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Speaker 1 (00:24):
We are moving today, rolling through this show. Jmack with
the news.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
No turns, this is the Herdline News.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
All right, Let's start with the second highest graded passer
in Week one according to Pro Football Focus. Your guy,
Sam Darnold. What a performance against that wow hopless Giants.
Nineteen to twenty four, two eight two touchdowns. I think
he started twelve for twelve something insane.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
That I made one one throw that I thought was
just He made two throws I thought were big time throws.
Nice to see him rallying here.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
And Kevin O'Connell spoke about Darnold's performance and he believes
that time that he served as a backup with Kyle
Shanahan was hugely valuable.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
I think Sam being around, you know, being around you know,
the Niners and Kyle and how he coached, you know,
that group last year.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
I think he took a lot of out of that.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
And then I think just the way he went about
the daily I really stressed to Sam throughout training camp. Uh,
you know, as we installed plays, go through a process
of how you were digesting that information, what you were
doing at night before we you know, if we gave
him information early, how he was going about trying to
be comfortable with that. That's why we do the things
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that we do to make sure he does have that confidence.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
There is such a gap in quarterback coaching in this league.
Minnesota's got it right, Rams, Niners, Kansas City, Denver. Now
I think doubt. I think Mike McCarthy does a good job.
You can't guy one with that. Cooper Cush, Aaron Rodgers,
Cooper Rush and Rogers. What like ten to twelve I
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think there's yeah, I think there's about I think that's
a good number. Ten to about ten coaches in this league.
They're just better at that. They're just better at it.
Salah and Rodgers. That's not that's not on the left.
But I do think I think there are times that
the quarterback is better than the coach, and then there
are times you have Brian day ball, who's better than
the quarterback? So I right now, Sean Payton's better than
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Bo Nicks and it's uneven. They'll get it right. But
I mean the key is if you're a defensive coach
and have a quarterback, you have to have buddies who
are OC's. You got to get along with people in
this league because if you're a defensive coach, you have
to have friends outside of your defensive social circle because
sometimes your owner's not going to pay two and a
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half million for that coordinator. That's why it's very important
because you don't get a Ben Johnson very often. You
may be a head coach for ten years and get
one great OC and if he's really great, you get
two years of him and then he take the head job.
Speaker 5 (02:59):
The head coach.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Yeah, he used to be able to keep an OC
twenty five years ago for years and years. You can't
keep everybody wants to be when the Ben Johnson stayed
and it was a huge story that he stayed.
Speaker 6 (03:08):
Very rare.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Yeah, let's go to Marvin Harrison junior colin. He had
an uneven opener.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
Shall we stay against the Bills?
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Weird targeted three times, caught one pass, for four yards down.
He was very wide open late in the game, Kyler
missed him. Kyler a lot of checkdowns, didn't want to
go deep down the field. OC Drew Petzing said the
plan is to get more of the ball more, but
that he takes responsibility for the lack of targets.
Speaker 7 (03:35):
You know, I really try to stress with Kyler's like
it's not his job to get certain people the ball
or worry about how a guy's doing in the flow
of the game. Certainly gonna He's on the forefront of
our mind terms of getting into the ball, and I
think they did some good things to take him away,
and certainly could have called some plays differently to try
to get him a little bit more involved early.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
But I thought it was a good start. Yeah, I
don't know. You know, Harrison, Randy Moss, and Calvin Johnson
of the best college receivers I've ever seen. Harrison's in
a small group of third best. He's not a burner.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Well, I was gonna bring up the I'm sure you
saw the numbers floating around today. They looked at the
next gen stats for wide receiver speed and Marvin Harrison was.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Like dead last. Well, he's not a burner. He's not
justin Jefferson. That's not what he is. What he is
is a big target, great hands, good routes.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
So what can he be Mike Evans. I don't think
he's gonna be Mike Evans.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Mike Evans is good. No, I think I got the
Hall of Fame. Well, I think he is Mike Evans.
I think that's a good comp.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
I mean, I liked him a lot. Mike Evans came
out of the gate and it was dominant.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Well, Roma Dundee didn't get any catches either, he got
one catch.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
I don't think people thought of him in the Marvin Harrison.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Class, didn't they. Well people, I think people were saying
that Neighbors was better than Harrison. I didn't agree, but
that's what they said.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
I thought that was junk to I don't know. I
like Harrison a lot, but that Kyler wasn't looking to him.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Dude, he likes.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
He seems to like Dorch, the kid who makes a
lot of plays. He seems to love Dorch. He likes
Trey mc bride.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
George is good. Marvin Harrison is you might use him,
I don't know. And by the way, the Rams corners
were all beat up last week. I'm not sure if
they're back. If they're not, Mark Sanchez has that Arizona
Rams game, which is a great game because Rams, I mean,
usually you take the Rams, but they are their offensive
line is a mess, and now they'll pooka for a month.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
So they won the Super Bowl and then everybody who
was hurt. The next year they go to the playoffs,
and now early everybody's already hurt. Like the final story
is I hate to end on our negative note, but
the Carolina Panthers, oh boy, what a disaster. I mean,
Bryce Young was horrific, thirteen of thirty colin one hundred
and sixty one yards, two picks with sack four times.
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First year head coach Dave Kanalis, who was supposed to
resurrect Young, took the blame for Young in the team's performance.
Speaker 8 (05:44):
It's both, but honestly, it's on the coaching staff.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
It's on us.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
We sat there like we were sitting ducks.
Speaker 8 (05:50):
We didn't do enough to put our guys to give
them simpler solution in some of those and this is
one of the best third down pressure packages that you
gonna go against. We saw week one we've been against
it before. We had a plan, he had counters, so
we got out. Coach in that regard, I take that personal.
Speaker 5 (06:08):
Yeah, that was bad.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
I had a hot take on my podcast that I
think Bryce Young could be out of the league as
quickly as Josh Rosen was. Remember Josh Rosen one and
done in Arizona. He got a nibble in like Miami,
then he got a quick bite in Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
He's done.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Josh Rosen's out of the NFL. It's over.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
He had sixteen starts.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
I think we're headed that way with Bryce Young. Well,
I that doesn't bother me as much as it would
have ten years ago. I think these guys come in
with so many seven on seven camps and personal coaching.
I'm just less. You know, you go fifteen years ago,
Mark Sanchez will be on you didn't have all the
seven on seven summer stuff, the personal coaching. I'm I'm
not gonna give a quarterback the runway I did ten
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years ago.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
But here's the thing.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Bryce Young is not gonna become like a Baker Mayfield
where Baker three four teams and now he's resurrected.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
I don't see that from Bryce Young.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
We saw him way back.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Do you remember his first like training camp and he
had the oversized helmet and I was like, dude, what
he does not look like an NFL quarterback And we
got to laugh at it, joking Colin. Nothing's changed, though.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Well, here's the utter thing. He has a very smart
offensive coach. So if he can't resurrect him. You know,
like if McVeigh or Shanahan bail on a quarterback, he's
frying out the guy, right. That's why everybody likes Sam
Donald in the league because Shanahan loved him and Kevin
O'Connell loved him. So that's that's a lot of Donald's.
The affinity for Donald is because all the smart offensive
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guys are like, we think he can play. And by
the way, McVeigh liked Baker Mayfield and a lot of
offensive guys like Baker Mayfield. So if Canals can't get
him to be competent, good luck.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
By the way, Trey Lance couldn't work with Shanahan. I
tried Dallas then through five picks in a preseason game.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Like, and McCarthy is much better than we give him
credit for.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
I mean, some of these young quarterbacks, you know, you
get your chance and that's it tough.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
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Speaker 1 (08:14):
You know, it's it's always interesting to me to watch
who are broadcasters, what games they get. And I think
the Rams Arizona this week is fascinating because a it's
a rivalry game. The Rams have dominated. But Los Angeles
O line is it is a mess. I mean they're
pulling guy. I think they just pulled somebody from the
Eagles who got cut. They don't have starters. Let's bring
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in Mark Sanchez, Fox Sports NFL analysts first time this
football season. It's great to have him. I didn't mark
this down as a week before the season started, said
that game is going to be fascinating. So I want
to ask you this. I thought watching Detroit in LA
they were short bodies, and I thought when it got
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to overtime, the Rams just ran a bob. When you're
in the league as a quarterback, and now Stafford's got
no left tackle starter, the kid the other kid on
a TCU's not playing. Does it affect the way you
think as a quarterback? Get it out, get it fast?
I mean, you tell me.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
Well, I have one agree that.
Speaker 9 (09:17):
When there's that much turnover up front and like they had,
guys are suspended, guys go down, guys are injured. To
start the game, Stafford knew exactly what to do, and
that's his year upon year upon year of experience and understanding.
I don't have time to get it to three, four
and five. So if one and two aren't open, I'm
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expediting my read I'm I'm speeding up my process. And
he's able to do that because of his experience. He
put on an absolute clinic.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
It was the incredible.
Speaker 9 (09:49):
I don't know if I've seen a coordinator and quarterback
in lockstep like that in a long time. It was
the O line's held together by scotch tape, not even
and duct tape. At that point, Stafford's got a bum
ankle from getting twisted up in the game, tougher than nails.
I mean, the guy probably puts glass in his oatmeal
in the morning because he is an absolute iron man.
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But there goes Nakoua on the stretcher in the locker room,
and this dude is still dealing on throwing, both on
the road in a hostile environment, in a place he
played his whole life, his whole career before LA And
you don't think they're just they just want him to
cough it up. They just want him to make the
bad throw, make the bad decision, and he refused to
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do it. It's it was a little bit of the
antithesis of what we saw in our game with the
Bears and the Titans. Two younger guys who don't have
that experience and when things go off the rails a
little bit, they don't have that resolve yet. Now it's
a muscle that you need to stretch and you need
to exercise to be able to employ. But Matthew Stafford
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and Sean McVay were absolutely lights out. And you talk
about scheming guys to get open, you talk about you
motion pre snap alignment shifts and formation formations. Their shift
in formation playbook with motions has to be like the
cheesecake factory menu.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
I guarantee it.
Speaker 9 (11:12):
That's probably one of the hardest things to learn in
their offense because they're all over the place and to
play in that system, you got to know where to
line up and what's the play caller's purpose. I think
when you see a quarterback execute at that level with
that many issues going on around him, having to put
out fire after fire, in the middle of plays, in
between plays, getting guys lined up whatever it is, and
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still reading the defense and still delivering the ball off
your back foot like that at thirty seven years old,
escaping the pocket and still running scramble drill. You have
to understand the play caller's purpose. Why are we running
the play, what are they doing to us on defense?
How do I get out of trouble? What's my contingency plan?
It was incredible. It was one of the best performances
I've seen by him.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
You know, last year I still thought he was an
MVP candidate.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
I want to It's really interesting. I thought the three
coaches that blew me away in week one were Andy,
Shanahan and McVeagh, where I'm like, okay, they had all
summer to put this on staples. I don't know if
you can do that in week nine to ten. I
don't know if you could put the cheesecake factory menu
in So when I look at the Jets. My takeaway
was this was a big ask. I know McCaffrey didn't play,
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but Mark similarly, Miami does this too. I look at
San Francis. I try to guess play calling when I
watch a game. I look with Los Angeles, Kansas City
and San Francisco. I am lost, so Ustad McVeigh cheesecake Factory.
Is San Francisco is at the same level, because.
Speaker 9 (12:41):
Oh it's similar at the top, like that, there's more
than one play option at the beginning, guys are white
over yes, and you're making decisions before the ball snapped.
Most of the time, i'd say ninety five percent of
the time, when you have a call at run it
basically the coach calls it and you go in the huddle,
tell them what's going on, walk up to the lines, GrimAge,
and execute the play.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
That is a rarity in their systems.
Speaker 9 (13:04):
You got to go up there with multiple options, so
you've got to be able to process all that and
there's a lot of moving parts to get that done with.
With the Jets on the road, I think a lot
of it was a little bit of rust. Rogers hasn't
played in over a season. You know, it's that's part
of it. I think getting in a groove with his
players is an issue right now, and it's still so early.
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You can't write these guys off. I mean, Jamak, I
know you're just throwing people out of the league here.
Let's just put the flamethrower on a shelf. Maybe you
know what I mean. It's week one, big guy. What
do we always say week one is a dirty little
liar like your ex Okay.
Speaker 5 (13:39):
Just hang in there, hanging their patients.
Speaker 9 (13:42):
So so with with Rogers, I think part of the
other problem was, I mean, they only ran a.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
Handful of plays minutes.
Speaker 9 (13:50):
So when when you have that small of a sample size,
any negative play is amplified, magnified because you know the
drops by brief, all the fumble, the interception, It's like.
Speaker 5 (14:01):
Oh, these guys are terrible.
Speaker 9 (14:03):
Well, okay, twenty five thirty more plays and you change
the outcome of a ballgame. So the forty nine ers
just absolutely took it to them on the ground game.
Oh my god. I mean it was a teach tape
on how to rush the football and Jordan Mason was
an absolute monster. So those guys are road grading that defense.
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I think it amplified the issues they have on defensive line.
They got to get another pass rusher, they got one
waiting in the wings. What's going to happen with that
negotiation in Hassan Redick because that'll take a little pressure
off of Quentinnin Williams and Jermaine Johnson, right, Like, those
things are important. So now where does that go? You know,
does does Joe Douglas want to budget a little bit
here and say, gosh, we need somebody or you know,
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who's leverage, who has more leverage? Now in that situation,
that's a tough one to deal with Week two now,
so I'll be curious to see how they bounce back.
But I mean, listen, one bad week on the road
across the country, getting back at seven in the morning,
going straight back into the building, getting ready for another
road trip in Tennessee. That's that's not an easy start
to the schedule. So if anybody can do it, it's
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Aaron Rodgers. I don't want to bet against the upset
and disgruntled Aaron Rodgers. That's, you know, not the not
the wagering side I'd like to be on.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
It's interesting, I asked, Maybe it was Edelman, I asked,
somebody this week or last week about one of the
things I had sympathy for Aaron. I remember when Brady
got hurt and missed the season. I can remember the
next two years. He got pissy if you got near
his boat. Tom was in mood. He would turn and
barket officials. Yeah, and so I'm thinking Aaron's had four
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snaps in so many years. I didn't think he was
tentative to his credit, No, but I did think he
stayed within about a four foot radius that he wasn't
quite like Stafford's not a runner, but he moves a
lot in the pocket. I did look at Aaron and think, boy,
his radius has shrunk. He didn't he wanted to sit
around for a second pitch. What did you make of it?
Speaker 9 (15:59):
I think he was doing a lot of what Stafford
was doing, and that's expediting his reads because he had
to based on the pressure he was getting, based on
how fast flow that defense is and how quickly they
were applying pressure to him. He's got to make decisions.
He's not going to just stand there and hold the ball.
That's not his game. He's gonna move on. He's gonna shuffle, move,
escape the pocket. Quickly and get rid of the football.
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He's not gonna take the nineteen yard sack, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 5 (16:24):
That's not his thing. So he's going to stay ahead
of that.
Speaker 9 (16:27):
And some of that takes reps to actually work through
those things and kind of remind himself a little bit
about how good he is in space, in the pocket,
that short area of quickness. He's still got more than
enough of that to make this thing work.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
You know, in golf, you're as good as your confidence, right, Well,
we've seen great golfers of Greg Norman and Nick Faldo
get on a green light and you lose it the
yips they call it, with your irons. I don't know
if there's a player in the league at quarterback that
is more confident driven than Baker Mayfield. And now he's
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in Tampa. He's got no pressure. He's the latest swashbuckling.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
Or no pressure.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Well, I mean in the world. I know, I know,
but Tommy won the trophy. He's getting. They like him,
he's their guy. There's no backup pushing him. I watch
him in Tampa and I'm like, should Cleveland should have
kept him? I mean, it is what do you make
of his rebirth because it feels better than Gino, it
feels stronger than Derek Carr. I watch him Sunday and
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I'm like, he is Dylan.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
I think it's situational.
Speaker 9 (17:33):
I think the confidence that the team and the organization
has publicly expressed, excuse me, in him.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
He feeds off of that. You're right, he does enjoy
that and he rides that wave.
Speaker 9 (17:45):
But he's also developed into a guy that you know
isn't as reckless with the football. You don't see quite
as many extended plays that get little sideways. The nineteen
yard sack once again. I mean, if you're gonna do that,
that's an absolute drive killer. The chair nances of you
converting on that drive after taking that big of a
loss are infinitesimal, right, So you gotta move on, cutbait
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and move on with your life. Continue to stack good plays,
get me out of bad place. You're gonna get fifteen
ish third downs a game, eight of them. You're gonna
get exactly what you're expecting. You should have one, two,
three balls got to come out. If you got to
check it down, check it down. But those seven five
to seven third downs where you've got to make great
decisions with the football in your hand. Remember that's the aspirations,
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hopes and dreams of the entire franchise that you control
every snap if you can make those great decisions in
those crunch time moments, in the split second it takes
to say yes or no on a throw.
Speaker 5 (18:42):
Do I cut this ball loose? Do I chance it?
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Will?
Speaker 9 (18:46):
Levis up seventeen, you know, up a point late in
the game, You know what I mean? Like those kind
of play That has to be the decision making and
the discernment that you need to keep your team in
the game, keep them in it till the fourth core.
Then when it's time to cut it loose, it's fourth down,
you gotta throw the Hail Mary whatever. Okay, that's fine,
but until then you better be sharp with your decision
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making or else you're gonna give the game away. And
a lot of these games are they're lost?
Speaker 5 (19:12):
Not one? All right?
Speaker 1 (19:13):
He Mark brings tape Caleb Williams, will Levis.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
I can't wait.
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Speaker 1 (20:14):
Mark Sanchez rams Cardinals for Eastern on Fox. Very interesting
for West Coast viewers. So I had said last week
Tennessee was one of my picks of the week last week,
and I said, listen three times at college Caleb completed
under fifty eight percent of his throws. He was fifty
percent in pre season. I like him, but with the
gms I talked to all pointed to one thing. He
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has erratic accuracy and they'd feel better if it was
an offensive culture of Mcbeyah Shanahan, Kevin O'Connell to pull
him back into the fairway. Historically, Chicago's defensive coaches defensive culture.
So the concern is he's a little inconsistent on accuracy.
So when I watched the Tennessee game, it's hard the
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pass rush roma Donze's a rookie. I don't want to
be too judgmental. A little concerning for me. He missed
a couple open guys, So you have teach me something.
Speaker 5 (21:08):
Yeah, so are we do? You want to start with
Levis or.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Kel, start with Caleb?
Speaker 9 (21:12):
Yeah, that's find me. So I think one of the
things understanding the big picture is what Stafford did so
well the other night, right understanding what his limitations were
personnel wise, up front, understanding what the defense is doing
to him, and that comes with time. Your first game
as a rookie at home, the weight of the world
is on your shoulders. You got to be Sid Luckman,
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you got to be Jim McMahon. I mean, jeez, Louis.
It's there's a lot going into it. So your ability
to lock in and focus is based on a plan.
Knowing who you're going against who's who's my opponent? What
do they do well? Denard Wilson, the defensive coordinator from
the Tennessee Titans. It's his first year coordinating, but you
couldn't tell. I mean, it looked great what he had,
But you know he's a pressure guy. He was under
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Greg Williams for a while. That's like one of his mentors.
What does Greg Williams do? They call him doctor Heat
for a reason. He's gonna light you up, and he's
gonna bring looks that you've never seen, unscouted stuff. It's
week one. You better have your head on a swivel
and be ready to put out some fires and have
a contingency plan. So what does that look like? I
need three options for all out pressure or uncomfortable looks
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where I can just spit the ball out a couple
of them. I want to be able to motion somebody down,
block it up, and if they fool me and back.
Speaker 5 (22:25):
Out of there, I check it down and move on.
Speaker 9 (22:27):
And if they do, bring the house and I got
it blocked up and it's one on one downfield, go
gash them. Go make them pay for trying to take
your head off, right, that's how you got to approach
this thing. But I need at least three options. So
when you watch this tape, they're gonna get to an
empty formation. They're gonna motion Travis Homer out of the backfield.
There goes Kenneth Murray to guard them, so you know
it's man and man across the board. Now my problem
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area is gonna.
Speaker 5 (22:49):
Be up top.
Speaker 9 (22:49):
You see these guys five for five matching everybody, but
up top they got a nickel over number three, Gerald
Everett and a safety behind him.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
That's where my attention should be. On the left.
Speaker 9 (22:59):
That's my problem. It's two for two down here. I'm
not worried about down here. So what does Denard Wilson do.
He brings the nickel off the top, drops their two
best pass rushers into the void that they're leaving. By
bringing that nickel to ruin, Caleb shot to throw it
quickly to the right, and his eyes are clearly to
the right. He's looking at Keenan right away. So now
it gets him late to the backside, where I don't
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believe you should be throwing an inside slot fade as
a second read.
Speaker 5 (23:25):
That's an alert. I want your eyes there.
Speaker 9 (23:26):
I want you to see the relationship, especially with the
pocket that clean. You gotta set into that throw and
see that. The only thing I don't want you watching
on an inside slot fade is if you're holding that
free safety. I'm holding the safety and then I'm getting
a feel for that relationship with my slot receiver and
the defender over him.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
Is there space? Is he out running them? Do I
put it right on him?
Speaker 9 (23:48):
Because the DB's over the top, he can't figure that out,
and he's reacting and throwing at the same time. I
think a lot of this is the starting point of
his eyes and then his drop integrity. He gets a
little shuffley at the top of his drop and it's
not defined if it's a five step I want to
see five steps. Hit your back foot, quick reset ball out.
That will help his accuracy down the field. But if
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you're going to react and throw and kind of shuffle
off your back foot and launch it up in the air,
your accuracy is just gonna plumb it exactly right. But
so here's you know, when you watch tape of him
and you watch that high end zone clip, the eye
in the sky never lies. The stripe on your helmet
will tell me the story of your eyes. If you
don't have the stripe, those two c's on the side
of his helmet. The details are in that logo.
Speaker 5 (24:32):
Right. If I see both logos.
Speaker 9 (24:34):
On a bunch of plays in a row, my man's
looking at too much stuff, right, There's too much going on.
And that was Denard Wilson's plan. Make him think at
the end of this game. If I'm Denard Wilson, I'm
happy flying home on that plane.
Speaker 5 (24:46):
If Caleb's brain.
Speaker 9 (24:47):
Is completely scrambled, that's my end goal because if he scrambled,
he doesn't know where to go with the football. If
you don't know where to go with the football. We
got him right, and that's essentially the situation they put
him in. And it was tough to watch because he's
so talented and he's gonna get there. He's gonna figure
this out. This is one of the best learning experiences
for him because they got the w right. Usually you
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play like that and win a game, no chance. Right,
I've literally done it. I've thrown three picks and won
a game because our defense was awesome.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Right.
Speaker 9 (25:19):
They kept getting us the ball back and I'd give
it right back away. And it's these lessons are hard
to learn, but it takes the sting out of it
a little bit when you win the game.
Speaker 5 (25:27):
So bottom line.
Speaker 9 (25:28):
Is he picked up the w which is really hard
to come by, especially the way he played. So now,
what how do you move on? How do you get
better from this? And I really think it's the starting
point of his eyes. Just get off on the right foot.
Just start me off in the right direction with my
eyes and then define those drops because that'll help with
his timing and his accuracy.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Okay, Will Levis Yeah to me, I'll just tell you
what my take is. He's a bit mechanical, not quite
fluid enough, very mechanical, very ripped. I wish he was
a little looser. But this whatever, that's just my you know,
don't know what I'm talking about. View. What does the
tape say? What did he struggle with most?
Speaker 4 (26:02):
You know?
Speaker 9 (26:02):
I think for Will that was his tenth start he
had nine last year, And I think one of the
biggest takeaways from him is the big picture view. I
want him to understand the aerial view of the parade.
I want him to get that ingrained in his brain
because when you jump out to a seventeen point lead,
on the road with a rookie quarterback on the other side,
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feeling the boo birds of Chicago coming out and booing
them like crazy. I mean, dude, this is the chant.
Hey kick that thing into cruise control. Give me fifty
five miles an hour middle lane of the highway. No
risk right now, absolutely no risk. No need to attack
this thing. If they give you a perfect look and
somebody's wide open, heck, yes, man, cut it loose and
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be you go handle it.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
But there's no need to put the ball in harm's way.
Speaker 9 (26:50):
So when you watch his first play, they're doing a
similar thing, using motion to try and get a good
look at the defense.
Speaker 5 (26:57):
Clear up the picture.
Speaker 9 (26:58):
Nobody runs with them. You know you're gonna get some
sort of zone. They got a nickel and Kyler Gordon
on the snap over. Calvin Ridley pressed up. He's got
blitz eyes looking inside. Boom, there comes the pressure. Will
Levis is looking at Calvin Ridley for a quick answer
to get this ball out now. I'm not sitting in
their meetings. I don't know what they're hot in sight
structure is, but that's an easy outlet right there.
Speaker 5 (27:20):
Get rid of it.
Speaker 9 (27:21):
They do an excellent job up front of bringing the
pressure from the right side with these three players and
then having Edwards over the guard. Edward's over the guard,
keeps the guard inside to get the free runner, and
then he pops out. That ball's got to come out
to Ridley before Edwards makes a play. He bluffs the
blitz and gets out to cover. Now Levis feels the
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pressure has to drift to the left Seese. This guy
he's not open. He wants to throw it. He wants
to throw He even pumps it for a second.
Speaker 5 (27:49):
Right there.
Speaker 9 (27:49):
You fall down, You fall down this extra ugh, I
gotta make the play.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
I got it.
Speaker 9 (27:55):
You're up a point. These guys are already coming back.
The momentum is starting to shift. Don't let that defense
who's a bouquet of you know, Venus fly traps. They
led the league in interceptions last year. They were number
one against the run. I mean, don't even give him
a chance to come back in this game. You're already
owning the ballgame. That's the big picture view. I want
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him to get to and if he can eliminate that
and the drive with the kick field goal, pat punt
right there, Just punt.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
Move on with your life. Cut bait and let's go.
Speaker 9 (28:26):
But that that's going to be crucial because he's got
to understand what wins games, but he also has to
understand what loses games.
Speaker 5 (28:32):
That can lose a game quickly.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Miller Moss, you see now you know him because of
high school in southern California, which you know, the litany
of schools. Sure, I said this a couple of weeks ago,
that kid on platform, moving right, just short screens. He
is accurate. Absolutely, this looks like a real name.
Speaker 5 (28:56):
It looks like you know.
Speaker 9 (28:58):
Conversely to what we just mentioned, Will Levis, like, I
think he really does get the big picture.
Speaker 5 (29:03):
He's not the most athletic guy.
Speaker 9 (29:04):
No, he doesn't have the biggest arm, so he is forced,
right that necessity breeds these kind of things, right, He
has to find a way to get completions, to steal
completions from the pocket, and he can't run around all
game and look for the guy in street ball and
whatever like that's not his game. So he's got to
understand leverage, spatial awareness, anticipation because he doesn't have the
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cannon for an arm that I see him open, I
see him open, foom and add a little extra juice
on the football to get it before the window closes
to complete the ball. So because of that, you can
tell he's a very cerebral point guard that can distribute
and gets the big picture why we're running these plays
where my potential issues are. Now, it's only been a
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two game sample. They got a bye week and then
they go to Michigan, So Michigan's not going to be
happy obviously, after they got smacked a little bit week one.
That's gonna be a tough place to play. There's a
lot of things that's still come into play that way,
but for the most part, everything I've seen has been
nails and they're looking up. I think he kind of
got the benefit of the doubt of flying under the
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radar a little bit. You know, he's not Caleb, so
he could kind of you know, sit back, relax, expect
surprise some people.
Speaker 5 (30:17):
But there's tape out now.
Speaker 9 (30:18):
You know, these these defensive coordinators, they live to ruin
your game day, so they're gonna be standing up all
night trying to figure out, Okay, we can't let him
scramble to the right. Whatever we do, just cut off
the right, yeah, okay, and make him beat us to
the left. If he beats us to the left, fine,
we got to take away his first and second option,
force him to get to number three.
Speaker 5 (30:36):
That kind of thing.
Speaker 9 (30:36):
We got to eliminate some of that space in the
pocket and eliminate some of these quick throws for him
so he doesn't get off to such a hot start.
It's fun, though, Oh it's awesome. I'm glad football's back.
Other than I mean, what was going on on a
Tuesday at your house last night?
Speaker 5 (30:50):
You said ice creams, cigars.
Speaker 9 (30:52):
Like that's like a laundry place with scissor sharpening and pancakes.
Speaker 5 (30:56):
What is going on?
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Well, there was no game. It was just it was
it was the debate, and so I said, I don't
have anything to cover. I just want to Yeah. It
was hotly contested.
Speaker 5 (31:12):
Oh got it.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
It's just one signs blaming the moderators. The other side's halfy.
I'm not going to get into it. Oh, man, boy,
you're good at this. Appreciate it was really really good
at this. You know one of these weeks. Well, Arizona Rams,
I'm jealous of you.
Speaker 5 (31:28):
That's fun.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
That is Owen two's trouble in this league.
Speaker 5 (31:32):
Duel in the Desert big divisional matchup.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
It is now. I think mcvay's owned this one. I
think I think he's done really well in this But
you know, Owen two got ten chance to make the
playoffs and the NFC, as you know, is much better. Yeah,
there's some the bottom of the NFC is pretty small.
There's a couple of bads, but that's about it, all right.
Mark Sanchez want to thank him for stopping by today.
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
We are moving today, rolling through this show. Jmack with
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Speaker 2 (00:30):
No turns, this is the Herdline News.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
All right, Let's start with the second highest graded passer
in Week one according to Pro Football Focus. Your guy,
Sam Darnold. What a performance against that wow hopless Giants.
Nineteen to twenty four, two eight two touchdowns. I think
he started twelve for twelve something insane.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
That I made one one throw that I thought was
just He made two throws I thought were big time throws.
Nice to see him rallying here.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
And Kevin O'Connell spoke about Darnold's performance and he believes
that time that he served as a backup with Kyle
Shanahan was hugely valuable.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
I think Sam being around, you know, being around you know,
the Niners and Kyle and how he coached, you know,
that group last year.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
I think he took a lot of out of that.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
And then I think just the way he went about
the daily I really stressed to Sam throughout training camp. Uh,
you know, as we installed plays, go through a process
of how you were digesting that information, what you were
doing at night before we you know, if we gave
him information early, how he was going about trying to
be comfortable with that. That's why we do the things
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that we do to make sure he does have that confidence.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
There is such a gap in quarterback coaching in this league.
Minnesota's got it right, Rams, Niners, Kansas City, Denver. Now
I think doubt. I think Mike McCarthy does a good job.
You can't guy one with that. Cooper Cush, Aaron Rodgers,
Cooper Rush and Rogers. What like ten to twelve I
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think there's yeah, I think there's about I think that's
a good number. Ten to about ten coaches in this league.
They're just better at that. They're just better at it.
Salah and Rodgers. That's not that's not on the left.
But I do think I think there are times that
the quarterback is better than the coach, and then there
are times you have Brian day ball, who's better than
the quarterback? So I right now, Sean Payton's better than
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Bo Nicks and it's uneven. They'll get it right. But
I mean the key is if you're a defensive coach
and have a quarterback, you have to have buddies who
are OC's. You got to get along with people in
this league because if you're a defensive coach, you have
to have friends outside of your defensive social circle because
sometimes your owner's not going to pay two and a
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half million for that coordinator. That's why it's very important
because you don't get a Ben Johnson very often. You
may be a head coach for ten years and get
one great OC and if he's really great, you get
two years of him and then he take the head job.
Speaker 5 (02:59):
The head coach.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Yeah, he used to be able to keep an OC
twenty five years ago for years and years. You can't
keep everybody wants to be when the Ben Johnson stayed
and it was a huge story that he stayed.
Speaker 6 (03:08):
Very rare.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Yeah, let's go to Marvin Harrison junior colin. He had
an uneven opener.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
Shall we stay against the Bills?
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Weird targeted three times, caught one pass, for four yards down.
He was very wide open late in the game, Kyler
missed him. Kyler a lot of checkdowns, didn't want to
go deep down the field. OC Drew Petzing said the
plan is to get more of the ball more, but
that he takes responsibility for the lack of targets.
Speaker 7 (03:35):
You know, I really try to stress with Kyler's like
it's not his job to get certain people the ball
or worry about how a guy's doing in the flow
of the game. Certainly gonna He's on the forefront of
our mind terms of getting into the ball, and I
think they did some good things to take him away,
and certainly could have called some plays differently to try
to get him a little bit more involved early.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
But I thought it was a good start. Yeah, I
don't know. You know, Harrison, Randy Moss, and Calvin Johnson
of the best college receivers I've ever seen. Harrison's in
a small group of third best. He's not a burner.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Well, I was gonna bring up the I'm sure you
saw the numbers floating around today. They looked at the
next gen stats for wide receiver speed and Marvin Harrison was.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Like dead last. Well, he's not a burner. He's not
justin Jefferson. That's not what he is. What he is
is a big target, great hands, good routes.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
So what can he be Mike Evans. I don't think
he's gonna be Mike Evans.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Mike Evans is good. No, I think I got the
Hall of Fame. Well, I think he is Mike Evans.
I think that's a good comp.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
I mean, I liked him a lot. Mike Evans came
out of the gate and it was dominant.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Well, Roma Dundee didn't get any catches either, he got
one catch.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
I don't think people thought of him in the Marvin Harrison.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Class, didn't they. Well people, I think people were saying
that Neighbors was better than Harrison. I didn't agree, but
that's what they said.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
I thought that was junk to I don't know. I
like Harrison a lot, but that Kyler wasn't looking to him.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Dude, he likes.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
He seems to like Dorch, the kid who makes a
lot of plays. He seems to love Dorch. He likes
Trey mc bride.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
George is good. Marvin Harrison is you might use him,
I don't know. And by the way, the Rams corners
were all beat up last week. I'm not sure if
they're back. If they're not, Mark Sanchez has that Arizona
Rams game, which is a great game because Rams, I mean,
usually you take the Rams, but they are their offensive
line is a mess, and now they'll pooka for a month.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
So they won the Super Bowl and then everybody who
was hurt. The next year they go to the playoffs,
and now early everybody's already hurt. Like the final story
is I hate to end on our negative note, but
the Carolina Panthers, oh boy, what a disaster. I mean,
Bryce Young was horrific, thirteen of thirty colin one hundred
and sixty one yards, two picks with sack four times.
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First year head coach Dave Kanalis, who was supposed to
resurrect Young, took the blame for Young in the team's performance.
Speaker 8 (05:44):
It's both, but honestly, it's on the coaching staff.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
It's on us.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
We sat there like we were sitting ducks.
Speaker 8 (05:50):
We didn't do enough to put our guys to give
them simpler solution in some of those and this is
one of the best third down pressure packages that you
gonna go against. We saw week one we've been against
it before. We had a plan, he had counters, so
we got out. Coach in that regard, I take that personal.
Speaker 5 (06:08):
Yeah, that was bad.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
I had a hot take on my podcast that I
think Bryce Young could be out of the league as
quickly as Josh Rosen was. Remember Josh Rosen one and
done in Arizona. He got a nibble in like Miami,
then he got a quick bite in Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
He's done.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Josh Rosen's out of the NFL. It's over.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
He had sixteen starts.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
I think we're headed that way with Bryce Young. Well,
I that doesn't bother me as much as it would
have ten years ago. I think these guys come in
with so many seven on seven camps and personal coaching.
I'm just less. You know, you go fifteen years ago,
Mark Sanchez will be on you didn't have all the
seven on seven summer stuff, the personal coaching. I'm I'm
not gonna give a quarterback the runway I did ten
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years ago.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
But here's the thing.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Bryce Young is not gonna become like a Baker Mayfield
where Baker three four teams and now he's resurrected.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
I don't see that from Bryce Young.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
We saw him way back.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Do you remember his first like training camp and he
had the oversized helmet and I was like, dude, what
he does not look like an NFL quarterback And we
got to laugh at it, joking Colin. Nothing's changed, though.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Well, here's the utter thing. He has a very smart
offensive coach. So if he can't resurrect him. You know,
like if McVeigh or Shanahan bail on a quarterback, he's
frying out the guy, right. That's why everybody likes Sam
Donald in the league because Shanahan loved him and Kevin
O'Connell loved him. So that's that's a lot of Donald's.
The affinity for Donald is because all the smart offensive
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guys are like, we think he can play. And by
the way, McVeigh liked Baker Mayfield and a lot of
offensive guys like Baker Mayfield. So if Canals can't get
him to be competent, good luck.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
By the way, Trey Lance couldn't work with Shanahan. I
tried Dallas then through five picks in a preseason game.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Like, and McCarthy is much better than we give him
credit for.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
I mean, some of these young quarterbacks, you know, you
get your chance and that's it tough.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
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Speaker 1 (08:14):
You know, it's it's always interesting to me to watch
who are broadcasters, what games they get. And I think
the Rams Arizona this week is fascinating because a it's
a rivalry game. The Rams have dominated. But Los Angeles
O line is it is a mess. I mean they're
pulling guy. I think they just pulled somebody from the
Eagles who got cut. They don't have starters. Let's bring
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in Mark Sanchez, Fox Sports NFL analysts first time this
football season. It's great to have him. I didn't mark
this down as a week before the season started, said
that game is going to be fascinating. So I want
to ask you this. I thought watching Detroit in LA
they were short bodies, and I thought when it got
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to overtime, the Rams just ran a bob. When you're
in the league as a quarterback, and now Stafford's got
no left tackle starter, the kid the other kid on
a TCU's not playing. Does it affect the way you
think as a quarterback? Get it out, get it fast?
I mean, you tell me.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
Well, I have one agree that.
Speaker 9 (09:17):
When there's that much turnover up front and like they had,
guys are suspended, guys go down, guys are injured. To
start the game, Stafford knew exactly what to do, and
that's his year upon year upon year of experience and understanding.
I don't have time to get it to three, four
and five. So if one and two aren't open, I'm
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expediting my read I'm I'm speeding up my process. And
he's able to do that because of his experience. He
put on an absolute clinic.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
It was the incredible.
Speaker 9 (09:49):
I don't know if I've seen a coordinator and quarterback
in lockstep like that in a long time. It was
the O line's held together by scotch tape, not even
and duct tape. At that point, Stafford's got a bum
ankle from getting twisted up in the game, tougher than nails.
I mean, the guy probably puts glass in his oatmeal
in the morning because he is an absolute iron man.
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But there goes Nakoua on the stretcher in the locker room,
and this dude is still dealing on throwing, both on
the road in a hostile environment, in a place he
played his whole life, his whole career before LA And
you don't think they're just they just want him to
cough it up. They just want him to make the
bad throw, make the bad decision, and he refused to
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do it. It's it was a little bit of the
antithesis of what we saw in our game with the
Bears and the Titans. Two younger guys who don't have
that experience and when things go off the rails a
little bit, they don't have that resolve yet. Now it's
a muscle that you need to stretch and you need
to exercise to be able to employ. But Matthew Stafford
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and Sean McVay were absolutely lights out. And you talk
about scheming guys to get open, you talk about you
motion pre snap alignment shifts and formation formations. Their shift
in formation playbook with motions has to be like the
cheesecake factory menu.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
I guarantee it.
Speaker 9 (11:12):
That's probably one of the hardest things to learn in
their offense because they're all over the place and to
play in that system, you got to know where to
line up and what's the play caller's purpose. I think
when you see a quarterback execute at that level with
that many issues going on around him, having to put
out fire after fire, in the middle of plays, in
between plays, getting guys lined up whatever it is, and
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still reading the defense and still delivering the ball off
your back foot like that at thirty seven years old,
escaping the pocket and still running scramble drill. You have
to understand the play caller's purpose. Why are we running
the play, what are they doing to us on defense?
How do I get out of trouble? What's my contingency plan?
It was incredible. It was one of the best performances
I've seen by him.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
You know, last year I still thought he was an
MVP candidate.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
I want to It's really interesting. I thought the three
coaches that blew me away in week one were Andy,
Shanahan and McVeagh, where I'm like, okay, they had all
summer to put this on staples. I don't know if
you can do that in week nine to ten. I
don't know if you could put the cheesecake factory menu
in So when I look at the Jets. My takeaway
was this was a big ask. I know McCaffrey didn't play,
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but Mark similarly, Miami does this too. I look at
San Francis. I try to guess play calling when I
watch a game. I look with Los Angeles, Kansas City
and San Francisco. I am lost, so Ustad McVeigh cheesecake Factory.
Is San Francisco is at the same level, because.
Speaker 9 (12:41):
Oh it's similar at the top, like that, there's more
than one play option at the beginning, guys are white
over yes, and you're making decisions before the ball snapped.
Most of the time, i'd say ninety five percent of
the time, when you have a call at run it
basically the coach calls it and you go in the huddle,
tell them what's going on, walk up to the lines, GrimAge,
and execute the play.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
That is a rarity in their systems.
Speaker 9 (13:04):
You got to go up there with multiple options, so
you've got to be able to process all that and
there's a lot of moving parts to get that done with.
With the Jets on the road, I think a lot
of it was a little bit of rust. Rogers hasn't
played in over a season. You know, it's that's part
of it. I think getting in a groove with his
players is an issue right now, and it's still so early.
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You can't write these guys off. I mean, Jamak, I
know you're just throwing people out of the league here.
Let's just put the flamethrower on a shelf. Maybe you
know what I mean. It's week one, big guy. What
do we always say week one is a dirty little
liar like your ex Okay.
Speaker 5 (13:39):
Just hang in there, hanging their patients.
Speaker 9 (13:42):
So so with with Rogers, I think part of the
other problem was, I mean, they only ran a.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
Handful of plays minutes.
Speaker 9 (13:50):
So when when you have that small of a sample size,
any negative play is amplified, magnified because you know the
drops by brief, all the fumble, the interception, It's like.
Speaker 5 (14:01):
Oh, these guys are terrible.
Speaker 9 (14:03):
Well, okay, twenty five thirty more plays and you change
the outcome of a ballgame. So the forty nine ers
just absolutely took it to them on the ground game.
Oh my god. I mean it was a teach tape
on how to rush the football and Jordan Mason was
an absolute monster. So those guys are road grading that defense.
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I think it amplified the issues they have on defensive line.
They got to get another pass rusher, they got one
waiting in the wings. What's going to happen with that
negotiation in Hassan Redick because that'll take a little pressure
off of Quentinnin Williams and Jermaine Johnson, right, Like, those
things are important. So now where does that go? You know,
does does Joe Douglas want to budget a little bit
here and say, gosh, we need somebody or you know,
(14:47):
who's leverage, who has more leverage? Now in that situation,
that's a tough one to deal with Week two now,
so I'll be curious to see how they bounce back.
But I mean, listen, one bad week on the road
across the country, getting back at seven in the morning,
going straight back into the building, getting ready for another
road trip in Tennessee. That's that's not an easy start
to the schedule. So if anybody can do it, it's
(15:07):
Aaron Rodgers. I don't want to bet against the upset
and disgruntled Aaron Rodgers. That's, you know, not the not
the wagering side I'd like to be on.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
It's interesting, I asked, Maybe it was Edelman, I asked,
somebody this week or last week about one of the
things I had sympathy for Aaron. I remember when Brady
got hurt and missed the season. I can remember the
next two years. He got pissy if you got near
his boat. Tom was in mood. He would turn and
barket officials. Yeah, and so I'm thinking Aaron's had four
(15:37):
snaps in so many years. I didn't think he was
tentative to his credit, No, but I did think he
stayed within about a four foot radius that he wasn't
quite like Stafford's not a runner, but he moves a
lot in the pocket. I did look at Aaron and think, boy,
his radius has shrunk. He didn't he wanted to sit
around for a second pitch. What did you make of it?
Speaker 9 (15:59):
I think he was doing a lot of what Stafford
was doing, and that's expediting his reads because he had
to based on the pressure he was getting, based on
how fast flow that defense is and how quickly they
were applying pressure to him. He's got to make decisions.
He's not going to just stand there and hold the ball.
That's not his game. He's gonna move on. He's gonna shuffle, move,
escape the pocket. Quickly and get rid of the football.
(16:21):
He's not gonna take the nineteen yard sack, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 5 (16:24):
That's not his thing. So he's going to stay ahead
of that.
Speaker 9 (16:27):
And some of that takes reps to actually work through
those things and kind of remind himself a little bit
about how good he is in space, in the pocket,
that short area of quickness. He's still got more than
enough of that to make this thing work.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
You know, in golf, you're as good as your confidence, right, Well,
we've seen great golfers of Greg Norman and Nick Faldo
get on a green light and you lose it the
yips they call it, with your irons. I don't know
if there's a player in the league at quarterback that
is more confident driven than Baker Mayfield. And now he's
(17:02):
in Tampa. He's got no pressure. He's the latest swashbuckling.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
Or no pressure.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Well, I mean in the world. I know, I know,
but Tommy won the trophy. He's getting. They like him,
he's their guy. There's no backup pushing him. I watch
him in Tampa and I'm like, should Cleveland should have
kept him? I mean, it is what do you make
of his rebirth because it feels better than Gino, it
feels stronger than Derek Carr. I watch him Sunday and
(17:29):
I'm like, he is Dylan.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
I think it's situational.
Speaker 9 (17:33):
I think the confidence that the team and the organization
has publicly expressed, excuse me, in him.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
He feeds off of that. You're right, he does enjoy
that and he rides that wave.
Speaker 9 (17:45):
But he's also developed into a guy that you know
isn't as reckless with the football. You don't see quite
as many extended plays that get little sideways. The nineteen
yard sack once again. I mean, if you're gonna do that,
that's an absolute drive killer. The chair nances of you
converting on that drive after taking that big of a
loss are infinitesimal, right, So you gotta move on, cutbait
(18:08):
and move on with your life. Continue to stack good plays,
get me out of bad place. You're gonna get fifteen
ish third downs a game, eight of them. You're gonna
get exactly what you're expecting. You should have one, two,
three balls got to come out. If you got to
check it down, check it down. But those seven five
to seven third downs where you've got to make great
decisions with the football in your hand. Remember that's the aspirations,
(18:31):
hopes and dreams of the entire franchise that you control
every snap if you can make those great decisions in
those crunch time moments, in the split second it takes
to say yes or no on a throw.
Speaker 5 (18:42):
Do I cut this ball loose? Do I chance it?
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Will?
Speaker 9 (18:46):
Levis up seventeen, you know, up a point late in
the game, You know what I mean? Like those kind
of play That has to be the decision making and
the discernment that you need to keep your team in
the game, keep them in it till the fourth core.
Then when it's time to cut it loose, it's fourth down,
you gotta throw the Hail Mary whatever. Okay, that's fine,
but until then you better be sharp with your decision
(19:08):
making or else you're gonna give the game away. And
a lot of these games are they're lost?
Speaker 5 (19:12):
Not one? All right?
Speaker 1 (19:13):
He Mark brings tape Caleb Williams, will Levis.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
I can't wait.
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Speaker 1 (20:14):
Mark Sanchez rams Cardinals for Eastern on Fox. Very interesting
for West Coast viewers. So I had said last week
Tennessee was one of my picks of the week last week,
and I said, listen three times at college Caleb completed
under fifty eight percent of his throws. He was fifty
percent in pre season. I like him, but with the
gms I talked to all pointed to one thing. He
(20:37):
has erratic accuracy and they'd feel better if it was
an offensive culture of Mcbeyah Shanahan, Kevin O'Connell to pull
him back into the fairway. Historically, Chicago's defensive coaches defensive culture.
So the concern is he's a little inconsistent on accuracy.
So when I watched the Tennessee game, it's hard the
(20:57):
pass rush roma Donze's a rookie. I don't want to
be too judgmental. A little concerning for me. He missed
a couple open guys, So you have teach me something.
Speaker 5 (21:08):
Yeah, so are we do? You want to start with
Levis or.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Kel, start with Caleb?
Speaker 9 (21:12):
Yeah, that's find me. So I think one of the
things understanding the big picture is what Stafford did so
well the other night, right understanding what his limitations were
personnel wise, up front, understanding what the defense is doing
to him, and that comes with time. Your first game
as a rookie at home, the weight of the world
is on your shoulders. You got to be Sid Luckman,
(21:34):
you got to be Jim McMahon. I mean, jeez, Louis.
It's there's a lot going into it. So your ability
to lock in and focus is based on a plan.
Knowing who you're going against who's who's my opponent? What
do they do well? Denard Wilson, the defensive coordinator from
the Tennessee Titans. It's his first year coordinating, but you
couldn't tell. I mean, it looked great what he had,
But you know he's a pressure guy. He was under
(21:55):
Greg Williams for a while. That's like one of his mentors.
What does Greg Williams do? They call him doctor Heat
for a reason. He's gonna light you up, and he's
gonna bring looks that you've never seen, unscouted stuff. It's
week one. You better have your head on a swivel
and be ready to put out some fires and have
a contingency plan. So what does that look like? I
need three options for all out pressure or uncomfortable looks
(22:17):
where I can just spit the ball out a couple
of them. I want to be able to motion somebody down,
block it up, and if they fool me and back.
Speaker 5 (22:25):
Out of there, I check it down and move on.
Speaker 9 (22:27):
And if they do, bring the house and I got
it blocked up and it's one on one downfield, go
gash them. Go make them pay for trying to take
your head off, right, that's how you got to approach
this thing. But I need at least three options. So
when you watch this tape, they're gonna get to an
empty formation. They're gonna motion Travis Homer out of the backfield.
There goes Kenneth Murray to guard them, so you know
it's man and man across the board. Now my problem
(22:48):
area is gonna.
Speaker 5 (22:49):
Be up top.
Speaker 9 (22:49):
You see these guys five for five matching everybody, but
up top they got a nickel over number three, Gerald
Everett and a safety behind him.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
That's where my attention should be. On the left.
Speaker 9 (22:59):
That's my problem. It's two for two down here. I'm
not worried about down here. So what does Denard Wilson do.
He brings the nickel off the top, drops their two
best pass rushers into the void that they're leaving. By
bringing that nickel to ruin, Caleb shot to throw it
quickly to the right, and his eyes are clearly to
the right. He's looking at Keenan right away. So now
it gets him late to the backside, where I don't
(23:20):
believe you should be throwing an inside slot fade as
a second read.
Speaker 5 (23:25):
That's an alert. I want your eyes there.
Speaker 9 (23:26):
I want you to see the relationship, especially with the
pocket that clean. You gotta set into that throw and
see that. The only thing I don't want you watching
on an inside slot fade is if you're holding that
free safety. I'm holding the safety and then I'm getting
a feel for that relationship with my slot receiver and
the defender over him.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
Is there space? Is he out running them? Do I
put it right on him?
Speaker 9 (23:48):
Because the DB's over the top, he can't figure that out,
and he's reacting and throwing at the same time. I
think a lot of this is the starting point of
his eyes and then his drop integrity. He gets a
little shuffley at the top of his drop and it's
not defined if it's a five step I want to
see five steps. Hit your back foot, quick reset ball out.
That will help his accuracy down the field. But if
(24:09):
you're going to react and throw and kind of shuffle
off your back foot and launch it up in the air,
your accuracy is just gonna plumb it exactly right. But
so here's you know, when you watch tape of him
and you watch that high end zone clip, the eye
in the sky never lies. The stripe on your helmet
will tell me the story of your eyes. If you
don't have the stripe, those two c's on the side
of his helmet. The details are in that logo.
Speaker 5 (24:32):
Right. If I see both logos.
Speaker 9 (24:34):
On a bunch of plays in a row, my man's
looking at too much stuff, right, There's too much going on.
And that was Denard Wilson's plan. Make him think at
the end of this game. If I'm Denard Wilson, I'm
happy flying home on that plane.
Speaker 5 (24:46):
If Caleb's brain.
Speaker 9 (24:47):
Is completely scrambled, that's my end goal because if he scrambled,
he doesn't know where to go with the football. If
you don't know where to go with the football. We
got him right, and that's essentially the situation they put
him in. And it was tough to watch because he's
so talented and he's gonna get there. He's gonna figure
this out. This is one of the best learning experiences
for him because they got the w right. Usually you
(25:09):
play like that and win a game, no chance. Right,
I've literally done it. I've thrown three picks and won
a game because our defense was awesome.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Right.
Speaker 9 (25:19):
They kept getting us the ball back and I'd give
it right back away. And it's these lessons are hard
to learn, but it takes the sting out of it
a little bit when you win the game.
Speaker 5 (25:27):
So bottom line.
Speaker 9 (25:28):
Is he picked up the w which is really hard
to come by, especially the way he played. So now,
what how do you move on? How do you get
better from this? And I really think it's the starting
point of his eyes. Just get off on the right foot.
Just start me off in the right direction with my
eyes and then define those drops because that'll help with
his timing and his accuracy.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Okay, Will Levis Yeah to me, I'll just tell you
what my take is. He's a bit mechanical, not quite
fluid enough, very mechanical, very ripped. I wish he was
a little looser. But this whatever, that's just my you know,
don't know what I'm talking about. View. What does the
tape say? What did he struggle with most?
Speaker 4 (26:02):
You know?
Speaker 9 (26:02):
I think for Will that was his tenth start he
had nine last year, And I think one of the
biggest takeaways from him is the big picture view. I
want him to understand the aerial view of the parade.
I want him to get that ingrained in his brain
because when you jump out to a seventeen point lead,
on the road with a rookie quarterback on the other side,
(26:23):
feeling the boo birds of Chicago coming out and booing
them like crazy. I mean, dude, this is the chant.
Hey kick that thing into cruise control. Give me fifty
five miles an hour middle lane of the highway. No
risk right now, absolutely no risk. No need to attack
this thing. If they give you a perfect look and
somebody's wide open, heck, yes, man, cut it loose and
(26:46):
be you go handle it.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
But there's no need to put the ball in harm's way.
Speaker 9 (26:50):
So when you watch his first play, they're doing a
similar thing, using motion to try and get a good
look at the defense.
Speaker 5 (26:57):
Clear up the picture.
Speaker 9 (26:58):
Nobody runs with them. You know you're gonna get some
sort of zone. They got a nickel and Kyler Gordon
on the snap over. Calvin Ridley pressed up. He's got
blitz eyes looking inside. Boom, there comes the pressure. Will
Levis is looking at Calvin Ridley for a quick answer
to get this ball out now. I'm not sitting in
their meetings. I don't know what they're hot in sight
structure is, but that's an easy outlet right there.
Speaker 5 (27:20):
Get rid of it.
Speaker 9 (27:21):
They do an excellent job up front of bringing the
pressure from the right side with these three players and
then having Edwards over the guard. Edward's over the guard,
keeps the guard inside to get the free runner, and
then he pops out. That ball's got to come out
to Ridley before Edwards makes a play. He bluffs the
blitz and gets out to cover. Now Levis feels the
(27:43):
pressure has to drift to the left Seese. This guy
he's not open. He wants to throw it. He wants
to throw He even pumps it for a second.
Speaker 5 (27:49):
Right there.
Speaker 9 (27:49):
You fall down, You fall down this extra ugh, I
gotta make the play.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
I got it.
Speaker 9 (27:55):
You're up a point. These guys are already coming back.
The momentum is starting to shift. Don't let that defense
who's a bouquet of you know, Venus fly traps. They
led the league in interceptions last year. They were number
one against the run. I mean, don't even give him
a chance to come back in this game. You're already
owning the ballgame. That's the big picture view. I want
(28:18):
him to get to and if he can eliminate that
and the drive with the kick field goal, pat punt
right there, Just punt.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
Move on with your life. Cut bait and let's go.
Speaker 9 (28:26):
But that that's going to be crucial because he's got
to understand what wins games, but he also has to
understand what loses games.
Speaker 5 (28:32):
That can lose a game quickly.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Miller Moss, you see now you know him because of
high school in southern California, which you know, the litany
of schools. Sure, I said this a couple of weeks ago,
that kid on platform, moving right, just short screens. He
is accurate. Absolutely, this looks like a real name.
Speaker 5 (28:56):
It looks like you know.
Speaker 9 (28:58):
Conversely to what we just mentioned, Will Levis, like, I
think he really does get the big picture.
Speaker 5 (29:03):
He's not the most athletic guy.
Speaker 9 (29:04):
No, he doesn't have the biggest arm, so he is forced,
right that necessity breeds these kind of things, right, He
has to find a way to get completions, to steal
completions from the pocket, and he can't run around all
game and look for the guy in street ball and
whatever like that's not his game. So he's got to
understand leverage, spatial awareness, anticipation because he doesn't have the
(29:29):
cannon for an arm that I see him open, I
see him open, foom and add a little extra juice
on the football to get it before the window closes
to complete the ball. So because of that, you can
tell he's a very cerebral point guard that can distribute
and gets the big picture why we're running these plays
where my potential issues are. Now, it's only been a
(29:50):
two game sample. They got a bye week and then
they go to Michigan, So Michigan's not going to be
happy obviously, after they got smacked a little bit week one.
That's gonna be a tough place to play. There's a
lot of things that's still come into play that way,
but for the most part, everything I've seen has been
nails and they're looking up. I think he kind of
got the benefit of the doubt of flying under the
(30:10):
radar a little bit. You know, he's not Caleb, so
he could kind of you know, sit back, relax, expect
surprise some people.
Speaker 5 (30:17):
But there's tape out now.
Speaker 9 (30:18):
You know, these these defensive coordinators, they live to ruin
your game day, so they're gonna be standing up all
night trying to figure out, Okay, we can't let him
scramble to the right. Whatever we do, just cut off
the right, yeah, okay, and make him beat us to
the left. If he beats us to the left, fine,
we got to take away his first and second option,
force him to get to number three.
Speaker 5 (30:36):
That kind of thing.
Speaker 9 (30:36):
We got to eliminate some of that space in the
pocket and eliminate some of these quick throws for him
so he doesn't get off to such a hot start.
It's fun, though, Oh it's awesome. I'm glad football's back.
Other than I mean, what was going on on a
Tuesday at your house last night?
Speaker 5 (30:50):
You said ice creams, cigars.
Speaker 9 (30:52):
Like that's like a laundry place with scissor sharpening and pancakes.
Speaker 5 (30:56):
What is going on?
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Well, there was no game. It was just it was
it was the debate, and so I said, I don't
have anything to cover. I just want to Yeah. It
was hotly contested.
Speaker 5 (31:12):
Oh got it.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
It's just one signs blaming the moderators. The other side's halfy.
I'm not going to get into it. Oh, man, boy,
you're good at this. Appreciate it was really really good
at this. You know one of these weeks. Well, Arizona Rams,
I'm jealous of you.
Speaker 5 (31:28):
That's fun.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
That is Owen two's trouble in this league.
Speaker 5 (31:32):
Duel in the Desert big divisional matchup.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
It is now. I think mcvay's owned this one. I
think I think he's done really well in this But
you know, Owen two got ten chance to make the
playoffs and the NFC, as you know, is much better. Yeah,
there's some the bottom of the NFC is pretty small.
There's a couple of bads, but that's about it, all right.
Mark Sanchez want to thank him for stopping by today.
(31:55):
Joel Clatt, Danny Parkins, we will see you tomorrow on
a Thursday, live in Los Angeles as hits the Herd.
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