June 30, 2025 • 42 mins
Colin tells you why he was right about LeBron James but wrong about James Harden.
Plus, he talks to 3-time Pro Bowl quarterback Matt Hasselbeck about the expectations for Caleb Williams in year 2 and why his leadership needs to improve significantly
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
It's our two hour one flew by. We got so
much stuff today live. We're in Chicago. It's The Herd.
Wherever you may be and however you may be listening.
Thanks for making us part of your day, So j Mac,
it was interesting the I'm interested to talk to Matt
Hasselting about this. Danny parkins, I'll play it later in
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the show from Chicago. Big Bears fan works on FS
one the morning Breakfastball, and he talked about it this
week about he just wants to see, you know, Caleb
Williams go from twenty touchdowns to thirty, from thirty five
hundred yards to four thousand, and I'm interested to talk
to Matt Hasselback. I don't care about any of that.
To me, it's all about the sacks with a bat
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old line in New York. Aaron Rodgers got sacked like
forty times. Caleb got sacked almost seventy. If you told
me the sacks went from sixty eight to thirty four,
I don't care about the wins. I don't care about
the touchdowns. Sacks mess with a young quarterback's body and
their psychology.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Do you think it's a structure thing.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Just play in structure, don't do the backyard footballing to
run into sacks.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
I think it's a delicate balance. But everybody's talking about stats.
For Caleb Williams, all I care about. All I care
about is the sack number is in the mid to
low thirties. If that's the answer, it will have been
a successful season. Because if we have another year where
he's fifty plus sacks, you start messing with the young
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guy's confidence. You mess with their timing, rhythm, their game,
their physicality. So I'm gonna get to him in just
a few minutes. But first, where Colin was right, where
Colin was wrong, Where Colin was right, we Lebron opted in.
I had said this was it two to three months ago.
When Lebron hinted it retirement, I said, oh my god,
are we going to do this again. It's four years
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in a row. It's like the Brett Farb Tour. Lebron's
not retiring. He's too good. He plays joyfully. Los Angeles
is good for him. He's got Luca Dantag. Yes he'll
opt in, Yes he's gonna play.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
It's nonsense, and we were right where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Well, a week ago, goalie Matt Freeze I said, look
too anxious over his head, nervous, Probably not our answer
for the United States men's national team in goal. And
then yesterday, during PK's three saves, got his hand on
two others. He rose to the moment. In my opinions,
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her he's secured the goalie job for Team USA. Where
Colin was right. Kaylin Clark isn't just the best young
player in the WNBA.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
She's Tiger Woods.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Yesterday sold out her shoe in ten minutes, according to reports,
ten minutes. She's getting the most votes on the All
Star Game. She's driving half of the league's television ratings.
I said a year ago she is Taylor Swift with
a jumper. She is not just helping the league. She
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literally got a teammate's jersey sold out in fifteen minutes.
Sophia Cunningham just by proxy, a player that had been
in the league seven years, just a teammate. She's getting
stuff sold out. She is bigger than either even the WNBA,
which has finally come around acknowledges where Colin was right.
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Former Pittsburgh Steeler James Harrerson last week admitted what we've
been on for years. Mike Tomlin's strength, he's a players coach.
Mike Tomlin's weakness, he's a players coach. Yes, many players
can handle that, but increasingly guys like Jalen Ramsey, who's
only but as good as the structure. He's been supported
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by the Rams. It doesn't work. So this is what
I've said about the Steelers for years. I'm not saying
Mike Tomlin can't coach, but he's loose and details win
in December, January and February, and James Harrison admitting the
organization is to.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Player friendly where Colin was wrong. James Harden signed.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Another deal two years, forty plus million a year. Listen,
I last year he shot forty one percent from the field.
He doesn't defend, he never shows up in the playoffs.
I am not denying his greatness. I am not denying
his Hall of Fame stature. I'm not denying offensive leads.
One of the great guards of all time. But if
Steve Balmer cares about winning and culture and how do
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you win in the playoffs? Who is the best defensive
team in the league? Oksee who won? OKC, That's not
the way to do it. Where Colin was right, Sean
Payton ranked number two coaching in the NFL by PFF.
Andy Reid number one. I just saw this weekend. He
took a bad offensive line. The old line is now
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ranked number two. He took over a shaky defense. They
led the NFL in sacks. They upgraded it safety and
linebacker on players that were just niners a year ago.
He inherited a horrible culture, a mess at quarterback, moved
off Russell Wilson, dead cap money, and in a division
with Andy Reid and Jim Harbaugh, took a rookie quarterback
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to the playoffs. This is what I've been saying about
Sean Payton. He is direct, he is kurt, He can
turn people off. He is brilliant.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Where Colin was right, I said last.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Week, there's seven athletes in America that are untradeable. Aaron
Judge Is absolutely won yesterday to homers four RBIs leads
baseball at three point fifty six second in home runs.
He's not just a great Yankee. He went on a
brief hitting slump. The Yankees got shut out. He is
literally the centerpiece, as good as Otawny is if he
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takes a day off. I got Mokie Betts, I got Maximunsei,
I got Freddie Freeman. He is the centerpiece of East
Coast baseball.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Where Colin was robbed.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Austin Reeves declined ninety million from the Lakers. Why his
representation believes open market or the Lakers. In a year
he's going to get closer to one hundred and fifty million.
I'd trade him tomorrow for Derek White. I think he's
a really good b player. They are nights. He has
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an a offense night, but he's not dynamic vertically. He's
a good shooter, not elite. But I'm wrong because apparently
often in his reps CNA player where Colin was right.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
What do you know?
Speaker 1 (07:15):
The Tampa Bay Buccaneers extended Jason light the GM. Do
you realize the team with the longest active playoffs streak
in the NFC is the box, not the Eagles or
the Ravens or the Rams. Excuse me, Ravens refc. Jason
Light one of the best scouts ever been on this
for years. Tampa Bay for years had excellent rosters. They
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couldn't get the quarterback right. Jason got Baker when a
lot of people were doubting him. He was one of
only two GMS that aggressively pursued Tom Brady. Tampa will
remain talent rich as long as Jason Light is the GM.
And with that, Matt Hasselbeck is joining us and he's
joining us live. Okay, So I want to get into
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the Caleb Williams thing before I get into the Jalen
Ramsey thing. Is that I've always felt this, even with
my kids, when I had six different kids, if they
were struggling, little unstable stuffs in their head, number one
rule was just stabilize them. I'm not worried about growth.
I'm just let's stabilize. And I tend to believe that
with quarterbacks. With a young quarterback, I'm not looking for growth.
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With Caleb Williams, it was such a mess last year.
Just cut the sacks in half. I don't care about
anything else, So I maybe I'm being a little over
the top. But when people suggest they want him to
go to thirty touchdowns and four thousand yards, I'm like,
I don't care. The sacks are everything to me. How
does that land for you?
Speaker 5 (08:46):
Well, it's certainly number one. You got to walk before
you can run, is how I would say it. But
I like to give quarterbacks usually two or three things
to really focus in on and improve on from one
year to the next. Think that's what helped me the most.
Sacks would definitely be at the top of the list.
Sacks hurt your team, They hurt your offensive line, they
hurt morale, they hurt your own personal like your physic.
Speaker 6 (09:09):
Out, your body.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
But it's also very bad on the defense, that field
positioning game. So it's a you know, this idea of
protect the team. Sacks are an absolute killer. I thought,
if you know, if we were assigning blame to what
why so many sacks last year in Chicago, The majority
of the sacks were not the fault of the offensive line.
They were the fault of the young quarterback. It's very common.
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It's not special to Caleb. We've all lived it and
that's an area that he needs to improve on, and
I think he probably will, but it needs to be
pretty significant.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
You know, when you say he's got to get better,
is that is that pre snap? Is that holding the ball?
Some guys could. There's people open, they just don't.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
They want to.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
They're seeking a bigger play. When you watched him, what
did you see? Why was he inducing sacks? Well?
Speaker 5 (10:01):
I think early on, you know, early on, his eyes
were in the wrong place. He didn't look like it
didn't look like he had a clear grasp of the
protection schemes.
Speaker 6 (10:10):
I think that was a big part of it.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
Now, they made the head coaching change, and they made
the offensive coordinator change. His position coach, you know, was
in the room with him calling plays. The offensive coordinator knew,
and I think they simplified it and they brought it down.
But I think what got him into trouble in the
second part of the year was he trusted his in
his athleticism so much like you saw these things where
he got away with it at USC, You're not going
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to get away with it in the NFL. And I
think that's one of the hard things for quarterbacks who
have great mobility.
Speaker 6 (10:38):
It's it's it's I would say.
Speaker 5 (10:40):
It's great mobility in college, and it's just kind of
like good mobility in the NFL.
Speaker 6 (10:44):
And there's a fine line there.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
But I think he needs to play on time more
than he did and uh, maybe a little bit less
of the playground stuff save that for when you absolutely
need it.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
It reminds me of a mat a little of golf,
where everybody wants to buy a new driver, and it's like,
if you're putting improves, your score improves. The driver is
not going to win your strokes. It's all around the greens, right,
So I think, yeah, with Caleb, I don't worry about
his driving. You got to make the pots in the
red zone.
Speaker 6 (11:14):
Well, it's putt, it's what is it putt for dough drive?
For show?
Speaker 5 (11:17):
You know, I would say, I would say in a
similar way somewhere on that list, I think number two
for me would just probably be overall leadership, like we're
looking at you. I mentioned body language like that bothers me.
That really bothered me how he handled that last year.
But then also like you know, you can't miss the layups,
you can't miss.
Speaker 6 (11:34):
The free throws.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
He is he's gonna have splash plays, but he's also
going to miss some wide open guys or he did
last year. And I think that's another area, probably that
third area that I think he needs to improve on.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
All Right, So been on this for a while. The Rams,
the Eagles, and the Chiefs spent all their money on offense.
The league ten years ago, after that CTE check they
wrote moved to benefiting the offense. So there's limits even
a great defense. Couple of years ago the Niners had
a great defense. They faced Mahomes, he ate them alive.
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There's just limitations on what a great defense can do
because of rule changes. So the Steelers this morning said
we're gonna spend even more money on defense. We'll move
off MinC and get Ramseys. Like, guys, how about just
move off MinC go get more offense.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
So what do you make of the Jalen Ramsey move
to the Steelers?
Speaker 5 (12:25):
Now, listen, the Steelers are just gonna do what the
Steelers do. They do not care about the rest of
the league. They don't care about what anybody else does.
They say, Hey, we're the Steelers, this is how we operate.
So I don't think that's going to change but I
do think this. It looks like they're building a team
to stop the Cincinnati Bengals. Like when I look at them,
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I really feel like they're coming up with, like what
is our identity going to be? It's almost like they
have confidence in what they have, like what we have
can take care of the Baltimore Ravens, like.
Speaker 6 (12:55):
We're good, but like, man, I don't know how we're
going to stop the Cincinnati Bengals.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
Like I do believe that there's a fear there of
like personnel wise, we don't match up well with them.
And the Steelers and some other teams that have always
been like thirty four defenses, three down linemen, four linebackers,
they're playing more of this four to two, five four
down linemen, two inside or four rushers, two inside backers.
Speaker 6 (13:18):
And five dbs.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
And I think what kind of dbs is where they've
you know.
Speaker 6 (13:24):
They now have some flexibility.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
They basically have three corners to go to go up
and fight, kind of like that Joe Burrow three wide
receiver set. So I think that's a trend league wide.
Certainly the Steelers look like they feel pretty good about
that trend as well. Yeah, Okay, well listen, if I'm
going to give you some confidence about it, I do
think that there's a play here for the offense. You know,
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like Arthur smith identity. Last year you saw he went
with a lot of twelve personnel. Thirteen personnel meaning two
tight ends in the game or three tight ends in
the game.
Speaker 6 (13:56):
I think they just.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
Want to get a little more talented at that spot.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
Three different guys.
Speaker 5 (14:01):
They've got Friar Move, They've got Darnell Washington, who's a
joy to watch in the running game.
Speaker 6 (14:06):
I mean, he's a monster.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
And then they go get John new Smith, a player
that I think is more wide receiver than his tight end.
Speaker 6 (14:13):
Arthur Smith's been with him a few times, loves him.
Speaker 5 (14:16):
I know that as this as the league goes to
kind of what I was talking about, five dbs on
the field more, the Steelers and Arthur Smith look like
they're saying, Okay, you want to get cute with five DB's,
we're going to smash it down your throat. We're gonna
have a bruising, bruising running game, and we can still
throw it with these guys. Shifts, motions, all that kind
of stuff. It's identity for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Again, we
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don't care what the rest of the league is doing.
We're doing what we're doing. And I think having a
clear identity is very helpful, you know.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
I think over obviously, people have been hiring offensive coaches
more than defensive coaches.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Whenever there's a big.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Opening, you always see four offensive guys for a defensive guy.
And that's not to say guys like Demiko Ryan can't
work on the other side. But I was also thinking
about something the other day, is that I there's a
lot of people Mike McDaniel came from the Niners. Shanahan
may do a lot of motion, but he's really like
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his dad. He's all about physical run games. Mcveigh's a
culture guy. Shannan's a culture guy. Rabel's a culture guy.
Dan Campbell's a culture guy. The Harbawser culture guys. Pete
Carroll's got more of a culture guy. Is that I
look at Miami and Mike McDaniel and it's like he
took the Niners. He went to Miami with a similar quarterback,
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a smaller guy, not a huge arm, moves a little accurate.
But I don't think he's built a culture. I think
it's all sizzle and no steak and Miami to me
this year, when I hear about coaches in the hot seat,
I'm like, I look at Miami and all I hear
the media love Mike McDaniel, but there's no there there,
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And I think we're moving into a time in the end,
culture beyond just schematics matters and that Mike McDaniel may
be clever, but the physical culture and component of that
Niners offense, he didn't bring it to Miami and I
don't buy them and I think they probably finished fourth
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and two years ago they were the.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Talk of the league. Where are you on.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Miami, McDaniel the motion to the sizzle because it's not
working and it's going backwards.
Speaker 6 (16:31):
Are you saying fourth in the AFC East? Is that
what you're saying?
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Yes, Wow, that's bold.
Speaker 6 (16:37):
I'd put him third. Listen. Culture matters one hundred percent.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
I think it matters more than next as and o's
most of the time, especially in football, especially when you're
in a city like Miami with all the distractions that
are down there.
Speaker 6 (16:49):
You're not in Green Bay, Wisconsin or something like that,
so the.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
Distractions are real. That's a real thing. I kind of
believe in Mike McDaniel is. I kind of believe in
him as a coach. I even believe that he can
be the right culture guy. But no, it's it's listen.
They're swimming upstream just a little bit. Even in their division,
the Buffalo Bills, like everyone thinks that, hey, that's going
to be the winner in that division.
Speaker 6 (17:11):
The Patriots are vastly improved this year.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
They clearly have an identity. You know, you just look
at the teams last year that had double digit wins.
Speaker 6 (17:19):
The AFC is tough. Seven teams are going to get in.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
An explosive team like the Cincinnati Bengals didn't even make
the playoffs last year. The Steelers clearly got better. The
AFC West is talented.
Speaker 6 (17:31):
If you don't win in.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
Miami, a team with a great fan base that expects
to win and they've got fireworks, Yeah, people are going
to be calling for your for your job.
Speaker 6 (17:39):
That's going to be the nature of it.
Speaker 5 (17:42):
But the creativity and the the identity of what they
can be offensively, it clearly is there. Like it's it's
the potential is there. It's an interesting thing that you
bring up. I don't know that I would say fourth
at the end of the day. I feel like he
was hired though, to get to back on track.
Speaker 6 (18:02):
He did a pretty darn good job of that.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
I think they just need to take a next step,
and sometimes it's just tough late in the year. Those
warm weather teams, they don't perform at the end of
the year the way that they did at the beginning
of the year because they got to go on the
road and play somewhere like Buffalo or New England.
Speaker 6 (18:19):
That'll be the test for them this year.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Matt Hasselbeck, it is a Monday. He's ad an undisclosed,
very nice location which I'll be close to in a
couple of days. It is great seeing my man.
Speaker 6 (18:32):
It's nan Tucket. Just say it now. I just outed
you on your vacation, all right.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Matt Hasselbeck, who's been a joint since he came to
the show.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
No, I was thinking about this j Mac is that
sometimes like the media, and we know this.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
The media likes the media.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
And Mike McDaniel was seen as sort of you know,
he's a small guy physically, but he's smart. He was
kind of funny at the podium. The NFL is a
sport of big men, big men. They were in high school,
they're big in college. They're big, physical men and they
respond to other big men. And if you look at
what's happening in the NFL McVeigh, you say, well, mcveigh's
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not big. McVeigh is an athlete, he's culture, he's smart,
he owns a room.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
I mean, it's not debatable.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Like there's an argument that McVeigh is probably the best
guy at the podium in the league. And I think Miami,
it's squirrely, it's fun, it's smart.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
I am three years into this Mike McDaniel thing.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
What are they I'd think it's less about him because
he's smart, articulate, really cuts through to the players you
see behind the scenes. It's less about how the team
is built. And honestly, I don't think they've done a
good job.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
I'm sure you saw.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
Tyreek Hill just chimed in on the trade with the
Will Smith meme from Fresh Prince of bel Air, like
it's over, there's nobody here. Tyreek Hill has been chirping
about getting.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Him out of there for like two years, dealing with
Jalen Ramsey.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
To me, this Dolphins move, they're rearranging the chairs on
the Titanic.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
They're going down.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
Everybody knows it, and they're just trying some last ditch
effort here.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
It's not gonna matter. But it's not on McDaniel though, well.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
It ultimately has to be on the coach. You can
blame anybody in New England bella chick got fired at
the end. You're paying the coach fifteen million. It's on
the coach. You can't blame the GM because you're not winning.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Get employed for what like a week?
Speaker 2 (20:21):
No, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
I don't believe Mike McDaniel gets a second nod. What
don't I don't, I don't. It's got a Pro Bowl quarterback.
They've gone backwards for three years, and why would I get.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Bold quarterbacks out their garbage.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
That's on McDaniel. That's on quarterback for getting hurt all
the time. Okay with the offensive line.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
My point being, you tell me the market that's going
to buy a coach and that in his first job.
Remember Miami won I think it was nineteen games the
two years before we got there. They won twenty with
him in the first two years. One more spending big
time money and getting stars and then went backwards last year.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Okay, I would definitely disagree. I think Dad almost instantly
for another head coach based on what he's an offensive mastermind.
It's not his fault. The defense got stopping nosebleed and
the offensive lines of train wreck. The GM in the
front office in Miami has been the downfall McDaniel.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Again, I would not blame him, Colin. I think he's excellent.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
I mean, at some point in this league, the best
coaches keep winning. Andy Reid wins regardless of quarterback. Even
in Philly he was getting ANFC championships.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
He had Donovan McNabb.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Come on, who's a not a top fifty quarterback ever,
not even close.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
He's not. That's not disputable.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
But Donny donald McNabb was a good quarterback. They had
a great defense in Philly. Yeah, reads a good coach.
Come on, No, no, you're not listening. I'm not denying
he is. You're saying McDaniels is. I'm saying, where's the proof.
Where's the proof?
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Well, they got into the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Has any team been humiliated more by Buffalo in the
league than Miami. They get humiliated by them. They can't
compete in their own division with the best. Forget the
rest of the AFC. I mean again, I go back
to what's the market for You tell me I'm an owner. Hey,
we've got a job opening. Let's hire a guy that young.
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His first job he failed at in a market that
free agents love to play, no state tax awqua water.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
So who's the equivalent of the NFC? Would you say
it's the floor? Because he's not some big imposing figure.
He got delt Aaron Rodgers won a lot. Now Rodgers
is gone, and what are we seeing from the floor?
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Playoffs? The Dolphins got to the playoffs under Green Bay
has no owner. Free agents won't play there. The division
is there are no bad teams in that division.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
And by the way, you're dealing with the quarterback Jordan Love,
who is not who sat for three years. We still
don't know how good he is. Toua was a first
round pick who's already made a Pro Bowl. I mean,
I'm not a huge to a fan, but he's made
Pro Bowls. He's His comp was Drew Brees, who was
Jordan Love's comp. Who would you rather have Jordan Love
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or to a well, I'd rather have Jordan Love because
he's bigger with a better arm. Today, I would three
years ago, I wouldn't. When McDaniel took the job, I
would have rather had two of than Jordan Love. Now
going into this year, I would take Jordan Law.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
Okay, so Zach Taylor or Mike McDaniel, wh would you
rather have his head coach?
Speaker 2 (23:36):
I wouldn't hire either.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
I mean if I was an owner and there was
an opening and they were on the market, those would
not be choices.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
So now Brian Dabele probably would be my choice over McDaniel.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
But yes, what has Brian Dabel done as a head coach?
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Colin got Daniel Jones to the playoffs and won a
playoff game.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Mine he got to the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
They just said that they didn't win a playoff game.
And now Dabel's backsliding badly.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
But you're telling me got a market. My take is.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
What top tier team is like, not even average team.
Well what listen, the Dolphins weren't good before him, They're
getting worse.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Now.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
How's this if Jonathan Gannet I would argue this in area.
But people may criticize Brian Flores. Brian Floor is a
better head coach. He didn't get along with Tua. Brian
Flores took the Dolphins over in eight weeks eight weeks.
We're going into year four with McDaniel. In eight weeks
the Dolphins were an elite defense and had elite special teams.
In eight weeks eight we're on year four for McDaniel.
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Nobody's got the Dolphins being elite this year. You got
culture problems. Tyreek Hilling, Jalen Ramsey. Neither one either wants
to play there. One's gone. One could be that.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
On McDaniel though, so by the way, they went nine
to eight playoffs eleven and six playoffs lost to the Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
No harm in that.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
And in their first year they had Skyler what's his
face at quarterback as Tour was hurt and then last
year eight and nine, three years, he's twenty eight and
twenty three with two playoff trips.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
I mean, are you zero and two? Laflour's got three playoffs?
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Where's one for you? Are you ready?
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Dan Campbell or Mike McDaniel. Dan Campbell he can build
a culture. Their culture is one of the best in
the NFL. Dan Campbell in the Lions culture. Whether you
like Dan or not, And I was not a huge
fan Initially. Their culture is out of this world. The
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Lion's culture is we said there's three years ago. Nobody
in the league plays harder than Detroit. They've had major
personnel issues on the defensive side when Hutchison got hurt.
They have no defense their culture. I mean, think about this.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Matt Lafleur won two games last year with Malik Willis
at quarterback, who who Tennessee drafted an hour later said yeah, that's.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Not gonna work.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
I mean it was like a second round pick. They
were like, yeah, I think you got to forget what
round he was drafted in. But they literally bailed on
him before he was like halfway through his contract. Lafleur
won two games with him. That was And if I
recall he got Malik Willis, he wasn't even on the
roster like a month earlier. Yes, with a third round pick.
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He wasn't on the like the off season roster. I
think they brought him in due to an injury, and boom,
they brought him in August twenty six.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
This is interesting.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
You win though, and he wins two games in September.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
I did not know you were this anti Mike McDaniel.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
I'm not anti. It's the numbers zero and two in
the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
I mean he walked to the playoffs and Josh Allen
in Buffalo and Patrick Mahomes and KC. Where's the Hartt?
That one of them his backup quarterback?
Speaker 3 (26:43):
What are we doing?
Speaker 4 (26:45):
The Jets would take him in a heartbeat, a heartbeat
so they could have an offense.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
They've not an offense in a decade.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Colin, the Jets just hired another coach. I have to
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Speaker 1 (27:35):
Daniel in Miami is My feeling has always been the
longer somebody is employed, the more the truth comes out.
You can be employed, have kind of a rocky six months,
but if you're there in six years, the truth will
come out that you're a very good employee.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
And I think you know it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
You can have a bad year, but eventually, over time
you will see. The longer an employee is part of
any company, everybody has bad days, everybody needs a mulligan.
But Mike McDaniel, now I got three full years. Miami's
no better than they were when he took over, and
in fact, the culture's worse. So I don't want to
hear about personnel. And by the way, Kyle Shanahan has
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had bad years, but over the course of time he
ends up in Super Bowls. McVeigh a couple of years ago,
had you know, a rebuild season. The following year they're
in the playoffs in his second rebuild year. The longer
any employee is at any company, the truth comes out.
I've said this with real estate agents. If they work
for ten years, take out their worst year and their
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best year. What is their average the remaining eight Everybody
has good years in business, the market moves up. You know,
you sell a great home because of a friendship through
the family, and everybody has a bad year. COVID hits.
Nobody's buying homes over the course of ten years. Take
everybody's worst year out. Nobody had a good year during COVID.
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Take out everybody's best year at their work. What are
the remaining eight years? Even when I think about Hall
of Fames, Matt Ryan, take out his best year, the
MVP year, take out his worst year, then.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Is he a Hall of Famer?
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Probably not so, Whereas with Philip Rivers, I got more
consistency in high production, best year or worst year. Now
he may not make the Hall of Fame either. But
even if you take out Eli Manning's best year, his
second best year, he still beat Tom Brady in the
Super Bowl and had one of the most iconic throws.
So quality over time, the truth will come out for
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all of us over the course of our resumes or
our lives. And I'm just sitting there in Miami three
years into it. I'm like I got a bowl of nothing.
I got nothing here. The culture's average, the roster's okay
to it is fine. I thought Brian Flores in eight
weeks changed the culture the defense and special teams. You
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didn't have to like Brian. You could think Brian was
too harsh and Brian didn't make the quarterback feel good
about himself. All fair eight weeks in defense, special teams culture,
you didn't want to face the Dolphins.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
I remember Baltimore beat him.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
I swear to god dropped seventy autumn and it was
like five weeks later You're like, yeah, nobody wants to
play Miami. That to me, the longer Brian Flores was there,
then he goes to Minnesota. The longer reas in Minnesota.
Now the defense gets better. Jmack with a.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
News no, no, turn on the news. This is the
Herdline news.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
All right, Colin, Let's go to the NFL. We've had
some interesting debates. This one could get ugly. The New
England Patriots a team you love this season. You know
Mike Rabel's and his head coach.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
They have a.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
Lot of cap space and guess what they are closely
monitoring two contract disputes. Terry McLaurin in Washington and Micah
Parsons in Dallas.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Now this is smart business for New England. Hey, we
are open for business. We've got money McLaurin, and you're
unhappy Washington.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
We would gladly take him or Michael Parsons. I would
guess both of the chances of these happening are very low,
but it is a new era in New England, that's
for sure.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Terry McLaurin would be a perfect wide receiver for.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Drake May in New England.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
No ego grinder, productive, I mean you cannot. That is,
if you could pick a wide receiver for a young quarterback,
mclaurin's like top to Amaran Saint Brown. Terry McLaurin would
be my first two picks. Now, they're both super talented.
I'm not saying they're the most talented, but you're getting
an adult, uncompromised route tree, grown up, work hard, great teammate.
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I have loved you and I have both loved McLaurin.
This guy is exactly what everybody wants. To get a
productive receiver. You got to get baggage with a lot
of them. This guy is a total pro.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
But everything you just said is like Washington.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
Why would you let him leave Jaden Daniels when Jaden
Daniels was.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
Rookie of the Year. Unbelievable and McLaurin.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
Had his best years of bro Like, you get your quarterback.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
On the rookie deals, sign him. I don't know really what's.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Going on because Washington signed Debo to a big deal.
So do you want to pay two receivers? Charge money?
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Your quarterbacks make me nothing?
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Generally in the NFL? I mean some teams do DeVante Adams? Well, no,
they moved off Cooper. You don't want to pay two receivers.
You want to pay one receiver and then hopefully draft
the position. Well, it gets difficult because you don't want
to have two hyper expensive guys in one unit, right,
Like that's the problem with Cincinnati. It's like, Okay, we'll
pay Jamar, but can we pay Jamar and Burrow and
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Ti Higgins? So I think I think it's harder than
you did. Once they acquire Debo. You have to sit
down and you've got to try to get the best
deal you can from McLaurin because you don't want to
be putting all that money into just one.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
Unit in Let's move on to the Raiders Colin, they
obviously have Pete Carroll as their new head coach.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
Chip Kelly is the OC.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
Speaking at something called the Sack Summit, Max Crosby discuss
how the Raiders e vamped and said the OKAC Thunder
are something of a bootprint as they went from one
of the worst teams in the league to the title winners.
Crosby added that the Raiders has a lot of work
to do. Cowin, do you think there's any kind of
comparison here? Okay, see did go from you know, the
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outhouse to the penthouse in about four years?
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Well the division, let's agree on this. Has there ever
been a better coach division in football? Read Sean Payton,
Jim Harbaugh, Pete Carroll. So it's like I was thinking
about It's ironic. I was thinking about this yesterday. I
was watching cost Rika USA and just you know, kind
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of browsing and looking at stuff, and I thought, is
it possible? I looked at the Raiders schedule that Chargers, Broncos,
Chiefs all make the playoffs, and if you look at
the Raiders schedule, I'm like, I counted eight or nine
winnable games. Now, I mean, look at their schedule. Now,
there's some tough ones like at Philadelphia, at Houston late
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in the season, Kansas City, those are tough games. But
you start looking at the schedule. Jacksonville off of bye,
Tennessee Colts, we don't know what the Bears are, Dallas, Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
There's some doubleu's here for the Raiders.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
Okay, so let's start at week one. If they lose
that game, then they have to play a Charge of
the Division, very tough game. Then they play at Washington. So,
by the way, if you're tracking, that's a trip to
New England.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Then back to.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
The Desert, then back to the East Coast again.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
Colin they could easily start zero to three. Easily.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
I'm not denying that. But anytime I see the Colts, Titans,
and Bears early in the season in a row, those
are winnable games. By then hosting Jacksonville, I mean, Dallas
and Cleveland. Back back Schottenheimer could be on the ropes
by week eleven. I'm just saying, if you told me
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this team won eight games, and by the way, Kansas
City last week, how do we know they're not resting
starters for the playoffs?
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (35:00):
Please, they're gonna be trying to get in the playoffs,
but eight or nine wins sounds about right.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
The final story comes to the.
Speaker 4 (35:06):
NBA where big news DeAndre Ayton, the center in Portland
is being bought out. The report adds that Ayton was
looking to play in a winning situation and wouldn't you
know it, the Lakers are in need of a center. Now.
I'm not the biggest DeAndre Ayton guy. His end in
Phoenix was very bad and ugly. He got lazy, didn't
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want to work, he was unhappy.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
With the touches.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
I don't see how he really works with Luca and Lebron.
He kind of clogs the lane. But you know, there
are a lot of Laker fans out there who are like,
oh yeah, bring on eight.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
And he's a fifteen to ten guy. I don't know
that I see it.
Speaker 4 (35:42):
He's not the flexible, rim running, swatting big that like
is Derek Lively or even Nick Claxton.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
He's a little more ground bound and likes to hang
in the paint.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
I would love to see our guys, Ryan, what is
he ranked offensively as a center? So Aighton's very athletic,
super athletic. I mean again, you we showed you the highlights.
My question is what the Lakers are looking for because
at this point, Lebron's not an elite defender, Luca's definitely not,
and Austin Reeves is okay you need That's why Jackson
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Hayes doesn't work, because he's not really a rim defenders.
He's a pogo stick. He gets you some alleued dunks.
I don't know if Ayton I don't know.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
I don't think of it as an elite defensive center.
Is he?
Speaker 2 (36:28):
I don't think of it.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
Never made an All Star Game and last year he
had a one one block per game.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Yeah he And that's for a guy that Scott that
that's athletic.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
So he moved six percent on free throws.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
No thanks, Yeah, I just I don't. I don't listen.
I think he's been a disappointment and I still think
he's really talented. I think there are fits in the
league for him, But I think what the Lakers are
looking for he doesn't provide.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
In my opinion, Yeah, I don't necessarily see it. Now.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
You know, if you say, hey, let's put Luke on
the let's put Lebron on the bench for five minutes
have DeAndre Aidon and Luca run pick and roll. Maybe
there's something there, but honestly, Dorian Finney Smith to me
is way more important than DeAndre eight. Okay, I like
a stretch for a big hookn shoot threes eight AND's
not that guy.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
He's not that guy.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
So he's got he's a little old school. I mean
he's got like an old school big feel.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
Some twenty five years ago, DeAndre Ayton would have a
lot of suitors, you know, right, Yeah, J Mack with
the news.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The
Herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
I saw Bill Belichick quote this weekend that was really thoughtful.
I guess it happened a couple of weeks ago, and
I'll tell you how it's tied to Kayleb Williams of
the Bears.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
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Speaker 1 (37:50):
So we were talking about Kayleb Williams earlier. It just
I just saw recently on the Pivot It's a it's
a posts sports podcast, and they sat Bill Belichick down
and they started asking him about Brady. And you know,
those two had a marriage for twenty years, so they
know the ins and outs, the strengths, the weaknesses, and
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you know Brady didn't have a lot of weaknesses. But
it's funny about when you ask Belichick. Now, Belichick is
a defensive coach, so he's not somebody that falls in
love with creativity. He falls in love with efficiency. But
he was asked about the single greatest strength for twenty
years of Tom Brady, and this is what he mentioned.
Speaker 8 (38:36):
Tom did such a great job of not allowing negative
plays to happen to our offense. No pre snap penalties,
no sacks. He kept us out of negative plays and
kept us out of long yardage. So second and ten
the worst we're going to face this, you know, third
and ten, but usually second and ten became third and
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five and then you got a chance to pick it up.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
That's the sport Bill Parcells years ago. It's a field
position game. You don't want to be pinned deep in
your territory punting from your end zone. And so, and
I know you see this as a sports fan, how
often last year are the Bears, despite all the talent
Romadunze and Dj Moore and Caleb Williams and Cole Comet.
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It's second down in twenty one and you're punting from
the eight. You're losing the field possession game. And that
to me, I don't care about anything with Caleb Williams
next year, Seriously. I don't care about his yardage. I
don't care about his touchdown passes. If the sixty eight
sacks become thirty, I'm good. Everything is going to be okay.
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Here's Matt hasselback.
Speaker 6 (39:47):
Earlier on that early on, his eyes were in the
wrong place. It didn't look didn't look like he had.
Speaker 5 (39:52):
A clear grasp of the protection schemes.
Speaker 6 (39:56):
I think that was a big part of it.
Speaker 5 (39:57):
What got him into trouble in the second part of
the was he trusted his in his athleticism so much
like you saw these things that he got away with
it at USC, You're not going to get away with
it in the NFL. And I think that's one of
the hard things for quarterbacks who have great mobility. It's
it's it's I would say it's great mobility in college.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
And it's just kind of like good mobility in the NFL.
Speaker 6 (40:18):
And there's a fine line there.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Yeah, it's you know, we're always looking for the fireworks show,
but somebody's got to clean it up right and running around.
Caleb did have moments when he would run backwards. That
is a no. No works in high school sometimes in college, doesn't.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Work in the NFL. It just can't.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
I remember when Fran Tarkins and used to do it.
In the seventies, athletes, the best athletes were on offense.
Now they're on defense. Like the great athletes. Now you
get a lot of them on that defensive front. You
can't go backwards, cannot go backwards. You can run laterally.
But I to me, it's all sacks, all sacks.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
Clean that up. They'll be fine.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
It is The team in this division that's the mystery
to me is Green Bay and they have dominated Chicago
because I just they won eleven games last year and
yet we're one in five in division.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
So my I guess now.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
I was talking to my buddy John Middlkoff, who filled
in last week. He's like, if you win eleven games
and your one and five in division and your quarterback
got hurt, green Bay is gonna win eleven or twelve games.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
That's what they do. I can't argue out of that.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
But the one thing about green Bay, here's what green
Bay rarely allows sixty eight sacks. Green Bay may not
be flashy, they may not be the most vertical team.
Green Bay doesn't beat themselves. Green Bay's not punting from
the end zone. I mean, they just don't get into
those bad field positions. Swings in Chicago, that's all they were.
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Just keep it in front of you. It's like investing
for your retirement. It's amazing how far hitting doubles can go.
You don't need a lot of home runs. Just avoid
the strikeouts, just avoid the big missus hit a bunch
of doubles. All right, Last hour Alexiles.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
Is coming up.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
You know, Jay Mackie's one of my favorite guests. The
United States men's national team. They found a goalie. They're
moving to the semis.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
Remember how nervous you were ten days ago about this.
I talked you off the legs, cowhard. Another victory for macintyle.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
The hour three coming up,
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
It's our two hour one flew by. We got so
much stuff today live. We're in Chicago. It's The Herd.
Wherever you may be and however you may be listening.
Thanks for making us part of your day, So j Mac,
it was interesting the I'm interested to talk to Matt
Hasselting about this. Danny parkins, I'll play it later in
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the show from Chicago. Big Bears fan works on FS
one the morning Breakfastball, and he talked about it this
week about he just wants to see, you know, Caleb
Williams go from twenty touchdowns to thirty, from thirty five
hundred yards to four thousand, and I'm interested to talk
to Matt Hasselback. I don't care about any of that.
To me, it's all about the sacks with a bat
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old line in New York. Aaron Rodgers got sacked like
forty times. Caleb got sacked almost seventy. If you told
me the sacks went from sixty eight to thirty four,
I don't care about the wins. I don't care about
the touchdowns. Sacks mess with a young quarterback's body and
their psychology.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Do you think it's a structure thing.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Just play in structure, don't do the backyard footballing to
run into sacks.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
I think it's a delicate balance. But everybody's talking about stats.
For Caleb Williams, all I care about. All I care
about is the sack number is in the mid to
low thirties. If that's the answer, it will have been
a successful season. Because if we have another year where
he's fifty plus sacks, you start messing with the young
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guy's confidence. You mess with their timing, rhythm, their game,
their physicality. So I'm gonna get to him in just
a few minutes. But first, where Colin was right, where
Colin was wrong, Where Colin was right, we Lebron opted in.
I had said this was it two to three months ago.
When Lebron hinted it retirement, I said, oh my god,
are we going to do this again. It's four years
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in a row. It's like the Brett Farb Tour. Lebron's
not retiring. He's too good. He plays joyfully. Los Angeles
is good for him. He's got Luca Dantag. Yes he'll
opt in, Yes he's gonna play.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
It's nonsense, and we were right where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Well, a week ago, goalie Matt Freeze I said, look
too anxious over his head, nervous, Probably not our answer
for the United States men's national team in goal. And
then yesterday, during PK's three saves, got his hand on
two others. He rose to the moment. In my opinions,
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her he's secured the goalie job for Team USA. Where
Colin was right. Kaylin Clark isn't just the best young
player in the WNBA.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
She's Tiger Woods.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Yesterday sold out her shoe in ten minutes, according to reports,
ten minutes. She's getting the most votes on the All
Star Game. She's driving half of the league's television ratings.
I said a year ago she is Taylor Swift with
a jumper. She is not just helping the league. She
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literally got a teammate's jersey sold out in fifteen minutes.
Sophia Cunningham just by proxy, a player that had been
in the league seven years, just a teammate. She's getting
stuff sold out. She is bigger than either even the WNBA,
which has finally come around acknowledges where Colin was right.
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Former Pittsburgh Steeler James Harrerson last week admitted what we've
been on for years. Mike Tomlin's strength, he's a players coach.
Mike Tomlin's weakness, he's a players coach. Yes, many players
can handle that, but increasingly guys like Jalen Ramsey, who's
only but as good as the structure. He's been supported
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by the Rams. It doesn't work. So this is what
I've said about the Steelers for years. I'm not saying
Mike Tomlin can't coach, but he's loose and details win
in December, January and February, and James Harrison admitting the
organization is to.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Player friendly where Colin was wrong. James Harden signed.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Another deal two years, forty plus million a year. Listen,
I last year he shot forty one percent from the field.
He doesn't defend, he never shows up in the playoffs.
I am not denying his greatness. I am not denying
his Hall of Fame stature. I'm not denying offensive leads.
One of the great guards of all time. But if
Steve Balmer cares about winning and culture and how do
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you win in the playoffs? Who is the best defensive
team in the league? Oksee who won? OKC, That's not
the way to do it. Where Colin was right, Sean
Payton ranked number two coaching in the NFL by PFF.
Andy Reid number one. I just saw this weekend. He
took a bad offensive line. The old line is now
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ranked number two. He took over a shaky defense. They
led the NFL in sacks. They upgraded it safety and
linebacker on players that were just niners a year ago.
He inherited a horrible culture, a mess at quarterback, moved
off Russell Wilson, dead cap money, and in a division
with Andy Reid and Jim Harbaugh, took a rookie quarterback
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to the playoffs. This is what I've been saying about
Sean Payton. He is direct, he is kurt, He can
turn people off. He is brilliant.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Where Colin was right, I said last.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Week, there's seven athletes in America that are untradeable. Aaron
Judge Is absolutely won yesterday to homers four RBIs leads
baseball at three point fifty six second in home runs.
He's not just a great Yankee. He went on a
brief hitting slump. The Yankees got shut out. He is
literally the centerpiece, as good as Otawny is if he
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takes a day off. I got Mokie Betts, I got Maximunsei,
I got Freddie Freeman. He is the centerpiece of East
Coast baseball.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Where Colin was robbed.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Austin Reeves declined ninety million from the Lakers. Why his
representation believes open market or the Lakers. In a year
he's going to get closer to one hundred and fifty million.
I'd trade him tomorrow for Derek White. I think he's
a really good b player. They are nights. He has
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an a offense night, but he's not dynamic vertically. He's
a good shooter, not elite. But I'm wrong because apparently
often in his reps CNA player where Colin was right.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
What do you know?
Speaker 1 (07:15):
The Tampa Bay Buccaneers extended Jason light the GM. Do
you realize the team with the longest active playoffs streak
in the NFC is the box, not the Eagles or
the Ravens or the Rams. Excuse me, Ravens refc. Jason
Light one of the best scouts ever been on this
for years. Tampa Bay for years had excellent rosters. They
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couldn't get the quarterback right. Jason got Baker when a
lot of people were doubting him. He was one of
only two GMS that aggressively pursued Tom Brady. Tampa will
remain talent rich as long as Jason Light is the GM.
And with that, Matt Hasselbeck is joining us and he's
joining us live. Okay, So I want to get into
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the Caleb Williams thing before I get into the Jalen
Ramsey thing. Is that I've always felt this, even with
my kids, when I had six different kids, if they
were struggling, little unstable stuffs in their head, number one
rule was just stabilize them. I'm not worried about growth.
I'm just let's stabilize. And I tend to believe that
with quarterbacks. With a young quarterback, I'm not looking for growth.
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With Caleb Williams, it was such a mess last year.
Just cut the sacks in half. I don't care about
anything else, So I maybe I'm being a little over
the top. But when people suggest they want him to
go to thirty touchdowns and four thousand yards, I'm like,
I don't care. The sacks are everything to me. How
does that land for you?
Speaker 5 (08:46):
Well, it's certainly number one. You got to walk before
you can run, is how I would say it. But
I like to give quarterbacks usually two or three things
to really focus in on and improve on from one
year to the next. Think that's what helped me the most.
Sacks would definitely be at the top of the list.
Sacks hurt your team, They hurt your offensive line, they
hurt morale, they hurt your own personal like your physic.
Speaker 6 (09:09):
Out, your body.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
But it's also very bad on the defense, that field
positioning game. So it's a you know, this idea of
protect the team. Sacks are an absolute killer. I thought,
if you know, if we were assigning blame to what
why so many sacks last year in Chicago, The majority
of the sacks were not the fault of the offensive line.
They were the fault of the young quarterback. It's very common.
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It's not special to Caleb. We've all lived it and
that's an area that he needs to improve on, and
I think he probably will, but it needs to be
pretty significant.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
You know, when you say he's got to get better,
is that is that pre snap? Is that holding the ball?
Some guys could. There's people open, they just don't.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
They want to.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
They're seeking a bigger play. When you watched him, what
did you see? Why was he inducing sacks? Well?
Speaker 5 (10:01):
I think early on, you know, early on, his eyes
were in the wrong place. He didn't look like it
didn't look like he had a clear grasp of the
protection schemes.
Speaker 6 (10:10):
I think that was a big part of it.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
Now, they made the head coaching change, and they made
the offensive coordinator change. His position coach, you know, was
in the room with him calling plays. The offensive coordinator knew,
and I think they simplified it and they brought it down.
But I think what got him into trouble in the
second part of the year was he trusted his in
his athleticism so much like you saw these things where
he got away with it at USC, You're not going
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to get away with it in the NFL. And I
think that's one of the hard things for quarterbacks who
have great mobility.
Speaker 6 (10:38):
It's it's it's I would say.
Speaker 5 (10:40):
It's great mobility in college, and it's just kind of
like good mobility in the NFL.
Speaker 6 (10:44):
And there's a fine line there.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
But I think he needs to play on time more
than he did and uh, maybe a little bit less
of the playground stuff save that for when you absolutely
need it.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
It reminds me of a mat a little of golf,
where everybody wants to buy a new driver, and it's like,
if you're putting improves, your score improves. The driver is
not going to win your strokes. It's all around the greens, right,
So I think, yeah, with Caleb, I don't worry about
his driving. You got to make the pots in the
red zone.
Speaker 6 (11:14):
Well, it's putt, it's what is it putt for dough drive?
For show?
Speaker 5 (11:17):
You know, I would say, I would say in a
similar way somewhere on that list, I think number two
for me would just probably be overall leadership, like we're
looking at you. I mentioned body language like that bothers me.
That really bothered me how he handled that last year.
But then also like you know, you can't miss the layups,
you can't miss.
Speaker 6 (11:34):
The free throws.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
He is he's gonna have splash plays, but he's also
going to miss some wide open guys or he did
last year. And I think that's another area, probably that
third area that I think he needs to improve on.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
All Right, So been on this for a while. The Rams,
the Eagles, and the Chiefs spent all their money on offense.
The league ten years ago, after that CTE check they
wrote moved to benefiting the offense. So there's limits even
a great defense. Couple of years ago the Niners had
a great defense. They faced Mahomes, he ate them alive.
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There's just limitations on what a great defense can do
because of rule changes. So the Steelers this morning said
we're gonna spend even more money on defense. We'll move
off MinC and get Ramseys. Like, guys, how about just
move off MinC go get more offense.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
So what do you make of the Jalen Ramsey move
to the Steelers?
Speaker 5 (12:25):
Now, listen, the Steelers are just gonna do what the
Steelers do. They do not care about the rest of
the league. They don't care about what anybody else does.
They say, Hey, we're the Steelers, this is how we operate.
So I don't think that's going to change but I
do think this. It looks like they're building a team
to stop the Cincinnati Bengals. Like when I look at them,
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I really feel like they're coming up with, like what
is our identity going to be? It's almost like they
have confidence in what they have, like what we have
can take care of the Baltimore Ravens, like.
Speaker 6 (12:55):
We're good, but like, man, I don't know how we're
going to stop the Cincinnati Bengals.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
Like I do believe that there's a fear there of
like personnel wise, we don't match up well with them.
And the Steelers and some other teams that have always
been like thirty four defenses, three down linemen, four linebackers,
they're playing more of this four to two, five four
down linemen, two inside or four rushers, two inside backers.
Speaker 6 (13:18):
And five dbs.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
And I think what kind of dbs is where they've
you know.
Speaker 6 (13:24):
They now have some flexibility.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
They basically have three corners to go to go up
and fight, kind of like that Joe Burrow three wide
receiver set. So I think that's a trend league wide.
Certainly the Steelers look like they feel pretty good about
that trend as well. Yeah, Okay, well listen, if I'm
going to give you some confidence about it, I do
think that there's a play here for the offense. You know,
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like Arthur smith identity. Last year you saw he went
with a lot of twelve personnel. Thirteen personnel meaning two
tight ends in the game or three tight ends in
the game.
Speaker 6 (13:56):
I think they just.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
Want to get a little more talented at that spot.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
Three different guys.
Speaker 5 (14:01):
They've got Friar Move, They've got Darnell Washington, who's a
joy to watch in the running game.
Speaker 6 (14:06):
I mean, he's a monster.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
And then they go get John new Smith, a player
that I think is more wide receiver than his tight end.
Speaker 6 (14:13):
Arthur Smith's been with him a few times, loves him.
Speaker 5 (14:16):
I know that as this as the league goes to
kind of what I was talking about, five dbs on
the field more, the Steelers and Arthur Smith look like
they're saying, Okay, you want to get cute with five DB's,
we're going to smash it down your throat. We're gonna
have a bruising, bruising running game, and we can still
throw it with these guys. Shifts, motions, all that kind
of stuff. It's identity for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Again, we
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don't care what the rest of the league is doing.
We're doing what we're doing. And I think having a
clear identity is very helpful, you know.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
I think over obviously, people have been hiring offensive coaches
more than defensive coaches.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Whenever there's a big.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Opening, you always see four offensive guys for a defensive guy.
And that's not to say guys like Demiko Ryan can't
work on the other side. But I was also thinking
about something the other day, is that I there's a
lot of people Mike McDaniel came from the Niners. Shanahan
may do a lot of motion, but he's really like
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his dad. He's all about physical run games. Mcveigh's a
culture guy. Shannan's a culture guy. Rabel's a culture guy.
Dan Campbell's a culture guy. The Harbawser culture guys. Pete
Carroll's got more of a culture guy. Is that I
look at Miami and Mike McDaniel and it's like he
took the Niners. He went to Miami with a similar quarterback,
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a smaller guy, not a huge arm, moves a little accurate.
But I don't think he's built a culture. I think
it's all sizzle and no steak and Miami to me
this year, when I hear about coaches in the hot seat,
I'm like, I look at Miami and all I hear
the media love Mike McDaniel, but there's no there there,
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And I think we're moving into a time in the end,
culture beyond just schematics matters and that Mike McDaniel may
be clever, but the physical culture and component of that
Niners offense, he didn't bring it to Miami and I
don't buy them and I think they probably finished fourth
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and two years ago they were the.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Talk of the league. Where are you on.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Miami, McDaniel the motion to the sizzle because it's not
working and it's going backwards.
Speaker 6 (16:31):
Are you saying fourth in the AFC East? Is that
what you're saying?
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Yes, Wow, that's bold.
Speaker 6 (16:37):
I'd put him third. Listen. Culture matters one hundred percent.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
I think it matters more than next as and o's
most of the time, especially in football, especially when you're
in a city like Miami with all the distractions that
are down there.
Speaker 6 (16:49):
You're not in Green Bay, Wisconsin or something like that,
so the.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
Distractions are real. That's a real thing. I kind of
believe in Mike McDaniel is. I kind of believe in
him as a coach. I even believe that he can
be the right culture guy. But no, it's it's listen.
They're swimming upstream just a little bit. Even in their division,
the Buffalo Bills, like everyone thinks that, hey, that's going
to be the winner in that division.
Speaker 6 (17:11):
The Patriots are vastly improved this year.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
They clearly have an identity. You know, you just look
at the teams last year that had double digit wins.
Speaker 6 (17:19):
The AFC is tough. Seven teams are going to get in.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
An explosive team like the Cincinnati Bengals didn't even make
the playoffs last year. The Steelers clearly got better. The
AFC West is talented.
Speaker 6 (17:31):
If you don't win in.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
Miami, a team with a great fan base that expects
to win and they've got fireworks, Yeah, people are going
to be calling for your for your job.
Speaker 6 (17:39):
That's going to be the nature of it.
Speaker 5 (17:42):
But the creativity and the the identity of what they
can be offensively, it clearly is there. Like it's it's
the potential is there. It's an interesting thing that you
bring up. I don't know that I would say fourth
at the end of the day. I feel like he
was hired though, to get to back on track.
Speaker 6 (18:02):
He did a pretty darn good job of that.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
I think they just need to take a next step,
and sometimes it's just tough late in the year. Those
warm weather teams, they don't perform at the end of
the year the way that they did at the beginning
of the year because they got to go on the
road and play somewhere like Buffalo or New England.
Speaker 6 (18:19):
That'll be the test for them this year.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Matt Hasselbeck, it is a Monday. He's ad an undisclosed,
very nice location which I'll be close to in a
couple of days. It is great seeing my man.
Speaker 6 (18:32):
It's nan Tucket. Just say it now. I just outed
you on your vacation, all right.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Matt Hasselbeck, who's been a joint since he came to
the show.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
No, I was thinking about this j Mac is that
sometimes like the media, and we know this.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
The media likes the media.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
And Mike McDaniel was seen as sort of you know,
he's a small guy physically, but he's smart. He was
kind of funny at the podium. The NFL is a
sport of big men, big men. They were in high school,
they're big in college. They're big, physical men and they
respond to other big men. And if you look at
what's happening in the NFL McVeigh, you say, well, mcveigh's
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not big. McVeigh is an athlete, he's culture, he's smart,
he owns a room.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
I mean, it's not debatable.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Like there's an argument that McVeigh is probably the best
guy at the podium in the league. And I think Miami,
it's squirrely, it's fun, it's smart.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
I am three years into this Mike McDaniel thing.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
What are they I'd think it's less about him because
he's smart, articulate, really cuts through to the players you
see behind the scenes. It's less about how the team
is built. And honestly, I don't think they've done a
good job.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
I'm sure you saw.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
Tyreek Hill just chimed in on the trade with the
Will Smith meme from Fresh Prince of bel Air, like
it's over, there's nobody here. Tyreek Hill has been chirping
about getting.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Him out of there for like two years, dealing with
Jalen Ramsey.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
To me, this Dolphins move, they're rearranging the chairs on
the Titanic.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
They're going down.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
Everybody knows it, and they're just trying some last ditch
effort here.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
It's not gonna matter. But it's not on McDaniel though, well.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
It ultimately has to be on the coach. You can
blame anybody in New England bella chick got fired at
the end. You're paying the coach fifteen million. It's on
the coach. You can't blame the GM because you're not winning.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Get employed for what like a week?
Speaker 2 (20:21):
No, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
I don't believe Mike McDaniel gets a second nod. What
don't I don't, I don't. It's got a Pro Bowl quarterback.
They've gone backwards for three years, and why would I get.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Bold quarterbacks out their garbage.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
That's on McDaniel. That's on quarterback for getting hurt all
the time. Okay with the offensive line.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
My point being, you tell me the market that's going
to buy a coach and that in his first job.
Remember Miami won I think it was nineteen games the
two years before we got there. They won twenty with
him in the first two years. One more spending big
time money and getting stars and then went backwards last year.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Okay, I would definitely disagree. I think Dad almost instantly
for another head coach based on what he's an offensive mastermind.
It's not his fault. The defense got stopping nosebleed and
the offensive lines of train wreck. The GM in the
front office in Miami has been the downfall McDaniel.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Again, I would not blame him, Colin. I think he's excellent.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
I mean, at some point in this league, the best
coaches keep winning. Andy Reid wins regardless of quarterback. Even
in Philly he was getting ANFC championships.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
He had Donovan McNabb.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Come on, who's a not a top fifty quarterback ever,
not even close.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
He's not. That's not disputable.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
But Donny donald McNabb was a good quarterback. They had
a great defense in Philly. Yeah, reads a good coach.
Come on, No, no, you're not listening. I'm not denying
he is. You're saying McDaniels is. I'm saying, where's the proof.
Where's the proof?
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Well, they got into the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Has any team been humiliated more by Buffalo in the
league than Miami. They get humiliated by them. They can't
compete in their own division with the best. Forget the
rest of the AFC. I mean again, I go back
to what's the market for You tell me I'm an owner. Hey,
we've got a job opening. Let's hire a guy that young.
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His first job he failed at in a market that
free agents love to play, no state tax awqua water.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
So who's the equivalent of the NFC? Would you say
it's the floor? Because he's not some big imposing figure.
He got delt Aaron Rodgers won a lot. Now Rodgers
is gone, and what are we seeing from the floor?
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Playoffs? The Dolphins got to the playoffs under Green Bay
has no owner. Free agents won't play there. The division
is there are no bad teams in that division.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
And by the way, you're dealing with the quarterback Jordan Love,
who is not who sat for three years. We still
don't know how good he is. Toua was a first
round pick who's already made a Pro Bowl. I mean,
I'm not a huge to a fan, but he's made
Pro Bowls. He's His comp was Drew Brees, who was
Jordan Love's comp. Who would you rather have Jordan Love
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or to a well, I'd rather have Jordan Love because
he's bigger with a better arm. Today, I would three
years ago, I wouldn't. When McDaniel took the job, I
would have rather had two of than Jordan Love. Now
going into this year, I would take Jordan Law.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
Okay, so Zach Taylor or Mike McDaniel, wh would you
rather have his head coach?
Speaker 2 (23:36):
I wouldn't hire either.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
I mean if I was an owner and there was
an opening and they were on the market, those would
not be choices.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
So now Brian Dabele probably would be my choice over McDaniel.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
But yes, what has Brian Dabel done as a head coach?
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Colin got Daniel Jones to the playoffs and won a
playoff game.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Mine he got to the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
They just said that they didn't win a playoff game.
And now Dabel's backsliding badly.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
But you're telling me got a market. My take is.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
What top tier team is like, not even average team.
Well what listen, the Dolphins weren't good before him, They're
getting worse.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Now.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
How's this if Jonathan Gannet I would argue this in area.
But people may criticize Brian Flores. Brian Floor is a
better head coach. He didn't get along with Tua. Brian
Flores took the Dolphins over in eight weeks eight weeks.
We're going into year four with McDaniel. In eight weeks
the Dolphins were an elite defense and had elite special teams.
In eight weeks eight we're on year four for McDaniel.
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Nobody's got the Dolphins being elite this year. You got
culture problems. Tyreek Hilling, Jalen Ramsey. Neither one either wants
to play there. One's gone. One could be that.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
On McDaniel though, so by the way, they went nine
to eight playoffs eleven and six playoffs lost to the Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
No harm in that.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
And in their first year they had Skyler what's his
face at quarterback as Tour was hurt and then last
year eight and nine, three years, he's twenty eight and
twenty three with two playoff trips.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
I mean, are you zero and two? Laflour's got three playoffs?
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Where's one for you? Are you ready?
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Dan Campbell or Mike McDaniel. Dan Campbell he can build
a culture. Their culture is one of the best in
the NFL. Dan Campbell in the Lions culture. Whether you
like Dan or not, And I was not a huge
fan Initially. Their culture is out of this world. The
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Lion's culture is we said there's three years ago. Nobody
in the league plays harder than Detroit. They've had major
personnel issues on the defensive side when Hutchison got hurt.
They have no defense their culture. I mean, think about this.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Matt Lafleur won two games last year with Malik Willis
at quarterback, who who Tennessee drafted an hour later said yeah, that's.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Not gonna work.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
I mean it was like a second round pick. They
were like, yeah, I think you got to forget what
round he was drafted in. But they literally bailed on
him before he was like halfway through his contract. Lafleur
won two games with him. That was And if I
recall he got Malik Willis, he wasn't even on the
roster like a month earlier. Yes, with a third round pick.
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He wasn't on the like the off season roster. I
think they brought him in due to an injury, and boom,
they brought him in August twenty six.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
This is interesting.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
You win though, and he wins two games in September.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
I did not know you were this anti Mike McDaniel.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
I'm not anti. It's the numbers zero and two in
the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
I mean he walked to the playoffs and Josh Allen
in Buffalo and Patrick Mahomes and KC. Where's the Hartt?
That one of them his backup quarterback?
Speaker 3 (26:43):
What are we doing?
Speaker 4 (26:45):
The Jets would take him in a heartbeat, a heartbeat
so they could have an offense.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
They've not an offense in a decade.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Colin, the Jets just hired another coach. I have to
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Speaker 1 (27:35):
Daniel in Miami is My feeling has always been the
longer somebody is employed, the more the truth comes out.
You can be employed, have kind of a rocky six months,
but if you're there in six years, the truth will
come out that you're a very good employee.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
And I think you know it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
You can have a bad year, but eventually, over time
you will see. The longer an employee is part of
any company, everybody has bad days, everybody needs a mulligan.
But Mike McDaniel, now I got three full years. Miami's
no better than they were when he took over, and
in fact, the culture's worse. So I don't want to
hear about personnel. And by the way, Kyle Shanahan has
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had bad years, but over the course of time he
ends up in Super Bowls. McVeigh a couple of years ago,
had you know, a rebuild season. The following year they're
in the playoffs in his second rebuild year. The longer
any employee is at any company, the truth comes out.
I've said this with real estate agents. If they work
for ten years, take out their worst year and their
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best year. What is their average the remaining eight Everybody
has good years in business, the market moves up. You know,
you sell a great home because of a friendship through
the family, and everybody has a bad year. COVID hits.
Nobody's buying homes over the course of ten years. Take
everybody's worst year out. Nobody had a good year during COVID.
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Take out everybody's best year at their work. What are
the remaining eight years? Even when I think about Hall
of Fames, Matt Ryan, take out his best year, the
MVP year, take out his worst year, then.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Is he a Hall of Famer?
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Probably not so, Whereas with Philip Rivers, I got more
consistency in high production, best year or worst year. Now
he may not make the Hall of Fame either. But
even if you take out Eli Manning's best year, his
second best year, he still beat Tom Brady in the
Super Bowl and had one of the most iconic throws.
So quality over time, the truth will come out for
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all of us over the course of our resumes or
our lives. And I'm just sitting there in Miami three
years into it. I'm like I got a bowl of nothing.
I got nothing here. The culture's average, the roster's okay
to it is fine. I thought Brian Flores in eight
weeks changed the culture the defense and special teams. You
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didn't have to like Brian. You could think Brian was
too harsh and Brian didn't make the quarterback feel good
about himself. All fair eight weeks in defense, special teams culture,
you didn't want to face the Dolphins.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
I remember Baltimore beat him.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
I swear to god dropped seventy autumn and it was
like five weeks later You're like, yeah, nobody wants to
play Miami. That to me, the longer Brian Flores was there,
then he goes to Minnesota. The longer reas in Minnesota.
Now the defense gets better. Jmack with a.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
News no, no, turn on the news. This is the
Herdline news.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
All right, Colin, Let's go to the NFL. We've had
some interesting debates. This one could get ugly. The New
England Patriots a team you love this season. You know
Mike Rabel's and his head coach.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
They have a.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
Lot of cap space and guess what they are closely
monitoring two contract disputes. Terry McLaurin in Washington and Micah
Parsons in Dallas.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Now this is smart business for New England. Hey, we
are open for business. We've got money McLaurin, and you're
unhappy Washington.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
We would gladly take him or Michael Parsons. I would
guess both of the chances of these happening are very low,
but it is a new era in New England, that's
for sure.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Terry McLaurin would be a perfect wide receiver for.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Drake May in New England.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
No ego grinder, productive, I mean you cannot. That is,
if you could pick a wide receiver for a young quarterback,
mclaurin's like top to Amaran Saint Brown. Terry McLaurin would
be my first two picks. Now, they're both super talented.
I'm not saying they're the most talented, but you're getting
an adult, uncompromised route tree, grown up, work hard, great teammate.
(31:37):
I have loved you and I have both loved McLaurin.
This guy is exactly what everybody wants. To get a
productive receiver. You got to get baggage with a lot
of them. This guy is a total pro.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
But everything you just said is like Washington.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
Why would you let him leave Jaden Daniels when Jaden
Daniels was.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
Rookie of the Year. Unbelievable and McLaurin.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
Had his best years of bro Like, you get your quarterback.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
On the rookie deals, sign him. I don't know really what's.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Going on because Washington signed Debo to a big deal.
So do you want to pay two receivers? Charge money?
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Your quarterbacks make me nothing?
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Generally in the NFL? I mean some teams do DeVante Adams? Well, no,
they moved off Cooper. You don't want to pay two receivers.
You want to pay one receiver and then hopefully draft
the position. Well, it gets difficult because you don't want
to have two hyper expensive guys in one unit, right,
Like that's the problem with Cincinnati. It's like, Okay, we'll
pay Jamar, but can we pay Jamar and Burrow and
(32:34):
Ti Higgins? So I think I think it's harder than
you did. Once they acquire Debo. You have to sit
down and you've got to try to get the best
deal you can from McLaurin because you don't want to
be putting all that money into just one.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
Unit in Let's move on to the Raiders Colin, they
obviously have Pete Carroll as their new head coach.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
Chip Kelly is the OC.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
Speaking at something called the Sack Summit, Max Crosby discuss
how the Raiders e vamped and said the OKAC Thunder
are something of a bootprint as they went from one
of the worst teams in the league to the title winners.
Crosby added that the Raiders has a lot of work
to do. Cowin, do you think there's any kind of
comparison here? Okay, see did go from you know, the
(33:15):
outhouse to the penthouse in about four years?
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Well the division, let's agree on this. Has there ever
been a better coach division in football? Read Sean Payton,
Jim Harbaugh, Pete Carroll. So it's like I was thinking
about It's ironic. I was thinking about this yesterday. I
was watching cost Rika USA and just you know, kind
(33:38):
of browsing and looking at stuff, and I thought, is
it possible? I looked at the Raiders schedule that Chargers, Broncos,
Chiefs all make the playoffs, and if you look at
the Raiders schedule, I'm like, I counted eight or nine
winnable games. Now, I mean, look at their schedule. Now,
there's some tough ones like at Philadelphia, at Houston late
(34:02):
in the season, Kansas City, those are tough games. But
you start looking at the schedule. Jacksonville off of bye,
Tennessee Colts, we don't know what the Bears are, Dallas, Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
There's some doubleu's here for the Raiders.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
Okay, so let's start at week one. If they lose
that game, then they have to play a Charge of
the Division, very tough game. Then they play at Washington. So,
by the way, if you're tracking, that's a trip to
New England.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Then back to.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
The Desert, then back to the East Coast again.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
Colin they could easily start zero to three. Easily.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
I'm not denying that. But anytime I see the Colts, Titans,
and Bears early in the season in a row, those
are winnable games. By then hosting Jacksonville, I mean, Dallas
and Cleveland. Back back Schottenheimer could be on the ropes
by week eleven. I'm just saying, if you told me
(34:53):
this team won eight games, and by the way, Kansas
City last week, how do we know they're not resting
starters for the playoffs?
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (35:00):
Please, they're gonna be trying to get in the playoffs,
but eight or nine wins sounds about right.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
The final story comes to the.
Speaker 4 (35:06):
NBA where big news DeAndre Ayton, the center in Portland
is being bought out. The report adds that Ayton was
looking to play in a winning situation and wouldn't you
know it, the Lakers are in need of a center. Now.
I'm not the biggest DeAndre Ayton guy. His end in
Phoenix was very bad and ugly. He got lazy, didn't
(35:27):
want to work, he was unhappy.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
With the touches.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
I don't see how he really works with Luca and Lebron.
He kind of clogs the lane. But you know, there
are a lot of Laker fans out there who are like,
oh yeah, bring on eight.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
And he's a fifteen to ten guy. I don't know
that I see it.
Speaker 4 (35:42):
He's not the flexible, rim running, swatting big that like
is Derek Lively or even Nick Claxton.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
He's a little more ground bound and likes to hang
in the paint.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
I would love to see our guys, Ryan, what is
he ranked offensively as a center? So Aighton's very athletic,
super athletic. I mean again, you we showed you the highlights.
My question is what the Lakers are looking for because
at this point, Lebron's not an elite defender, Luca's definitely not,
and Austin Reeves is okay you need That's why Jackson
(36:15):
Hayes doesn't work, because he's not really a rim defenders.
He's a pogo stick. He gets you some alleued dunks.
I don't know if Ayton I don't know.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
I don't think of it as an elite defensive center.
Is he?
Speaker 2 (36:28):
I don't think of it.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
Never made an All Star Game and last year he
had a one one block per game.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Yeah he And that's for a guy that Scott that
that's athletic.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
So he moved six percent on free throws.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
No thanks, Yeah, I just I don't. I don't listen.
I think he's been a disappointment and I still think
he's really talented. I think there are fits in the
league for him, But I think what the Lakers are
looking for he doesn't provide.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
In my opinion, Yeah, I don't necessarily see it. Now.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
You know, if you say, hey, let's put Luke on
the let's put Lebron on the bench for five minutes
have DeAndre Aidon and Luca run pick and roll. Maybe
there's something there, but honestly, Dorian Finney Smith to me
is way more important than DeAndre eight. Okay, I like
a stretch for a big hookn shoot threes eight AND's
not that guy.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
He's not that guy.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
So he's got he's a little old school. I mean
he's got like an old school big feel.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
Some twenty five years ago, DeAndre Ayton would have a
lot of suitors, you know, right, Yeah, J Mack with
the news.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The
Herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
I saw Bill Belichick quote this weekend that was really thoughtful.
I guess it happened a couple of weeks ago, and
I'll tell you how it's tied to Kayleb Williams of
the Bears.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
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Speaker 1 (37:50):
So we were talking about Kayleb Williams earlier. It just
I just saw recently on the Pivot It's a it's
a posts sports podcast, and they sat Bill Belichick down
and they started asking him about Brady. And you know,
those two had a marriage for twenty years, so they
know the ins and outs, the strengths, the weaknesses, and
(38:11):
you know Brady didn't have a lot of weaknesses. But
it's funny about when you ask Belichick. Now, Belichick is
a defensive coach, so he's not somebody that falls in
love with creativity. He falls in love with efficiency. But
he was asked about the single greatest strength for twenty
years of Tom Brady, and this is what he mentioned.
Speaker 8 (38:36):
Tom did such a great job of not allowing negative
plays to happen to our offense. No pre snap penalties,
no sacks. He kept us out of negative plays and
kept us out of long yardage. So second and ten
the worst we're going to face this, you know, third
and ten, but usually second and ten became third and
(38:57):
five and then you got a chance to pick it up.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
That's the sport Bill Parcells years ago. It's a field
position game. You don't want to be pinned deep in
your territory punting from your end zone. And so, and
I know you see this as a sports fan, how
often last year are the Bears, despite all the talent
Romadunze and Dj Moore and Caleb Williams and Cole Comet.
(39:24):
It's second down in twenty one and you're punting from
the eight. You're losing the field possession game. And that
to me, I don't care about anything with Caleb Williams
next year, Seriously. I don't care about his yardage. I
don't care about his touchdown passes. If the sixty eight
sacks become thirty, I'm good. Everything is going to be okay.
(39:46):
Here's Matt hasselback.
Speaker 6 (39:47):
Earlier on that early on, his eyes were in the
wrong place. It didn't look didn't look like he had.
Speaker 5 (39:52):
A clear grasp of the protection schemes.
Speaker 6 (39:56):
I think that was a big part of it.
Speaker 5 (39:57):
What got him into trouble in the second part of
the was he trusted his in his athleticism so much
like you saw these things that he got away with
it at USC, You're not going to get away with
it in the NFL. And I think that's one of
the hard things for quarterbacks who have great mobility. It's
it's it's I would say it's great mobility in college.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
And it's just kind of like good mobility in the NFL.
Speaker 6 (40:18):
And there's a fine line there.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Yeah, it's you know, we're always looking for the fireworks show,
but somebody's got to clean it up right and running around.
Caleb did have moments when he would run backwards. That
is a no. No works in high school sometimes in college, doesn't.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Work in the NFL. It just can't.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
I remember when Fran Tarkins and used to do it.
In the seventies, athletes, the best athletes were on offense.
Now they're on defense. Like the great athletes. Now you
get a lot of them on that defensive front. You
can't go backwards, cannot go backwards. You can run laterally.
But I to me, it's all sacks, all sacks.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
Clean that up. They'll be fine.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
It is The team in this division that's the mystery
to me is Green Bay and they have dominated Chicago
because I just they won eleven games last year and
yet we're one in five in division.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
So my I guess now.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
I was talking to my buddy John Middlkoff, who filled
in last week. He's like, if you win eleven games
and your one and five in division and your quarterback
got hurt, green Bay is gonna win eleven or twelve games.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
That's what they do. I can't argue out of that.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
But the one thing about green Bay, here's what green
Bay rarely allows sixty eight sacks. Green Bay may not
be flashy, they may not be the most vertical team.
Green Bay doesn't beat themselves. Green Bay's not punting from
the end zone. I mean, they just don't get into
those bad field positions. Swings in Chicago, that's all they were.
(41:50):
Just keep it in front of you. It's like investing
for your retirement. It's amazing how far hitting doubles can go.
You don't need a lot of home runs. Just avoid
the strikeouts, just avoid the big missus hit a bunch
of doubles. All right, Last hour Alexiles.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
Is coming up.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
You know, Jay Mackie's one of my favorite guests. The
United States men's national team. They found a goalie. They're
moving to the semis.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
Remember how nervous you were ten days ago about this.
I talked you off the legs, cowhard. Another victory for macintyle.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
The hour three coming up,
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