
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Well, i'll tell you what. On third down he was
ridiculously good.
Speaker 5 (18:11):
He was I think eight for ten for over one
hundred yards, and it just looked easy for him. So
much of third downs is a function as well of
the coaching staff and the play call, and that's true
no matter how good the quarterback is. But Baker was
extremely decisive last week. He saw things really clearly. I mean,
he's been good Colin for a good part of his career.
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There's no question he's had moments and games where for
whatever reason, he's been reckless and undisciplined. And maybe that's
just because he's an emotional guy. We don't know that,
we're not in his brain, but you're talking about a
guy that throws the ball really well at his core.
He's a pocket quarterback if the scheme can really help him.
And now he's got Liam Cohen who's got a rams background.
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I would expect him to have a really fine season.
Whatever that means number wise, I don't know. But third
down was where he really excelled last week.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Yeah, as you said, he saw things and that is
so hard for certain quarterback. I was saying this week
Derek Carr and Baker Mayfield could have had the two
best games I've ever seen them play in their lives.
And we think of them as sort of mid quarterbacks.
But when you watch these rookies being overwhelmed, you realize
how lucky you are as a franchise to have Baker
Mayfield because he's just slinging it. So the big play
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of the week is Baker.
Speaker 5 (19:28):
Yeah, and it's a third down play and it was
a thirty two yard touchdown. He threw to Jalen McMillan,
who by the way, I really really like So let's
go take a look at that play now, the touchdown
to McMillan, because this was just a really good play
and a really good throw.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
And we'll get to the specifics of it here.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
First we're just going to see the play and it
just looks so easy because McMillan is open.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
But they did a really good job.
Speaker 5 (19:50):
And it's where I talked about concepts and play calling
and how you help. So you're going to see here
mayfield in the gun and it's what we call three
by one set. You're gonna have three receivers to the
field side and Mike Evans at the top of the
screen at the boundary X. Now, what the commanders do
here is they're actually going to play man to man
on the two outside receivers because right now that's Evans
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and McMillan, okay. And then what they're going to do
is they're going to match the releases of the two
inside receivers.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
So what do they do here the bucks.
Speaker 5 (20:20):
They're going to put Jalen McMillan, who's number one, at
the bottom of the screen. He's going to go in
motion inside of Godwin, so he goes from number one
now to being number two because we count receivers from
the outside in. So now what happens is you're going
to see the defense now try to match the releases
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of two different receiver, one different receiver in particular, and
they get confused. So now it's gonna happen. McMillan runs
that deep corner rout. But Baker sees this beautifully. Look
at the two defenders, he sees Colin, He sees these
two guys not in position to turn and run with McMillan,
and the anticipation is beautiful.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Well, he sees it.
Speaker 5 (21:01):
He delivers the ball and it's a touchdown. But again,
this is a great example of the marriage between scheme
and quarterback. And you're gonna see from this angle how
beautiful it is. How they kind of lost the coverage
and it was just it just broke down the coverage.
But Baker has played really, really well. I think you
would agree he played well last year for the most
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part too.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Yeah, No, I thought he deserved a new contract. I
think he's absolutely Listen, Brady Lee casts a shadow, Brady
wins a Super Bowl, he leaves. You got to have
somebody with some confidence replace him, because that's the reality
is Brady comes in, greatest quarterback ever. You can't limp
into the next franchise quarterback. And Baker plays. You know,
he's a swashbuckling gunslinger and I think he works in Tampa.
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I think it works. Greg. As always, you were magnificent.
Thanks again. We'll see you next Thursday.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Thanks, Connor. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Yeah, very good, very good. You take anything from that.
Speaker 6 (22:00):
Yeah, the backyard football stuff that we talked about all
off season with Caleb Williams, he just articulated we saw
it in week one, Colin, that's not a good sign.
Speaker 7 (22:09):
You may be early on this.
Speaker 6 (22:11):
That's the second time I've given you props, but the
Washington one not looking as sharp.
Speaker 7 (22:15):
But Caleb like, just don't just run around for your life.
Speaker 6 (22:19):
He basically said, he's inviting pressures by scrambling around too early.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
It's something it's gonna take a year.
Speaker 7 (22:25):
But Eberfus don't have a year.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
That's the problem. Oh no, no, no, no go look at
that schedule Rams Colts Texans.
Speaker 7 (22:33):
Would Belichick have any interest in coaching Caleb Williams or
is that not tie his cup of tea?
Speaker 8 (22:36):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Did Caleb Williams. Belichick was asked about him last week,
He's like, I wasn't impressed. He completed fifty percent of
his throws.
Speaker 7 (22:44):
So who's the next Bears coach? Who should we start
that discuss?
Speaker 6 (22:47):
Said?
Speaker 1 (22:47):
No, I think you'd have to call Ben Johnson and Detroit.
I think the guy at Houston in the I think
the Houston guy. I think yeah, because Seas. But be honest,
he got c J. Stroud, so he's dealt with a
rookie quarterback. So if you he comes out, hey, we
got a young quarterback who's got some tendencies we want
to get out of. I had c J. Stroud. Let's
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go out with Caleb Williams. Now, CJ is a better,
more accurate thrower of the football period than Kayleb Williams.
Caleb's a much greater athlete, although c J. Stroud's athletic.
But if you watch c J. Stroud play, I'm telling you, man,
it's a short list. It's like Stafford Mahomes. When that
dude lets go with the ball. It is gorgeous and
it is accurate deep underneath seem corner flag. It doesn't
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matter everything he throws is pretty.
Speaker 7 (23:32):
So I was on Colts last week. I watched that
game closely.
Speaker 6 (23:35):
Every single third down was so frustrating because Strouds nails.
Speaker 7 (23:38):
He just delivers every single.
Speaker 6 (23:40):
Time, and I'm like, I can't go against this guy anymore. So,
I you know, luckily Colts were able.
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Kevin O'Connell Minnesota Viking coach one to zero Niners. Up next,
Jordan Schultz joins us NFL Insider. He's got great stuff today.
First though, Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
No, no, no.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
This is the Herd Line news, all right.
Speaker 6 (24:11):
So the forty nine ers got that win over over
the Jets in week one.
Speaker 7 (24:16):
No Christian McCaffery.
Speaker 6 (24:17):
It sounds like he probably won't go again this week.
Jerry Rice has chimed in. He believes San Francisco once
again has the best chance to come out of the
NFC because of one reason.
Speaker 7 (24:27):
Colin, what rock party.
Speaker 9 (24:29):
Okay, we have the offense, we got the quarterback, and
I know they still continue to for some reason feel
like rock Party is not the guy.
Speaker 10 (24:39):
Brock is the guy. And you know you could tell
by the respect that he gets.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
In the huddle all of that.
Speaker 10 (24:45):
Everyone is saying that it's gonna be kse, but nobody
is saying it's gonna be forty nine ers. So I
felt like that was a little disrespect. But we are
not gonna let k C. If we faith in each other,
we're not gonna let him three.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
P Well, you're not gonna have much say as a
retired wide receipt.
Speaker 6 (25:09):
So spirited debate during the commercial break, I heard the
rock purty. So one of the producers said that brock
perty is like a Toyota Corolla.
Speaker 7 (25:17):
No, I thought that was a little harsh.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Yeah, he's better than that.
Speaker 7 (25:20):
Another one said he was like a BMW three series.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
That's pretty good.
Speaker 7 (25:23):
That's not bad. Another said a base model tesla.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
No, he's better than that.
Speaker 6 (25:29):
The disrespect for Purdy is amazing. And Colin, you know,
narratives changed so quickly. If the Niners had won the
Super Bowl and they were close, right, they dominated that game,
is all of a sudden, the Brock pretty narrative is
totally different, all because Patrick mahomes dolldos.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Here's I like Brock. I've said before I like him.
I think if people are going overboard, but I've said
that for years about Dak who I like people go overboard. Tua,
I like people go overboard. So I would say this clearly,
not anybody could do this because they wanted Trey Lance
to work and it didn't. All right, so not anybody
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can do this, and they got rid of Jimy Garoppolo,
who got to a super Bowl.
Speaker 7 (26:08):
So look at the numbers on the screen. By the way,
just for the record, the numbers matter people now.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
The numbers are sixty nine percent completion percentage, hundred and
thirteen passer ready as a Niner.
Speaker 7 (26:16):
Yeah, if you cover up the wind lost record, come.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
So here here's why. And it's not that I don't
believe in him. I just think people have I feel
like I'm the wet blanket on an inferno of hype.
So here's why you should believe in him. Kurt Warner
was undrafted, made the Hall of Fame. Tony Romo was undrafted,
was excellent. Mark Brunell was like a fifth round guy.
Brady was a sixth round guy. We have a history
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in this league of seventh round and undrafted quarterbacks not
just being good. Kurt Warners were the best I've ever seen.
Tony Rommel was undrafted. We've never had a great seventh
round quarterback. We've had a first, a second, a third,
or fourth to fifth, an undrafted a Sex, Tom Brady.
I think it's fair to say Brock is great seventh
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round quarterback. Now, I don't know, I don't go back
to the fifties, sixty seventies in recent memory, but we've
had you know, I mean, Russell Wilson was a third rounder,
Dack's a fourth rounder, Cousins a fourth rounder, Mark Brunell
later Brady, six undrafted Warner and Romo. I can't recall
a seventh rounder where I was the last guy taken
where I'm like, but I think now you can see
he's not a big guy. That never huge arm. They
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got wet Is Handra a bit smaller. They're not ideal,
but I think what he is with this coach is highly,
highly functional wildly Drew Brees accurate and what the word
is out of San Francisco. Sam Darnold was telling people
this cognitively, He's got a smart mom and dad, I
bet he functions. First of all, I had a ton
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of high school in college starts, so the guy's gotten.
He's played a lot of football. He is working at
warp speed upstairs. You see this with CJ. Stroud.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
C J.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Stroud just sees stuff. I mean he sees the whole field.
C J. Stroud's like boom boom boom. I mean he
throws all over the field. Some of these rookies literally
are just zoned into a guy. So some of these
kids they just see it better and and and they
can let it rip. And I think you can't deny
his ability to quickly read, see and deliver accurately. And
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that's a franchise quarterback.
Speaker 7 (28:14):
Again, He's just gonna have the doubters.
Speaker 6 (28:16):
Because forever, pretty much forever, Listen Brady had doubters.
Speaker 7 (28:19):
After two and three Super Bowls, Colin, there were doubters.
He's a game manager.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Early in the career, there.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Was an article and I forget who could have been
seth with Wickersham And there's so many books written on him,
Jeff Benedict, you and O'Connor, but there was a it
may have been Wickersham where if you if you if
you read this is after five six Super Bowls. They
were like, we think we could have done with with
a lot of guys. So the people that knew him
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most closely, the people that Tom Brady had made rich
question him, forget fans and media. So this idea that
we're tough on Brock Party Brady is actually something that
doesn't exist the rest of sports. Underrated as the goat.
He's really there's a big percentage of New England that
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was like, I'm telling you, I'm reading these articles in
these books on him, and it New England had this
feeling that, you know, we can duplicate this with several guys,
maybe not the whole league or half the league, but
another five or six guys.
Speaker 6 (29:18):
It's just funny that, like you mentioned Tony Romo as
an undrafted guy, and my first thought was, okay, he
was fine. He at no point was he ever better
than what Rock Party has done already?
Speaker 1 (29:27):
As well, there's not even he was a better athlete.
Speaker 7 (29:31):
He Mark Jackson's a better athlete.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
So and what while Ma Holmes and Josh Allen and
Lamar are great athletes, it matters.
Speaker 6 (29:38):
Wonderful and that's why people love them and don't like
Rock Party because.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
He Tony ever have a Kyle Shanahan.
Speaker 7 (29:45):
Who did Robo ever have a cash?
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (29:47):
I got to go back to his coaching tree.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Did he? It was Jason Garrett, who's fine?
Speaker 7 (29:51):
Garrett? Hey, that guy was a Dolphins and genius right,
they called him the clapper.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
He's fine, has a good job. I'm just saying Jason
was fine. He was a solid, good coach, fine broadcast.
I'm just saying I Kyle and his dad are next level.
Speaker 6 (30:10):
Yeah, I guess we got to banish Rock Party to
what's a what's a crap team? We gotta banish him
to the Saints. Go win with the Saints, take them somewhere,
and then we'll respect you, Brock, because that's.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
What it is.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Some people's journeys are different. So if Joe Burrow had
to carry a terrible owner and O line to a
Super Bowl, Dak got a great O line, the best
running back, Rock Purty arrived in the NFL like Magic Johnson,
with amazing toys everywhere.
Speaker 7 (30:40):
By the way, all those toys, they never want anything.
Shanahan has not won a Super Bowl, so let's not see.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Actually that means Brock perty is not won a Super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (30:47):
Correct, well, we know that, but I'm saying, see, he's
got this great setup, like, okay, great, I love.
Speaker 7 (30:52):
Deebo, Samuel Brandon Ayuka is an all pro once. Sorry
to defend Purty.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Let's move on.
Speaker 6 (30:57):
Let's just move on to Thursday. I have football Dolphins, Bills.
Miami's got some issues. Collin Raheem Moster ruled out with
a chest injury. And Devin h Chan, the real fast
kid who had a bunch of catches very dangerous.
Speaker 7 (31:10):
He's questionable with an ankle on a short week.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Not great.
Speaker 6 (31:14):
Hhan has missed the last two practices. My guess is
they probably hold him out tonight. And then you're looking
at like Jeff Wilson and some rookie.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
It's like it's not great.
Speaker 7 (31:23):
It's not ideal.
Speaker 6 (31:24):
Unfortunately, you know, the Bills are not a great defense,
as we saw Kyler Marie company just run up and
down the field on him. The more I look at this,
like I want the Dolphins, but I think I'm gonna
stay away.
Speaker 7 (31:34):
Yeah, try to watch it.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Neither are these guys plays. I like the Dolphins too,
but if you don't have your top two backs.
Speaker 6 (31:40):
Maybe we can find a prop bet. I'm trying to
think of the Bills secondary. They're down to Ron Johnson.
Speaker 7 (31:44):
Who's who's there?
Speaker 3 (31:45):
XO.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
How About because Miami started so slowly in week one,
how about first half over. Miami will come out fine, sure,
first half over and by the way, Buffalo both teams.
Both teams started very slowly in the first half. So
what's the game plan all week We've got to start better,
We've got to separate. So both teams will play very well,
the Dolphins of Bills. It'll be a little bit of
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a shootout in the first half. The offenses will be slick.
Speaker 6 (32:10):
You know what a prop bet is like a first
and last touchdown.
Speaker 7 (32:14):
Trying to nail him.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
I don't do that stuff.
Speaker 6 (32:16):
I got someboddies who we analyze this stuff, and they
actually nailed Alan Lazard for last touchdown against the forty
nine ers for the Jets.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
It was a free play.
Speaker 7 (32:24):
That's a big payday, though all aren't touchdown anyway.
Speaker 6 (32:27):
Let's go to the final story, Colin, and it is
the bungles, the Cincinnati bungles.
Speaker 7 (32:32):
Colin, it is not looking good. T Higgins still hasn't
practiced with the hammy.
Speaker 6 (32:36):
Zach Taylor said Higgins is day to day making progress,
but the lack of practice is concerning. Adam Schefter is
on record saying he would be surprised if t Higgins
suits up for Week two. Somebody's betting on the Bengals.
Here it was six, it's down to five.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
The wise guys love the Bengals.
Speaker 6 (32:53):
I don't know what there is to love. But Joe
Burrow may be bouncing back. They were trying to avoid
the zero to two start, and I know it's one
of your big things.
Speaker 7 (33:01):
Look at the numbers oh and two death sentence. Well
I looked it up, Collins.
Speaker 6 (33:05):
Here's a list, thank you, chat GPT of the teams
that started oh and too and made the playoffs in
the last twenty years. Eleven teams, one of the one
the Super Bowl, the New York Giants in twenty eleven,
and oh, by the way, the twenty twenty two Cincinnati
Bengals started oh.
Speaker 7 (33:20):
To two and made the playoffs. So it can be.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Done if you credit our producers and not chat GBT.
Speaker 7 (33:27):
Well, they only went back a few years.
Speaker 6 (33:29):
I like a little more data than just a few
so I went back twenty years.
Speaker 7 (33:32):
What our producers are phenomenal. I guess you think it's
over If Bengals go oh in too.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
I wouldn't trust chat GBT. They're out there spouting political opinions.
Speaker 7 (33:40):
No, no, I don't ask for politics.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
I just do first ask how Comeal and Trump did
see what it gives you?
Speaker 7 (33:46):
Will? They talk about dogs and cats and I'm just kidding.
People do not send me notes.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
I don't want to hear it.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
James mackquin the news.
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Speaker 1 (35:05):
All right, we call it big Bets. We do it
on Thursday at the end of our second hour, where
we look at the big ten and give you the
bets we feel good about.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
Now.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
I had Nebraska last week rolling over Colorado. That was
probably my favorite bet of the week. So here we go.
Let's give them a little Wisconsin fight song. Camp Randall's
gonna be home for number four Alabama. I'm gonna take
the over forty nine and a half. Alabama's explosive, but
Wisconsin can run the football and Alabama's defense gave up
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over two hundred rushing yards last week. I think Alabama
wins this game and pretty comfortably. Tyler Van Dyke's an
interesting quarterback. Came from Miami to Wisconsin. People were really
into him a couple of years ago, but He's played
six games in his career against ranked opponents, seventeen touchdowns,
three picks, so he's competent. Wisconsin will lose. You're gonna
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see points. I'll take the over forty nine and a half.
It'll start slow, huish, the points will start coming in
the second half.
Speaker 6 (36:02):
We will not talk about how poor I did last
week in this segment, but I'm going to start off.
Speaker 7 (36:07):
With Wisconsin getting sixteen. It's stupid, it makes no sense.
Speaker 6 (36:11):
Again, this is simply a number grab Colin in the
Summer Vegas line. This game is seven and a half
eight for Alabama, and after two games were at sixteen,
I just have to take on principle the number. I'm
sure Wisconsin will lose and probably get their teeth kicked in.
If this we're at night, I would give Wisconsin a
slightly better chance, right, but I think Alabama wins Wisconsin covers.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
I'm gonna take the Washington Huskies in the Apple Cup,
which has moved up now because they're both not in
the Pac twelve. Over Washington State. I only have to
swallow five. The Huskies have won nine to ten. They've
won sixteen straight home games, which is the second longest
streak to Georgia in the country. Washington State's replacing cam Ward,
who is a remarkable quarterback, and that is a big ask.
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Their offense only had about one hundred and fifteen passing
yards last week against Texas Tech, so they're just not
as dynamic. And I think Jed Fish and Washington have
done some nice work on the transfer portal offensively grabbing
some guys from Arizona. I think the Huskies win by
at least a touchdown, all right, I.
Speaker 6 (37:10):
Will Last week I backed Michigan like a buffoon. This
week I'm fading them against Arkansas State. Mighty Arkansas State, Colin.
This is what this is all about. One thing, sandwich
spot last week Texas next week USC.
Speaker 7 (37:22):
For Michigan. You think they're thinking about the Arkansas State.
Are they the Red Wolves still?
Speaker 1 (37:27):
They're Red something?
Speaker 7 (37:28):
Read something?
Speaker 6 (37:29):
Yeah, So I'm fading Michigan. I can't see them getting
margin here. I think more in the offense. Should they
take a two touchdown lead, Let's just power down, Let's
get everybody home safely. We got USC next week and
we cannot lose that game. I don't think this is
a situation where Notre Dame like lost at home, remember
to Northern Illinois. I don't think it's that bad, but
I do think there's a world where Michigan's like fourth
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quarter six point game, What the heck?
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Yeah, I think Michigan's going to struggle to score points
all season. Finally, I'm gonna take the over on Maryland
at Virginia. Maryland has a coach that's pretty smart, and
Virginia has been a not only a bad ACC team,
the worst defense in the ACC. Last two seasons, they're
six and sixteen in a bad conference. I think, you know,
Maryland's one of those programs. I think it's always a
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little bit better than you think. They're pretty competitive at quarterback.
Usually they've had some good ones. I think it's a
potential blowout, but I think Maryland's dropping thirty five to
forty points in them. So I'll take the over on
fifty seven.
Speaker 7 (38:25):
Wow, Okay.
Speaker 6 (38:26):
I will wrap up with the Iowa Hawkeye. You've called
them the fake ID.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
You used to we graduate, well, not anymore.
Speaker 7 (38:32):
Now it's Dean.
Speaker 6 (38:32):
I know. I feel like they're kind of Dallas Cowboys
ish in big spots, they always come up empty. Last week,
blew the halftime lead, against the rival lose. I think
against a Troy team that's massively going to be overwhelmed here.
This is like thirty three zero. Iowa, like Dallas, loves
to front run and bully around bad teams, and they
always come up empty in big spots.
Speaker 7 (38:53):
So this is not a big spot. Iowa wins the.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Covers, all right, big bets. Nebraska last week was a screamer.
Let's not revisit that. Yeah, that was a screamer. I
actually think I think the over Bama, Wisconsin and the
Huskies are. They're not as good as my Nebraska pick,
but I like them a lot, and I'm just I'm
being on Virginia to be bad again.
Speaker 7 (39:15):
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us as well. I thought it was really interesting listening
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to Mark Sanchez yesterday talk about Caleb Williams, and then
listening to Greg co Sell today talk about Caleb Williams.
This is not just some hot take. They are voicing
concerns based on films. Sanchez said yesterday with Caleb, his
head was all over the place on the twenty two film.
He's lost, he doesn't know what he's seeing. He's all
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over the place. He's not definitive in his decisions. And
then Greg co Sell saying he's working himself into sacks.
He's too loose in the pocket. We want our quarterbacks
to move into the pocket, not to move into trouble.
You want to move away from trouble. Some of that's
just rookie and experience, but these are Sanchez breaks down
quarterback play. I don't watch every Sports Networks shows. He
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does as good a job as anybody at this company
of taking a young quarterback. He's been there and breaking
down and evaluating strengths and weaknesses. Yesterday was like symphonic.
It was a clinic by Sanchez, and Greg co Sell
is saying a lot of the same things. He's creating
his own problems. We talked about this yesterday. There's a
difference between making mistakes we all do we make. I
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make a mistake on this show probably every day. Who
something stupid and creating problems? You know, Cleveland Brown, Deshaun
Watson fully guarantees not a mistake. You've created now a
problem for the franchise, the entire locker room. And that's
what they're saying about Caleb Williams. He just not mistakes.
It's like he's creating stuff. So you've got to coach
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him out of that. Which the Bears have a defensive
head coach and a defensive culture.
Speaker 6 (41:16):
You think Ibra flu says, hey, let's slow it down,
Let's run the football a lot. The Texans run defense
was weak. They did improve it, there were some holes
in week one. I wonder if we see a rejuvenated
like DeAndre Swift game coming up, or whoever they got
in the back four.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
Well, Roma Dunze and Keenan Allen are both limping. So
my guess is, you know, when somebody is struggling, the
way to solve it is often simplify it, ask less
of the person struggling. So to your point, you're probably right.
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Welcome back at his hour. Two and a Thursday, Bills
and Miami Tonight, Josh Allen has feasted on the Dolphins
defense since he arrived in Buffalo. Tua has really struggled,
really struggled against I think their chief rival. So that's
an interesting one tonight. I think I'm leaning Miami, although
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they fell behind early against the Jags, came roaring back.
I'm gonna get to Greg co Sell in a few minutes,
senior producer NFL Films forty years. So it's interesting. And
I said this last hour, I think Aaron is a
very thoughtful guy. Aaron Rodgers a very thoughtful guy. Is
(01:08):
the criticisms I've levied against him. I tell him to
his face. I think he can be prickly and difficult
and passive aggressive. I wish he was more confrontational, but
that's his personality.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Whatever.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
The book is fascinating by Ian O'Connor. The documentary I
can't wait to watch. I respect his brain, I respect
his choices. I mean, I disagree on the vaccine.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Who cares?
Speaker 1 (01:26):
People can think what they want. Wasn't a mandate. I'm
not in the mandates. I don't care. Seriously, I consume
people all the time. I don't agree with all the time.
Joe Rogan a little bit of a conspiracy theorist at times,
but he's very, very entertaining. He's a very smart guy.
He's a very curious guy. I like Joe Rogan. I've
told him that before. I liked him in a UFC fight.
You know, sometimes I disagree with people's opinions. You and
(01:46):
I don't have to agree on who we're voting for
for president, and I have friends that I disagree ideologically.
I still vacation with him. Who cares? And that's what
I think about Aaron Rodgers. I think he's a fascinating guy.
He's a complex guy, he's a smart guy, and you know,
he goes down some wormholes on the internet. I wouldn't.
But whatever he talked about the oh to one start,
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and you know, pulling back and lightening up.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
The league is a lot different than what I said
relax years ago in that there's just so much more
coverage that there's so much more opportunity for overreaction. So
I get it. We want to win, if fans want
to win, the organization wants to win. But the process
has to be the same. You know, if it's good
enough in week one, it's good enough in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
So what he's basically saying is trust the process that
in week one, as I showed you that passing chart,
is the question twenty one passes only two to the
right side. Look at that passing chart. What is that
telling you. He doesn't trust his left tackle, he doesn't
trust his protection. He wants to throw it left so
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we can see out of the corner of his eye
the pass rush. That's what it tells me. This is
not a rookie quarterback that doesn't see both sides of
the field. This isn't like they had Patrick Sirtan on
the right side. This is not like they only put
Garrett Wilson on one side. He is thrown to one
side of the field. That's what you would see for
a rookie passing chart, like a guy that can't read
the field. You see that sometimes with rookies. They won't
throw the wall over the middle of the field. It's
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all bubble screens out into the flaps. So that tells
me there is a lack of trust in some of
this process. And it may be he doesn't trust his
protection or his achilles, whatever it is. So it's an
interesting point by Aaron, and my take is I'm seeing
a lack of trust somewhere. Twenty one passes only to
go right and not even far right. One of them's
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close to the middle. Greg co Sell forty five years
NFL films, this is what he does, all right. So
they had one really really good drive, The play calling
was good. San Francisco scored on eighth straight. So you know,
the juxtaposition of the Niners and Jets offense, it was ugly.
What did the films say? What did you like? What
worried you? What did the films say about Aaron and
the Jets.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
Well, it's funny you talk about the protection because we
talked about their own line leading into the season being
better Colin, but they struggled. But keep in mind that
they were playing against arguably as good a front six
as there is in the National Football League, and I
thought that both tackles new tackles this year, Tyron Smith
and Morgan Moses struggled in pass pro. And again they
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were going against Nick Bosa maybe you know, he's certainly
a top three pass rusher in the league, and Leonard Floyd,
who is a good player.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
So I think they struggled a bit there.
Speaker 5 (04:26):
Don't forget Aaron Rodgers has not really played in a
regular season game in really two years, and he has
not played with these players other than Alan Lazard in
a regular season game.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Now.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
I think Garrett Wilson is terrific and it's evident he
will become a movable chess piece that'll line him up
all over the formation. He's a great player. They need
Mike Williams to become a factor at the boundary X receiver,
but it was a game where I thought he just
had a workof kind of the mental and physical rust
and I expect him to be significantly better as the
season progresses. You're talking about a uarterback that number one.
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You could say he throws the ball better than any
quarterback we've ever seen and number two, he's so exceptionally smart.
I remember one of his former quarterback coaches telling me
that he came off the field after a series and
Rogers could tell you what seven defenders were doing on
every play.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
That is unheard of.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Yeah, yeah, Brady had some of those qualities where people
Tom could see the entire field as he dropped back
to pass offensive guys. Defenders. Yeah, there are very few
guys in the planet. He's always been a thoughtful, bright guy.
I've said before sometimes he's a bit quirky, but you know,
we need more quirky people. He's more artists than accountant.
I'm okay with that. We need more artists. I mean,
we need fewer accountants. Okay. I want to go back
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to Thursday, Chiefs and and Lamar Jackson. I feel like
I defend Lamar Jackson. At every turn he was an
inch from potentially winning the game. So when I watched
the Chiefs, now Andy Reid's very good in September, brings
out the tricks. But I got to tell you, Rashid
Rice looked like a one worthies. I don't know if
he's a volume receiver, he's a valuable weapon, A gadget.
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They have two tight ends now that I trust, and
then guys like Ben Watson, who can you know, make plays.
Juju Smith, Schuster's coming, He'll grow Hollywood, Brown's coming back.
I think Kansas City looks like a better version of
last year. What did the film say?
Speaker 5 (06:16):
Well, I think they're now in a situation where they
can really get the best out of their players in
how they deploy them because look what they did with
Rachie Rice, and some of that's a function now with
having Xavier Worthy. Because Rice worked between the numbers, they
got him matched up on linebackers on a lot of
those quick routes, option routes, what we call jerk routes,
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and that's where he's at his best because he's a big,
physical receiver. He's not truly a burner on the perimeter.
But Worthy is now that guy Brown can work on
the outside. So now you have Rice, who, in a
sense with Kelsey, works the same area of the field,
and you get the matchups that really favor what your
players do best. And I mean, look, you saw Rice
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beating Rokwan Smith on the those little option routes, inside
choice routes, whatever teams call them.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (07:03):
But you know, so they're able now to really deploy
their players the way they can best be deployed, and
they'll be a really difficult offense to defend.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
So I want to you know, I said about Lamar Jackson,
he had like sixteen rushes and he took some real hits.
I said, I think in his mind that he plays
different against Kansas City than everybody else because it means more,
and I don't think he'll take those hits. I don't
think he'll put his body in that situation. I think
it's sort of the way he plays Kansas City. It
feels like he needs to win this game. Were you
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disturbed by how many hits he took. He was like
a running back out there.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
And they said that he lost weight, so I know
he missed practice time this week. They said he was sore.
That's not good after the first week of the season.
You know, Jackson is a player, and I think you
would agree it's very difficult to evaluate him the way
you would evaluate you know, sort of traditional quarterbacks, right
because when you watch their tape and I've watched him
for years as you have, I probably in almost every
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game he's played in the NFL from the coaching tape,
and he's not really a timing rhythm player.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
That's not really his game.
Speaker 5 (08:08):
You don't see a lot of throws where he drops back,
hits his back foot, throws the ball, particularly in the
middle of the field where there are a lot of bodies.
He's more of an instinct player. He's got unbelievable instincts.
That's the strength of his game. So obviously the running
is a major part. You know, he's missed not last year,
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but the previous two years. He missed what the last
five or six games each season. You wonder, now if
he's lost weight and he's going to run that much,
if that's going to be a factor. Everybody starts to
get older and the body just doesn't react the same way.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Okay, I want to do Bills Miami here because I
watched Buffalo struggle early and I was kind of critical
on my podcast after the game. I said, can they
ever be more than just? Hey, Josh put on the
Superman cape and he's unbelievable. He's really an unbelievable player,
probably the best over all talent in the sport. Are
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you working? I like cook I like their tight ends,
but you know at receiver it's a rookie. When you
watch the film, do you again believe it's another year
of Superman Josh Allen or bust.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
Well, look, I think they're trying not to be that way.
Cook had nineteen carries. Keep that in mind. Davis only
had three of the rookie Ray Davis out of Kentucky.
They'd like to get him involved as well. I think
they're trying to be more than Josh Allen. And by
the way, with the nature of their past game as well,
they're trying to get him a lot more rhythmic type
throws so he doesn't have deeper drops. And then because
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at his best and Allen is a great player, as
you said, but he's not a true progression reader the
way you think of, you know, a Drew Brees or
a Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. You know, he can
do that, but that's not the best part of his game.
He's another player that's very instinctive in how he plays.
But they're clearly trying to develop a run game. They're
very multiple colin with their run game concepts, so I
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would expect that they'll continue to do that. They did
not run a lot of plays this past week, so
you may not have seen exactly how they want their
offense to look. And again, you know, and I know
there's all overreactions to week one, but the thing is
with Josh Allen, when you get into those sort of critical,
high level, high leverage down in distant situations, he's the
best player on the field and you want the ball
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in his hands.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
So two in Miami's offense couldn't do anything for a
big chunks of the game early and then Holland had
that brilliant punch out tackle of the goal line Miami
recovers gets possession that really changed the game. That was
the play of the game. Why were you know, we
think of McDaniel two of the receivers. Why were they
so choppy offensively early?
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Why?
Speaker 1 (10:44):
What did Jacksonville do? What was wrong with their offense?
Speaker 3 (10:48):
You know what?
Speaker 5 (10:49):
This is why I love watching tape Colin, because I
put that tape on and I'm seeing what Ryan Nielson,
the DC for Jacksonville did.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
And it was really really good.
Speaker 5 (10:58):
Now people might think, okay, well every team should do
the same thing, and we know it never works like that.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
But what he did is two things.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
Number One, he had safeties become a robber defenders because
where is the Miami pass game at its best between
the numbers, all those timing and rhythm throws between the numbers.
So he had a safety be a robber. And also
what he did is he showed pressure fronts and then
had a linebacker drop out, essentially in a similar position.
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When a linebacker drops out, we tend to call it lurk.
But he would definitely have an extra defender sitting in
the middle of the field. And he played a lot
of man coverage because what's to his game. He's the
best windows thrower in the NFL. Those timing throws against
zone coverage into windows. So he played man and he
put a defender in the middle of the field. Now
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I give Mike McDaniel a ton of credit because in
the second half he started to counter that and did
a really, really good job. But I thought Ryan Nielson,
the DC for Jacksonville, did a tremendous job in game
planning against that off.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
So I talked about this earlier. It's a bit of
a red flag. I'm not making a definitive opinion, but
Caleb Williams, if you count preseason and the which is
all vanilla defense is very few starters, and the first
week is completing forty nine percent of his throws in
a passer rating. That's regrettable. And at USC he had
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three games last year where he was completing under sixty
percent of his throws. Now, I'm not making again. I'm
not saying it's over, but I'm saying that was what
gms in the league told me. They're like, we love him.
Mahomes is the comp but he can be erratic with
his with his accuracy. And by the way, when Mahomes
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was early in his career, Andy Reid brings him back
on the fairway. Stafford can get bad, he can get
a little reckless, or his mechanics McVeigh brings him back
they don't have. That's why I owe it. That's why
I've predicted that bo Nicks will have the best rookie season.
He's got an offensive code to get you edit the
bad stuff out. So the Caleb stuff, I'm saying it's
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a bit of a red flag. I know it's one week,
but he missed twice. He missopen people. What does the
film say, Greg.
Speaker 5 (13:13):
Well, I think the issue for him at this point
is twofold number one. Because this is all new, he
was very focused on just executing the play call, whether
that receiver was open or not. That's very common for
rookie quarterbacks in their first start, so he made a
lot of throws that he probably shouldn't have made.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
The ball comes out of his hand beautifully. We all
know that. The other thing that he really needs to
work on.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
It showed up at USC, it showed up in the preseason,
and it showed up Week one against the Titans, is
he needs to really get a better innate understanding of
the pocket and how to play from the pocket. He
tends to move and create his own pressure. He tends
to climb the pocket and step up when he doesn't
need to. Now, in college, maybe you can get away
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with that at times, but in the NFL you're not
going to get away with that. So what happens is
he steps up and now he's closer to the bodies,
and all of a sudden, he feels like he has
to speed up or get out of the pocket. So
he just needs to develop a better feel to have
to play from the pocket. Keep in mind, he got
sacked in his two years at USC over eighty times.
(14:18):
I saw all those plays. Colin. Sure, the O line
wasn't great, as you know you live out there, but
a lot of those sacks are on him, and that's
a lot of sacks for a really good college quarterback
in two years.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Yeah, you're so good at this. Okay, I'm gonna be
a little prideful here as I asked you this question,
Sam Darnold, Sammy dar'nt there you go.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
I knew that was coming.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
I think, let me, I think it was twelve of
twelve to start. I can't remember. Okay, look pretty good.
Now the schedule gets brutal. It maybe the last great moment.
But let's talk about what you saw.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
Well, there's a couple of things here that really stood
out to me. Number One, keep in mind where he
was last year, even though he wasn't the starter. He
was in San Francisco. Now he's with Kevin O'Connell. You're
talking about high level coaching. One thing that really stood
out to me. Yes, it's one game, and I'm not
going to sit here and say, man, is he gonna
have a great year. But I just thought the way
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he dropped back, his footwork, his balance, the way his
lower body and upper body were coordinated, the way he
was coordinated in sync with the routes by the receivers.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
I just thought he looked really comfortable.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
And again, it's one game, so we're not going to
act like this guy's going to have an All Pro season.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
But he looked like a different quarterback.
Speaker 5 (15:35):
He threw a steam ball, I believe, to the tight
end early in the game, and it just looked exactly
the way it's supposed to look. That forty four yarder
to Jefferson on the sail route or the deep corner route,
that was just absolutely beautiful, and not because he placed
it perfectly, which of course was great, but because of
the way he dropped back and hitched up in the pocket.
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Everything was right about his footwork, the coordination with his
lower and upper that's what I look for very often
when I watch quarterbacks, and he just looked like a
far more comfortable player from a technique and fundamental standpoint.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
So now everybody has film on CJ. Stroud, and yet
I watch him against the Colts and they've given him
Joe Mixon, who I've always thought deserves more appreciation. He's
had off field stuff. Maybe he's not as likable whatever.
He's a really good running back, functional, physical and now
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Stefan Diggs. Everybody got film on c J. Stroud. I
like the coaching staff in Indie and he's out there dealing.
Are we looking at are we looking at with c J? Stroud?
The Texans offense? Are we looking at a kid that
we're going to say in a year is right behind Mahomes?
I mean, but what's the film say?
Speaker 5 (16:49):
The film really shows that this kid's a really terrific player.
He's got a really innate understanding of timing, anticipation because
of the kinds of throws he can make.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
He's a playmaker from the post.
Speaker 5 (17:00):
We think of quarterbacks being playmakers when they get outside
of the pocket. But he makes anticipation throws that are
just phenomenal, and that's innate. You can't really teach that.
You can talk about it, but you can't really teach it.
He's really really good at that. It's high level. But
keep one thing in mind, Bobby Slowitz, their OC. Where
did he come from? The Niners?
Speaker 3 (17:20):
So Joe Mixon had thirty carries last year?
Speaker 5 (17:23):
Nay, you and I know he's not getting thirty carries
every week, but they're.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Going to try to run the ball. The zone run game.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
Last week, particularly to the left behind Laramie Tunsel, was
really really good and that is going to be foundationally
how they play offense.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Okay, so I bring up Sam Darnold and people think
I'm tough on Baker, but I've said before I love
redemption stories, and I think that game last week was
as good as I've seen him play. He's a very
unique player. Greg I always felt with like Brady, I
got the same quarterback every week, Mahomes, I get Baker
can be emotional and when he when he's feeling good
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about himself, he's really good. Was that as good as
he's ever been on tape?
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Well, i'll tell you what. On third down he was
ridiculously good.
Speaker 5 (18:11):
He was I think eight for ten for over one
hundred yards, and it just looked easy for him. So
much of third downs is a function as well of
the coaching staff and the play call, and that's true
no matter how good the quarterback is. But Baker was
extremely decisive last week. He saw things really clearly. I mean,
he's been good Colin for a good part of his career.
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There's no question he's had moments and games where for
whatever reason, he's been reckless and undisciplined. And maybe that's
just because he's an emotional guy. We don't know that,
we're not in his brain, but you're talking about a
guy that throws the ball really well at his core.
He's a pocket quarterback if the scheme can really help him.
And now he's got Liam Cohen who's got a rams background.
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I would expect him to have a really fine season.
Whatever that means number wise, I don't know. But third
down was where he really excelled last week.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Yeah, as you said, he saw things and that is
so hard for certain quarterback. I was saying this week
Derek Carr and Baker Mayfield could have had the two
best games I've ever seen them play in their lives.
And we think of them as sort of mid quarterbacks.
But when you watch these rookies being overwhelmed, you realize
how lucky you are as a franchise to have Baker
Mayfield because he's just slinging it. So the big play
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of the week is Baker.
Speaker 5 (19:28):
Yeah, and it's a third down play and it was
a thirty two yard touchdown. He threw to Jalen McMillan,
who by the way, I really really like So let's
go take a look at that play now, the touchdown
to McMillan, because this was just a really good play
and a really good throw.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
And we'll get to the specifics of it here.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
First we're just going to see the play and it
just looks so easy because McMillan is open.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
But they did a really good job.
Speaker 5 (19:50):
And it's where I talked about concepts and play calling
and how you help. So you're going to see here
mayfield in the gun and it's what we call three
by one set. You're gonna have three receivers to the
field side and Mike Evans at the top of the
screen at the boundary X. Now, what the commanders do
here is they're actually going to play man to man
on the two outside receivers because right now that's Evans
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and McMillan, okay. And then what they're going to do
is they're going to match the releases of the two
inside receivers.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
So what do they do here the bucks.
Speaker 5 (20:20):
They're going to put Jalen McMillan, who's number one, at
the bottom of the screen. He's going to go in
motion inside of Godwin, so he goes from number one
now to being number two because we count receivers from
the outside in. So now what happens is you're going
to see the defense now try to match the releases
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of two different receiver, one different receiver in particular, and
they get confused. So now it's gonna happen. McMillan runs
that deep corner rout. But Baker sees this beautifully. Look
at the two defenders, he sees Colin, He sees these
two guys not in position to turn and run with McMillan,
and the anticipation is beautiful.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Well, he sees it.
Speaker 5 (21:01):
He delivers the ball and it's a touchdown. But again,
this is a great example of the marriage between scheme
and quarterback. And you're gonna see from this angle how
beautiful it is. How they kind of lost the coverage
and it was just it just broke down the coverage.
But Baker has played really, really well. I think you
would agree he played well last year for the most
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part too.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Yeah, No, I thought he deserved a new contract. I
think he's absolutely Listen, Brady Lee casts a shadow, Brady
wins a Super Bowl, he leaves. You got to have
somebody with some confidence replace him, because that's the reality
is Brady comes in, greatest quarterback ever. You can't limp
into the next franchise quarterback. And Baker plays. You know,
he's a swashbuckling gunslinger and I think he works in Tampa.
(21:45):
I think it works. Greg. As always, you were magnificent.
Thanks again. We'll see you next Thursday.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Thanks, Connor. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Yeah, very good, very good. You take anything from that.
Speaker 6 (22:00):
Yeah, the backyard football stuff that we talked about all
off season with Caleb Williams, he just articulated we saw
it in week one, Colin, that's not a good sign.
Speaker 7 (22:09):
You may be early on this.
Speaker 6 (22:11):
That's the second time I've given you props, but the
Washington one not looking as sharp.
Speaker 7 (22:15):
But Caleb like, just don't just run around for your life.
Speaker 6 (22:19):
He basically said, he's inviting pressures by scrambling around too early.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
It's something it's gonna take a year.
Speaker 7 (22:25):
But Eberfus don't have a year.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
That's the problem. Oh no, no, no, no go look at
that schedule Rams Colts Texans.
Speaker 7 (22:33):
Would Belichick have any interest in coaching Caleb Williams or
is that not tie his cup of tea?
Speaker 8 (22:36):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Did Caleb Williams. Belichick was asked about him last week,
He's like, I wasn't impressed. He completed fifty percent of
his throws.
Speaker 7 (22:44):
So who's the next Bears coach? Who should we start
that discuss?
Speaker 6 (22:47):
Said?
Speaker 1 (22:47):
No, I think you'd have to call Ben Johnson and Detroit.
I think the guy at Houston in the I think
the Houston guy. I think yeah, because Seas. But be honest,
he got c J. Stroud, so he's dealt with a
rookie quarterback. So if you he comes out, hey, we
got a young quarterback who's got some tendencies we want
to get out of. I had c J. Stroud. Let's
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go out with Caleb Williams. Now, CJ is a better,
more accurate thrower of the football period than Kayleb Williams.
Caleb's a much greater athlete, although c J. Stroud's athletic.
But if you watch c J. Stroud play, I'm telling you, man,
it's a short list. It's like Stafford Mahomes. When that
dude lets go with the ball. It is gorgeous and
it is accurate deep underneath seem corner flag. It doesn't
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matter everything he throws is pretty.
Speaker 7 (23:32):
So I was on Colts last week. I watched that
game closely.
Speaker 6 (23:35):
Every single third down was so frustrating because Strouds nails.
Speaker 7 (23:38):
He just delivers every single.
Speaker 6 (23:40):
Time, and I'm like, I can't go against this guy anymore. So,
I you know, luckily Colts were able.
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First though, Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
No, no, no.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Turn on the news.
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This is the Herd Line news, all right.
Speaker 6 (24:11):
So the forty nine ers got that win over over
the Jets in week one.
Speaker 7 (24:16):
No Christian McCaffery.
Speaker 6 (24:17):
It sounds like he probably won't go again this week.
Jerry Rice has chimed in. He believes San Francisco once
again has the best chance to come out of the
NFC because of one reason.
Speaker 7 (24:27):
Colin, what rock party.
Speaker 9 (24:29):
Okay, we have the offense, we got the quarterback, and
I know they still continue to for some reason feel
like rock Party is not the guy.
Speaker 10 (24:39):
Brock is the guy. And you know you could tell
by the respect that he gets.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
In the huddle all of that.
Speaker 10 (24:45):
Everyone is saying that it's gonna be kse, but nobody
is saying it's gonna be forty nine ers. So I
felt like that was a little disrespect. But we are
not gonna let k C. If we faith in each other,
we're not gonna let him three.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
P Well, you're not gonna have much say as a
retired wide receipt.
Speaker 6 (25:09):
So spirited debate during the commercial break, I heard the
rock purty. So one of the producers said that brock
perty is like a Toyota Corolla.
Speaker 7 (25:17):
No, I thought that was a little harsh.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Yeah, he's better than that.
Speaker 7 (25:20):
Another one said he was like a BMW three series.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
That's pretty good.
Speaker 7 (25:23):
That's not bad. Another said a base model tesla.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
No, he's better than that.
Speaker 6 (25:29):
The disrespect for Purdy is amazing. And Colin, you know,
narratives changed so quickly. If the Niners had won the
Super Bowl and they were close, right, they dominated that game,
is all of a sudden, the Brock pretty narrative is
totally different, all because Patrick mahomes dolldos.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Here's I like Brock. I've said before I like him.
I think if people are going overboard, but I've said
that for years about Dak who I like people go overboard. Tua,
I like people go overboard. So I would say this clearly,
not anybody could do this because they wanted Trey Lance
to work and it didn't. All right, so not anybody
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can do this, and they got rid of Jimy Garoppolo,
who got to a super Bowl.
Speaker 7 (26:08):
So look at the numbers on the screen. By the way,
just for the record, the numbers matter people now.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
The numbers are sixty nine percent completion percentage, hundred and
thirteen passer ready as a Niner.
Speaker 7 (26:16):
Yeah, if you cover up the wind lost record, come.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
So here here's why. And it's not that I don't
believe in him. I just think people have I feel
like I'm the wet blanket on an inferno of hype.
So here's why you should believe in him. Kurt Warner
was undrafted, made the Hall of Fame. Tony Romo was undrafted,
was excellent. Mark Brunell was like a fifth round guy.
Brady was a sixth round guy. We have a history
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in this league of seventh round and undrafted quarterbacks not
just being good. Kurt Warners were the best I've ever seen.
Tony Rommel was undrafted. We've never had a great seventh
round quarterback. We've had a first, a second, a third,
or fourth to fifth, an undrafted a Sex, Tom Brady.
I think it's fair to say Brock is great seventh
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round quarterback. Now, I don't know, I don't go back
to the fifties, sixty seventies in recent memory, but we've
had you know, I mean, Russell Wilson was a third rounder,
Dack's a fourth rounder, Cousins a fourth rounder, Mark Brunell
later Brady, six undrafted Warner and Romo. I can't recall
a seventh rounder where I was the last guy taken
where I'm like, but I think now you can see
he's not a big guy. That never huge arm. They
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got wet Is Handra a bit smaller. They're not ideal,
but I think what he is with this coach is highly,
highly functional wildly Drew Brees accurate and what the word
is out of San Francisco. Sam Darnold was telling people
this cognitively, He's got a smart mom and dad, I
bet he functions. First of all, I had a ton
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of high school in college starts, so the guy's gotten.
He's played a lot of football. He is working at
warp speed upstairs. You see this with CJ. Stroud.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
C J.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Stroud just sees stuff. I mean he sees the whole field.
C J. Stroud's like boom boom boom. I mean he
throws all over the field. Some of these rookies literally
are just zoned into a guy. So some of these
kids they just see it better and and and they
can let it rip. And I think you can't deny
his ability to quickly read, see and deliver accurately. And
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that's a franchise quarterback.
Speaker 7 (28:14):
Again, He's just gonna have the doubters.
Speaker 6 (28:16):
Because forever, pretty much forever, Listen Brady had doubters.
Speaker 7 (28:19):
After two and three Super Bowls, Colin, there were doubters.
He's a game manager.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Early in the career, there.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Was an article and I forget who could have been
seth with Wickersham And there's so many books written on him,
Jeff Benedict, you and O'Connor, but there was a it
may have been Wickersham where if you if you if
you read this is after five six Super Bowls. They
were like, we think we could have done with with
a lot of guys. So the people that knew him
(28:45):
most closely, the people that Tom Brady had made rich
question him, forget fans and media. So this idea that
we're tough on Brock Party Brady is actually something that
doesn't exist the rest of sports. Underrated as the goat.
He's really there's a big percentage of New England that
(29:07):
was like, I'm telling you, I'm reading these articles in
these books on him, and it New England had this
feeling that, you know, we can duplicate this with several guys,
maybe not the whole league or half the league, but
another five or six guys.
Speaker 6 (29:18):
It's just funny that, like you mentioned Tony Romo as
an undrafted guy, and my first thought was, okay, he
was fine. He at no point was he ever better
than what Rock Party has done already?
Speaker 1 (29:27):
As well, there's not even he was a better athlete.
Speaker 7 (29:31):
He Mark Jackson's a better athlete.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
So and what while Ma Holmes and Josh Allen and
Lamar are great athletes, it matters.
Speaker 6 (29:38):
Wonderful and that's why people love them and don't like
Rock Party because.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
He Tony ever have a Kyle Shanahan.
Speaker 7 (29:45):
Who did Robo ever have a cash?
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (29:47):
I got to go back to his coaching tree.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Did he? It was Jason Garrett, who's fine?
Speaker 7 (29:51):
Garrett? Hey, that guy was a Dolphins and genius right,
they called him the clapper.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
He's fine, has a good job. I'm just saying Jason
was fine. He was a solid, good coach, fine broadcast.
I'm just saying I Kyle and his dad are next level.
Speaker 6 (30:10):
Yeah, I guess we got to banish Rock Party to
what's a what's a crap team? We gotta banish him
to the Saints. Go win with the Saints, take them somewhere,
and then we'll respect you, Brock, because that's.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
What it is.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Some people's journeys are different. So if Joe Burrow had
to carry a terrible owner and O line to a
Super Bowl, Dak got a great O line, the best
running back, Rock Purty arrived in the NFL like Magic Johnson,
with amazing toys everywhere.
Speaker 7 (30:40):
By the way, all those toys, they never want anything.
Shanahan has not won a Super Bowl, so let's not see.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Actually that means Brock perty is not won a Super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (30:47):
Correct, well, we know that, but I'm saying, see, he's
got this great setup, like, okay, great, I love.
Speaker 7 (30:52):
Deebo, Samuel Brandon Ayuka is an all pro once. Sorry
to defend Purty.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Let's move on.
Speaker 6 (30:57):
Let's just move on to Thursday. I have football Dolphins, Bills.
Miami's got some issues. Collin Raheem Moster ruled out with
a chest injury. And Devin h Chan, the real fast
kid who had a bunch of catches very dangerous.
Speaker 7 (31:10):
He's questionable with an ankle on a short week.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Not great.
Speaker 6 (31:14):
Hhan has missed the last two practices. My guess is
they probably hold him out tonight. And then you're looking
at like Jeff Wilson and some rookie.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
It's like it's not great.
Speaker 7 (31:23):
It's not ideal.
Speaker 6 (31:24):
Unfortunately, you know, the Bills are not a great defense,
as we saw Kyler Marie company just run up and
down the field on him. The more I look at this,
like I want the Dolphins, but I think I'm gonna
stay away.
Speaker 7 (31:34):
Yeah, try to watch it.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Neither are these guys plays. I like the Dolphins too,
but if you don't have your top two backs.
Speaker 6 (31:40):
Maybe we can find a prop bet. I'm trying to
think of the Bills secondary. They're down to Ron Johnson.
Speaker 7 (31:44):
Who's who's there?
Speaker 3 (31:45):
XO.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
How About because Miami started so slowly in week one,
how about first half over. Miami will come out fine, sure,
first half over and by the way, Buffalo both teams.
Both teams started very slowly in the first half. So
what's the game plan all week We've got to start better,
We've got to separate. So both teams will play very well,
the Dolphins of Bills. It'll be a little bit of
(32:07):
a shootout in the first half. The offenses will be slick.
Speaker 6 (32:10):
You know what a prop bet is like a first
and last touchdown.
Speaker 7 (32:14):
Trying to nail him.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
I don't do that stuff.
Speaker 6 (32:16):
I got someboddies who we analyze this stuff, and they
actually nailed Alan Lazard for last touchdown against the forty
nine ers for the Jets.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
It was a free play.
Speaker 7 (32:24):
That's a big payday, though all aren't touchdown anyway.
Speaker 6 (32:27):
Let's go to the final story, Colin, and it is
the bungles, the Cincinnati bungles.
Speaker 7 (32:32):
Colin, it is not looking good. T Higgins still hasn't
practiced with the hammy.
Speaker 6 (32:36):
Zach Taylor said Higgins is day to day making progress,
but the lack of practice is concerning. Adam Schefter is
on record saying he would be surprised if t Higgins
suits up for Week two. Somebody's betting on the Bengals.
Here it was six, it's down to five.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
The wise guys love the Bengals.
Speaker 6 (32:53):
I don't know what there is to love. But Joe
Burrow may be bouncing back. They were trying to avoid
the zero to two start, and I know it's one
of your big things.
Speaker 7 (33:01):
Look at the numbers oh and two death sentence. Well
I looked it up, Collins.
Speaker 6 (33:05):
Here's a list, thank you, chat GPT of the teams
that started oh and too and made the playoffs in
the last twenty years. Eleven teams, one of the one
the Super Bowl, the New York Giants in twenty eleven,
and oh, by the way, the twenty twenty two Cincinnati
Bengals started oh.
Speaker 7 (33:20):
To two and made the playoffs. So it can be.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Done if you credit our producers and not chat GBT.
Speaker 7 (33:27):
Well, they only went back a few years.
Speaker 6 (33:29):
I like a little more data than just a few
so I went back twenty years.
Speaker 7 (33:32):
What our producers are phenomenal. I guess you think it's
over If Bengals go oh in too.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
I wouldn't trust chat GBT. They're out there spouting political opinions.
Speaker 7 (33:40):
No, no, I don't ask for politics.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
I just do first ask how Comeal and Trump did
see what it gives you?
Speaker 7 (33:46):
Will? They talk about dogs and cats and I'm just kidding.
People do not send me notes.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
I don't want to hear it.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
James mackquin the news.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The Herd.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
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Speaker 6 (34:47):
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Speaker 1 (35:05):
All right, we call it big Bets. We do it
on Thursday at the end of our second hour, where
we look at the big ten and give you the
bets we feel good about.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
Now.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
I had Nebraska last week rolling over Colorado. That was
probably my favorite bet of the week. So here we go.
Let's give them a little Wisconsin fight song. Camp Randall's
gonna be home for number four Alabama. I'm gonna take
the over forty nine and a half. Alabama's explosive, but
Wisconsin can run the football and Alabama's defense gave up
(35:35):
over two hundred rushing yards last week. I think Alabama
wins this game and pretty comfortably. Tyler Van Dyke's an
interesting quarterback. Came from Miami to Wisconsin. People were really
into him a couple of years ago, but He's played
six games in his career against ranked opponents, seventeen touchdowns,
three picks, so he's competent. Wisconsin will lose. You're gonna
(35:56):
see points. I'll take the over forty nine and a half.
It'll start slow, huish, the points will start coming in
the second half.
Speaker 6 (36:02):
We will not talk about how poor I did last
week in this segment, but I'm going to start off.
Speaker 7 (36:07):
With Wisconsin getting sixteen. It's stupid, it makes no sense.
Speaker 6 (36:11):
Again, this is simply a number grab Colin in the
Summer Vegas line. This game is seven and a half
eight for Alabama, and after two games were at sixteen,
I just have to take on principle the number. I'm
sure Wisconsin will lose and probably get their teeth kicked in.
If this we're at night, I would give Wisconsin a
slightly better chance, right, but I think Alabama wins Wisconsin covers.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
I'm gonna take the Washington Huskies in the Apple Cup,
which has moved up now because they're both not in
the Pac twelve. Over Washington State. I only have to
swallow five. The Huskies have won nine to ten. They've
won sixteen straight home games, which is the second longest
streak to Georgia in the country. Washington State's replacing cam Ward,
who is a remarkable quarterback, and that is a big ask.
(36:52):
Their offense only had about one hundred and fifteen passing
yards last week against Texas Tech, so they're just not
as dynamic. And I think Jed Fish and Washington have
done some nice work on the transfer portal offensively grabbing
some guys from Arizona. I think the Huskies win by
at least a touchdown, all right, I.
Speaker 6 (37:10):
Will Last week I backed Michigan like a buffoon. This
week I'm fading them against Arkansas State. Mighty Arkansas State, Colin.
This is what this is all about. One thing, sandwich
spot last week Texas next week USC.
Speaker 7 (37:22):
For Michigan. You think they're thinking about the Arkansas State.
Are they the Red Wolves still?
Speaker 1 (37:27):
They're Red something?
Speaker 7 (37:28):
Read something?
Speaker 6 (37:29):
Yeah, So I'm fading Michigan. I can't see them getting
margin here. I think more in the offense. Should they
take a two touchdown lead, Let's just power down, Let's
get everybody home safely. We got USC next week and
we cannot lose that game. I don't think this is
a situation where Notre Dame like lost at home, remember
to Northern Illinois. I don't think it's that bad, but
I do think there's a world where Michigan's like fourth
(37:49):
quarter six point game, What the heck?
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Yeah, I think Michigan's going to struggle to score points
all season. Finally, I'm gonna take the over on Maryland
at Virginia. Maryland has a coach that's pretty smart, and
Virginia has been a not only a bad ACC team,
the worst defense in the ACC. Last two seasons, they're
six and sixteen in a bad conference. I think, you know,
Maryland's one of those programs. I think it's always a
(38:12):
little bit better than you think. They're pretty competitive at quarterback.
Usually they've had some good ones. I think it's a
potential blowout, but I think Maryland's dropping thirty five to
forty points in them. So I'll take the over on
fifty seven.
Speaker 7 (38:25):
Wow, Okay.
Speaker 6 (38:26):
I will wrap up with the Iowa Hawkeye. You've called
them the fake ID.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
You used to we graduate, well, not anymore.
Speaker 7 (38:32):
Now it's Dean.
Speaker 6 (38:32):
I know. I feel like they're kind of Dallas Cowboys
ish in big spots, they always come up empty. Last week,
blew the halftime lead, against the rival lose. I think
against a Troy team that's massively going to be overwhelmed here.
This is like thirty three zero. Iowa, like Dallas, loves
to front run and bully around bad teams, and they
always come up empty in big spots.
Speaker 7 (38:53):
So this is not a big spot. Iowa wins the.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Covers, all right, big bets. Nebraska last week was a screamer.
Let's not revisit that. Yeah, that was a screamer. I
actually think I think the over Bama, Wisconsin and the
Huskies are. They're not as good as my Nebraska pick,
but I like them a lot, and I'm just I'm
being on Virginia to be bad again.
Speaker 7 (39:15):
Look at you hitting a total interesting I like it.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
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us as well. I thought it was really interesting listening
(39:43):
to Mark Sanchez yesterday talk about Caleb Williams, and then
listening to Greg co Sell today talk about Caleb Williams.
This is not just some hot take. They are voicing
concerns based on films. Sanchez said yesterday with Caleb, his
head was all over the place on the twenty two film.
He's lost, he doesn't know what he's seeing. He's all
(40:04):
over the place. He's not definitive in his decisions. And
then Greg co Sell saying he's working himself into sacks.
He's too loose in the pocket. We want our quarterbacks
to move into the pocket, not to move into trouble.
You want to move away from trouble. Some of that's
just rookie and experience, but these are Sanchez breaks down
quarterback play. I don't watch every Sports Networks shows. He
(40:27):
does as good a job as anybody at this company
of taking a young quarterback. He's been there and breaking
down and evaluating strengths and weaknesses. Yesterday was like symphonic.
It was a clinic by Sanchez, and Greg co Sell
is saying a lot of the same things. He's creating
his own problems. We talked about this yesterday. There's a
difference between making mistakes we all do we make. I
(40:51):
make a mistake on this show probably every day. Who
something stupid and creating problems? You know, Cleveland Brown, Deshaun
Watson fully guarantees not a mistake. You've created now a
problem for the franchise, the entire locker room. And that's
what they're saying about Caleb Williams. He just not mistakes.
It's like he's creating stuff. So you've got to coach
(41:11):
him out of that. Which the Bears have a defensive
head coach and a defensive culture.
Speaker 6 (41:16):
You think Ibra flu says, hey, let's slow it down,
Let's run the football a lot. The Texans run defense
was weak. They did improve it, there were some holes
in week one. I wonder if we see a rejuvenated
like DeAndre Swift game coming up, or whoever they got
in the back four.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
Well, Roma Dunze and Keenan Allen are both limping. So
my guess is, you know, when somebody is struggling, the
way to solve it is often simplify it, ask less
of the person struggling. So to your point, you're probably right.
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