December 6, 2024 • 41 mins
Colin gives his best NFL bets for week 14 including Falcons @ Vikings and Jets @ Dolphins
Thoughts on the people complaining about the refs during the Lions-Packers game
Guest: Emmanuel Sanders
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Here we go. It's Friday, our number two live in
Los Angeles. It's The Herd wherever you may be, however
you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of
your day. Urban Meyer one hour from now. Emmanuel Sanders
around the corner. Jmac. There are weeks. I remember earlier
this year that we had like a two week stretch.
It was like Week five and six. I love the
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picks I feel this week. I feel the same thing.
There's teams in really bad spots due to injuries or
travel or chaos, and then there are teams fighting for
playoff position and seeding. Like we're gonna have a week
where favorites do very well.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
If we're two good teams off the board, six teams
on a bye so there is like kind of some
bigger spreads this week.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
I'm looking forward to your favorites.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Here we go are blazing five shot.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Let's blaze it up, fired up. It's Collins, blazing five,
Falcons and Vikings.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
I'm gonna take Minnesota at home. Lay the five and
a half points. They're a great home team. For their
wins have come by over six points. Top ten in
scoring offense and scoring defense number five this year. Near's
the issue. They are aggressive. They are second in the
league in takeaways, fourth in sacks, and Kirk Cousins for
Atlanta is reeling. He looks old. They'll come after him.
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In his last three games, zero tds and six packs
and a passer rating in the fifties. I think the
Vikings playing for more and have more momentum thirty three twenty.
I like the Vikings to cover Jets aid Dolphins, so
I get an offensive coach and a better quarterback with
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extra rest. Forget the Packer game. It's cold weather at
home to above sixty degrees. Has a one zero four
passer rating. He's thirty two to ten in games with
warm weather and fifteen and five at home under Mike
McDaniel and the Jets. Aaron Rodgers, like Cousins, looks tired
in the second half shut out against the Seahawks in
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the second half. This is a bit of a quarterback mismatch.
Warm weather to at home against aged Aaron Rodgers and
the Jets, by the way, are a bad road team,
a bad second half offense. And I think again, the
Dolphins playing for more in this spot right like I
mean they are like Minnesota is looking at it thinking
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could we be a number one seed? Miami has to
win just to get into the playoffs. I like the
Dolphins to win and cover twenty seven to seventeen.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Browns at Steelers.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Cleveland plus six and a half. That's way too many points.
First of all, they have the number one offense in
the NFL since Jamis Winston became starter. They will score
Pittsburgh's coming off a hard fought road win in Division
five straight games decided by one score. And by the way,
the Steelers are two and three when they allow twenty
plus points and Jamis Winston is a starter, Cleveland scores points. Okay,
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so I like the Steelers to win. But you watch
that Denver defense that had been fantastic all year. They
got lit up by Cleveland. Cleveland's offensive personnel and coaching
and Jamis he can be crazy. And the pick sixes.
They almost won that game with two pick sixes. I
think the Browns cover. I think the Steelers win twenty
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four to twenty three Bills.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
It rare, boy.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Do I like the Bills this week minus three and
a half fifteen straight regular season wins in December or January.
They are built, they are deep, They're getting healthier. They
lead the NFL in second half point differential, and you
cannot get to Jared Josh Allen can't get to him,
and the way the Rams can disrupt teams is getting
to the quarterback. Well, josh Allen didn't get sacked, and
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by the way Keon Coleman and Dalton kin Kaid could return,
the Rams have a bigger issue right now. Matt Stafford's
beat up. Not he's playing well, but he's beat up.
He's struggling on third down and Stafford has the lowest
passer rating in the league when under pressure, two touchdowns
and five picks. He's got a bad ankle. So I
love Josh Allen and the Bills in this spot. By
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the way, he's played them twice and has completed almost
eighty percent of his throws against the Rams. I like
the Bills to win. The crowd will be more than
fifty percent Buffalo fans. Twenty eight to twenty Bills Chargers
at Chiefs. Bad spot for the Chargers. I'm gonna lay
the four points and take Kansas City. They're six and
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zero at home this year, and by the way, in December, January,
and February in the Mahomes era, they're twenty three and
six at home. Good home team. Mahomes over the last
five games is starting to heat up. One hundred passer rating,
sixty eight percent completion percentage. The Chargers offense wasn't good
to start now JK. Dobbins out, Lad McConkie not practicing.
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This was a reasonably anemic offense. It could be worse.
Maybe they'll hang around for the first half, but they're
one in three against teams with winning records. Anyway, They're
very good. They win the games they should win, but
they don't have the ability to beat excellent teams. And
I like the Chiefs. I'll lay the points to win,
twenty seven to seventeen. I think it is a It
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could be a rough, rough late afternoon for Justin Herbert
Without Lad McConkie. So I like a lot of favorites.
I like the Vikings at home. Vikings right now, think
they have a shot to be a number one seed.
Dolphins with extra arrest. I think Cleveland's offense will keep
this close. Buffalo is a great December January team. We've
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seen that. And Kansas City with a little extra rest.
Andy Reid off of buy Andy Reid with extra time
is money. And the Chargers. The Chargers defense won that
game against the Falcons. It was not their offense. J.
Mcinny thoughts.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
I agree with all. I just don't know what you
would do. Steelers Browns. I have no idea. What are
the Browns quitting?
Speaker 3 (06:20):
I mean Monday night football at altitude, Steelers extra time
to prepare.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
I don't know it is so great about it. I don't
feel great about the Browns of Jamis.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
But I will say this. You can say what you
want about Jamis Winston. I remember the year before Brady came,
they were scoring a ton of points. Yeah, Jamis. We
say he's like Evil Knievel if he played quarterback. I mean,
it's like crazy, You're like, but I will argue all
day long. He's a more town of Geno Smith like
and Gino's got Gino made Pro Bowls, Gino's big talk
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and move. Jamis made throws against Denver's defense, and I
mean thirty two yarders on the sideline that were here, Like,
Jamis has more likely to.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Lose you a game, Jamis Orgino, it's close, but I
think you gotta go Jamis.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Yeah, but again there I you know, Denver's defense had
stifled Mahomes and other quarterbacks. Jamis and Jerry Judy did
whatever they wanted in Denver. So to me, it's like
Jamis is a fascinating Generally, if you get rid of
a quarterback, you're like, he's too small, he's not productive.
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Jamis is like, yeah, we're gonna get rid of this guy.
He's the most productive quarterback in the league. Now sometimes
for the other team, but he's Every ball in the
air can be a touchdown with Jamis, most for you,
some for them. And with that, Emmanuel Sanders, two time
Pro Bowl or twelve years in the NFL, is now
joining us in studio, which we love. Seven playoff appearances
in twelve seasons, so he knows this time of the year,
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how you do, my man, It's great.
Speaker 5 (07:50):
You know it's not virtual anymore.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Huh yeah, no, this is great. So we were I
was saying this sort of about Dan Campbell. I'll take
myself for example, when I young, I took more risks,
you know, like if I had I would have I
would have invested in bitcoin. But now I'm gonna go bonds,
I'm gonna do real estate. There's a time in your
life to take bigger risks. And for a football team
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Kansas City, Buffalo, those are really good teams, they don't
need to take huge risks. They got better players. Stay
with Philadelphia. Detroit, in my opinion, is still using the
model from the previous three years when they were hunting,
but now they're at the top of the hill. I
don't love all this fourth down stuff, but the players
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seem to like it.
Speaker 5 (08:34):
Yeah, yeah for me.
Speaker 6 (08:35):
And it's gonna be interesting that take is as Dan
Campbell gets older, will he stick with this philosophy or
will we look back and be like, remember when Dan
Campbell used to do Dan right?
Speaker 7 (08:46):
For me?
Speaker 6 (08:47):
Like I like it, Like in that game versus the Packers,
I would have went forward, you know honestly, though, like
when I when when I was watching the game. I said, man,
kick the field goal, you know, play good defense, get
out of the game. But it was it was fourth
and inches. That's what they do. They they got plays
to be able to do that. So when they did
it and I saw the field goal kicker kick it
and they won, I was like, that's brilliant. My deal
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is is this last year when they played against the
Niners in the playoffs, it was a lot of times
that I was like, Man, if you was just kicked
the field goal, you.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Would have been been going to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
You know, It's funny, Emmanuel, do you know the three
teams in the NFL since Dan Campbell got to Detroit,
the three teams that go for it the fewest are
Kansas City, Buffalo and the Niners. That's crazy, the best teams. Yes.
Why so, because when you're again, when you're IBM and
you're looking down at companies, it's one thing when you're
a startup, you're taking big swings to catch up. So
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I just wonder if Dan again it worked last night?
Speaker 6 (09:43):
It worked, But what's gonna happen because we're expecting the
Lions to go in the Super Bowl run right, what's
gonna happen when you get in these games in the
playoff moments and those situations come up, and it's like,
you kick the.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
Field goal, you win the game. But that's that's our philosophy.
Speaker 6 (09:57):
We live by the sawd we die by the We
are you willing to die on that mound over that situation?
But again, I'll deal with that when I get there.
Right now, I look like, I mean that play last night,
the situational football day he did last night was the
right play for me.
Speaker 5 (10:12):
I hope in the playoffs it didn't happen.
Speaker 6 (10:13):
Again what happened versus the Niners in terms of just
kicking the field goal and getting out of the game
and going to the Super Bowl and winning Super Bowl
and getting some great hardware.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
So you know Sean Payton and what he has done
with bow Knicks. Now, Bonnicks had sixty one college starts,
so he wasn't a kid like Anthony Richardson who comes
in still doesn't really quite know how to do this
quarterback thing. Bon Knicks had been sec Oregon sixty one
college starts. But watching Bonnicks from week two to now
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is like wow, like you tell me you've been in
the huddle you've been at practice with Sean. What's his secret, sauce?
What does he do?
Speaker 6 (10:52):
When I was in New Orleans, I was really impressed
by Sean because we battled a lot of injuries. It
was like during COVID, So I was out, Mike Thomas
was out, and we had rookies that was coming in,
and I was expecting us to kind of really lose,
Like Sean Payton really didn't have too much to work with,
and he won. You know, that was the year that
we had Marquez Callaway. He was there, but it was
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young casts. But those guys were stepping in. There are
rookies and they're balling like Sean Payton was getting them
open and every catching they looked like superstars, you know.
And so it made me have a lot of respect
for Sean because even after I retired, I still sit
back and I think about Sean.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
I'm like, when I.
Speaker 6 (11:29):
Played for him, he was always two or three plays
ahead of the defensive coordinator, like he knows football.
Speaker 5 (11:36):
So now when I'm.
Speaker 6 (11:37):
Looking at bow Knicks and I look at bow Knicks
draft quarterback class, who was is Caleb Jayden Drake?
Speaker 5 (11:43):
And what else are we missing?
Speaker 6 (11:46):
Jj McCarthy if you take those guys right and you
plug them in and you asked them who you want
to be your offensive coordinator right now coming into the league,
I think the majority of those.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
Guys going Sean Payton.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Right.
Speaker 6 (11:58):
So you looking at bow Knicks, you like bo you
hit the jackpie with Sean Payton, Yes, all right, because
you got you got a legendary coach, a legendary office
of coordinator. It may take you a little while to
get there and get familiar with each other, but I
think even personalities, I think that personality is don't click
well too.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
You know it's funny because I said, Russell Wilson is
like hopelessly optimistic. Sean is bottom line right, Sean can
be curt he can be harsh.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
Right.
Speaker 6 (12:22):
You remember the one footage of bot Nick's getting on
Sean Payton right in oposite right, and I and I
grew a lot of respectful both because I said, all right, man,
I watched this, and I'm like, all right, he's very spiritual. Man,
I just want to see that dog in him. I
want to see that dog. So when I saw that side,
I liked the guy because he got that dog in him.
And that dog is that competitive nature. You know, you
can be a good person, but you got to have
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some type of competitive nature. When it's time to ride,
it's time to run.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
So let's talk Russell Wilson. I didn't think. I thought
he would go to Pittsburgh and Justin Fields is very
well liked, super athletic in his athletic prime, and I
thought he would go into that locker room and guys
would be like, that's who we want. And that's kind
of what happened because Russell had the caffin and then
Mike Tomlin with a foreign two record, but Justin Fields like,
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I'm gonna go with the old guy, and it got
major pushback, like big bands like this is a mistake
and it has worked. Are you surprised?
Speaker 5 (13:17):
You probably don't remember.
Speaker 6 (13:19):
Last time we spoke, it was on Virtual We're we're
talking about this, should they go with Justin Fils or
Russell Wilson because Mike Tomlin was talking about going with
with with Russell and I said back, I said, I said,
the Stillers with Justin Fields, and I love Justin Fields
the way that he plays, but.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
I don't think that they're super Bowl contenders.
Speaker 6 (13:40):
The Stillers with Russell Wilson to me or super Bowl continued,
they have a shot. And in Denver, I used to
always say Russell's strength is the play action.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
Get him under the center and run play action. And
that's what he did in Seattle.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
By the way, Kyler Murray's good at that too. Arizona's
starting to do that with Kyler.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
So like coaches, sometimes they have a system, but sometimes
you got to fitch your system to the player that
you have. You got to be able to change the
place to your player stress and that's what the Stillers
are doing. You see him going play action. They got
Najie Harrison running back, and they got that defense. So
the Stillers to me is a team that could win
one home game and the next thing, you know, going
the road and they can be they won deep ball
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away from beating somebody because they have a defense, they
got a run game, and they got a quarterback who
has the experience. Now, so I think Mike thom now
were looking at it. I think he made the right choice,
and I know that.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
He knows he made the right choice, and it wasn't
an easy one.
Speaker 5 (14:33):
You saw kiss the rest on the forehead, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
I thought that.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
I love you man.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
You like, we talked about that. That was a real moment.
So you played your last year in the league, you
played with Josh Allen. So when Josh came in, I
remember watching him in Wyoming. He played Iowen, Oregon, and
I was told, i think by Greg Cosell. He said,
go watch this kid at Wyoming. He was pretty awful,
had a huge arm. He was like a wild horse
out of the bar, and it was like you just
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flying everywhere. But I'm like that dude throws like sixty
five yards running away from running to his left, and
so you knew there was something there. And then early
in his career first year and a half, a lot
of mistakes. Your last year in the league, you played
with him. Do you remember moments could have been a
practice Oh yeah, where he did something and you went, man,
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if this guy ever gets it refined, it's gonna be
all time stuff.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
I mean, he was already refined when I got there.
Speaker 6 (15:25):
I remember we played against Kansas City in the regular
season and I had ran a double move a little
outing up and I was running and the corner was
like right here. So I'm thinking, oh, man, if he
hangs this on the inside, like it's an interception, so
like the ball could have been like a deep ball
and let me run into it. He put it on
the line, probably like fifty yards on the line, and
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literally I just remember putting my hands out and catching
the ball, and I was like, like I wanted to
celebrate because I felt like I did something, but I
just pointed at Josh, like, bro, like what type of
throw was that? And that's the god und truth, Like,
I mean, he's he's a special talent. And what a
lot of people don't understand about Josh is how big
and strong and physical he is. Like in order for
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Josh to get going, he needs that physicality.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Andrew Lucky used to say he liked getting hit once.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
It makes you feel like you're in the game.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
He wanted to get I mean, Andrew was like a linebacker.
Josh is built like a defensive.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
Percent and he's alive, fast and people think and he's
one of the best teammates that I've ever been around.
One thing that I like about Josh, even right now
with the situation, he is when me and Diggs was there,
like we were the veteran receivers, right, Josh was kind
of leaning on us a little bit for leadership and
the et cexual session. Now he's got these young guys
and he's the leader of them. Right, there is no
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there is no egos in the room, Like it's like, hey,
crack that safety, don't ask any questions. And I think
that that was the best thing for Josh, and I
think that we're seeing the best version of Josh because
of it.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
I think he was even a little reckless with you.
He was still would have games right when you and
Stefan were there where you were like, oh, he'd make
red zone throws. You're like, Josh, he don't make those anymore, because.
Speaker 6 (17:00):
You know what it is is when you're the main,
main leader, Yeah, you feel like you have a bigger
responsibility on your shoulders to go out and perform, which
I think is really good for Josh, and I think
we're sending the best version of him.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
So I love Green Bay. I feel am manual. They're
the youngest great team in the league, and I think
if you take the best five, I've said this, I
think Green Bay is the best team in the NFL
that can't win a Super Bowl. I think they're too young.
I could be totally wrong. Now you're right, Is that
how you feel?
Speaker 5 (17:30):
That's how I feel. That's how I feel.
Speaker 6 (17:32):
I think it's not a from a player's perspective with
Green Bay right now.
Speaker 5 (17:38):
I think it's an experience perspective. Right, I think.
Speaker 6 (17:41):
Two or three years down the road, I think maybe two,
Like they're gonna be right there. Because I love this quarterback,
Jordan Love. He's one of my favorite quarterbacks to watch
play the game.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
No, he is a talent.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
Yes, he is a talent.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
I love.
Speaker 6 (17:54):
I love him in the pocket like I got my
son playing quarterback and I tell him, I watch this
guy because that's how I want you to play the game.
Because I love the way he played. I love what
Matt Lafloyd's is doing. But I just think from the
experience standpoint, they're two years or a year away from
being where we need him to be. But they're good footballs.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
They don't have if you really look at them, they
really don't have many players in their prime, whereas Detroit's
got about eight. Yeah, they're just by next year Thanksgiving.
Jordan Loves probably entering his prime. One is probably entering
the first year of his prime. Yep.
Speaker 5 (18:25):
And it's gonna be fun to watch finally really fun.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
To watch Bill Belichick as a college football coach. Story
today he's interested in Carolina. The idea of him groveling
the recruits. Do you think it works?
Speaker 6 (18:38):
You know, I don't like to keep talking about Belichick
and his twenty four year old girlfriend, but man, he
everybody said, and if he brings the Patriot way to college,
it's not gonna work.
Speaker 5 (18:48):
And I don't think it's gonna work.
Speaker 6 (18:50):
But I think that, you know, Belichick's doing TV now,
like I think he's getting a new energy about himself.
Like I think he's loving life even more now. So
like you know, someone asked me the question and like
is it a good fit?
Speaker 5 (19:01):
Like I would love.
Speaker 6 (19:02):
To turn on the TV on Saturdays and see Bill
Belichick coaching. We all would, but football, I want to
see it happen for football.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
I think it would have worked ten years ago when
you had one recruiting period. Now you have two. The
transfer portal, the nil Even Nick Saban's like, oh yeah,
And that's.
Speaker 6 (19:20):
A good point because Nick Saban said, I'm righty here
because it turned into a business because it.
Speaker 5 (19:24):
Changed on him, right.
Speaker 6 (19:26):
He was used to getting the recruits and saying, oh
I got you for four years or if you enter
a portal and there's no money talk, Bill Belichick is
coming into a situation. College football now is different, like
the money that these guys are being thrown out, Like.
Speaker 5 (19:40):
I got someone that I'm close to. They just offered
him seven hundred and fifty thousand for one year, So
the money.
Speaker 6 (19:47):
The college football is now a business, and Belichick is
used to running NFL teams and he's been running like
a business. So it's gonna be interesting to see if
he does take the college route how good he can be,
because it's not gonna be that big of an adjustment
for him. I don't think because it is talking money now.
But you know, I think he has to get a younger,
young staff around him to go out and recruit. Right,
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it comes down to a staff. It comes down to
a staff. But he he has to be the type
of coach that young players or young coaches want to
be around you though, right, like they want to be
around you.
Speaker 5 (20:20):
The energy has to be good.
Speaker 6 (20:21):
But I think that he's starting to change, Like even
watching him on TV, like see how how funny is,
seeing how cool he is, Like I think he has
the personality to do it.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
If you want to.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Great senior man. Hey, good nice on the facility this morning.
Thank you appreciated that. We always love having you. So
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Speaker 6 (20:38):
Sure man, thanks for having me. Hey ghost things man,
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Speaker 1 (20:52):
Fans complain, and I've always laughed about like NBA fan
who complains about officiating but they had thirteen turnovers and
miss sixty free throws, like people make mistakes. Last night,
A lot of fans Packer fans are like, oh the officiating.
Jared Goff's knee hit the ground. That shouldn't count on
fourth and one. It's not college. In college, you're down
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in the pros a quarterback unless he gives himself up
on a slide or it's an intentional knee. That was
clearly not an intentional knee. Jared Goff is not down college. Yes,
pro no, so you know. And by the way, refs
do miss things later in this game, and I don't
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consider it a big mess. But earlier in the game,
Jordan loves Head got slapped. Folks. It's a level of
regulated violence in this league. Quarterbacks get hit three or
four times a game, and that they don't they call half,
they don't call others. That's just you probably get that
in Green Bay, you don't in the road. That's just
a go either way call. The game is not officiated perfectly.
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On Monday Night Football, there was a real late down
third or fourth down for the Cleveland Browns if you recall,
and the refs missed it like number seventy seven. Teller
clearly was like a beat ahead of everybody. It was
a misscall. It happens. I think the league, I mean,
there's certain things you cannot replay. Now. I've always had
a belief that in under two minutes you should have
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what I would call the umbrella replay. It covers everything.
But I don't want it to be the NBA with
the last three minutes. Two minutes can take thirty five minutes.
So you know the idea that the NFL like this
idea that oh it's rigged for Kansas City. It wouldn't
be Andy Reid, Steve Spagnola, Chris Jones, Patrick Mahomes wouldn't
be that. Listen that the head slap to Jordan Love.
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I see one every weekend. Some get it, some don't.
What they're really watch is when a big guy puts
his weight on a quarterback. That's where the injuries happen.
On a head slap like that, it's not you don't
get a ton of injuries on that. That's what they're
trying to do. Take injuries out of football. I mean,
you could call holding on virtually every play, they don't.
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You could call pass interference thirty times a game, they don't.
Some stuff slides, and it's a very murky gray line.
Here's Jared goff On falling down last night on that
big fourth down, got.
Speaker 8 (23:18):
Tripped up there a little bit, and that feeling when
your quarterback not the first time that's happened in my career.
You try to like stretch out and give it to him.
I was, I was even probably flip it to him
if I couldn't hand it to him. But made it happen,
made it work, and David did the rest. In talks
about the athletics, it's a show, yes, yeah, yeah, real
athletic to fall down on a routine handoff.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
So for the record, Jared Goff says, yeah, this happened
to be multiple times in the NFL, and it's legal
and you're not down. You can give yourself up on
a slide, or if you kneel down intentionally. Yeah. I
don't think Jared Goff was in Yeah, or if the
Packers touched him when he kneeled. But in that instance,
I couldn't believe the Internet's imploding like this happened. I
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see it all the time. How many times in a
big spot in an NFL game in your life have
you seen a quarterback like the right guard steps on
his foot and he falls. You can get right back
up and throw. As long as you're not touched. You
can kneel as a quarterback intentionally. Obviously, Jared Goff on
a fourth and one wasn't kneeling intentionally. Here's j Mack
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with the news.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
No, no, this is the herd line news.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
All right, friend, let's start with college football Texas Georgia.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
I know you're fired up for this game.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
It is a rematch and the last time they played,
Carson Beck was awful, three interceptions and Sark decided to
bench Quinn.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
Viewers for a few series.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Remember Arch Manning came in for a quote unquote spark
well Sark was asked about his quarterback situation heading into
the SEC Championship. He said he fully believes in yours,
but knows Manning can provide a spark if needed.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
I'm almost certain we'll.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
See Arch Banning in game he played last week against
A and m A. He runs well.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
I think Texas had a very clunky offensive performance against
the yaggiest spot.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
Though on the road.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
No, no, no question. They're gonna want to redeem themselves.
And Georgia played an eight overtime game and their defense
looked gassed throughout that game. So one of the many
reasons college overtimes are insane. You want overtime to be
quick because injuries mount the longer game goes on. So
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George's banged up, they're exhausted. I think you're gonna see
points in this gay everybody else thinks it's low scoring.
I think you're gonna see a worn out Georgia defense,
but an offense that Carson Becks played well in the
last three games.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
This is a if you know, NFL fans should check
this game out because there's your two quarterback prospects.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
Yes, that could go first round.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
I know we are off to me Yours has more upside,
but I I don't love either of these as NFL quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
So like bow Knicks was super consistent in Oregon every
game he's delivered seventy five percent.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Of these guys are all over the map.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Yeah, they're kind of still all over now. Bo Nicks
is a little older, right, Carson Beck is still a
young guy, a young kid. This is I believe his
second year starting. We don't have that much info on him,
Like Nick started for how many years they had.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Like side like Carson Beck last year at this time,
but a lot of that was Brock Bowers and Lab
McCarney and and so this year I've seen him without
those players and he's come back down to earth.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Yeah. Yeah, Like, like the Jets are going to be
looking for a quarterback. I mean, what if they're drafting
at twelve? Is that two ritch for Quinn Yours?
Speaker 1 (26:35):
In my opinion, yes, Now it's a weak top of
the first round. It's a good draft for about four rounds,
four and a half rounds. It's not great late, It's
not great at the top. So Quinn Ewers because he
plays quarterback. Could absolutely go if some offensive coach sees
him and thinks I can make something of him. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Remember this time last year, JJ McCarthy, there was some
some chatter he could go first round.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
Nobody thought he was going top twelve, did they?
Speaker 3 (26:58):
I mean, McCarthy, would you had you know, you had
the almost interception against Alabama like the first play and
then rebound and finished good.
Speaker 5 (27:05):
Yeah, this should be.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
A good quarterback draft. Next up, Colin, let's go to
Bill Belichick.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
You talked about his North Carolina interview last hour. Well
along with that, Okay, now you know what this is.
This is information season. A report from Dan Graziano at
ESPN said some field Belichick quote won't insist on the
same level of organization control as he had with the Patriots,
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But of course not everyone believes that.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
I am very curious which you believe.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
I would not hire Bill Belichick if he has anything
to say with personnel, would not hire him.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
Said that, by the way he apparently wanted said no,
we're the Atlanta Falcons. Now, by the way, first team
that we all thought first place.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
They look they've underachieved at this point.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Michael Pennix comes on in the half and pulls out
a win over Minnesota. You're gonna say, what a brilliant move.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
And what is the line if and butts were candy
and nuts or so? I forget it. But let's be real.
They had a shot at Bill Belichick Atlanta.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Nobody else wanted Belichick because allegedly of the control thing.
I wonder if maybe that Sansus softened from Belichick.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
He's not willing to totally be in control. Are going
to college?
Speaker 3 (28:20):
He interviewed to college. You got to collaborate with the ad.
You gotta work with the other coaches in sports. You
gotta work with the collective.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
And I don't see Bill pivoting to a great collaborator
after all these years of dominating.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
I just not Tiger doesn't change his stripe. Look at him.
Come on, he's in there, twenty five year old. What
he's changing.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
That's different. I'll just say that's different.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
Just leave it there.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Okay, all right, we'll go to the final story, and
I guess.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
It's time we talk about awards.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Right.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Well, this gentleman on the screen dominating brock Bowers. What
a season he's had. So this is a long season. Right,
So the first five weeks, Jayden Daniels was a lock.
Then your guy bo Nitz came on strong. Caleb Williams
kind of spot. But how about Antonio Pierce's tight end
Brock Powers. He's making a push and here's Pierce on
brock Bowers.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Now this one, this guy's different.
Speaker 9 (29:08):
This is different because when you getting matched up on
the number one corner, when you're getting double team throughout
the field, Nate, we're goun to throwing the ball. We're
gonna keep throwing the ball. And he's one of those matchups.
It's really like a running back. He's a receiver with
the balls. And yeah, he has a ball in his head.
I mean he's plashing people and he's skilled enough. Obviously
his his catch radius. I can't really speak high enough
about this player.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
I think he's the best tight end prospect. I think
Kellen Winslow junior when he came into the NFL, and
he had some personal issues, but I thought he was
an all time great prospect. You I think this guy is.
I mean, my buddy runs the organization. He's like he
can beat number one corners. I think, I mean, look
at it, look at how he runs. He's Josh Allen
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at tight end. You're gonna get one of those a
decade in the league. He is literally different. Yeah. By
the way, Kirby Smart has told people in all his
years coaching Georgia that was his best player. He is
Josh Allen as a tight end. He just as I'm sorry,
he is a freak.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
So the Raiders have lost eight in a row.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
But if you look at the target share for Bowers
the last four games, fourteen targets, ten targets sixteen, they're
force feeding him. He's gonna be a foundational piece for Welders.
And here's the thing. If you're the Raiders, because Meyers
the other tight.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
End, Okay, Koby Myers.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
No, they have Jacoby Myers, who I like, but they
have a left tackle. They have a superstar in Brock Bowers,
and I mean a superstar, another good tackle tight end.
I don't think they're a massive rebuild. I think if
the Raiders got Shaduer Sanders, I think they're very interesting
day one because I think they play hard and play
(30:46):
good defense with Antonio. If you gave me Shader Sanders,
he has the freak of his generation at tight end.
That young quarterbacks and tight ends are money. That's I mean,
I just think the Raiders get the quarter back right
and maybe one other perimeter weapon offensively watch out.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
So you had Brady and Gronk together, you have Mahomes
and Kelsey. We know tight ends are cheaper than these
deva wide receivers who want to be the highest made
in the game. Maybe this is a potential new model
Shoulder and Bowers and oh my gosh, we got something
really cooking it and he is different.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Dude.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Jmak with the news.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by. The
herd Line.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
New Urban Meyer stops by last hour. Oregon and Penn State.
I like the Ducks. A lot of people are on
Penn State. I think Texas beats Georgia. Georgia off that
insane eight overtime game. I think, I don't how is
Georgia gonna have all their energy and all their pieces.
I think that's just asking a lot.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
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Speaker 1 (32:30):
Fox Urban Meyer Last Hour. You know, I say this
all the time, either to my kids or in my business.
I own nobody solves anything. There's never been a problem
solved pointing a finger. You just got to own it, right,
(32:50):
like you gotta own your stuff. And sometimes you know,
I watch fans always want to point fingers. I saw
you know do it after they lost the election. It's
finger pointing at you, dumb voters, who did you look
in the mirror? Solve problems by inspecting your decisions and
looking in the mirror. That's how you solve political issues,
(33:14):
business issues. So everybody wants to blame officials. This week,
this past weekend, we saw something the officials are absolutely
worried about. The Trevor Lawrence slide where he slides. I
thought he slid late and he got whacked. And I
was with Tom Brady who came on the show. I
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think there is some responsibility to Trevor Lawrence and quarterbacks.
He slides late and defensive players feel trapped. They don't
know what to do. But you saw the league not
only throw all flag but kick the player out for
almost a month. That's what they're worried about. They're not
you know, they're not losing sleep. They don't want head
(33:57):
slaps to Jordan Love, that's not what they want. But
the NFL, because of the style of play and the
regular level of violence, they could throw a flag every play.
They want to keep the game going. But that that
on Trevor Lawrence, where I think the quarterback slid late.
They kicked the guy out for almost a month. Tom
(34:18):
Brady talked about that incident.
Speaker 7 (34:21):
Defensive players have to be aggressive, that's their nature. I
always tried to be aggressive on offense. We tried to
a block aggressively, and at the same time the defense
tries to tackle aggressively. So I don't know there's an
aspect to me that I think the quarterbacks and the
certainly the quarterbacks need to take better care of themselves
the aspect again for a play caller, there's more design
(34:43):
runs for quarterbacks ever now than in the history of
the NFL. So are we really trying to protect quarterbacks?
Because if you are trying to do it through the rules,
then why are the offensive coordinators not protecting their quarterbacks
by keeping them under the pocket? And maybe they fine
or pen lie is a quarterback for sliding late, you know,
and say, look, we if we don't want these hits
(35:04):
to take place, we've got to penalize the offense and
the defense.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Yeah, and I don't. I kind of sided with Tom
here and Drew Brees came on two days later and
also said, you know, there's a responsibility by the offensive player.
What you're asking an offensive player to do. Think about
what you're asking them to do. Choreography. You can't even
move your right finger or it's illegal. You can have
(35:31):
a legal motion. You're lining up wrong. Everything about offense.
It's kind of brain power lining up multiple audibles, total
absolute choreography. Well, that's that's not what defense is. Defensive
guys can move whatever they want to do before the snap.
They don't have to be lined up. They can move
anywhere they want to move. Their job is to blow
(35:51):
stuff up, create chaos. So the mindset of an offensive
player is efficiency and core biography and playing fast and alert.
The mindset of a defensive player is I'm gonna mess
this thing up. I'm gonna blow this play up. So
you've got a different mindset playing it. So you're asking
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a Houston Texan who's a very aggressive player. He's running
full speed at Trevor Lawrence and then Lawrence slides a
foot late, and he's already leaning in. So i mean,
look at look when he slides. Do it again really
quickly here, so freeze it. When he starts to slide, boom. Okay,
(36:33):
the defensive player is already getting down. He's already low.
He is already in the process. His knee isn't hit yet.
Trevor Lawrence is not officially down, his knee is not touched.
The defensive player, if you look, he is already with
Trevor Lawrence already going down. He's lower than Trevor Lawrence.
(36:55):
He is moving in for the shot, and now let
it go bang bang From there to the hit less
than half a second So just think what you just
saw the freeze frame boom. That is that is three
tenths of a second, and you are looking for the
(37:17):
perfect hit. When you freeze that slide, his knee is
not down and that defensive player is already below him.
That means he is a missile. That missile has been
fired to the player. Now, if Trevor two and a
half to three feet earlier slides, then it's like, Okay,
that's ake. But I don't view it as a complete
(37:38):
cheap shot. I view it as a late hit. But
I'm I'm with Brady on this thing. I think it's
much closer. And you have to remember, you know, it's
like you're a little bit of a fighter pilot on defense.
There's risk. It takes a certain level of courage, you know.
Not football players aren't all the same. Some potiitia positions
(38:00):
quarterback are very much about mechanics and rhythm. Some cornerback,
for instance, like a Sauce Gardener, it's about confidence because
you're gonna get beat every corner in this league. Patrick
Sertan against Cleveland got beat badly and he's the best
corner in football. But you can't lose your confidence. So
for a defensive player, a corner, it's all about confidence.
(38:25):
You can't lose it when you get beat, because you're
gonna get beat. The best in the business get beat.
The best left tackles in football don't get beat that much.
So that's a technical position. Offensive lines tend to be
brute strength and technical cohesion. That's not Secondaries can be
cohesion playing well together in space. But every football player
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has a different task, a different assignment, and a different mindset.
And these defensive guys now, they don't make as much money.
They don't want to pay safeties. You mean, even when
you get to be like Jidarius Snead Kansas and you're
a great corner, they move off him. You'll send him
to a bad team. I mean, that's the reality. NFL
teams now want to pay one defensive player. Go look
(39:09):
at Kansas City. They'll pay Chris Jones. Then they'll just
keep their defense young and keep drafting. They're spending money, quarterback,
tight end, guard, right tackle, left tackle. Teams will spend money.
Now look at the Rams. They're not paying anybody on defense.
They're not They let Jalen Ramsey go. I mean, they
they're only paying off it. Tight end makes money, Cooper
(39:32):
Cup makes money, Matt Stafford makes money. Rob Havenstein right
tackle makes money. Rams are paying four or five offensive guys.
They're paying nobody on defense. They just keep drafting and
keeping it cheap. They had Ernest Jones. Jay Mack used
to make funny. Rams had this great interior linebacker, Ernest Jones,
excellent player, second third, best player. Let him go, so
defensive guys now can get paid. Ernest Jones comes in
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from like Texas, A and M third round guy, overachieves
he's a great player. They let him go. Tyler Higgsby
a good tight end, they sign him. So these defensive
guys now are thinking, man, none of us get paid
unless you're like Max Crosby or you're Chris Jones. You know,
if you're an elite pass rusher of Bosa, you're getting
paid everybody else. You got to make an impression. J
(40:19):
Mack doesn't like this.
Speaker 4 (40:20):
Do you think that's a good model.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Huh, It's just it is what it is.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
Well no, no, no, that's what everybody's doing now because
they think, oh it.
Speaker 4 (40:27):
Worked for the Chiefs. The Chiefs with Patrick Mahomes, he
we don't have to pay anybody.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
We don't need a wide receiver. We could just pay
two defenders. Basically is what they're doing.
Speaker 4 (40:36):
Just because it work for the Chiefs is not gonna
work for everybody.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
So I would, if I were smart, I would try
to do things differently. I would be looking outside the box,
like what the forty nine ers have done with this
brock Purty experiment. And that's, by the way, the most
fascinating quarterback decision this offseason column.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
It's a decision they don't have to make, say, mister Purdy.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
I'm not trying to get fired. I like my job,
but I cannot stand when you say that. Collin, Oh
my gosh.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
They we need you to be prety perty patient
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Here we go. It's Friday, our number two live in
Los Angeles. It's The Herd wherever you may be, however
you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of
your day. Urban Meyer one hour from now. Emmanuel Sanders
around the corner. Jmac. There are weeks. I remember earlier
this year that we had like a two week stretch.
It was like Week five and six. I love the
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picks I feel this week. I feel the same thing.
There's teams in really bad spots due to injuries or
travel or chaos, and then there are teams fighting for
playoff position and seeding. Like we're gonna have a week
where favorites do very well.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
If we're two good teams off the board, six teams
on a bye so there is like kind of some
bigger spreads this week.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
I'm looking forward to your favorites.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Here we go are blazing five shot.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Let's blaze it up, fired up. It's Collins, blazing five,
Falcons and Vikings.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
I'm gonna take Minnesota at home. Lay the five and
a half points. They're a great home team. For their
wins have come by over six points. Top ten in
scoring offense and scoring defense number five this year. Near's
the issue. They are aggressive. They are second in the
league in takeaways, fourth in sacks, and Kirk Cousins for
Atlanta is reeling. He looks old. They'll come after him.
(01:46):
In his last three games, zero tds and six packs
and a passer rating in the fifties. I think the
Vikings playing for more and have more momentum thirty three twenty.
I like the Vikings to cover Jets aid Dolphins, so
I get an offensive coach and a better quarterback with
(02:08):
extra rest. Forget the Packer game. It's cold weather at
home to above sixty degrees. Has a one zero four
passer rating. He's thirty two to ten in games with
warm weather and fifteen and five at home under Mike
McDaniel and the Jets. Aaron Rodgers, like Cousins, looks tired
in the second half shut out against the Seahawks in
(02:29):
the second half. This is a bit of a quarterback mismatch.
Warm weather to at home against aged Aaron Rodgers and
the Jets, by the way, are a bad road team,
a bad second half offense. And I think again, the
Dolphins playing for more in this spot right like I
mean they are like Minnesota is looking at it thinking
(02:50):
could we be a number one seed? Miami has to
win just to get into the playoffs. I like the
Dolphins to win and cover twenty seven to seventeen.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Browns at Steelers.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Cleveland plus six and a half. That's way too many points.
First of all, they have the number one offense in
the NFL since Jamis Winston became starter. They will score
Pittsburgh's coming off a hard fought road win in Division
five straight games decided by one score. And by the way,
the Steelers are two and three when they allow twenty
plus points and Jamis Winston is a starter, Cleveland scores points. Okay,
(03:22):
so I like the Steelers to win. But you watch
that Denver defense that had been fantastic all year. They
got lit up by Cleveland. Cleveland's offensive personnel and coaching
and Jamis he can be crazy. And the pick sixes.
They almost won that game with two pick sixes. I
think the Browns cover. I think the Steelers win twenty
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four to twenty three Bills.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
It rare, boy.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Do I like the Bills this week minus three and
a half fifteen straight regular season wins in December or January.
They are built, they are deep, They're getting healthier. They
lead the NFL in second half point differential, and you
cannot get to Jared Josh Allen can't get to him,
and the way the Rams can disrupt teams is getting
to the quarterback. Well, josh Allen didn't get sacked, and
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by the way Keon Coleman and Dalton kin Kaid could return,
the Rams have a bigger issue right now. Matt Stafford's
beat up. Not he's playing well, but he's beat up.
He's struggling on third down and Stafford has the lowest
passer rating in the league when under pressure, two touchdowns
and five picks. He's got a bad ankle. So I
love Josh Allen and the Bills in this spot. By
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the way, he's played them twice and has completed almost
eighty percent of his throws against the Rams. I like
the Bills to win. The crowd will be more than
fifty percent Buffalo fans. Twenty eight to twenty Bills Chargers
at Chiefs. Bad spot for the Chargers. I'm gonna lay
the four points and take Kansas City. They're six and
(04:52):
zero at home this year, and by the way, in December, January,
and February in the Mahomes era, they're twenty three and
six at home. Good home team. Mahomes over the last
five games is starting to heat up. One hundred passer rating,
sixty eight percent completion percentage. The Chargers offense wasn't good
to start now JK. Dobbins out, Lad McConkie not practicing.
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This was a reasonably anemic offense. It could be worse.
Maybe they'll hang around for the first half, but they're
one in three against teams with winning records. Anyway, They're
very good. They win the games they should win, but
they don't have the ability to beat excellent teams. And
I like the Chiefs. I'll lay the points to win,
twenty seven to seventeen. I think it is a It
(05:34):
could be a rough, rough late afternoon for Justin Herbert
Without Lad McConkie. So I like a lot of favorites.
I like the Vikings at home. Vikings right now, think
they have a shot to be a number one seed.
Dolphins with extra arrest. I think Cleveland's offense will keep
this close. Buffalo is a great December January team. We've
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seen that. And Kansas City with a little extra rest.
Andy Reid off of buy Andy Reid with extra time
is money. And the Chargers. The Chargers defense won that
game against the Falcons. It was not their offense. J.
Mcinny thoughts.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
I agree with all. I just don't know what you
would do. Steelers Browns. I have no idea. What are
the Browns quitting?
Speaker 3 (06:20):
I mean Monday night football at altitude, Steelers extra time
to prepare.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
I don't know it is so great about it. I don't
feel great about the Browns of Jamis.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
But I will say this. You can say what you
want about Jamis Winston. I remember the year before Brady came,
they were scoring a ton of points. Yeah, Jamis. We
say he's like Evil Knievel if he played quarterback. I mean,
it's like crazy, You're like, but I will argue all
day long. He's a more town of Geno Smith like
and Gino's got Gino made Pro Bowls, Gino's big talk
(06:51):
and move. Jamis made throws against Denver's defense, and I
mean thirty two yarders on the sideline that were here, Like,
Jamis has more likely to.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Lose you a game, Jamis Orgino, it's close, but I
think you gotta go Jamis.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Yeah, but again there I you know, Denver's defense had
stifled Mahomes and other quarterbacks. Jamis and Jerry Judy did
whatever they wanted in Denver. So to me, it's like
Jamis is a fascinating Generally, if you get rid of
a quarterback, you're like, he's too small, he's not productive.
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Jamis is like, yeah, we're gonna get rid of this guy.
He's the most productive quarterback in the league. Now sometimes
for the other team, but he's Every ball in the
air can be a touchdown with Jamis, most for you,
some for them. And with that, Emmanuel Sanders, two time
Pro Bowl or twelve years in the NFL, is now
joining us in studio, which we love. Seven playoff appearances
in twelve seasons, so he knows this time of the year,
(07:47):
how you do, my man, It's great.
Speaker 5 (07:50):
You know it's not virtual anymore.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Huh yeah, no, this is great. So we were I
was saying this sort of about Dan Campbell. I'll take
myself for example, when I young, I took more risks,
you know, like if I had I would have I
would have invested in bitcoin. But now I'm gonna go bonds,
I'm gonna do real estate. There's a time in your
life to take bigger risks. And for a football team
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Kansas City, Buffalo, those are really good teams, they don't
need to take huge risks. They got better players. Stay
with Philadelphia. Detroit, in my opinion, is still using the
model from the previous three years when they were hunting,
but now they're at the top of the hill. I
don't love all this fourth down stuff, but the players
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seem to like it.
Speaker 5 (08:34):
Yeah, yeah for me.
Speaker 6 (08:35):
And it's gonna be interesting that take is as Dan
Campbell gets older, will he stick with this philosophy or
will we look back and be like, remember when Dan
Campbell used to do Dan right?
Speaker 7 (08:46):
For me?
Speaker 6 (08:47):
Like I like it, Like in that game versus the Packers,
I would have went forward, you know honestly, though, like
when I when when I was watching the game. I said, man,
kick the field goal, you know, play good defense, get
out of the game. But it was it was fourth
and inches. That's what they do. They they got plays
to be able to do that. So when they did
it and I saw the field goal kicker kick it
and they won, I was like, that's brilliant. My deal
(09:10):
is is this last year when they played against the
Niners in the playoffs, it was a lot of times
that I was like, Man, if you was just kicked
the field goal, you.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Would have been been going to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
You know, It's funny, Emmanuel, do you know the three
teams in the NFL since Dan Campbell got to Detroit,
the three teams that go for it the fewest are
Kansas City, Buffalo and the Niners. That's crazy, the best teams. Yes.
Why so, because when you're again, when you're IBM and
you're looking down at companies, it's one thing when you're
a startup, you're taking big swings to catch up. So
(09:39):
I just wonder if Dan again it worked last night?
Speaker 6 (09:43):
It worked, But what's gonna happen because we're expecting the
Lions to go in the Super Bowl run right, what's
gonna happen when you get in these games in the
playoff moments and those situations come up, and it's like,
you kick the.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
Field goal, you win the game. But that's that's our philosophy.
Speaker 6 (09:57):
We live by the sawd we die by the We
are you willing to die on that mound over that situation?
But again, I'll deal with that when I get there.
Right now, I look like, I mean that play last night,
the situational football day he did last night was the
right play for me.
Speaker 5 (10:12):
I hope in the playoffs it didn't happen.
Speaker 6 (10:13):
Again what happened versus the Niners in terms of just
kicking the field goal and getting out of the game
and going to the Super Bowl and winning Super Bowl
and getting some great hardware.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
So you know Sean Payton and what he has done
with bow Knicks. Now, Bonnicks had sixty one college starts,
so he wasn't a kid like Anthony Richardson who comes
in still doesn't really quite know how to do this
quarterback thing. Bon Knicks had been sec Oregon sixty one
college starts. But watching Bonnicks from week two to now
(10:44):
is like wow, like you tell me you've been in
the huddle you've been at practice with Sean. What's his secret, sauce?
What does he do?
Speaker 6 (10:52):
When I was in New Orleans, I was really impressed
by Sean because we battled a lot of injuries. It
was like during COVID, So I was out, Mike Thomas
was out, and we had rookies that was coming in,
and I was expecting us to kind of really lose,
Like Sean Payton really didn't have too much to work with,
and he won. You know, that was the year that
we had Marquez Callaway. He was there, but it was
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young casts. But those guys were stepping in. There are
rookies and they're balling like Sean Payton was getting them
open and every catching they looked like superstars, you know.
And so it made me have a lot of respect
for Sean because even after I retired, I still sit
back and I think about Sean.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
I'm like, when I.
Speaker 6 (11:29):
Played for him, he was always two or three plays
ahead of the defensive coordinator, like he knows football.
Speaker 5 (11:36):
So now when I'm.
Speaker 6 (11:37):
Looking at bow Knicks and I look at bow Knicks
draft quarterback class, who was is Caleb Jayden Drake?
Speaker 5 (11:43):
And what else are we missing?
Speaker 6 (11:46):
Jj McCarthy if you take those guys right and you
plug them in and you asked them who you want
to be your offensive coordinator right now coming into the league,
I think the majority of those.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
Guys going Sean Payton.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Right.
Speaker 6 (11:58):
So you looking at bow Knicks, you like bo you
hit the jackpie with Sean Payton, Yes, all right, because
you got you got a legendary coach, a legendary office
of coordinator. It may take you a little while to
get there and get familiar with each other, but I
think even personalities, I think that personality is don't click
well too.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
You know it's funny because I said, Russell Wilson is
like hopelessly optimistic. Sean is bottom line right, Sean can
be curt he can be harsh.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
Right.
Speaker 6 (12:22):
You remember the one footage of bot Nick's getting on
Sean Payton right in oposite right, and I and I
grew a lot of respectful both because I said, all right, man,
I watched this, and I'm like, all right, he's very spiritual. Man,
I just want to see that dog in him. I
want to see that dog. So when I saw that side,
I liked the guy because he got that dog in him.
And that dog is that competitive nature. You know, you
can be a good person, but you got to have
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some type of competitive nature. When it's time to ride,
it's time to run.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
So let's talk Russell Wilson. I didn't think. I thought
he would go to Pittsburgh and Justin Fields is very
well liked, super athletic in his athletic prime, and I
thought he would go into that locker room and guys
would be like, that's who we want. And that's kind
of what happened because Russell had the caffin and then
Mike Tomlin with a foreign two record, but Justin Fields like,
(13:07):
I'm gonna go with the old guy, and it got
major pushback, like big bands like this is a mistake
and it has worked. Are you surprised?
Speaker 5 (13:17):
You probably don't remember.
Speaker 6 (13:19):
Last time we spoke, it was on Virtual We're we're
talking about this, should they go with Justin Fils or
Russell Wilson because Mike Tomlin was talking about going with
with with Russell and I said back, I said, I said,
the Stillers with Justin Fields, and I love Justin Fields
the way that he plays, but.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
I don't think that they're super Bowl contenders.
Speaker 6 (13:40):
The Stillers with Russell Wilson to me or super Bowl continued,
they have a shot. And in Denver, I used to
always say Russell's strength is the play action.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
Get him under the center and run play action. And
that's what he did in Seattle.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
By the way, Kyler Murray's good at that too. Arizona's
starting to do that with Kyler.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
So like coaches, sometimes they have a system, but sometimes
you got to fitch your system to the player that
you have. You got to be able to change the
place to your player stress and that's what the Stillers
are doing. You see him going play action. They got
Najie Harrison running back, and they got that defense. So
the Stillers to me is a team that could win
one home game and the next thing, you know, going
the road and they can be they won deep ball
(14:21):
away from beating somebody because they have a defense, they
got a run game, and they got a quarterback who
has the experience. Now, so I think Mike thom now
were looking at it. I think he made the right choice,
and I know that.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
He knows he made the right choice, and it wasn't
an easy one.
Speaker 5 (14:33):
You saw kiss the rest on the forehead, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
I thought that.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
I love you man.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
You like, we talked about that. That was a real moment.
So you played your last year in the league, you
played with Josh Allen. So when Josh came in, I
remember watching him in Wyoming. He played Iowen, Oregon, and
I was told, i think by Greg Cosell. He said,
go watch this kid at Wyoming. He was pretty awful,
had a huge arm. He was like a wild horse
out of the bar, and it was like you just
(14:58):
flying everywhere. But I'm like that dude throws like sixty
five yards running away from running to his left, and
so you knew there was something there. And then early
in his career first year and a half, a lot
of mistakes. Your last year in the league, you played
with him. Do you remember moments could have been a
practice Oh yeah, where he did something and you went, man,
(15:18):
if this guy ever gets it refined, it's gonna be
all time stuff.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
I mean, he was already refined when I got there.
Speaker 6 (15:25):
I remember we played against Kansas City in the regular
season and I had ran a double move a little
outing up and I was running and the corner was
like right here. So I'm thinking, oh, man, if he
hangs this on the inside, like it's an interception, so
like the ball could have been like a deep ball
and let me run into it. He put it on
the line, probably like fifty yards on the line, and
(15:45):
literally I just remember putting my hands out and catching
the ball, and I was like, like I wanted to
celebrate because I felt like I did something, but I
just pointed at Josh, like, bro, like what type of
throw was that? And that's the god und truth, Like,
I mean, he's he's a special talent. And what a
lot of people don't understand about Josh is how big
and strong and physical he is. Like in order for
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Josh to get going, he needs that physicality.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Andrew Lucky used to say he liked getting hit once.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
It makes you feel like you're in the game.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
He wanted to get I mean, Andrew was like a linebacker.
Josh is built like a defensive.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
Percent and he's alive, fast and people think and he's
one of the best teammates that I've ever been around.
One thing that I like about Josh, even right now
with the situation, he is when me and Diggs was there,
like we were the veteran receivers, right, Josh was kind
of leaning on us a little bit for leadership and
the et cexual session. Now he's got these young guys
and he's the leader of them. Right, there is no
(16:39):
there is no egos in the room, Like it's like, hey,
crack that safety, don't ask any questions. And I think
that that was the best thing for Josh, and I
think that we're seeing the best version of Josh because
of it.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
I think he was even a little reckless with you.
He was still would have games right when you and
Stefan were there where you were like, oh, he'd make
red zone throws. You're like, Josh, he don't make those anymore, because.
Speaker 6 (17:00):
You know what it is is when you're the main,
main leader, Yeah, you feel like you have a bigger
responsibility on your shoulders to go out and perform, which
I think is really good for Josh, and I think
we're sending the best version of him.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
So I love Green Bay. I feel am manual. They're
the youngest great team in the league, and I think
if you take the best five, I've said this, I
think Green Bay is the best team in the NFL
that can't win a Super Bowl. I think they're too young.
I could be totally wrong. Now you're right, Is that
how you feel?
Speaker 5 (17:30):
That's how I feel. That's how I feel.
Speaker 6 (17:32):
I think it's not a from a player's perspective with
Green Bay right now.
Speaker 5 (17:38):
I think it's an experience perspective. Right, I think.
Speaker 6 (17:41):
Two or three years down the road, I think maybe two,
Like they're gonna be right there. Because I love this quarterback,
Jordan Love. He's one of my favorite quarterbacks to watch
play the game.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
No, he is a talent.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
Yes, he is a talent.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
I love.
Speaker 6 (17:54):
I love him in the pocket like I got my
son playing quarterback and I tell him, I watch this
guy because that's how I want you to play the game.
Because I love the way he played. I love what
Matt Lafloyd's is doing. But I just think from the
experience standpoint, they're two years or a year away from
being where we need him to be. But they're good footballs.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
They don't have if you really look at them, they
really don't have many players in their prime, whereas Detroit's
got about eight. Yeah, they're just by next year Thanksgiving.
Jordan Loves probably entering his prime. One is probably entering
the first year of his prime. Yep.
Speaker 5 (18:25):
And it's gonna be fun to watch finally really fun.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
To watch Bill Belichick as a college football coach. Story
today he's interested in Carolina. The idea of him groveling
the recruits. Do you think it works?
Speaker 6 (18:38):
You know, I don't like to keep talking about Belichick
and his twenty four year old girlfriend, but man, he
everybody said, and if he brings the Patriot way to college,
it's not gonna work.
Speaker 5 (18:48):
And I don't think it's gonna work.
Speaker 6 (18:50):
But I think that, you know, Belichick's doing TV now,
like I think he's getting a new energy about himself.
Like I think he's loving life even more now. So
like you know, someone asked me the question and like
is it a good fit?
Speaker 5 (19:01):
Like I would love.
Speaker 6 (19:02):
To turn on the TV on Saturdays and see Bill
Belichick coaching. We all would, but football, I want to
see it happen for football.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
I think it would have worked ten years ago when
you had one recruiting period. Now you have two. The
transfer portal, the nil Even Nick Saban's like, oh yeah,
And that's.
Speaker 6 (19:20):
A good point because Nick Saban said, I'm righty here
because it turned into a business because it.
Speaker 5 (19:24):
Changed on him, right.
Speaker 6 (19:26):
He was used to getting the recruits and saying, oh
I got you for four years or if you enter
a portal and there's no money talk, Bill Belichick is
coming into a situation. College football now is different, like
the money that these guys are being thrown out, Like.
Speaker 5 (19:40):
I got someone that I'm close to. They just offered
him seven hundred and fifty thousand for one year, So
the money.
Speaker 6 (19:47):
The college football is now a business, and Belichick is
used to running NFL teams and he's been running like
a business. So it's gonna be interesting to see if
he does take the college route how good he can be,
because it's not gonna be that big of an adjustment
for him. I don't think because it is talking money now.
But you know, I think he has to get a younger,
young staff around him to go out and recruit. Right,
(20:09):
it comes down to a staff. It comes down to
a staff. But he he has to be the type
of coach that young players or young coaches want to
be around you though, right, like they want to be
around you.
Speaker 5 (20:20):
The energy has to be good.
Speaker 6 (20:21):
But I think that he's starting to change, Like even
watching him on TV, like see how how funny is,
seeing how cool he is, Like I think he has
the personality to do it.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
If you want to.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Great senior man. Hey, good nice on the facility this morning.
Thank you appreciated that. We always love having you. So
when your hair stop, Bible put you on for.
Speaker 6 (20:38):
Sure man, thanks for having me. Hey ghost things man,
there you got some youh one more heard.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
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Speaker 1 (20:52):
Fans complain, and I've always laughed about like NBA fan
who complains about officiating but they had thirteen turnovers and
miss sixty free throws, like people make mistakes. Last night,
A lot of fans Packer fans are like, oh the officiating.
Jared Goff's knee hit the ground. That shouldn't count on
fourth and one. It's not college. In college, you're down
(21:15):
in the pros a quarterback unless he gives himself up
on a slide or it's an intentional knee. That was
clearly not an intentional knee. Jared Goff is not down college. Yes,
pro no, so you know. And by the way, refs
do miss things later in this game, and I don't
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consider it a big mess. But earlier in the game,
Jordan loves Head got slapped. Folks. It's a level of
regulated violence in this league. Quarterbacks get hit three or
four times a game, and that they don't they call half,
they don't call others. That's just you probably get that
in Green Bay, you don't in the road. That's just
a go either way call. The game is not officiated perfectly.
(21:57):
On Monday Night Football, there was a real late down
third or fourth down for the Cleveland Browns if you recall,
and the refs missed it like number seventy seven. Teller
clearly was like a beat ahead of everybody. It was
a misscall. It happens. I think the league, I mean,
there's certain things you cannot replay. Now. I've always had
a belief that in under two minutes you should have
(22:18):
what I would call the umbrella replay. It covers everything.
But I don't want it to be the NBA with
the last three minutes. Two minutes can take thirty five minutes.
So you know the idea that the NFL like this
idea that oh it's rigged for Kansas City. It wouldn't
be Andy Reid, Steve Spagnola, Chris Jones, Patrick Mahomes wouldn't
be that. Listen that the head slap to Jordan Love.
(22:42):
I see one every weekend. Some get it, some don't.
What they're really watch is when a big guy puts
his weight on a quarterback. That's where the injuries happen.
On a head slap like that, it's not you don't
get a ton of injuries on that. That's what they're
trying to do. Take injuries out of football. I mean,
you could call holding on virtually every play, they don't.
(23:05):
You could call pass interference thirty times a game, they don't.
Some stuff slides, and it's a very murky gray line.
Here's Jared goff On falling down last night on that
big fourth down, got.
Speaker 8 (23:18):
Tripped up there a little bit, and that feeling when
your quarterback not the first time that's happened in my career.
You try to like stretch out and give it to him.
I was, I was even probably flip it to him
if I couldn't hand it to him. But made it happen,
made it work, and David did the rest. In talks
about the athletics, it's a show, yes, yeah, yeah, real
athletic to fall down on a routine handoff.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
So for the record, Jared Goff says, yeah, this happened
to be multiple times in the NFL, and it's legal
and you're not down. You can give yourself up on
a slide, or if you kneel down intentionally. Yeah. I
don't think Jared Goff was in Yeah, or if the
Packers touched him when he kneeled. But in that instance,
I couldn't believe the Internet's imploding like this happened. I
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see it all the time. How many times in a
big spot in an NFL game in your life have
you seen a quarterback like the right guard steps on
his foot and he falls. You can get right back
up and throw. As long as you're not touched. You
can kneel as a quarterback intentionally. Obviously, Jared Goff on
a fourth and one wasn't kneeling intentionally. Here's j Mack
(24:23):
with the news.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
No, no, this is the herd line news.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
All right, friend, let's start with college football Texas Georgia.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
I know you're fired up for this game.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
It is a rematch and the last time they played,
Carson Beck was awful, three interceptions and Sark decided to
bench Quinn.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
Viewers for a few series.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Remember Arch Manning came in for a quote unquote spark
well Sark was asked about his quarterback situation heading into
the SEC Championship. He said he fully believes in yours,
but knows Manning can provide a spark if needed.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
I'm almost certain we'll.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
See Arch Banning in game he played last week against
A and m A. He runs well.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
I think Texas had a very clunky offensive performance against
the yaggiest spot.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
Though on the road.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
No, no, no question. They're gonna want to redeem themselves.
And Georgia played an eight overtime game and their defense
looked gassed throughout that game. So one of the many
reasons college overtimes are insane. You want overtime to be
quick because injuries mount the longer game goes on. So
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George's banged up, they're exhausted. I think you're gonna see
points in this gay everybody else thinks it's low scoring.
I think you're gonna see a worn out Georgia defense,
but an offense that Carson Becks played well in the
last three games.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
This is a if you know, NFL fans should check
this game out because there's your two quarterback prospects.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
Yes, that could go first round.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
I know we are off to me Yours has more upside,
but I I don't love either of these as NFL quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
So like bow Knicks was super consistent in Oregon every
game he's delivered seventy five percent.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Of these guys are all over the map.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Yeah, they're kind of still all over now. Bo Nicks
is a little older, right, Carson Beck is still a
young guy, a young kid. This is I believe his
second year starting. We don't have that much info on him,
Like Nick started for how many years they had.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Like side like Carson Beck last year at this time,
but a lot of that was Brock Bowers and Lab
McCarney and and so this year I've seen him without
those players and he's come back down to earth.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Yeah. Yeah, Like, like the Jets are going to be
looking for a quarterback. I mean, what if they're drafting
at twelve? Is that two ritch for Quinn Yours?
Speaker 1 (26:35):
In my opinion, yes, Now it's a weak top of
the first round. It's a good draft for about four rounds,
four and a half rounds. It's not great late, It's
not great at the top. So Quinn Ewers because he
plays quarterback. Could absolutely go if some offensive coach sees
him and thinks I can make something of him. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Remember this time last year, JJ McCarthy, there was some
some chatter he could go first round.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
Nobody thought he was going top twelve, did they?
Speaker 3 (26:58):
I mean, McCarthy, would you had you know, you had
the almost interception against Alabama like the first play and
then rebound and finished good.
Speaker 5 (27:05):
Yeah, this should be.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
A good quarterback draft. Next up, Colin, let's go to
Bill Belichick.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
You talked about his North Carolina interview last hour. Well
along with that, Okay, now you know what this is.
This is information season. A report from Dan Graziano at
ESPN said some field Belichick quote won't insist on the
same level of organization control as he had with the Patriots,
(27:31):
But of course not everyone believes that.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
I am very curious which you believe.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
I would not hire Bill Belichick if he has anything
to say with personnel, would not hire him.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
Said that, by the way he apparently wanted said no,
we're the Atlanta Falcons. Now, by the way, first team
that we all thought first place.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
They look they've underachieved at this point.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Michael Pennix comes on in the half and pulls out
a win over Minnesota. You're gonna say, what a brilliant move.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
And what is the line if and butts were candy
and nuts or so? I forget it. But let's be real.
They had a shot at Bill Belichick Atlanta.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Nobody else wanted Belichick because allegedly of the control thing.
I wonder if maybe that Sansus softened from Belichick.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
He's not willing to totally be in control. Are going
to college?
Speaker 3 (28:20):
He interviewed to college. You got to collaborate with the ad.
You gotta work with the other coaches in sports. You
gotta work with the collective.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
And I don't see Bill pivoting to a great collaborator
after all these years of dominating.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
I just not Tiger doesn't change his stripe. Look at him.
Come on, he's in there, twenty five year old. What
he's changing.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
That's different. I'll just say that's different.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
Just leave it there.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Okay, all right, we'll go to the final story, and
I guess.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
It's time we talk about awards.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Right.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Well, this gentleman on the screen dominating brock Bowers. What
a season he's had. So this is a long season. Right,
So the first five weeks, Jayden Daniels was a lock.
Then your guy bo Nitz came on strong. Caleb Williams
kind of spot. But how about Antonio Pierce's tight end
Brock Powers. He's making a push and here's Pierce on
brock Bowers.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Now this one, this guy's different.
Speaker 9 (29:08):
This is different because when you getting matched up on
the number one corner, when you're getting double team throughout
the field, Nate, we're goun to throwing the ball. We're
gonna keep throwing the ball. And he's one of those matchups.
It's really like a running back. He's a receiver with
the balls. And yeah, he has a ball in his head.
I mean he's plashing people and he's skilled enough. Obviously
his his catch radius. I can't really speak high enough
about this player.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
I think he's the best tight end prospect. I think
Kellen Winslow junior when he came into the NFL, and
he had some personal issues, but I thought he was
an all time great prospect. You I think this guy is.
I mean, my buddy runs the organization. He's like he
can beat number one corners. I think, I mean, look
at it, look at how he runs. He's Josh Allen
(29:49):
at tight end. You're gonna get one of those a
decade in the league. He is literally different. Yeah. By
the way, Kirby Smart has told people in all his
years coaching Georgia that was his best player. He is
Josh Allen as a tight end. He just as I'm sorry,
he is a freak.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
So the Raiders have lost eight in a row.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
But if you look at the target share for Bowers
the last four games, fourteen targets, ten targets sixteen, they're
force feeding him. He's gonna be a foundational piece for Welders.
And here's the thing. If you're the Raiders, because Meyers
the other tight.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
End, Okay, Koby Myers.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
No, they have Jacoby Myers, who I like, but they
have a left tackle. They have a superstar in Brock Bowers,
and I mean a superstar, another good tackle tight end.
I don't think they're a massive rebuild. I think if
the Raiders got Shaduer Sanders, I think they're very interesting
day one because I think they play hard and play
(30:46):
good defense with Antonio. If you gave me Shader Sanders,
he has the freak of his generation at tight end.
That young quarterbacks and tight ends are money. That's I mean,
I just think the Raiders get the quarter back right
and maybe one other perimeter weapon offensively watch out.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
So you had Brady and Gronk together, you have Mahomes
and Kelsey. We know tight ends are cheaper than these
deva wide receivers who want to be the highest made
in the game. Maybe this is a potential new model
Shoulder and Bowers and oh my gosh, we got something
really cooking it and he is different.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Dude.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Jmak with the news.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by. The
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Speaker 1 (31:29):
New Urban Meyer stops by last hour. Oregon and Penn State.
I like the Ducks. A lot of people are on
Penn State. I think Texas beats Georgia. Georgia off that
insane eight overtime game. I think, I don't how is
Georgia gonna have all their energy and all their pieces.
I think that's just asking a lot.
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Fox Urban Meyer Last Hour. You know, I say this
all the time, either to my kids or in my business.
I own nobody solves anything. There's never been a problem
solved pointing a finger. You just got to own it, right,
(32:50):
like you gotta own your stuff. And sometimes you know,
I watch fans always want to point fingers. I saw
you know do it after they lost the election. It's
finger pointing at you, dumb voters, who did you look
in the mirror? Solve problems by inspecting your decisions and
looking in the mirror. That's how you solve political issues,
(33:14):
business issues. So everybody wants to blame officials. This week,
this past weekend, we saw something the officials are absolutely
worried about. The Trevor Lawrence slide where he slides. I
thought he slid late and he got whacked. And I
was with Tom Brady who came on the show. I
(33:36):
think there is some responsibility to Trevor Lawrence and quarterbacks.
He slides late and defensive players feel trapped. They don't
know what to do. But you saw the league not
only throw all flag but kick the player out for
almost a month. That's what they're worried about. They're not
you know, they're not losing sleep. They don't want head
(33:57):
slaps to Jordan Love, that's not what they want. But
the NFL, because of the style of play and the
regular level of violence, they could throw a flag every play.
They want to keep the game going. But that that
on Trevor Lawrence, where I think the quarterback slid late.
They kicked the guy out for almost a month. Tom
(34:18):
Brady talked about that incident.
Speaker 7 (34:21):
Defensive players have to be aggressive, that's their nature. I
always tried to be aggressive on offense. We tried to
a block aggressively, and at the same time the defense
tries to tackle aggressively. So I don't know there's an
aspect to me that I think the quarterbacks and the
certainly the quarterbacks need to take better care of themselves
the aspect again for a play caller, there's more design
(34:43):
runs for quarterbacks ever now than in the history of
the NFL. So are we really trying to protect quarterbacks?
Because if you are trying to do it through the rules,
then why are the offensive coordinators not protecting their quarterbacks
by keeping them under the pocket? And maybe they fine
or pen lie is a quarterback for sliding late, you know,
and say, look, we if we don't want these hits
(35:04):
to take place, we've got to penalize the offense and
the defense.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Yeah, and I don't. I kind of sided with Tom
here and Drew Brees came on two days later and
also said, you know, there's a responsibility by the offensive player.
What you're asking an offensive player to do. Think about
what you're asking them to do. Choreography. You can't even
move your right finger or it's illegal. You can have
(35:31):
a legal motion. You're lining up wrong. Everything about offense.
It's kind of brain power lining up multiple audibles, total
absolute choreography. Well, that's that's not what defense is. Defensive
guys can move whatever they want to do before the snap.
They don't have to be lined up. They can move
anywhere they want to move. Their job is to blow
(35:51):
stuff up, create chaos. So the mindset of an offensive
player is efficiency and core biography and playing fast and alert.
The mindset of a defensive player is I'm gonna mess
this thing up. I'm gonna blow this play up. So
you've got a different mindset playing it. So you're asking
(36:12):
a Houston Texan who's a very aggressive player. He's running
full speed at Trevor Lawrence and then Lawrence slides a
foot late, and he's already leaning in. So i mean,
look at look when he slides. Do it again really
quickly here, so freeze it. When he starts to slide, boom. Okay,
(36:33):
the defensive player is already getting down. He's already low.
He is already in the process. His knee isn't hit yet.
Trevor Lawrence is not officially down, his knee is not touched.
The defensive player, if you look, he is already with
Trevor Lawrence already going down. He's lower than Trevor Lawrence.
(36:55):
He is moving in for the shot, and now let
it go bang bang From there to the hit less
than half a second So just think what you just
saw the freeze frame boom. That is that is three
tenths of a second, and you are looking for the
(37:17):
perfect hit. When you freeze that slide, his knee is
not down and that defensive player is already below him.
That means he is a missile. That missile has been
fired to the player. Now, if Trevor two and a
half to three feet earlier slides, then it's like, Okay,
that's ake. But I don't view it as a complete
(37:38):
cheap shot. I view it as a late hit. But
I'm I'm with Brady on this thing. I think it's
much closer. And you have to remember, you know, it's
like you're a little bit of a fighter pilot on defense.
There's risk. It takes a certain level of courage, you know.
Not football players aren't all the same. Some potiitia positions
(38:00):
quarterback are very much about mechanics and rhythm. Some cornerback,
for instance, like a Sauce Gardener, it's about confidence because
you're gonna get beat every corner in this league. Patrick
Sertan against Cleveland got beat badly and he's the best
corner in football. But you can't lose your confidence. So
for a defensive player, a corner, it's all about confidence.
(38:25):
You can't lose it when you get beat, because you're
gonna get beat. The best in the business get beat.
The best left tackles in football don't get beat that much.
So that's a technical position. Offensive lines tend to be
brute strength and technical cohesion. That's not Secondaries can be
cohesion playing well together in space. But every football player
(38:49):
has a different task, a different assignment, and a different mindset.
And these defensive guys now, they don't make as much money.
They don't want to pay safeties. You mean, even when
you get to be like Jidarius Snead Kansas and you're
a great corner, they move off him. You'll send him
to a bad team. I mean, that's the reality. NFL
teams now want to pay one defensive player. Go look
(39:09):
at Kansas City. They'll pay Chris Jones. Then they'll just
keep their defense young and keep drafting. They're spending money, quarterback,
tight end, guard, right tackle, left tackle. Teams will spend money.
Now look at the Rams. They're not paying anybody on defense.
They're not They let Jalen Ramsey go. I mean, they
they're only paying off it. Tight end makes money, Cooper
(39:32):
Cup makes money, Matt Stafford makes money. Rob Havenstein right
tackle makes money. Rams are paying four or five offensive guys.
They're paying nobody on defense. They just keep drafting and
keeping it cheap. They had Ernest Jones. Jay Mack used
to make funny. Rams had this great interior linebacker, Ernest Jones,
excellent player, second third, best player. Let him go, so
defensive guys now can get paid. Ernest Jones comes in
(39:54):
from like Texas, A and M third round guy, overachieves
he's a great player. They let him go. Tyler Higgsby
a good tight end, they sign him. So these defensive
guys now are thinking, man, none of us get paid
unless you're like Max Crosby or you're Chris Jones. You know,
if you're an elite pass rusher of Bosa, you're getting
paid everybody else. You got to make an impression. J
(40:19):
Mack doesn't like this.
Speaker 4 (40:20):
Do you think that's a good model.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Huh, It's just it is what it is.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
Well no, no, no, that's what everybody's doing now because
they think, oh it.
Speaker 4 (40:27):
Worked for the Chiefs. The Chiefs with Patrick Mahomes, he
we don't have to pay anybody.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
We don't need a wide receiver. We could just pay
two defenders. Basically is what they're doing.
Speaker 4 (40:36):
Just because it work for the Chiefs is not gonna
work for everybody.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
So I would, if I were smart, I would try
to do things differently. I would be looking outside the box,
like what the forty nine ers have done with this
brock Purty experiment. And that's, by the way, the most
fascinating quarterback decision this offseason column.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
It's a decision they don't have to make, say, mister Purdy.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
I'm not trying to get fired. I like my job,
but I cannot stand when you say that. Collin, Oh
my gosh.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
They we need you to be prety perty patient
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