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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Well, they're breaking television FS one Fox rating records. We
said two weeks ago the National League Playoffs are must watch.
You don't have to be a Metro Phillies fan or
a Podre Dodger fan. And it really if the Podrais
and Mets end up in the NLCS, it's great. I
thought it would be Dodgers Phillies. But the Mets, I
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mean they are They're hitting everything, and so let's bring it.
Adam Wainwright eighteen years, three time All Star, Golden Glove,
multiple time winner FS one. So like sometimes there are
a catalyst for an offense. I mean, Dodgers, will you
know they're putting no Tawny top of the lineup, Podres
have a batting champ top of the lineup. The Mets
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lead the postseason and hits and runs is there a
catalyst for it, or do you just think they're hot
and it's just they're tough outs up and down the
lineup for you.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Well, it's been a different star kind of each day.
I mean, Mark Vientos has obviously kind of stepped up
and become their you know, slug a percentage. He's the
guy that hits a couple of huge home runs for them.
But then Pete Alonzo's the only reason they're playing right now,
you know what I mean. They He hit that dramatic
home run in Milwaukee off one of the best closers
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in all of baseball, and last night he went upper
tank opposite field on a fastball perfectly located up in
a way, a pitch that he just hasn't hit this year.
But that just shows you that he's getting mechanically right
at the plate. But I mean, obviously, you know they
got who by any stretch would almost always win the MVP.
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The way he's playing at shortstop, the way he's driving
in runs at the top of the order. I mean,
this Mets lineup is tremendous from top to bottom right now.
When you have guys in your seven hole and eight
hole producing like they do, and guys. They had two
guys in Triple A to start the season that are
just stepping up in huge ways for them. Right now,
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the Mets are playing inspired baseball. They're a very very
dangerous team, obviously, but they could win this whole thing.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
No, the bottom of the Phillies lineup is not hitting,
and that's probably the difference in the series. So tonight
Jose Kintana throws, and if you're the Phillies, they become
pretty reliant. Top of the lineup. I'm looking right here
is the Phillies six to seven, eight nine hitters are
four for forty one. How do you attack Kintana tonight?
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Well, And that's one of the big stories coming in,
was can the bottom of the Phillies' order produced? Because
the top of the order has has handled their business somewhat,
they're getting pitched very tough on it, but the bottom
of the words got to step up. If you're Kintana, though,
you know what he does. It matches up very well
with a lot of these Philly hitters. He pounds the
ball up in the zone. He's got a he's got
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a below average fastball velocity but above average fastball location.
He commands everything very well. When you command everything, and
he's got a little bit of hop, little bit of carry,
a little bit of cut more than the average fastball
that he just runs it up and in on these
right hitters very well. And that's going to be tough
for these for these big hitters. But you know, he
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also uses that change up really well. He's got a
great breaking ball. He works off of it. And this guy,
I've pitched with him before, he's been on my team.
He is not scared of the big moment. He's a
great competitor.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
So it's interesting watching Dodgers and the Podreys. So the
Dodgers have some older stars. I mean, they spend a
billion dollars in free agency. Next closest was the Giants
at three hundred million, So they've pushed a lot of
salaries down the road, but they're fudging the numbers they are.
This feels like I mean the Yankees ears and years
and years ago felt like that if they wanted a guy,
they'd go buy it. That's the Dodgers now. They just
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push salaries down the road. But when I watched the
games on television, it's very rare when you can get
great players but they play with no pressure and a
chip on their shoulder, and between Tatis Manny Machado, it
just jumps off the television. They're playing loose, They're I mean,
they're literally taunting the Dodger crowd. There is something about
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I mean, were you ever on a team that you
felt you had just as good as talent or better,
but you were playing with no pressure at all. That's
what it feels like with the Padres.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Well, that's largely what happens when you're in the Midwest.
No one really expects you to go into the big
markets and win. But you know, the two teams that
are up in those those series right now, the Mets
and the Padres. They came in as kind of the
little brother of this situation. Nobody's expecting the Mets to
come in here and beat this great Philly team. Nobody's
expecting the Padres to come in and beat that great
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Dodger team. But if you look kind of inside, what's
going on. Even though the Padres de sauce Musgrove, their
team's probably more healthy, their pitching staff is certainly more healthy.
Even though the Dodgers' bullpen down the stretch was really excellent.
They were great, but they've had so many injuries to
their starting rotation it's hard to come back from that.
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I don't care what team you are. If you lose
four of your five starting pitchers and almost five at
some point, you're gonna have a hard time winning games.
I don't care how great your lineup is, and they
have certainly one of the greatest lineups that anyone's ever seen.
But the Padres from top to bottom rotation wise, their
bullpen's doing great there their lineup, I mean, they're hitting
home runs at a clip that I've never seen before.
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They are just extremely tough. But it all comes down
to playing great as a team at the right time.
These two teams, the Mets and the Padres, are playing
great at the right time. They're I mean, I kind
of I don't like saying get hot, because these two
teams are just actually very good, but they're playing well together.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Yeah, Tetise is an amazing player. He hits now with
power and there's no strikeouts. He's ten for eighteen, four
homers in five games, no strikeouts. That's insane. The you know,
I want to go back to the Mets. It is.
We all know that There's been quarterbacks in our lifetime, Lway,
Mahomes Brady. They're great from behind, their great fourth quarter.
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Baseball is different though, because it's not a singular force.
The Mets are this come from behind team, and it's weird.
I'm watching the other night. They can't get on base,
they can't string things together, and then all of a sudden,
you know, they come, jump, surge past. They did it
with the Brewers, they did it against the Phillies. How
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do you explain? Is there you know they used to
talk about ghosts at Yankee Stadium. There is something weird
about the Mets that they almost they're better late? Is
it just coincidence? Have you ever in your eighteen years,
were you ever on a team like that.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
I don't know if I've ever seen a team come
back as many times as they've done this last month.
It's been remark arkable. And I asked a few of
those guys in the clubhouse and they'll say the same thing.
This is our destiny. We're supposed to win these games.
And I think the great thing about is they don't
get down when they're behind. They are still comfortable and
trusting their guys to be able to put a good
swing or a big inning together. And they've done that
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time and time again, you know, and they have guys
throughout the lineup that they can pass the baton, and
they're comfortable with the guy behind them. They trust them
in behind them. You know, when Lindor gets off to
he gets on base to lead off a game. I
actually thought coming into this series, I thought maybe the
Phillies should let the Mets get ahead in the first
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inning or a second inning, because they would they might
not know how to act when they're leading. But you know,
the fact of the matter is they're winning games however
they need to win. And when they get into these
big situations down the stretch in the game seven, eight,
nine innings, eighth, ninth innings especially, they're comfortable and they
are confident and they just and here's a great thing
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about sports. When you expect to get the gut the
job done, a lot of times you do and when
you when you you know, drop your head the other team.
Here's what's been so impressive, especially Game two. Both these
teams the other side would you know, hit a dramatic
home run to take a lead or to tie it up,
and you would think the other side would go, goly man,
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this team, but they'd go, okay, all right, you can
do it. We can do it too, And they just
were punching back and forth. And that's what's been impressed
with this Mets team, man, that they they showed up yesterday.
They they were not worried at all about losing that
tough game. In game too, they showed up here and
played a great game, Sham and I pitched an unbelievable game,
and they just beat them, you know, And so, uh,
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I think the Phillies are on the ropes. But if
the Phillies win today, the Mets are in big trouble.
So this could go two different ways, obviously, but but
you know, I think maybe right now the Mets may
have the advantage. But if if somehow the Phillies can
sneak out a win today, because they have a great
playoff performer on the Mount Rangers sworez, if they can
win today game, it's going to be very tough for
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the Mets.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Yeah, Dodgers in real trouble. They're throwing a bullpen game tonight,
so they needed last night and tonight Dodgers going with
a bullpen. That's a tough spot to be in against
the team to tease Machado, the rookie a Merril. They're
hitting the ball, so I think the Dodgers are in
some trouble. Finally, I want a football take. Before you
went on the air today, I was talking about Aaron
Rodgers struggling in the last twenty two games. Yes, and
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you brought up something about his injury, and I think
this is important context for the audience to hear.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Yeah. Yeah, So I tore the exact same achilles that
he tore, which is your land leg, and it's you
think that that would be the better leg to tear,
but unfortunately with that hit that lead leg. When you land,
you throw against your front side, and if you lose
that front side, it takes you a little bit of
time to relearn how to throw the ball and how
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to use your legs properly in space. And he's going
to learn that. He's one of the best performers of
our lifetime. He's one of the best throwers of the football. Ever.
I don't think anyone's arguing that he's just gonna have
to relearn how to use his legs. It sounds crazy,
but those achilles are funky injuries man. And for throwers
that plant leg, that's a very important If you can't
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throw against your front side, it's gonna be tough. And so,
uh watch you watch now, this is my call on
the herd. Here you watch all right. Halfway through this season,
he's gonna catch fire and he's gonna be he's gonna
be unbelievable down the stretch.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Adam Waynwright, musician, gonna be a Hall of Famer, great
analyst and football takes. I got to get out of
this business. You could sit in this chair, but you're
too busy. Your life's too full. It's great seeing you.
I love you taking time for us and enjoy the
game tonight. We'll be watching all right.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Thanks, Thanks Harry, great.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
You bet the great Adam Waynwright, who's just so good
for us. And yeah, like I think I think the
Phillies still have a fighting chance. Dodger's still in a
bull game, bullpen game tonight. So against San Diego, good luck.
You know, it's weird, it's the way sports works out.
San Diego loses its NFL team, and since that time,
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it feels like the Podres have just invested the community
in the baseball operation. They run like a major market team.
They run like Boston used to. Like they they got
big bats and big contracts, and it's like, you know,
you think to yourself, Ah, they lose their NFL team.
Their baseball team is so dynamic and electric and the
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environment's so crazy.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
You know.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
It's like, I mean, La welcome the Chargers, but it's
like the Padres have just San Diego has just totally
embraces baseball operation and it's really fun. And the Dodgers
throwing the bullpen tonight, good luck.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
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Speaker 1 (11:55):
J Mack with the News.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
No No, this is the Herd line News.
Speaker 5 (12:02):
Well to baseball today.
Speaker 6 (12:03):
Big NFL game tomorrow night, the Niners visit Seattle. Niners
have already lost three games this season, two in the division.
They still, though, have the third shortest odds to win
the Super Bowl. Nick Bosa is not taking San Franz
early season losses lately.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
It's a lot of pressure.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
It's not a must win because technically your season's over
if it's a must win, but it definitely feels like
it's so we're treating it that way.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Yeah, it's I would say in this division, it's not
a must win. This is the one division that's weird,
and I don't think who leads now will lead. I
don't love anybody in that division now. But when the
Rams get healthy next week, I think the Rams are
gonna rebound and look really good. Every other division I
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have a feeling about, like Kansas City, I trust Buffalo,
Kansas City, Baltimore, Houston. I think Atlanta's gonna win THEIRS.
I think Washington's for real in their division, They're gonna
be a playoff team, whether it's wildcard or win the division.
And this division though, the NFC West, I'm just gonna
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let up. Give me about three weeks from now, I
think it's all gonna play out. I think Seattle's limited offensively,
I think Arizona may be a bit limited defensively. In
San Francisco probably gets it right.
Speaker 6 (13:30):
So the one drawback is you can forget about home
field advantage.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
If you lose this game, right, I.
Speaker 6 (13:37):
Mean, Colin, the Vikings are rolling, Detroit is gonna start
to roll, and then the Philadelphia Eagles have the easiest
schedule in the NFC the rest of the way.
Speaker 5 (13:44):
Look at this schedule for the Niners.
Speaker 6 (13:47):
You still have dates against Kansas City, Okay, you have
the Green Bay game, the Buffalo game. I mean, Miami
and tool will be fighting for a playoff spot Detroit
in week seventeen.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
I don't see a world with the Niners or home
field advantage.
Speaker 6 (13:59):
And remember they lost to the Rams at SOFI in
the NFC Championship. They were at home last year, were
able to come back against Detroit. Don't field advantage means
something in the playoffs. I think this is a huge game.
I'm on the Niners here at three. I don't love
it as much at three and a half. I haven't
heard about Jake Moody, the kicker, like they couldn't kick
last week.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
I remember without him.
Speaker 5 (14:19):
Yeah, so I don't know what's going on with that.
You have a lean or anything.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
On this one, yeah, I mean, I think in these
big standalone games, home teams have played very well. So
if you give me the hook, I would take Seattle.
I think also Seattle played very poorly against the Giants,
so a home team Gino played poorly, I'm taking the hook.
I would probably bet Seattle.
Speaker 6 (14:41):
And final note, rookie coaches making their Thursday night football debut.
Going back to two thousand, they are twenty two and
thirty four against the spread.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
They just aren't ready, girod Mayo.
Speaker 6 (14:53):
We saw this year Patriots looked wholly unprepared against the Jets.
It's tough, short week. You know you got a rookie OC.
I mean, it's just a tough spot for Seattle. I'll
go with the Niners here. Next story Colin is Jerry
Jones jered so this is interesting. Friday, he went on
a radio show in Dallas and agreed with one of
the hosts who suggested the Cowboys were in a soft rebuild. Okay,
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that was Friday. Well yesterday Jerry said, well, well, I
didn't mean that saying and said he wanted younger players
the Cowboys have drafted to replace injured starters like DeMarcus
Lawrence and Micah Parsons.
Speaker 5 (15:33):
This comes down to why is the owner doing a
Friday radio hit anyway?
Speaker 6 (15:37):
You know, I get it, if you're a billionaire, you
do whatever the hell you want you on the team. Well,
but he's just creating more stuff that doesn't really need
to be out there well.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
They I don't know rebuild. I think if you have
Dak Prescott, a star receiver, Micah Parsons and Mike McCarthy,
I don't feel it's a rebuild. But what I do
think they are I think they're incredibly top heavy, and
I think the part of their offensive line except zat Martin,
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they're rebuilding their offensive line. And if a team is
rebuilding their offensive line more than any unit on a team,
then that feels like a rebuild because your quarterback's paying
the price, you're running games paying the price, and your
receivers can't get don't have extra time, have all the
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units on a team. If you're rebuilding your own line,
it feels more like a rebuild. You're not gonna be
as good in third down, you won't be as good
in the red zone, you won't be good running the
football with leads. You can be rebuilding your d line,
and if the offense is humming, you don't really notice.
Speaker 6 (16:47):
It's interesting you mentioned the trenches. So I'm gonna give
you the quarterbacks that Dallas has faced. So they faced
Deshaan Watson and.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
They beat him.
Speaker 6 (16:54):
He's arguably the worst quarterback in the League, right, yea, yeah, Okay,
So then they face Derek Carr, who I don't know
where are you, dear, Like, he hasn't been great, but
he killed the Cowboys.
Speaker 5 (17:02):
It he's like a mediocre quarterback. Did they face Lamar Jackson?
That was twenty eight six?
Speaker 6 (17:06):
They were getting Shotston, Daniel Jones, bad quarterback, I know
you kind of like him. Beat him justin Fields, okay quarterback.
Now they go back to facing a.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Top tier Well, they're gonna face in order Jared Goff,
Brock Purty, Kirk Cousins, Jalen Hurt, c j Stroud, Jaden
Daniels and an improved Daniel Jones.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
That is rough.
Speaker 6 (17:25):
I'm just saying this Dallas defense is not great against
good quarterbacks. Colin, I think that Pittsburgh win was fools gold.
I like the Lions a lot so against it.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
I love him at minus three at three and a half,
it's a tough a little less.
Speaker 6 (17:37):
So. Final story is, oh, let's go back to the Jets.
I mean again, it's the New York Jets. Robert Solid
fired yesterday, Aaron Rodgers denying he was involved.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
Well, Hassan Redick is still not reported to the Jets.
Speaker 6 (17:50):
Remember, he's been holding out since the Philly traded him
to the Jets, another disaster for this franchise. While addressing
the media about Sala's firing yesterday, Jets owner Woody Johnson
asked Reddick to come join the team.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
We'd like to have a SOM here. We'd welcome with
open arms. He'll find a very welcome Walker room. He'll
be able to fit right in. But he's got to
get here first. So the som get in your car,
drive down ninety five and come to the New York Jets.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Yeah. I wish it was that easy.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
I mean, what are you just embarrassing?
Speaker 3 (18:24):
What?
Speaker 5 (18:24):
What are you owner?
Speaker 6 (18:25):
Pleading with a holdout to please come in like he
was groveling to get Aaron Rodgers Like, I just.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
He's recruiting him. He's doing a Nick Saban. He's recruiting him.
Speaker 5 (18:38):
You think Nick Saban was groveling for recruits like that.
Speaker 6 (18:42):
He's like, Hey, you want to go to the NFL,
come play for Alabama?
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Do you buy this whole? Aaron Rodgers blindsided?
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Stop it.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
Nobody with a pole splices that. Rogers trying to sell that.
Come on blindsided?
Speaker 3 (18:58):
All right?
Speaker 1 (18:59):
I haven't been on the interweb today.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
That's good.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Is the interweb buying that?
Speaker 5 (19:04):
I don't know a lot of the Internet's dumb.
Speaker 6 (19:06):
I mean these people who are sitting online all day,
these anonymous trolls coming after us and DeVoe Aaron Rodgers's
are these right?
Speaker 5 (19:11):
He wasn't involved? Is there just kind of over this
line side.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Jmckle the news.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
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Speaker 1 (19:54):
So here's rich Samini said, Aaron Rodgers probably took this
harder than anybody per Tyler Conklin. He says Roger spoken
of players only meeting, expressed the need for accountability. Conklin says,
nobody in the building believes Aaron had anything to do
with the firing, and well, all that matters is what's
in the building. But all right, uh okay, I mean,
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if that's the case, whatever, I won't be cynical. If
that's the case, Woody Johnson is worse than I thought. Nobody.
I mean again, there's not a lot of blindsided surprises
over the course of I mean the companies I've worked with.
I mean, it occasionally happens, something inappropriate happens, or something
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nobody knew about, but most of the time it's just
nobody's blindsided.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
You know.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
I was thinking about this so Joel Clatt. Earlier we
were talking about who's going to replace Robert Salah and
Joel Clatt this is an outrageous claim by Joel Clatt.
Here's the thing that you got to understand about the NFL.
It doesn't matter who your coach is. It matters who
your quarterback is. Has Bill Belichick done anything without Tom Brady?
Speaker 3 (21:09):
No?
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Has Andy Reid done anything without Patrick Mahomes. I'm not
saying that they're not good, but you don't What are
we trying.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
To do here?
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Are we trying to be good or are we trying
to win Super Bowls. That makes it sound very simple.
I do think if there are six components, and I
believe strongly in this, if there are six components total
to win a Super Bowl where you have to be
really good, I think it's quarterback number one, head coach
number two, left tackle number three, pass rusher somewhere number four,
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your coordinator on the opposite side of the head coach five,
and then one at least one big weapon. So for instance,
when Sean McVeigh is coach, it could be a Raheem
Morris or Andy Reid does the offense. Steve Spagnola. Houston's
a great example. So let's take the Houston Texans quarterback
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C J. Stroud, excellent, Tamiko Ryan's excellent, head coach Laramie Tunzo,
great left tackle, Will Anderson, great pass rusher Bobby Slowick,
the coordinator who's opposite the head coach, specialty five, and
then weapon Nico Collins. So that to me is a
super Bowl team if you have those six. Well, the
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Jets quarterback Aaron is no longer top five head coach solo.
We don't know if he was good. My guess as
he wasn't. Left tackle, em, pass rush, no problem coordinator
Nat Hackett's a disaster opposite Sola's defensive head coach lean
and weapon Garrett Wilson. So they've got some of them.
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But I mean, if you look at the Chiefs, it's Mahomes,
Andy Reid, left tackle, they've been okay. Pass rush Chris
Jones spags the coordinator on the opposite side of Andy
Reid's specialty, and the weapon it's either Travis kel See
Isaiah Pacheco, it was Rashid Rice. So that you don't
have to be a plus at all of them. Left
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tackle they've been fined the one Super Bowl, they weren't
good at left tackle. They had an injury, they got
blown out. But that, to me, that's the six things
that you got to be. You can't be terrible at
any of them. If you have a terrible left tackle,
it'll unravel a great coach and a great quarterback. It
unraveled Andy Reid and Mahomes and the Super Bowl against Tampa.
You can't be terrible head coach, quarterback, head coach, left tackle,
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pass rusher somewhere, the coordinator opposite of the head coach specialty,
and then the weapon. And that to me is how
you win Super Bowls right there? What do you think
about that take?
Speaker 5 (23:43):
I don't hate it. I just want to hear.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
By the way, I don't have cornerback. Jets have great corners.
I don't think cornerbacks are essential. I think you can
be good at corner not great. You can have. You know,
Jets have the best corners in the league. Last couple
of years. Hasn't meant anything. You gotta it really charts
quarterback coach left tackle?
Speaker 5 (24:01):
Well, do you remember in the off season.
Speaker 6 (24:03):
That's why I was like, hey, look into moving off
Sauce Gordon or something and FORTI five other positions you need.
I just, Colin, I go back to this, like every team,
you know what they are, the good teams Kansas City, right,
you know what they are. Defensively, Spagnolo's gonna blitz the
hell out of you, That's what he's gonna do. And
Chris Jones is gonna move all over the defensive line.
You know what they are, what they want to be
the Niners. When Kyle Shanahan lines up, you know what's coming.
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A lot of movement, a lot of guys getting yack.
I don't know what the Jets are, Colin.
Speaker 5 (24:31):
I just I don't think they know what they want
to be.
Speaker 6 (24:33):
Like if I were to sit in Nathaniel Hackett here,
they're like, what's your offensive philosophy?
Speaker 5 (24:37):
What are we as the Jets team? I'm part of
the team. Obviously, I would love to hear his answer,
because I don't think they know. Do you like watching them?
No motion?
Speaker 6 (24:47):
They want to run the football, they say all off
season they want to un and they throw fifty four
passes in London.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Yeah, they're not. You don't know exactly what they are.
Like even when San Francisco loses, you know what they're
trying to do. Yeah, Yeah, I think that's fair.
Speaker 6 (25:02):
Minnesota's starting to fall in that same bucket. Listen, go
look at that offense. There's guys open all the time. Yeah,
Sam Darnold's making plays defensively, Brian Flores, we are blitzing.
Speaker 5 (25:11):
The house is coming all the time.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (25:12):
I don't know what the Jets are.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
You know, it's interesting Aaron is positioning himself and you
can see everybody now that wants information from the Jets
is going to say Aaron didn't know anything. It would
be much more believable except that Aaron said such wonderful
things about Mike McCarthy. But I had two players tell me,
two players tell me they were in that huddle. Aaron
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didn't like McCarthy rolled his eyes at McCarthy's play calls.
So if you lie to me, I'm gonna assume you're
capable of doing it again. So Aaron positioned himself as
I McCarthy and I are good friends. But we know
Aaron led the NFL and takeaways his last year or
two with McCarthy, he would literally just roll his eyes
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or throwaways. Excuse me, he led the NFL, meaning I'm
not even gonna I'm not even gonna try to execute display.
He just let it and throwaways. And so Aaron likes
to use and by the way, Lebron will do this too.
Aaron likes to use media outlets leverage to I didn't
know anything, and maybe Aaron's right, but I know I've
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never told a story about Aaron what he said to
me once at the SP's and I don't know if
I ever will because it doesn't mean anything. But at
the time, it wasn't a shot at me. We didn't
know each other. I mean, I was barely on the air,
but it's the idea that he respected Mike and Mike
and he were great was just a bunch of nonsense.
I had players on the roster tell me we're at
practice in games, in the huddle. So when you do that,
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and now I'm supposed to believe as Salah tried to
come up and hug you, and you push back, as
boomerasias and says there's something wrong here. There were multiple
people saying it's not great. He's closer than that Hacket,
And now you want me to believe, Oh love the guy.
What do you expect me to do with somebody? My
job is essentially to find the truth. You said one
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thing in Green Bay, and I had it sourced. It
wasn't true. So you want to tell me he's a buddy.
I watch your actions. You don't talk to U Saul
on the sidelines. You go to the podium constantly and
take shots at him, and he takes shots at you.
What do you want me to believe? So?
Speaker 5 (27:21):
I think I told you this before.
Speaker 6 (27:23):
I had to do hosts, like an event for some
mobile phone thing and there was a former Packers player
there and behind the scenes we're talking.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
I was like, oh, what is it like working with Rogers.
This was like five years ago. He's like that was what.
He was the biggest jerk ever.
Speaker 6 (27:35):
I was a rookie. I would walk past him in
the hallway. I'd be like, hey, what's up, Aaron. He
would not even make eye contact, totally ignore me, to
the point I thought I was doing something wrong. So
this player, who was a tight end, went to the
coaches and was like, guys, does Aaron Rodgers hate me?
He doesn't talk to me, he doesn't give me instruction.
I'm gonna have no chance. They had to broke or
so Rogers and this guy sat down and like talked.
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That's how bad Aaron Rodgers is in the locker room.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
Can you imagine?
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Well, I don't think he's solid. I don't think he's
bad with all players. So Russell Wilson isn't loved in
a locker room, but for years was loved out of it.
Aaron's mostly been loved in the locker room, but not
out of them.
Speaker 5 (28:12):
But his guys like Alan, I mean it.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Does matter like Aaron does. I will defend it. Aaron
in the locker room much more popular than Russell Wilson
was in a locker room. Russell got better press out
of it. Aaron gets worse press out of it. So
Aaron's got his guys and there. I mean, I know
guys who have played with it idn't like him.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
I have.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
I've had multiple players play with him and they like him.
But he can he is He is what you see.
He is moody, he is prickly. He goes dark very fast.
Jeff Saturday has said this stuff he played with him.
Aaron is a moody guy, and that's that's his personality.
I'm not ripping him for that. Everybody can have their
bad days. But again, I I the idea that, uh
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this Aaron was devastated and I'm watching this thing. What's
amazing is if I was airing and heard that Nat
Hackett was getting demoted, I don't care how good of
friends we have, but it's my career demote him. That
Sala's not hurting you. The defense was great Sunday. Sala's
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side of the Ball's been outstanding. See you tomorrow. The
hurt