September 16, 2024 • 32 mins
Legendary Hall of Fame coach Jimmy Johnson joins The Herd to talk about the Cowboys and the NFL season so far
Thoughts on the Panthers benching QB Bryce Young
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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of life. Jimmy Johnson, two Super Bowl rings, Fox Sports
College National Championship. He's in better shape than me, and
that's discouraging for me to be honest with you. Let's
you know, it's easy to blame the Cowboys, or we
could look at the Saints and say new coordinator Kubiaks
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kid out of the San Francisco system, they had a
speed receiver. You know, we can just beat on the Cowboys.
Is it possible? Every year this league Jimmy gives us
a team. Last year it was Houston, and they catch
everybody off guard. Is New Orleans maybe just that team.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Well, I think New Orleans is very good. But you know, Colin,
I think early in the season, the first two or
three weeks, you know, it's hard to get a read
on some of these teams because they don't play. Nobody
plays in the preseason. The only teams that you can
really count on are the veteran teams that hadn't had
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any changes. Well, New Orleans is one of those teams.
You know, they're a veteran team and they didn't have
a whole lot of changes this all season. You look
at the Cowboys, they completely change their defensive scheme. Plus
they lost some good players, and so I think, you know,
let's let's give everybody two or three weeks before you
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really say, hey, they're good or they're bad. Now, there's
a couple of them that are bad and they're going
to stay bad, and there's a couple of them they're
pretty good and they're going to stay good. But mainly
the veteran team's the one you can count on.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
You know. I brought Matt hasselback on earlier, and he said,
you know, we can blame the Bear's old line, but
you can audible your way out of trouble. He's Caleb's
late on routes. I mean, Bill Belichick, your friend said,
I'm not impressed he's fifty percent in preseason against vanilla stuff.
Are you a little concerned about the accuracy and the
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kind of the managing of the game you see from
Caleb Williams, Well.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
I'm concerned here early because you don't want to get
him beat up. But I think he talked about the
same number of sex is what Troy Aikman did against
Philadelphia his first year. Yeah, I think Keo's got to understand,
but he's not going to be able to make a
great play, you know every time. Sometimes he's gonna have
to throw it away. But they can and once they
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get the receivers healthy, once the offensive line improves. Kaylen,
you know Caleb, you know him him understand to throw
the ball away occasionally.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Yeah, you know, Jimmy, either it's your Cowboys, Belichick's Patriots,
or Andy Reid's Chiefs. There are teams that don't necessarily
play great for three and a half hours, but damn
they're good late with two minutes left. They're really good. Situationally,
do I credit Andy Reid, Belichick, you Aikman, Brady. I
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watch Kansas City. They throw bad picks, you know, they
make mistakes, But in these high leverage moments, I'm watching Cincinnati, Buffalo.
You know, all these good teams beat themselves. Who do
I give that credit to in Kansas City?
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Well, I think the number one coaching aspect in professional football.
I say it time and time again, and Howie and
Michael Strahan get on my case that they've heard it before.
Success in the NFL is not who makes the most
great plays. It's who makes the fewest bad plays. And
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you look at a team that turns the ball over
a bunch. Hey, Kansas City nearly got beat because they
turned it over. But on the other side, you look
at Cincinnati. They had the stupid penalties that caused him
the game.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Yeah, you know, it's interesting. I don't know if you
have a relationship with Jim Harbaugh, but you are one
of the few coaches ever that could do it in
college and pro and they're totally different sensibilities. Even great
coaches like a Bill Parcells, I don't think he would
have worked in college. He wouldn't have dealt with the
boosters and the recruiting and the nonsense.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
I just don't think Bill would have done that stuff.
But so it's a very unique guy. Pete did it,
You did it. Harbaugh's done it. He's taken the the
same defense that was the worst in the league last year.
They've added almost nobody and they're the number one scoring defense.
Is it scheme? Is it culture? What is it?
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Well? You can play pretty good defense when you rush
for over two hundred yards running. Yeah, running the football
and keeping the football away from the opponent. An eight
night clockup is going to help your defense. When you're
throwing it every down, you know that defense is going
to have some struggles because they're going to be on
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the field a lot. Yeah, So I think it's got
to be complimentary football as far as your defense and
your offense, what you're doing scheme wise.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
I got to ask you about Tua. You know, I said,
if it was my son, I'd tell them to pack
it in. But then I think to myself, boy, I
wouldn't want, you know, if I was a quarterback, I
wouldn't want probably that to be my last play in
the NFL. What do you do? I mean, give me
a big picture view on your down there and the keys.
You're close to it. What do you do with the
Tuas situation?
Speaker 2 (06:08):
As far as my stance, if I was his coach,
I wouldn't say a word. I wouldn't want to influence him.
I wouldn't want to influence him to continue to play.
I wouldn't want to influence him to retire. This has
got to be Tua's decision, his family's decision, the neurologists,
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their decision. They've got to make that call because anything
that you might do to influence him you might regret
later on. So again, you know that's got his call,
and I wouldn't want to advise him either way.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Yeah, as you know, this quarter this league is funny, Jimmy.
If you voted for MVP today, you'd give it to
Derek Carr or Sam Darnold or Baker Mayfield. If the
league Gino Smith may you get to vote. What do
you make all these middle ing guys on their third
and fourteen crushing it? What do you make of it?
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Well, you know, I think especially with quarterbacks, you've got
to have the right coach you've got to have the
right supporting cast, and they've got to have some experience.
You can't give up on some of these talented quarterbacks.
That's this first year or two, or even for some
of them, three or four years. Everybody knew Sam Darnold.
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You know, he had talent coming out of college. He
turned the ball over a bunch in college, but he's
got talent. Baker Mayfield, he was the number one pick
for a reason. Again, they've got to get put in
the right situation, with the right coach, with the right
supporting cast. If they don't have a supporting cast, they're
not going to be able to show their talent. If
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they don't have the right coach, they're not going to
be able to show their talent. So it's got to
be a combination of the thing. And I think, you know,
I'm I'm happy to see the success of Baker Mayfield
because he's gone through some struggles. I'm happy to see
Donald had success. They're showing right now the talent that
they had when they were drafted hot.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
You know, Jimmy, you were able to in Dallas. I
want to circle back to them. Your Miami teams were glamorous,
and flashy, but they were tough. You took a lot
of two star recruits, built running games. You didn't have
great offensive lines. They were always harder to get your teams.
There was a glamour to him, but they didn't let
it go to their head. Your cowboy teams had glamour,
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but they were tough and physical. I'm a little worried
about Dallas last year, Week fifteen, they trailed Buffalo thirty
one to three. They get crushed by Green Bay. They
get run off the field yesterday. I'm okay with glamour,
but you can't. You got to be able to take
a punch. You know, you got to be able to
have a chin, Jimmy, aren't you. I'm a little concerned
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how often this team is just middle of the first quarter.
I don't they're not ready to compete. Isn't that a
little worrisome?
Speaker 2 (09:07):
I think, you know, Dallas is a unique situation because
they are so visible, They've got so many fans, They've
got so many people telling them how great they are. Yeah, uh,
that they don't develop that toughness and that, you know,
being able to overcome adversity type of thing, because you know,
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it's almost you know, they they've got the country club
type of life. Uh. And so that's why you've got
to have the type of coaches going to drill it
in them. You know. The one thing you know that
people don't realize, you know, all the glamor you talk
about the glamor of the Cowboys. When I was there,
we had the triplets. When and when anybody talks about
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those teams, they say, hey, you know you had Michael
and Emmett and Troy. Well, they don't even mention that
we led the NFL in total defense. We were number
one in defense one year, we were number two in
defense another year. Uh and so you know they didn't
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in fact, one year we led the league in defense
and didn't have a single Pro bowler.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
So you you look at New Orleans, you know, look
how they play defense. You know, they are a physical
football team, and they didn't even have one of their
best corners out there yesterday. So that allowed their offense
to do some things. And that's one reason why they're
going to be a dangerous team. They're a veteran group,
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and when you got Kamara, you know they're running back
to make the big plays. Derek Carr is an excellent
deep thrower. They had an excellent game plan. You notice
they didn't have a whole lot of just pure dropbacks. Yeah,
you know, that's what Dallas is strong at. Russian the
passer on the dropback passing game. All of it was
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play action. You know. Dallas didn't protect the perimeter. You know,
they've got to do some things to correct that defense,
and they'll do that. Zimmer's a good football coach. You
correct a lot of those things.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Jimmy as always. What a pleasure. That's a number one
defense with no Pro bowlers. That's something that's pretty good coaching.
You pat yourself in the back. That's pretty good coaching, Jimmy.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Right. Yeah. And now the next year, you know, Charles Halium,
few of them went to the Pro Bowl. But that
first year, none of them went to the Pro Bowl.
We led the league.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Good for you.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Good crazy. Everybody likes scoring, Colleen. They like those touchdowns.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Jimmy is always is great seeing you.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Okay, I'll go fishing. I'll catch one for you, all.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Right, Please do that, Please do it, by the way.
My u An added note to sort of what he
said about Dallas. There is a country club feel to it,
and it is hard. I always tell this story. So
I covered Oregon for years and they played at old
Dotson Stadium, and they had Rich Brooks and they were
a real physical team, not a lot of talent, decent
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quarterback player Dan Fouts obviously, And then they got a
new stadium and it was suddenly the stadium got a
little quieter. You know, it's a little more money. A
lot of the regular people couldn't afford to get the
good seats. The stadium got a little quieter, and they
got a little bougie with Phil Knight's money. Now they're
good now, but there was a transition for one or
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two years. You're like, oh, they got Oregon got country club,
they got soft And there is a line. Texas Longhorn
football's always been glamorous. Ohio State's great. I've never thought
of them as glamorous. They're just great. Alabama's great, They're
not glamorous. USC Texas feel like a little bit of
glam right and Dallas has that. But when Jimmy was there,
there was there's an innate toughness to it. I mean,
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the Yankees are always going to be the Dodgers, always
going to be kind of glamour franchises, but the great
Yankee teams. You go back to the Jorge Pasada, Bernie Williams,
Mariano Rivera. There was a toughness. They had brocious at third.
They were tough guys as well. So it does feel
like you you you punched the cowboys early. A lot
of times they fold up shop. They're not in it
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for the ten round fight.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
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Speaker 1 (13:19):
J Mark with the news.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
No, no, this is the Herd Line News.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Damn, that's harsh, am I I mean you punch them
in there laying down like yeah, that's hard.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
I mean they're soft.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
Michael Prson's is gonna have a field day on his podcast.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
I'm sorry, but they you can't. I keep saying this,
how many how many touchdowns to the Saint score? Standing up?
You're't even getting tackled.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
All right, Let's start with the breaking news.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Bryce Young, who mystifyingly went number one overall last year,
has been benched ahead of Week three. Tom Pelasarro adds
that Andy Dalton the red rifle will get the start
against the Raiders.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
The line, by the way, was seven with Bryce Young.
It went off the board. It's now reopened at five
and a half.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Lot respect for Andy Dalton. I don't know to put
him on. I was just digging up some Bryce Young stats. Here, Colin,
there's it's all bad. I almost feel bad reading all
this stuff. But eighteen career starts, he's two and sixteen,
eleven touchdowns in his career.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Listen, won't you the line of demarcation since the end
of the league. The line here is fifty nine percent
completion percentage. He was an accuracy guy. Here's the other thing.
So his first coach is Frank Wright. Frank Wright got
Carson Wentz to go twenty seven touchdown seven picks he
had Andrew Luck. Frank Wright got Andrew Luck to have
his most efficient season, Carson Wentz to have his most
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efficient season, and Philip Rivers to win eleven games. Could
move like a batting cage. Then he goes to Carolina
and basically Bryce can't play. Canallas saves Gino Smith's career,
reboots Baker's career, and he gives up after two games.
Speaker 5 (15:07):
Well, let's let me tide out, it's the Panther.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Oh, I mean this is come on, this is this
is it's over.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
It's not over.
Speaker 6 (15:15):
It's not.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
OK two, it feels over, but it's not. Like let's
just put this in perspective.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
They have played the Saints and the Chargers, who are
undefeated and looked like playoff team. The Panthers have three
hundred and fifty two yards on the season.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
Call three and fifty two.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
I mean that that is I don't know if you're
ready for a hot take, but what if we consider
would you consider trading Bryce Young?
Speaker 5 (15:40):
Or is it too early to.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Bail on him?
Speaker 3 (15:42):
And you're, well, you know, down in Miami here is
a quarterback with a concussion.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Now that but yeah, but I don't think that's the answer.
Speaker 5 (15:51):
I don't. I mean, Mike McDaniel's a really sharp offensive mind.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Dude, dude, Frank Wright, I get what he did with
Luck Wentzon Rivers and Canalis.
Speaker 5 (16:00):
I know you got five.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
I'm just coaches. Two coaches have saved five careers and
they're both they couldn't.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
I think the worst part is Sunday Canalis after the losses, like, yeah,
Bryce Young is our quarterback and then like watches the
tape overnight comes out, we got a bed you he
missed a lot of throws.
Speaker 5 (16:21):
I think they're two for twenty two on third down,
Like he just is not seeing the field. They're blitzing him.
It's just happening too fast.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
I think it's over for him as like a career,
But I don't think it's over as like a starter.
He's gonna get a couple more looks in Carolina, right,
kind of has to No, you think he's not playing
the rest of the year.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
I think, I mean, this is a bad team. What
happens if Andy Dalton comes in and they lose but
they're viable.
Speaker 5 (16:46):
They're probably gonna be viable this week, and they're gonna
be like, oh well, I.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Mean what if what if Andy Dalton and Gardner minshew,
it's twenty four to twenty three and you're like, we
got a chance to win these games. They're not even
they're not even competitive. They're third downs? What are they?
Two for twenty two? Not great, not great, that's just incompetent.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
So let's just we have to tie a bow on this, Colin.
How could anybody and not just the Panthers, but us
go to any of these guys who do draft stuff.
Almost everybody had Bryce Young as QB one coming out
in everybody did does nobody know how to identify quarterbacks? Well?
Speaker 1 (17:21):
No, No, First of all, I think identifying him is really hard,
very rare. About every six or seven years, I mean,
Trevor Lawrence, what's going on about every six or seven years,
you get a quarterback like Caleb feels like he's gonna
be able, He'll be fire.
Speaker 5 (17:35):
No, No, Colin, this is different. He's two and sixteen.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
No.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
I at no point as he looked like Baker had
some moments with the Browns. Okay, Daniel Jones had some
moments with the Giants. Everybody's had some a couple of
good games. Bryce Young has had nothing, literally zero in eighteen.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
I'm not sure he's had it. At the end of
last year, his passer rating was mid eighties, so he.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
Didn't lead in the fourth quarter for one second. Last year.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
There are only two wins came at the gun. I'm
just there's like no positive takeaways. How could we we
everybody including us, have missed somebody.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
How about this, if if you go to Miami and
say we'll save the season, we'll give you Bryce Young,
give us one of your receivers. Come not Tyreek, Killer Jayden.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
We'll give you a fifth rout pick at best. It's
just Carolina.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
It's a rough spot, all right, let's move on to
Oh let's go to Miami. So, after Tua was concussed Thursday,
his third or fourth depending on who you read, everybody
said Tua should retire.
Speaker 5 (18:31):
I said it myself. I think you said it. You
should seriously consider it.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Well.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Ian Rappaport said Tua's goals to get back on the
field and he has no interest in retiring from the NFL.
Tua is set to meet with a neurologist this week
before making any big decisions on his long term future.
Given that the league changed the concussion protocol and rules
and all that stuff for quarterbacks after Toua's situation, there's
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no way he's starting anytime soon.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
We would agree on that, right. Skyler Thompson's gonna be
the guy. You know, he's not the guy.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
They signed Tyler Huntley from the Ravens practice squad to
their active roster. So going from another team's practice squad
to your roster two is not playing this week. You
could just write that off. Tim Boyle was signed to
the Miami practice squad. We know he's a joker from
the Jets. Now come on, it's bad Colin. I'm gonna
float another name for you. We like these trade ideas
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and they rarely happen, but why not? So Justin Fields
continues to win in Pittsburgh, he's doing okay. Does Russell
Wilson say, hey, guys, you're not playing me? No, because
can you send me to Miami if they were interested? Well,
because Tua got the bag, so he's gonna be the starter.
Russell will be back to backing up.
Speaker 5 (19:40):
You're under the impression two is coming back anytime soon?
You think he is.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
I think he will come back in like week six?
Why then the season could be over. Skyler Thompson ain't
getting a win?
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Probably not. What's Miami schedule look like?
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Let's see if we can call it up here on
the screen. But like again, whether it's Tyler Huntley, Tim Boyle,
Skyler Thompson, none of these guys. And you know at
that point, Tiger Kell starts to get taken. Okay, so
they play at Seattle. That's an l that's a definitely one.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Tennessee goes either way. It's at home and then it's
New England and by so, I think he'll play in
week seven after the buy at Indy. That's when. And
what's their record?
Speaker 5 (20:14):
Are they zer in five?
Speaker 1 (20:16):
I think they beat Tennessee, but a lot of favorite
they won't beat Tennessee. Will Levis well love Is might
be the next guy based all right, final story, h
Colin to Detroit where the Lions listen.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
You know, I had the Lions right every which way
but loose, and they lost twenty to.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
Sixteen outright to the Bucks.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Here's the worst part. Dan Campbell, who everybody loves. We
rave about Dan Camble. He royally screwed up at the
end of the half a fire drill and they ended
up at the Tampa nine yard line. Didn't even get
the kickoff because they were penalized for too many men
on the field, so they clock runoff end of the half,
and the Lions fans are like, what the hell, Well,
here's Dan Campbell talking about it after the game.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Their coach cost.
Speaker 6 (21:02):
Him, Their head coach cost him this one. There's no
way to justify this. It's it's a it's a massive
error on my part and no one else's and it
was just between hurry upfield goal and clocking it and uh,
and it was one my fault.
Speaker 5 (21:20):
That's that's a good admission. I'm friendly with some Lions fans.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
You know, they're starved and everybody thinks, oh, it's a
super Bowl this year, they have been, in a word, disappointed.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Well, you and I look at Dan Campbell is an
incredibly relatable, likable figure. But I don't you know, we
all say I don't trust Mike McCarthy in big spots.
I don't trust Dan Campbell in big spots. I think
he's overly emotional. I understand coordinators, you know, going for
the point or the special teams.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Coach.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Hey, I want to get a block or a blitz
by an overly aggressive young d C. I want my
coach to be sort of the soothing voice. Dan coaches
like a coordinator trying to upgrade his resume. So sometimes
I don't I just don't think situationally McCarthy gets clobbered.
I trust him more than Dan Campbell, and I like
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Dan as a culture creator.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
Lions cards.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
To me, it's the second best game of the week
next week after Cowboys Ravens.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
I think that that Lion's Cardinals game is the interest
because it.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
My Overrea in Minnesota, Houston.
Speaker 5 (22:23):
That's a good game.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
That's a really good gay slate looks good.
Speaker 5 (22:26):
It's good because the college football slate is kind of
midh or.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Bellow out the college football season. The college football schedule
this week was mid.
Speaker 5 (22:33):
Yeah, nothing great. SEC, by the way, keeps continuing to stink. Sorry,
SEC fan stinks. Who all of them? Nobody's been impressive there?
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Well damn a crushed Wisconsant.
Speaker 5 (22:45):
Say her favored by like seventeen points. Yeah, see, damn Newton.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Georgia didn't look good.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
I think we got to rethink number one pick overall,
Carson Beck. I'm still waiting for it.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
No, no, no, I will be honest now Kentucky when I
watch I watched the first two and a half orders
Georgia's old line. Beck was under duress. So Kentucky had
good players in the box. They got they got dudes
up front. But he didn't look great. He didn't.
Speaker 5 (23:10):
He hasn't been like, oh there's three hundred.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
It's all the stuff. I mean, big he moves. He
has not looked special.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
You could check all the boxes you want. I need
to see it on the field, and I just haven't yet.
Maybe he'll show up, So I don't know the quarterback
situation like Shadure.
Speaker 5 (23:25):
How did he look against Colorado State?
Speaker 1 (23:27):
I am over that. Oh, wouldn't shake players hands like
shaduur has. I mean, honestly, I wonder if he's dropped
himself out of the first round. Wow. I mean, there's
a lot of stuff that's just red flags everywhere.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
And then who was the other guy? Quinn Ewers got
banged up over.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
The guys all bang on Riley Leonard at Notre Dame.
Speaker 5 (23:46):
No, he's not in the discussion for the top three rounds.
I don't think.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
So, Okay, let's make a little bet on that.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Oh, okay, I'll go No, Riley Leonard drafted top three rounds.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Oh, give me a break, top three rounds. These six '
five runs, he's got a Josh allen Field.
Speaker 5 (24:03):
Okay, GM Cowherd, go ahead draft him. See how that
works out.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Hey.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
I think he potential, but he's not not an early
run quarterback.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
I don't think.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
I'm telling you, I'm putting my steak in the ground
with the cam Ward Miami Hurricane. He's fun every time
I watch him. The guy's electric, he's fun, moves cleanly
in the pocket. No, nonfinite big arm.
Speaker 5 (24:22):
No, that's my guy. If I'm the jetson wee Crater,
I want me some cam Warden.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
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Speaker 1 (24:27):
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Speaker 4 (24:29):
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Speaker 1 (24:35):
Panthers coach Dave canal Is, speaking to reporters now, says
Bryce Young will be the number two quarterback behind Andy
on Sunday. The team doesn't plan to add another quarterback.
Andy gives us our best chance to win this week.
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Speaker 1 (26:04):
Just to give you an example of, you know, drafting
quarterbacks is really hard. Bryce Young was viewed as the
number one quarterback c J Stroud two through one year.
In a couple of games. Here's the comp Sorry for
the radio audience. But I mean it's not close. One
guy's a Pro Bowl level quarterback the other guy. And
for Stroud it's not just the winning part. Whereas Bryce
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Young's two and sixteen, c J. Stroud is eleven and six.
But what you really look is the quarterback rating is
one guy is just I mean c J. Stroud is
so effortlessly accurate. Last night was a bit of a
choppy game, but he made four or five big time
plays and he talked about it.
Speaker 9 (26:42):
After It's hard away NFL. I'm happy, of course, I'm
not satisfied. I'll never be satisfied. There's always things that
you can point out, so I'll definitely you know, understand,
you know we need to be better, but you know,
like like you said, winning is number one, so we
want and now it's time to move on and get better.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Yeah, I mean he just just jumps off the TV.
You know, it's funny watching Caleb Williams last night. There's
there's you know, who do you blame under duress? Forty
eight snaps, thirty six pressures. But it does point out
something that isn't discussed very often about being able to
audible out of pressure, being able to see and manipulate
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the defense, which is really hard for any quarterback but
virtually impossible for the young ones. But Caleb misses receivers
badly on a regular basis. Now again you're watching these tapes.
He's elusive, but he's there's just too much. Some of
these throws you just can't make in pro football. That
was one of them and missing guys by seven, eight
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nine yards. DJ Moore got very very frustrated. Matt Hasselback
earlier today, eighteen years as a pro quarterback. Here's what
he saw.
Speaker 10 (27:58):
If you're counting on a rookie quarterback to play well
this whole year, Like if you think this is your year,
it's not your year. I saw a guy throwing the
ball late. It's very easy to blame offensive line or
to blame scheme. But if I had to put money
somewhere and I have a rookie quarterback, I'm guessing that
the rookie quarterback didn't get his protection or his eyes
where they needed to be when people blitz, and I
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think that's that's definitely something you saw yesterday, was rookie
quarterback or gonna blitch you and see if you're ready
to go on the pass protection stuff, and clearly right
now it's still it looks like someone learning on the fly.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Yeah, Dimiko Ryans is not known for a lot of blitzes.
He didn't blitz I don't think much in the first series.
Then he brought the house and you saw it. So
I mean, listen it. Blitzing's hard. It's the thing about
blitzing a quarterback. Young ones are overwhelmed. Old ones manipulate you.
Brady loved when you blitzed. Mahomes loves when you blitz.
The young guys don't. They just can't slide protections. And
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there's a lot of opponents to this whole quarterback thing.
But I mean, what's funny is I'm watching CJ. Stroud
and that was a feisty game last night. I was
surprised it was that close. There were multiple times that
I thought I thought Houston was going to put them away,
and they just couldn't quite get it done. And Houston,
by the way, got a guy punching people on the sidelines.
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Houston looks like another team to me that would lose
to Kansas City because they'd beat themselves. They got the talent,
but a lot of their talent is a super young
Houston's very emotional, emotional teams and young teams. I mean
that dB last night for the Bengals. I think that
was like a rookie player, a late round guy for
Cincinnati that made that move the PI. I think, So
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there you go. But I got my Herd hierarchy. I
just filled it out. NFC is better.
Speaker 5 (29:48):
How are you doing that without the Eagles playing tonight.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Well, I'm waiting for them. If they're impressive, then they
make my top five. They're impressive, So I'm waiting for
the Eagles. I've got. But what's interesting is we said
this before the season that the last couple of years
the NFC has been down. You know, Aaron leaves the
NFC and know and all the quarterbacks and there's rebuilding.
If Minnesota is this good, if Arizona's this feisty, if
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the Saints are this good, NFC's got some teams.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
It's so early interesting stuff coming out on this Bryce
Young quarterback situation.
Speaker 5 (30:26):
So someone already looked at the last three quarterback classes.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Okay, the Caleb Williams class, the Bryce Young class, and
then the twenty twenty two, which was Kenny Pickett, was
the first quarterback ticket.
Speaker 5 (30:38):
This is staggering. I didn't believe. I didn't realize this.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
So there's only two quarterbacks from those three entire drafts
playing well right now.
Speaker 5 (30:46):
CJ strouds one. Do you want to guess the other one?
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Well, CJ's been excellent. It's tough. Give me a second.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
You need a hint.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
So the last three classes.
Speaker 5 (30:58):
Yes, I'll give he was not a first round pick.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Jalen hurts.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
No, he was a little older than that. It's Brock Perdy.
What is the symmetry between Stroud and Purdy? Brooke both
are in Shanahan offenses. The guy slowick goes it, brings
it to Houston, and Purdy thriving in San Francisco. So
the last so the NFL defenses have basically largely solved
every other offense in the league except Shanahan offenses to
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an extent. Obviously it's still early, but colin this quarterback play,
I'm just telling you the number of touchdown passes is
way down in the league. We're going to a defensive resurgence,
and if you don't have a running game right now,
like you're struggling to move on.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Steve Kaim said this Friday, the former Arizona Cardinal GM
I said, what what's the position? You just feel like
there's not enough talent? He went, offensive tackle. I mean
there's like four great ones in the league. I mean
the Chargers are the only team in the league with
two great tackles apparently. I mean there's there's teams with
two solid ones. I mean the Chargers looks like Later
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and an Alt are studs.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
We're gonna have to look at reallocating resources from wide
receiver and.
Speaker 5 (32:05):
Some of these other positions to offensive line.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
No, you have to do that. There is a I
mean the Rams yesterday did not have a playable left tackle.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
And then you want to go back to the twenty
one class. Trevor Lawrence went first, Colin, you said it,
what's his record?
Speaker 5 (32:17):
Twenty and thirty two.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Chiefs yesterday, they're struggling to tackle. The good teams are
struggling at tackle.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
Weird moment.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Ultimore Organization drafts, Well they're struggling to tackle. Well, Lonnie's dead, right,
I mean it's just it's tough. Yeah, see you tomorrow.
Speaker 6 (32:34):
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College National Championship. He's in better shape than me, and
that's discouraging for me to be honest with you. Let's
you know, it's easy to blame the Cowboys, or we
could look at the Saints and say new coordinator Kubiaks
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kid out of the San Francisco system, they had a
speed receiver. You know, we can just beat on the Cowboys.
Is it possible? Every year this league Jimmy gives us
a team. Last year it was Houston, and they catch
everybody off guard. Is New Orleans maybe just that team.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Well, I think New Orleans is very good. But you know, Colin,
I think early in the season, the first two or
three weeks, you know, it's hard to get a read
on some of these teams because they don't play. Nobody
plays in the preseason. The only teams that you can
really count on are the veteran teams that hadn't had
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any changes. Well, New Orleans is one of those teams.
You know, they're a veteran team and they didn't have
a whole lot of changes this all season. You look
at the Cowboys, they completely change their defensive scheme. Plus
they lost some good players, and so I think, you know,
let's let's give everybody two or three weeks before you
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really say, hey, they're good or they're bad. Now, there's
a couple of them that are bad and they're going
to stay bad, and there's a couple of them they're
pretty good and they're going to stay good. But mainly
the veteran team's the one you can count on.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
You know. I brought Matt hasselback on earlier, and he said,
you know, we can blame the Bear's old line, but
you can audible your way out of trouble. He's Caleb's
late on routes. I mean, Bill Belichick, your friend said,
I'm not impressed he's fifty percent in preseason against vanilla stuff.
Are you a little concerned about the accuracy and the
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kind of the managing of the game you see from
Caleb Williams, Well.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
I'm concerned here early because you don't want to get
him beat up. But I think he talked about the
same number of sex is what Troy Aikman did against
Philadelphia his first year. Yeah, I think Keo's got to understand,
but he's not going to be able to make a
great play, you know every time. Sometimes he's gonna have
to throw it away. But they can and once they
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get the receivers healthy, once the offensive line improves. Kaylen,
you know Caleb, you know him him understand to throw
the ball away occasionally.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Yeah, you know, Jimmy, either it's your Cowboys, Belichick's Patriots,
or Andy Reid's Chiefs. There are teams that don't necessarily
play great for three and a half hours, but damn
they're good late with two minutes left. They're really good. Situationally,
do I credit Andy Reid, Belichick, you Aikman, Brady. I
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watch Kansas City. They throw bad picks, you know, they
make mistakes, But in these high leverage moments, I'm watching Cincinnati, Buffalo.
You know, all these good teams beat themselves. Who do
I give that credit to in Kansas City?
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Well, I think the number one coaching aspect in professional football.
I say it time and time again, and Howie and
Michael Strahan get on my case that they've heard it before.
Success in the NFL is not who makes the most
great plays. It's who makes the fewest bad plays. And
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you look at a team that turns the ball over
a bunch. Hey, Kansas City nearly got beat because they
turned it over. But on the other side, you look
at Cincinnati. They had the stupid penalties that caused him
the game.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Yeah, you know, it's interesting. I don't know if you
have a relationship with Jim Harbaugh, but you are one
of the few coaches ever that could do it in
college and pro and they're totally different sensibilities. Even great
coaches like a Bill Parcells, I don't think he would
have worked in college. He wouldn't have dealt with the
boosters and the recruiting and the nonsense.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
I just don't think Bill would have done that stuff.
But so it's a very unique guy. Pete did it,
You did it. Harbaugh's done it. He's taken the the
same defense that was the worst in the league last year.
They've added almost nobody and they're the number one scoring defense.
Is it scheme? Is it culture? What is it?
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Well? You can play pretty good defense when you rush
for over two hundred yards running. Yeah, running the football
and keeping the football away from the opponent. An eight
night clockup is going to help your defense. When you're
throwing it every down, you know that defense is going
to have some struggles because they're going to be on
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the field a lot. Yeah, So I think it's got
to be complimentary football as far as your defense and
your offense, what you're doing scheme wise.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
I got to ask you about Tua. You know, I said,
if it was my son, I'd tell them to pack
it in. But then I think to myself, boy, I
wouldn't want, you know, if I was a quarterback, I
wouldn't want probably that to be my last play in
the NFL. What do you do? I mean, give me
a big picture view on your down there and the keys.
You're close to it. What do you do with the
Tuas situation?
Speaker 2 (06:08):
As far as my stance, if I was his coach,
I wouldn't say a word. I wouldn't want to influence him.
I wouldn't want to influence him to continue to play.
I wouldn't want to influence him to retire. This has
got to be Tua's decision, his family's decision, the neurologists,
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their decision. They've got to make that call because anything
that you might do to influence him you might regret
later on. So again, you know that's got his call,
and I wouldn't want to advise him either way.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Yeah, as you know, this quarter this league is funny, Jimmy.
If you voted for MVP today, you'd give it to
Derek Carr or Sam Darnold or Baker Mayfield. If the
league Gino Smith may you get to vote. What do
you make all these middle ing guys on their third
and fourteen crushing it? What do you make of it?
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Well, you know, I think especially with quarterbacks, you've got
to have the right coach you've got to have the
right supporting cast, and they've got to have some experience.
You can't give up on some of these talented quarterbacks.
That's this first year or two, or even for some
of them, three or four years. Everybody knew Sam Darnold.
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You know, he had talent coming out of college. He
turned the ball over a bunch in college, but he's
got talent. Baker Mayfield, he was the number one pick
for a reason. Again, they've got to get put in
the right situation, with the right coach, with the right
supporting cast. If they don't have a supporting cast, they're
not going to be able to show their talent. If
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they don't have the right coach, they're not going to
be able to show their talent. So it's got to
be a combination of the thing. And I think, you know,
I'm I'm happy to see the success of Baker Mayfield
because he's gone through some struggles. I'm happy to see
Donald had success. They're showing right now the talent that
they had when they were drafted hot.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
You know, Jimmy, you were able to in Dallas. I
want to circle back to them. Your Miami teams were glamorous,
and flashy, but they were tough. You took a lot
of two star recruits, built running games. You didn't have
great offensive lines. They were always harder to get your teams.
There was a glamour to him, but they didn't let
it go to their head. Your cowboy teams had glamour,
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but they were tough and physical. I'm a little worried
about Dallas last year, Week fifteen, they trailed Buffalo thirty
one to three. They get crushed by Green Bay. They
get run off the field yesterday. I'm okay with glamour,
but you can't. You got to be able to take
a punch. You know, you got to be able to
have a chin, Jimmy, aren't you. I'm a little concerned
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how often this team is just middle of the first quarter.
I don't they're not ready to compete. Isn't that a
little worrisome?
Speaker 2 (09:07):
I think, you know, Dallas is a unique situation because
they are so visible, They've got so many fans, They've
got so many people telling them how great they are. Yeah, uh,
that they don't develop that toughness and that, you know,
being able to overcome adversity type of thing, because you know,
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it's almost you know, they they've got the country club
type of life. Uh. And so that's why you've got
to have the type of coaches going to drill it
in them. You know. The one thing you know that
people don't realize, you know, all the glamor you talk
about the glamor of the Cowboys. When I was there,
we had the triplets. When and when anybody talks about
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those teams, they say, hey, you know you had Michael
and Emmett and Troy. Well, they don't even mention that
we led the NFL in total defense. We were number
one in defense one year, we were number two in
defense another year. Uh and so you know they didn't
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in fact, one year we led the league in defense
and didn't have a single Pro bowler.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
So you you look at New Orleans, you know, look
how they play defense. You know, they are a physical
football team, and they didn't even have one of their
best corners out there yesterday. So that allowed their offense
to do some things. And that's one reason why they're
going to be a dangerous team. They're a veteran group,
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and when you got Kamara, you know they're running back
to make the big plays. Derek Carr is an excellent
deep thrower. They had an excellent game plan. You notice
they didn't have a whole lot of just pure dropbacks. Yeah,
you know, that's what Dallas is strong at. Russian the
passer on the dropback passing game. All of it was
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play action. You know. Dallas didn't protect the perimeter. You know,
they've got to do some things to correct that defense,
and they'll do that. Zimmer's a good football coach. You
correct a lot of those things.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Jimmy as always. What a pleasure. That's a number one
defense with no Pro bowlers. That's something that's pretty good coaching.
You pat yourself in the back. That's pretty good coaching, Jimmy.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Right. Yeah. And now the next year, you know, Charles Halium,
few of them went to the Pro Bowl. But that
first year, none of them went to the Pro Bowl.
We led the league.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Good for you.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Good crazy. Everybody likes scoring, Colleen. They like those touchdowns.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Jimmy is always is great seeing you.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Okay, I'll go fishing. I'll catch one for you, all.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Right, Please do that, Please do it, by the way.
My u An added note to sort of what he
said about Dallas. There is a country club feel to it,
and it is hard. I always tell this story. So
I covered Oregon for years and they played at old
Dotson Stadium, and they had Rich Brooks and they were
a real physical team, not a lot of talent, decent
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quarterback player Dan Fouts obviously, And then they got a
new stadium and it was suddenly the stadium got a
little quieter. You know, it's a little more money. A
lot of the regular people couldn't afford to get the
good seats. The stadium got a little quieter, and they
got a little bougie with Phil Knight's money. Now they're
good now, but there was a transition for one or
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two years. You're like, oh, they got Oregon got country club,
they got soft And there is a line. Texas Longhorn
football's always been glamorous. Ohio State's great. I've never thought
of them as glamorous. They're just great. Alabama's great, They're
not glamorous. USC Texas feel like a little bit of
glam right and Dallas has that. But when Jimmy was there,
there was there's an innate toughness to it. I mean,
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the Yankees are always going to be the Dodgers, always
going to be kind of glamour franchises, but the great
Yankee teams. You go back to the Jorge Pasada, Bernie Williams,
Mariano Rivera. There was a toughness. They had brocious at third.
They were tough guys as well. So it does feel
like you you you punched the cowboys early. A lot
of times they fold up shop. They're not in it
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for the ten round fight.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
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Speaker 1 (13:19):
J Mark with the news.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
No, no, this is the Herd Line News.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Damn, that's harsh, am I I mean you punch them
in there laying down like yeah, that's hard.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
I mean they're soft.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
Michael Prson's is gonna have a field day on his podcast.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
I'm sorry, but they you can't. I keep saying this,
how many how many touchdowns to the Saint score? Standing up?
You're't even getting tackled.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
All right, Let's start with the breaking news.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Bryce Young, who mystifyingly went number one overall last year,
has been benched ahead of Week three. Tom Pelasarro adds
that Andy Dalton the red rifle will get the start
against the Raiders.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
The line, by the way, was seven with Bryce Young.
It went off the board. It's now reopened at five
and a half.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Lot respect for Andy Dalton. I don't know to put
him on. I was just digging up some Bryce Young stats. Here, Colin,
there's it's all bad. I almost feel bad reading all
this stuff. But eighteen career starts, he's two and sixteen,
eleven touchdowns in his career.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Listen, won't you the line of demarcation since the end
of the league. The line here is fifty nine percent
completion percentage. He was an accuracy guy. Here's the other thing.
So his first coach is Frank Wright. Frank Wright got
Carson Wentz to go twenty seven touchdown seven picks he
had Andrew Luck. Frank Wright got Andrew Luck to have
his most efficient season, Carson Wentz to have his most
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efficient season, and Philip Rivers to win eleven games. Could
move like a batting cage. Then he goes to Carolina
and basically Bryce can't play. Canallas saves Gino Smith's career,
reboots Baker's career, and he gives up after two games.
Speaker 5 (15:07):
Well, let's let me tide out, it's the Panther.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Oh, I mean this is come on, this is this
is it's over.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
It's not over.
Speaker 6 (15:15):
It's not.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
OK two, it feels over, but it's not. Like let's
just put this in perspective.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
They have played the Saints and the Chargers, who are
undefeated and looked like playoff team. The Panthers have three
hundred and fifty two yards on the season.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
Call three and fifty two.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
I mean that that is I don't know if you're
ready for a hot take, but what if we consider
would you consider trading Bryce Young?
Speaker 5 (15:40):
Or is it too early to.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Bail on him?
Speaker 3 (15:42):
And you're, well, you know, down in Miami here is
a quarterback with a concussion.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Now that but yeah, but I don't think that's the answer.
Speaker 5 (15:51):
I don't. I mean, Mike McDaniel's a really sharp offensive mind.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Dude, dude, Frank Wright, I get what he did with
Luck Wentzon Rivers and Canalis.
Speaker 5 (16:00):
I know you got five.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
I'm just coaches. Two coaches have saved five careers and
they're both they couldn't.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
I think the worst part is Sunday Canalis after the losses, like, yeah,
Bryce Young is our quarterback and then like watches the
tape overnight comes out, we got a bed you he
missed a lot of throws.
Speaker 5 (16:21):
I think they're two for twenty two on third down,
Like he just is not seeing the field. They're blitzing him.
It's just happening too fast.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
I think it's over for him as like a career,
But I don't think it's over as like a starter.
He's gonna get a couple more looks in Carolina, right,
kind of has to No, you think he's not playing
the rest of the year.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
I think, I mean, this is a bad team. What
happens if Andy Dalton comes in and they lose but
they're viable.
Speaker 5 (16:46):
They're probably gonna be viable this week, and they're gonna
be like, oh well, I.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Mean what if what if Andy Dalton and Gardner minshew,
it's twenty four to twenty three and you're like, we
got a chance to win these games. They're not even
they're not even competitive. They're third downs? What are they?
Two for twenty two? Not great, not great, that's just incompetent.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
So let's just we have to tie a bow on this, Colin.
How could anybody and not just the Panthers, but us
go to any of these guys who do draft stuff.
Almost everybody had Bryce Young as QB one coming out
in everybody did does nobody know how to identify quarterbacks? Well?
Speaker 1 (17:21):
No, No, First of all, I think identifying him is really hard,
very rare. About every six or seven years, I mean,
Trevor Lawrence, what's going on about every six or seven years,
you get a quarterback like Caleb feels like he's gonna
be able, He'll be fire.
Speaker 5 (17:35):
No, No, Colin, this is different. He's two and sixteen.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
No.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
I at no point as he looked like Baker had
some moments with the Browns. Okay, Daniel Jones had some
moments with the Giants. Everybody's had some a couple of
good games. Bryce Young has had nothing, literally zero in eighteen.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
I'm not sure he's had it. At the end of
last year, his passer rating was mid eighties, so he.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
Didn't lead in the fourth quarter for one second. Last year.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
There are only two wins came at the gun. I'm
just there's like no positive takeaways. How could we we
everybody including us, have missed somebody.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
How about this, if if you go to Miami and
say we'll save the season, we'll give you Bryce Young,
give us one of your receivers. Come not Tyreek, Killer Jayden.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
We'll give you a fifth rout pick at best. It's
just Carolina.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
It's a rough spot, all right, let's move on to
Oh let's go to Miami. So, after Tua was concussed Thursday,
his third or fourth depending on who you read, everybody
said Tua should retire.
Speaker 5 (18:31):
I said it myself. I think you said it. You
should seriously consider it.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Well.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Ian Rappaport said Tua's goals to get back on the
field and he has no interest in retiring from the NFL.
Tua is set to meet with a neurologist this week
before making any big decisions on his long term future.
Given that the league changed the concussion protocol and rules
and all that stuff for quarterbacks after Toua's situation, there's
(18:54):
no way he's starting anytime soon.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
We would agree on that, right. Skyler Thompson's gonna be
the guy. You know, he's not the guy.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
They signed Tyler Huntley from the Ravens practice squad to
their active roster. So going from another team's practice squad
to your roster two is not playing this week. You
could just write that off. Tim Boyle was signed to
the Miami practice squad. We know he's a joker from
the Jets. Now come on, it's bad Colin. I'm gonna
float another name for you. We like these trade ideas
(19:22):
and they rarely happen, but why not? So Justin Fields
continues to win in Pittsburgh, he's doing okay. Does Russell
Wilson say, hey, guys, you're not playing me? No, because
can you send me to Miami if they were interested? Well,
because Tua got the bag, so he's gonna be the starter.
Russell will be back to backing up.
Speaker 5 (19:40):
You're under the impression two is coming back anytime soon?
You think he is.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
I think he will come back in like week six?
Why then the season could be over. Skyler Thompson ain't
getting a win?
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Probably not. What's Miami schedule look like?
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Let's see if we can call it up here on
the screen. But like again, whether it's Tyler Huntley, Tim Boyle,
Skyler Thompson, none of these guys. And you know at
that point, Tiger Kell starts to get taken. Okay, so
they play at Seattle. That's an l that's a definitely one.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Tennessee goes either way. It's at home and then it's
New England and by so, I think he'll play in
week seven after the buy at Indy. That's when. And
what's their record?
Speaker 5 (20:14):
Are they zer in five?
Speaker 1 (20:16):
I think they beat Tennessee, but a lot of favorite
they won't beat Tennessee. Will Levis well love Is might
be the next guy based all right, final story, h
Colin to Detroit where the Lions listen.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
You know, I had the Lions right every which way
but loose, and they lost twenty to.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
Sixteen outright to the Bucks.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Here's the worst part. Dan Campbell, who everybody loves. We
rave about Dan Camble. He royally screwed up at the
end of the half a fire drill and they ended
up at the Tampa nine yard line. Didn't even get
the kickoff because they were penalized for too many men
on the field, so they clock runoff end of the half,
and the Lions fans are like, what the hell, Well,
here's Dan Campbell talking about it after the game.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Their coach cost.
Speaker 6 (21:02):
Him, Their head coach cost him this one. There's no
way to justify this. It's it's a it's a massive
error on my part and no one else's and it
was just between hurry upfield goal and clocking it and uh,
and it was one my fault.
Speaker 5 (21:20):
That's that's a good admission. I'm friendly with some Lions fans.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
You know, they're starved and everybody thinks, oh, it's a
super Bowl this year, they have been, in a word, disappointed.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Well, you and I look at Dan Campbell is an
incredibly relatable, likable figure. But I don't you know, we
all say I don't trust Mike McCarthy in big spots.
I don't trust Dan Campbell in big spots. I think
he's overly emotional. I understand coordinators, you know, going for
the point or the special teams.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Coach.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Hey, I want to get a block or a blitz
by an overly aggressive young d C. I want my
coach to be sort of the soothing voice. Dan coaches
like a coordinator trying to upgrade his resume. So sometimes
I don't I just don't think situationally McCarthy gets clobbered.
I trust him more than Dan Campbell, and I like
(22:10):
Dan as a culture creator.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
Lions cards.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
To me, it's the second best game of the week
next week after Cowboys Ravens.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
I think that that Lion's Cardinals game is the interest
because it.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
My Overrea in Minnesota, Houston.
Speaker 5 (22:23):
That's a good game.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
That's a really good gay slate looks good.
Speaker 5 (22:26):
It's good because the college football slate is kind of
midh or.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Bellow out the college football season. The college football schedule
this week was mid.
Speaker 5 (22:33):
Yeah, nothing great. SEC, by the way, keeps continuing to stink. Sorry,
SEC fan stinks. Who all of them? Nobody's been impressive there?
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Well damn a crushed Wisconsant.
Speaker 5 (22:45):
Say her favored by like seventeen points. Yeah, see, damn Newton.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Georgia didn't look good.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
I think we got to rethink number one pick overall,
Carson Beck. I'm still waiting for it.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
No, no, no, I will be honest now Kentucky when I
watch I watched the first two and a half orders
Georgia's old line. Beck was under duress. So Kentucky had
good players in the box. They got they got dudes
up front. But he didn't look great. He didn't.
Speaker 5 (23:10):
He hasn't been like, oh there's three hundred.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
It's all the stuff. I mean, big he moves. He
has not looked special.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
You could check all the boxes you want. I need
to see it on the field, and I just haven't yet.
Maybe he'll show up, So I don't know the quarterback
situation like Shadure.
Speaker 5 (23:25):
How did he look against Colorado State?
Speaker 1 (23:27):
I am over that. Oh, wouldn't shake players hands like
shaduur has. I mean, honestly, I wonder if he's dropped
himself out of the first round. Wow. I mean, there's
a lot of stuff that's just red flags everywhere.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
And then who was the other guy? Quinn Ewers got
banged up over.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
The guys all bang on Riley Leonard at Notre Dame.
Speaker 5 (23:46):
No, he's not in the discussion for the top three rounds.
I don't think.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
So, Okay, let's make a little bet on that.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Oh, okay, I'll go No, Riley Leonard drafted top three rounds.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Oh, give me a break, top three rounds. These six '
five runs, he's got a Josh allen Field.
Speaker 5 (24:03):
Okay, GM Cowherd, go ahead draft him. See how that
works out.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Hey.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
I think he potential, but he's not not an early
run quarterback.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
I don't think.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
I'm telling you, I'm putting my steak in the ground
with the cam Ward Miami Hurricane. He's fun every time
I watch him. The guy's electric, he's fun, moves cleanly
in the pocket. No, nonfinite big arm.
Speaker 5 (24:22):
No, that's my guy. If I'm the jetson wee Crater,
I want me some cam Warden.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
You all right?
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Jmack with the news.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The
Herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Panthers coach Dave canal Is, speaking to reporters now, says
Bryce Young will be the number two quarterback behind Andy
on Sunday. The team doesn't plan to add another quarterback.
Andy gives us our best chance to win this week.
That ain't good. Live at LA, It's the Hurt.
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Speaker 1 (26:04):
Just to give you an example of, you know, drafting
quarterbacks is really hard. Bryce Young was viewed as the
number one quarterback c J Stroud two through one year.
In a couple of games. Here's the comp Sorry for
the radio audience. But I mean it's not close. One
guy's a Pro Bowl level quarterback the other guy. And
for Stroud it's not just the winning part. Whereas Bryce
(26:26):
Young's two and sixteen, c J. Stroud is eleven and six.
But what you really look is the quarterback rating is
one guy is just I mean c J. Stroud is
so effortlessly accurate. Last night was a bit of a
choppy game, but he made four or five big time
plays and he talked about it.
Speaker 9 (26:42):
After It's hard away NFL. I'm happy, of course, I'm
not satisfied. I'll never be satisfied. There's always things that
you can point out, so I'll definitely you know, understand,
you know we need to be better, but you know,
like like you said, winning is number one, so we
want and now it's time to move on and get better.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Yeah, I mean he just just jumps off the TV.
You know, it's funny watching Caleb Williams last night. There's
there's you know, who do you blame under duress? Forty
eight snaps, thirty six pressures. But it does point out
something that isn't discussed very often about being able to
audible out of pressure, being able to see and manipulate
(27:26):
the defense, which is really hard for any quarterback but
virtually impossible for the young ones. But Caleb misses receivers
badly on a regular basis. Now again you're watching these tapes.
He's elusive, but he's there's just too much. Some of
these throws you just can't make in pro football. That
was one of them and missing guys by seven, eight
(27:47):
nine yards. DJ Moore got very very frustrated. Matt Hasselback
earlier today, eighteen years as a pro quarterback. Here's what
he saw.
Speaker 10 (27:58):
If you're counting on a rookie quarterback to play well
this whole year, Like if you think this is your year,
it's not your year. I saw a guy throwing the
ball late. It's very easy to blame offensive line or
to blame scheme. But if I had to put money
somewhere and I have a rookie quarterback, I'm guessing that
the rookie quarterback didn't get his protection or his eyes
where they needed to be when people blitz, and I
(28:20):
think that's that's definitely something you saw yesterday, was rookie
quarterback or gonna blitch you and see if you're ready
to go on the pass protection stuff, and clearly right
now it's still it looks like someone learning on the fly.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Yeah, Dimiko Ryans is not known for a lot of blitzes.
He didn't blitz I don't think much in the first series.
Then he brought the house and you saw it. So
I mean, listen it. Blitzing's hard. It's the thing about
blitzing a quarterback. Young ones are overwhelmed. Old ones manipulate you.
Brady loved when you blitzed. Mahomes loves when you blitz.
The young guys don't. They just can't slide protections. And
(28:59):
there's a lot of opponents to this whole quarterback thing.
But I mean, what's funny is I'm watching CJ. Stroud
and that was a feisty game last night. I was
surprised it was that close. There were multiple times that
I thought I thought Houston was going to put them away,
and they just couldn't quite get it done. And Houston,
by the way, got a guy punching people on the sidelines.
(29:19):
Houston looks like another team to me that would lose
to Kansas City because they'd beat themselves. They got the talent,
but a lot of their talent is a super young
Houston's very emotional, emotional teams and young teams. I mean
that dB last night for the Bengals. I think that
was like a rookie player, a late round guy for
Cincinnati that made that move the PI. I think, So
(29:42):
there you go. But I got my Herd hierarchy. I
just filled it out. NFC is better.
Speaker 5 (29:48):
How are you doing that without the Eagles playing tonight.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Well, I'm waiting for them. If they're impressive, then they
make my top five. They're impressive, So I'm waiting for
the Eagles. I've got. But what's interesting is we said
this before the season that the last couple of years
the NFC has been down. You know, Aaron leaves the
NFC and know and all the quarterbacks and there's rebuilding.
If Minnesota is this good, if Arizona's this feisty, if
(30:16):
the Saints are this good, NFC's got some teams.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
It's so early interesting stuff coming out on this Bryce
Young quarterback situation.
Speaker 5 (30:26):
So someone already looked at the last three quarterback classes.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Okay, the Caleb Williams class, the Bryce Young class, and
then the twenty twenty two, which was Kenny Pickett, was
the first quarterback ticket.
Speaker 5 (30:38):
This is staggering. I didn't believe. I didn't realize this.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
So there's only two quarterbacks from those three entire drafts
playing well right now.
Speaker 5 (30:46):
CJ strouds one. Do you want to guess the other one?
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Well, CJ's been excellent. It's tough. Give me a second.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
You need a hint.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
So the last three classes.
Speaker 5 (30:58):
Yes, I'll give he was not a first round pick.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Jalen hurts.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
No, he was a little older than that. It's Brock Perdy.
What is the symmetry between Stroud and Purdy? Brooke both
are in Shanahan offenses. The guy slowick goes it, brings
it to Houston, and Purdy thriving in San Francisco. So
the last so the NFL defenses have basically largely solved
every other offense in the league except Shanahan offenses to
(31:26):
an extent. Obviously it's still early, but colin this quarterback play,
I'm just telling you the number of touchdown passes is
way down in the league. We're going to a defensive resurgence,
and if you don't have a running game right now,
like you're struggling to move on.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Steve Kaim said this Friday, the former Arizona Cardinal GM
I said, what what's the position? You just feel like
there's not enough talent? He went, offensive tackle. I mean
there's like four great ones in the league. I mean
the Chargers are the only team in the league with
two great tackles apparently. I mean there's there's teams with
two solid ones. I mean the Chargers looks like Later
(32:00):
and an Alt are studs.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
We're gonna have to look at reallocating resources from wide
receiver and.
Speaker 5 (32:05):
Some of these other positions to offensive line.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
No, you have to do that. There is a I
mean the Rams yesterday did not have a playable left tackle.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
And then you want to go back to the twenty
one class. Trevor Lawrence went first, Colin, you said it,
what's his record?
Speaker 5 (32:17):
Twenty and thirty two.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Chiefs yesterday, they're struggling to tackle. The good teams are
struggling at tackle.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
Weird moment.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Ultimore Organization drafts, Well they're struggling to tackle. Well, Lonnie's dead, right,
I mean it's just it's tough. Yeah, see you tomorrow.
Speaker 6 (32:34):
I heard
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