May 9, 2024 • 40 mins
Colin discusses the other NBA awards
Thoughts on the Nuggets-Timberwolves series
More on the Knicks and Jalen Brunson's style of play
Guest: Chandler Parsons
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By the way, somebody agrees with me with the Atlanta
Falcons quarterback situation the hill. I'm going to die on
that in fifteen minutes, so jmack I was looking at
this this morning. Seven of nine take out Brad Stevens.
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That's an executive Awards C one Lucky Executive of the Year.
Take that one out. The other nine NBA awards are
player awards. Seven of nine went to the West. WHOA
So MVPs and Rookies of the Year are West, meaning
the best now and the best in the future are West.
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Top three MVP voting all West, and that doesn't include
Wemby and Aunt who I think will be in the
MVP top three next year. Luca and SGA were in
the MVP near the top, and they're just moving into
their prime. So the West has been better than the
East since MJ. Lebron saved the Eastern conference. He was
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the face of it, struggled to beat the teams out West,
but he was the face of the East. Now he's out,
no longer in his prime. So then if you look
at the East in the last like twenty years, it
feels like it's a lot of teams like Miami or
this year's Nicks, where they're punching above their weight. But
it's not in terms that we don't think Eastern teams
have the most talent. If you go to the top
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three teams with the most like assets in term like
draft capital, those three are all West, okc Utah, and
San Antonio. So the MVP's West most awards, West, best
clutch time staff, West most assets West. Now, Now, are
the gms better in the West? Are the owners better
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in the West? Let me throw this out as a theory,
just kind of a belief, is that the East Chicago,
East Chicago, Detroit, Boston, New York, Philly, DC, it is louder,
angrier media, and they and we all know that gms
and owners listen to sports talk radio, read columnists and
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are affected by the media. And the loudest, angriest media
is all Chicago, East Chicago, Boston, Philly, New York DC.
They take great pride in it. Get this guy fired,
that GM fired, this owner stinks, that guy stinks, and
gms and owners make rash decisions. I look at the
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Eastern Conference of the NBA more as a microwave, and
I look at the West, a softer, less aggressive media.
You're allowed to bake stuff. You're allowed to bake your
NBA team in the West, you can take a few years.
Nobody's gonna fire Malone in Denver. I mean he didn't
win it until like his seventh or his eight year. Okay, see,
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you don't have to make the playoffs. You're gonna blow
everybody out here, blow everybody out. The East Coast has
a louder media, and in the NBA, a star league,
the media creates more rash decisions, less patients. That's why
the best Eastern Conference team in the last twenty years
has been Miami, where you have really strong ownership and
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management that doesn't listen to a lot of it.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
That.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
I mean, pat Riley, you're not gonna fire pat Riley.
Mickey Errison doesn't fire like Spolstra. And so Miami runs
themselves like a Western team, strong executives. Nobody's firing Popovich
r cur if they have back to back bad seasons.
In the East, guy gets run out. And so I
think if you look at the West in the East,
that that's kind of my theory on it. You're allowed
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to be more patient out West. You're allowed to bake
in the oven out West, and in the East, everything's microwave,
make it hot, edible. Right now, let's go not good
enough fire. But if you start looking at the award,
take out the Brad Stevens Award, that's an executive award.
The other nine awards seven and nine they go to
the West, MVP defensive player, rookie clutch, six man coach,
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teammate hustle. Hustle went East. That went Alex Caruso, which
is I don't know if he really hustles more than everybody,
but that's like, I guess it's one of their awards,
So it's my I'm not necessarily saying this is absolutely right.
But it does seem like when you see something over
and over like why is the SEC so great in
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college football? More the soul than the ACC or the
Big twelve of the Pac twelve forever and mostly better
than the Big Ten. Well, a lot of it was
like they're saying it matters more. They didn't twenty thirty
years ago have as many pro teams, so college football
was their pro team and they put their resources into it.
And the footprint of the South, there's a lot of
great high school football programs, so it matters more. There's
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more passion. The money in the South pours it into
college football. The money in the Northeast spends it on
a lot of things. The money in the West, Denver West,
they spend it on a lot of things. The money
in the South goes to a lot of college football coaches, programs, facilities.
It matters more. So there's usually a reason if something
is dominant, like in college sports, why is Ukon so
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dominant in basketball? Well, they've had the best coach. They've
got a coach who could coach the men and be
dominant in the man. He's a great coach. So you
always find these high school programs. In America, we find
a high school wrestling program, they won thirteen to the
last fourteen state titles, and you always find the legendary coach.
That happens all the time in high school. But in
pro sports, when you're firing coaches constantly, there's almost always
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an answer for a trend, especially like a twenty year trend.
I mean, just take one player, a singular player out
of the East, Lebron James. Where are their titles? I mean,
all the dynasties. Warriors were a dynasty, Lakers were a dynasty.
The Heatles didn't really classify as a dynasty to me.
They got real close. But you know the other thing
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I want to say this, so I've been you know,
there's the old saying, are you gonna die on that hill?
It's considered like a bad take and you're gonna die
on it. And I don't think Mike takes a bad take.
So sixty six quarterbacks play a year in the NFL,
I think you have to spend real money on your backup.
I can live with bad safeties. I want a really
good backup. And so Yahoo Sports Charles Robinson wrote this
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column of the six quarterbacks that were drafted in the
first round. Who landed in the best situation? And do
you know who? He put number one? Michael Pennix of Atlanta,
And his argument is he's got a two year runway.
Even as great as Mahomes was, it was a great
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advantage coming in behind a veteran Alex Smith, who was good,
had a history. He can make the playoffs when he
had the right coach. Mahomes could have played as a rookie.
He was more talented than Alex Smith, but they were
going to teach him the system, clean up his mechanics,
and Michael Pennix does need to clean up his underneath.
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Throws his underneath accuracy, he throws a great deep ball.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Now.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
The downside to both Mahomes and Pennis, as the article
points out, is guys want to play right now. Okay,
my kids want a lot of things right now. I
didn't always give it to him. It's okay if you
don't play right now. So he has number two as
Kayla Williams, JJ McCarthy three, Jaden Daniels four, bow Nicks
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five and Drake May six. We would agree on Drake
May six. I don't know how the rest of them
fall out. But again Yahoo Charles Robinson saying what I'm saying.
It's not the worst thing in the world to sit
behind a Joe Flacco for a year, or Alex Smith
for a year, or a Kirk Cousins for a year. Colin,
but they paid him. They didn't pay him four hundred
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million a year. Kirk Cousins didn't make three three hundred million,
four hundred million, two hundred and fifty million. That that
dead cap hit stuff is a lot of fear based stuff.
I think we did something on this about three weeks
ago where for the top five dead cap quarterback hits,
those teams made the playoffs. You can get out of
that really quickly. If Michael Pennix can play and starts
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not this year but the next year, and he's playing
at a high level, Atlanta's not going to be too
worried about that dead cap hit. The Kirk Cousins contract,
by the way, is heavily frontloaded. Heavily front loaded. So
I mean, I think if bo Nicks can play, Denver's
going to be fine this year. I don't think they'll
be Super Bowl fine, but they'll be good. They'll be viable.
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If you hit on your first round quarterback, even if
he doesn't play the first year he plays a second,
You're fine as a franchise. But this idea that what
they did makes no sense. I've said this before. Last
year Atlanta had no quarterbacks and had arguably the best
talent in the division and couldn't make the playoffs. This year,
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they arguably have the two best quarterbacks. Which would you
rather have? If there's any position I have too much
talent at, it would be pass rusher and quarterback. I
can live with that. I can live with. Say you know,
we probably have an extra pass rusher is like saying,
you know, our backup quarterback probably should start really soon.
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I'm okay with that. I'm gonna be okay with that.
That is the hill I'm gonna die on. So now
we have a reputable source, y'ah, who's saying this is
actually the best for the record. It can't always be
about the player. It's okay occasionally if a quarterback's not
getting exactly what they want. Even Tom Brady had to
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deal with Garoppolo for a few years, that's okay. Kirk
Cousins is gonna be a little antsy, that's okay. Nick
Wright was telling me yesterday in the podcast. He said,
you don't get everything in life. Kirk Cousins has gone
to good organizations, He's made a fortune, he's been a starter,
he's been on Netflix. You don't get everything. Brady had
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to sacrifice money in his career. He took pay cuts
this year, kirk Cousins is going to have to be
a little uncomfortable as Michael Pennock sits behind him. I mean,
I'm not gonna lose a lot of sleep on it.
Chandler Parsons. Former NBA players saddle up ready to join
us now live. As we've been talking about a lot
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of things today. You know, it's funny, Jendler. I look
at the Knicks and I'm thinking, Okay, when's this thing
going to end? I mean, Brunson's hurt, OG's hurt, Randall's out,
Mitchell Robinson and I'm like, Okay, these guys can't keep
playing forty five minutes. And then I watch him last
night and they weren't even easier than they won in
Game one. And it's there's a guy that played in
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this NBA for a decade. It's it's almost collegiate like
they're they're punching above their weight every other night. Are
you surprised by the Knicks.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
I'm surprised just because there's so much talent in the
league this year, and when I look at the New
York Knicks rostered, I don't think they have the most
talented roster right Jalen Brunson, and I think partially because
of Julius Randall going out and the injuries that's happened
and the moves they made, that has really opened up
Jalen Brunston's game.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
I mean, he's playing at an absolute superstar level.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
There's not many players still playing that are that are
playing better than Jaylen Brunson right now, which is insane
because he wasn't this prodigy.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
He wasn't this you know for sure, thing Gubs could
have had him for fifty five million dollars.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
That's that's probably one of the biggest botches in his career,
and I'm sure he'll tell you that. But when you
look at the Knicks, it's a classic Thibodeau Thibodeau coach team.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
Colin.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
It's it's they're not the most talented, it's not the
prettiest game, but man, they grind you.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
They defend, they play hard.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Josh Harp has kind of reinvented himself by doing the
same things he's always done, but now he's doing it
on the Knicks, and now he's doing it in the
playoffs and Madisonsburg Garden, and he's finally getting the respect
and love someone like that deserves, just for his.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
Versatility and his toughness and his defense.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
And you can't speak enough about the Knicks before you
get to Jalen Brunson, and he's been an absolute star.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
He's been there everything. But when you've got.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Guys like Deevinceinzo and Hardenstein and Deuce McBrien, I'll be
honest with you. I'm I work in the industry and media.
I just found out about ducem. So are the minutes crazy?
Can they sustain that?
Speaker 4 (12:39):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (12:40):
They've been blessed with good pretty good health with those
main guys. Obviously they had Randall. Mitch Robinson's been out.
Hopefully OG's not a serious injury because they can't really.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Replace what he gives them.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
But they just outworking in the NBA calling it that's
half the battle is playing hard and buying into defense,
and they do both, which is going to give you
a chance to win every single night.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
So I had said, I grew up in the seventies
where there were a bunch of good teams, but no dynasties.
From that point until about five years ago, the league
had dynasties. One in San Antonio, Jordan, Magic Bird, Shaq,
Kobe whatever. And now I look at it and I'm like,
I'm not sure who the best team is. Denver's getting dragged.
I mean, that's the thing. This fight's over. Like this
fight the feels like it's over. And my takeaway is
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I'm surprised. It's one thing if Denver would have lost
in seven, but they're getting bullied. And I thought a
year ago these are the next Spurs. Are you surprised
how completely lobsided Minnesota Denver is?
Speaker 4 (13:41):
I am.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
I mean my preseason picks were Denver versus Boston. I
think those were the two best teams, the two most
poised teams to win right now.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
Phoenix was interesting. I was curious about them.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
The Clippers with Kawhi healthy early on, that was interesting.
But when you look down to it, I never really
trusted the Minnesota Timbosa. I never really trusted the youth
of the Oklahoma City Thunder as well as they've played
in the regular season, playoffs are different and you always
hear this physicality, the intensity, every possession matters. Minnesota and
Oklahoma City are playing better now than they did during
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the regular season.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
So yeah, I think when you look at this matchup,
you look at an.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Offensive juggernaut like the Nuggets, like Jokic, and you look
at the best defensive team we've seen in quite quite
some time, and we're looking at the best defensive team
or the regular season. The best defensive team are the postseason. Now,
you combine that with Anthony Edwards doing the things he's doing.
Karl Anthony Towns haveing big offensive games. They're committed to
their roles, and when you have a star of Anthony Edwards,
it's just such a refreshing guys. It's such a happy
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two way player. Most star players don't do what he does.
They don't give the same effort on both sides of
the floor. So when you have that mismatch of length
and you have guys like nas Reed that have absolutely
blown up this year in six May of the year,
and you have guys like Jaden McDaniels that don't care
to shoot. He doesn't care to score, he just wants
to defend. They follow the scout report. The way that
they've guarded Yoka in this series is beautiful, where they
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kind of play him one on one with a nase
red But then you have the defensive player.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
Of the year and Rudy go Bear floating. They're active,
their length, they're bullying him.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
There's a clip that you probably saw it where Alexander
Walker is legitimately laughing while he's guarding Jamal Murray, just
cutting him off, being physical, and they love it, and
it's crazy.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
I did not see this coming. I made a joke
after the game one. I was like, damn, can you
imagine if the Nuggets get get swept? It could happen,
which is crazy.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Also, Denver is so good offensively, and if they continue
to get stuff from Michael Porter, who's been great, Jamal
Murray's got to be better.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
He's got to be more efficient.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
But as soon as they win Game three, I think
everyone shifts to go, Okay, now what happens.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
I don't think this. I think the series is far
from over, but it is.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Super impressive what Minnesota's done on both ends of the floor.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
You know I had a GM telling me this twenty
years ago. It's not about getting a star. It's about
getting the right star. Who may sacrifice touches, who will defend,
who will be the first guy in the weight room.
There's a lot of great players, this GM told me.
But it's the right star. Tim Duncan was the right star.
And this is not a knock on Luca. But if
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you get if I was an NBA player and could
play with Tatum or Luca, I'd play with Tatum, even
though I think Luca is more dynamic. Ant is a
guy that looks like he likes to be part of
a collective. But he's great. And again, this is not
a knock on Lua. It's his game. His usage rate
is through the roof, and there are times I think
there are players that are like bro. If I don't
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get touches, it's hard. And now because of a usage
rate Chandler, he's hobbled. I mean, can you play now
because he's playing defense now, And I think to myself,
I see usage rate as a negative from my star.
He can be in the top ten. But I look
at Luca's game and I'm like, of course he's breaking
down I mean it's like Harden, of course he's exhausted.
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He's a human being. What do you make of Luca
at this time of the year every year?
Speaker 3 (17:00):
So what is funny that we praise the superstar for
playing defense just because he's.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
So good on offense.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
In fact, just the fact that he's now giving effort.
I will say this, I think this team that Luca has,
this is his best team. I love the moves that
they made. I love the PJ. Washington move, I love
the Daniel Gaffer move. And I even said this earlier
on running Back on our show months ago when they
did this, I said, it's got to be pretty exhausted
playing with Luca because you get stuck watching him. Your
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offense gets stagnant because he's so talented, he's so good
offensively that sometimes you do get frustrated as a teammate
because he's taking these long, low percent step backs. But
when you make them, when when he makes them, it's like,
this guy's unbelievable. But then when he has a night
like he did in Game one, it's like, Okay, couldn't
we get a better possession here in the game?
Speaker 4 (17:43):
Can we get a better look here?
Speaker 3 (17:45):
And we have a guy like Kyrie Irving too, I
think they could offset the pressure and take a little
bit more off him. But I do think the Dallas
Mavericks are a better team when everybody's contributing, when they're
getting something from Tim Hardaway, when they're getting fifteen from PJ.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
Watchers. It's hard to say it would be. It'd be
tough to play with Luca.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
I mean, Daniel Gafford literally just almost set a record
for the most consecutive you know, spoon fed buckets and
his sh of the NBA, So I'm sure he would
disagree with that. But it's crazy how much talent, how
much turnover there's been with these star players. Like we
were talking about Luca, we're talking about Jason Tatum, I
feel like we're talking about Jalen Brunston, We're talking about SGA,
We're talking about Anthony Edwards more so than those guys.
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So I think the league talent wise, is in great position.
And I do agree with you where I do think
it can get a little exhausting playing with these ball dominant,
you know, high usage rate guys. But it is on
him to take better shots, It is on him to
get his teammate's easy looks, and then when he is
buying on the defensive end, when you're best player, like
Anthony Edwards, is playing both with playing defense, that fuels
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your team, that fuels your locker up. So I do
think they're a better team with Luca. Obviously commissed that end,
but you can't take away from his talent on the
offensive ends. He's a generational talent and he's unbelievable, But
I think he just settles a little bit.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
I think he forces. I wish he'd lay off the
refs a bit, but he's an unbelievable talent.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Yeah. By the way, a couple of minutes left. When
Rick Carlisle last night blamed small markets, I kind of
rolled my eyes because most of the big cities Detroit,
you know, Atlanta, Chicago, New York had been garbage for years.
It's small markets have carried the league. But do players
when a call doesn't go their way and LA or
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a New York team are winning, do players do they
think some of them is rooting for the big markets?
Do players think like.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
That a little bit?
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Like the in the play in tournament the Lakers were
in there, we kept saying, oh, the NBA wants the
Lakers in the playoffs. The NBA wants the Warriors in
the playoffs, So there's definitely part of that.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
This season, I ricked my guy. I paid for him
for two years.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
It doesn't make sense because the Oklahoma City and the
Minnesota Timberrogs are arguably smaller markets than the Pacers, and
they're dominating and they're calls and they're playing physical and
they're setting the tone. So I agree that being a referee,
Colin is the worst job in the world. No matter what,
every time you blow that whistle, there's you know, twenty
people pissed it either that think you made the wrong
call right, and when you slow it down with I'm
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also the replay thing. It's a whole nother story. But
that pisses me off too, because when you slow down
every possession in an NBA game, the ref's probably missed
three calls in that possession that weren't called. So yeah,
of course, when you slow it down in HD, it
looks like they did a horrific job. I think as
a coach and a player, all you want is consistency.
All you want is the same physicality, the same hand check,
the same over the back. You want that call throughout
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the forty eight minutes of the game, and when that
doesn't happen, and when it doesn't happen at the end
of the game, it's more magnified and it pisses you
off more so. Are the Pacers losing a series because
the refs? No, they're getting out work. The Knicks are
playing harder, Jen, they have no answer for Jalen Brunson.
Halliburton wasn't very good until last night, So that's the reason.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
But it's not the referees.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
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Speaker 4 (21:02):
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Speaker 3 (21:04):
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Speaker 4 (21:22):
You gotta check us out. I appreciate to get you
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Speaker 1 (21:25):
I'm very busy but I'll come on and say hi,
I know you and Beds good. See anybody Chandler Parsons
good talker knows this stuff. Really talented guy. No, the
big market thing, like, I get fans saying that, but
I mean, if you just think holistically, the Clippers, the Knicks,
I mean, Lakers right now are not in a good space. Detroit, Chicago,
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Philadelphia can't get past the second round. This is a
anti New York take more than it's a you really
truly think the league is rig take. The big markets
have massively underachieved in the NBA. The fact that the
NBA is getting a record setting Hall in their negotiations
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is not remarkable because the talent town's been good for years,
it's the best ever. It's remarkable because the big markets stink.
New York exception, this year has stunk Forever, d ced, Detroit,
Philadelphia can't win big That what's remarkable as they're getting
this Hall when clearly the future of this league is
Oklahoma City, could be Denver, Minnesota. That looks like the
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future of the NBA. It's not big market teams. The
Knicks right now are a great story. But if you
know how much are they going to have to give
up to get a Paul George ra Durant or whoever
they get to go alongside Brunson. So it's I get
fans saying that, but when a coach says it, come on,
just to check.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
You did just say ok sees the future of the NBA,
as I was just saying.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Have you seen there? First of all, they have two stars,
and they have so much draft cap they can miss
on half their picks and still be dominant for a decade.
Speaker 6 (23:04):
They could shell out picks and pick up a star.
Speaker 5 (23:05):
But we saw this with Okac, with KD, Russ and
Harden and they went to the finals. And then Sam Presty,
the genius everybody claims he is, says, I don't think
we can afford Harden, Let's trade.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Him and he Those were if you look at those
if you look at those three players, it was never
gonna work. They got to the finals and they were
That's right. They got to the finals once, but it
was a combustible room of nightclub. Harden hard to play with,
Westbrook and the and the official wanderer of the NBA, KD.
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When you look at situation in life in the rear
view mirror with perspective, that was not a twenty year
team like that. I mean, Kobe Shack and Derek Fisher
didn't last that long. But that fit. You're not gonna
have Harden and Westbrook in a back court. Their personalities
aren't gonna work long term, especially when they were in
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their prime.
Speaker 6 (24:01):
That is the backward of the Clippers now.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
But yeah, I hear it still, by the way, disappoints
us well.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
Injuries, KD and Russ nearly took down the seventy three
win Warriors, I believe, led three to two.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
And when they were all in their prime. Okay, uh,
and they had all that energy and no injuries. I
understood Sam Presty saying let's run it back, but I
think he came to the realization Harden Westbrook both need
the ball. Kd's getting frustrated not getting enough looks with
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time on the clock. So again, what they are now,
home grown and SGA fit perfectly together like low Ego
not as I mean, SGA is a usage Rake guy.
Homegren's okay with that. So and they have more draft
capital now than they had then. So if you look
at OKC now, the construction of a team is the
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key to the team. Yes, it's not just your ross.
What's the construction Minnesota's dominating Denver because of as much
naz Reid, as much the construction of it. Two bigs,
a defensive player in Gobert that doesn't even need touches,
an emerging young star next to an old, high brain
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power veteran Conley. Minnesota's construction of a team is. I
would argue the construct and the coaching is better than
the pure talent to get Conley next to Ant is brilliant,
like the kGy veteran, the mentor next to the exploding
star go Bear that doesn't need touches at all, next
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to Kat who does nas read energy, Guys off the
bench like Minnesota is is that they put time and
thought into this.
Speaker 5 (25:50):
But we'll see how long it lasts. So that leads
me to a question. So, Okasey, you just said maybe
the future of the NBA maybe may Okay, between twenty
twenty four, that's seven more fiveinals to go? Who has
more final trips? Okac or the Lakers?
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Okay, I don't even know what the Lakers Okay, I
would take your window.
Speaker 6 (26:11):
I mean, I don't know if the planet will still be.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Do you understand it? I don't have this in front
of me. Take the bubble year out. What are the
Lakers done in ten years? It's been a rough go
post Kobe and yes, okay, see last year overachieved. We
thought they were way too young. They overachieved. This year
they're overachieving. Or maybe they're not overachieving, they're just good.
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You are what your record says, OKAC? Back to back years,
we're like, wow, this is surprising. Maybe it's not surprising.
They're well running, really good.
Speaker 5 (26:42):
Or they could be the Titans the number one see
in the AFC a few years back, and then turn
into pumpkins in the playoffs.
Speaker 6 (26:47):
See they go Mavericks tonight.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
You think, okay, see is Tannehill and the Titans.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
I'm just tossing that out there to throw fire O
the I. The OKAC fans will hate that, but sorry, not.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
One of your better tosses.
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Speaker 1 (27:10):
So what the New York Knicks and Jalen Brunson are
doing is like movie stuff, right, Like undersized player, ignored
second round guy gets traded to a big city and
then takes them almost by himself, now hobbled and limping
to playoff win after win. You get Cinderella stories in
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college Steph Currie at Davidson, Jimmerferdett Sweet sixteen byu Bo
Kimball Loyola, Derek Rose at Memphis. But that's a one
game setting. But in the NBA, cinderella stories die because
they're seven games series that mostly eliminates wild upsets, bad nights,
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bad official calls the stacked decks win. But the difference
with the Knicks, and specifically this Jalen Brunson style, is
it's almost collegiate that in a league of ambivalence and
indifference at times load management, they play like a college team.
They play hurt, they play hard, they're relentless, they defend.
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Jalen Brunson is not tall, long, physically imposing, a vertical machine.
That's not what he is. He's a grinder with a
game that just keeps getting better. And in a league
of giants. It's a really good story. In fact, it's
a great one. And here's TIBs after last night's win.
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He's a great leader, so I think the players all
have respect for that. When a guy goes out and
is willing to give whatever he has, and so it
says a lot about him. The mental toughness piece is
so important, and so the ability to get through things,
you know, to be at your best when your best
is needed, even when you may not be feeling your best.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
That's who he is.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Another story, this one in the NFL. An NFL executive
told Jeremy Fowler at the Other Place that they suspect
that stubborn Jim Harbaugh would not allow the Minnesota Vikings,
who passed on Harbaugh last year as a head coach,
he would not allow them to trade up to get
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a quarterback. Harbaugh was going to be stubborn, it says
here and Petty Well, that happens all the time in
the NFL. I think what it was. And New England
gave you the key to this. New England had the
number three pick, better than the Chargers, and they acknowledged
after the draft we didn't get any good offers. This
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is a copycat league, and the Carolina Panthers the year
before were aggressively moving up and got burned, and I
think it made everybody in the league a little hesitant again.
And it's a copycat league even when it's not making moves.
So Carolina went big and whiffed, and it looks like
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it has potentially set them back for a long time.
And by the way, if Harball was stubborn or being
petty or whatever, and I don't know that to be true,
and I don't believe it's true, he actually, in my opinion,
did Minnesota a favor because clearly multiple teams could have
moved up for JJ McCarthy and did not, and Minnesota
only had to give up middle a round picks a
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couple of them to move up one spot to get him.
So in this instance, if Harbad did have a chip
on his shoulder with Minnesota, Harbad got a great player.
Minnesota then got the quarterback they may still think they wanted.
Drake may may have wanted and didn't have to waste
draft capital. Heard line news around the corner.
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Speaker 6 (31:48):
Our opponent Big Men's League game tonight. I don't know
what's going on.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
I know you care.
Speaker 6 (31:53):
How about this colin? This first story is absolutely crazy.
Speaker 5 (31:56):
So the draft happened recently and rookie cornerback Terry and Arnold,
very talented player, talked about the process that he went
through as he was drafted.
Speaker 6 (32:05):
On a podcast appearance. Terry and Arnold says.
Speaker 5 (32:08):
The Raiders used a quote coin toss to select brock
Bowers over him with the thirteenth pick.
Speaker 6 (32:15):
Here's the audience.
Speaker 8 (32:17):
They knew that the Raiders the popular that they took me,
and actually the Raiders coach they called me after the
draft and they were like, you know, we actually had
a coin toss between you and brock Bowers and man
it on him.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
I was like, oh wow, I don't know if I
believe that. I think you could tell an athlete who
you wanted to, you know, you say hey, we love you,
we love you. It's a coin toss here, right exactly.
I don't think they actually tossed a coin. Brock Bowers
was as high. The Rams, who draft pretty well, tried
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to move up to get brock Bowers. It's very rare
in league history that you move up to get a
tight end. You can take it tight and you don't
move pieces to get him. Multiple teams try to do
that with brock Powers. I don't think they took a
coin out.
Speaker 6 (33:02):
But according to Terry and Arnold, this was the head
coach told him that it was a coin toest. Now
did he literally figuratively?
Speaker 5 (33:10):
Raiders assistant GM chimp Kelly told reporters he can't confirm
that at all. So Antonio piers off to a rocky start.
Shall we say talking about First of all, I.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Just tell somebody someone I'm going to defend Antonio Peers.
I have used this through the years, especially now because
my circumstance with a volume. You tell people, hey, it
didn't go your way. It was a coin toss. It's
a nicer way to say, we chose somebody else, and
if you did like them, but it just something was
superior to the other candidate. It's a nice way to
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say it was a coin toss. And that's a way
to say it could have gone either way. We just
went the other way. But it's a coin toss. It
makes somebody feel better, You don't what And by the way,
I would never say that if somebody was great and
somebody wasn't. But if you have too good candidate that
happens all the time.
Speaker 6 (33:56):
What do you say in that case? If somebody's great
and somebody wasn't.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Well, then it's like, you know, we're gonna go in
a different direction. We just we can't say no to
this person. This person is really kind of a different level,
you know. I don't think you have to get into
specifics when you don't hire somebody, when you do hire him,
you're saying, hey, listen, we expect this. You're great, we
love you. Let's keep it going. When you don't hire somebody,
it's like a very best to you. It was a
coin top I like.
Speaker 6 (34:18):
How you get the furrowed brow. Well, it just didn't.
Speaker 5 (34:21):
It didn't pan out, went in a different direction. Next story, Colin,
you're gonna love this. Let's not do thirty minutes, but
we could. Tua ton the Miiloo.
Speaker 6 (34:29):
We'll play this season under his fifth year option.
Speaker 5 (34:31):
He's only gonna make twenty three million dollars guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
That's reasonable while he looks to sign a.
Speaker 6 (34:36):
Long term deal. Jalen Ramsey, his teammate, went golfing with Tua.
Wouldn't you know it?
Speaker 5 (34:41):
Jalen Ramsey posted their golf card on Instagram Stories and
look in there we put a yellow box around it.
Speaker 6 (34:49):
Jalen Ramsey wrote, pay dua on the on the scorecard.
Speaker 5 (34:53):
As to us grinning, I'll just cite some numbers from
twenty twenty three for Tua in a prove it year, right,
everybody wanted to see improving this year. Played seventeen games
pro bowler career high and touchdown passes complete of percentage.
Speaker 6 (35:07):
Tell me more, Colin, tell me more about why they
shouldn't taw too it.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Yeah, I watched him in Kansas City when he couldn't
throw a deep ball because it was windy and cold.
I mean my quarterback to be able to throw a
deep ball, not have every game have to be in
a dome or seventy four degrees. This is the NFL
where many of the best teams playing lousy weather in January.
Don't judge quarterbacks the weather's ideal. Aaron Rodgers ball could
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cut through, Tom Brady's ball could cut through bad weather,
and then Josh Allen's ball cuts through bad weather. It'd
be one thing. If Tua gave me Lamar Jackson's mobility
like Lamar's ball is okay, but he gives me such
dynamic mobility I can you know I'll pay him. But
Tua doesn't give me mobility, doesn't give me a strong arm.
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There's the injuries, though he was healthy last year. There's
gonna be limitations of what I'm gonna pay interesting.
Speaker 5 (35:57):
Okay, so you couldn't beat the super champion Kansas City Chiefs,
we don't want to pay you.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
By the way, it's not that you lost. It's you couldn't. Basically,
your coaching staff got a bad game. No, no, no, no,
it wasn't a bad game. It was the coaching staff
by play design acknowledging. We're not throwing the ball down
the field.
Speaker 6 (36:19):
It's how you lost in negative thirty degree weather.
Speaker 4 (36:21):
Got it?
Speaker 6 (36:21):
Okay? So we talk about process on the show, do
we not too well? One of us says, So if
you don't.
Speaker 5 (36:28):
Want to pay to a and look at the Dolphins draft,
did not take a quarterback this year or last year?
Speaker 6 (36:35):
Interesting, what's the process going on?
Speaker 2 (36:38):
So what are you gonna do?
Speaker 6 (36:38):
You just a play it out twenty three mili. You're
making less than a lot of bums out there, Daniel Jones.
Daniel Jones making double the money. You are sorry about that?
Speaker 5 (36:47):
Yeah, and then maybe next year, maybe next year will
franchise and you tag you no insurance at all for
tuaka going forward.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
Look at all the guys that get paid more than
two Who on that list does it you get paid
more than two?
Speaker 2 (37:01):
A barrel?
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Herbert Lamar, Jalen Kyler, forget de Sean Tyler.
Speaker 6 (37:07):
What about Kyler?
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Kyler is there?
Speaker 6 (37:08):
It's a great deep ball.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
Kyler is an all time talent. Kyler's a Tyler is
a Kyler is a world class quarterback talent. He gives
you hyper athleticism behind battle lines. He got him to
the playoffs.
Speaker 6 (37:25):
He didn't win a game. I gotta check, but I
think to and Kyler are the same number of playoffs.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
How many gms in the league? Come on, Kyler? Kyler
compl he was.
Speaker 5 (37:34):
A great high school player. But by the way, Kyler's
making double double?
Speaker 1 (37:39):
What two way is? He's not double the quarterback. That's
a that's a stupid nobody you know. Double is He's
saying double the staff if I'm.
Speaker 6 (37:47):
Too I don't need I don't need Kyler money, even
though I'm better than Okay Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Most of these quarterbacks that are paid a lot are
worth it. David, we both, we both would say Daniel
Jones is a mistake under the matt Even Dak's forty
million his current deal. I can live with. It's the
fifty eight million he's seeking that. I'm not comfortable with
it at all.
Speaker 6 (38:08):
So go to Tua's take two. What we'll give you,
We'll put you a forty million a year.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
How about how about we you know what they do
in the NFL. When you want to keep somebody it
for a year, you franchise it. Ooh, that's one year.
Speaker 6 (38:20):
That is so disrespectful. Hey, we don't trust you.
Speaker 5 (38:24):
You're probably gonna get hurt again, but we're just going
to franchise tag.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
Kyler Murray made the playoffs in a chaotic organization. Tua
couldn't convincingly win the job early from Ryan Fitzpatrick, who's
now a broadcaster.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Early, so who cares early?
Speaker 6 (38:41):
Tua made the playoffs. Kyler Burray does not have a
playoff win.
Speaker 5 (38:46):
I cannot believe you're going to You're defending Kyler like this,
all right, and.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Again you've made it sound like I don't like Tua
at all. That's not true. I think he's been terrific.
I think he's great at the MIC. He's a grown
up where he's an adult, he's a leader forward. A
lot of things I like about it. But now we're
getting into a different conversation of give him the bag.
No no, no, no, no, no no no. That's that's
like six guys in the earth. I'm giving the bag
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too at that position, and about seven pass rushers and
about ten receivers and two tight ends. You're like that
that bag thing. Pay the latest you can and very rarely,
and the ones that get it deserved. I would have
paid Lebron and his prime whatever the world he was underpaid,
Kobe and his prime, Shack and his prime Barkley. I'm
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talking about this idea that just automatic next guy up.
That's not the way it works. Next guy up doesn't
mean squat to me. And unless I'm the next guy up,
then you just pay him. I wanted them to draft
a quarterback just for the right. I think you're just
arguing today because I don't think you like too as
much as this argument.
Speaker 5 (39:51):
I like the discussion, and I don't. I like the
discussion smart smart TV radio like we're doing.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
I like the discussion, but this next man up, no,
next superstar up. Yeah, I'm not paying him next guy up?
Speaker 4 (40:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (40:08):
All right, So we're gonna save the next story for
later on in the show because we're all right.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by. I
just don't I.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Don't like the term next man up. I like the
term next superstar up. I'll pay Stafford, you know, even
with Jalen Hurts now I think he's the guy. But
it's like without Shane Steiken. Oh no, I don't like
what I saw. Two Hours Flew by Julian Edelman is
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By the way, somebody agrees with me with the Atlanta
Falcons quarterback situation the hill. I'm going to die on
that in fifteen minutes, so jmack I was looking at
this this morning. Seven of nine take out Brad Stevens.
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That's an executive Awards C one Lucky Executive of the Year.
Take that one out. The other nine NBA awards are
player awards. Seven of nine went to the West. WHOA
So MVPs and Rookies of the Year are West, meaning
the best now and the best in the future are West.
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Top three MVP voting all West, and that doesn't include
Wemby and Aunt who I think will be in the
MVP top three next year. Luca and SGA were in
the MVP near the top, and they're just moving into
their prime. So the West has been better than the
East since MJ. Lebron saved the Eastern conference. He was
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the face of it, struggled to beat the teams out West,
but he was the face of the East. Now he's out,
no longer in his prime. So then if you look
at the East in the last like twenty years, it
feels like it's a lot of teams like Miami or
this year's Nicks, where they're punching above their weight. But
it's not in terms that we don't think Eastern teams
have the most talent. If you go to the top
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three teams with the most like assets in term like
draft capital, those three are all West, okc Utah, and
San Antonio. So the MVP's West most awards, West, best
clutch time staff, West most assets West. Now, Now, are
the gms better in the West? Are the owners better
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in the West? Let me throw this out as a theory,
just kind of a belief, is that the East Chicago,
East Chicago, Detroit, Boston, New York, Philly, DC, it is louder,
angrier media, and they and we all know that gms
and owners listen to sports talk radio, read columnists and
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are affected by the media. And the loudest, angriest media
is all Chicago, East Chicago, Boston, Philly, New York DC.
They take great pride in it. Get this guy fired,
that GM fired, this owner stinks, that guy stinks, and
gms and owners make rash decisions. I look at the
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Eastern Conference of the NBA more as a microwave, and
I look at the West, a softer, less aggressive media.
You're allowed to bake stuff. You're allowed to bake your
NBA team in the West, you can take a few years.
Nobody's gonna fire Malone in Denver. I mean he didn't
win it until like his seventh or his eight year. Okay, see,
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you don't have to make the playoffs. You're gonna blow
everybody out here, blow everybody out. The East Coast has
a louder media, and in the NBA, a star league,
the media creates more rash decisions, less patients. That's why
the best Eastern Conference team in the last twenty years
has been Miami, where you have really strong ownership and
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management that doesn't listen to a lot of it.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
That.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
I mean, pat Riley, you're not gonna fire pat Riley.
Mickey Errison doesn't fire like Spolstra. And so Miami runs
themselves like a Western team, strong executives. Nobody's firing Popovich
r cur if they have back to back bad seasons.
In the East, guy gets run out. And so I
think if you look at the West in the East,
that that's kind of my theory on it. You're allowed
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to be more patient out West. You're allowed to bake
in the oven out West, and in the East, everything's microwave,
make it hot, edible. Right now, let's go not good
enough fire. But if you start looking at the award,
take out the Brad Stevens Award, that's an executive award.
The other nine awards seven and nine they go to
the West, MVP defensive player, rookie clutch, six man coach,
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teammate hustle. Hustle went East. That went Alex Caruso, which
is I don't know if he really hustles more than everybody,
but that's like, I guess it's one of their awards,
So it's my I'm not necessarily saying this is absolutely right.
But it does seem like when you see something over
and over like why is the SEC so great in
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college football? More the soul than the ACC or the
Big twelve of the Pac twelve forever and mostly better
than the Big Ten. Well, a lot of it was
like they're saying it matters more. They didn't twenty thirty
years ago have as many pro teams, so college football
was their pro team and they put their resources into it.
And the footprint of the South, there's a lot of
great high school football programs, so it matters more. There's
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more passion. The money in the South pours it into
college football. The money in the Northeast spends it on
a lot of things. The money in the West, Denver West,
they spend it on a lot of things. The money
in the South goes to a lot of college football coaches, programs, facilities.
It matters more. So there's usually a reason if something
is dominant, like in college sports, why is Ukon so
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dominant in basketball? Well, they've had the best coach. They've
got a coach who could coach the men and be
dominant in the man. He's a great coach. So you
always find these high school programs. In America, we find
a high school wrestling program, they won thirteen to the
last fourteen state titles, and you always find the legendary coach.
That happens all the time in high school. But in
pro sports, when you're firing coaches constantly, there's almost always
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an answer for a trend, especially like a twenty year trend.
I mean, just take one player, a singular player out
of the East, Lebron James. Where are their titles? I mean,
all the dynasties. Warriors were a dynasty, Lakers were a dynasty.
The Heatles didn't really classify as a dynasty to me.
They got real close. But you know the other thing
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I want to say this, so I've been you know,
there's the old saying, are you gonna die on that hill?
It's considered like a bad take and you're gonna die
on it. And I don't think Mike takes a bad take.
So sixty six quarterbacks play a year in the NFL,
I think you have to spend real money on your backup.
I can live with bad safeties. I want a really
good backup. And so Yahoo Sports Charles Robinson wrote this
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column of the six quarterbacks that were drafted in the
first round. Who landed in the best situation? And do
you know who? He put number one? Michael Pennix of Atlanta,
And his argument is he's got a two year runway.
Even as great as Mahomes was, it was a great
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advantage coming in behind a veteran Alex Smith, who was good,
had a history. He can make the playoffs when he
had the right coach. Mahomes could have played as a rookie.
He was more talented than Alex Smith, but they were
going to teach him the system, clean up his mechanics,
and Michael Pennix does need to clean up his underneath.
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Throws his underneath accuracy, he throws a great deep ball.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Now.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
The downside to both Mahomes and Pennis, as the article
points out, is guys want to play right now. Okay,
my kids want a lot of things right now. I
didn't always give it to him. It's okay if you
don't play right now. So he has number two as
Kayla Williams, JJ McCarthy three, Jaden Daniels four, bow Nicks
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five and Drake May six. We would agree on Drake
May six. I don't know how the rest of them
fall out. But again Yahoo Charles Robinson saying what I'm saying.
It's not the worst thing in the world to sit
behind a Joe Flacco for a year, or Alex Smith
for a year, or a Kirk Cousins for a year. Colin,
but they paid him. They didn't pay him four hundred
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million a year. Kirk Cousins didn't make three three hundred million,
four hundred million, two hundred and fifty million. That that
dead cap hit stuff is a lot of fear based stuff.
I think we did something on this about three weeks
ago where for the top five dead cap quarterback hits,
those teams made the playoffs. You can get out of
that really quickly. If Michael Pennix can play and starts
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not this year but the next year, and he's playing
at a high level, Atlanta's not going to be too
worried about that dead cap hit. The Kirk Cousins contract,
by the way, is heavily frontloaded. Heavily front loaded. So
I mean, I think if bo Nicks can play, Denver's
going to be fine this year. I don't think they'll
be Super Bowl fine, but they'll be good. They'll be viable.
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If you hit on your first round quarterback, even if
he doesn't play the first year he plays a second,
You're fine as a franchise. But this idea that what
they did makes no sense. I've said this before. Last
year Atlanta had no quarterbacks and had arguably the best
talent in the division and couldn't make the playoffs. This year,
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they arguably have the two best quarterbacks. Which would you
rather have? If there's any position I have too much
talent at, it would be pass rusher and quarterback. I
can live with that. I can live with. Say you know,
we probably have an extra pass rusher is like saying,
you know, our backup quarterback probably should start really soon.
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I'm okay with that. I'm gonna be okay with that.
That is the hill I'm gonna die on. So now
we have a reputable source, y'ah, who's saying this is
actually the best for the record. It can't always be
about the player. It's okay occasionally if a quarterback's not
getting exactly what they want. Even Tom Brady had to
(10:03):
deal with Garoppolo for a few years, that's okay. Kirk
Cousins is gonna be a little antsy, that's okay. Nick
Wright was telling me yesterday in the podcast. He said,
you don't get everything in life. Kirk Cousins has gone
to good organizations, He's made a fortune, he's been a starter,
he's been on Netflix. You don't get everything. Brady had
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to sacrifice money in his career. He took pay cuts
this year, kirk Cousins is going to have to be
a little uncomfortable as Michael Pennock sits behind him. I mean,
I'm not gonna lose a lot of sleep on it.
Chandler Parsons. Former NBA players saddle up ready to join
us now live. As we've been talking about a lot
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of things today. You know, it's funny, Jendler. I look
at the Knicks and I'm thinking, Okay, when's this thing
going to end? I mean, Brunson's hurt, OG's hurt, Randall's out,
Mitchell Robinson and I'm like, Okay, these guys can't keep
playing forty five minutes. And then I watch him last
night and they weren't even easier than they won in
Game one. And it's there's a guy that played in
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this NBA for a decade. It's it's almost collegiate like
they're they're punching above their weight every other night. Are
you surprised by the Knicks.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
I'm surprised just because there's so much talent in the
league this year, and when I look at the New
York Knicks rostered, I don't think they have the most
talented roster right Jalen Brunson, and I think partially because
of Julius Randall going out and the injuries that's happened
and the moves they made, that has really opened up
Jalen Brunston's game.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
I mean, he's playing at an absolute superstar level.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
There's not many players still playing that are that are
playing better than Jaylen Brunson right now, which is insane
because he wasn't this prodigy.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
He wasn't this you know for sure, thing Gubs could
have had him for fifty five million dollars.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
That's that's probably one of the biggest botches in his career,
and I'm sure he'll tell you that. But when you
look at the Knicks, it's a classic Thibodeau Thibodeau coach team.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
Colin.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
It's it's they're not the most talented, it's not the
prettiest game, but man, they grind you.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
They defend, they play hard.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Josh Harp has kind of reinvented himself by doing the
same things he's always done, but now he's doing it
on the Knicks, and now he's doing it in the
playoffs and Madisonsburg Garden, and he's finally getting the respect
and love someone like that deserves, just for his.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
Versatility and his toughness and his defense.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
And you can't speak enough about the Knicks before you
get to Jalen Brunson, and he's been an absolute star.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
He's been there everything. But when you've got.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Guys like Deevinceinzo and Hardenstein and Deuce McBrien, I'll be
honest with you. I'm I work in the industry and media.
I just found out about ducem. So are the minutes crazy?
Can they sustain that?
Speaker 4 (12:39):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (12:40):
They've been blessed with good pretty good health with those
main guys. Obviously they had Randall. Mitch Robinson's been out.
Hopefully OG's not a serious injury because they can't really.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Replace what he gives them.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
But they just outworking in the NBA calling it that's
half the battle is playing hard and buying into defense,
and they do both, which is going to give you
a chance to win every single night.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
So I had said, I grew up in the seventies
where there were a bunch of good teams, but no dynasties.
From that point until about five years ago, the league
had dynasties. One in San Antonio, Jordan, Magic Bird, Shaq,
Kobe whatever. And now I look at it and I'm like,
I'm not sure who the best team is. Denver's getting dragged.
I mean, that's the thing. This fight's over. Like this
fight the feels like it's over. And my takeaway is
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I'm surprised. It's one thing if Denver would have lost
in seven, but they're getting bullied. And I thought a
year ago these are the next Spurs. Are you surprised
how completely lobsided Minnesota Denver is?
Speaker 4 (13:41):
I am.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
I mean my preseason picks were Denver versus Boston. I
think those were the two best teams, the two most
poised teams to win right now.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
Phoenix was interesting. I was curious about them.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
The Clippers with Kawhi healthy early on, that was interesting.
But when you look down to it, I never really
trusted the Minnesota Timbosa. I never really trusted the youth
of the Oklahoma City Thunder as well as they've played
in the regular season, playoffs are different and you always
hear this physicality, the intensity, every possession matters. Minnesota and
Oklahoma City are playing better now than they did during
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the regular season.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
So yeah, I think when you look at this matchup,
you look at an.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Offensive juggernaut like the Nuggets, like Jokic, and you look
at the best defensive team we've seen in quite quite
some time, and we're looking at the best defensive team
or the regular season. The best defensive team are the postseason. Now,
you combine that with Anthony Edwards doing the things he's doing.
Karl Anthony Towns haveing big offensive games. They're committed to
their roles, and when you have a star of Anthony Edwards,
it's just such a refreshing guys. It's such a happy
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two way player. Most star players don't do what he does.
They don't give the same effort on both sides of
the floor. So when you have that mismatch of length
and you have guys like nas Reed that have absolutely
blown up this year in six May of the year,
and you have guys like Jaden McDaniels that don't care
to shoot. He doesn't care to score, he just wants
to defend. They follow the scout report. The way that
they've guarded Yoka in this series is beautiful, where they
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kind of play him one on one with a nase
red But then you have the defensive player.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
Of the year and Rudy go Bear floating. They're active,
their length, they're bullying him.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
There's a clip that you probably saw it where Alexander
Walker is legitimately laughing while he's guarding Jamal Murray, just
cutting him off, being physical, and they love it, and
it's crazy.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
I did not see this coming. I made a joke
after the game one. I was like, damn, can you
imagine if the Nuggets get get swept? It could happen,
which is crazy.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Also, Denver is so good offensively, and if they continue
to get stuff from Michael Porter, who's been great, Jamal
Murray's got to be better.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
He's got to be more efficient.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
But as soon as they win Game three, I think
everyone shifts to go, Okay, now what happens.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
I don't think this. I think the series is far
from over, but it is.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Super impressive what Minnesota's done on both ends of the floor.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
You know I had a GM telling me this twenty
years ago. It's not about getting a star. It's about
getting the right star. Who may sacrifice touches, who will defend,
who will be the first guy in the weight room.
There's a lot of great players, this GM told me.
But it's the right star. Tim Duncan was the right star.
And this is not a knock on Luca. But if
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you get if I was an NBA player and could
play with Tatum or Luca, I'd play with Tatum, even
though I think Luca is more dynamic. Ant is a
guy that looks like he likes to be part of
a collective. But he's great. And again, this is not
a knock on Lua. It's his game. His usage rate
is through the roof, and there are times I think
there are players that are like bro. If I don't
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get touches, it's hard. And now because of a usage
rate Chandler, he's hobbled. I mean, can you play now
because he's playing defense now, And I think to myself,
I see usage rate as a negative from my star.
He can be in the top ten. But I look
at Luca's game and I'm like, of course he's breaking
down I mean it's like Harden, of course he's exhausted.
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He's a human being. What do you make of Luca
at this time of the year every year?
Speaker 3 (17:00):
So what is funny that we praise the superstar for
playing defense just because he's.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
So good on offense.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
In fact, just the fact that he's now giving effort.
I will say this, I think this team that Luca has,
this is his best team. I love the moves that
they made. I love the PJ. Washington move, I love
the Daniel Gaffer move. And I even said this earlier
on running Back on our show months ago when they
did this, I said, it's got to be pretty exhausted
playing with Luca because you get stuck watching him. Your
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offense gets stagnant because he's so talented, he's so good
offensively that sometimes you do get frustrated as a teammate
because he's taking these long, low percent step backs. But
when you make them, when when he makes them, it's like,
this guy's unbelievable. But then when he has a night
like he did in Game one, it's like, Okay, couldn't
we get a better possession here in the game?
Speaker 4 (17:43):
Can we get a better look here?
Speaker 3 (17:45):
And we have a guy like Kyrie Irving too, I
think they could offset the pressure and take a little
bit more off him. But I do think the Dallas
Mavericks are a better team when everybody's contributing, when they're
getting something from Tim Hardaway, when they're getting fifteen from PJ.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
Watchers. It's hard to say it would be. It'd be
tough to play with Luca.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
I mean, Daniel Gafford literally just almost set a record
for the most consecutive you know, spoon fed buckets and
his sh of the NBA, So I'm sure he would
disagree with that. But it's crazy how much talent, how
much turnover there's been with these star players. Like we
were talking about Luca, we're talking about Jason Tatum, I
feel like we're talking about Jalen Brunston, We're talking about SGA,
We're talking about Anthony Edwards more so than those guys.
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So I think the league talent wise, is in great position.
And I do agree with you where I do think
it can get a little exhausting playing with these ball dominant,
you know, high usage rate guys. But it is on
him to take better shots, It is on him to
get his teammate's easy looks, and then when he is
buying on the defensive end, when you're best player, like
Anthony Edwards, is playing both with playing defense, that fuels
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your team, that fuels your locker up. So I do
think they're a better team with Luca. Obviously commissed that end,
but you can't take away from his talent on the
offensive ends. He's a generational talent and he's unbelievable, But
I think he just settles a little bit.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
I think he forces. I wish he'd lay off the
refs a bit, but he's an unbelievable talent.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Yeah. By the way, a couple of minutes left. When
Rick Carlisle last night blamed small markets, I kind of
rolled my eyes because most of the big cities Detroit,
you know, Atlanta, Chicago, New York had been garbage for years.
It's small markets have carried the league. But do players
when a call doesn't go their way and LA or
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a New York team are winning, do players do they
think some of them is rooting for the big markets?
Do players think like.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
That a little bit?
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Like the in the play in tournament the Lakers were
in there, we kept saying, oh, the NBA wants the
Lakers in the playoffs. The NBA wants the Warriors in
the playoffs, So there's definitely part of that.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
This season, I ricked my guy. I paid for him
for two years.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
It doesn't make sense because the Oklahoma City and the
Minnesota Timberrogs are arguably smaller markets than the Pacers, and
they're dominating and they're calls and they're playing physical and
they're setting the tone. So I agree that being a referee,
Colin is the worst job in the world. No matter what,
every time you blow that whistle, there's you know, twenty
people pissed it either that think you made the wrong
call right, and when you slow it down with I'm
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also the replay thing. It's a whole nother story. But
that pisses me off too, because when you slow down
every possession in an NBA game, the ref's probably missed
three calls in that possession that weren't called. So yeah,
of course, when you slow it down in HD, it
looks like they did a horrific job. I think as
a coach and a player, all you want is consistency.
All you want is the same physicality, the same hand check,
the same over the back. You want that call throughout
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the forty eight minutes of the game, and when that
doesn't happen, and when it doesn't happen at the end
of the game, it's more magnified and it pisses you
off more so. Are the Pacers losing a series because
the refs? No, they're getting out work. The Knicks are
playing harder, Jen, they have no answer for Jalen Brunson.
Halliburton wasn't very good until last night, So that's the reason.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
But it's not the referees.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Yeah, Chandler Parsons, give your podcast a plug your show.
I'll plug here real quick.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
Yeah, we're in year two of Run It Back.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
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And then my co host is lou Will legendary stix man.
So we're on run it's called Run It Back. We're
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Speaker 4 (21:22):
You gotta check us out. I appreciate to get you
on the show.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
I'm very busy but I'll come on and say hi,
I know you and Beds good. See anybody Chandler Parsons
good talker knows this stuff. Really talented guy. No, the
big market thing, like, I get fans saying that, but
I mean, if you just think holistically, the Clippers, the Knicks,
I mean, Lakers right now are not in a good space. Detroit, Chicago,
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Philadelphia can't get past the second round. This is a
anti New York take more than it's a you really
truly think the league is rig take. The big markets
have massively underachieved in the NBA. The fact that the
NBA is getting a record setting Hall in their negotiations
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is not remarkable because the talent town's been good for years,
it's the best ever. It's remarkable because the big markets stink.
New York exception, this year has stunk Forever, d ced, Detroit,
Philadelphia can't win big That what's remarkable as they're getting
this Hall when clearly the future of this league is
Oklahoma City, could be Denver, Minnesota. That looks like the
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future of the NBA. It's not big market teams. The
Knicks right now are a great story. But if you
know how much are they going to have to give
up to get a Paul George ra Durant or whoever
they get to go alongside Brunson. So it's I get
fans saying that, but when a coach says it, come on,
just to check.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
You did just say ok sees the future of the NBA,
as I was just saying.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Have you seen there? First of all, they have two stars,
and they have so much draft cap they can miss
on half their picks and still be dominant for a decade.
Speaker 6 (23:04):
They could shell out picks and pick up a star.
Speaker 5 (23:05):
But we saw this with Okac, with KD, Russ and
Harden and they went to the finals. And then Sam Presty,
the genius everybody claims he is, says, I don't think
we can afford Harden, Let's trade.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Him and he Those were if you look at those
if you look at those three players, it was never
gonna work. They got to the finals and they were
That's right. They got to the finals once, but it
was a combustible room of nightclub. Harden hard to play with,
Westbrook and the and the official wanderer of the NBA, KD.
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When you look at situation in life in the rear
view mirror with perspective, that was not a twenty year
team like that. I mean, Kobe Shack and Derek Fisher
didn't last that long. But that fit. You're not gonna
have Harden and Westbrook in a back court. Their personalities
aren't gonna work long term, especially when they were in
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their prime.
Speaker 6 (24:01):
That is the backward of the Clippers now.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
But yeah, I hear it still, by the way, disappoints
us well.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
Injuries, KD and Russ nearly took down the seventy three
win Warriors, I believe, led three to two.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
And when they were all in their prime. Okay, uh,
and they had all that energy and no injuries. I
understood Sam Presty saying let's run it back, but I
think he came to the realization Harden Westbrook both need
the ball. Kd's getting frustrated not getting enough looks with
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time on the clock. So again, what they are now,
home grown and SGA fit perfectly together like low Ego
not as I mean, SGA is a usage Rake guy.
Homegren's okay with that. So and they have more draft
capital now than they had then. So if you look
at OKC now, the construction of a team is the
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key to the team. Yes, it's not just your ross.
What's the construction Minnesota's dominating Denver because of as much
naz Reid, as much the construction of it. Two bigs,
a defensive player in Gobert that doesn't even need touches,
an emerging young star next to an old, high brain
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power veteran Conley. Minnesota's construction of a team is. I
would argue the construct and the coaching is better than
the pure talent to get Conley next to Ant is brilliant,
like the kGy veteran, the mentor next to the exploding
star go Bear that doesn't need touches at all, next
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to Kat who does nas read energy, Guys off the
bench like Minnesota is is that they put time and
thought into this.
Speaker 5 (25:50):
But we'll see how long it lasts. So that leads
me to a question. So, Okasey, you just said maybe
the future of the NBA maybe may Okay, between twenty
twenty four, that's seven more fiveinals to go? Who has
more final trips? Okac or the Lakers?
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Okay, I don't even know what the Lakers Okay, I
would take your window.
Speaker 6 (26:11):
I mean, I don't know if the planet will still be.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Do you understand it? I don't have this in front
of me. Take the bubble year out. What are the
Lakers done in ten years? It's been a rough go
post Kobe and yes, okay, see last year overachieved. We
thought they were way too young. They overachieved. This year
they're overachieving. Or maybe they're not overachieving, they're just good.
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You are what your record says, OKAC? Back to back years,
we're like, wow, this is surprising. Maybe it's not surprising.
They're well running, really good.
Speaker 5 (26:42):
Or they could be the Titans the number one see
in the AFC a few years back, and then turn
into pumpkins in the playoffs.
Speaker 6 (26:47):
See they go Mavericks tonight.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
You think, okay, see is Tannehill and the Titans.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
I'm just tossing that out there to throw fire O
the I. The OKAC fans will hate that, but sorry, not.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
One of your better tosses.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
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Speaker 1 (27:10):
So what the New York Knicks and Jalen Brunson are
doing is like movie stuff, right, Like undersized player, ignored
second round guy gets traded to a big city and
then takes them almost by himself, now hobbled and limping
to playoff win after win. You get Cinderella stories in
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college Steph Currie at Davidson, Jimmerferdett Sweet sixteen byu Bo
Kimball Loyola, Derek Rose at Memphis. But that's a one
game setting. But in the NBA, cinderella stories die because
they're seven games series that mostly eliminates wild upsets, bad nights,
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bad official calls the stacked decks win. But the difference
with the Knicks, and specifically this Jalen Brunson style, is
it's almost collegiate that in a league of ambivalence and
indifference at times load management, they play like a college team.
They play hurt, they play hard, they're relentless, they defend.
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Jalen Brunson is not tall, long, physically imposing, a vertical machine.
That's not what he is. He's a grinder with a
game that just keeps getting better. And in a league
of giants. It's a really good story. In fact, it's
a great one. And here's TIBs after last night's win.
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He's a great leader, so I think the players all
have respect for that. When a guy goes out and
is willing to give whatever he has, and so it
says a lot about him. The mental toughness piece is
so important, and so the ability to get through things,
you know, to be at your best when your best
is needed, even when you may not be feeling your best.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
That's who he is.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Another story, this one in the NFL. An NFL executive
told Jeremy Fowler at the Other Place that they suspect
that stubborn Jim Harbaugh would not allow the Minnesota Vikings,
who passed on Harbaugh last year as a head coach,
he would not allow them to trade up to get
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a quarterback. Harbaugh was going to be stubborn, it says
here and Petty Well, that happens all the time in
the NFL. I think what it was. And New England
gave you the key to this. New England had the
number three pick, better than the Chargers, and they acknowledged
after the draft we didn't get any good offers. This
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is a copycat league, and the Carolina Panthers the year
before were aggressively moving up and got burned, and I
think it made everybody in the league a little hesitant again.
And it's a copycat league even when it's not making moves.
So Carolina went big and whiffed, and it looks like
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it has potentially set them back for a long time.
And by the way, if Harball was stubborn or being
petty or whatever, and I don't know that to be true,
and I don't believe it's true, he actually, in my opinion,
did Minnesota a favor because clearly multiple teams could have
moved up for JJ McCarthy and did not, and Minnesota
only had to give up middle a round picks a
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couple of them to move up one spot to get him.
So in this instance, if Harbad did have a chip
on his shoulder with Minnesota, Harbad got a great player.
Minnesota then got the quarterback they may still think they wanted.
Drake may may have wanted and didn't have to waste
draft capital. Heard line news around the corner.
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Our opponent Big Men's League game tonight. I don't know
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Speaker 6 (31:53):
How about this colin? This first story is absolutely crazy.
Speaker 5 (31:56):
So the draft happened recently and rookie cornerback Terry and Arnold,
very talented player, talked about the process that he went
through as he was drafted.
Speaker 6 (32:05):
On a podcast appearance. Terry and Arnold says.
Speaker 5 (32:08):
The Raiders used a quote coin toss to select brock
Bowers over him with the thirteenth pick.
Speaker 6 (32:15):
Here's the audience.
Speaker 8 (32:17):
They knew that the Raiders the popular that they took me,
and actually the Raiders coach they called me after the
draft and they were like, you know, we actually had
a coin toss between you and brock Bowers and man
it on him.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
I was like, oh wow, I don't know if I
believe that. I think you could tell an athlete who
you wanted to, you know, you say hey, we love you,
we love you. It's a coin toss here, right exactly.
I don't think they actually tossed a coin. Brock Bowers
was as high. The Rams, who draft pretty well, tried
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to move up to get brock Bowers. It's very rare
in league history that you move up to get a
tight end. You can take it tight and you don't
move pieces to get him. Multiple teams try to do
that with brock Powers. I don't think they took a
coin out.
Speaker 6 (33:02):
But according to Terry and Arnold, this was the head
coach told him that it was a coin toest. Now
did he literally figuratively?
Speaker 5 (33:10):
Raiders assistant GM chimp Kelly told reporters he can't confirm
that at all. So Antonio piers off to a rocky start.
Shall we say talking about First of all, I.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Just tell somebody someone I'm going to defend Antonio Peers.
I have used this through the years, especially now because
my circumstance with a volume. You tell people, hey, it
didn't go your way. It was a coin toss. It's
a nicer way to say, we chose somebody else, and
if you did like them, but it just something was
superior to the other candidate. It's a nice way to
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say it was a coin toss. And that's a way
to say it could have gone either way. We just
went the other way. But it's a coin toss. It
makes somebody feel better, You don't what And by the way,
I would never say that if somebody was great and
somebody wasn't. But if you have too good candidate that
happens all the time.
Speaker 6 (33:56):
What do you say in that case? If somebody's great
and somebody wasn't.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Well, then it's like, you know, we're gonna go in
a different direction. We just we can't say no to
this person. This person is really kind of a different level,
you know. I don't think you have to get into
specifics when you don't hire somebody, when you do hire him,
you're saying, hey, listen, we expect this. You're great, we
love you. Let's keep it going. When you don't hire somebody,
it's like a very best to you. It was a
coin top I like.
Speaker 6 (34:18):
How you get the furrowed brow. Well, it just didn't.
Speaker 5 (34:21):
It didn't pan out, went in a different direction. Next story, Colin,
you're gonna love this. Let's not do thirty minutes, but
we could. Tua ton the Miiloo.
Speaker 6 (34:29):
We'll play this season under his fifth year option.
Speaker 5 (34:31):
He's only gonna make twenty three million dollars guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
That's reasonable while he looks to sign a.
Speaker 6 (34:36):
Long term deal. Jalen Ramsey, his teammate, went golfing with Tua.
Wouldn't you know it?
Speaker 5 (34:41):
Jalen Ramsey posted their golf card on Instagram Stories and
look in there we put a yellow box around it.
Speaker 6 (34:49):
Jalen Ramsey wrote, pay dua on the on the scorecard.
Speaker 5 (34:53):
As to us grinning, I'll just cite some numbers from
twenty twenty three for Tua in a prove it year, right,
everybody wanted to see improving this year. Played seventeen games
pro bowler career high and touchdown passes complete of percentage.
Speaker 6 (35:07):
Tell me more, Colin, tell me more about why they
shouldn't taw too it.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Yeah, I watched him in Kansas City when he couldn't
throw a deep ball because it was windy and cold.
I mean my quarterback to be able to throw a
deep ball, not have every game have to be in
a dome or seventy four degrees. This is the NFL
where many of the best teams playing lousy weather in January.
Don't judge quarterbacks the weather's ideal. Aaron Rodgers ball could
(35:31):
cut through, Tom Brady's ball could cut through bad weather,
and then Josh Allen's ball cuts through bad weather. It'd
be one thing. If Tua gave me Lamar Jackson's mobility
like Lamar's ball is okay, but he gives me such
dynamic mobility I can you know I'll pay him. But
Tua doesn't give me mobility, doesn't give me a strong arm.
(35:52):
There's the injuries, though he was healthy last year. There's
gonna be limitations of what I'm gonna pay interesting.
Speaker 5 (35:57):
Okay, so you couldn't beat the super champion Kansas City Chiefs,
we don't want to pay you.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
By the way, it's not that you lost. It's you couldn't. Basically,
your coaching staff got a bad game. No, no, no, no,
it wasn't a bad game. It was the coaching staff
by play design acknowledging. We're not throwing the ball down
the field.
Speaker 6 (36:19):
It's how you lost in negative thirty degree weather.
Speaker 4 (36:21):
Got it?
Speaker 6 (36:21):
Okay? So we talk about process on the show, do
we not too well? One of us says, So if
you don't.
Speaker 5 (36:28):
Want to pay to a and look at the Dolphins draft,
did not take a quarterback this year or last year?
Speaker 6 (36:35):
Interesting, what's the process going on?
Speaker 2 (36:38):
So what are you gonna do?
Speaker 6 (36:38):
You just a play it out twenty three mili. You're
making less than a lot of bums out there, Daniel Jones.
Daniel Jones making double the money. You are sorry about that?
Speaker 5 (36:47):
Yeah, and then maybe next year, maybe next year will
franchise and you tag you no insurance at all for
tuaka going forward.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
Look at all the guys that get paid more than
two Who on that list does it you get paid
more than two?
Speaker 2 (37:01):
A barrel?
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Herbert Lamar, Jalen Kyler, forget de Sean Tyler.
Speaker 6 (37:07):
What about Kyler?
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Kyler is there?
Speaker 6 (37:08):
It's a great deep ball.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
Kyler is an all time talent. Kyler's a Tyler is
a Kyler is a world class quarterback talent. He gives
you hyper athleticism behind battle lines. He got him to
the playoffs.
Speaker 6 (37:25):
He didn't win a game. I gotta check, but I
think to and Kyler are the same number of playoffs.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
How many gms in the league? Come on, Kyler? Kyler
compl he was.
Speaker 5 (37:34):
A great high school player. But by the way, Kyler's
making double double?
Speaker 1 (37:39):
What two way is? He's not double the quarterback. That's
a that's a stupid nobody you know. Double is He's
saying double the staff if I'm.
Speaker 6 (37:47):
Too I don't need I don't need Kyler money, even
though I'm better than Okay Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Most of these quarterbacks that are paid a lot are
worth it. David, we both, we both would say Daniel
Jones is a mistake under the matt Even Dak's forty
million his current deal. I can live with. It's the
fifty eight million he's seeking that. I'm not comfortable with
it at all.
Speaker 6 (38:08):
So go to Tua's take two. What we'll give you,
We'll put you a forty million a year.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
How about how about we you know what they do
in the NFL. When you want to keep somebody it
for a year, you franchise it. Ooh, that's one year.
Speaker 6 (38:20):
That is so disrespectful. Hey, we don't trust you.
Speaker 5 (38:24):
You're probably gonna get hurt again, but we're just going
to franchise tag.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
Kyler Murray made the playoffs in a chaotic organization. Tua
couldn't convincingly win the job early from Ryan Fitzpatrick, who's
now a broadcaster.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Early, so who cares early?
Speaker 6 (38:41):
Tua made the playoffs. Kyler Burray does not have a
playoff win.
Speaker 5 (38:46):
I cannot believe you're going to You're defending Kyler like this,
all right, and.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Again you've made it sound like I don't like Tua
at all. That's not true. I think he's been terrific.
I think he's great at the MIC. He's a grown
up where he's an adult, he's a leader forward. A
lot of things I like about it. But now we're
getting into a different conversation of give him the bag.
No no, no, no, no, no no no. That's that's
like six guys in the earth. I'm giving the bag
(39:10):
too at that position, and about seven pass rushers and
about ten receivers and two tight ends. You're like that
that bag thing. Pay the latest you can and very rarely,
and the ones that get it deserved. I would have
paid Lebron and his prime whatever the world he was underpaid,
Kobe and his prime, Shack and his prime Barkley. I'm
(39:32):
talking about this idea that just automatic next guy up.
That's not the way it works. Next guy up doesn't
mean squat to me. And unless I'm the next guy up,
then you just pay him. I wanted them to draft
a quarterback just for the right. I think you're just
arguing today because I don't think you like too as
much as this argument.
Speaker 5 (39:51):
I like the discussion, and I don't. I like the
discussion smart smart TV radio like we're doing.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
I like the discussion, but this next man up, no,
next superstar up. Yeah, I'm not paying him next guy up?
Speaker 4 (40:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (40:08):
All right, So we're gonna save the next story for
later on in the show because we're all right.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by. I
just don't I.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Don't like the term next man up. I like the
term next superstar up. I'll pay Stafford, you know, even
with Jalen Hurts now I think he's the guy. But
it's like without Shane Steiken. Oh no, I don't like
what I saw. Two Hours Flew by Julian Edelman is
(40:39):
around the corner. It's the herd.
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