October 10, 2024 • 32 mins
3-time Super Bowl champion Julian Edelman joins the show in studio to explain why Bill Belichick is not a candidate for the Jets head coaching position
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
Twelve years, three rings, MVP of a Super Bowl. Third
most receiving yards and catches in NFL playoff history. Julian Edelman, who,
by the way, NFL kickoff on Fox That is always
Sunday at eleven Eastern on our network here. So let's
just dive into the Jets. So one of the advantages
you guys always had in New England is there was
always so much turmoil in the teams in your division.
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Miami was revolving door jets with coaches. Buffalo blessed their
heart until they got Josh Allen. They were given the
go team effort. But again, you were in a division
without continuity, and you had no and butt continuity. I
am not a fan of a team. I always watched
two things for a coach is a team playing hard. Yeah,
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they didn't quit yeah, and where are you. Well, if
the Jets win Monday, they're in first place. If you
want to fire Sawa on a six game losing streak
and the team's quit. But didn't it feel a little rushed?
Speaker 2 (01:21):
It did, But it doesn't surprise me. It's the Jets.
You know, we all knew Sala was on the hot seat.
The only thing that surprised me they did this early.
But I could vividly remember we were in a two
game skit a couple times in my career and Belichick
would always say the same thing, Fellas, we need to
make changes. This is a production business, you know. This
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isn't for feelings, This isn't for your family. This is
a result business. And if you look at the results
for the last three years, I mean, they haven't been
very good. And to not have a plan last year,
I think that this stems from last year's not having
a backup quarterback plan and thinking Aaron's our savior. This
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a national football league. If you go out and think
that one guy is gonna make your team drastically different,
it doesn't happen like that, and it does in certain cases,
But like thirty eight year old guy not playing his
best coming into a different situation. I think there's a
lot of things that stem to why this decision was made.
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You know, the Cadence talk and how to deal with Aaron.
He's a franchise quarterback. It was crazy. I'm doing some
prep for my podcast Games with Names, and we're doing
the twenty fourteen Packers game against Seattle Rush. We'll rushed
through five interceptions and the defense had too. You know
that game. I'm sitting there watching Aaron Rodgers. He had
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a Caden's touchdown. I mean, that's what he does. And
so I think there's so many outside noises that the
outside people heard that. I think the Johnson family just
got fed up.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Saw Adam Schefter had pointed out he said he thought
New York got to Sala. Now Boston is also Boston.
Philly and New York are loud, aggressive medias out here.
We're pretty toothless.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
It's la.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
We're in a good move. We don't even honk when
you cut us off on traffic. Boston. Did you were
there ever? Times could have been Spygate. Were there ever
times with the noise outside the building like you did
hear it and feel it?
Speaker 2 (03:27):
No, because we had such strong leadership and that comes
from Bill and tom U, the two craziest compartmentalizers I've
ever met in my life. I mean they were always
the same. Like Bill, Yeah, was he an a hole, Yeah,
but that's how he always was. Brady. Was he just
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always laser focused. Yeah. He could have something going on
outside his life, he could have something going on with
the team, there could be a trade. He was the
same guy. And that's where it starts from. That outside
noise dealt with through the leadership of your team.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Did when you guys looked at the Jets, I mean
they had the sand chest team. When they had a
good left tackle, good defense, was a hell of a
game there. But a lot of times did you look
at other teams like you go into town, here come
the Patriots, whether you just won a Super Bowl or not,
it was always the standard. And did you, like ever
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look at other teams? Even in warm up so cut,
you fly in, you look at the facility, you look
at everything.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
To yourself, it's a circus. Not in the game. I
never felt that in a game because Bill was very
good at keeping us focused on what we had to
do to go out and win the game. But I
did feel those kind of those feelings when we would
have joint practices and saw how behind the scenes were
how teams practiced, the intensity of their practices, that's when
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I would see, you know, like, oh, yeah, this team's
not gonna be very good this year. Really yeah, in
a joint practice, joint practic, that's where you get to
see where the team's made up from. You know, we
see the product on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
You want to give any specific nah, I don't.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Want to throw any teams under the bus, but there
was a few where you know, you go out there
and they're hamming egging it. It's just we got water
breaks every two seconds. I mean, just soft just.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Saw this show has never had a water break.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
I won't I won't allow it. I know you know
that it gets hot in certain places, but we got
a ten minute water break where we were sitting doing
like one on ones as a different team because we
had to sit.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
You know.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
It was just that's when you can really see what
a team is is through how they prepare, through how
they practice the intensity of their practice. That's why you
hear so many great things about the great teams. You
look at Kansas City, what's everyone here about that camp.
They're working their tails.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Up practices and hips.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
He hits because those linemen need to hit, you know,
That's what I always felt. I can see a difference
in organization. That's funny.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Davante Adams, Saints, Steelers, Bills, Jets. Let's say you're a receiver.
Obviously quarterback matters. What else matters when you're potentially looking
at other places, I.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Would say quarterback is number one thing. Can he deliver
you the ball? And then also having other pieces. You know,
with the Bills, they have Shakir who's been developing into
a cool, awesome little slot guy, which is like that
Beasley role that they they've been missing for a few years.
Kinkaid he needs to get rolling, but he's had production. Yeah,
I think it's very attractive place for a big time
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receiver to come in and not take necessarily all the
eyes away from the other pieces, but be able to
go in and make key plays on key situations. I
think that would be a great fit for DeVante. I
don't think it's a great fit for the Bills though.
Why is that? You know, they just got out of
the same situation when they got digs to you know,
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they traded digs and digs out, and we saw in
the first two weeks how well Josh Allen played when
he didn't feel the weight of having to throw to someone. Yeah.
Now these last couple of weeks where they've lost a
couple of games, I think two pass happy Joe Brady
needs to get back to the run, get Cooks more involved,
and take the load off of Josh Allen and make
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him throw situationally.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Now, how do you think they changed it?
Speaker 4 (07:26):
Had to?
Speaker 2 (07:26):
You know, they've gotten into a deficit, a ten point deficit,
and a lot of times offensive coordinators they panic and
they change up their game plans completely because they're down seven,
they're down ten, but you know, there's there's still three
quarters of the game left, you know, and what are
you just going to change your whole game plan and
all the things that the whole team's confident running. Now
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we're going back to other things, a drop back pass
game where we haven't necessarily practiced a bunch. So I
just think that offensive coordinators sometimes panic when they get
a deficit and fall and run away from the run.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
You guys didn't trail a lot, but you had your moments.
Ye go to a big game, because there is that
line in the sand Julian from let's not panic to
oh crap, this isn't working.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Go to a big game.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Maybe it's the Ravens, maybe that you do have to say, guys,
we're gonna move a little off our game plan. Or
is that a halftime decision.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
It's probably a halftime decision. I mean, it's still I
mean the game is adjusting to the adjustments. That's what
a football game is, you know. That's why you look
at a lot of these West Coast teams that have
their script and they go out and they have a
twenty five play script and they look great, and then
the second half comes when they have to make when
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they have to make adjustments to the defense, adjustments that
they made to their game plan. A lot of times
they dwindle out. And we've seen a lot of these
West Coast systems, you know, have trouble with that four
minute offense when they have a lead because they run
out of plays. You know, specifically for US, I think
in the twenty eight to twenty eight to three game
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against Atlanta, we were down a lot, we still ran
the ball, though. I mean you look at James White
and we may have replaced runs with passes to the
running game, but that was a huge part of our system.
We didn't necessarily change it right away. What we all
talked about doing was, you're not going to win the
game in one play. Let's kind of just focus on
what we planned all week and continue to do that,
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and then we get it to halftime, and then we'll
make a change if we have to when all the
coaches can talk.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
You know, we were talking circle back to the Jets
about Belichick fitting with the Jets and the one thing,
and Bill got criticism for it, but Bill understood the
circus that was the Jets, and he you know, when
he worked for the Giants, it was such a class
organization that in the building, I always imagined Parcels and
Belichick making fun of the Jets, like looking at him,
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going what a circus? Well then Bill goes over there,
you know, part cells. But I just don't think that
organ I think firing Sola, in my opinion, is such
a turn off to good coaches. I think coaches there
is a community or a fraternity. You don't want a
guy's a stiff. But like the Raybels and the Belichicks,
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the guy. I think they look at the Jets and
probably go, Hell's that.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Jets do have a really good defense, and those are
two real defensive, happy head coaches. I'm telling you, Like Bill,
if you listen to him talk about mose Lee and
and the whole defense a front for the Jets, he
likes that. Oh no, he loves that team.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Is Rabel a good fit? You know him?
Speaker 2 (10:43):
I love ravesman, I don't. I just I can never
see those two. We never liked the Jets. I'm sorry you, Mac,
That's okay. We've like it was always exactly what you said.
We would look at the Jets and say, now, they
did have a few teams with Rex that you know,
we were fourteen to two, smoke them three weeks before
go to the division round. They smoked us. They beat
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us a couple times like that. But like you could,
always that was always a hiccup, right, you know what
I mean? That was always a blip in the radar
that was unpredictable. I just I can't even come up
with a thought because I'm thinking about if Rabel or
Bill went to the Jets. So I have no doesn't
feel it just doesn't feel right, Okay.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
So on Monday night, it felt a little bit like it.
Remember when Kevin Durant went to the Warriors and they
were already good, and there were nights that they it
felt like they were showing off. Yeah, they were kind
of playing. They were playing with the league, and I
felt Monday night standalone game, Taylor Swift is there laterals.
I mean I felt like Kansas City was sort of flexing. Yeah,
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that was like, We're gonna put on a little show tonight.
I never thought you guys played like that. Now. The
Randy Mosh years were crazy because nobody could guard Randy.
But I do feel like there's a little warrior. Not
all championship teams are the same, y, Yeah, but the
Michael Jordan teams ello flair. Are you cool with the
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fact that sometimes it does look like Kansas City is
flexing a little bit on these standalone games. I mean
the reversus laterals, like four or five of them.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
I mean, that's a huge part of what they've always done,
you know, they're they've always been very innovative with the pitches.
I mean, I think trav did this two weeks ago,
didn't he in a third and long situation?
Speaker 1 (12:27):
And he was on the show. He said, we didn't
practice everything.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
And they're always inventing something. They're very collaborative with allowing
players to come up with plays, and that's very different
than what we were. Like there was probably Tom and
you know Josh are the only ones kind of doing that.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Would you guys go into a game with like one
trick play.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
We'd have trick plays all the time. It's just we
would save that one trick play for when we need
it and when we developed the tendency for when people
were thinking that trick play wasn't coming. Okay, so everything
was calculated.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
How when the trick I always think about this, This
is weird. The trick play comes in and you have
to act like nothing's changed.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Yeah, is that hard? I remember specifically, on the one
of the double passes the one Avens game, Josh came
up to me. He goes, hey, do I need to
give you some lee time? I'm like no, Why? He goes,
we gonna take off your glove or something like or
excuse me, okay, but we can't take off our glove.
That'll show that we're doing something. Uh so your heartbeat
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gets up.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
But didn't you go practice on the sideline.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
I would always so before that, I would always catch
balls from Tom and I'd warm them up before the drive.
And so before that drive, that's when I would sit
there and I'd get warmed up. And I'm kind of
getting money. You're just casual, casual, But I was sitting
there slinging that thing, getting that thing warm. But we
didn't necessarily need a lot of lee time going into
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a trick play because we practice so much. But getting
back to the Kansas City Chiefs, that's what they do.
They're very innovative. But the more impressive thing is how
great their offensive line is playing right now. You look
at Hunt comes in and gets one hundred yards a touchdown.
You just miss Schuster's hundred and something yards and a touchdown.
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And that's what having continuity with the offensive line, quarterback
and that one skill position player Travis does. It shows
everyone else like, hey, guys, you need to get on
the speed of us because this is how we play.
We need juju. You need to make a play on
a third down for us when they've got four guys on.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
That's all you have to do.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
That's all you have to do. Hunt first and second down.
You need to get us three to six yards, get
us four yards a run, get us four yards a run,
keep us in third and manageable so we don't have
to do our little trick pass where Travis is doing
a third and seventeen throw lateral play like that's what
it's so impressive watching them. There's such a complimentary football
team too, and their defense is playing lights out. Beach
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your You gotta tip your cap to him and Andy
Reid being on such a cohesive page of developing their
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Speaker 1 (15:27):
App Okay Bo Nick Sean Payton had an incident, Brady
Bill O'Brien had an incident. When it happens and you're
close to it, is it odd? Do you go buddy
up to Tom? If you saw Tom go nuts on
a coach and you're like three players away, do you
say anything?
Speaker 2 (15:46):
You don't touch the smoking gun. You just don't touch
a smoking gun. You go back and you sit on
the bench, and you look at your buddy and you say,
you see that, that's what we used to do. But
you don't know because we all knew. You know, Brady
played better pissed off, and that was the he liked that.
I liked it with Sean Payton and Bonicks because I mean,
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we saw a lot of this last year with Russell
and we never saw Russell bark back, you know, And
I think that specific situation, right.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Look at Brady, he is ticked off.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Taekwon oh man.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Look at that he is throwing dishes. Oh yeah, that
kitchen is getting there at Chatty.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Oh trying to back them up, Phil to shut up,
like that's funny. There's gronk. Yeah. But when that happens,
you you kind of let the player and the coach
who's that that's going with you, let them handle that.
But to go back to Denver and Bow and Peyton,
you know, I don't know Peyton that well. I've we've
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crossed pass. I like him a lot. I think you know,
he's a he's an alpha guy, yes, and he gets
turned on when a guy does that to him, especially
if if the kid came out and corrected, which I
I I guarantee, bo Nix doesn't look like a guy
that's gonna argue something that's wrong. It was probably a
coaching point that you know, Sean said to him, and
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he goes, well, this is what you said, Well look
at the coach Nicks and you know, and that's that's
where that's where it goes, you know, and and sometimes
you need a little bit that that's that's a growing
up step for a young quarterback. If he's right, if
he's right, if he's going to go do that on
something that has nothing to do with the team or
has nothing to do with you know, if it has
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something to do with his individual performance or of individual
play calling. Thing that like that, I don't think that's okay.
But it didn't seem like bow Knicks had a malicious intent.
He was probably like defending his territory, defending.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Drew Brees came on the show and said, Shawn's very
particular on stuff. Run to the short side.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
He gets a.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Certain hash in angles. Yeah, like he he gets very particular.
And what bo Nix is saying is probably, yeah, we
did it right, you know, yeah, hit defending his turf.
I get it. That Brady video is intense.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Yeah, that was That was a fun time.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
And we were in Washington, d C.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Or was it DC that was against DC the former
Redskins now the Commanders.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Yeah, and you remember the game.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Oh, I was playing defense. I was playing defense on
that game, I believe, really, yeah, it was really any good.
I don't remember. Yes, I was sack or a pick
or anything. I had a couple. You know, I'm jam
guys line of scrimmage and hold them for as long
as I could for five yards. Awesome, Great, see anybody.
Great to see you guys.
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Speaker 1 (19:19):
I like Chicago two game. You're not a heater until
you won three stroke.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
Like Chicago's a city or the Bears this weekend, and.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
I like them both, love it as a city and this.
I don't love them because it's London, which is wonky.
But I will say favorites do very well in these
I don't even know why in these overseas game all
favorites do well on Thursday night. It's just a better team,
less time for tricks.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
Are the Bears that much better than the jackson Sure?
I know the Jacks have been great, but are the
Bears great?
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Well? Well, here's what I stopped out the Panthers that Eberflus.
Here's what I know is an excellent defensive coach like
Robert Sola. Do you know your side of the ball.
Eberflus is excellent, so with Sala. Here's what I don't
know about Jacksonville. Is anybody excellent?
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Trevor Lawrence?
Speaker 1 (20:08):
What side of the ball do you go?
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Excellent?
Speaker 1 (20:10):
They can't stop anybody. Offense has been inefficient. The Bears,
unlike last two weeks. They're an efficient offense with no turnovers,
and they're excellent defensively.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
Isn't this like a home game for Jacksonville big crowd advantage?
I don't know. I do like that. The best thing
I like about Chicago is they went to London early.
They're already there. Jaggs feel like it's their second home though, right, isn't.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
It their first home is barely at home?
Speaker 2 (20:36):
I mean they don't.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
They don't have a home field advantage, man, I mean
do they? I mean, of all the home field advantages,
I think Jacksonville is the.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
Worst, probably the weakest.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Yeah, j Mack with the news no turns, this is
the head line.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Carolina's up there as well. They don't have a great
home field advent.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Indeed, yes, let's start with the Chargers coming off the
bye week. They're two and two in Jim Harball's first
year as head coach. The offense says up and down
in four games, Justin Herbert is still not one hundred percent.
Here's Herbert on the state of the Chargers offense.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
You know, have to be patient to understand that, hey,
we're gonna get things right. We haven't played the way
we want to, but it's not there's never a time
to panic, and it's not to Panicing doesn't help. We
got the right guys out there. It's a new offense,
it's a tough offense. We're gonna we're gonna get it
picked up. And you know, no one is panicking or
worried about that. And as long as we're moving forward
and getting better, that's all you can ask.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
I have a strong like for the Chargers this week,
so I favored on the road. I do not think
the Broncos can be trusted to win four straight games.
That's a big ask for a team that Vegas had.
Is you guys were all crapping on Denver's personnel and
I kept saying, I think their offensive personnel is better
than everybody thinks. But it's been their defense that is
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standing by business.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
Standing on business, Yes, yid, I just need to put
in perspective. Okay, this awesome defense. So they shut down
Tampa in a bad spot for Tampa that we had show,
they shut down the Jets in the rain, that's not what?
Speaker 2 (22:07):
So what?
Speaker 4 (22:08):
And they beat up on the poo poo platter of
Gardner Minshew and named O'Connell at home, Like, what's so
special about that. I mean, they did a good job
bottling up Pittsburgh, but they haven't faced an offense yet.
And I don't know that the Chargers are an offense,
are they?
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Well, they got both their tackles back. JK. Dobbins, justin
Herbert extra time for an offensive coach to prepare.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
How's this? You just put Patrick Sartan on one side
of the field wherever Herbert likes to throw more. Say
lock it down. Sartan right now is the best quarterback
in the league. Sorry, Sauce Gardner, I don't see how
the Charger scored. He points here. Do you really like
la Land points on the road? Huh?
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Yeah, I do?
Speaker 4 (22:45):
You are bold?
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (22:47):
Next up Russell Wilson. Oh, this is is interesting Colin
So he participated in his first full practice yesterday. Interesting
Timing off the loss to Dallas, Okay week six matchup
against the Raiders, Tomlin said Russ will start out taking
reps with the scout team so they don't disrupt Field's preparation.
The media is monitoring Russ's snaps closely. Tomlin added, the
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door is a jar for Russ to be potentially active
this weekend, and then about an hour ago, Steelers offensive
coordinator Arthur Smith was asked by the media about Justin Fields.
There's no drama to him. He doesn't try to live
through his avatar or create a perception. That's probably why
he's so endearing to his teammates in Chicago. Extremely coachable,
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extremely bright. He said, Dad, he's saying this about justin Fields.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Time out, time out? So was it taking a shot
at Russell Wilson?
Speaker 4 (23:43):
Is it a veiled shot? There's real drama Field.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
So this is what the OC said about Justin Fields.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
There's no drama to him. He opens leads with that.
So he doesn't try to live through this avatar or
create a perception. That's like stuff, wholy crap. There's probably
why he's so in dering to his teammates in Chicago. Coachable, bright, Wow,
it feels like a jab at Russ kind of like
I want Justin Fields subtle.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
He doesn't live through his avatar. Who brought that up?
Speaker 4 (24:14):
Say that like that's just coming out of nowhere.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Well that's Arthur Smith. That's a tell. That's a poker
player laughing, looking at his cards and laughing.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
My read is that Tom Lenon Smith had a conversation
about Fields did not have a great game against the Cowboys,
Arthur said, I want Field, I think exactly that.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Wow, so that.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
No, I don't know, that's crazy.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
It just feels a little like okay, So.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Just so that would be Arthur Smith turned on, and
Peyton turned on, and Pete turned on. Russell's got to look.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
In the mirror.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
I mean, seriously, if that, I don't even.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
A cost today because Russ is like ready, you knows
when Tomlin puts it with a scout team and it's
been like what six weeks withou kathensrecam on interesting situation
in Pittsburgh. Final story is Yankees Royals last night Game three.
The Alds nodded at one apiece. There was a late
game drama as the game was tied. It to in
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the top of the eighth and Gian Carlos Stanton, Yeah,
the postseason legend stepped.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
To the plate.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
Here's the call from John Sterling.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
On a high fly, the leven back goes, Melendu's on
the track, He's.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
At the wall hand cheese Gunny Stantonian home run.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
He drove a high fly deep left into the Yankee
bullpen to give the Yankees a three twer lead.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
So that's I've done a lot of things since I've
never hit like a home run and rounded the bases
like that. Just looks like everybody's staring at to in
the stadium and you just went yard. Stanton, by the way,
his postseason stuff is legendary. Now you look at Aaron
Judge Collin against Kansas City one for eleven, five, strikeout,
three walks. Well, he only hits an infield single. I
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love Aaron Judge. Everybody does.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
He'll get into it, he'll go you know, listen, Baseball's
like golf. Sometimes it gets into your head. He'll he'll
be okay. Otani was struggling for a while.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
Otani hasn't had a great series other than the early
home run. It is weird. These guys dominate the regular season.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
I mean, Judge was well in the In the regular season,
you're facing a bunch of ham and eggers, and then
you get to the postseason, you're facing elite pictures and.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
Kind of like the Royals facing the White Sox all
season and worst team in baseball history. I don't know.
Yankees have Garrett Cole taking the mount tonight. They should
lock it up in casey right. Sorry to Patrick Mahomes,
who was at the game last night.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
You see him, he was all fired.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
He's a minority owner of the.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Like magic with the Dodgers like one.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
Come on here, yeah, here, here's my talking talking talking
his former one of his buddies, who's wearing a Yankees.
Look at Mahomes. He gets into it.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
You know, Mahomes ive.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
He just feels like a cool guy.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
You know what I love about him?
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Cool guy?
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Anymore playful, serious when you should be serious, playful the
rest of the time.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
Any hoops to you know, he could play some basketball.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
He's just look at it.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Watch how he gets cocky. This is let's go cool boy.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
This is when they tied it up. Now no no,
uh no video of Mahomes after the gian Carlos Danting
home run.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
But uh I love that he is so likely get.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
A high five in fans. It's my kind of I
think we'd be we'd be buddies.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Well, everybody likes malls, we'd be buddies.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
You're not going to get that opportunity, although I will
say go ahead. His summers around the corner from where
I occasionally go.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
In the summer.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
You know, Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
I'm not gonna now, I'm not gonna. I'm just saying
Mahomes is around the corner from a place I occasionally
go to in the summer.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Okay, I'm not gonna.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
I'm not gonna let on any more than that I
live a very covert lifestyle. I'll just say that Mahomes
and I were close by.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
Which summer house is this of yours?
Speaker 1 (27:59):
I had to It's not a bunch of something.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
I had to come on. You left your guard down,
Bro j Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
So, uh, let me just throw something out for all
the people that think I pick on Aaron Rodgers. Here
is a full screen about the last time Aaron Rodgers
threw a three hundred game. This isn't just with the Jets.
This is with Matt Lafleur. Since the last time he
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had a three hundred yard game, Daniel Jones has had four,
Zach Wilson three, Desmond Ridder three, Mac Jones three, Kenny
Pickett had one, Jake Browning had three. Why is everybody
struggling to acknowledge Aaron throws a pretty ball, but he's
like an aging supermodel, like a kay, you know, you're
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still like it's wow, but it's not the same Christy
Brinkley at sixties, still a beautiful woman, but it's not
Christy at twenty four, right, Like it's just different people
are because Aaron's such a pretty thrower of the football.
You like when Cam Newton aged, you could tell Big
Ben like once fell over in the pocket, untouched. Aaron
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just looks so pretty throwing the ball. But it's he's
just not He's like an eighty nine passer rating guy.
I thought in that game he had two really bad misses.
Go to that interception down the sideline.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
At the end.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
That's a bad throw I mean that he had.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
I mean, look at this pick.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
That's a terrible throw. That's not even close. Watch this
throat on the sideline. He misses that and that is
a twenty five years So he misses that badly, that
pick six.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
It's not me picking on him.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
The numbers tell you he is a B quarterback right now.
He's A in the pretty He's B in the production.
That's what it is right now. If you told me
final drive Erin or Kirk Cousins, I'd take kirk Cousins.
Absolutely take kirk Cousins, no question. If you told me
final drive Erin or Dak, I'd take that. Mahomes is
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a given, but I'm Burrows a given. That's easy stuff.
Stafford's a given. But I'm telling you, if I said
to you right now in the last two years, Aeron
or Baker Mayfield one drive, I think I'd take. I
think I'd take Baker Mayfield. I'm not joking on this.
I'm not saying Aaron's terrible, but he is closer now
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to the middle pack than he is the top. He's
just such a beautiful thrower of the football when he does,
when that seed comes out of his hand, he will
throw some beauties where you're like, the numbers do not
lie behind a good old line with talented receivers and
Matt Lafleur hit that year he had year he finished
eight and nine, could not beat Jared Goff at home
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before the Lions. The Lions at that time weren't great.
They were you could see it in pending they were
going to be good a year later. That was not
a great Lions team.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
More faith than a final drive Brock Purdy or Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Probably Aaron, but barely, because I think Aaron can make
a couple of deep throws. Brock couldn't. I think the Baker.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Aaron not Brock Pert Interesting.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Well, you keep throwing them at Derek Carr Aaron. Aaron
is over Derek Carr or Aaron. No, I say he
put Derek Car Aaron. Aaron's over a lot of them.
But I'm saying right now, Baker, Mayfield, Kirk Cousins, Aaron,
There's no question I just saw Kirk Cousins doing on Thursday,
guys through for five football. Aaron hasn't had a game
like that in like eight years.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
Justin Herbert or.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Justin Herbert, Bigger, stronger, better arm moves. Jaydan Daniels or
Jayden Daniels. Wait, I'm not making it up. The numbers
tell you. I'm watching the games. I'm talking. I don't
care about resume and career. Today, minute forty no time out,
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Twelve years, three rings, MVP of a Super Bowl. Third
most receiving yards and catches in NFL playoff history. Julian Edelman, who,
by the way, NFL kickoff on Fox That is always
Sunday at eleven Eastern on our network here. So let's
just dive into the Jets. So one of the advantages
you guys always had in New England is there was
always so much turmoil in the teams in your division.
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Miami was revolving door jets with coaches. Buffalo blessed their
heart until they got Josh Allen. They were given the
go team effort. But again, you were in a division
without continuity, and you had no and butt continuity. I
am not a fan of a team. I always watched
two things for a coach is a team playing hard. Yeah,
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they didn't quit yeah, and where are you. Well, if
the Jets win Monday, they're in first place. If you
want to fire Sawa on a six game losing streak
and the team's quit. But didn't it feel a little rushed?
Speaker 2 (01:21):
It did, But it doesn't surprise me. It's the Jets.
You know, we all knew Sala was on the hot seat.
The only thing that surprised me they did this early.
But I could vividly remember we were in a two
game skit a couple times in my career and Belichick
would always say the same thing, Fellas, we need to
make changes. This is a production business, you know. This
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isn't for feelings, This isn't for your family. This is
a result business. And if you look at the results
for the last three years, I mean, they haven't been
very good. And to not have a plan last year,
I think that this stems from last year's not having
a backup quarterback plan and thinking Aaron's our savior. This
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a national football league. If you go out and think
that one guy is gonna make your team drastically different,
it doesn't happen like that, and it does in certain cases,
But like thirty eight year old guy not playing his
best coming into a different situation. I think there's a
lot of things that stem to why this decision was made.
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You know, the Cadence talk and how to deal with Aaron.
He's a franchise quarterback. It was crazy. I'm doing some
prep for my podcast Games with Names, and we're doing
the twenty fourteen Packers game against Seattle Rush. We'll rushed
through five interceptions and the defense had too. You know
that game. I'm sitting there watching Aaron Rodgers. He had
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a Caden's touchdown. I mean, that's what he does. And
so I think there's so many outside noises that the
outside people heard that. I think the Johnson family just
got fed up.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Saw Adam Schefter had pointed out he said he thought
New York got to Sala. Now Boston is also Boston.
Philly and New York are loud, aggressive medias out here.
We're pretty toothless.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
It's la.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
We're in a good move. We don't even honk when
you cut us off on traffic. Boston. Did you were
there ever? Times could have been Spygate. Were there ever
times with the noise outside the building like you did
hear it and feel it?
Speaker 2 (03:27):
No, because we had such strong leadership and that comes
from Bill and tom U, the two craziest compartmentalizers I've
ever met in my life. I mean they were always
the same. Like Bill, Yeah, was he an a hole, Yeah,
but that's how he always was. Brady. Was he just
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always laser focused. Yeah. He could have something going on
outside his life, he could have something going on with
the team, there could be a trade. He was the
same guy. And that's where it starts from. That outside
noise dealt with through the leadership of your team.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Did when you guys looked at the Jets, I mean
they had the sand chest team. When they had a
good left tackle, good defense, was a hell of a
game there. But a lot of times did you look
at other teams like you go into town, here come
the Patriots, whether you just won a Super Bowl or not,
it was always the standard. And did you, like ever
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look at other teams? Even in warm up so cut,
you fly in, you look at the facility, you look
at everything.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
To yourself, it's a circus. Not in the game. I
never felt that in a game because Bill was very
good at keeping us focused on what we had to
do to go out and win the game. But I
did feel those kind of those feelings when we would
have joint practices and saw how behind the scenes were
how teams practiced, the intensity of their practices, that's when
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I would see, you know, like, oh, yeah, this team's
not gonna be very good this year. Really yeah, in
a joint practice, joint practic, that's where you get to
see where the team's made up from. You know, we
see the product on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
You want to give any specific nah, I don't.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Want to throw any teams under the bus, but there
was a few where you know, you go out there
and they're hamming egging it. It's just we got water
breaks every two seconds. I mean, just soft just.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Saw this show has never had a water break.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
I won't I won't allow it. I know you know
that it gets hot in certain places, but we got
a ten minute water break where we were sitting doing
like one on ones as a different team because we
had to sit.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
You know.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
It was just that's when you can really see what
a team is is through how they prepare, through how
they practice the intensity of their practice. That's why you
hear so many great things about the great teams. You
look at Kansas City, what's everyone here about that camp.
They're working their tails.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Up practices and hips.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
He hits because those linemen need to hit, you know,
That's what I always felt. I can see a difference
in organization. That's funny.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Davante Adams, Saints, Steelers, Bills, Jets. Let's say you're a receiver.
Obviously quarterback matters. What else matters when you're potentially looking
at other places, I.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Would say quarterback is number one thing. Can he deliver
you the ball? And then also having other pieces. You know,
with the Bills, they have Shakir who's been developing into
a cool, awesome little slot guy, which is like that
Beasley role that they they've been missing for a few years.
Kinkaid he needs to get rolling, but he's had production. Yeah,
I think it's very attractive place for a big time
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receiver to come in and not take necessarily all the
eyes away from the other pieces, but be able to
go in and make key plays on key situations. I
think that would be a great fit for DeVante. I
don't think it's a great fit for the Bills though.
Why is that? You know, they just got out of
the same situation when they got digs to you know,
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they traded digs and digs out, and we saw in
the first two weeks how well Josh Allen played when
he didn't feel the weight of having to throw to someone. Yeah.
Now these last couple of weeks where they've lost a
couple of games, I think two pass happy Joe Brady
needs to get back to the run, get Cooks more involved,
and take the load off of Josh Allen and make
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him throw situationally.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Now, how do you think they changed it?
Speaker 4 (07:26):
Had to?
Speaker 2 (07:26):
You know, they've gotten into a deficit, a ten point deficit,
and a lot of times offensive coordinators they panic and
they change up their game plans completely because they're down seven,
they're down ten, but you know, there's there's still three
quarters of the game left, you know, and what are
you just going to change your whole game plan and
all the things that the whole team's confident running. Now
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we're going back to other things, a drop back pass
game where we haven't necessarily practiced a bunch. So I
just think that offensive coordinators sometimes panic when they get
a deficit and fall and run away from the run.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
You guys didn't trail a lot, but you had your moments.
Ye go to a big game, because there is that
line in the sand Julian from let's not panic to
oh crap, this isn't working.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Go to a big game.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Maybe it's the Ravens, maybe that you do have to say, guys,
we're gonna move a little off our game plan. Or
is that a halftime decision.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
It's probably a halftime decision. I mean, it's still I
mean the game is adjusting to the adjustments. That's what
a football game is, you know. That's why you look
at a lot of these West Coast teams that have
their script and they go out and they have a
twenty five play script and they look great, and then
the second half comes when they have to make when
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they have to make adjustments to the defense, adjustments that
they made to their game plan. A lot of times
they dwindle out. And we've seen a lot of these
West Coast systems, you know, have trouble with that four
minute offense when they have a lead because they run
out of plays. You know, specifically for US, I think
in the twenty eight to twenty eight to three game
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against Atlanta, we were down a lot, we still ran
the ball, though. I mean you look at James White
and we may have replaced runs with passes to the
running game, but that was a huge part of our system.
We didn't necessarily change it right away. What we all
talked about doing was, you're not going to win the
game in one play. Let's kind of just focus on
what we planned all week and continue to do that,
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and then we get it to halftime, and then we'll
make a change if we have to when all the
coaches can talk.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
You know, we were talking circle back to the Jets
about Belichick fitting with the Jets and the one thing,
and Bill got criticism for it, but Bill understood the
circus that was the Jets, and he you know, when
he worked for the Giants, it was such a class
organization that in the building, I always imagined Parcels and
Belichick making fun of the Jets, like looking at him,
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going what a circus? Well then Bill goes over there,
you know, part cells. But I just don't think that
organ I think firing Sola, in my opinion, is such
a turn off to good coaches. I think coaches there
is a community or a fraternity. You don't want a
guy's a stiff. But like the Raybels and the Belichicks,
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the guy. I think they look at the Jets and
probably go, Hell's that.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Jets do have a really good defense, and those are
two real defensive, happy head coaches. I'm telling you, Like Bill,
if you listen to him talk about mose Lee and
and the whole defense a front for the Jets, he
likes that. Oh no, he loves that team.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Is Rabel a good fit? You know him?
Speaker 2 (10:43):
I love ravesman, I don't. I just I can never
see those two. We never liked the Jets. I'm sorry you, Mac,
That's okay. We've like it was always exactly what you said.
We would look at the Jets and say, now, they
did have a few teams with Rex that you know,
we were fourteen to two, smoke them three weeks before
go to the division round. They smoked us. They beat
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us a couple times like that. But like you could,
always that was always a hiccup, right, you know what
I mean? That was always a blip in the radar
that was unpredictable. I just I can't even come up
with a thought because I'm thinking about if Rabel or
Bill went to the Jets. So I have no doesn't
feel it just doesn't feel right, Okay.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
So on Monday night, it felt a little bit like it.
Remember when Kevin Durant went to the Warriors and they
were already good, and there were nights that they it
felt like they were showing off. Yeah, they were kind
of playing. They were playing with the league, and I
felt Monday night standalone game, Taylor Swift is there laterals.
I mean I felt like Kansas City was sort of flexing. Yeah,
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that was like, We're gonna put on a little show tonight.
I never thought you guys played like that. Now. The
Randy Mosh years were crazy because nobody could guard Randy.
But I do feel like there's a little warrior. Not
all championship teams are the same, y, Yeah, but the
Michael Jordan teams ello flair. Are you cool with the
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fact that sometimes it does look like Kansas City is
flexing a little bit on these standalone games. I mean
the reversus laterals, like four or five of them.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
I mean, that's a huge part of what they've always done,
you know, they're they've always been very innovative with the pitches.
I mean, I think trav did this two weeks ago,
didn't he in a third and long situation?
Speaker 1 (12:27):
And he was on the show. He said, we didn't
practice everything.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
And they're always inventing something. They're very collaborative with allowing
players to come up with plays, and that's very different
than what we were. Like there was probably Tom and
you know Josh are the only ones kind of doing that.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Would you guys go into a game with like one
trick play.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
We'd have trick plays all the time. It's just we
would save that one trick play for when we need
it and when we developed the tendency for when people
were thinking that trick play wasn't coming. Okay, so everything
was calculated.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
How when the trick I always think about this, This
is weird. The trick play comes in and you have
to act like nothing's changed.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Yeah, is that hard? I remember specifically, on the one
of the double passes the one Avens game, Josh came
up to me. He goes, hey, do I need to
give you some lee time? I'm like no, Why? He goes,
we gonna take off your glove or something like or
excuse me, okay, but we can't take off our glove.
That'll show that we're doing something. Uh so your heartbeat
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gets up.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
But didn't you go practice on the sideline.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
I would always so before that, I would always catch
balls from Tom and I'd warm them up before the drive.
And so before that drive, that's when I would sit
there and I'd get warmed up. And I'm kind of
getting money. You're just casual, casual, But I was sitting
there slinging that thing, getting that thing warm. But we
didn't necessarily need a lot of lee time going into
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a trick play because we practice so much. But getting
back to the Kansas City Chiefs, that's what they do.
They're very innovative. But the more impressive thing is how
great their offensive line is playing right now. You look
at Hunt comes in and gets one hundred yards a touchdown.
You just miss Schuster's hundred and something yards and a touchdown.
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And that's what having continuity with the offensive line, quarterback
and that one skill position player Travis does. It shows
everyone else like, hey, guys, you need to get on
the speed of us because this is how we play.
We need juju. You need to make a play on
a third down for us when they've got four guys on.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
That's all you have to do.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
That's all you have to do. Hunt first and second down.
You need to get us three to six yards, get
us four yards a run, get us four yards a run,
keep us in third and manageable so we don't have
to do our little trick pass where Travis is doing
a third and seventeen throw lateral play like that's what
it's so impressive watching them. There's such a complimentary football
team too, and their defense is playing lights out. Beach
(15:05):
Beach you Brett beach Beach. I mean, you gotta tip
your You gotta tip your cap to him and Andy
Reid being on such a cohesive page of developing their
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Speaker 1 (15:27):
App Okay Bo Nick Sean Payton had an incident, Brady
Bill O'Brien had an incident. When it happens and you're
close to it, is it odd? Do you go buddy
up to Tom? If you saw Tom go nuts on
a coach and you're like three players away, do you
say anything?
Speaker 2 (15:46):
You don't touch the smoking gun. You just don't touch
a smoking gun. You go back and you sit on
the bench, and you look at your buddy and you say,
you see that, that's what we used to do. But
you don't know because we all knew. You know, Brady
played better pissed off, and that was the he liked that.
I liked it with Sean Payton and Bonicks because I mean,
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we saw a lot of this last year with Russell
and we never saw Russell bark back, you know, And
I think that specific situation, right.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Look at Brady, he is ticked off.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Taekwon oh man.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Look at that he is throwing dishes. Oh yeah, that
kitchen is getting there at Chatty.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Oh trying to back them up, Phil to shut up,
like that's funny. There's gronk. Yeah. But when that happens,
you you kind of let the player and the coach
who's that that's going with you, let them handle that.
But to go back to Denver and Bow and Peyton,
you know, I don't know Peyton that well. I've we've
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crossed pass. I like him a lot. I think you know,
he's a he's an alpha guy, yes, and he gets
turned on when a guy does that to him, especially
if if the kid came out and corrected, which I
I I guarantee, bo Nix doesn't look like a guy
that's gonna argue something that's wrong. It was probably a
coaching point that you know, Sean said to him, and
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he goes, well, this is what you said, Well look
at the coach Nicks and you know, and that's that's
where that's where it goes, you know, and and sometimes
you need a little bit that that's that's a growing
up step for a young quarterback. If he's right, if
he's right, if he's going to go do that on
something that has nothing to do with the team or
has nothing to do with you know, if it has
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something to do with his individual performance or of individual
play calling. Thing that like that, I don't think that's okay.
But it didn't seem like bow Knicks had a malicious intent.
He was probably like defending his territory, defending.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Drew Brees came on the show and said, Shawn's very
particular on stuff. Run to the short side.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
He gets a.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Certain hash in angles. Yeah, like he he gets very particular.
And what bo Nix is saying is probably, yeah, we
did it right, you know, yeah, hit defending his turf.
I get it. That Brady video is intense.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Yeah, that was That was a fun time.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
And we were in Washington, d C.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Or was it DC that was against DC the former
Redskins now the Commanders.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Yeah, and you remember the game.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Oh, I was playing defense. I was playing defense on
that game, I believe, really, yeah, it was really any good.
I don't remember. Yes, I was sack or a pick
or anything. I had a couple. You know, I'm jam
guys line of scrimmage and hold them for as long
as I could for five yards. Awesome, Great, see anybody.
Great to see you guys.
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Speaker 1 (19:19):
I like Chicago two game. You're not a heater until
you won three stroke.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
Like Chicago's a city or the Bears this weekend, and.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
I like them both, love it as a city and this.
I don't love them because it's London, which is wonky.
But I will say favorites do very well in these
I don't even know why in these overseas game all
favorites do well on Thursday night. It's just a better team,
less time for tricks.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
Are the Bears that much better than the jackson Sure?
I know the Jacks have been great, but are the
Bears great?
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Well? Well, here's what I stopped out the Panthers that Eberflus.
Here's what I know is an excellent defensive coach like
Robert Sola. Do you know your side of the ball.
Eberflus is excellent, so with Sala. Here's what I don't
know about Jacksonville. Is anybody excellent?
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Trevor Lawrence?
Speaker 1 (20:08):
What side of the ball do you go?
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Excellent?
Speaker 1 (20:10):
They can't stop anybody. Offense has been inefficient. The Bears,
unlike last two weeks. They're an efficient offense with no turnovers,
and they're excellent defensively.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
Isn't this like a home game for Jacksonville big crowd advantage?
I don't know. I do like that. The best thing
I like about Chicago is they went to London early.
They're already there. Jaggs feel like it's their second home though, right, isn't.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
It their first home is barely at home?
Speaker 2 (20:36):
I mean they don't.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
They don't have a home field advantage, man, I mean
do they? I mean, of all the home field advantages,
I think Jacksonville is the.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
Worst, probably the weakest.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Yeah, j Mack with the news no turns, this is
the head line.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Carolina's up there as well. They don't have a great
home field advent.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Indeed, yes, let's start with the Chargers coming off the
bye week. They're two and two in Jim Harball's first
year as head coach. The offense says up and down
in four games, Justin Herbert is still not one hundred percent.
Here's Herbert on the state of the Chargers offense.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
You know, have to be patient to understand that, hey,
we're gonna get things right. We haven't played the way
we want to, but it's not there's never a time
to panic, and it's not to Panicing doesn't help. We
got the right guys out there. It's a new offense,
it's a tough offense. We're gonna we're gonna get it
picked up. And you know, no one is panicking or
worried about that. And as long as we're moving forward
and getting better, that's all you can ask.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
I have a strong like for the Chargers this week,
so I favored on the road. I do not think
the Broncos can be trusted to win four straight games.
That's a big ask for a team that Vegas had.
Is you guys were all crapping on Denver's personnel and
I kept saying, I think their offensive personnel is better
than everybody thinks. But it's been their defense that is
(21:51):
standing by business.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
Standing on business, Yes, yid, I just need to put
in perspective. Okay, this awesome defense. So they shut down
Tampa in a bad spot for Tampa that we had show,
they shut down the Jets in the rain, that's not what?
Speaker 2 (22:07):
So what?
Speaker 4 (22:08):
And they beat up on the poo poo platter of
Gardner Minshew and named O'Connell at home, Like, what's so
special about that. I mean, they did a good job
bottling up Pittsburgh, but they haven't faced an offense yet.
And I don't know that the Chargers are an offense,
are they?
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Well, they got both their tackles back. JK. Dobbins, justin
Herbert extra time for an offensive coach to prepare.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
How's this? You just put Patrick Sartan on one side
of the field wherever Herbert likes to throw more. Say
lock it down. Sartan right now is the best quarterback
in the league. Sorry, Sauce Gardner, I don't see how
the Charger scored. He points here. Do you really like
la Land points on the road? Huh?
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Yeah, I do?
Speaker 4 (22:45):
You are bold?
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (22:47):
Next up Russell Wilson. Oh, this is is interesting Colin
So he participated in his first full practice yesterday. Interesting
Timing off the loss to Dallas, Okay week six matchup
against the Raiders, Tomlin said Russ will start out taking
reps with the scout team so they don't disrupt Field's preparation.
The media is monitoring Russ's snaps closely. Tomlin added, the
(23:10):
door is a jar for Russ to be potentially active
this weekend, and then about an hour ago, Steelers offensive
coordinator Arthur Smith was asked by the media about Justin Fields.
There's no drama to him. He doesn't try to live
through his avatar or create a perception. That's probably why
he's so endearing to his teammates in Chicago. Extremely coachable,
(23:34):
extremely bright. He said, Dad, he's saying this about justin Fields.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Time out, time out? So was it taking a shot
at Russell Wilson?
Speaker 4 (23:43):
Is it a veiled shot? There's real drama Field.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
So this is what the OC said about Justin Fields.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
There's no drama to him. He opens leads with that.
So he doesn't try to live through this avatar or
create a perception. That's like stuff, wholy crap. There's probably
why he's so in dering to his teammates in Chicago. Coachable, bright, Wow,
it feels like a jab at Russ kind of like
I want Justin Fields subtle.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
He doesn't live through his avatar. Who brought that up?
Speaker 4 (24:14):
Say that like that's just coming out of nowhere.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Well that's Arthur Smith. That's a tell. That's a poker
player laughing, looking at his cards and laughing.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
My read is that Tom Lenon Smith had a conversation
about Fields did not have a great game against the Cowboys,
Arthur said, I want Field, I think exactly that.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Wow, so that.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
No, I don't know, that's crazy.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
It just feels a little like okay, So.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Just so that would be Arthur Smith turned on, and
Peyton turned on, and Pete turned on. Russell's got to look.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
In the mirror.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
I mean, seriously, if that, I don't even.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
A cost today because Russ is like ready, you knows
when Tomlin puts it with a scout team and it's
been like what six weeks withou kathensrecam on interesting situation
in Pittsburgh. Final story is Yankees Royals last night Game three.
The Alds nodded at one apiece. There was a late
game drama as the game was tied. It to in
(25:13):
the top of the eighth and Gian Carlos Stanton, Yeah,
the postseason legend stepped.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
To the plate.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
Here's the call from John Sterling.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
On a high fly, the leven back goes, Melendu's on
the track, He's.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
At the wall hand cheese Gunny Stantonian home run.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
He drove a high fly deep left into the Yankee
bullpen to give the Yankees a three twer lead.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
So that's I've done a lot of things since I've
never hit like a home run and rounded the bases
like that. Just looks like everybody's staring at to in
the stadium and you just went yard. Stanton, by the way,
his postseason stuff is legendary. Now you look at Aaron
Judge Collin against Kansas City one for eleven, five, strikeout,
three walks. Well, he only hits an infield single. I
(26:02):
love Aaron Judge. Everybody does.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
He'll get into it, he'll go you know, listen, Baseball's
like golf. Sometimes it gets into your head. He'll he'll
be okay. Otani was struggling for a while.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
Otani hasn't had a great series other than the early
home run. It is weird. These guys dominate the regular season.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
I mean, Judge was well in the In the regular season,
you're facing a bunch of ham and eggers, and then
you get to the postseason, you're facing elite pictures and.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
Kind of like the Royals facing the White Sox all
season and worst team in baseball history. I don't know.
Yankees have Garrett Cole taking the mount tonight. They should
lock it up in casey right. Sorry to Patrick Mahomes,
who was at the game last night.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
You see him, he was all fired.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
He's a minority owner of the.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Like magic with the Dodgers like one.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
Come on here, yeah, here, here's my talking talking talking
his former one of his buddies, who's wearing a Yankees.
Look at Mahomes. He gets into it.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
You know, Mahomes ive.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
He just feels like a cool guy.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
You know what I love about him?
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Cool guy?
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Anymore playful, serious when you should be serious, playful the
rest of the time.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
Any hoops to you know, he could play some basketball.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
He's just look at it.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Watch how he gets cocky. This is let's go cool boy.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
This is when they tied it up. Now no no,
uh no video of Mahomes after the gian Carlos Danting
home run.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
But uh I love that he is so likely get.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
A high five in fans. It's my kind of I
think we'd be we'd be buddies.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Well, everybody likes malls, we'd be buddies.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
You're not going to get that opportunity, although I will
say go ahead. His summers around the corner from where
I occasionally go.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
In the summer.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
You know, Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
I'm not gonna now, I'm not gonna. I'm just saying
Mahomes is around the corner from a place I occasionally
go to in the summer.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Okay, I'm not gonna.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
I'm not gonna let on any more than that I
live a very covert lifestyle. I'll just say that Mahomes
and I were close by.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
Which summer house is this of yours?
Speaker 1 (27:59):
I had to It's not a bunch of something.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
I had to come on. You left your guard down,
Bro j Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
So, uh, let me just throw something out for all
the people that think I pick on Aaron Rodgers. Here
is a full screen about the last time Aaron Rodgers
threw a three hundred game. This isn't just with the Jets.
This is with Matt Lafleur. Since the last time he
(28:31):
had a three hundred yard game, Daniel Jones has had four,
Zach Wilson three, Desmond Ridder three, Mac Jones three, Kenny
Pickett had one, Jake Browning had three. Why is everybody
struggling to acknowledge Aaron throws a pretty ball, but he's
like an aging supermodel, like a kay, you know, you're
(28:53):
still like it's wow, but it's not the same Christy
Brinkley at sixties, still a beautiful woman, but it's not
Christy at twenty four, right, Like it's just different people
are because Aaron's such a pretty thrower of the football.
You like when Cam Newton aged, you could tell Big
Ben like once fell over in the pocket, untouched. Aaron
(29:17):
just looks so pretty throwing the ball. But it's he's
just not He's like an eighty nine passer rating guy.
I thought in that game he had two really bad misses.
Go to that interception down the sideline.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
At the end.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
That's a bad throw I mean that he had.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
I mean, look at this pick.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
That's a terrible throw. That's not even close. Watch this
throat on the sideline. He misses that and that is
a twenty five years So he misses that badly, that
pick six.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
It's not me picking on him.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
The numbers tell you he is a B quarterback right now.
He's A in the pretty He's B in the production.
That's what it is right now. If you told me
final drive Erin or Kirk Cousins, I'd take kirk Cousins.
Absolutely take kirk Cousins, no question. If you told me
final drive Erin or Dak, I'd take that. Mahomes is
(30:19):
a given, but I'm Burrows a given. That's easy stuff.
Stafford's a given. But I'm telling you, if I said
to you right now in the last two years, Aeron
or Baker Mayfield one drive, I think I'd take. I
think I'd take Baker Mayfield. I'm not joking on this.
I'm not saying Aaron's terrible, but he is closer now
(30:41):
to the middle pack than he is the top. He's
just such a beautiful thrower of the football when he does,
when that seed comes out of his hand, he will
throw some beauties where you're like, the numbers do not
lie behind a good old line with talented receivers and
Matt Lafleur hit that year he had year he finished
eight and nine, could not beat Jared Goff at home
(31:03):
before the Lions. The Lions at that time weren't great.
They were you could see it in pending they were
going to be good a year later. That was not
a great Lions team.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
More faith than a final drive Brock Purdy or Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Probably Aaron, but barely, because I think Aaron can make
a couple of deep throws. Brock couldn't. I think the Baker.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Aaron not Brock Pert Interesting.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Well, you keep throwing them at Derek Carr Aaron. Aaron
is over Derek Carr or Aaron. No, I say he
put Derek Car Aaron. Aaron's over a lot of them.
But I'm saying right now, Baker, Mayfield, Kirk Cousins, Aaron,
There's no question I just saw Kirk Cousins doing on Thursday,
guys through for five football. Aaron hasn't had a game
like that in like eight years.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
Justin Herbert or.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Justin Herbert, Bigger, stronger, better arm moves. Jaydan Daniels or
Jayden Daniels. Wait, I'm not making it up. The numbers
tell you. I'm watching the games. I'm talking. I don't
care about resume and career. Today, minute forty no time out,
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