Hour 3 - Roasting Tom Brady

3-time Super Bowl champion Julian Edelman joins the show to talk about his experience preparing for and performing at the Tom Brady Roast

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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Julian Edelman now is joining US live. I so I
didn't know this before, but I just discovered this in
the preamble before we went on the air. So you
did the roast. Yeah, and that's a big crowd. It
wasn't tiny.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
How big?

Speaker 1 (00:38):
Tell the audience how big it was.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
It was a fifteen thousand at the Forum.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
Okay, so down the road the Forum, that's where the
you know, that was a showtime Lakers. So you did
something to prepare, which takes a lot of courage. And
this is so Julian Edelman, this in such a patriot way.
Tell the audience what you did to prepare.

Speaker 3 (00:59):
Well, I found out I was doing the show probably
two and a half weeks before the show, and you know,
all the athletes were pretty nervous just because you're gonna
get on stage you're gonna talk with in front of
a whole lot of people, and you're also talking with
professionals or going against professionals. These guys do this for

(01:20):
a living in the comics. So I was getting super nervous.
Jeff Ross we were doing our like our brainstorm meetings
where his team was there, my team was together. We'd
get on a zoom link and we'd go over jokes,
we went over what we wanted to hit. They had
some things for us, and you know, it was getting overwhelming.

(01:43):
So Jeff could kind of feel that for me, and
he goes, Hey, I'm gonna do the Comedy Store next Thursday.
Why don't you come on and I'll have you on
the back set back part of my set. And I said, awesome,
let's do it. So the fact that you said awesome,
I treated it like a game. I needed walk through reps.

(02:04):
I needed a preseason game, and then I wanted to
go hit the game, you know what I mean. So
the walkthrough reps was with my team where I would
perform in front of them and I would do our
jokes in front of them, like we were in full
roast mode. For two weeks. Everyone we all hated each
other by the end of it, because everyone's making a
joke about each other just to kind of get the
jokes going. And it was very nerve wracking going to

(02:26):
the Comedy Store on a Thursday, because I did about
twelve minutes there.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
Whoa, and that's a lot of material.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
It was because you wanted to go fat so you
could see reactions and it was good to get that
rep because you know, some part of your jokes, when
you're setting a joke up, people start laughing or start
or start talking about it, or you get paused up.
So it was good to feel that so then you
could deliver the end of the joke. So you know,

(02:54):
I go there and it was nerve wracking because it's
very intimate at the at the comedy Store. Yeah, I
mean there's like six five four hundred people. Three hundred
people were in one of the bigger rooms and everyone's
right up on you. Thankfully, we had a group of
like twenty five year old frat bros that knew everything
about sports. So my material was flying. I was good.

(03:16):
I was good, but it was a good rep to have.
And after that, going into the roast, you know, I
felt a lot more confident for the show, just because
I could feel the beats of when I was going
up there, Like I one of the jokes, you're you're
performing something, and I said, you barrels chested, sob for
Bill and people started laughing. But that was the first

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part of my joke. So then I knew going into
the roast that people are probably gonna laugh at that.
I got to take a beat, then I get back
to my joke and then deliver. So it was, it was.
It was a fun experience, nerve wracking.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
Let me tell you something. When you did twelve minutes,
did you have a paper next to you?

Speaker 3 (03:54):
I had cards, So yeah, you did. I had. I
had all my cards on jokes. And by the end,
I mean, I knew my jokes, but I was shaking
at the comedy store. I mean, you know, I'm not
a comic by any means.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
I think comics probably from time to time get nervous
on sets.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
Yeah, and when I got to the roast the day before,
you know, it's kind of like get into a game early.
You get to see where the shot, you know, the
playclock is. You can get to see the field, and
you saw where everyone was sitting, so you could dictate
your jokes to the certain people. Saw mister Kraft, I
saw it s Guerrero, so I could see where they
were going to be in the crowd, so I could

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go to them. And it was I treated it like
a football game.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
So when you were in uh, you know, the cocktail
room or the the the green room they call it
in our industry before you go out. We have it here.
We call it the avocado room. It's California, of course,
in the green room when you guys are all there
before you go out, intense.

Speaker 3 (04:56):
Now you have a lot of legends, yeah, in one room,
and all the athletes were with the athletes, you know,
and so you could see guys were nervous, but they
didn't want to show their nervousness. So guys would, you know,
go to the bathroom kind of run their lines by themselves.
No one wanted to do it because you didn't want
to have your material in front of other people. But

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it was definitely guys were definitely nervous. But it was
honestly very fun to catch up with a lot of guys.
I mean our gream room. We had Randy Gronk, Bill
Me Bledsoe and we were just like, it was so
fun to hear the old war stories. Bill opened up.
He was telling we were talking about rookie skits and

(05:39):
stuff because we were in skit mode with the whole roast,
and it was a fun, it was a fun experience.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
How much of it did Tom know was coming or
did he go there and just sit and listen? I
mean he had material too, But I mean.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
I kept reiterating to the to the writers, and I'm like,
is everything on limits here?

Speaker 4 (06:00):
Like?

Speaker 3 (06:00):
Are we good? Like we could talk this, we could
talk chat they go. He said, everything's good, Oh boy.
And I was still a little nerve, nervous going into
with my set with certain things just because family stuff.
But then once the first five minutes of the roast
happened and and Kevin Hart dropped his opening lines, I
was like, oh, we're good, We're good. He cleared the air,

(06:24):
Which that's a good teammate. He did that to probably
make us feel comfortable with what we were gonna say.
And you could really see the professionals, the Kevin Hart's,
the Jeff Rosses, the Nicky Glazers, all of them, all
the comics. You could see why they were professionals because
of with Kevin, like you you, I was watching teleprompter

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the whole time. I wanted to see how how people
were going to deliver off teleprompters, because there were teleprompters
everywhere and you could see them. And with Kevin, he
could pull something from what someone just said and it
would be a completely different term or whatever then what
the teleprompter said, but he would be able to get
back into the prompter to keep the show going. Like

(07:06):
that's when you see professionals at work. Along with Jeff,
along with Nikki. I mean, all these these comics, that's
why they're pros. They know how to entertain. They knew
how to pull things, bring things and listen and then deliver.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
I thought Albert Breer said this that the roast was
a Patriots therapy session to get stuff out that you
probably kind of wanted to get out, but in a
funny way, so it wasn't as hurtful.

Speaker 3 (07:35):
Yeah, fully, I mean I looked right at Bill when
I said my joke to him.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
And he loved it. That's the thing. He laughed hardest that.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
You know what. I didn't get a lot of TV
time on that dynasty, so he probably laughed at my job.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
He still liked you, No, but your your joke was bad.
And I was talking to somebody who said Bill used
to say that all the time.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
All the time.

Speaker 4 (07:59):
Basically, I can find a guy at Foxborough High that
can do this.

Speaker 3 (08:03):
Yeah, well, Foxborough High is the only job opportunity you had, coach,
And I love saying it now, but it was all
of love and he was I thought he was a
great sport.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
I thought Bill, you know what. I thought Bill won
the night.

Speaker 3 (08:14):
He did a really good job.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
Because Bill came in fair, not Bill came in viewed
by the league as a little combative. Hey, I'm gonna
do things my way. And I watched that and I thought,
if I was an owner a GM, I'm like, Okay,
that's the Bill I've heard about, the happy, the fun Bill.
He's a serious man.

Speaker 4 (08:35):
But I thought after it, I'm like, okay, and he's
been good on McAfee, and I'm like, Okay, this is
the Bill that I think is totally hirable.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
He got you know, listen, I understand coaches, but Bill's
Bill's rep for about two years. At the end, there
was a clunky.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
Yeah, time was ending over there, and you know that's
anytime you're in any area or with anyone or any opportunity,
any job. For a long time time, things get stale.
I thought it was a great night for him. I
thought it meant probably a lot for Brady to see
him there. You know, the the tension with the shot

(09:11):
with him and mister krafft great TV.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
But it's not that one. Here's the thing, Julian, in
my opinion, that one's never gonna be close. But I
do think Tom and Bill and this was a real
ice breaker. I think they really do know how much
they meant for each other.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
They love each other, and I've always said that it
just sometimes it takes time, after a long time being
together to realize that. And you know, I could specifically
remember when TV went to Tampa Bay and he would
say things like, you know, everything that's normal that we're

(09:49):
used to doing is not normal. So all the stuff
he used to complain about he wanted isn't that interesting?
You know what I mean? And you know that they
definitely each other, I feel, I mean they could be
I could be completely wrong, but you know we needed
both of them.

Speaker 4 (10:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
I think what Bill provided for Tom was he never
had to win, mostly by shootouts, which even if your
mahomes is hard. And I think what Tom provided was
a fairly eagoless quarterback. There's not a lot of superstar
athletes in America that don't bring some crap to the table,

(10:28):
and Tom really didn't. And so in the end, what
they provided to each other was very rare. Tom for
fifteen years, eighteen years never had a bad old line
or a crappy defense. That just doesn't happen in pro football.
You always have you know, you lose a free agent,
you lose a pass rusher. And I think they both gave.
I think both now look back at it and think
in the area. It's funny that you say the Tampa thing,

(10:51):
it's just like a relationship. You leave it, the grass
is greener, and you're like, yeah, that ain't great. I
miss that.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
Yeah, you know it's uh.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
Didn't have that because you were a Patriot.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
I never had that.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
But you've talked to guys.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
I've talked to guys, and when guys leave, you know,
they they realized why it was a tough environment and
why we won when they left, you know, And it's
hard to say that when with with Brady leaving and
going win in a Super Bowl. But uh, you know,
I always explain it like this, Tom always had a chip,

(11:28):
and we all knew Tom played better when he was
pissed off. You said that, Yeah, And what did Bill
like to do piss off Tom? And what did Tom
do get pissed off and play great football?

Speaker 1 (11:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (11:42):
Like, I don't know if it's super Jedi mind tricks
that Bill played, because sometimes it was a lot. But
I think that's what he thought he had to do
to motivate Tom to get the best out of him.
You know.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
The other thing is you're obviously still close with guys,
and now you're the father and your life's changed and
there's different things of importance. But I don't know why
I always think about this. Whenever a football team is good,
I always think winning on the road is cooler because
to get on a plane and fly home for four

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hours after a win on the road against a good team,
I'm like, that is guy time. That is even better
at locker room you go in media, is there you shower?
That's the part of your life that where I look
as a sportscaster, not the money. It's like to be
on those planes with Brady and Gronk and road wins

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are those special to you.

Speaker 3 (12:41):
My favorite win of my career that wasn't a super
Bowl was the eighteen AFC Championship when we went to
Kansas City. Like we didn't we had the stigma that
we couldn't win on the road. We've been hearing it
for years. We lost to Denver twice in the AFC
Chamchampionship in Denver. To go there play in a hostile

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environment against a young, sexy, new generation team, we were
kind of that old team that was, you know, the
old generation holding on and to go out there and
compete and everyone perform and be a part of the
contribution to going out there when there's nothing like going
home on that plane with the guys. Like you said,

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when when you're at home, you got twenty minutes and
guys are out of there. You gotta go get your family,
You got the media there when you have a three
hour flight, you're in there. Guys are bumping music, guys
are having fun. There could be some cocktails on there
that's aren't supposed to be on there, but it's literally
that's the most That's the number one thing you miss

(13:47):
when you when you leave the game, is that camaraderie
of that away trip flight back home. So I was right,
you were right.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
That's what I think about Mark Sanchez when they beat
the Chargers. It was a foggy day in San Diego.
Remember that Sanchez went west, foggy and a good Charger team,
And I'm like, man, You've got five and a half
hours flying back. He's like, you have no idea. That
is just great living. You cannot duplicate that.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
You can't. You can't.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
Julian Aedelman, by the way, he has a podcast, Games
with Names. It's really good. They have a new episode
every Tuesday. One of my favorite people is on this week,
Drew Bledsoe. I love Drew and I always think Drew's
had an interesting life. He was replaced by the greatest
player ever, and it minimizes how great Drew was, who
had By the way, I thought, maybe the funniest joke

(14:37):
in the whole thing, Tom there's two things I have.
I was a number one pick and I'm celebrating my
twenty eighth wedding anniversary. I thought that was a great line.
But Drew kind of gets beat up, not on purpose,
but because of Tom's greatness. And I love that you
guys all rally around him. I think he's a special guy.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
Well, Drew's a pivotal part of one of those pillars
that help build this whole thing early on in the
Patriot dynasty. He's always been a great sport about it.
And that's got to be a very tough situation because
he's a baller. If you I mean we threw the

(15:14):
ball on Sunday night when we did that podcast. That
guy can still sling it, like you could see why
he was He looks the part. Oh he amber one
number one draft pick. He picks up and Tom used
to say it all the time. He could pick up
any ball fresh out the box and he could just
sling it, big hands. Just I mean, he's a great sport.

(15:37):
He was a humble guy about that whole situation. If
you've watched and heard the stories of how he handled
a young twenty five year old or twenty three year
old kid coming in and taking his job after getting
a huge contract, Like he was still a team guy.
And that's the Patriot way, you know, not doing what's

(16:00):
best for you, but doing what's best for the team.
That was on the wall when we walked in every
day mental toughness, doing what's best for the team when
it may not be the best for you. Andrews that
he's in there.

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Speaker 1 (16:43):
Good stuff from Julian Edelman. Jamack with the news, Turn.

Speaker 3 (16:50):
On the news.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
This is the Herd Line News.

Speaker 5 (16:54):
Breaking news colin here.

Speaker 4 (16:55):
In the last fifteen minutes, the league has announced his suspension.

Speaker 5 (16:58):
For Patrick Beverly. He got a whopping four games.

Speaker 1 (17:02):
That's what that's it?

Speaker 3 (17:04):
I mean?

Speaker 4 (17:05):
Is Adam Silver aware that Patrick Beverley threw up basketball
at twice twice unbelievable. He was also reprimanded for his
inappropriate interaction with a reporter when he asked when he
said he would not answer a question because the lady.

Speaker 5 (17:19):
Didn't follow his podcast.

Speaker 3 (17:22):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (17:22):
This just changed things.

Speaker 4 (17:23):
I thought everye's gonna get at least minimum ten twenty games.

Speaker 5 (17:26):
I mean this throwing a basketball at.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
All, I cannot I cannot believe that. I mean, Jamal
Murray threw stuff on the floor and got one hundred
thousand dollars fine and he makes thirty three million a year.
This is I mean, Silver's always been very pro player. Yeah,
that leads me to believe. Well, didn't they say those

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fans said can coon on free?

Speaker 4 (17:51):
What?

Speaker 5 (17:52):
That's not the worst thing in the world. I've probably
said worst thing.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
I mean that it'd be one thing if they incited
them and there was some ratio comment like cam Kun
on three is like a bad pleached Tarulf.

Speaker 5 (18:04):
Berkley says that every night on television, doesn't he in
reference to these.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
Guys, Yeah he does. Yeah, that's that's light I think.

Speaker 6 (18:11):
Anyways.

Speaker 4 (18:12):
All right, next stuff is the cab they drop Game
one to these Celtics by twenty five easy cover.

Speaker 5 (18:18):
I don't know the line.

Speaker 4 (18:19):
I don't know if you've seen it, tonight, Colin Celtics
are minus thirteen and a half. Anyways, Donovan Mitchell had
thirty three in game one. He says there is a
chance for a bounce back to brush off their poor
performance and potentially steal one in Boston.

Speaker 6 (18:34):
I think the biggest thing is just mentally understanding what's coming.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
You know what's coming with it.

Speaker 6 (18:38):
It's you know, and understanding you know, we've played these
guys before and it's them. I mean, it's completely different,
to be honest. You know, you're protecting the pay, protecting
pay for seven games, hammering home and now you got
to get out to guys and it's not just like
it's two guys, it's really one through fifteen, you know
what I mean. So understanding that, but you got to
go through a game like this. You got to get
that to understand it. And you know, like I said,

(18:59):
we had a slug for game when I'm not using
that as an excuse. They came in out here and
did what they were supposed to do, and now we
got to find way to steal game two.

Speaker 4 (19:08):
Massive underdogs tonight, listen, this is the spot Miami stole one.
Remember in game two, they hit like twenty five threes
or whatever, and they were able to steal the victory.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
Well, when I don't, when there's a line that's this lobsided, generally,
I trust Vegas. Yeah, you know how, sometimes you'll see
in the NFL, like I won't see it often, but
it may happen every third or fourth week. I'll see
a line and I don't get it, and through the
years I've doubted it and got burned it didn't. Now

(19:38):
I do think, and it doesn't happen very often at all,
but I do think every week Vegas has a line
that is there for the taking. You and I talk
about this. Sometimes you get a couple of them, you
don't generally get them. After Monday, the line moves and
you're done. So if you're a real gambler, you know,
Sunday night or Monday morning, there's usually a line that
clearly is in favor of the better. But then about

(20:02):
five times a year there's a line, maybe not even
five that you just don't even understand the line. And
this is a line that feels way lopsided to me.
So my take is they're saying Tatum's gonna have a
bigger game, Tatum's gonna be more forceful and they're gonna
blow them out.

Speaker 4 (20:17):
Yeah. Well, I don't know if you've seen Pacers Knicks
game three. Have you seen the line for that at Indy?

Speaker 1 (20:22):
What is it?

Speaker 5 (20:23):
Let me get let me guess it's eight Indie favorite
Bay eight.

Speaker 4 (20:26):
Now we don't know about what the ogn and O
b Well, I could see the Knicks honestly resting, No,
I could I could see the next resting one of
those guys and just saying, listen, we're ending game sevens
at our place.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
We have the momentum. I could see Indy winning that game.

Speaker 5 (20:42):
Yeah, yeah, I don't see Cleveland stealing this one. I
will just say Donovan Mitchell is like I know we
all love Anthony Edwards. I get it. Donovan Mitchell's won multiple.

Speaker 4 (20:52):
Playoff series like by himself. Remember he took down Paul
George and Russell Westbrook. Like, this guy is a budding star.
I think the bidding or if he says no to
Cleveland is fascinating. I don't know that he fits in
Philly with MAXI would he work with.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
No No, because he'll take shots away Maxi's really a
shooting guard despite his size. They need a they don't
need another ball centric guy.

Speaker 5 (21:14):
So what do they need Kevin Durant.

Speaker 1 (21:15):
No, they need just a like a Mike Conley, a
grown up who can score twelve but doesn't need shots.
MBT and Maxie are going to take your shots. Then
you need defenders. You got to get a point guard
that can defend and distribute, and then defenders in length
on the wings. But you got your two stars.

Speaker 4 (21:34):
I have for headlines tomorrow we're doing six or free agency,
and I have one that'll probably blow your mind.

Speaker 5 (21:40):
Nobody has it on the radar yet.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
Very excited for me.

Speaker 4 (21:42):
Yes, yes, final story is the Phoenix Suns Colin So
they had high expectations this year. Remember they ended the
regular season hot. A lot of people, including the Bozo
speaking currently pick them to take down the Timberwolves.

Speaker 5 (21:54):
Did not happen.

Speaker 4 (21:55):
Listen, the future supposed to be bleak all of a sudden,
but Bright Windhorse of ESPN says the Suns will not
break up their big three. Instead, they will tweak the
roster around them. Okay, we like to follow breadcrumbs.

Speaker 5 (22:11):
What do you what do you make of this report
from Bryan? Bryan Wanworth's very credible.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
I've had him on my part the audience the report
one more time. Basically, they're gonna tweak everything around the big.

Speaker 4 (22:21):
Three, not breaking up the bel Durant Booker trio, not
breaking it up.

Speaker 1 (22:26):
Well, Grayson Allen was effective until he got hurt.

Speaker 5 (22:28):
He did get hurt in that serious.

Speaker 6 (22:31):
What do you.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
Well the way Minnesota is trashing Denver. Maybe Minnesota's just
their year.

Speaker 4 (22:40):
Fair or you were looking to move Kevin Durant the movies.
We're not trading anybody, We are not doing anything. We
are standing pat and then quietly you go behind the scenes.
You don't like a feeding frenzy out there. Then Durant's
price goes down.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
That's interesting.

Speaker 5 (22:57):
I still think that they're gonna They're gonna have to
do something.

Speaker 1 (22:59):
Well. They have a lot of duplication and they don't
have a point guard like Philadelphia, and we are seeing
like the Clippers before Harden, no matter how good your
wings and bigs are, if you don't have the quarterback
to get you into your offense. That's why the Knicks
can win without great talent because they have a great quarterback,
and why the Sixers with better talent can't because they

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have no quarterback. So you've got to have somebody that
can run the offense, then you put your scoring on
the wings and at the biggs. Your point guard doesn't
have to be a great score. Steph Curry and Isaiah
Thomas were offensive minded point guards that won titles. But generally,
you know, the hard and more I'm going to take
the most shots and have the ball historically doesn't win titles.

Speaker 4 (23:42):
I'll also, they need toughness, colin and room protection like
nurkic sn is soft, you know, like they need toughness inside.

Speaker 5 (23:48):
They couldn't stop anybody Anthony Edwards driving.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
To the Hoosa. So what are you suggesting when you
say that? So you're saying they need an aggress like
a Julius Randall.

Speaker 4 (23:57):
Yeah, that would be a solid fit for these not
really a rim protector.

Speaker 5 (24:01):
But I don't know that's the problem these guys.

Speaker 4 (24:05):
There's not a lot of guys like that who are
just gonna be on the market, you know, Like.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
I even think the Knicks they're gonna make a move,
but it's got to be the right move. I mean,
if you wanted to retain, let's say you're willing to
move off Dee Vincenzo, although he is a good three
ball shoot value.

Speaker 5 (24:21):
His contract is like eleven million dollars a year.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
But I mean, if you didn't want to move brunts
in which they won't or og so you don't want
to move those two, you'll move Randall. Do you need
to get another great score? I could argue you don't.
What you need is another scorer.

Speaker 4 (24:38):
So like you don't want to break the band up,
you don't want to give up away four for one.

Speaker 1 (24:42):
But you have to make the you have to make
the salaries match. So Randal's the guy that's the He's
gonna be gone because he has a big enough salary
so I can go get Apaulo.

Speaker 5 (24:51):
Joeing off an injury. I don't know what his value is. Well,
I mean Mitchell Robinson.

Speaker 1 (24:55):
How many stars in this lee aren't hurt? Embat Is,
Giannis is Dame was Paul George is not hurt, but
he's had injuries. Kawhi is lebron A d had a
great year, but a lot of the older stars are
missing games.

Speaker 5 (25:08):
Okay, let me give your name. It sounds like the
Pelicans are kind of done with him. He's a three.

Speaker 4 (25:13):
But Brandon Ingram it sounds like he's going to be
brilliantly brue for the next Does he fit Sixers Nicks.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
I'll be honest with you, he can give me twenty
two and a half a night. I don't. I think
he's an easy hang. He's not a disruptive personality. That's
not that's not bad. That's it. By the way, he
is a poor man's KD, a little.

Speaker 4 (25:33):
Bit homeless man's KD. Well, come on, I'm not being listen.
He just he's like an empty calorie score. He could
go out and get you twenty eight and you lose,
and you're like, oh, Ingram had a nice game.

Speaker 5 (25:43):
He's not like.

Speaker 4 (25:44):
A I don't know if he fits their kind of
tough culture.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (25:49):
He's interesting name.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
It's funny when you talk about that. A lot of
people didn't think A D was a tough guy. He
was gifted, but he was always hurt, wouldn't play through pain,
And then in the last year and a half had shifted.
A D plays hurt all the time, plays all the time,
and shows all sorts of toughness. So when guys come
into this league, unlike the NFL, when they come in

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their twenty three, you's one of these guys coming at nineteen,
and they developed toughness. When you you're nineteen, you're not
fully refined and developed. But the time you're twenty five
or six, you have a better sense of what you are.
So some guys you can label as kind of a
like a d's reputation. And I'm telling you this from
executives in the league. When he was in New Orleans,
a lot of top execs were like, he's soft. Well,

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I don't think AD's soft at all. And you hell no,
not when you're playing by Lebron. But you only went
to college for one year at Kentucky. So it took
him time to develop his true basketball person.

Speaker 4 (26:40):
By the way, he was like a guard growing up
and then he had like that seven inch growth, so
he wasn't.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
When he was young. He wasn't guarding bigs, no guard.

Speaker 3 (26:47):
He was a ball handling guard.

Speaker 5 (26:48):
That's why he likes to shoot threes on the perimeter.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (26:50):
So, anyways, a lot of fun stuff NBA off season
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tonight at nine thirty Eastern on FS like. You're gonna
play Brunson or Brunts out?

Speaker 1 (28:07):
You give me a player with Jalen Brunson, and I'll
tell you would I rather have Brunson or that star
player for next season? Oh boy, ready to go?

Speaker 5 (28:18):
This is gonna be challenging.

Speaker 4 (28:20):
Brunson or brunts out. Jalen Brunson or Anthony Edwards.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
That's one of the easier ones. Anthony Edwards is becoming
really an elite defender and an elite offensive player. Brunson's
more about polished fundamentals and just a more dynamic athlete.
Twenty two years old, best ten years or ahead of him.
That's an easy one, okay.

Speaker 5 (28:40):
Jalen Brunson or Donovan Mitchell.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
I would take Brunson because I think he's a better leader,
and he's a better facilitator of others around him, and
I get a more consistent game. Donovan's gonna be a
bit hot and cold shooting the ball, so I'll take Brunson.

Speaker 4 (28:56):
Okay, I'm on record, I don't like this one. Jalen
Brunson or Tatum.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
I would take Tatum. Better two way player, bigger at
you know, the NBA is getting bigger, not smaller, and
Tatum's a big, long athlete. I got it. He can
score at the rim, perimeter, transition post. I would take Tatum, Okay.

Speaker 5 (29:15):
Jalen Brunson or shake Gilgis Alexison.

Speaker 4 (29:18):
Well, this is the hardest one for me. I take Brunson.
Brunson's playoff numbers are going up. SGA's are going down,
and again the facilitator. Now SGA can score and assist,
the numbers have come down. He is a high ball
usage rate guy, I worry about that, Luca.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
This one's a go either way. I think SGA is
a more dominant score over time. But Brunson's changing my
opinion on his scoring ability. He's dropping forty so I
think it's by an inch. Brunson, Yeah, I like it.

Speaker 5 (29:53):
Jalen Brunton or Anthony Davis.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
Well, Anthony Davis I thought was the best defensive player
in the league this year. He didn't get Final three,
which is ridiculous. Anthony's can be a little hot and
cold offensively, but Anthony Davis right now is a top
seven to eight player in the league. He had a
remarkable year, great year, and again the league's getting bigger,
not smaller. You gotta have Biggs, all.

Speaker 4 (30:18):
Right, Let's go Jalen Brunson or Devin Bookers.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
So this is an easy one for me.

Speaker 4 (30:24):
This is Brunson Booker before Chris Paul Phoenix was terrible.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
Booker's a score is he a great leader? The number
A one and done, get sweet, get swept team this year.
I think Brunson's the soul of the Knicks. I think
Booker's a really good player for the Phoenix sucks. He's
not the soul of it.

Speaker 5 (30:41):
That's a take.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
We don't even what's a take. You don't like that take,
you know what. Booker's a little more like you, though.
He considers defense a hobby, not a profession.

Speaker 4 (30:53):
So Booker on the Knicks in the East, he wouldn't
get swept in the first round.

Speaker 5 (30:56):
I'll tell you that East is a lot easier. But
that's an interesting all right.

Speaker 4 (31:01):
Jalen Brunton or Kevin Durant next year Brunson, Yeah, yeah,
I mean Kevin's lack of commitment.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
Kevin's also older, had more injuries. I again, I've never
felt Kevin is the soul of a team. I just
think he's brilliant. I think Brunson's brilliant and the soul
of a team. He's the foundational piece of a franchise.
It feels the team feels like an embodiment of Jalen Brunson.

Speaker 4 (31:28):
Yeah, now this one, Jalen Brunson or Joel.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
Mb Brunson's healthier, like I mean, mb played how many
games this year? Forty? He was hurting the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (31:38):
He was gonna be the MVP. They say, brunts into
a far less talent is gonna win a second round series.
MBD seven years never won a second round. I mean, now,
I know everybody thinks I'm nuts, but I you're telling
me who I could pick.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
To lead my team next season that, yeah, I would
take Brunson.

Speaker 6 (31:53):
I don't.

Speaker 5 (31:54):
I don't disagree. Jalen Brunson. Are Kawhi Leonard Brunson?

Speaker 3 (31:59):
I mean available.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
He's non verbal and I have to literally I have
to guess as a coach. When I show up at
three o'clock, I have no idea if he's playing. I
don't know what time. Coaches probably show up at one thirty.
But if I show up at one thirty, I don't.
At three o'clock, I'm like, is he playing or not?

Speaker 5 (32:15):
Do we have Kawhi today?

Speaker 1 (32:16):
I mean last night Brunson checks out of the game,
he's hobbled, and he comes back in and dominates the
second half. I mean the guy he's like, insay he's
playing hurt. I mean, he's just doing There's nothing I
don't like about.

Speaker 5 (32:27):
Everybody wants it, Jalen Brunson or Luca Dods.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
It's I think Luca is one of the great scores
in the history of the league. And he's big, six
seven to two, what is it, two thirty. He's a big,
strong athlete who's gonna be around forever. So I don't
you know, I mean again, at some point, like a
Tatum or Luca, I got a bigger, stronger athlete who

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can score at the rim. Can It's just different.

Speaker 5 (32:54):
And Luca's like the size of JJ Watt. He's six seven.
I don't think he's two thirty. I think he's probably
closer to forty.

Speaker 4 (33:01):
But like, yeah, finally, oh boy, Jalen Brunson or Lebron James.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
Well Head Lebron now lashed out that me yesterday for
my backwards half rant. Now, I think it's Lebron at
thirty nine, is still the better athlete. But I will
say this, Laker teams because of Lebron's style, they have
to he takes over the ecosystem. Well, what's that doing

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in the West? Visa b What Brunson taking over the
ecosystem of the Knicks is doing in the East. I
just I think I actually think and this is rare.
I think we're undervaluing what Brunson's doing. No Mitchell Robbinson,
no Randalls. So you lose your size. OG's hurt, You're hurt,
and you'd put on that second half plant last night.

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Like I think, what we're watching here is it's very
rare in the NBA that a star gets traded and
we don't realize he's a star until he goes to
the new place.

Speaker 4 (34:04):
Usually like, oh, we're losing a star. Nobody in Dallas
We're like, okay, we got the star.

Speaker 1 (34:09):
We're good here, we upgrade the Kyrie.

Speaker 4 (34:12):
Now. No, actually, you lost a superstar and you just
didn't know he was a superstar.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
It's very read. Didn't happen much.

Speaker 4 (34:20):
The only pushback on Brunt sett and I love him
and I'm a Knicks fan.

Speaker 5 (34:23):
Blah blah blah.

Speaker 4 (34:25):
If we did this exact same topic one year ago,
would it have been a clean sweep on the other
side opposite.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
R No, I would have taken SGA and probably Lebron
over Brunson.

Speaker 5 (34:35):
Lebron went to the conference finals last year.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
Yeah, I would have taken But I do you say,
well things have changed, well, Lebron is now a year older,
and SGA's numbers have come down in the playoffs, which
leads me to believe he needs to have the ball
in his hands a little less. And by the way,
Sam Presty's gonna build this team. He's got a lot
of draft capital. But I do think when numbers go
down for a great player, it's not because they aren't
playing hard. It's because usage rate. Guys out.

Speaker 4 (35:00):
You wouldn't have taken Brunson over Booker and Durant they
were they look good last postseason they ran to the Nuggets.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
Booker's an interesting player. So Booker's one of those guys
like Klay Thompson in his prime. Clay fit on every
team in the league. There are great players in the
NBA that don't fit on every team. MB doesn't fit
on every team. But Booker catch and shoot it. He
doesn't need to be your point guard. He doesn't need
to just catch it and give us twenty seven. Jamal

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Murray works on almost NBA team. So when you can
get a guy that's not huge ball usage rate and
is a good score, that's why Kevin Durant fits everywhere.
He can get the ball with three seconds left in
the shot clock and get a good look.

Speaker 4 (35:40):
So the one time Devin Booker played alongside a point guard,
Chris Paul, they went to the finals. If Klay Thompson
doesn't have a career, isn't spending his career next to
Steph Curry?

Speaker 5 (35:51):
Do we think of Klay Thompson like that?

Speaker 4 (35:52):
Like if Booker was next to Curry, I think we
would think of Booker as like probably an all time great, right,
just like Klay Thompson well.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
Is on the way, the Booker's a great two playing
with a a one. And yeah, I think what you're
saying is basically Clay and Booker are the same. They
would be much less relevant. They would both Clay needed
Steph to be that globally relevant, and I think Booker
would be more globally relevant if he had Steph. And

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I think that speaks to Steph's greatness, the ability to
not only be a superstar but make like Jerry West
made Gail Goodrich a household name. Jerry West had the
ball in his hands a lot, and then Gail Goodrich,
who was a shooting guard, ended up being you know,
he was a I don't know if he was a
shooting guard.

Speaker 3 (36:35):
He was a guard.

Speaker 5 (36:36):
Is that seventies or sixties?

Speaker 1 (36:37):
Stay, I have one seventies reference in every show, but
I Gaale was number twenty five. You wouldn't know Gail
Goodrich if he didn't have Jerry West. I mean he
was a good player, yeah, and he went to ucla
good player. But it's like to get a guard that
has the ball, has the scoring, and leaves you oxygen
to have your own game. That's very Chris Paul did

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that to Booker, Step did that to Clay. West, did
that to good Rich. So he allowed a lot of
times James Harden doesn't leave a lot of oxygen and
touches for his back court mate.

Speaker 4 (37:13):
And let's remember Clay pre back to back missing seasons
with the knee injury like that, Clay was totally different.
He was the best two way guard in the league,
probably right or one of them. He was like a
defensive guy, yeah.

Speaker 5 (37:26):
Back in the day. Devin Booker's never like you said,
he's never been like a defensive lockdown guy.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
No, no, but he I think he's a.

Speaker 5 (37:33):
More better off the bounce than Clay was.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
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