October 9, 2024 • 40 mins
Fox Sports college football analyst Joel Klatt joins the show in studio to preview a huge week of games including Ohio State vs Oregon and Oklahoma vs Texas
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Fox Sports Radio. Here we go our two. It is
a Wednesday, biggest college football weekend by far of the year.
You're talking Texas Oklahoma stuff live in Los Angeles. It's
the Herd wherever you may be, however you may be listening.
Thanks for making us part of your day. Ohio State
Oregon is the game of the year. Oh wait, Texas Oklahoma,
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that could be the game of the year. USC season,
Penn State, that game is magnificent and gigantic. Jmak Briefly,
I just want to read to these names up for
the Jets job. According to Jeremy Fowler, Todd Munkin, Ben Johnson,
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and Bobby Slowick. Okay, this is the Jets. It's a
broken franchise. You need a grown man, you need an Alpha,
you need Mike Vrabel, not three guys who want a
ribbon at the local science fair. The hipsters, the whiz
kids go get a man, a former player who's not
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going to be pushed around by Aaron. He'll take Aaron
out in the parking lot for a attitude adjustment. He
doesn't care about Aaron Rodgers, nor should he. He's an
average quarterback. Vrabel's proven leader of men, a tough guy.
Nobody you conform or you settle it somewhere else. Vrabel
is nobs. He is the best coach available, unlike Belichick,
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does not have to own personnel. All those coaches, by
the way, hired in the twenty twenty one coaching cycle,
think I'm wrong, including two still have a job and
one's keeping it. Dan Campbell a man's man, big, intimidating,
rough around the edges, culture builder. There are times to
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finesse a franchise. This ain't it. Aaron gives you all
the conspiratorial nonsense and the passive aggressive stuff you need.
Mike Vrabel not about hiring another assistant. An assistant's great
when Stan Kronke owns your team and you have a
solid front office. Hey there's this whiz kid that's great.
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Or San Francisco, The York Family Kyle Shanahan, great coordinator,
never been a coach. You have stability in the franchise.
Jets don't have any stability. You have to find a
stability creator, strength, culture, intimidation, toughness, resilience. Mike Vrabel for
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head coach and I approved this message. Mike Vrabel is
the higher. When you have a wobbly, wonky franchise, you
need a guy that comes in and establishes toughness and culture.
I like Rabel more than Dan Campbell, and Dan Campbell's
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the one guy out of that solid class that has worked.
He is the and it wasn't about his schematic xes
and o's and he's a whiz kid. He's an offensive
genius man walks in the door, sets the culture play.
Remember those first early Detroit years with Campbell where they
weren't very good and I would come on the air
and go, I remember a game against like Baltimore. I'm like,
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I don't think I've ever seen a team with less
talent play harder. The Lions were losing, but they were
losing with passion and close.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
This team's a mess.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
I don't I can't remember the last time that a
coach got fired and the game before he got fired.
If they win, their in first place and Jets could
be in first play by Monday night, they fire Salah
and according to reports he blind sided.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Not a lot of those easy get little. So you
have an idea.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
And what's the other interesting thing is Sala's defense. His
side of the ball was brilliant. Aaron stunk. I mean again,
you'd fire Solaf you like, we lost forty eight nothing
and our offensive coach was shut out. The defense was amazing.
Sauce Gardner was hurt, Quinnin Williams was hurt. Minnesota's on
fire totally shut him down. So SLA's defense had a
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great performance. It was Aaron who admitted he stunk, and
you fire him now before.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
The Buffalo game.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Wouldn't you just at least do the Buffalo game and
if you win, you're like okay, and then if you
get blown out you can consider it.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
But it's so Jets.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
It is the biggest by far weekend of the year
in college of football. No cocktails this weekend, clear eyes.
Joe Klatt on Our shou to Wednesday. This is going
to be massive. What's even the second level games are great?
Speaker 2 (05:04):
How you doing?
Speaker 3 (05:05):
I remember a time when you would just just bang
on the franchises that hired defensive coaches.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Remember that, I remember that, Jack, You remember that. That
was years ago. I'm sure it was. I'm sure it
was their occasion. Apparently. Now Aaron Rodgers is terrible and
Robert sala is the same. I like Timko Ryans. We
love we love that. Hut you think Mike Rabel is
going to fix the Jets. He's a man. Okay. I
like those kind of guys. Okay, So then what does
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USC need? They're fine?
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Oh okay, Interesting, the flight got a little bumpy over
Des Moines, did it?
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Did it?
Speaker 2 (05:40):
I'll get to that in a second. Okay.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
First of all, Ohio State Oregon. So let's let's go. So,
Ohio State's got as good a talent as anybody in
the country. Yeah, even Texas Oregon at home. If you've
never been out there, you think, oh, it's got fifty
thousand seats. No, you have no idea. So you're gonna
be d like you're gonna have multiple penalties with your offense.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Can't hear? Just bake those in. You're gonna have four
or five of those.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
I think Ohio State's better, but I don't know if
they're better Saturday. I think that's fair in particular, when
you when you go on the road in these like
super charged environments. Just think about these big matchups that
we saw. Think about the environment in the first half
of the Alabama Georgia game and how that carried, you know,
Alabama to that big lead, which then they they kind
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of held on. For the one thing that I think
if if you're an Ohio State fan you would take
a little bit of backing in is that they're great.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
At the line of scrimmage. They owned Iowa at the
line of scrimmage. And by the way, that's nothing to
sneeze at. I was the top ten run defense. It's
very rare that they give up two hundred yards rushing
and over five yards per care.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Always got a good defense. Oh man, listen, listen. This
guy he used to bang on defensive coaches. He used to.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Bangow where punters their best offensive playing their good defense
is something else.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Oh my flip flop more than Kamala.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Anyways, I will just tell you that this Ohio State
offensive line, they can get after it. Okay, I think
that it was a question mark coming into the year,
but they can run the football over two hundred against
Iowa over five yards per carry. They've got this backfield
that Chip knows how to work with. Okay, Travon Henderson
and Quinn Shawn Jock gets back. The reason I'm nervous
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for Oregon is because I've seen even in that building,
which I agree is a really difficult place to play Colin.
We saw Ashton Genty run for one hundred and ninety
five yards on that Oregon defense in that building.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
So the run game for Ohio State, how do you
take a crowd out of it? How do you how
do you minimize crowd noise effect? You beat them up physically,
And that's I think what Ohio State is going to
be trying to do, in particular early in that game,
with a run game in an offensive line that I
think is pretty elite.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Okay, so a lot of people are pushing back and
old Lincoln Riley, but re Venables is facing Texas this weekend, yes,
and could be humiliated.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Well, their offense is terrible. So here's my take.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Is Lincoln, because USC is so high profile and because
he's a polarizing personality.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
After the exit.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Yeah, us, he's gonna be fine. It's the offense loses
a running back in the center. They returned the entire
team as freshman and sophomores on offense, unproven kids.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
They'll be fine.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Oklahoma's in big trouble, and I think Texas has a
chance to just this could get ugly on paper.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
It could.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
I mean, I think the numbers fourteen and a half,
which in this game is a big number because you
would always assume that the game is going to be
closer than what the teams actually are. I mean, even
look at last year. I thought Texas was a much
better team. Ye Oklahoma wins the game. Oklahoma's actually won
five of the last six. I believe the concern for
me is Ou offensively is one hundred and twenty first
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in the country in total offense, one hundred and twenty first.
That's not even near requisite enough against a Texas team
that's really good.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
On the defensive side.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Right, they're much better than they were even now, maybe
not than defensive tackle, but the secondary is better. Their
linebacker corps is very good. This Colin Simmons guy, have
you seen this guy? He's a true freshman and he
just plays on passing downs. He's like five sacks, so
he can get after it. And that's a precarious place
to be for ou offensively, and they have been a
nightmare offensively, by the way, all year. You think back
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in they couldn't do anything against Houston, they didn't do
anything against Tennessee. They had to have a defensive performance
in order to beat Auburn. So yeah, like Texas is
a much better team than Oklahoma. Yeah, and they're gonna
get youers back. They can run the football. They've got
the best offensive line in college football. They're veteran, they're old.
I think it's interesting, like the last couple of years,
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you know, almost rewarded in college football more than anything
veteran talent, not just talent. Used to be you just
had to have five star kids littering on your roster.
That's fine, that's great veteran talent. That's what wins. Think
about Michigan last year, think about Washington last year. Think
about what Texas is on the offensive line this year.
Look at what Ohio State is across their entire roster
this year. Veteran talent. That's what Texas has.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
You know why, I think that doesn't really have that
And I think one of the reasons that is the
transfer portal is forcing teams to have to constantly rebuild
cohesion in chemistry.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
So if you get a junior senior team with a
lot of like Texas O linemen that have been together
for three years, exactly right, you not only have the
talent advantage, you have the chemistry cohesion team advantage.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
There is no question what you just said is the
most accurate thing that you've said in our segments and years.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Well done. Get a shot of that right there.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
That was that was really I'm impressed because it's true
as other teams lose that chemistry, the margin between the
teams that are rebuilding every single year out of the portal,
like a Florida State, Yeah, and the teams that can
stick together like look at Clemson is a great example
of this. We bang on dabble all the time.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Yeah, they got there. They've righted the ship a little bit,
you bet you they have.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
And in fact, if you look at what they've done
since Georgian and was that good?
Speaker 2 (11:05):
No, No, it wasn't. They're lost to Georgia, it wasn't.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
But if you look at what they've done, they've grown
they've gotten better, they've developed, and now all of a sudden,
they've got Garrett Riley as their offensive coordinator in Caid
club Nick, they can run the football, and all of
a sudden, they're the number three scoring offense in all
of college football since that loss to Georgia, scoring forty
eight points per game.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Like, who wants to play him?
Speaker 1 (11:25):
I guess I can guarantee you you know who doesn't
want to play Clemson Miami. Let's go back to my
brilliant point. Okay, so I will say this. I was
saying it this weekend. I'm watching Mahomes Monday night. Yeah,
and man, Michael Jordan had this.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
He just kind of made it look easy.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
And I like cam Ward a lot, but I always
think he's a tad small same height as Shader Sanders,
and I never think about his height. I watch cam Ward,
and first of all, Miami's good. I don't think they're great.
I don't think they stack up with a couple of
the top teams, but they're really good. And he's excellent
as somebody who played quarterback in college, and you do
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stuff on our draft coverage, I know this is more
NFL than college question. I think Cam's an NFL player,
But I felt this about Bryce Young and I kind
of feel it with Cam. I'm like, I love this,
but I'm not sure it translates. What do you see?
The kids obviously talented. He was slinging in a can.
He's slinging it now. I never think of Shador Sanders' size.
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He reminds me a little bit of my homes moving left, right, front, back.
It just doesn't matter. Everything's easy. His accuracy is effortless.
Speaker 6 (12:36):
I want.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
My favorite thing about watching cam Ward play is that
he plays the position unconsciously as far as the results go.
Have you ever heard a great golfer talk about like
Jack Nicholas has said, like I never missed a putt.
I never in my mind, you know, I would commit
to it and I would hit the putt if it
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went in or not, Like that was beyond what was
in my control. My control was like put it on
the line that I'm intending and hit a good putt.
And he's I never hit a bad putt. I always
hit a good putt, That's what he would say.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
And it's this.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Idea of like removing yourself from the result, so immersing
yourself in the process, and I that's kind of how
I see cam Ward as he plays, because there's a
fearlessness which he drives the football down the field, no question,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
So that's what I'm speaking.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
And so for those reasons, I've never really thought about
his height. I like to me, is the ball on
time and on target?
Speaker 5 (13:37):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Is the arm talent there?
Speaker 7 (13:38):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Is he accurate down the field? Yes? Does he have a.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Competitive spirit that allows him to make everybody else around
him better?
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Absolutely? Look at the games that they've just won against
Virginia Tech and against Cal. They're down what twenty five
against Cal?
Speaker 3 (13:53):
So this this idea that his approach and his fearless
nature with which he plays the game almost removed from results.
He makes throws and I'm and I'm holding my breath.
I'm like, how do you make that throw?
Speaker 1 (14:06):
And he does it with such conviction And that's what
I love about watching cam Moore.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Now does that translate? I know you kind of asked
more of translation.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
I think he has no self doubt and that is
very important in the NFL hue. But it is funny
as I look and try to guess who's going to
be the best quarterback out of college. Sometimes I hit,
sometimes I don't. I Shador Sanders more and more. I'm
like man in my lifetime when it's just looked easy.
You'll remember this because you have you have appreciation for history.
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Remember Rod Carew, Yes, vaguely, I'm a little younger than you.
But anyway, that was a shot. But the point being
Rod Carew made hitting look really easy.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
You know, the guy that I think of is like
Edgar Martinez and Paul malletor like that and Griffy. Those
are the guys that are like when I'm watching as
a kid, it was just like, well, how could how
could you?
Speaker 8 (15:00):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Like it just made it look easy. Mahomes did that?
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Okay, so let's get to USC. It could have gone
either way and there was a stiff seven.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Mile an hour breeze.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Oh gosh, but I here's what, here's you just stopped
with the first steam. Okay, So let me a defend
them and then b be critical a we had said this,
the offensive line is starting red shirt freshman and sophomores
outside of center, they're gonna get bullied by some of
the upper class o lines. Yeah, like Michigan was predictable
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and I was. I was like, hey, they had a
bad half against Michigan. What bothered me here? So I'll
pivot to the negativity. Minnesota had more passion, they were
more intentional. USC's bad tackling, their linebackers fell overwhelmed by
the running back. When I watched this game, all of
the critics of Lincoln Riley one colin they're too soft.
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He's all about offense. And I always pushed back. When
Minnesota can punch you in the mouth, I lose the
argument and you win the argument. They looked like a
West Coast team trying to go to the Midwest and
play their style of ball.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Let's remember, though, what Minnesota under pj FLA, what they are.
They are trying to be bullies. They're gonna get in
there and they want it in a phone booth. They
want it in a fistfight.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
They're the guy that's never gonna win a sprint, and
they want to grab you by the belt and pull
you down to the ground, and they want a grappling match.
They want to run the football over sixty percent of
the time under pj FLA, no one in the Big
Ten runs the football more.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Maybe Iowa does. Over the last couple of years. But
no one runs it more than Minnesota. They try to
protect their defense. They are a veteran laden team. It's
a very disciplined team. Like this is a team that
candidly is a bad matchup for USC. Now here's where
I'm critical of USC is that they've had opportunities to
win every single one of their games and they have not.
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The turnovers are an issue. Two against Michigan, three against Wisconsin,
three against Minnesota. Yes, that's a major issue. And they're
not good enough because of their youth, like you've been
talking about, to overcome turnovers. This is not the twenty
seventeen Oklahoma Sooners that are gonna, you know, rack up
eight and a half yards per play. They're not quite
there yet on their offensive side. So when they make
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those mistakes, it's magnified. And what I see is that
you've you've got a mistackle against Michigan and you lose
the game. Okay, Kalo Mullings breaks the tackle and he
runs and sets them up for the score. And then
in this game it's a fourth quarter interception and you
lose the game. And then there's been these two series
and this is what I can't get out of my head.
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And I've always been a Lincoln Riley defender. I think
he's one of the best coaches in America. But there
have been two offensive series in those two games against
Michigan and against Minnesota where they rolled out there and
you think, okay, here it is go time, go time.
Three and out, and it's like, with USC's talent and
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that coach, you can't be three and out, you can't
be three out at that at that moment. And even
with that great half of football that they had put
put together against Michigan, in the second half, offensively they
go three and out and they threw the ball a
few times and.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
You're like, what what what is going on? And you
know what, It reminded me of Lincoln's first year as
a head coach. Rose Bull overtime against Georgia. I remember
that Baker Mayfield. I remember that they stopped Georgia. Defense
was on the field for first and stopped Georgia, held
them to a field goal. Baker Mayfield runs onto the
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field and you think to yourself, well, this is that
they're going to win the game. Remember it was their
offense is going to win the game. Yeah, And it's like, wait,
what For whatever reason, there's these moments where Lincoln's offense
kind of wilts in the face of what they need most.
Maybe because it leans heavy on clever and not on power. Yeah,
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they've got to be able to run the football better,
and they're not able to do.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
That this offense.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
One of the reasons I like Texas to win the
National Champion Chip. Every college team has lulls. Texas is like,
all right, let's just run it behind our three first
round NFL guys up front, and it really gets you through. Listen,
you take eighteen year olds on the road, they have
bad Saturday. Of course that terrible happen. Look at last
week five of the top eleven teams in the country. Yes,
what usually gets you past that is Saban would do this, guys,
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Let's run the football, let's take the crowd out of it.
Speaker 7 (19:22):
Let's do it.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Last year, that's right, Matt Michigan ran at thirty two
straight times against Penn State. Great old lines in college.
Now Ohio State's got a little bit of that.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
This year. They're gonna go to Oregon. It gets loud.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
You're like, guys, let's do an eleven play drive and
just quiet everybody out.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
This USC team. I keep saying like these are bad matchups.
These are bad. This is a really bad matchup for USC.
Just Penn State wants to run the football. They can
run the football. Are one of the best rushing teams
in the country with this duo of k Tron Allen
and Nick Singleton. Their offensive line is playing really cohesive
together up front, Andy Kotal Nicky, their offensive coordinator is
a really good, creative, solid offensive coordinator. And then guess
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what their defense does. They get after the passer.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
In fact, no team in college football has more sacks
over the last three years than Penn State. And they've
got another excellent pass rushing duo and Denied Dinnis Sometton
on one side he was a former five star, and
Abduall Carter who could be an NFL star, probably a
top five pick in the draft.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Yes, style player. This is not a great matchup for USC.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
All right, let's give Klatteeruski's a top ten I don't
have any pushback on it.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
I don't. Okay, no, you didn't. One of the things
I like that you don't do.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
You don't sell the farm when somebody loses, even though
Bama lost, They're going to be fine. They're a good team.
By the way, I have Georgia still ahead of Bama.
By the way I have Georgia three.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
It's too early for me to get worked up.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Nothing. Okay, I'll say this, I'd put ten. I think
Tennessee's fine. I think Arkansas can be a snake pit.
It happened, so Tennessee.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Here's the reason I've got Tennessee nine, and the reason
I moved him down to nine is that now this
is twice that their quarterback, niek Imi Lava has played
poorly on the road. He did not play great against Ou,
but their defense was spectacular. They win the game in Norman,
and then this week they've got a fourteen to three lead,
a quality, competent offense and quarterback. They can really get
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it done. They take over that game and they stretch
the lead. He was unable to do, so they lose
at nineteen fourteen. He's got to get better of anticipating throws.
Most young quarterbacks have this right, but he holds onto
the football too long. When you watch the film, he
does some things that are exquisite. Colin, I'm telling you
he's playing Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Tennessee on their best days when they when they host Alabama,
watch out, yeah, because Alabama's defense is a wreck right now.
Sixty two points and seven hundred yards in the last
six quarters, and one and four of those quarters were Vandy.
Speaker 7 (21:43):
Holy cow.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
They may have to get rid of Kaalen to moore
those offensive coaches. Am I right? Where's Mike Rabel when
you need him?
Speaker 8 (21:51):
H J.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Rabel's your kind of guy. You know what he brings
to breakfast, to bow and arrow, my kind of guy.
That guy is all man.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
I'm just I'm I'm here. I've listened to you for
too many years. I know you don't like defensive coaches.
As soon as it goes poorly or in the postings,
you're gonna be like these defensive coaches.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
They don't adjust.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
I'm not wrong on that all the time most of
the time. But I like Rabel why because he texts me.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
No, I'm joking. No, I respect him. I like him.
I've liked him forever. That was so good.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
What do you think he's gonna go in and set
Aaron straight like I don't understand?
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Oh yeah, yeah, really yeah. Here's the here's the thing
that you got to understand about the NFL. He does.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
It doesn't matter who your coach is. Oh, give me
a break, you know what, I'll tell you what, It
matters who your quarterback is. Has Bill Belichick done anything
without Tom Brady?
Speaker 2 (22:51):
No?
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Has Andy Reid done anything without Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Really well, he got to a super Bowl and did
he win?
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Well, you're not going to do that, are you. Barkley
doesn't have any trophies either.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
He was pretty good. I'm not saying that they're not good,
but you don't. What are we trying to do here?
Are we're trying to be good? Or are we trying
to win Super Bowl?
Speaker 1 (23:10):
I'll tell you what, my guess. The New York Jets
are all in on trying to win the super Bowl.
That's why you bring Aaron Rodgers in and now you're
trying to give him a coach that's going to get
him to what the divisional round? Good for you, you
guys were kind of good. Okay, roll the tape on this.
I'll tell you what Rabel does. He stands on business.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Oh my gosh, Oh okay, I'm gonna get out of here.
Give it in the day. That's gonna be bouncing around
my head for days.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
He stands, Okay, he's Arizona and BYU with Klatt, it'll
be awesome.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
We gotta go. That's so good.
Speaker 7 (23:47):
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Speaker 1 (23:57):
Man, we got so much going on today. We are
so big by the way. We'll update you on the Steelers,
Russell Wilson, Justin Fields getting very interesting in just a second. First,
O J Mack with the news.
Speaker 7 (24:13):
This is the Herd Line News.
Speaker 8 (24:17):
Game of the Day Sunday will be the Lions Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (24:20):
Sure, you remember last year's thriller.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
It was crazy.
Speaker 8 (24:23):
Essentially, Detroit had a two point conversion for the victory
at the end of the game.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
And they went for it.
Speaker 9 (24:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (24:29):
Taylor Decker had declared himself eligible on the play. The
referees kind of screwed it up the fast they pushed
him back. Dan Campbell decided instead of kicking, I'm gonna
go for it.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
That was two chances. I know. I kind of felt
like the Lions got screwed to the officials.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Although I hate blaming that, and then I thought Dan
got overly emotional. I think Detroit is a better football
operation right now and a better team than Dallas.
Speaker 8 (24:52):
Yeah, we're seeing you know, obviously the bye last week
for Detroit several other teams. How will they come off
the buy are they gonna be a ready to lock?
And Cowboys off an emotional win in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
And I didn't play particularly well.
Speaker 8 (25:03):
Well, think they did drive up and down the field.
They just had Dak turnovers in the red zone and
then he touched down at the very end of the game.
Aiden Hutchison says, Listen, last year's game, it's all in
the past.
Speaker 6 (25:15):
As controversial as last year was, it was last year,
and so I think we're very hopeful and we're all
just ready to go over here. And yeah, we're just
we're on a mission this year. You know, we're not
going to let the past define us.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
He's become arguably the best pass rusher in football. He
and Miles Garrett us off.
Speaker 8 (25:36):
We get TJ.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Watt, No, he's good too, But I'm saying Aiden's moved
into their class indisputably.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Yeah, he is great.
Speaker 8 (25:42):
Yeah, those game rockery. I'm trying to check a Lion's
injury report. There is I get we're waiting on the
practice report today what happened, but they seem healthy coming
out of the buy, right. I think this is Lions
or Lions are nothing here right.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
If that line went down to three, it would be
one of my favorite fats three and a half. The
hook keeps you because if Dallas does move the ball
and Detroit's vulnerable Geno Smith had thirty eight first downs
against in Detroit. You can move the ball up and
down the field on Detroit. So that's what worries me.
Speaker 8 (26:13):
So outdoors this season, Dallas looks good against Cleveland. Outdoors,
Dallas looks good against Pittsburgh. You go indoors on that
fast track. The Saints move them out, will move them
out of the water, so you think indoors. I think
Dallas is kind of a slow team. I don't think
offensively they're they're not fast, They're not a track team,
and defensively we don't think they're very good. So MICA's
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still out on Detroit. We're waiting for Dallas to report
on practice today. But I think this is Lion's probably
by twenty. But then again, I thought the Steelers were
taking him down by twenty So I don't know Steelers.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Steelers aren't as good at quarterback as Detroit.
Speaker 8 (26:51):
Well, you're onto something with Wilson and Fields. We'll get
to that hopefully later. Let's get back to the New
York Jets, because you know it's the Jets and they're
the story of the week. Reportedly, Robert Sala was gonna
take away offensive play calling duties from Nathaniel Hackett, but
somebody ordered the code red on Sala before he could
strip play calling duties from Matt Hackett. There are reports
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that interim head coach Jeff Obrich is considering demoting Hackett.
Diana Ruscini has reported that Hackett does not have a
lot of support on the roster or coaching staff. I
just go back to this Quincy Williams quote Colin from
Sunday talking about accountability, and guy's got to take He's
talking about Aaron Rodgers. He's not talking about the defenders.
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The defense, as you said, played their butts off in
that game against Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Yeah, Aaron today is positioning himself. Oh I love Sala.
Sala's the best. That's That's not what Boomer reported accurately
that it wasn't as rosy as Aaron. Aaron loves everybody
once they've been showing the door. He loved McCarthy, remember
that for years. Oh, I love Mike Jeff Saturday knowledge
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that he would call him an idiot and he would
send plays into the game and Aaron would roll his eyes.
Speaker 8 (28:04):
Because Aaron thinks he's smarter than everybody. I'll say this
if they if Aaron Rodgers poops his pants again in
a big spot against the Buffalo Bills, it's gonna be
They're gonna the Jets players will turn on him if
they haven't already, because he's the reason they lost that
game to the Vikings. Aaron Rodgers three bad interceptions to it,
like the first half, remember those. I've got a fun
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situation brewing in New York. I know you like piling
on and I root for this team.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
But I like piling on. Yeah, mine don't.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
My lass is half full.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
But I think I've been saying this stuff for years.
Green Bay fans suddenly now agree with me. It's like
he is probably right.
Speaker 8 (28:43):
No, I think I think they agreed with you before.
They were kind of happy to move on from him.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
They should have been Jordan Loves a mega talent. Is
I think the Packers are about ready to pop fly away?
Speaker 8 (28:55):
What are the Jets about ready to do poop?
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Packers? Will the pop move? Yeah?
Speaker 8 (29:00):
The final story is Deshaun Watson. Boy, that trade oof
looking really, really bad. He's only started seventeen games. He's
nine to eight, completing sixty percent of his passes. Colin
nineteen touchdown passes in seventeen starts.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
That's it.
Speaker 8 (29:15):
Twelve picks. Then, of course the fully guaranteed two hundred
and thirty million dollars deal. Browns coach Kevin Stefanski says,
the offensive struggles, It's not all Watson's fault.
Speaker 10 (29:27):
Protect the quarterback, but we have we have to find
a way to stay on the football field as an offense.
This is not a one person issue on offense. We
we have the guys, we have the coaches. We will
get it fixed.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
The singular reason Stefanski is defending Deshaun Watson his ownership
because it will look humiliating if Deshaun Watson or to
gets benched. So Stefanski is taking one for the team,
He's taking one for ownership. They know Deshaun's washed it's over.
Speaker 8 (30:03):
And Stefanski will get a job pretty quick in a minute,
likeable if he were to be in.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Those are two.
Speaker 8 (30:09):
Sharp offensive guys. Here's the Browns offensive season. You see
on the screen. It is DFL in three or four categories.
Not good with the Cleveland Browns and Deshaun Watson. I
have I backed them last week against Washington. That was
a little bit of a.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Mistake sometimes sometimes like I'm done backing the Saints.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
I'll never back them again. Those guys are frauds.
Speaker 8 (30:32):
Three straight losses after that too, and it starts.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
But the team that always reels me in a couple
of times, Atlanta Falcons.
Speaker 7 (30:41):
I do.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Atlanta reels me. I like their ownership. I think they
generally draft well. I think they're strong at quarterback. I've
lost more money on the Falcons in my life, and
they just keep reeling me back in. And then you
give me Kirk Cousins, so I get a you know,
like Dak, you get a grown up in the room,
who can you know productive?
Speaker 8 (31:01):
So you see that number eight and a half for
the Eagles and Siriani coming off.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
The back, I don't trust him. I'm not beat. It's
not one of my bets.
Speaker 8 (31:08):
So you don't want to take the Browns, but you
don't want to.
Speaker 9 (31:11):
You know.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
The first thing I do, what what is the Remember
earlier in the year, I did not take the Bengals
Patriots the biggest line of the week. I eliminate the
biggest line of the week. I almost always eliminated. It's
a sucker bat. That's the first thing I do. And
then I start looking at the numbers and what I
look for usually, And I made the mistake last week.
I try to find a good quarterback getting points. And
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last week, you know that good quarterback getting points, I'm
an idiot, was Dak and I took Justin Fields. I
should have taken the good quarterback getting points.
Speaker 8 (31:42):
So you could always tease the Eagles under a field goal,
but teasers of favorites this year have been a disaster,
yew because the underdogs are winning out right. Yeah, it's
been a wacky season. I don't I don't know what
to do with the Eagles here.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
I mean, I stay away.
Speaker 8 (31:56):
That's probably the move.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Jamak with the news.
Speaker 7 (32:00):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the herd.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Line A couple of good stories.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Next on Sean Payton and the Pittspur Steelers Quarterback Dilemma.
Speaker 7 (32:10):
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Speaker 8 (32:19):
Today, it's an NLDS doubleheader featuring a pair of game fours,
starting as the Mets take on the Phillies at four
point thirty Eastern, followed by the Dodgers versus the Padres
at nine all right here on FS one and the.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Fox Sports App.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Initially, I thought Dodgers Phillies would be the greatest National
League Championship series ever. But the more I think about it,
the comeback kids with the Mets and the cocky hungry Padres,
cause I think could be just as good as television.
That is a National League Championship series. It just the
National League feels different. You have four different sensibilities. You
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have the Bryce Harper, the favored dominating early this year, Phillies,
and the comeback kids who didn't get hot until like
June Mets, who are unbelievable eighth then ing on, and
then you have the cocky, young, hungry Podres who have
good players, but they don't have the you know, the
gravitas of the highest payroll Dodgers, and I'm like, oh, Phillies,
Dodgers will be great. Honestly, Mets Padres National League Championship Series,
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whoever comes in the American League, Guardians, Royals, whoever. But
the National League to me this year it feels like
it's carrying the sport more than traditionally, like a Yankees
brand would be. I think Mets Padres NLCS that's something well.
By the way, Mike Tomlin was asked because now Russell
Wilson's healthy, the calf's better, the world's longest calf injury,
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it's better Justin Fields is starting, but just lost.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Mike was asked about it.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
Until Russ gets to a point where we're comfortable with
what we're looking at, he's able to execute auschmatics, he's
able to put the back put together back to back,
the secutive days and so forth. I just think that's
a hypothetical conversation. We're going to continue to push forward
with Justin until those things are legitimate, and then we'll
make decisions accordingly.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
I think when Pete Carroll said years ago Gino and
Drew Locke, there are guys I think he meant it,
and maybe they're close. But when McVeigh and Shanahan in
the same division were moving off Goff and Garoppolo that
got to a Super Bowl. I do feel that offensive
coaches have more urgency at quarterback. I think Pete Carroll
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believed that, but Gino and Drew Lock are limited, and
I think Mike Tomlin believes these two guys can get
us to the Promised Land past his prime. Russell not
good enough justin fields, and I think any offensive coach
would be like, yeah, this isn't good enough. And not
only that, offensive coaches like Brian Dabele have the advantage
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in the skill set and the understanding to take an
average quarterback and make him pretty good, not great, pretty good.
I mean what Daball's doing to Daniel Jones, that's just coaching.
So I don't know, you know, I think when Belichick thinks,
you know, Tom's gone, Cam Newton that no, Cam was washed.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
He worked hard, but he was washed at the time.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
I just think offensive coaches are better handling quarterbacks and
have a greater sense of urgency. Andy Reid had Alex
Smith no, no, no, we got to get better. We got upgrade,
and I just think there's about six six guys in
this league max that can hoist a trophy. In the
last twenty years, it's mostly been Brady Mahomes and Peyton Manning.
I mean, it's just I'm sorry that's who's hoisting him.
Speaker 6 (35:34):
So.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Earlier this week, there was a sideline incident Sunday with
a friend of the show, Sean Payton. Now, I had
said in the off season, I thought the Denver Broncos
I said in about twenty times. I know, I get
tedious that I thought, of all the teams in the NFL,
that would be better than what Vegas was predicting. I said,
they're going to blow through five and a half wins.
That was my team last year. It was the Rams
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this year. I said, I do not believe Denver's a
five and a half win team. Think they are an
eight or a nine win team. And they're now in
a three game winning streak. But they had a big
brush up on the sideline rookie quarterback Bo Nicks and
you know, Peyton getting after each other, and Sean Peyton
earlier in the week talked about it.
Speaker 5 (36:14):
It's the heat of the moment, it's the game. It's competitive,
the's fiery, and we're looking for passion and we're looking
for people at passion for the game, not other things.
And I think that it's so important to him. I
loved his response. And we're on to the next play
and it's nothing.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
It's nothing.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
So Drew Brees two weeks ago said, if you want
to fight with Sean, you got to get right in
there and be combatant with him. And then when Drew
Brees was on yesterday, I said, you predicted it what
bo Nicks should do and what bow Knicks did when
Sean started barking.
Speaker 9 (36:50):
There's probably some things that Salah said publicly that we
were better just to be kept, you know, private, and
then there were probably reactions from Aaron that he probably
should have just eaten and said, yeah, that's.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
The wrong bite. Do we have the Drew Brees because
Drew Brees two weeks ago said, if Sean gets after
you go right back after him. And then literally this
Sunday we saw Sean Payton go after bow Nicks and
he did exactly what Drew Brees said. He went right
after him. And I think that's the way to do it.
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I there are certain coaches I think Sean Payton's a
great example. There are certain coaches who respect you more.
I mean, I'd always rather have somebody confront me if
they're mad at me, the mean passive aggressive and work
behind the scenes, which I think is what Aaron Rodgers does.
He did it with Mike McCarthy. By the way, when
Aaron got rid of Mike McCarthy the minute, it was like,
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Mike's a great guy. I have a respect for him.
I had players tell me, two players tell me Aaron
didn't like him. Aaron didn't respect him. That's what you're
hearing in New York today.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
I love Robert great respect. But I think Sean Payton's
one of those guys. And Bill Parcells had this. If
you ever go watch those old NFL films and you
hear Bill Parcell's barking at Phil Simms, some of these coaches,
they want you to bring it right back, and I think,
I like, I think that's the way to do it
with a certain call.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
I don't think.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
I don't think Sean Payton would work with Aaron Rodgers.
Aaron doesn't. Aaron's not going to do that confrontational stuff.
He'll pout Bonix that's not his personality. And I guarantee
Sean Payton when they drafted him, knew this kid'll get
after it. So here is Drew Brees talking about it.
Speaker 9 (38:27):
I think the argument was, man Sean was so particular
about Man, We're like, hey, we're running this on the
right hash into the formation into boundary, like this is
very exact because of how we want the alignment or
we want to create the leverage, and we want to
create the matchup, so everything is very exact right, And
so I think that was this moment where I think
Sean felt like he had, you know, flipped the formation
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the wrong way, put it into the boundary when he
wasn't supposed to. And I'm sure Bo was like, no, coach,
I know exactly what you said. This is how we're
going to run it. You know Sean loves that, I'm
telling you.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Yeah, he does.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
He's feisty and he wants you to fight back. And
so now you I don't know if you could handle
that if I get the heat up so with you,
I kind of soft pedal the criticism.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Hey, you did your best, Jay Matc. I appreciate trying
to do better tomorrow.
Speaker 8 (39:16):
What criticism since I've been here, it's been all flowers
and uh J Mackley. I mean we talk shockingly. You
and I text and talk almost every day.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
We do.
Speaker 8 (39:26):
And I gotta be honest. I'll tell the audience. I
asked you, oh, you probably talked to you know, and
some of the other guys in media you know and
talked to and You're like, I don't talk to him
that much.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
And I was like, Wow, I have a bunch of
snakes out there.
Speaker 8 (39:38):
I feel honored, cowhurt.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
No, that's right now.
Speaker 8 (39:40):
I don't know how you would like you if I
came back at you like bo Nick's coming back at Peyton.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
I do think when games are happening. I always defended
Brady barking at Josh McDaniels. I defended Peyton Manning barking
at Jeff Saturday. I have I have no problem Lebron's
the opposite. Lebron will work to get your canned behind
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the scenes. I have no problem with a Kevin Garnett
and his prime barking at Doc Rivers. I have no
problem at all of that. That's real, that's authentic. You're
human emote. Please, let's get it out of the way.
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Fox Sports Radio. Here we go our two. It is
a Wednesday, biggest college football weekend by far of the year.
You're talking Texas Oklahoma stuff live in Los Angeles. It's
the Herd wherever you may be, however you may be listening.
Thanks for making us part of your day. Ohio State
Oregon is the game of the year. Oh wait, Texas Oklahoma,
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that could be the game of the year. USC season,
Penn State, that game is magnificent and gigantic. Jmak Briefly,
I just want to read to these names up for
the Jets job. According to Jeremy Fowler, Todd Munkin, Ben Johnson,
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and Bobby Slowick. Okay, this is the Jets. It's a
broken franchise. You need a grown man, you need an Alpha,
you need Mike Vrabel, not three guys who want a
ribbon at the local science fair. The hipsters, the whiz
kids go get a man, a former player who's not
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going to be pushed around by Aaron. He'll take Aaron
out in the parking lot for a attitude adjustment. He
doesn't care about Aaron Rodgers, nor should he. He's an
average quarterback. Vrabel's proven leader of men, a tough guy.
Nobody you conform or you settle it somewhere else. Vrabel
is nobs. He is the best coach available, unlike Belichick,
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does not have to own personnel. All those coaches, by
the way, hired in the twenty twenty one coaching cycle,
think I'm wrong, including two still have a job and
one's keeping it. Dan Campbell a man's man, big, intimidating,
rough around the edges, culture builder. There are times to
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finesse a franchise. This ain't it. Aaron gives you all
the conspiratorial nonsense and the passive aggressive stuff you need.
Mike Vrabel not about hiring another assistant. An assistant's great
when Stan Kronke owns your team and you have a
solid front office. Hey there's this whiz kid that's great.
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Or San Francisco, The York Family Kyle Shanahan, great coordinator,
never been a coach. You have stability in the franchise.
Jets don't have any stability. You have to find a
stability creator, strength, culture, intimidation, toughness, resilience. Mike Vrabel for
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head coach and I approved this message. Mike Vrabel is
the higher. When you have a wobbly, wonky franchise, you
need a guy that comes in and establishes toughness and culture.
I like Rabel more than Dan Campbell, and Dan Campbell's
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the one guy out of that solid class that has worked.
He is the and it wasn't about his schematic xes
and o's and he's a whiz kid. He's an offensive
genius man walks in the door, sets the culture play.
Remember those first early Detroit years with Campbell where they
weren't very good and I would come on the air
and go, I remember a game against like Baltimore. I'm like,
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I don't think I've ever seen a team with less
talent play harder. The Lions were losing, but they were
losing with passion and close.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
This team's a mess.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
I don't I can't remember the last time that a
coach got fired and the game before he got fired.
If they win, their in first place and Jets could
be in first play by Monday night, they fire Salah
and according to reports he blind sided.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Not a lot of those easy get little. So you
have an idea.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
And what's the other interesting thing is Sala's defense. His
side of the ball was brilliant. Aaron stunk. I mean again,
you'd fire Solaf you like, we lost forty eight nothing
and our offensive coach was shut out. The defense was amazing.
Sauce Gardner was hurt, Quinnin Williams was hurt. Minnesota's on
fire totally shut him down. So SLA's defense had a
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great performance. It was Aaron who admitted he stunk, and
you fire him now before.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
The Buffalo game.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Wouldn't you just at least do the Buffalo game and
if you win, you're like okay, and then if you
get blown out you can consider it.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
But it's so Jets.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
It is the biggest by far weekend of the year
in college of football. No cocktails this weekend, clear eyes.
Joe Klatt on Our shou to Wednesday. This is going
to be massive. What's even the second level games are great?
Speaker 2 (05:04):
How you doing?
Speaker 3 (05:05):
I remember a time when you would just just bang
on the franchises that hired defensive coaches.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Remember that, I remember that, Jack, You remember that. That
was years ago. I'm sure it was. I'm sure it
was their occasion. Apparently. Now Aaron Rodgers is terrible and
Robert sala is the same. I like Timko Ryans. We
love we love that. Hut you think Mike Rabel is
going to fix the Jets. He's a man. Okay. I
like those kind of guys. Okay, So then what does
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USC need? They're fine?
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Oh okay, Interesting, the flight got a little bumpy over
Des Moines, did it?
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Did it?
Speaker 2 (05:40):
I'll get to that in a second. Okay.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
First of all, Ohio State Oregon. So let's let's go. So,
Ohio State's got as good a talent as anybody in
the country. Yeah, even Texas Oregon at home. If you've
never been out there, you think, oh, it's got fifty
thousand seats. No, you have no idea. So you're gonna
be d like you're gonna have multiple penalties with your offense.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Can't hear? Just bake those in. You're gonna have four
or five of those.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
I think Ohio State's better, but I don't know if
they're better Saturday. I think that's fair in particular, when
you when you go on the road in these like
super charged environments. Just think about these big matchups that
we saw. Think about the environment in the first half
of the Alabama Georgia game and how that carried, you know,
Alabama to that big lead, which then they they kind
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of held on. For the one thing that I think
if if you're an Ohio State fan you would take
a little bit of backing in is that they're great.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
At the line of scrimmage. They owned Iowa at the
line of scrimmage. And by the way, that's nothing to
sneeze at. I was the top ten run defense. It's
very rare that they give up two hundred yards rushing
and over five yards per care.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Always got a good defense. Oh man, listen, listen. This
guy he used to bang on defensive coaches. He used to.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Bangow where punters their best offensive playing their good defense
is something else.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Oh my flip flop more than Kamala.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Anyways, I will just tell you that this Ohio State
offensive line, they can get after it. Okay, I think
that it was a question mark coming into the year,
but they can run the football over two hundred against
Iowa over five yards per carry. They've got this backfield
that Chip knows how to work with. Okay, Travon Henderson
and Quinn Shawn Jock gets back. The reason I'm nervous
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for Oregon is because I've seen even in that building,
which I agree is a really difficult place to play Colin.
We saw Ashton Genty run for one hundred and ninety
five yards on that Oregon defense in that building.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
So the run game for Ohio State, how do you
take a crowd out of it? How do you how
do you minimize crowd noise effect? You beat them up physically,
And that's I think what Ohio State is going to
be trying to do, in particular early in that game,
with a run game in an offensive line that I
think is pretty elite.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Okay, so a lot of people are pushing back and
old Lincoln Riley, but re Venables is facing Texas this weekend, yes,
and could be humiliated.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Well, their offense is terrible. So here's my take.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Is Lincoln, because USC is so high profile and because
he's a polarizing personality.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
After the exit.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Yeah, us, he's gonna be fine. It's the offense loses
a running back in the center. They returned the entire
team as freshman and sophomores on offense, unproven kids.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
They'll be fine.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Oklahoma's in big trouble, and I think Texas has a
chance to just this could get ugly on paper.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
It could.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
I mean, I think the numbers fourteen and a half,
which in this game is a big number because you
would always assume that the game is going to be
closer than what the teams actually are. I mean, even
look at last year. I thought Texas was a much
better team. Ye Oklahoma wins the game. Oklahoma's actually won
five of the last six. I believe the concern for
me is Ou offensively is one hundred and twenty first
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in the country in total offense, one hundred and twenty first.
That's not even near requisite enough against a Texas team
that's really good.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
On the defensive side.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Right, they're much better than they were even now, maybe
not than defensive tackle, but the secondary is better. Their
linebacker corps is very good. This Colin Simmons guy, have
you seen this guy? He's a true freshman and he
just plays on passing downs. He's like five sacks, so
he can get after it. And that's a precarious place
to be for ou offensively, and they have been a
nightmare offensively, by the way, all year. You think back
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in they couldn't do anything against Houston, they didn't do
anything against Tennessee. They had to have a defensive performance
in order to beat Auburn. So yeah, like Texas is
a much better team than Oklahoma. Yeah, and they're gonna
get youers back. They can run the football. They've got
the best offensive line in college football. They're veteran, they're old.
I think it's interesting, like the last couple of years,
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you know, almost rewarded in college football more than anything
veteran talent, not just talent. Used to be you just
had to have five star kids littering on your roster.
That's fine, that's great veteran talent. That's what wins. Think
about Michigan last year, think about Washington last year. Think
about what Texas is on the offensive line this year.
Look at what Ohio State is across their entire roster
this year. Veteran talent. That's what Texas has.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
You know why, I think that doesn't really have that
And I think one of the reasons that is the
transfer portal is forcing teams to have to constantly rebuild
cohesion in chemistry.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
So if you get a junior senior team with a
lot of like Texas O linemen that have been together
for three years, exactly right, you not only have the
talent advantage, you have the chemistry cohesion team advantage.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
There is no question what you just said is the
most accurate thing that you've said in our segments and years.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Well done. Get a shot of that right there.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
That was that was really I'm impressed because it's true
as other teams lose that chemistry, the margin between the
teams that are rebuilding every single year out of the portal,
like a Florida State, Yeah, and the teams that can
stick together like look at Clemson is a great example
of this. We bang on dabble all the time.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Yeah, they got there. They've righted the ship a little bit,
you bet you they have.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
And in fact, if you look at what they've done
since Georgian and was that good?
Speaker 2 (11:05):
No, No, it wasn't. They're lost to Georgia, it wasn't.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
But if you look at what they've done, they've grown
they've gotten better, they've developed, and now all of a sudden,
they've got Garrett Riley as their offensive coordinator in Caid
club Nick, they can run the football, and all of
a sudden, they're the number three scoring offense in all
of college football since that loss to Georgia, scoring forty
eight points per game.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Like, who wants to play him?
Speaker 1 (11:25):
I guess I can guarantee you you know who doesn't
want to play Clemson Miami. Let's go back to my
brilliant point. Okay, so I will say this. I was
saying it this weekend. I'm watching Mahomes Monday night. Yeah,
and man, Michael Jordan had this.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
He just kind of made it look easy.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
And I like cam Ward a lot, but I always
think he's a tad small same height as Shader Sanders,
and I never think about his height. I watch cam Ward,
and first of all, Miami's good. I don't think they're great.
I don't think they stack up with a couple of
the top teams, but they're really good. And he's excellent
as somebody who played quarterback in college, and you do
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stuff on our draft coverage, I know this is more
NFL than college question. I think Cam's an NFL player,
But I felt this about Bryce Young and I kind
of feel it with Cam. I'm like, I love this,
but I'm not sure it translates. What do you see?
The kids obviously talented. He was slinging in a can.
He's slinging it now. I never think of Shador Sanders' size.
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He reminds me a little bit of my homes moving left, right, front, back.
It just doesn't matter. Everything's easy. His accuracy is effortless.
Speaker 6 (12:36):
I want.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
My favorite thing about watching cam Ward play is that
he plays the position unconsciously as far as the results go.
Have you ever heard a great golfer talk about like
Jack Nicholas has said, like I never missed a putt.
I never in my mind, you know, I would commit
to it and I would hit the putt if it
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went in or not, Like that was beyond what was
in my control. My control was like put it on
the line that I'm intending and hit a good putt.
And he's I never hit a bad putt. I always
hit a good putt, That's what he would say.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
And it's this.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Idea of like removing yourself from the result, so immersing
yourself in the process, and I that's kind of how
I see cam Ward as he plays, because there's a
fearlessness which he drives the football down the field, no question,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
So that's what I'm speaking.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
And so for those reasons, I've never really thought about
his height. I like to me, is the ball on
time and on target?
Speaker 5 (13:37):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Is the arm talent there?
Speaker 7 (13:38):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Is he accurate down the field? Yes? Does he have a.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Competitive spirit that allows him to make everybody else around
him better?
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Absolutely? Look at the games that they've just won against
Virginia Tech and against Cal. They're down what twenty five
against Cal?
Speaker 3 (13:53):
So this this idea that his approach and his fearless
nature with which he plays the game almost removed from results.
He makes throws and I'm and I'm holding my breath.
I'm like, how do you make that throw?
Speaker 1 (14:06):
And he does it with such conviction And that's what
I love about watching cam Moore.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Now does that translate? I know you kind of asked
more of translation.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
I think he has no self doubt and that is
very important in the NFL hue. But it is funny
as I look and try to guess who's going to
be the best quarterback out of college. Sometimes I hit,
sometimes I don't. I Shador Sanders more and more. I'm
like man in my lifetime when it's just looked easy.
You'll remember this because you have you have appreciation for history.
(14:37):
Remember Rod Carew, Yes, vaguely, I'm a little younger than you.
But anyway, that was a shot. But the point being
Rod Carew made hitting look really easy.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
You know, the guy that I think of is like
Edgar Martinez and Paul malletor like that and Griffy. Those
are the guys that are like when I'm watching as
a kid, it was just like, well, how could how
could you?
Speaker 8 (15:00):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Like it just made it look easy. Mahomes did that?
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Okay, so let's get to USC. It could have gone
either way and there was a stiff seven.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Mile an hour breeze.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Oh gosh, but I here's what, here's you just stopped
with the first steam. Okay, So let me a defend
them and then b be critical a we had said this,
the offensive line is starting red shirt freshman and sophomores
outside of center, they're gonna get bullied by some of
the upper class o lines. Yeah, like Michigan was predictable
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and I was. I was like, hey, they had a
bad half against Michigan. What bothered me here? So I'll
pivot to the negativity. Minnesota had more passion, they were
more intentional. USC's bad tackling, their linebackers fell overwhelmed by
the running back. When I watched this game, all of
the critics of Lincoln Riley one colin they're too soft.
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He's all about offense. And I always pushed back. When
Minnesota can punch you in the mouth, I lose the
argument and you win the argument. They looked like a
West Coast team trying to go to the Midwest and
play their style of ball.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Let's remember, though, what Minnesota under pj FLA, what they are.
They are trying to be bullies. They're gonna get in
there and they want it in a phone booth. They
want it in a fistfight.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
They're the guy that's never gonna win a sprint, and
they want to grab you by the belt and pull
you down to the ground, and they want a grappling match.
They want to run the football over sixty percent of
the time under pj FLA, no one in the Big
Ten runs the football more.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Maybe Iowa does. Over the last couple of years. But
no one runs it more than Minnesota. They try to
protect their defense. They are a veteran laden team. It's
a very disciplined team. Like this is a team that
candidly is a bad matchup for USC. Now here's where
I'm critical of USC is that they've had opportunities to
win every single one of their games and they have not.
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The turnovers are an issue. Two against Michigan, three against Wisconsin,
three against Minnesota. Yes, that's a major issue. And they're
not good enough because of their youth, like you've been
talking about, to overcome turnovers. This is not the twenty
seventeen Oklahoma Sooners that are gonna, you know, rack up
eight and a half yards per play. They're not quite
there yet on their offensive side. So when they make
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those mistakes, it's magnified. And what I see is that
you've you've got a mistackle against Michigan and you lose
the game. Okay, Kalo Mullings breaks the tackle and he
runs and sets them up for the score. And then
in this game it's a fourth quarter interception and you
lose the game. And then there's been these two series
and this is what I can't get out of my head.
(17:35):
And I've always been a Lincoln Riley defender. I think
he's one of the best coaches in America. But there
have been two offensive series in those two games against
Michigan and against Minnesota where they rolled out there and
you think, okay, here it is go time, go time.
Three and out, and it's like, with USC's talent and
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that coach, you can't be three and out, you can't
be three out at that at that moment. And even
with that great half of football that they had put
put together against Michigan, in the second half, offensively they
go three and out and they threw the ball a
few times and.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
You're like, what what what is going on? And you
know what, It reminded me of Lincoln's first year as
a head coach. Rose Bull overtime against Georgia. I remember
that Baker Mayfield. I remember that they stopped Georgia. Defense
was on the field for first and stopped Georgia, held
them to a field goal. Baker Mayfield runs onto the
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field and you think to yourself, well, this is that
they're going to win the game. Remember it was their
offense is going to win the game. Yeah, And it's like, wait,
what For whatever reason, there's these moments where Lincoln's offense
kind of wilts in the face of what they need most.
Maybe because it leans heavy on clever and not on power. Yeah,
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they've got to be able to run the football better,
and they're not able to do.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
That this offense.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
One of the reasons I like Texas to win the
National Champion Chip. Every college team has lulls. Texas is like,
all right, let's just run it behind our three first
round NFL guys up front, and it really gets you through. Listen,
you take eighteen year olds on the road, they have
bad Saturday. Of course that terrible happen. Look at last
week five of the top eleven teams in the country. Yes,
what usually gets you past that is Saban would do this, guys,
(19:20):
Let's run the football, let's take the crowd out of it.
Speaker 7 (19:22):
Let's do it.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Last year, that's right, Matt Michigan ran at thirty two
straight times against Penn State. Great old lines in college.
Now Ohio State's got a little bit of that.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
This year. They're gonna go to Oregon. It gets loud.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
You're like, guys, let's do an eleven play drive and
just quiet everybody out.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
This USC team. I keep saying like these are bad matchups.
These are bad. This is a really bad matchup for USC.
Just Penn State wants to run the football. They can
run the football. Are one of the best rushing teams
in the country with this duo of k Tron Allen
and Nick Singleton. Their offensive line is playing really cohesive
together up front, Andy Kotal Nicky, their offensive coordinator is
a really good, creative, solid offensive coordinator. And then guess
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what their defense does. They get after the passer.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
In fact, no team in college football has more sacks
over the last three years than Penn State. And they've
got another excellent pass rushing duo and Denied Dinnis Sometton
on one side he was a former five star, and
Abduall Carter who could be an NFL star, probably a
top five pick in the draft.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Yes, style player. This is not a great matchup for USC.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
All right, let's give Klatteeruski's a top ten I don't
have any pushback on it.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
I don't. Okay, no, you didn't. One of the things
I like that you don't do.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
You don't sell the farm when somebody loses, even though
Bama lost, They're going to be fine. They're a good team.
By the way, I have Georgia still ahead of Bama.
By the way I have Georgia three.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
It's too early for me to get worked up.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Nothing. Okay, I'll say this, I'd put ten. I think
Tennessee's fine. I think Arkansas can be a snake pit.
It happened, so Tennessee.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Here's the reason I've got Tennessee nine, and the reason
I moved him down to nine is that now this
is twice that their quarterback, niek Imi Lava has played
poorly on the road. He did not play great against Ou,
but their defense was spectacular. They win the game in Norman,
and then this week they've got a fourteen to three lead,
a quality, competent offense and quarterback. They can really get
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it done. They take over that game and they stretch
the lead. He was unable to do, so they lose
at nineteen fourteen. He's got to get better of anticipating throws.
Most young quarterbacks have this right, but he holds onto
the football too long. When you watch the film, he
does some things that are exquisite. Colin, I'm telling you
he's playing Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Tennessee on their best days when they when they host Alabama,
watch out, yeah, because Alabama's defense is a wreck right now.
Sixty two points and seven hundred yards in the last
six quarters, and one and four of those quarters were Vandy.
Speaker 7 (21:43):
Holy cow.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
They may have to get rid of Kaalen to moore
those offensive coaches. Am I right? Where's Mike Rabel when
you need him?
Speaker 8 (21:51):
H J.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Rabel's your kind of guy. You know what he brings
to breakfast, to bow and arrow, my kind of guy.
That guy is all man.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
I'm just I'm I'm here. I've listened to you for
too many years. I know you don't like defensive coaches.
As soon as it goes poorly or in the postings,
you're gonna be like these defensive coaches.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
They don't adjust.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
I'm not wrong on that all the time most of
the time. But I like Rabel why because he texts me.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
No, I'm joking. No, I respect him. I like him.
I've liked him forever. That was so good.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
What do you think he's gonna go in and set
Aaron straight like I don't understand?
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Oh yeah, yeah, really yeah. Here's the here's the thing
that you got to understand about the NFL. He does.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
It doesn't matter who your coach is. Oh, give me
a break, you know what, I'll tell you what, It
matters who your quarterback is. Has Bill Belichick done anything
without Tom Brady?
Speaker 2 (22:51):
No?
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Has Andy Reid done anything without Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Really well, he got to a super Bowl and did
he win?
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Well, you're not going to do that, are you. Barkley
doesn't have any trophies either.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
He was pretty good. I'm not saying that they're not good,
but you don't. What are we trying to do here?
Are we're trying to be good? Or are we trying
to win Super Bowl?
Speaker 1 (23:10):
I'll tell you what, my guess. The New York Jets
are all in on trying to win the super Bowl.
That's why you bring Aaron Rodgers in and now you're
trying to give him a coach that's going to get
him to what the divisional round? Good for you, you
guys were kind of good. Okay, roll the tape on this.
I'll tell you what Rabel does. He stands on business.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Oh my gosh, Oh okay, I'm gonna get out of here.
Give it in the day. That's gonna be bouncing around
my head for days.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
He stands, Okay, he's Arizona and BYU with Klatt, it'll
be awesome.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
We gotta go. That's so good.
Speaker 7 (23:47):
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Speaker 1 (23:57):
Man, we got so much going on today. We are
so big by the way. We'll update you on the Steelers,
Russell Wilson, Justin Fields getting very interesting in just a second. First,
O J Mack with the news.
Speaker 7 (24:13):
This is the Herd Line News.
Speaker 8 (24:17):
Game of the Day Sunday will be the Lions Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (24:20):
Sure, you remember last year's thriller.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
It was crazy.
Speaker 8 (24:23):
Essentially, Detroit had a two point conversion for the victory
at the end of the game.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
And they went for it.
Speaker 9 (24:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (24:29):
Taylor Decker had declared himself eligible on the play. The
referees kind of screwed it up the fast they pushed
him back. Dan Campbell decided instead of kicking, I'm gonna
go for it.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
That was two chances. I know. I kind of felt
like the Lions got screwed to the officials.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Although I hate blaming that, and then I thought Dan
got overly emotional. I think Detroit is a better football
operation right now and a better team than Dallas.
Speaker 8 (24:52):
Yeah, we're seeing you know, obviously the bye last week
for Detroit several other teams. How will they come off
the buy are they gonna be a ready to lock?
And Cowboys off an emotional win in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
And I didn't play particularly well.
Speaker 8 (25:03):
Well, think they did drive up and down the field.
They just had Dak turnovers in the red zone and
then he touched down at the very end of the game.
Aiden Hutchison says, Listen, last year's game, it's all in
the past.
Speaker 6 (25:15):
As controversial as last year was, it was last year,
and so I think we're very hopeful and we're all
just ready to go over here. And yeah, we're just
we're on a mission this year. You know, we're not
going to let the past define us.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
He's become arguably the best pass rusher in football. He
and Miles Garrett us off.
Speaker 8 (25:36):
We get TJ.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Watt, No, he's good too, But I'm saying Aiden's moved
into their class indisputably.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Yeah, he is great.
Speaker 8 (25:42):
Yeah, those game rockery. I'm trying to check a Lion's
injury report. There is I get we're waiting on the
practice report today what happened, but they seem healthy coming
out of the buy, right. I think this is Lions
or Lions are nothing here right.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
If that line went down to three, it would be
one of my favorite fats three and a half. The
hook keeps you because if Dallas does move the ball
and Detroit's vulnerable Geno Smith had thirty eight first downs
against in Detroit. You can move the ball up and
down the field on Detroit. So that's what worries me.
Speaker 8 (26:13):
So outdoors this season, Dallas looks good against Cleveland. Outdoors,
Dallas looks good against Pittsburgh. You go indoors on that
fast track. The Saints move them out, will move them
out of the water, so you think indoors. I think
Dallas is kind of a slow team. I don't think
offensively they're they're not fast, They're not a track team,
and defensively we don't think they're very good. So MICA's
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still out on Detroit. We're waiting for Dallas to report
on practice today. But I think this is Lion's probably
by twenty. But then again, I thought the Steelers were
taking him down by twenty So I don't know Steelers.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Steelers aren't as good at quarterback as Detroit.
Speaker 8 (26:51):
Well, you're onto something with Wilson and Fields. We'll get
to that hopefully later. Let's get back to the New
York Jets, because you know it's the Jets and they're
the story of the week. Reportedly, Robert Sala was gonna
take away offensive play calling duties from Nathaniel Hackett, but
somebody ordered the code red on Sala before he could
strip play calling duties from Matt Hackett. There are reports
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that interim head coach Jeff Obrich is considering demoting Hackett.
Diana Ruscini has reported that Hackett does not have a
lot of support on the roster or coaching staff. I
just go back to this Quincy Williams quote Colin from
Sunday talking about accountability, and guy's got to take He's
talking about Aaron Rodgers. He's not talking about the defenders.
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The defense, as you said, played their butts off in
that game against Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Yeah, Aaron today is positioning himself. Oh I love Sala.
Sala's the best. That's That's not what Boomer reported accurately
that it wasn't as rosy as Aaron. Aaron loves everybody
once they've been showing the door. He loved McCarthy, remember
that for years. Oh, I love Mike Jeff Saturday knowledge
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that he would call him an idiot and he would
send plays into the game and Aaron would roll his eyes.
Speaker 8 (28:04):
Because Aaron thinks he's smarter than everybody. I'll say this
if they if Aaron Rodgers poops his pants again in
a big spot against the Buffalo Bills, it's gonna be
They're gonna the Jets players will turn on him if
they haven't already, because he's the reason they lost that
game to the Vikings. Aaron Rodgers three bad interceptions to it,
like the first half, remember those. I've got a fun
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situation brewing in New York. I know you like piling
on and I root for this team.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
But I like piling on. Yeah, mine don't.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
My lass is half full.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
But I think I've been saying this stuff for years.
Green Bay fans suddenly now agree with me. It's like
he is probably right.
Speaker 8 (28:43):
No, I think I think they agreed with you before.
They were kind of happy to move on from him.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
They should have been Jordan Loves a mega talent. Is
I think the Packers are about ready to pop fly away?
Speaker 8 (28:55):
What are the Jets about ready to do poop?
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Packers? Will the pop move? Yeah?
Speaker 8 (29:00):
The final story is Deshaun Watson. Boy, that trade oof
looking really, really bad. He's only started seventeen games. He's
nine to eight, completing sixty percent of his passes. Colin
nineteen touchdown passes in seventeen starts.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
That's it.
Speaker 8 (29:15):
Twelve picks. Then, of course the fully guaranteed two hundred
and thirty million dollars deal. Browns coach Kevin Stefanski says,
the offensive struggles, It's not all Watson's fault.
Speaker 10 (29:27):
Protect the quarterback, but we have we have to find
a way to stay on the football field as an offense.
This is not a one person issue on offense. We
we have the guys, we have the coaches. We will
get it fixed.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
The singular reason Stefanski is defending Deshaun Watson his ownership
because it will look humiliating if Deshaun Watson or to
gets benched. So Stefanski is taking one for the team,
He's taking one for ownership. They know Deshaun's washed it's over.
Speaker 8 (30:03):
And Stefanski will get a job pretty quick in a minute,
likeable if he were to be in.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Those are two.
Speaker 8 (30:09):
Sharp offensive guys. Here's the Browns offensive season. You see
on the screen. It is DFL in three or four categories.
Not good with the Cleveland Browns and Deshaun Watson. I
have I backed them last week against Washington. That was
a little bit of a.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Mistake sometimes sometimes like I'm done backing the Saints.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
I'll never back them again. Those guys are frauds.
Speaker 8 (30:32):
Three straight losses after that too, and it starts.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
But the team that always reels me in a couple
of times, Atlanta Falcons.
Speaker 7 (30:41):
I do.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Atlanta reels me. I like their ownership. I think they
generally draft well. I think they're strong at quarterback. I've
lost more money on the Falcons in my life, and
they just keep reeling me back in. And then you
give me Kirk Cousins, so I get a you know,
like Dak, you get a grown up in the room,
who can you know productive?
Speaker 8 (31:01):
So you see that number eight and a half for
the Eagles and Siriani coming off.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
The back, I don't trust him. I'm not beat. It's
not one of my bets.
Speaker 8 (31:08):
So you don't want to take the Browns, but you
don't want to.
Speaker 9 (31:11):
You know.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
The first thing I do, what what is the Remember
earlier in the year, I did not take the Bengals
Patriots the biggest line of the week. I eliminate the
biggest line of the week. I almost always eliminated. It's
a sucker bat. That's the first thing I do. And
then I start looking at the numbers and what I
look for usually, And I made the mistake last week.
I try to find a good quarterback getting points. And
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last week, you know that good quarterback getting points, I'm
an idiot, was Dak and I took Justin Fields. I
should have taken the good quarterback getting points.
Speaker 8 (31:42):
So you could always tease the Eagles under a field goal,
but teasers of favorites this year have been a disaster,
yew because the underdogs are winning out right. Yeah, it's
been a wacky season. I don't I don't know what
to do with the Eagles here.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
I mean, I stay away.
Speaker 8 (31:56):
That's probably the move.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Jamak with the news.
Speaker 7 (32:00):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the herd.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Line A couple of good stories.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Next on Sean Payton and the Pittspur Steelers Quarterback Dilemma.
Speaker 7 (32:10):
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Speaker 8 (32:19):
Today, it's an NLDS doubleheader featuring a pair of game fours,
starting as the Mets take on the Phillies at four
point thirty Eastern, followed by the Dodgers versus the Padres
at nine all right here on FS one and the.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Fox Sports App.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Initially, I thought Dodgers Phillies would be the greatest National
League Championship series ever. But the more I think about it,
the comeback kids with the Mets and the cocky hungry Padres,
cause I think could be just as good as television.
That is a National League Championship series. It just the
National League feels different. You have four different sensibilities. You
(32:55):
have the Bryce Harper, the favored dominating early this year, Phillies,
and the comeback kids who didn't get hot until like
June Mets, who are unbelievable eighth then ing on, and
then you have the cocky, young, hungry Podres who have
good players, but they don't have the you know, the
gravitas of the highest payroll Dodgers, and I'm like, oh, Phillies,
Dodgers will be great. Honestly, Mets Padres National League Championship Series,
(33:19):
whoever comes in the American League, Guardians, Royals, whoever. But
the National League to me this year it feels like
it's carrying the sport more than traditionally, like a Yankees
brand would be. I think Mets Padres NLCS that's something well.
By the way, Mike Tomlin was asked because now Russell
Wilson's healthy, the calf's better, the world's longest calf injury,
(33:40):
it's better Justin Fields is starting, but just lost.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Mike was asked about it.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
Until Russ gets to a point where we're comfortable with
what we're looking at, he's able to execute auschmatics, he's
able to put the back put together back to back,
the secutive days and so forth. I just think that's
a hypothetical conversation. We're going to continue to push forward
with Justin until those things are legitimate, and then we'll
make decisions accordingly.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
I think when Pete Carroll said years ago Gino and
Drew Locke, there are guys I think he meant it,
and maybe they're close. But when McVeigh and Shanahan in
the same division were moving off Goff and Garoppolo that
got to a Super Bowl. I do feel that offensive
coaches have more urgency at quarterback. I think Pete Carroll
(34:26):
believed that, but Gino and Drew Lock are limited, and
I think Mike Tomlin believes these two guys can get
us to the Promised Land past his prime. Russell not
good enough justin fields, and I think any offensive coach
would be like, yeah, this isn't good enough. And not
only that, offensive coaches like Brian Dabele have the advantage
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in the skill set and the understanding to take an
average quarterback and make him pretty good, not great, pretty good.
I mean what Daball's doing to Daniel Jones, that's just coaching.
So I don't know, you know, I think when Belichick thinks,
you know, Tom's gone, Cam Newton that no, Cam was washed.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
He worked hard, but he was washed at the time.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
I just think offensive coaches are better handling quarterbacks and
have a greater sense of urgency. Andy Reid had Alex
Smith no, no, no, we got to get better. We got upgrade,
and I just think there's about six six guys in
this league max that can hoist a trophy. In the
last twenty years, it's mostly been Brady Mahomes and Peyton Manning.
I mean, it's just I'm sorry that's who's hoisting him.
Speaker 6 (35:34):
So.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Earlier this week, there was a sideline incident Sunday with
a friend of the show, Sean Payton. Now, I had
said in the off season, I thought the Denver Broncos
I said in about twenty times. I know, I get
tedious that I thought, of all the teams in the NFL,
that would be better than what Vegas was predicting. I said,
they're going to blow through five and a half wins.
That was my team last year. It was the Rams
(35:56):
this year. I said, I do not believe Denver's a
five and a half win team. Think they are an
eight or a nine win team. And they're now in
a three game winning streak. But they had a big
brush up on the sideline rookie quarterback Bo Nicks and
you know, Peyton getting after each other, and Sean Peyton
earlier in the week talked about it.
Speaker 5 (36:14):
It's the heat of the moment, it's the game. It's competitive,
the's fiery, and we're looking for passion and we're looking
for people at passion for the game, not other things.
And I think that it's so important to him. I
loved his response. And we're on to the next play
and it's nothing.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
It's nothing.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
So Drew Brees two weeks ago said, if you want
to fight with Sean, you got to get right in
there and be combatant with him. And then when Drew
Brees was on yesterday, I said, you predicted it what
bo Nicks should do and what bow Knicks did when
Sean started barking.
Speaker 9 (36:50):
There's probably some things that Salah said publicly that we
were better just to be kept, you know, private, and
then there were probably reactions from Aaron that he probably
should have just eaten and said, yeah, that's.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
The wrong bite. Do we have the Drew Brees because
Drew Brees two weeks ago said, if Sean gets after
you go right back after him. And then literally this
Sunday we saw Sean Payton go after bow Nicks and
he did exactly what Drew Brees said. He went right
after him. And I think that's the way to do it.
(37:24):
I there are certain coaches I think Sean Payton's a
great example. There are certain coaches who respect you more.
I mean, I'd always rather have somebody confront me if
they're mad at me, the mean passive aggressive and work
behind the scenes, which I think is what Aaron Rodgers does.
He did it with Mike McCarthy. By the way, when
Aaron got rid of Mike McCarthy the minute, it was like,
(37:44):
Mike's a great guy. I have a respect for him.
I had players tell me, two players tell me Aaron
didn't like him. Aaron didn't respect him. That's what you're
hearing in New York today.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
I love Robert great respect. But I think Sean Payton's
one of those guys. And Bill Parcells had this. If
you ever go watch those old NFL films and you
hear Bill Parcell's barking at Phil Simms, some of these coaches,
they want you to bring it right back, and I think,
I like, I think that's the way to do it
with a certain call.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
I don't think.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
I don't think Sean Payton would work with Aaron Rodgers.
Aaron doesn't. Aaron's not going to do that confrontational stuff.
He'll pout Bonix that's not his personality. And I guarantee
Sean Payton when they drafted him, knew this kid'll get
after it. So here is Drew Brees talking about it.
Speaker 9 (38:27):
I think the argument was, man Sean was so particular
about Man, We're like, hey, we're running this on the
right hash into the formation into boundary, like this is
very exact because of how we want the alignment or
we want to create the leverage, and we want to
create the matchup, so everything is very exact right, And
so I think that was this moment where I think
Sean felt like he had, you know, flipped the formation
(38:49):
the wrong way, put it into the boundary when he
wasn't supposed to. And I'm sure Bo was like, no, coach,
I know exactly what you said. This is how we're
going to run it. You know Sean loves that, I'm
telling you.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Yeah, he does.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
He's feisty and he wants you to fight back. And
so now you I don't know if you could handle
that if I get the heat up so with you,
I kind of soft pedal the criticism.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Hey, you did your best, Jay Matc. I appreciate trying
to do better tomorrow.
Speaker 8 (39:16):
What criticism since I've been here, it's been all flowers
and uh J Mackley. I mean we talk shockingly. You
and I text and talk almost every day.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
We do.
Speaker 8 (39:26):
And I gotta be honest. I'll tell the audience. I
asked you, oh, you probably talked to you know, and
some of the other guys in media you know and
talked to and You're like, I don't talk to him
that much.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
And I was like, Wow, I have a bunch of
snakes out there.
Speaker 8 (39:38):
I feel honored, cowhurt.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
No, that's right now.
Speaker 8 (39:40):
I don't know how you would like you if I
came back at you like bo Nick's coming back at Peyton.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
I do think when games are happening. I always defended
Brady barking at Josh McDaniels. I defended Peyton Manning barking
at Jeff Saturday. I have I have no problem Lebron's
the opposite. Lebron will work to get your canned behind
(40:05):
the scenes. I have no problem with a Kevin Garnett
and his prime barking at Doc Rivers. I have no
problem at all of that. That's real, that's authentic. You're
human emote. Please, let's get it out of the way.
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