June 25, 2024 • 43 mins
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What welcome in. This is the Herd. Wherever you may
be and however you may be making this part of
your day. Thanks so much. I'm Doug gottl it in
for Colin Cowhert. You know, it's interesting. We're coming off
of what I said about Stephen A. Smith. Don't get
me wrong, it's an all time upset, right, a guy
who barely played in college sitting on the desk as
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a provocateur slash analyst slash commentator for the NBA Finals. Hey,
that's actually an upset. That's actually a good thing for
the industry that you don't have to Not all the
best people that talk about it have to have played it,
but you do have to do the work and know
it right. And I mean, look, if we're being honest,
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there's lots of people in lots of jobs that get
promoted and they don't have the quote unquote resume to
do so. And most people that hire will tell you,
if I have to look at your resume, I shouldn't
be hiring you anyway, right, shouldn't be hiring you anyway.
But regardless of which, what stephen A said was that
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black coaches and I guess I'm white, so I'm not
allowed to talk about this, even though he's talking about
it now white coach. Black coaches were telling were upset
that JJ was doing a podcast with Lebron while Darvin
Ham was on the hot seat. I don't understand the
correlation there, other than what's pretty obvious is he's calling
Lebron Jay when he's saying it's only a black thing.
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That means he's calling Lebron James the sellout for selling
his soul and talking to and doing a podcast with
a white man in JJ Reddick and not with his
head coach. I guess that's the point he's kidnap. I mean, really,
when it gets down to it, it's just there's gonna
be people that are bessed. And I haven't heard anybody
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in the coaching industry who was surprised that Darvin was
let go because it was pretty well known that that
was a bad fit. Just like in Phoenix, it was
a bad fit for Frank to be the head coach,
and Frank was better with the Lakers. Why Frank is
a nerd? Hey, Frank is a nerd. Frank was a
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manager at Kentucky and then he starred in the film room,
and he studies and studies and studies and has all
the answers based upon the data and based upon film study,
whereas Darvin was like, let's just go out and play hard.
That the nerd diardess aspect of it. Darvin Ham would
have been a better fit for Kevin Durant. Kevin Durant's
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trying to become more of a film guy, but he's not.
He likes to just play organic basketball. He's just a hooper.
So who your star fits with is really important. Lebron
James is really bright at basketball. He's pretty bright in life.
I mean, obviously we all make fun of how he
pretends to read books he doesn't read, but he's not
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an idiot, a bright dude, and he likes to surround
himself with people who are really really bright, especially in
basketball because he feels like. And there's an expression that
a couple of my coaching buddies and ex player buddies
come up with. We call him civilians, right like, people
who don't really understand basketball at that higher level. They're
just they're civilians. Don't worry about it, you know. And
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that's who you got to talk to when you're a broadcaster,
people who most people don't really they don't know what
a ghost screen is or you call it a vere
or a ghost. They don't care. They don't care. They
just why did that outcome happen? And who can we
blame for losing? That's really how it works out. So
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saying that Lebron is I mean, he didn't say the
word sellout, but when you say it's a black thing,
and he talks about black coaches and Lebron and basically
doing wrong to his black head coach to talking with
a white guy, you're saying he's a sellout. And you
can deny that, but everyone understands that. Everyone understands what
you're saying. I think that's awful. I think that's awful.
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You're a multi billion dollar company, you're also one of
the faces of the NBA. You're a broadcast partner with
the NBA, and you're calling the NBA's biggest star a
sellout because he did a podcast with somebody who he
respects in the in the at that time, in the
media space, and you're calling him a sellout for doing it,
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but by all means twenty five million a year. And look,
I actually get it. It's it's it's finding it's being
an opportunist. Hey, here's a window in which a window
in time in which I can benefit from so many
people having so much guilt over things that happened fifty
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years ago. Whereas in the basketball industry, in the basketball space,
this is not really a thing. It's just not you
treat people with respect, no matter what their race, their creed,
their color is. And if Hoopers are attracted to Hoopers
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and Lebron can be friends with whoever he wants, are
we now going to be critical of who he has
on I mean, like, look, everybody realizes on that show
The Shop. I mean there are people that were like,
why is that person in the shop just for politically
to look good? Right? Is that what we want? We
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want to judge his guest list on each podcast as
some sort of definition of whether or not he is
a sellout or true to the black cause, like that's
you know, listen, I don't think Lebron is the greatest
player of all time. I kind of think Rich Paul
exposed himself as a bit of a dope last week
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in terms of trying to create leverage that doesn't actually exist.
But I have a massive amount of respect for what
Lebron has done in building his empire and how he's
lifted up all of his friends and how they're champions
of the industry. Now, there's just no argument you can
be made. He's got his people, he's got his circle,
and he takes care of his people in his circle.
If that's not something to be admired, I don't know
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what is now. JJ Reddick part of his circle. JJ
Redick not the perfect candidate right to be a head
coach because as in coach, but also you got some
of that Dukie arrigincident. Again, if you ask people in
the basketball world, I'm Doug Gottlie By the way, I'm
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a head coach at Green Bay. I'm You can't get
any more in the basketball world than covering it for
twenty one years across three networks, having a dad who
coached for fifty years, a brother who's been a head
coach nearly let me give me assistant coach nearly thirty years. Now,
I'm a head coach in college while broadcasting. If you
know somebody more invested in the sport of basketball, I
love to find him. But everyone has an opinion of
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the Duchies, and not all of the Duchies are to
the point where JJ is Like I think John Shire
is the least Dukie of the Dukies, but JJ Reddick
kind of epitomizes there's a reason JJ was despised in college.
Some it was he was the white kid who hit
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all the shots for Duke, and he would play with
a smile, kind of spark on his face, nothing to
the level of what Maryland said or did or whatever
like that was gross. But there's also a bit of
confidence that has bordered on into and frankly jumped into
arrogance at times. I thought it came out with this
comment when he was asked about continuing his podcast. What
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misconceptions or concerns about you that you've heard in the
last few weeks are you most like looking forward to dispelling.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
It's a valid question and I've certainly heard everything. You know,
it's it's been a really interesting six weeks or so
just in terms of, you know, being part of the
engagement farming industry. You know, it's been really interesting. However,
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I don't really have a great answer for your question
because I really don't give up. Honestly, I want to
coach the Lakers. I want to coach the team. I
don't want to dispel anything. I don't. I want to
become a great coach in the NBA, and I want
to win championships. And I want my players to maximize
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their careers. That's all I care about.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
It's awesome. It's a great answer, awesome answer. The part
of the answer which I found to be interesting was
the engagement farming industry. Huh. And look, I believe that
what he's referring to his first take, not the podcast, right.
The first take is it's a clever way, it's a
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word smith way. It's honestly, j billis somewhere is patting
himself with the back like that's my guy, right, that's
my kid right where you just the use of vocabulary
that I don't have. I'll just be honest with you.
I use this word indefatigable all the time. Right. It
means can't be can't be tireless if you will. It's
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a word I heard Ja Billis use on ESPN like
I don't know, fifteen eighteen years ago. I had to
look it up. I looked it up. I use it
all the time. I love it. Okay, So, but the
dookies are like, we're smarter than you. We're going to
prove we're smarter than you by using language to make
you think and understand that we're smarter than you. That's
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the dookie thing. It's fine, it's fine, you know. I mean,
Pablo Torri does that as well. He went to Harvard.
How do you know, Just wait, there'll be a word
that you have to look up every other sentence. I
don't talk that way. But the other part to it
is it's really thumbing your nose at the media, which
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is a popular game that all the kids can play,
and they are. Now. I was in the engagement farming industry.
You mean you need a podcast and you worked for ESPN,
which is supposedly the leader in sports news right. Matter
of fact, when I worked there, we used to call
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work the leader. I just it strikes me as a
guy saying I'm above you, guys. I don't need the
engagement farming, because what it means is it means that
every comment that is made, every take that is put out,
every piece of analysis is simply done to harvest. That's
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the farming industry to harvest. Like all the reaction to
these takes. And maybe I'm different. I don't think Colin
does that. Colin all of Colin's opinions are his own.
I don't agree with all. Colin's a friend of mine.
I don't agree with allose opinions. May I agree with
half and there's some on my show. And here's where
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Colin's like a real dude, Like he doesn't care if
you cut up his opinions as long as you don't
make it personal. And me just say, hey, I disagree
and here's why. Like that's how sports works, That's what
real barbershop conversation. By the way, is I think one thing,
you think another. There's somebody else in the peanut gallery
comes in who's saying just crazy stuff. We laugh at him,
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and then we agree to disagree, or maybe I end
up bringing you into agreeing with me. At the end
of the day. That's not engagement farming. But I felt
like the doukie arrogance of I didn't come out of
the media. I didn't work for ESPN. I worked in
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the engagement farming industry.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
Yeah, Jason Stewart, I took it the same way, right.
I thought it was like a big like I'm doing
something much bigger and better now and I don't need
that anymore. So he's basically saying I'm better than you all.
That's how I took it anyways. But this is the
guy that's profited greatly from this industry. He's had a
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popular podcast before the one he did with Lebron He
willingly and willfully went on first take, and he willingly
and willfully gave us that take on Doc Rivers back
in February that went viral. You know, those are his
words and his brand. I'm guessing profited greatly from all this,
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and now he's better than it. I just thought it
was very arrogrant.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Now here's the thing. Is JJ Reddick the coach of
the Lakers today. If he's not on ESPN, I'm guessing not, No,
no way in hell. Is he the head coach of
the LA Lakers. Unless he's by ESPN. Look here's the again.
These are things that only I can say because I
know them to be true. Had I stayed at ESPN.
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I left in twenty twelve, I've been a head coach before. Now, Hey,
because athletic directors they all have it on the in
their office and they turn on and somehow you become
smarter when you're at ESPN. We all would joe about it.
Former coaches will joke about it all the time, like
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all I gotta do is be on ESPN and then
I'm a genius again. Right, So the fact that he's
thumbing his nose and calling ESPN, who he worked for,
the worldwide leader in sports. Whether they are or not
doesn't matter. The point is call them the engagement farming industry.
Excuse me, I thought you were supposed to provide analysis,
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Like that's what you were doing when you were sitting
courtside with Doris and UH and Mike and Mike Breen
the other the other day. You know, So I just
yeah it, that's who doukies are. They're not all that way,
they're not all that bad. That's who That's who JJ is.
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And what you'll find is, like I don't think they're
getting Sam Cassell because Sam Cassell is gonna be the
number one assistant. He's gonna get bumped up. And why
would we leave the Celtics incredibly well run Brad Stevens
for the Lakers. No, So you gotta be careful if
you're not humble. And I do think that JJ is
humble before players, and I think that when he takes
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kind of some of this bravado off. But once you
start kind of vibing in an interview and you start
feeling yourself, right, I mean that kind of reminded me
of you guys. Remember when Joe Tessitour was played by
play for Monday Night Football. And Joe test by the way,
is an awesome, awesome guy, awesome, thoughtful, interesting, warm, like
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everything he appears to be with his voice, like that's
who he is as a guy. But he went through
a period of time where he was doing Monday Night
Football and he did an interview and he was I mean,
he basically thumbed his nose a lot of different people
and things in the industry and he was just feeling himself.
JJ's feeling himself. But that's a little bit who j
is now it works for the Lakers because the Lakers,
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you know, one of the reasons they've been able to
pay coaches less for a long time is they think
you should be honored to just be the Lakers head coach.
They can be a relatively arrogant organization. So it all fits.
But thumbing your nose at the industry that created an
image that allowed you to get inarguably one of the
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ten greatest jobs in all of sports. I don't think
that's good for it, and I understand that it wasn't
the meat of the answer. The meat of the answer
was a good one, which is like, I don't there's
nothing he could have say or do to dispel like
who if you look on these devices, there's people that
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hate you about all kinds of things. It's not his fault.
He's got good hair. Hell, the tattoos even work. He's
a good dresser, he's well spoken, he went to Duke.
He was way better in the NBA than anybody thought.
I was there draft day with lots of people were like, wow,
did Orlando reach no way? And he's he was better
than anyone could have ever ever thought. And that built
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some confidence to being arrogant and dookies are confident to
the point of being arrogant. But when you say engagement
farming industry, coh Man, what are we doing? Doesn't sit well,
especially with people who understand that that same industry created
this image that allowed you to get your dream job.
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Coming up next in The Herd, I'll ask Ryan Hollins
what he thinks about the JJ higher, about some of
JJ's answers, and about the possibility that Paul George may
not be a Clipper next year.
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We'll get to that that that's that's upcoming. Best for
last the meantime, let's welcome in. Ryan Hollins, of course
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played a decade in the NBA. Uh, he's worked here
Fox Sports Traders, are Fox Sports Radio NBA analyst and
of course he also analyzes NBA games for the Houston
Rockets television network and he joins us in the herd Uh, Ryan,
what what was your reaction to let's just start with
JJ getting the job? What do you think?
Speaker 6 (18:50):
Oh man, I'm excited for JJ.
Speaker 7 (18:52):
And it's funny that everyone thinks that he's not going
to have support in the job. He's going to have
a cast of assistant cod that will be tenured. They're
going to be able to support him.
Speaker 6 (19:05):
First rodeo.
Speaker 7 (19:06):
So even though he wasn't a head coach, I played
with JJ, he was in NBA for years. And again, Doug,
we talked about this. They don't have a championship roster,
so you can't hold him the championship expectations.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Okay, but having played in the NBA, Okay, having played
in the NBA, like real talk, can you do the job?
Speaker 6 (19:28):
Yeah, no question, no question. He can do it.
Speaker 7 (19:31):
And we've seen it before and Doug. The one thing
the difference between the superstar and the role player, and
JJ was a great role player is JJ had to
know every position on the floor, He had to know
all the guys. He probably has the cleanest locker of
anybody I played with. He's a technician, he was obsessive
about his work, and he had a lot of respect
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in the locker room. So I wouldn't think that there
would be any different, you know, on this side.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
I agree. I mean we make it out like it's
rocket science. If it was rocket science, you know who'd
be on the sidelines, rocket scientists. I just you learn
more from playing if you play and you really listen
and pay that. Now, look, not every former player can
be an analyst. Not every former player can be a coach,
just not. But there are guys that are wired and like, yeah,
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he could do that job right.
Speaker 7 (20:21):
And again, JJ was always in tune, you know, with
the playbook, the scouting report, so he gets it. And
again at the NBA level, everybody knows the x's and o's,
Lebron's gonna be Lebron, ad is gonna be a d
you know, keep him healthy, the same daring story every year.
Speaker 6 (20:40):
And then Doug.
Speaker 7 (20:40):
You see the crap about the Lakers are want to
make a push for a third star. That's every damn summer, okay,
But at the end of the day, his job is
to get along with a d get along with Lebron,
make sure they're motivated. And I think that if you
really want to be good with Lebron, he's you got
to be able to have his ear. And if you're
not just as smart as smart as Lebron when it
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comes to basketball knowledge, he ain't gonna listen to you.
Speaker 6 (21:03):
And JJ's a guy.
Speaker 7 (21:05):
Who has that type of high basketball like Q, so
I believe it's gonna work.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
I completely agree. I actually told people that, uh, this
is going back twenty minutes ago or thirty minutes ago,
we were talking about Darvin Ham. It's not that Darvinham
is a bad human being. Darvinham is just not an
attention of detail X and O advanced scouting sort of
nerd the way that JJ or even Frank Vogel was like,
he's just a go out and play hard guy, and
that doesn't that doesn't mix with how Lebron likes to
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play or likes to prepare. Is that fair?
Speaker 7 (21:36):
Absolutely, And don't get me wrong. There's a place where
you had to bring effort, you know, championship mentality to
the floor. But you know from Lebron, you know he
can get caught in overthinking.
Speaker 6 (21:48):
But those accurate.
Speaker 7 (21:50):
There are two different levels and types of coaches. And like,
I hate the even notion that Darvin didn't do a
good job. Like, I don't know what the expectation was
when they beat the Warriors. It was a favorable matchup
for the Lakers because they had no bigs inside and
Anthony Davis had a field day. And then the most
idiotic thing, forgive me on the planet was to win
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that game when you could have avoided the Denver Nuggets.
No one's talking about that. Darvinham might still have a
job and it wasn't for that. That is a horrible matchup.
So it's more about roster construction. And again, nonetheless, I'm
happy for JJ. I do believe that he's going to
do a fine job. And as you see, he's not
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afraid of the media. He should have been well seasoned
and trained from his time over at the Network.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Okay, Dallas Mavericks, they get to the finals, it's a
bit of a surprise, kind of like the Lakers last year. Right,
you end up you know, getting Oklahoma City probably a
year before they're ready, you know, I thought the Minnesota
probably a year before they're ready. Plus favorable matchup there
in terms of it, a lot of your big guys
to stay around the basket and defend the rim. Then
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you get to against Boston and all the bad habits
kind of come out and Boston's just just kind of
better than you. If you're advising Dallas, what do you
say to Nico Harrison that needs to be added to
that roster.
Speaker 7 (23:14):
I gotta move hard away. He's a good player, but
he just doesn't fit. No disrespect there, and I need,
you know, about two or three more PJ. Washington's, you know,
guys who can guard big and score and kind of
you know, two dimensional on the perimeter. Hey, I can
shoot it and I can drive it. You need more
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of that because when you looked at Boston, you know,
you had to match up with not just sayt Tom
and Brown, but you had Derek White coming at you. You
had Aaron Aaron Holliday, you had Holiday coming at you,
you know, and those guys. So you got to get
at least four or five three and d guys deep
before you can make that type of run. But I
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feel like they at the end of the day, they
have everything else. And I'm I'm not worried about Luca
of one bit. It's his first time in the finals.
It's a completely different basketball than he's ever seen. And
I know Overseas was competitive and good, but NBA Finals
is way different than any basketball you'll ever see.
Speaker 6 (24:13):
And it'll be more equipped the second time.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
I agree. I kind of felt like that NBA Finals
was a lot like Lebron's first NBA Finals. Right, the
other team is really really good, right loaded best team
in the NBA in the regular season and went healthy,
best team in the NBA in the postseason, And like, look,
Kyrie has been a great player. Let's not act like
he's at the beginning of He's more towards the end
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of his career in terms of the number of games
he can bring it. And that squad isn't a traditional
championship caliber roster, and so you know some of his flaws.
Obviously defensively, no thing he's got exposed, much like Lebron,
who didn't shoot it as well in his first series
against you know, when he was with Cleveland like that
first time. A lot of times guys go through that.
Speaker 7 (24:59):
Yeah, I'm sorry, I know we compare, you know, Luca
to uh Bird and Harden. In my opinion, am I
tripping or does he just give me like old Lebron vibes?
Speaker 6 (25:10):
Is it crazy?
Speaker 3 (25:12):
I think he's I think there's a lot of Lebron.
I think there's a lot of Bird to it, like
if Bird was this era and was more like again,
it's the the Bird thing is the he can kind
of get where he wants and does does what he
wants despite the fact that he doesn't look like he
goes by anybody, writes Paul Pierce, kind of like sort
of way. And then yeah, the he tries to do everything,
you know, like Lebron dominates the game and constantly acting
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like he's getting fouled, and sometimes he is a lot
like Lebron. Yes, there's no there's there's there's no question
that I get some of the exact same same vibes.
If your Golden State, how do he approach the Clay thing?
Speaker 7 (25:50):
Man Clay Clay Clay would all due respect, I'm probably
offering a mid level exception and he's just gonna have
to take a pay cut or he's gonna have to walk,
and we'll give him a great tribute and everything when
it comes back. It's just you got to understand, man,
Klay Thompson is two years of basketball at acl and
then an achilles. It's unbelievable that he's playing Klay Thompson
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physically his body, like his mind is there, but his
body can only do so much. So I get him
some help. I'd get him on a mid level so
I can go and get some other talent and guys
in there and hopefully, you know, get him to buy
in and just say, hey, Clay.
Speaker 6 (26:30):
You know you're gonna be a warrior for life.
Speaker 7 (26:31):
You know you want to work on our front office.
Speaker 6 (26:33):
Whatever you do.
Speaker 7 (26:34):
I don't know if that's tampering or legal whatever it is,
but it's like, Clay, like this is home, Like don't worry.
Like maybe the money's not there because we got to
get better and we got to win, but this is
home for you, Clay, And you know, maybe play the
sentimental card. You know, hey, who wants to move. He's
been in the home in the same place his own
entire career.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
Why does Paul George want to leave the Clippers.
Speaker 7 (26:56):
Doesn't sound like he wants to. Sounds like they're not
offering them money hit to him that he you know,
he should get And.
Speaker 6 (27:03):
I just.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
I reprase the question why the Clippers don't want to
pay Paul George, Like what what is missing in that
relationship where he said some things about how they play
and they're clearly not ready to offer him, you know,
the max contract they can offer him. What what is
it about that relationship that isn't working.
Speaker 7 (27:22):
It enams me because Kawhi Leonard got paid and I
would right now at this stage take Paul George over
Kawhi Leonard. So it almost begs to differ. There's something
behind the same personal song on or maybe there's something
set up Doug where again they got to get younger
dude because they're stuck and he's their best asset and
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you can provide a sign and trade.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (27:47):
That's that's all that.
Speaker 6 (27:48):
I can think, because.
Speaker 7 (27:51):
Letting your best player go doesn't quite add up. And
maybe the fear that if Paul George gets hurt another time,
his value may not be as high. So sometimes is
not always a sign of disrespect, but it's a like, hey,
like we're stuck in the same spot. We got it
tweak and say something.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Ryan and the best man. I really appreciate it. You're
always honest, you're always prepared. Thanks so much for being
our guest and.
Speaker 6 (28:12):
The hurt anytime, brother, we'll talk.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
So all right, that's my guy, Ryan Hollins of course
UCLA ten years in the league. Now he's the color
analyst for the Houston Rockets and our Fox Sports Radio
NBA Insider. Let's get you to Ryan music with the news. No, no, no,
the news.
Speaker 8 (28:30):
This is the herd Line News La Royan, Hello, Doug.
Always great to have Ryan Hollinds on, such a great perspective,
spend so much time in the league. Love having him on.
But we're gonna pivot to an all NFL herd Line
news here. Start off with the New England Patriots, who
had a number of changes this offseason, obviously letting go
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of the legendary Bill Belichick, but also landing Drake May
their quarterback at number three overall. In most situations, you'd
probably assume that that means that he's gonna be their
Week one starter and their quarterback of the future. Well
that's not so fast. Let's slow down here a little bit.
That could end up being Jacoby Bursett, at least to
start the season. According to insider Chad Graff, He's pointed
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out that up to this point, Brissett has been getting
all the starter reps his previous experience with offensive coordinator
Alex van Pelt, who, in passing answered some questions from
the press referring to Burssett as the starter, and he
also added this quote, as long as May doesn't dramatically
outperform him, Burssett will probably be the Week one starter
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in New England.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
That's amazing because it's probably the smartest thing possible, right,
probably the smartest thing possible. I mean, let's just be honest, right,
that is incredible, incredible in terms of, hey, if we
could find the right who's just solid and let a
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young quarterback evolve, I mean, like that's what's happened with Mahomes. Sure,
it does work with guys, It's just we have this
impetuous need to play guys right away to validate that
we took them in the first round and start that
clock early and that way in year two, three and four,
now we're really building a roster, Like I get it,
I love the idea. I just do, and especially for
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Washington man, Like they've been searching. You know, Washington is
the guy they've been searching. They have their quarterback. I
know that who they're gonna play for. Drake May in
his situation. Yeah, Like, does he jump off the page
to you as ready to play? No, I don't think so.
I like to set up for him. I like to
set up for prisset perset to solid. Dude. Remember he
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started and played a lot of different places for personally.
I like that plan.
Speaker 8 (30:52):
Yeah, it makes sense, especially with the entire rebuild that
the Patriots are having to go through right now.
Speaker 5 (31:00):
With this roster.
Speaker 8 (31:01):
I don't think anybody looks at their roster as a
whole and goes, wow, this team is really up there
to compete with some of the likes of the other
powerhouses in the AFC. So not just throwing him out
there to struggle and perhaps kill his confidence. You're right,
Perhaps sitting him could be the way to go. And
in a similar idea, we'll transition our way over from
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the Patriots to the Pittsburgh Steelers, who are making a
change at quarterback themselves. It's no longer Kenny Pickett, it
is likely going to be Russell Wilson as the starter
for however long or short that may be. But they
also brought in quarterback Justin Fields, formerly of the Chicago Bears.
From the athletic Mark Cabali, talking about Fields and what
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his future could look like in Pittsburgh, he noted that
the Packers, who had only seen Jordan Love in practice
and not in any real sort of extended game action,
opted to give Jordan Love an additional year on his
contract and then giving him the opportuned to become the starter.
And is this perhaps the same path we could see
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with Fields? Will the Steelers look to get Fields on
a discounted rate beyond just this season and perhaps see
if he can develop into their full time starter. He
did go on to point out the various differences between
the Jordan Love situation and the Justin Field situation. But
interesting to point out that Mike Tomlin now has a
contract extension, so he's not necessarily under a ton of
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immense heat to necessarily win another Super Bowl. And perhaps
there's a longer term play here beyond just this season
for Justin Fields.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
Don't I don't see it. I could be wrong, you know,
could Justin Fields be the old Cordell Stewart slash, Sure,
I just I mean, there'd have to be massive improvement
him as a thrower. I just I don't see it.
I don't think that he would be he would be
on a team where he's the clear backup after coming
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off of being a starter for the last couple of
years with the Bears. If that was the plan, I
just don't see that as the plan.
Speaker 8 (33:06):
Yeah, that's fair. It's tough to see at this point.
That is certainly like I don't.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Think he's to the Trey Lance right Trey Lance part,
but I definitely don't. And Russell Wilson's gonna be the starter,
and I do think that at some point he'll get
a chance, but I don't think, you know, long term,
like that's their plan as of now, and they've seen
him and the reports are he's been rather underwhelming during
his time there anyway.
Speaker 8 (33:30):
And we'll wrap up with this the Buffalo Bills obviously
trying to get over that AFC hump to get on
the level of the Chiefs. Who knows if they'll actually
be able to achieve it this year, but one of
their big time players that they brought in thinking that
it would help them get over that next hurdle of
the Chiefs was von Miller. A few years ago. After
he won the Super Bowl with the Rams, he signed
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with the Bills. Unfortunately, it has not gone well, mostly
due to injury. But head coach Sean McDermott talking to
a former Bills center and your friend Eric Wood on
his podcast, saying, in his first year off the ACL
it was an uphill climb. Now we're getting into the
second year off the injury, and we'll see how we'll
see what he can do. We're excited he's moving and
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seeing how he can impact our team. You can never
count a player or a person like von Miller out.
I'm not sure I would expect much else from Sean
McDermott to say, but the Bill is certainly hoping and
banking that he can be that difference maker that they
initially had visions of when they first brought him in.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
Like he's not strong though, right, I mean, we all
realize age and injuries have piled up, so the likelihood
is that he won't be. But I mean, those are
great things to say about him, and he's like, you know,
you not could count anybody out. But yeah, that butt
is the big thing. That's Ryan Measy. Go with the news.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The
Herd Line.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
News Coming up next in The Herd, Apparently there's a
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app Welcome, Welcome, welcome in. I'll be back tomorrow as
Colin is on vacation, so more gottlieba goodness, good goodness,
I don't know. In the meantime, let's get to the
best for last, shall we.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
It's almost the end of the show, but that doesn't
mean we're phoning it in. Nope, we grind it the
very last segment. It's time for best, for.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
Best for last. All right, for best for last. I
want to turn this over to Jason Stewart because this
is a story that he brought to the table, and
I want to make sure that we point out the
phrase being used to express what this is not something
we created. It's what they're calling it. And yes, I
do know that that is that is a phrase for
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something else, completely, something else that has nothing to do
with that.
Speaker 5 (36:45):
Yeah, like most words or most terms in our society nowadays,
there's an Urban Dictionary definition, then there's another definition. So
headline from New York post men are doing on flights.
Here's what the weird travel trend means. Raw dogging has
(37:07):
become the buzziest travel trend of the summer. Doug seeing,
stealth plane passengers forego the modern comforts of flying to
stare at either an in flight map or nothing at
all for lengthy trips. No music, no streaming, no snacking,
no sleep. I guess this was inspired by the Apple
(37:28):
TV series starring idrise Elba called Hijacked, where his character,
I guess, took a long flight overseas and did nothing
but stare directly in front of him raw dogging dog.
Now the reason why I brought this up on this show,
as you fill in for the Herd today, this is
the opposite of you. I've never seen you not engaged
(37:51):
on your phone, and I know that you travel what
like a million miles a year. I mean, you're always
on a plane and you're always on your phone. And
I'm thinking the last person on earth to ever row
dogs as it goes to this story is Doug Gottli.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
It's an amazing point. Yes, I a little bit too
much of an information junkie, and I love a communication
junkie as well. I will tell you that I have
a place that overlooks Green Bay, which is part of
Lake Michigan, and I have taken fifteen minutes a day
to no device and just sit and enjoy like summers
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in northern Wisconsin are freaking incredible, right, incredible? So I've
done a better job, but there's zero chance. Have you
ever been in a flight without Wi Fi? You almost
feel like there's no radar? How are we going to exist? Sir?
We're just going to Las Vegas. It's a forty minute flight.
I'm like, look at this to the southwest? Do I
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have to say? Uh? What is it? I mean, flight attendant?
Is that a bad Is that a bad word? Steward?
This is what you're not supposed to say, flight attendant.
Speaker 5 (39:05):
I don't know if flight attendant's gone the way of
the PC police.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
It sounds stewardess has.
Speaker 5 (39:11):
Oh no, don't even say that. We'll clean that up
and edit.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
No, why do we have to clean up and edit?
What does what is a steward?
Speaker 5 (39:18):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (39:20):
What is the definition of a steward?
Speaker 5 (39:22):
Someone who helps you out with things like correct?
Speaker 3 (39:26):
Why? Why is it a bad word to say? What
a steward? This is person looks after after you, personal
responsible supplies with food. I don't know why it is
it bad? Anyway? Like I I have no desire to
ever do that. If I'm on a plane, I'm either
I'm usually reading, uh you're reading and texting and then
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or sleeping. And you know, on the rare occasion that
there's something on live sports TV. You know, you try
and link it up where you're at the right time.
You can watch where you can want, such a football
game or a basketball game, whatever on on live TV.
So I watched the Super Bowl one. You're on a plane.
I forget which super Bowl we're at, but I stayed
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there until Super Bowl Sunday and then left like right
at game time, right at game time, and literally watched
the game on a plane. It was amazing. It was great.
Bother me, I had good headphones on. No who's bothered me?
Was awesome. Whereas you know, sometimes you at the Super
Bowl party, you'll have people. You'll have the ex football
player that he will like call out what they're doing, Like, dude,
you know, Traygman's got this one. Buddy. We're good, Like
(40:34):
I think I think Troy is going to take us
home here, Okay, so we're good. What is your Ryan music?
What do you do when you're on a long flight.
Remember we used to this time of year people would
buy the college football preview magazine, right Lindy's or some
of the other ones, the Athlons. I don't even know
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if they sell those anymore, right, because the Internet has
made them kind of non existent. I know they still
have them, but I think you have more digitally, Ryan,
what do you do? You're get on a plane? What
do you do?
Speaker 8 (41:04):
Yeah, I'm usually gonna start with a book and then
I'll transition into some type of bingeable TV show or movie.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
Now current current current binging is what what are you
binging currently?
Speaker 5 (41:17):
Currently?
Speaker 8 (41:18):
Well, not binging because it comes out weekly, but House
of the Dragon.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (41:22):
And then I guess the other one that we're trying
to finish is for All Mankind on Apple TV.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
What's for All Mankind?
Speaker 8 (41:30):
It's a sort of alternative history about if the space
race between the Soviet Union and the United States had
gone slightly differently and we were not the first to
land on the moon or the first to film it, whichever,
you know, I'm kidding.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
Oh good, uh yeah, Look, I the first the first season,
in the second season were great.
Speaker 8 (41:53):
I'm now onto the fourth season and it's it has
gone down a precipitous decline as time has gone on, unfortunately.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
All right, Jason Stewart. You're you're flying on a plane.
What do you do?
Speaker 5 (42:06):
I'm also I also have a book to read. But
you know what the game changer was for me with
the noise canceling headphones, so you could listen to you
can listen to music, and you could watch your shows
and actually hear them. It's amazing now. And I'm currently
binging House of Dragon as well. But the mayor of
was it mayor of East Town? No something town? Good,
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Jeremy Renner.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
Really good, really really really good. Well, I would never
be caught. I'm not even gonna use that term because
that term means something completely different to me. But I sorry,
I just can't stare at a wall or back somebody's
head and then people make noises and the babies crying
like that. That takes the type of personal stuff discipline
I just don't have, just don't have. I know myself
(42:54):
to thy own self be true. All right, back tomorrow.
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
What welcome in. This is the Herd. Wherever you may
be and however you may be making this part of
your day. Thanks so much. I'm Doug gottl it in
for Colin Cowhert. You know, it's interesting. We're coming off
of what I said about Stephen A. Smith. Don't get
me wrong, it's an all time upset, right, a guy
who barely played in college sitting on the desk as
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a provocateur slash analyst slash commentator for the NBA Finals. Hey,
that's actually an upset. That's actually a good thing for
the industry that you don't have to Not all the
best people that talk about it have to have played it,
but you do have to do the work and know
it right. And I mean, look, if we're being honest,
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there's lots of people in lots of jobs that get
promoted and they don't have the quote unquote resume to
do so. And most people that hire will tell you,
if I have to look at your resume, I shouldn't
be hiring you anyway, right, shouldn't be hiring you anyway.
But regardless of which, what stephen A said was that
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black coaches and I guess I'm white, so I'm not
allowed to talk about this, even though he's talking about
it now white coach. Black coaches were telling were upset
that JJ was doing a podcast with Lebron while Darvin
Ham was on the hot seat. I don't understand the
correlation there, other than what's pretty obvious is he's calling
Lebron Jay when he's saying it's only a black thing.
(01:59):
That means he's calling Lebron James the sellout for selling
his soul and talking to and doing a podcast with
a white man in JJ Reddick and not with his
head coach. I guess that's the point he's kidnap. I mean, really,
when it gets down to it, it's just there's gonna
be people that are bessed. And I haven't heard anybody
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in the coaching industry who was surprised that Darvin was
let go because it was pretty well known that that
was a bad fit. Just like in Phoenix, it was
a bad fit for Frank to be the head coach,
and Frank was better with the Lakers. Why Frank is
a nerd? Hey, Frank is a nerd. Frank was a
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manager at Kentucky and then he starred in the film room,
and he studies and studies and studies and has all
the answers based upon the data and based upon film study,
whereas Darvin was like, let's just go out and play hard.
That the nerd diardess aspect of it. Darvin Ham would
have been a better fit for Kevin Durant. Kevin Durant's
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trying to become more of a film guy, but he's not.
He likes to just play organic basketball. He's just a hooper.
So who your star fits with is really important. Lebron
James is really bright at basketball. He's pretty bright in life.
I mean, obviously we all make fun of how he
pretends to read books he doesn't read, but he's not
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an idiot, a bright dude, and he likes to surround
himself with people who are really really bright, especially in
basketball because he feels like. And there's an expression that
a couple of my coaching buddies and ex player buddies
come up with. We call him civilians, right like, people
who don't really understand basketball at that higher level. They're
just they're civilians. Don't worry about it, you know. And
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that's who you got to talk to when you're a broadcaster,
people who most people don't really they don't know what
a ghost screen is or you call it a vere
or a ghost. They don't care. They don't care. They
just why did that outcome happen? And who can we
blame for losing? That's really how it works out. So
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saying that Lebron is I mean, he didn't say the
word sellout, but when you say it's a black thing,
and he talks about black coaches and Lebron and basically
doing wrong to his black head coach to talking with
a white guy, you're saying he's a sellout. And you
can deny that, but everyone understands that. Everyone understands what
you're saying. I think that's awful. I think that's awful.
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You're a multi billion dollar company, you're also one of
the faces of the NBA. You're a broadcast partner with
the NBA, and you're calling the NBA's biggest star a
sellout because he did a podcast with somebody who he
respects in the in the at that time, in the
media space, and you're calling him a sellout for doing it,
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but by all means twenty five million a year. And look,
I actually get it. It's it's it's finding it's being
an opportunist. Hey, here's a window in which a window
in time in which I can benefit from so many
people having so much guilt over things that happened fifty
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years ago. Whereas in the basketball industry, in the basketball space,
this is not really a thing. It's just not you
treat people with respect, no matter what their race, their creed,
their color is. And if Hoopers are attracted to Hoopers
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and Lebron can be friends with whoever he wants, are
we now going to be critical of who he has
on I mean, like, look, everybody realizes on that show
The Shop. I mean there are people that were like,
why is that person in the shop just for politically
to look good? Right? Is that what we want? We
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want to judge his guest list on each podcast as
some sort of definition of whether or not he is
a sellout or true to the black cause, like that's
you know, listen, I don't think Lebron is the greatest
player of all time. I kind of think Rich Paul
exposed himself as a bit of a dope last week
(06:23):
in terms of trying to create leverage that doesn't actually exist.
But I have a massive amount of respect for what
Lebron has done in building his empire and how he's
lifted up all of his friends and how they're champions
of the industry. Now, there's just no argument you can
be made. He's got his people, he's got his circle,
and he takes care of his people in his circle.
If that's not something to be admired, I don't know
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what is now. JJ Reddick part of his circle. JJ
Redick not the perfect candidate right to be a head
coach because as in coach, but also you got some
of that Dukie arrigincident. Again, if you ask people in
the basketball world, I'm Doug Gottlie By the way, I'm
(07:09):
a head coach at Green Bay. I'm You can't get
any more in the basketball world than covering it for
twenty one years across three networks, having a dad who
coached for fifty years, a brother who's been a head
coach nearly let me give me assistant coach nearly thirty years. Now,
I'm a head coach in college while broadcasting. If you
know somebody more invested in the sport of basketball, I
love to find him. But everyone has an opinion of
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the Duchies, and not all of the Duchies are to
the point where JJ is Like I think John Shire
is the least Dukie of the Dukies, but JJ Reddick
kind of epitomizes there's a reason JJ was despised in college.
Some it was he was the white kid who hit
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all the shots for Duke, and he would play with
a smile, kind of spark on his face, nothing to
the level of what Maryland said or did or whatever
like that was gross. But there's also a bit of
confidence that has bordered on into and frankly jumped into
arrogance at times. I thought it came out with this
comment when he was asked about continuing his podcast. What
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misconceptions or concerns about you that you've heard in the
last few weeks are you most like looking forward to dispelling.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
It's a valid question and I've certainly heard everything. You know,
it's it's been a really interesting six weeks or so
just in terms of, you know, being part of the
engagement farming industry. You know, it's been really interesting. However,
(08:53):
I don't really have a great answer for your question
because I really don't give up. Honestly, I want to
coach the Lakers. I want to coach the team. I
don't want to dispel anything. I don't. I want to
become a great coach in the NBA, and I want
to win championships. And I want my players to maximize
(09:14):
their careers. That's all I care about.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
It's awesome. It's a great answer, awesome answer. The part
of the answer which I found to be interesting was
the engagement farming industry. Huh. And look, I believe that
what he's referring to his first take, not the podcast, right.
The first take is it's a clever way, it's a
(09:42):
word smith way. It's honestly, j billis somewhere is patting
himself with the back like that's my guy, right, that's
my kid right where you just the use of vocabulary
that I don't have. I'll just be honest with you.
I use this word indefatigable all the time. Right. It
means can't be can't be tireless if you will. It's
(10:02):
a word I heard Ja Billis use on ESPN like
I don't know, fifteen eighteen years ago. I had to
look it up. I looked it up. I use it
all the time. I love it. Okay, So, but the
dookies are like, we're smarter than you. We're going to
prove we're smarter than you by using language to make
you think and understand that we're smarter than you. That's
(10:24):
the dookie thing. It's fine, it's fine, you know. I mean,
Pablo Torri does that as well. He went to Harvard.
How do you know, Just wait, there'll be a word
that you have to look up every other sentence. I
don't talk that way. But the other part to it
is it's really thumbing your nose at the media, which
(10:47):
is a popular game that all the kids can play,
and they are. Now. I was in the engagement farming industry.
You mean you need a podcast and you worked for ESPN,
which is supposedly the leader in sports news right. Matter
of fact, when I worked there, we used to call
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work the leader. I just it strikes me as a
guy saying I'm above you, guys. I don't need the
engagement farming, because what it means is it means that
every comment that is made, every take that is put out,
every piece of analysis is simply done to harvest. That's
(11:32):
the farming industry to harvest. Like all the reaction to
these takes. And maybe I'm different. I don't think Colin
does that. Colin all of Colin's opinions are his own.
I don't agree with all. Colin's a friend of mine.
I don't agree with allose opinions. May I agree with
half and there's some on my show. And here's where
(11:53):
Colin's like a real dude, Like he doesn't care if
you cut up his opinions as long as you don't
make it personal. And me just say, hey, I disagree
and here's why. Like that's how sports works, That's what
real barbershop conversation. By the way, is I think one thing,
you think another. There's somebody else in the peanut gallery
comes in who's saying just crazy stuff. We laugh at him,
(12:14):
and then we agree to disagree, or maybe I end
up bringing you into agreeing with me. At the end
of the day. That's not engagement farming. But I felt
like the doukie arrogance of I didn't come out of
the media. I didn't work for ESPN. I worked in
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the engagement farming industry.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
Yeah, Jason Stewart, I took it the same way, right.
I thought it was like a big like I'm doing
something much bigger and better now and I don't need
that anymore. So he's basically saying I'm better than you all.
That's how I took it anyways. But this is the
guy that's profited greatly from this industry. He's had a
(13:00):
popular podcast before the one he did with Lebron He
willingly and willfully went on first take, and he willingly
and willfully gave us that take on Doc Rivers back
in February that went viral. You know, those are his
words and his brand. I'm guessing profited greatly from all this,
(13:20):
and now he's better than it. I just thought it
was very arrogrant.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Now here's the thing. Is JJ Reddick the coach of
the Lakers today. If he's not on ESPN, I'm guessing not, No,
no way in hell. Is he the head coach of
the LA Lakers. Unless he's by ESPN. Look here's the again.
These are things that only I can say because I
know them to be true. Had I stayed at ESPN.
(13:44):
I left in twenty twelve, I've been a head coach before. Now, Hey,
because athletic directors they all have it on the in
their office and they turn on and somehow you become
smarter when you're at ESPN. We all would joe about it.
Former coaches will joke about it all the time, like
(14:05):
all I gotta do is be on ESPN and then
I'm a genius again. Right, So the fact that he's
thumbing his nose and calling ESPN, who he worked for,
the worldwide leader in sports. Whether they are or not
doesn't matter. The point is call them the engagement farming industry.
Excuse me, I thought you were supposed to provide analysis,
(14:27):
Like that's what you were doing when you were sitting
courtside with Doris and UH and Mike and Mike Breen
the other the other day. You know, So I just
yeah it, that's who doukies are. They're not all that way,
they're not all that bad. That's who That's who JJ is.
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And what you'll find is, like I don't think they're
getting Sam Cassell because Sam Cassell is gonna be the
number one assistant. He's gonna get bumped up. And why
would we leave the Celtics incredibly well run Brad Stevens
for the Lakers. No, So you gotta be careful if
you're not humble. And I do think that JJ is
humble before players, and I think that when he takes
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kind of some of this bravado off. But once you
start kind of vibing in an interview and you start
feeling yourself, right, I mean that kind of reminded me
of you guys. Remember when Joe Tessitour was played by
play for Monday Night Football. And Joe test by the way,
is an awesome, awesome guy, awesome, thoughtful, interesting, warm, like
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everything he appears to be with his voice, like that's
who he is as a guy. But he went through
a period of time where he was doing Monday Night
Football and he did an interview and he was I mean,
he basically thumbed his nose a lot of different people
and things in the industry and he was just feeling himself.
JJ's feeling himself. But that's a little bit who j
is now it works for the Lakers because the Lakers,
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you know, one of the reasons they've been able to
pay coaches less for a long time is they think
you should be honored to just be the Lakers head coach.
They can be a relatively arrogant organization. So it all fits.
But thumbing your nose at the industry that created an
image that allowed you to get inarguably one of the
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ten greatest jobs in all of sports. I don't think
that's good for it, and I understand that it wasn't
the meat of the answer. The meat of the answer
was a good one, which is like, I don't there's
nothing he could have say or do to dispel like
who if you look on these devices, there's people that
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hate you about all kinds of things. It's not his fault.
He's got good hair. Hell, the tattoos even work. He's
a good dresser, he's well spoken, he went to Duke.
He was way better in the NBA than anybody thought.
I was there draft day with lots of people were like, wow,
did Orlando reach no way? And he's he was better
than anyone could have ever ever thought. And that built
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some confidence to being arrogant and dookies are confident to
the point of being arrogant. But when you say engagement
farming industry, coh Man, what are we doing? Doesn't sit well,
especially with people who understand that that same industry created
this image that allowed you to get your dream job.
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Coming up next in The Herd, I'll ask Ryan Hollins
what he thinks about the JJ higher, about some of
JJ's answers, and about the possibility that Paul George may
not be a Clipper next year.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
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Speaker 3 (17:47):
Doug Golliban for Colin It's the Herd Fox Sports Radio,
iHeartRadio app. Ryan Hollins will join us momentarily. Still has
some herdline news to get to. Still have the best
for last, including a apparently a new trend that is
this young men, old men, all men are partaking in
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UH when they're on flights. Jason Stewart, what is the
what is the that's what's the demo of men that
are doing this? Not hearing your mic there? That's okay, okay,
We'll get to that that that's that's upcoming. Best for
last the meantime, let's welcome in. Ryan Hollins, of course
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played a decade in the NBA. Uh, he's worked here
Fox Sports Traders, are Fox Sports Radio NBA analyst and
of course he also analyzes NBA games for the Houston
Rockets television network and he joins us in the herd Uh, Ryan,
what what was your reaction to let's just start with
JJ getting the job? What do you think?
Speaker 6 (18:50):
Oh man, I'm excited for JJ.
Speaker 7 (18:52):
And it's funny that everyone thinks that he's not going
to have support in the job. He's going to have
a cast of assistant cod that will be tenured. They're
going to be able to support him.
Speaker 6 (19:05):
First rodeo.
Speaker 7 (19:06):
So even though he wasn't a head coach, I played
with JJ, he was in NBA for years. And again, Doug,
we talked about this. They don't have a championship roster,
so you can't hold him the championship expectations.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Okay, but having played in the NBA, Okay, having played
in the NBA, like real talk, can you do the job?
Speaker 6 (19:28):
Yeah, no question, no question. He can do it.
Speaker 7 (19:31):
And we've seen it before and Doug. The one thing
the difference between the superstar and the role player, and
JJ was a great role player is JJ had to
know every position on the floor, He had to know
all the guys. He probably has the cleanest locker of
anybody I played with. He's a technician, he was obsessive
about his work, and he had a lot of respect
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in the locker room. So I wouldn't think that there
would be any different, you know, on this side.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
I agree. I mean we make it out like it's
rocket science. If it was rocket science, you know who'd
be on the sidelines, rocket scientists. I just you learn
more from playing if you play and you really listen
and pay that. Now, look, not every former player can
be an analyst. Not every former player can be a coach,
just not. But there are guys that are wired and like, yeah,
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he could do that job right.
Speaker 7 (20:21):
And again, JJ was always in tune, you know, with
the playbook, the scouting report, so he gets it. And
again at the NBA level, everybody knows the x's and o's,
Lebron's gonna be Lebron, ad is gonna be a d
you know, keep him healthy, the same daring story every year.
Speaker 6 (20:40):
And then Doug.
Speaker 7 (20:40):
You see the crap about the Lakers are want to
make a push for a third star. That's every damn summer, okay,
But at the end of the day, his job is
to get along with a d get along with Lebron,
make sure they're motivated. And I think that if you
really want to be good with Lebron, he's you got
to be able to have his ear. And if you're
not just as smart as smart as Lebron when it
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comes to basketball knowledge, he ain't gonna listen to you.
Speaker 6 (21:03):
And JJ's a guy.
Speaker 7 (21:05):
Who has that type of high basketball like Q, so
I believe it's gonna work.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
I completely agree. I actually told people that, uh, this
is going back twenty minutes ago or thirty minutes ago,
we were talking about Darvin Ham. It's not that Darvinham
is a bad human being. Darvinham is just not an
attention of detail X and O advanced scouting sort of
nerd the way that JJ or even Frank Vogel was like,
he's just a go out and play hard guy, and
that doesn't that doesn't mix with how Lebron likes to
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play or likes to prepare. Is that fair?
Speaker 7 (21:36):
Absolutely, And don't get me wrong. There's a place where
you had to bring effort, you know, championship mentality to
the floor. But you know from Lebron, you know he
can get caught in overthinking.
Speaker 6 (21:48):
But those accurate.
Speaker 7 (21:50):
There are two different levels and types of coaches. And like,
I hate the even notion that Darvin didn't do a
good job. Like, I don't know what the expectation was
when they beat the Warriors. It was a favorable matchup
for the Lakers because they had no bigs inside and
Anthony Davis had a field day. And then the most
idiotic thing, forgive me on the planet was to win
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that game when you could have avoided the Denver Nuggets.
No one's talking about that. Darvinham might still have a
job and it wasn't for that. That is a horrible matchup.
So it's more about roster construction. And again, nonetheless, I'm
happy for JJ. I do believe that he's going to
do a fine job. And as you see, he's not
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afraid of the media. He should have been well seasoned
and trained from his time over at the Network.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Okay, Dallas Mavericks, they get to the finals, it's a
bit of a surprise, kind of like the Lakers last year. Right,
you end up you know, getting Oklahoma City probably a
year before they're ready, you know, I thought the Minnesota
probably a year before they're ready. Plus favorable matchup there
in terms of it, a lot of your big guys
to stay around the basket and defend the rim. Then
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you get to against Boston and all the bad habits
kind of come out and Boston's just just kind of
better than you. If you're advising Dallas, what do you
say to Nico Harrison that needs to be added to
that roster.
Speaker 7 (23:14):
I gotta move hard away. He's a good player, but
he just doesn't fit. No disrespect there, and I need,
you know, about two or three more PJ. Washington's, you know,
guys who can guard big and score and kind of
you know, two dimensional on the perimeter. Hey, I can
shoot it and I can drive it. You need more
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of that because when you looked at Boston, you know,
you had to match up with not just sayt Tom
and Brown, but you had Derek White coming at you. You
had Aaron Aaron Holliday, you had Holiday coming at you,
you know, and those guys. So you got to get
at least four or five three and d guys deep
before you can make that type of run. But I
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feel like they at the end of the day, they
have everything else. And I'm I'm not worried about Luca
of one bit. It's his first time in the finals.
It's a completely different basketball than he's ever seen. And
I know Overseas was competitive and good, but NBA Finals
is way different than any basketball you'll ever see.
Speaker 6 (24:13):
And it'll be more equipped the second time.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
I agree. I kind of felt like that NBA Finals
was a lot like Lebron's first NBA Finals. Right, the
other team is really really good, right loaded best team
in the NBA in the regular season and went healthy,
best team in the NBA in the postseason, And like, look,
Kyrie has been a great player. Let's not act like
he's at the beginning of He's more towards the end
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of his career in terms of the number of games
he can bring it. And that squad isn't a traditional
championship caliber roster, and so you know some of his flaws.
Obviously defensively, no thing he's got exposed, much like Lebron,
who didn't shoot it as well in his first series
against you know, when he was with Cleveland like that
first time. A lot of times guys go through that.
Speaker 7 (24:59):
Yeah, I'm sorry, I know we compare, you know, Luca
to uh Bird and Harden. In my opinion, am I
tripping or does he just give me like old Lebron vibes?
Speaker 6 (25:10):
Is it crazy?
Speaker 3 (25:12):
I think he's I think there's a lot of Lebron.
I think there's a lot of Bird to it, like
if Bird was this era and was more like again,
it's the the Bird thing is the he can kind
of get where he wants and does does what he
wants despite the fact that he doesn't look like he
goes by anybody, writes Paul Pierce, kind of like sort
of way. And then yeah, the he tries to do everything,
you know, like Lebron dominates the game and constantly acting
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like he's getting fouled, and sometimes he is a lot
like Lebron. Yes, there's no there's there's there's no question
that I get some of the exact same same vibes.
If your Golden State, how do he approach the Clay thing?
Speaker 7 (25:50):
Man Clay Clay Clay would all due respect, I'm probably
offering a mid level exception and he's just gonna have
to take a pay cut or he's gonna have to walk,
and we'll give him a great tribute and everything when
it comes back. It's just you got to understand, man,
Klay Thompson is two years of basketball at acl and
then an achilles. It's unbelievable that he's playing Klay Thompson
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physically his body, like his mind is there, but his
body can only do so much. So I get him
some help. I'd get him on a mid level so
I can go and get some other talent and guys
in there and hopefully, you know, get him to buy
in and just say, hey, Clay.
Speaker 6 (26:30):
You know you're gonna be a warrior for life.
Speaker 7 (26:31):
You know you want to work on our front office.
Speaker 6 (26:33):
Whatever you do.
Speaker 7 (26:34):
I don't know if that's tampering or legal whatever it is,
but it's like, Clay, like this is home, Like don't worry.
Like maybe the money's not there because we got to
get better and we got to win, but this is
home for you, Clay, And you know, maybe play the
sentimental card. You know, hey, who wants to move. He's
been in the home in the same place his own
entire career.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
Why does Paul George want to leave the Clippers.
Speaker 7 (26:56):
Doesn't sound like he wants to. Sounds like they're not
offering them money hit to him that he you know,
he should get And.
Speaker 6 (27:03):
I just.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
I reprase the question why the Clippers don't want to
pay Paul George, Like what what is missing in that
relationship where he said some things about how they play
and they're clearly not ready to offer him, you know,
the max contract they can offer him. What what is
it about that relationship that isn't working.
Speaker 7 (27:22):
It enams me because Kawhi Leonard got paid and I
would right now at this stage take Paul George over
Kawhi Leonard. So it almost begs to differ. There's something
behind the same personal song on or maybe there's something
set up Doug where again they got to get younger
dude because they're stuck and he's their best asset and
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you can provide a sign and trade.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (27:47):
That's that's all that.
Speaker 6 (27:48):
I can think, because.
Speaker 7 (27:51):
Letting your best player go doesn't quite add up. And
maybe the fear that if Paul George gets hurt another time,
his value may not be as high. So sometimes is
not always a sign of disrespect, but it's a like, hey,
like we're stuck in the same spot. We got it
tweak and say something.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Ryan and the best man. I really appreciate it. You're
always honest, you're always prepared. Thanks so much for being
our guest and.
Speaker 6 (28:12):
The hurt anytime, brother, we'll talk.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
So all right, that's my guy, Ryan Hollins of course
UCLA ten years in the league. Now he's the color
analyst for the Houston Rockets and our Fox Sports Radio
NBA Insider. Let's get you to Ryan music with the news. No, no, no,
the news.
Speaker 8 (28:30):
This is the herd Line News La Royan, Hello, Doug.
Always great to have Ryan Hollinds on, such a great perspective,
spend so much time in the league. Love having him on.
But we're gonna pivot to an all NFL herd Line
news here. Start off with the New England Patriots, who
had a number of changes this offseason, obviously letting go
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of the legendary Bill Belichick, but also landing Drake May
their quarterback at number three overall. In most situations, you'd
probably assume that that means that he's gonna be their
Week one starter and their quarterback of the future. Well
that's not so fast. Let's slow down here a little bit.
That could end up being Jacoby Bursett, at least to
start the season. According to insider Chad Graff, He's pointed
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out that up to this point, Brissett has been getting
all the starter reps his previous experience with offensive coordinator
Alex van Pelt, who, in passing answered some questions from
the press referring to Burssett as the starter, and he
also added this quote, as long as May doesn't dramatically
outperform him, Burssett will probably be the Week one starter
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in New England.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
That's amazing because it's probably the smartest thing possible, right,
probably the smartest thing possible. I mean, let's just be honest, right,
that is incredible, incredible in terms of, hey, if we
could find the right who's just solid and let a
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young quarterback evolve, I mean, like that's what's happened with Mahomes. Sure,
it does work with guys, It's just we have this
impetuous need to play guys right away to validate that
we took them in the first round and start that
clock early and that way in year two, three and four,
now we're really building a roster, Like I get it,
I love the idea. I just do, and especially for
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Washington man, Like they've been searching. You know, Washington is
the guy they've been searching. They have their quarterback. I
know that who they're gonna play for. Drake May in
his situation. Yeah, Like, does he jump off the page
to you as ready to play? No, I don't think so.
I like to set up for him. I like to
set up for prisset perset to solid. Dude. Remember he
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started and played a lot of different places for personally.
I like that plan.
Speaker 8 (30:52):
Yeah, it makes sense, especially with the entire rebuild that
the Patriots are having to go through right now.
Speaker 5 (31:00):
With this roster.
Speaker 8 (31:01):
I don't think anybody looks at their roster as a
whole and goes, wow, this team is really up there
to compete with some of the likes of the other
powerhouses in the AFC. So not just throwing him out
there to struggle and perhaps kill his confidence. You're right,
Perhaps sitting him could be the way to go. And
in a similar idea, we'll transition our way over from
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the Patriots to the Pittsburgh Steelers, who are making a
change at quarterback themselves. It's no longer Kenny Pickett, it
is likely going to be Russell Wilson as the starter
for however long or short that may be. But they
also brought in quarterback Justin Fields, formerly of the Chicago Bears.
From the athletic Mark Cabali, talking about Fields and what
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his future could look like in Pittsburgh, he noted that
the Packers, who had only seen Jordan Love in practice
and not in any real sort of extended game action,
opted to give Jordan Love an additional year on his
contract and then giving him the opportuned to become the starter.
And is this perhaps the same path we could see
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with Fields? Will the Steelers look to get Fields on
a discounted rate beyond just this season and perhaps see
if he can develop into their full time starter. He
did go on to point out the various differences between
the Jordan Love situation and the Justin Field situation. But
interesting to point out that Mike Tomlin now has a
contract extension, so he's not necessarily under a ton of
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immense heat to necessarily win another Super Bowl. And perhaps
there's a longer term play here beyond just this season
for Justin Fields.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
Don't I don't see it. I could be wrong, you know,
could Justin Fields be the old Cordell Stewart slash, Sure,
I just I mean, there'd have to be massive improvement
him as a thrower. I just I don't see it.
I don't think that he would be he would be
on a team where he's the clear backup after coming
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off of being a starter for the last couple of
years with the Bears. If that was the plan, I
just don't see that as the plan.
Speaker 8 (33:06):
Yeah, that's fair. It's tough to see at this point.
That is certainly like I don't.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Think he's to the Trey Lance right Trey Lance part,
but I definitely don't. And Russell Wilson's gonna be the starter,
and I do think that at some point he'll get
a chance, but I don't think, you know, long term,
like that's their plan as of now, and they've seen
him and the reports are he's been rather underwhelming during
his time there anyway.
Speaker 8 (33:30):
And we'll wrap up with this the Buffalo Bills obviously
trying to get over that AFC hump to get on
the level of the Chiefs. Who knows if they'll actually
be able to achieve it this year, but one of
their big time players that they brought in thinking that
it would help them get over that next hurdle of
the Chiefs was von Miller. A few years ago. After
he won the Super Bowl with the Rams, he signed
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with the Bills. Unfortunately, it has not gone well, mostly
due to injury. But head coach Sean McDermott talking to
a former Bills center and your friend Eric Wood on
his podcast, saying, in his first year off the ACL
it was an uphill climb. Now we're getting into the
second year off the injury, and we'll see how we'll
see what he can do. We're excited he's moving and
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seeing how he can impact our team. You can never
count a player or a person like von Miller out.
I'm not sure I would expect much else from Sean
McDermott to say, but the Bill is certainly hoping and
banking that he can be that difference maker that they
initially had visions of when they first brought him in.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
Like he's not strong though, right, I mean, we all
realize age and injuries have piled up, so the likelihood
is that he won't be. But I mean, those are
great things to say about him, and he's like, you know,
you not could count anybody out. But yeah, that butt
is the big thing. That's Ryan Measy. Go with the news.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The
Herd Line.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
News Coming up next in The Herd, Apparently there's a
new trend in air travel. I had never heard of
it before. What is it? Find out next.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
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and noon eastern nine am Pacific.
Speaker 9 (35:12):
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Speaker 3 (35:53):
Doug Golibin for collinists to hurt. Fox Sports Radio iHeartRadio
app Welcome, Welcome, welcome in. I'll be back tomorrow as
Colin is on vacation, so more gottlieba goodness, good goodness,
I don't know. In the meantime, let's get to the
best for last, shall we.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
It's almost the end of the show, but that doesn't
mean we're phoning it in. Nope, we grind it the
very last segment. It's time for best, for.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
Best for last. All right, for best for last. I
want to turn this over to Jason Stewart because this
is a story that he brought to the table, and
I want to make sure that we point out the
phrase being used to express what this is not something
we created. It's what they're calling it. And yes, I
do know that that is that is a phrase for
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something else, completely, something else that has nothing to do
with that.
Speaker 5 (36:45):
Yeah, like most words or most terms in our society nowadays,
there's an Urban Dictionary definition, then there's another definition. So
headline from New York post men are doing on flights.
Here's what the weird travel trend means. Raw dogging has
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become the buzziest travel trend of the summer. Doug seeing,
stealth plane passengers forego the modern comforts of flying to
stare at either an in flight map or nothing at
all for lengthy trips. No music, no streaming, no snacking,
no sleep. I guess this was inspired by the Apple
(37:28):
TV series starring idrise Elba called Hijacked, where his character,
I guess, took a long flight overseas and did nothing
but stare directly in front of him raw dogging dog.
Now the reason why I brought this up on this show,
as you fill in for the Herd today, this is
the opposite of you. I've never seen you not engaged
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on your phone, and I know that you travel what
like a million miles a year. I mean, you're always
on a plane and you're always on your phone. And
I'm thinking the last person on earth to ever row
dogs as it goes to this story is Doug Gottli.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
It's an amazing point. Yes, I a little bit too
much of an information junkie, and I love a communication
junkie as well. I will tell you that I have
a place that overlooks Green Bay, which is part of
Lake Michigan, and I have taken fifteen minutes a day
to no device and just sit and enjoy like summers
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in northern Wisconsin are freaking incredible, right, incredible? So I've
done a better job, but there's zero chance. Have you
ever been in a flight without Wi Fi? You almost
feel like there's no radar? How are we going to exist? Sir?
We're just going to Las Vegas. It's a forty minute flight.
I'm like, look at this to the southwest? Do I
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have to say? Uh? What is it? I mean, flight attendant?
Is that a bad Is that a bad word? Steward?
This is what you're not supposed to say, flight attendant.
Speaker 5 (39:05):
I don't know if flight attendant's gone the way of
the PC police.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
It sounds stewardess has.
Speaker 5 (39:11):
Oh no, don't even say that. We'll clean that up
and edit.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
No, why do we have to clean up and edit?
What does what is a steward?
Speaker 5 (39:18):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (39:20):
What is the definition of a steward?
Speaker 5 (39:22):
Someone who helps you out with things like correct?
Speaker 3 (39:26):
Why? Why is it a bad word to say? What
a steward? This is person looks after after you, personal
responsible supplies with food. I don't know why it is
it bad? Anyway? Like I I have no desire to
ever do that. If I'm on a plane, I'm either
I'm usually reading, uh you're reading and texting and then
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or sleeping. And you know, on the rare occasion that
there's something on live sports TV. You know, you try
and link it up where you're at the right time.
You can watch where you can want, such a football
game or a basketball game, whatever on on live TV.
So I watched the Super Bowl one. You're on a plane.
I forget which super Bowl we're at, but I stayed
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there until Super Bowl Sunday and then left like right
at game time, right at game time, and literally watched
the game on a plane. It was amazing. It was great.
Bother me, I had good headphones on. No who's bothered me?
Was awesome. Whereas you know, sometimes you at the Super
Bowl party, you'll have people. You'll have the ex football
player that he will like call out what they're doing, Like, dude,
you know, Traygman's got this one. Buddy. We're good, Like
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I think I think Troy is going to take us
home here, Okay, so we're good. What is your Ryan music?
What do you do when you're on a long flight.
Remember we used to this time of year people would
buy the college football preview magazine, right Lindy's or some
of the other ones, the Athlons. I don't even know
(40:55):
if they sell those anymore, right, because the Internet has
made them kind of non existent. I know they still
have them, but I think you have more digitally, Ryan,
what do you do? You're get on a plane? What
do you do?
Speaker 8 (41:04):
Yeah, I'm usually gonna start with a book and then
I'll transition into some type of bingeable TV show or movie.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
Now current current current binging is what what are you
binging currently?
Speaker 5 (41:17):
Currently?
Speaker 8 (41:18):
Well, not binging because it comes out weekly, but House
of the Dragon.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (41:22):
And then I guess the other one that we're trying
to finish is for All Mankind on Apple TV.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
What's for All Mankind?
Speaker 8 (41:30):
It's a sort of alternative history about if the space
race between the Soviet Union and the United States had
gone slightly differently and we were not the first to
land on the moon or the first to film it, whichever,
you know, I'm kidding.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
Oh good, uh yeah, Look, I the first the first season,
in the second season were great.
Speaker 8 (41:53):
I'm now onto the fourth season and it's it has
gone down a precipitous decline as time has gone on, unfortunately.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
All right, Jason Stewart. You're you're flying on a plane.
What do you do?
Speaker 5 (42:06):
I'm also I also have a book to read. But
you know what the game changer was for me with
the noise canceling headphones, so you could listen to you
can listen to music, and you could watch your shows
and actually hear them. It's amazing now. And I'm currently
binging House of Dragon as well. But the mayor of
was it mayor of East Town? No something town? Good,
(42:30):
Jeremy Renner.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
Really good, really really really good. Well, I would never
be caught. I'm not even gonna use that term because
that term means something completely different to me. But I sorry,
I just can't stare at a wall or back somebody's
head and then people make noises and the babies crying
like that. That takes the type of personal stuff discipline
I just don't have, just don't have. I know myself
(42:54):
to thy own self be true. All right, back tomorrow.
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