February 12, 2025 • 42 mins
Colin talks to Greg Cosell about the Eagles dominate win over the Chiefs and what powers this Super Bowl Champion
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
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Speaker 2 (00:35):
J Mac.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Remember before the season started, there was that clip on
HBO Max of Joe Shane, the GM and John Mora
in the office of the Giants talking about, well, if
we don't if we don't sign Saquon and John Mars,
I just hope he doesn't go to Philadelia. Oh remember that? Yeah, yeah,
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And I was thinking about it. He's only twenty eight,
so it'd be one thing if you dumped your amazing
wife and she upgraded and then the next year she
won power Ball and the following year she moved next door.
It's the proximity to the Giants. It's not that Saquan's great.
I don't even think Howie Roseman thought he would be
this great. I thought he would be good, but how
he wanted to stick it to the Giants and they
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needed a running back. But it's the proximity. If he
played for the Broncos or Chargers or Raiders, it just
wouldn't matter. But you put him on a great team
that's across the street, and it's so easy for Saquon
Barkley to you know, rub it in the Giant's face.
But he was on the Tonight Show last night and
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he continues to be all class about that HBO Max
piece of tape that that made its way out there.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
The people that brought me in.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
But after the game, so many guys and people from
the organization reached out to me. I was super happy to,
you know, once with my birthday and see me hold
a Lombardi Trophy up because they know hard work that.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
I put in.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
So yeah, just you know, that's that clip is in
the past, and I'm happy to be egoing. I look
at it as like Marshall Falk one of my favorite
running bets. You know, he played for the Coast, but
he's remembered as a ram So now I'm just trying
to be Remember as Eden.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
There was always sort of a rule in pro sports,
especially the NFL, don't trade within the division. You know,
if you're gonna trade Russell Wilson and Seattle, get him
to Denver, even though it didn't work out, there's always
the chance it would work out. What's remarkable is is
that you knew, you knew Jalen Hurts could play. I mean,
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you saw all the weapons. Philadelphia had, their O line,
their tight ends, A J. Brown, Devonte Smith. You knew
that if if Saquon Barkley ended up on that roster,
it was going to be lightning, it was going to
be transformative. And they still they still did it. And uh,
you know, people are talking about the Luca deal, and
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I understand that he's a running back, probably only has
like three great years left, He's had a few injuries,
but when you consider all the component went into it, proximity,
they're in your division, they had a great O line,
tight end, receiver, and quarterback, and they kind of needed
a star running back to make it one of the
all time loaded offenses. And you still let it go.
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And the other thing is, I remember if you go
back to the beginning. We kept saying, they have a
choice here. Are they going to pay Saquon or are
they going to make Daniel Jones? And we knew quarterback
was really important. But I think what Saquon proved, and
Derek Henry proved, and Josh Jacobs proved, and Aaron Jones proved,
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and all these running back JK. Dobbins when he was
healthy proved, the running back remains undervalued. And you can
I mean, Baltimore and Philly had great years. They were
led by running backs. That's not a shot by the way,
Jalen hirschel Lamar, but those teams felt like on a
lot of Sundays they were running their offense through the
running back. So and Barkley's just such a classy guy.
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He he doesn't have to be a good guy in
all this, Like he could just roll his eyes and
be bitter. But Saquonzo is above board. He's always great.
He's always classy, and it's like, hey man, I'm just
gonna be the best guy can be. But it is
it's you know, you start looking around at some of
these moves in sports, and Jay Matcott sometimes I don't
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we don't appreciate this. There are big mistakes made on
a regular basis in all these leagues, Like massive mistakes
made now. Sometimes when Shoheo Tani goes Angels to Dodgers,
they couldn't afford him. I mean, he's a seven hundred
million dollar player. The Angels don't drive that revenue. You
knew when he was an Angel. After about year two,
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you're like, yeah, he's gonna end up up the I five,
he's gonna end up being a Dodger a Yankee. Like,
there are times that you just can't afford it. We
know that to be true. Sometimes you get trapped at
a salaries situation. But in this situation, like you had
a choice bad quarterbacks, star back, he just made a
bad choice.
Speaker 5 (05:06):
I mean you combine that with what just happened in
the NBA with Luka Dancic, and to me, I go
into this NFL offseason thinking, literally, anything could happen. I'm
not gonna be shocked by anything some of these decisions
the owners are making NFL, NBA.
Speaker 6 (05:21):
You're just like, what's happening? Like could Aaron Rodgers?
Speaker 5 (05:23):
Seriously, could he be on the forty nine ers next
year starting quarterback Week one.
Speaker 6 (05:27):
Sure, I don't see why not.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
Could he go across town to play for the Giants
if they can't get Matt Safford, I'm gonna stick it
to the Jets.
Speaker 6 (05:33):
I'm gonna show it I can win.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
Why not if the Giants don't get a quarterback in
the draft, I don't see why not. To me, anything
is in play now again, that Luca thing really changed
my outlook.
Speaker 6 (05:43):
And you go back to the Barkley one, it's.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Like, Wow, wild stuff. Greg Hosell forty five years NFL films,
you know what I found interesting?
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Now?
Speaker 1 (05:57):
It's a blowout, right, So you think to yourself, there's
not much to say. But the tape always tells a
more in depth story than what we watched. I had
said to you multiple times this year. There were moments,
drives and quarters when I would watch Philadelphia's offense and say,
how do they ever punt? Jalen is viewed as not
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a great pocket quarterback, But can I defend him here?
On the throws they ask him to make, like the
sideline stuff, he's very good at it.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Maybe what does the film say?
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Bait?
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Okay, you tell me what's the film say?
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Well, We're gonna have to get to the defense in
a minute because it was really a defensive game. But
what Jalen Hurts is exceptionally good at as he throws
the ball outside the numbers really really well. That's his game.
And he made that third and seven back shoulder throw
to aj Brown that was as pretty as you could
make a throw. That's his game. And obviously the long
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touchdown to Smith that was set up all throughout the game.
That was their seventh play out of the pistol formation.
The previous six were runs and then they came with
the play action after the Chiefs turned it over on downs.
But he also made a couple of other really good throws.
There was one third down and this will never appear
in a highlight, but it was a nine yard completion
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i believe on third and eight to DeVonta Smith where
the Chiefs tried to change the picture pre snapped to
post snap and he read it immediately and he hit
his back foot and delivered the ball. So yeah, he
played in many ways. It was a Jalen Hurts game,
very efficient. And one other point to make which you
can't ever overlook, is the run game element with Jalen.
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He had three runs, yes, in the second half. A
couple of times they spied him and he beat the spy.
Those are backbreakers, those are moral breakers, morale breakers for
a defense, and that's a major part of his game.
And he has such a good feel for that, Colin,
and that's you know, we know that the game has
changed a bit now in terms of quarterbacks, and these
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kinds of plays are so important games.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
It felt like, well, let's talk pivot to the Eagles defense.
It felt like they were winning every snap up front,
and not only every snap, every player was winning. It
was a complete dominance. I can remember Brady facing the
New York Giants would talk and straight hand at Ocu Minora,
and I can remember the New England Patriots really struggling
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with the defensive front four. This was that on HGH.
I mean, that was this on jet fuel. What does
the tape say? How were they able to generate that
without blitzing?
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Well, you know, it's funny you say that because I'm
watching the tape, and normally when I watched tape, Colin,
I try to think about the process, like what made
Vic Fangio As he started to prepare to play the Chiefs,
which of course was two weeks ago, think that, okay,
I can essentially just rush my four down linemen, I
can play it of a two high safety structure every
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snap in the game, which is what they did. And
so more than seventy five percent of their snaps came
with two high safeties. And why am I doing that?
You know? Why do I think that's the best way
to go? And I think the answer is pretty simple.
They felt that they were so much better athletically in
all ways than the offensive line for the Chiefs. The
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Chiefs have three players on their own line that are
really not good enough to be starters in this league.
And the Eagles just were better upfront. And then they
started these multiple stunt concepts in the second quarter, and
that's where the athleticism also really showed up. And they were,
in a sense, daring the Chiefs to run the ball
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because they were playing all these two high safety structure
concepts and the Chiefs would just not run the ball.
The Chiefs had twenty offensive plays in the first half,
three of them were runs by running backs. They gained
twenty three yards Colin on twenty offensive plays in the
first half.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
The one thing the Chiefs did was well was stop
Saquon Barkley, which, by the way, nobody did well all year.
What is the one blueprint teams could take from that
watching Casey's defense against saque because they bottled them up.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Yeah, they didn't do anything you would think as special.
They did not load the box, as most people probably assume.
They had a couple of run blitzes on first down
here and there. They very often lined up in a
too deep shell and then they just had a safety
immediately dropped down if the ball was snapped and make
it appear that there was a gap that was open
and the safety would fill the gap. But contrary to
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what people think, they did not load the box. In fact,
their D line actually played very well in the run game.
They beat up the Eagles O line at times and
therefore made plays where they just won one on one matchups.
So I don't think there's a blueprint here necessarily. As
I said, they did run blitz on occasion on early downs.
Trankle was a factor in this, and he's a good player,
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but there wasn't anything where you went, oh my god,
I've never seen that before.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Yeah, well I did think and I said before the game,
I thought Kansas City when you can, I liked their
front seven defensively. I think it's twitchy. I think it's active.
Oh yeah, I think it's really really good. I think
they got worn out because they were on the field
the entire first half, so.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Yeah, they I mean the Eagles had the ball for yeah,
thirty seven minutes. The Eagles had the ball in the game,
and they went on a really long drive in the
third quarter. That basically look, the Chiefs tried to come
out to start the third quarter and run the ball
a little bit because they knew they needed to even
they were down. They were down twenty four, and then
when they had to punt, the Eagles went on a
long drive and then all of a sudden, there were
four minutes left in the third quarter, and then it
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was over in terms of any kind of running game.
But the Chiefs just did not run the ball in
the first half, and the Eagles, you know, d Line
just dominated the game.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Travis Kelce, what does the film say.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Not a factor in the game at all. You know,
he was forced to block on occasion, he's not very
good at it, and he was just not a factor
in the pass game. Their past game never got into
any kind of rhythm at all, Colin. They just could
not develop any sense of timing rhythm, and Mahomes was
unable to make the Mahomes kinds of plays that were
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used to seeing. The only one he really made came
when he threw the touchdown to Worthy, I guess late
in the third quarter. But through the first half they
really bottled him up. They kept him from getting outside
the pocket. The one time he got outside the pocket,
he ended up throwing the interception to Cooper Dejene, which
was phenomenal defense. I thought the Eagles on the back
end played with incredible discipline and incredible route awareness. I
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thought Blankenship and it won't show up in the box score.
I thought Blankenship played an unbelievably good game.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
What did you make of Patrick mahomes performance.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
I thought as the game progressed, and it happened pretty quickly,
he started to play a little fast. I don't think
he was seeing things particularly clearly. There were times I
thought that his drop did not sync up with the routes.
Don't forget how many plays he makes outside of structure.
You know, I've had defensive coaches in the league. Again,
this is not me saying this. I've had defensive coaches
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who've played against him say that he's not a great
progression reader. That's not the strength of his game. So
when he's unable to make those special plays because his
spatial awareness is as good as anybody in the league,
and maybe as good as anybody we've seen, but those
plays did not occur, so they could never get into
a timing and rhythm within their pass game.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Yeah, I'll throw this out there. One of the things
I always felt Brady could win a game when he
didn't have the best hand. He didn't have to have
pocket aces or a full house. Tom would just figure
out ways to win field position, shortened routes, manipulate. I
felt watching the game that they came in with a
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game plan and didn't alter much. Did the film say
that for Kansas City.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Well, there were a couple of play calls I'm actually
going to show one when we get to it that
were actually really interesting play calls, but the pass rush
prevented them from being executed. And you know that when
that happens, you know you can have a really nice
route concept, route combination that breaks down the defense because
they knew what they were going to mostly get from
vic Fanjo's defense because he's such a quarters maven and
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he works off of that. So they knew what they
were going to get and they were able to attack
it at times, but they just couldn't get the ball
out because of pressure. And the pressure was the huge,
huge part of the game. And with Tuney at left tackle,
with Caliendo at left guard, and Taylor at right tackle,
those were three players that they just could not handle.
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The Eagles. And then, as I said, they started all
these multiple stunt concepts to accentuate their athleticism. They started
doing that in the second quarter. I think the first
one came on the Degene interception or turned for a touchdown,
and they just started doing more and more of that,
and it was really really difficult for the Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
All lie, all right, show us your big play from
the game and what it means.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Yeah, I chose this play. Make it a little different,
and we can start the play now. This was third
and three on their second possession. Okay, so the game
was only seven to nothing, And this is an example
of what I'm talking about. This was actually a really
cool play design by Andy Reid. And his staff, and
they just couldn't execute it because of pressure. So what
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you're going to see here is Mahomes in the gun.
Now that's Worthy, who's offset in the backfield. They tried
to get him in the game early. And what you're
going to see from the Eagles is there going to
be in that sort of four across umbrella coverage which
they lined up in to start every single play in
the game. The corners were off, okay, and in Vic
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Fangio's defense, in a cover four look, the corners always
stay with one vertical the outside receivers when they run vertical.
This this became a Cover four shell. Okay. Now Worthy's going
to be the motion guy here, and what he's going
to end up doing is he's going to run a
go route down the sideline. And they knew based on
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the Cover four coverage that the defender that would have
to run with him would be Zach Bond, a great player,
had a great year, but he can't run with Worthy.
So let's just focus on these two guys from this
angle and you'll see exactly what I'm talking about. Remember
this was third and three on the second possession. The
game was not at a hand, so you can see
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that Worthy runs by him. This was the design of
the play and if Mahomes had time, it could well
have been a touchdown. But now let's go to what
this game was ultimately all about, Colin, and you're going
to see Coulz. They emptied the backfield. You had Tony
one on one with Sweat, Okay, because Worthy was in
the backfield, they emptied him out. You get the one
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on one matchup, and Sweat's phenomenal here with his one
arm stab and he's able to clear the edge and
you can see toward the top of the screen that
Worthy hadn't really gotten into the route yet. So that's
where Mahomes wanted to go, but he couldn't because of
the pass rush pressure and he ends up having to
run out of the pocket and throw it in complete it.
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So I thought this was very telling early in the
game because they designed a really good play to take
advantage of the Eagles defense that could well have been
a touchdown. Mahomes usually doesn't miss those throws if he
has time in the pocket, and they just couldn't execute
it because of the pass rush.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Good stuff, Greg co sal We got free agency coming up,
draft stuff. By the way, a tip for our audience.
You're always good at giving me stuff a year out.
When do you really start deep diving on the draft
or you already done that.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
I'm already into it. For instance, I've done three quarterbacks
that I'm done with. I've done Ward, I've done Sanders,
and I've done Dart. I'm done with those guys. I'm
actually watching today. I was watching a really interesting guy
that I was told about, and I know, you know
college foot. I was watching Tyler Schuck at Louisville, who's
been around block a few times. Yep, he's a fascinating guy. Colin,
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fascinating guy. Yep.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
We'll keep our eye on that and more. Greg cosel
NFL Films forty five years. Thanks Greg, appreciate.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
It, Thank Mas, Colin appreciators always.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
You bet, you and I both love the draft.
Speaker 5 (18:20):
Interesting that he's already looked at Jackson Dart. There is
some chatter he could be a first.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Round pack Well, it's I will tell you this. It
is a year in which many believe the second, third,
and fourth round quarterbacks, depending on where they land, because
the quarterbacks that are at the top of the draft
are not transformative and they're going to bad teams, whereas
you get Riley Leonard goes to the Rams and sits
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behind Stafford for two years. That what you're getting is
a guys and this kid from Louisville. There's a handful
of quarterbacks that if they go third round late and
they end up on San Francisco or they end up
on Detroit, like, for instance, the Lions are a great example.
If the Lions say to themselves, we need to be
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more athletic. Think about the Detroit Lions. We have a
great old line and great run game. So whoever we
get at quarterback, what they're missing is mobility at quarterback.
You make fun of Riley Leonard you go to the
third round because that roster's pretty set. No, I'm just
throwing this out.
Speaker 5 (19:23):
I remember they got Hendon Hooker a few years ago.
That's not hold on Jets fans. The Jets offensive coordinator
comes from the Lions. So Jets fans are like, do
we make a move on Hendon Hooker, who was awesome
at Tennessee is.
Speaker 6 (19:34):
A college player. I know he's on the older side.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
You're not feeling Hendon Hooker, No, but you're feeling Riley Leonard. Yes, yes,
and hold on, we could do an hour on the
Draftlet you're telling me you think JJ McCarthy, who was
I think ninth over all last year, You think he's
a better NFL prospect than cam Wart.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Orshador well the long term, maybe bo Nicks.
Speaker 6 (19:56):
You think he's a better prospect, Yes, than cam Wart.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Yeah, I just don't see that.
Speaker 6 (20:02):
I'm all in on cam Woard. That's my guy in
this draft.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
I think whoever gets him, you know, Tennessee or maybe Cleveland,
like he's going to be a stud.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Stuff will start coming out.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
You go, oh, oh, I see what that is. See
the audience. If you're not watching, you need to listen closely.
I say I'm all in on cam Ward. He says
stuff will come out, meaning there's some skeletons, but there's
some stuff on cam Ward that could emerge. Right, I'm
just saying I'm not here to label anybody. Let's let
it play out. Well, remember last week at the Super
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Bowl when I said Stafford, some connections will come out
regard to the Giants, what happened on Monday or Tuesday
Adam Schefter report.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
I'm not saying it.
Speaker 6 (20:44):
We know stuff but we can't.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
I'm not saying it's bad. See you immediately said the
cam Ward stuff is bad. I just think that some
things will develop over the next two months.
Speaker 6 (20:56):
We could talk about some of it.
Speaker 5 (20:57):
The nil chase for him before he Miami, and you know,
teams that were.
Speaker 6 (21:02):
In the mix.
Speaker 5 (21:03):
There were some chatter about Kim Ward. I'm just gonna
put that aside. I like him a lot.
Speaker 6 (21:07):
Gosh, it's fun to do this show sometimes.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Yeah, you immediately jumped to bad news, and I am
saying it's not necessarily bad news, but these stories develop.
We tend to nitpick the top kids like Shador Sanders
now is better than what I'm hearing At first during
the season, it's like number one, and then we're all like, yeah,
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now when I talk to people, I have talked to
two people in this league, two coaches in this league
on Shador Sanders. Both really like him. Great kid, bigger
than you think, incredibly accurate, mature. So what happens is
will nitpick. We did this with Andrew Luck. You start nickpicking,
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I mean, you're like, give me a break, Caleb Williams,
just start nitpicking. And then also so just let the quarterback.
I think what's gonna happen over the next two months
is going to be fascinating because we don't have a
dominant one, and I think you're gonna hear some things
on cam Ward and Shoulder and Kyle McCord and Riley
Leonard and the kid at Louisville. Just let let's let
it develop.
Speaker 5 (22:14):
I like glass half full, Colin today, after the flat
tire fiasco from last night, you kind of bounce back
strong as good, being very positive.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Today, bit of a renaissance man.
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Speaker 5 (22:51):
All right, mister cow heard the Jets are moving on
from Aaron Rodgers after his two Can we call him
tumultuous seasons in New York? Yeah, tumultuous failure, whatever you
want to use. We don't know what Rogers is going
to do next, but he definitely wants to keep playing.
Speaker 6 (23:08):
According to Jay Glazer, Steve Young.
Speaker 5 (23:10):
Former NFL quarterbacks, spoke to what the future could look
like for Rogers and talked about his changing mindset.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
Game.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Tom Brady said it best.
Speaker 7 (23:19):
The flats are always open, the middle of the field
that's unpatrolled and no.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
One could hit me. And by the way, I make
fifty million dollars.
Speaker 7 (23:27):
So I think that Aaron because he's healthy a full year.
Look at the mobility is down everything else. But if
you can get to a place that understands a position
has innovative mindsets, there's more and more places like that
that you can get where you can take advantage of
the you know, the new football that's being played.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Yeah, I you know, not just geographically isolated but forgotten.
The Seahawks have a really good roster. Are they going
to run back the geno thing? Like to me, I
they're not going back to Russell?
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (24:08):
How many? I mean, we liked their coach, I love
their GM stable ownership, really nice roster. What are they
doing a quarterback?
Speaker 6 (24:17):
It's a good question. I'll run through the options. Sam Donald.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
I think if I Seattle, Indy and Seattle should make
a play on Sam Donald Indie kirk Cousins.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
You know the strength is there outdoors that wet weather not?
I mean it really the game he ended up getting benched.
Remember that throw out in the flat There was just
no juice on it. I don't know if his arm
can hold up outdoors.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Sam Donald had two or three great college games, great
one of them against the Hoskies in Seattle. He can
play in wet weather, it's.
Speaker 6 (24:50):
Like seven years ago.
Speaker 5 (24:53):
Sorry, I had to let me just talk. There's a
long shot for your Seahawks, Daniel Jones. I know he
doesn't get too many people saying listen.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Clint Kobiak recently said, that's a guy I want to coach.
Talking about Geno Smith. Oh, now, Seattle. Seattle does have
some cap issues.
Speaker 6 (25:10):
So what about Aaron Rodgers?
Speaker 5 (25:12):
Let me so, I met I keep mentioning the Niners
as an option.
Speaker 6 (25:17):
Let me just say this.
Speaker 5 (25:18):
Let's say Stafford ends up getting traded to the Giants,
A ten chance, twenty whatever.
Speaker 6 (25:24):
Would Sean McVay say, I'm gonna take a chance on
Aaron Rodgers. That's a winning quarterback. He's got the arm.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
If Stafford leaves, yeah, yeah, for a year, they.
Speaker 6 (25:34):
Would maybe rent him and then figure out quarterback later.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Yeah, I could see that. Yeah, absolutely, if you.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
Made a good point that the Rams are not afraid
to do wacky stuff. I mean, Jalen Ramsey moved up,
Jared Goff got rid of.
Speaker 6 (25:45):
And he went to a Super Bowl. No, and also
there was an a Cooper Cup recently.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
They're not asking a lot. The Rams would not ask
a lot of the quarterback. First of all, their defense
last year Thanksgiving on jam Mack outside of Philadelphia, it
was one of the best. It was good. And their defense,
unlike Phillies, has got some middle to older guys like
Rams is all kids and all getting better fast. So
and they have Kyron Williams and they stabilize their O line.
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They're gonna get a left tackle with their first pick,
I would imagine. So my take is the Rams would
not be asking you to carry the offense. It would
be very much like Philadelphia. Come in, We're gonna ask
you to do a few things. Aaron Rodgers to the Rams.
He has a place in Malibu. To me, feels like
not a bad spot, not a bad spot at all.
Speaker 5 (26:30):
Okay, let's just make it things happen out here. Let's
go to the Spittsburgh Steelers next Colin. Now this this
is a tough story for me. Zach really selling it hard.
Do you take a deep breath. They finished the regular
season on a five game losing streak, lost in the
first round. SAMs are starting to get upset. They do
not have a playoff win since twenty sixteen. One fan
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bought a billboard demanding the team either trade Tomlin or
sell the team like this is crazy. Well, I mean,
people are starting to lose their minds. However, you could
look at some of tomlin stuff. He's lost six straight
in the playoffs, eight and eleven in the postseason. Twenty
eight different head coaches have won a playoff game since
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Tomlin's last playoff win.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
By the way, that's not much of a billboard location.
It's next to a chain link fans, that thing could
be that thing could be next to a garbage dumb.
I mean it's it's barely off the ground four feet.
It's like the worst billboard placement I've ever seen.
Speaker 6 (27:28):
Well, we need to we need to zoom out on
that one first and more. Maybe it's near a highway.
Speaker 5 (27:32):
Where are you on, Tomlin? I don't, I mean, I
get their frustration. They're in the playoffs every year it
were relevant.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
It was Pete Carolyn Seattle, good coach at time.
Speaker 5 (27:41):
Do you think it's signed now? Yeah, So you want
to move off Travis Kelcey and Mike Tomlin.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
That's the show today, by the way, Hall of Fame level,
like Pete carrolln Seattle, it was time. Okay, it doesn't
mean he can't coach.
Speaker 6 (27:51):
It's just running off Mike Tomlin.
Speaker 5 (27:53):
I'm not running you replacing him with who are you
the New York Giants? Yeah, let's get it. Who knew
what's our game played? Devin single tear?
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Who knew who Kevin Stefanski was before Kevin Stemanski? I
didn't know who Sean McVay was. I'd heard his name,
the idea. I mean, did you know before he became
a hot shot three years ago? Who the Bears new
coach was. Did you know who Bobby Slowik was? William
Cohen two years ago? He was in the Rams, but
people weren't talking about him.
Speaker 5 (28:23):
I mean, but it's one that a lot of those
teams didn't have a great coach before.
Speaker 6 (28:28):
You talk about Mike Tomlin.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
How many times do we say you don't want to
follow up a superstar, a Hall of Famer following Belichick.
Speaker 6 (28:34):
How'd that work out for Mayo? One and done?
Speaker 5 (28:37):
You follow Tomlin and missed the playoffs? After all he
does is make the playoffs your toast. I mean, I
know it hasn't been great. I'm gonna keep Mike Tomlin. Guy,
I'm sorry, I would retain.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
I'm not demanding it. They're not falling apart. I think
they're tone deaf to offense. I think the culture's all defense.
I mean, remember Jimmy Johnson replaced Tom Landry. I mean, okay,
Belichick got replaced, Danny Reid got replaced. It's not an indictment.
I mean, Eric Spolstra, Steve Kerr, Greg Popovich, everybody in
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the NBA gets replaced except those three guys.
Speaker 5 (29:13):
I mean, Dolphins move on from Don Schule and it
took like twenty five years to win a playoff game. Like,
it's really tough when you run off a legend. I
understand the frustration. I'm just going to remind people the
Jets have the longest postseason drought in professional sports in America.
Speaker 6 (29:27):
Okay, dam bensonce Mark Stantez took him there. We would
kill for six straight.
Speaker 5 (29:32):
Playoff runs the way Tomlin even though he's losing, Like,
just be happier in the postseason.
Speaker 6 (29:37):
No, not everybody's winning a super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Yeah, if you're the Jags the Steelers, standard is just
be happy you're in. I think you have to be
honest about Pittsburgh. Lamar Jackson and Joe Burrow are top
five quarterbacks. You are at best going to have the
third best quarterback in that division for the foreseeable future
five years to ten minimum. Now, with Bradshaw you had
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a ten twelve year run, you had the best quarterback.
With Big Ben fifteen year run, you had the best quarterback.
But Pittsburgh's history is when they do not have the
best quarterback in the division, they do not hoist trophies.
And they're not gonna find anybody in the next couple
of years that's as good as Joe Burrow, who's historically good,
or Lamar Jackson, who is historically good. They're gonna have
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the third best court. Thank god, Cleveland's a tire fire.
Speaker 5 (30:27):
Well, the way to get that quarterback is to just say,
you know what, we're gonna punt this season, We're gonna reboot,
we're trading TJ.
Speaker 6 (30:36):
Watt. We're moving off Pickings.
Speaker 5 (30:37):
We're gonna bought him out, and next year we got
the number two pick Arts Manning, come on down to
the Steel.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
City and I would do that. I would sell easier
said than that, I would do it. But it's in
Pittsburgh prime. When the last time the Steelers were awful,
I can't even think of a year. I don't even
know what the year.
Speaker 6 (30:54):
Is thanks to Mike Tomlin largely right.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Well, I think there's a lot of components. I think
they've been well run, well owned, smartly. I mean, I
think they draft at a very high level. I just
when I'm watching that offense, how many years now can
they not get the on line right? I mean, Andy
Reid needs help on the on line. By next year,
the Chiefs'll have a good old line. That's what they do.
Speaker 5 (31:18):
Final story is the Dallas Mavericks catching a lot of
heat for trading Luka Doncic. Remember we talked about this
following Monday's loss to the Kings. Jason Kidd declined talking
to the media afterwards, and things are getting worse College.
There is now a report that not only Anthony Davis
could be out a month, but it sounds like PJ.
(31:40):
Washington's gonna miss time. Yeah, Gafford's going to be out
two weeks. I've Lea's out to the rest of the
regular season. Dallas has done. They're cooked, and Jason kidd
Now has responded saying, I'm the one who gets the groceries,
and I got to figure out how to use it.
I don't want to be the one that's buying the groceries.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
A ie.
Speaker 5 (31:57):
He doesn't want to be the GM.
Speaker 6 (32:00):
This is they're done. I don't think they're making the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
They're not. All their best players are out.
Speaker 6 (32:06):
They're done, and Mark's schedule light. I looked at it.
Speaker 5 (32:08):
It is like like seven really good teams or good
players you're facing.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Hey Macris, Max Christy lean on him.
Speaker 6 (32:16):
He might be their starting star, starting point guard, or.
Speaker 5 (32:18):
If something happens to Kyrie. I don't know who they
have tonight, but they're in action.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
I think, I mean, think about this, think about Dallas.
Are they gonna become Chicago South Chicago? All their teams
are bad. Now, the Cubs did have a nice pickup
in the off season, but all their teams are bad.
Dallas is not a top ten team in the NFC.
They're definitely not a top five. The Mavericks season is over.
Thank God for the Stars, I mean, are the stars good?
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Finally were a couple of years ago? Cole years.
Speaker 6 (32:45):
Who's there? Center?
Speaker 5 (32:46):
Mike Madonno Sega Genesis, old old video game joke. I'm
sure someone's gonna try to rip you on the internet
for not knowing that.
Speaker 6 (32:53):
But that's the last time I paid attend to be Sorry.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
MAV's host the Warriors tonight.
Speaker 6 (32:58):
Should we lay?
Speaker 1 (33:00):
So? I'm got Warriors, Let's do it? What's what's the number?
Speaker 6 (33:02):
And I gotta call it up?
Speaker 1 (33:04):
What's the number?
Speaker 6 (33:05):
Come on, man, what are we doing? You give me
good ten seconds here?
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Okay, fill the voyage after the Warriors? Minus seven?
Speaker 6 (33:13):
That's your guests. Okay, I am seeing there's a lot
of games tonight. Where the hell is oh minus six
and a half? Look at you now? It's in Dallas.
Speaker 5 (33:23):
So what we We're laying it with Jimmy Buckets and
Steph Curry Steph against Clay.
Speaker 6 (33:27):
Yeah, yeah, let's take it.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Fans are too busy protesting to boom Cleil Green, you'll support.
Speaker 6 (33:32):
What are you gonna do? A grand on the Warriors?
Speaker 1 (33:33):
A grand that was a joke.
Speaker 6 (33:36):
Regular season NBA spends a lot more than me. I'm
not doing that. Not regular season NBA. No way, that's suicidal.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
And by the way, Kyrie, you see how many minutes
he's been playing, like forty two minutes in February. Not
good and he has an injury history. They have fallen
off jmck with the news.
Speaker 6 (33:55):
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Speaker 5 (35:12):
Saturday on Fox Primetime Hoops two of the Big Ten's
best go ahead to head at seven thirty Eastern eleventh
rank Michigan State takes on Illinois.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Can I give you a gem, A nine month ahead
of schedule gem? Can I if I say this, please do?
I'm not going to tell you my source Illinois football
makes the playoff next year. Go look at their schedule,
return the entire old line. Look at that. I looked
at their schedule last night they miss on Alla Illinois.
Speaker 5 (35:46):
What's you gotta be honest, what's going on with all
the Chicago love Chicago Bears, Illinois.
Speaker 6 (35:53):
Illinois making the playoff. I'll take that bet. I'll give
you odds too. Okay, right now, do you owe me
a seventeenth steak dinner?
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Which okay, okay, right now, go look at what they return.
Go look do it just on on the air as
I rant this, go look at it real quick?
Speaker 3 (36:05):
You ran?
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Okay'm my rant because I want to talk about this.
So Matt Patricia has just been named the defensive coordinator
at Ohio State. And for the record, in the animated
the Playoff basketball school, we don't think illinoy can. I'll
get to that in a second. So Matt Patricia is
going to get So I think Ryan Day tried the
NFL thing with Chip Kelly and went hell Israeli helps
(36:28):
and now with nil, what you're seeing in college football
these programs now are hiring NFL gms who are out
of work or you know, they're kind of banging around
and scouting. They're not the GM, they're hiring them. So
college football is really grabbing NFL people. I think it's
really smart. Green Bay. By the way, remember they went
and got Boston College's head coach. They made him a
(36:50):
defensive coordinator, and I think Ryan Day looked at Chip
Kelly and thought, it's a different level of intellect, experience.
They understand the pro game. My guys are all getting
paid now. So Matt Patricia may not be a guy
who is a head coach. We know he's not a
good OC, but as a d C, I think he's fantastic.
And this is one of the cool things. What's happening
(37:11):
with college football is that, you know, it was always
college football could borrow some you know, NFL sometimes borrowed
stuff from college football. College football now is going up
and taking NFL guys out. And what you're going to
see is some of these college coaches who don't want
to deal with all the nil and their take is,
(37:31):
if I'm going to be coaching in a league where
guys are getting paid, I'll just go to the NFL.
Now that doesn't mean every college coach can be an
NFL coach, but Matt Patricia I think will be pretty good.
I just Matt Patricia's the classic excellent coordinator. Never worked
as a head coach. He's a little gruff. Reportedly he
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and Stafford weren't tight. I mean, I thought Belichick moving
him to OC was bizarre. I didn't get that. He
doesn't have the cent ability to the personality to be
an offensive coach. He's kind of a gruff, tough guy.
Smart guys in DC. By the way, By the way,
go look at the schedule. Go look at the schedule
for next year. Move it up a little bit. Here,
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guy on the screen. So they don't face Michigan, they
don't face Oregon, they don't they get Ohio State at home,
and then it looks like a basketball schedule all these ws.
Illinois is gonna make the tournament next year. They get
USC at home, semi tough, they have one big game
(38:38):
in the schedule. You're like, uh oh, and they host
Ohio State. Folks, I just hand out money on this show.
It's all I do.
Speaker 6 (38:45):
You know the saying never get high on your own supply. Yeah,
I think you're.
Speaker 5 (38:48):
All excited that you nailed a bunch of NFL stuff
a year early, and you're trying to call your shot Colin.
Speaker 6 (38:53):
Illinois to win the Natty.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Okay, plus twenty North.
Speaker 5 (38:57):
Carolina's got better off tech, Colin, this is this is
not one of your good takes bro.
Speaker 6 (39:03):
To win the Natty, But you get in the mix, right.
Speaker 5 (39:06):
They don't have to get to the playoff odds, at
least at the shops on looking at.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
Hey, the Indiana Hoosiers made the playoff.
Speaker 6 (39:13):
Listen, how's this we'll we'll just have fun with it.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Go look at what they return on the offensive line.
Speaker 6 (39:21):
Yeah, okay, I would give you like ten to one odds,
you know on this.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Take the playoffs?
Speaker 5 (39:27):
Yeah, you give me a thousand. I'll give you ten
thousand if Illinois makes a playoff. Shit again, Well, maybe
I shouldn't say that all.
Speaker 6 (39:34):
Yeah, well talk, we'll talk off air. Well there's no
chance of this.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
Okay, tell me what tell.
Speaker 6 (39:38):
Me again, we'll talk about it off air.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
I should not have said, no, no, let's do it for
America to walk.
Speaker 6 (39:42):
No, let's not. Let's not suppose. I got to clear
that with the wife.
Speaker 5 (39:45):
You know, it's five figure suns eddy NFL bets, they're significant.
Speaker 6 (39:49):
I got okay, Colin, this is how about I'm looking.
Speaker 5 (39:51):
At Pro Football Focus did their top twenty five preseason
Illinois does not sniff it. I'm looking at top ten
players in college fotball. Don't see any Illinois guys.
Speaker 6 (39:59):
I don't where you're getting this, but you do have
some sources. So I've got to respect it, and I'm
gonna hold off. I'm a stand down on all.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
I'll make you bet. I let's bet your share of
that Mexican soccer team. That's definitely not happening.
Speaker 6 (40:12):
That's not okay.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
I'm just throwing out Illinois. I like it. Maybe I'll
unveil my source tomorrow. I don't even all unveil my
source tomorrow when I'm not going to give you, Jeff
George your source. I'm not giving you all my stuff
in one day. I gotta expect. I'm on tomorrow and
got a week off. I gotta not a lot going
on now. I gotta extend my sourcing.
Speaker 6 (40:32):
I like this bold that is. That's as bold as
it gets.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
It's funny though, with Matt Patricia going to college like
Ryan Day was. Just think about how crazy football is.
Ryan Day was in big trouble, twenty point favorite at
home beat by Michigan. He was, he was in huge
trouble and then Tennessee You're like, oh, holy hell, they're
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ticked off and then Oregon. WHOA what did I just watch?
It is amazing. What is happening to college football is
now you guys got to take a chill pill on
your Buckeye reddit boards. The bottom line, Now you're playing
fifteen games in a schedule. It used to be you
paid eleven, you played twelve. Now you're playing fifteen. Regular
season losses do not define you. The first year we
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had the College Football Playoff, the first year it became
the NFL Playoffs. You can stink in December last year
at this time, Chiefs lost the Raiders in December and
won the Super Bowl. So Ryan Day went from the
hottest seat imaginable to a contract extension in two months.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
It is.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
They were so bad against Michigan and then beat Oregon
like a drum crush Tennessee. It's just college football, like
it or not. Between paying the players and the coaches
and the playoff, it is now it's pro football. I
mean it's basically high end amateur, low end pro football.
College football
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J Mac.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Remember before the season started, there was that clip on
HBO Max of Joe Shane, the GM and John Mora
in the office of the Giants talking about, well, if
we don't if we don't sign Saquon and John Mars,
I just hope he doesn't go to Philadelia. Oh remember that? Yeah, yeah,
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And I was thinking about it. He's only twenty eight,
so it'd be one thing if you dumped your amazing
wife and she upgraded and then the next year she
won power Ball and the following year she moved next door.
It's the proximity to the Giants. It's not that Saquan's great.
I don't even think Howie Roseman thought he would be
this great. I thought he would be good, but how
he wanted to stick it to the Giants and they
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needed a running back. But it's the proximity. If he
played for the Broncos or Chargers or Raiders, it just
wouldn't matter. But you put him on a great team
that's across the street, and it's so easy for Saquon
Barkley to you know, rub it in the Giant's face.
But he was on the Tonight Show last night and
(01:40):
he continues to be all class about that HBO Max
piece of tape that that made its way out there.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
The people that brought me in.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
But after the game, so many guys and people from
the organization reached out to me. I was super happy to,
you know, once with my birthday and see me hold
a Lombardi Trophy up because they know hard work that.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
I put in.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
So yeah, just you know, that's that clip is in
the past, and I'm happy to be egoing. I look
at it as like Marshall Falk one of my favorite
running bets. You know, he played for the Coast, but
he's remembered as a ram So now I'm just trying
to be Remember as Eden.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
There was always sort of a rule in pro sports,
especially the NFL, don't trade within the division. You know,
if you're gonna trade Russell Wilson and Seattle, get him
to Denver, even though it didn't work out, there's always
the chance it would work out. What's remarkable is is
that you knew, you knew Jalen Hurts could play. I mean,
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you saw all the weapons. Philadelphia had, their O line,
their tight ends, A J. Brown, Devonte Smith. You knew
that if if Saquon Barkley ended up on that roster,
it was going to be lightning, it was going to
be transformative. And they still they still did it. And uh,
you know, people are talking about the Luca deal, and
(03:00):
I understand that he's a running back, probably only has
like three great years left, He's had a few injuries,
but when you consider all the component went into it, proximity,
they're in your division, they had a great O line,
tight end, receiver, and quarterback, and they kind of needed
a star running back to make it one of the
all time loaded offenses. And you still let it go.
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And the other thing is, I remember if you go
back to the beginning. We kept saying, they have a
choice here. Are they going to pay Saquon or are
they going to make Daniel Jones? And we knew quarterback
was really important. But I think what Saquon proved, and
Derek Henry proved, and Josh Jacobs proved, and Aaron Jones proved,
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and all these running back JK. Dobbins when he was
healthy proved, the running back remains undervalued. And you can
I mean, Baltimore and Philly had great years. They were
led by running backs. That's not a shot by the way,
Jalen hirschel Lamar, but those teams felt like on a
lot of Sundays they were running their offense through the
running back. So and Barkley's just such a classy guy.
(04:06):
He he doesn't have to be a good guy in
all this, Like he could just roll his eyes and
be bitter. But Saquonzo is above board. He's always great.
He's always classy, and it's like, hey man, I'm just
gonna be the best guy can be. But it is
it's you know, you start looking around at some of
these moves in sports, and Jay Matcott sometimes I don't
(04:27):
we don't appreciate this. There are big mistakes made on
a regular basis in all these leagues, Like massive mistakes
made now. Sometimes when Shoheo Tani goes Angels to Dodgers,
they couldn't afford him. I mean, he's a seven hundred
million dollar player. The Angels don't drive that revenue. You
knew when he was an Angel. After about year two,
(04:49):
you're like, yeah, he's gonna end up up the I five,
he's gonna end up being a Dodger a Yankee. Like,
there are times that you just can't afford it. We
know that to be true. Sometimes you get trapped at
a salaries situation. But in this situation, like you had
a choice bad quarterbacks, star back, he just made a
bad choice.
Speaker 5 (05:06):
I mean you combine that with what just happened in
the NBA with Luka Dancic, and to me, I go
into this NFL offseason thinking, literally, anything could happen. I'm
not gonna be shocked by anything some of these decisions
the owners are making NFL, NBA.
Speaker 6 (05:21):
You're just like, what's happening? Like could Aaron Rodgers?
Speaker 5 (05:23):
Seriously, could he be on the forty nine ers next
year starting quarterback Week one.
Speaker 6 (05:27):
Sure, I don't see why not.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
Could he go across town to play for the Giants
if they can't get Matt Safford, I'm gonna stick it
to the Jets.
Speaker 6 (05:33):
I'm gonna show it I can win.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
Why not if the Giants don't get a quarterback in
the draft, I don't see why not. To me, anything
is in play now again, that Luca thing really changed
my outlook.
Speaker 6 (05:43):
And you go back to the Barkley one, it's.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Like, Wow, wild stuff. Greg Hosell forty five years NFL films,
you know what I found interesting?
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Now?
Speaker 1 (05:57):
It's a blowout, right, So you think to yourself, there's
not much to say. But the tape always tells a
more in depth story than what we watched. I had
said to you multiple times this year. There were moments,
drives and quarters when I would watch Philadelphia's offense and say,
how do they ever punt? Jalen is viewed as not
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a great pocket quarterback, But can I defend him here?
On the throws they ask him to make, like the
sideline stuff, he's very good at it.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Maybe what does the film say?
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Bait?
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Okay, you tell me what's the film say?
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Well, We're gonna have to get to the defense in
a minute because it was really a defensive game. But
what Jalen Hurts is exceptionally good at as he throws
the ball outside the numbers really really well. That's his game.
And he made that third and seven back shoulder throw
to aj Brown that was as pretty as you could
make a throw. That's his game. And obviously the long
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touchdown to Smith that was set up all throughout the game.
That was their seventh play out of the pistol formation.
The previous six were runs and then they came with
the play action after the Chiefs turned it over on downs.
But he also made a couple of other really good throws.
There was one third down and this will never appear
in a highlight, but it was a nine yard completion
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i believe on third and eight to DeVonta Smith where
the Chiefs tried to change the picture pre snapped to
post snap and he read it immediately and he hit
his back foot and delivered the ball. So yeah, he
played in many ways. It was a Jalen Hurts game,
very efficient. And one other point to make which you
can't ever overlook, is the run game element with Jalen.
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He had three runs, yes, in the second half. A
couple of times they spied him and he beat the spy.
Those are backbreakers, those are moral breakers, morale breakers for
a defense, and that's a major part of his game.
And he has such a good feel for that, Colin,
and that's you know, we know that the game has
changed a bit now in terms of quarterbacks, and these
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kinds of plays are so important games.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
It felt like, well, let's talk pivot to the Eagles defense.
It felt like they were winning every snap up front,
and not only every snap, every player was winning. It
was a complete dominance. I can remember Brady facing the
New York Giants would talk and straight hand at Ocu Minora,
and I can remember the New England Patriots really struggling
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with the defensive front four. This was that on HGH.
I mean, that was this on jet fuel. What does
the tape say? How were they able to generate that
without blitzing?
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Well, you know, it's funny you say that because I'm
watching the tape, and normally when I watched tape, Colin,
I try to think about the process, like what made
Vic Fangio As he started to prepare to play the Chiefs,
which of course was two weeks ago, think that, okay,
I can essentially just rush my four down linemen, I
can play it of a two high safety structure every
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snap in the game, which is what they did. And
so more than seventy five percent of their snaps came
with two high safeties. And why am I doing that?
You know? Why do I think that's the best way
to go? And I think the answer is pretty simple.
They felt that they were so much better athletically in
all ways than the offensive line for the Chiefs. The
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Chiefs have three players on their own line that are
really not good enough to be starters in this league.
And the Eagles just were better upfront. And then they
started these multiple stunt concepts in the second quarter, and
that's where the athleticism also really showed up. And they were,
in a sense, daring the Chiefs to run the ball
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because they were playing all these two high safety structure
concepts and the Chiefs would just not run the ball.
The Chiefs had twenty offensive plays in the first half,
three of them were runs by running backs. They gained
twenty three yards Colin on twenty offensive plays in the
first half.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
The one thing the Chiefs did was well was stop
Saquon Barkley, which, by the way, nobody did well all year.
What is the one blueprint teams could take from that
watching Casey's defense against saque because they bottled them up.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Yeah, they didn't do anything you would think as special.
They did not load the box, as most people probably assume.
They had a couple of run blitzes on first down
here and there. They very often lined up in a
too deep shell and then they just had a safety
immediately dropped down if the ball was snapped and make
it appear that there was a gap that was open
and the safety would fill the gap. But contrary to
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what people think, they did not load the box. In fact,
their D line actually played very well in the run game.
They beat up the Eagles O line at times and
therefore made plays where they just won one on one matchups.
So I don't think there's a blueprint here necessarily. As
I said, they did run blitz on occasion on early downs.
Trankle was a factor in this, and he's a good player,
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but there wasn't anything where you went, oh my god,
I've never seen that before.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Yeah, well I did think and I said before the game,
I thought Kansas City when you can, I liked their
front seven defensively. I think it's twitchy. I think it's active.
Oh yeah, I think it's really really good. I think
they got worn out because they were on the field
the entire first half, so.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Yeah, they I mean the Eagles had the ball for yeah,
thirty seven minutes. The Eagles had the ball in the game,
and they went on a really long drive in the
third quarter. That basically look, the Chiefs tried to come
out to start the third quarter and run the ball
a little bit because they knew they needed to even
they were down. They were down twenty four, and then
when they had to punt, the Eagles went on a
long drive and then all of a sudden, there were
four minutes left in the third quarter, and then it
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was over in terms of any kind of running game.
But the Chiefs just did not run the ball in
the first half, and the Eagles, you know, d Line
just dominated the game.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Travis Kelce, what does the film say.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Not a factor in the game at all. You know,
he was forced to block on occasion, he's not very
good at it, and he was just not a factor
in the pass game. Their past game never got into
any kind of rhythm at all, Colin. They just could
not develop any sense of timing rhythm, and Mahomes was
unable to make the Mahomes kinds of plays that were
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used to seeing. The only one he really made came
when he threw the touchdown to Worthy, I guess late
in the third quarter. But through the first half they
really bottled him up. They kept him from getting outside
the pocket. The one time he got outside the pocket,
he ended up throwing the interception to Cooper Dejene, which
was phenomenal defense. I thought the Eagles on the back
end played with incredible discipline and incredible route awareness. I
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thought Blankenship and it won't show up in the box score.
I thought Blankenship played an unbelievably good game.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
What did you make of Patrick mahomes performance.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
I thought as the game progressed, and it happened pretty quickly,
he started to play a little fast. I don't think
he was seeing things particularly clearly. There were times I
thought that his drop did not sync up with the routes.
Don't forget how many plays he makes outside of structure.
You know, I've had defensive coaches in the league. Again,
this is not me saying this. I've had defensive coaches
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who've played against him say that he's not a great
progression reader. That's not the strength of his game. So
when he's unable to make those special plays because his
spatial awareness is as good as anybody in the league,
and maybe as good as anybody we've seen, but those
plays did not occur, so they could never get into
a timing and rhythm within their pass game.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Yeah, I'll throw this out there. One of the things
I always felt Brady could win a game when he
didn't have the best hand. He didn't have to have
pocket aces or a full house. Tom would just figure
out ways to win field position, shortened routes, manipulate. I
felt watching the game that they came in with a
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game plan and didn't alter much. Did the film say
that for Kansas City.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Well, there were a couple of play calls I'm actually
going to show one when we get to it that
were actually really interesting play calls, but the pass rush
prevented them from being executed. And you know that when
that happens, you know you can have a really nice
route concept, route combination that breaks down the defense because
they knew what they were going to mostly get from
vic Fanjo's defense because he's such a quarters maven and
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he works off of that. So they knew what they
were going to get and they were able to attack
it at times, but they just couldn't get the ball
out because of pressure. And the pressure was the huge,
huge part of the game. And with Tuney at left tackle,
with Caliendo at left guard, and Taylor at right tackle,
those were three players that they just could not handle.
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The Eagles. And then, as I said, they started all
these multiple stunt concepts to accentuate their athleticism. They started
doing that in the second quarter. I think the first
one came on the Degene interception or turned for a touchdown,
and they just started doing more and more of that,
and it was really really difficult for the Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
All lie, all right, show us your big play from
the game and what it means.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Yeah, I chose this play. Make it a little different,
and we can start the play now. This was third
and three on their second possession. Okay, so the game
was only seven to nothing, And this is an example
of what I'm talking about. This was actually a really
cool play design by Andy Reid. And his staff, and
they just couldn't execute it because of pressure. So what
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you're going to see here is Mahomes in the gun.
Now that's Worthy, who's offset in the backfield. They tried
to get him in the game early. And what you're
going to see from the Eagles is there going to
be in that sort of four across umbrella coverage which
they lined up in to start every single play in
the game. The corners were off, okay, and in Vic
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Fangio's defense, in a cover four look, the corners always
stay with one vertical the outside receivers when they run vertical.
This this became a Cover four shell. Okay. Now Worthy's going
to be the motion guy here, and what he's going
to end up doing is he's going to run a
go route down the sideline. And they knew based on
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the Cover four coverage that the defender that would have
to run with him would be Zach Bond, a great player,
had a great year, but he can't run with Worthy.
So let's just focus on these two guys from this
angle and you'll see exactly what I'm talking about. Remember
this was third and three on the second possession. The
game was not at a hand, so you can see
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that Worthy runs by him. This was the design of
the play and if Mahomes had time, it could well
have been a touchdown. But now let's go to what
this game was ultimately all about, Colin, and you're going
to see Coulz. They emptied the backfield. You had Tony
one on one with Sweat, Okay, because Worthy was in
the backfield, they emptied him out. You get the one
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on one matchup, and Sweat's phenomenal here with his one
arm stab and he's able to clear the edge and
you can see toward the top of the screen that
Worthy hadn't really gotten into the route yet. So that's
where Mahomes wanted to go, but he couldn't because of
the pass rush pressure and he ends up having to
run out of the pocket and throw it in complete it.
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So I thought this was very telling early in the
game because they designed a really good play to take
advantage of the Eagles defense that could well have been
a touchdown. Mahomes usually doesn't miss those throws if he
has time in the pocket, and they just couldn't execute
it because of the pass rush.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Good stuff, Greg co sal We got free agency coming up,
draft stuff. By the way, a tip for our audience.
You're always good at giving me stuff a year out.
When do you really start deep diving on the draft
or you already done that.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
I'm already into it. For instance, I've done three quarterbacks
that I'm done with. I've done Ward, I've done Sanders,
and I've done Dart. I'm done with those guys. I'm
actually watching today. I was watching a really interesting guy
that I was told about, and I know, you know
college foot. I was watching Tyler Schuck at Louisville, who's
been around block a few times. Yep, he's a fascinating guy. Colin,
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fascinating guy. Yep.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
We'll keep our eye on that and more. Greg cosel
NFL Films forty five years. Thanks Greg, appreciate.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
It, Thank Mas, Colin appreciators always.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
You bet, you and I both love the draft.
Speaker 5 (18:20):
Interesting that he's already looked at Jackson Dart. There is
some chatter he could be a first.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Round pack Well, it's I will tell you this. It
is a year in which many believe the second, third,
and fourth round quarterbacks, depending on where they land, because
the quarterbacks that are at the top of the draft
are not transformative and they're going to bad teams, whereas
you get Riley Leonard goes to the Rams and sits
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behind Stafford for two years. That what you're getting is
a guys and this kid from Louisville. There's a handful
of quarterbacks that if they go third round late and
they end up on San Francisco or they end up
on Detroit, like, for instance, the Lions are a great example.
If the Lions say to themselves, we need to be
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more athletic. Think about the Detroit Lions. We have a
great old line and great run game. So whoever we
get at quarterback, what they're missing is mobility at quarterback.
You make fun of Riley Leonard you go to the
third round because that roster's pretty set. No, I'm just
throwing this out.
Speaker 5 (19:23):
I remember they got Hendon Hooker a few years ago.
That's not hold on Jets fans. The Jets offensive coordinator
comes from the Lions. So Jets fans are like, do
we make a move on Hendon Hooker, who was awesome
at Tennessee is.
Speaker 6 (19:34):
A college player. I know he's on the older side.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
You're not feeling Hendon Hooker, No, but you're feeling Riley Leonard. Yes, yes,
and hold on, we could do an hour on the
Draftlet you're telling me you think JJ McCarthy, who was
I think ninth over all last year, You think he's
a better NFL prospect than cam Wart.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Orshador well the long term, maybe bo Nicks.
Speaker 6 (19:56):
You think he's a better prospect, Yes, than cam Wart.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Yeah, I just don't see that.
Speaker 6 (20:02):
I'm all in on cam Woard. That's my guy in
this draft.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
I think whoever gets him, you know, Tennessee or maybe Cleveland,
like he's going to be a stud.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Stuff will start coming out.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
You go, oh, oh, I see what that is. See
the audience. If you're not watching, you need to listen closely.
I say I'm all in on cam Ward. He says
stuff will come out, meaning there's some skeletons, but there's
some stuff on cam Ward that could emerge. Right, I'm
just saying I'm not here to label anybody. Let's let
it play out. Well, remember last week at the Super
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Bowl when I said Stafford, some connections will come out
regard to the Giants, what happened on Monday or Tuesday
Adam Schefter report.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
I'm not saying it.
Speaker 6 (20:44):
We know stuff but we can't.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
I'm not saying it's bad. See you immediately said the
cam Ward stuff is bad. I just think that some
things will develop over the next two months.
Speaker 6 (20:56):
We could talk about some of it.
Speaker 5 (20:57):
The nil chase for him before he Miami, and you know,
teams that were.
Speaker 6 (21:02):
In the mix.
Speaker 5 (21:03):
There were some chatter about Kim Ward. I'm just gonna
put that aside. I like him a lot.
Speaker 6 (21:07):
Gosh, it's fun to do this show sometimes.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Yeah, you immediately jumped to bad news, and I am
saying it's not necessarily bad news, but these stories develop.
We tend to nitpick the top kids like Shador Sanders
now is better than what I'm hearing At first during
the season, it's like number one, and then we're all like, yeah,
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now when I talk to people, I have talked to
two people in this league, two coaches in this league
on Shador Sanders. Both really like him. Great kid, bigger
than you think, incredibly accurate, mature. So what happens is
will nitpick. We did this with Andrew Luck. You start nickpicking,
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I mean, you're like, give me a break, Caleb Williams,
just start nitpicking. And then also so just let the quarterback.
I think what's gonna happen over the next two months
is going to be fascinating because we don't have a
dominant one, and I think you're gonna hear some things
on cam Ward and Shoulder and Kyle McCord and Riley
Leonard and the kid at Louisville. Just let let's let
it develop.
Speaker 5 (22:14):
I like glass half full, Colin today, after the flat
tire fiasco from last night, you kind of bounce back
strong as good, being very positive.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
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Speaker 5 (22:51):
All right, mister cow heard the Jets are moving on
from Aaron Rodgers after his two Can we call him
tumultuous seasons in New York? Yeah, tumultuous failure, whatever you
want to use. We don't know what Rogers is going
to do next, but he definitely wants to keep playing.
Speaker 6 (23:08):
According to Jay Glazer, Steve Young.
Speaker 5 (23:10):
Former NFL quarterbacks, spoke to what the future could look
like for Rogers and talked about his changing mindset.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
Game.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Tom Brady said it best.
Speaker 7 (23:19):
The flats are always open, the middle of the field
that's unpatrolled and no.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
One could hit me. And by the way, I make
fifty million dollars.
Speaker 7 (23:27):
So I think that Aaron because he's healthy a full year.
Look at the mobility is down everything else. But if
you can get to a place that understands a position
has innovative mindsets, there's more and more places like that
that you can get where you can take advantage of
the you know, the new football that's being played.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Yeah, I you know, not just geographically isolated but forgotten.
The Seahawks have a really good roster. Are they going
to run back the geno thing? Like to me, I
they're not going back to Russell?
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (24:08):
How many? I mean, we liked their coach, I love
their GM stable ownership, really nice roster. What are they
doing a quarterback?
Speaker 6 (24:17):
It's a good question. I'll run through the options. Sam Donald.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
I think if I Seattle, Indy and Seattle should make
a play on Sam Donald Indie kirk Cousins.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
You know the strength is there outdoors that wet weather not?
I mean it really the game he ended up getting benched.
Remember that throw out in the flat There was just
no juice on it. I don't know if his arm
can hold up outdoors.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Sam Donald had two or three great college games, great
one of them against the Hoskies in Seattle. He can
play in wet weather, it's.
Speaker 6 (24:50):
Like seven years ago.
Speaker 5 (24:53):
Sorry, I had to let me just talk. There's a
long shot for your Seahawks, Daniel Jones. I know he
doesn't get too many people saying listen.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Clint Kobiak recently said, that's a guy I want to coach.
Talking about Geno Smith. Oh, now, Seattle. Seattle does have
some cap issues.
Speaker 6 (25:10):
So what about Aaron Rodgers?
Speaker 5 (25:12):
Let me so, I met I keep mentioning the Niners
as an option.
Speaker 6 (25:17):
Let me just say this.
Speaker 5 (25:18):
Let's say Stafford ends up getting traded to the Giants,
A ten chance, twenty whatever.
Speaker 6 (25:24):
Would Sean McVay say, I'm gonna take a chance on
Aaron Rodgers. That's a winning quarterback. He's got the arm.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
If Stafford leaves, yeah, yeah, for a year, they.
Speaker 6 (25:34):
Would maybe rent him and then figure out quarterback later.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Yeah, I could see that. Yeah, absolutely, if you.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
Made a good point that the Rams are not afraid
to do wacky stuff. I mean, Jalen Ramsey moved up,
Jared Goff got rid of.
Speaker 6 (25:45):
And he went to a Super Bowl. No, and also
there was an a Cooper Cup recently.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
They're not asking a lot. The Rams would not ask
a lot of the quarterback. First of all, their defense
last year Thanksgiving on jam Mack outside of Philadelphia, it
was one of the best. It was good. And their defense,
unlike Phillies, has got some middle to older guys like
Rams is all kids and all getting better fast. So
and they have Kyron Williams and they stabilize their O line.
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They're gonna get a left tackle with their first pick,
I would imagine. So my take is the Rams would
not be asking you to carry the offense. It would
be very much like Philadelphia. Come in, We're gonna ask
you to do a few things. Aaron Rodgers to the Rams.
He has a place in Malibu. To me, feels like
not a bad spot, not a bad spot at all.
Speaker 5 (26:30):
Okay, let's just make it things happen out here. Let's
go to the Spittsburgh Steelers next Colin. Now this this
is a tough story for me. Zach really selling it hard.
Do you take a deep breath. They finished the regular
season on a five game losing streak, lost in the
first round. SAMs are starting to get upset. They do
not have a playoff win since twenty sixteen. One fan
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bought a billboard demanding the team either trade Tomlin or
sell the team like this is crazy. Well, I mean,
people are starting to lose their minds. However, you could
look at some of tomlin stuff. He's lost six straight
in the playoffs, eight and eleven in the postseason. Twenty
eight different head coaches have won a playoff game since
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Tomlin's last playoff win.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
By the way, that's not much of a billboard location.
It's next to a chain link fans, that thing could
be that thing could be next to a garbage dumb.
I mean it's it's barely off the ground four feet.
It's like the worst billboard placement I've ever seen.
Speaker 6 (27:28):
Well, we need to we need to zoom out on
that one first and more. Maybe it's near a highway.
Speaker 5 (27:32):
Where are you on, Tomlin? I don't, I mean, I
get their frustration. They're in the playoffs every year it
were relevant.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
It was Pete Carolyn Seattle, good coach at time.
Speaker 5 (27:41):
Do you think it's signed now? Yeah, So you want
to move off Travis Kelcey and Mike Tomlin.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
That's the show today, by the way, Hall of Fame level,
like Pete carrolln Seattle, it was time. Okay, it doesn't
mean he can't coach.
Speaker 6 (27:51):
It's just running off Mike Tomlin.
Speaker 5 (27:53):
I'm not running you replacing him with who are you
the New York Giants? Yeah, let's get it. Who knew
what's our game played? Devin single tear?
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Who knew who Kevin Stefanski was before Kevin Stemanski? I
didn't know who Sean McVay was. I'd heard his name,
the idea. I mean, did you know before he became
a hot shot three years ago? Who the Bears new
coach was. Did you know who Bobby Slowik was? William
Cohen two years ago? He was in the Rams, but
people weren't talking about him.
Speaker 5 (28:23):
I mean, but it's one that a lot of those
teams didn't have a great coach before.
Speaker 6 (28:28):
You talk about Mike Tomlin.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
How many times do we say you don't want to
follow up a superstar, a Hall of Famer following Belichick.
Speaker 6 (28:34):
How'd that work out for Mayo? One and done?
Speaker 5 (28:37):
You follow Tomlin and missed the playoffs? After all he
does is make the playoffs your toast. I mean, I
know it hasn't been great. I'm gonna keep Mike Tomlin. Guy,
I'm sorry, I would retain.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
I'm not demanding it. They're not falling apart. I think
they're tone deaf to offense. I think the culture's all defense.
I mean, remember Jimmy Johnson replaced Tom Landry. I mean, okay,
Belichick got replaced, Danny Reid got replaced. It's not an indictment.
I mean, Eric Spolstra, Steve Kerr, Greg Popovich, everybody in
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the NBA gets replaced except those three guys.
Speaker 5 (29:13):
I mean, Dolphins move on from Don Schule and it
took like twenty five years to win a playoff game. Like,
it's really tough when you run off a legend. I
understand the frustration. I'm just going to remind people the
Jets have the longest postseason drought in professional sports in America.
Speaker 6 (29:27):
Okay, dam bensonce Mark Stantez took him there. We would
kill for six straight.
Speaker 5 (29:32):
Playoff runs the way Tomlin even though he's losing, Like,
just be happier in the postseason.
Speaker 6 (29:37):
No, not everybody's winning a super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Yeah, if you're the Jags the Steelers, standard is just
be happy you're in. I think you have to be
honest about Pittsburgh. Lamar Jackson and Joe Burrow are top
five quarterbacks. You are at best going to have the
third best quarterback in that division for the foreseeable future
five years to ten minimum. Now, with Bradshaw you had
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a ten twelve year run, you had the best quarterback.
With Big Ben fifteen year run, you had the best quarterback.
But Pittsburgh's history is when they do not have the
best quarterback in the division, they do not hoist trophies.
And they're not gonna find anybody in the next couple
of years that's as good as Joe Burrow, who's historically good,
or Lamar Jackson, who is historically good. They're gonna have
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the third best court. Thank god, Cleveland's a tire fire.
Speaker 5 (30:27):
Well, the way to get that quarterback is to just say,
you know what, we're gonna punt this season, We're gonna reboot,
we're trading TJ.
Speaker 6 (30:36):
Watt. We're moving off Pickings.
Speaker 5 (30:37):
We're gonna bought him out, and next year we got
the number two pick Arts Manning, come on down to
the Steel.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
City and I would do that. I would sell easier
said than that, I would do it. But it's in
Pittsburgh prime. When the last time the Steelers were awful,
I can't even think of a year. I don't even
know what the year.
Speaker 6 (30:54):
Is thanks to Mike Tomlin largely right.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Well, I think there's a lot of components. I think
they've been well run, well owned, smartly. I mean, I
think they draft at a very high level. I just
when I'm watching that offense, how many years now can
they not get the on line right? I mean, Andy
Reid needs help on the on line. By next year,
the Chiefs'll have a good old line. That's what they do.
Speaker 5 (31:18):
Final story is the Dallas Mavericks catching a lot of
heat for trading Luka Doncic. Remember we talked about this
following Monday's loss to the Kings. Jason Kidd declined talking
to the media afterwards, and things are getting worse College.
There is now a report that not only Anthony Davis
could be out a month, but it sounds like PJ.
(31:40):
Washington's gonna miss time. Yeah, Gafford's going to be out
two weeks. I've Lea's out to the rest of the
regular season. Dallas has done. They're cooked, and Jason kidd
Now has responded saying, I'm the one who gets the groceries,
and I got to figure out how to use it.
I don't want to be the one that's buying the groceries.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
A ie.
Speaker 5 (31:57):
He doesn't want to be the GM.
Speaker 6 (32:00):
This is they're done. I don't think they're making the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
They're not. All their best players are out.
Speaker 6 (32:06):
They're done, and Mark's schedule light. I looked at it.
Speaker 5 (32:08):
It is like like seven really good teams or good
players you're facing.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Hey Macris, Max Christy lean on him.
Speaker 6 (32:16):
He might be their starting star, starting point guard, or.
Speaker 5 (32:18):
If something happens to Kyrie. I don't know who they
have tonight, but they're in action.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
I think, I mean, think about this, think about Dallas.
Are they gonna become Chicago South Chicago? All their teams
are bad. Now, the Cubs did have a nice pickup
in the off season, but all their teams are bad.
Dallas is not a top ten team in the NFC.
They're definitely not a top five. The Mavericks season is over.
Thank God for the Stars, I mean, are the stars good?
(32:42):
Finally were a couple of years ago? Cole years.
Speaker 6 (32:45):
Who's there? Center?
Speaker 5 (32:46):
Mike Madonno Sega Genesis, old old video game joke. I'm
sure someone's gonna try to rip you on the internet
for not knowing that.
Speaker 6 (32:53):
But that's the last time I paid attend to be Sorry.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
MAV's host the Warriors tonight.
Speaker 6 (32:58):
Should we lay?
Speaker 1 (33:00):
So? I'm got Warriors, Let's do it? What's what's the number?
Speaker 6 (33:02):
And I gotta call it up?
Speaker 1 (33:04):
What's the number?
Speaker 6 (33:05):
Come on, man, what are we doing? You give me
good ten seconds here?
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Okay, fill the voyage after the Warriors? Minus seven?
Speaker 6 (33:13):
That's your guests. Okay, I am seeing there's a lot
of games tonight. Where the hell is oh minus six
and a half? Look at you now? It's in Dallas.
Speaker 5 (33:23):
So what we We're laying it with Jimmy Buckets and
Steph Curry Steph against Clay.
Speaker 6 (33:27):
Yeah, yeah, let's take it.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Fans are too busy protesting to boom Cleil Green, you'll support.
Speaker 6 (33:32):
What are you gonna do? A grand on the Warriors?
Speaker 1 (33:33):
A grand that was a joke.
Speaker 6 (33:36):
Regular season NBA spends a lot more than me. I'm
not doing that. Not regular season NBA. No way, that's suicidal.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
And by the way, Kyrie, you see how many minutes
he's been playing, like forty two minutes in February. Not
good and he has an injury history. They have fallen
off jmck with the news.
Speaker 6 (33:55):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by.
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Speaker 5 (35:12):
Saturday on Fox Primetime Hoops two of the Big Ten's
best go ahead to head at seven thirty Eastern eleventh
rank Michigan State takes on Illinois.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Can I give you a gem, A nine month ahead
of schedule gem? Can I if I say this, please do?
I'm not going to tell you my source Illinois football
makes the playoff next year. Go look at their schedule,
return the entire old line. Look at that. I looked
at their schedule last night they miss on Alla Illinois.
Speaker 5 (35:46):
What's you gotta be honest, what's going on with all
the Chicago love Chicago Bears, Illinois.
Speaker 6 (35:53):
Illinois making the playoff. I'll take that bet. I'll give
you odds too. Okay, right now, do you owe me
a seventeenth steak dinner?
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Which okay, okay, right now, go look at what they return.
Go look do it just on on the air as
I rant this, go look at it real quick?
Speaker 3 (36:05):
You ran?
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Okay'm my rant because I want to talk about this.
So Matt Patricia has just been named the defensive coordinator
at Ohio State. And for the record, in the animated
the Playoff basketball school, we don't think illinoy can. I'll
get to that in a second. So Matt Patricia is
going to get So I think Ryan Day tried the
NFL thing with Chip Kelly and went hell Israeli helps
(36:28):
and now with nil, what you're seeing in college football
these programs now are hiring NFL gms who are out
of work or you know, they're kind of banging around
and scouting. They're not the GM, they're hiring them. So
college football is really grabbing NFL people. I think it's
really smart. Green Bay. By the way, remember they went
and got Boston College's head coach. They made him a
(36:50):
defensive coordinator, and I think Ryan Day looked at Chip
Kelly and thought, it's a different level of intellect, experience.
They understand the pro game. My guys are all getting
paid now. So Matt Patricia may not be a guy
who is a head coach. We know he's not a
good OC, but as a d C, I think he's fantastic.
And this is one of the cool things. What's happening
(37:11):
with college football is that, you know, it was always
college football could borrow some you know, NFL sometimes borrowed
stuff from college football. College football now is going up
and taking NFL guys out. And what you're going to
see is some of these college coaches who don't want
to deal with all the nil and their take is,
(37:31):
if I'm going to be coaching in a league where
guys are getting paid, I'll just go to the NFL.
Now that doesn't mean every college coach can be an
NFL coach, but Matt Patricia I think will be pretty good.
I just Matt Patricia's the classic excellent coordinator. Never worked
as a head coach. He's a little gruff. Reportedly he
(37:53):
and Stafford weren't tight. I mean, I thought Belichick moving
him to OC was bizarre. I didn't get that. He
doesn't have the cent ability to the personality to be
an offensive coach. He's kind of a gruff, tough guy.
Smart guys in DC. By the way, By the way,
go look at the schedule. Go look at the schedule
for next year. Move it up a little bit. Here,
(38:15):
guy on the screen. So they don't face Michigan, they
don't face Oregon, they don't they get Ohio State at home,
and then it looks like a basketball schedule all these ws.
Illinois is gonna make the tournament next year. They get
USC at home, semi tough, they have one big game
(38:38):
in the schedule. You're like, uh oh, and they host
Ohio State. Folks, I just hand out money on this show.
It's all I do.
Speaker 6 (38:45):
You know the saying never get high on your own supply. Yeah,
I think you're.
Speaker 5 (38:48):
All excited that you nailed a bunch of NFL stuff
a year early, and you're trying to call your shot Colin.
Speaker 6 (38:53):
Illinois to win the Natty.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Okay, plus twenty North.
Speaker 5 (38:57):
Carolina's got better off tech, Colin, this is this is
not one of your good takes bro.
Speaker 6 (39:03):
To win the Natty, But you get in the mix, right.
Speaker 5 (39:06):
They don't have to get to the playoff odds, at
least at the shops on looking at.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
Hey, the Indiana Hoosiers made the playoff.
Speaker 6 (39:13):
Listen, how's this we'll we'll just have fun with it.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Go look at what they return on the offensive line.
Speaker 6 (39:21):
Yeah, okay, I would give you like ten to one odds,
you know on this.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Take the playoffs?
Speaker 5 (39:27):
Yeah, you give me a thousand. I'll give you ten
thousand if Illinois makes a playoff. Shit again, Well, maybe
I shouldn't say that all.
Speaker 6 (39:34):
Yeah, well talk, we'll talk off air. Well there's no
chance of this.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
Okay, tell me what tell.
Speaker 6 (39:38):
Me again, we'll talk about it off air.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
I should not have said, no, no, let's do it for
America to walk.
Speaker 6 (39:42):
No, let's not. Let's not suppose. I got to clear
that with the wife.
Speaker 5 (39:45):
You know, it's five figure suns eddy NFL bets, they're significant.
Speaker 6 (39:49):
I got okay, Colin, this is how about I'm looking.
Speaker 5 (39:51):
At Pro Football Focus did their top twenty five preseason
Illinois does not sniff it. I'm looking at top ten
players in college fotball. Don't see any Illinois guys.
Speaker 6 (39:59):
I don't where you're getting this, but you do have
some sources. So I've got to respect it, and I'm
gonna hold off. I'm a stand down on all.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
I'll make you bet. I let's bet your share of
that Mexican soccer team. That's definitely not happening.
Speaker 6 (40:12):
That's not okay.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
I'm just throwing out Illinois. I like it. Maybe I'll
unveil my source tomorrow. I don't even all unveil my
source tomorrow when I'm not going to give you, Jeff
George your source. I'm not giving you all my stuff
in one day. I gotta expect. I'm on tomorrow and
got a week off. I gotta not a lot going
on now. I gotta extend my sourcing.
Speaker 6 (40:32):
I like this bold that is. That's as bold as
it gets.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
It's funny though, with Matt Patricia going to college like
Ryan Day was. Just think about how crazy football is.
Ryan Day was in big trouble, twenty point favorite at
home beat by Michigan. He was, he was in huge
trouble and then Tennessee You're like, oh, holy hell, they're
(41:01):
ticked off and then Oregon. WHOA what did I just watch?
It is amazing. What is happening to college football is
now you guys got to take a chill pill on
your Buckeye reddit boards. The bottom line, Now you're playing
fifteen games in a schedule. It used to be you
paid eleven, you played twelve. Now you're playing fifteen. Regular
season losses do not define you. The first year we
(41:24):
had the College Football Playoff, the first year it became
the NFL Playoffs. You can stink in December last year
at this time, Chiefs lost the Raiders in December and
won the Super Bowl. So Ryan Day went from the
hottest seat imaginable to a contract extension in two months.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
It is.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
They were so bad against Michigan and then beat Oregon
like a drum crush Tennessee. It's just college football, like
it or not. Between paying the players and the coaches
and the playoff, it is now it's pro football. I
mean it's basically high end amateur, low end pro football.
College football
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