December 10, 2024 • 31 mins
Hall of Famer Michael Irvin joins the show to dispel rumors about Miami QB Cam Ward and give his thoughts on the Eagles drama between QB Jalen Hurts and WR AJ Brown
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
He is ready to go.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
You're crazy college college dude. Man, He's funny.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
I'm just sorry.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Listen, you got got a lot of connections. You're giving
a commencement speech at Miami.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
I am now.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Dure is gonna go number one in the draft?
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Yes, yes, I love Shador and he and he deserves
to be number one. He's a hell of a quarterback.
But Cam Wore deserves to be number one.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Two.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
A lot of backyard football, there were there was talk
that maybe his personality cams and the cam.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
What, there's what.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
There are people that are saying he's edgy and he's
not for everybody.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Listen, you know what, this retrips me out. Man.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
Every time we get to this place, all these other
things start falling off people's lips. You know what I'm saying,
This man right here. This man has done a hell
of a job showing you that he has the ability
to do with whatever you need him to do in
any situation. Big arm, big player, poised.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
You see it.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
You see some Patrick Mahomee's stuff in him too. Nobody
ever says that. Nobody ever says that I see it
in him also. And now all of this stuff is
starting to come out. I don't know about who's saying
all this stuff. I spent every week in with him. Okay,
So if a man's opinion, it is only as good
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as his knowledge based on the subject. Jake, take ye,
what I say to the over, what they say to
the couse. They are just running the radio, that's all.
They don't know what they're talking about. This dude's a
great dude, a great leader, a great leader.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
You're edgy, so you may like edgy.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Edg edg edgy? What is edgy? What is edgy?
Speaker 4 (02:20):
First of all, in order to be edgy, somebody had
to put the line at edge and said, if you
go over, this is U edgy. Who the hell put
the line out of edge to say I'm edgy and
you not.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
I'm not into these things, man, I am.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Not bound or strapped with these things that the world
gets strapped with.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
I heard somebody say that Cam Warwick was being greeted
in the portal, right, greed, let me listen. Listen.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
In order for somebody to be greeted, that means someone
else has set a line.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
On what he is worth.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
So what they're really saying, the anonymous sources, what they're
really saying is, oh, we we thought he was worth this, but.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
He came in all shit, did it? I ingreed it?
Speaker 4 (03:10):
And he wanted this really, but he showed you this
year that he was that that he was asking for.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
The man is a heighs P Trophy final.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
I don't traffic in rumors, but I have a source
told me he's an edgy kid. Some may be put
off by that edgy, but like, to your point, what
does that mean?
Speaker 4 (03:35):
And it takes let me take them to until you
got some insie. This This is why And I was
just saying this to these guys, This is why I
love these top quarterbacks. A lot of times we wonder, yeah,
you have physical skill sets, you can play the game,
but can you be can you be in the game
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in the game as big as I don't know what
and still play at the level that you the game
when the game wasn't that big. It's can you play
a certain way all the time, no matter what. And
I'm gonna tell you the best thing about a Shador
Sanders in a cam Ward Sadur because he's Dion's Sun.
He's been around it all his life. But Cam because
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he's at Miami and all of this noise right now,
all of this vibration, the mess right now is because
of what he's done at Miami. So I'm telling you
these two guys, because of where they come from is
what I like to call.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
They already pressure cooked for the NFL.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
If you know what I'm saying, press cooker, and they
know how to perform. And when people go in pressure
cookers and know how to perform, people for that don't
know starts saying, ooh, he's too edgy.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
I am glad case closed. Then you sold me.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
I just bring stuff out here. I don't trap nonsense.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Okay, I appreciate you not trafficking and nonsense. I said,
See that's what I talk about right there. Now, that's
a gift right there. Colin put that thing in the
ether and disclaimed it at the same damn time.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
I love you, buddy, special buddy.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Okay, how about this?
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Okay, you see, I never looked at you as a diva.
I looked at you. My take was you and ache
Bananama were the heart of it. And by the way,
you wanted the damn ball right okay, and you were
one of the only guys in your ear that was
like all over the middle and take shots. I don't care,
so that doesn't bother me. What bothers me? And I
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also think receivers want the ball that doesn't. It doesn't
bother me. I got a little issue with the Eagles
with a quarterback that's not and they've said, listen, we're
a Barkley led team. We're not gonna give you fourteen
targets like Jamar Chase. We're gonna give you seven. And
they're winning, Mike, They've won like nine ten in a row.
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I don't love what aj Brown's doing here. If the
stories are true from Brandon Graham where he and Jalen Hurts, Okay,
here's here's the Brandon Graham sound.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
I want you to listen to Brandon Graham.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
I don't know the whole story.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
But I know that one is trying to and I
mean eleven, to be a little better with how he
responds to things. And they was friends before this. It's like, man,
but things have changed. And I understand that because life happens.
But we gotta it's the business side that we have
to make sure that we don't let.
Speaker 6 (06:44):
The personal get in the way of the business.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
And that's what we got to do better as right
now because we.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Know it's the issue.
Speaker 6 (06:52):
Everybody's seeing with some things, but.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
We need to be able to talk talk things out
as men.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Okay, So so it does.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Again, I understand some noise. I forever defended Stevon Diggs,
but I do think that it's very intentional.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Michael.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
The staff of the Eagles think Saquon's how they're going
to roll. That's their run team first, right. You tell me,
is AJ have a point?
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Well, well, everybody has a point.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
But just because you have a point doesn't mean it's
time to deliver it anywhere into everybody.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
AJ has a point.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
There are things that are going on within the passing
game that that they that they need to work on
and they need to fix. And here's my thing, here's
my thing, here's my thing. We have to look deeper
into this. Why would Aj say this to us? Looked
a little calculating even the drop, like he knew he
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was going to do this if this continued, said to
the media. Now I talked about this yesterday. I said,
I wonder who's talking about? Is he talking to the
quarterback or is he talking at the head coach? And
maybe are the play caller Kellen Moore? You guys got
to call some plays to get me some passes or
here or is it is inefficient? And if he's shit
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at the quarterback? You see what I mean? Who is
he talking about?
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Now? This just told me who he was talking about.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
This just told me so obviously there's one in eleven
that they have a problem. But the other problem that
comes with that, if he is talking about it now
on TV, do A J. Brown think? Does he think,
oh it's one plus his coach? Because I'm not even
getting a call. And I understand from that perspective. Do
you watch your Mark Chase last night? They were throwing
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him smoke routes. It takes nothing to throw a smoke route.
Nothing That means you just run a little and I'm
gonna just stand there. I'm gonna throw you the ball.
You go run with it. Three either throw one or
two or those whenever he has man and man coverage
out there to start the game, to get him involved.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
I'm right.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
I'm with him on what he's saying about that get
me in the game so I can use my energy
to help you instead of using that energy against you.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Brady used to say that Tom liked to get his
receivers going so right in the game.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
Right, try try to do that with you, right, Yes,
and Troy, But Troy did that with me.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
But if Troy didn't, I would never do this after
we get a win.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
I don't mind. I want you to want the ball.
I'd rather have you want the ball than not want
the ball. I'd rather push, pull.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
You back and try to say, God, dage that damn
ball you.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
See where the man, rather pull you back. I want
all of that, but I want you to know when
and how to put that out. This is the reason
I say ten and one last year then went one
and six. Something fell apart in that locker room.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Something fell apart. We were one with your one week
past that moment.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
Why are you bringing this back up, which brings back up,
which opens back up the case for everybody to bring
back that stuff, and now you gotta deal with it
all over again. When you're coming off a big win
like that, it's just not the time. I love great fighters,
but I love when you know who and we to fight,
and that wasn't the time.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Very well done.
Speaker 7 (10:08):
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Speaker 1 (10:16):
Chicago Bears are dysfunctional. Now, I would argue that if
you're a dysfunctional franchise, and not all teams are dysfunctional,
that need a coach. Kansas City wasn't dysfunctional. They wanted
Andy Reid, but they were a well run, well done organization.
They just wanted a better coach. Detroit needed a culture changer.
Chargers needed a culture changer. Bears need a culture changer.
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I think Rabel and Brian Flores are my two choices.
Is there somebody out there you like?
Speaker 7 (10:46):
Well?
Speaker 4 (10:47):
I always say, now, is this has to be? Depending
on what I see the rest of this year. With
Caleb Williams in the next four games, five games whatever
we have left in the office coordinator right now that
they are summers brown. Because if I see any kind
of real progress and something, I said, oh, let me
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write this out. Because a few games he looked pretty
good and then he you know, had a little slipping
from Mike Caleb. So so if I see that, then
I got some leeway because I can go look at
the Rabels and all of these guys and get that
stability and have some form of stability with my young
quarterback at least the same system. So we can see
growth from year one to year two. That's the biggest
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growth you got in the NFL. I don't necessarily want
to start him back over with year one again and
a whole new.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Offense with a whole new system.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
So if I see great growth in these next few weeks,
then I can do a defensive coach.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
I can go in that route to give you that stability.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
But if I don't, then I'm going to go an
offensive coach, so I can give him the total power
over the organization because he and the offensive coach are
connected and their success shall be connected, and they'll have
a different approach to that game.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
So you the best coach you ever had.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Is one of the few coaches in the history of
football that was great at college and is a pro coach,
Jimmy Johnson. As you know, it's usually an either or situation.
Some guys can't recruit, some guys aren't good enough scheme.
Jimmy was good at both.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
He knew the personnel side, he knew the scheme side.
So Belichick.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Now he's got a new man, he's got a young girlfriend,
he's got a son coaching at Washington that he wants
to be a coach. Does he really want a coach
or is it about getting his son the job? Would
you hire him? What do you expect?
Speaker 2 (12:44):
What do you make of this story?
Speaker 4 (12:46):
There's no doubt coach wants to coach, you know what
I mean, and can coach, and one of the greatest
coaches of all time.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
And no one can ever take that from coach.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
But you know that the current landscape of college football
is a lot different then even when Jimmy was in college.
You know, so much different right then, You know, Jimmy
can really use the hammer to keep you a line.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Now, guy's leaving a minute.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
You can't what man? I mean?
Speaker 4 (13:12):
You leave it a minute and you come down on
these guys so tough and hard guys's good in the portal.
There is no problem with you'll be playing next year.
You'll be playing. You know what I mean when we
were in school that you can you're not going anywhere.
And if you're not here, you're not anywhere. So if
you're not here, you're back at the ghetto. Coach, I'm
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gonna do whatever you tell me. I'm not going about
the ghetto. You see what I mean is different now
in these guys getting paid. I just don't know if
coach has the time to counsel, and that's what it's
going to take. That's what make Dion so great in college.
He's really a mentor coaching. Coach is a coach that
has forced the mentor. And you know, a mentor coaching
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that this is his this is his world. But a
coach forced the men because you got to go and
mentor those guys out of the porter before you even
mentor them own the team and all of these things.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Man, it's it's a lot.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
It's a lot dealing with kids in there, and I
just think it's it's it's, yeah, that's not what coach
want to be doing.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
He wants to coach football.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Finally, let's let's go back to something we discussed now.
I think Dion has been successful for a lot of reasons.
Colorado's a bottom ten to fifteen job in the sport.
He's made them relevant. He's putting guys in the pros.
They may have the top two draft picks. He's made
them cool. There's a lot of wins here. I didn't
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know how it would work. My take was we talked
Colorado with Dion. I think he's been committed. I think
he's been tremendous. I watched the Cowboys give away another
game last night on some coaching snaffoos on the block punt.
I just want to say, I'm gonna ask the question,
you are friends with important people. Do you believe because
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you have said Dion would be interested. Jerry is more
loyal then people give him credit for. If Dallas wins out,
are we sure Mike McCarthy's gone.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Jerry's loyal, he is.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
He is, and and I'm very troy he recently talking
about it and saying, you know, Mike McCarthy, you're not
sure Mike McCarthy will be gone, and Jerry is loyal
and and that's one of the best things I love
about him, trust me.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Trust me, that's one of the best things that I
love about him. That he is loyal giving, loyal to
a fault, loyal to a fault. And you know what
I mean. But but.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
You know, you you look at what I'm talking about here,
at what you If you can find another good receiver,
you can put him in this mix and you see
what receive what Rams are doing with the Rams as
did to a top team like the Bills because they
got that Cooper Pookah pooka Cooper thing going, you know,
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to number one reason And and well, well, let me
tell you. When you have those two number one receivers,
you can have an average back or you go out
and still get real good traction because coverage is.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Going to have to back the hell up.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Nobody can cheat.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
We you just talked about the Philadelphia Eagles, and you
gave it all to Saquon Barklay.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
But take them to beasts off the can end.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
Take take a b out and you take Devontae Smith
out and watch all them safeties drop down in that
box and you see Saquon gonna be doing the same
thing he was doing in New York. Let's be real here, y'all,
y y'all, you see how this thing works, you know
what I mean? These things have to work together. You
can't separate them like that. So yeah, Dallas can have
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a shot if they can find another number one receiver
right now. But you gotta bring and you got it.
The problem is if you keep Mike McCarthy, then you
gotta go get me somebody that's so tough that what
somebody else to give me hope that these things can
be different. Nobody's saying Mike McCarthy is not a good coach.
I'm just saying it dampens the hope when we do
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this again after seeing the results over the last ten
four years. Hope's hopes everything. Hope would dictate effort from everybody.
Always say that hope dictates effort. Give me a little hope,
you get a little effort, you know what.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
That's a great way to put it.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
And I am glad that you clear the air with
these unsubstantiated reward rumors.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
That we won't be using, that we will not be
a part of that clickbait mess.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
We would not, we would not be a part of that.
I appreciate to give me the room to clear day
I do.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
The great playmaker Michael Irvin always welcome on this show,
and he's getting ready for that commencement speet in Miami.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Oh yeah, I get ready for that. I'm looking forward to.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Oh You're gonna be great.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
You believe that I get to do it.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
I do believe that because if you look at your life,
it has not been linear. It has had turbulence right right.
But by the way, you don't love turbulence, but you've
encounter right, right, and you've overcome it.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
And it's part of all of our journeys. That's right.
It's part of all of our journeys.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
So and since we all got to go in them,
let's go in them and learn something to figure out
what to do when we come out of them and
where to go to. That's what we do.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Michael Irvin.
Speaker 7 (18:42):
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Speaker 2 (18:49):
Lively show today. A lot of things going on. Cowboys
last night, mess it up. It's do we have that play?
Speaker 1 (18:57):
I talked about this earlier. I want to address this
one more time before I go to herd line news
that it's easy to always blame the players for not
knowing the rules. I get that, and they do account
for a lot of the culpability. But I also think
coaching matters, and that especially players that are like sometimes
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special teamers and then their backups were other places. So
that block punt, Let's play the blocked punt again by
the Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
All right, here's the punt by Ryan Rachel. It is blocked.
Speaker 7 (19:33):
Got it.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
The Bengals.
Speaker 8 (19:37):
You're gonna have the bone.
Speaker 6 (19:38):
No, you can't touch it. That did not just happen.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
That did just happen.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
So again, if you block a punt and it goes
past the line of scrimmage, then it's just a punt
and you have to stay away unless you get a
clean look and nobody is around you. So there is
no partially blocked punt. Once it's blocked and it goes
past the line. Special teams co whiches have to constantly
remind players it's a punt. Treat it like a punt.
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There are other plays that happen a lot that drive
me nuts. This one is very infrequent and it is
a special teams play, but there are a couple of
plays that drive me nuts in the NFL that happen
all the time, virtually every weekend, and I just don't
think there's any excuse for it. One of them is
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Miami does a lot of backwards passing to like a
Tyreek Hill or a running back, and if a ball
is thrown backwards, it's a live ball. Tyreek Hill has
to know better that is a live ball. Always assume
it's a backward pass. If it's on the ground, get
on it. Tyreek's been in this league too long, do
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not know that you have to just assume it's backward pass.
The other one is when a receiver catches a ball
and is not touched by a defensive back, he can
get up and run. Plexico Burris forgot it was still
a live play that happens every weekend. So those I
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am less willing to give a pass to a special
teams play because it's so infrequent. And you know, a
lot of guys are sometimes part time special teamers. You
bring them from the scout team. They're not regulars, but there.
It is one of those things that all this stuff
happens more frequently than you would suspect, and You can
blame the player, but the coaches. This is the difference
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between elite coaching and average coaching.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
J Mack with a.
Speaker 6 (21:34):
News no turns, this is the herdline news.
Speaker 9 (21:40):
Let's start with Sam Darnold, who is just on fire
right now, three hundred and forty seven yards passing a
career high against the Falcons, plus five touchdowns.
Speaker 6 (21:51):
Colin, it's weird we're heading into week.
Speaker 9 (21:54):
Fifteen and the Vikings have got had any discussions about
a long term contract for Darnald. I know they did
just aft JJ McCarthy obviously, but Darnald is making ten
million dollars on what's called a prove it deal.
Speaker 6 (22:05):
He's clearly proven it.
Speaker 9 (22:07):
I'm curious, what do you think happens to Donald who,
by the way, sixty eight percent completions, twenty eight touchdowns,
career high and passer rating basically, Well, Kevin O'Connell has
turned him into like a really good quarterback.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Well, Kevin O'Connell won a bunch of games with Kirk Cousins,
In won a game with Josh Dobbs with no practice. Yes,
so he's obviously a pretty magical coach. They brought in
Daniel Jones and they have JJ McCarthy. That signals to
me that's what they're going into camp with. But my
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take is to a franchise Donald, so you can trade
him eventually. Do you just let him walk off an
MVP level season? That would be very difficult for me.
And I also think Donald's somebody that he's just now
getting into his prime. He's got at least five good
prime years left. Daniel Jones is a project and I
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never saw him as a first round quarterback talent. I
think he's a very good backup. JJ McCarthy is a
first round talent. Many believe that. Most believe that, but
he's coming off a second surgery for the meniscus, So
I I just would not want Sam to walk and
go to a rival. But I think Kevin O'Connell is
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so confident in his abilities that he may be willing
to do that. And the Daniel Jones acquisition signals.
Speaker 6 (23:31):
That, Yeah, you mentioned that Donald's having an MVP season.
You know who was an MVP.
Speaker 9 (23:35):
Candidate last year? It was a small sample sized Kirk Cousins.
Remember how he was cooking eighteen touchdowns and five picks.
He was putting up massive numbers before the Achilles injury.
You start to wonder, heez, can O'Connell do this with anybody?
And if that's the case, I think you just let
Darnald walk Colin. The problem is, where's Donald gonna land.
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He's gonna probably get a Baker Mayfield type thirty million
dollar deal, maybe thirty five.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Let's just assume the Raiders and the Giants take cam
Ward and should do it. Okay, Let's assume that the
next best quarterback on the market is Sam Donald. Oh,
he's much more athletic, bigger, stronger than Derek Carr.
Speaker 9 (24:15):
Maybe it's situational, but let's pick a team and then say,
would you rather have I don't know, Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 8 (24:23):
No, Drew not true?
Speaker 6 (24:26):
Do I keep saying that Derek Carr, Sam Donald? Sam?
What if the Falcons lose Kirk.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Cousins the New York Sam Donald is more athletic than Cousins,
Aaron Rodgers and Derek Carr Today?
Speaker 6 (24:41):
Would you take Donald over Gino Smith in Seattle? Yep, Oh,
that's surprise.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
I think he's number one in the market after Schado
and cam Ward, and then I think number four maybe
Jalen Milroe Alabama.
Speaker 6 (24:56):
But it better because Donald's great, or because Kevin.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
The Giant and the Raiders are presumably gonna get shadouur
in cam they're good prospects.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
So those Giants and Raiders are done.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
The question becomes, who's the best quarterback after the two
college kids? Is that Jalen Milrow, Aaron Rodgers, Derek Carr
or Donald?
Speaker 9 (25:19):
Let the answer and their new coach are going to
target a quarterback because it looks like it's o.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Sam Donald is a bigger, stronger, more athletic Derek ca.
Speaker 9 (25:27):
All I know is if they hired let's just say
the Saints hired Rabel. I don't want to hear about
Sam Donald going of Rabel.
Speaker 6 (25:31):
And shining like he is down.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Okay, he's not going.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
He needs an offensive guy, I agree, And he doesn't
get Justin Jefferson anywhere else.
Speaker 6 (25:38):
Or Jordan Adison or Hawkinson. You know, like I like Donald.
He's had a great season.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
I don't.
Speaker 7 (25:43):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (25:44):
Next up is the Miami.
Speaker 9 (25:45):
Dolphins, whose playoff hopes are alive barely after beating my Jets.
Speaker 6 (25:49):
Thank goodness, they did that in overtime on Sunday.
Speaker 9 (25:53):
Miami's two games out of the final wildcard spot Tyreek
Hill said after the game that their ot victory was
definitely a winner home situation.
Speaker 8 (26:01):
Everybody knew what was at stake at that moment. We
know if we lose, you know, it's over. Our season
is over. And unfortunately, like we got a lot of
great guys on this team who don't want to end
our season in January and watch other teams play, because
we have the capability, you know, to play with a
lot of teams in this league.
Speaker 6 (26:21):
So we just played ball man when it mattered the most,
and we execute it. So that's the good news that
they beat the Jets at overtime. Here's the bad news.
Speaker 9 (26:30):
The rest of their schedule at Houston this week verse
the Niners, at the Browns, at the Jets. Those last
two games are outdoors, cold weather January yea, January December
twenty ninth.
Speaker 6 (26:43):
Probably get eliminated this weekend.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
They I like Houston.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
I like Houston coming off the bye. Yeah, getting a
little healthy coming off the ball.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
What do you do?
Speaker 9 (26:52):
I wonder if Miami do they need a hard reset
or do you is this just like an Arizona Hey, we.
Speaker 6 (26:57):
Got Kyler Murray. We're gonna be competitive We're not gonna
win the Super Bowl to do it.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
They don't need a hard reset. They do you move Do.
Speaker 6 (27:03):
You consider moving off Tyreek Hill?
Speaker 2 (27:04):
By the way, No, I think you do.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Have to get into the draft a quarterback every other
year behind Tua. You can't go into a season with
a bad backup quarterback situation with Tua as your quarterback,
shaky o line and Tua's got the concussion issue that
that to me is unforgivable. That they have the worst
backup quarterback situation in the league. I mean again, that
would be okay if you're Kansas City or Buffalo.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
That's okay.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
If you're the Chargers and you have a big, strong quarterback.
If you have Joe Burrow, he's been banged out, you
need a decent backup. If you have Tua, you need
a good backup.
Speaker 9 (27:37):
So without Tua when he went down against the Bills,
they got smacked by the Seahawks, smacked by.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
The No, they have the worst backup quarterback situation lea
that cost them the season. There's no question backup quarterbacks
have value in this league. They're not if you look
at the order of importance in the league, takeout coaches quarterback,
left tackle at rusher weapon. I think centers are way
underrated to call the offensive line plays corners net. Then
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then all of a sudden you get into the next
seven or eight. One of those is backup quarterback. If
you have a quarterback with a history of injuries, like
you gotta have a dude that can win games, all right.
Speaker 6 (28:14):
Real quick. The final story is the Yankees and Sodo.
This is interesting.
Speaker 9 (28:18):
GM Brian Caspman said Monday that despite missing out on
Juan Soto, he was happy with the Yankees' efforts to
try to retain him. Depending on who you read, there
are some reports claiming that what the hell held the
Yankees back from landing Sodo was Allegedly they refused to
offer Soto.
Speaker 6 (28:36):
A free suite for his family at every home game.
The Mets did that.
Speaker 9 (28:41):
Now, the Yankees never gave a suite to Aaron Judge
or Derek Jeter.
Speaker 6 (28:45):
They don't do that, right, so they would not be like, hey,
we're going to hold firm Sont.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Sorry, let me just say this, I'm glad the Mets
got him.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
I don't think when you have Aaron Judge and John
Carlos Stanton, you need more power I think the Yankees
should concentrate on the staff because the Dodgers won a
World Series by being able to go to bullpen games
only and win games.
Speaker 7 (29:13):
Right.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
And by the way, did you know the Dodgers did
this offseason They re signed one of the anchors of
their bullpen, Mark. So remember, as good as Sodo is,
and he is great in four at bats, he's only.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Going to get one hit. That's it. Well, well that's what. No,
He's bats three hundred.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
I get it.
Speaker 9 (29:30):
But you're talking about losing one of the best young
players in baseball. And if this sweet thing is legit,
our guys did the math it it would cost him
for eighty two home games about two million dollars at
Yankee Stadium.
Speaker 6 (29:42):
So you lost Sodo, a billion dollar organization, Los Soto
over a two million.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
I've gotten not a gat. I've got Stanton.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
And if when I watched the Yankees playing the American
League Championship Series and the World Series, they look outmatched
by the Dodgers, like not close, once you got to
like the I mean the Yankees are top heavy.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Do they need to be more top heavy?
Speaker 1 (30:04):
If when you look on a Tommy Edmund for the
Dodgers that can literally go outfield to infield and be
an MVP of a series. The Yankees don't have that.
They're incredibly top heavy. The Dodgers are so deep. And
by the way, the Yankees generate one hundred million more
dollars a year in revenue from attendance, television, and merchandise.
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They generate six hundred and seventy five million a year.
Dodgers are about five hundred eighty million a year. So
my thing is the Yankees need three or four more
players to become the Dodgers, not just another great player.
Speaker 6 (30:36):
That's the thing.
Speaker 9 (30:37):
Look, so they were they were offering Soto up to
seven hundred plus million dollars, and you can't just say, Okay,
we didn't give it to him.
Speaker 6 (30:43):
We're gonna spend money on these four guys.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Yeah you can.
Speaker 6 (30:46):
Are there four guys on the market, then they can
create So.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Guy would go to the bullpen and I would go
get another strong arm in the bullpen. Okay, it doesn't
have to be an either, or you don't have to
say we'll spend six hundred million here or six hundred there.
You went after Sodo, you didn't get it. Make the
bullpen stronger.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
There we go.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
J mcklan news, Well, that's the news, and thanks for
stopping by The Herd Line News. I think the Yankee
Soto eh.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
That.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
I'm fine with the Yankees. They're gonna make the playoffs
again and be very good. I don't worry about them.
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
He is ready to go.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
You're crazy college college dude. Man, He's funny.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
I'm just sorry.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Listen, you got got a lot of connections. You're giving
a commencement speech at Miami.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
I am now.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Dure is gonna go number one in the draft?
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Yes, yes, I love Shador and he and he deserves
to be number one. He's a hell of a quarterback.
But Cam Wore deserves to be number one.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Two.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
A lot of backyard football, there were there was talk
that maybe his personality cams and the cam.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
What, there's what.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
There are people that are saying he's edgy and he's
not for everybody.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Listen, you know what, this retrips me out. Man.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
Every time we get to this place, all these other
things start falling off people's lips. You know what I'm saying,
This man right here. This man has done a hell
of a job showing you that he has the ability
to do with whatever you need him to do in
any situation. Big arm, big player, poised.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
You see it.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
You see some Patrick Mahomee's stuff in him too. Nobody
ever says that. Nobody ever says that I see it
in him also. And now all of this stuff is
starting to come out. I don't know about who's saying
all this stuff. I spent every week in with him. Okay,
So if a man's opinion, it is only as good
(01:57):
as his knowledge based on the subject. Jake, take ye,
what I say to the over, what they say to
the couse. They are just running the radio, that's all.
They don't know what they're talking about. This dude's a
great dude, a great leader, a great leader.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
You're edgy, so you may like edgy.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Edg edg edgy? What is edgy? What is edgy?
Speaker 4 (02:20):
First of all, in order to be edgy, somebody had
to put the line at edge and said, if you
go over, this is U edgy. Who the hell put
the line out of edge to say I'm edgy and
you not.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
I'm not into these things, man, I am.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Not bound or strapped with these things that the world
gets strapped with.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
I heard somebody say that Cam Warwick was being greeted
in the portal, right, greed, let me listen. Listen.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
In order for somebody to be greeted, that means someone
else has set a line.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
On what he is worth.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
So what they're really saying, the anonymous sources, what they're
really saying is, oh, we we thought he was worth this, but.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
He came in all shit, did it? I ingreed it?
Speaker 4 (03:10):
And he wanted this really, but he showed you this
year that he was that that he was asking for.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
The man is a heighs P Trophy final.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
I don't traffic in rumors, but I have a source
told me he's an edgy kid. Some may be put
off by that edgy, but like, to your point, what
does that mean?
Speaker 4 (03:35):
And it takes let me take them to until you
got some insie. This This is why And I was
just saying this to these guys, This is why I
love these top quarterbacks. A lot of times we wonder, yeah,
you have physical skill sets, you can play the game,
but can you be can you be in the game
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in the game as big as I don't know what
and still play at the level that you the game
when the game wasn't that big. It's can you play
a certain way all the time, no matter what. And
I'm gonna tell you the best thing about a Shador
Sanders in a cam Ward Sadur because he's Dion's Sun.
He's been around it all his life. But Cam because
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he's at Miami and all of this noise right now,
all of this vibration, the mess right now is because
of what he's done at Miami. So I'm telling you
these two guys, because of where they come from is
what I like to call.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
They already pressure cooked for the NFL.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
If you know what I'm saying, press cooker, and they
know how to perform. And when people go in pressure
cookers and know how to perform, people for that don't
know starts saying, ooh, he's too edgy.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
I am glad case closed. Then you sold me.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
I just bring stuff out here. I don't trap nonsense.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Okay, I appreciate you not trafficking and nonsense. I said,
See that's what I talk about right there. Now, that's
a gift right there. Colin put that thing in the
ether and disclaimed it at the same damn time.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
I love you, buddy, special buddy.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Okay, how about this?
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Okay, you see, I never looked at you as a diva.
I looked at you. My take was you and ache
Bananama were the heart of it. And by the way,
you wanted the damn ball right okay, and you were
one of the only guys in your ear that was
like all over the middle and take shots. I don't care,
so that doesn't bother me. What bothers me? And I
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also think receivers want the ball that doesn't. It doesn't
bother me. I got a little issue with the Eagles
with a quarterback that's not and they've said, listen, we're
a Barkley led team. We're not gonna give you fourteen
targets like Jamar Chase. We're gonna give you seven. And
they're winning, Mike, They've won like nine ten in a row.
(06:13):
I don't love what aj Brown's doing here. If the
stories are true from Brandon Graham where he and Jalen Hurts, Okay,
here's here's the Brandon Graham sound.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
I want you to listen to Brandon Graham.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
I don't know the whole story.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
But I know that one is trying to and I
mean eleven, to be a little better with how he
responds to things. And they was friends before this. It's like, man,
but things have changed. And I understand that because life happens.
But we gotta it's the business side that we have
to make sure that we don't let.
Speaker 6 (06:44):
The personal get in the way of the business.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
And that's what we got to do better as right
now because we.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Know it's the issue.
Speaker 6 (06:52):
Everybody's seeing with some things, but.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
We need to be able to talk talk things out
as men.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Okay, So so it does.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Again, I understand some noise. I forever defended Stevon Diggs,
but I do think that it's very intentional.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Michael.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
The staff of the Eagles think Saquon's how they're going
to roll. That's their run team first, right. You tell me,
is AJ have a point?
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Well, well, everybody has a point.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
But just because you have a point doesn't mean it's
time to deliver it anywhere into everybody.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
AJ has a point.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
There are things that are going on within the passing
game that that they that they need to work on
and they need to fix. And here's my thing, here's
my thing, here's my thing. We have to look deeper
into this. Why would Aj say this to us? Looked
a little calculating even the drop, like he knew he
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was going to do this if this continued, said to
the media. Now I talked about this yesterday. I said,
I wonder who's talking about? Is he talking to the
quarterback or is he talking at the head coach? And
maybe are the play caller Kellen Moore? You guys got
to call some plays to get me some passes or
here or is it is inefficient? And if he's shit
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at the quarterback? You see what I mean? Who is
he talking about?
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Now? This just told me who he was talking about.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
This just told me so obviously there's one in eleven
that they have a problem. But the other problem that
comes with that, if he is talking about it now
on TV, do A J. Brown think? Does he think,
oh it's one plus his coach? Because I'm not even
getting a call. And I understand from that perspective. Do
you watch your Mark Chase last night? They were throwing
(08:41):
him smoke routes. It takes nothing to throw a smoke route.
Nothing That means you just run a little and I'm
gonna just stand there. I'm gonna throw you the ball.
You go run with it. Three either throw one or
two or those whenever he has man and man coverage
out there to start the game, to get him involved.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
I'm right.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
I'm with him on what he's saying about that get
me in the game so I can use my energy
to help you instead of using that energy against you.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Brady used to say that Tom liked to get his
receivers going so right in the game.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
Right, try try to do that with you, right, Yes,
and Troy, But Troy did that with me.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
But if Troy didn't, I would never do this after
we get a win.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
I don't mind. I want you to want the ball.
I'd rather have you want the ball than not want
the ball. I'd rather push, pull.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
You back and try to say, God, dage that damn
ball you.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
See where the man, rather pull you back. I want
all of that, but I want you to know when
and how to put that out. This is the reason
I say ten and one last year then went one
and six. Something fell apart in that locker room.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Something fell apart. We were one with your one week
past that moment.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
Why are you bringing this back up, which brings back up,
which opens back up the case for everybody to bring
back that stuff, and now you gotta deal with it
all over again. When you're coming off a big win
like that, it's just not the time. I love great fighters,
but I love when you know who and we to fight,
and that wasn't the time.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Very well done.
Speaker 7 (10:08):
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Speaker 1 (10:16):
Chicago Bears are dysfunctional. Now, I would argue that if
you're a dysfunctional franchise, and not all teams are dysfunctional,
that need a coach. Kansas City wasn't dysfunctional. They wanted
Andy Reid, but they were a well run, well done organization.
They just wanted a better coach. Detroit needed a culture changer.
Chargers needed a culture changer. Bears need a culture changer.
(10:40):
I think Rabel and Brian Flores are my two choices.
Is there somebody out there you like?
Speaker 7 (10:46):
Well?
Speaker 4 (10:47):
I always say, now, is this has to be? Depending
on what I see the rest of this year. With
Caleb Williams in the next four games, five games whatever
we have left in the office coordinator right now that
they are summers brown. Because if I see any kind
of real progress and something, I said, oh, let me
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write this out. Because a few games he looked pretty
good and then he you know, had a little slipping
from Mike Caleb. So so if I see that, then
I got some leeway because I can go look at
the Rabels and all of these guys and get that
stability and have some form of stability with my young
quarterback at least the same system. So we can see
growth from year one to year two. That's the biggest
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growth you got in the NFL. I don't necessarily want
to start him back over with year one again and
a whole new.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Offense with a whole new system.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
So if I see great growth in these next few weeks,
then I can do a defensive coach.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
I can go in that route to give you that stability.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
But if I don't, then I'm going to go an
offensive coach, so I can give him the total power
over the organization because he and the offensive coach are
connected and their success shall be connected, and they'll have
a different approach to that game.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
So you the best coach you ever had.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Is one of the few coaches in the history of
football that was great at college and is a pro coach,
Jimmy Johnson. As you know, it's usually an either or situation.
Some guys can't recruit, some guys aren't good enough scheme.
Jimmy was good at both.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
He knew the personnel side, he knew the scheme side.
So Belichick.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Now he's got a new man, he's got a young girlfriend,
he's got a son coaching at Washington that he wants
to be a coach. Does he really want a coach
or is it about getting his son the job? Would
you hire him? What do you expect?
Speaker 2 (12:44):
What do you make of this story?
Speaker 4 (12:46):
There's no doubt coach wants to coach, you know what
I mean, and can coach, and one of the greatest
coaches of all time.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
And no one can ever take that from coach.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
But you know that the current landscape of college football
is a lot different then even when Jimmy was in college.
You know, so much different right then, You know, Jimmy
can really use the hammer to keep you a line.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Now, guy's leaving a minute.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
You can't what man? I mean?
Speaker 4 (13:12):
You leave it a minute and you come down on
these guys so tough and hard guys's good in the portal.
There is no problem with you'll be playing next year.
You'll be playing. You know what I mean when we
were in school that you can you're not going anywhere.
And if you're not here, you're not anywhere. So if
you're not here, you're back at the ghetto. Coach, I'm
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gonna do whatever you tell me. I'm not going about
the ghetto. You see what I mean is different now
in these guys getting paid. I just don't know if
coach has the time to counsel, and that's what it's
going to take. That's what make Dion so great in college.
He's really a mentor coaching. Coach is a coach that
has forced the mentor. And you know, a mentor coaching
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that this is his this is his world. But a
coach forced the men because you got to go and
mentor those guys out of the porter before you even
mentor them own the team and all of these things.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Man, it's it's a lot.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
It's a lot dealing with kids in there, and I
just think it's it's it's, yeah, that's not what coach
want to be doing.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
He wants to coach football.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Finally, let's let's go back to something we discussed now.
I think Dion has been successful for a lot of reasons.
Colorado's a bottom ten to fifteen job in the sport.
He's made them relevant. He's putting guys in the pros.
They may have the top two draft picks. He's made
them cool. There's a lot of wins here. I didn't
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know how it would work. My take was we talked
Colorado with Dion. I think he's been committed. I think
he's been tremendous. I watched the Cowboys give away another
game last night on some coaching snaffoos on the block punt.
I just want to say, I'm gonna ask the question,
you are friends with important people. Do you believe because
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you have said Dion would be interested. Jerry is more
loyal then people give him credit for. If Dallas wins out,
are we sure Mike McCarthy's gone.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Jerry's loyal, he is.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
He is, and and I'm very troy he recently talking
about it and saying, you know, Mike McCarthy, you're not
sure Mike McCarthy will be gone, and Jerry is loyal
and and that's one of the best things I love
about him, trust me.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Trust me, that's one of the best things that I
love about him. That he is loyal giving, loyal to
a fault, loyal to a fault. And you know what
I mean. But but.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
You know, you you look at what I'm talking about here,
at what you If you can find another good receiver,
you can put him in this mix and you see
what receive what Rams are doing with the Rams as
did to a top team like the Bills because they
got that Cooper Pookah pooka Cooper thing going, you know,
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to number one reason And and well, well, let me
tell you. When you have those two number one receivers,
you can have an average back or you go out
and still get real good traction because coverage is.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Going to have to back the hell up.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Nobody can cheat.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
We you just talked about the Philadelphia Eagles, and you
gave it all to Saquon Barklay.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
But take them to beasts off the can end.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
Take take a b out and you take Devontae Smith
out and watch all them safeties drop down in that
box and you see Saquon gonna be doing the same
thing he was doing in New York. Let's be real here, y'all,
y y'all, you see how this thing works, you know
what I mean? These things have to work together. You
can't separate them like that. So yeah, Dallas can have
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a shot if they can find another number one receiver
right now. But you gotta bring and you got it.
The problem is if you keep Mike McCarthy, then you
gotta go get me somebody that's so tough that what
somebody else to give me hope that these things can
be different. Nobody's saying Mike McCarthy is not a good coach.
I'm just saying it dampens the hope when we do
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this again after seeing the results over the last ten
four years. Hope's hopes everything. Hope would dictate effort from everybody.
Always say that hope dictates effort. Give me a little hope,
you get a little effort, you know what.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
That's a great way to put it.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
And I am glad that you clear the air with
these unsubstantiated reward rumors.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
That we won't be using, that we will not be
a part of that clickbait mess.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
We would not, we would not be a part of that.
I appreciate to give me the room to clear day
I do.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
The great playmaker Michael Irvin always welcome on this show,
and he's getting ready for that commencement speet in Miami.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Oh yeah, I get ready for that. I'm looking forward to.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Oh You're gonna be great.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
You believe that I get to do it.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
I do believe that because if you look at your life,
it has not been linear. It has had turbulence right right.
But by the way, you don't love turbulence, but you've
encounter right, right, and you've overcome it.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
And it's part of all of our journeys. That's right.
It's part of all of our journeys.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
So and since we all got to go in them,
let's go in them and learn something to figure out
what to do when we come out of them and
where to go to. That's what we do.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Michael Irvin.
Speaker 7 (18:42):
Take a break back after this, be sure to catch
live editions of The Herd Weekdays and Noone Eastern not
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Speaker 2 (18:49):
Lively show today. A lot of things going on. Cowboys
last night, mess it up. It's do we have that play?
Speaker 1 (18:57):
I talked about this earlier. I want to address this
one more time before I go to herd line news
that it's easy to always blame the players for not
knowing the rules. I get that, and they do account
for a lot of the culpability. But I also think
coaching matters, and that especially players that are like sometimes
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special teamers and then their backups were other places. So
that block punt, Let's play the blocked punt again by
the Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
All right, here's the punt by Ryan Rachel. It is blocked.
Speaker 7 (19:33):
Got it.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
The Bengals.
Speaker 8 (19:37):
You're gonna have the bone.
Speaker 6 (19:38):
No, you can't touch it. That did not just happen.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
That did just happen.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
So again, if you block a punt and it goes
past the line of scrimmage, then it's just a punt
and you have to stay away unless you get a
clean look and nobody is around you. So there is
no partially blocked punt. Once it's blocked and it goes
past the line. Special teams co whiches have to constantly
remind players it's a punt. Treat it like a punt.
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There are other plays that happen a lot that drive
me nuts. This one is very infrequent and it is
a special teams play, but there are a couple of
plays that drive me nuts in the NFL that happen
all the time, virtually every weekend, and I just don't
think there's any excuse for it. One of them is
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Miami does a lot of backwards passing to like a
Tyreek Hill or a running back, and if a ball
is thrown backwards, it's a live ball. Tyreek Hill has
to know better that is a live ball. Always assume
it's a backward pass. If it's on the ground, get
on it. Tyreek's been in this league too long, do
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not know that you have to just assume it's backward pass.
The other one is when a receiver catches a ball
and is not touched by a defensive back, he can
get up and run. Plexico Burris forgot it was still
a live play that happens every weekend. So those I
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am less willing to give a pass to a special
teams play because it's so infrequent. And you know, a
lot of guys are sometimes part time special teamers. You
bring them from the scout team. They're not regulars, but there.
It is one of those things that all this stuff
happens more frequently than you would suspect, and You can
blame the player, but the coaches. This is the difference
(21:31):
between elite coaching and average coaching.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
J Mack with a.
Speaker 6 (21:34):
News no turns, this is the herdline news.
Speaker 9 (21:40):
Let's start with Sam Darnold, who is just on fire
right now, three hundred and forty seven yards passing a
career high against the Falcons, plus five touchdowns.
Speaker 6 (21:51):
Colin, it's weird we're heading into week.
Speaker 9 (21:54):
Fifteen and the Vikings have got had any discussions about
a long term contract for Darnald. I know they did
just aft JJ McCarthy obviously, but Darnald is making ten
million dollars on what's called a prove it deal.
Speaker 6 (22:05):
He's clearly proven it.
Speaker 9 (22:07):
I'm curious, what do you think happens to Donald who,
by the way, sixty eight percent completions, twenty eight touchdowns,
career high and passer rating basically, Well, Kevin O'Connell has
turned him into like a really good quarterback.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Well, Kevin O'Connell won a bunch of games with Kirk Cousins,
In won a game with Josh Dobbs with no practice. Yes,
so he's obviously a pretty magical coach. They brought in
Daniel Jones and they have JJ McCarthy. That signals to
me that's what they're going into camp with. But my
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take is to a franchise Donald, so you can trade
him eventually. Do you just let him walk off an
MVP level season? That would be very difficult for me.
And I also think Donald's somebody that he's just now
getting into his prime. He's got at least five good
prime years left. Daniel Jones is a project and I
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never saw him as a first round quarterback talent. I
think he's a very good backup. JJ McCarthy is a
first round talent. Many believe that. Most believe that, but
he's coming off a second surgery for the meniscus, So
I I just would not want Sam to walk and
go to a rival. But I think Kevin O'Connell is
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so confident in his abilities that he may be willing
to do that. And the Daniel Jones acquisition signals.
Speaker 6 (23:31):
That, Yeah, you mentioned that Donald's having an MVP season.
You know who was an MVP.
Speaker 9 (23:35):
Candidate last year? It was a small sample sized Kirk Cousins.
Remember how he was cooking eighteen touchdowns and five picks.
He was putting up massive numbers before the Achilles injury.
You start to wonder, heez, can O'Connell do this with anybody?
And if that's the case, I think you just let
Darnald walk Colin. The problem is, where's Donald gonna land.
(23:55):
He's gonna probably get a Baker Mayfield type thirty million
dollar deal, maybe thirty five.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Let's just assume the Raiders and the Giants take cam
Ward and should do it. Okay, Let's assume that the
next best quarterback on the market is Sam Donald. Oh,
he's much more athletic, bigger, stronger than Derek Carr.
Speaker 9 (24:15):
Maybe it's situational, but let's pick a team and then say,
would you rather have I don't know, Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 8 (24:23):
No, Drew not true?
Speaker 6 (24:26):
Do I keep saying that Derek Carr, Sam Donald? Sam?
What if the Falcons lose Kirk.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Cousins the New York Sam Donald is more athletic than Cousins,
Aaron Rodgers and Derek Carr Today?
Speaker 6 (24:41):
Would you take Donald over Gino Smith in Seattle? Yep, Oh,
that's surprise.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
I think he's number one in the market after Schado
and cam Ward, and then I think number four maybe
Jalen Milroe Alabama.
Speaker 6 (24:56):
But it better because Donald's great, or because Kevin.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
The Giant and the Raiders are presumably gonna get shadouur
in cam they're good prospects.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
So those Giants and Raiders are done.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
The question becomes, who's the best quarterback after the two
college kids? Is that Jalen Milrow, Aaron Rodgers, Derek Carr
or Donald?
Speaker 9 (25:19):
Let the answer and their new coach are going to
target a quarterback because it looks like it's o.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Sam Donald is a bigger, stronger, more athletic Derek ca.
Speaker 9 (25:27):
All I know is if they hired let's just say
the Saints hired Rabel. I don't want to hear about
Sam Donald going of Rabel.
Speaker 6 (25:31):
And shining like he is down.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Okay, he's not going.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
He needs an offensive guy, I agree, And he doesn't
get Justin Jefferson anywhere else.
Speaker 6 (25:38):
Or Jordan Adison or Hawkinson. You know, like I like Donald.
He's had a great season.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
I don't.
Speaker 7 (25:43):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (25:44):
Next up is the Miami.
Speaker 9 (25:45):
Dolphins, whose playoff hopes are alive barely after beating my Jets.
Speaker 6 (25:49):
Thank goodness, they did that in overtime on Sunday.
Speaker 9 (25:53):
Miami's two games out of the final wildcard spot Tyreek
Hill said after the game that their ot victory was
definitely a winner home situation.
Speaker 8 (26:01):
Everybody knew what was at stake at that moment. We
know if we lose, you know, it's over. Our season
is over. And unfortunately, like we got a lot of
great guys on this team who don't want to end
our season in January and watch other teams play, because
we have the capability, you know, to play with a
lot of teams in this league.
Speaker 6 (26:21):
So we just played ball man when it mattered the most,
and we execute it. So that's the good news that
they beat the Jets at overtime. Here's the bad news.
Speaker 9 (26:30):
The rest of their schedule at Houston this week verse
the Niners, at the Browns, at the Jets. Those last
two games are outdoors, cold weather January yea, January December
twenty ninth.
Speaker 6 (26:43):
Probably get eliminated this weekend.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
They I like Houston.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
I like Houston coming off the bye. Yeah, getting a
little healthy coming off the ball.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
What do you do?
Speaker 9 (26:52):
I wonder if Miami do they need a hard reset
or do you is this just like an Arizona Hey, we.
Speaker 6 (26:57):
Got Kyler Murray. We're gonna be competitive We're not gonna
win the Super Bowl to do it.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
They don't need a hard reset. They do you move Do.
Speaker 6 (27:03):
You consider moving off Tyreek Hill?
Speaker 2 (27:04):
By the way, No, I think you do.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Have to get into the draft a quarterback every other
year behind Tua. You can't go into a season with
a bad backup quarterback situation with Tua as your quarterback,
shaky o line and Tua's got the concussion issue that
that to me is unforgivable. That they have the worst
backup quarterback situation in the league. I mean again, that
would be okay if you're Kansas City or Buffalo.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
That's okay.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
If you're the Chargers and you have a big, strong quarterback.
If you have Joe Burrow, he's been banged out, you
need a decent backup. If you have Tua, you need
a good backup.
Speaker 9 (27:37):
So without Tua when he went down against the Bills,
they got smacked by the Seahawks, smacked by.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
The No, they have the worst backup quarterback situation lea
that cost them the season. There's no question backup quarterbacks
have value in this league. They're not if you look
at the order of importance in the league, takeout coaches quarterback,
left tackle at rusher weapon. I think centers are way
underrated to call the offensive line plays corners net. Then
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then all of a sudden you get into the next
seven or eight. One of those is backup quarterback. If
you have a quarterback with a history of injuries, like
you gotta have a dude that can win games, all right.
Speaker 6 (28:14):
Real quick. The final story is the Yankees and Sodo.
This is interesting.
Speaker 9 (28:18):
GM Brian Caspman said Monday that despite missing out on
Juan Soto, he was happy with the Yankees' efforts to
try to retain him. Depending on who you read, there
are some reports claiming that what the hell held the
Yankees back from landing Sodo was Allegedly they refused to
offer Soto.
Speaker 6 (28:36):
A free suite for his family at every home game.
The Mets did that.
Speaker 9 (28:41):
Now, the Yankees never gave a suite to Aaron Judge
or Derek Jeter.
Speaker 6 (28:45):
They don't do that, right, so they would not be like, hey,
we're going to hold firm Sont.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Sorry, let me just say this, I'm glad the Mets
got him.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
I don't think when you have Aaron Judge and John
Carlos Stanton, you need more power I think the Yankees
should concentrate on the staff because the Dodgers won a
World Series by being able to go to bullpen games
only and win games.
Speaker 7 (29:13):
Right.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
And by the way, did you know the Dodgers did
this offseason They re signed one of the anchors of
their bullpen, Mark. So remember, as good as Sodo is,
and he is great in four at bats, he's only.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Going to get one hit. That's it. Well, well that's what. No,
He's bats three hundred.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
I get it.
Speaker 9 (29:30):
But you're talking about losing one of the best young
players in baseball. And if this sweet thing is legit,
our guys did the math it it would cost him
for eighty two home games about two million dollars at
Yankee Stadium.
Speaker 6 (29:42):
So you lost Sodo, a billion dollar organization, Los Soto
over a two million.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
I've gotten not a gat. I've got Stanton.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
And if when I watched the Yankees playing the American
League Championship Series and the World Series, they look outmatched
by the Dodgers, like not close, once you got to
like the I mean the Yankees are top heavy.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Do they need to be more top heavy?
Speaker 1 (30:04):
If when you look on a Tommy Edmund for the
Dodgers that can literally go outfield to infield and be
an MVP of a series. The Yankees don't have that.
They're incredibly top heavy. The Dodgers are so deep. And
by the way, the Yankees generate one hundred million more
dollars a year in revenue from attendance, television, and merchandise.
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They generate six hundred and seventy five million a year.
Dodgers are about five hundred eighty million a year. So
my thing is the Yankees need three or four more
players to become the Dodgers, not just another great player.
Speaker 6 (30:36):
That's the thing.
Speaker 9 (30:37):
Look, so they were they were offering Soto up to
seven hundred plus million dollars, and you can't just say, Okay,
we didn't give it to him.
Speaker 6 (30:43):
We're gonna spend money on these four guys.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Yeah you can.
Speaker 6 (30:46):
Are there four guys on the market, then they can
create So.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Guy would go to the bullpen and I would go
get another strong arm in the bullpen. Okay, it doesn't
have to be an either, or you don't have to
say we'll spend six hundred million here or six hundred there.
You went after Sodo, you didn't get it. Make the
bullpen stronger.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
There we go.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
J mcklan news, Well, that's the news, and thanks for
stopping by The Herd Line News. I think the Yankee
Soto eh.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
That.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
I'm fine with the Yankees. They're gonna make the playoffs
again and be very good. I don't worry about them.
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