November 19, 2024 • 42 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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listening to Fox Sports Radio. Here we go, it's our three.
Michael Urban's gonna stop by. It's la It's the Herd.
Great to have you. By the way, people are freaking
out Juan Soto the best young talent in baseball, him
and Otani and Aaron Judge. A lot of people think
he wants to stay in New York. He's interviewing with
the Dodgers today. And tell me when New York dominated
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the Hot Stove League ten years ago, when I was
at the other place and the Yankees dominated because Yankees
in Red Sox, but mostly Yankees, because they had the
best television local TV package. It, yes, nobody complained, it
was great for the sports. Nobody whined. And now Cohen's
got the big money and the Dodgers the big money,
Everybody's say, well, why even play the games because they're
on the schedule, cupcake. If you get Otani, Bett's Freeman,
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and Sodo, you may sell out Tuesday games. And I
didn't hear a single Yankee fan complain about this for
years when you had a fifteen year run because of
the Yes network and you were making four hundred million
dollars on your local cable deal. Nobody can play well.
Now the Dodgers have the best TV deal Cohen's Richard
and the Dodgers owners. But could Dodgers have a better
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TV deal? They have the money. I mean, if I'm
a great player, can you imagine Otani hits in front
of me, Bets hits in front of me, Freddie Freeman
hits after me. You're gonna get a steady diet of fastballs.
I always root for Dynasties. Everybody's like, oh, the little guy. Whatever,
I've been the little guy. It's no fun. I want
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dominant Dynasties, stars, greatest show on Earth. We'll get j
Max over there. The bottom line, would you not go
to a Dodger game if one soda was therein coastal
elite coulendary? Yeah, yeah, yeahah, I hear you. I would
definitely go to Dodgers game.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
They would be the best show in LA over the Lakers,
over the Rams.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
By the way, how come New Yorkers weren't coastal elites
when they were just basically saying Cec Sabathia did not
even want to play for the Yankees, and they'd like
paid him twenty million more. And he's like, okay, Garrett Cole,
why don't they Jet's do that with sodas. You can't
do it in the NFL. It's called salary kids soda.
Why don't they do it with Sodo? Yankees? Byea? Because
the Steinbrenner kids are not as well healed and they
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don't have the competitive advantage of the s network that
they did. So, I mean, baseball's always been have and
have nots, And it wasn't in the seventies when small
market teams like Pittsburgh and Cincinnati could croush Kansas City.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
It is now.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
How long is that sustainable? When you've got have and
have nots?
Speaker 1 (02:45):
It's absolutely sustainable. By the way, how long is it
sustainable when you only have the Avengers and Tom Cruise
and Barbie and Oppenheimer. That's the world we live in
for now. Five years from now, ten years from now
are we gonna be is it? Do you think people
gonna stop watching movies?
Speaker 4 (02:58):
I mean if they're if always got is superhero movies still.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
That the way Oppenheimer wasn't a mission impossible off Barbie
was a one off mission impossible is a twelve on Yeah,
and Tom Cruise is gonna be seventy year in a minute.
Then you find uh John Wick and you get Jason Bourne.
There's always another Vin Diesel out there, god Wick five
or whatever the world. By the way, this is what's
happening in the world, folks, and and and by the way,
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the people that own this company figured it out years ago,
and it's why they got out of the independent movie business.
The market's getting wide. There's a million platforms that you
didn't have to use to compete against. The bottom line
is the only thing that gets anybody to a studio
is Avengers, Tom Cruise, Oppenheimer, Chris Nolan directing Scorsese. So
what are you gonna do, niche independent films? It's over.
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It's over. So just like there's if you want to
fund those, If George Clooney wants to fund his own project,
go for it. You go fund it. Kevin Coster. I'm
gonna fund my own project. But the big boys, the Netflix,
the Amazon, the Disneys, they're not gonna do that.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
How many times have you even do a theater this year?
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Movie theater? I'm mean, I've been to a theater once
in five years. It was Oppenheimer. But I got that's
what I mean by not sustainable.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
When you got people going to the theater, keep saying
not sustainable, the industry's collapsing. I don't You don't think
baseball is going to be in major trouble if all
we've got is four or five teams with all that
time out.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
So when the Yankees and Red Sox dominated the Hot
Stove League, all I heard was doom and gloom. Baseball
made more money last year than it's ever made. You
dooms are out?
Speaker 5 (04:33):
Now?
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Yeah, yeah, now there's another players. Stop being a doom
and gloomer baseball. I all make an argument today that
baseball is having a renaissance as the NBA gets more
international and less really iconic needle moving stars. I think
baseball is gonna is on about a seven eight year run.
I think there's a renaissance. I've never been a guy
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that talks a lot of baseball just because there's so
many games. There's no urgency in very few stars. Now
I got I Harper and Philly. I'm gonna have Soto
with the Mets of the Dodgers, Otani, Betts, Freeman, Dodgers,
Aaron Judge. All the stars are in the right cities.
In the NBA, it's either international stars that don't connect
with people, aging stars like Lebron and staff or stars
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are in wonky markets like Ant and SGA. And Baseball's
got all their stars in the right markets.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
It's going.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
I think baseball is gonna have a great ten year,
ramazing postseason. We had Yankees Dodgers when anybody ever cared
about may baseball.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Well again, Now if we get Arizona versus Houston in
the World Series, it's coming.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Back the way. This idea there, the middle in the
bottom of sports has never controlled sports. So give you an example.
Everybody thinks the NFL is fair. Oh it's funny. Brady
and Mahomes have won five of the last six Super Bowls.
If you can't Matt Stafford, who's gonna be a Hall
of Famer six to six. If you don't have a
great quarterback, you can't compete. Go look at the top
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of the draft order right now, guys, put up the
top of the draft over. It's all crappy quarterbacks. Is
completely quarterback centric the whole the first ten picks, it's
Trevor Lawrence and Dak who are both over paid and hurt,
and eight teams with bad quarterbacks. So this idea that
having a soft middle and a bad awful bottom kills
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a sport. The NFL has never been more popular, and
I can guarantee you for the next five years it's
gonna be Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Herbert Harbaugh, and
Jared goffin the Lion. Toss him in there. Go ahead, Okay, Bonnick.
But this idea that, oh, industries are dying because the
little guys getting squished. Memo to everybody. The little guy's
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always gotten screwed over in every industry, tech, Silicon Valley.
Seven guys run it. I mean there's like anti trust
stuff going on. It did need the little guy. The
little guy. I mean, streaming gets created how many years ago.
It already is like Netflix, Amazon, Disney dominate the whole thing.
So again you can get into this vote for the underdog.
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I know, I I'm over rooting for somebody that can't
compete at the highest levels. College football Bama dominated for
twelve years, the SEC is dominated for twenty. The sport's growing.
Do you watch it for Purdue? I love the college
football player, I know.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
I can't wait for a Boise State to upset someone
from the SEC, or BYU or what one of these smalls.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
By the way, college basketball my entire life. Five programs Yukon, Duke, Kansas, Carolina, Kentucky. Yeah,
or you know, like Jim Beheim Syracuse for a while,
that's the whole sport.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
By the way, they had great ratings last year. I'm
not anti little guy, but I don't want to hear
the arguments that his baseball gets more top heavy. Oh
what will happen to the A's. They'll disappear and nobody
will care.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
They're going to be in Sacramento or I don't even.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Know where they're playing. I honestly, I don't even know
where are they in Sacramento.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
They're not getting to Vegas yet, but there there'll be
a pit stop before the Vegas twas in Sacramento or
Fresno and by the way, you got I mean Tampa
because their dome ripis horrible.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Hurricue. They're playing at a minor league stadium. And you
know what, the Yankees will be great, The Mets will
be great, the Phillies will be great, the Dodgers will
be great. The Potrays will be wildly fun. So will
the Braves. The sport will be home run city. I
think baseball is gonna go on a renaissance here. And
I'm not a guy that you view as a baseball guy,
but they get all the stars. The minute people can
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come to terms with the truth, it's a much easier
life if you're constantly battling stuff. It's like, hey, baseball's
for the rich. Houston's got money, Atlanta Matt's Dodgers, those
are your teams. And then no sport is driven by
the little guy. I in the NBA Boston stuff. Look
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at the Eastern Conference, it's the Celtics. I kind of
like the next Nicks and nonsense. Nobody can compete. That's
what happened because there's bad gms. People are not equally motivated,
equally driven, equally smart, equally curious. So this idea that
we're always gonna have this vall hall of this perfect
symmetry that everybody gets. Stop at that's like, that's like
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little kids think like that.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
I think people like the idea equality of opportunity. Nobody's
asking for equality of outcome. That's not gonna happen. But
everybody wants a chance. And in the NFL, every team
at the beginning of the season thinks they got a
shot at the playoffs. In baseball, let's be real, the
top ten teams, that's it. If you're at bottom of
baseball and you're not spending, you're not you got no shot.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Well, if you're the middle or bottom of the NFL
with a B minus quarterback, you have no shot.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Well that's what people said about the Denver Broncos and
they're five and a half.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Winter there's one hundred and thirty Division one college football programs.
We're gonna have a twelve team playoff. Four teams can
win it Ohio State, Texas, Georgia, maybe Alabama and Oregon. Well,
what a shock, one hundred and thirty teams. We're gonna
create a playoff system that'll make it more fair.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Oh really, you got k Indiana can't win the title?
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Can we have them. They're a fourteen point dog in
their first good team game. I think it's down to
thirteen thirteen. Oh, it's down to thirteen. I'm not anti
little guy, but the minute you can grow up and
just acknowledge big dogs win and streaming. They went in sports,
they went in the NFL, they went in you know,
if you go to the German Soccer League, it's the
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same two clubs that have dominated forever. Go to the Spanish,
go to the Sarah, go to the Spanish Soccer League,
it's you know, it's the same two teams that have
dominated for a hundred years. You go by the way,
you go to the English Premier League, it's usually three
teams that dominate. It's the reality. You know, the big
money's gonna win it. I don't know what I was
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gonna talk about, but grant right, there a lot of energy.
I'm just I'm having to fight off McIntyre. McIntyre, the
voice of the voice of the little man. Not really,
I got it back the underdogs.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Man.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
I feel like I'm a career underdog, So that's why
I'm rooting.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Under Yeah, what hard scrabble life you've lived, Come on,
private schools, and.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Right I did not go to.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
I don't know why you're making that up. Be sure
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one and the iHeartRadio app. Well, he's kind of going
low profile today. You can barely see Michael Irvin, who
does has to go through American airports. Yeah, you did
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not want to be spotted today.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
Right right, I'm coming through creeping and hiding. Just like
somebody looked at me and said, are you Deacon Mosse
from the Longest Yard?
Speaker 3 (11:30):
I was like, oh, yeah, well.
Speaker 5 (11:32):
That's what I was trying to pull back up, Deacon
most If you think I'm a prisoner, you just let
me get through here and leave me alone.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
You know what I'm saying. I get it. Just let
me get okay.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
So I will say this.
Speaker 5 (11:42):
Put that things bad right now in Dallas and walking
around usually having a cowboy hat and on all that stuff,
none of that all black, just trying to.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Get through now, I get it.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
I get it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
So when Jerry has taking big swings, firing Tom Landry,
getting Dion, buying the cows big loan, It's worked when
he's played it safe. I'm not gonna get Dereck Henry
at the trade line. I'm gonna move a Bari Cooper
so we're more cap flexible. Jerry's a wildcatter in oil
when he has taken big risks. I believe to get
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out of this mess because right now, Michael, it's very unique.
I'm gonna name quarterbacks. They're all in their prime. Mahomes,
Alan Lamar Burrow, Herbert Qraig Goff. Okay, you're not winning
right now. I believe you have to if you go
three and fourteen, and I think it's possible. I'm hiring
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Dion and I'm giving away the farm to get up
to Shader Sanders. Am I crazy?
Speaker 5 (12:42):
Not at all, not at all, And I like it.
I'm just telling you I like it now. Now here's
the thing, though, here's thing you say. If you're gonna
hire Dion and give away to farm to get up
and get your door, I think you're going to be
right there to get your door any way.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
You see what I mean. Just by the way this
season you.
Speaker 5 (13:03):
Lose, you're not going to have to give up the farm.
You're going to be pick one, two or three, pick
certainly pick one or two. You know the way you're
playing right now at home, you'll get You're on an
average that six game losing streak you're on at home
at home. This is why I'm dressed in black. We
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can't even come up with anything at home prior to this,
and six at home we won sixteen in a row.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
You just were at the Colorado game. You're close with
Deon Sanders, right.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
I spent Friday with Jerry, Saturday with Dion, and Sunday
praying for the.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Let me just be real with you.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Do you think Dion and I think he loves college,
But if his son and Travis Hunter are gone, do
you think Dion would listen to Jerry Jones call if
he offered him the job?
Speaker 5 (13:52):
I think Dion, if if Jerry and the Cowboys up
there around one and gonna get your door, if you
want somebody to follow footsteps, you got your door, you
get Dion. I absolutely believe that happens, because you do
Dion understands how important it is to have that relationship
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with your quarterback. Yes, more important anything else in the world.
On the next level is that the relationship with your quarterback.
If you don't believe me, ask the New York Jets
and all the people that are disappearing over there. You
see what I'm saying. So so that and Dion understands
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that understands that way.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
What do you make of that Jets? They fired their
GM today. What do you make of Aaron and the Jets?
Speaker 5 (14:41):
You know, the Jets, I said, messed up when they
tried to make Aaron Rodgers the main things instead of
keeping their main thing as the main thing.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
They were primarily a running game, run team.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
That played great defense, that needed some guidance at quarterback,
and their fight was to find a quarterback that can
come in and make the few plays that they need.
Throw the ball twenty five times a game, not this
fifty five times. You know, the first six weeks of
the season they were in the top three. Now they
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realized they messed up, So last four weeks they tried
to come back, you know, come back from all the throwing,
but it's too late. They allowed Aaron Rodgers to pull
them into his fight of trying to prove to everybody,
to woke crowd in Green Bay that I still have it.
Instead of Aaron Rodgers being added to their fight, which
is a run game and defense.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Right right, and.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
They let Aaron Rodgers bounce around their identity. Now you
take a super Bowl winning All Pro quarterback and you said, well,
we don't have one of those. We're just listening to
what he says, and you got disaster. You take a
super Bowl winning All Pro quarterback that has stumbled, and
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you give him to the Pittsburgh Steelers, where there's a
coach who has already set the order.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
We already got our identity.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
We're running the ball and playing defense, and Russell, can
you make a few plays for us?
Speaker 3 (16:16):
That's interesting, that's the difference. So that's the difference. Mike
join his stuff.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
Aaron rod made the gets join hit stuff, and now
they are in disaster.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
That's a really good point that basically Mike Tomlins said,
because I've argued forever people think Brady was the savior
of Tampa. But as Tom knew, that was a loaded roster.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
But you know what, that's a good point.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Effort came to ls. They've been to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
That's that's a good point.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
A good point when you so when Russell went to Denver,
he was viewed as the savior. Aaron to the Jets.
It doesn't exist. There is no such thing unless you're
Patrick Mahomes or Josh Allen to be this say you're saying.
Speaker 5 (16:55):
What you're saying is nobody's giving up the Savior. Nobody's
giving up a savior. By the time you get him,
he's no longer a savior, you know what I mean.
He's a disciple of the Savior, but he's no savior himself,
you see what I mean.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
So you like the Steelers what they've done with man.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
I love what the Steelers have done.
Speaker 5 (17:15):
And and and the move that Mike made at six
and two going, you know, when the kid was justin field,
I mean for and to move off from for for
justin fields and still go and get what he's gotten.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
The last you by the way, Michael, we have a
winning record, and move off the popular kid that everybody likes.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
Oh, because you know, if it didn't work, and it
doesn't work, they're gonna they're gonna chop.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
You up and chew you and and chew you out
right right, you know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (17:41):
And and and and it worked in an extraordinary way.
And I loved how he did the other day. And honestly,
I love the kid, and I'm praying for the kid.
But Mike Tumblin, thank god they won that game the
other day, or we would have been back over on
the kid again. Justin fields like you see why Mike
Tumblin made the change. Even that little one yard slide early,
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that early one yard slide could have coacht that game. Yep,
could have coached that game. And that's what Mike is saying.
I just want the guy to not make the mistake
that's going to cost me a game, right, just hold
on it the ball and not make the mistakes is
going to cost me a game.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Luckily, they were able to get that first down and
win that game.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Okay, let's talk about the Lions. So you played on
a cowboy team when I was a kid growing up.
The Steelers in nineteen seventy five had about nine Hall
of Famers. The Cowboy team you were on had four
or five six Hall of Famers. You start looking at
Piney Suel homor on Saint Brown, Jared Goff when he's healthy,
a the largest and the branch, the safety. You start
looking at that team Detroit. You know you've been on
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one of those. When you go into the game and
it's like we'll be playing with a lead every Sunday.
Do you think the Giant are the Lions? Are they
peaking too early? Are you concerned that they're not being
pushed back a little? They're rolling over teams now.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Right right now?
Speaker 5 (19:00):
Tell you what, And when I look at the Lions,
I said, because I said this, you know last year
on Undisputed. Now when I saw him, I said, man,
it's just frying. It reminds me a lot of our
young team because young talent everywhere.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
And it's not just the got young talent. They love playing.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
Football together like we love playing football together, you know
when when we were coming up, the early Cowboys, ninety Cowboys.
Now the difference, the difference here is Jared Goff, Which
Jered Golf are we.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Going to have?
Speaker 5 (19:30):
There's a Jared Golf They let go from right out
here in LA because they said, you can't win the
big game.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Well a strictly pocket guy right right right, and and
and then they won the big game without him.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
So that's the stain on him. On him.
Speaker 5 (19:45):
Now he's playing with a chip on his shoulder, Jared
golfars and and he's gonna need that chip so he
can remove that stain. You see what I mean, He's
gonna need that chip to remove that sting. Now what,
Jared Golf, do you get that team I'm talking about
that we were with the Cowboys. We ran off seven
straight victories with Steve Berline at quarterback one time. Remember
Steve Burline and quarterback.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
We ran off.
Speaker 5 (20:07):
We ran through everybody we got in the playoffs, and
we lost to a Detroit team in the playoffs. Steve
Burline had great talent, great talent, and we would have
won a lot of games with Steve Berline, and we
got some playoff games with Steve Burline, but we never
would have become a dynasty with him. Troy Aikman took
us to the dynasty level when we got him back.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Now, Jarrett Golf has.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
The range to be Steve Berline or Troy Aikman. If
he stayed Steve Berline, they'll continue to do this and
just get in the playoffs and never get there. But
if he turns back into the number one pick of
the draft and become Troy Eateman playing within himself like
Troy played within himself, then this Detroit team can do
so many things that ninety Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Team did okay, So I want to get into this
whole Jake Paul Tyson thing. So you may the thing
we talked about before we went on the air, Can
you talk about that or no?
Speaker 4 (21:00):
What?
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Uh? Jake Paul? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I was saying, yeah,
I saw somebody yet, Okay.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
I'm not a big conspiracy theorist, although many are proven true.
So that's okay.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
But but you're an analyst. You're an analyst, that's right,
And any analyst has the answer who were where?
Speaker 3 (21:18):
When? Why? Who?
Speaker 1 (21:21):
I wondered something during the fight and what did you
say to me before you went on the air today?
On a contract?
Speaker 5 (21:29):
I said I. I said I was looking for Mike
Tyson because he got me too. When he walked in
that ring, I saw, I saw death in his eyes.
I said, oh my god, I said, I see some scared.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
I was scared.
Speaker 5 (21:42):
That don't look like nobody coming to play, right, And
I was looking for that patentent one but one in
the body upper cut.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Okay, So that was his you know, his left hook
and his upper cust the drop show.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
It is it you see and when you when he
when he hits that bad and I want to see that.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
I want to see that.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
So why didn't we get it?
Speaker 3 (22:03):
We didn't get.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
It, were not a one. And then I heard somebody.
I saw somebody read somewhere with somebody said it was
in the contract.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
No upper cut, No upper cut.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
They think, seriously, I kind of buy this.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
Yeah, they had it in the country. Come on, guys,
why wouldn't Mike throw an uppercut?
Speaker 1 (22:21):
If Nolan Ryan pitched in a game at sixty and
never threw a fastball right, and you'd be.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Like, sums up, sums up, what's going on? If Mike
I had good needs and you still play football and
didn't run a slant route, some fixed That's all I'm saying.
So I watched you got to stick with what you do. Now.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
I know Mike had a blood transfusion. He almost died
July twentieth, and you and I said the fight should
have been in March. His body was still recovering. He
ran out of gas third round. But if you watched
Tyson's career, the upper cut it was the kill shot.
It was, and he didn't throw one.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
And once he hit you in that and you just
mean a little bit. You set yourself up for that
upper cut, and here.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
It comes okay. The other thing is Jake Paul by
about the fifth round had a chance. Yeah, And I wondered,
after what you said, did Jake Paul say, listen, I
signed a contract. He can't throw an upper cut. I'm
not gonna humiliate him, and I agree to a deal
that Mike can't throw, he can't hit cleanup, he can't
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bring the bomb right.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
And I like that he did that. I like that
he came here, that he didn't go kill on kill Mike,
and which is which is? Which is funny because Jake
gets a lot of he gets a lot of hate
and pushback on you know, and I like the guy.
I like my I mentioned it on the broadcast. If
you got honor and respect the man, he works hard.
That that hacks the whole game. Like he has hacked
(23:47):
the whole game. They did it his way and listening
in your way and still got right where he wanted
to be. Deion Sanders is doing that in football as
a head coach. He's doing the same thing. He's hacked
the system. He said, I'm on this my way, and
you guys got to respect that. I mean, I think
he's a brilliant guy. And I and he got. He
got kuroles for me for honoring Mike Tyson with that
(24:10):
with a twenty million dollars give package in putting up
in the fifth round.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
I want to go back to the the Shadeur sanders
Don thing. Now people will push back and say, well,
what are you going to do with Dak? And my
take is Dak will have a market. Somebody will pay
some of the contract. And the truth is Denver has
shown us even with fifty million of dead cap money,
Russell Wilson, if you get the coach and the quarterback, right,
(24:37):
you can still be good cause you're not paying bon
Nicks for five years, right, so you can you can
handle that dead cat. And somebody would comment Dak would
have a market.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Yeah, Dak will have a market. There's no doubt. There's
no doubt.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
You got to Dak before the draft pick and say
we're going to take Shador. Where do you want to go?
And we'll try to make it. We'll be good, we'll
be good suitors. We'll go find the suitors, you pick
the team you want, we'll try to get it there. Yeah,
you just don't make it public. So we have leverage.
Speaker 5 (25:04):
And I love that and dok has given us a
lot of wins. And I'm sitting here listening to these
scenarios and I say to myself, Wow, you know I
would hate to see that go. I love that.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
But right now, when you.
Speaker 5 (25:21):
Look at the Cowboys as they are currently constructed, you
gotta say, there's something that has to be done here. Sure,
you can't stay. You can't continue to lose games. Eat
at home thirty eight to thirteen.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Clip.
Speaker 5 (25:35):
You're losing these games thirty eight at thirteen in front
of your home crad. It's just getting bad. So something
has to be shaken up and be done, and Jerry
has to get it done.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
People don't understand how hard Michael works. So the last
three days, where have you been?
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Well? I've been I was well. First I did the game.
I mean to fight in Dallas Friday, and then Friday.
Speaker 5 (25:55):
Now because it went to Colorado Saturday and came back
Sunday and went to the Monday night game and then
flew here early Tuesday morning.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
And you don't do the private I can.
Speaker 5 (26:03):
Be here with you. No, I don't do private planes.
I don't well, I'm so I don't know. I fly
every day and I'm still scared of planes.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
I don't know. Stop laughing over that. I don't know, people,
I'm telling you, man.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
When I get on the airplane and we hit turbinance,
Oh my god, man, my anxieties get so bad because
I can't control it.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
I'm not so that person be next to me. Oh
my god, they'd be so happy to be next to me, right,
I just see them. They get the phone and they
take somebody and they're doing this right here. They try
to show people that's mean, like it'll take it, and
then we hit turbantes.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
I crab.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
You know, my head is a pretty strong.
Speaker 5 (26:42):
I ground so tightly, like they ain't so happy to
sit next to me anymore.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
They're like, how about a gummy?
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Here?
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Do you ever take a gummy?
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Yeah? I don't. I appreciate you giving me the chance
to tell people that on TV.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Yeah, it didn't work quite like I wanted it too.
I was still.
Speaker 5 (27:02):
Grabbing at everything any turbuli.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
I don't know why, man.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
It's some uncertainty of what's happening in your life.
Speaker 5 (27:11):
And I live on it almost every day. I'm flying
every day. I can't get I don't know why. I
have this fear of me. My friends, right, they send
a plane sometimes and when they come, send the plane
be the nicest plane of G five.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
I'll leave it right in the hangar and go.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
Get me a plane on the south towards airlines and
tell them come pick me up at the airport.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Man, you know, tell you probably to fly.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Why you relate and you've endured you're one of the people.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
What are the people?
Speaker 1 (27:41):
You're walking through those crappy airports like the rest of them.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
Yeah, just like the rest.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
So I can get the feel of the people, so
I can speak with the people. You can't get the
feel of the people without speaking with the people.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
That's how you can communicate.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Okay, and you broke news today. You do believe and
I do too, that if Shador went to the Cowboys,
Dion would accept the job.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
I believe one hundred percent. And I can tell you
good sources.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Have told me that.
Speaker 5 (28:18):
Great sources have told me that. That's all I can say.
Like that, we're now violating anything else.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
The playmate, you know, I love having you.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
I love you too, but I love I love being
with you. Boy. All Right, We're gonna make this a
regular next year. We're gonna make it a regular.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
You're always welcome the playmaker j back around the corner
of the Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of
The Herd weekdays and Noone Eastern not am Pacific on
Fox Sports Radio FS one and the iHeartRadio app Sanders
if Shader Sanders landed, let's say with the Dallas Cowboys,
(28:54):
and I think they're gonna get beat by Washington this weekend,
and then I think there's a chance they lose against
the New York Giants. My take is they'll be in
the running for the number one pick. Because Jacksonville and
Tennessee bad teams, they still play each other twice. I
think the Raiders play the Jags or Tennessee so and
I think Cleveland's too good not to win another game
or two. I think New England's playing too well. They
(29:16):
gave the Rams a real fight. They'll win games. I
think it's gonna come down to that Giants Cowboy game
on Thanksgiving, and if Dallas loses, I think they have
a real shot to have the number one pick. And
Michael Irvan, the Playmaker saying, and I think you got
to take a big swing if you're Dallas. I think
you have to have a meeting. You tell Dak listen,
we're gonna go on Shaduur. He rates through the roof
(29:38):
as a prospect. We will move you. We got no
problem moving you. You give us a list of teams,
don't make it public, and we'll move you to the
best team where you can win. Now, somebody will pay
that deal. But I think you got to take a
big swing. I would go get Deon Sanders. If you
get Shadeur Sanders, and Michael Irvin's saying sources tell him
(29:59):
that Dion take the call. Of course he would listen.
Deon is I mean, it's like Dan Campbell, former player.
It's working like it just it did Mike Vrabel, former player.
A lot of these guys they connect with players. Deon
connects with players, And you gotta be honest. I this
(30:19):
program was a lot of sizzle without a lot of steak,
and all of a sudden about week two or three
is like whoa Warren Sap coach in the defensive line.
They got a chance to win the Big twelve. Now
if they win the Big twelve, they get a bye.
So the twelve team playoffs starts December twentieth. They'd play
on like the twenty seventh, and if they won, they'd
go into January, which is good because the NFL season
(30:42):
doesn't end, you know, till late January. So even the
timing works out for Deon Sanders. If they win the
Big Twelve and they get to play, they'll get a
buy The Big Twelve winner gets to buy, so they
won't play until like December twenty seventh. If they win,
they play like the second or third. I don't think
Colorado would win two games in the playoffs potentially, but
I mean, they got the best two players in college football,
(31:04):
arguably Travis Hunter and shir Sanders. But it would all
work out timing wise. I think it would work. And
I think you gotta take swings in life, especially when
you're down. I don't think I think Dallas is seven
players away. I really do from competing with Detroit or Buffalo.
I'm talking seven players, two running backs, another star receiver,
(31:27):
another edge rusher, a great defensive tackle, a great left tackle.
They're not close. Jmack with the.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
News, No, no, no.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Turn on the news. This is the headline news to
start with. Drake may Guy. I cannot get enough of
This kid is so talented.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
His best game of the season against the Rams, thirty
for forty, a lot of passes, two hundred and eighty two.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Yards, two touchdowns.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
The Patriots lost, but that didn't stop Sean McVeigh from
noticing the opposing quarterback.
Speaker 6 (31:58):
He looks like a stud You know, I didn't do
too much work on him coming out, but I do
know that a lot of people that studied him really
hard that you know that I truly respect their you know,
their opinions, loved what he was all about. You can see,
you know, just the impact that he has on his teammates,
the way people talk about him here, he looks like
he's gonna be a special player for a long time.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
And he gave us fits today. Yeah, the people said
he was justin Herbert, but he wasn't quite as polished
as Herbert was coming out of Oregon. So his rookie.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
Ranking here complete of percentage is second yards per attempt,
meaning not all dink and dunks, second total yards per
game second.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
He is winning with his leg. There is some Herbert
to him.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
That's not a bad comp Also, he's he is working
with the least talented offensive roster of all the rookies.
You put him in Chicago with the weapons games, it's
a totally different ballgame. And it's not like the Patriots
offensive line. I mean, even even you can say what
you want about Denver's roster. They have a great left tackle,
Courtland Sutton's at one. They also have good tight ends,
and I like their backs like but Denver's got players
(32:57):
he not working with much he doesn't have if he
doesn't have a skill player that would start for any
of the other that would start for like Chicago.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
It's a tiny sample size, but it's the start of something,
and it's disappointing because now if you look at the
quarterbacks and the division, Josh Allen obviously number one. I
think you could make a credible case two is the
second best quarterback in the division, well and healthy Drake
May is third, and Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
I think by next year, if you can get because
you're not paying Drake May for four years, if you
can get Drake weapons T Higgins, if you get him
at T Higgins, you get him a great left tackle,
you upgrade the running back room. It will be Josh
Allen and then we can argue over Drake Man two
He's a bigger, bigger, stronger armed than Tua. So the
Jets would be last with the worst quarterback of.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
The divisions easily, despite having a better roster than Miami
and the Patriots, no question.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Gosh, it's frustrating. Finally, let's move on. Second story. Detroit Lions.
This is weird. I had not seen this story.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
The Lions are being accused of running up the score
after destroying Jacksonville fifty two to The Lions the lead
the NFL and point differential plus one point fifty nine,
and they have scored fifty points in multiple.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Games this season.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
They have three wins by at least thirty eight and
Dan Campbell he doesn't care. He's not taking his foot
off the gas.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
Well, there's always things to clean up.
Speaker 7 (34:16):
I mean, there's there was things in all three units,
you know, like of basically one of the things that
came up here is well, yeah, well, how do you
improve on scoring every possession?
Speaker 3 (34:23):
Right?
Speaker 7 (34:23):
Well, we could there was about three of them. We
could have scored five plays sooner or four play sooner,
you know, and it worked out in that game. But
what if you are playing Green Bay, you play in Minnesota,
you playing in Kansas City, whatever it is. You're in
one of these, you know, and you're you're having to
go score for score or whatever is going on.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
First of all, how embarrassing for any football fan or
football executive or player to complain about pouring it on.
This is not Alabama against Citadel. It's professional football. Who's complaining.
Who's saying they're running it up? Call them out? That's
Harris Losers calling him out.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
Interesting game this weekend, Lions at the Colts. Lions are
laying over a touchdown. Have you given much thought to
this game?
Speaker 1 (35:11):
I know it's early. Anything I've told you. I like
the Colts. I think they're an interesting team. I think
ideally you would have sat Anthony Richardson for a year,
but they didn't. So we're watching in real time all
the bumps and turbulence. But if you watched him last weekend,
(35:32):
you know why I went in the first round. He
was running over people and he was taken no dink dunk.
Anthony Richardson was throwing that ball down the field. So again,
mahomes sat. Lamar's sad. You know a lot of times
when you don't sit, we get to see all the warts.
Caleb we see all of them, but there are moments
(35:53):
with Anthony Richardson where you're like and I think benching
him really in some weird way work.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
What's interesting about this game is so the Lions had
this division. They've played Tennessee and Jacksonville. They hung fifty
on them, crushed them at home. They went to Houston
for that night game, really scuffled on the road, ended
up winning. Now they go on the road again against
the Colts, and the Colts I think they're live in this.
I don't know to win it out right, but I
think this is going to be a close game. And
(36:21):
I have been backing the Lions.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
The game in Indy.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Yeah, what's the Lions seven and a half?
Speaker 1 (36:27):
I would take Indy. I think I would take Indy.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
I mean everybody's going to be betting the Lions obviously,
because they're a covering machine. I just think Anthony Richardson
and Taylor can make if you can play keep away
from that Detroit offense and you don't let them run wild,
we'll see.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
I think there's something here.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
I don't know if it's headlines material yet for Friday,
but we'll consider it. Final story Colin Boy Kyle. Shanahan
says that Brock Purdy is dealing with right shoulder soreness
and the quarterback is day to day.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Well, he is a smaller athlete.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
Shanahan added he didn't think that shoulder impacted Parties play
against Seattle, but the party would be closely monitored this week,
the Niners are in some trouble here and rock Party.
This is a contract here for him.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
I don't know, uh you would I would not. I'd
be very reluctant to. I would give him a low
thirty million dollar contract. Thirty you start out, you pay
him fifty five. I come on, there's a lot of
numbers between thirty and fifty five, so he has value.
Speaker 4 (37:34):
Shanahan has had some success when not paying your quarterback
top dollar.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
Right, Party on that. A couple of years ago, you
were on that big tangent on the show the new
NFL was go get a scrub and don't pay him anything.
Right now, Party's not a scrub.
Speaker 4 (37:48):
Obviously he's good. But here's my question, and this is
my big pushback on the party stiff. Let's say Shanahan said,
we love you, thank you for your service.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
You could test the market. My guy let somebody else
overpay who is given him a huge contract? Now, let
me ask.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
And I've gone through the team, so I mean I
kind of know that somebody.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
Would give him a contract. But here what what? Well,
I don't know, puts a number on him, put a number.
Nobody's giving him fifty million here at thirty two? Okay, Yeah,
he could get a Baker Mayfield type contract. He could
get a Kirk Cousins coming on me. Ask you this.
So I don't know the answer to this. Is this
his fourth year or third? I think it's his third,
but he was a seventh round pick.
Speaker 4 (38:21):
I don't so he doesn't have the first round rookie
scale where you get the guy for an extra year.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
So he has to be paid this offseason. Yes, I'd
be very very I think they should have started moving
off people last year. Like I love George Keittle, He's
got value. You can't move off. Why can't I he's
one of the core guys in your life. By the way,
this big this is his third season, So they do
get one more year on the rookie contract. Uh No,
(38:49):
I'll look at the at ther I don't know the
answer to that.
Speaker 4 (38:51):
You know he's up he's gonna be a free like,
they gotta pay him.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
You gotta pay right now. Yeah, yeah, I think in
a strong quarterback, I would redraft. But you gotta draft
a quarterback every year. But this idea that like, I
think they'll pay him. I think they will.
Speaker 4 (39:08):
But then they got to start moving off the Deebo Samuels.
I mean, Trek Williams is like in his late thirties.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
The team's getting old quick. They should have drafted offensive
tackle last year was a very good offensive tackle draft.
They should have drafted a tackle last year, not Ricky Pearson.
Oh well, you know what really hurt them was that
Trey Lance failed. They give up a.
Speaker 4 (39:26):
Bunch of draft picks to move up. And now even
if you hit one or two of those picks that
they gave up, you're.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
In great shape.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
They went over because Lance, they had to move off
of him. And I want to make a case for the.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
Niners to bounce back here, But colin that schedule we
talked about here.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
They're a five and five team for a reason.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Kee's under contract according to the producers.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Okay, so that means I don't have to pay him
next year. Well, no quarterback wants to go into a
lane to tough luck. Nobody Jordan Love got paid. I
was a lot more. He was a first round pick.
So basically, I don't the Niners do not have to
pay brock pretty next year. Why in the.
Speaker 4 (40:06):
World they know that nobody would do that. They're not
going to do that. That's bad business. Hey, we're not
going to pay you. You're under contract.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
We're not saying that he breaks a leg, shoulder injury.
That's his fault. That's his problem, it's not mine. He
did this with Jordan Love. We could roll the tape
will Jordan Love is an elite athletic talent, but he
wasn't before they paid him.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
He had like eight games ample size of being good.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
He was insane at the end of last year.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Heard he was third in the MVP Award last year.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
Dude, if the team drafted Love in the first round,
they believed, and then they saw every practice he's bigger,
he's faster, he's more athletic. Playing with a bunch of kids,
he's been spectacular. This guy's playing with an all star
team and he was spectacular. Context. I would not pay
(40:56):
and I got nothing against the kid, but the idea
that I have to pay broad pretty early. Why, that's
how the NFL works. No, No, no, it works that
way for Josh Allen, for quarterbacks. No, for stud No, everybody.
Jordan loves a stud. He's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
For eight games last year. You know, party's been better
for longer.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Nobody. If you ask every GM in the league, you
have to pay fifty million a quarters. No, that's a
different things. None of them would pay pretty that if
you had a choice. Thirty two out of thirty two
would pay Jordan Love. And by the way, packer's pay
Jordan Love.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
How are how are they looking this year?
Speaker 1 (41:31):
Not as good as we thought? He got hurt?
Speaker 4 (41:34):
OKAYI Willis came in in one one games.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
The Rock Perty's discussion is my favorite in the history
of our shows.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
It's not mine, it's my least favorite. J Mack with
the news. Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping
by the herd Line News. You see that video or
Purty just fell down running to the right this weekend.
Nobody touched him.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
I didn't see that one play of Rock Purty failing.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
Kind of an indictment, That's how I viewed it. Okay, Well,
Michael Irvin and Nick wright were both spectacular. Today we
have had a run on guests. They bring it. Our
guests do not come up short. They empty the tank
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listening to Fox Sports Radio. Here we go, it's our three.
Michael Urban's gonna stop by. It's la It's the Herd.
Great to have you. By the way, people are freaking
out Juan Soto the best young talent in baseball, him
and Otani and Aaron Judge. A lot of people think
he wants to stay in New York. He's interviewing with
the Dodgers today. And tell me when New York dominated
(00:44):
the Hot Stove League ten years ago, when I was
at the other place and the Yankees dominated because Yankees
in Red Sox, but mostly Yankees, because they had the
best television local TV package. It, yes, nobody complained, it
was great for the sports. Nobody whined. And now Cohen's
got the big money and the Dodgers the big money,
Everybody's say, well, why even play the games because they're
on the schedule, cupcake. If you get Otani, Bett's Freeman,
(01:08):
and Sodo, you may sell out Tuesday games. And I
didn't hear a single Yankee fan complain about this for
years when you had a fifteen year run because of
the Yes network and you were making four hundred million
dollars on your local cable deal. Nobody can play well.
Now the Dodgers have the best TV deal Cohen's Richard
and the Dodgers owners. But could Dodgers have a better
(01:28):
TV deal? They have the money. I mean, if I'm
a great player, can you imagine Otani hits in front
of me, Bets hits in front of me, Freddie Freeman
hits after me. You're gonna get a steady diet of fastballs.
I always root for Dynasties. Everybody's like, oh, the little guy. Whatever,
I've been the little guy. It's no fun. I want
(01:49):
dominant Dynasties, stars, greatest show on Earth. We'll get j
Max over there. The bottom line, would you not go
to a Dodger game if one soda was therein coastal
elite coulendary? Yeah, yeah, yeahah, I hear you. I would
definitely go to Dodgers game.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
They would be the best show in LA over the Lakers,
over the Rams.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
By the way, how come New Yorkers weren't coastal elites
when they were just basically saying Cec Sabathia did not
even want to play for the Yankees, and they'd like
paid him twenty million more. And he's like, okay, Garrett Cole,
why don't they Jet's do that with sodas. You can't
do it in the NFL. It's called salary kids soda.
Why don't they do it with Sodo? Yankees? Byea? Because
the Steinbrenner kids are not as well healed and they
(02:30):
don't have the competitive advantage of the s network that
they did. So, I mean, baseball's always been have and
have nots, And it wasn't in the seventies when small
market teams like Pittsburgh and Cincinnati could croush Kansas City.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
It is now.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
How long is that sustainable? When you've got have and
have nots?
Speaker 1 (02:45):
It's absolutely sustainable. By the way, how long is it
sustainable when you only have the Avengers and Tom Cruise
and Barbie and Oppenheimer. That's the world we live in
for now. Five years from now, ten years from now
are we gonna be is it? Do you think people
gonna stop watching movies?
Speaker 4 (02:58):
I mean if they're if always got is superhero movies still.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
That the way Oppenheimer wasn't a mission impossible off Barbie
was a one off mission impossible is a twelve on Yeah,
and Tom Cruise is gonna be seventy year in a minute.
Then you find uh John Wick and you get Jason Bourne.
There's always another Vin Diesel out there, god Wick five
or whatever the world. By the way, this is what's
happening in the world, folks, and and and by the way,
(03:24):
the people that own this company figured it out years ago,
and it's why they got out of the independent movie business.
The market's getting wide. There's a million platforms that you
didn't have to use to compete against. The bottom line
is the only thing that gets anybody to a studio
is Avengers, Tom Cruise, Oppenheimer, Chris Nolan directing Scorsese. So
what are you gonna do, niche independent films? It's over.
(03:45):
It's over. So just like there's if you want to
fund those, If George Clooney wants to fund his own project,
go for it. You go fund it. Kevin Coster. I'm
gonna fund my own project. But the big boys, the Netflix,
the Amazon, the Disneys, they're not gonna do that.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
How many times have you even do a theater this year?
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Movie theater? I'm mean, I've been to a theater once
in five years. It was Oppenheimer. But I got that's
what I mean by not sustainable.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
When you got people going to the theater, keep saying
not sustainable, the industry's collapsing. I don't You don't think
baseball is going to be in major trouble if all
we've got is four or five teams with all that
time out.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
So when the Yankees and Red Sox dominated the Hot
Stove League, all I heard was doom and gloom. Baseball
made more money last year than it's ever made. You
dooms are out?
Speaker 5 (04:33):
Now?
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Yeah, yeah, now there's another players. Stop being a doom
and gloomer baseball. I all make an argument today that
baseball is having a renaissance as the NBA gets more
international and less really iconic needle moving stars. I think
baseball is gonna is on about a seven eight year run.
I think there's a renaissance. I've never been a guy
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that talks a lot of baseball just because there's so
many games. There's no urgency in very few stars. Now
I got I Harper and Philly. I'm gonna have Soto
with the Mets of the Dodgers, Otani, Betts, Freeman, Dodgers,
Aaron Judge. All the stars are in the right cities.
In the NBA, it's either international stars that don't connect
with people, aging stars like Lebron and staff or stars
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are in wonky markets like Ant and SGA. And Baseball's
got all their stars in the right markets.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
It's going.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
I think baseball is gonna have a great ten year,
ramazing postseason. We had Yankees Dodgers when anybody ever cared
about may baseball.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Well again, Now if we get Arizona versus Houston in
the World Series, it's coming.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Back the way. This idea there, the middle in the
bottom of sports has never controlled sports. So give you an example.
Everybody thinks the NFL is fair. Oh it's funny. Brady
and Mahomes have won five of the last six Super Bowls.
If you can't Matt Stafford, who's gonna be a Hall
of Famer six to six. If you don't have a
great quarterback, you can't compete. Go look at the top
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of the draft order right now, guys, put up the
top of the draft over. It's all crappy quarterbacks. Is
completely quarterback centric the whole the first ten picks, it's
Trevor Lawrence and Dak who are both over paid and hurt,
and eight teams with bad quarterbacks. So this idea that
having a soft middle and a bad awful bottom kills
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a sport. The NFL has never been more popular, and
I can guarantee you for the next five years it's
gonna be Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Herbert Harbaugh, and
Jared goffin the Lion. Toss him in there. Go ahead, Okay, Bonnick.
But this idea that, oh, industries are dying because the
little guys getting squished. Memo to everybody. The little guy's
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always gotten screwed over in every industry, tech, Silicon Valley.
Seven guys run it. I mean there's like anti trust
stuff going on. It did need the little guy. The
little guy. I mean, streaming gets created how many years ago.
It already is like Netflix, Amazon, Disney dominate the whole thing.
So again you can get into this vote for the underdog.
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I know, I I'm over rooting for somebody that can't
compete at the highest levels. College football Bama dominated for
twelve years, the SEC is dominated for twenty. The sport's growing.
Do you watch it for Purdue? I love the college
football player, I know.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
I can't wait for a Boise State to upset someone
from the SEC, or BYU or what one of these smalls.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
By the way, college basketball my entire life. Five programs Yukon, Duke, Kansas, Carolina, Kentucky. Yeah,
or you know, like Jim Beheim Syracuse for a while,
that's the whole sport.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
By the way, they had great ratings last year. I'm
not anti little guy, but I don't want to hear
the arguments that his baseball gets more top heavy. Oh
what will happen to the A's. They'll disappear and nobody
will care.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
They're going to be in Sacramento or I don't even.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Know where they're playing. I honestly, I don't even know
where are they in Sacramento.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
They're not getting to Vegas yet, but there there'll be
a pit stop before the Vegas twas in Sacramento or
Fresno and by the way, you got I mean Tampa
because their dome ripis horrible.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Hurricue. They're playing at a minor league stadium. And you
know what, the Yankees will be great, The Mets will
be great, the Phillies will be great, the Dodgers will
be great. The Potrays will be wildly fun. So will
the Braves. The sport will be home run city. I
think baseball is gonna go on a renaissance here. And
I'm not a guy that you view as a baseball guy,
but they get all the stars. The minute people can
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come to terms with the truth, it's a much easier
life if you're constantly battling stuff. It's like, hey, baseball's
for the rich. Houston's got money, Atlanta Matt's Dodgers, those
are your teams. And then no sport is driven by
the little guy. I in the NBA Boston stuff. Look
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at the Eastern Conference, it's the Celtics. I kind of
like the next Nicks and nonsense. Nobody can compete. That's
what happened because there's bad gms. People are not equally motivated,
equally driven, equally smart, equally curious. So this idea that
we're always gonna have this vall hall of this perfect
symmetry that everybody gets. Stop at that's like, that's like
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little kids think like that.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
I think people like the idea equality of opportunity. Nobody's
asking for equality of outcome. That's not gonna happen. But
everybody wants a chance. And in the NFL, every team
at the beginning of the season thinks they got a
shot at the playoffs. In baseball, let's be real, the
top ten teams, that's it. If you're at bottom of
baseball and you're not spending, you're not you got no shot.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Well, if you're the middle or bottom of the NFL
with a B minus quarterback, you have no shot.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Well that's what people said about the Denver Broncos and
they're five and a half.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Winter there's one hundred and thirty Division one college football programs.
We're gonna have a twelve team playoff. Four teams can
win it Ohio State, Texas, Georgia, maybe Alabama and Oregon. Well,
what a shock, one hundred and thirty teams. We're gonna
create a playoff system that'll make it more fair.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Oh really, you got k Indiana can't win the title?
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Can we have them. They're a fourteen point dog in
their first good team game. I think it's down to
thirteen thirteen. Oh, it's down to thirteen. I'm not anti
little guy, but the minute you can grow up and
just acknowledge big dogs win and streaming. They went in sports,
they went in the NFL, they went in you know,
if you go to the German Soccer League, it's the
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same two clubs that have dominated forever. Go to the Spanish,
go to the Sarah, go to the Spanish Soccer League,
it's you know, it's the same two teams that have
dominated for a hundred years. You go by the way,
you go to the English Premier League, it's usually three
teams that dominate. It's the reality. You know, the big
money's gonna win it. I don't know what I was
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gonna talk about, but grant right, there a lot of energy.
I'm just I'm having to fight off McIntyre. McIntyre, the
voice of the voice of the little man. Not really,
I got it back the underdogs.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Man.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
I feel like I'm a career underdog, So that's why
I'm rooting.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Under Yeah, what hard scrabble life you've lived, Come on,
private schools, and.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Right I did not go to.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
I don't know why you're making that up. Be sure
to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays and Noone
Eastern not a IM Pacific on Fox Sports Radio FS
one and the iHeartRadio app. Well, he's kind of going
low profile today. You can barely see Michael Irvin, who
does has to go through American airports. Yeah, you did
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not want to be spotted today.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
Right right, I'm coming through creeping and hiding. Just like
somebody looked at me and said, are you Deacon Mosse
from the Longest Yard?
Speaker 3 (11:30):
I was like, oh, yeah, well.
Speaker 5 (11:32):
That's what I was trying to pull back up, Deacon
most If you think I'm a prisoner, you just let
me get through here and leave me alone.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
You know what I'm saying. I get it. Just let
me get okay.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
So I will say this.
Speaker 5 (11:42):
Put that things bad right now in Dallas and walking
around usually having a cowboy hat and on all that stuff,
none of that all black, just trying to.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Get through now, I get it.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
I get it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
So when Jerry has taking big swings, firing Tom Landry,
getting Dion, buying the cows big loan, It's worked when
he's played it safe. I'm not gonna get Dereck Henry
at the trade line. I'm gonna move a Bari Cooper
so we're more cap flexible. Jerry's a wildcatter in oil
when he has taken big risks. I believe to get
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out of this mess because right now, Michael, it's very unique.
I'm gonna name quarterbacks. They're all in their prime. Mahomes,
Alan Lamar Burrow, Herbert Qraig Goff. Okay, you're not winning
right now. I believe you have to if you go
three and fourteen, and I think it's possible. I'm hiring
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Dion and I'm giving away the farm to get up
to Shader Sanders. Am I crazy?
Speaker 5 (12:42):
Not at all, not at all, And I like it.
I'm just telling you I like it now. Now here's
the thing, though, here's thing you say. If you're gonna
hire Dion and give away to farm to get up
and get your door, I think you're going to be
right there to get your door any way.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
You see what I mean. Just by the way this
season you.
Speaker 5 (13:03):
Lose, you're not going to have to give up the farm.
You're going to be pick one, two or three, pick
certainly pick one or two. You know the way you're
playing right now at home, you'll get You're on an
average that six game losing streak you're on at home
at home. This is why I'm dressed in black. We
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can't even come up with anything at home prior to this,
and six at home we won sixteen in a row.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
You just were at the Colorado game. You're close with
Deon Sanders, right.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
I spent Friday with Jerry, Saturday with Dion, and Sunday
praying for the.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Let me just be real with you.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Do you think Dion and I think he loves college,
But if his son and Travis Hunter are gone, do
you think Dion would listen to Jerry Jones call if
he offered him the job?
Speaker 5 (13:52):
I think Dion, if if Jerry and the Cowboys up
there around one and gonna get your door, if you
want somebody to follow footsteps, you got your door, you
get Dion. I absolutely believe that happens, because you do
Dion understands how important it is to have that relationship
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with your quarterback. Yes, more important anything else in the world.
On the next level is that the relationship with your quarterback.
If you don't believe me, ask the New York Jets
and all the people that are disappearing over there. You
see what I'm saying. So so that and Dion understands
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that understands that way.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
What do you make of that Jets? They fired their
GM today. What do you make of Aaron and the Jets?
Speaker 5 (14:41):
You know, the Jets, I said, messed up when they
tried to make Aaron Rodgers the main things instead of
keeping their main thing as the main thing.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
They were primarily a running game, run team.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
That played great defense, that needed some guidance at quarterback,
and their fight was to find a quarterback that can
come in and make the few plays that they need.
Throw the ball twenty five times a game, not this
fifty five times. You know, the first six weeks of
the season they were in the top three. Now they
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realized they messed up, So last four weeks they tried
to come back, you know, come back from all the throwing,
but it's too late. They allowed Aaron Rodgers to pull
them into his fight of trying to prove to everybody,
to woke crowd in Green Bay that I still have it.
Instead of Aaron Rodgers being added to their fight, which
is a run game and defense.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Right right, and.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
They let Aaron Rodgers bounce around their identity. Now you
take a super Bowl winning All Pro quarterback and you said, well,
we don't have one of those. We're just listening to
what he says, and you got disaster. You take a
super Bowl winning All Pro quarterback that has stumbled, and
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you give him to the Pittsburgh Steelers, where there's a
coach who has already set the order.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
We already got our identity.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
We're running the ball and playing defense, and Russell, can
you make a few plays for us?
Speaker 3 (16:16):
That's interesting, that's the difference. So that's the difference. Mike
join his stuff.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
Aaron rod made the gets join hit stuff, and now
they are in disaster.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
That's a really good point that basically Mike Tomlins said,
because I've argued forever people think Brady was the savior
of Tampa. But as Tom knew, that was a loaded roster.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
But you know what, that's a good point.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Effort came to ls. They've been to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
That's that's a good point.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
A good point when you so when Russell went to Denver,
he was viewed as the savior. Aaron to the Jets.
It doesn't exist. There is no such thing unless you're
Patrick Mahomes or Josh Allen to be this say you're saying.
Speaker 5 (16:55):
What you're saying is nobody's giving up the Savior. Nobody's
giving up a savior. By the time you get him,
he's no longer a savior, you know what I mean.
He's a disciple of the Savior, but he's no savior himself,
you see what I mean.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
So you like the Steelers what they've done with man.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
I love what the Steelers have done.
Speaker 5 (17:15):
And and and the move that Mike made at six
and two going, you know, when the kid was justin field,
I mean for and to move off from for for
justin fields and still go and get what he's gotten.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
The last you by the way, Michael, we have a
winning record, and move off the popular kid that everybody likes.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
Oh, because you know, if it didn't work, and it
doesn't work, they're gonna they're gonna chop.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
You up and chew you and and chew you out
right right, you know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (17:41):
And and and and it worked in an extraordinary way.
And I loved how he did the other day. And honestly,
I love the kid, and I'm praying for the kid.
But Mike Tumblin, thank god they won that game the
other day, or we would have been back over on
the kid again. Justin fields like you see why Mike
Tumblin made the change. Even that little one yard slide early,
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that early one yard slide could have coacht that game. Yep,
could have coached that game. And that's what Mike is saying.
I just want the guy to not make the mistake
that's going to cost me a game, right, just hold
on it the ball and not make the mistakes is
going to cost me a game.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Luckily, they were able to get that first down and
win that game.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Okay, let's talk about the Lions. So you played on
a cowboy team when I was a kid growing up.
The Steelers in nineteen seventy five had about nine Hall
of Famers. The Cowboy team you were on had four
or five six Hall of Famers. You start looking at
Piney Suel homor on Saint Brown, Jared Goff when he's healthy,
a the largest and the branch, the safety. You start
looking at that team Detroit. You know you've been on
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one of those. When you go into the game and
it's like we'll be playing with a lead every Sunday.
Do you think the Giant are the Lions? Are they
peaking too early? Are you concerned that they're not being
pushed back a little? They're rolling over teams now.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Right right now?
Speaker 5 (19:00):
Tell you what, And when I look at the Lions,
I said, because I said this, you know last year
on Undisputed. Now when I saw him, I said, man,
it's just frying. It reminds me a lot of our
young team because young talent everywhere.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
And it's not just the got young talent. They love playing.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
Football together like we love playing football together, you know
when when we were coming up, the early Cowboys, ninety Cowboys.
Now the difference, the difference here is Jared Goff, Which
Jered Golf are we.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Going to have?
Speaker 5 (19:30):
There's a Jared Golf They let go from right out
here in LA because they said, you can't win the
big game.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Well a strictly pocket guy right right right, and and
and then they won the big game without him.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
So that's the stain on him. On him.
Speaker 5 (19:45):
Now he's playing with a chip on his shoulder, Jared
golfars and and he's gonna need that chip so he
can remove that stain. You see what I mean, He's
gonna need that chip to remove that sting. Now what,
Jared Golf, do you get that team I'm talking about
that we were with the Cowboys. We ran off seven
straight victories with Steve Berline at quarterback one time. Remember
Steve Burline and quarterback.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
We ran off.
Speaker 5 (20:07):
We ran through everybody we got in the playoffs, and
we lost to a Detroit team in the playoffs. Steve
Burline had great talent, great talent, and we would have
won a lot of games with Steve Berline, and we
got some playoff games with Steve Burline, but we never
would have become a dynasty with him. Troy Aikman took
us to the dynasty level when we got him back.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Now, Jarrett Golf has.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
The range to be Steve Berline or Troy Aikman. If
he stayed Steve Berline, they'll continue to do this and
just get in the playoffs and never get there. But
if he turns back into the number one pick of
the draft and become Troy Eateman playing within himself like
Troy played within himself, then this Detroit team can do
so many things that ninety Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Team did okay, So I want to get into this
whole Jake Paul Tyson thing. So you may the thing
we talked about before we went on the air, Can
you talk about that or no?
Speaker 4 (21:00):
What?
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Uh? Jake Paul? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I was saying, yeah,
I saw somebody yet, Okay.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
I'm not a big conspiracy theorist, although many are proven true.
So that's okay.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
But but you're an analyst. You're an analyst, that's right,
And any analyst has the answer who were where?
Speaker 3 (21:18):
When? Why? Who?
Speaker 1 (21:21):
I wondered something during the fight and what did you
say to me before you went on the air today?
On a contract?
Speaker 5 (21:29):
I said I. I said I was looking for Mike
Tyson because he got me too. When he walked in
that ring, I saw, I saw death in his eyes.
I said, oh my god, I said, I see some scared.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
I was scared.
Speaker 5 (21:42):
That don't look like nobody coming to play, right, And
I was looking for that patentent one but one in
the body upper cut.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Okay, So that was his you know, his left hook
and his upper cust the drop show.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
It is it you see and when you when he
when he hits that bad and I want to see that.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
I want to see that.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
So why didn't we get it?
Speaker 3 (22:03):
We didn't get.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
It, were not a one. And then I heard somebody.
I saw somebody read somewhere with somebody said it was
in the contract.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
No upper cut, No upper cut.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
They think, seriously, I kind of buy this.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
Yeah, they had it in the country. Come on, guys,
why wouldn't Mike throw an uppercut?
Speaker 1 (22:21):
If Nolan Ryan pitched in a game at sixty and
never threw a fastball right, and you'd be.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Like, sums up, sums up, what's going on? If Mike
I had good needs and you still play football and
didn't run a slant route, some fixed That's all I'm saying.
So I watched you got to stick with what you do. Now.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
I know Mike had a blood transfusion. He almost died
July twentieth, and you and I said the fight should
have been in March. His body was still recovering. He
ran out of gas third round. But if you watched
Tyson's career, the upper cut it was the kill shot.
It was, and he didn't throw one.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
And once he hit you in that and you just
mean a little bit. You set yourself up for that
upper cut, and here.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
It comes okay. The other thing is Jake Paul by
about the fifth round had a chance. Yeah, And I wondered,
after what you said, did Jake Paul say, listen, I
signed a contract. He can't throw an upper cut. I'm
not gonna humiliate him, and I agree to a deal
that Mike can't throw, he can't hit cleanup, he can't
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bring the bomb right.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
And I like that he did that. I like that
he came here, that he didn't go kill on kill Mike,
and which is which is? Which is funny because Jake
gets a lot of he gets a lot of hate
and pushback on you know, and I like the guy.
I like my I mentioned it on the broadcast. If
you got honor and respect the man, he works hard.
That that hacks the whole game. Like he has hacked
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the whole game. They did it his way and listening
in your way and still got right where he wanted
to be. Deion Sanders is doing that in football as
a head coach. He's doing the same thing. He's hacked
the system. He said, I'm on this my way, and
you guys got to respect that. I mean, I think
he's a brilliant guy. And I and he got. He
got kuroles for me for honoring Mike Tyson with that
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with a twenty million dollars give package in putting up
in the fifth round.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
I want to go back to the the Shadeur sanders
Don thing. Now people will push back and say, well,
what are you going to do with Dak? And my
take is Dak will have a market. Somebody will pay
some of the contract. And the truth is Denver has
shown us even with fifty million of dead cap money,
Russell Wilson, if you get the coach and the quarterback, right,
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you can still be good cause you're not paying bon
Nicks for five years, right, so you can you can
handle that dead cat. And somebody would comment Dak would
have a market.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Yeah, Dak will have a market. There's no doubt. There's
no doubt.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
You got to Dak before the draft pick and say
we're going to take Shador. Where do you want to go?
And we'll try to make it. We'll be good, we'll
be good suitors. We'll go find the suitors, you pick
the team you want, we'll try to get it there. Yeah,
you just don't make it public. So we have leverage.
Speaker 5 (25:04):
And I love that and dok has given us a
lot of wins. And I'm sitting here listening to these
scenarios and I say to myself, Wow, you know I
would hate to see that go. I love that.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
But right now, when you.
Speaker 5 (25:21):
Look at the Cowboys as they are currently constructed, you
gotta say, there's something that has to be done here. Sure,
you can't stay. You can't continue to lose games. Eat
at home thirty eight to thirteen.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Clip.
Speaker 5 (25:35):
You're losing these games thirty eight at thirteen in front
of your home crad. It's just getting bad. So something
has to be shaken up and be done, and Jerry
has to get it done.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
People don't understand how hard Michael works. So the last
three days, where have you been?
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Well? I've been I was well. First I did the game.
I mean to fight in Dallas Friday, and then Friday.
Speaker 5 (25:55):
Now because it went to Colorado Saturday and came back
Sunday and went to the Monday night game and then
flew here early Tuesday morning.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
And you don't do the private I can.
Speaker 5 (26:03):
Be here with you. No, I don't do private planes.
I don't well, I'm so I don't know. I fly
every day and I'm still scared of planes.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
I don't know. Stop laughing over that. I don't know, people,
I'm telling you, man.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
When I get on the airplane and we hit turbinance,
Oh my god, man, my anxieties get so bad because
I can't control it.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
I'm not so that person be next to me. Oh
my god, they'd be so happy to be next to me, right,
I just see them. They get the phone and they
take somebody and they're doing this right here. They try
to show people that's mean, like it'll take it, and
then we hit turbantes.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
I crab.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
You know, my head is a pretty strong.
Speaker 5 (26:42):
I ground so tightly, like they ain't so happy to
sit next to me anymore.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
They're like, how about a gummy?
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Here?
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Do you ever take a gummy?
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Yeah? I don't. I appreciate you giving me the chance
to tell people that on TV.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Yeah, it didn't work quite like I wanted it too.
I was still.
Speaker 5 (27:02):
Grabbing at everything any turbuli.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
I don't know why, man.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
It's some uncertainty of what's happening in your life.
Speaker 5 (27:11):
And I live on it almost every day. I'm flying
every day. I can't get I don't know why. I
have this fear of me. My friends, right, they send
a plane sometimes and when they come, send the plane
be the nicest plane of G five.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
I'll leave it right in the hangar and go.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
Get me a plane on the south towards airlines and
tell them come pick me up at the airport.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Man, you know, tell you probably to fly.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Why you relate and you've endured you're one of the people.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
What are the people?
Speaker 1 (27:41):
You're walking through those crappy airports like the rest of them.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
Yeah, just like the rest.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
So I can get the feel of the people, so
I can speak with the people. You can't get the
feel of the people without speaking with the people.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
That's how you can communicate.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Okay, and you broke news today. You do believe and
I do too, that if Shador went to the Cowboys,
Dion would accept the job.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
I believe one hundred percent. And I can tell you
good sources.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Have told me that.
Speaker 5 (28:18):
Great sources have told me that. That's all I can say.
Like that, we're now violating anything else.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
The playmate, you know, I love having you.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
I love you too, but I love I love being
with you. Boy. All Right, We're gonna make this a
regular next year. We're gonna make it a regular.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
You're always welcome the playmaker j back around the corner
of the Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of
The Herd weekdays and Noone Eastern not am Pacific on
Fox Sports Radio FS one and the iHeartRadio app Sanders
if Shader Sanders landed, let's say with the Dallas Cowboys,
(28:54):
and I think they're gonna get beat by Washington this weekend,
and then I think there's a chance they lose against
the New York Giants. My take is they'll be in
the running for the number one pick. Because Jacksonville and
Tennessee bad teams, they still play each other twice. I
think the Raiders play the Jags or Tennessee so and
I think Cleveland's too good not to win another game
or two. I think New England's playing too well. They
(29:16):
gave the Rams a real fight. They'll win games. I
think it's gonna come down to that Giants Cowboy game
on Thanksgiving, and if Dallas loses, I think they have
a real shot to have the number one pick. And
Michael Irvan, the Playmaker saying, and I think you got
to take a big swing if you're Dallas. I think
you have to have a meeting. You tell Dak listen,
we're gonna go on Shaduur. He rates through the roof
(29:38):
as a prospect. We will move you. We got no
problem moving you. You give us a list of teams,
don't make it public, and we'll move you to the
best team where you can win. Now, somebody will pay
that deal. But I think you got to take a
big swing. I would go get Deon Sanders. If you
get Shadeur Sanders, and Michael Irvin's saying sources tell him
(29:59):
that Dion take the call. Of course he would listen.
Deon is I mean, it's like Dan Campbell, former player.
It's working like it just it did Mike Vrabel, former player.
A lot of these guys they connect with players. Deon
connects with players, And you gotta be honest. I this
(30:19):
program was a lot of sizzle without a lot of steak,
and all of a sudden about week two or three
is like whoa Warren Sap coach in the defensive line.
They got a chance to win the Big twelve. Now
if they win the Big twelve, they get a bye.
So the twelve team playoffs starts December twentieth. They'd play
on like the twenty seventh, and if they won, they'd
go into January, which is good because the NFL season
(30:42):
doesn't end, you know, till late January. So even the
timing works out for Deon Sanders. If they win the
Big Twelve and they get to play, they'll get a
buy The Big Twelve winner gets to buy, so they
won't play until like December twenty seventh. If they win,
they play like the second or third. I don't think
Colorado would win two games in the playoffs potentially, but
I mean, they got the best two players in college football,
(31:04):
arguably Travis Hunter and shir Sanders. But it would all
work out timing wise. I think it would work. And
I think you gotta take swings in life, especially when
you're down. I don't think I think Dallas is seven
players away. I really do from competing with Detroit or Buffalo.
I'm talking seven players, two running backs, another star receiver,
(31:27):
another edge rusher, a great defensive tackle, a great left tackle.
They're not close. Jmack with the.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
News, No, no, no.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Turn on the news. This is the headline news to
start with. Drake may Guy. I cannot get enough of
This kid is so talented.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
His best game of the season against the Rams, thirty
for forty, a lot of passes, two hundred and eighty two.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Yards, two touchdowns.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
The Patriots lost, but that didn't stop Sean McVeigh from
noticing the opposing quarterback.
Speaker 6 (31:58):
He looks like a stud You know, I didn't do
too much work on him coming out, but I do
know that a lot of people that studied him really
hard that you know that I truly respect their you know,
their opinions, loved what he was all about. You can see,
you know, just the impact that he has on his teammates,
the way people talk about him here, he looks like
he's gonna be a special player for a long time.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
And he gave us fits today. Yeah, the people said
he was justin Herbert, but he wasn't quite as polished
as Herbert was coming out of Oregon. So his rookie.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
Ranking here complete of percentage is second yards per attempt,
meaning not all dink and dunks, second total yards per
game second.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
He is winning with his leg. There is some Herbert
to him.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
That's not a bad comp Also, he's he is working
with the least talented offensive roster of all the rookies.
You put him in Chicago with the weapons games, it's
a totally different ballgame. And it's not like the Patriots
offensive line. I mean, even even you can say what
you want about Denver's roster. They have a great left tackle,
Courtland Sutton's at one. They also have good tight ends,
and I like their backs like but Denver's got players
(32:57):
he not working with much he doesn't have if he
doesn't have a skill player that would start for any
of the other that would start for like Chicago.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
It's a tiny sample size, but it's the start of something,
and it's disappointing because now if you look at the
quarterbacks and the division, Josh Allen obviously number one. I
think you could make a credible case two is the
second best quarterback in the division, well and healthy Drake
May is third, and Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
I think by next year, if you can get because
you're not paying Drake May for four years, if you
can get Drake weapons T Higgins, if you get him
at T Higgins, you get him a great left tackle,
you upgrade the running back room. It will be Josh
Allen and then we can argue over Drake Man two
He's a bigger, bigger, stronger armed than Tua. So the
Jets would be last with the worst quarterback of.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
The divisions easily, despite having a better roster than Miami
and the Patriots, no question.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Gosh, it's frustrating. Finally, let's move on. Second story. Detroit Lions.
This is weird. I had not seen this story.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
The Lions are being accused of running up the score
after destroying Jacksonville fifty two to The Lions the lead
the NFL and point differential plus one point fifty nine,
and they have scored fifty points in multiple.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Games this season.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
They have three wins by at least thirty eight and
Dan Campbell he doesn't care. He's not taking his foot
off the gas.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
Well, there's always things to clean up.
Speaker 7 (34:16):
I mean, there's there was things in all three units,
you know, like of basically one of the things that
came up here is well, yeah, well, how do you
improve on scoring every possession?
Speaker 3 (34:23):
Right?
Speaker 7 (34:23):
Well, we could there was about three of them. We
could have scored five plays sooner or four play sooner,
you know, and it worked out in that game. But
what if you are playing Green Bay, you play in Minnesota,
you playing in Kansas City, whatever it is. You're in
one of these, you know, and you're you're having to
go score for score or whatever is going on.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
First of all, how embarrassing for any football fan or
football executive or player to complain about pouring it on.
This is not Alabama against Citadel. It's professional football. Who's complaining.
Who's saying they're running it up? Call them out? That's
Harris Losers calling him out.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
Interesting game this weekend, Lions at the Colts. Lions are
laying over a touchdown. Have you given much thought to
this game?
Speaker 1 (35:11):
I know it's early. Anything I've told you. I like
the Colts. I think they're an interesting team. I think
ideally you would have sat Anthony Richardson for a year,
but they didn't. So we're watching in real time all
the bumps and turbulence. But if you watched him last weekend,
(35:32):
you know why I went in the first round. He
was running over people and he was taken no dink dunk.
Anthony Richardson was throwing that ball down the field. So again,
mahomes sat. Lamar's sad. You know a lot of times
when you don't sit, we get to see all the warts.
Caleb we see all of them, but there are moments
(35:53):
with Anthony Richardson where you're like and I think benching
him really in some weird way work.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
What's interesting about this game is so the Lions had
this division. They've played Tennessee and Jacksonville. They hung fifty
on them, crushed them at home. They went to Houston
for that night game, really scuffled on the road, ended
up winning. Now they go on the road again against
the Colts, and the Colts I think they're live in this.
I don't know to win it out right, but I
think this is going to be a close game. And
(36:21):
I have been backing the Lions.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
The game in Indy.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Yeah, what's the Lions seven and a half?
Speaker 1 (36:27):
I would take Indy. I think I would take Indy.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
I mean everybody's going to be betting the Lions obviously,
because they're a covering machine. I just think Anthony Richardson
and Taylor can make if you can play keep away
from that Detroit offense and you don't let them run wild,
we'll see.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
I think there's something here.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
I don't know if it's headlines material yet for Friday,
but we'll consider it. Final story Colin Boy Kyle. Shanahan
says that Brock Purdy is dealing with right shoulder soreness
and the quarterback is day to day.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Well, he is a smaller athlete.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
Shanahan added he didn't think that shoulder impacted Parties play
against Seattle, but the party would be closely monitored this week,
the Niners are in some trouble here and rock Party.
This is a contract here for him.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
I don't know, uh you would I would not. I'd
be very reluctant to. I would give him a low
thirty million dollar contract. Thirty you start out, you pay
him fifty five. I come on, there's a lot of
numbers between thirty and fifty five, so he has value.
Speaker 4 (37:34):
Shanahan has had some success when not paying your quarterback
top dollar.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
Right, Party on that. A couple of years ago, you
were on that big tangent on the show the new
NFL was go get a scrub and don't pay him anything.
Right now, Party's not a scrub.
Speaker 4 (37:48):
Obviously he's good. But here's my question, and this is
my big pushback on the party stiff. Let's say Shanahan said,
we love you, thank you for your service.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
You could test the market. My guy let somebody else
overpay who is given him a huge contract? Now, let
me ask.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
And I've gone through the team, so I mean I
kind of know that somebody.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
Would give him a contract. But here what what? Well,
I don't know, puts a number on him, put a number.
Nobody's giving him fifty million here at thirty two? Okay, Yeah,
he could get a Baker Mayfield type contract. He could
get a Kirk Cousins coming on me. Ask you this.
So I don't know the answer to this. Is this
his fourth year or third? I think it's his third,
but he was a seventh round pick.
Speaker 4 (38:21):
I don't so he doesn't have the first round rookie
scale where you get the guy for an extra year.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
So he has to be paid this offseason. Yes, I'd
be very very I think they should have started moving
off people last year. Like I love George Keittle, He's
got value. You can't move off. Why can't I he's
one of the core guys in your life. By the way,
this big this is his third season, So they do
get one more year on the rookie contract. Uh No,
(38:49):
I'll look at the at ther I don't know the
answer to that.
Speaker 4 (38:51):
You know he's up he's gonna be a free like,
they gotta pay him.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
You gotta pay right now. Yeah, yeah, I think in
a strong quarterback, I would redraft. But you gotta draft
a quarterback every year. But this idea that like, I
think they'll pay him. I think they will.
Speaker 4 (39:08):
But then they got to start moving off the Deebo Samuels.
I mean, Trek Williams is like in his late thirties.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
The team's getting old quick. They should have drafted offensive
tackle last year was a very good offensive tackle draft.
They should have drafted a tackle last year, not Ricky Pearson.
Oh well, you know what really hurt them was that
Trey Lance failed. They give up a.
Speaker 4 (39:26):
Bunch of draft picks to move up. And now even
if you hit one or two of those picks that
they gave up, you're.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
In great shape.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
They went over because Lance, they had to move off
of him. And I want to make a case for the.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
Niners to bounce back here, But colin that schedule we
talked about here.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
They're a five and five team for a reason.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Kee's under contract according to the producers.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Okay, so that means I don't have to pay him
next year. Well, no quarterback wants to go into a
lane to tough luck. Nobody Jordan Love got paid. I
was a lot more. He was a first round pick.
So basically, I don't the Niners do not have to
pay brock pretty next year. Why in the.
Speaker 4 (40:06):
World they know that nobody would do that. They're not
going to do that. That's bad business. Hey, we're not
going to pay you. You're under contract.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
We're not saying that he breaks a leg, shoulder injury.
That's his fault. That's his problem, it's not mine. He
did this with Jordan Love. We could roll the tape
will Jordan Love is an elite athletic talent, but he
wasn't before they paid him.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
He had like eight games ample size of being good.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
He was insane at the end of last year.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Heard he was third in the MVP Award last year.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
Dude, if the team drafted Love in the first round,
they believed, and then they saw every practice he's bigger,
he's faster, he's more athletic. Playing with a bunch of kids,
he's been spectacular. This guy's playing with an all star
team and he was spectacular. Context. I would not pay
(40:56):
and I got nothing against the kid, but the idea
that I have to pay broad pretty early. Why, that's
how the NFL works. No, No, no, it works that
way for Josh Allen, for quarterbacks. No, for stud No, everybody.
Jordan loves a stud. He's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
For eight games last year. You know, party's been better
for longer.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Nobody. If you ask every GM in the league, you
have to pay fifty million a quarters. No, that's a
different things. None of them would pay pretty that if
you had a choice. Thirty two out of thirty two
would pay Jordan Love. And by the way, packer's pay
Jordan Love.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
How are how are they looking this year?
Speaker 1 (41:31):
Not as good as we thought? He got hurt?
Speaker 4 (41:34):
OKAYI Willis came in in one one games.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
The Rock Perty's discussion is my favorite in the history
of our shows.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
It's not mine, it's my least favorite. J Mack with
the news. Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping
by the herd Line News. You see that video or
Purty just fell down running to the right this weekend.
Nobody touched him.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
I didn't see that one play of Rock Purty failing.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
Kind of an indictment, That's how I viewed it. Okay, Well,
Michael Irvin and Nick wright were both spectacular. Today we
have had a run on guests. They bring it. Our
guests do not come up short. They empty the tank
on this show and we love them for it.
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