November 12, 2024 • 40 mins
Colin gives you his Herd Hierarchy ranking the top 10 in the NFL after week 10
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It is a Tuesday, Nick right around the corner. Good
questions we have today for Nick? I think they're good.
I mean, you could be bored to tears, but I
like them. Wherever you may be and however you may
be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day.
That was kind of a dud last night. I'm happy
for Miami. I thought they played a great game, dominated it.
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Rams just went into the tank. They were on a
heater go to go of The Rams schedule gets tough.
Look at the Miami Dolphins schedule gets easier, So it's
good news for them. Jmac. This past week in the
NFL was weird. Underdogs did very very well cross the board.
I had moved into a space the last three weeks
have taken favorite, so I got shellacked this weekend. Have
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you looked at the games this week in the line.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Oh, I haven't.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
I had a brutal week in the contest college football
saving my bacon.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Right now, I'm doing great in college football.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
But yeah, when I have a bad week in the NFL,
I kind of take a step back and go ahead,
let me recalibrate power.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Down for a moment, and then I'll look.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
It's like losing an election just to get off the internet.
Power down, don't time with my family basics. Yeah, that's
how it is for sports guys. We have a bad
weekend betting. All right, it's heard hierarchy time on a Tuesday.
Here we go, heard hierarchy time.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Now go the top ten NFL teams according to College
Number Test.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Listen the Commander's reality struck Jayden Daniels fifty percent completion
percentage only two hundred and forty two yards. They were
the second best team in the field. Even getting a
botched fake punt, they couldn't win. But I think between
coaching and Jaden Daniels, they will somehow sneak into the playoffs.
May not win. I thought this weekend was sort of
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a reality check on what they are a little too
young quarterback. But they are the number three scoring offense.
But now they've lost and the Steelers and the Ravens
and Tampa. When they were healthy, they're about the tenth
best team in the league. Number nine Arizona Cardinals. I've
never trusted them. I sort of kind of do now.
They scored on five straight drives to open the game
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against the Jets, four of them seventy plus yards. They're
patient offensively, and they've really figured out the defense. They
stopped the Chargers offense when they came to town. He
completed seventeen straight passes at one point. I've been saying
all year, I love their weapons. Do I trust the
franchise upstairs ownership, Not really, But I will say in
terms of offensive talent, receiver, tight end, back, tackle, quarterback,
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they're really really good, really really good. That went over
the Niners in Santa Clara was not a flu Number
eight the Niners because Christian McCaffrey's back by an inch.
Over Arizona, five different players had fifty plus receiving yards.
And that's without Brandon Auk the rest of the year,
So they're sprinkling around. Ricky Piersoll's making an impact here Deebo.
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The Jets sweeps don't work as well, but they've got
some nice target George Kittle, by the way, like old
Gronk Kelsey. You think he's gone. No, no, he's not.
They're four and zero when brock Purty doesn't turn it over,
meaning the margins have gotten very thin for them. Kansas
City doesn't have to play perfect to win San Francisco
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kind of does. They got lucky this weekend. Number seven
the Steelers. I was wrong, I admitted. I thought this
organization was tone deaf to offense. They have the number.
They are a great second half team. They are on
a four game winning streak. Russell Wilson has brought the
deep ball back. They don't make mistakes. It's like the Seahawks.
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Light tough at home, physical defense of culture, nice run game,
quarterback that moves and over the top. Now they can
burn you if you don't play them. Honest. I was wrong.
Number two scoring defense. I think this team's a playoff team.
I missed on them. Steelers at seven. Number six a
team that reminds me of a lesser version of the Chiefs.
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The Chargers great coach, great quarterback, good enough offensive line,
little light on weapons, excellent defense. Are they as good
situationally as the Chiefs. Nobody in the world is. But
they have had five plus sacks in three straight games.
It is remarkable. This was the worst defense in the
league last year. Same players. They bring in Jesse Minter
and a new head coach. They've had talent, They've had
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talent for years. Finally Herbert has help. Number five. I'll
give it to the Eagles. They're five to zero since
the buy three straight road wins by twenty plus points.
I think they have the best roster in the league,
better than Detroit because I think three of their best
young players defensively are all kids. They're all you know,
Mitchell the cornerback from Toledo, Jalen Carter, Dean from Georgia.
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This team is stacked. This roster has great players that
are older, great players in their prime Philadelphia and great
young players. I don't think there's any roster as good
as Philadelphia. They're six to zh one. A. J. Brown
plays Philadelphia Eagles at number five, number four the Ravens.
Here's what I love about their story. Remember the Lamar
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can't pass in the pocket wrong, Lamar can't play from
behind yeah. They have three wins this year, trailing by
ten plus points. Their issue is they are so bad
in the secondary that they can outplay you remember the
Raiders came from behind to beat them. This team is
so bad on the back end. You don't have to
be great everywhere in the NFL. You can't be terrible anywhere.
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You saw last night the Rams Corners. They have to
draft one in the first second, third round, first third.
They don't have a second round pick, but Baltimore. I
love the growth of Lamar. I love them offensively, but
that back end is an issue. I have them at four.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Number three the.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Lions by an inch, seven game winning streak. Jared Goff
is having the season for all seasons. Actually, I don't
love or trust their defense, but on third down their
defense is excellent, only allowing a thirty one percent conversion rate.
They played poorly and one on the road on Sunday
Night Football. I think I respect them now more than ever,
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but I don't necessarily trust them situationally as much as
I do with Kansas City. Team Number two the Bills. Now,
they're all banged up, a wide receiver. I think Kansas
City's gonna beat them this weekend, but they lead the
NFL and plus thirteen turnover differential. That's come back when healthy.
I like their receiving core. Don't love it, but I
like it now. Amari Cooper, Keon Coleman, Dalton Kin Kaid
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may not play for Kansas City. That spells trouble. But
I think this is the best version of Buffalo. Doesn't
mean they're going to beat the Chiefs, but it's the
best version of it. Not as much reckless, more balance offensively,
still well coached defensively, number one, fifteen game winning streak
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dating back to last season. I think it's the best
third down offense. It's the best situational team since the
Brady Belichick Bucks. I think they're actually a little better
at wide receiver than anybody wants to admit. D Hop,
Juju Smith, Schuster, Travis Kelcey, Kareem Hunt can catch out
of the backfield. Isaiah Cheko's coming back. So I think
the offense. I mean, if they had Rashi Rice right now,
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they wouldn't have d Hop, and I think they'd be fine.
They're a little better at receiver than last year, in
the year before. I don't think it's an emergency, but
I also think all those young defensive players now are
a bit older and wiser. I think it's the best
team in the league. Their defense is not allowed a
single point when trailing in the fourth quarter of this season.
So when you're great, sometimes it's hard to stay focused.
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But when you need their defense to be great, and
when you need them to block a kick, and when
you need a goal line stand, they are off the charts.
There is our heard hierarchy Green Bay. I have an eleven.
Didn't watch them play, moved them back. I like what
I saw with the Commanders, and with that Nick right
now calls first things first, joins us live all right.
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I always say, peruse that top ten, anything that stands
out to you.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
Top of the tiers spot on. I like the one, two, three,
four exactly. I have some concerns about the Ravens. We
can get into later. The Eagles have really impressed me,
and the Chargers like they don't have any great wins,
but you can see what they're building.
Speaker 6 (08:44):
Here's my only beef.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
I think the Vikings and the Packers are better than
San Francisco. I'm not sure why I'm supposed to believe
San Francisco is anything close to what it was yeh
last season or the season before. And I know this
isn't the point of the tiers, but Colin, if you
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look at what the Cardinals have left and what the
Niners have left, I'm starting to think I was with
the Rams, but the loss last night was so devastating
they might be in too.
Speaker 6 (09:18):
Big of a hole.
Speaker 5 (09:19):
I think the Cardinals might be incredibly well positioned to
win that division, and I'll call the shot right now.
Week eighteen, Sunday Night football final game of the NFL season,
I think is going to be Niners Cardinals with the
NFC West on the line, where the lose winner wins
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the division and the loser misses the playoffs entirely. And
I think the Niners could be on the outside looking in.
I was not impressed by what they did this past weekend,
and I don't think the defense is going to be
able to overcome some of the offensive injuries.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Yeah, no, you're right. I think part of me is
it's confirmation bias. I want them to be good. I've
loved them for years.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
They're supposed to be good. They got a great coach,
The party has played. Party played well this week, Like
my lack of impressiveness.
Speaker 6 (10:12):
This week is not about party. The throat to Kittle
was great.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
I just and I don't love the debo thing, like
here's I, here's I am not of the belief that,
you know, always keep your hands to yourself, never, But
like different workplaces, at different standards, people are like, oh
my god, can you imagine if you did this at Kinko's.
They don't work at Kinkos, they work in the NFL.
But the problem to me with the Deebo thing is
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the imbalance of power. If you're gonna hit somebody at work,
they've got to be allowed to hit you back. Like
if you punch Jmax, so be it. He can punch
you back. If you punch an interurn, it's a problem
because the andron is not allowed to hit you back. Yeah,
you can't fight the kicker and long snapper when you're
one of the highest paid guys on the team because
they're not allowed to hit you back. So I thought
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that was kind of a bad vibe sign. I didn't
like that either.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Yeah, I've never done that to an intern and never
considered it, but thanks for planning it.
Speaker 5 (11:06):
You know, no you've thought about hitting J Mac though,
but you know, he's got that gun show ready. He's
you're right back, so it'd be fair.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Yeah. So I was saying this. I sometimes it's fun
to be really wrong, and I said, for three years,
four years, I love Mike Tomlin, but their tone deft offense. Suddenly,
to his credit, this is the advantage of having an
experienced Super Bowl winning coach with a big salary. He
benched justin fields with a winning record and said, just
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a gun instinct can't do that. If you're a rookie
head coach, you get a lot of heat. He's like, guys,
this is why I'm well compensated and I'm wrong, and
I think we both are to some degree. Russell I
said this yesterday. Everybody's clean that Aaron still got it
because he's cool. He doesn't. Everybody pushed Russell out the
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door because he's not cool. And I'm watching him. Nick,
he's got the deep ball back.
Speaker 6 (12:00):
I'm sorry, but well, yeah, that moon ball's back.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
It is.
Speaker 6 (12:03):
He's not taken as many sacks.
Speaker 5 (12:05):
No, they're playing from a script they're comfortable with. If
they hadn't, you know, attempted to execute one of the
most asenine fake punts i've ever seen in a game.
They were totally controlling. You know, I think they could
have blown out Washington, and Washington's a good team, So yeah,
I mean, I thought Russell Wilson was totally cooked. And
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he's now playing I think better than he played obviously
in Denver, but either year, but I think arguably better
than he played his final year in Seattle, and that
is shocking to me.
Speaker 6 (12:43):
Now.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
The only trepidation I have with Pittsburgh is I know
America knows they have a tough remaining schedule.
Speaker 6 (12:51):
I don't know if they understand what it actually is.
They have eight.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
Games left, it is all six divisional games, and the
two other games are the Eagles and the Chiefs. So
that is as absolutely murderous of a final eight. And
I know the Browns are no good and the Bengals
have struggled, but AFC North divisional games are always tough.
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Steelers Browns games are tough, yep, and the Bengals offense
is going to.
Speaker 6 (13:19):
Be a lot to deal with.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
But because of that, it was incumbent upon them to
get out to this awesome start and they did it.
And so like the Russell Wilson George Pickens, combo that
has been unlocked.
Speaker 6 (13:34):
Pickens, who's, you know, kind.
Speaker 5 (13:36):
Of a bit of a personality issue at times, was
not happy with Fields. He's been happier with Russ And
you've got to give them credit. And if they can
split with Baltimore, which I would expect them to do,
then you've got to say they're the favorite to win
that division even with that brutal schedule.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
So I'm gonna throw this at you with Caleb Williams
because they butcher Justin Fields and Mitch Trubisky, they didn't work.
And I'm not blaming all on the staff that Caleb Williams,
because he was a higher prospect, has to work. So
there is no argument here. It doesn't matter if he's
struggling that it does matter also that Bo Nixon, Jaden
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Daniel look terrific, and that there's so many things working here.
Man Hasselbig said yesterday most of these sacks are on Caleb,
whether they are or not. I'm not an NFL quarterback
or former one. Is there a singular thing that that
that I heard this yesterday from somebody I trust, Nick
in the league. He said, Colin, I'm not there's stuff
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here that I'm not sure is correctible. Is there any
part of you that thinks the coach is irrelevant? He'll
just never be Jaden Daniels and he's he's just not That's.
Speaker 6 (14:54):
No, I'm not so that I think is.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
I'm I'm shocked at the whiplash some have had on
their Caleb Williams opinion. Listen, if you didn't love him
coming out of college, if you were like, hey, he's
overrated as a prospect, it won't translate. And what you're
seeing right now, you're like, I told you so, so
be it bully for you. But if you are in
the generic you I'm talking in the vast majority of
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people who all agreed he was the number one player
in this draft, the number one quarterback, and after nine games,
three of which he was excellent in the middle, you're like,
I've changed my opinion. Then, with respect, I don't value
your draft opinions ever again. Moving forward, if like, what
is the point of watching college football scouting these players?
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If half a season of football, You're like, Nope, I've
changed my mind. Now are there some concerning signs? Sure,
but I'm going to tell you everyone's pointing to the
sacks and the off target throws and how much is
on the all line, how much is on Caleb. I'm
going to give you a stat no one's pointing out
that I think is the biggest indicator that the coaching
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was bad and got in his head in these last
three games, which have been the worst three games stretch
of football he's probably ever played in his life, certainly
his worst three games stretch in the pros. Do you
know how many interceptions he's thrown? Zero he has in
these PFF hasn't graded as in these three games one
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big time throw and zero turnover worthy plays.
Speaker 6 (16:31):
So what does that tell me?
Speaker 5 (16:33):
The coaches coached the aggressiveness out of him Peyton Manning
rookie or what he throwed twenty eight picks to go
along with toy was I was.
Speaker 6 (16:42):
A bunch of boom, a bunch of busts. He was learning.
Speaker 5 (16:45):
What is so concerning to me about the last few
games is he's refusing to trust what he's seeing. He's
refusing to throw the ball down the field. He's refusing
to take chances. You've got to take chances. And so
that to me is why Yet Caleb needs to play better.
He needs to be more accurate. This is clearly some
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of this is on him. But I would feel better
Colin if he had thrown six picks the last three weeks,
then zero zero. When you're struggling and not turning the
ball over, when you are not a game manager quarterback,
you're an explosive, big play quarterback.
Speaker 6 (17:25):
That to me means you are being told.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
Take care of the ball, trust the defense, take care
of the ball. And now he's playing slow and not
believing what he's seeing. So that I think moving on
from Waldron was smart, and I think they're gonna have
an offensive head coach next year.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
So it's interesting if I said to you, hey, let's
go on a guy trip, but one of the guys
you're paying if a poker trip with you would have
to be forget. If I go rafting trip, you'd go poker,
you'd win. But if I said to you one of
the guys is really moody, holds grudges and you got
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to kind of see it his way, you'd be like,
that's not a good hang. It's a little bit what
you were hearing with Aaron in Green Bay and Boomer
asiasin Popular New York radio Guy had this to say
yesterday about Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 7 (18:19):
It's an unmitigated disaster. Aaron Rodgers has completely sucked the
air out of the building. He is a first ballot
Hall of Fame player, one of the great quarterbacks when
he was in his prime that we have ever seen.
Since he has come here over the last few years,
every player on this team I feel like has deferred.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Everything to him.
Speaker 7 (18:37):
Russell Wilson said something about Mike Williams yesterday, and it
was being reported during the game that when Mike Williams
showed up to Pittsburgh, he showed up with such a
big smile and he was so happy, like he was
so unencumbered by playing for the Jets and with the
Jets and with Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
And I ask you, this was the Green Bay issue, everybody,
he was walking on eggshells. It is now the New
York issue. You're watching Kyler Murray look like a different
sport against him. You've watched bow Nicks beat him, you
watch mahomes Lamar Herbert. If you're the Jets, is it
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under consideration you move off him?
Speaker 5 (19:21):
So I don't think it's under consideration. I think it's
the only possible option.
Speaker 6 (19:27):
The I mean, I don't he will be after this season.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
He will be a forty one year old quarterback that
is coming off the three worst seasons of his career.
Call it two if we're not going to count the
year he lost the Achilles fine, the year in Green
Bay was terrible, a lost season due to injury, this disaster.
He is the worst leader in all of sports. He
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is only best I can tell, somewhat interested in football,
and only if he can play with his old and
family he is.
Speaker 6 (20:02):
There would be.
Speaker 5 (20:03):
No reason whatsoever to bring him back. And if you're listen,
I have been to Jet fans think I've been hating
on them all year. I've just been impeccably accurate every
step of the way all year, which sounds like hating
when you're a train wrecked team and franchise.
Speaker 6 (20:20):
But I have some good news. Listen.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
One of the knock on effects of last Tuesday's election
is Woody Johnson is about to get another cushy post overseas,
so the Jets have an opportunity to go from Woody
to Christopher Johnson. So you move out, at least temporarily
arguably the worst owner in the league. Move on from Aaron,
totally new coaching staff, totally new front office, and say
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we have Quinn Williams, Sauce Gardner who needs to play better,
Garrett Wilson, Quincy Williams to build around, and we're going
to draft a quarterback. That's what they need to do.
It's the only option that makes sense. And I don't
know what team out there would want to sign up
for Aaron Rodgers if the Jets move on. And I
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know we're short on time, but let me throw this
at you, Colin. If this is how it ends for Aaron,
I'm trying to go through the list of the ten
best quarterbacks in NFL history.
Speaker 6 (21:17):
In my head.
Speaker 5 (21:19):
None of them saw it end like this, because for
Aaron it would mean his last three years went missed
the playoffs, lost the season to injury, failed expectations, missed
the playoffs, flamed out in spectacular fashion.
Speaker 6 (21:35):
Think about everyone else.
Speaker 5 (21:37):
Tom made the playoffs every year in Tampa, won a
Super Bowl as third to last year or his fourth
the last year in the league. Peyton wasn't great his
final year but won the Super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (21:47):
Made the playoffs every year.
Speaker 5 (21:48):
Joe, Montana and Kansas City made the playoffs both years,
made an NFC champion AFC Championship Game. Second last year,
Farv his second to last season, the one with the
Vikings almost one MVP won the NFC Championship l way
back to back Super Bowls. Breeze was in the playoffs
every year. Hell Big Ben thought his career was over,
did a victory lap. They still made the playoffs. He
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got in there, Like go even find the guy who
is a Aikman and young were still really good careers
shortened had to quit do the concussions and injuries. Who
is the legendary quarterback who for the final three years
of his career was in the wilderness.
Speaker 6 (22:29):
There isn't one.
Speaker 5 (22:30):
I mean, damn Philip Rivers made the playoffs with the
Colts at the end, Like there is not a precedent
in this league for any of the legends, and I
left some of them out, but they all qualify where
the final three seasons of their career they're on bad
teams or not playing relevant football. So that's a weird
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button to the Aaron Rodgers story.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
I agree, another win for the Kansas City Chiefs a
half man and I like him to beat him hard.
Well it is it's become very good. Take there. It
is hard to beat them. That has been hard to
beat him. Good to see Anyboddy nick.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
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Speaker 1 (23:18):
Jim Harbaugh was saying this weekend, he's got a new
name for Justin Herbert, half man, half beast. But what
is interesting about Jim Harbaugh not only that he's turned
around the Chargers overnight, but that he was available for
two years. The year before the Chargers hired him, he
interviewed Minnesota and he made it very clear as the
NCAA was coming around the program like He's like, hey,
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I'm available, and nobody hired him. And go look at
the NFL draft order right now. The top nine teams
Jacksonville Giants, Tennessee, Cleveland, Vegas, New England, New Orleans Jets, Carolina,
nobody hired the star coach. None of them. Nobody went
star coach. Now. I like some of the coaches currently
in these spots because there are good young guys. But
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Mike Rabel's on the market. Didn't get a call this year.
Belichick is on the market as well. And if you
hire those guys, Belichick and Rabel experience, big game experience,
you get toughness, resilience, and get you know, you have
an identity with those two guys. But it's interesting what
Harbaugh's done. The right coach can save players. So he
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saved Quentin Johnston. So that was the number one pick
the year before at wide receiver bust this year. I
don't know if he's a great player, but he's a
good deep threat. He's a big body, got speed. They're
using him. So getting a star coach, when you get
a young coach like McVeigh, one out of six young
hot shots work. McVeigh did, Shanahan did, Kevin O'Connell has
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one out of about six if you go the last
ten years work. Most don't, but there is. Jim Harbaugh
is a great reminder. There is very little great in
any industry. It can be tech, law, football, coaching. You
get what you pay for, and in the air is
when you do pay for Sean Payton or you do
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pay for Andy Reid or Jim Harbaugh. It empowers the coach.
They're allowed, you know, it lets them cook. They can
move up. Mike Tomlin because of his salary, his gravitas
and his ring can move off. Justin fields, You're not
gonna get any pushback from the locker room. A young
coach could. I mean, Shane Steichen's a great coach. He
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pulled out Anthony Richardson. Not everybody liked it, and he's
a brilliant young coach. So spend the money on Rabel
and Belichick And I'm I don't like Belichick. If he
wants any personnel control, then I wouldn't hire him. But
what Harbaugh's done, He's saved Quinton Johnson, he is I mean,
he's changed the culture of the football team. They're getting
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They're the old guys that you didn't know if they
were really worth it, like a Derwin James or a
Khalil Mack. You're like, yeah, they're great again. So you know,
Harbaugh was on the market for two years. I go
could have had him. No, no, Chicago could have had
Cliff Kingsbery. No, no, no, I want as a coordinator,
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but you know, you get what you pay for. Sean Payton,
look at them improved. By the way, if you asked
me today, who would be my three finalists for NFL
Coach of the Year. I'd have Hardball one. I'd probably
have Mike Tomlin number two, and I'd have Dan Quinn
veteran been to a super Bowl, number three. I know
y'all want the hot shot, but there is value in
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paying the guy big money, experience, big game stuff. I
remember when Mike Tomlin made me. Remember when he replaced
fields with Russell Wilson and people asked him about the decision,
your boldest decisions to go with three.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
That's why I'm well compensated.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
That's right. You're not gonna get a young coach saying
that Mike gets away with it, not only gets away
with it, leans into it, and everybody in the room
gets it. J Mack with the.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
News No No is the herd line news.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Despite the loss to Pittsburgh, Colin Jadon Daniels has had
a tremendous rookie season, much better than Lamar Jackson's rookie season. Obviously,
the two get compared to one another a lot well.
Mike Tomlin was asked about the similarities between Jadon Daniels
and Lamar Jackson, and he said, everybody pump the brakes.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
It'd be real slow. Compare people to Lamar Jackson. That's
a multi time MVP. That's mister Jackson. We'll see mister
Jackson in a few days.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Now. Jadon Daniels have some qualities of Lamar Jackson, but
there is no other Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Yeah, it's interesting. Jadon Daniels a lot older than Lamar
was when he broke into the league. Jane Daniels is
gonna be twenty four here soon, and we got some
numbers for you on the screen. You know, listen through
first ten starts, Jaydon Daniels seven and three, he's been tremendous.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
He's offensive Rookie.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Of the Year.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Ryan bo Nix has been okay, but it's got to
be Jayden.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Right and Lamar obviously started well with Baltimore. Remember he
was exclusively a runner in his first You remember that
first year he came on I think midway through the
season that week eleven, Yeah, went on a tear and
then they had the playoff game, which was like a
rematch from the week prior against I think the Chargers, yep,
it was, and they were like, oh, he can't throw
the football. Yeah, Lamar's has improved a lot. I don't
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think it's wrong to say Jayden Daniels has a lot
of Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
No, I don't know that. That's what we said before
the draft. We said he's a little Lamar light. He's
not as nobody's ever been as explosive as Lamar. He's
a little ahead of Lamar in the pocket at this point,
oh in Lamar's career, but he's not nearly the runner
Lamar was. But I listen to bet your comp in
the NFL, you're doing just fine.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Oh heck you.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
And also I think one of the things both of
these young men have work ethic, loved in the locker room,
loved by their coaches, all in, no distractions, laser focus,
they do all the quarterback intangible stuff right, which fans
don't want to talk about.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Well, Lamar is past the distraction.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
Remember his like mom went his agent, Okay, I wouldn't
do that, that distraction.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
That was well, he wasn't like two months on it
on the show, but he hadn't played yet. That wasn't
an issue.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
Well when he was lobbying for that, remember there was
chatter that he wanted a fully guaranteed deal after de
Shawn and it was a little noisy and got ugly.
I was clamoring for the Jets go all in, try
to steal Lamar because we just started the show together.
I was begging the Jets and banded up with who they.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Oh, Aaron Rogers.
Speaker 7 (29:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
Next story is let's stick with with the Commanders. They've
been one of the surprise teams of the season, but
did blow a ten point third quarter lead against the
Steelers on Sunday. Dad Quinn believes his team has a
chance to show how they respond to adversity.
Speaker 8 (29:45):
This was a hard loss, no doubt about it, Nikki,
and their response is what was so important. So what
I saw on the field last night, towards the end
in the locker room of guys talking to one another,
they were matt and that's what I honestly wanted to
see on these missed opportunities to say, how do we
make sure that doesn't happen again?
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Do we need an amendment to your hat backwards? Because
he's got the full gray goateee, I feel like you can.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
My hat backwards only is for quarterbacks on Wednesday at
the big Wednesday presser. I don't care if anybody else
wears it.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
So I think.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
I think Washington's competitive this week. But in Philadelphia to
me is the side.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Well, Philadelphia's roster is complete, Washington still needs another draft.
Their back ends bad even with Lantimore, they need help
in the back end. OH line needs a little upgrading.
They still have a long way. They need somebody. Terry
mclaurin's great, but Washington Jaden Daniels is making you think
they've arrived. When you watch that game against Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh
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had double the yards, double yards per play. Jayden completed
fifty percent of his throws. If it wasn't for us
literally an absurd fake punt botch and fumbling at the one,
Pittsburgh was absolutely the better team.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Yeah, I just I watch why.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
I don't think they're that far behind Pittsburgh and Philadelphia.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
You think they are roster wise, they're not close to Philadelpha.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
No, No, definitely roster wise, but we know that, Like
Jalen Hurts had a little regression last week early against Dallas,
and they rebound and they were fine.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
So I guess you're on the Eagles Thursday at minus
three and a half.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
It's a stay away game for me. I think they'll win,
but I think that when you do these things like
the Detroit Lions, where you play perfect football for four
or five weeks. Kansas City, you know, like, I know
they're pros, but Detroit played literally flawless football for a month.
They were not ready to play in the first half.
The Rams had had three wins. They were not ready
(31:44):
to play in the first half. Philadelphia on a short week.
Where's the game at? Is it at Philly in Philly? Yeah?
I take Philly to win. But there's a reason. There's
a hook there. Three and a half.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
Yeah, it's also the rookie quarterback on Thursday night, like
a disruptive week after a tough loss, two tough opponents
in a row for Washington, I'm still not bailing on Daniels.
I know a lot of people are, Oh, finally NBA
story Colin to wrap things up.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
And that's because.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Joelle Embiid it making his much anticipated tam You tonight
against the New York Knickerbockers.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
Joel Embiid surches three game suspension for an altercation with
a reporter. By the way, we never got video of that.
I guess there isn't video of it.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
This is actually a good NBA game. Oh, it's a
great Maxie's not playing.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
And also it's the in season tournament, which has been
renamed the NBA Cup.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Yeah, so you know, if if you're into I like that.
Last year I thought it was it was fun. I'm
the new the court rall.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
And like you said, no Tyrese Maxi. Paul George has
been a little shall we say slow on the uptick
in Philly. He had a brutal Sunday. He's, oh gosh,
he's shooting thirty eight percent.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
But we get a U.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
I think this is a national TV.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Game, right, Nick Sixers should beat against Kat and Brunson.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
I don't see a line there. I'm you're not.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Betting on NBA. Not no, not now. I'll tell you.
If you're gonna bet, just bet on Cleveland. They're red hot.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Are we gonna do cat on the show? Are we
gonna get any mentions to them?
Speaker 3 (33:07):
Or well?
Speaker 1 (33:07):
It is November, you know, and we just did it.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
They're twelve and oh show them.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Some respective Rockets had a twenty two game winning streak
about twelve years ago, one and done in the playoffs.
If I recall NBA regular season winning streaks, don't mean
anything right now. For instance, the Warriors are hot. They're
playing twelve guys, so their energy they number one in rebounding.
Their defense looks great. Why because their energy is through
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the roof. Because they're playing twelve guys. That doesn't matter.
In the playoffs, everybody shrinks their rotation to like eight dudes,
maybe nine. Everybody's playing with the same energy. Everybody's equally arrested.
So Golden State is built. For the regular season, play
twelve guys, everybody's fresh. Everybody contributes, I mean literally, They're
rebounding is number one in the league. Why because their
(33:58):
efforts insane. They're just hustling and getting rebounds. That doesn't matter,
no regular season wins. Who did you play? The bottom
of the NBA is weak. You go on one of
these six game roadies, you play five dogs.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
What's weak or bottom of the NFL? Which you showed
the draft order? I mean, there's like not bad. By
the way back to the NFL. They're gonna have to
adjust some of these prime time games late in the
season because some of these teams are you can't put
them in print time.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Jason, there's only two teams in the East with a
winning records again, the East is terrible. J Mack with
a news.
Speaker 4 (34:34):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd line.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
The Cavs slam the East, so they have a winning record,
and the Celtics play in the East a pretty good team.
Everything else after that is up for debate. That I
still contend you brought this up. There's a rumer out
there the Knicks want to get Yannis and they got
Cat to get Yannis. I think that's true. That's fascinating.
You're not beating Boston with Jalen Brunson as your best player.
(35:00):
He's got to be your two. I know you love that,
but if Derek White's my fourth and fifth best player
in Brunson, you're one. I'm winning the series.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
This is my problem. I'm embracing underdogs all around it.
One Hunderdogs are just getting their teeth kicked in in
literally everything every sport.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Except the NFL, action except the NFL. This weekend it
was an underdog weekend.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
H I mean, just crazy stretch.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Okay, nine of the twelve cav wins had been versus
the East.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
So they're getting fat and happy off on the.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Garbage bad East team. So NBA. Remember the Rockets winning
streak few years remember that was like ten twelve years ago.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Was James Harden?
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Yeah, they were on twenty two straight. Every He's like, well,
I think it was Harden, but it was like it
meant nothing in the playoffs, meant nothing.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
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Speaker 3 (35:49):
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Speaker 2 (35:57):
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Speaker 1 (36:00):
Put a game in your area. By the way, the
staff says, I was right, twenty two game winning Street Rockets.
They lost in the first round, but it was the
TM MAC team, not the James Harden team, and it
was longer ago than I thought. I remember they went
on this big winning streak. People freaked out and I
meant nothing in the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
How good was t Mac back in the day?
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Coward?
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Come on, I love that guy.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
I remember my favorite player for a while.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
Really.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
I loved his game inside outside dunks, talking trash, you're.
Speaker 7 (36:25):
Not a fan.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
He was okay. I saw him one time at a cafeteria.
It's like, you don't like me, I said, like him,
I said, I like you. I think you're a nice guy.
I don't love your game. Is this as a player
or no? He was a post. I like he's a
nice guy. I just didn't think he want enough. Some
guys are spectacted or I won't win.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Well, not everybody can win.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
That's what I like. I like winners. You'd like stats.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Dan Marino didn't win. You don't like him.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
He's not one of my top five quarterbacks. He didn't
win enough. Well, I mean honestly, Like it's it's like
Nick Wright said, what are we gonna do with Aaron?
Speaker 5 (36:55):
What do you mean? How many?
Speaker 2 (36:56):
How many?
Speaker 1 (36:56):
All the time? I'll take Drew Brees over Aaron Rodgers
any day and twice on some Why because he's more
consistent at the very end he was good.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
Well, how do you quantify consistent?
Speaker 7 (37:05):
Though?
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Like, I don't think he has any many stats?
Speaker 1 (37:08):
A Dray Breese owns about thirty percent of the record book.
That's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
So he's a compil So you like compilers.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
No, I like a guy that took over the worst
franchise in the league in the first year they made
the playoffs. A guy that's a fox hole guy, a
ball or not a Bayler.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Oh you hear that?
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Eron never had to walk on eggshells around Drew Brees
never had to walk on eggs shells.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
The rudership, I mean, he checks all the boxes. Aaron
Rodgers is not.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
Well, it's kind of important. Okay, So here's the current.
After Miami's big win last night, here's the current. Let's
give everybody a look at the playoff picture. So in
the AFC, you know, I think a lot of us
you know, it's Chiefs, Bills, Steelers, Texans. I was totally
wrong on the Steelers wild Card. It's Ravens. I still
think they win the division, Ravens, Chargers, Denver. I feel
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pretty good about where I felt about those teams in
the hunt. The Coults are a mess of the Bengals Miami.
I thought that game for Miami is going to ignite something.
So I think it's the playoffs are going to look
a little like that. I think Miami's fighting to the
last weekend to get in. They looked really good last
night in the NFC. We'll put that up for the audience.
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NFC I thought going into the season, I wasn't as sure,
but we all kind of like Detroit. I had Philadelphia,
so so Arizona is the big surprise in the NFC.
I still think the Rams and the Niners will have
a say. The Vikings are better than everybody thought outside
of Minneapolis. Washington. I had as a wildcard team Green Bay.
So I think it's about seventy five percent of this league.
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Seventy five percent of the teams that are division leaders
are wildcard. Most people, myself included, thought what are the
big surprises? Minnesota is a big surprise in Washington, I
guess Arizona is God. I like their players and the AFC,
what's the big surprise? We thought Cincinnati would be better.
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Cincinnati's great, just offensively, they're great.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Pittsburgh, right, Pittsburgh has to be the big surprise.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Well, I know, I no.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
I think there's season winter like and seven.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
And a half.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
I think Denver's the surprise. People thought Denver, yourself included,
you thought Denver is gonna stink.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
Listen, they're only five and five. Let's let's let's not
go overboard.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
That's five hundred.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
They could easily end up seven and ten, and everybody's like,
oh yeah, that's what we thought.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
Pittsburgh is the Shocker.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
Remember remember when I was like, Hey, they're going nowhere
fast trade TJ Watt start over.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
Steelers fans have not forgotten that shocker.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
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listening to Fox Sports Radio. Here we go, it's hour two.
It is a Tuesday, Nick right around the corner. Good
questions we have today for Nick? I think they're good.
I mean, you could be bored to tears, but I
like them. Wherever you may be and however you may
be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day.
That was kind of a dud last night. I'm happy
for Miami. I thought they played a great game, dominated it.
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Rams just went into the tank. They were on a
heater go to go of The Rams schedule gets tough.
Look at the Miami Dolphins schedule gets easier, So it's
good news for them. Jmac. This past week in the
NFL was weird. Underdogs did very very well cross the board.
I had moved into a space the last three weeks
have taken favorite, so I got shellacked this weekend. Have
(01:06):
you looked at the games this week in the line.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Oh, I haven't.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
I had a brutal week in the contest college football
saving my bacon.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Right now, I'm doing great in college football.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
But yeah, when I have a bad week in the NFL,
I kind of take a step back and go ahead,
let me recalibrate power.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Down for a moment, and then I'll look.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
It's like losing an election just to get off the internet.
Power down, don't time with my family basics. Yeah, that's
how it is for sports guys. We have a bad
weekend betting. All right, it's heard hierarchy time on a Tuesday.
Here we go, heard hierarchy time.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Now go the top ten NFL teams according to College
Number Test.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Listen the Commander's reality struck Jayden Daniels fifty percent completion
percentage only two hundred and forty two yards. They were
the second best team in the field. Even getting a
botched fake punt, they couldn't win. But I think between
coaching and Jaden Daniels, they will somehow sneak into the playoffs.
May not win. I thought this weekend was sort of
(02:08):
a reality check on what they are a little too
young quarterback. But they are the number three scoring offense.
But now they've lost and the Steelers and the Ravens
and Tampa. When they were healthy, they're about the tenth
best team in the league. Number nine Arizona Cardinals. I've
never trusted them. I sort of kind of do now.
They scored on five straight drives to open the game
(02:29):
against the Jets, four of them seventy plus yards. They're
patient offensively, and they've really figured out the defense. They
stopped the Chargers offense when they came to town. He
completed seventeen straight passes at one point. I've been saying
all year, I love their weapons. Do I trust the
franchise upstairs ownership, Not really, But I will say in
terms of offensive talent, receiver, tight end, back, tackle, quarterback,
(02:53):
they're really really good, really really good. That went over
the Niners in Santa Clara was not a flu Number
eight the Niners because Christian McCaffrey's back by an inch.
Over Arizona, five different players had fifty plus receiving yards.
And that's without Brandon Auk the rest of the year,
So they're sprinkling around. Ricky Piersoll's making an impact here Deebo.
(03:15):
The Jets sweeps don't work as well, but they've got
some nice target George Kittle, by the way, like old
Gronk Kelsey. You think he's gone. No, no, he's not.
They're four and zero when brock Purty doesn't turn it over,
meaning the margins have gotten very thin for them. Kansas
City doesn't have to play perfect to win San Francisco
(03:36):
kind of does. They got lucky this weekend. Number seven
the Steelers. I was wrong, I admitted. I thought this
organization was tone deaf to offense. They have the number.
They are a great second half team. They are on
a four game winning streak. Russell Wilson has brought the
deep ball back. They don't make mistakes. It's like the Seahawks.
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Light tough at home, physical defense of culture, nice run game,
quarterback that moves and over the top. Now they can
burn you if you don't play them. Honest. I was wrong.
Number two scoring defense. I think this team's a playoff team.
I missed on them. Steelers at seven. Number six a
team that reminds me of a lesser version of the Chiefs.
(04:20):
The Chargers great coach, great quarterback, good enough offensive line,
little light on weapons, excellent defense. Are they as good
situationally as the Chiefs. Nobody in the world is. But
they have had five plus sacks in three straight games.
It is remarkable. This was the worst defense in the
league last year. Same players. They bring in Jesse Minter
and a new head coach. They've had talent, They've had
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talent for years. Finally Herbert has help. Number five. I'll
give it to the Eagles. They're five to zero since
the buy three straight road wins by twenty plus points.
I think they have the best roster in the league,
better than Detroit because I think three of their best
young players defensively are all kids. They're all you know,
Mitchell the cornerback from Toledo, Jalen Carter, Dean from Georgia.
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This team is stacked. This roster has great players that
are older, great players in their prime Philadelphia and great
young players. I don't think there's any roster as good
as Philadelphia. They're six to zh one. A. J. Brown
plays Philadelphia Eagles at number five, number four the Ravens.
Here's what I love about their story. Remember the Lamar
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can't pass in the pocket wrong, Lamar can't play from
behind yeah. They have three wins this year, trailing by
ten plus points. Their issue is they are so bad
in the secondary that they can outplay you remember the
Raiders came from behind to beat them. This team is
so bad on the back end. You don't have to
be great everywhere in the NFL. You can't be terrible anywhere.
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You saw last night the Rams Corners. They have to
draft one in the first second, third round, first third.
They don't have a second round pick, but Baltimore. I
love the growth of Lamar. I love them offensively, but
that back end is an issue. I have them at four.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Number three the.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Lions by an inch, seven game winning streak. Jared Goff
is having the season for all seasons. Actually, I don't
love or trust their defense, but on third down their
defense is excellent, only allowing a thirty one percent conversion rate.
They played poorly and one on the road on Sunday
Night Football. I think I respect them now more than ever,
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but I don't necessarily trust them situationally as much as
I do with Kansas City. Team Number two the Bills. Now,
they're all banged up, a wide receiver. I think Kansas
City's gonna beat them this weekend, but they lead the
NFL and plus thirteen turnover differential. That's come back when healthy.
I like their receiving core. Don't love it, but I
like it now. Amari Cooper, Keon Coleman, Dalton Kin Kaid
(06:55):
may not play for Kansas City. That spells trouble. But
I think this is the best version of Buffalo. Doesn't
mean they're going to beat the Chiefs, but it's the
best version of it. Not as much reckless, more balance offensively,
still well coached defensively, number one, fifteen game winning streak
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dating back to last season. I think it's the best
third down offense. It's the best situational team since the
Brady Belichick Bucks. I think they're actually a little better
at wide receiver than anybody wants to admit. D Hop,
Juju Smith, Schuster, Travis Kelcey, Kareem Hunt can catch out
of the backfield. Isaiah Cheko's coming back. So I think
the offense. I mean, if they had Rashi Rice right now,
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they wouldn't have d Hop, and I think they'd be fine.
They're a little better at receiver than last year, in
the year before. I don't think it's an emergency, but
I also think all those young defensive players now are
a bit older and wiser. I think it's the best
team in the league. Their defense is not allowed a
single point when trailing in the fourth quarter of this season.
So when you're great, sometimes it's hard to stay focused.
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But when you need their defense to be great, and
when you need them to block a kick, and when
you need a goal line stand, they are off the charts.
There is our heard hierarchy Green Bay. I have an eleven.
Didn't watch them play, moved them back. I like what
I saw with the Commanders, and with that Nick right
now calls first things first, joins us live all right.
(08:20):
I always say, peruse that top ten, anything that stands
out to you.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
Top of the tiers spot on. I like the one, two, three,
four exactly. I have some concerns about the Ravens. We
can get into later. The Eagles have really impressed me,
and the Chargers like they don't have any great wins,
but you can see what they're building.
Speaker 6 (08:44):
Here's my only beef.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
I think the Vikings and the Packers are better than
San Francisco. I'm not sure why I'm supposed to believe
San Francisco is anything close to what it was yeh
last season or the season before. And I know this
isn't the point of the tiers, but Colin, if you
(09:06):
look at what the Cardinals have left and what the
Niners have left, I'm starting to think I was with
the Rams, but the loss last night was so devastating
they might be in too.
Speaker 6 (09:18):
Big of a hole.
Speaker 5 (09:19):
I think the Cardinals might be incredibly well positioned to
win that division, and I'll call the shot right now.
Week eighteen, Sunday Night football final game of the NFL season,
I think is going to be Niners Cardinals with the
NFC West on the line, where the lose winner wins
(09:42):
the division and the loser misses the playoffs entirely. And
I think the Niners could be on the outside looking in.
I was not impressed by what they did this past weekend,
and I don't think the defense is going to be
able to overcome some of the offensive injuries.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Yeah, no, you're right. I think part of me is
it's confirmation bias. I want them to be good. I've
loved them for years.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
They're supposed to be good. They got a great coach,
The party has played. Party played well this week, Like
my lack of impressiveness.
Speaker 6 (10:12):
This week is not about party. The throat to Kittle
was great.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
I just and I don't love the debo thing, like
here's I, here's I am not of the belief that,
you know, always keep your hands to yourself, never, But
like different workplaces, at different standards, people are like, oh
my god, can you imagine if you did this at Kinko's.
They don't work at Kinkos, they work in the NFL.
But the problem to me with the Deebo thing is
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the imbalance of power. If you're gonna hit somebody at work,
they've got to be allowed to hit you back. Like
if you punch Jmax, so be it. He can punch
you back. If you punch an interurn, it's a problem
because the andron is not allowed to hit you back. Yeah,
you can't fight the kicker and long snapper when you're
one of the highest paid guys on the team because
they're not allowed to hit you back. So I thought
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that was kind of a bad vibe sign. I didn't
like that either.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Yeah, I've never done that to an intern and never
considered it, but thanks for planning it.
Speaker 5 (11:06):
You know, no you've thought about hitting J Mac though,
but you know, he's got that gun show ready. He's
you're right back, so it'd be fair.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Yeah. So I was saying this. I sometimes it's fun
to be really wrong, and I said, for three years,
four years, I love Mike Tomlin, but their tone deft offense. Suddenly,
to his credit, this is the advantage of having an
experienced Super Bowl winning coach with a big salary. He
benched justin fields with a winning record and said, just
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a gun instinct can't do that. If you're a rookie
head coach, you get a lot of heat. He's like, guys,
this is why I'm well compensated and I'm wrong, and
I think we both are to some degree. Russell I
said this yesterday. Everybody's clean that Aaron still got it
because he's cool. He doesn't. Everybody pushed Russell out the
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door because he's not cool. And I'm watching him. Nick,
he's got the deep ball back.
Speaker 6 (12:00):
I'm sorry, but well, yeah, that moon ball's back.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
It is.
Speaker 6 (12:03):
He's not taken as many sacks.
Speaker 5 (12:05):
No, they're playing from a script they're comfortable with. If
they hadn't, you know, attempted to execute one of the
most asenine fake punts i've ever seen in a game.
They were totally controlling. You know, I think they could
have blown out Washington, and Washington's a good team, So yeah,
I mean, I thought Russell Wilson was totally cooked. And
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he's now playing I think better than he played obviously
in Denver, but either year, but I think arguably better
than he played his final year in Seattle, and that
is shocking to me.
Speaker 6 (12:43):
Now.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
The only trepidation I have with Pittsburgh is I know
America knows they have a tough remaining schedule.
Speaker 6 (12:51):
I don't know if they understand what it actually is.
They have eight.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
Games left, it is all six divisional games, and the
two other games are the Eagles and the Chiefs. So
that is as absolutely murderous of a final eight. And
I know the Browns are no good and the Bengals
have struggled, but AFC North divisional games are always tough.
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Steelers Browns games are tough, yep, and the Bengals offense
is going to.
Speaker 6 (13:19):
Be a lot to deal with.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
But because of that, it was incumbent upon them to
get out to this awesome start and they did it.
And so like the Russell Wilson George Pickens, combo that
has been unlocked.
Speaker 6 (13:34):
Pickens, who's, you know, kind.
Speaker 5 (13:36):
Of a bit of a personality issue at times, was
not happy with Fields. He's been happier with Russ And
you've got to give them credit. And if they can
split with Baltimore, which I would expect them to do,
then you've got to say they're the favorite to win
that division even with that brutal schedule.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
So I'm gonna throw this at you with Caleb Williams
because they butcher Justin Fields and Mitch Trubisky, they didn't work.
And I'm not blaming all on the staff that Caleb Williams,
because he was a higher prospect, has to work. So
there is no argument here. It doesn't matter if he's
struggling that it does matter also that Bo Nixon, Jaden
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Daniel look terrific, and that there's so many things working here.
Man Hasselbig said yesterday most of these sacks are on Caleb,
whether they are or not. I'm not an NFL quarterback
or former one. Is there a singular thing that that
that I heard this yesterday from somebody I trust, Nick
in the league. He said, Colin, I'm not there's stuff
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here that I'm not sure is correctible. Is there any
part of you that thinks the coach is irrelevant? He'll
just never be Jaden Daniels and he's he's just not That's.
Speaker 6 (14:54):
No, I'm not so that I think is.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
I'm I'm shocked at the whiplash some have had on
their Caleb Williams opinion. Listen, if you didn't love him
coming out of college, if you were like, hey, he's
overrated as a prospect, it won't translate. And what you're
seeing right now, you're like, I told you so, so
be it bully for you. But if you are in
the generic you I'm talking in the vast majority of
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people who all agreed he was the number one player
in this draft, the number one quarterback, and after nine games,
three of which he was excellent in the middle, you're like,
I've changed my opinion. Then, with respect, I don't value
your draft opinions ever again. Moving forward, if like, what
is the point of watching college football scouting these players?
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If half a season of football, You're like, Nope, I've
changed my mind. Now are there some concerning signs? Sure,
but I'm going to tell you everyone's pointing to the
sacks and the off target throws and how much is
on the all line, how much is on Caleb. I'm
going to give you a stat no one's pointing out
that I think is the biggest indicator that the coaching
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was bad and got in his head in these last
three games, which have been the worst three games stretch
of football he's probably ever played in his life, certainly
his worst three games stretch in the pros. Do you
know how many interceptions he's thrown? Zero he has in
these PFF hasn't graded as in these three games one
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big time throw and zero turnover worthy plays.
Speaker 6 (16:31):
So what does that tell me?
Speaker 5 (16:33):
The coaches coached the aggressiveness out of him Peyton Manning
rookie or what he throwed twenty eight picks to go
along with toy was I was.
Speaker 6 (16:42):
A bunch of boom, a bunch of busts. He was learning.
Speaker 5 (16:45):
What is so concerning to me about the last few
games is he's refusing to trust what he's seeing. He's
refusing to throw the ball down the field. He's refusing
to take chances. You've got to take chances. And so
that to me is why Yet Caleb needs to play better.
He needs to be more accurate. This is clearly some
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of this is on him. But I would feel better
Colin if he had thrown six picks the last three weeks,
then zero zero. When you're struggling and not turning the
ball over, when you are not a game manager quarterback,
you're an explosive, big play quarterback.
Speaker 6 (17:25):
That to me means you are being told.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
Take care of the ball, trust the defense, take care
of the ball. And now he's playing slow and not
believing what he's seeing. So that I think moving on
from Waldron was smart, and I think they're gonna have
an offensive head coach next year.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
So it's interesting if I said to you, hey, let's
go on a guy trip, but one of the guys
you're paying if a poker trip with you would have
to be forget. If I go rafting trip, you'd go poker,
you'd win. But if I said to you one of
the guys is really moody, holds grudges and you got
(18:03):
to kind of see it his way, you'd be like,
that's not a good hang. It's a little bit what
you were hearing with Aaron in Green Bay and Boomer
asiasin Popular New York radio Guy had this to say
yesterday about Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 7 (18:19):
It's an unmitigated disaster. Aaron Rodgers has completely sucked the
air out of the building. He is a first ballot
Hall of Fame player, one of the great quarterbacks when
he was in his prime that we have ever seen.
Since he has come here over the last few years,
every player on this team I feel like has deferred.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Everything to him.
Speaker 7 (18:37):
Russell Wilson said something about Mike Williams yesterday, and it
was being reported during the game that when Mike Williams
showed up to Pittsburgh, he showed up with such a
big smile and he was so happy, like he was
so unencumbered by playing for the Jets and with the
Jets and with Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
And I ask you, this was the Green Bay issue, everybody,
he was walking on eggshells. It is now the New
York issue. You're watching Kyler Murray look like a different
sport against him. You've watched bow Nicks beat him, you
watch mahomes Lamar Herbert. If you're the Jets, is it
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under consideration you move off him?
Speaker 5 (19:21):
So I don't think it's under consideration. I think it's
the only possible option.
Speaker 6 (19:27):
The I mean, I don't he will be after this season.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
He will be a forty one year old quarterback that
is coming off the three worst seasons of his career.
Call it two if we're not going to count the
year he lost the Achilles fine, the year in Green
Bay was terrible, a lost season due to injury, this disaster.
He is the worst leader in all of sports. He
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is only best I can tell, somewhat interested in football,
and only if he can play with his old and
family he is.
Speaker 6 (20:02):
There would be.
Speaker 5 (20:03):
No reason whatsoever to bring him back. And if you're listen,
I have been to Jet fans think I've been hating
on them all year. I've just been impeccably accurate every
step of the way all year, which sounds like hating
when you're a train wrecked team and franchise.
Speaker 6 (20:20):
But I have some good news. Listen.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
One of the knock on effects of last Tuesday's election
is Woody Johnson is about to get another cushy post overseas,
so the Jets have an opportunity to go from Woody
to Christopher Johnson. So you move out, at least temporarily
arguably the worst owner in the league. Move on from Aaron,
totally new coaching staff, totally new front office, and say
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we have Quinn Williams, Sauce Gardner who needs to play better,
Garrett Wilson, Quincy Williams to build around, and we're going
to draft a quarterback. That's what they need to do.
It's the only option that makes sense. And I don't
know what team out there would want to sign up
for Aaron Rodgers if the Jets move on. And I
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know we're short on time, but let me throw this
at you, Colin. If this is how it ends for Aaron,
I'm trying to go through the list of the ten
best quarterbacks in NFL history.
Speaker 6 (21:17):
In my head.
Speaker 5 (21:19):
None of them saw it end like this, because for
Aaron it would mean his last three years went missed
the playoffs, lost the season to injury, failed expectations, missed
the playoffs, flamed out in spectacular fashion.
Speaker 6 (21:35):
Think about everyone else.
Speaker 5 (21:37):
Tom made the playoffs every year in Tampa, won a
Super Bowl as third to last year or his fourth
the last year in the league. Peyton wasn't great his
final year but won the Super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (21:47):
Made the playoffs every year.
Speaker 5 (21:48):
Joe, Montana and Kansas City made the playoffs both years,
made an NFC champion AFC Championship Game. Second last year,
Farv his second to last season, the one with the
Vikings almost one MVP won the NFC Championship l way
back to back Super Bowls. Breeze was in the playoffs
every year. Hell Big Ben thought his career was over,
did a victory lap. They still made the playoffs. He
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got in there, Like go even find the guy who
is a Aikman and young were still really good careers
shortened had to quit do the concussions and injuries. Who
is the legendary quarterback who for the final three years
of his career was in the wilderness.
Speaker 6 (22:29):
There isn't one.
Speaker 5 (22:30):
I mean, damn Philip Rivers made the playoffs with the
Colts at the end, Like there is not a precedent
in this league for any of the legends, and I
left some of them out, but they all qualify where
the final three seasons of their career they're on bad
teams or not playing relevant football. So that's a weird
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button to the Aaron Rodgers story.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
I agree, another win for the Kansas City Chiefs a
half man and I like him to beat him hard.
Well it is it's become very good. Take there. It
is hard to beat them. That has been hard to
beat him. Good to see Anyboddy nick.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
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Speaker 1 (23:18):
Jim Harbaugh was saying this weekend, he's got a new
name for Justin Herbert, half man, half beast. But what
is interesting about Jim Harbaugh not only that he's turned
around the Chargers overnight, but that he was available for
two years. The year before the Chargers hired him, he
interviewed Minnesota and he made it very clear as the
NCAA was coming around the program like He's like, hey,
(23:40):
I'm available, and nobody hired him. And go look at
the NFL draft order right now. The top nine teams
Jacksonville Giants, Tennessee, Cleveland, Vegas, New England, New Orleans Jets, Carolina,
nobody hired the star coach. None of them. Nobody went
star coach. Now. I like some of the coaches currently
in these spots because there are good young guys. But
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Mike Rabel's on the market. Didn't get a call this year.
Belichick is on the market as well. And if you
hire those guys, Belichick and Rabel experience, big game experience,
you get toughness, resilience, and get you know, you have
an identity with those two guys. But it's interesting what
Harbaugh's done. The right coach can save players. So he
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saved Quentin Johnston. So that was the number one pick
the year before at wide receiver bust this year. I
don't know if he's a great player, but he's a
good deep threat. He's a big body, got speed. They're
using him. So getting a star coach, when you get
a young coach like McVeigh, one out of six young
hot shots work. McVeigh did, Shanahan did, Kevin O'Connell has
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one out of about six if you go the last
ten years work. Most don't, but there is. Jim Harbaugh
is a great reminder. There is very little great in
any industry. It can be tech, law, football, coaching. You
get what you pay for, and in the air is
when you do pay for Sean Payton or you do
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pay for Andy Reid or Jim Harbaugh. It empowers the coach.
They're allowed, you know, it lets them cook. They can
move up. Mike Tomlin because of his salary, his gravitas
and his ring can move off. Justin fields, You're not
gonna get any pushback from the locker room. A young
coach could. I mean, Shane Steichen's a great coach. He
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pulled out Anthony Richardson. Not everybody liked it, and he's
a brilliant young coach. So spend the money on Rabel
and Belichick And I'm I don't like Belichick. If he
wants any personnel control, then I wouldn't hire him. But
what Harbaugh's done, He's saved Quinton Johnson, he is I mean,
he's changed the culture of the football team. They're getting
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They're the old guys that you didn't know if they
were really worth it, like a Derwin James or a
Khalil Mack. You're like, yeah, they're great again. So you know,
Harbaugh was on the market for two years. I go
could have had him. No, no, Chicago could have had
Cliff Kingsbery. No, no, no, I want as a coordinator,
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but you know, you get what you pay for. Sean Payton,
look at them improved. By the way, if you asked
me today, who would be my three finalists for NFL
Coach of the Year. I'd have Hardball one. I'd probably
have Mike Tomlin number two, and I'd have Dan Quinn
veteran been to a super Bowl, number three. I know
y'all want the hot shot, but there is value in
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paying the guy big money, experience, big game stuff. I
remember when Mike Tomlin made me. Remember when he replaced
fields with Russell Wilson and people asked him about the decision,
your boldest decisions to go with three.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
That's why I'm well compensated.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
That's right. You're not gonna get a young coach saying
that Mike gets away with it, not only gets away
with it, leans into it, and everybody in the room
gets it. J Mack with the.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
News No No is the herd line news.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Despite the loss to Pittsburgh, Colin Jadon Daniels has had
a tremendous rookie season, much better than Lamar Jackson's rookie season. Obviously,
the two get compared to one another a lot well.
Mike Tomlin was asked about the similarities between Jadon Daniels
and Lamar Jackson, and he said, everybody pump the brakes.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
It'd be real slow. Compare people to Lamar Jackson. That's
a multi time MVP. That's mister Jackson. We'll see mister
Jackson in a few days.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Now. Jadon Daniels have some qualities of Lamar Jackson, but
there is no other Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Yeah, it's interesting. Jadon Daniels a lot older than Lamar
was when he broke into the league. Jane Daniels is
gonna be twenty four here soon, and we got some
numbers for you on the screen. You know, listen through
first ten starts, Jaydon Daniels seven and three, he's been tremendous.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
He's offensive Rookie.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Of the Year.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Ryan bo Nix has been okay, but it's got to
be Jayden.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Right and Lamar obviously started well with Baltimore. Remember he
was exclusively a runner in his first You remember that
first year he came on I think midway through the
season that week eleven, Yeah, went on a tear and
then they had the playoff game, which was like a
rematch from the week prior against I think the Chargers, yep,
it was, and they were like, oh, he can't throw
the football. Yeah, Lamar's has improved a lot. I don't
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think it's wrong to say Jayden Daniels has a lot
of Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
No, I don't know that. That's what we said before
the draft. We said he's a little Lamar light. He's
not as nobody's ever been as explosive as Lamar. He's
a little ahead of Lamar in the pocket at this point,
oh in Lamar's career, but he's not nearly the runner
Lamar was. But I listen to bet your comp in
the NFL, you're doing just fine.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Oh heck you.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
And also I think one of the things both of
these young men have work ethic, loved in the locker room,
loved by their coaches, all in, no distractions, laser focus,
they do all the quarterback intangible stuff right, which fans
don't want to talk about.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Well, Lamar is past the distraction.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
Remember his like mom went his agent, Okay, I wouldn't
do that, that distraction.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
That was well, he wasn't like two months on it
on the show, but he hadn't played yet. That wasn't
an issue.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
Well when he was lobbying for that, remember there was
chatter that he wanted a fully guaranteed deal after de
Shawn and it was a little noisy and got ugly.
I was clamoring for the Jets go all in, try
to steal Lamar because we just started the show together.
I was begging the Jets and banded up with who they.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Oh, Aaron Rogers.
Speaker 7 (29:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
Next story is let's stick with with the Commanders. They've
been one of the surprise teams of the season, but
did blow a ten point third quarter lead against the
Steelers on Sunday. Dad Quinn believes his team has a
chance to show how they respond to adversity.
Speaker 8 (29:45):
This was a hard loss, no doubt about it, Nikki,
and their response is what was so important. So what
I saw on the field last night, towards the end
in the locker room of guys talking to one another,
they were matt and that's what I honestly wanted to
see on these missed opportunities to say, how do we
make sure that doesn't happen again?
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Do we need an amendment to your hat backwards? Because
he's got the full gray goateee, I feel like you can.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
My hat backwards only is for quarterbacks on Wednesday at
the big Wednesday presser. I don't care if anybody else
wears it.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
So I think.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
I think Washington's competitive this week. But in Philadelphia to
me is the side.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Well, Philadelphia's roster is complete, Washington still needs another draft.
Their back ends bad even with Lantimore, they need help
in the back end. OH line needs a little upgrading.
They still have a long way. They need somebody. Terry
mclaurin's great, but Washington Jaden Daniels is making you think
they've arrived. When you watch that game against Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh
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had double the yards, double yards per play. Jayden completed
fifty percent of his throws. If it wasn't for us
literally an absurd fake punt botch and fumbling at the one,
Pittsburgh was absolutely the better team.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Yeah, I just I watch why.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
I don't think they're that far behind Pittsburgh and Philadelphia.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
You think they are roster wise, they're not close to Philadelpha.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
No, No, definitely roster wise, but we know that, Like
Jalen Hurts had a little regression last week early against Dallas,
and they rebound and they were fine.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
So I guess you're on the Eagles Thursday at minus
three and a half.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
It's a stay away game for me. I think they'll win,
but I think that when you do these things like
the Detroit Lions, where you play perfect football for four
or five weeks. Kansas City, you know, like, I know
they're pros, but Detroit played literally flawless football for a month.
They were not ready to play in the first half.
The Rams had had three wins. They were not ready
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to play in the first half. Philadelphia on a short week.
Where's the game at? Is it at Philly in Philly? Yeah?
I take Philly to win. But there's a reason. There's
a hook there. Three and a half.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
Yeah, it's also the rookie quarterback on Thursday night, like
a disruptive week after a tough loss, two tough opponents
in a row for Washington, I'm still not bailing on Daniels.
I know a lot of people are, Oh, finally NBA
story Colin to wrap things up.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
And that's because.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Joelle Embiid it making his much anticipated tam You tonight
against the New York Knickerbockers.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
Joel Embiid surches three game suspension for an altercation with
a reporter. By the way, we never got video of that.
I guess there isn't video of it.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
This is actually a good NBA game. Oh, it's a
great Maxie's not playing.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
And also it's the in season tournament, which has been
renamed the NBA Cup.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Yeah, so you know, if if you're into I like that.
Last year I thought it was it was fun. I'm
the new the court rall.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
And like you said, no Tyrese Maxi. Paul George has
been a little shall we say slow on the uptick
in Philly. He had a brutal Sunday. He's, oh gosh,
he's shooting thirty eight percent.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
But we get a U.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
I think this is a national TV.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Game, right, Nick Sixers should beat against Kat and Brunson.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
I don't see a line there. I'm you're not.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Betting on NBA. Not no, not now. I'll tell you.
If you're gonna bet, just bet on Cleveland. They're red hot.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Are we gonna do cat on the show? Are we
gonna get any mentions to them?
Speaker 3 (33:07):
Or well?
Speaker 1 (33:07):
It is November, you know, and we just did it.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
They're twelve and oh show them.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Some respective Rockets had a twenty two game winning streak
about twelve years ago, one and done in the playoffs.
If I recall NBA regular season winning streaks, don't mean
anything right now. For instance, the Warriors are hot. They're
playing twelve guys, so their energy they number one in rebounding.
Their defense looks great. Why because their energy is through
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the roof. Because they're playing twelve guys. That doesn't matter.
In the playoffs, everybody shrinks their rotation to like eight dudes,
maybe nine. Everybody's playing with the same energy. Everybody's equally arrested.
So Golden State is built. For the regular season, play
twelve guys, everybody's fresh. Everybody contributes, I mean literally, They're
rebounding is number one in the league. Why because their
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efforts insane. They're just hustling and getting rebounds. That doesn't matter,
no regular season wins. Who did you play? The bottom
of the NBA is weak. You go on one of
these six game roadies, you play five dogs.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
What's weak or bottom of the NFL? Which you showed
the draft order? I mean, there's like not bad. By
the way back to the NFL. They're gonna have to
adjust some of these prime time games late in the
season because some of these teams are you can't put
them in print time.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Jason, there's only two teams in the East with a
winning records again, the East is terrible. J Mack with
a news.
Speaker 4 (34:34):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd line.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
The Cavs slam the East, so they have a winning record,
and the Celtics play in the East a pretty good team.
Everything else after that is up for debate. That I
still contend you brought this up. There's a rumer out
there the Knicks want to get Yannis and they got
Cat to get Yannis. I think that's true. That's fascinating.
You're not beating Boston with Jalen Brunson as your best player.
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He's got to be your two. I know you love that,
but if Derek White's my fourth and fifth best player
in Brunson, you're one. I'm winning the series.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
This is my problem. I'm embracing underdogs all around it.
One Hunderdogs are just getting their teeth kicked in in
literally everything every sport.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Except the NFL, action except the NFL. This weekend it
was an underdog weekend.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
H I mean, just crazy stretch.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Okay, nine of the twelve cav wins had been versus
the East.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
So they're getting fat and happy off on the.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Garbage bad East team. So NBA. Remember the Rockets winning
streak few years remember that was like ten twelve years ago.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Was James Harden?
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Yeah, they were on twenty two straight. Every He's like, well,
I think it was Harden, but it was like it
meant nothing in the playoffs, meant nothing.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
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Speaker 3 (35:49):
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Speaker 2 (35:57):
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Speaker 1 (36:00):
Put a game in your area. By the way, the
staff says, I was right, twenty two game winning Street Rockets.
They lost in the first round, but it was the
TM MAC team, not the James Harden team, and it
was longer ago than I thought. I remember they went
on this big winning streak. People freaked out and I
meant nothing in the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
How good was t Mac back in the day?
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Coward?
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Come on, I love that guy.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
I remember my favorite player for a while.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
Really.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
I loved his game inside outside dunks, talking trash, you're.
Speaker 7 (36:25):
Not a fan.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
He was okay. I saw him one time at a cafeteria.
It's like, you don't like me, I said, like him,
I said, I like you. I think you're a nice guy.
I don't love your game. Is this as a player
or no? He was a post. I like he's a
nice guy. I just didn't think he want enough. Some
guys are spectacted or I won't win.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Well, not everybody can win.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
That's what I like. I like winners. You'd like stats.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Dan Marino didn't win. You don't like him.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
He's not one of my top five quarterbacks. He didn't
win enough. Well, I mean honestly, Like it's it's like
Nick Wright said, what are we gonna do with Aaron?
Speaker 5 (36:55):
What do you mean? How many?
Speaker 2 (36:56):
How many?
Speaker 1 (36:56):
All the time? I'll take Drew Brees over Aaron Rodgers
any day and twice on some Why because he's more
consistent at the very end he was good.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
Well, how do you quantify consistent?
Speaker 7 (37:05):
Though?
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Like, I don't think he has any many stats?
Speaker 1 (37:08):
A Dray Breese owns about thirty percent of the record book.
That's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
So he's a compil So you like compilers.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
No, I like a guy that took over the worst
franchise in the league in the first year they made
the playoffs. A guy that's a fox hole guy, a
ball or not a Bayler.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Oh you hear that?
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Eron never had to walk on eggshells around Drew Brees
never had to walk on eggs shells.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
The rudership, I mean, he checks all the boxes. Aaron
Rodgers is not.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
Well, it's kind of important. Okay, So here's the current.
After Miami's big win last night, here's the current. Let's
give everybody a look at the playoff picture. So in
the AFC, you know, I think a lot of us
you know, it's Chiefs, Bills, Steelers, Texans. I was totally
wrong on the Steelers wild Card. It's Ravens. I still
think they win the division, Ravens, Chargers, Denver. I feel
(37:55):
pretty good about where I felt about those teams in
the hunt. The Coults are a mess of the Bengals Miami.
I thought that game for Miami is going to ignite something.
So I think it's the playoffs are going to look
a little like that. I think Miami's fighting to the
last weekend to get in. They looked really good last
night in the NFC. We'll put that up for the audience.
(38:17):
NFC I thought going into the season, I wasn't as sure,
but we all kind of like Detroit. I had Philadelphia,
so so Arizona is the big surprise in the NFC.
I still think the Rams and the Niners will have
a say. The Vikings are better than everybody thought outside
of Minneapolis. Washington. I had as a wildcard team Green Bay.
So I think it's about seventy five percent of this league.
(38:40):
Seventy five percent of the teams that are division leaders
are wildcard. Most people, myself included, thought what are the
big surprises? Minnesota is a big surprise in Washington, I
guess Arizona is God. I like their players and the AFC,
what's the big surprise? We thought Cincinnati would be better.
(39:03):
Cincinnati's great, just offensively, they're great.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Pittsburgh, right, Pittsburgh has to be the big surprise.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Well, I know, I no.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
I think there's season winter like and seven.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
And a half.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
I think Denver's the surprise. People thought Denver, yourself included,
you thought Denver is gonna stink.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
Listen, they're only five and five. Let's let's let's not
go overboard.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
That's five hundred.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
They could easily end up seven and ten, and everybody's like,
oh yeah, that's what we thought.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
Pittsburgh is the Shocker.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
Remember remember when I was like, Hey, they're going nowhere
fast trade TJ Watt start over.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
Steelers fans have not forgotten that shocker.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
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