June 27, 2025 • 42 mins
Colin talks to basketball insider Jeff Goodman to get insight on Ace Bailey’s story and the expectations for #1 overall pick Cooper Flagg
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Speaker 3 (00:30):
Welcome in.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
It is our two all fired up on a Friday,
one hour down. Jeff Goodman, By the way, college basketball
guy's gonna join us this hour on that Ace Bailey story,
which is a bummer because reportedly he's not a bad kid,
but that situation in Utah, he's the one kid didn't
show up for workouts. Apparently his agent, who's not certified
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by the NBA Players Association, is giving a batted buy,
so that thing has gone sideways fast. I was talking
to a friend yesterday when I love the NFL Draft,
like I watched the whole thing. I would say a
sixth rounder in the NFL Draft is comparable to a
second rounder in the NBA Draft.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
I was talking to the staff this morning.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
I don't want to call the player out, but it
was one of the first players taken at the top
of the second round in the NBA draft. He was
a player taken in the top of the second round.
I don't want to pick on him. He's a young kid,
but literally the scouting report was he gets lost. He
doesn't Wow, he doesn't. No, no, I mean this is
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what the scouts said. They're like, he doesn't, he can't
kind of keep up. And I'm thinking, well, the NBA
is twice as fast as college basketball, Like, the NBA
is warp speed and at the college level, this is
the first player taken in the second round. They were like,
he's a deep, rotational player. The NBA game is going
to be too fast for him. He gets lost offensively,
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and it's like, so that's why with the NBA draft,
I think we have to be very careful.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Jokich was a second rounder. That is unheard of.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
It's by the way, I had a GM tell me this.
He has since passed, but told me this twenty years ago.
He is out after the fourteenth pick. It's coin flipping,
you really, there are eighteen year old kids. You can
say that, but they're outliers Dramon and jok.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
The basketball pool globally is much deeper now. Than it
was twenty years ago. The sixth round verse second round
is interesting. So NFL rosters are over fifty guys. NBA
is barely not even fifteen guys. So it's like, it's
so it's so difficult to make over.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
But remember this in the NBA. Well, but remember this
half of the NFL is undrafted.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Yeah, that too.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
So you say there's not that big of a pool,
it's a global pool. Well, the truth of the matter is,
look at look at every college football player eligible for
the NFL draft. It's an FCS one hundred and thirty
pro and you have so many guys in a roster. Yeah,
so it is they're different drafts. You plug immediate holes
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in the NFL draft immediate in the NBA. You maybe
get three players a draft maybe that can plug an
immediate hole like the Like the Mavericks need more playmaking boom.
The Sixers could use a disruptive defensive guard kid from
Baylor boom. But I think even a Dylan Harper, the
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number two pick. Ron Harper's kid, he's gonna it's gonna
take him an entire season to figure out where he
is fitting in offensively to the Spurs.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
But at the same time, like the NBA, players are
playing much longer. There's a report we'll talk about in
herdline here Sef Curry. He ain't going anywhere like guys
are playing fifteen twenty years in the NBA NFL. You know,
you hit thirty years old. Then as a wide receiver,
you're kind of sort of washed. You know, the windows
much smaller. Plus you have to play three years in college.
So it's a decent comparison. Second round verse six, I
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don't hate it.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
So And by the way, you have had one or
two all time great players in the second round in
the NBA. You have also had some incredible players like
Tom Brady in the sixth round of the NFL. There
are Hall of famers in the sixth round and the
second of the NBA. But it is a lot of
in the NFL. It is just it is special teams,
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guys in rotational guys in the sixth round if they
make it. And in the second round of the NBA,
there's a lot of guys. Like you said, players are
playing longer. There are a lot of guys just not
gonna make it. They're gonna go play and they'll be
in Europe in three years, they just won't stick around.
So I saw this story SI dot com. This is
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the story the Niners gave brock Purty the richest contract
in franchise history, which means Kyle Shanahan probably will be
on the hot seat if the Niners missed the playoffs. Okay,
Andy Reid and Belichick got fired, so anybody can get fired.
But Annie Reid was out of work for about forty
five minutes before the phone rang. In life, in business,
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in sports, you have to identify your weakness. Like it's
not just about bringing other people in. What don't we
do well? Kyle Shanahan and the Niners are not drafting well.
It's on John Lynch. But I will say this, this
is a problem in the NFL because Jimmy Johnson was
the very rare head coach and Sean Payton falls into this.
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They're great with personnel, so when they get I said,
this year's draft by Denver felt like Sean Payton had
a hand in it. I don't always love that. But
Jimmy Johnson, he was great at personnel, came from college,
knew it. Jim Harbaugh knows personnel. Kyle Shanahan's dad was
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an NFL guy. Kyle Shanahan's really an NFL guy. I
think he's got too much say in personnel. I think,
and I'll tell you it's one of those things where
coaches want power. Belichick, Pete Carroll, and Kyle Shanahan have power,
but sometimes you don't have culpability because you have so
much say in the draft. John Snyder is one of
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the smartest personnel guys in the league the Seahawks GM.
He almost left because Pete Carroll after Paul Allen's death,
had way too much power and the Seahawks were missing
on a lot of first and second round guys. John
Snyder got the power back and Seattle's had, in my opinion,
three very good drafts. I thought that the best draft
this year in the NFL. So it's hard enough to
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be a coach. To be a coach in GM, go
look at Belichick.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
I've been on this.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
You know this. Belichick's last seven drafts, he controlled them.
They're awful. They're awful. And I don't like the Niners drafts.
I liked the first couple Niners drafts. Kyle didn't have
the power. Then he started showing up the Super Bowls
and multiple NFC championships. Then Kyle got more power, and
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I think they have reached on players overdrafted wide receiver,
which you can get second, third, fourth, fifth round, third round,
on plenty of guys. So I think what Kyle's going
through because I think he's a great coach. He's not
a perfect coach. PFF had him seventh last year. He's
not a perfect coach. McVeigh, Andy Reid about as close
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to perfect as you can get. Jim Harbaugh, John Harbaugh
really really good. But I think Shanahan's issue he now
has Remember, coaches are making fifteen million a year, gms
are making five if that, So the owner knows where
he's paying the big money. And the guy who's making
the most money, I mean Sean McVay. Thank god, he
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and less sneed get along. He's making a lot more
than less sneed. He's got the ultimate power in that building.
McVeigh is good with personnel, but he's also not power hungry.
So I think Shanahan's going through a little of what
Pete Carroll did at the end of Seattle and what
Belichick went through several years in New England. He's got
so much power and so much respect he's making he's
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they are, he should have less say in personnel because
I do not like at all. I think San Francisco
is starting to feel like Belichick's last several drafts. They
are reaching for guys. I mean they took a kicker
in the third round, Like what are you doing? And
and and it hasn't been great Julian Edelman and again,
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you know there's this Kyle Shanahan worship in the league.
Here's Julian Edelman earlier this week on Shanahan.
Speaker 5 (08:34):
He's a great coach, but you know he's a coach
that likes to play from ahead. Whenever he plays from behind,
is he's not really you know, he stays, he stays
to the play sheet. So like if we take a
look at the forty nine ers, you know when when
they don't have a lead, that the stats are terrible.
When they play from ahead, they play the game the
way they want to play. When their team is constructed
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to play that way, they're a really great football team.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Now now they usually do get a lead.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
And this is why he's a great much like Andy
Reid in Philadelphia that was getting to a Super Bowl
and getting to NFC championships with kind of B and
C quarterbacks. Kyle Shanahan since he's been in San Francisco,
has the third rated offense, and he's done it with
I mean, let's be fair here, Rock Perty, Jimmy Garoppolo,
Trey Lance, Nick Mullins, c J Bethard. So's he to me?
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He's got kind of the Andy Reid thing. Andy Reid
got to a super Bowl in Philly, did not win.
Kyle's getting the super bowls, not winning, but consistently they
feel like they're a conference championship level team. And it's
much easier to do with Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes
than it is with the Niners quarterbacks. So I think
San Francisco's issue is Kyle's got a little bit too
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much say in personnel. I don't mind Sean Payton having
some because I think he and Jimmy Johnson are about
as good as it gets. Jim Harbaugh two being NFL
guys with a real understanding of college personnel.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
It is rare.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Andy Reid doesn't, and Andy Reid knows it. So Andy
Reid lets Brett Beach control and he's a pro guy.
Andy hasn't been in college he's a pro guy and
he knows it. He's not arrogant. He lets Brett Beach
do it. But the more power these coaches get, they
start leaning on the gm let GMS gm let John
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Snyder and Jason Lyton Tampa and Chris Spouder let him
GM It's hard enough to be a great coach to do.
But Mike Holmbron was in Seattle. Mike Holmgren's brilliant guy,
great all time coach. There was a time in Seattle.
I think he had a little too much sand personnel,
and the Seattle had a couple of week drafts and
it was like, oh, coach has too much. Say just
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the thought, all right. The Ace Bailey story is sad
where the adults the agent's not helping.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Talk about that next with Jeff Goodman, Hurt.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
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Speaker 6 (11:08):
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Speaker 1 (11:38):
So it's announced today. Aaron Judge of the Yankees show
Hey O Tani was announced yesterday. Actually, they are the
leading vote getter, so they're already into the All Star Game.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
The NBA.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Had a bird Magic moment, which I don't think it
saved the NBA, but NBA was in pretty harsh circumstances.
It's very rare when the two players and the two
faces of a sport are in the two I would
argue most iconic franchises. Yankees are clearly the most iconic
franchise I think globally. The Dodgers have become number two.
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And I always said this about the Red Sox, even
when it was at the other place and was right
next door. The Red Sox are dunkin Donuts. The further
you get away from New England the less you drink it,
whereas the Yankees are Starbucks, Beijing, Boise. It's big everywhere, right,
So the Yankees are number one. I think the Dodgers
have become the Cubs are like a smaller version of
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the Dodgers, where but a lot of their reputation is
built on losing and Wrigley Field. I think the Dodgers
now are the number two. Brandon baseball. I think that
is the power of Sho heeo Twi and his connection
to the Pacific rim. But I mean the Yankees and
Dodgers played last year where they're in Judge and Otani.
The World Series ratings were up sixty seven percent. That
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is that is insane for a number. So it doesn't happen.
It's very much what's happening in baseball. And have I
or have I not talked more baseball in the last
two years?
Speaker 3 (13:08):
How do you not?
Speaker 1 (13:10):
It's their bird magic moment and they're just incredible guys.
Sports fans are lucky. I mean, what have we got
jerks like as our best Flay Oh Tawny is about
the most gracious guy in the world. You can throw
a baseball hit him in the back at one hundred
miles an hour and he's like, it's all good.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
I'm good.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
And Aaron Judge again, wonderful family, wonderful kid, incredibly humble
and gracious. But you just do not see it in
sports very often. What are the two biggest NFL franchise? Okay,
Dallas Cowboys, Packers is Packers arguably too. Was there ever
a time that the two biggest stars in the NFL
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were Cowboys? Who was a Packer quarterback when Aikman was there?
And who is the quarterback when Farv was there? That
doesn't happen very often, Romo, I think you know, it
was a bunch of different guys. Just it doesn't happen
that the Packers and the Cowboys would have the two
biggest stars in the NFL. Now, the NFL is like
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their best players are all in small markets right now,
which is extraordinary.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
But do we find.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
One Otanian Judge, It's Burden, Magic, Celtics, Lakers, and off
the top of my head, the NFL also doesn't need that.
It doesn't matter Baltimore and Green Bay and Kansas City
and Buffalo can be dominant in the NFL. Nobody cares.
But there's a reason we talk more baseball in the show,
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and it's Otani and Judge are a big part of it.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Jmack with the News, No, no.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
This is the what is the second big?
Speaker 1 (14:47):
I mean, I don't think the Cowboys are America's team.
I think it's Kansas City has surpassed them, although network
network executives. But I'm saying so if it's Dallas is
still one network's executives, I think Kansas City is number two, right,
Kansas City's number two?
Speaker 4 (15:02):
Yeah, I mean I guess for now. You know Mahomes, Kelsey,
Taylor Swift. Sure, and they're winning, but if they missed
the playoffs, so they can't possibly be America's team. I
Aliston missed the playoffs and still be America's team.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
I think, yeah, yeah. You know a team that's underrated.
I think the Buffalo Bills with Josh Allen, like the Cubs.
They don't lose as much as a Cubs, but they
got that Cubs quality. We all really want to see
these legendary losers. Now, the losing for the Cubs was
just all the time. The losing for Buffalo has often
been in Super Bowls, in conference championship. I think if
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Buffalo got to the Super Bowl, I think it would
smash if they played a you know, a decent brand.
I said this last year, Buffalo and the Detroit Lions
and the Super Bowl obliterates because the storyline would be
you'd get so many casuals to watch the Bills in
the Lions. Super Bowl would smash. Yeah, every super Bowl
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TV record of all time.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
What about Jets forty nine ers, That probably would do
even bigger because the Jets are the biggest losers the
last fifteen.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Yeah, but they're totally unlikable. They're losing his dysfunction. Nobody
likes the Jets. They have lost because of themselves.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
That's not nice. All right, Let's that's really mean. All right.
Let's go to the headline news and start with Steph Curry,
my guy entering his seventeenth season. He just turned thirty
seven in March Colin. Interestingly, his dad, Del Curry, was
just on a podcast recently and said, I think Steph
could play well into his forties before hanging them up.
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We're not talking six or eight years, but he has
many several years left.
Speaker 7 (16:44):
Now.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
This is interesting. Remember Isaiah Thomas like popped his achilles
and was done in the NBA, like thirty two years old,
Larry Bird's back broke down. He retired early, Magic Johnson, HIV.
The biggest stars in the league historically have left early.
Now we're seeing on into his forties and hearing Steph
Curry could play into his forties. This is great for basketball.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Well, yeah, he's also a shooter, like hyper athletic guys
age fast, Cam Newton age really fast. You know who
didn't Tom Brady. So it depends on what your game is.
Number jose Reis played for the Mets, and he was
like a super fast based dealing guy. I always remember
that he was like, oh, everybody was like he's amazing.
Like three years later, you're like, not the same player,
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because he athleticism was the key. And so I mean,
look at Tiger Woods power, torque, unbelievable really quickly. It
felt like man, three year period.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
He is aging now.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
So I think the more power, the more torque, the
more physicality to any sport, you age faster. So I
think Curry is more of a finesse player and a shooter.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
But then Lebron like, what's the argument against him? I
mean he's powerful.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
I mean he's lower the record. Let me just say
this about Lebron. About ten years ago, he started spending
a lot of his time on the perimeter. The Lebron
James has never been a great rebounder. He doesn't want
any part of that. That's not what the Lebron gets
out in transition.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
He doesn't.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Lebron doesn't want to defend the rim. Lebron doesn't want
to get bullied inside. Lebron has lived at the hash
mark going forward. He wants the ball he wants to
get in transition. So Lebron smartly moved to the perimeter
and got out of the redwood trees years ago.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
Sounds like my game, Collin. Let's stick in the NBA
big news out of Toronto where the Raptors have parted
ways with team president messaiu JII after thirteen seasons with
the team brought them their loan title. This guy has
beloved in media circles. Colin, You could read any article
from NBA people who listen to a podcast. Nobody says
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a negative word about this guy. They all love him,
which probably means he's a source to a lot of them.
That being said, he did make the gamble. Bring on
Kawhi Leonard and brought Toronto a title. But it is
interesting that they fire him after the draft.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
That's what you should do. Don't screw the draft up.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Remember the Raiders a couple of years ago, didn't they
fire or somebody before a draft or somebody did that
in sports and we were all like, what was then?
You're bringing new people before the draft and you're not organized.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
Well, okay, so if you were drafted by the Raptors.
Wait a minute, the guy that just drafted me got fired.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
That ain't great.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
No, you complete the scouting in the draft. He's obviously
a very competent human being. You may want to move
off somebody, but I want to do it at the
least disruptive period. What is the least disrupted period in
the NBA? The day after the draft?
Speaker 4 (19:36):
Well, now you got you got two a week before
free agency starts. I have a conspiracy theory that they
were swinging for the fences here with KD with Giannis
struck out on both of them and said, you can't
deliver us etic for anymore. And I think they got
rid of it now. Zach Here, a producer, is a
big Lakers guy, and he's saying, why why wouldn't the
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Lakers go after a Messiah Zieri who's done some really
good things in Toronto? Find a wayle Lowry DeRozan all
that stuff.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
I'm not gonna blame that GM for not landing players
in Toronto. How many NBA guys Steve Nash didn't want
to go play in Canada? Like Canada is not where
NBA Vancouver had a team for an hour and it disbanded.
So I'm not blaming the GM because a bunch of
guys don't want to play. I mean, if you're Yannis,
I'm already in cold weather. I want to go colder.
What's the point the taxes, the weather. It's a winter league.
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So I'm not gonna blame a GM because you can't
land free agents in Toronto.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
You think the Lakers should make a play for him
or I mean, Laska is a divisive figure in the
Laker kingdom out here, Okay, he will love him or
hate him. He just delivered Lucas, so I don't think
you can fire him now, but could you maybe give
him a different title and bring in Messiah Zieri?
Speaker 3 (20:44):
All I know is Mark Walters.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
The first big move he made with the Dodgers, was
go getting Tampa's Friedman, the GM of the Tampa Rays
like considered like the young Mark Shapiro, like the brilliant
guy went.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
And got him.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
You know, if you go look at owners who are aggressive,
the first thing I do is get the GM, right,
get the GM eventually hires the coach. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
Final story con is onto the NFL for a couple
of head coaches are on the hot seat heading into
Week one. According to CBS, these are the top five
coaches on the hottest seats at five Sean McDermott of
Buffalo Maybe Shane Steikin's at four. I don't know about that.
Zach Taylor three, he should be one, Mike McDaniel two,
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Brian Dable number one. The hottest seat kind.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Of means Stichen what I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
I think a lot of people are tying him to
Anthony Richardson, But I don't think that Richardson keeps getting hurt.
Is that Psichen's fault?
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Well, Dabel, McDaniel and Zach Taylor, okay, fine, Sean McDermott
is probably say seen Steikin, well, he'd be again.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
I mean, I don't think McDermott, like, how would you
fire McDermot? Is it super Bowl or bust? I have
them winning the super Bowl, but that doesn't mean if
they lose in the AC Championship.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Well, iray, it's.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
The way they lost with those they looked at disorganized
on Josh Allen's quarterback sneaks and it was like, they
don't look like they practiced it. It's the way they're
losing where they feel like they're getting kind of out
coached and out detailed offensive league. He's in point.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
I think you got to have Zach Taylor one. I mean,
they with Burrow having a historic season, they missed the playoffs.
They've gone. They've been backsliding since the Super Bowl trip.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Some of that's ownership, though, Yeah, I would say the
Brown family ownership. I would defend Zach Taylor. I know
people don't like his clock management. Folks, you didn't like
Andy Reid's and then they got Mahomes and suddenly you
loved it. Like I'd slow down on the clock management.
I don't think many coaches in the league are great
with the clock. I'm honestly, I think it's a tiny number.
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Jmack with the News, well, that's the news, and thanks
for stopping by heard line. You know, I've said this
about the NBA Draft. I'm not gonna have I'm not
going to come in too hot, high or low. It's
very much outside of two or three players, it's a
projection draft.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
These are eighteen nineteen year old kids.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
The story that really disappointed me, and I led my
show with it today is the Ace Bailey situation where
it's like where the adults like, he's got an agent
that's not certified. I mean, it was just I thought
he was a little tone deaf on his sort of
reaction during it. Now there's a story out today that
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his agent or he told one of the top five
teams I won't go there. Walter Clayton's already showed up
in Utah. He hasn't and reportedly he's a good kid.
It's not him. But I talked about this to start
the show. There are lots of people in America when
you're girls mature faster than boys. There's a lot of sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, nineteen,
twenty year old boys. They need guidance, dad, mom, surrogate, parent, whatever,
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they need guidance. I feel like with Ace I'm like,
where are the adults helping you? He's already got a
strike against him now, as Draymond Green talked about, where
are the adults helping this kid?
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Because he is talented, many.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
People argue he's the second best player in the draft
and he fell to five. Jeff Goodman Basketball Insider Stadium
co founder field with sixty eight at Goodman Hoops. Okay,
I read three stories. Two are like, not a bad kid.
He's not a bad kid. He's getting bad advice. So,
I mean, I've talked about this before. Is in my life,
I had a great step dad, I had strong people
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around me. You know, the father son thing wasn't great,
and thank God for it. My take is, Jeff, is
it possible here the kids just getting really bad advice?
Speaker 7 (24:42):
Not possible, probable, probable that he's getting bad advice. And again,
you know, you're seventeen years old and now you've got
this world of nil and a ton of money on
the table even.
Speaker 8 (24:53):
Before you get to the NBA Draft.
Speaker 7 (24:56):
So you've got to pick an agent now, and a
lot of these are low level agents right now that
are in the mix. And I'm sure Ace Bailey wasn't
the one choosing his agent here. But you know it's
a guy named Omar Cooper. He's got no other NBA clients.
He's had a history of legal issues throughout his life.
Speaker 8 (25:18):
Colin.
Speaker 7 (25:18):
I caught Win before the season that they were asking
for money for interviews, which I've been doing this twenty
five years, right, twenty five years. I've never had anybody
ask me for money. So I was kind of intrigued.
I'm like, all right, I'm not calling this dude, Mark Cooper.
Let's find out what's going on. So I called him
and played dumb. He I'd love to talk to Ace Bailey,
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you know, get him on our network.
Speaker 8 (25:42):
Make him look good.
Speaker 7 (25:43):
You know, that's what I do, like try to loosen
these kids up, show their personality. It's like, no, no, they're
not doing it unless you pay. And I'm like, no, no, dude,
I'm not paying. I'm not paying to do an interview
with a kid. I'm going to help the kid, give
him a platform, make him look good.
Speaker 8 (25:59):
He said, well, you're making money off these kids.
Speaker 7 (26:02):
I said, trust me, you can have the eight dollars
that I'm going to make off this YouTube interview.
Speaker 8 (26:07):
Okay, that's going to be on YouTube.
Speaker 7 (26:09):
Go get a big mac with it, because I'm not
making any money off Ace Bailey in a fifteen minute interview.
So that was the first red flag. And obviously we've
seen him since now. I will say this talking to
a ton of people around as Bailey, whether it's at Rutgers,
whether it was back in Georgia, he is a good
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kid who works his butt off and loves basketball. Is
he immature, Absolutely, most of us were at that age.
But again, the biggest problem here is not Ace Bailey necessarily,
it's his representation.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
I'll give you a kid, I think. And again I
don't want to come in hot because in the NFL Draft,
I've seen these kids for four years. I will put
my stand on Jaden Daniels and go that's good or
bow Nicks. I'm not going to pretend I followed college basketball.
At college football, I do think Carter Bryant.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
I watch Arizona play.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
I thought, if you told me there was a guy
that went like lower mid first that hit, I'm like,
it's that kid. So, by the way, you can rip
me apart here. But I watch Arizona probably six seven
times a year. I watched the tournament. I watched him
and thought, I don't know if he'll be a great
NBA score That dude in San Antonio is going to
be a baller? What do you make of him?
Speaker 8 (27:31):
It's what I love about you, first of all, and
I've always loved about you. You don't pretend to act like
you know everything about everything right, unlike some other people
at networks. We were app before. But you're right about
Carter Bryant.
Speaker 7 (27:42):
He's a three inded dude who can shoot the ball
and defend at a high level. And he's got length
and size. Yeah, and he's just scratching the surface of.
Speaker 8 (27:50):
What he's going to be.
Speaker 7 (27:52):
The big question I have Colin is in San Antonio,
not necessarily with Carter Bryant, but everything else.
Speaker 8 (27:59):
Is he going to come out of the.
Speaker 7 (28:00):
Gates and be able to make shots because they don't
have great floor spacing in San Antonio right now. Dylan Harper,
Ace Failey's teammate at Rutgers, by the way, both picked
in the top five they didn't make the NCAA tournament
this past year. Is not a great shooter. He's a
poor man's Kate Cunning is really what he is. Steph Castle,
the rookie of the year. Not a great shooter, Big
Tom Avableete, big strong, Daron Fox.
Speaker 8 (28:24):
We know he's a blur. Probably the fastest.
Speaker 7 (28:27):
Point guard in the NBA right now other than is Smid,
but again, not.
Speaker 8 (28:31):
A great shooter.
Speaker 7 (28:32):
So I like the Carter Brian pick because of that,
because he is a guy that eventually will be able
to space the floor.
Speaker 8 (28:38):
Will he be able to do it right away?
Speaker 1 (28:40):
I don't know, So I'll be interested in your opinion
on this. So I've been on this now for about
six months. As I grew up loving college basketball, Jamack
and I talk about this. There was a time in
my life my favorite basketball was not the NBA. It
was the Big East. It was Patino, Carlisimo, John Thompson.
I was a West Coast kid. I didn't watch back
twelve basketball, the Big East, Big Big East Monday. And
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I love the NBA as well. But there and all
of a sudden, the G League is created. I have
never been a fan. I think the coaching is better,
I think the environments are better in college. I want
kids to I think one of the advantages the NFL
has you got to go to college for three years,
take classes, hang out with non athletes.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
The coaching is hard. I don't like the G League.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
So when we got to the finals this year, Jeff,
it was the Pacers, O case thunder, is.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Any G League guys.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
It was a lot of guys who have been in
college basketball for two, three and four years.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
I loved it.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
So I will tell you the NIL, in my opinion,
is really saving college basketball. When I watched the Yukon
team two years ago, I'm like, Okay, that team could
compete against UNLV and Larry Johnson.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
That is a real team.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
So everybody complains about the NIL, I think the NIL
is say college basketball. In my argument, this is a
long question. This is the first draft. This is the
first NIL draft where it's going to be heavy, domestic,
easier to follow, even the international guys playing the States.
This is the first draft for the next however, long
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like the old drafts where I've seen the players play.
I know that's a long, long window, but your thought on.
Speaker 8 (30:24):
That it's not. And you're right because in the old days,
what was it? When you and I were young, it was.
Speaker 7 (30:30):
Like, unless you're a top five to ten pick, you're
going back to school. Then it became unless you're a
lottery pick, you're going back to school.
Speaker 8 (30:37):
Then it became first rounder.
Speaker 7 (30:39):
Then it started to become you know what, even if
you can get a guaranteed deal in the second round,
a lot of those guys were gone. Now the biggest
difference coling is these kids that are that are twenty
five to forty five, are undrafted or second rounders. They
can make two, three million dollars, even four million dollars
right now. Now, again, this might be a one off
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type ee. I think those numbers will dip a little bit,
but it was rare to have a kid like think
about yassel Land of Bird's a kid who transferred from UAB.
Speaker 8 (31:10):
He's going to Michigan next year. Probably would have been.
Speaker 7 (31:13):
Drafted in the twenty five to thirty five range, and
instead of rolling the dice whether he's going to get
a guaranteed first round draft.
Speaker 8 (31:20):
Pick, you know he did. He went to.
Speaker 7 (31:22):
Michigan and he's going to get a guaranteed three million
plus at Michigan.
Speaker 8 (31:26):
So you're right.
Speaker 7 (31:27):
It's changing the game to whereas these guys that aren't
guaranteed lottery picks, they're saying to themselves, I can make
more money going.
Speaker 8 (31:34):
Back to college.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Cooper Flag, what's the hole in his game?
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Jeff Goodman.
Speaker 8 (31:42):
I wish I had one. I had one going into
the year.
Speaker 7 (31:45):
In fact, I was like, I don't think he's a guy.
Speaker 8 (31:47):
You can build your Francesse around. I don't. I don't
think he could be a number one. And I'd seen
him fifty times.
Speaker 7 (31:53):
AAU ball going into Duke, and I didn't think it
was a great shooter.
Speaker 8 (31:58):
I thought his handle was loose.
Speaker 7 (32:01):
You know, he's an elite level defender, passer, all that.
But after watching him this past season at Duke do
what he did, I'm convinced he will be a top
ten player in the NBA within five years, could be
a top five player. I would be shocked if he's
not a top ten player. Shot he's got.
Speaker 8 (32:21):
I've been doing this twenty five years.
Speaker 7 (32:23):
There's no player I have seen coming out of college
that has fewer holes in their game than Cooper Flag.
That doesn't mean he shoots it better than Kevin Durant,
that doesn't mean, you know, he remounds it better than Shock.
But overall, nobody has fewer holes in their game. Nobody's
more well rounded than Cooper Flag.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
That's an awesome take, you know, it's I said this
as a comp People think I don't like Jason Tatum.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
I do. I wish it was more aggressive.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
I say, Cooper Flag is a hyper aggressive Jason Tatum
at Duke where it's like, give me the ball, get
out of here. I read a story about Kaitlyn Clark.
Christine Brennan has a book on Kaitlyn Clark. Caitlyn Clark
when she was like seventh grade, trailed by eleven points
with a minute seven seconds left, she went in a
thirteen to nothing run and didn't pass the ball.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
It's like, I.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Want Jason Tatum to have just a little bit of that.
But uh, Jeff Goodman, his stuff is a field of
sixty eight college basketball network at Goodman Hoops knows his stuff.
Loved your takes Man, Great SENI.
Speaker 8 (33:26):
You love you call him great Senior too.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
Yep. We called him late today.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
I always appreciate that when we call somebody late and
they have time for us. But he thinks he can
be And I love Jeff. What he's saying is, I
didn't think he was that good this year, and then
he improved. Young people make massive jumps, like like seventeen
year old to nineteen year old. I mean, once you're
forty five in life, maybe you'd stop smoking or something.
(33:51):
You know, you know, you don't make me. What you
are at forty three is what you are mostly. I mean,
even if you go on to diet neat better, it
lasts like eighteen months and then you go back to
Heinekens and Sloppy Jones for lunch. Like, I mean, let's
be honest about it. At this point, I'm not changing.
It's hard to get me to get a haircut, like
I mean, I'm just not changing. This is what you
get and it's pretty good.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
But there's no more changes. I'm done changing.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Cold plunge, not interested pickleball league. Talk to somebody else
not doing it.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
It's the hurt.
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Speaker 1 (34:41):
So, Paige Becker's a rookie in the WNBA, great player
Yukon really really gonna be a multiple time All Star
in the league eventually, And she said the treatment of
Caitlin Clark and the scrutiny is inhumane. And my take is, no,
this is the privilege of being relevant, and the WNBA
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before last year it was not a relevant league. It
just wasn't talked about on local or national talk shows
anywhere any network. And now it is. And that's sometimes
the way it works. So Tiger Woods, we talked a
lot more golf with Tiger than without. But if you
look at Caitlin Clark's impact whither this year they have
a winning record and they average about ninety a game.
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Without her, they average about seventy half, seventy five, seventy
six points a game. So she's Jokic, She's the difference
between winning and losing. She's Steph Curry. But this whole
thing about the criticism of her three point shooting slump
is in humane. Might take his magic. Johnson was already
a two time champ and a finals MVP. He had
a bad game game in the eighty four finals and
(35:45):
he got the nickname Tragic Johnson. Okay, Steph Curry was
already a unanimous MVP. Because andre Igwoodala won a finals MVP,
he was suddenly labeled system player overrated. That's the price
of relevance. So the w NBA literally flew commercial airlines
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like you and me I mean, you could literally jump
on a plane out of Vegas and you're sitting next
to Asia Wilson, and then Caitlin Clark arrived and they
fly private, which is in itself pretty cool privilege. Right,
that's not guaranteed for all leagues, But this is the
price of it. It's not inhumane, it's the reality is
(36:29):
that more eyeballs, bigger opinions, more opinions, and now people
look at Caitlin Clark's.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
Game and now that you even.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Can pick it apart a little, here's Rick Patino this week.
Speaker 9 (36:42):
She's a great passer. She reminds me of Steph Curry
when Steph Curry came into the league. She's doing what
step did early on. She has unbelievable range, she has
great visions, She's a terrific passa.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
You know, she's.
Speaker 9 (36:54):
Physically a little weak, but that's that's she'll she'll get
stronger as time goes on. But she really understands how
to play. And she reminds me of a female version
of Steph Curry. Incredible range.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
Yeah, there's no question.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
But this is just you know, like if you're a
politician and you get blasted, that's a good thing.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
You're getting discussed right.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
Like, if you go look at people that start businesses
in this country, the one thing most of them want
is marketing. They're dying even if it's negative. You know,
talk about us, Please, somebody write about us. We'd like
it to be positive, but we need name recognition. So
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she's gonna be just fine. I talked about this earlier.
There's a story out that the Cowboys are gonna sign
Micah Parsons to a historically big deal. I like Micah
Parsons a lot. I don't think he's nearly as good
as Miles Garrett, Max Crosby, Hendrickson, Aiden Hushison, and as
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a rookie, Jared Verse came in and was better and
is stronger. So I said earlier, I believe that in
the NFL the secret is paying for offense and drafting
defense and keeping it very young because defensive players get
hurt more often, more regularly. There's five NFL defensive players
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I would pay whatever it takes, and that is Miles Garrett,
Jared Vers, eventually, Max Crosby, Patrick Sartan, and Chris Jones.
Now Hendrickson for the Bengals is three years older than
Max Crosby, and he's sort of so so against the run.
So he's close. Will Anderson's very close. Sauce Gardner a
couple of years ago, maybe, but he feels like he's
(38:43):
gone backwards J Mack. But Chris Jones is the rare
interior defensive lineman. I think Jalen Carter's probably number six
for me. I'd like maturity scares me a little, but
we'll see. But if you talk about great interior defensive lineman,
everybody says Reggie White, Aaron Donald. Why because there's very
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few game changing interior defensive lineman. Chris Jones although he's thirty,
that's old for an interior d lineman. Chris Jones is
getting into that territory. Is he gonna go top three
or four all time? I think Edge Rusher's well, I
mean they're say to yourself, I mean there, think about
the great journey.
Speaker 4 (39:27):
Not only is he thirty, Colin, he's starting thirty one
on July third, So are you sure you would pay
him now?
Speaker 8 (39:34):
No?
Speaker 4 (39:35):
I mean you keep bagging on other guys who are
thirty TJ. Watt and these guys Chris Jones about to
be thirty.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
One next week he's PFF's number one.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
So he was last year.
Speaker 4 (39:44):
That doesn't mean he's gonna be next year.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
I like him.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
I would take eighty hunches and over him going forward.
Obviously not for what they've done in the pat.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
Heat, but he's edge. Yeah, there's more. There's more edges
out there.
Speaker 4 (39:56):
Let me toss a random name out to you. He's
not that random. Kyle Hamill the safety of the Ravens.
I know safety is not a premium position. Let me
make the quick argument. He's the only player in the
NFL to rank in the according to PFF and the
highest great top eighty five percent against the run and pass.
He can come up in the box and stuff you.
He could guard your tight ends. Remembery he famously did well.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
He's great football.
Speaker 4 (40:19):
Yeah, and he reads the game in the backfield like
he's awesome. I think he's got to be at least
top seven.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
He's great. I mean it's funny.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
Ed Reid's the best safety I've ever seen play. Kyle
Hamilton is grading out like an Ed Reader or Ronnie Lott.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
Like he's just good at everything.
Speaker 4 (40:39):
He's amazing.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
I think Chris Jones, three straight All pros, has shown
no signs of aggression, still dominant and unblockable. And and
he also he'll move outside or play inside. He is
j Jalen Carter's not moving outside. So but those are
the five guys I would pay. And again it's close.
I mean the other day, I remember I did the
seven untradeable athletes. I'm not saying I'd want to trade Wemby,
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but I you could not trade Jaden Daniels. Now, if
Jaden Daniels had a really serious injury and miss half
the season like Wemby.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
Then he doesn't make my list.
Speaker 4 (41:17):
Well time out. A blood clot is not a technically
an injury. It's not like I think it's a It's
a medical condition, you know, very strange and random.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
Okay, I I had a blood clot. I'm still to
this day, I wear different socks when I fly. It's
it's it's there. There's so well I can't. I'm just saying,
blood clot.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
Is not minor.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
I'm never having on blood.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
No, No, they're they're not. That's not minor.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
Like a blood clot, Chris Bosh, blood clot is a
pulmonary embolism is not minor. It's screws your body up
for six months, so it's not just it's not your
it's not an ACL, but it's it's not minor.
Speaker 4 (41:56):
Well this, I'll buy Wemby's stock since he's not one
of your top seven, and watch him be like runner
up for MVP next year or something crazy in the NBA. Whoa, whoa,
whoa that good. You'd be surprised runner up for m VP,
I mean in the top three.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
Well, m VP is a media vote, so you know
fake news.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
You know, probably end.
Speaker 4 (42:15):
Up fake news.
Speaker 3 (42:18):
Okay, pressing, I just.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
Like saying that whenever I'm jammed up, I just fake news.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
Doing a cold plunge either.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 3 (00:30):
Welcome in.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
It is our two all fired up on a Friday,
one hour down. Jeff Goodman, By the way, college basketball
guy's gonna join us this hour on that Ace Bailey story,
which is a bummer because reportedly he's not a bad kid,
but that situation in Utah, he's the one kid didn't
show up for workouts. Apparently his agent, who's not certified
(00:55):
by the NBA Players Association, is giving a batted buy,
so that thing has gone sideways fast. I was talking
to a friend yesterday when I love the NFL Draft,
like I watched the whole thing. I would say a
sixth rounder in the NFL Draft is comparable to a
second rounder in the NBA Draft.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
I was talking to the staff this morning.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
I don't want to call the player out, but it
was one of the first players taken at the top
of the second round in the NBA draft. He was
a player taken in the top of the second round.
I don't want to pick on him. He's a young kid,
but literally the scouting report was he gets lost. He
doesn't Wow, he doesn't. No, no, I mean this is
(01:38):
what the scouts said. They're like, he doesn't, he can't
kind of keep up. And I'm thinking, well, the NBA
is twice as fast as college basketball, Like, the NBA
is warp speed and at the college level, this is
the first player taken in the second round. They were like,
he's a deep, rotational player. The NBA game is going
to be too fast for him. He gets lost offensively,
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and it's like, so that's why with the NBA draft,
I think we have to be very careful.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Jokich was a second rounder. That is unheard of.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
It's by the way, I had a GM tell me this.
He has since passed, but told me this twenty years ago.
He is out after the fourteenth pick. It's coin flipping,
you really, there are eighteen year old kids. You can
say that, but they're outliers Dramon and jok.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
The basketball pool globally is much deeper now. Than it
was twenty years ago. The sixth round verse second round
is interesting. So NFL rosters are over fifty guys. NBA
is barely not even fifteen guys. So it's like, it's
so it's so difficult to make over.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
But remember this in the NBA. Well, but remember this
half of the NFL is undrafted.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Yeah, that too.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
So you say there's not that big of a pool,
it's a global pool. Well, the truth of the matter is,
look at look at every college football player eligible for
the NFL draft. It's an FCS one hundred and thirty
pro and you have so many guys in a roster. Yeah,
so it is they're different drafts. You plug immediate holes
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in the NFL draft immediate in the NBA. You maybe
get three players a draft maybe that can plug an
immediate hole like the Like the Mavericks need more playmaking boom.
The Sixers could use a disruptive defensive guard kid from
Baylor boom. But I think even a Dylan Harper, the
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number two pick. Ron Harper's kid, he's gonna it's gonna
take him an entire season to figure out where he
is fitting in offensively to the Spurs.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
But at the same time, like the NBA, players are
playing much longer. There's a report we'll talk about in
herdline here Sef Curry. He ain't going anywhere like guys
are playing fifteen twenty years in the NBA NFL. You know,
you hit thirty years old. Then as a wide receiver,
you're kind of sort of washed. You know, the windows
much smaller. Plus you have to play three years in college.
So it's a decent comparison. Second round verse six, I
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don't hate it.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
So And by the way, you have had one or
two all time great players in the second round in
the NBA. You have also had some incredible players like
Tom Brady in the sixth round of the NFL. There
are Hall of famers in the sixth round and the
second of the NBA. But it is a lot of
in the NFL. It is just it is special teams,
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guys in rotational guys in the sixth round if they
make it. And in the second round of the NBA,
there's a lot of guys. Like you said, players are
playing longer. There are a lot of guys just not
gonna make it. They're gonna go play and they'll be
in Europe in three years, they just won't stick around.
So I saw this story SI dot com. This is
(04:41):
the story the Niners gave brock Purty the richest contract
in franchise history, which means Kyle Shanahan probably will be
on the hot seat if the Niners missed the playoffs. Okay,
Andy Reid and Belichick got fired, so anybody can get fired.
But Annie Reid was out of work for about forty
five minutes before the phone rang. In life, in business,
(05:03):
in sports, you have to identify your weakness. Like it's
not just about bringing other people in. What don't we
do well? Kyle Shanahan and the Niners are not drafting well.
It's on John Lynch. But I will say this, this
is a problem in the NFL because Jimmy Johnson was
the very rare head coach and Sean Payton falls into this.
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They're great with personnel, so when they get I said,
this year's draft by Denver felt like Sean Payton had
a hand in it. I don't always love that. But
Jimmy Johnson, he was great at personnel, came from college,
knew it. Jim Harbaugh knows personnel. Kyle Shanahan's dad was
(05:50):
an NFL guy. Kyle Shanahan's really an NFL guy. I
think he's got too much say in personnel. I think,
and I'll tell you it's one of those things where
coaches want power. Belichick, Pete Carroll, and Kyle Shanahan have power,
but sometimes you don't have culpability because you have so
much say in the draft. John Snyder is one of
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the smartest personnel guys in the league the Seahawks GM.
He almost left because Pete Carroll after Paul Allen's death,
had way too much power and the Seahawks were missing
on a lot of first and second round guys. John
Snyder got the power back and Seattle's had, in my opinion,
three very good drafts. I thought that the best draft
this year in the NFL. So it's hard enough to
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be a coach. To be a coach in GM, go
look at Belichick.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
I've been on this.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
You know this. Belichick's last seven drafts, he controlled them.
They're awful. They're awful. And I don't like the Niners drafts.
I liked the first couple Niners drafts. Kyle didn't have
the power. Then he started showing up the Super Bowls
and multiple NFC championships. Then Kyle got more power, and
(06:59):
I think they have reached on players overdrafted wide receiver,
which you can get second, third, fourth, fifth round, third round,
on plenty of guys. So I think what Kyle's going
through because I think he's a great coach. He's not
a perfect coach. PFF had him seventh last year. He's
not a perfect coach. McVeigh, Andy Reid about as close
(07:22):
to perfect as you can get. Jim Harbaugh, John Harbaugh
really really good. But I think Shanahan's issue he now
has Remember, coaches are making fifteen million a year, gms
are making five if that, So the owner knows where
he's paying the big money. And the guy who's making
the most money, I mean Sean McVay. Thank god, he
(07:43):
and less sneed get along. He's making a lot more
than less sneed. He's got the ultimate power in that building.
McVeigh is good with personnel, but he's also not power hungry.
So I think Shanahan's going through a little of what
Pete Carroll did at the end of Seattle and what
Belichick went through several years in New England. He's got
so much power and so much respect he's making he's
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they are, he should have less say in personnel because
I do not like at all. I think San Francisco
is starting to feel like Belichick's last several drafts. They
are reaching for guys. I mean they took a kicker
in the third round, Like what are you doing? And
and and it hasn't been great Julian Edelman and again,
(08:28):
you know there's this Kyle Shanahan worship in the league.
Here's Julian Edelman earlier this week on Shanahan.
Speaker 5 (08:34):
He's a great coach, but you know he's a coach
that likes to play from ahead. Whenever he plays from behind,
is he's not really you know, he stays, he stays
to the play sheet. So like if we take a
look at the forty nine ers, you know when when
they don't have a lead, that the stats are terrible.
When they play from ahead, they play the game the
way they want to play. When their team is constructed
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to play that way, they're a really great football team.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Now now they usually do get a lead.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
And this is why he's a great much like Andy
Reid in Philadelphia that was getting to a Super Bowl
and getting to NFC championships with kind of B and
C quarterbacks. Kyle Shanahan since he's been in San Francisco,
has the third rated offense, and he's done it with
I mean, let's be fair here, Rock Perty, Jimmy Garoppolo,
Trey Lance, Nick Mullins, c J Bethard. So's he to me?
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He's got kind of the Andy Reid thing. Andy Reid
got to a super Bowl in Philly, did not win.
Kyle's getting the super bowls, not winning, but consistently they
feel like they're a conference championship level team. And it's
much easier to do with Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes
than it is with the Niners quarterbacks. So I think
San Francisco's issue is Kyle's got a little bit too
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much say in personnel. I don't mind Sean Payton having
some because I think he and Jimmy Johnson are about
as good as it gets. Jim Harbaugh two being NFL
guys with a real understanding of college personnel.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
It is rare.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Andy Reid doesn't, and Andy Reid knows it. So Andy
Reid lets Brett Beach control and he's a pro guy.
Andy hasn't been in college he's a pro guy and
he knows it. He's not arrogant. He lets Brett Beach
do it. But the more power these coaches get, they
start leaning on the gm let GMS gm let John
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Snyder and Jason Lyton Tampa and Chris Spouder let him
GM It's hard enough to be a great coach to do.
But Mike Holmbron was in Seattle. Mike Holmgren's brilliant guy,
great all time coach. There was a time in Seattle.
I think he had a little too much sand personnel,
and the Seattle had a couple of week drafts and
it was like, oh, coach has too much. Say just
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the thought, all right. The Ace Bailey story is sad
where the adults the agent's not helping.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Talk about that next with Jeff Goodman, Hurt.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
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Speaker 6 (11:08):
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Speaker 4 (11:22):
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Speaker 1 (11:38):
So it's announced today. Aaron Judge of the Yankees show
Hey O Tani was announced yesterday. Actually, they are the
leading vote getter, so they're already into the All Star Game.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
The NBA.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Had a bird Magic moment, which I don't think it
saved the NBA, but NBA was in pretty harsh circumstances.
It's very rare when the two players and the two
faces of a sport are in the two I would
argue most iconic franchises. Yankees are clearly the most iconic
franchise I think globally. The Dodgers have become number two.
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And I always said this about the Red Sox, even
when it was at the other place and was right
next door. The Red Sox are dunkin Donuts. The further
you get away from New England the less you drink it,
whereas the Yankees are Starbucks, Beijing, Boise. It's big everywhere, right,
So the Yankees are number one. I think the Dodgers
have become the Cubs are like a smaller version of
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the Dodgers, where but a lot of their reputation is
built on losing and Wrigley Field. I think the Dodgers
now are the number two. Brandon baseball. I think that
is the power of Sho heeo Twi and his connection
to the Pacific rim. But I mean the Yankees and
Dodgers played last year where they're in Judge and Otani.
The World Series ratings were up sixty seven percent. That
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is that is insane for a number. So it doesn't happen.
It's very much what's happening in baseball. And have I
or have I not talked more baseball in the last
two years?
Speaker 3 (13:08):
How do you not?
Speaker 1 (13:10):
It's their bird magic moment and they're just incredible guys.
Sports fans are lucky. I mean, what have we got
jerks like as our best Flay Oh Tawny is about
the most gracious guy in the world. You can throw
a baseball hit him in the back at one hundred
miles an hour and he's like, it's all good.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
I'm good.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
And Aaron Judge again, wonderful family, wonderful kid, incredibly humble
and gracious. But you just do not see it in
sports very often. What are the two biggest NFL franchise? Okay,
Dallas Cowboys, Packers is Packers arguably too. Was there ever
a time that the two biggest stars in the NFL
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were Cowboys? Who was a Packer quarterback when Aikman was there?
And who is the quarterback when Farv was there? That
doesn't happen very often, Romo, I think you know, it
was a bunch of different guys. Just it doesn't happen
that the Packers and the Cowboys would have the two
biggest stars in the NFL. Now, the NFL is like
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their best players are all in small markets right now,
which is extraordinary.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
But do we find.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
One Otanian Judge, It's Burden, Magic, Celtics, Lakers, and off
the top of my head, the NFL also doesn't need that.
It doesn't matter Baltimore and Green Bay and Kansas City
and Buffalo can be dominant in the NFL. Nobody cares.
But there's a reason we talk more baseball in the show,
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and it's Otani and Judge are a big part of it.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Jmack with the News, No, no.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
This is the what is the second big?
Speaker 1 (14:47):
I mean, I don't think the Cowboys are America's team.
I think it's Kansas City has surpassed them, although network
network executives. But I'm saying so if it's Dallas is
still one network's executives, I think Kansas City is number two, right,
Kansas City's number two?
Speaker 4 (15:02):
Yeah, I mean I guess for now. You know Mahomes, Kelsey,
Taylor Swift. Sure, and they're winning, but if they missed
the playoffs, so they can't possibly be America's team. I
Aliston missed the playoffs and still be America's team.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
I think, yeah, yeah. You know a team that's underrated.
I think the Buffalo Bills with Josh Allen, like the Cubs.
They don't lose as much as a Cubs, but they
got that Cubs quality. We all really want to see
these legendary losers. Now, the losing for the Cubs was
just all the time. The losing for Buffalo has often
been in Super Bowls, in conference championship. I think if
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Buffalo got to the Super Bowl, I think it would
smash if they played a you know, a decent brand.
I said this last year, Buffalo and the Detroit Lions
and the Super Bowl obliterates because the storyline would be
you'd get so many casuals to watch the Bills in
the Lions. Super Bowl would smash. Yeah, every super Bowl
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TV record of all time.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
What about Jets forty nine ers, That probably would do
even bigger because the Jets are the biggest losers the
last fifteen.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Yeah, but they're totally unlikable. They're losing his dysfunction. Nobody
likes the Jets. They have lost because of themselves.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
That's not nice. All right, Let's that's really mean. All right.
Let's go to the headline news and start with Steph Curry,
my guy entering his seventeenth season. He just turned thirty
seven in March Colin. Interestingly, his dad, Del Curry, was
just on a podcast recently and said, I think Steph
could play well into his forties before hanging them up.
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We're not talking six or eight years, but he has
many several years left.
Speaker 7 (16:44):
Now.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
This is interesting. Remember Isaiah Thomas like popped his achilles
and was done in the NBA, like thirty two years old,
Larry Bird's back broke down. He retired early, Magic Johnson, HIV.
The biggest stars in the league historically have left early.
Now we're seeing on into his forties and hearing Steph
Curry could play into his forties. This is great for basketball.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Well, yeah, he's also a shooter, like hyper athletic guys
age fast, Cam Newton age really fast. You know who
didn't Tom Brady. So it depends on what your game is.
Number jose Reis played for the Mets, and he was
like a super fast based dealing guy. I always remember
that he was like, oh, everybody was like he's amazing.
Like three years later, you're like, not the same player,
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because he athleticism was the key. And so I mean,
look at Tiger Woods power, torque, unbelievable really quickly. It
felt like man, three year period.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
He is aging now.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
So I think the more power, the more torque, the
more physicality to any sport, you age faster. So I
think Curry is more of a finesse player and a shooter.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
But then Lebron like, what's the argument against him? I
mean he's powerful.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
I mean he's lower the record. Let me just say
this about Lebron. About ten years ago, he started spending
a lot of his time on the perimeter. The Lebron
James has never been a great rebounder. He doesn't want
any part of that. That's not what the Lebron gets
out in transition.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
He doesn't.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Lebron doesn't want to defend the rim. Lebron doesn't want
to get bullied inside. Lebron has lived at the hash
mark going forward. He wants the ball he wants to
get in transition. So Lebron smartly moved to the perimeter
and got out of the redwood trees years ago.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
Sounds like my game, Collin. Let's stick in the NBA
big news out of Toronto where the Raptors have parted
ways with team president messaiu JII after thirteen seasons with
the team brought them their loan title. This guy has
beloved in media circles. Colin, You could read any article
from NBA people who listen to a podcast. Nobody says
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a negative word about this guy. They all love him,
which probably means he's a source to a lot of them.
That being said, he did make the gamble. Bring on
Kawhi Leonard and brought Toronto a title. But it is
interesting that they fire him after the draft.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
That's what you should do. Don't screw the draft up.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Remember the Raiders a couple of years ago, didn't they
fire or somebody before a draft or somebody did that
in sports and we were all like, what was then?
You're bringing new people before the draft and you're not organized.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
Well, okay, so if you were drafted by the Raptors.
Wait a minute, the guy that just drafted me got fired.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
That ain't great.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
No, you complete the scouting in the draft. He's obviously
a very competent human being. You may want to move
off somebody, but I want to do it at the
least disruptive period. What is the least disrupted period in
the NBA? The day after the draft?
Speaker 4 (19:36):
Well, now you got you got two a week before
free agency starts. I have a conspiracy theory that they
were swinging for the fences here with KD with Giannis
struck out on both of them and said, you can't
deliver us etic for anymore. And I think they got
rid of it now. Zach Here, a producer, is a
big Lakers guy, and he's saying, why why wouldn't the
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Lakers go after a Messiah Zieri who's done some really
good things in Toronto? Find a wayle Lowry DeRozan all
that stuff.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
I'm not gonna blame that GM for not landing players
in Toronto. How many NBA guys Steve Nash didn't want
to go play in Canada? Like Canada is not where
NBA Vancouver had a team for an hour and it disbanded.
So I'm not blaming the GM because a bunch of
guys don't want to play. I mean, if you're Yannis,
I'm already in cold weather. I want to go colder.
What's the point the taxes, the weather. It's a winter league.
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So I'm not gonna blame a GM because you can't
land free agents in Toronto.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
You think the Lakers should make a play for him
or I mean, Laska is a divisive figure in the
Laker kingdom out here, Okay, he will love him or
hate him. He just delivered Lucas, so I don't think
you can fire him now, but could you maybe give
him a different title and bring in Messiah Zieri?
Speaker 3 (20:44):
All I know is Mark Walters.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
The first big move he made with the Dodgers, was
go getting Tampa's Friedman, the GM of the Tampa Rays
like considered like the young Mark Shapiro, like the brilliant
guy went.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
And got him.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
You know, if you go look at owners who are aggressive,
the first thing I do is get the GM, right,
get the GM eventually hires the coach. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
Final story con is onto the NFL for a couple
of head coaches are on the hot seat heading into
Week one. According to CBS, these are the top five
coaches on the hottest seats at five Sean McDermott of
Buffalo Maybe Shane Steikin's at four. I don't know about that.
Zach Taylor three, he should be one, Mike McDaniel two,
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Brian Dable number one. The hottest seat kind.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Of means Stichen what I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
I think a lot of people are tying him to
Anthony Richardson, But I don't think that Richardson keeps getting hurt.
Is that Psichen's fault?
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Well, Dabel, McDaniel and Zach Taylor, okay, fine, Sean McDermott
is probably say seen Steikin, well, he'd be again.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
I mean, I don't think McDermott, like, how would you
fire McDermot? Is it super Bowl or bust? I have
them winning the super Bowl, but that doesn't mean if
they lose in the AC Championship.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Well, iray, it's.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
The way they lost with those they looked at disorganized
on Josh Allen's quarterback sneaks and it was like, they
don't look like they practiced it. It's the way they're
losing where they feel like they're getting kind of out
coached and out detailed offensive league. He's in point.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
I think you got to have Zach Taylor one. I mean,
they with Burrow having a historic season, they missed the playoffs.
They've gone. They've been backsliding since the Super Bowl trip.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Some of that's ownership, though, Yeah, I would say the
Brown family ownership. I would defend Zach Taylor. I know
people don't like his clock management. Folks, you didn't like
Andy Reid's and then they got Mahomes and suddenly you
loved it. Like I'd slow down on the clock management.
I don't think many coaches in the league are great
with the clock. I'm honestly, I think it's a tiny number.
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Jmack with the News, well, that's the news, and thanks
for stopping by heard line. You know, I've said this
about the NBA Draft. I'm not gonna have I'm not
going to come in too hot, high or low. It's
very much outside of two or three players, it's a
projection draft.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
These are eighteen nineteen year old kids.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
The story that really disappointed me, and I led my
show with it today is the Ace Bailey situation where
it's like where the adults like, he's got an agent
that's not certified. I mean, it was just I thought
he was a little tone deaf on his sort of
reaction during it. Now there's a story out today that
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his agent or he told one of the top five
teams I won't go there. Walter Clayton's already showed up
in Utah. He hasn't and reportedly he's a good kid.
It's not him. But I talked about this to start
the show. There are lots of people in America when
you're girls mature faster than boys. There's a lot of sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, nineteen,
twenty year old boys. They need guidance, dad, mom, surrogate, parent, whatever,
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they need guidance. I feel like with Ace I'm like,
where are the adults helping you? He's already got a
strike against him now, as Draymond Green talked about, where
are the adults helping this kid?
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Because he is talented, many.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
People argue he's the second best player in the draft
and he fell to five. Jeff Goodman Basketball Insider Stadium
co founder field with sixty eight at Goodman Hoops. Okay,
I read three stories. Two are like, not a bad kid.
He's not a bad kid. He's getting bad advice. So,
I mean, I've talked about this before. Is in my life,
I had a great step dad, I had strong people
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around me. You know, the father son thing wasn't great,
and thank God for it. My take is, Jeff, is
it possible here the kids just getting really bad advice?
Speaker 7 (24:42):
Not possible, probable, probable that he's getting bad advice. And again,
you know, you're seventeen years old and now you've got
this world of nil and a ton of money on
the table even.
Speaker 8 (24:53):
Before you get to the NBA Draft.
Speaker 7 (24:56):
So you've got to pick an agent now, and a
lot of these are low level agents right now that
are in the mix. And I'm sure Ace Bailey wasn't
the one choosing his agent here. But you know it's
a guy named Omar Cooper. He's got no other NBA clients.
He's had a history of legal issues throughout his life.
Speaker 8 (25:18):
Colin.
Speaker 7 (25:18):
I caught Win before the season that they were asking
for money for interviews, which I've been doing this twenty
five years, right, twenty five years. I've never had anybody
ask me for money. So I was kind of intrigued.
I'm like, all right, I'm not calling this dude, Mark Cooper.
Let's find out what's going on. So I called him
and played dumb. He I'd love to talk to Ace Bailey,
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you know, get him on our network.
Speaker 8 (25:42):
Make him look good.
Speaker 7 (25:43):
You know, that's what I do, like try to loosen
these kids up, show their personality. It's like, no, no, they're
not doing it unless you pay. And I'm like, no, no, dude,
I'm not paying. I'm not paying to do an interview
with a kid. I'm going to help the kid, give
him a platform, make him look good.
Speaker 8 (25:59):
He said, well, you're making money off these kids.
Speaker 7 (26:02):
I said, trust me, you can have the eight dollars
that I'm going to make off this YouTube interview.
Speaker 8 (26:07):
Okay, that's going to be on YouTube.
Speaker 7 (26:09):
Go get a big mac with it, because I'm not
making any money off Ace Bailey in a fifteen minute interview.
So that was the first red flag. And obviously we've
seen him since now. I will say this talking to
a ton of people around as Bailey, whether it's at Rutgers,
whether it was back in Georgia, he is a good
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kid who works his butt off and loves basketball. Is
he immature, Absolutely, most of us were at that age.
But again, the biggest problem here is not Ace Bailey necessarily,
it's his representation.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
I'll give you a kid, I think. And again I
don't want to come in hot because in the NFL Draft,
I've seen these kids for four years. I will put
my stand on Jaden Daniels and go that's good or
bow Nicks. I'm not going to pretend I followed college basketball.
At college football, I do think Carter Bryant.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
I watch Arizona play.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
I thought, if you told me there was a guy
that went like lower mid first that hit, I'm like,
it's that kid. So, by the way, you can rip
me apart here. But I watch Arizona probably six seven
times a year. I watched the tournament. I watched him
and thought, I don't know if he'll be a great
NBA score That dude in San Antonio is going to
be a baller? What do you make of him?
Speaker 8 (27:31):
It's what I love about you, first of all, and
I've always loved about you. You don't pretend to act like
you know everything about everything right, unlike some other people
at networks. We were app before. But you're right about
Carter Bryant.
Speaker 7 (27:42):
He's a three inded dude who can shoot the ball
and defend at a high level. And he's got length
and size. Yeah, and he's just scratching the surface of.
Speaker 8 (27:50):
What he's going to be.
Speaker 7 (27:52):
The big question I have Colin is in San Antonio,
not necessarily with Carter Bryant, but everything else.
Speaker 8 (27:59):
Is he going to come out of the.
Speaker 7 (28:00):
Gates and be able to make shots because they don't
have great floor spacing in San Antonio right now. Dylan Harper,
Ace Failey's teammate at Rutgers, by the way, both picked
in the top five they didn't make the NCAA tournament
this past year. Is not a great shooter. He's a
poor man's Kate Cunning is really what he is. Steph Castle,
the rookie of the year. Not a great shooter, Big
Tom Avableete, big strong, Daron Fox.
Speaker 8 (28:24):
We know he's a blur. Probably the fastest.
Speaker 7 (28:27):
Point guard in the NBA right now other than is Smid,
but again, not.
Speaker 8 (28:31):
A great shooter.
Speaker 7 (28:32):
So I like the Carter Brian pick because of that,
because he is a guy that eventually will be able
to space the floor.
Speaker 8 (28:38):
Will he be able to do it right away?
Speaker 1 (28:40):
I don't know, So I'll be interested in your opinion
on this. So I've been on this now for about
six months. As I grew up loving college basketball, Jamack
and I talk about this. There was a time in
my life my favorite basketball was not the NBA. It
was the Big East. It was Patino, Carlisimo, John Thompson.
I was a West Coast kid. I didn't watch back
twelve basketball, the Big East, Big Big East Monday. And
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I love the NBA as well. But there and all
of a sudden, the G League is created. I have
never been a fan. I think the coaching is better,
I think the environments are better in college. I want
kids to I think one of the advantages the NFL
has you got to go to college for three years,
take classes, hang out with non athletes.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
The coaching is hard. I don't like the G League.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
So when we got to the finals this year, Jeff,
it was the Pacers, O case thunder, is.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Any G League guys.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
It was a lot of guys who have been in
college basketball for two, three and four years.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
I loved it.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
So I will tell you the NIL, in my opinion,
is really saving college basketball. When I watched the Yukon
team two years ago, I'm like, Okay, that team could
compete against UNLV and Larry Johnson.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
That is a real team.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
So everybody complains about the NIL, I think the NIL
is say college basketball. In my argument, this is a
long question. This is the first draft. This is the
first NIL draft where it's going to be heavy, domestic,
easier to follow, even the international guys playing the States.
This is the first draft for the next however, long
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like the old drafts where I've seen the players play.
I know that's a long, long window, but your thought on.
Speaker 8 (30:24):
That it's not. And you're right because in the old days,
what was it? When you and I were young, it was.
Speaker 7 (30:30):
Like, unless you're a top five to ten pick, you're
going back to school. Then it became unless you're a
lottery pick, you're going back to school.
Speaker 8 (30:37):
Then it became first rounder.
Speaker 7 (30:39):
Then it started to become you know what, even if
you can get a guaranteed deal in the second round,
a lot of those guys were gone. Now the biggest
difference coling is these kids that are that are twenty
five to forty five, are undrafted or second rounders. They
can make two, three million dollars, even four million dollars
right now. Now, again, this might be a one off
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type ee. I think those numbers will dip a little bit,
but it was rare to have a kid like think
about yassel Land of Bird's a kid who transferred from UAB.
Speaker 8 (31:10):
He's going to Michigan next year. Probably would have been.
Speaker 7 (31:13):
Drafted in the twenty five to thirty five range, and
instead of rolling the dice whether he's going to get
a guaranteed first round draft.
Speaker 8 (31:20):
Pick, you know he did. He went to.
Speaker 7 (31:22):
Michigan and he's going to get a guaranteed three million
plus at Michigan.
Speaker 8 (31:26):
So you're right.
Speaker 7 (31:27):
It's changing the game to whereas these guys that aren't
guaranteed lottery picks, they're saying to themselves, I can make
more money going.
Speaker 8 (31:34):
Back to college.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Cooper Flag, what's the hole in his game?
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Jeff Goodman.
Speaker 8 (31:42):
I wish I had one. I had one going into
the year.
Speaker 7 (31:45):
In fact, I was like, I don't think he's a guy.
Speaker 8 (31:47):
You can build your Francesse around. I don't. I don't
think he could be a number one. And I'd seen
him fifty times.
Speaker 7 (31:53):
AAU ball going into Duke, and I didn't think it
was a great shooter.
Speaker 8 (31:58):
I thought his handle was loose.
Speaker 7 (32:01):
You know, he's an elite level defender, passer, all that.
But after watching him this past season at Duke do
what he did, I'm convinced he will be a top
ten player in the NBA within five years, could be
a top five player. I would be shocked if he's
not a top ten player. Shot he's got.
Speaker 8 (32:21):
I've been doing this twenty five years.
Speaker 7 (32:23):
There's no player I have seen coming out of college
that has fewer holes in their game than Cooper Flag.
That doesn't mean he shoots it better than Kevin Durant,
that doesn't mean, you know, he remounds it better than Shock.
But overall, nobody has fewer holes in their game. Nobody's
more well rounded than Cooper Flag.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
That's an awesome take, you know, it's I said this
as a comp People think I don't like Jason Tatum.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
I do. I wish it was more aggressive.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
I say, Cooper Flag is a hyper aggressive Jason Tatum
at Duke where it's like, give me the ball, get
out of here. I read a story about Kaitlyn Clark.
Christine Brennan has a book on Kaitlyn Clark. Caitlyn Clark
when she was like seventh grade, trailed by eleven points
with a minute seven seconds left, she went in a
thirteen to nothing run and didn't pass the ball.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
It's like, I.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Want Jason Tatum to have just a little bit of that.
But uh, Jeff Goodman, his stuff is a field of
sixty eight college basketball network at Goodman Hoops knows his stuff.
Loved your takes Man, Great SENI.
Speaker 8 (33:26):
You love you call him great Senior too.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
Yep. We called him late today.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
I always appreciate that when we call somebody late and
they have time for us. But he thinks he can
be And I love Jeff. What he's saying is, I
didn't think he was that good this year, and then
he improved. Young people make massive jumps, like like seventeen
year old to nineteen year old. I mean, once you're
forty five in life, maybe you'd stop smoking or something.
(33:51):
You know, you know, you don't make me. What you
are at forty three is what you are mostly. I mean,
even if you go on to diet neat better, it
lasts like eighteen months and then you go back to
Heinekens and Sloppy Jones for lunch. Like, I mean, let's
be honest about it. At this point, I'm not changing.
It's hard to get me to get a haircut, like
I mean, I'm just not changing. This is what you
get and it's pretty good.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
But there's no more changes. I'm done changing.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Cold plunge, not interested pickleball league. Talk to somebody else
not doing it.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
It's the hurt.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
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Speaker 1 (34:41):
So, Paige Becker's a rookie in the WNBA, great player
Yukon really really gonna be a multiple time All Star
in the league eventually, And she said the treatment of
Caitlin Clark and the scrutiny is inhumane. And my take is, no,
this is the privilege of being relevant, and the WNBA
(35:01):
before last year it was not a relevant league. It
just wasn't talked about on local or national talk shows
anywhere any network. And now it is. And that's sometimes
the way it works. So Tiger Woods, we talked a
lot more golf with Tiger than without. But if you
look at Caitlin Clark's impact whither this year they have
a winning record and they average about ninety a game.
(35:22):
Without her, they average about seventy half, seventy five, seventy
six points a game. So she's Jokic, She's the difference
between winning and losing. She's Steph Curry. But this whole
thing about the criticism of her three point shooting slump
is in humane. Might take his magic. Johnson was already
a two time champ and a finals MVP. He had
a bad game game in the eighty four finals and
(35:45):
he got the nickname Tragic Johnson. Okay, Steph Curry was
already a unanimous MVP. Because andre Igwoodala won a finals MVP,
he was suddenly labeled system player overrated. That's the price
of relevance. So the w NBA literally flew commercial airlines
(36:09):
like you and me I mean, you could literally jump
on a plane out of Vegas and you're sitting next
to Asia Wilson, and then Caitlin Clark arrived and they
fly private, which is in itself pretty cool privilege. Right,
that's not guaranteed for all leagues, But this is the
price of it. It's not inhumane, it's the reality is
(36:29):
that more eyeballs, bigger opinions, more opinions, and now people
look at Caitlin Clark's.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
Game and now that you even.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Can pick it apart a little, here's Rick Patino this week.
Speaker 9 (36:42):
She's a great passer. She reminds me of Steph Curry
when Steph Curry came into the league. She's doing what
step did early on. She has unbelievable range, she has
great visions, She's a terrific passa.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
You know, she's.
Speaker 9 (36:54):
Physically a little weak, but that's that's she'll she'll get
stronger as time goes on. But she really understands how
to play. And she reminds me of a female version
of Steph Curry. Incredible range.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
Yeah, there's no question.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
But this is just you know, like if you're a
politician and you get blasted, that's a good thing.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
You're getting discussed right.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
Like, if you go look at people that start businesses
in this country, the one thing most of them want
is marketing. They're dying even if it's negative. You know,
talk about us, Please, somebody write about us. We'd like
it to be positive, but we need name recognition. So
(37:38):
she's gonna be just fine. I talked about this earlier.
There's a story out that the Cowboys are gonna sign
Micah Parsons to a historically big deal. I like Micah
Parsons a lot. I don't think he's nearly as good
as Miles Garrett, Max Crosby, Hendrickson, Aiden Hushison, and as
(38:01):
a rookie, Jared Verse came in and was better and
is stronger. So I said earlier, I believe that in
the NFL the secret is paying for offense and drafting
defense and keeping it very young because defensive players get
hurt more often, more regularly. There's five NFL defensive players
(38:21):
I would pay whatever it takes, and that is Miles Garrett,
Jared Vers, eventually, Max Crosby, Patrick Sartan, and Chris Jones.
Now Hendrickson for the Bengals is three years older than
Max Crosby, and he's sort of so so against the run.
So he's close. Will Anderson's very close. Sauce Gardner a
couple of years ago, maybe, but he feels like he's
(38:43):
gone backwards J Mack. But Chris Jones is the rare
interior defensive lineman. I think Jalen Carter's probably number six
for me. I'd like maturity scares me a little, but
we'll see. But if you talk about great interior defensive lineman,
everybody says Reggie White, Aaron Donald. Why because there's very
(39:08):
few game changing interior defensive lineman. Chris Jones although he's thirty,
that's old for an interior d lineman. Chris Jones is
getting into that territory. Is he gonna go top three
or four all time? I think Edge Rusher's well, I
mean they're say to yourself, I mean there, think about
the great journey.
Speaker 4 (39:27):
Not only is he thirty, Colin, he's starting thirty one
on July third, So are you sure you would pay
him now?
Speaker 8 (39:34):
No?
Speaker 4 (39:35):
I mean you keep bagging on other guys who are
thirty TJ. Watt and these guys Chris Jones about to
be thirty.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
One next week he's PFF's number one.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
So he was last year.
Speaker 4 (39:44):
That doesn't mean he's gonna be next year.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
I like him.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
I would take eighty hunches and over him going forward.
Obviously not for what they've done in the pat.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
Heat, but he's edge. Yeah, there's more. There's more edges
out there.
Speaker 4 (39:56):
Let me toss a random name out to you. He's
not that random. Kyle Hamill the safety of the Ravens.
I know safety is not a premium position. Let me
make the quick argument. He's the only player in the
NFL to rank in the according to PFF and the
highest great top eighty five percent against the run and pass.
He can come up in the box and stuff you.
He could guard your tight ends. Remembery he famously did well.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
He's great football.
Speaker 4 (40:19):
Yeah, and he reads the game in the backfield like
he's awesome. I think he's got to be at least
top seven.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
He's great. I mean it's funny.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
Ed Reid's the best safety I've ever seen play. Kyle
Hamilton is grading out like an Ed Reader or Ronnie Lott.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
Like he's just good at everything.
Speaker 4 (40:39):
He's amazing.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
I think Chris Jones, three straight All pros, has shown
no signs of aggression, still dominant and unblockable. And and
he also he'll move outside or play inside. He is
j Jalen Carter's not moving outside. So but those are
the five guys I would pay. And again it's close.
I mean the other day, I remember I did the
seven untradeable athletes. I'm not saying I'd want to trade Wemby,
(41:08):
but I you could not trade Jaden Daniels. Now, if
Jaden Daniels had a really serious injury and miss half
the season like Wemby.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
Then he doesn't make my list.
Speaker 4 (41:17):
Well time out. A blood clot is not a technically
an injury. It's not like I think it's a It's
a medical condition, you know, very strange and random.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
Okay, I I had a blood clot. I'm still to
this day, I wear different socks when I fly. It's
it's it's there. There's so well I can't. I'm just saying,
blood clot.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
Is not minor.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
I'm never having on blood.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
No, No, they're they're not. That's not minor.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
Like a blood clot, Chris Bosh, blood clot is a
pulmonary embolism is not minor. It's screws your body up
for six months, so it's not just it's not your
it's not an ACL, but it's it's not minor.
Speaker 4 (41:56):
Well this, I'll buy Wemby's stock since he's not one
of your top seven, and watch him be like runner
up for MVP next year or something crazy in the NBA. Whoa, whoa,
whoa that good. You'd be surprised runner up for m VP,
I mean in the top three.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
Well, m VP is a media vote, so you know
fake news.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
You know, probably end.
Speaker 4 (42:15):
Up fake news.
Speaker 3 (42:18):
Okay, pressing, I just.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
Like saying that whenever I'm jammed up, I just fake news.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
Doing a cold plunge either.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
All right, hour three on a Friday,
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Colin Cowherd
Jason McIntyre
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