October 14, 2024 • 29 mins
Eric Mangini joins The Herd to talk about the issues with the Jets, Eagles HC Nick Sirianni, the dominance of the Lions, and more
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
Well, Jets slight underdog at home against the Buffalo team.
That's been a roller coaster this year, so of the Jets, frankly,
but a lot of movement. Jeff Ulbrich is now the
new head coach, solid fired and now they have a
new play caller in Todd Downing. Eric Mangini, former Jets coach,
joining US live Fox Sports. Okay, that's a lot of
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movement in a week. I don't know how much as
a coach, how much of your own personality you can
bring in. Do you think the Jets could be a
little frenetic, a little uneven tonight? What's your guess.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Why?
Speaker 4 (01:01):
I would imagine that they're gonna come out firing and
then and there's gonna be a lot of juice. And
what happens is when you when you have a transition
or change during the course of the season.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
It's a lot like smelling salts.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
We we all know that that everything is tenuous and
guys can get fired, But when it happens and and
it's real and and you're in a moment like like
they're in right now, it's a pretty big wake up
call to the roster. So I expect them to come
out and and play well. And for Jeff, he has
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nothing to lose, so he can take chances he can
he can make the decisions that that he feels are
in the best interest of the team because he really
has He has nothing to lose at this point, so
it's house money. And and this this will have an
impact on other coaches around the league, whether it's Dallas
or Jacksonville or Philadelphia. If this experiment works for the
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Jets and they start playing better, all those other coaches
that that the hot seats getta you know, hotter and
Hotter now could could be out sooner rather than later.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
If it works in New York tonight.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
So if you go back to Thursday, brought pretty over
Geno Smith, the best quarterback won every game this weekend.
And I think it in the first month, bad teams
don't know they're bad. And then eventually everybody gets film
on everybody and you're like, Okay, there are quarterbacks that
are limited. There's personnel groupings that are limited. I watched
Caleb and Trevor Lawrence yesterday, and I don't know how
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much of the regression for Trevor is him or the coaching,
But Caleb Williams coach, he looked like the real deal.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Look.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
I mean there are multiple times when he would look left, middle, right,
come back to left. It was like he looked the part,
did he not?
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (02:44):
And what happens is the good teams and the good coaches.
You go into the season who with who you want
to be, and then you realize who you need to be,
and those good coaches and good teams figure that out
and start playing that way, and the other teams and
they continue to lose. What I liked about Caleb in
terms of his progression is he's he's so much more
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poised in the pocket. Early on, it felt like every
and this is this is my concern, every time he
had to make a play, he was leaving the pocket early.
He was running around, he was extending plays and and
that's that's not what you want. He has that ability
and he can make wild plays doing that. But you
want to see him poise in the pocket, going through
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his progressions, taking taking what's there, and then then making
the wild plays, you know, when when he needs to
r I thought the two throws to Keenan Allen were great.
I thought those were the best throws I've seen him
make so far.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
All Right, Drake may first start twenty to thirty three.
They don't have much to work with. You don't want
to be I mean, he looks young, his face looks young.
I mean he looks like a kid. I mean you
watch him and you're like, let's lower the exp I mean,
Caleb Williams looks like. I mean, he's like, I don't
know the whole game, the power, the move. But he
had Lincoln Riley two big programs. Here comes this kid
out of UNC and what was your interpretation of it?
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Well, they got some offensive production which they hadn't been
getting at all. Really like the throw that he had
at the end of the half. There's gonna be mistakes,
like there are with any rookie quarterback, and he's further
behind than the other guys who've been starting.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
But encouraging for the group to be able.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
To at least put up twenty one points get the
three touchdown passes. I do feel like there's some pretty
strong Sam Darnold early comparisons with him as a player.
So you're gonna get mistakes, You're gonna get some throws
where you just it doesn't make sense. But that's part
of the progression and for the group, for the rest
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of the team to have someone that gives you a
chance that goes a long way.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
So very rarely, I'm not gonna to use the word quit,
but the Dallas thing, you could I could see this
with the Chiefs on Monday against the Saints, and I
saw this with the Lions against the Cowboys. I mean,
they had three different touches for offensive linemen. It was
kind of a flex. It was kind of hey, we're
on National TV. Andy Reid Monday and Dan Campbell and
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Ben Johnson said we got a few tricks and we
want you all to know in this league we're the
bully now. I mean, it literally felt like that. Were
you shocked how uneven the talent and coaching looked.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
I wasn't shocked.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
I've I've been down on Dallas since before the start
of the season, they talked about going all in, but
they weren't really in a position to go all in
and their one dimensional Colin they can't run the ball
with any kind of effectiveness at all, So it all
falls on Dak and Ceedee Lamb. And now defensively, you
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know that you can tee off ninety percent of the
time because they can't run the ball. And then defensively,
they're transitioning from from Dan to Mike Zimmer's defense, and
it's very different, and there's been problems and now there's
been injuries, and I would imagine it's it's a totally
different approach to defense. They're good, but different and will
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take time, and nothing's clicking for them at all. And
to lose the way that they've lost at home for
how long they've been so good at home, that makes
me think that going into this by week, I know,
Jerry said he's not going to make a change, but again,
if the Jets lighted up here tonight and they've got time,
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who knows what Jerry could be thinking, you know, a
few days from now.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
You know, it's interesting the Lions lose Aiden Hutchison and
There's been a lot of speculation Max Crosby, the Raiders
are done. I mean even the Patriots this year moved
off Judah before the season to Atlanta because Atlanta felt
like we can win the division, and I get New
England thinking and we'll get some draft picks. What would
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you give if you're Detroit and you're gonna have to
start paying some of these guys, some of these old linemen,
what would you give up to get a Max Crosby?
Because I do think Hutcheson's loss he gives that secondary
which has not been good, and he makes the secondary
better and he get into these playoff games in a
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shootout and you don't have a pass rush with that
secondary in Detroit. I mean, if you were a coach
and a GM came to you, what would you give
up to go get a Max Crosby and a really
elite player to replace him? Knowing that Hutchison's back next year.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Yeah, that's a difficult question, especially this early in the season,
because I don't think that that Las Vegas fields they're done,
and a lot of these teams that have some talented
guys that they may eventually be willing to give up
they're not at the spot yet where they think the
season's over, So the praise you're gonna have to pay
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is pretty high. And Detroit strikes me as the type
of team that wants their their homegrown talent to go
in and fill those gaps, to go in and fill
those those voids, as opposed to trying to go out
and get somebody else. And that that culture is strong,
it's it's been developed, it's hard.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
He he, he coaches hard, he works him hard.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
And the difference for them is there guys have bought
into it and and and own it and like it.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Where a lot of.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Times that that hard coaching guys will revolt against they
seem that they seem to have embraced it. And you
bring somebody in from the outside world that doesn't understand
the way the Lions do things that the Lion's way.
You may not get the production you're hoping for from
a trade like that.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Did you ever watch Nick Sirianni all the years you
ran off the field in Cleveland and New York. Those
are cold weather fans, They get ticked off. Did you
ever say anything to a fan? Did you ever want
to say anything?
Speaker 4 (09:03):
There are plenty of times where you wanted to say things,
but no, you never you never say anything. And and look,
unfortunately I had some down years and there was there's
some booing and some pretty negative comments. But the last
thing you want to do is to engage your home
fan base in a negative way, because not just because
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of it's it's not the right thing to do, but
it's not the right thing to do for your players.
Now that environment, the next time they make a mistake
is going to turn that much more negative because you've
antagonized the group. So now now your guys have to
deal with that. And and as a head coach, your
whole job is to avoid distractions, to make things easier
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for the group of players around you. The last thing
you want to do is anger the Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Man, I mean, as a coach, when you watched that,
what did what do you think?
Speaker 3 (10:04):
I think? I think it came out of a bye.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
You got your three stars back, and you're getting a
field goal blocked, your you still haven't scored in the
first quarter. You promise changes and and the only thing
that really changes is your haircut.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
And it's not it's not it's not what you would.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Expect from from somebody in a position like like he's in,
or really any head coach for that matter. It's I
don't know, maybe maybe I'm getting old Colin, but I
just I don't get get that that approach at all.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Yeah, I just it just looks so juvenile er brown,
it looks.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Yeah, yeah, it's rough.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
You know, if the owner doesn't like it. You know
Howie Roseman doesn't like it. Those guys upstairs, regardless if
you support him or not, that the guy's upstairs don't
like that. The owner probably talked to him this morning, right.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
You would, Yeah, I would think so. And then I
mean even kids watching it. What do you do when
when things aren't going your way you start drawing back
and forth with someone Like it's not a good look.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
It's not a good look for anybody.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Yeah, Eric Good Senior's always.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Coach awesome talk to you, you bet.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
It is just so weird to see that, right, Like,
that's the last thing you ever want to acknowledge. Give
fans oxygen. They're dying for that. Just to avoid them.
Just if you're a player, keep your helmet on, run
off the field, just just stay out of that space.
Fans have a right to be obnoxious. It's your responsibility,
is the one with a good job to just let
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people blow steam off.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
Isn't this sort of like when people come after you
on social media and are yelling at you and screaming
you staying blah blah blah.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
People have a right to I get it sports. People
love sport. I don't have a problem with fans barking
and yelling. I don't have a problem with that. I mean,
I don't have a problem with me getting hate online.
But you got to be above it, right, Like that's
that's the responsibility to the guy making the money. Like,
be above the anger and the emoting and.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
Trusting when you go after a team on here or
say something negative, you're gonna get fifty fans from the
Steelers or whatever fan base saying really inappropriate.
Speaker 6 (12:14):
Stuff to you who cares? Like, I think you just
got to brush that off.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Yeah, above it. As a coach, I can't believe you
can even hear it. I mean it's loud, you've got
headsets on your barking.
Speaker 6 (12:24):
That's a good point.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
I had the fact that you would hear it back.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
There, which maybe says something about Sirianni that he's hearing it.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
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Speaker 1 (12:40):
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Speaker 2 (12:41):
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Speaker 6 (12:47):
All right, Colin.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
The London game featured the Jaguars, who fell to one
in five got kind of dismembered there by the Bears.
In the Super Bowl era, only four teams have rallied
from a one in five start to make the playoff,
and yesterday, after the loss, Doug Peterson said Jacksonville needed,
wait for it to change the culture. He explained further
this morning when asked again about it.
Speaker 7 (13:11):
Obviously, we've lost some games here, right, so we want
to change that culture. To win a culture, that's that's
why we coach, and that's why we play.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
What do you make?
Speaker 5 (13:25):
But wasn't he hired to change the culture after the
Urban Meyer fiasco.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
I think it's very hard to change a culture mid stream,
like when you come in and you're Dan Campbell. So
it's always better for a coach to come in hard
like Tom Komflin or Dan Campbell and lighten up. I
think it's incredibly hard to come in soft and then
pretend you're a tough guy. Like parenting, if you're strict,
it's easy to lighten up as your kids age. It's
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hard to be ice cream for breakfast ad and then
they're gonna take you seriously when you bark at him
when they're a senior in high school. You got to
come in hard and tough as a coach, set a culture.
Doug's never been known as a great culture guy. He's
a smart guy, he's a nice guy. But in Philadelphia
it got too loose. This organization looks loose.
Speaker 6 (14:12):
Colin this is It's not like this is year one
for him. This is year three, I know.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
And now he wants to bang his hand on the table.
I think it's too late. Wade Phillips was this. Wade's
like a nice guy. But Wade was just kind of
a nice guy. He lets stuff go. Hey, you'll you'll
find this in every industry. You've got to coach hard
during the good times, like Nick Sabano was called positive
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media rat poison. Like when you're good, everybody says how
great you are. Then practices slowly dovetail and you let
stuff go and it's like no, no, no, no, no. It's
much easier to stop that when you're winning. When you're losing,
you'll lose players. So Jacksonville now wants to lose the
change the culture and they're losing. Well, you probably have
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half that locker room that already doesn't buy a thing,
he says. Now he's gonna pound bang the table for respect.
It's not gonna work.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
It's over total disaster. Next up is Lamar Jackson, the
two time MVP. Yeah, I think you earlier said that
he's probably the MVP leader right now. Well, Sunday he
passed Cam Newton for second most career rushing yards by
a quarterback.
Speaker 6 (15:23):
I'll just remind you Lamar's twenty seven years old.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
No, no, he's only four hundred and forty eight yards
behind Mike Vick, the quarterback NFL rushing leader.
Speaker 6 (15:30):
Of all time.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Yeah, he's the best running quarterback ever. Is Steve Young
is probably in that class?
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Vick was two for sure.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Well, if Lamar's one, Vic has to be too nick
Well you two your two, Mike Vick. You're too young
to remember. Steve Young.
Speaker 5 (15:46):
He hosted, he hoisted trophies. He was not a better
running quarterback of Steve Young. Great passing quarterback, excellent runner.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
He was a Now Cam's not in that class. I
mean in care of what you say he watches. He's
got rabbit heres like I'd like to I'd like his podcast, really,
I'd like to get his podcast.
Speaker 6 (16:03):
You know he invited me on and then backed out.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Well you get a little.
Speaker 6 (16:07):
I'm sorry for reading.
Speaker 5 (16:08):
Facts and data to the table because you sometimes come on.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Get out of here. Well, you know, I would say
the best running quarterback, I would say to me, it's Vic,
Steve Young, and Lamar put him in the order you want.
They were all different. I think Young developed into a
great passer. He was also a lefty, So Steve was
a running quarterback and a lefty in an era that
quarterbacks didn't run. So he was such a unique player.
Now a lot of guys move, but it's those three.
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Cam's career didn't last very long.
Speaker 6 (16:38):
His peak was excellent the one year he was the
VP they want.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
He had about a five year peak where he was
just uh, there wasn't anything like him on the planet.
Big Ben was had some of his skills, size and
could move, but Cam was totally different. He's really good. Yeah,
always had a defensive coach Belichick to Ron Revere.
Speaker 6 (16:57):
Playing someone else. Anyways, Okay, let's move on. Final story.
NBA NBA.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
Colin, Now, I don't know if you saw this last night,
Dante DiVincenzo, who was shipped from Minnesota to New York.
They played at the Garden, and if you're watching at home,
Dante DiVincenzo had some words for Thibodeaux at the foul
line and lip readers.
Speaker 6 (17:15):
Were going crazy last night.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
And then after the game, de Vincenzo got into it
heated discussion with Jalen Brunson's dad. Now, again it's unclear
what went down. Devincenzo tried to poo poo some of
it afterward, but Colin, it was very weird. He's saying
it was an inside joke with Thibodeau. But there's no
smile or grin or laugh. So Mike car saying, so
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here's my question on this. I thought the reports where
Deefendenzo was glad, he was going he wanted more touch.
Speaker 6 (17:45):
We're playing time in touches.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Yeah, and that that is he insinuating. I mean, look
at that Jalen Brunson's day.
Speaker 5 (17:50):
Jalen Brunson had his arm around Devincenzo trying to diffuse
it while he was talking tracks to Jalen Brunson's dad.
Speaker 6 (17:55):
That is very awkward, guy.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
What do you I don't What is the what is
the not moral to the story? What's the what's the
play here? Is it that Thibodeau wanted him gone and
Jalen Brunson's dad signed off on it and he's bitter
against both?
Speaker 6 (18:12):
Well, apparently it doesn't. It's more Brunson's dad.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
I believe that wanted him out. I was driving. We
need to get down, we need more size, we need ah.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
So basically Jalen Brunson's dad to the Star Guard, probably
went to Tibbs and said, we need size. We got
enough guards, we need size, and Devingenzo wants to be
a bigger part of the scoring than he probably deserves.
And then Devingeno heard it. Eventually you heard it that
basically the Brunson's dad and TIBs were like, yeah, let's
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get him out. We got enough guards. Well, they have
enough scoring now with Michale Bridges, Karl, Anthony Towns and Brunson.
They have a point guard score a small forward score
and a big score.
Speaker 6 (18:53):
They're stacked.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
I would stage, No, it's a good job, it's it's it's.
Speaker 6 (19:00):
A good team. Really, they're loaded.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
There's only five teams that could win the championship.
Speaker 6 (19:05):
Now, let's hear the name them.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Oka, s Denver, Osey Okay, sir okay, ok s Denver, Boston,
New York stop really well, Philly and New York are
both good ly, that's true. I like New York more
than Philly, although I love Paul George. So I would
say that if I had to get five teams to
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win the title, I would go, I'm not no order, Boston, Oklahoma, Denver,
and then I have to chew. I don't buy Dallas
like you do. They have Clay Thompson. You're aware of that. Oh,
there'll be a nice regular season team.
Speaker 6 (19:42):
But what about the Lakers and lebron Are you just
missing the king?
Speaker 1 (19:46):
No that you're gonna start seeing a little oil leak
like the Cowboys.
Speaker 6 (19:49):
Stop it got them really looking good.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
It's not a Jj Reddick issue. It's a Lebronz a
year older, eighties getting frustrated. Austin Reeves still on the team.
By the way, Bronny, maybe the third leading scorer. Okay,
all right, so we didn't finish, Okay, C Boston. I
think the Knicks are better than Philly slightly, Denver, Minnesota,
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Anthony Edwards. No, I think Minnesota. Go Bear Gobert, Conley,
Ant Defangendo off the bench. Julius Randall. That's a pretty
good team. I don't know what their chemistry is going
to be like, but that's a good team. That's a
good that's a good club. Great coach too, your guy. Yeah, well,
I'll say the top of this one six or seventy
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six is Dallas. You like him more than I do.
Speaker 6 (20:38):
Yeah. You can discount Lebron all you want, but I
would have him there.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
He's like, he's forty eight now, so he's still really good.
Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
And last year, Anthony Davis was healthy all year. And
Anthony David this probably doesn't like me, but I had
said all year he was the defensive player of the year.
I don't care about Gobert. I don't want to hear it.
Eighty was amazing, but is he going to have another
year with no injuries? That dude played every night last
year and there are so many bigs in the league now,
I mean ad was last year and a half. That
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dude is. He's not missing games in his career. He
gets banged up, I don't know. Just get that ball
to Browny on the wing.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
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Speaker 1 (21:33):
So you know something interesting about a rating service for
our business. We can't really talk about him on the air,
but I'll use it analogous to like a pole. If
I put something on my website today that was a
poll do you think yes or no? And one hundred
people voted, you will get the same result in terms
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of percentage sixty forty thirty five sixty five as you
would with one hundred thousand people voting. Is that you
think as you extrapolated out it will change it. It
really doesn't. And the same goes for seasons. You can
tell by week six if you look at the standings today,
I don't think there's gonna be a lot of changes
from what we see today. We know the best coaches,
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we know the worst coaches. We know the best quarterbacks
and the worst quarterbacks. I mean, take the AFC. I
predicted the four teams leading their divisions. In the AFC,
I predicted all of them. Why because they all had
capable coaches and good quarterbacks, and so I think Buffalo
and the Jets Miami. I think Buffalo is the one
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team that will make the playoffs. I think the Jets
in Miami, as I predicted, will battle to the final
week of the year. Two is eventually coming back. In
the AFC South, I don't think there's any question the
Texans are the best team. I don't think there's a
playoff team in the rest of that division. In the
AFC North, I think Cincinnati will win. I think more
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games than Pittsburgh over time. If Burrow's healthy. Baltimore's clearly
the class. I picked them to win the division they lead.
In the AFC West, I think it's going to finish
Kansas City one, Harbaugh and Herbert two. So I don't
you know what order three and four in doesn't really matter.
But I think to this point the teams that you
think because the quarterback play is so good in the AFC,
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it's been very predictable, and I don't think you'll see
massive changes in the NFC. The NFC East and the
NFC West are different. So the NFC East, I had
Philadelphia and Washington making the playoffs. I think that's the case.
I don't think Dallas is very good. I think the
New York Giants aren't good enough to be a playoff team.
So Washington right now leads the division. Philadelphia second. I
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predicted they would flip flop, but at this point I've
watched Washington. I think they have a better coach and
a better quarterback without having as many good players. But
that's not a shock. NFC South I picked I think
I picked at Lanta to win it, in Tampa Bay
to finish second. So that's not a big shock. It's
the two best quarterbacks in that division, which are Kirk
Cousins and Baker Mayfield. Surprising NFC North now, obviously Minnesota
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is a big surprise, but we said we thought the
division was going to be really good. So I picked
green Bay to win it, and then I had Detroit
and Green Bay of the playoffs teams. It looks like
Minnesota is going to be a playoff team. I think
you could have three playoff teams from that division. I
would not shock me at all, so we'll let that
play out. But the only surprise is Minnesota. And even then,
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we said if Minnesota finished this third or fourth, they'll
be the best best third or fourth offense to ever
not make the playoffs. They're stacked. NFC West I picked
the Rams and the Niners to make the playoffs. I
think the Niners will probably win this division. The Rams
had a ton of cluster injuries. But I'll throw this
out there. I think the Rams will finish second in
this division. I think Arizona is immature and inconsistent, and
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I think Seattle's got limitations at quarterback. So my guess
is La and Seattle will battle for that number two
spot in the division. So the only huge shock this
year is Minnesota. That's it. And I think Washington didn't
surprise me. But Washington has surprised some people, but there's
not as many, not as many crazy outcome. There's been
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a shocked team every year in the league that I
can remember. Last year it's Houston, this year it's Minnesota,
and that's it now. Jerry Jones his team, he suffered
his worst loss ever at home, which is remarkable because
the first year he bought the team in eighty nine.
They were one in fifteen and finished fifth in the
NFC East, and the NFC East no longer has five teams.
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He was frustrated after the loss.
Speaker 8 (25:34):
This was very concerning and it was very humbling. This
was a shocker. I thought we would do a lot
of things better in that football game, and think we can.
We just didn't do him out there today.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
I would not fire Mike McCarthy. I do think Eric
Mangini made a good point. If the interim guys for
the Jets look good the rest of the way, it
will give some people the idea you can do that.
Jerry doesn't fire mid season. It's not his thing. It's
just he doesn't do that. So, and he addressed firing
Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Would it take you to evaluate making a head coaching
change in season? Oh, I haven't considered that.
Speaker 8 (26:14):
I'm not considering that because so you're clear.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
I'm not considering that, but you've done it.
Speaker 6 (26:19):
I wouldn't be a hypothetical in that matter.
Speaker 8 (26:21):
Do you think I'm an idiot? Do you? Uh?
Speaker 1 (26:26):
He's pretty upset.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
I think you can blame whoever you want. When Micah
Parsons doesn't play it's not a very good defense, and
they haven't hit on a ton of draft picks. They've
hit on their first rounders. They hit on Micah and
Ceedee Lamb. I think I would consider trading. I think
I'd consider trading Micah and getting a first round and
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a fourth round pick. I mean, I mean, look, Detroit.
The two best running backs in that game both Detroit.
Best offensive line Detroit before the injury, best ed rush Detroit,
best tight end Detroit, best quarterback Detroit, best culture Detroit,
I mean, best wide receiving unit Detroit. Detroit's better than
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Dallas everywhere secondary. Detroit's been you know, bayling Water for
years on that, but I I don't like that. Wasn't
If they played ten times, Detroit would win all ten games.
They're better across the board than Dallas. I think you can.
I think there's an argument. The best roster in the league,
San Francisco. Number two is Detroit.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
Can I float a team that you were high on
in the offseason but have been maybe not lukewarm, but
just not as bullish on, and that's the Green Bay Packers.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Oh, I like him a lot, so.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
You if we just toss out the first game in
Brazil and then Jordan Love's first game back.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
I think they're gonna go on a seven game winning streak.
Speaker 5 (27:44):
So this quote just came across my desk. Okay, Demico
Ryans on Packers quarterback Jordan Love. They're playing on Sunday,
great matchup. He will be the best quarterback we've seen
this year. Houston faced Josh Allen two weeks ago, and
Demiko Ryans is out here saying Jordan Love is the
best quarterback we're seeing this year.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
I think, and if the last twelve games, Jordan Love
is much more consistent than Josh Allen.
Speaker 6 (28:06):
Mis Packer's team looks they I mean you, you caught
bet of the weekend.
Speaker 5 (28:11):
I didn't think it would be that easy. They were
up like twenty three nothing days. It was a blowout early.
The defense starts coming around, and Love is one hundred
percent healthy.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
I think Jordan Love is going to have a Super
Bowl win. I don't know if it's this year. Boy,
it's gonna be hard to get you better.
Speaker 6 (28:27):
NFC's tougher than the AFC. Right now, it feels like
there's just a lot of I.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Think I get more consistency like Canned, like I don't know.
Baltimore is so dangerous.
Speaker 6 (28:36):
Green Bay Houston. I don't think that makes the Blazing four.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Listen to this. Jordan Love has already missed two games.
He's second in the NFL in touchdown passes.
Speaker 6 (28:44):
Their receivers are.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
In their tight end, shut down one guy out. We
got three capable tight ends, five capable wide receivers. They're
they're green Bay nobody. If you go to the last
thirty years, and I'm maybe I'm being hypothetical, I bet
your Green Bays drafted better and developed better than anybody
in the league.
Speaker 6 (29:04):
Yeah, they've drafted really good. By the way, this week's
schedule is unbelievable. Jet Steelers is gonna be a sloberknocker.
It's gonna be good. But look around, Chiefs, Niners.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
I'm gonna I gotta be honest with you. I'm gonna
have to bet Brock party this weekend.
Speaker 6 (29:22):
Really Yeah, Andy Reid off a bye. I thought that
was like an auto play for you.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
We'll see. There's there's some good ones.
Speaker 6 (29:30):
How about.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
How about this. I'm three and oh this week I'm
gonna get the Jets tonight. I'll tell you right now,
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
Well, Jets slight underdog at home against the Buffalo team.
That's been a roller coaster this year, so of the Jets, frankly,
but a lot of movement. Jeff Ulbrich is now the
new head coach, solid fired and now they have a
new play caller in Todd Downing. Eric Mangini, former Jets coach,
joining US live Fox Sports. Okay, that's a lot of
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movement in a week. I don't know how much as
a coach, how much of your own personality you can
bring in. Do you think the Jets could be a
little frenetic, a little uneven tonight? What's your guess.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Why?
Speaker 4 (01:01):
I would imagine that they're gonna come out firing and
then and there's gonna be a lot of juice. And
what happens is when you when you have a transition
or change during the course of the season.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
It's a lot like smelling salts.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
We we all know that that everything is tenuous and
guys can get fired, But when it happens and and
it's real and and you're in a moment like like
they're in right now, it's a pretty big wake up
call to the roster. So I expect them to come
out and and play well. And for Jeff, he has
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nothing to lose, so he can take chances he can
he can make the decisions that that he feels are
in the best interest of the team because he really
has He has nothing to lose at this point, so
it's house money. And and this this will have an
impact on other coaches around the league, whether it's Dallas
or Jacksonville or Philadelphia. If this experiment works for the
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Jets and they start playing better, all those other coaches
that that the hot seats getta you know, hotter and
Hotter now could could be out sooner rather than later.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
If it works in New York tonight.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
So if you go back to Thursday, brought pretty over
Geno Smith, the best quarterback won every game this weekend.
And I think it in the first month, bad teams
don't know they're bad. And then eventually everybody gets film
on everybody and you're like, Okay, there are quarterbacks that
are limited. There's personnel groupings that are limited. I watched
Caleb and Trevor Lawrence yesterday, and I don't know how
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much of the regression for Trevor is him or the coaching,
But Caleb Williams coach, he looked like the real deal.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Look.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
I mean there are multiple times when he would look left, middle, right,
come back to left. It was like he looked the part,
did he not?
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (02:44):
And what happens is the good teams and the good coaches.
You go into the season who with who you want
to be, and then you realize who you need to be,
and those good coaches and good teams figure that out
and start playing that way, and the other teams and
they continue to lose. What I liked about Caleb in
terms of his progression is he's he's so much more
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poised in the pocket. Early on, it felt like every
and this is this is my concern, every time he
had to make a play, he was leaving the pocket early.
He was running around, he was extending plays and and
that's that's not what you want. He has that ability
and he can make wild plays doing that. But you
want to see him poise in the pocket, going through
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his progressions, taking taking what's there, and then then making
the wild plays, you know, when when he needs to
r I thought the two throws to Keenan Allen were great.
I thought those were the best throws I've seen him
make so far.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
All Right, Drake may first start twenty to thirty three.
They don't have much to work with. You don't want
to be I mean, he looks young, his face looks young.
I mean he looks like a kid. I mean you
watch him and you're like, let's lower the exp I mean,
Caleb Williams looks like. I mean, he's like, I don't
know the whole game, the power, the move. But he
had Lincoln Riley two big programs. Here comes this kid
out of UNC and what was your interpretation of it?
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Well, they got some offensive production which they hadn't been
getting at all. Really like the throw that he had
at the end of the half. There's gonna be mistakes,
like there are with any rookie quarterback, and he's further
behind than the other guys who've been starting.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
But encouraging for the group to be able.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
To at least put up twenty one points get the
three touchdown passes. I do feel like there's some pretty
strong Sam Darnold early comparisons with him as a player.
So you're gonna get mistakes, You're gonna get some throws
where you just it doesn't make sense. But that's part
of the progression and for the group, for the rest
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of the team to have someone that gives you a
chance that goes a long way.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
So very rarely, I'm not gonna to use the word quit,
but the Dallas thing, you could I could see this
with the Chiefs on Monday against the Saints, and I
saw this with the Lions against the Cowboys. I mean,
they had three different touches for offensive linemen. It was
kind of a flex. It was kind of hey, we're
on National TV. Andy Reid Monday and Dan Campbell and
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Ben Johnson said we got a few tricks and we
want you all to know in this league we're the
bully now. I mean, it literally felt like that. Were
you shocked how uneven the talent and coaching looked.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
I wasn't shocked.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
I've I've been down on Dallas since before the start
of the season, they talked about going all in, but
they weren't really in a position to go all in
and their one dimensional Colin they can't run the ball
with any kind of effectiveness at all, So it all
falls on Dak and Ceedee Lamb. And now defensively, you
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know that you can tee off ninety percent of the
time because they can't run the ball. And then defensively,
they're transitioning from from Dan to Mike Zimmer's defense, and
it's very different, and there's been problems and now there's
been injuries, and I would imagine it's it's a totally
different approach to defense. They're good, but different and will
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take time, and nothing's clicking for them at all. And
to lose the way that they've lost at home for
how long they've been so good at home, that makes
me think that going into this by week, I know,
Jerry said he's not going to make a change, but again,
if the Jets lighted up here tonight and they've got time,
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who knows what Jerry could be thinking, you know, a
few days from now.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
You know, it's interesting the Lions lose Aiden Hutchison and
There's been a lot of speculation Max Crosby, the Raiders
are done. I mean even the Patriots this year moved
off Judah before the season to Atlanta because Atlanta felt
like we can win the division, and I get New
England thinking and we'll get some draft picks. What would
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you give if you're Detroit and you're gonna have to
start paying some of these guys, some of these old linemen,
what would you give up to get a Max Crosby?
Because I do think Hutcheson's loss he gives that secondary
which has not been good, and he makes the secondary
better and he get into these playoff games in a
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shootout and you don't have a pass rush with that
secondary in Detroit. I mean, if you were a coach
and a GM came to you, what would you give
up to go get a Max Crosby and a really
elite player to replace him? Knowing that Hutchison's back next year.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Yeah, that's a difficult question, especially this early in the season,
because I don't think that that Las Vegas fields they're done,
and a lot of these teams that have some talented
guys that they may eventually be willing to give up
they're not at the spot yet where they think the
season's over, So the praise you're gonna have to pay
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is pretty high. And Detroit strikes me as the type
of team that wants their their homegrown talent to go
in and fill those gaps, to go in and fill
those those voids, as opposed to trying to go out
and get somebody else. And that that culture is strong,
it's it's been developed, it's hard.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
He he, he coaches hard, he works him hard.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
And the difference for them is there guys have bought
into it and and and own it and like it.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Where a lot of.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Times that that hard coaching guys will revolt against they
seem that they seem to have embraced it. And you
bring somebody in from the outside world that doesn't understand
the way the Lions do things that the Lion's way.
You may not get the production you're hoping for from
a trade like that.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Did you ever watch Nick Sirianni all the years you
ran off the field in Cleveland and New York. Those
are cold weather fans, They get ticked off. Did you
ever say anything to a fan? Did you ever want
to say anything?
Speaker 4 (09:03):
There are plenty of times where you wanted to say things,
but no, you never you never say anything. And and look,
unfortunately I had some down years and there was there's
some booing and some pretty negative comments. But the last
thing you want to do is to engage your home
fan base in a negative way, because not just because
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of it's it's not the right thing to do, but
it's not the right thing to do for your players.
Now that environment, the next time they make a mistake
is going to turn that much more negative because you've
antagonized the group. So now now your guys have to
deal with that. And and as a head coach, your
whole job is to avoid distractions, to make things easier
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for the group of players around you. The last thing
you want to do is anger the Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Man, I mean, as a coach, when you watched that,
what did what do you think?
Speaker 3 (10:04):
I think? I think it came out of a bye.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
You got your three stars back, and you're getting a
field goal blocked, your you still haven't scored in the
first quarter. You promise changes and and the only thing
that really changes is your haircut.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
And it's not it's not it's not what you would.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Expect from from somebody in a position like like he's in,
or really any head coach for that matter. It's I
don't know, maybe maybe I'm getting old Colin, but I
just I don't get get that that approach at all.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Yeah, I just it just looks so juvenile er brown,
it looks.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Yeah, yeah, it's rough.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
You know, if the owner doesn't like it. You know
Howie Roseman doesn't like it. Those guys upstairs, regardless if
you support him or not, that the guy's upstairs don't
like that. The owner probably talked to him this morning, right.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
You would, Yeah, I would think so. And then I
mean even kids watching it. What do you do when
when things aren't going your way you start drawing back
and forth with someone Like it's not a good look.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
It's not a good look for anybody.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Yeah, Eric Good Senior's always.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Coach awesome talk to you, you bet.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
It is just so weird to see that, right, Like,
that's the last thing you ever want to acknowledge. Give
fans oxygen. They're dying for that. Just to avoid them.
Just if you're a player, keep your helmet on, run
off the field, just just stay out of that space.
Fans have a right to be obnoxious. It's your responsibility,
is the one with a good job to just let
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people blow steam off.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
Isn't this sort of like when people come after you
on social media and are yelling at you and screaming
you staying blah blah blah.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
People have a right to I get it sports. People
love sport. I don't have a problem with fans barking
and yelling. I don't have a problem with that. I mean,
I don't have a problem with me getting hate online.
But you got to be above it, right, Like that's
that's the responsibility to the guy making the money. Like,
be above the anger and the emoting and.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
Trusting when you go after a team on here or
say something negative, you're gonna get fifty fans from the
Steelers or whatever fan base saying really inappropriate.
Speaker 6 (12:14):
Stuff to you who cares? Like, I think you just
got to brush that off.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Yeah, above it. As a coach, I can't believe you
can even hear it. I mean it's loud, you've got
headsets on your barking.
Speaker 6 (12:24):
That's a good point.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
I had the fact that you would hear it back.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
There, which maybe says something about Sirianni that he's hearing it.
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Speaker 6 (12:47):
All right, Colin.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
The London game featured the Jaguars, who fell to one
in five got kind of dismembered there by the Bears.
In the Super Bowl era, only four teams have rallied
from a one in five start to make the playoff,
and yesterday, after the loss, Doug Peterson said Jacksonville needed,
wait for it to change the culture. He explained further
this morning when asked again about it.
Speaker 7 (13:11):
Obviously, we've lost some games here, right, so we want
to change that culture. To win a culture, that's that's
why we coach, and that's why we play.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
What do you make?
Speaker 5 (13:25):
But wasn't he hired to change the culture after the
Urban Meyer fiasco.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
I think it's very hard to change a culture mid stream,
like when you come in and you're Dan Campbell. So
it's always better for a coach to come in hard
like Tom Komflin or Dan Campbell and lighten up. I
think it's incredibly hard to come in soft and then
pretend you're a tough guy. Like parenting, if you're strict,
it's easy to lighten up as your kids age. It's
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hard to be ice cream for breakfast ad and then
they're gonna take you seriously when you bark at him
when they're a senior in high school. You got to
come in hard and tough as a coach, set a culture.
Doug's never been known as a great culture guy. He's
a smart guy, he's a nice guy. But in Philadelphia
it got too loose. This organization looks loose.
Speaker 6 (14:12):
Colin this is It's not like this is year one
for him. This is year three, I know.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
And now he wants to bang his hand on the table.
I think it's too late. Wade Phillips was this. Wade's
like a nice guy. But Wade was just kind of
a nice guy. He lets stuff go. Hey, you'll you'll
find this in every industry. You've got to coach hard
during the good times, like Nick Sabano was called positive
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media rat poison. Like when you're good, everybody says how
great you are. Then practices slowly dovetail and you let
stuff go and it's like no, no, no, no, no. It's
much easier to stop that when you're winning. When you're losing,
you'll lose players. So Jacksonville now wants to lose the
change the culture and they're losing. Well, you probably have
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half that locker room that already doesn't buy a thing,
he says. Now he's gonna pound bang the table for respect.
It's not gonna work.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
It's over total disaster. Next up is Lamar Jackson, the
two time MVP. Yeah, I think you earlier said that
he's probably the MVP leader right now. Well, Sunday he
passed Cam Newton for second most career rushing yards by
a quarterback.
Speaker 6 (15:23):
I'll just remind you Lamar's twenty seven years old.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
No, no, he's only four hundred and forty eight yards
behind Mike Vick, the quarterback NFL rushing leader.
Speaker 6 (15:30):
Of all time.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Yeah, he's the best running quarterback ever. Is Steve Young
is probably in that class?
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Vick was two for sure.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Well, if Lamar's one, Vic has to be too nick
Well you two your two, Mike Vick. You're too young
to remember. Steve Young.
Speaker 5 (15:46):
He hosted, he hoisted trophies. He was not a better
running quarterback of Steve Young. Great passing quarterback, excellent runner.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
He was a Now Cam's not in that class. I
mean in care of what you say he watches. He's
got rabbit heres like I'd like to I'd like his podcast, really,
I'd like to get his podcast.
Speaker 6 (16:03):
You know he invited me on and then backed out.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Well you get a little.
Speaker 6 (16:07):
I'm sorry for reading.
Speaker 5 (16:08):
Facts and data to the table because you sometimes come on.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Get out of here. Well, you know, I would say
the best running quarterback, I would say to me, it's Vic,
Steve Young, and Lamar put him in the order you want.
They were all different. I think Young developed into a
great passer. He was also a lefty, So Steve was
a running quarterback and a lefty in an era that
quarterbacks didn't run. So he was such a unique player.
Now a lot of guys move, but it's those three.
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Cam's career didn't last very long.
Speaker 6 (16:38):
His peak was excellent the one year he was the
VP they want.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
He had about a five year peak where he was
just uh, there wasn't anything like him on the planet.
Big Ben was had some of his skills, size and
could move, but Cam was totally different. He's really good. Yeah,
always had a defensive coach Belichick to Ron Revere.
Speaker 6 (16:57):
Playing someone else. Anyways, Okay, let's move on. Final story.
NBA NBA.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
Colin, Now, I don't know if you saw this last night,
Dante DiVincenzo, who was shipped from Minnesota to New York.
They played at the Garden, and if you're watching at home,
Dante DiVincenzo had some words for Thibodeaux at the foul
line and lip readers.
Speaker 6 (17:15):
Were going crazy last night.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
And then after the game, de Vincenzo got into it
heated discussion with Jalen Brunson's dad. Now, again it's unclear
what went down. Devincenzo tried to poo poo some of
it afterward, but Colin, it was very weird. He's saying
it was an inside joke with Thibodeau. But there's no
smile or grin or laugh. So Mike car saying, so
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here's my question on this. I thought the reports where
Deefendenzo was glad, he was going he wanted more touch.
Speaker 6 (17:45):
We're playing time in touches.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Yeah, and that that is he insinuating. I mean, look
at that Jalen Brunson's day.
Speaker 5 (17:50):
Jalen Brunson had his arm around Devincenzo trying to diffuse
it while he was talking tracks to Jalen Brunson's dad.
Speaker 6 (17:55):
That is very awkward, guy.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
What do you I don't What is the what is
the not moral to the story? What's the what's the
play here? Is it that Thibodeau wanted him gone and
Jalen Brunson's dad signed off on it and he's bitter
against both?
Speaker 6 (18:12):
Well, apparently it doesn't. It's more Brunson's dad.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
I believe that wanted him out. I was driving. We
need to get down, we need more size, we need ah.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
So basically Jalen Brunson's dad to the Star Guard, probably
went to Tibbs and said, we need size. We got
enough guards, we need size, and Devingenzo wants to be
a bigger part of the scoring than he probably deserves.
And then Devingeno heard it. Eventually you heard it that
basically the Brunson's dad and TIBs were like, yeah, let's
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get him out. We got enough guards. Well, they have
enough scoring now with Michale Bridges, Karl, Anthony Towns and Brunson.
They have a point guard score a small forward score
and a big score.
Speaker 6 (18:53):
They're stacked.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
I would stage, No, it's a good job, it's it's it's.
Speaker 6 (19:00):
A good team. Really, they're loaded.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
There's only five teams that could win the championship.
Speaker 6 (19:05):
Now, let's hear the name them.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Oka, s Denver, Osey Okay, sir okay, ok s Denver, Boston,
New York stop really well, Philly and New York are
both good ly, that's true. I like New York more
than Philly, although I love Paul George. So I would
say that if I had to get five teams to
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win the title, I would go, I'm not no order, Boston, Oklahoma, Denver,
and then I have to chew. I don't buy Dallas
like you do. They have Clay Thompson. You're aware of that. Oh,
there'll be a nice regular season team.
Speaker 6 (19:42):
But what about the Lakers and lebron Are you just
missing the king?
Speaker 1 (19:46):
No that you're gonna start seeing a little oil leak
like the Cowboys.
Speaker 6 (19:49):
Stop it got them really looking good.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
It's not a Jj Reddick issue. It's a Lebronz a
year older, eighties getting frustrated. Austin Reeves still on the team.
By the way, Bronny, maybe the third leading scorer. Okay,
all right, so we didn't finish, Okay, C Boston. I
think the Knicks are better than Philly slightly, Denver, Minnesota,
(20:16):
Anthony Edwards. No, I think Minnesota. Go Bear Gobert, Conley,
Ant Defangendo off the bench. Julius Randall. That's a pretty
good team. I don't know what their chemistry is going
to be like, but that's a good team. That's a
good that's a good club. Great coach too, your guy. Yeah, well,
I'll say the top of this one six or seventy
(20:36):
six is Dallas. You like him more than I do.
Speaker 6 (20:38):
Yeah. You can discount Lebron all you want, but I
would have him there.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
He's like, he's forty eight now, so he's still really good.
Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
And last year, Anthony Davis was healthy all year. And
Anthony David this probably doesn't like me, but I had
said all year he was the defensive player of the year.
I don't care about Gobert. I don't want to hear it.
Eighty was amazing, but is he going to have another
year with no injuries? That dude played every night last
year and there are so many bigs in the league now,
I mean ad was last year and a half. That
(21:17):
dude is. He's not missing games in his career. He
gets banged up, I don't know. Just get that ball
to Browny on the wing.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
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Speaker 1 (21:33):
So you know something interesting about a rating service for
our business. We can't really talk about him on the air,
but I'll use it analogous to like a pole. If
I put something on my website today that was a
poll do you think yes or no? And one hundred
people voted, you will get the same result in terms
(21:55):
of percentage sixty forty thirty five sixty five as you
would with one hundred thousand people voting. Is that you
think as you extrapolated out it will change it. It
really doesn't. And the same goes for seasons. You can
tell by week six if you look at the standings today,
I don't think there's gonna be a lot of changes
from what we see today. We know the best coaches,
(22:16):
we know the worst coaches. We know the best quarterbacks
and the worst quarterbacks. I mean, take the AFC. I
predicted the four teams leading their divisions. In the AFC,
I predicted all of them. Why because they all had
capable coaches and good quarterbacks, and so I think Buffalo
and the Jets Miami. I think Buffalo is the one
(22:36):
team that will make the playoffs. I think the Jets
in Miami, as I predicted, will battle to the final
week of the year. Two is eventually coming back. In
the AFC South, I don't think there's any question the
Texans are the best team. I don't think there's a
playoff team in the rest of that division. In the
AFC North, I think Cincinnati will win. I think more
(22:57):
games than Pittsburgh over time. If Burrow's healthy. Baltimore's clearly
the class. I picked them to win the division they lead.
In the AFC West, I think it's going to finish
Kansas City one, Harbaugh and Herbert two. So I don't
you know what order three and four in doesn't really matter.
But I think to this point the teams that you
think because the quarterback play is so good in the AFC,
(23:19):
it's been very predictable, and I don't think you'll see
massive changes in the NFC. The NFC East and the
NFC West are different. So the NFC East, I had
Philadelphia and Washington making the playoffs. I think that's the case.
I don't think Dallas is very good. I think the
New York Giants aren't good enough to be a playoff team.
So Washington right now leads the division. Philadelphia second. I
(23:40):
predicted they would flip flop, but at this point I've
watched Washington. I think they have a better coach and
a better quarterback without having as many good players. But
that's not a shock. NFC South I picked I think
I picked at Lanta to win it, in Tampa Bay
to finish second. So that's not a big shock. It's
the two best quarterbacks in that division, which are Kirk
Cousins and Baker Mayfield. Surprising NFC North now, obviously Minnesota
(24:03):
is a big surprise, but we said we thought the
division was going to be really good. So I picked
green Bay to win it, and then I had Detroit
and Green Bay of the playoffs teams. It looks like
Minnesota is going to be a playoff team. I think
you could have three playoff teams from that division. I
would not shock me at all, so we'll let that
play out. But the only surprise is Minnesota. And even then,
(24:23):
we said if Minnesota finished this third or fourth, they'll
be the best best third or fourth offense to ever
not make the playoffs. They're stacked. NFC West I picked
the Rams and the Niners to make the playoffs. I
think the Niners will probably win this division. The Rams
had a ton of cluster injuries. But I'll throw this
out there. I think the Rams will finish second in
this division. I think Arizona is immature and inconsistent, and
(24:47):
I think Seattle's got limitations at quarterback. So my guess
is La and Seattle will battle for that number two
spot in the division. So the only huge shock this
year is Minnesota. That's it. And I think Washington didn't
surprise me. But Washington has surprised some people, but there's
not as many, not as many crazy outcome. There's been
(25:10):
a shocked team every year in the league that I
can remember. Last year it's Houston, this year it's Minnesota,
and that's it now. Jerry Jones his team, he suffered
his worst loss ever at home, which is remarkable because
the first year he bought the team in eighty nine.
They were one in fifteen and finished fifth in the
NFC East, and the NFC East no longer has five teams.
(25:31):
He was frustrated after the loss.
Speaker 8 (25:34):
This was very concerning and it was very humbling. This
was a shocker. I thought we would do a lot
of things better in that football game, and think we can.
We just didn't do him out there today.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
I would not fire Mike McCarthy. I do think Eric
Mangini made a good point. If the interim guys for
the Jets look good the rest of the way, it
will give some people the idea you can do that.
Jerry doesn't fire mid season. It's not his thing. It's
just he doesn't do that. So, and he addressed firing
Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Would it take you to evaluate making a head coaching
change in season? Oh, I haven't considered that.
Speaker 8 (26:14):
I'm not considering that because so you're clear.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
I'm not considering that, but you've done it.
Speaker 6 (26:19):
I wouldn't be a hypothetical in that matter.
Speaker 8 (26:21):
Do you think I'm an idiot? Do you? Uh?
Speaker 1 (26:26):
He's pretty upset.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
I think you can blame whoever you want. When Micah
Parsons doesn't play it's not a very good defense, and
they haven't hit on a ton of draft picks. They've
hit on their first rounders. They hit on Micah and
Ceedee Lamb. I think I would consider trading. I think
I'd consider trading Micah and getting a first round and
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a fourth round pick. I mean, I mean, look, Detroit.
The two best running backs in that game both Detroit.
Best offensive line Detroit before the injury, best ed rush Detroit,
best tight end Detroit, best quarterback Detroit, best culture Detroit,
I mean, best wide receiving unit Detroit. Detroit's better than
(27:10):
Dallas everywhere secondary. Detroit's been you know, bayling Water for
years on that, but I I don't like that. Wasn't
If they played ten times, Detroit would win all ten games.
They're better across the board than Dallas. I think you can.
I think there's an argument. The best roster in the league,
San Francisco. Number two is Detroit.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
Can I float a team that you were high on
in the offseason but have been maybe not lukewarm, but
just not as bullish on, and that's the Green Bay Packers.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Oh, I like him a lot, so.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
You if we just toss out the first game in
Brazil and then Jordan Love's first game back.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
I think they're gonna go on a seven game winning streak.
Speaker 5 (27:44):
So this quote just came across my desk. Okay, Demico
Ryans on Packers quarterback Jordan Love. They're playing on Sunday,
great matchup. He will be the best quarterback we've seen
this year. Houston faced Josh Allen two weeks ago, and
Demiko Ryans is out here saying Jordan Love is the
best quarterback we're seeing this year.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
I think, and if the last twelve games, Jordan Love
is much more consistent than Josh Allen.
Speaker 6 (28:06):
Mis Packer's team looks they I mean you, you caught
bet of the weekend.
Speaker 5 (28:11):
I didn't think it would be that easy. They were
up like twenty three nothing days. It was a blowout early.
The defense starts coming around, and Love is one hundred
percent healthy.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
I think Jordan Love is going to have a Super
Bowl win. I don't know if it's this year. Boy,
it's gonna be hard to get you better.
Speaker 6 (28:27):
NFC's tougher than the AFC. Right now, it feels like
there's just a lot of I.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Think I get more consistency like Canned, like I don't know.
Baltimore is so dangerous.
Speaker 6 (28:36):
Green Bay Houston. I don't think that makes the Blazing four.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Listen to this. Jordan Love has already missed two games.
He's second in the NFL in touchdown passes.
Speaker 6 (28:44):
Their receivers are.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
In their tight end, shut down one guy out. We
got three capable tight ends, five capable wide receivers. They're
they're green Bay nobody. If you go to the last
thirty years, and I'm maybe I'm being hypothetical, I bet
your Green Bays drafted better and developed better than anybody
in the league.
Speaker 6 (29:04):
Yeah, they've drafted really good. By the way, this week's
schedule is unbelievable. Jet Steelers is gonna be a sloberknocker.
It's gonna be good. But look around, Chiefs, Niners.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
I'm gonna I gotta be honest with you. I'm gonna
have to bet Brock party this weekend.
Speaker 6 (29:22):
Really Yeah, Andy Reid off a bye. I thought that
was like an auto play for you.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
We'll see. There's there's some good ones.
Speaker 6 (29:30):
How about.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
How about this. I'm three and oh this week I'm
gonna get the Jets tonight. I'll tell you right now,
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