Hour 2 - Nick faces the music

Colin talks to Nick Wright from First Things First about Patrick Mahomes playing poorly for the 2nd time in the Super Bowl

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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Welcome in to our number two. Great to have you
here live in Los Angeles.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
It's the Herd.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
Wherever you may be and however you may be listening.
Thanks for making us part of your day. Nick Wright's
going to be joining us. He's a trooper. He's going
to be joining us here in a couple of minutes.
And I thought I would start j Mac. You'll get
a kick out of this. Connor or Sports Illustrate excellent
Young a journalist only deals in facts.

Speaker 3 (00:55):
Acknowledges.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
He believes that the Chiefs in twenty twenty five will
miss the Super Bowl each of the next two seasons,
and he talks about how the Patriots had several gaps
in Super Bowls. He said, it's not anti Andy Reider,
Patrick Mahomes. Great players get old fast, and role players
are hard to keep around. And the draft, even by

(01:18):
the best GMS, is like a sixty to forty, fifty
to fifty proposition. After the first couple of rounds, you're
rolling the dice on draft picks.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
And so again, this is an.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
Excellent journalist that only deals in facts. Connor Or saying that, so,
I there are things that I think you have to
be honest about. Let's not do like recency bias. But
mahomes number one weapon the last three years have been
Travis Kelcey kind of looks cooked. He's thirty six years old.
In the last couple of games, not really yet. So

(01:48):
you know, the classic sports muscle car can't be your
primary car.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
Like it's time.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
Number two is in a very mediocre draft. They're gonna
get They need a tackle, and they'll probably get the
fifth to six best tackle because that position so valuable,
and unless they compromise and sacrifice draft picks, they're not
getting one of the better left tackles. They also need
to tight end, and the two best ones will be taken.
The other thing is the division. We got to be honest, now,
Pete Carroll, Jim Harbaugh. We saw what Harbaugh did in

(02:15):
one year. We saw Bo Nicks as a rookie Sean Payton,
I'm sorry, it matters. That's the best coaching division in football.
That's not even arguable. That is the best coaching division
in football. The other thing is we saw Jim Harbaugh
do this at San Francisco, at Michigan and with the
Chargers in one year, he turned him around. This year
they have sixty five million in cap space. The Chargers

(02:39):
got to the playoffs with a rookie slot receiver as
a really elite weapon.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
That was it.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
So they got a lot of cap space. And what
the Chargers need is a defensive tackle and running backs.
And the two positions in the draft that are absolutely
stacked are defensive tackle and running back. And because of
their draft as they'll get the first or second best
tight end in the draft, which they need. And here's
the other thing, and we got to be honest about this.

(03:07):
Mahomes next year is going to be a twenty four
percent cap hit. Twenty four percent of Kansas City's cap
is going to be Mahomes. He's going to be making
sixty six large. Tom Brady was never over fourteen. It matters,
It matters. I know the CAP's going up, but it matters.
Tom Brady, on average was a ten to twelve percent
cap hit. That's why those Patriot teams never had units

(03:31):
that were bad. They were never terrible anywhere. In the
two blowout losses to Kansas City and the Super Bowl,
they're bad at left tackle, They're just bad. The Patriots
were never awful anywhere, didn't matter kicker, punter, quarterback, left tack,
all the key positions, they were at least B plus,
and a lot of that was Brady sacrificed. Tom talked
about this last week. It is damn hard to win

(03:53):
these Super Bowls.

Speaker 4 (03:55):
What I realized early in my career about Super Bowls was, man,
my first year, like, what's the big deal is? It's
like I went to college, we played Norge Bowl, I won.
We went to the Citrus Bowl, we won. Okay, now
I'm in the Super Bowl. We won? All right, what's
the big We didn't have a great seat in two
thousand and two. We won in two thousand and three,
what's the big deal? We won in two thousand and four,
what's the big deal?

Speaker 5 (04:14):
Right?

Speaker 4 (04:15):
Then you go to two thousand and seven and you lose,
and then you go to twenty eleven and you get
to the Super Bowl. They're having a great team in
twenty ten and we lose, and it was just like, wow,
this is way harder.

Speaker 6 (04:31):
We went ten years between winning.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
Yeah, it's really hard, very very difficult. They were in
good health, and then the ticker went not to mention
how long's Andy Reid gonna coach? I know this is somber, solemn.

(04:58):
Nick Wright is now joining US lives.

Speaker 5 (05:08):
That's probably your best comedy bit in years. And you
know what is a staple of the best of the
best comedians what they incorporate some of their old classics
into their new material. So you had a lot of
new stuff there. But then you went back to one
of the classic cowardisms, which is next year is the

(05:33):
year Justin Herbert breaks through. I mean that, I mean
set your watch to it. And by the way, I
do think you had the Chiefs because they're drafting thirty
two or thirty one, pardon me, unable to draft anyone
of need. And I think you had the Chargers because
they're drafting twenty one getting the best running back, d tackle,
and tight end in the draft. It is unbelievable. The Chargers,

(05:57):
to their credit, who you know, did have to go
through the season with a rookie wide receiver as their
number one option. Can you imagine making the Super Bowl
in back to back years with a rookie wide receiver
being your number one option? I can't probably never be done. No,
I mean, listen, listen.

Speaker 4 (06:15):
It is.

Speaker 5 (06:17):
The Chiefs and me deserve a lot of criticism for
the performance on Sunday. Spinning that forward into this team
being cooked? Is I think a bridge too far even
for you, like I don't. Maybe you've been hanging out
with Jmack too off and off the air and he's

(06:39):
been spitting that poison in your ear. But they still
go into next season the overwhelming favorites in the AFC West,
and they go into next season better positioned than any
other team in the AFC. Now, it's hard to get
to a super Bowl every single year. I get that,
But I think you're right. The obituary a tad too soon,

(07:02):
my friend.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
Okay, the one thing I did I did say is that,
And I mean, you've never denied that Brady's great. That's
that's one of the great things you've always said. The
guy's ridiculous. I mean, it's literally the second part of
his career, he was arguably better than Elway's entire career.

Speaker 7 (07:17):
Right.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
But the one thing I'll say about Tom, and having
lived in Connecticut during his reign, is that we used
to always talk about this, if he had the second
best poker hand, he could still win the hand. He
didn't have to have pocket aces. And now now in fairness,
last year, I didn't. I think the last couple of
years the Chiefs didn't have a loaded roster, but I

(07:41):
would say that in the Super Bowl losses, let's just
talk about this one.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
I didn't feel. I felt like I was.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
Watching the same play over and over, and I didn't
feel Mahomes adjusted a lot. Maybe that's Andy Reid, but
it did. I watched it and I thought, God, Tom
would have just moved the chain short. He kept sitting
in the pocket the same play. I thought Patrick really
played terribly.

Speaker 5 (08:08):
Listen, I think it was one of the worst games
of Patrick's career. But we're not This again is where
I just have to be the arbiter of fairness, Okay,
or if one wants to argue that. And again, Brady
is the most accomplished player ever the goat at this
position and of the sport. And because of this loss,

(08:30):
it's going to take Patrick an immense amount of time
to have a chance to catch him, because this was
the opportunity to do something Tom never did. That is
all true. Here's what is also true. We are now
revisionist historing how Tom Brady's playoff defeat when going for
a three peat went. It was not in the super Bowl,

(08:54):
with the decisive play being a pick six. It was
in the divisional round to Jake Plummer, with the decisive
play being a pick six. And I know that the
Michael Jordan propaganda machine has convinced people that losing in
round one or round two is actually better than winning

(09:14):
those rounds and then losing in the championship round. But that,
of course is ludicrous. And so the idea you're right
that Tom never had this pore of a performance in
a super Bowl, that is unquestioned. But Tom had, as
every quarterback ever had brutal performances that prevented his team

(09:37):
from getting two super bowls. Patrick's never had that. And
so we can go tit for Tad on these things.
And I had to listen yesterday to Joe Montana four
and zero in super Bowls, and that is true. It
is also true that in the dead middle of his
prime eighty five, eighty six, eighty seven. Those three years,

(09:58):
Joe Montana in three consecutive playoff games, had three consecutive
Round one or first game defeats, and had zero touchdowns
over a three year span. Cumulatively in the playoffs three
straight blowofs, including a forty nine to three, But because
they happened in round one, they don't count. I don't

(10:19):
buy into that. I never have Patrick played very poorly.
Yesterday he now joins the list of every single quarterback
in NFL history, of which he wasn't previously on where
he played his worst game of the year in the
biggest spot of the year. But I think we are
writing the obituary as you literally are a tad too soon.

Speaker 3 (10:42):
Yeah, well, I think there.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
I do have Kansas City being a wild card team
next year, so I think they're still.

Speaker 5 (10:49):
So you had him this year. I think that's what
you had him last year. This year, you have him
in the wild card every year. Every year is going
to be the Chargers year. And did you say Pete Carroll?
I like Pete Carroll too. Does that team have a
quarterback yet? I'm just kidding, like literally on the roster
do they have a quarterback? Is it Aid and O'Connell.
I don't think that. I don't think Pete Carroll's gonna

(11:09):
move the chains with Aid and O'Connell. That's just me,
it is.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
I said this yesterday about the Eagles, though.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
If Saquon Barkley got hurt next year, cross your fingers
and they lose two free agents and it's more of
a Jalen Hurts offense, they wouldn't look the same there.
I mean, listen, this is a sport with regulated level
of violence. I think the Chiefs will rebuild. They'll be fine.
They need to left tackle, they need a running back.
You know, they just have to hit some draft picks.
They're prone to do that. I do think the Andy

(11:36):
Reid thing is real, is that I could see Andy
with two more great runs and just say, listen, man,
I got four or five of these things, I'm out.
And then, as you know, even the great organizations miss
on head coaches fifty percent.

Speaker 3 (11:52):
Of the time.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
Is there part of you that wonders the Andy thing
is what worries you more than players?

Speaker 5 (12:01):
Oh listen, I mean and I one thousand percent and
Patrick leading up to the game, when he was asked,
you know, basically, how long can this keep up? His
answer was, as long as Andy's still here the whole team,
you know what I mean. It gives him the respect
and credit he deserves. Here is the reason I am

(12:23):
not incredibly concerned about that. First of all, in the
short term, we know he's coming back at least next year,
and I would imagine, as you're saying he's coming back
for two or three more years, he is just about
to start a five year, one hundred million dollar contract.
So even if he doesn't finish that, you have this time.

(12:44):
The other reason that I am less concerned is if
he were to signal that he was going into what
would be the last year of his career, this immediately
becomes the most coveted coaching job in modern NFL history.

(13:05):
Like it would, it be the most coveted job since
the Bucks. I'm sorry the Colts fire Jim Mora. The
answer to that's probably right, But even in that moment,
Peyton obviously had not accomplished ten percent of what Patrick
already has, and so I do think they will be fine.

(13:26):
I also would not act as if losing the guy
who I believe to be one of the three greatest
coaches in the history of the sport and the greatest
offensive mine in the history of the sport. You know
what wouldn't be a significant, significant loss, but that is
much further down the road than you know this or

(13:47):
next season, at least.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
I believe lost a little bit lost in Luca going
to the Lakers. Is how insane Lebron has played this year.
It looks like you're thirteen. It's unbelieved, it's it's incredible,
and it very much is Brady in Tampa where you're like,
is he still a top four quarterback when he was
forty four? Like? Right, I mean he left and the

(14:10):
next year you're like, I think he's still top four
or five?

Speaker 3 (14:15):
What do you make we know?

Speaker 1 (14:17):
I'll get to Luke in a second. How do you
explain Lebron he's better than last year?

Speaker 3 (14:23):
What is it?

Speaker 8 (14:24):
So?

Speaker 5 (14:25):
I mean, listen, I think there is a natural benefit
to truly and I think this is being proven out
in real time literally being the greatest athlete and I
just mean raw athleticism, maybe in world history, Like you
can say, oh, you found a way to be hyperbolic,

(14:47):
Like I don't know who he's competing with on that Yeah,
as far as heightweight, speed, longevity, durability, all of it
over twenty five year stretch. Like I honestly, he don't
know who was the corner. Gosh, darn it, I shouldn't
ask it. There was a corner that he played for Washington.
He played for like Daryl.

Speaker 3 (15:07):
Green Green, like Daryl Green.

Speaker 5 (15:09):
I was like, I don't know, like as he was
on that same list, I don't know, but regardless. So
the reason I bring that up is Lebron is right
now seventy five percent of the athlete he was ten
years ago, but seventy five percent of prime Lebron is
still more athletic than ninety five percent of the rest

(15:32):
of the league. So because of that, he's been able
to stave off the aging curve a bit. You then
add to it, he's a better shooter. Yeah, these last
two years than any point of his career. The IQ
is still you know, obviously not going anywhere. And what
I think we've seen the last couple of weeks is
the power of hope and the power of belief. You

(15:55):
saw in the Olympics Colin Lebron was like, all right,
these might be the last really consequential games of my
basketball life. And you saw him on the global stage
be the best player in the entire tournament, night in.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
Night outs, good point.

Speaker 5 (16:13):
And then you saw this year when it's like, wait
a minute, we're actually a little bit better than I expected.
JJ's doing a great job. If I'm able to carry
us when Anthony Davis is out, maybe that gets the
team to make one of these around the fringes deadline
moves we want them to make, and maybe we can

(16:33):
steal a finals appearance. And then instead of that, they
trade for a top three player in the world. And
now I think Lebron is like, oh my god, I
can win a championship like me. And if Luca can
take Kyrie and role players to the championship, can take
their championship round, can take a young Jalen Brunson and

(16:55):
role players to the conference finals. What if I all
all of a sudden, can actually hand the offense off
to someone else, actually not see the team go to
die when I go to the bench, actually be rested
going into the playoffs, And what the Lakers are going
to have problems defensively and the lack of the you

(17:18):
know they traded for Mark Williams for a reason they
got rescinded. But you have the highest IQ duo in
league history now on the on a team we've never
had two players uh with this passing ability plus IQ
playing together so offensively. It's going to be a top
three team and I think Lebron knows what that means for.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
For the record, does Jimmy Butler do anything for the Warriors?
I mean, I think it makes them much more interesting.

Speaker 5 (17:48):
I thought the NBA missed the play in.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
Yeah, I think the NBA had a great week, the
Luca thing, the Butler thing, dearon Fox to winby I
thought the league had a great week. Does Butler do
anything for that team? Still playing teamdu I.

Speaker 5 (18:00):
Mean well, I mean I think that without him they
were going to risk at risk of missing the play
in right, and the Warriors have been in the play
in and lost previously. I think without him they were
going to be at certainly not only at risk, but
probably a favorite to miss the actual eight team postseason.

(18:23):
Now I fully expect them to be in the playoffs.
I don't know that. I think I think their ceiling
is round is a Round one victory. I do think that.
I just I think that Steph is still really good,
but night Tonight now. Steph also, by the way, has

(18:45):
been playing his best basketball as of late, maybe invigorated
by the trade as well. They the only chance they
have of making any real noise is if the way
Steph has played the last couple of weeks, if he
can keep that up. I also think that Jimmy, you know,
Jimmy is not night Tonight that reliable when it comes

(19:05):
to an injury risk. So they are an very old
injury concerned team. But I am a fervent believer that
if you happen to have one of the ten to
twelve greatest players in the history of the league still
playing at a high level, you have an obligation to
go all in every year. It is irresponsible to worry

(19:29):
about the future.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
You are.

Speaker 5 (19:31):
Your only obligation is to write now. So I think
the Warriors did right by Steph here, even if it's
not a real needle mover when it comes to winning
a championship.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
So maybe we were a little premature on the headstone.
I will say, however, is if they don't hit on
some of these draft picks, drafting thirty first it's a
little scary.

Speaker 5 (19:54):
Drafting thirty first. That's the best position we've been in
three years. You usually stuck the thirty two hole. Think
about it. And by the way, keep in mind they
all the Chiefs also have They have the thirty first pick,
the sixty third pick, and then like the sixty sixth
pick because they got that from Tennessee and Tennessee finished

(20:15):
with one of the worst rugors in football. So we're
loaded to bear headed into the draft. Tell you that
right now, maybe we trade for Micah Parsons. Who knows,
I Colin, I'll leave you on this. The Chiefs, we
all know, since Patrick's been there seven years, they have
a two game one or two game season. It starts
in the conference championship round. Two years they've gone oh

(20:36):
to one. Both years they made massive changes. One year
after going oh to one, they fired the de coordinator,
brought in Spags. One year after going on one, they
traded Tyreek Hill. Three years they've gone to and oh,
we know what you do after that, You hold a parade.
They've now twice gone one and one. The first time
they did it, they remade the offensive line. I'm very

(21:00):
curious what they do the second time, because one in
one doesn't cut it in Kansas City. It's a five
hundred season. It's really embarrassing. So like, I don't I
don't blame you for poking fun, but they will make
a major adjustment. I don't know what it'll be, but
it's not gonna be quiet this offseason in Kansas City.
I promise you that.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
Right, Nick Wright, First things first, he's bruising, a bit battered,
but still shows up.

Speaker 5 (21:25):
You know what, look if the sports gods, I must
have been a great person in a previous life because
the fact that the day after my lowest moment of
my adult life as a football fan, I get to
watch my large adult Slovenian son Luka Ancic team up
with Lebron James. It's not in a fever dream. I mean,

(21:46):
I'm right back, baby, I am so back.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
And it was fun to watch last night at the Stafles.
Good seeing you, Nick Wright. Rachel Nichols will stop by
on the Lakers stuf.

Speaker 3 (21:56):
It was fun. Crypto Arena, my bad crypto. I'm sorry.
I'm not a bitcoin bro. I don't keep up.

Speaker 7 (22:04):
Yeah, it seems to be doing well. Feel a little
delusion still there about how quickly they can remake the
offensive line. Sounds like they're going to lose a guard
and they need to replace two other positions in the line.
I don't think that's a one off season job.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
I'm closer to Connor or I think and again, I
think Buffalo gave him a hell of a fight in Arrowheadyay.

Speaker 7 (22:25):
If you're Buffalo, don't you go all in Miles Garrett. Now,
whoever we can get, just go all in.

Speaker 6 (22:29):
You're close.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
There's two teams in the league that have to go
all in on Miles Garrett, Buffalo and Green Bay. Buffalo
can't stop Kansas City. I've watched four times they've met
in the playoffs. Kansas City gives you thirty five plus.
That's with Sean McDermott. Go get Miles Garrett. It's not players. Generally,
you got to overpay a little bit to go to
Buffalo green Bay right, not hot free agent markets.

Speaker 3 (22:49):
Go buy Miles Garrett.

Speaker 6 (22:50):
We've now seen the blueprint to take down the Chiefs.

Speaker 7 (22:52):
Just get your pass rush to get after Mahomes and
wear him down and rattle him and cut.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
So it's been on the back. There's a lot of
good offensive tackles in this class. There's no great ones.
Joe Alt the Chargers is a higher graded tackle than
anybody in this class. And Alt struggled at times this year.
Later in the year he could he struggled in protection
against Houston, remember that game against Houston.

Speaker 7 (23:16):
Well, it's a good defensive lineman draft as well. So
there's a world where Ravens Bills just take a couple
of bites at the apple and go after Miles Garrett.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
If I'm Buffalo, I signed Miles Garrett and I draft
their offense is fine, go get fix the defense, trade
for Miles Garrett, and then draft more defensive It's a
great running back and defensive tackle draft. And I mean
Matt Miller's a guy that that covers the draft.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
He's excellent.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
Daniel Jeremiah does the same. Those those guys. I mean,
people are saying there's like twenty some draftable defensive tackles,
like like I forget the number, but it's like it's something.

Speaker 3 (23:57):
So there's there's a way winter boint. Have you seen
have you seen some of the winter?

Speaker 6 (24:05):
I heard it's gonna rain here in LA this weekend.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
No, Wednesday and Thursday stinks it and now it's gonna
be done by Friday early in the morning, but Wednesday
and Thursday it is.

Speaker 6 (24:14):
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Speaker 3 (24:17):
Whatever it's called Pineapple Express or I don't know whatever.

Speaker 6 (24:21):
That's a decent movie.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
I'm not an epidemiologist or a meteorologist or a UFO ologist.

Speaker 3 (24:28):
I'm not one more.

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Speaker 1 (24:48):
So many things going on, you know it's Jay McK
and I were talking over the weekend when we were
in New Orleans. J McK and I the guy got sick,
rallied excellent work by you. Danny Parkins got all sick too,
So it cross our fingers and everybody. Everybody's kind of
getting healthy. Maybe it was bad oysters, I don't know
what it was, but it was a lot of people
on the staff were sick. But we were talking about

(25:08):
Luca to Lebron and Jimmy Butler, the Warriors. It was
a really good week. I mean, listen, when shoe Otani
went to the Dodgers, it's like, oh, that's a good
that's a good week for Major League Baseball. And by
the way, you know, the matt signed a couple of players.
It's like, oh, that's a good week for baseball. I
thought the NBA had a really nice week. And now
j Mack with the news.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
No news, this is the herd Line news.

Speaker 6 (25:31):
All right, let's start with some weirdness.

Speaker 7 (25:33):
Colin So that Lakers trade for Mark Williams that was, uh,
you know, called off basically due to a failed physical. Well,
the Hornets are talking to the NBA and exploring options disputing.

Speaker 6 (25:45):
The Lakers failed physical.

Speaker 7 (25:48):
They're essentially saying, listen, Mark Williams should have passed his physical.

Speaker 6 (25:52):
Why didn't he? What are the Lakers pulling out of this?

Speaker 5 (25:55):
Now?

Speaker 7 (25:55):
Remember there was that topic yesterday that you talked about
Lebron's camp unhappy.

Speaker 6 (25:59):
That's a Layers acquiesced instantly and said, Luca, what do
you want? I want this guy? Okay? And is this
the Lakers saying yeah, second thought, we don't want him.
What's going on? Here CoV very weird.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
It's I asked the team this morning, is there a
history of a trade being made, then being canceled, and
then being okayed? Is this the Lakers playing games like
Dalton connect That was so funny last night. It's like
Port Dalton Connects, like you ship me out, now I
come back. I think the Lakers are a very good
offensive team. And we've talked about this is if Austin

(26:29):
Reeves is your number three score Okay, it's a different ballgame.
That is a different ballgame. In fact, they'll be Knights,
you know. I mean, I think the Lakers can't. If
I was the Lakers, I don't care about upsets Lebron.
I need a big They have nobody that can defend
the rim.

Speaker 7 (26:46):
Jaxson Hayes had a couple of moments last night, but
it's he's more of.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
An alley up offensive run the floor.

Speaker 7 (26:51):
Well, I just got to ask Anthony Davis could not
stop Yokis Last year in the series, Rudy Gobert could
not stop Jokis.

Speaker 6 (26:57):
His numbers were crazy.

Speaker 7 (26:58):
Nobody stopping Yoki? So does it really matter that it's
gonna go gets interesting? Because the Lakers, it's not small ball.
Lebron's big, Lucas a big guard. Jackson Hayes' side.

Speaker 6 (27:08):
Sweeps a six to seven, Like they're smallest starter.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
No, Ruey Hachamora's long. They're not a tiny team. But
they're not. I mean I watched last night. They're not
a good rebounding team. And generally speaking, if the Lakers
play an opponent seven times in two weeks, it's different.
You come into La, they're playing well, they've got good energy.
It's a whole different ballgame of I can dissect you

(27:32):
and just pound the ball down low. And so I
think you know there are teams and one of these
teams we always know there are teams built for the
regular season. Oklahoma City, Yeah, Like, I'm not sure they're
a postseason team yet. I think the Lakers, if they
don't get a big people are going to attack that

(27:52):
and they're just like, what is what is yok gonna
do against the Lakers If they don't get a rim protector?

Speaker 3 (27:57):
Score forty five?

Speaker 7 (27:59):
Probably can they contained Jamal Murray because remember they lost
last year. Wasn't it to two late Jamal Murray shots
like at the buzzer in that series? Like they were close.
It was a close series. I know they lost for one,
but I know it sounds crazy. I think the Lakers
are NBA Finals material. I don't think they can beat
the Celtics as currently constructed, but I do think they
can get to the finals.

Speaker 6 (28:20):
Sorry to the seven Oklahoma City face.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
I just don't know if they can defend Oklahoma City.
Those are high scoring games. I mean, whoever gave them
last year? Who gets the whistle?

Speaker 6 (28:30):
Free throw? Merchant SGA Merchant Luca? Okay?

Speaker 7 (28:35):
All right, next up our own Jake Glazer here a
Fox Sports reported that new Jets coach Aaron Glenn is
going to move on from Aaron Rodgers. New York would
observe a forty nine million dollars dead cap hit by
moving on from Rodgers. Linebacker CJ. Moseley said, Rodgers has
nothing to be ashamed of.

Speaker 9 (28:53):
We try to do something special. No, Andrews so far
in that took away a lot of time. But no,
he did do some some great things this year. Get
his five hundred touchdown. He was a leader no matter
what when he came into too the locker room where
he was with us, though, you know when he was
with us this year, you know nothing but respect for him. Know,
to come back from Achilles forty plus years. Oh, I know,

(29:16):
you know the one as the losses can get in
away a lot of things that you can accomplish. But
there's no reason for him to know leave New York
with his head out because I know he gave us
as all.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
Well, it's not all his faults, certainly. I thought Aaron
played very well last year. At the end of the year,
I thought they were going to bring him back. But
I do think we've.

Speaker 6 (29:32):
Had He started playing well when they were like ten eight.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
Yeah, I mean, I just I don't want to dump him.
I thought Aaron played much better in the second half
of the season. But I do think what is true,
and this is undeniable. It's both the Packers and the
Jets dumped him. Now there's a story out that there
were some provisions the Jets put out there.

Speaker 7 (29:51):
So Diana Roussini literally just talked about this five minutes ago.
So when Aaron Glenn and Aaron Rodgers met, Aaron Glenn
like laid down the law.

Speaker 6 (30:00):
You must be at training camp right, none of this.

Speaker 7 (30:02):
I'm going to Egypt and you're not allowed to go
on a weekly show. Where Aaron Rodgers has paid like
a million dollars to talk to a former NFL punter
and stir up nonsense every week, talking about epidemiology and
Fouci and just nonsense every week.

Speaker 6 (30:16):
And Aaron Glenn said no more of that.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
And I know, now do we know if Aaron pushedback
or Aaron was okay?

Speaker 7 (30:23):
Rassini just basically said Aaron Rodgers was like okay, and
it's not gonna work out.

Speaker 6 (30:28):
So I guess Rogers walked away like I don't want
these I don't want to be held down by anybody.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
You know.

Speaker 1 (30:33):
I'll tell you what I was told by a source Sunday,
and this is not Diana Russini source. But I was
told Aaron Glenn had made a decision he didn't want
the player or the person Aaron in there is that
there was just too much noise in drama. Now I'm
not in that facility, and I don't know that to
be true. I don't think of going on a weekly
radio show matters or TV show.

Speaker 3 (30:54):
I don't think that matters. In the end. I don't
think he's.

Speaker 7 (30:56):
We don't know, we don't know what the locker room
was like Colin, like again, he's nonsense every week. Well,
he's like taking shots at people and acting like an
all knowing oracle, and it's all over social media, so
like you can't help put it get in the locker room.

Speaker 6 (31:09):
Imagine if you were doing radio hits.

Speaker 7 (31:11):
And saying all this wacky stuff and I got to
come and talk to you, It's like, what are you doing?

Speaker 1 (31:16):
Well?

Speaker 3 (31:16):
I think the bigger issue is.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
I think, and I've been told this before by people
I trust that wouldn't lie to me, that had been
teammates of Aaron. He's moody and you don't know quite
what you're getting with Aaron. And I think that was
fine when he was arguably the best talent in the sport.
But this is the way it works and everything. As
your talent decreases, people will deal with less of your crap.
And green Bay got to the point where they were
like green Bay looked at that year. I mean green

(31:42):
Bay went and looked at the year they got rid
of him. Aaron didn't win a great quarterback. Go back
to that last year in green Bay. If Aaron would
have been MVP Aaron, they'd have put up with this crap.
Outside of that darkness retreat that had brought him back,
but Aaron wasn't anymore. So again, if he was as
good as Jalen Hurts was Sunday, if you were getting
somebody that was in the prime of your career, Joe Burrow,

(32:02):
then you just deal with it.

Speaker 3 (32:03):
And that's not That's.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
Could be a law office, it could be a football team,
it could be a band. The greater your talent, the
more you'll allow to be dramatic, and you know, sometimes irritated.

Speaker 7 (32:15):
You see the odds on the screen for the next
Rogers destinationsburg is not give me a break.

Speaker 6 (32:21):
I had Raiders two weeks ago on headlines. I'll stick
with that for now.

Speaker 7 (32:26):
But it's weird all of a sudden, you know Rogers
is out there, Russell Wilson's going to be out there,
Kirk Cousins, Sam Darnold, like there's a justin Fields. There's
a bunch of guys out there. A I don't know
where the Jets go. I don't know what the Jets
do A quarterback. I have no idea and be I
don't Is anybody gonna want to put up with Rogers?
Is there a world where the entire NFL like they

(32:48):
shun Belichick. Do they say, don't.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
One advantage New York has. First of all, they've been
bad for years. The Fandrew used to it is just
not having a quarterback and getting a top three pick
next year.

Speaker 6 (33:00):
We look at arch Manning next year.

Speaker 1 (33:01):
Yeah, I mean, I mean, I don't think it's a
terrible idea of just saying, listen, well, not necessarily tank,
but we'll go get We'll go get a Kirk Cousins
for a year or something. We're not gonna get capped
out on anything. We're gonna be We're gonna build the
roster this year. We're gonna build the And I'll say
this again, be very aware of Riley Leonard in the

(33:22):
third round or Kyle McCord in the third round. I
would not be shocked if a quarterback in the second
or third round that landed with a better roster ends
up being the best quarterback in this draft. I listen,
Jalen Hurts fell to the second round. Kind of beneficial,
isn't it. He got Howie Roseman as a GM.

Speaker 7 (33:42):
I mean, Jalen Hurts is a superstar in college, you know,
like Riley Leonard.

Speaker 6 (33:46):
I mean, what's he going for one? Hundred and ten
yards of game. Oh you are just I mean.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
You know, by the way, when he goes to the
NFL and crushes he might I'm gonna do that. I'm
gonna put that in Colin Wright a month and a
half in a row. I've been on Riley Leonard for
two years now.

Speaker 6 (34:03):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know you love him. The final
story is uh.

Speaker 7 (34:06):
Last week on Breakfast Ball here on FS one, Joe
Burrow said he'd be happy to restructure his contract if
it meant he'd be able to keep all his weapons well.
Over the weekend, t Higgins, one of those weapons, spoke out.
He's gonna become a free agent and he doesn't know
if Cincinnati's going to offer him a real.

Speaker 6 (34:22):
Contract, said Higgins.

Speaker 7 (34:24):
We want to build something in Cincy, but it's not
in my hands. If I go to another team, then
that's what happens.

Speaker 6 (34:29):
Sounds a little like he's resigned to not returning to Cincinnati.

Speaker 3 (34:33):
That's embarrassing.

Speaker 1 (34:34):
Go look at Philadelphia's roster and look at the fact
they can't pay a second receiver.

Speaker 3 (34:41):
Who else are you paying?

Speaker 7 (34:42):
Well, Burrow's making more than way more than hers right
every year, and the draft.

Speaker 6 (34:47):
Pick Cincinnati's hit. They just haven't been good.

Speaker 7 (34:50):
They're not nailing their young kids the way that the Eagles.
Cooper Dejen superstar. I mean he picked six of the
super Mitchell Mitchell outstanding. Zach Bond was a agent like
sa One Barkley for Air Everything Cincinnati.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
If I'm T Higgins as much as I love Joe Burrow,
if I'm T Higgins and I can go to Harbaugh,
Herbert Harbaugh, you have.

Speaker 7 (35:14):
Patriots, would you chase money with the Patriots over go
to the state.

Speaker 3 (35:17):
I think he's really good.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
Yeah, I think I would have no problem going on
you're not going to the playoffs. I would have no
problem going to New England. If I was New England,
I would go after T Higgins.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
You got three years. You're not paying Drake May for
another three four years.

Speaker 6 (35:28):
You want to live in Boston?

Speaker 7 (35:29):
Who Boston's beautiful for La with Charger Stutt Not everybody
wants to live in Los Angeles, believe it.

Speaker 5 (35:35):
You're sure.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
Yeah, a lot of people like living in Boston.

Speaker 6 (35:38):
You like it out here?

Speaker 3 (35:39):
It's okay.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
I like Boston too, your little world. If you don't
have a beat, you can't live there.

Speaker 6 (35:45):
Once you taste it. It's like, oh, oh, this is nice.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
We've got the Patriots hundred and twenty million in cap space.

Speaker 7 (35:52):
Yeah, they're gonna go after What about Raiders? Then they
don't have a quarterback. Commanders is spicy.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
They've already got a star receiver.

Speaker 6 (36:00):
You let me get you. I'll take two.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
I think New England's a great place for him.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
Chicago doesn't need it. I mean to me, it's obvio,
New England's the place.

Speaker 5 (36:12):
Or the Chargers.

Speaker 6 (36:14):
I think Chargers. Yeah, Chargers is a good one.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
J mckle the news.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
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Speaker 1 (36:23):
Taking shots at Chicago, taking shots at Boston. Great town,
a lot of good beers in Boston, a lot of
good sports in Boston.

Speaker 7 (36:33):
Well as I was born in New York, so I'm
just conditioned to hate all Boston.

Speaker 6 (36:37):
But I love Jason Tatum. That's my guy. I do
love him. He's gonna be a Laker one day. We
know that. Obviously. It's got a Kobe tattoo, come on.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
To I think he's going to be a Celtic for
the rest of his life. As they win their second
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Speaker 3 (38:21):
Welcome Back. I was looking over this morning.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
Because the NFL draft is drafting people who have been
in college three, four, sometimes five years if they red shirted.
Is that it's a very fun draft to watch because
most of you watch them. Yeah, there's a Buckeye, there's
a Georgia Bulldog, there's a Oklahoma Sooner. You know you've
watched the players where in the WNBA draft. The women's
draft is a lot like that too, that you see

(38:47):
stars from South Carolina or Stanford. The NBA draft, I
mean it's you're just projecting. It's really hard to be
a GM in the NBA. You're guessing you're drafting eighteen
year olds. Some go to the g League. Some are
just out of high school. I mean, you have no
tape and so. But one of the things I love
about the NFL draft is that you don't market size

(39:08):
is irrelevant. If you draft well, you can be Buffalo
or Green Bay or New Orleans.

Speaker 3 (39:13):
It doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
Of all the leagues, football is the fairest of the leagues.

Speaker 3 (39:18):
Mean, let's be honest about Baseball.

Speaker 1 (39:20):
If you got New York, Philadelphia, Los Angeles money, I.

Speaker 3 (39:25):
Mean, go just combine.

Speaker 1 (39:27):
You could combine the Dodgers, Phillies, Mets just in the
National League. Combine those rosters, I mean you got. I
mean maybe San Diego's got a couple of good players,
but it's like maybe Atlanta has Lacuna.

Speaker 3 (39:39):
But in the end, it's a money sport, right.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
And then in the NBA, I mean, guys like to
play in Los Angeles, Guys like to play in certain markets.
Miami has always been attractive, you know, guys like to
play with Steph Curry.

Speaker 3 (39:51):
The NFL is very fair.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
Market size is completely irrelevant if your scouting department is good.
I mean, the two New York teams right now stink.
Until this year, DC stunk forever. Huge market A lot
of big markets Chicago, Atlanta, New York doesn't matter. Baltimore's great,
Green Bay's great. You know, Cincinnati's got great offensive player.

(40:14):
Market size is absolutely irrelevant. And I was looking at
all the players that Philadelphia had taken, and this is
one of the things that I think is so attractive
about the NFL is and for our radio audience, this
is a lot of numbers, but for the TV audience,
they just don't miss on their top picks. And I
said this a couple of years ago. Everybody said, oh,
the Rams were in the rebuild and they had back
to back defensive drafts. They did not miss on any pick.

(40:37):
Their safeties, their corners, they're rush ends, they're detac Everything worked.
And that's what I love about the NFL is it's
not about money, it's not about prestige. I can argue
the two worst run teams in the league three could
be a Chicago team and two New York teams. The
best team in New York is the one up in
small market Buffalo, right, the best Midwestern team, It's not Chicago,

(41:01):
it's little old Green Bay. And that is I think
really endearing and connectable and relatable to NFL fans. But
so you know, when you talk about Philadelphia, I don't
know if Nick Sirian he's a great coach. I know
the last three years he's had a ridiculous roster, just
absolutely ridiculous roster. So if you go look at the

(41:24):
foreseeable future, because they hit on so many draft picks,
one of the easiest predictions in the NFL next year
is Philadelphia is going to be a playoff team, even
more than Kansas City.

Speaker 3 (41:35):
I think Buffalo is a lock.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
And this year, I think I got six of the
eight divisions, right, I think pretty safe bet Buffalo is
going to win that division. Kansas City and the Chargers
will both be playoff teams. Baltimore will be a playoff team.
Philadelphia and the Lions are absolutely playoff teams.

Speaker 6 (41:56):
You had the Patriots going to the playoffs. Who's coming out?
Is it your beloved Denver Broncos.

Speaker 3 (42:02):
No, Pittsburgh Steelers?

Speaker 6 (42:03):
Oh, Pittsburgh Steels. Okay, good, good? But you remember you
need like four new playoff.

Speaker 3 (42:08):
Teams minute every year. I can tell you right now, Okay,
I'll tell you right now.

Speaker 7 (42:13):
Is we why don't we do with tease because we're
running out of time? And then do it next hour?
Can I produce a show as well as part of it? Sorry, sorry, guys.

Speaker 1 (42:22):
I mean if you're not, if you're not telling me
about your three pointers at at home on your wreck team,
you're you're producing and directing the show.

Speaker 6 (42:31):
Didn't have a great night last night. Was double teamed
a lot because.

Speaker 3 (42:37):
The cooke machine was doubled, or you were double no.

Speaker 4 (42:39):
No,