April 1, 2025 • 42 mins
Colin shares his pre-draft NFL Over - Unders and why he thinks the Cowboys are overvalued entering the 2025 season
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:26):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Coming this summer the Club World Cup before the World
Cup a year out. So great to have the FIFA
president on. By the way, the US will have two
teams Seattle Sounders and Miami will both be in. Those
will be the two teams. And then is it thirty
two other teams or thirty other teams involved in the
Club World Cup? Winner a billion dollars in versus a
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billion dollars, So it's like a pre World Cup with
the world's best club teams, all the best players and
Boppe will be here, Messi, Harry Kane, all the best
players in the world will be here.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
So it's gonna be a pre World Cup.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
And there's clear evidence that anytime a World Cup is
in the United States, massive popularity swings in merchandising and
fandom happened.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
You know, listen.
Speaker 5 (01:09):
I can't take full credit, but I do like I
know you like soccer in college basketball, but Colin, you
have to You're starting to nudge a little more in
the direction of those sports since the addition of your boyhood.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
I'm jealous of anybody who lives in Zurich and vacations
in Italy. I've heard the things I've never been to either.
Zurich's got my favorite airport in the world. It's like
a great Swiss watch. It is perfect. The trains are
on the second, the food, the cleanliness, it's great. If
I owe anytime I can connect through Zurich, do it
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spend an afternoon.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Marveling at the airport.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Okay, so we're gonna go to the NFL, you know,
winter meetings here pretty quick. But the over and unders
are now with all the betting companies are coming out,
you know in Vegas over unders. So these numbers are
how many games do you think a team can win?
And you know, as you know, they always come in
half seven and a half, eight and a half, and you,
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as a consumer, bet the under or bet the over. Now,
most fans bet the over, they're optimistic. I tend to
find unders, but I found three unders and three overs
that are interesting. So let's go to the conferences first.
The one that jumps out to me. Let's start in
the AFC for our radio audience. Bills eleven and a half,
Dolphins eight and a half, Jets five and a half.
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The Patriots at seven and a half to me, feels
like an over massive upgrade on coaching staff. Also, they
were three and six in one score games with a
rookie quarterback, so there's going to be an ascension. They're
going to be a better one score game team. They
spend almost two hundred million in free agency. I would
bet the over on the Patriots. Let's go to the Ravens, Bengals, Steelers, Browns.
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Nothing jumps out to me. Ravens eleven and a half,
Bengals nine and a half, Steelers eight and a half,
Browns five and a half. Nothing seems underwhelming or overwhelming.
The next division projected win total AFC South. This is
one of my favorite overs, So the Texans at nine
and a half. Colt Jaggs seven and a half wins
the Titans at five and a half. Bet the over.
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Brian Callahan, listen, he was so frustrated. Will Levis arguably
gave three wins away last year. So cam Ward there's
just not gonna be nobody's gonna quite know what to
do until he has an offseason.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Remember CJ.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Stroud came in and it kind of feels like everybody's
kind of waiting for CJ. Stroud to fall apart, and
he didn't. So I think cam Ward. The upgrade cam
Ward to will Levis is gonna get you a seven
or eight or nine wins in this division, just a
very weak AFC South Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Broncos, Chargers, Raiders.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
I think Kansas City under eleven and a half is
one of my favorite bets. Broncos nine and a half,
Chargers nine and a half, Raiders six and a half.
I'd probably go over Chargers, but the under on Kansas City.
Remember they were eleven and oh in one score games
like recovering fumbles. Regression is coming. Even if they go
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eight and three. Nobody goes eleven to zero and one
score games. Also, they're still trying to figure out their
offensive line. Joe Tooney left their best offensive lineman and
they don't you know, they're using somebody's backup at left tackle.
They're an injury away in the on line from being
a complete mess. They're also getting older in key spots.
Now we go to the NFC. One of my fa
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I have an over and under bet in the same division,
So Eagles eleven and a half.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
That's about right.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
I'm gonna take the over on the Commanders and the
under on the Cowboys. So listen, Jayden Daniels is the
real deal. I just talked to somebody, a friend who
was at an event Jayden Daniels was at in the
last couple of weeks. The kids unbelievable. They spent money,
the coaching nine and a half. I mean they're gonna
go two and oh against the Cowboys and two and
oh against the Giants. So I think the Commanders is
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I mean ten and seven with the Lamar Jackson of
the NFC at quarterback. Shock anybody also the Cowboys? I
would bet the under they want. I don't think anybody's
quite embracing. Brian Schottenheimer to me, had struggled to remain
at the same place as a coordinator.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
I think they went cheap.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
They also gotta pay Micah Again, this is a team
that's a ceedee. Lamb sprained ankle from you know, being
fairly weaponless, I would take the under now we go.
Nothing jumps out to me. At the NFC North Lions
ten and a half, Packers nine and a half, Bears
eight and a half, Vikings eight and a half. Nothing
jumps out to me. Everybody wants to bet the Bears
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in the over, be careful. Nothing really jumps out to me.
In the NFC South Bucks should win. Best roster Falcons
maybe a little underserved, but I refuse to bet the
Falcons on anything. I've lost a fortune over the years.
Panthers Saints both six and a half wins. Now they're
two surprises to me. In the NFC West, I would
take the under on the Niners ten and a half.
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They are getting old in key spots. You got Christian
McCaffrey coming off an injury and then Brandon Aiyuk coming
off an injury. They have twelve draft picks. That is
a lot lot of young players. Rookies don't flourish generally,
except key positions in the NFL. Also, they lost Greenlaw
and Hufunga. They wanted to keep both. Those are leaders,
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great instinctive players, so we haven't loved their defense in
the last couple of years and when Bosa gets hurt,
it's a bad defense and he's getting older. I would
bet the under on the Niners at ten and a half.
I would bet the over on the Rams at nine
and a half. They need a corner. Outside of that,
they are set, they're getting better. The defense got better
Thanksgiving on, so the Rams I would take the over.
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So my over and under bets, I would take the
Commanders over nine and a half, the Patriots over seven
and a half, of the Titans over five and a half.
My unders are the Chiefs under eleven and a half,
the ram the Niners under ten and a half, the
Cowboys under seven and a half. I also think the
Rams can hit the over. I think the Rams can
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hit the over. McVeigh, Stafford, DeVante Adams. They cannot be
as physically immobile as they were last year when the
offensive line fell apart. That's not gonna happen again. They'll
have more depth. They're gonna draft to tackle early in
this draft. So Jmac, anything jump out to you too much?
Speaker 5 (07:12):
Actually, I know we have a guest coming up. We
definitely need to revisit this. I've got some beef with
some stuff you're saying the one thing that really jumped out.
So I see Titans five and a half, totally agree?
But did I see the Jets and the Giants are
also five and a half.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
Meaning those are the three worst teams in the league.
Oh my gosh, I didn't know the Jets had fallen
that far. Five and a half win total. Gosh, it's bleak.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Yeah, I mean New York Football's bleak.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Terrible.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Albert Breer joining us live. Here we go from Palm Beach.
Not a bad place to join us live from. Okay,
at the NFL owner meetings, Okay, let's get so. I
I've always had a theory on overtime. You want it
to be quick. I don't want my defense on the
field for another fourteen plays. So the NFL has said, okay,
both teams now get the ball once.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
It's going to be ten minutes.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
My question is, what if a team gets it to
the nine minute, fifty eight second drive and scores. What
do you do then, I mean, I your takeaway and
the new NFL owner change in overtime?
Speaker 6 (08:17):
Well, I think there are a couple of factors there.
Speaker 7 (08:19):
Of course, it won't affect you know, play the playoffs,
because the playoffs will play until they have a winner
and a loser. And you know, I think if during
the regular season, there's the broadcast partners, which I think
like to keep these games as close to the window
that prescribed to be in as they can, you know,
And then I think there's the element of adding more
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place to the game. And that's a health and safety thing,
you know, And that was part of the argument against
this sort of thing years ago was that they didn't
want to put that much more damage on players. So
I think this is a fair compromise, and it does
add that element of strategy to it, you know. I
think one thing if you look back, like Bill Belichick
always wanted a time to peer, right, and the reason
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he wanted the time period is because he wanted the
clock to be part of the overtime.
Speaker 6 (09:07):
I think in doing this, you are making the clock
part of the overtime, you know.
Speaker 7 (09:10):
So you know, I think from a viewership standpoint, fifteen
might be better because you're getting the full quarter. But
you know, I think when you go to ten minutes,
you're making the clock even a bigger factor. And I
think that could interest but that could add like an
interesting element of strategy and how teams approach it. I mean,
if you're the receiving team, don't you almost don't you
almost automatically go into the four minute offense.
Speaker 6 (09:32):
I think that's what we're going to be looking at.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Okay, tush push packers are very anti tush push. It's
it's been tabled, meaning they'll do it in mid May
and figure out at the mid May meetings what is
green band Matt leaf Floor's primary objection to the tush push.
Speaker 6 (09:48):
They don't think it's a football play.
Speaker 7 (09:51):
And you know one thing that was interesting to come
from the room now, you know, a couple of days
ago when they first met on this, you know, Jim
Harbugh Mike Rabel brought up some of the holes in
the way the rule is written. And can you, I
mean the most Harbaugh thing ever, can you put two
extra guards on the field and line them up behind
the guards and push the guards because you're not pushing
behind the center?
Speaker 6 (10:12):
Rabel lost the same thing.
Speaker 7 (10:12):
Can you take the quarterback and move him behind the
guard and then push him behind the guard.
Speaker 6 (10:16):
So there were some holes in how the rule was written.
Speaker 7 (10:19):
Howie Roseman was passionate about this in the room and
saying that there's no injury data.
Speaker 6 (10:23):
This says it's more dangerous.
Speaker 7 (10:25):
The league comes back and says, well, actually, we think,
based on the posture of the player, that this could
lead to major head and spine injuries.
Speaker 6 (10:34):
Not that it hasn't yet, but that certainly is a concern.
Speaker 7 (10:38):
So, you know, you put all this in and I think,
you know, now, how do you rewrite it? And one
thing that happened inside the room today earlier this morning was,
you know, Rich Piquet, the chair of the competition for me,
said why don't we go back to the two thousand
and four rule, or at least look at that rule
and how it was written and maybe we adopt that.
So I think around somewhere around twenty teams favor of
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looking at that rule as potentially something that could be
the framework of something they vote on in May. And
it's interesting, Colin, like when they took the rule out
twenty years ago, the reason they took the rule out
was because what was happening downfield. And you'll remember this
is there were guys getting pushed into the end zone downfield,
and when they flag it, it was hard to tell
if you had a scrum downfield, whether or not you
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know an offensive player coming in was trying to block
the defensive player push his teammate across the line.
Speaker 6 (11:30):
So is that less of a concern now? Is there
a way to address that and how you write the rule?
Speaker 7 (11:35):
I think it was just there were too many things
on the table and too many concerns to pass it now.
Speaker 6 (11:39):
But the fact that they're tabling.
Speaker 7 (11:40):
It until May shows the league as a real desire
to get something done before the season.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
I just saw a headline this morning Steelers are very
comfortable with Mason Rudolph as their starter, and I thought,
oh boy, if I was a Steeler fan, that's that's
pretty discouraging. So I have made the argument with Aaron
Rodgers that he ideally wanted Minnesota, knew the division, loved
the coach, loved Justin Jefferson, and that I think deep
down he knows Pittsburgh can't get the old line right.
It's a defensive culture. He's done the East Coast. He'd
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probably like to drift back to the West. And my
guess is, I don't think he's stalling or being obnoxious.
I don't think deep down he wants to go to Pittsburgh.
But I do think he loves football and wants to
play and was pretty good last year. What is your
vibe on what you're hearing about Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 7 (12:24):
Yeah, so my vibe would be a I think you're
absolutely right that he doesn't want to go out the
way that he went out last year. I know he
you know, and coming back from the Achilles like wanting
to really appreciate the sport and you know, rediscover his
love for the game and despite how hard everything was
last year on the Jets, I think he did do
that to a certain degree.
Speaker 6 (12:44):
So I think he does want to play.
Speaker 7 (12:47):
And I think you know, if you're in his spot,
you say, okay, I got one year left.
Speaker 6 (12:51):
You're looking for the perfect place.
Speaker 7 (12:53):
The perfect place would have been Minnesota.
Speaker 6 (12:57):
Minnesota wants to get a longer look at JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 7 (12:59):
And again we've been over this before, Colin, Like, if
they bring in Sam Darnold or Daniel Jones, like, that's
much different than bringing in Aaron Rodgers, where if you
bring in Aaron Rodgers, you are just jamming on the
pause button on the JJ McCarthy era at best. And
how do you figure that's going to affect his development.
Speaker 6 (13:17):
There are a lot of things that go.
Speaker 7 (13:19):
Into that, you know, And so I think now it's
sort of going through the situation with the Steelers. I
think one thing the Steelers have going for them, the
un offensive line's gotten better. They also have peers of
his on his team. They're going to be operating with
the same level of vergency. Veteran players, Guys like TJ. Watt,
who will be thirty one, make if it's patch, if
he'll be twenty nine, Cam Hayward, who I believes going
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into his fourteenth year as an NFL player, DK Metcalt
now in his third contract. This is jumping on a
moving train. This is not a team that needs to
be lifted up. They've been in the playoffs. They need
somebody to come help me bring to take him over
the top. So ultimately I think he does wind up there.
But I think you're right when you say, like this
isn't the perfect situation, it's a really good one.
Speaker 6 (14:02):
And I think that's what he's considering right now.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Okay, at West Palm Beach looks like the Breakers if
I if I make guests, yeah, yeah, pretty good, pretty
good place.
Speaker 7 (14:09):
And I don't and and I don't normally wear sunglasses.
I think it's kind of douchy to wear some glasses
the air. But it is so bright out here. And
I'm not saying that to make anybody back home jealous,
but it is so bright out here that actually hurt
my eyes.
Speaker 6 (14:21):
That he's sitting here.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
That's okay, So let's wrap it up with this.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
We've got Cleveland owners saying yep, swinging a miss onto Sean.
We've got the Giants getting Russell Wilson and Jamis Winston.
There's a lot of move and we're all trying to
play like Inspector Clusau and figure out with the clues,
what's gonna happen, who's gonna pick a quarterback?
Speaker 3 (14:38):
And then there's other reports on mock.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Draft people that oh, Chadors dropping out, Well, we know
Cam's going one the Giants in the Browns. Do you
believe Schador Sanders goes to either Cleveland or the New
York Giants.
Speaker 7 (14:55):
If you put a gun to my head today, I
would say I'm doing Carter at two to Cleveland, Travis
Hunter at three to the Giants. I think the Giants
have protected themselves so they don't have to force anything
at quarterback, and I do think, you know, like the
idea of taking Travis Hunter and then maybe a day
two quarterback where you're not tied to that guy for
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the next ten years, but you get it, you're taking
a shot at it.
Speaker 6 (15:18):
Might work better for them.
Speaker 7 (15:20):
I think Cleveland could take a similar approach here and
maybe working out of trade for Kirk Cousins the Friday
after the draft.
Speaker 6 (15:28):
And it's an interesting thing here. So Jimmy Haslam, J W.
Speaker 7 (15:32):
Johnson, and Andrew Berry had dinner on Thursday night in
State College, Pennsylvania with Abdual Carter. Kevin Stefanski wasn't there.
Kevin Stefanski was actually an Oxford, Mississippi for Jackson darts
pro day. And the fact that they would take their
head coach and put him there in Mississippi rather than
sitting down with Carter tells me they're at least thinking
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about the idea of taking Carter at two and either
sitting there at thirty three and Drake and taking one there,
or maybe be moving into the bottom of the first
round and taking one at that point. And I think
if you do that, then Cousins comes into play because
the relationship between Stefanski and Cousins. So I think there
are a lot of moving pieces with both those teams.
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My guess right now would be that neither of them
takes Shador, and then it becomes anywhere as guess where
Shador goes, because like I said to you last week,
like he's sort of like Bonnicks to me like this,
like this this year's version of bon Knicks where last
year or very few teams that had Bonnicks as a
first round pick, he had to find a fit and
he obviously found that in Denver and no one cares
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or anybody had any more.
Speaker 6 (16:36):
Because he played great for the Broncos.
Speaker 7 (16:38):
I think that's Chador this year, where a lot of
teams don't look him in as a first round talent
and he's gonna have to find a fit.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Wow, that is really really And then you get down
to the Raiders where they've got Gino, who by the way,
play action passing, because I think they're gonna take Genti.
And the reason I think that is Pete Carroll's best
years were with Reggie Bush at sc and Marshawn in Seattle.
And they need a run but running back, and this
is a star running back and also Gino on play
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action passes is like his passer ratings one oh six
since he's been in Seattle, So he's not a guy
that's going to play from behind and sling it forty
five times. So that is really interesting on Shadur, So
what you're basically saying is the draft guys that think
there's not a big gap between Chadur and Kyle mccordon,
Jackson Dart, and Jalen Milroll. So what's the point of
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tying yourself to a guy? Right?
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Is that what you're saying.
Speaker 6 (17:31):
I think it's I think I would say this.
Speaker 7 (17:33):
I think for most of the people I've talked to,
and I still have a ton of phone calls to
make over the next three or four weeks, but I
think the consensus that I'm getting from people who evaluate
this stuff for a living is that cam Ward talent wise,
is a bigger separation talent wise between cam Whard and
Shador Sanders than there is between Shador Sanders and Jackson Dark. Again,
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that does not mean Schador Sanders can't go top ten.
It's because there could be a team of season as
the perfect fit, and if you see him as a
long term answer quarterback. You swallow hard and take him
the same way the Broncos did at twelve last year Bonitz,
even though if the Broncos didn't take him at twelve,
he may have slipped out of the first round altogether.
But yeah, I think Chador is closer to the pack,
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if that's what you're asking. He's closer to the pack, yb.
He is to cam Ward from a talent perspective, when
you talk to all of these NFL people, Wow.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
I kind of look I like the sunglasses. I can
be honest with you. It makes you look more mysterious
and like you have better information. You're hiding something from us.
Speaker 6 (18:31):
I like it better information.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
I don't know, there's there's something.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
When you get those shades, you got like a detective
look to you. I like you're out there behind bushes
trying to get scoops from NFL owners.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
I like to look my man.
Speaker 6 (18:43):
All right, maybe maybe, maybe maybe I'll try to get
next week.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
We'll see, okay, Albert Berry, good, see anybody that's really
I think that's really interesting. Basically, Cam's the star and
Chaudeur is more middle of the pack. He's in the
mill row. Kyle McCord Jackson dark class. So it's like,
you know, if you take a quarterback first round, you
gotta play him. If you take a quarterback in the
second round, you can sit him.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Nobody's gonna complain for two or three years.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
I had totally forgotten what he said about bow Nicks.
How the bo Nicks wasn't loved by a lot of teams.
You just need one team to love him.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
But here's the thing.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
Bow Knicks was pretty damn good as a rookie. They
got to the playoffs. Their win total you just slash
was nine and a half. Did this idea that people
are passing on Sdor because he may not be a
good fit.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
I'm stunned. I got it. I'm flabagaster.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
You know, it's interesting. It was a very good quarterback
draft class last year. Bow Knicks was like, but people
thought he had a lower ceiling. Now Sean loved him.
That's the Jalen Millroll thing. I hear Pittsburgh and the
Jets both really like Jalen Milroe.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Now with the Jets, this is this is a gut feeling.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
So the Jets are like, We're not gonna take Jalen Millrow,
not at seven, No, Aaron Glenn's like, I just came
from a stacked roster. We have a good roster here,
Jets at seven go, we'll trade down. Somebody will trade down,
and all of a sudden you get down to twelve
and you get an extra second or a third round pick.
Then you're like, okay, we could do and then you again,
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you let the you answer the phone, don't.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
I'm dead serious on this.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
When you get a new coach in like a Vrabel
or an Aaron Glenn, a lot of those guys they
want their own players, they want more draft picks, they
want their own colt, they want their privately.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
I mean, Aaron Glenn said to Aaron Rodgers not interested.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
By the way they did like you said, they just
fired what one hundred and fifty people in the building.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Like no, Aaron Glenn. New coaches generally want their.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
God time to take out the trash, as they like
to say.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Yeah, so I could see the Jets trading down, and
if they trade down in the I mean even going
down to a thirteen fourteen, then you take mil Row
and it's like you can argue it's a little hot.
You're not taking them at seven, right. I'm pro Milroe again.
I know he the tapes sound great. I just want
to know because I think Klat's.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
Coming on later, right. I think I saw that most
of the season. We said Shadur is going to be
one or two in the draft.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
Yes, And now all of a sudden he's dropping like
a rock. Colin.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
Something's not adding up here? Is he not interviewing? Well,
something's got to be Well.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
They're like Caleb Williams. There were some moments people question maturity.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
He's a twenty one year old kid in from now whatever.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
We never questioned that with Jayden and Daniels or Bnix,
and we never saw it in the NFL, So there
was a little question on Caleb.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
There's a little question. We don't see it with Milrow.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
So you know, you like with Milrow, you don't see
any immaturity, Bo Nix, Michael Pennix. You saw a little
with Caleb. I defended him, and you see a little
with Shdoor. The difference is Caleb is a much better
athlete than Shade or Sanders.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
It's not close.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
So what people may be saying is he doesn't blow
you away as an athlete, and he got some of
the Caleb maturity stuff we worry a little bit about.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
Well, I mean, do you think he's not as good
of an athlete as bo Nicks.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
I'm gonna say something right now, I know Bonnicks. Bonnicks
is way more mobile than anyone that wants you to it.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
One needs to start running a forty. He needs to
do some activity.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
I need to see something.
Speaker 5 (22:09):
I haven't seen anything from him in months, right since
the end of the season.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
I feel bad for the kid a little bit.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
But yeah, I mean people are saying he doesn't blow
you away physically, and then you throw in some stuff
where you're like a couple of times. I don't love
some of the things he didn't. I defended Caleb on
it when he jumped into the stands or he painted
his fingernails. I did have an executive in the NFL
say they hated the fingernail thing. Thought it was really
juvenile and really stupid.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
Whatever. But but that stuff matters.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
That's like me saying I hate your hat backwards take man,
I just I can't do it.
Speaker 6 (22:40):
I count when I can't.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
The rest of the country loves it all. That's all.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
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Speaker 1 (22:55):
Did you did you just see this? I saw it
this morning. The most popular baseball player based on sales
of Nike jerseys from the Fanatics network of sites top
six or New York or LA Top eleven, all from
big fan bases Braves, Phillies, Mets, Dodgers, Astros.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
So.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
The Dodgers won again last night. They're now six and oh.
So you know I've said this before. When you live
in the Northeast, you know, people you know, think baseball
begins with Yankees, Red Sox, Mets. People have no understanding
really when they're out east, quite how big the Dodgers are.
I mean, the Dodgers average forty eight thousand per night.
(23:34):
Fenway Park in Boston only seats thirty seven thousand, so
I mean they're averaging potentially eleven thousand more per game.
And Dodger Stadium is the third oldest, and I'm telling
you this what's impressive. They average seven thousand more per
game than the Yankees and Dodger Stadium. I'm being diplomatic.
Is hard to get into. I'm getting anxiety thinking of it.
I go to therapy the day before I go, like
(23:56):
it is. It tests you better have patience. And it's
a beautiful stadium. It is the food, the views, the weather,
the people. They're well behaved. It is a remarkable baseball palace.
It is stunning, but it's hard to get it out
of And they're averaging seven thousand more than the Yankees.
(24:17):
So and they have a pipeline right now to Japan.
They defer the payments. There are miles ahead on R
and D. And I mean they don't bring anybody up
that doesn't work from the miners like everybody works. They
make very few mistakes. They've led baseball attendance fifteen straat years.
They are just a complete revenue monster. This was always
(24:37):
a Laker town and now it's a Dodger town. I mean,
you don't have to be from here. It is a
Dodger to everywhere you go in town. It's Dodger hats.
It's unbelievable. And it's just when I look at fanatics
and who is selling at Dodger players all through that thing,
and you know, nobody ever had a problem when the
Yankees dominated in the Red Sox dominated Hot stove League.
(24:59):
I can remember being at the other place and everybody
celebrated it. Now everybody's freaked out. And I think the
Dodgers have separated from the sport. Talked to Bob and
they also, we're in an event culture.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Now.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Dodger games feel like an event because they have superstars.
So and Yankee games used to feel like that a
little bit when they had Jeter and a rod It
they felt a little bit like even a Tuesday game
felt a little special, like a big event. Lebron Luca
can feel that. Dodger games feel like an event, and
that's hard to do in baseball. There's a lot of games.
Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
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Speaker 4 (25:38):
All right, let's go back to the tush push. Colin.
Speaker 5 (25:40):
The NFL coaches meetings are happening right now. Hot topic
is the Toush push. Everybody's got an opinion. Sean McVay
said the Toush push doesn't look like football. Matt Lafleur
said it's a rugby play. Are you seeing where we're
going with this?
Speaker 4 (25:54):
Dimiko Ryan said he.
Speaker 5 (25:55):
Doesn't like punishing it a team for being good at something.
Aaron Glenn said his job is to stop the play.
The legality of the play was supposed to be voted
on today, but the vote has been pushed to May.
Not sure what that means.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
I don't love it.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
You don't love what the Trish Bush. It's more rugby
than football to me.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
I don't like it.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
And I think the NFL changed the kickoff, they changed
the pat It feels too automatic.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
I don't listen.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Joe Madden invented a defensive shift, and Baseball eventually said
congrats on the innovation, but we're eliminating it because we
don't think it's good television.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
It's not good for math.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
So you think the Trish Bush is not good TV.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Now I think it's bad.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
And I think if you're using it six or seven,
I don't think it's good TV. I think it's And again,
people have invented stuff in sports and then the governance
has stepped in. It's just like tax accountants find loopholes
and then the government steps in and goes, okay, you
had it for six years. We're closing a loophole. We've
got a new administration, so we have regulations added, regulations
taken away. We do this all the time in all
(26:54):
of our businesses. I don't think the tush push feels
like a creative football player.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
So you like Diynash in sports, right?
Speaker 3 (27:01):
I like big brands, big games, big stars.
Speaker 5 (27:04):
And what do they do when they dominate? You like
them dominate. The tush push is utterly dominant, Colin. It
is unstoppable.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
I'm tuning. The Eagles have.
Speaker 5 (27:13):
Hacked things so well that hey, we just need to
get like to third and two and then we can
get the first down in two plays. That to me
is smart football and it's dominant. Nobody can stop.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Well defensive shift with smart baseball.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
But that made it boring. I don't think the.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Trush push is boring thing.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
Is it restricting offense?
Speaker 3 (27:28):
I think it's pretty boring.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
I would rather see Andy Reid in a third and
two do something clever than a leg press by the Eagles.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
A leg press.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
Well, anyways, we'll see what happens in May. Next up
is the forty nine Ers, who you, for some reason
don't like the season interesting. We're waiting for the Brock
pretty contract. John Lynch said he's optimistic there will be
no drama, saying Brock wants to be with us. We
want Brock to be with us. When that's the case,
these things get done. Hopefully it happens really soon in
(28:00):
this offseason.
Speaker 6 (28:01):
Now.
Speaker 5 (28:01):
They had a protracted issue last year with Brandon Ayuki
was very ugly and I'm sure they regret it. They're
trying not to make that happen with Purty. I can't
even understand what's.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
A hold up? Could?
Speaker 8 (28:12):
I think?
Speaker 1 (28:13):
You know, we always talk about what's the most interesting team?
Bears last year, then they weren't by Thanksgiving. I think
the Niners are really really interesting, a lot of older players.
I mean, they wanted to keep green Law and a Fungo,
they like that hurt. They wanted to keep those guys.
I mean they went and met with green Law and
like tried to talk him into staying. But he's a
Bronco now, and so they had some defense. And remember
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Bosa gets hurt from time to time when he's out
of that defense. No green Law, no Bosa, no whu Funga.
It's not the same defense.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
What about the offensive.
Speaker 5 (28:46):
Who's stopping that Kyle Shanahan offense.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
I don't know. Plenty of teams did last year.
Speaker 5 (28:50):
Well, when no McCaffrey, no ayukh and it's overcast. Ricky
Pierson stop with the weather in Purty now Ricky Piersoll.
Entering year two, there is chatter that the Niner could
go Tyler Warren go more two tight end sets shake up.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
The offense a little bit from Shanahan, who's been stuff.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Even though we don't have a lot of superstars in
the first twelve picks, there are some players like I
mean again, if you put a pass rusher on the
other side of Bosa, you're like, oh, that's an upgrade.
I mean, there are some there are some clear upgrades.
Travis Hunter to the Patriots, it's like, oh, they got
some speed on the perimeter, Like that's a real ethifi
if he James the outroom of a close game or two.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
Rear made it sound like he's not getting by the Giants,
which and I'm just texting somebody about Shador Sanders.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
I don't know, God, I'm just getting me or on
the Dure has to be a top seven to eight pick.
Speaker 5 (29:38):
I thought he was automatically going to I just don't
see it. But you know, we've got some time to
chew on that final story. Colin a few weeks ago
we heard reports that the Vikings were interested in Aaron
Rodgers even though they have McCarthy on the roster. Kevin
O'Connell addressed those reports, saying Rogers was at a point
in his career where he was free to have a
real dialogue about his future. The Vikings head coach sure
(30:00):
to add he feels very strongly J. J.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
McCarthy is ready to go to work and make a
positive impact.
Speaker 5 (30:09):
I don't know why the Vikings keep talking about Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
It's it cannot be good for JJ McCarthy's men.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
I think a lot of it's tied to his rehab.
He had that second surgery in like November.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
I think a lot of it's tied to that.
Speaker 5 (30:21):
It's March now, buddy, it's been like, well, it's it's
maybe they're a little.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
He's got to be your guy.
Speaker 5 (30:27):
Imagine if you know I'm your guy, you like me,
You're just hyping up someone else in the media who
wants my spot.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
How would I feel?
Speaker 3 (30:34):
That's why I'm on the phone all afternoon and you know.
Speaker 5 (30:37):
You ghost me when I talked to you about the
Rockets Lakers last night.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
Interesting, Okay, I guess I got to look up it.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
I called you twice this weekend and you're at some
uh coaching.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
You know, I got some stuff going on. We'll catch
up to the whites in town. You what you want
to get together.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
My wife's in town. Yeah, yeah, she's she's in town
for a reason. I'm not going to talk about. She
got she got business to do.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Oh business, tedious business.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
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Speaker 1 (32:38):
So you know, I've said this before that occasionally you
get a fan base that I feel bad for. Is
that the owners getting older or they just they're not
progressive and they're they just kind of are out of
step with the culture. I thought as the three ball
got big in the NBA, I thought the Lakers were
(33:00):
a little late to the three ball. Some teams were,
and I've said I think Jerry Jones is becoming the
old Al Davis where they're missing on too many draft picks,
overpaying for people, real top heavy as a franchise. I
saw this quote the Steeers are getting comfortable with Mason Rudolph.
Good kid, been there before, but in his career twenty
(33:23):
eight touchdowns, twenty picks, not real mobile.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
This is a very insular franchise that did not go
out of the building when they look for a GM.
So it's the same old ideas and the same old
insular thinking. Four straight year they'll spend the most money
on defense, four straight year they will be, you know,
near the bottom of offense.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
So that's who they are.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Mike Tomlin seems to be, you know, okay with Mason Rudolph.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
If he's the guy that's.
Speaker 8 (33:53):
Why we brought him back. I'm comfortable with that man.
We've been there before. He's very capable. Mason's not a
kid many been around. He's been in multiple systems, and situations,
and so I don't expect that to be a significant hurdle.
He's a good football guy. He's a good teammate, you know,
And that's one of the you know, informal responsibilities of
the job, if you will, to connect with your teammates
(34:16):
and lead and a lot of instances and all of that.
Is is a really comfortable natural act for him.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Again, he is a substantially predictable and dependable backup in
a division with Joe Burrow and Lamar Jackson and in
a conference with Josh Allen and Mahomes and Herbert and c. J. Stroud,
and you get the point. It's just the time of
(34:43):
the year right now is the time that everybody, all
NFL fan bases are embracing Hope and the Steelers are
embracing Mason Rudolph. And this goes back to what I've
said about defensive coaches. They have no urgency on fixing
the old line or quarterbacks, so that the Steelers need
to adjust for quarterback inflation. The price has gone up
to be great at quarterback. And I've said it before,
(35:05):
even if Aaron Rodgers chooses them, I'll give them one
more win. Is I don't like the O line. I
think they have two receivers that will want the ball.
They lost their best back. And it's funny when you
think about offense in the NFL. Close your eyes and
you can think about the Niners and Rams, and you
can think about you see creative and you think Kansas City.
(35:29):
Close your eyes and you see innovation and you see Philadelphia.
Close your eyes offense and you think physicality, tush, push
run game. You close your eyes on the Steelers offense.
There's nothing there. There is absolutely nothing there, and they
don't have any identity. And so again we've said this before,
it's okay to inherit a quarterback out of their prime,
(35:53):
but they can't be a life preserver. And Aaron Rodgers
to me, feels like a water bottle with a house fire.
The offensively, there's just nothing there. There's no identity. Nause
Harris said it. There's no culture. You can bring Brady
to Bruce arians a great GM and excellent receivers, bring Gronk.
That's not a life preserver. They were a five hundred
(36:14):
team with all sorts of talent. Stafford of the Rams
was not a life preserver. But Russell to Denver was
Aaron to the Jets. That's a hail Mary, and that's
what Aaron is here like that, Hey, you can solve
our offense. We're gonna pay DK metcalf a fortune and
get forty one year old Aaron Rodgers. So that just
doesn't it just doesn't play for me. Okay, Now I
(36:38):
did Top of the Hour. I did NFL Future bets.
They're now being unveiled with different sports companies, right, and
I had three overs, three unders. I think most of
them are pretty easy. I tend to think, you know,
I tend to think the Commanders over nine and a
half wins. Rams over nine and a half. They had
(37:02):
major offensive line and wide receiver injuries in September and October.
That's not going to happen again. Patriots over seven and
a half, Titans with Cam Mood over five and a half.
That's probably my favorite bet. Titans over five and a
half is probably my favorite. I think the Chiefs under
eleven and a half, Niners under ten and a half,
Cowboys under seven and a half. Chiefs were eleven to
(37:24):
zero in one possession games. That doesn't happen. Even if
they went eight and three, they'd finished with ten or
eleven wins, and I also think the division is getting
much much better.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
J Mack challenged me, all right, let's.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
Start with the forty nine ers. So I had to
look this up.
Speaker 5 (37:40):
Kyle Shanahan, you remove his first year in San Franz, right,
he just got there. Then they got Garoppolo mid season.
The only seasons they haven't won ten or more games.
Garoppolo got hurt in twenty eighteen, twenty twenty, they had
injuries after the Super Bowl, and then last year where
they had injuries to McCaffrey a yugan like everybody every
other year where people have been healthy thirteen and three,
(38:02):
ten and seven, thirteen and four.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
That argument, Remember you said, well if you take out
the first year, Well McVeigh won first year in LA,
so let's not do that.
Speaker 5 (38:11):
Well he got he inherited a first round number one
overall pick a quarterback.
Speaker 4 (38:14):
The Niners were a dumpster fire when Shanahan got them.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
All right, Well, the Rams were a dumpster fire with
Jeff Fisher, so let's not take out the first year.
What you're telling me is every other year he has
a losing record.
Speaker 5 (38:24):
No, No, he's got I mean the injuries to quarterbacks matter.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
Jimmy Garuffolo goes.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Down like has already been hurt twice, and their old
lines not good.
Speaker 5 (38:33):
Well last year the injuries were everywhere. But I'm just
telling you you're old. Old teams get.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
Hurt a lot.
Speaker 5 (38:38):
The numbers ten and a half, I would I would
be reluctant to go under you.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
You know who didn't get hurt last year?
Speaker 1 (38:44):
The Rams, young defense, young units don't and when they
get hurt, they rebound.
Speaker 4 (38:50):
And what night Yuke is young? Christian McCaffrey's young.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
Trent Williams isn't Menaffrey, isn't Kittle. Isn't they have another
offensive lineman? They're not, They're not young.
Speaker 4 (39:00):
I would struggle.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Also, they have twelve draft picks, even if they hit
on eight.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
That is a lot of young players.
Speaker 5 (39:09):
I do want to see the schedule, but remember no
first play schedule this year.
Speaker 4 (39:12):
It's gonna be okay.
Speaker 5 (39:13):
I would agree with the Chiefs under I think they could.
They could be like a nine win team. I know
people don't.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
I don't disagree, and I'm not.
Speaker 4 (39:20):
Overreacting to Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (39:21):
I would agree with you on the Cowboys, agree on the.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
Commanders and Rams. Why is the.
Speaker 5 (39:26):
Commander's only nine and a half they got they seemingly
got better.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
Well, the Giants could be worse and Dallas will be.
So that doesn't make a ton of sense.
Speaker 5 (39:34):
We're missing something there. Ram seems about right. I think
he's just still too bullish on the Patriots. They're just
throwing guy.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
They were three and six and one score games and
they were really bad coaching. So if you have a
major coaching upgrade and two hundred million, and my guess
is they have enough draft picks, they'll find three or
four decent plays.
Speaker 4 (39:54):
I think Vrabels were like four wins right out of
the game.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
Well, no, it's funny you say that. So what do
I think Vrabel's worth? I think girawed mayout of Rabel.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
Let's just talk. It is a three point swing, would
I don't disagree? Okay?
Speaker 1 (40:05):
I think Drake May Rookie of the Year two is
about a one to one and a half point swing.
Speaker 4 (40:10):
Okay, So there's two hundred.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
Million in free agency in a draft class again, feels
like a one to a one and a half point swing. Well,
all of a sudden you look up, that's six points,
three and six and one score games. Does that go
to seven and two in one score games? If Rabel's
worth just a field, He's not replacing Sean Payton. Rabel
is replacing somebody who appeared to be a bit over
(40:33):
skis is Drake may first year to second worth another
possession to to a game?
Speaker 3 (40:40):
Moving the change?
Speaker 1 (40:41):
And I think if you spend two hundred million dollars
in get nine draft picks, that's worth a point to
a point and a half. Oay, So I think I'm looking.
I think they they'll be six. Let's say they're just
six points better a game. Well, the three and six
becomes six and three and one score games.
Speaker 4 (40:55):
Now, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (40:56):
I think the staff can pull up the NFC West,
but I did write down it's here, the Arizona Cardinals
are eight and a half.
Speaker 4 (41:03):
Did that jump out at us?
Speaker 5 (41:04):
Maybe I need to consider them because Cowboys seven and
a half rams nine and a half.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
I think people. I think people like Arizona's coaching staff really. Now,
I'll tell you this. The Commanders, it should be noted,
face the AFC West and the NFC Nord.
Speaker 4 (41:24):
R US is stacked.
Speaker 3 (41:25):
Well so is the NFC Nord.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
So if you're wondering why the Commanders are at nine
and a half and not ten to ten and a half.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
It's it's a schedule.
Speaker 5 (41:33):
So yeah, guys don't want to go over on any
NFC East teams because that is those are the two
toughest divisions.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
You gotta face.
Speaker 4 (41:38):
Cowboys unders.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
The smart My favorite bet here is is and it's
a little unknown, but I think Titans over and Chiefs under.
Speaker 4 (41:48):
Lover Cowboys unders.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
Really, Chiefs are not going twelve and five.
Speaker 4 (41:51):
No, I mean you.
Speaker 5 (41:53):
Looked old and slow in the Super Bowl. Now it's
just one game. But the offensive line have they gotten
better this off season?
Speaker 3 (41:58):
It's worse?
Speaker 4 (41:59):
So what are people doing?
Speaker 5 (42:01):
Maybe the Rashi Rice is worth a win a wide receiver,
I don't.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
The Raiders went toe to toe with the Chiefs twice
and and we're bad at quarterback like.
Speaker 5 (42:13):
And bad at coache well and not great her all right? Uh?
Speaker 1 (42:17):
Gianni and Fantino, the president of FIFA, joyful came on
the show today, made me jealous of his life. Switzerland
and Italy Albert were Joel Klatt next Hour talking to
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Speaker 3 (00:26):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Coming this summer the Club World Cup before the World
Cup a year out. So great to have the FIFA
president on. By the way, the US will have two
teams Seattle Sounders and Miami will both be in. Those
will be the two teams. And then is it thirty
two other teams or thirty other teams involved in the
Club World Cup? Winner a billion dollars in versus a
(00:47):
billion dollars, So it's like a pre World Cup with
the world's best club teams, all the best players and
Boppe will be here, Messi, Harry Kane, all the best
players in the world will be here.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
So it's gonna be a pre World Cup.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
And there's clear evidence that anytime a World Cup is
in the United States, massive popularity swings in merchandising and
fandom happened.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
You know, listen.
Speaker 5 (01:09):
I can't take full credit, but I do like I
know you like soccer in college basketball, but Colin, you
have to You're starting to nudge a little more in
the direction of those sports since the addition of your boyhood.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
I'm jealous of anybody who lives in Zurich and vacations
in Italy. I've heard the things I've never been to either.
Zurich's got my favorite airport in the world. It's like
a great Swiss watch. It is perfect. The trains are
on the second, the food, the cleanliness, it's great. If
I owe anytime I can connect through Zurich, do it
(01:41):
spend an afternoon.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Marveling at the airport.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Okay, so we're gonna go to the NFL, you know,
winter meetings here pretty quick. But the over and unders
are now with all the betting companies are coming out,
you know in Vegas over unders. So these numbers are
how many games do you think a team can win?
And you know, as you know, they always come in
half seven and a half, eight and a half, and you,
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as a consumer, bet the under or bet the over. Now,
most fans bet the over, they're optimistic. I tend to
find unders, but I found three unders and three overs
that are interesting. So let's go to the conferences first.
The one that jumps out to me. Let's start in
the AFC for our radio audience. Bills eleven and a half,
Dolphins eight and a half, Jets five and a half.
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The Patriots at seven and a half to me, feels
like an over massive upgrade on coaching staff. Also, they
were three and six in one score games with a
rookie quarterback, so there's going to be an ascension. They're
going to be a better one score game team. They
spend almost two hundred million in free agency. I would
bet the over on the Patriots. Let's go to the Ravens, Bengals, Steelers, Browns.
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Nothing jumps out to me. Ravens eleven and a half,
Bengals nine and a half, Steelers eight and a half,
Browns five and a half. Nothing seems underwhelming or overwhelming.
The next division projected win total AFC South. This is
one of my favorite overs, So the Texans at nine
and a half. Colt Jaggs seven and a half wins
the Titans at five and a half. Bet the over.
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Brian Callahan, listen, he was so frustrated. Will Levis arguably
gave three wins away last year. So cam Ward there's
just not gonna be nobody's gonna quite know what to
do until he has an offseason.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Remember CJ.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Stroud came in and it kind of feels like everybody's
kind of waiting for CJ. Stroud to fall apart, and
he didn't. So I think cam Ward. The upgrade cam
Ward to will Levis is gonna get you a seven
or eight or nine wins in this division, just a
very weak AFC South Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Broncos, Chargers, Raiders.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
I think Kansas City under eleven and a half is
one of my favorite bets. Broncos nine and a half,
Chargers nine and a half, Raiders six and a half.
I'd probably go over Chargers, but the under on Kansas City.
Remember they were eleven and oh in one score games
like recovering fumbles. Regression is coming. Even if they go
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eight and three. Nobody goes eleven to zero and one
score games. Also, they're still trying to figure out their
offensive line. Joe Tooney left their best offensive lineman and
they don't you know, they're using somebody's backup at left tackle.
They're an injury away in the on line from being
a complete mess. They're also getting older in key spots.
Now we go to the NFC. One of my fa
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I have an over and under bet in the same division,
So Eagles eleven and a half.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
That's about right.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
I'm gonna take the over on the Commanders and the
under on the Cowboys. So listen, Jayden Daniels is the
real deal. I just talked to somebody, a friend who
was at an event Jayden Daniels was at in the
last couple of weeks. The kids unbelievable. They spent money,
the coaching nine and a half. I mean they're gonna
go two and oh against the Cowboys and two and
oh against the Giants. So I think the Commanders is
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I mean ten and seven with the Lamar Jackson of
the NFC at quarterback. Shock anybody also the Cowboys? I
would bet the under they want. I don't think anybody's
quite embracing. Brian Schottenheimer to me, had struggled to remain
at the same place as a coordinator.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
I think they went cheap.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
They also gotta pay Micah Again, this is a team
that's a ceedee. Lamb sprained ankle from you know, being
fairly weaponless, I would take the under now we go.
Nothing jumps out to me. At the NFC North Lions
ten and a half, Packers nine and a half, Bears
eight and a half, Vikings eight and a half. Nothing
jumps out to me. Everybody wants to bet the Bears
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in the over, be careful. Nothing really jumps out to me.
In the NFC South Bucks should win. Best roster Falcons
maybe a little underserved, but I refuse to bet the
Falcons on anything. I've lost a fortune over the years.
Panthers Saints both six and a half wins. Now they're
two surprises to me. In the NFC West, I would
take the under on the Niners ten and a half.
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They are getting old in key spots. You got Christian
McCaffrey coming off an injury and then Brandon Aiyuk coming
off an injury. They have twelve draft picks. That is
a lot lot of young players. Rookies don't flourish generally,
except key positions in the NFL. Also, they lost Greenlaw
and Hufunga. They wanted to keep both. Those are leaders,
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great instinctive players, so we haven't loved their defense in
the last couple of years and when Bosa gets hurt,
it's a bad defense and he's getting older. I would
bet the under on the Niners at ten and a half.
I would bet the over on the Rams at nine
and a half. They need a corner. Outside of that,
they are set, they're getting better. The defense got better
Thanksgiving on, so the Rams I would take the over.
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So my over and under bets, I would take the
Commanders over nine and a half, the Patriots over seven
and a half, of the Titans over five and a half.
My unders are the Chiefs under eleven and a half,
the ram the Niners under ten and a half, the
Cowboys under seven and a half. I also think the
Rams can hit the over. I think the Rams can
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hit the over. McVeigh, Stafford, DeVante Adams. They cannot be
as physically immobile as they were last year when the
offensive line fell apart. That's not gonna happen again. They'll
have more depth. They're gonna draft to tackle early in
this draft. So Jmac, anything jump out to you too much?
Speaker 5 (07:12):
Actually, I know we have a guest coming up. We
definitely need to revisit this. I've got some beef with
some stuff you're saying the one thing that really jumped out.
So I see Titans five and a half, totally agree?
But did I see the Jets and the Giants are
also five and a half.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
Meaning those are the three worst teams in the league.
Oh my gosh, I didn't know the Jets had fallen
that far. Five and a half win total. Gosh, it's bleak.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Yeah, I mean New York Football's bleak.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Terrible.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Albert Breer joining us live. Here we go from Palm Beach.
Not a bad place to join us live from. Okay,
at the NFL owner meetings, Okay, let's get so. I
I've always had a theory on overtime. You want it
to be quick. I don't want my defense on the
field for another fourteen plays. So the NFL has said, okay,
both teams now get the ball once.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
It's going to be ten minutes.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
My question is, what if a team gets it to
the nine minute, fifty eight second drive and scores. What
do you do then, I mean, I your takeaway and
the new NFL owner change in overtime?
Speaker 6 (08:17):
Well, I think there are a couple of factors there.
Speaker 7 (08:19):
Of course, it won't affect you know, play the playoffs,
because the playoffs will play until they have a winner
and a loser. And you know, I think if during
the regular season, there's the broadcast partners, which I think
like to keep these games as close to the window
that prescribed to be in as they can, you know,
And then I think there's the element of adding more
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place to the game. And that's a health and safety thing,
you know, And that was part of the argument against
this sort of thing years ago was that they didn't
want to put that much more damage on players. So
I think this is a fair compromise, and it does
add that element of strategy to it, you know. I
think one thing if you look back, like Bill Belichick
always wanted a time to peer, right, and the reason
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he wanted the time period is because he wanted the
clock to be part of the overtime.
Speaker 6 (09:07):
I think in doing this, you are making the clock
part of the overtime, you know.
Speaker 7 (09:10):
So you know, I think from a viewership standpoint, fifteen
might be better because you're getting the full quarter. But
you know, I think when you go to ten minutes,
you're making the clock even a bigger factor. And I
think that could interest but that could add like an
interesting element of strategy and how teams approach it. I mean,
if you're the receiving team, don't you almost don't you
almost automatically go into the four minute offense.
Speaker 6 (09:32):
I think that's what we're going to be looking at.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Okay, tush push packers are very anti tush push. It's
it's been tabled, meaning they'll do it in mid May
and figure out at the mid May meetings what is
green band Matt leaf Floor's primary objection to the tush push.
Speaker 6 (09:48):
They don't think it's a football play.
Speaker 7 (09:51):
And you know one thing that was interesting to come
from the room now, you know, a couple of days
ago when they first met on this, you know, Jim
Harbugh Mike Rabel brought up some of the holes in
the way the rule is written. And can you, I
mean the most Harbaugh thing ever, can you put two
extra guards on the field and line them up behind
the guards and push the guards because you're not pushing
behind the center?
Speaker 6 (10:12):
Rabel lost the same thing.
Speaker 7 (10:12):
Can you take the quarterback and move him behind the
guard and then push him behind the guard.
Speaker 6 (10:16):
So there were some holes in how the rule was written.
Speaker 7 (10:19):
Howie Roseman was passionate about this in the room and
saying that there's no injury data.
Speaker 6 (10:23):
This says it's more dangerous.
Speaker 7 (10:25):
The league comes back and says, well, actually, we think,
based on the posture of the player, that this could
lead to major head and spine injuries.
Speaker 6 (10:34):
Not that it hasn't yet, but that certainly is a concern.
Speaker 7 (10:38):
So, you know, you put all this in and I think,
you know, now, how do you rewrite it? And one
thing that happened inside the room today earlier this morning was,
you know, Rich Piquet, the chair of the competition for me,
said why don't we go back to the two thousand
and four rule, or at least look at that rule
and how it was written and maybe we adopt that.
So I think around somewhere around twenty teams favor of
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looking at that rule as potentially something that could be
the framework of something they vote on in May. And
it's interesting, Colin, like when they took the rule out
twenty years ago, the reason they took the rule out
was because what was happening downfield. And you'll remember this
is there were guys getting pushed into the end zone downfield,
and when they flag it, it was hard to tell
if you had a scrum downfield, whether or not you
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know an offensive player coming in was trying to block
the defensive player push his teammate across the line.
Speaker 6 (11:30):
So is that less of a concern now? Is there
a way to address that and how you write the rule?
Speaker 7 (11:35):
I think it was just there were too many things
on the table and too many concerns to pass it now.
Speaker 6 (11:39):
But the fact that they're tabling.
Speaker 7 (11:40):
It until May shows the league as a real desire
to get something done before the season.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
I just saw a headline this morning Steelers are very
comfortable with Mason Rudolph as their starter, and I thought,
oh boy, if I was a Steeler fan, that's that's
pretty discouraging. So I have made the argument with Aaron
Rodgers that he ideally wanted Minnesota, knew the division, loved
the coach, loved Justin Jefferson, and that I think deep
down he knows Pittsburgh can't get the old line right.
It's a defensive culture. He's done the East Coast. He'd
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probably like to drift back to the West. And my
guess is, I don't think he's stalling or being obnoxious.
I don't think deep down he wants to go to Pittsburgh.
But I do think he loves football and wants to
play and was pretty good last year. What is your
vibe on what you're hearing about Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 7 (12:24):
Yeah, so my vibe would be a I think you're
absolutely right that he doesn't want to go out the
way that he went out last year. I know he
you know, and coming back from the Achilles like wanting
to really appreciate the sport and you know, rediscover his
love for the game and despite how hard everything was
last year on the Jets, I think he did do
that to a certain degree.
Speaker 6 (12:44):
So I think he does want to play.
Speaker 7 (12:47):
And I think you know, if you're in his spot,
you say, okay, I got one year left.
Speaker 6 (12:51):
You're looking for the perfect place.
Speaker 7 (12:53):
The perfect place would have been Minnesota.
Speaker 6 (12:57):
Minnesota wants to get a longer look at JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 7 (12:59):
And again we've been over this before, Colin, Like, if
they bring in Sam Darnold or Daniel Jones, like, that's
much different than bringing in Aaron Rodgers, where if you
bring in Aaron Rodgers, you are just jamming on the
pause button on the JJ McCarthy era at best. And
how do you figure that's going to affect his development.
Speaker 6 (13:17):
There are a lot of things that go.
Speaker 7 (13:19):
Into that, you know, And so I think now it's
sort of going through the situation with the Steelers. I
think one thing the Steelers have going for them, the
un offensive line's gotten better. They also have peers of
his on his team. They're going to be operating with
the same level of vergency. Veteran players, Guys like TJ. Watt,
who will be thirty one, make if it's patch, if
he'll be twenty nine, Cam Hayward, who I believes going
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into his fourteenth year as an NFL player, DK Metcalt
now in his third contract. This is jumping on a
moving train. This is not a team that needs to
be lifted up. They've been in the playoffs. They need
somebody to come help me bring to take him over
the top. So ultimately I think he does wind up there.
But I think you're right when you say, like this
isn't the perfect situation, it's a really good one.
Speaker 6 (14:02):
And I think that's what he's considering right now.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Okay, at West Palm Beach looks like the Breakers if
I if I make guests, yeah, yeah, pretty good, pretty
good place.
Speaker 7 (14:09):
And I don't and and I don't normally wear sunglasses.
I think it's kind of douchy to wear some glasses
the air. But it is so bright out here. And
I'm not saying that to make anybody back home jealous,
but it is so bright out here that actually hurt
my eyes.
Speaker 6 (14:21):
That he's sitting here.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
That's okay, So let's wrap it up with this.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
We've got Cleveland owners saying yep, swinging a miss onto Sean.
We've got the Giants getting Russell Wilson and Jamis Winston.
There's a lot of move and we're all trying to
play like Inspector Clusau and figure out with the clues,
what's gonna happen, who's gonna pick a quarterback?
Speaker 3 (14:38):
And then there's other reports on mock.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Draft people that oh, Chadors dropping out, Well, we know
Cam's going one the Giants in the Browns. Do you
believe Schador Sanders goes to either Cleveland or the New
York Giants.
Speaker 7 (14:55):
If you put a gun to my head today, I
would say I'm doing Carter at two to Cleveland, Travis
Hunter at three to the Giants. I think the Giants
have protected themselves so they don't have to force anything
at quarterback, and I do think, you know, like the
idea of taking Travis Hunter and then maybe a day
two quarterback where you're not tied to that guy for
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the next ten years, but you get it, you're taking
a shot at it.
Speaker 6 (15:18):
Might work better for them.
Speaker 7 (15:20):
I think Cleveland could take a similar approach here and
maybe working out of trade for Kirk Cousins the Friday
after the draft.
Speaker 6 (15:28):
And it's an interesting thing here. So Jimmy Haslam, J W.
Speaker 7 (15:32):
Johnson, and Andrew Berry had dinner on Thursday night in
State College, Pennsylvania with Abdual Carter. Kevin Stefanski wasn't there.
Kevin Stefanski was actually an Oxford, Mississippi for Jackson darts
pro day. And the fact that they would take their
head coach and put him there in Mississippi rather than
sitting down with Carter tells me they're at least thinking
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about the idea of taking Carter at two and either
sitting there at thirty three and Drake and taking one there,
or maybe be moving into the bottom of the first
round and taking one at that point. And I think
if you do that, then Cousins comes into play because
the relationship between Stefanski and Cousins. So I think there
are a lot of moving pieces with both those teams.
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My guess right now would be that neither of them
takes Shador, and then it becomes anywhere as guess where
Shador goes, because like I said to you last week,
like he's sort of like Bonnicks to me like this,
like this this year's version of bon Knicks where last
year or very few teams that had Bonnicks as a
first round pick, he had to find a fit and
he obviously found that in Denver and no one cares
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or anybody had any more.
Speaker 6 (16:36):
Because he played great for the Broncos.
Speaker 7 (16:38):
I think that's Chador this year, where a lot of
teams don't look him in as a first round talent
and he's gonna have to find a fit.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Wow, that is really really And then you get down
to the Raiders where they've got Gino, who by the way,
play action passing, because I think they're gonna take Genti.
And the reason I think that is Pete Carroll's best
years were with Reggie Bush at sc and Marshawn in Seattle.
And they need a run but running back, and this
is a star running back and also Gino on play
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action passes is like his passer ratings one oh six
since he's been in Seattle, So he's not a guy
that's going to play from behind and sling it forty
five times. So that is really interesting on Shadur, So
what you're basically saying is the draft guys that think
there's not a big gap between Chadur and Kyle mccordon,
Jackson Dart, and Jalen Milroll. So what's the point of
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tying yourself to a guy? Right?
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Is that what you're saying.
Speaker 6 (17:31):
I think it's I think I would say this.
Speaker 7 (17:33):
I think for most of the people I've talked to,
and I still have a ton of phone calls to
make over the next three or four weeks, but I
think the consensus that I'm getting from people who evaluate
this stuff for a living is that cam Ward talent wise,
is a bigger separation talent wise between cam Whard and
Shador Sanders than there is between Shador Sanders and Jackson Dark. Again,
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that does not mean Schador Sanders can't go top ten.
It's because there could be a team of season as
the perfect fit, and if you see him as a
long term answer quarterback. You swallow hard and take him
the same way the Broncos did at twelve last year Bonitz,
even though if the Broncos didn't take him at twelve,
he may have slipped out of the first round altogether.
But yeah, I think Chador is closer to the pack,
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if that's what you're asking. He's closer to the pack, yb.
He is to cam Ward from a talent perspective, when
you talk to all of these NFL people, Wow.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
I kind of look I like the sunglasses. I can
be honest with you. It makes you look more mysterious
and like you have better information. You're hiding something from us.
Speaker 6 (18:31):
I like it better information.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
I don't know, there's there's something.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
When you get those shades, you got like a detective
look to you. I like you're out there behind bushes
trying to get scoops from NFL owners.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
I like to look my man.
Speaker 6 (18:43):
All right, maybe maybe, maybe maybe I'll try to get
next week.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
We'll see, okay, Albert Berry, good, see anybody that's really
I think that's really interesting. Basically, Cam's the star and
Chaudeur is more middle of the pack. He's in the
mill row. Kyle McCord Jackson dark class. So it's like,
you know, if you take a quarterback first round, you
gotta play him. If you take a quarterback in the
second round, you can sit him.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Nobody's gonna complain for two or three years.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
I had totally forgotten what he said about bow Nicks.
How the bo Nicks wasn't loved by a lot of teams.
You just need one team to love him.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
But here's the thing.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
Bow Knicks was pretty damn good as a rookie. They
got to the playoffs. Their win total you just slash
was nine and a half. Did this idea that people
are passing on Sdor because he may not be a
good fit.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
I'm stunned. I got it. I'm flabagaster.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
You know, it's interesting. It was a very good quarterback
draft class last year. Bow Knicks was like, but people
thought he had a lower ceiling. Now Sean loved him.
That's the Jalen Millroll thing. I hear Pittsburgh and the
Jets both really like Jalen Milroe.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Now with the Jets, this is this is a gut feeling.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
So the Jets are like, We're not gonna take Jalen Millrow,
not at seven, No, Aaron Glenn's like, I just came
from a stacked roster. We have a good roster here,
Jets at seven go, we'll trade down. Somebody will trade down,
and all of a sudden you get down to twelve
and you get an extra second or a third round pick.
Then you're like, okay, we could do and then you again,
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you let the you answer the phone, don't.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
I'm dead serious on this.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
When you get a new coach in like a Vrabel
or an Aaron Glenn, a lot of those guys they
want their own players, they want more draft picks, they
want their own colt, they want their privately.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
I mean, Aaron Glenn said to Aaron Rodgers not interested.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
By the way they did like you said, they just
fired what one hundred and fifty people in the building.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Like no, Aaron Glenn. New coaches generally want their.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
God time to take out the trash, as they like
to say.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Yeah, so I could see the Jets trading down, and
if they trade down in the I mean even going
down to a thirteen fourteen, then you take mil Row
and it's like you can argue it's a little hot.
You're not taking them at seven, right. I'm pro Milroe again.
I know he the tapes sound great. I just want
to know because I think Klat's.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
Coming on later, right. I think I saw that most
of the season. We said Shadur is going to be
one or two in the draft.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
Yes, And now all of a sudden he's dropping like
a rock. Colin.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
Something's not adding up here? Is he not interviewing? Well,
something's got to be Well.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
They're like Caleb Williams. There were some moments people question maturity.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
He's a twenty one year old kid in from now whatever.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
We never questioned that with Jayden and Daniels or Bnix,
and we never saw it in the NFL, So there
was a little question on Caleb.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
There's a little question. We don't see it with Milrow.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
So you know, you like with Milrow, you don't see
any immaturity, Bo Nix, Michael Pennix. You saw a little
with Caleb. I defended him, and you see a little
with Shdoor. The difference is Caleb is a much better
athlete than Shade or Sanders.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
It's not close.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
So what people may be saying is he doesn't blow
you away as an athlete, and he got some of
the Caleb maturity stuff we worry a little bit about.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
Well, I mean, do you think he's not as good
of an athlete as bo Nicks.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
I'm gonna say something right now, I know Bonnicks. Bonnicks
is way more mobile than anyone that wants you to it.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
One needs to start running a forty. He needs to
do some activity.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
I need to see something.
Speaker 5 (22:09):
I haven't seen anything from him in months, right since
the end of the season.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
I feel bad for the kid a little bit.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
But yeah, I mean people are saying he doesn't blow
you away physically, and then you throw in some stuff
where you're like a couple of times. I don't love
some of the things he didn't. I defended Caleb on
it when he jumped into the stands or he painted
his fingernails. I did have an executive in the NFL
say they hated the fingernail thing. Thought it was really
juvenile and really stupid.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
Whatever. But but that stuff matters.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
That's like me saying I hate your hat backwards take man,
I just I can't do it.
Speaker 6 (22:40):
I count when I can't.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
The rest of the country loves it all. That's all.
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Speaker 1 (22:55):
Did you did you just see this? I saw it
this morning. The most popular baseball player based on sales
of Nike jerseys from the Fanatics network of sites top
six or New York or LA Top eleven, all from
big fan bases Braves, Phillies, Mets, Dodgers, Astros.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
So.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
The Dodgers won again last night. They're now six and oh.
So you know I've said this before. When you live
in the Northeast, you know, people you know, think baseball
begins with Yankees, Red Sox, Mets. People have no understanding
really when they're out east, quite how big the Dodgers are.
I mean, the Dodgers average forty eight thousand per night.
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Fenway Park in Boston only seats thirty seven thousand, so
I mean they're averaging potentially eleven thousand more per game.
And Dodger Stadium is the third oldest, and I'm telling
you this what's impressive. They average seven thousand more per
game than the Yankees and Dodger Stadium. I'm being diplomatic.
Is hard to get into. I'm getting anxiety thinking of it.
I go to therapy the day before I go, like
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it is. It tests you better have patience. And it's
a beautiful stadium. It is the food, the views, the weather,
the people. They're well behaved. It is a remarkable baseball palace.
It is stunning, but it's hard to get it out
of And they're averaging seven thousand more than the Yankees.
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So and they have a pipeline right now to Japan.
They defer the payments. There are miles ahead on R
and D. And I mean they don't bring anybody up
that doesn't work from the miners like everybody works. They
make very few mistakes. They've led baseball attendance fifteen straat years.
They are just a complete revenue monster. This was always
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a Laker town and now it's a Dodger town. I mean,
you don't have to be from here. It is a
Dodger to everywhere you go in town. It's Dodger hats.
It's unbelievable. And it's just when I look at fanatics
and who is selling at Dodger players all through that thing,
and you know, nobody ever had a problem when the
Yankees dominated in the Red Sox dominated Hot stove League.
(24:59):
I can remember being at the other place and everybody
celebrated it. Now everybody's freaked out. And I think the
Dodgers have separated from the sport. Talked to Bob and
they also, we're in an event culture.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Now.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Dodger games feel like an event because they have superstars.
So and Yankee games used to feel like that a
little bit when they had Jeter and a rod It
they felt a little bit like even a Tuesday game
felt a little special, like a big event. Lebron Luca
can feel that. Dodger games feel like an event, and
that's hard to do in baseball. There's a lot of games.
Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
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Speaker 4 (25:38):
All right, let's go back to the tush push. Colin.
Speaker 5 (25:40):
The NFL coaches meetings are happening right now. Hot topic
is the Toush push. Everybody's got an opinion. Sean McVay
said the Toush push doesn't look like football. Matt Lafleur
said it's a rugby play. Are you seeing where we're
going with this?
Speaker 4 (25:54):
Dimiko Ryan said he.
Speaker 5 (25:55):
Doesn't like punishing it a team for being good at something.
Aaron Glenn said his job is to stop the play.
The legality of the play was supposed to be voted
on today, but the vote has been pushed to May.
Not sure what that means.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
I don't love it.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
You don't love what the Trish Bush. It's more rugby
than football to me.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
I don't like it.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
And I think the NFL changed the kickoff, they changed
the pat It feels too automatic.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
I don't listen.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Joe Madden invented a defensive shift, and Baseball eventually said
congrats on the innovation, but we're eliminating it because we
don't think it's good television.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
It's not good for math.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
So you think the Trish Bush is not good TV.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Now I think it's bad.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
And I think if you're using it six or seven,
I don't think it's good TV. I think it's And again,
people have invented stuff in sports and then the governance
has stepped in. It's just like tax accountants find loopholes
and then the government steps in and goes, okay, you
had it for six years. We're closing a loophole. We've
got a new administration, so we have regulations added, regulations
taken away. We do this all the time in all
(26:54):
of our businesses. I don't think the tush push feels
like a creative football player.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
So you like Diynash in sports, right?
Speaker 3 (27:01):
I like big brands, big games, big stars.
Speaker 5 (27:04):
And what do they do when they dominate? You like
them dominate. The tush push is utterly dominant, Colin. It
is unstoppable.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
I'm tuning. The Eagles have.
Speaker 5 (27:13):
Hacked things so well that hey, we just need to
get like to third and two and then we can
get the first down in two plays. That to me
is smart football and it's dominant. Nobody can stop.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Well defensive shift with smart baseball.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
But that made it boring. I don't think the.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Trush push is boring thing.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
Is it restricting offense?
Speaker 3 (27:28):
I think it's pretty boring.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
I would rather see Andy Reid in a third and
two do something clever than a leg press by the Eagles.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
A leg press.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
Well, anyways, we'll see what happens in May. Next up
is the forty nine Ers, who you, for some reason
don't like the season interesting. We're waiting for the Brock
pretty contract. John Lynch said he's optimistic there will be
no drama, saying Brock wants to be with us. We
want Brock to be with us. When that's the case,
these things get done. Hopefully it happens really soon in
(28:00):
this offseason.
Speaker 6 (28:01):
Now.
Speaker 5 (28:01):
They had a protracted issue last year with Brandon Ayuki
was very ugly and I'm sure they regret it. They're
trying not to make that happen with Purty. I can't
even understand what's.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
A hold up? Could?
Speaker 8 (28:12):
I think?
Speaker 1 (28:13):
You know, we always talk about what's the most interesting team?
Bears last year, then they weren't by Thanksgiving. I think
the Niners are really really interesting, a lot of older players.
I mean, they wanted to keep green Law and a Fungo,
they like that hurt. They wanted to keep those guys.
I mean they went and met with green Law and
like tried to talk him into staying. But he's a
Bronco now, and so they had some defense. And remember
(28:35):
Bosa gets hurt from time to time when he's out
of that defense. No green Law, no Bosa, no whu Funga.
It's not the same defense.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
What about the offensive.
Speaker 5 (28:46):
Who's stopping that Kyle Shanahan offense.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
I don't know. Plenty of teams did last year.
Speaker 5 (28:50):
Well, when no McCaffrey, no ayukh and it's overcast. Ricky
Pierson stop with the weather in Purty now Ricky Piersoll.
Entering year two, there is chatter that the Niner could
go Tyler Warren go more two tight end sets shake up.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
The offense a little bit from Shanahan, who's been stuff.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Even though we don't have a lot of superstars in
the first twelve picks, there are some players like I
mean again, if you put a pass rusher on the
other side of Bosa, you're like, oh, that's an upgrade.
I mean, there are some there are some clear upgrades.
Travis Hunter to the Patriots, it's like, oh, they got
some speed on the perimeter, Like that's a real ethifi
if he James the outroom of a close game or two.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
Rear made it sound like he's not getting by the Giants,
which and I'm just texting somebody about Shador Sanders.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
I don't know, God, I'm just getting me or on
the Dure has to be a top seven to eight pick.
Speaker 5 (29:38):
I thought he was automatically going to I just don't
see it. But you know, we've got some time to
chew on that final story. Colin a few weeks ago
we heard reports that the Vikings were interested in Aaron
Rodgers even though they have McCarthy on the roster. Kevin
O'Connell addressed those reports, saying Rogers was at a point
in his career where he was free to have a
real dialogue about his future. The Vikings head coach sure
(30:00):
to add he feels very strongly J. J.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
McCarthy is ready to go to work and make a
positive impact.
Speaker 5 (30:09):
I don't know why the Vikings keep talking about Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
It's it cannot be good for JJ McCarthy's men.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
I think a lot of it's tied to his rehab.
He had that second surgery in like November.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
I think a lot of it's tied to that.
Speaker 5 (30:21):
It's March now, buddy, it's been like, well, it's it's
maybe they're a little.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
He's got to be your guy.
Speaker 5 (30:27):
Imagine if you know I'm your guy, you like me,
You're just hyping up someone else in the media who
wants my spot.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
How would I feel?
Speaker 3 (30:34):
That's why I'm on the phone all afternoon and you know.
Speaker 5 (30:37):
You ghost me when I talked to you about the
Rockets Lakers last night.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
Interesting, Okay, I guess I got to look up it.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
I called you twice this weekend and you're at some
uh coaching.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
You know, I got some stuff going on. We'll catch
up to the whites in town. You what you want
to get together.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
My wife's in town. Yeah, yeah, she's she's in town
for a reason. I'm not going to talk about. She
got she got business to do.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Oh business, tedious business.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
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Speaker 1 (32:38):
So you know, I've said this before that occasionally you
get a fan base that I feel bad for. Is
that the owners getting older or they just they're not
progressive and they're they just kind of are out of
step with the culture. I thought as the three ball
got big in the NBA, I thought the Lakers were
(33:00):
a little late to the three ball. Some teams were,
and I've said I think Jerry Jones is becoming the
old Al Davis where they're missing on too many draft picks,
overpaying for people, real top heavy as a franchise. I
saw this quote the Steeers are getting comfortable with Mason Rudolph.
Good kid, been there before, but in his career twenty
(33:23):
eight touchdowns, twenty picks, not real mobile.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
This is a very insular franchise that did not go
out of the building when they look for a GM.
So it's the same old ideas and the same old
insular thinking. Four straight year they'll spend the most money
on defense, four straight year they will be, you know,
near the bottom of offense.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
So that's who they are.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Mike Tomlin seems to be, you know, okay with Mason Rudolph.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
If he's the guy that's.
Speaker 8 (33:53):
Why we brought him back. I'm comfortable with that man.
We've been there before. He's very capable. Mason's not a
kid many been around. He's been in multiple systems, and situations,
and so I don't expect that to be a significant hurdle.
He's a good football guy. He's a good teammate, you know,
And that's one of the you know, informal responsibilities of
the job, if you will, to connect with your teammates
(34:16):
and lead and a lot of instances and all of that.
Is is a really comfortable natural act for him.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Again, he is a substantially predictable and dependable backup in
a division with Joe Burrow and Lamar Jackson and in
a conference with Josh Allen and Mahomes and Herbert and c. J. Stroud,
and you get the point. It's just the time of
(34:43):
the year right now is the time that everybody, all
NFL fan bases are embracing Hope and the Steelers are
embracing Mason Rudolph. And this goes back to what I've
said about defensive coaches. They have no urgency on fixing
the old line or quarterbacks, so that the Steelers need
to adjust for quarterback inflation. The price has gone up
to be great at quarterback. And I've said it before,
(35:05):
even if Aaron Rodgers chooses them, I'll give them one
more win. Is I don't like the O line. I
think they have two receivers that will want the ball.
They lost their best back. And it's funny when you
think about offense in the NFL. Close your eyes and
you can think about the Niners and Rams, and you
can think about you see creative and you think Kansas City.
(35:29):
Close your eyes and you see innovation and you see Philadelphia.
Close your eyes offense and you think physicality, tush, push
run game. You close your eyes on the Steelers offense.
There's nothing there. There is absolutely nothing there, and they
don't have any identity. And so again we've said this before,
it's okay to inherit a quarterback out of their prime,
(35:53):
but they can't be a life preserver. And Aaron Rodgers
to me, feels like a water bottle with a house fire.
The offensively, there's just nothing there. There's no identity. Nause
Harris said it. There's no culture. You can bring Brady
to Bruce arians a great GM and excellent receivers, bring Gronk.
That's not a life preserver. They were a five hundred
(36:14):
team with all sorts of talent. Stafford of the Rams
was not a life preserver. But Russell to Denver was
Aaron to the Jets. That's a hail Mary, and that's
what Aaron is here like that, Hey, you can solve
our offense. We're gonna pay DK metcalf a fortune and
get forty one year old Aaron Rodgers. So that just
doesn't it just doesn't play for me. Okay, Now I
(36:38):
did Top of the Hour. I did NFL Future bets.
They're now being unveiled with different sports companies, right, and
I had three overs, three unders. I think most of
them are pretty easy. I tend to think, you know,
I tend to think the Commanders over nine and a
half wins. Rams over nine and a half. They had
(37:02):
major offensive line and wide receiver injuries in September and October.
That's not going to happen again. Patriots over seven and
a half, Titans with Cam Mood over five and a half.
That's probably my favorite bet. Titans over five and a
half is probably my favorite. I think the Chiefs under
eleven and a half, Niners under ten and a half,
Cowboys under seven and a half. Chiefs were eleven to
(37:24):
zero in one possession games. That doesn't happen. Even if
they went eight and three, they'd finished with ten or
eleven wins, and I also think the division is getting
much much better.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
J Mack challenged me, all right, let's.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
Start with the forty nine ers. So I had to
look this up.
Speaker 5 (37:40):
Kyle Shanahan, you remove his first year in San Franz, right,
he just got there. Then they got Garoppolo mid season.
The only seasons they haven't won ten or more games.
Garoppolo got hurt in twenty eighteen, twenty twenty, they had
injuries after the Super Bowl, and then last year where
they had injuries to McCaffrey a yugan like everybody every
other year where people have been healthy thirteen and three,
(38:02):
ten and seven, thirteen and four.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
That argument, Remember you said, well if you take out
the first year, Well McVeigh won first year in LA,
so let's not do that.
Speaker 5 (38:11):
Well he got he inherited a first round number one
overall pick a quarterback.
Speaker 4 (38:14):
The Niners were a dumpster fire when Shanahan got them.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
All right, Well, the Rams were a dumpster fire with
Jeff Fisher, so let's not take out the first year.
What you're telling me is every other year he has
a losing record.
Speaker 5 (38:24):
No, No, he's got I mean the injuries to quarterbacks matter.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
Jimmy Garuffolo goes.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Down like has already been hurt twice, and their old
lines not good.
Speaker 5 (38:33):
Well last year the injuries were everywhere. But I'm just
telling you you're old. Old teams get.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
Hurt a lot.
Speaker 5 (38:38):
The numbers ten and a half, I would I would
be reluctant to go under you.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
You know who didn't get hurt last year?
Speaker 1 (38:44):
The Rams, young defense, young units don't and when they
get hurt, they rebound.
Speaker 4 (38:50):
And what night Yuke is young? Christian McCaffrey's young.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
Trent Williams isn't Menaffrey, isn't Kittle. Isn't they have another
offensive lineman? They're not, They're not young.
Speaker 4 (39:00):
I would struggle.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Also, they have twelve draft picks, even if they hit
on eight.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
That is a lot of young players.
Speaker 5 (39:09):
I do want to see the schedule, but remember no
first play schedule this year.
Speaker 4 (39:12):
It's gonna be okay.
Speaker 5 (39:13):
I would agree with the Chiefs under I think they could.
They could be like a nine win team. I know
people don't.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
I don't disagree, and I'm not.
Speaker 4 (39:20):
Overreacting to Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (39:21):
I would agree with you on the Cowboys, agree on the.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
Commanders and Rams. Why is the.
Speaker 5 (39:26):
Commander's only nine and a half they got they seemingly
got better.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
Well, the Giants could be worse and Dallas will be.
So that doesn't make a ton of sense.
Speaker 5 (39:34):
We're missing something there. Ram seems about right. I think
he's just still too bullish on the Patriots. They're just
throwing guy.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
They were three and six and one score games and
they were really bad coaching. So if you have a
major coaching upgrade and two hundred million, and my guess
is they have enough draft picks, they'll find three or
four decent plays.
Speaker 4 (39:54):
I think Vrabels were like four wins right out of
the game.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
Well, no, it's funny you say that. So what do
I think Vrabel's worth? I think girawed mayout of Rabel.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
Let's just talk. It is a three point swing, would
I don't disagree? Okay?
Speaker 1 (40:05):
I think Drake May Rookie of the Year two is
about a one to one and a half point swing.
Speaker 4 (40:10):
Okay, So there's two hundred.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
Million in free agency in a draft class again, feels
like a one to a one and a half point swing. Well,
all of a sudden you look up, that's six points,
three and six and one score games. Does that go
to seven and two in one score games? If Rabel's
worth just a field, He's not replacing Sean Payton. Rabel
is replacing somebody who appeared to be a bit over
(40:33):
skis is Drake may first year to second worth another
possession to to a game?
Speaker 3 (40:40):
Moving the change?
Speaker 1 (40:41):
And I think if you spend two hundred million dollars
in get nine draft picks, that's worth a point to
a point and a half. Oay, So I think I'm looking.
I think they they'll be six. Let's say they're just
six points better a game. Well, the three and six
becomes six and three and one score games.
Speaker 4 (40:55):
Now, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (40:56):
I think the staff can pull up the NFC West,
but I did write down it's here, the Arizona Cardinals
are eight and a half.
Speaker 4 (41:03):
Did that jump out at us?
Speaker 5 (41:04):
Maybe I need to consider them because Cowboys seven and
a half rams nine and a half.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
I think people. I think people like Arizona's coaching staff really. Now,
I'll tell you this. The Commanders, it should be noted,
face the AFC West and the NFC Nord.
Speaker 4 (41:24):
R US is stacked.
Speaker 3 (41:25):
Well so is the NFC Nord.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
So if you're wondering why the Commanders are at nine
and a half and not ten to ten and a half.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
It's it's a schedule.
Speaker 5 (41:33):
So yeah, guys don't want to go over on any
NFC East teams because that is those are the two
toughest divisions.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
You gotta face.
Speaker 4 (41:38):
Cowboys unders.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
The smart My favorite bet here is is and it's
a little unknown, but I think Titans over and Chiefs under.
Speaker 4 (41:48):
Lover Cowboys unders.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
Really, Chiefs are not going twelve and five.
Speaker 4 (41:51):
No, I mean you.
Speaker 5 (41:53):
Looked old and slow in the Super Bowl. Now it's
just one game. But the offensive line have they gotten
better this off season?
Speaker 3 (41:58):
It's worse?
Speaker 4 (41:59):
So what are people doing?
Speaker 5 (42:01):
Maybe the Rashi Rice is worth a win a wide receiver,
I don't.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
The Raiders went toe to toe with the Chiefs twice
and and we're bad at quarterback like.
Speaker 5 (42:13):
And bad at coache well and not great her all right? Uh?
Speaker 1 (42:17):
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