November 8, 2022 • 40 mins
Colin's new NFL Heard Hierarchy
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Mac is joining us. He is going to give us
the very latest rumors. Now, we talked about this yesterday.
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Bill Simmons, my friend came out and said he keep
your eye and Anthony Davis moving and people said, well,
Bill's not a reporter. And my takeaway as well, what
is a reporter? Bill has access, Bill makes calls, Bill
says something that's report. I'm not saying every as a
reporter saying what is it? I mean, if you have
contacts and you make a call. I have friends like that.
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They're in the business, they're opinionists or podcasters, but they
have contacts. In front offices. They have buddies or friends.
And if you say something and I trust your opinion,
is that reporter, So I guess they're You know, as
a guy who worked at a newspaper, there is a
vetting process. So if I go to my editor and say, hey,
I called up just Daryl Morey and he told me
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this off the record, can we run with it? Usually
you need a second source because Daryl Morey could be
trying to smoke you to get something out. That's the rule, right,
But you know where am I a lot of my
like For instance, this week, I have two dinners over
a cocktail. You lubricate the situation. Stuff flows right boom?
Is that reporting? I think it is. No, It's called
an informed opinion, right, all right, that's what I do.
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You get informed opinions? Yes, well I try to get
that with some NFL games didn't work out so well
last week? All right? Perhaps coming forward? All right, here
we go. They spend a lot of time on this,
probably too much. Says a lot about my social life.
Here's my herd. Hierarchy heard hierarchy. The top ten NFL
teams according to College number ten Vegas can't figure them out.
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We can the Seahawks listen four game winning streak and
they've won each game by over ten points. They're blowing
out teams. They have the number one defense in the
league since Week six, and they have forty three scoring drives.
Why Kenneth Walker great left tackle. Only the Ravens have
more scoring drives this year in the league. Folks, I
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think they're for real. They're young, They're Pete Carroll's kind
of team. Gino Smith is playing way above anything we
thought Geno Smith could be. Seahawks deserve ten, maybe higher.
Number nine. You watch the Ravens last night. You tell
me that's not a top ten team. Third straight win,
second best turnover differential in the league, a top five offense.
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By the way, look at their schedule. Jamax said this earlier.
It is a lot of double us. I just think
this team, the owner, the GM, the coach, the quarterback.
I like everything about him. I don't even know why
I doubted him last night. Shame on me. Big spots.
They always come to play, they're physical, and you know
what I think about Lamar Jackson. Pay him now, don't wait.
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Number eight the Dolphins is it? Ta is it? Tyreek Hill?
Is it both? They're six and oh one. Two is healthy.
I don't think their defense is playing up to par.
But they've got people in the right spot, left tackle,
edge rusher, star receivers, nice corners. Do you know two?
It leads the NFL and passer rating. Now, some of
that's nonsense. I mean, in a last night Dalton's passer
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rating wasn't I think it's QBR. Wasn't that much worse
than lamar So passer rating QBR? I don't know. All
I know is this, They're great on third down. They're
not asking two to do stuff he can't do. My
Amy looks the part. Now, Josh Allen's all banged up.
We know the Patriots don't have the weapons on the outside.
I think it's a playoff team. I wouldn't want to
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play him in Miami. I gotta have the Dolphins at eight,
number seven, Dallas Cowboys, listen. I like Dak, don't love him,
but man, they got a lot of nice pieces. The
edge rusher, the star linebacker, the star back, star receiver,
star corner. They have the best sack differential in the
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NFL and they have seven giveaways all season. I'll say
this for dak He doesn't turn it over. They don't
put the ball in the carpet. If you win the
turnover battle in this league, you win like three out
of four games. Dallas has earned it. I have my
misgivings about Mike McCarthy. That'll probably surface in a big
postseason game or a late season game. But right now,
Dallas is seven, number six. I like Minnesota in the preseason.
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I like him now now they're six and oz and
one possession games. You're not gonna win all of those.
But TJ. Hawkins and feels like an absolute in division
steal at tight end. They're on a six game winning streak.
They have a pass rush this year. Last year they
fell apart physically. This year they're healthier. They have a
four and a half game lead in their division, so
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they'll be able to maybe rest starters post Thanksgiving. Vikings
at six, number five the Bills. I moved him down
last week. I moved him down again this week. They're
too dependent on Josh Allen. Do you know he has
eight picks and thirteen turnover worthy plays. Only Matt Ryan's
got more. I love him, but you gotta give even
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your star quarterback help that's why that's why Kansas City
always has some semblance of a run game behind Mahomes. Yes,
they have the number one total offense. Yes they're the
Mike Tyson of the league. They knock out people. But
if you're looking for playoff teams that will succeed, you've
got to have some nuance and can't be totally dependent,
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even if the guy you're dependent on, as Josh Allen
bills at five, number four Niners. In my opinion, when
healthy have the best roster in the league. Do you
know they have the fewest third and outs in the
NFL And you don't like Garoppolo and he hasn't had
many of his weapons. Now they're getting healthy. Here comes
their full buck, Here comes Deebo Samuel, here comes Elijah Mitchell.
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Number one total defense, fewest three and outs. They're just
banged up. I don't know what it is, but they've
been banged up for three or four years with Kyle Shanahan.
But they're getting healthy. Watch out number three, a team
today that I think ends up in the AFC Championship
against Kansas City Cincinnati. If they can run the ball,
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Chiefs could be in trouble. But it's been inconsistent. Most
underrated defense in the league. They just don't have stars,
so you don't talk about him. Joe Burrows completing seventy
percent of his throws. When you can crush people without
Jamar Chase, what does it tell you? Burrow leads the
NFL since Week one and twenty touchdowns. Again, this is
a really good defense without stars. Maybe I'm overvaluing them,
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but I think when they're at their best, Kansas City
could be in trouble. Number two the Chiefs Chiefs are
great in Andy I trust in Patrick Mahomes, I trust,
but opposing quarterbacks are averaging a one on one passer rating.
How would Joe Burrow do? I worry about the back
end of their defense? They also start slowly now Cincinnati
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does two, but Kansas City has this history their four
and oh this year when they trail by eight plus points.
Why would they trail by eight plus points an apathy?
Do they save plays for later? I do think right
now they should be favored to get to the super Bowl,
but Cincinnati could be a really interesting matchup for them.
They've got the defense that will travel well to Arrowhead
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KC two. Number one, what do you want me to say,
I didn't think Nick Sirianni could coach. I had my
doubts about Jalen Hurts. Now here's what worries me about Philly.
They've won the turnover battle every week, and as Jason
and I have talked about, that's kind of random, like
some years the fumbles go your way, some years the
fumbles don't. But they're also creating some of those turnovers.
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But I like there. We said before the season, we
picked him to win their division. Their old line D
D line combination could be the best in the league.
I think they've earned the number one spot. I don't
know if they'd match up in a shootout with the
Chiefs or the Bills or the Bengals, but right now
they're number one. All right, j Mack, your Jets, we're twelve.
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The Giants were eleven, in a word, devastated. I don't
know how I'm going to rebound from this. First of all,
Miami Dolphins at eight, Are you kidding me? They can't
stop anybody? Cincinnati Bengals at three. I said, I've said enough, Well, listen,
this is not the standing. I know. I'm well aware
of the How's this Seattle loses in Germany. Jets on
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the Bye Jets slide in at ten on the Bye Baby.
Nick right, Well, Nick, hell be satisfied. I've been dropping
Buffalo for back to back weeks. They're too cocky, They're
too Josh Allen driven Nick right now joining us co host.
First things first, you know, it is interesting what I
love about Kansas City is they're the best come from
behind team of my life. I mean, even Brady you
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didn't like him falling behind? Does it? Does it concern
you a little though? That they get behind a lot?
It's just kind of their makeup. Well, what concerns me
is that, even as you elevate them, the whole chief
segment of Hurd hierarchy was just the Bengals segment Part two.
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I mean I am I am a running list now
of the teams that Colin Cowherd has either implied or
outright said would give Kansas City problems. Chiefs the to
be worried. It started with the Broncos in the preseason.
It briefly was the Chargers, then it was the Bills.
Now it's the Bengals. Here's an idea, Colin, the team
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with the best quarterback ever and the best coach currently
is probably going to be the favorites and the best team.
I understand the Bengals got him last year, something Buffalo
cannot say, even though everyone pretended they did. And I
give them all the credit in the world. And I
like Joe Burrow almost as much as you do. I
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think Cincinnati's really good. But I would be concerned about
the Chiefs falling behind if they didn't have the best
come from behind quarterback in the history of the league.
And that's not an exaggeration. Nobody else in NFL history,
even Brady wins forty percent of their games when they
trailed by double digits. Mahomes wins sixty percent of his
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games when he trails by double digits. It's remarkable. I
do think there's an element of in they get down,
especially if it's late, they abandon the run game entirely,
and I think that helps them. I think when it's
just put the ball in Mahomes' hands, if we need
to run, he will run for us. I think that
works quite well. And yeah, I mean eventually you'll have
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them at number one, probably after they're hoisting the Lombardi,
but not a day before. It is interesting the Chiefs
have rebuilt their defense, their A line, and their receiving
corps in three of the last four years. Buffalo can't
build a run game in five. They're so And I listen.
I was late to this because I thought this was
a super Bowl team. But when you what's happening to
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me is Alan has to be Superman. It's like Luca
and the Mavericks, and if he's not, they have no
chance to win. And they may both win the MVP. Luka,
don titch with Dallas and Josh Allen. But you you
were a little ahead of this and you're basking in
this house. Well listen, I just listen. Josh Allen does
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not lead the league. He leads the league a few things. Hype,
you know, a fawning commentary, and turnovers. Those are the
categories of starting quarterbacks. So he is not leading league
in yards or touchdowns. He's not even top five in rating.
But he there are two players in the league that
are top five in the league in interceptions and in fumbles,
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Josh Allen and Matt Ryan. And Matt Ryan lost his job. Obviously,
Josh Allen should not lose his job, but there was
a real debate who the best quarterback in football is.
And the point I have been making is the debate
is who is the second best, And Josh might be
the second best, but it's not unanimous. He hasn't proven it.
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He is there. The Bills look unstoppable when they are
up by twenty one points, and they make a lot
of mistakes when things aren't rolling for them. And I
do think that that he is a punishing, devastating runner.
I think it is categorically insane that they run him
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as often as they do in the regular season. I
know he's big and strong. Mahomes ran on Sunday night
against Tennessee. You know when he did it third and
seventeen in the fourth quarter, down eight, third and nine
in the fourth quarter to score a touchdown. Having Josh
Allen be your primary runner, I think is a recipe
for disaster. So you know, I had said before the season,
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I said, what's gonna happen in Miami. They're gonna bring
this offensive coach, Tyreek Hill, all these weapons, and you're
gonna have a dilemma. You're gonna think you have a
franchise quarterback. But twa underthrown every deep ball, not occasionally
all of them he is. I mean, just every deep
ball is underthrown, and you know, I look at him
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and I'm like, it feels like the coach and Tyreek
Hill are kind of being overlooked here in this equation,
does it not? With Miami? Well, listen, I will give
to a credit in this regard. I and I'm not
sure if you were as harsh as I was, but
I didn't. I thought he was a backup quarterback headed
into this year. I thought this was going to be
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too a last year as the starter. I was wrong
on that. He has proven that he is an adequate,
if not more so, starting quarterback, But the idea that
he should be getting MVP buzz is crazy to me.
I understand they're undefeated when he starts and finish his games,
but the difference maker for Miami, in addition to the
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coach is Tyree Kill. And I know we're not allowed
to give MVP to any position other than quarterback, but
Tyree Hill is halfway through what I think could go
down as the most impressive wide receiver season ever. He
threw on a sixteen game pace. He is on pace
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for one thousand, nine hundred and sixty three receiving yards.
The record is one thousand, nine hundred and sixty four.
That is without obviously getting credit for the three hundred
plus yards of pass interference penalties he's drawn and the
three hundred plus yards he's left on the table because,
as you're saying, a lot of these bombs instead of
going into the end zone, he's coming back forward and
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he's not getting the yard after the catch on because
they are underthrown. I think, Jail, here's the stat that
shows you Tyreek Hills impact two was there last year.
Jayalen Waddle was there last year and was good. Jayleen
Waddle last year averaged less than ten yards per catch.
He was one hundred and third one hundred and third
in the NFL and yards per catch. This year's same
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player seventeen yards per catch, third in the NFL and
yards per catch they are covering. That is partially McDaniel,
That is partially Jail and you know, getting better, but
it is also the defenses are so terrified of what
Tyreek can do that everything else is opening up. I
think he has been the most impactful player in the
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sport other than Michael Parsons and Patrick Mahomes. This year yeah, No,
I have no problem with that. I mean, I don't
think he's gonna an MVP. He's a field tilter. So
I felt like I understood what the Rams did last year.
They're like, Okay, we're gonna go all in. We're gonna
give up pick, We're going all in. And they won
and everybody loves the Niners. Kyle does never ring people
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a lot of optimisms. Seattle. They haven't done anything right
for a long time. So I get what the Rams did.
They went all in in a city that's distracted with
the Dodgers and the Lakers. And then you look up
this morning and you're like, man, they don't have a
lot of picks, and they are they are thin. We're terrible,
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I mean, offensively, they're a mess. What do you mean
is it Stanford mcvay's now going public meaning he wants
the owner to hear this. I'm taking the heat. I
need help. What do you make of where they're at? Well,
so I think it's two things. I think they I
don't want to say what they did last year was easy.
It obviously wasn't. Winning a Super Bowl is very difficult,
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but they did some levers that other teams are hesitant
to press and you're seeing why this season and those
levers are putting it all on the credit card, mortgaging
the entirety of the future to try to win if they,
I guess one way to look at it is what
a disaster this would have been if they hadn't won
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the Super Bowl last year. But they did and so
that you know, the banners fly forever. As they say.
With that said, they are in route Colin to these
single worst Super Bowl defense ever and that's not hyperbole,
that's just the numbers and non strike seasons. No Super
Bowl defending Super Bowl champ in a sixteen game season
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has won fewer than seven games except for one. The
ninety nine Broncos went six and ten, but John Elway retired,
so he's like, okay, you won back to back Super
Bowls and the quarterback retired. They still went six and ten.
That's the worst defending champion ever in a non strike season.
The Rams, I think max out at six wins this
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year and it's a seventeen game season. Their offense is broken.
Stafford led the league and interceptions last year. He's tied
for second in the league and interceptions this year. That
Cooper Cup can only do so much. And while obviously
their defense played really well for fifty eight minutes on Sunday,
what the defense did on those last two drives, but
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certainly the last one against the Bucks was embarrassing. You
knew exactly what you had to defend and they couldn't
defend it, and they let a moribund offense drive down
the field. And I gotta tell you, I don't know
if you've been on this Colin, but your guy Tom Brady,
he have you seen the quarterbacks that right now? There's
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three quarterbacks? He would, But if they're the four seed,
the only road playoff games would be against Jalen Hurtz,
who's over one in the playoffs, lost to Brady, Geno
Smith who's never been in the playoffs, and Kirk Cousins.
Tom Brady is gonna go eight and nine and then
host a playoff game and then go visit Kirk Cousins
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and then potentially have Jimmy Garoppolo or Geno Smith to
go to his eleventh Super Bowl. And I'm gonna lose
my mind. I'm not gonna be able to handle it.
I see it happening. Is gonna be Daniel Jones visiting
Tom Brady and round one of the playoffs, We're like, really,
and he's gonna win that game, and it's like, wait,
he plays Geno Smith. Now that's what's gonna happen. I'm
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telling you right now, that's what's gonna happen. You're not wrong. Hey,
we got a minute left. I've been on this, trade
a d good organization, see Problers two years. You've been
on it. Yeah, before they happen, he's having a good season.
I would move him. I would sit down Rich Paul
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and Lebron and say, fellas, we're moving him. I would
even consider a Draymond Green and Jonathan Wiseman. You gotta
get younger. I would. I would consider anything. You're what
would you do with the Lakers if you ran him today? Okay,
all right? I was opening all of this until the
main piece coming back was going to be Draymond Green
and Wiseman who hasn't played ten good NBA minutes yet.
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I would. I would not do that trade Colin Coward,
but am I listen? Lakers are a wreck and trading
Ross is not gonna fix it. And yeah, they might
have to trade Anthony Davis if it has come to that,
I know he just signed an extension, then rob Polinka
should resign in embarrassment. The Los Angeles Lakers where it
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won the championship and everyone's like, oh, it was in
the bubble. They were the number one seed before the
bubble and no one in the bubble even threatened them.
They ran through the West in five games. The next year,
they had the second best record in basketball until Lebron
got hurt and then the season went to hell, they
losing Round one. Polinka then made the choice, I know
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everyone's like Lebron made him do it. Lebron couldn't get
him to hire Tylu. The idea that Lebron is the
one calling in these trades is absurd. But robuster a
team that had won the title and had the best
record in the West until guys got hurt and then
it was a disaster, and now this year is even worse.
They forgot to add shooting. You were talking about going
to the grocery store earlier and buying Garley friends, they're
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they've been cooking for Thanksgiving. They forgot the turkey. Shooting
is kind of important in the modern NBA, and now
you might have to trade, a top seventy five all
time player who should still be in his prime because
you have no other path forward. It's mortifying that the
Lakers are in this position. That's just my opinion. I
understand that Kurt, and you know, Kurt Rambis is the
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real shot caller there, so maybe he sees something different
than me, but I think it's absurd. Yeah. First things.
First is the show. It is electric and the only
show on cable TV with no budget. It's it really incredible. True,
none could use a better lead in. But aside from that,
no complaints. See you, you big jerk and Nick right,
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I love it all right, good stuff. We take a
break in a second. You know, I got a lot
of things going on here today. Should I read a spot?
Let's do that Wolf and Shephard. That is gonna be
funny Brady against Daniel Jones, then Geno Smith and Kirk Cousins.
That made me laugh because that's gonna happen eight and
nine into the playoffs and your Jets won't make it
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and they'll be like ten and seven. You bite your tongue,
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Jay tells me, I don't think Vegas can quite figure
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when Vegas has confused. You know you're a surprise team
or what is Tampa Bay right now? Not great? Seattle's
gonna beat that. Seattle's great. No, No, Seattle is a
very good team, top ten team, but Vegas doesn't know
what to do with them because they keep making them
underdogs to Arizona. And if you'll watch the eight quarters
I did, Seattle was better than seven of them. J
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Mac with the news, No no turns. This is the
herd line news all right. Speaking of bad teams, the
Las Vegas Raiders another brutal loss. They blew a seventeen
point lead against the Jaguars. Con It's the third time
this season Josh McDaniels and Derek Carr have blown a
seventeen point lead, and Carr he said some things that
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were a little curious. Here's what he said after the game.
You know, I think there was a lot I want
to say, you know, but if I'm honest, I don't
need to say it here. There are things that will
be said. There are things that need to be addressed
in all these things. But I think as a whole,
the urgency part of it. After thirty minutes of football,
we have to learn that the game is not over.
I have some big, strong opinions on Derek Carr. I'm
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so glad you did this story. J macka. Do you
want me to read the rest of his quarter or no? No,
keep going, keep going. There are things in house that
we will talk about, man to man and all that
kind of stuff that could be addressed. So who is
he talking about. He's not talking about his buddy Davante Adams,
remember his college friends. Davanta Adams had eight for one
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hundred forty six in the first half. DeVante is amazing.
Who's the problem here? I think I have to save
some of this, but I think it is time for
both Derek and the Raiders. And you know, I like
Derek Carr, but all relationships, they're not all meant to
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last forever. I think I think the Raiders right now
would have what the third pick and you could get.
Don't kid your nine years six head coaches got them
to the playoffs. You could get a lot for Derek Carr.
He saw what Russell Wilson fetched and Seattle had to
send him to Denver. They didn't have a choice where
to send him because that's where Russell picked. He had
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beeto power. Derek doesn't. So you know, to go back
to your hole. What is a reporter? There are some
things we are able to get information. We're privy to stuff.
I was mentioning two weeks ago. Josh McDaniels is in
trouble and Derek Carr could be on the block. There
are teams that would bend over backwards for Derek Carr. Oh,
I know, he's not great. He was very good last year.
He is a very veteran quarterback. He don't have to
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worry about any of that young guy stuff. And he
has shown time and time again in chaotic situations laser focus,
keep the team afloat. There's a big market for him,
and I think Derek's to the point now he is
exhausted from it. You can on the open market. He
would fetch stuff. The Raiders may not want to reboot.
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It's very exciting. Get a new Raiders to fix that defense?
How do you do it? Get some draft picks? But
there's also the whole Josh McDaniels situation. Who if you
are the Raiders, do you want to say, hey, we're
all in on Josh McDaniels for the immediate future, or
we're ready to We've seen enough of Derek cart Let's
move on and get a new quarter. What are you
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called New England and say give me mac Jones, you
keep Bailey zappy. I don't know if that's true. I
just threw it out there. You're you kind of listen McDaniels.
Could McDaniels is gonna have options? Yeah, he did know
Jimmy Garoppolo intimately from his time in New England. He
knows Mac Jones. Yea. He might say I love Bryce
Young or one of these quarterbacks at the top, I
get a quarterback on the rookie deal, and then all
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these salaries don't matter. Quarterback on the rookie deals. Huge Colin.
This is the team to watch right now. Here's the
player to watch in the NFL this off season. They
do a whole segment on this. Brian Dabele could use him.
Robert Sala could use him. How about the Indianapolis colt
to have had five different starting quarterback They can't afford
him on week in week one days, Jets is very tasty.
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How would they be with Derek car Now with that
defensive line. Arrett Wilson emerging as a receiver. There, listen,
I'm not out on Zach Wilson. I know a lot
of people. He hasn't looked great through sixteen games. Let's
move on. I don't want to get in trouble with anybody.
Patrick Mahomes Colin off back to back four hundred yard
passing performances against the Niners and Titans. Mahomes twenty six
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hundred and five passing yards this season, on pace to
break the NFL record that Peyton Manning had back in
twenty thirteen. Here are the numbers that we'll see him
on the screen. Peyton's number one, Drew Brees two, Brady
Brady Brees, and Mahomes is on pace to shatter all
of that. It's interesting because all I heard was Josh
Allen is gonna be the MVP. Josh Allen has got
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to be the MVP. Well, Josh Allen, butter, Josh Allen's
got a defensive coach. They still don't have a consistent
run game, whereas this is the advantage of an offensive
coach that there's a lot of nuance. I mean, you
gotta give Andy Reid crudit. He's rebuilt the old line
in the receiving corps in back to back years and
they haven't missed a beat. Yeah, that is understanding offense
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and old line in one year they rebuilt it. And
by the way, they hit on the center. They went
and bought guards. People thought they overpaid. Hey, by the way,
you know they lost his decent receiver named Tyreek Hill,
who leads the NFL most receiving yards through nine games
in the history of the sport. And Patrick Mahomes is
still shredding Travis Kelsey, Jujusmith Schuster looks like a player
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Valdez scandaling is Okay, they're gonna incorporate more Kadarius Tony. Listen.
I know Jalen Hurts is probably the MVP leader now
because they're undefeated. But Patrick Mahomes has got to be
in the name. There are three quarterbacks right now, Mahomes,
Alan and Burrow that feel like they've kind of kind
of separation. No, people are detecting your Cincinnati love. Okay, Well,
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it's obvious that this Joe Burrow fascination. I know he's
been good. You're putting him in the Mahomes category already.
I said he's he's very special. He doesn't have Andy
Read as a coach. He doesn't have Travis Kell. Doesn't
have the worst coach of any good quarter Wow. Hello,
I don't know if you have. I don't want to
say that. I think Zach Taylor is a bright guy.
I don't I don't know. I don't know how great
he is. You got to do a super Bowl. You
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can't be a dud and get a team to a
super Bowl. All right, let's move on. Um. Golden State
Warriors in the NBA oh snapped that losing streak last night.
They were down like seventeen to the Kings. Pool just
sat and watched let's curry. Let's not take jobs at
Jordan Pool. He's a nice guy, um, but a gentleman
by the name of Steph Curry. I liked the Nick
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game from m Shannon Chirp, Stephen f and Curry seven points,
eight rebounds, eight assists and oh, by the way, zero turnover.
He's had a great He's had a great year. He's unbelievable.
I know the Warriors are sputterings. He has not been
the problem. Oh no, he's been great. We both know.
The problem is this. You know, they're working in the
young guys, Kominga, Coominga's not playing much. By the way,
Jordan Pool last night got nothing. What happened to Moses Moody.
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I thought he was gonna get rid of Well, they're
down seventeen. We're not playing these guys. So the interesting
thing is Kirk came out, we're gonna put Cominga in
the rotation. I don't know if you saw that. Well
they tried that last night. I had that workout and
instantly it's all right, we need Curry. Andrew Wiggins had
a good game, Colin, Are they a sneaky Anthony Davis team.
Is there a way that the worriers say, we've seen
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enough of Wiseman and company, Well, I need a veteran.
We want to go back to back. I think there is.
I do. I do think there is. Lakers would save
a lot of money getting Anthony Davis off the books.
Give us Moses Moody. You're gonna have to find a contract.
You need some cap filler. Give me, give me Wiseman, Moody,
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Draymond and A two draft picks. You think they're giving
up Draymond, Well, I'm just saying you gotta you're not
gonna give up Wiggins or step how Tick would Draymond
be from the Penthouse. I'm just saying, if you want
to make that deal. I'm not saying I would make
the deal. I'm saying, if you want salaries, have to
do a have to find you could do Clay Thompson,
But he and Steph are like you know, his dad
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played for the Lakers. Michael, I know, I know very
well Clay Lakers. Clay Thompson would be great with Lebron.
Lebron would love it. I think that's not a It's
really interesting Clay Weissman in a couple of picks Boy
Anthony Davis, Clay Wiseman Kaminga in a couple to Finnipick Warriors.
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So listen. Pete Carroll and the Seahawks are feeling pretty
good about it. They got dumped on for a couple
of years for the Russell Wilson stuff, and myself included
thought Russell wasn't being helped by their defense and lousy
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draft picks. I still think that's true. The defense got
really bad last four or five years. But Pete took
another kind of jab at Russell Wilson after they had
another victory. He said, you know, Geno Smith's going off
the wristband big help smooth things out, sped things up,
clean things up. We never did that before. There was
a resistance to do that, so we didn't do it before.
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They're feeling themselves. I will say this, though, is that
the NFL's a copycat league. So there's been mixed results
on ditching a star quarterback. Detroit traded Stafford. They're not
the same team. New England lost Brady they're not the
same team. Atlanta moved off Matt Ryan. They were bad
last several years, they're not great now. And Seattle moved
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off Russell Wilson. Got a boatload of picks, and they're
way better. It's a copycat league. Generally speaking, don't move
off a star quarterback. But again Seattle did say what
you want about Rossi's a star quarterback, and they're better
today and perhaps better for it long term. This is
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where Derek Carr gets really interesting, because we got If
you look around this league right now, I can name
the teams I wrote them down today, Commanders, Tech, some Lions, Carolina, Saints, Colds, Jets,
maybe the Giants, presumably not. I think they're gonna keep
Daniel Jones. I wouldn't long term, but I think I
think they're all the things they're saying they will. You
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don't think they're better with Derek Carr. Remember the Raiders
are currently picking third. What do they need draft picks
to get a better defense? Right? And also it's Vegas.
It's a new team. They've had Derek for years and years.
He's increasingly frustrated. As Jamac told you ten minutes ago.
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He's got some veiled shots at people inside the organization,
massive chaos, six coaches, nine years, and there's a market
for Derek Carr. What were the Jets do for Derek Carr?
I mean, Robert Sala's not going to go into year
three with Zach Wilson if they continue to manage around him.
It's a great win. But defense won that game against Buffalo,
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right Sauce Gardner, the pass rush creating turnovers. So I
think this is one of these. I mean, look at
the Saints. They're a mess at quarterback hill Jamis Winston Dalton.
They're a mess, and it's a good roster. How much
better would they be with Derek Carr. You don't think
they give up picks. So I think that the Derek
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carthing when he comes out this weekend, just like Jay
Mack said, and he kind of he starts talking. There's
a reason he's saying that. He wants that to be upstairs.
He wants the owner to hear that. And I want
to pivot to another story. So you know, Jalen Ramsey
was ripping the defense for the Rams after their loss.
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I thought it was very interesting that Sean McVay last
week a story came out that Sean McVay was gonna retire.
He's thirty six years old. I think he was gonna
retire when like Aaron Donald, Jalen Ramsey, Matt Stafford, Cooper Cup,
when they were done, well, three or four of those
guys could be done in four or five years. Why
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would Sean McVay say that it's the same thing. I
think Sean McVeagh wants Stan Cronky to know, Hey, I'm
the one that takes the hit here because I can't
beat Kyle Shanahan. Well, hell, look at that roster. The
Niners have a pro bowler in every unit. I've got
aging stars, good stars, love them. But whenever I hear
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a coach or a quarterback and stories league, they're trying
to get that upstairs. And this is not a shot,
but the NFL. It's really interesting. The Rams win the
Super Bowl, they couldn't keep Von Miller right, they lose
that player, Andrew Whitworth retires, and then they make a
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move on Alan Robinson and it appears to be kind
of a bust. It is amazing how fast in this
league one bad signing, one guy retires, one guy, a
star leaves. You're not the same football team. So the
Rams have and Jalen Ramsey, who's always been outspoken, he
called out the defense. Uh, he called out the offense
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for not being able to pick up a first down
and keep Tom Brady off the field and have some
dogs who gonna go get it. Be like like we
shouldn't come to the sideline after a big stop like
that and our coaches or the other side or whoever
telling us, man, how we gonna need you out one
more time. We're gonna need you out one more time.
But we just we made a big stop, turnover on
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downs with a minute some change left in no time
house for nobody. So again Derek Carr coming out. There's
things that need to be talked about. He's sending that
message upstairs. Sean McVay. By the way, Sean mcvaigh had
a bite after that loss. Things have to change. You
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know this, These are messages. Now what does it say?
It tells me Sean McVay, Probably we want OBJ Sean
McVay Sunday. This sounds like I'm not happy with two
two out, Well, bust, I'm not happy with Alan Robinson.
I want ob J. Here's Sean after that loss, changes
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have to be made. Adjustments have to be made. We
can't continue to go on like this, and you know
what that looks like. I don't necessarily have the exact
answers right now. I'm a big part of this. I
have to do better. We're gonna stay connected throughout this,
but we do have to be able to look inward
and figure out what are some of the solutions, changes, adjustments,
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different things that we have to do to be able
to get different results in different production from our offense.
And I think this ready comes down to Derek Carr.
Anytime the Raiders lose, who takes the hit? Derek Carr
and Derek sitting there thinking, wait, time out, I'm the
life preserver for this franchise. Who takes a hit every
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time the Rams lose? Oh about boy genius McVey. McVay
is like time out. Look at that Seahawk draft, Look
at that Niner roster. Why am I taking the hit
for this stuff? So I you know, and I, by
the way, Sean's right, that Niner's roster, it's sick. I mean,
they got they got Pro Bowl level players, corner, safety, linebacker,
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rush end, tight end, offensive line, wide receiver. Now McCaffrey.
So message being sent by McVeagh and Derek Carr. Oh, yes,
very little track? Are you very little dead cap money
next year? Yeah? I didn't know that potential out after
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twenty twenty two. So next offseason five point six in
dead caps. They could they could just dump him and say,
Derek go go play wherever you want and the Raiders
Raiders need. They're not gonna fire Josh McDaniel, But can
they get right now? They pick third, they get three
or four draft pick now with a new GM, not
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the other GM. A new GM Josh McDaniels is probably
still calling the shots there right. I mean, I think
I think it's a better working relationship than Gruden and Mayock.
That would be my guest, because they're two New England guys,
so they've been friends for a long line. They're all
by the way, they're in this puppy together. Like Gruden
had the power Mayock didn't. These guys are in it together.
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There's talent on this team. How about the Chandler Jones.
They picked him up half a sack this entire season.
What a bust. It's been awful. That's on the GM.
That's not gonna be on. Josh McDaniels, it's very exciting
this offseason speculation stuff so good. Fun. Ten years ago
in the NFL, just people just didn't make that. All
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these young gms, it's it's like the NBA, but like
on steroids. Hour three coming up next
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the very latest rumors. Now, we talked about this yesterday.
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Bill Simmons, my friend came out and said he keep
your eye and Anthony Davis moving and people said, well,
Bill's not a reporter. And my takeaway as well, what
is a reporter? Bill has access, Bill makes calls, Bill
says something that's report. I'm not saying every as a
reporter saying what is it? I mean, if you have
contacts and you make a call. I have friends like that.
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They're in the business, they're opinionists or podcasters, but they
have contacts. In front offices. They have buddies or friends.
And if you say something and I trust your opinion,
is that reporter, So I guess they're You know, as
a guy who worked at a newspaper, there is a
vetting process. So if I go to my editor and say, hey,
I called up just Daryl Morey and he told me
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this off the record, can we run with it? Usually
you need a second source because Daryl Morey could be
trying to smoke you to get something out. That's the rule, right,
But you know where am I a lot of my
like For instance, this week, I have two dinners over
a cocktail. You lubricate the situation. Stuff flows right boom?
Is that reporting? I think it is. No, It's called
an informed opinion, right, all right, that's what I do.
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You get informed opinions? Yes, well I try to get
that with some NFL games didn't work out so well
last week? All right? Perhaps coming forward? All right, here
we go. They spend a lot of time on this,
probably too much. Says a lot about my social life.
Here's my herd. Hierarchy heard hierarchy. The top ten NFL
teams according to College number ten Vegas can't figure them out.
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We can the Seahawks listen four game winning streak and
they've won each game by over ten points. They're blowing
out teams. They have the number one defense in the
league since Week six, and they have forty three scoring drives.
Why Kenneth Walker great left tackle. Only the Ravens have
more scoring drives this year in the league. Folks, I
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think they're for real. They're young, They're Pete Carroll's kind
of team. Gino Smith is playing way above anything we
thought Geno Smith could be. Seahawks deserve ten, maybe higher.
Number nine. You watch the Ravens last night. You tell
me that's not a top ten team. Third straight win,
second best turnover differential in the league, a top five offense.
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By the way, look at their schedule. Jamax said this earlier.
It is a lot of double us. I just think
this team, the owner, the GM, the coach, the quarterback.
I like everything about him. I don't even know why
I doubted him last night. Shame on me. Big spots.
They always come to play, they're physical, and you know
what I think about Lamar Jackson. Pay him now, don't wait.
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Number eight the Dolphins is it? Ta is it? Tyreek Hill?
Is it both? They're six and oh one. Two is healthy.
I don't think their defense is playing up to par.
But they've got people in the right spot, left tackle,
edge rusher, star receivers, nice corners. Do you know two?
It leads the NFL and passer rating. Now, some of
that's nonsense. I mean, in a last night Dalton's passer
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rating wasn't I think it's QBR. Wasn't that much worse
than lamar So passer rating QBR? I don't know. All
I know is this, They're great on third down. They're
not asking two to do stuff he can't do. My
Amy looks the part. Now, Josh Allen's all banged up.
We know the Patriots don't have the weapons on the outside.
I think it's a playoff team. I wouldn't want to
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play him in Miami. I gotta have the Dolphins at eight,
number seven, Dallas Cowboys, listen. I like Dak, don't love him,
but man, they got a lot of nice pieces. The
edge rusher, the star linebacker, the star back, star receiver,
star corner. They have the best sack differential in the
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NFL and they have seven giveaways all season. I'll say
this for dak He doesn't turn it over. They don't
put the ball in the carpet. If you win the
turnover battle in this league, you win like three out
of four games. Dallas has earned it. I have my
misgivings about Mike McCarthy. That'll probably surface in a big
postseason game or a late season game. But right now,
Dallas is seven, number six. I like Minnesota in the preseason.
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I like him now now they're six and oz and
one possession games. You're not gonna win all of those.
But TJ. Hawkins and feels like an absolute in division
steal at tight end. They're on a six game winning streak.
They have a pass rush this year. Last year they
fell apart physically. This year they're healthier. They have a
four and a half game lead in their division, so
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they'll be able to maybe rest starters post Thanksgiving. Vikings
at six, number five the Bills. I moved him down
last week. I moved him down again this week. They're
too dependent on Josh Allen. Do you know he has
eight picks and thirteen turnover worthy plays. Only Matt Ryan's
got more. I love him, but you gotta give even
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your star quarterback help that's why that's why Kansas City
always has some semblance of a run game behind Mahomes. Yes,
they have the number one total offense. Yes they're the
Mike Tyson of the league. They knock out people. But
if you're looking for playoff teams that will succeed, you've
got to have some nuance and can't be totally dependent,
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even if the guy you're dependent on, as Josh Allen
bills at five, number four Niners. In my opinion, when
healthy have the best roster in the league. Do you
know they have the fewest third and outs in the
NFL And you don't like Garoppolo and he hasn't had
many of his weapons. Now they're getting healthy. Here comes
their full buck, Here comes Deebo Samuel, here comes Elijah Mitchell.
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Number one total defense, fewest three and outs. They're just
banged up. I don't know what it is, but they've
been banged up for three or four years with Kyle Shanahan.
But they're getting healthy. Watch out number three, a team
today that I think ends up in the AFC Championship
against Kansas City Cincinnati. If they can run the ball,
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Chiefs could be in trouble. But it's been inconsistent. Most
underrated defense in the league. They just don't have stars,
so you don't talk about him. Joe Burrows completing seventy
percent of his throws. When you can crush people without
Jamar Chase, what does it tell you? Burrow leads the
NFL since Week one and twenty touchdowns. Again, this is
a really good defense without stars. Maybe I'm overvaluing them,
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but I think when they're at their best, Kansas City
could be in trouble. Number two the Chiefs Chiefs are
great in Andy I trust in Patrick Mahomes, I trust,
but opposing quarterbacks are averaging a one on one passer rating.
How would Joe Burrow do? I worry about the back
end of their defense? They also start slowly now Cincinnati
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does two, but Kansas City has this history their four
and oh this year when they trail by eight plus points.
Why would they trail by eight plus points an apathy?
Do they save plays for later? I do think right
now they should be favored to get to the super Bowl,
but Cincinnati could be a really interesting matchup for them.
They've got the defense that will travel well to Arrowhead
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KC two. Number one, what do you want me to say,
I didn't think Nick Sirianni could coach. I had my
doubts about Jalen Hurts. Now here's what worries me about Philly.
They've won the turnover battle every week, and as Jason
and I have talked about, that's kind of random, like
some years the fumbles go your way, some years the
fumbles don't. But they're also creating some of those turnovers.
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But I like there. We said before the season, we
picked him to win their division. Their old line D
D line combination could be the best in the league.
I think they've earned the number one spot. I don't
know if they'd match up in a shootout with the
Chiefs or the Bills or the Bengals, but right now
they're number one. All right, j Mack, your Jets, we're twelve.
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The Giants were eleven, in a word, devastated. I don't
know how I'm going to rebound from this. First of all,
Miami Dolphins at eight, Are you kidding me? They can't
stop anybody? Cincinnati Bengals at three. I said, I've said enough, Well, listen,
this is not the standing. I know. I'm well aware
of the How's this Seattle loses in Germany. Jets on
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the Bye Jets slide in at ten on the Bye Baby.
Nick right, Well, Nick, hell be satisfied. I've been dropping
Buffalo for back to back weeks. They're too cocky, They're
too Josh Allen driven Nick right now joining us co host.
First things first, you know, it is interesting what I
love about Kansas City is they're the best come from
behind team of my life. I mean, even Brady you
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didn't like him falling behind? Does it? Does it concern
you a little though? That they get behind a lot?
It's just kind of their makeup. Well, what concerns me
is that, even as you elevate them, the whole chief
segment of Hurd hierarchy was just the Bengals segment Part two.
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I mean I am I am a running list now
of the teams that Colin Cowherd has either implied or
outright said would give Kansas City problems. Chiefs the to
be worried. It started with the Broncos in the preseason.
It briefly was the Chargers, then it was the Bills.
Now it's the Bengals. Here's an idea, Colin, the team
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with the best quarterback ever and the best coach currently
is probably going to be the favorites and the best team.
I understand the Bengals got him last year, something Buffalo
cannot say, even though everyone pretended they did. And I
give them all the credit in the world. And I
like Joe Burrow almost as much as you do. I
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think Cincinnati's really good. But I would be concerned about
the Chiefs falling behind if they didn't have the best
come from behind quarterback in the history of the league.
And that's not an exaggeration. Nobody else in NFL history,
even Brady wins forty percent of their games when they
trailed by double digits. Mahomes wins sixty percent of his
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games when he trails by double digits. It's remarkable. I
do think there's an element of in they get down,
especially if it's late, they abandon the run game entirely,
and I think that helps them. I think when it's
just put the ball in Mahomes' hands, if we need
to run, he will run for us. I think that
works quite well. And yeah, I mean eventually you'll have
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them at number one, probably after they're hoisting the Lombardi,
but not a day before. It is interesting the Chiefs
have rebuilt their defense, their A line, and their receiving
corps in three of the last four years. Buffalo can't
build a run game in five. They're so And I listen.
I was late to this because I thought this was
a super Bowl team. But when you what's happening to
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me is Alan has to be Superman. It's like Luca
and the Mavericks, and if he's not, they have no
chance to win. And they may both win the MVP. Luka,
don titch with Dallas and Josh Allen. But you you
were a little ahead of this and you're basking in
this house. Well listen, I just listen. Josh Allen does
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not lead the league. He leads the league a few things. Hype,
you know, a fawning commentary, and turnovers. Those are the
categories of starting quarterbacks. So he is not leading league
in yards or touchdowns. He's not even top five in rating.
But he there are two players in the league that
are top five in the league in interceptions and in fumbles,
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Josh Allen and Matt Ryan. And Matt Ryan lost his job. Obviously,
Josh Allen should not lose his job, but there was
a real debate who the best quarterback in football is.
And the point I have been making is the debate
is who is the second best, And Josh might be
the second best, but it's not unanimous. He hasn't proven it.
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He is there. The Bills look unstoppable when they are
up by twenty one points, and they make a lot
of mistakes when things aren't rolling for them. And I
do think that that he is a punishing, devastating runner.
I think it is categorically insane that they run him
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as often as they do in the regular season. I
know he's big and strong. Mahomes ran on Sunday night
against Tennessee. You know when he did it third and
seventeen in the fourth quarter, down eight, third and nine
in the fourth quarter to score a touchdown. Having Josh
Allen be your primary runner, I think is a recipe
for disaster. So you know, I had said before the season,
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I said, what's gonna happen in Miami. They're gonna bring
this offensive coach, Tyreek Hill, all these weapons, and you're
gonna have a dilemma. You're gonna think you have a
franchise quarterback. But twa underthrown every deep ball, not occasionally
all of them he is. I mean, just every deep
ball is underthrown, and you know, I look at him
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and I'm like, it feels like the coach and Tyreek
Hill are kind of being overlooked here in this equation,
does it not? With Miami? Well, listen, I will give
to a credit in this regard. I and I'm not
sure if you were as harsh as I was, but
I didn't. I thought he was a backup quarterback headed
into this year. I thought this was going to be
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too a last year as the starter. I was wrong
on that. He has proven that he is an adequate,
if not more so, starting quarterback, But the idea that
he should be getting MVP buzz is crazy to me.
I understand they're undefeated when he starts and finish his games,
but the difference maker for Miami, in addition to the
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coach is Tyree Kill. And I know we're not allowed
to give MVP to any position other than quarterback, but
Tyree Hill is halfway through what I think could go
down as the most impressive wide receiver season ever. He
threw on a sixteen game pace. He is on pace
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for one thousand, nine hundred and sixty three receiving yards.
The record is one thousand, nine hundred and sixty four.
That is without obviously getting credit for the three hundred
plus yards of pass interference penalties he's drawn and the
three hundred plus yards he's left on the table because,
as you're saying, a lot of these bombs instead of
going into the end zone, he's coming back forward and
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he's not getting the yard after the catch on because
they are underthrown. I think, Jail, here's the stat that
shows you Tyreek Hills impact two was there last year.
Jayalen Waddle was there last year and was good. Jayleen
Waddle last year averaged less than ten yards per catch.
He was one hundred and third one hundred and third
in the NFL and yards per catch. This year's same
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player seventeen yards per catch, third in the NFL and
yards per catch they are covering. That is partially McDaniel,
That is partially Jail and you know, getting better, but
it is also the defenses are so terrified of what
Tyreek can do that everything else is opening up. I
think he has been the most impactful player in the
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sport other than Michael Parsons and Patrick Mahomes. This year yeah, No,
I have no problem with that. I mean, I don't
think he's gonna an MVP. He's a field tilter. So
I felt like I understood what the Rams did last year.
They're like, Okay, we're gonna go all in. We're gonna
give up pick, We're going all in. And they won
and everybody loves the Niners. Kyle does never ring people
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a lot of optimisms. Seattle. They haven't done anything right
for a long time. So I get what the Rams did.
They went all in in a city that's distracted with
the Dodgers and the Lakers. And then you look up
this morning and you're like, man, they don't have a
lot of picks, and they are they are thin. We're terrible,
(16:38):
I mean, offensively, they're a mess. What do you mean
is it Stanford mcvay's now going public meaning he wants
the owner to hear this. I'm taking the heat. I
need help. What do you make of where they're at? Well,
so I think it's two things. I think they I
don't want to say what they did last year was easy.
It obviously wasn't. Winning a Super Bowl is very difficult,
(16:58):
but they did some levers that other teams are hesitant
to press and you're seeing why this season and those
levers are putting it all on the credit card, mortgaging
the entirety of the future to try to win if they,
I guess one way to look at it is what
a disaster this would have been if they hadn't won
(17:18):
the Super Bowl last year. But they did and so
that you know, the banners fly forever. As they say.
With that said, they are in route Colin to these
single worst Super Bowl defense ever and that's not hyperbole,
that's just the numbers and non strike seasons. No Super
Bowl defending Super Bowl champ in a sixteen game season
(17:39):
has won fewer than seven games except for one. The
ninety nine Broncos went six and ten, but John Elway retired,
so he's like, okay, you won back to back Super
Bowls and the quarterback retired. They still went six and ten.
That's the worst defending champion ever in a non strike season.
The Rams, I think max out at six wins this
(18:00):
year and it's a seventeen game season. Their offense is broken.
Stafford led the league and interceptions last year. He's tied
for second in the league and interceptions this year. That
Cooper Cup can only do so much. And while obviously
their defense played really well for fifty eight minutes on Sunday,
what the defense did on those last two drives, but
(18:22):
certainly the last one against the Bucks was embarrassing. You
knew exactly what you had to defend and they couldn't
defend it, and they let a moribund offense drive down
the field. And I gotta tell you, I don't know
if you've been on this Colin, but your guy Tom Brady,
he have you seen the quarterbacks that right now? There's
(18:43):
three quarterbacks? He would, But if they're the four seed,
the only road playoff games would be against Jalen Hurtz,
who's over one in the playoffs, lost to Brady, Geno
Smith who's never been in the playoffs, and Kirk Cousins.
Tom Brady is gonna go eight and nine and then
host a playoff game and then go visit Kirk Cousins
(19:06):
and then potentially have Jimmy Garoppolo or Geno Smith to
go to his eleventh Super Bowl. And I'm gonna lose
my mind. I'm not gonna be able to handle it.
I see it happening. Is gonna be Daniel Jones visiting
Tom Brady and round one of the playoffs, We're like, really,
and he's gonna win that game, and it's like, wait,
he plays Geno Smith. Now that's what's gonna happen. I'm
(19:27):
telling you right now, that's what's gonna happen. You're not wrong. Hey,
we got a minute left. I've been on this, trade
a d good organization, see Problers two years. You've been
on it. Yeah, before they happen, he's having a good season.
I would move him. I would sit down Rich Paul
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and Lebron and say, fellas, we're moving him. I would
even consider a Draymond Green and Jonathan Wiseman. You gotta
get younger. I would. I would consider anything. You're what
would you do with the Lakers if you ran him today? Okay,
all right? I was opening all of this until the
main piece coming back was going to be Draymond Green
and Wiseman who hasn't played ten good NBA minutes yet.
(20:09):
I would. I would not do that trade Colin Coward,
but am I listen? Lakers are a wreck and trading
Ross is not gonna fix it. And yeah, they might
have to trade Anthony Davis if it has come to that,
I know he just signed an extension, then rob Polinka
should resign in embarrassment. The Los Angeles Lakers where it
(20:33):
won the championship and everyone's like, oh, it was in
the bubble. They were the number one seed before the
bubble and no one in the bubble even threatened them.
They ran through the West in five games. The next year,
they had the second best record in basketball until Lebron
got hurt and then the season went to hell, they
losing Round one. Polinka then made the choice, I know
(20:53):
everyone's like Lebron made him do it. Lebron couldn't get
him to hire Tylu. The idea that Lebron is the
one calling in these trades is absurd. But robuster a
team that had won the title and had the best
record in the West until guys got hurt and then
it was a disaster, and now this year is even worse.
They forgot to add shooting. You were talking about going
to the grocery store earlier and buying Garley friends, they're
(21:15):
they've been cooking for Thanksgiving. They forgot the turkey. Shooting
is kind of important in the modern NBA, and now
you might have to trade, a top seventy five all
time player who should still be in his prime because
you have no other path forward. It's mortifying that the
Lakers are in this position. That's just my opinion. I
understand that Kurt, and you know, Kurt Rambis is the
(21:37):
real shot caller there, so maybe he sees something different
than me, but I think it's absurd. Yeah. First things.
First is the show. It is electric and the only
show on cable TV with no budget. It's it really incredible. True,
none could use a better lead in. But aside from that,
no complaints. See you, you big jerk and Nick right,
(21:58):
I love it all right, good stuff. We take a
break in a second. You know, I got a lot
of things going on here today. Should I read a spot?
Let's do that Wolf and Shephard. That is gonna be
funny Brady against Daniel Jones, then Geno Smith and Kirk Cousins.
That made me laugh because that's gonna happen eight and
nine into the playoffs and your Jets won't make it
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and they'll be like ten and seven. You bite your tongue,
do not say that one more. Herd. The Herd streams
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Jay tells me, I don't think Vegas can quite figure
(23:03):
when Vegas has confused. You know you're a surprise team
or what is Tampa Bay right now? Not great? Seattle's
gonna beat that. Seattle's great. No, No, Seattle is a
very good team, top ten team, but Vegas doesn't know
what to do with them because they keep making them
underdogs to Arizona. And if you'll watch the eight quarters
I did, Seattle was better than seven of them. J
(23:23):
Mac with the news, No no turns. This is the
herd line news all right. Speaking of bad teams, the
Las Vegas Raiders another brutal loss. They blew a seventeen
point lead against the Jaguars. Con It's the third time
this season Josh McDaniels and Derek Carr have blown a
seventeen point lead, and Carr he said some things that
(23:47):
were a little curious. Here's what he said after the game.
You know, I think there was a lot I want
to say, you know, but if I'm honest, I don't
need to say it here. There are things that will
be said. There are things that need to be addressed
in all these things. But I think as a whole,
the urgency part of it. After thirty minutes of football,
we have to learn that the game is not over.
I have some big, strong opinions on Derek Carr. I'm
(24:10):
so glad you did this story. J macka. Do you
want me to read the rest of his quarter or no? No,
keep going, keep going. There are things in house that
we will talk about, man to man and all that
kind of stuff that could be addressed. So who is
he talking about. He's not talking about his buddy Davante Adams,
remember his college friends. Davanta Adams had eight for one
(24:31):
hundred forty six in the first half. DeVante is amazing.
Who's the problem here? I think I have to save
some of this, but I think it is time for
both Derek and the Raiders. And you know, I like
Derek Carr, but all relationships, they're not all meant to
(24:51):
last forever. I think I think the Raiders right now
would have what the third pick and you could get.
Don't kid your nine years six head coaches got them
to the playoffs. You could get a lot for Derek Carr.
He saw what Russell Wilson fetched and Seattle had to
send him to Denver. They didn't have a choice where
to send him because that's where Russell picked. He had
(25:13):
beeto power. Derek doesn't. So you know, to go back
to your hole. What is a reporter? There are some
things we are able to get information. We're privy to stuff.
I was mentioning two weeks ago. Josh McDaniels is in
trouble and Derek Carr could be on the block. There
are teams that would bend over backwards for Derek Carr. Oh,
I know, he's not great. He was very good last year.
He is a very veteran quarterback. He don't have to
(25:35):
worry about any of that young guy stuff. And he
has shown time and time again in chaotic situations laser focus,
keep the team afloat. There's a big market for him,
and I think Derek's to the point now he is
exhausted from it. You can on the open market. He
would fetch stuff. The Raiders may not want to reboot.
(25:57):
It's very exciting. Get a new Raiders to fix that defense?
How do you do it? Get some draft picks? But
there's also the whole Josh McDaniels situation. Who if you
are the Raiders, do you want to say, hey, we're
all in on Josh McDaniels for the immediate future, or
we're ready to We've seen enough of Derek cart Let's
move on and get a new quarter. What are you
(26:18):
called New England and say give me mac Jones, you
keep Bailey zappy. I don't know if that's true. I
just threw it out there. You're you kind of listen McDaniels.
Could McDaniels is gonna have options? Yeah, he did know
Jimmy Garoppolo intimately from his time in New England. He
knows Mac Jones. Yea. He might say I love Bryce
Young or one of these quarterbacks at the top, I
get a quarterback on the rookie deal, and then all
(26:39):
these salaries don't matter. Quarterback on the rookie deals. Huge Colin.
This is the team to watch right now. Here's the
player to watch in the NFL this off season. They
do a whole segment on this. Brian Dabele could use him.
Robert Sala could use him. How about the Indianapolis colt
to have had five different starting quarterback They can't afford
him on week in week one days, Jets is very tasty.
(27:02):
How would they be with Derek car Now with that
defensive line. Arrett Wilson emerging as a receiver. There, listen,
I'm not out on Zach Wilson. I know a lot
of people. He hasn't looked great through sixteen games. Let's
move on. I don't want to get in trouble with anybody.
Patrick Mahomes Colin off back to back four hundred yard
passing performances against the Niners and Titans. Mahomes twenty six
(27:25):
hundred and five passing yards this season, on pace to
break the NFL record that Peyton Manning had back in
twenty thirteen. Here are the numbers that we'll see him
on the screen. Peyton's number one, Drew Brees two, Brady
Brady Brees, and Mahomes is on pace to shatter all
of that. It's interesting because all I heard was Josh
Allen is gonna be the MVP. Josh Allen has got
(27:46):
to be the MVP. Well, Josh Allen, butter, Josh Allen's
got a defensive coach. They still don't have a consistent
run game, whereas this is the advantage of an offensive
coach that there's a lot of nuance. I mean, you
gotta give Andy Reid crudit. He's rebuilt the old line
in the receiving corps in back to back years and
they haven't missed a beat. Yeah, that is understanding offense
(28:07):
and old line in one year they rebuilt it. And
by the way, they hit on the center. They went
and bought guards. People thought they overpaid. Hey, by the way,
you know they lost his decent receiver named Tyreek Hill,
who leads the NFL most receiving yards through nine games
in the history of the sport. And Patrick Mahomes is
still shredding Travis Kelsey, Jujusmith Schuster looks like a player
(28:28):
Valdez scandaling is Okay, they're gonna incorporate more Kadarius Tony. Listen.
I know Jalen Hurts is probably the MVP leader now
because they're undefeated. But Patrick Mahomes has got to be
in the name. There are three quarterbacks right now, Mahomes,
Alan and Burrow that feel like they've kind of kind
of separation. No, people are detecting your Cincinnati love. Okay, Well,
(28:51):
it's obvious that this Joe Burrow fascination. I know he's
been good. You're putting him in the Mahomes category already.
I said he's he's very special. He doesn't have Andy
Read as a coach. He doesn't have Travis Kell. Doesn't
have the worst coach of any good quarter Wow. Hello,
I don't know if you have. I don't want to
say that. I think Zach Taylor is a bright guy.
I don't I don't know. I don't know how great
he is. You got to do a super Bowl. You
(29:11):
can't be a dud and get a team to a
super Bowl. All right, let's move on. Um. Golden State
Warriors in the NBA oh snapped that losing streak last night.
They were down like seventeen to the Kings. Pool just
sat and watched let's curry. Let's not take jobs at
Jordan Pool. He's a nice guy, um, but a gentleman
by the name of Steph Curry. I liked the Nick
(29:31):
game from m Shannon Chirp, Stephen f and Curry seven points,
eight rebounds, eight assists and oh, by the way, zero turnover.
He's had a great He's had a great year. He's unbelievable.
I know the Warriors are sputterings. He has not been
the problem. Oh no, he's been great. We both know.
The problem is this. You know, they're working in the
young guys, Kominga, Coominga's not playing much. By the way,
Jordan Pool last night got nothing. What happened to Moses Moody.
(29:54):
I thought he was gonna get rid of Well, they're
down seventeen. We're not playing these guys. So the interesting
thing is Kirk came out, we're gonna put Cominga in
the rotation. I don't know if you saw that. Well
they tried that last night. I had that workout and
instantly it's all right, we need Curry. Andrew Wiggins had
a good game, Colin, Are they a sneaky Anthony Davis team.
Is there a way that the worriers say, we've seen
(30:16):
enough of Wiseman and company, Well, I need a veteran.
We want to go back to back. I think there is.
I do. I do think there is. Lakers would save
a lot of money getting Anthony Davis off the books.
Give us Moses Moody. You're gonna have to find a contract.
You need some cap filler. Give me, give me Wiseman, Moody,
(30:37):
Draymond and A two draft picks. You think they're giving
up Draymond, Well, I'm just saying you gotta you're not
gonna give up Wiggins or step how Tick would Draymond
be from the Penthouse. I'm just saying, if you want
to make that deal. I'm not saying I would make
the deal. I'm saying, if you want salaries, have to
do a have to find you could do Clay Thompson,
But he and Steph are like you know, his dad
(30:58):
played for the Lakers. Michael, I know, I know very
well Clay Lakers. Clay Thompson would be great with Lebron.
Lebron would love it. I think that's not a It's
really interesting Clay Weissman in a couple of picks Boy
Anthony Davis, Clay Wiseman Kaminga in a couple to Finnipick Warriors.
(31:19):
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Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The
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So listen. Pete Carroll and the Seahawks are feeling pretty
good about it. They got dumped on for a couple
of years for the Russell Wilson stuff, and myself included
thought Russell wasn't being helped by their defense and lousy
(32:45):
draft picks. I still think that's true. The defense got
really bad last four or five years. But Pete took
another kind of jab at Russell Wilson after they had
another victory. He said, you know, Geno Smith's going off
the wristband big help smooth things out, sped things up,
clean things up. We never did that before. There was
a resistance to do that, so we didn't do it before.
(33:06):
They're feeling themselves. I will say this, though, is that
the NFL's a copycat league. So there's been mixed results
on ditching a star quarterback. Detroit traded Stafford. They're not
the same team. New England lost Brady they're not the
same team. Atlanta moved off Matt Ryan. They were bad
last several years, they're not great now. And Seattle moved
(33:30):
off Russell Wilson. Got a boatload of picks, and they're
way better. It's a copycat league. Generally speaking, don't move
off a star quarterback. But again Seattle did say what
you want about Rossi's a star quarterback, and they're better
today and perhaps better for it long term. This is
(33:50):
where Derek Carr gets really interesting, because we got If
you look around this league right now, I can name
the teams I wrote them down today, Commanders, Tech, some Lions, Carolina, Saints, Colds, Jets,
maybe the Giants, presumably not. I think they're gonna keep
Daniel Jones. I wouldn't long term, but I think I
think they're all the things they're saying they will. You
(34:12):
don't think they're better with Derek Carr. Remember the Raiders
are currently picking third. What do they need draft picks
to get a better defense? Right? And also it's Vegas.
It's a new team. They've had Derek for years and years.
He's increasingly frustrated. As Jamac told you ten minutes ago.
(34:33):
He's got some veiled shots at people inside the organization,
massive chaos, six coaches, nine years, and there's a market
for Derek Carr. What were the Jets do for Derek Carr?
I mean, Robert Sala's not going to go into year
three with Zach Wilson if they continue to manage around him.
It's a great win. But defense won that game against Buffalo,
(34:55):
right Sauce Gardner, the pass rush creating turnovers. So I
think this is one of these. I mean, look at
the Saints. They're a mess at quarterback hill Jamis Winston Dalton.
They're a mess, and it's a good roster. How much
better would they be with Derek Carr. You don't think
they give up picks. So I think that the Derek
(35:18):
carthing when he comes out this weekend, just like Jay
Mack said, and he kind of he starts talking. There's
a reason he's saying that. He wants that to be upstairs.
He wants the owner to hear that. And I want
to pivot to another story. So you know, Jalen Ramsey
was ripping the defense for the Rams after their loss.
(35:39):
I thought it was very interesting that Sean McVay last
week a story came out that Sean McVay was gonna retire.
He's thirty six years old. I think he was gonna
retire when like Aaron Donald, Jalen Ramsey, Matt Stafford, Cooper Cup,
when they were done, well, three or four of those
guys could be done in four or five years. Why
(36:02):
would Sean McVay say that it's the same thing. I
think Sean McVeagh wants Stan Cronky to know, Hey, I'm
the one that takes the hit here because I can't
beat Kyle Shanahan. Well, hell, look at that roster. The
Niners have a pro bowler in every unit. I've got
aging stars, good stars, love them. But whenever I hear
(36:25):
a coach or a quarterback and stories league, they're trying
to get that upstairs. And this is not a shot,
but the NFL. It's really interesting. The Rams win the
Super Bowl, they couldn't keep Von Miller right, they lose
that player, Andrew Whitworth retires, and then they make a
(36:47):
move on Alan Robinson and it appears to be kind
of a bust. It is amazing how fast in this
league one bad signing, one guy retires, one guy, a
star leaves. You're not the same football team. So the
Rams have and Jalen Ramsey, who's always been outspoken, he
called out the defense. Uh, he called out the offense
(37:10):
for not being able to pick up a first down
and keep Tom Brady off the field and have some
dogs who gonna go get it. Be like like we
shouldn't come to the sideline after a big stop like
that and our coaches or the other side or whoever
telling us, man, how we gonna need you out one
more time. We're gonna need you out one more time.
But we just we made a big stop, turnover on
(37:31):
downs with a minute some change left in no time
house for nobody. So again Derek Carr coming out. There's
things that need to be talked about. He's sending that
message upstairs. Sean McVay. By the way, Sean mcvaigh had
a bite after that loss. Things have to change. You
(37:54):
know this, These are messages. Now what does it say?
It tells me Sean McVay, Probably we want OBJ Sean
McVay Sunday. This sounds like I'm not happy with two
two out, Well, bust, I'm not happy with Alan Robinson.
I want ob J. Here's Sean after that loss, changes
(38:14):
have to be made. Adjustments have to be made. We
can't continue to go on like this, and you know
what that looks like. I don't necessarily have the exact
answers right now. I'm a big part of this. I
have to do better. We're gonna stay connected throughout this,
but we do have to be able to look inward
and figure out what are some of the solutions, changes, adjustments,
(38:35):
different things that we have to do to be able
to get different results in different production from our offense.
And I think this ready comes down to Derek Carr.
Anytime the Raiders lose, who takes the hit? Derek Carr
and Derek sitting there thinking, wait, time out, I'm the
life preserver for this franchise. Who takes a hit every
(38:58):
time the Rams lose? Oh about boy genius McVey. McVay
is like time out. Look at that Seahawk draft, Look
at that Niner roster. Why am I taking the hit
for this stuff? So I you know, and I, by
the way, Sean's right, that Niner's roster, it's sick. I mean,
they got they got Pro Bowl level players, corner, safety, linebacker,
(39:20):
rush end, tight end, offensive line, wide receiver. Now McCaffrey.
So message being sent by McVeagh and Derek Carr. Oh, yes,
very little track? Are you very little dead cap money
next year? Yeah? I didn't know that potential out after
(39:42):
twenty twenty two. So next offseason five point six in
dead caps. They could they could just dump him and say,
Derek go go play wherever you want and the Raiders
Raiders need. They're not gonna fire Josh McDaniel, But can
they get right now? They pick third, they get three
or four draft pick now with a new GM, not
(40:03):
the other GM. A new GM Josh McDaniels is probably
still calling the shots there right. I mean, I think
I think it's a better working relationship than Gruden and Mayock.
That would be my guest, because they're two New England guys,
so they've been friends for a long line. They're all
by the way, they're in this puppy together. Like Gruden
had the power Mayock didn't. These guys are in it together.
(40:25):
There's talent on this team. How about the Chandler Jones.
They picked him up half a sack this entire season.
What a bust. It's been awful. That's on the GM.
That's not gonna be on. Josh McDaniels, it's very exciting
this offseason speculation stuff so good. Fun. Ten years ago
in the NFL, just people just didn't make that. All
(40:46):
these young gms, it's it's like the NBA, but like
on steroids. Hour three coming up next
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