May 8, 2025 • 37 mins
Colin talks to NBA analyst Ric Bucher in studio about Jayson Tatum coming up short once again in the 4th quarter
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
All right, Rick Buker is joining us here in studio.
You've been covering this league, both of us. We've been
covering it or watching it for thirty plus years. Usually
the world champions at home play with a certain confidence
and if you will, Yeah, they looked like Oklahoma City
in Game one, and I do I said this before.
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Great teams all have something in common. Even though this
is a collaborative unit, you do kind of turn to
the guy, even Pippin Hall of Famer, Michael at cheers,
Michael de burd It's yours. Kobe and Shack were different
because they both were ones. But it does matter when
two of the last three shots by Tatum were fallaways.
It's almost like he has to be convinced to be aggressive, right.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Yeah, Well he doesn't have a go to spot. He
doesn't have a go to shot, and in looking at
look after they won the championship last year and the
way he played for the better part of the regular season,
I thought I was seeing a different guy. I thought
he had taken a step up in confidence. Prior to that,
it was Jalen Brown who wanted the ball and was
willing to go get it, and I saw more from
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Jason like he was willing to get it. But then
I did a little deeper dive and he was willing
to shoot the three more and be aggressive in shooting that.
And he hit some clutch shots from three over the
course of the season. So it gave you the appearance
that he'd become more of that go to guy, but
it was at the cost of his mid range game
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and finishing at the rim. He took fewer shots at
the rim this season than he ever has in his career,
and his mid range went down as well. What compensated
for that, he took nearly half of his shots from
three point range. So now we're looking at your go
to guy, who if his three point shot is not falling,
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which it has not in this series, what's he going
to And on the other side of the equation, you
have the New York Knicks, who have the most clutch
player who is comfortable playing at all three levels. Jason
Tatum has morphed where maybe at the beginning of his
career you could say he was a three you know,
three level scorer.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
He's not now, okay, so I'm going to throw this
at you. Is that? And this is where I defended him.
I said, the gat Danny Aingeen, Brad Stevens essentially are
the franchise. They have built this passing shooting. You know,
it's a very offensive minded franchise. And because Tatum is
such a collaborative guy, he'll beat guys off the dribble,
pulled back three. Yeah, Michael and Kobe would have fought this,
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I would have said, And I love the zen Master.
Phil Jackson knew there were moments were not running the triangle.
Michael's taking it over this organization. It's almost like the
gms have too much power. It's so analytically driven that Tatum.
You can watch him rick. He'll beat guys off the dribble,
pull back and take a worse shot.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
You saw it in Game one. I mean Joe Mizula said, hey,
you know, took sixty threes, but they were good looks.
So essentially I'm good with us taking sixty threes. And
the thought is you shouldn't be good with that because
you lost, and there are other ways to play the game.
And maybe the best thing, not that I'm wishing that
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the Boston Celtics lose or not repeat, but perhaps the
best thing for the game would be if they get
knocked out with their philosophy. Because it's a copycat league. Yes,
people believe that if you take I mean I can
literally tell you, and plenty of GMS and coaches hate it,
but they've been told analytically, they've been shown the formula.
Take a certain number threes you have a better chance
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of winning versus teams that are following that formula.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Okay, but are they considering Adam Silver telling the officiating
crews let it be muddied up.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Well, that's the huge difference here, and that's what we're.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Seeing y road teams. By the way, my theory, why
are road teams and underdogs doing well? Because if you
have two teams, one with a better record, with the
home court advantage, a pretty offensive team, and the league
goes you can wrestle with them, Well, it's the finesse
team is like whoa and the wrestling team is like, well,
this is who we are. So you're finding these teams
like New York and Golden State, by the way, without Steph,
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they love grabbing and pushing. Tonight's game, I think Minnesota
will win. But my taket, we're seeing all these underdogs
win the leagues allowing officiating that plays to the less
aesthetically pleasing team, the grinders, the rooms, and that's what
the Knicks are.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Well, essentially, it makes it a lower scoring game and
it becomes a POSSESSI by possession game. And you're right,
and I don't know that we've ever seen the physicality.
It's crazy that we've seen in this playoffs. I love it,
so do I right, because it forces the other thing
it forces you to do, by and large, is if
you're going to create shots, you have to run offense,
real hands, yes, real offense. You can't just come down
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and chuck shots or expect that you're going to get
to the rim.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Okay, So now, oh J Max threw this one out there.
He said, if you get beaten five games or four,
and I don't think they will, but you get beat
by the Knicks. Brian Winhorse today said, listen, if they
just keep their first round pick and fill the roster
with a pick they can't even bring Al Horford back,
they'll be over five hundred million. He said, they're gonna
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make moves here, and I do think. Here's my take
is that we thought Denver was gonna win multiple and
then they get rid of a Bruce Brown.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Called Pope.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
All of a sudden, you look up and you're like,
Jeff Green, We're just we're just a good team. What
would change that for Boston? Yannis? So you go Janis
and Tatum and now you have a true dog in
the number one. And so my take is if they lose,
you know, should you just do it Denver and go,
you know, we'll lose a couple of pieces, but we'll
be very good. You kind of have a passive star
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on this. Yeah, And and so I get My take
is you have to make a move if you get
shelled by the next do you not?
Speaker 3 (06:27):
I would expect that they would. I thought that they would.
They would carry the freight and you would pay the price.
If you win the championship and you have a chance
of the three peat, you're almost obligated to try to
bring everybody back. Al Horford, I can give or take that.
That essentially the if you're keeping the rest of that core.
And by the way of a big factor here that
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we're not going to get into to now, but Kristaps
Porzingis only being partially available is a big factor in
this because he's the one guy who has a mid
range game. That's where I would push back back on
you with Giannis being the solution. Yes, he's gonna bring
more dog in aggression, but he's not your go to closer. Again,
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what you're seeing is the teams that are winning against
this physicality. It's basically, we're gonna run you off the
three point line and we're gonna meet you at the rim,
and we're allowed to body you when you're going to
the rim. So you're not gonna score at the same level.
So what do you have for a mid range game?
The teams that are being successful all have mid range scorers.
And that's the one thing that Boston is missing with
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Chris STAPs Perzingi's not being available. That's where he was
key and that's where he's most valuable.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
So I think when we think of the Warriors because
of the Splash Brothers and because Steve Kerr is the
coach and Steph Curry. We think offense, they're actually the
league's best defense since Jimmy Butler arrived. And the advantage
of not playing with Steph is they can even It's
almost like hockey, you don't need anybody to protect your Gretzky.
Curry may be gone, they can double down on physicality yep, yeap,
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and who are you going to go after? Right? Like
Butler loves physicality in a weird Now, I'm not saying
I do think the Warriors can win a game and
push it to a six or seven without Steph?
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Do you I think it's possible because I think that
their basketball IQ and their system trumps all of the
other advantages that Minnesota has. Minnesota is more athletic, they're deeper,
they're more versatile, bigger, all of that. But basketball IQ
and your system can negate all of that, as we
saw in Game one, right because you had Buddy Healed
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and any number of guys fitting in. Now, I do
believe that Minnesota is going to be They're going to
respect Buddy Healed and they're going to respect Draymond Green
and Gary Payton in a way that they didn't. That's
right in that first game. And I think if you
saw it down the stretch, once you tighten up on them,
they're not the same three point.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Shooters, right right.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
So, and by the way, the Warriors are an example
of what you're talking about with Boston. They were the
first team to run into we want a championship and
then but we did it on lesser contracts and now
we pay everybody and uh, and now we're now we
can't add the pieces that we would. We have to
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start handing them off. That's what Denver did, right, They
had to. They had to get frugal. And on top
of that, Adam Silver looked at it and said, I
don't want anybody or not Adam Silver, the owners without
as much money, said you can't let these guys just
pay the luxury tax because they can afford to. That's
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not fair, because they're gonna just keep adding player right right,
and they're gonna go get the the the free agents
that get the buyouts right and join and so so
Adam was like, Okay, here's the compromise. We're gonna take
away all of your ability like, we're gonna we're gonna
tax you even more, and then we're gonna take away
the exceptions. We're gonna take away if you make a trade,
it's got to be one for one. Like we're gonna
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make it so difficult for you to do anything with
your roster above and beyond what you have that that
is going to even the playing field. And that's essentially
what you gyms are now facing.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Yeah. No, I mean, I we were theorizing earlier. Why
are there are so many upsets because there's not a
great team and the Boston's the best team. They're a
good team. But I mean, I watch Indiana, and I
watched Indiana and Cleveland, and I'm like, if Garland's not playing,
Indiana is a better basketball team. Yeah, they're just a
better basketball team.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
And what's and what are those teams have in common
and the ones that are the up and comers is
that they haven't paid their stars yet. Yes, by and large,
you're not paying Andrew Nemhart yet, you're not parents paying
aaron Ne Smith, right, and and so, and Oklahoma City
is in the same in the same boat. They really
haven't had to pay anybody yet. And the rest of
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the Western Conference. There's a difference between one or two
games between right between the second seed and the seventh seed,
so that parody is already there.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Okay, so this was I talked about this yesterday. I
think the Lakers and the Clippers, but let's talk Lakers.
I think they're a bit deluded. I think the Marquis
looks big. The movie's not. This is a player that
won't get in shape. Austin Reeves is undrafted and got
overwhelmed athletically against Minnesota. Lebron's older, and it's key. You
can't ask him to play seventy five games then be
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brilliant in the postseason. They don't have a big the
coach likes, and I'm not sure the coach is quite
ready to be next level yet. Great, that's the movie.
The Marquis sound JJ Reddick, Lebron, Luca. It sounds great.
I'm not saying it's Ishtar, but it's it's not The Godfather. Okay,
so the Marque's way better than the movie. You could
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fix that, though, if Lebron took the least he's allowed
to take. And with that my radio audience, Rick is
shaking his head. What do you why do you do that?
So he's got to shake chance.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
There's a couple of things. Number One, you're not gonna
be able. You need to turn the page. You need to.
It's not we're not remaking the movie. We we have
a different leading star and we need and we did.
We need to get him a different plot. Yes, because
in a different supporting cast.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
We know he needs Biggs because there's only one way
to build around Luca size. Yes, you can't do it
any other way.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
But you also have to make it his team.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Okay, fine, And as.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Long as Lebron James is in LA, regardless of how
much he's making Lebron James, is that that when when
you walk into the locker room where you're gonna look,
there's Luca's locker and there's Lebron's locker, which you're.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Still looking at. Lebern should trade him?
Speaker 3 (12:46):
No, I I don't. I wouldn't say that because I
don't think that they can get anything significant for him.
I'm just saying that you're not going to be able
to build your next title contending team until Lebron is gone.
And I'm not ushering him into retirement. I'm not suggesting
that he should retire, but he can take whatever he wants.
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First of all, he's making he's making fifty two million
next year. Okay, if you they're there. If you, if
he signed the minimum and you let all of the
cap holds and the unrestricted free agents go, like the
Jackson Hayes and the Alex Lambs and all that, I
think you would have ten million dollars worth of cap room.
What's that going to do for you? I don't know
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that it's going to do enough. And that's not even
counting the fact that you have to resign presumably re
signed Dorian Finney Smith.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
You can trade Houstin Reeves, can't you?
Speaker 3 (13:36):
I know? But what are you going to What are
you going to get for Austin reed.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
How about that big guy in Brooklyn, Nick Nick Claxton.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Okay, Like is that going to change you?
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Well, it gives you big because.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
But it's like it's one piece that you need and
they need like three or four pieces.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Well, I don't think they're a championship team. I'm saying
if Lebron did that, it would get I can't look
at I can't look at San Antonio, Oklahoma City and
Houston all the picks and all the young talent. This
is the worst they'll ever be fair. And you want
me to put the Lakers in that class? I can't.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
No, no, no, I agreed, agreed. But if we're gonna get,
if we're gonna get, let's say, essentially, we're gonna give
Luka Doncis a team that we last saw him have
in Dallas that he took to the to the finals, right,
which is that that's that's the blueprint, right right. You
didn't have just Nick Claxton. You had Derek Lively and
Daniel gaff Right, so you had a big on the
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floor at all times. You had PJ. Washington, who far
better defender than Lebron James is right now, maybe not
quite the score or playmaker, but you didn't need that
because you had Luka doncons So I just looked and
then you know, they picked up Derek Jones off off
the scrap people. Oh and by the way, you had
Kyrie Irving, who played a monstrous role in the playoffs
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last year. It's probably overlooked. I don't have that quality
of a number two, And no, Lebron James isn't capable
of being what Kyrie Irving was last year at this
stage of his career. So again, like it's it's for me.
The heart of it is until you can start looking
at this as we're building around Luka Dancic, you're still
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comp you're compensating the fact that you have Lebron James,
your former superstar, still sitting there right next to him.
Am I Like, I mean does that make.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
I just think LA is in the business of selling
us movies and what the Clippers and the Lakers do
a larger degree are selling us is a really average
movie with a great poster.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
When was the last time that the Lakers legitimately were
a title contender?
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Take out the COVID year.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
I'll give you the COVID year.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
It's still five years right right.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Yeah, we've in our minds, we've always had them. Oh
they're just a piece away, They're right there, they could
go and yeah, I know they went to the Western
Conference finals got swept by Denver.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
But let me ask this, so let's just get down
to the Yannis piece, because we all felt with the
Knicks they need another piece, and maybe they do, but
it may not be as big a piece as everybody thinks,
because maybe Brunson is a one, and he's not a
top five or six one, but between Bridges and og
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and you're like, well, we don't need it because our
two and our three and Josh Hart. So my takeaway
is new information creates new opinion. I thought they got
to make a big Yannis move, and I'm like, well,
Yannis would be great because Brunson and Heart are great
free throw shooters late, so you wouldn't have to have
Yannis necessarily closed. Jannis would give you leads, and Heart
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and Brunson ball in their hands get fouled. So I
think Yannis would make them And to me, if you
could keep but you'd have to give up so much
to get him. I guess this is a question. If
the Knicks knock off Boston and they get to the
Eastern Conference finals, and they beat Boston, they can get
to the finals. I'm sitting there thinking, maybe they just
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need another McHale Bridges level guy, Or doesn't it not
change how we think about the Knicks needing blank? Yeah,
this series is changing how I think. If the NBA
is gonna allow tugle war during the playoffs, I'm not
sure they need a lot.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
No, I agree with that, I think it's wide open.
I think that Indiana Pacers and the New York Knicks
both are capable of getting to the finals.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
They just keep changing big. So you keep Heart Brunson,
og McHale, and then you just every year or two
try to get a big that fits. Yes.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Here's the thing though that and it's not as sexy
as Gianni is going to New York. But and I
agree with you one thousand percent, what I want to
pair him with is a dynamic point guard who can
be who's my closer. That's what I want. And so
you have that Oklahoma City, you have that in where
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else am I thinking? I looked at Orlando with Pallo
Bancaro as a point forward. I think that works. Houston
not quite there. Detroit I think is a great pairing
with Kate Cunningham, and those teams have young pieces and
draft capital. If I'm Milwaukee, what I you know, getting
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Karl Anthony Towns. I would rather have a number of
picks and a couple of young, dynamic players that I'm
starting over with and going to try to get an
established star and build around Karl Anthony Towns. I already
saw that movie in Minnesota and it didn't get that far.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Rick Buker, good stuff delivered.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
I think we got a lot done today.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
We did.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
We were very efficient spring cleaning. We got everything backed
up and ready to go. Yeah, there'll be more next
week and live in li It's to hurt.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
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Speaker 1 (19:10):
I saw through about eight hours of sleep last night,
and after watching that game, I had just visions of
Knicks jumping over the Celtics into the Eastern Conference Finals.
Isn't that crazy? The NBA, you know, it's funny. Sometimes
there's unintended consequences and unintended benefits of allowing stuff. So
the NBA is like, we're gonna allow the most physical
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playoff action we ever have, and what it's done, it's
given the less beautiful teams, the more physical teams, you know,
like Golden State without Steph or with Steph Butler and
Draymond they're just grabbing in Minnesota's like, this is like
we're playing football, and it's given the Knicks, which are
a tough, physical, resilient team a huge edge over Boston.
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I don't think it's a bad thing the Nick's winning,
but it's interesting. It's like an unintended It's not a
benefit or a consequence. It's an unintended result, which is
road teams lower scoring. If you have lower scoring, that
always benefits the less gifted offensive team. It's I mean,
if neither team can score, that that benefits the defensive
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team that's not known for its scoring anyway.
Speaker 5 (20:17):
Colin, that's good And well, what do you think Adam
Silver is going to say when it's June first and
the NBA Finals, Is Indiana at Okac or.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
What if it's what if it's the New York Knicks
and Denver.
Speaker 6 (20:32):
I'd rather New York Knicks versus Steph Curry.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
But I would love the Knicks versus anybody.
Speaker 6 (20:37):
It's not a guarantee the Knicks gift by the Pacers,
they are good, you know, I.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Think they I would. I wonder if they'd be underdogs.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
Then the Pacers, by the way, the second most popular
basketball team in Indiana.
Speaker 6 (20:48):
You know who Number one is, Caitlin Clark Stever.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Listen, I'll say this, Indiana won't get a number, but
I find them incredibly fun to watch. I love their
style of basketball. I think Indiana's not depending on the
I love Haliburton people. People are crazy. He's great. I
love their roster, Siakam and Turner the other guard from Gonzak. Yeah,
like it's a really in a well called. I don't
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have a prime. I mean, I know it won't be.
I mean, if it was Indiana and Denver, you'd not
get a number. I gotta tell you something. It's a
New York makes the final.
Speaker 6 (21:22):
That would be great. It's been what twenty something? Yeah,
I think because I found.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Last ninety nine Boston Tatum is irritating. Now, Oh come on,
come on, Steve Current, the Olympics knew the truth.
Speaker 5 (21:35):
Why don't we just shive him to the Lakers. If
he's so irritating, let's get him out here to the Lakers.
Give up Austin Reeves a.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Lot of irritating things in my life. I don't want
to trade all of them. I'm just saying Tatum last
night was irritating. You're the star.
Speaker 6 (21:51):
He did dunk to give his team the lead with
eighteen seconds.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Celtics are eleven for eleven on dunks. How about to
do a few more of those. They've missed seventy five
threes in.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
Joe Missoula second row Joe or whatever his zig name is.
Maybe he needs to get Tatum some help. Maybe the
team's not that stacked.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Colin.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
You never forget what Brad Stevens did. He got Drew
Holliday and Porzingis because he had questions about Tatum closing.
He added two new offensive guys.
Speaker 6 (22:18):
By the way, for Zingis is sick, only played like
fourteen minutes. He's not what he was.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
There's some alarm about what the heck his illness is
because this has been like five four or five months
before Zingi's ill.
Speaker 6 (22:28):
He's not.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Mookie Betts for the Dodgers has that he's got an illness,
and I don't can anybody figure out what's going on?
There's a stomach thing there in a range Yeah, in
the winner. I don't know, all right. J Mack with the.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
News, No, no turns. This is the herd Line news,
all right. No.
Speaker 6 (22:45):
Steph Curry tonight for the Warriors due to the hamstring.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
He has been talking to the media today. I've been
tracking it. It doesn't sound like he's anywhere close to anything.
He's out for at least a week, and Steve Kernos
they'll have to adjust their offensive approach in Minnesota.
Speaker 7 (23:00):
When it comes down to it, this is about Steph,
this whole thing. He's like Tim Duncan and San Antonio,
you know, Michael Jordan in Chicago. There's none of it
happens without Steph. And everybody knows that we're absolutely gonna
rely on Jimmy like we have. You know, when Steph's
been off the floor the last couple of months, we'd
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basically run everything through Jimmy in those moments, so he'll
take on more responsibility. But we can't just rely on him,
you know, creating every single shot.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
We might have a j Mac.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
I like that.
Speaker 5 (23:35):
He's like Michael Jordan in Chicago. I hear that, and
I'm like, I bet you it's tougher to game plan
for Steph Curry than it was Michael Jordan because Steph
Curry will be thirty feet from the hoop and you've
got to be guarding him. You have to be out there,
and then it creates space for everyone else.
Speaker 6 (23:49):
You're getting three on two runouts.
Speaker 5 (23:50):
Because they're double teaming Curry thirty five feet from the basket.
Speaker 6 (23:53):
He's just without of I don't see.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
How well, Michael, you had a vertical dimension that Steph doesn't.
You know Steph's game is horizontal. You know Michael could
jump over you, go past you.
Speaker 6 (24:04):
What that's only two points?
Speaker 5 (24:05):
Give me the thirty foot threes that are just absolute
daggers from the greatest shooter in NBA history.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
I think people would I suspect most people would submit
to you that MJ's tougher to guard than stuff.
Speaker 5 (24:18):
Who do you do you think the Words could win
this without Curry anything? No, and I think they can
ugly it up and get to six or seven. I
absolutely think they'll win a game in the Bay. I
just think they're so good defensively, and Buddy, they've got
enough offense. Butler Draymond'll shoot three Buddy Hodds. You know
you got the guy from Netherlands post.
Speaker 6 (24:37):
No, I don't know about him.
Speaker 5 (24:38):
Butler can certainly go for like a forty burger and
keep them in the game. I think next story, sticking
with the NBA, the Clippers, they got Bounce in game seven,
they had Kawhi, they had James Harden. James Harden didn't
really show up. We call him Jim Harden. He had
seven points in an elimination game, so GM Lawrence Frank
bizarrely expects to run it back Colin with the Star
(25:00):
duo and he thinks that La the Clippers that is
are going to be a free agent destination moving forward.
Speaker 6 (25:07):
We're super excited about the direction going forward.
Speaker 8 (25:10):
We're going to continue to compete at a high level
while also preserving a path forward using financial flexibility and
the different advantages that.
Speaker 6 (25:18):
We have with our organization with Steve t.
Speaker 8 (25:21):
Lou the Great City of Los Angeles be into a
dome are players. We feel we are a high, highly
appealing place for players to be, so make no mistake,
we want to contend in the present. We also have
a plan for the future and won't take the necessary
steps to implement it.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Well, listen, it's you're going to be the same franchise.
If Hardens available in May and June is your closure
and Cohi is planned for you can say all that
stuff you would, I would move. Harden always has a
market because he's good in the regular So really you
think there's a market for Harden, not a huge one.
Speaker 5 (25:53):
So I'm looking at their salary cap breakdown Basically, their
top eight guys are all back next year.
Speaker 6 (26:00):
None of them are free agents.
Speaker 5 (26:01):
I don't know that this team can really get over
the hump and get better. Unlike the Lakers who added
Luca mid season, I don't think they're in the same class.
Speaker 6 (26:09):
Paper Clips are not even close to the Lakers.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
You realize Jannis is going to end up on one
of these really interesting Western teams, then how far are
they going to be back.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
The paper Clips?
Speaker 6 (26:20):
Yeah, that's a no way now.
Speaker 5 (26:23):
But they got Bogdanovich Norm Powell. I like their team.
I still can't believe they lost that series called they
were up to one and at home to go up
three to one.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
And by the way, they lost to an interim coach.
Yeah and an I mean.
Speaker 6 (26:40):
I thought Tyler was a genior say that. Anyways, let's
go to the NFL Colin listen.
Speaker 5 (26:46):
I don't even know how to get this one out
without sounding like a moron. So Bleacher Report has put
out their list of the best twelve quarterbacks entering next season.
I'm just gonna they have Patrick Mahomes's four whatever. Matt
Stafford is not.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
A top twelve Quarterback's just like, I can't take you seriously,
if Matt Stafford not in Kena is on the list,
you're gonna put pretty Jordan Love and two on the list.
I can't take it seriously that the knocks out. It's
like it's like saying the top draws in Hollywood of
not having Tom Cruise near the list.
Speaker 5 (27:19):
Yeah, this is a bad list, Let's be real. Jared
Goff ahead of Jaden Daniels.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Come on, what for? I mean again? Is this based
on the next five years and chop quarterbacks entering next
You're gonna say you trust Tua over Matt Stafford in
a snow game in Philadelphia to drive you down the field.
So for the radio audience, where's Baker Mayfield not on
the list?
Speaker 5 (27:40):
Josh Allen has won Lamar two, Burrow three, Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
For Hurts five.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Who did this list?
Speaker 5 (27:47):
The Bleacher reported a disdate on Coward Bob or something
like bleacher Zack.
Speaker 6 (27:55):
The producer rolled up with this list. I was like,
come on, you got I can't.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
I can't make Coward.
Speaker 6 (28:00):
Gonna lose his mind. Matt Stafford not on the.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
Top twelve, Baker Mayfield not on the top twelve. Syree
Kill had Baker Mayfield top five Earlier this week, Leach
reports got of cleaning.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Know what this looks like? A list the Big Lead
would have had.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
Oh wow, that's harsh. Not with me at the helm
Hell no, I mean listen, you know I don't think
much of the Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
That's that's as bad as that Time magazine one hundred
most influential people. Sixteen w NBA players. No, Katelyn r.
What is going on? Pat Stafford's not on the list?
Speaker 6 (28:37):
Yeah, that's embarrassing.
Speaker 5 (28:40):
What I like when you get fired up about something,
it's just it's just dismissing.
Speaker 6 (28:46):
It's like when somebody puts a plate of veal parme
ganre for you.
Speaker 5 (28:49):
And then get that out of your No thanks, that's
the disdain you just displayed.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
You. Are you done? Because I'm done with this list.
Speaker 6 (28:56):
I'll say that you don't want to do another minute
of it?
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Do you haven't our story? I thought?
Speaker 6 (29:00):
Justin Field said no I did.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
No, We're good, Jay Macklin.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
News, Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by
the herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Have you ordered flowers for Mother's Day? You might want
to get on that.
Speaker 6 (29:11):
You're not being serious?
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Are you do it this morning?
Speaker 6 (29:13):
Come on, bro, I did that like two weeks ago.
Speaker 5 (29:15):
And by the way, the slick move when you order
them offline, don't send them on Friday, Saturday, or Sunday
because that they jack up the price. Set them on Wednesday,
so the moms get them early in the week.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
You are aware of this, right, that's a horrible moment.
Speaker 5 (29:29):
What do you mean then they get to celebrate Mother's
Day for like four days with the flowers.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Okay, you're an answer Christmas in October. It really, it
really is an emotional nns. Come on, you give them
on Mother's Day.
Speaker 5 (29:44):
Okay, you want to pay the premium, like an extra
fifteen dollars.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
You literally are on television parl Living. Your wife's not
worth an extra fifteen dollars.
Speaker 6 (29:53):
Oh no, I'm sending it to the wife, the mom,
the mother in law. So now you're stay with.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Flowers, honey. I got a great summer vacation. Let's go
to let's listen, I mean let's go to Anchorage. I
mean at some point, you gotta pay for what you get. Yeah, okay,
go hang out with Caribou. You want to night summer vacation,
you gotta be the beach Cariboo. Well, I'm just saying
five days early on flowers.
Speaker 6 (30:21):
You don't think that's smart.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
I don't think. Maybe it's fiscally responsible, but it's not.
Sometimes you just gotta deliver, you know how.
Speaker 5 (30:32):
The mom's filling the timing matter seeing the flowers Wednesday, Thursday,
Friday leading up to Mother's Day.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
It's just great. There there is a not so fine
line between frugal and cheap. All right, Birthday present sixty
four days early doesn't feel the same Christmas November third does.
Speaker 6 (30:52):
Christmas is canceled. You can't reference that anymore.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
It's the third.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
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Remember that movie Good Will. Our graphics team did it
for a pretty funny little graphic here on Jalen Brunson.
Here's Jalen Brown on being doubt oh two.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
To the Knicks being down oh two. It sucks, but
you know, we got a great group, and if I
have to select any guys that can get it done,
it's the group. It's the group that we have in
our locker room. We just got to come out be
a little bit more poised, you know, take a deep breath,
convert our opportunities. We missed the layups. Easy basket is, yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
I wish it was that easy. It's weird to see
a world champion look anxious. It's usually a young team.
I mean, I you watch these teams that have been around,
like Golden State, they don't look nervous at the end
of games. They look poised. They're getting good looks. Everybody's
engaged in the timeouts like you don't. Golden States never looks,
(32:52):
you know, nervous. Boston it's, you know, it's so collaborative.
Who's the guy they're all looking around at Tatum? Here's
Rick Buker earlier on Tatum's clear struggles in this series.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Doesn't have a go to spot. He doesn't have a
go to shot. He took fewer shots at the rim
this season than he ever has in his career, and
his mid range went down as well. What compensated for that,
he took nearly half of his shots from three point range.
So now we're looking at your go to guy, who
(33:25):
if his three point shot is not falling, which it
has not in this series, what's he going to.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
I also think the cheapest tickets right now for the
Knick Celtics at Madison Square Garden eight hundred dollars. The
most expensive tickets right now, fifty four thousand dollars. I
mean that that thing. It's gonna be the biggest basketball
game in New York in since the pat Riley era.
(33:53):
What was that nineties? Late what was it late nineties,
ninety eight, ninety nine, that fifty four thousand bucks for
a ticket? Jalen Clark playing? What is that?
Speaker 6 (34:05):
Can I push back? So that rip clip? He was like, hey,
Tatum took too many threes. I looked at Anthony Edwards numbers.
Speaker 5 (34:11):
Okay, Anthony Edwards more than half of his shots were
threes this season. Like, that's the new trend in the league.
That's what the coaches want. These guys cant shoot it out.
Edwards hit thirty nine percent from three this year. Tatum
only thirty four percent. Regress a little bit, I don't.
The consternation over Tatum is just puzzling. It's two games calling.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
That's it. No, it's here's what it is. You got
a kid, and he gets in trouble just a little
bit more than he should considering the family. And he
just when you thought he finally got it right, gets
kicked out of college or gets in another really ugly situation,
and you thought he knew better because he's getting older
(34:53):
and more mature, and he's now sort of in those
don't make dumb mistakes like we all have our kids
make mistake and then you know they go through stages
and then they graduate and they shouldn't make those mistakes
when they're twenty six. That they made it sixteen and
that we thought he was through this. He had his
best regular season and now we have to just own
(35:15):
and Steve kersaw it in Paris. This is who he is. Yeah,
he is a guy that gets anxious. He doesn't have
a stock, go to move and frankly, he is the
anti Brunson. One is work boots and one is leather loafers.
Speaker 5 (35:32):
I do like that analogy, the leather loafers. I know
you're a leather loafer guy. No not, I will say
regarding Tatum, he's gonna finish fourth in MVP voting.
Speaker 6 (35:42):
He will be fourth in he will be four years
in a row, first.
Speaker 5 (35:45):
Team All NBA, Like, I mean, we've got the data
of four seasons.
Speaker 6 (35:48):
He's a great, phenomenal player.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
Nobody's denying he is a great player. What we are
saying is there is a pattern, and people in the
building know it. Brad Stevens went and got Porzingis, and
he went and got Drew Halidy. Why did they get
rid of Marcus Smart? The reason they got rid of
Marcus Smart was Jalen Brown was taking the ball to
Tatum's hands when Marcus Smart started doing it, They're like,
(36:13):
whoa he would let Marcus Smart take let And then
finally Brad Stevens said, let's get a better version of
Marcus Smart who will understand his role. Drew Holliday and
Drew Holliday at like, you know, veteran Smart guys like
I'm not taking the ball to Tatum's hand late, like
Marcus Smart's like, I'm gonna eat two. So I mean
this The organization upstairs knows the dilemma.
Speaker 6 (36:34):
Okay, let me ask you.
Speaker 5 (36:36):
We talk about who number ones are in the NBA,
Like Lucas a one, Yokich is a one? Is Jason
Tatum for you right now? A one meaning Kenny be
the He's a.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
One, But I'll take Yokicch.
Speaker 6 (36:47):
I'll runs in a one.
Speaker 5 (36:49):
I think I have to come to terms with he is.
Is Haliburton the one, yes as he Cunningham. Yeah, yes,
so you keep cutting him in Haliburton. Yes, Brunson, I
don't know, no, no.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
No, no, I'm saying Brunson's not a traditional one, A
second round villanova guy, more hearts than talent, more heart
than talent. But I have to be honest here. There's there's,
there's the intangibles. He's a plus at those, and he's
he's B plus at talent. So he's a He's a one.
Speaker 6 (37:20):
So so, uh, Tatum is a one for you?
Speaker 1 (37:23):
Yeah, he's a one.
Speaker 6 (37:26):
Seem a little reluctant.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
He's a one. It is Devin Booker one. No, he's
a two, great too, could be the best two in
the league. A D's a two. Maybe he's the best
two in the league.
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
All right, Rick Buker is joining us here in studio.
You've been covering this league, both of us. We've been
covering it or watching it for thirty plus years. Usually
the world champions at home play with a certain confidence
and if you will, Yeah, they looked like Oklahoma City
in Game one, and I do I said this before.
(00:46):
Great teams all have something in common. Even though this
is a collaborative unit, you do kind of turn to
the guy, even Pippin Hall of Famer, Michael at cheers,
Michael de burd It's yours. Kobe and Shack were different
because they both were ones. But it does matter when
two of the last three shots by Tatum were fallaways.
It's almost like he has to be convinced to be aggressive, right.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Yeah, Well he doesn't have a go to spot. He
doesn't have a go to shot, and in looking at
look after they won the championship last year and the
way he played for the better part of the regular season,
I thought I was seeing a different guy. I thought
he had taken a step up in confidence. Prior to that,
it was Jalen Brown who wanted the ball and was
willing to go get it, and I saw more from
(01:31):
Jason like he was willing to get it. But then
I did a little deeper dive and he was willing
to shoot the three more and be aggressive in shooting that.
And he hit some clutch shots from three over the
course of the season. So it gave you the appearance
that he'd become more of that go to guy, but
it was at the cost of his mid range game
(01:52):
and finishing at the rim. He took fewer shots at
the rim this season than he ever has in his career,
and his mid range went down as well. What compensated
for that, he took nearly half of his shots from
three point range. So now we're looking at your go
to guy, who if his three point shot is not falling,
(02:13):
which it has not in this series, what's he going
to And on the other side of the equation, you
have the New York Knicks, who have the most clutch
player who is comfortable playing at all three levels. Jason
Tatum has morphed where maybe at the beginning of his
career you could say he was a three you know,
three level scorer.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
He's not now, okay, so I'm going to throw this
at you. Is that? And this is where I defended him.
I said, the gat Danny Aingeen, Brad Stevens essentially are
the franchise. They have built this passing shooting. You know,
it's a very offensive minded franchise. And because Tatum is
such a collaborative guy, he'll beat guys off the dribble,
pulled back three. Yeah, Michael and Kobe would have fought this,
(02:59):
I would have said, And I love the zen Master.
Phil Jackson knew there were moments were not running the triangle.
Michael's taking it over this organization. It's almost like the
gms have too much power. It's so analytically driven that Tatum.
You can watch him rick. He'll beat guys off the dribble,
pull back and take a worse shot.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
You saw it in Game one. I mean Joe Mizula said, hey,
you know, took sixty threes, but they were good looks.
So essentially I'm good with us taking sixty threes. And
the thought is you shouldn't be good with that because
you lost, and there are other ways to play the game.
And maybe the best thing, not that I'm wishing that
(03:41):
the Boston Celtics lose or not repeat, but perhaps the
best thing for the game would be if they get
knocked out with their philosophy. Because it's a copycat league. Yes,
people believe that if you take I mean I can
literally tell you, and plenty of GMS and coaches hate it,
but they've been told analytically, they've been shown the formula.
Take a certain number threes you have a better chance
(04:04):
of winning versus teams that are following that formula.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Okay, but are they considering Adam Silver telling the officiating
crews let it be muddied up.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Well, that's the huge difference here, and that's what we're.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Seeing y road teams. By the way, my theory, why
are road teams and underdogs doing well? Because if you
have two teams, one with a better record, with the
home court advantage, a pretty offensive team, and the league
goes you can wrestle with them, Well, it's the finesse
team is like whoa and the wrestling team is like, well,
this is who we are. So you're finding these teams
like New York and Golden State, by the way, without Steph,
(04:39):
they love grabbing and pushing. Tonight's game, I think Minnesota
will win. But my taket, we're seeing all these underdogs
win the leagues allowing officiating that plays to the less
aesthetically pleasing team, the grinders, the rooms, and that's what
the Knicks are.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Well, essentially, it makes it a lower scoring game and
it becomes a POSSESSI by possession game. And you're right,
and I don't know that we've ever seen the physicality.
It's crazy that we've seen in this playoffs. I love it,
so do I right, because it forces the other thing
it forces you to do, by and large, is if
you're going to create shots, you have to run offense,
real hands, yes, real offense. You can't just come down
(05:20):
and chuck shots or expect that you're going to get
to the rim.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Okay, So now, oh J Max threw this one out there.
He said, if you get beaten five games or four,
and I don't think they will, but you get beat
by the Knicks. Brian Winhorse today said, listen, if they
just keep their first round pick and fill the roster
with a pick they can't even bring Al Horford back,
they'll be over five hundred million. He said, they're gonna
(05:43):
make moves here, and I do think. Here's my take
is that we thought Denver was gonna win multiple and
then they get rid of a Bruce Brown.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Called Pope.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
All of a sudden, you look up and you're like,
Jeff Green, We're just we're just a good team. What
would change that for Boston? Yannis? So you go Janis
and Tatum and now you have a true dog in
the number one. And so my take is if they lose,
you know, should you just do it Denver and go,
you know, we'll lose a couple of pieces, but we'll
be very good. You kind of have a passive star
(06:19):
on this. Yeah, And and so I get My take
is you have to make a move if you get
shelled by the next do you not?
Speaker 3 (06:27):
I would expect that they would. I thought that they would.
They would carry the freight and you would pay the price.
If you win the championship and you have a chance
of the three peat, you're almost obligated to try to
bring everybody back. Al Horford, I can give or take that.
That essentially the if you're keeping the rest of that core.
And by the way of a big factor here that
(06:49):
we're not going to get into to now, but Kristaps
Porzingis only being partially available is a big factor in
this because he's the one guy who has a mid
range game. That's where I would push back back on
you with Giannis being the solution. Yes, he's gonna bring
more dog in aggression, but he's not your go to closer. Again,
(07:09):
what you're seeing is the teams that are winning against
this physicality. It's basically, we're gonna run you off the
three point line and we're gonna meet you at the rim,
and we're allowed to body you when you're going to
the rim. So you're not gonna score at the same level.
So what do you have for a mid range game?
The teams that are being successful all have mid range scorers.
And that's the one thing that Boston is missing with
(07:32):
Chris STAPs Perzingi's not being available. That's where he was
key and that's where he's most valuable.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
So I think when we think of the Warriors because
of the Splash Brothers and because Steve Kerr is the
coach and Steph Curry. We think offense, they're actually the
league's best defense since Jimmy Butler arrived. And the advantage
of not playing with Steph is they can even It's
almost like hockey, you don't need anybody to protect your Gretzky.
Curry may be gone, they can double down on physicality yep, yeap,
(08:00):
and who are you going to go after? Right? Like
Butler loves physicality in a weird Now, I'm not saying
I do think the Warriors can win a game and
push it to a six or seven without Steph?
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Do you I think it's possible because I think that
their basketball IQ and their system trumps all of the
other advantages that Minnesota has. Minnesota is more athletic, they're deeper,
they're more versatile, bigger, all of that. But basketball IQ
and your system can negate all of that, as we
saw in Game one, right because you had Buddy Healed
(08:38):
and any number of guys fitting in. Now, I do
believe that Minnesota is going to be They're going to
respect Buddy Healed and they're going to respect Draymond Green
and Gary Payton in a way that they didn't. That's
right in that first game. And I think if you
saw it down the stretch, once you tighten up on them,
they're not the same three point.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Shooters, right right.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
So, and by the way, the Warriors are an example
of what you're talking about with Boston. They were the
first team to run into we want a championship and
then but we did it on lesser contracts and now
we pay everybody and uh, and now we're now we
can't add the pieces that we would. We have to
(09:17):
start handing them off. That's what Denver did, right, They
had to. They had to get frugal. And on top
of that, Adam Silver looked at it and said, I
don't want anybody or not Adam Silver, the owners without
as much money, said you can't let these guys just
pay the luxury tax because they can afford to. That's
(09:37):
not fair, because they're gonna just keep adding player right right,
and they're gonna go get the the the free agents
that get the buyouts right and join and so so
Adam was like, Okay, here's the compromise. We're gonna take
away all of your ability like, we're gonna we're gonna
tax you even more, and then we're gonna take away
the exceptions. We're gonna take away if you make a trade,
it's got to be one for one. Like we're gonna
(09:59):
make it so difficult for you to do anything with
your roster above and beyond what you have that that
is going to even the playing field. And that's essentially
what you gyms are now facing.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Yeah. No, I mean, I we were theorizing earlier. Why
are there are so many upsets because there's not a
great team and the Boston's the best team. They're a
good team. But I mean, I watch Indiana, and I
watched Indiana and Cleveland, and I'm like, if Garland's not playing,
Indiana is a better basketball team. Yeah, they're just a
better basketball team.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
And what's and what are those teams have in common
and the ones that are the up and comers is
that they haven't paid their stars yet. Yes, by and large,
you're not paying Andrew Nemhart yet, you're not parents paying
aaron Ne Smith, right, and and so, and Oklahoma City
is in the same in the same boat. They really
haven't had to pay anybody yet. And the rest of
(10:51):
the Western Conference. There's a difference between one or two
games between right between the second seed and the seventh seed,
so that parody is already there.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Okay, so this was I talked about this yesterday. I
think the Lakers and the Clippers, but let's talk Lakers.
I think they're a bit deluded. I think the Marquis
looks big. The movie's not. This is a player that
won't get in shape. Austin Reeves is undrafted and got
overwhelmed athletically against Minnesota. Lebron's older, and it's key. You
can't ask him to play seventy five games then be
(11:23):
brilliant in the postseason. They don't have a big the
coach likes, and I'm not sure the coach is quite
ready to be next level yet. Great, that's the movie.
The Marquis sound JJ Reddick, Lebron, Luca. It sounds great.
I'm not saying it's Ishtar, but it's it's not The Godfather. Okay,
so the Marque's way better than the movie. You could
(11:44):
fix that, though, if Lebron took the least he's allowed
to take. And with that my radio audience, Rick is
shaking his head. What do you why do you do that?
So he's got to shake chance.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
There's a couple of things. Number One, you're not gonna
be able. You need to turn the page. You need to.
It's not we're not remaking the movie. We we have
a different leading star and we need and we did.
We need to get him a different plot. Yes, because
in a different supporting cast.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
We know he needs Biggs because there's only one way
to build around Luca size. Yes, you can't do it
any other way.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
But you also have to make it his team.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Okay, fine, And as.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Long as Lebron James is in LA, regardless of how
much he's making Lebron James, is that that when when
you walk into the locker room where you're gonna look,
there's Luca's locker and there's Lebron's locker, which you're.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Still looking at. Lebern should trade him?
Speaker 3 (12:46):
No, I I don't. I wouldn't say that because I
don't think that they can get anything significant for him.
I'm just saying that you're not going to be able
to build your next title contending team until Lebron is gone.
And I'm not ushering him into retirement. I'm not suggesting
that he should retire, but he can take whatever he wants.
(13:07):
First of all, he's making he's making fifty two million
next year. Okay, if you they're there. If you, if
he signed the minimum and you let all of the
cap holds and the unrestricted free agents go, like the
Jackson Hayes and the Alex Lambs and all that, I
think you would have ten million dollars worth of cap room.
What's that going to do for you? I don't know
(13:28):
that it's going to do enough. And that's not even
counting the fact that you have to resign presumably re
signed Dorian Finney Smith.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
You can trade Houstin Reeves, can't you?
Speaker 3 (13:36):
I know? But what are you going to What are
you going to get for Austin reed.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
How about that big guy in Brooklyn, Nick Nick Claxton.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Okay, Like is that going to change you?
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Well, it gives you big because.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
But it's like it's one piece that you need and
they need like three or four pieces.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Well, I don't think they're a championship team. I'm saying
if Lebron did that, it would get I can't look
at I can't look at San Antonio, Oklahoma City and
Houston all the picks and all the young talent. This
is the worst they'll ever be fair. And you want
me to put the Lakers in that class? I can't.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
No, no, no, I agreed, agreed. But if we're gonna get,
if we're gonna get, let's say, essentially, we're gonna give
Luka Doncis a team that we last saw him have
in Dallas that he took to the to the finals, right,
which is that that's that's the blueprint, right right. You
didn't have just Nick Claxton. You had Derek Lively and
Daniel gaff Right, so you had a big on the
(14:37):
floor at all times. You had PJ. Washington, who far
better defender than Lebron James is right now, maybe not
quite the score or playmaker, but you didn't need that
because you had Luka doncons So I just looked and
then you know, they picked up Derek Jones off off
the scrap people. Oh and by the way, you had
Kyrie Irving, who played a monstrous role in the playoffs
(14:59):
last year. It's probably overlooked. I don't have that quality
of a number two, And no, Lebron James isn't capable
of being what Kyrie Irving was last year at this
stage of his career. So again, like it's it's for me.
The heart of it is until you can start looking
at this as we're building around Luka Dancic, you're still
(15:22):
comp you're compensating the fact that you have Lebron James,
your former superstar, still sitting there right next to him.
Am I Like, I mean does that make.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
I just think LA is in the business of selling
us movies and what the Clippers and the Lakers do
a larger degree are selling us is a really average
movie with a great poster.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
When was the last time that the Lakers legitimately were
a title contender?
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Take out the COVID year.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
I'll give you the COVID year.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
It's still five years right right.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Yeah, we've in our minds, we've always had them. Oh
they're just a piece away, They're right there, they could
go and yeah, I know they went to the Western
Conference finals got swept by Denver.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
But let me ask this, so let's just get down
to the Yannis piece, because we all felt with the
Knicks they need another piece, and maybe they do, but
it may not be as big a piece as everybody thinks,
because maybe Brunson is a one, and he's not a
top five or six one, but between Bridges and og
(16:31):
and you're like, well, we don't need it because our
two and our three and Josh Hart. So my takeaway
is new information creates new opinion. I thought they got
to make a big Yannis move, and I'm like, well,
Yannis would be great because Brunson and Heart are great
free throw shooters late, so you wouldn't have to have
Yannis necessarily closed. Jannis would give you leads, and Heart
(16:54):
and Brunson ball in their hands get fouled. So I
think Yannis would make them And to me, if you
could keep but you'd have to give up so much
to get him. I guess this is a question. If
the Knicks knock off Boston and they get to the
Eastern Conference finals, and they beat Boston, they can get
to the finals. I'm sitting there thinking, maybe they just
(17:16):
need another McHale Bridges level guy, Or doesn't it not
change how we think about the Knicks needing blank? Yeah,
this series is changing how I think. If the NBA
is gonna allow tugle war during the playoffs, I'm not
sure they need a lot.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
No, I agree with that, I think it's wide open.
I think that Indiana Pacers and the New York Knicks
both are capable of getting to the finals.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
They just keep changing big. So you keep Heart Brunson,
og McHale, and then you just every year or two
try to get a big that fits. Yes.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Here's the thing though that and it's not as sexy
as Gianni is going to New York. But and I
agree with you one thousand percent, what I want to
pair him with is a dynamic point guard who can
be who's my closer. That's what I want. And so
you have that Oklahoma City, you have that in where
(18:08):
else am I thinking? I looked at Orlando with Pallo
Bancaro as a point forward. I think that works. Houston
not quite there. Detroit I think is a great pairing
with Kate Cunningham, and those teams have young pieces and
draft capital. If I'm Milwaukee, what I you know, getting
(18:31):
Karl Anthony Towns. I would rather have a number of
picks and a couple of young, dynamic players that I'm
starting over with and going to try to get an
established star and build around Karl Anthony Towns. I already
saw that movie in Minnesota and it didn't get that far.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Rick Buker, good stuff delivered.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
I think we got a lot done today.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
We did.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
We were very efficient spring cleaning. We got everything backed
up and ready to go. Yeah, there'll be more next
week and live in li It's to hurt.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
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Speaker 1 (19:10):
I saw through about eight hours of sleep last night,
and after watching that game, I had just visions of
Knicks jumping over the Celtics into the Eastern Conference Finals.
Isn't that crazy? The NBA, you know, it's funny. Sometimes
there's unintended consequences and unintended benefits of allowing stuff. So
the NBA is like, we're gonna allow the most physical
(19:32):
playoff action we ever have, and what it's done, it's
given the less beautiful teams, the more physical teams, you know,
like Golden State without Steph or with Steph Butler and
Draymond they're just grabbing in Minnesota's like, this is like
we're playing football, and it's given the Knicks, which are
a tough, physical, resilient team a huge edge over Boston.
(19:53):
I don't think it's a bad thing the Nick's winning,
but it's interesting. It's like an unintended It's not a
benefit or a consequence. It's an unintended result, which is
road teams lower scoring. If you have lower scoring, that
always benefits the less gifted offensive team. It's I mean,
if neither team can score, that that benefits the defensive
(20:15):
team that's not known for its scoring anyway.
Speaker 5 (20:17):
Colin, that's good And well, what do you think Adam
Silver is going to say when it's June first and
the NBA Finals, Is Indiana at Okac or.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
What if it's what if it's the New York Knicks
and Denver.
Speaker 6 (20:32):
I'd rather New York Knicks versus Steph Curry.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
But I would love the Knicks versus anybody.
Speaker 6 (20:37):
It's not a guarantee the Knicks gift by the Pacers,
they are good, you know, I.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Think they I would. I wonder if they'd be underdogs.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
Then the Pacers, by the way, the second most popular
basketball team in Indiana.
Speaker 6 (20:48):
You know who Number one is, Caitlin Clark Stever.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Listen, I'll say this, Indiana won't get a number, but
I find them incredibly fun to watch. I love their
style of basketball. I think Indiana's not depending on the
I love Haliburton people. People are crazy. He's great. I
love their roster, Siakam and Turner the other guard from Gonzak. Yeah,
like it's a really in a well called. I don't
(21:12):
have a prime. I mean, I know it won't be.
I mean, if it was Indiana and Denver, you'd not
get a number. I gotta tell you something. It's a
New York makes the final.
Speaker 6 (21:22):
That would be great. It's been what twenty something? Yeah,
I think because I found.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Last ninety nine Boston Tatum is irritating. Now, Oh come on,
come on, Steve Current, the Olympics knew the truth.
Speaker 5 (21:35):
Why don't we just shive him to the Lakers. If
he's so irritating, let's get him out here to the Lakers.
Give up Austin Reeves a.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Lot of irritating things in my life. I don't want
to trade all of them. I'm just saying Tatum last
night was irritating. You're the star.
Speaker 6 (21:51):
He did dunk to give his team the lead with
eighteen seconds.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Celtics are eleven for eleven on dunks. How about to
do a few more of those. They've missed seventy five
threes in.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
Joe Missoula second row Joe or whatever his zig name is.
Maybe he needs to get Tatum some help. Maybe the
team's not that stacked.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Colin.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
You never forget what Brad Stevens did. He got Drew
Holliday and Porzingis because he had questions about Tatum closing.
He added two new offensive guys.
Speaker 6 (22:18):
By the way, for Zingis is sick, only played like
fourteen minutes. He's not what he was.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
There's some alarm about what the heck his illness is
because this has been like five four or five months
before Zingi's ill.
Speaker 6 (22:28):
He's not.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Mookie Betts for the Dodgers has that he's got an illness,
and I don't can anybody figure out what's going on?
There's a stomach thing there in a range Yeah, in
the winner. I don't know, all right. J Mack with the.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
News, No, no turns. This is the herd Line news,
all right. No.
Speaker 6 (22:45):
Steph Curry tonight for the Warriors due to the hamstring.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
He has been talking to the media today. I've been
tracking it. It doesn't sound like he's anywhere close to anything.
He's out for at least a week, and Steve Kernos
they'll have to adjust their offensive approach in Minnesota.
Speaker 7 (23:00):
When it comes down to it, this is about Steph,
this whole thing. He's like Tim Duncan and San Antonio,
you know, Michael Jordan in Chicago. There's none of it
happens without Steph. And everybody knows that we're absolutely gonna
rely on Jimmy like we have. You know, when Steph's
been off the floor the last couple of months, we'd
(23:20):
basically run everything through Jimmy in those moments, so he'll
take on more responsibility. But we can't just rely on him,
you know, creating every single shot.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
We might have a j Mac.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
I like that.
Speaker 5 (23:35):
He's like Michael Jordan in Chicago. I hear that, and
I'm like, I bet you it's tougher to game plan
for Steph Curry than it was Michael Jordan because Steph
Curry will be thirty feet from the hoop and you've
got to be guarding him. You have to be out there,
and then it creates space for everyone else.
Speaker 6 (23:49):
You're getting three on two runouts.
Speaker 5 (23:50):
Because they're double teaming Curry thirty five feet from the basket.
Speaker 6 (23:53):
He's just without of I don't see.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
How well, Michael, you had a vertical dimension that Steph doesn't.
You know Steph's game is horizontal. You know Michael could
jump over you, go past you.
Speaker 6 (24:04):
What that's only two points?
Speaker 5 (24:05):
Give me the thirty foot threes that are just absolute
daggers from the greatest shooter in NBA history.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
I think people would I suspect most people would submit
to you that MJ's tougher to guard than stuff.
Speaker 5 (24:18):
Who do you do you think the Words could win
this without Curry anything? No, and I think they can
ugly it up and get to six or seven. I
absolutely think they'll win a game in the Bay. I
just think they're so good defensively, and Buddy, they've got
enough offense. Butler Draymond'll shoot three Buddy Hodds. You know
you got the guy from Netherlands post.
Speaker 6 (24:37):
No, I don't know about him.
Speaker 5 (24:38):
Butler can certainly go for like a forty burger and
keep them in the game. I think next story, sticking
with the NBA, the Clippers, they got Bounce in game seven,
they had Kawhi, they had James Harden. James Harden didn't
really show up. We call him Jim Harden. He had
seven points in an elimination game, so GM Lawrence Frank
bizarrely expects to run it back Colin with the Star
(25:00):
duo and he thinks that La the Clippers that is
are going to be a free agent destination moving forward.
Speaker 6 (25:07):
We're super excited about the direction going forward.
Speaker 8 (25:10):
We're going to continue to compete at a high level
while also preserving a path forward using financial flexibility and
the different advantages that.
Speaker 6 (25:18):
We have with our organization with Steve t.
Speaker 8 (25:21):
Lou the Great City of Los Angeles be into a
dome are players. We feel we are a high, highly
appealing place for players to be, so make no mistake,
we want to contend in the present. We also have
a plan for the future and won't take the necessary
steps to implement it.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Well, listen, it's you're going to be the same franchise.
If Hardens available in May and June is your closure
and Cohi is planned for you can say all that
stuff you would, I would move. Harden always has a
market because he's good in the regular So really you
think there's a market for Harden, not a huge one.
Speaker 5 (25:53):
So I'm looking at their salary cap breakdown Basically, their
top eight guys are all back next year.
Speaker 6 (26:00):
None of them are free agents.
Speaker 5 (26:01):
I don't know that this team can really get over
the hump and get better. Unlike the Lakers who added
Luca mid season, I don't think they're in the same class.
Speaker 6 (26:09):
Paper Clips are not even close to the Lakers.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
You realize Jannis is going to end up on one
of these really interesting Western teams, then how far are
they going to be back.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
The paper Clips?
Speaker 6 (26:20):
Yeah, that's a no way now.
Speaker 5 (26:23):
But they got Bogdanovich Norm Powell. I like their team.
I still can't believe they lost that series called they
were up to one and at home to go up
three to one.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
And by the way, they lost to an interim coach.
Yeah and an I mean.
Speaker 6 (26:40):
I thought Tyler was a genior say that. Anyways, let's
go to the NFL Colin listen.
Speaker 5 (26:46):
I don't even know how to get this one out
without sounding like a moron. So Bleacher Report has put
out their list of the best twelve quarterbacks entering next season.
I'm just gonna they have Patrick Mahomes's four whatever. Matt
Stafford is not.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
A top twelve Quarterback's just like, I can't take you seriously,
if Matt Stafford not in Kena is on the list,
you're gonna put pretty Jordan Love and two on the list.
I can't take it seriously that the knocks out. It's
like it's like saying the top draws in Hollywood of
not having Tom Cruise near the list.
Speaker 5 (27:19):
Yeah, this is a bad list, Let's be real. Jared
Goff ahead of Jaden Daniels.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Come on, what for? I mean again? Is this based
on the next five years and chop quarterbacks entering next
You're gonna say you trust Tua over Matt Stafford in
a snow game in Philadelphia to drive you down the field.
So for the radio audience, where's Baker Mayfield not on
the list?
Speaker 5 (27:40):
Josh Allen has won Lamar two, Burrow three, Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
For Hurts five.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Who did this list?
Speaker 5 (27:47):
The Bleacher reported a disdate on Coward Bob or something
like bleacher Zack.
Speaker 6 (27:55):
The producer rolled up with this list. I was like,
come on, you got I can't.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
I can't make Coward.
Speaker 6 (28:00):
Gonna lose his mind. Matt Stafford not on the.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
Top twelve, Baker Mayfield not on the top twelve. Syree
Kill had Baker Mayfield top five Earlier this week, Leach
reports got of cleaning.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Know what this looks like? A list the Big Lead
would have had.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
Oh wow, that's harsh. Not with me at the helm
Hell no, I mean listen, you know I don't think
much of the Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
That's that's as bad as that Time magazine one hundred
most influential people. Sixteen w NBA players. No, Katelyn r.
What is going on? Pat Stafford's not on the list?
Speaker 6 (28:37):
Yeah, that's embarrassing.
Speaker 5 (28:40):
What I like when you get fired up about something,
it's just it's just dismissing.
Speaker 6 (28:46):
It's like when somebody puts a plate of veal parme
ganre for you.
Speaker 5 (28:49):
And then get that out of your No thanks, that's
the disdain you just displayed.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
You. Are you done? Because I'm done with this list.
Speaker 6 (28:56):
I'll say that you don't want to do another minute
of it?
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Do you haven't our story? I thought?
Speaker 6 (29:00):
Justin Field said no I did.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
No, We're good, Jay Macklin.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
News, Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by
the herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Have you ordered flowers for Mother's Day? You might want
to get on that.
Speaker 6 (29:11):
You're not being serious?
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Are you do it this morning?
Speaker 6 (29:13):
Come on, bro, I did that like two weeks ago.
Speaker 5 (29:15):
And by the way, the slick move when you order
them offline, don't send them on Friday, Saturday, or Sunday
because that they jack up the price. Set them on Wednesday,
so the moms get them early in the week.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
You are aware of this, right, that's a horrible moment.
Speaker 5 (29:29):
What do you mean then they get to celebrate Mother's
Day for like four days with the flowers.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Okay, you're an answer Christmas in October. It really, it
really is an emotional nns. Come on, you give them
on Mother's Day.
Speaker 5 (29:44):
Okay, you want to pay the premium, like an extra
fifteen dollars.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
You literally are on television parl Living. Your wife's not
worth an extra fifteen dollars.
Speaker 6 (29:53):
Oh no, I'm sending it to the wife, the mom,
the mother in law. So now you're stay with.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Flowers, honey. I got a great summer vacation. Let's go
to let's listen, I mean let's go to Anchorage. I
mean at some point, you gotta pay for what you get. Yeah, okay,
go hang out with Caribou. You want to night summer vacation,
you gotta be the beach Cariboo. Well, I'm just saying
five days early on flowers.
Speaker 6 (30:21):
You don't think that's smart.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
I don't think. Maybe it's fiscally responsible, but it's not.
Sometimes you just gotta deliver, you know how.
Speaker 5 (30:32):
The mom's filling the timing matter seeing the flowers Wednesday, Thursday,
Friday leading up to Mother's Day.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
It's just great. There there is a not so fine
line between frugal and cheap. All right, Birthday present sixty
four days early doesn't feel the same Christmas November third does.
Speaker 6 (30:52):
Christmas is canceled. You can't reference that anymore.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
It's the third.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
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Speaker 1 (31:59):
Remember that movie Good Will. Our graphics team did it
for a pretty funny little graphic here on Jalen Brunson.
Here's Jalen Brown on being doubt oh two.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
To the Knicks being down oh two. It sucks, but
you know, we got a great group, and if I
have to select any guys that can get it done,
it's the group. It's the group that we have in
our locker room. We just got to come out be
a little bit more poised, you know, take a deep breath,
convert our opportunities. We missed the layups. Easy basket is, yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
I wish it was that easy. It's weird to see
a world champion look anxious. It's usually a young team.
I mean, I you watch these teams that have been around,
like Golden State, they don't look nervous at the end
of games. They look poised. They're getting good looks. Everybody's
engaged in the timeouts like you don't. Golden States never looks,
(32:52):
you know, nervous. Boston it's, you know, it's so collaborative.
Who's the guy they're all looking around at Tatum? Here's
Rick Buker earlier on Tatum's clear struggles in this series.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Doesn't have a go to spot. He doesn't have a
go to shot. He took fewer shots at the rim
this season than he ever has in his career, and
his mid range went down as well. What compensated for that,
he took nearly half of his shots from three point range.
So now we're looking at your go to guy, who
(33:25):
if his three point shot is not falling, which it
has not in this series, what's he going to.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
I also think the cheapest tickets right now for the
Knick Celtics at Madison Square Garden eight hundred dollars. The
most expensive tickets right now, fifty four thousand dollars. I
mean that that thing. It's gonna be the biggest basketball
game in New York in since the pat Riley era.
(33:53):
What was that nineties? Late what was it late nineties,
ninety eight, ninety nine, that fifty four thousand bucks for
a ticket? Jalen Clark playing? What is that?
Speaker 6 (34:05):
Can I push back? So that rip clip? He was like, hey,
Tatum took too many threes. I looked at Anthony Edwards numbers.
Speaker 5 (34:11):
Okay, Anthony Edwards more than half of his shots were
threes this season. Like, that's the new trend in the league.
That's what the coaches want. These guys cant shoot it out.
Edwards hit thirty nine percent from three this year. Tatum
only thirty four percent. Regress a little bit, I don't.
The consternation over Tatum is just puzzling. It's two games calling.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
That's it. No, it's here's what it is. You got
a kid, and he gets in trouble just a little
bit more than he should considering the family. And he
just when you thought he finally got it right, gets
kicked out of college or gets in another really ugly situation,
and you thought he knew better because he's getting older
(34:53):
and more mature, and he's now sort of in those
don't make dumb mistakes like we all have our kids
make mistake and then you know they go through stages
and then they graduate and they shouldn't make those mistakes
when they're twenty six. That they made it sixteen and
that we thought he was through this. He had his
best regular season and now we have to just own
(35:15):
and Steve kersaw it in Paris. This is who he is. Yeah,
he is a guy that gets anxious. He doesn't have
a stock, go to move and frankly, he is the
anti Brunson. One is work boots and one is leather loafers.
Speaker 5 (35:32):
I do like that analogy, the leather loafers. I know
you're a leather loafer guy. No not, I will say
regarding Tatum, he's gonna finish fourth in MVP voting.
Speaker 6 (35:42):
He will be fourth in he will be four years
in a row, first.
Speaker 5 (35:45):
Team All NBA, Like, I mean, we've got the data
of four seasons.
Speaker 6 (35:48):
He's a great, phenomenal player.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
Nobody's denying he is a great player. What we are
saying is there is a pattern, and people in the
building know it. Brad Stevens went and got Porzingis, and
he went and got Drew Halidy. Why did they get
rid of Marcus Smart? The reason they got rid of
Marcus Smart was Jalen Brown was taking the ball to
Tatum's hands when Marcus Smart started doing it, They're like,
(36:13):
whoa he would let Marcus Smart take let And then
finally Brad Stevens said, let's get a better version of
Marcus Smart who will understand his role. Drew Holliday and
Drew Holliday at like, you know, veteran Smart guys like
I'm not taking the ball to Tatum's hand late, like
Marcus Smart's like, I'm gonna eat two. So I mean
this The organization upstairs knows the dilemma.
Speaker 6 (36:34):
Okay, let me ask you.
Speaker 5 (36:36):
We talk about who number ones are in the NBA,
Like Lucas a one, Yokich is a one? Is Jason
Tatum for you right now? A one meaning Kenny be
the He's a.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
One, But I'll take Yokicch.
Speaker 6 (36:47):
I'll runs in a one.
Speaker 5 (36:49):
I think I have to come to terms with he is.
Is Haliburton the one, yes as he Cunningham. Yeah, yes,
so you keep cutting him in Haliburton. Yes, Brunson, I
don't know, no, no.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
No, no, I'm saying Brunson's not a traditional one, A
second round villanova guy, more hearts than talent, more heart
than talent. But I have to be honest here. There's there's,
there's the intangibles. He's a plus at those, and he's
he's B plus at talent. So he's a He's a one.
Speaker 6 (37:20):
So so, uh, Tatum is a one for you?
Speaker 1 (37:23):
Yeah, he's a one.
Speaker 6 (37:26):
Seem a little reluctant.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
He's a one. It is Devin Booker one. No, he's
a two, great too, could be the best two in
the league. A D's a two. Maybe he's the best
two in the league.
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