January 23, 2025 • 31 mins
Former Patriot Julian Edelman joins The Herd to talk about new head coach Mike Vrabel and why the Patriot way worked so well
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
Well, we're gonna have him on about a week ago,
and we're just happy to say Julian Edelman and his
family is safe and his house is safe. You were
in the crosshairs of that thing. I was for two days.
I was basically watching the neighborhood you were in because
I've got several friends there and there was a lot
of finger crossing and texting. But anxious time for you
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and your family.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Yeah, definitely a little anxious. You. First off, you gotta
thank the people that are out there battling it, the
first responders amazing, the firefighters, the National Guard and the
police for helping with these looters. I mean, this is
like a movie. It is like a movie. Last week
when it was Wednesday and the sunset fire came and
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we're dealing with the Pala States fire. I mean it's
I'm so lucky that nothing has happened to my house
and my family, but there's so many people in this
community that can't say that. And it's been really you know,
I was in Boston during the bombings of you know,
that marathon bombing, and you saw the tight group of
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people come together to you know, try to put that
whole thing down when when the guy was still free.
I've seen so many people in this community. This is
my first time really living here, helping people, people from
you know, out of la coming here. I've seen firefighters
from everywhere in the country, other parts of the world.
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I mean, it's been really cool to see people helping people. So,
you know, everyone out there, go donate to one of
the big three. I think there's a cowfire dot Org. Yeh,
there's the Red Cross. Because there's a lot of people
that aren't as lucky, and it's sad. I mean, we
just went to soccer practice last night. Three kids on
my daughter's soccer team lost their home. So it's nuts,
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you know, so but thankfully we got football to distract
distract us.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
I want to ask about I mean, you played quarterback,
you know the position, you know the complexities jade and Daniels.
I don't think I'm being I'm reaching saying, yeah, that's
the best rookie quarterback I've ever seen. I don't even
understand his ability. He is so poised in these late
game drives. Is that what impresses you?
Speaker 3 (02:40):
That's exactly what impresses me. I mean, we were saying
last year C. J. Stroud had probably the best quarterback
rookie season we've ever seen because of the same thing.
But Jaden and Daniels has continued this thing into the playoffs,
and it's very evident on situational plays like third down
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last week, fourth down a few times where they convert
where he's getting blitz, where he still stays within the
scheme and doesn't rush his progression. I mean he's beaten
blitz zero a handful of times. I can't put it
all that is blit Zero's all out blitz where you
have one guy unblocked and you have to get the
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ball out. It's the play that sent Lamar Jackson home
twice the last two years. That's what Spagnolo has been
sending him every time they're in that fourth or third down. Yea,
and they haven't been had they haven't had an answer.
Jade Daniels beat that thing like consistently this year. That's
what's impressive. That's like not just rookie quarterback stuff. That's
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pro quarter like veteran quarterback execution. He's been doing it
at a high level. You know he's gonna have a
huge test this week. But that calm, cool, collectness and
how gotta have it type situations are what it really impressed.
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Speaker 1 (04:09):
Can Philadelphia run their way to the Lombardi Trophy?
Speaker 3 (04:16):
They can run their way to the trophy. I don't
think they can get the trophy just running it though.
This week I think they should be able to beat
the Washington Commanders. Now, Jane Daniels is a he's a joker,
but he's a joker in the play defense. He doesn't
play defense. So this team, pound for pound, should win
this game and run their way into the super Bowl.
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But once you get there and you're either gonna play
you know Spagnolo and the Chiefs who can stop the run,
who know who have been in this situation where they've
played a run heavy team in the Super Bowl, like,
it's gonna be a different thing. You're gonna have to
come up with some situational throws that you're gonna have
to be able to execute on. And if you play
against the Bills, god forbid you, you know, jump out
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and not have a lead and let these guys go
out and put it on you where they have to
get into their drop back pass game, which we've seen
over the last few weeks hasn't been there. So I
think they could run their way into the Super Bowl.
I don't think you could run your way to win
a Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Buffalo has matured as a team. You can't sack them,
no penalties, don't turn it over. Baltimore's not there yet.
Buffalo has matured. Now when I look at your career
and I think, well, you guys were always mature. But
when you were younger with the Lady Aaron Hernandez or Gronk,
there were times where you were young, you know, and
I don't. I can't line up every year and who
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you exactly played with off the top of my head.
But even in New England's ecosystem, there were older teams,
there were younger teams. Take me to your playoff history
that did you like some young guys or were there
times that you went into big games and you're like,
I'm glad we got older dudes. I mean, Buffalo's matured.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Though they're matured at the right spots. I was older
you got, and that's what you have. You have cornerstone
players and then they have a whole lot of young
guys that they've hit on in the draft, Shakir Coleman,
all these other players that have followed that lead for
me individually going into the playoffs with a younger team,
I would say in twenty thirteen, with the departure of Welker,
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the whole Aaron Hernandez situation, we didn't have a lot
of playmakers. We ended up going to the AFC Championship,
lost to Denver, and yet you almost had this kind
of naive group of guys where we didn't really understand
how big it was. But you looked at the you know,
you looked at the veteran, and you looked at the
tom you looked at the other guys who were really
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stressed out, understanding that we didn't have the firepower we
had to really outplay our play our best match to
win that game. You would you would see that. But
and then with the older teams, you know, you'd feel
that comfort a little more. I mean, by the time
it's twenty sixteen, I was already in my third fourth
Super Bowl. You know, you kind of understand the regimen,
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you understand the routine, you understand the week, the schedule.
I think that does give a team an advantage. With
the Buffalo Bills, I completely forgot what my point was where.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
We're qucial maturity. But I mean Josh has been there. Yeah,
Dawkins has been there, Milana has been there, and Oliver's
been there. I feel like now I feel like three
years ago a little like Baltimore. They're kind of young,
seedier pants and in these big games, you know, just
Spags and Andy Reid could manipulate them more.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
I think they have a I think they what's very
similar to this Buffalo team, which is some kind of
similar to our teams. They have a huge middle class
of players. You know, they got Josh Allen, who's he's
a rich guy, yeah, you know, and then they have
a huge middle class, middle tier kind of contract guy,
and that's that was similar to our team where we
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have these you know, we'd have Tom who was making
his and you had a couple of Gronk and all.
But then you had a big middle class a team
where a lot of guys were really good. They weren't
the greatest, but they were really good. I think that's
what they've done here with this team. You know, you
look at how they hit on Shakir and Coleman, you know,
guys that we went into the season saying they didn't
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have weapons, but this could be their best set of
weapons that they had us four thus far. You know,
they got that Beasley type guy that we all know,
Josh Allen loves and Shakir. You got a red zone
target with Coleman, and you don't have the headaches that
you had with dig So the team's just constructed differently.
Having Milano back is huge. I mean, I think he's
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a difference maker. This defense I believe was designed to
beat the Kansas City Chiefs. You know, if you look
at how they always play in their Nickel personnel, they
always had they have a fast cover linebacker Milano for
a tight end type guy Travis Kelce. So if they
could get past these guys. I mean, I think this
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is ultimately the Super Bowl. Yeah, is the AFC Championship.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
I agree. So, by the way, there's Tom talked about
this on the show that quarterbacks now, it's like they're
manipulating the playbook. They want scramble yards and then they
also want the late hit penalty. Again, as somebody who
was an active mobile quarterback in college, what do you
make of the way you know, Mahomes on the sideline
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push me. Do you think the NFL needs to step
in and go okay guys like the flopping now has
gotten the European soccer level.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Yeah, I think the league will step in. But we
also got to put in our heads that this isn't
nineteen ninety two, This isn't nineteen eighty five, this isn't
nineteen sex this isn't early two thousands football. The game
is completely changed. The rules have changed. So if you
know you're playing against the face of the organ of
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the league, Patrick Mahomes, if you have to think about it,
let it go. That's what Bill used to always say.
And I remember being on the other side seeing a
late hit on Brady or a roughing the passer on Brady.
Where I'm like, Eh, probably wasn't there, but it's Tom Brady.
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He was already had five Super Bowls. You guys got
to understand the situation, now, do I think the league
will probably step in and probably put a delay, a
game penalty or something if you do these kind of things. Possibly,
But for everyone out there, like the game is a
different game. This isn't barbaric football anymore. Like that. As
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much as we can all bitch and complain about it,
I don't know if you could say that here, but
you know that's that's what it is. So you have
to adjust to the rules. I remember Bill always talking
about this, if it's close, don't go get in the
right area. If it's this guy, we know this. This
referee group likes to throw it close here. You gotta
know the situation. So, yeah, it's a terrible call, but
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it ain't going anywhere because these guys make too much money.
You know.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
It's interesting that Bill said that HERM Edwards had and
I discussed this once. He's like, there are certain officiating
crews that call holding. Yeah, and you have to know
as a coach, he's gonna call holding. They don't call
p I so grab you.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Do business as business is being done. I mean, we'd
have a Saturday night meeting, Bill would have what referees
we had that week going forward, and ye'z what they're
you know, their scouting report is these guys are, you know,
top thirty league in holding, defensive holding, these guys are
top three in the league, and you know, offensive holding.
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They let you play boys do businesses being done. We'll
feel it out and then you go all you you
really want from the cruise consistency. So if they're gonna
call it tight, call it tight the whole game.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
So I have made a prediction the last three years.
Three years ago Minnesota, two years ago Rams, this year Denver,
where I take a team that Vegas doesn't think is
very good, and I'm like, they're gonna be good. They're
gonna be a playoff team. So last year I took
the Rams. People laughed at me. Sure I took Denver
and Washington. I picked Washington to make the playoffs. So
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the Patriots, it's.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Prety pmpressive, pretty pressive.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
I'm not I'm not lying.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Let's go all right, let's go, okay, mag what do
you think?
Speaker 1 (12:11):
He laughs at it. But I picked the Patriots. I said,
I'll just give you my early one because my take
is what they need. This draft has a lot of
offensive tackles, uh more punch on the perimeter, wide receivers
that could use it. It's a great running back draft.
And I'm like the division. The Jets don't know what
they're doing at quarterback. Miami's just Miami. I kind of
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you know, Rabel, what will be? Give me the first
two things. Rabel's gonna tell that locker room.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
His personality rapes and alpha and it comes from him
actually going and experiencing the stuff that he alpha's you on.
You know, if he's going to tell you something in
a meeting. I never coach. I never got to play
with him as a coach, but I can only imagine,
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you know, as a friend. Didn't play with them, but
his his legend was so loud throughout my career, Like
what just how he was in the locker room, how
he was in conditioning, how he would bust your balls
all the time because he was giving Max's effort. And
if you didn't, if you didn't mirror his effort in
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the locker room drinking water, we were getting that. You'd
always hear about the old Patriots and and it carried
out through our legacies. You know, I'm drinking more water.
I'm getting the edge on you like him, Willie Mack,
Teddy Bruski, these guys were all accountable. We talk about
the Patriot Way, which you know was the template and
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the blueprint was from the coaches, but it was being
sheriffed by guys like Rabel. The coaches really didn't have
to say anything ran the room. They were and Willie
Mack and Willie Mack, you can't forget him. So you know,
you know it's gonna be a tough, smart football team
because that's the kind of player he was. I honestly
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feel Jira got the short end of the stick of
this whole thing. I do think they're in a better
situation going forward because of the experience with Rabes. But
I do expect him to be a tough team that uh,
you know, that can win close games. I think because
it it's gonna be hard. Practice is gonna be hard.
They are gonna yell at you, they are gonna bitch
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at you. You know, this whole thing where you know
it's gotta be you know, sunshine and rainbows and going
to you know, dairy queen after work like that. Ain't
that ain't gonna happen. That's Mike Lombard. He always talks
about that, but uh, you know that that doesn't happen.
This is a business. This is a what did he
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say in his opening day I heard in his interview,
This is a production business. Whatever you have to do
to get production is what you're gonna have to do.
And I guarantee he's gonna be tough on him, but
he will handle guys that can't take that a different way.
But this team will be a tough, smart football team
that will perform under pressure.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Was the toughest locker room you were ever in where
I mean if the league broke out into a fight,
you're like, we got dudes everywhere.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
It have to be with Mankins and Light and Seymour
and some of these like early my early days, my
later days too, But like Logan Mankins, I mean he
was I saw him just manhandle like three hundred and
forty pound men consistently, and like after practice he would
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be farming his land in Rhode Island like he was
just an absolute beast of a man. And Light like
those guys probably from those earlier patriots that carried over
to mine. It was those guys were tough guys, and
we had a bunch of tough guys, you know, the
Jamie Collins, the Dante Hie Teps.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Brady got soft at the end.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
I think he got I think he actually got tougher,
you know, because he always had to prove his point
that I was, you know, I'm still I'm not that
old guys. You know, he'd always try to be hip
with the young guys.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
He would try to be Yeah, don't we all We
all great seeing you man.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Great to see you guys once again. Everyone go out
and help those those people in La find one of
the organizations. I don't I forget him. The Red Cross
is one, and there is the Coowfire dot Org. I
think that's a huge one. Help these firefighters get the
resources they need to battle these things because this is
this is wild.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Yeah, we're here for you, man. Yeah, we were crossing
our fingers and we're very very fortunate that you got
through that thing. All right, Well, take a break. We
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Speaker 3 (17:56):
All right.
Speaker 5 (17:56):
This was a bit of a surprise.
Speaker 6 (17:58):
But so the Pittsburgh Steelers obviously have a big, big
decision to make a quarterback, and yesterday Russell Wilson said
he loved playing at Pittsburgh it was a special place
for him, and the Steelers and Russ's camp have started
contract discussions.
Speaker 5 (18:14):
This kind of caught me off guard because.
Speaker 6 (18:18):
Everybody knows they had a great start to the season,
but it didn't end particularly well.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
December and January were ugly.
Speaker 6 (18:25):
I'm just curious, where does Russell Wilson land for you
contract wise, because you know he was probably in line
for a Baker Mayfield type deal and by.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
The end of the season happened and.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
You're like, why would we get in?
Speaker 1 (18:37):
No? I listen. I went in skeptical, then I was impressed,
then I was optimistic, and then I sold my stock.
I think at this point he's not Baker Mayfield, who
led the NFL in touchdown passes. The last. I think
since he started, he's led the NFL in touchdown passes
over Mahomes. I think that's right. So Baker and Sam
Darnold are closer to than their prime. So I think, Russell,
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do you give us a fifteen eighteen million one year deal?
War I can make this argument, you just go with
Justin Fields for one more year. You signed Justin to
a smaller two year deal, and you go, you know,
you go into the draft.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
Could you give Russ a Gino Smith type deal?
Speaker 6 (19:17):
It's like twenty five to twenty eight and then there's
a lot of outs potentially for the team.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
I just I don't know what you're getting from Russ
going forward. And let's be rot. Was he the impetus
as to why they were a good team this year?
Speaker 3 (19:28):
No, I don't.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
I just met.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Against elite teams down the stretch. You felt like the
offense was completely limited. I think that's incredibly fair to say.
Of course he wants a deal. I'd want a deal too,
but and I don't think he has much of a market.
Speaker 6 (19:46):
Moving on to Mike McCarthy, still probably the biggest free
agent coach on the market, since he and the Cowboys
parted ways.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
He's had trouble getting to New Orleans because of the snow.
Speaker 6 (19:56):
I mean, I don't know if you've tracked it, but
New Orleans is in a bad shape with this snow.
He is set for an in person interview. McCarthy is
with New Orleans next week. Dolphins defensive coordinator Anthony Weavers
meeting with the Saints Friday, and I guess this is correct.
New York Giants offensive coordinator Mike Kafka, we'll meet with
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them on Saturday. Mike Cafka, Well, I think he's respected.
Speaker 5 (20:25):
I think it's probably best that I just don't say
anything after that. I mean, Anthony Weaver and Mike Caska
like we're again.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
We just saw Chip.
Speaker 6 (20:33):
Kelly and Ryanda steamroll the competition. I know they have
the best players, but those two working together, well, man,
why don't you throw a hell mery and say, hey, guys.
Speaker 5 (20:41):
Both you come in, let me go.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Why not let me ask you are any of these
teams considering Marcus Freeman at Notre Dame.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
I don't think he would consider the Saints, would he.
Speaker 6 (20:51):
It almost feel like a downgrade from Notre Dame, where
the Saints are now talent, whid lack of quarterback.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
Sorry Derek Carr, but yeah, I don't understand me that.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
The NFL group that is left outside of Pete Carroll
and Mike McCarthy is pretty slim.
Speaker 6 (21:07):
Liam Cohen, I think has I think, I think William
I think Liam Cohen is doing a Ben Johnson.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
He's like, I don't like these jobs. I'm gonna wait
a year.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
Well, he wanted Jacksonville and they had Bulky and then
he pulled his name out.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
Liam Cohen and the Raiders might make sense because they
just got.
Speaker 6 (21:25):
To do GM was in Tampa, but yeah it is,
and listen, obviously it's tough when the big names are
off the board. But I think you got to get
creative if you're an owner or GM, and.
Speaker 5 (21:35):
I don't see creativity in Orleans.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Not great.
Speaker 6 (21:37):
Finally, to the NBA, Collins Oho the seventy six ers
fifteen and twenty seven. They are eleventh in the East.
Is a team some people thought could be a finalist
when they got Paul George. I heard some some NBA
guys say they had the best trio in the league
when they got Paul George. They are underwoman, to the
point that Silly is gonna sit down with Joelle and
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at some point and had a conversation about his health.
They are growing concerned. He's frustrated, he's nined.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
He's not a winning player. He is a talented player.
He's Carmelo Anthony or a Russell Westbrook. He is a
Hall of famer. He is a tremendously gifted player. There's
an argument he doesn't elevate others, and isn't I mean,
Russell's playing very well with Denver Russell Westbrook. Sometimes bench
Russell gives you great energy. Embiid gives you great scoring.
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Carmelo gave you great scoring. But when you get expensive
and sometimes brittle or rigid, and you don't want to
do certain things because you've made so much money. This
is not a criticism. Embiid is a Hall of Fame player.
We've been on this when I watched the Olympics and
literally the team was better when he was off the floor.
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There was never a time in Shack's prime when the
Lakers were better when he was off the floor. Maybe
with the last minute and free throws. Embiid to me,
is a hard player to have an offense with because
he needs the ball and too often he has it
in his hands in the perimeter.
Speaker 5 (23:06):
So this is where it gets really ugly.
Speaker 6 (23:08):
So he hasn't placed in January fourth and they're like, oh,
his knee is swelling from what he's not playing.
Speaker 5 (23:14):
I don't get it. And they gave him a new contract.
Speaker 6 (23:16):
Colin Joel Embiid is due in the twenty eight twenty
nine season sixty nine million.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Yeah, I don't get I wouldn't have.
Speaker 6 (23:23):
I don't know if he's gonna be playing next year.
At this rate, he can't be healthy, Colin. This is
really ugly.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Listen, the Clippers gave Kawhi Leonard a new deal. I
didn't get that either. There are contracts in this league.
I mean it's sometimes I watch some of the GMS
in this league. I just don't get it. I don't
understand it. I think mb'd peak two years ago. I
thought he got a gift MVP when he really wasn't charity.
That was the time to move him. You know, I
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know Philadelphia between the Eagles, Bryce Harper and the Phillies,
it's a competitive sports town. But if I'm Josh Harris
and I own that team, and I saw how successful
the Commander's got immediately. The Sixers are at this point
tedious and underperforming, and I think they missed their window
to move people.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
I don't nobody's taking a bed.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
I don't know think Listen, Cleveland is for real. The
Knicks aren't going backwards. I mean, the three best teams
in the East. It's not debated.
Speaker 5 (24:16):
Celtics are loaded.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Celtics, Cavs, Knicks. That's it. I don't everybody else a
little bit of a pretender. Milwaukee's going to be too
old in the playoffs.
Speaker 6 (24:25):
I mean, Paul George goes to Philly. I almost feel
bad for They're not a playoff team right now. Colin
and Tyrese Maxey.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
The idea that they're the championship window, which was brief,
is done.
Speaker 6 (24:38):
No shot, absolutely no none. I don't even know if
they're a play in team. That's like Detroit playing well
with Kate cunning.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
They're eleventh. You said in the East, the bottom of
the East is horrible.
Speaker 6 (24:50):
The only defensive embiid is Listen, these bigger guys. Shack
even had weight issues every offseason. But you know, these
bigger guys as they age, it's never really gracefully, and.
Speaker 5 (25:00):
You just feel bad because embeed for wise.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
For big men hurt early, hurt often. There's almost no
exception big guys that get hurt early. The greg Odin
body tips they get they're hurt, that's just their bodies
not built to carry that weight.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
That's a big loss.
Speaker 6 (25:16):
I mean again, if you're a casual NBA fan, you
look at the East and you see Cleveland Cavaliers.
Speaker 5 (25:20):
No, they're for real up by seven. They're the Celtics
in the East.
Speaker 6 (25:23):
And you look at the West and it's like, ok C, Houston, Memphis,
where are the stars?
Speaker 5 (25:29):
We're the great teams, And it's like.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Why do you get? I think Boston come playoff team
times will be a great team.
Speaker 5 (25:36):
But it feels like a transition. You're in the NBA
a little bit, a little bit.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
We've had haven't we had five different champions in five years?
Aren't we on that run?
Speaker 5 (25:43):
Something like that?
Speaker 1 (25:44):
They'd like the seventies when it was you go back
to the seventies, it was we have to it's six
for six different champions.
Speaker 6 (25:51):
No.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
I mean back in the seventies you went through it
was like Warriors, Bullets, Sonics, Blazers sixers do every year
and by the way I grew up on that they were.
It was so much fun, but it was there was
no great team in the seventh and.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
You need that.
Speaker 5 (26:05):
Now you need a great team. Well, the distraction social
media is streaming.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
I agree you and I agree. It sounds good to
say we've got parody. It doesn't move the needle TV ratings.
People like dynasties like people want special and the Warriors
with KD felt special, like if they were on, you
stopped your remote, you watch them play, even if you're not.
Speaker 5 (26:26):
From this special to you, not yet.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
I think Boston. I would say in May and June
when the playoffs start late April, May and June, if
the Celtics are playing, that feels pretty special.
Speaker 6 (26:37):
As Jason Tatum doing, have you lifted his stat line
cooking with gas my guy, Tatum?
Speaker 1 (26:42):
What's the date? Nobody crushes in January like Jason tatums
j Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
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Speaker 1 (26:54):
Ben Johnson k new Bear's coach stopped by today and
that was great to have him. He has now partnered
with Williams. You know I was thinking about this. So
he had Jared Goff. So the three things that he
had in Detroit he does not have in Chicago. He
does not have a great O line. Uh, he doesn't
have an elite pocket passer to this point, Jared Goff,
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and he doesn't have you know, the culture creator. That'll
have to be him and Dan Campbell. So when you
think of the Lions, I think of culture, O line,
and I mean, I'd be honest with you, run game
than golf. So they don't have any of them. They
have to draft a running back. Good news for them.
It is a great running back draft, and I mean
like fifteen deep. That's good news because they need more
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running back power. It is a very good O line draft.
They need some offensive line help. So they have top
five caps based in the league. To me, they can
show up their O line. I don't know if it's
a left tackle or right center or guard. I think
Chicago's got a make a move, Go buy a better
old line, go draft a better running back room, and
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then you start. Because I Kansas City's done this a
couple of times where they just by the way the
Rams did this and McVeigh they went and bought interior
old lineman. You can fix your O line. Offensive coaches
have a recent history McVeigh, Andy Reid as Sean Payton
in Denver took a mess top ten O line right now,
So Ben's got a chance. He talked about his new
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partnership with Caleb Williams.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
He's got an abundance of talent. I can't wait to
get to work with him.
Speaker 7 (28:36):
But obviously he is a different player and has a
different skill set than Jared did. And I'll be I'll
be excited to see what direction we go. It's gonna morph,
It's not gonna look the same as what it did
in Detroit. At the end of the day, Caleb's gonna
really dictate the direction that this offense goes and what
we end up looking like.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
So the AFC, we know who the big dogs are
at the top at the NFC. Last ten Super Bowl
teams in the NFC all ten different quarterbacks, which is
great if you're the Chicago Bears. It's not driven by Mahomes,
Josh Allen Lamar or Joe Burrow. We put up a
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graphic earlier. If you look at the last ten quarterbacks
that have gotten to the Super Bowl, from the NFC.
It's ten different Cats, so that is great news Jalen Hurts.
I think it would be the second time for him,
but you know, it's great news for Chicago because it's
wide open. J Mack did not like the fact that
I did not put Jalen Hurtz into my top ten
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players in the NFC Championship. I had Hurts around eleven,
Dallas Goddard number eleven, one of those corners. It's hard
to argue because Philadelphia has so many elite players. I mean,
they've got at least four elite line What do I
do with Zach Bond, who's up for Defensive Player of
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the Year. I put him five.
Speaker 5 (30:02):
He's awesome.
Speaker 6 (30:03):
I think he was maybe the best free agent move
in the entire league. He's been phenomenal. But again, it's
just the idea of Landon Dickerson is a terrific player,
grades out.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
All he's one of them. He's the best guard in
the league.
Speaker 6 (30:13):
The idea that he's a better player than Jalen Hurts
is a little.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
I don't think Jalen Hurts is close to a top
ten quarterback as a as a pocket passer, he's bottom twelve.
Speaker 5 (30:27):
I think as a PA the top ten quarterback Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
I mean literally, we had Greg Cosel on today and
I asked him about Hurts to Jaden Daniels. He goes, no, No,
Jayden's a much better pocket passer. Yes, I would agree,
and we don't put Jayden in the elite four or
five classes pocket passers. I don't think Jalen Hurts from
a pocket.
Speaker 6 (30:49):
Can you imagine if he gets a second receiver. I
mean he's throwing to Diami Brown And you know if.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Mclaurin's they have the most cap space, yeah, Washington's in
or is that New England has the most Washington's got
a ton.
Speaker 5 (31:03):
But this just feels a little negative on Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Maybe nice and injury?
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Well yeah, I mean you're I'm telling you Washington has
the third most cast space. I like Jalen Hurts. Bobby
Wagner is Washington's tackle machiness.
Speaker 5 (31:18):
Thirty five years thirty four to thirty five years old.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Come on, how do you explain the Eagles getting better?
When they asked Hurts to throw less?
Speaker 5 (31:26):
Yes, no, that's very fair. Earlier the season, he.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Was, Hey, listen, j Max, please talk less if our
ratings doubled, you'd be in trouble. I wouldn't put you,
I would put you below wry In in our top ten. Left.
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
Well, we're gonna have him on about a week ago,
and we're just happy to say Julian Edelman and his
family is safe and his house is safe. You were
in the crosshairs of that thing. I was for two days.
I was basically watching the neighborhood you were in because
I've got several friends there and there was a lot
of finger crossing and texting. But anxious time for you
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and your family.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Yeah, definitely a little anxious. You. First off, you gotta
thank the people that are out there battling it, the
first responders amazing, the firefighters, the National Guard and the
police for helping with these looters. I mean, this is
like a movie. It is like a movie. Last week
when it was Wednesday and the sunset fire came and
(01:05):
we're dealing with the Pala States fire. I mean it's
I'm so lucky that nothing has happened to my house
and my family, but there's so many people in this
community that can't say that. And it's been really you know,
I was in Boston during the bombings of you know,
that marathon bombing, and you saw the tight group of
(01:27):
people come together to you know, try to put that
whole thing down when when the guy was still free.
I've seen so many people in this community. This is
my first time really living here, helping people, people from
you know, out of la coming here. I've seen firefighters
from everywhere in the country, other parts of the world.
(01:47):
I mean, it's been really cool to see people helping people. So,
you know, everyone out there, go donate to one of
the big three. I think there's a cowfire dot Org. Yeh,
there's the Red Cross. Because there's a lot of people
that aren't as lucky, and it's sad. I mean, we
just went to soccer practice last night. Three kids on
my daughter's soccer team lost their home. So it's nuts,
(02:11):
you know, so but thankfully we got football to distract
distract us.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
I want to ask about I mean, you played quarterback,
you know the position, you know the complexities jade and Daniels.
I don't think I'm being I'm reaching saying, yeah, that's
the best rookie quarterback I've ever seen. I don't even
understand his ability. He is so poised in these late
game drives. Is that what impresses you?
Speaker 3 (02:40):
That's exactly what impresses me. I mean, we were saying
last year C. J. Stroud had probably the best quarterback
rookie season we've ever seen because of the same thing.
But Jaden and Daniels has continued this thing into the playoffs,
and it's very evident on situational plays like third down
(03:02):
last week, fourth down a few times where they convert
where he's getting blitz, where he still stays within the
scheme and doesn't rush his progression. I mean he's beaten
blitz zero a handful of times. I can't put it
all that is blit Zero's all out blitz where you
have one guy unblocked and you have to get the
(03:22):
ball out. It's the play that sent Lamar Jackson home
twice the last two years. That's what Spagnolo has been
sending him every time they're in that fourth or third down. Yea,
and they haven't been had they haven't had an answer.
Jade Daniels beat that thing like consistently this year. That's
what's impressive. That's like not just rookie quarterback stuff. That's
(03:43):
pro quarter like veteran quarterback execution. He's been doing it
at a high level. You know he's gonna have a
huge test this week. But that calm, cool, collectness and
how gotta have it type situations are what it really impressed.
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Speaker 1 (04:09):
Can Philadelphia run their way to the Lombardi Trophy?
Speaker 3 (04:16):
They can run their way to the trophy. I don't
think they can get the trophy just running it though.
This week I think they should be able to beat
the Washington Commanders. Now, Jane Daniels is a he's a joker,
but he's a joker in the play defense. He doesn't
play defense. So this team, pound for pound, should win
this game and run their way into the super Bowl.
(04:38):
But once you get there and you're either gonna play
you know Spagnolo and the Chiefs who can stop the run,
who know who have been in this situation where they've
played a run heavy team in the Super Bowl, like,
it's gonna be a different thing. You're gonna have to
come up with some situational throws that you're gonna have
to be able to execute on. And if you play
against the Bills, god forbid you, you know, jump out
(04:59):
and not have a lead and let these guys go
out and put it on you where they have to
get into their drop back pass game, which we've seen
over the last few weeks hasn't been there. So I
think they could run their way into the Super Bowl.
I don't think you could run your way to win
a Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Buffalo has matured as a team. You can't sack them,
no penalties, don't turn it over. Baltimore's not there yet.
Buffalo has matured. Now when I look at your career
and I think, well, you guys were always mature. But
when you were younger with the Lady Aaron Hernandez or Gronk,
there were times where you were young, you know, and
I don't. I can't line up every year and who
(05:36):
you exactly played with off the top of my head.
But even in New England's ecosystem, there were older teams,
there were younger teams. Take me to your playoff history
that did you like some young guys or were there
times that you went into big games and you're like,
I'm glad we got older dudes. I mean, Buffalo's matured.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Though they're matured at the right spots. I was older
you got, and that's what you have. You have cornerstone
players and then they have a whole lot of young
guys that they've hit on in the draft, Shakir Coleman,
all these other players that have followed that lead for
me individually going into the playoffs with a younger team,
I would say in twenty thirteen, with the departure of Welker,
(06:20):
the whole Aaron Hernandez situation, we didn't have a lot
of playmakers. We ended up going to the AFC Championship,
lost to Denver, and yet you almost had this kind
of naive group of guys where we didn't really understand
how big it was. But you looked at the you know,
you looked at the veteran, and you looked at the
tom you looked at the other guys who were really
(06:42):
stressed out, understanding that we didn't have the firepower we
had to really outplay our play our best match to
win that game. You would you would see that. But
and then with the older teams, you know, you'd feel
that comfort a little more. I mean, by the time
it's twenty sixteen, I was already in my third fourth
Super Bowl. You know, you kind of understand the regimen,
(07:05):
you understand the routine, you understand the week, the schedule.
I think that does give a team an advantage. With
the Buffalo Bills, I completely forgot what my point was where.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
We're qucial maturity. But I mean Josh has been there. Yeah,
Dawkins has been there, Milana has been there, and Oliver's
been there. I feel like now I feel like three
years ago a little like Baltimore. They're kind of young,
seedier pants and in these big games, you know, just
Spags and Andy Reid could manipulate them more.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
I think they have a I think they what's very
similar to this Buffalo team, which is some kind of
similar to our teams. They have a huge middle class
of players. You know, they got Josh Allen, who's he's
a rich guy, yeah, you know, and then they have
a huge middle class, middle tier kind of contract guy,
and that's that was similar to our team where we
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have these you know, we'd have Tom who was making
his and you had a couple of Gronk and all.
But then you had a big middle class a team
where a lot of guys were really good. They weren't
the greatest, but they were really good. I think that's
what they've done here with this team. You know, you
look at how they hit on Shakir and Coleman, you know,
guys that we went into the season saying they didn't
(08:17):
have weapons, but this could be their best set of
weapons that they had us four thus far. You know,
they got that Beasley type guy that we all know,
Josh Allen loves and Shakir. You got a red zone
target with Coleman, and you don't have the headaches that
you had with dig So the team's just constructed differently.
Having Milano back is huge. I mean, I think he's
(08:37):
a difference maker. This defense I believe was designed to
beat the Kansas City Chiefs. You know, if you look
at how they always play in their Nickel personnel, they
always had they have a fast cover linebacker Milano for
a tight end type guy Travis Kelce. So if they
could get past these guys. I mean, I think this
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is ultimately the Super Bowl. Yeah, is the AFC Championship.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
I agree. So, by the way, there's Tom talked about
this on the show that quarterbacks now, it's like they're
manipulating the playbook. They want scramble yards and then they
also want the late hit penalty. Again, as somebody who
was an active mobile quarterback in college, what do you
make of the way you know, Mahomes on the sideline
(09:23):
push me. Do you think the NFL needs to step
in and go okay guys like the flopping now has
gotten the European soccer level.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Yeah, I think the league will step in. But we
also got to put in our heads that this isn't
nineteen ninety two, This isn't nineteen eighty five, this isn't
nineteen sex this isn't early two thousands football. The game
is completely changed. The rules have changed. So if you
know you're playing against the face of the organ of
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the league, Patrick Mahomes, if you have to think about it,
let it go. That's what Bill used to always say.
And I remember being on the other side seeing a
late hit on Brady or a roughing the passer on Brady.
Where I'm like, Eh, probably wasn't there, but it's Tom Brady.
(10:13):
He was already had five Super Bowls. You guys got
to understand the situation, now, do I think the league
will probably step in and probably put a delay, a
game penalty or something if you do these kind of things. Possibly,
But for everyone out there, like the game is a
different game. This isn't barbaric football anymore. Like that. As
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much as we can all bitch and complain about it,
I don't know if you could say that here, but
you know that's that's what it is. So you have
to adjust to the rules. I remember Bill always talking
about this, if it's close, don't go get in the
right area. If it's this guy, we know this. This
referee group likes to throw it close here. You gotta
know the situation. So, yeah, it's a terrible call, but
(10:57):
it ain't going anywhere because these guys make too much money.
You know.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
It's interesting that Bill said that HERM Edwards had and
I discussed this once. He's like, there are certain officiating
crews that call holding. Yeah, and you have to know
as a coach, he's gonna call holding. They don't call
p I so grab you.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Do business as business is being done. I mean, we'd
have a Saturday night meeting, Bill would have what referees
we had that week going forward, and ye'z what they're
you know, their scouting report is these guys are, you know,
top thirty league in holding, defensive holding, these guys are
top three in the league, and you know, offensive holding.
(11:33):
They let you play boys do businesses being done. We'll
feel it out and then you go all you you
really want from the cruise consistency. So if they're gonna
call it tight, call it tight the whole game.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
So I have made a prediction the last three years.
Three years ago Minnesota, two years ago Rams, this year Denver,
where I take a team that Vegas doesn't think is
very good, and I'm like, they're gonna be good. They're
gonna be a playoff team. So last year I took
the Rams. People laughed at me. Sure I took Denver
and Washington. I picked Washington to make the playoffs. So
(12:03):
the Patriots, it's.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Prety pmpressive, pretty pressive.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
I'm not I'm not lying.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Let's go all right, let's go, okay, mag what do
you think?
Speaker 1 (12:11):
He laughs at it. But I picked the Patriots. I said,
I'll just give you my early one because my take
is what they need. This draft has a lot of
offensive tackles, uh more punch on the perimeter, wide receivers
that could use it. It's a great running back draft.
And I'm like the division. The Jets don't know what
they're doing at quarterback. Miami's just Miami. I kind of
(12:35):
you know, Rabel, what will be? Give me the first
two things. Rabel's gonna tell that locker room.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
His personality rapes and alpha and it comes from him
actually going and experiencing the stuff that he alpha's you on.
You know, if he's going to tell you something in
a meeting. I never coach. I never got to play
with him as a coach, but I can only imagine,
(13:04):
you know, as a friend. Didn't play with them, but
his his legend was so loud throughout my career, Like
what just how he was in the locker room, how
he was in conditioning, how he would bust your balls
all the time because he was giving Max's effort. And
if you didn't, if you didn't mirror his effort in
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the locker room drinking water, we were getting that. You'd
always hear about the old Patriots and and it carried
out through our legacies. You know, I'm drinking more water.
I'm getting the edge on you like him, Willie Mack,
Teddy Bruski, these guys were all accountable. We talk about
the Patriot Way, which you know was the template and
(13:46):
the blueprint was from the coaches, but it was being
sheriffed by guys like Rabel. The coaches really didn't have
to say anything ran the room. They were and Willie
Mack and Willie Mack, you can't forget him. So you know,
you know it's gonna be a tough, smart football team
because that's the kind of player he was. I honestly
(14:07):
feel Jira got the short end of the stick of
this whole thing. I do think they're in a better
situation going forward because of the experience with Rabes. But
I do expect him to be a tough team that uh,
you know, that can win close games. I think because
it it's gonna be hard. Practice is gonna be hard.
They are gonna yell at you, they are gonna bitch
(14:27):
at you. You know, this whole thing where you know
it's gotta be you know, sunshine and rainbows and going
to you know, dairy queen after work like that. Ain't
that ain't gonna happen. That's Mike Lombard. He always talks
about that, but uh, you know that that doesn't happen.
This is a business. This is a what did he
(14:48):
say in his opening day I heard in his interview,
This is a production business. Whatever you have to do
to get production is what you're gonna have to do.
And I guarantee he's gonna be tough on him, but
he will handle guys that can't take that a different way.
But this team will be a tough, smart football team
that will perform under pressure.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Was the toughest locker room you were ever in where
I mean if the league broke out into a fight,
you're like, we got dudes everywhere.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
It have to be with Mankins and Light and Seymour
and some of these like early my early days, my
later days too, But like Logan Mankins, I mean he
was I saw him just manhandle like three hundred and
forty pound men consistently, and like after practice he would
(15:39):
be farming his land in Rhode Island like he was
just an absolute beast of a man. And Light like
those guys probably from those earlier patriots that carried over
to mine. It was those guys were tough guys, and
we had a bunch of tough guys, you know, the
Jamie Collins, the Dante Hie Teps.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Brady got soft at the end.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
I think he got I think he actually got tougher,
you know, because he always had to prove his point
that I was, you know, I'm still I'm not that
old guys. You know, he'd always try to be hip
with the young guys.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
He would try to be Yeah, don't we all We
all great seeing you man.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Great to see you guys once again. Everyone go out
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resources they need to battle these things because this is
this is wild.
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Speaker 5 (17:56):
This was a bit of a surprise.
Speaker 6 (17:58):
But so the Pittsburgh Steelers obviously have a big, big
decision to make a quarterback, and yesterday Russell Wilson said
he loved playing at Pittsburgh it was a special place
for him, and the Steelers and Russ's camp have started
contract discussions.
Speaker 5 (18:14):
This kind of caught me off guard because.
Speaker 6 (18:18):
Everybody knows they had a great start to the season,
but it didn't end particularly well.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
December and January were ugly.
Speaker 6 (18:25):
I'm just curious, where does Russell Wilson land for you
contract wise, because you know he was probably in line
for a Baker Mayfield type deal and by.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
The end of the season happened and.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
You're like, why would we get in?
Speaker 1 (18:37):
No? I listen. I went in skeptical, then I was impressed,
then I was optimistic, and then I sold my stock.
I think at this point he's not Baker Mayfield, who
led the NFL in touchdown passes. The last. I think
since he started, he's led the NFL in touchdown passes
over Mahomes. I think that's right. So Baker and Sam
Darnold are closer to than their prime. So I think, Russell,
(18:59):
do you give us a fifteen eighteen million one year deal?
War I can make this argument, you just go with
Justin Fields for one more year. You signed Justin to
a smaller two year deal, and you go, you know,
you go into the draft.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
Could you give Russ a Gino Smith type deal?
Speaker 6 (19:17):
It's like twenty five to twenty eight and then there's
a lot of outs potentially for the team.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
I just I don't know what you're getting from Russ
going forward. And let's be rot. Was he the impetus
as to why they were a good team this year?
Speaker 3 (19:28):
No, I don't.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
I just met.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Against elite teams down the stretch. You felt like the
offense was completely limited. I think that's incredibly fair to say.
Of course he wants a deal. I'd want a deal too,
but and I don't think he has much of a market.
Speaker 6 (19:46):
Moving on to Mike McCarthy, still probably the biggest free
agent coach on the market, since he and the Cowboys
parted ways.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
He's had trouble getting to New Orleans because of the snow.
Speaker 6 (19:56):
I mean, I don't know if you've tracked it, but
New Orleans is in a bad shape with this snow.
He is set for an in person interview. McCarthy is
with New Orleans next week. Dolphins defensive coordinator Anthony Weavers
meeting with the Saints Friday, and I guess this is correct.
New York Giants offensive coordinator Mike Kafka, we'll meet with
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them on Saturday. Mike Cafka, Well, I think he's respected.
Speaker 5 (20:25):
I think it's probably best that I just don't say
anything after that. I mean, Anthony Weaver and Mike Caska
like we're again.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
We just saw Chip.
Speaker 6 (20:33):
Kelly and Ryanda steamroll the competition. I know they have
the best players, but those two working together, well, man,
why don't you throw a hell mery and say, hey, guys.
Speaker 5 (20:41):
Both you come in, let me go.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Why not let me ask you are any of these
teams considering Marcus Freeman at Notre Dame.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
I don't think he would consider the Saints, would he.
Speaker 6 (20:51):
It almost feel like a downgrade from Notre Dame, where
the Saints are now talent, whid lack of quarterback.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
Sorry Derek Carr, but yeah, I don't understand me that.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
The NFL group that is left outside of Pete Carroll
and Mike McCarthy is pretty slim.
Speaker 6 (21:07):
Liam Cohen, I think has I think, I think William
I think Liam Cohen is doing a Ben Johnson.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
He's like, I don't like these jobs. I'm gonna wait
a year.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
Well, he wanted Jacksonville and they had Bulky and then
he pulled his name out.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
Liam Cohen and the Raiders might make sense because they
just got.
Speaker 6 (21:25):
To do GM was in Tampa, but yeah it is,
and listen, obviously it's tough when the big names are
off the board. But I think you got to get
creative if you're an owner or GM, and.
Speaker 5 (21:35):
I don't see creativity in Orleans.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Not great.
Speaker 6 (21:37):
Finally, to the NBA, Collins Oho the seventy six ers
fifteen and twenty seven. They are eleventh in the East.
Is a team some people thought could be a finalist
when they got Paul George. I heard some some NBA
guys say they had the best trio in the league
when they got Paul George. They are underwoman, to the
point that Silly is gonna sit down with Joelle and
(22:00):
at some point and had a conversation about his health.
They are growing concerned. He's frustrated, he's nined.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
He's not a winning player. He is a talented player.
He's Carmelo Anthony or a Russell Westbrook. He is a
Hall of famer. He is a tremendously gifted player. There's
an argument he doesn't elevate others, and isn't I mean,
Russell's playing very well with Denver Russell Westbrook. Sometimes bench
Russell gives you great energy. Embiid gives you great scoring.
(22:29):
Carmelo gave you great scoring. But when you get expensive
and sometimes brittle or rigid, and you don't want to
do certain things because you've made so much money. This
is not a criticism. Embiid is a Hall of Fame player.
We've been on this when I watched the Olympics and
literally the team was better when he was off the floor.
(22:50):
There was never a time in Shack's prime when the
Lakers were better when he was off the floor. Maybe
with the last minute and free throws. Embiid to me,
is a hard player to have an offense with because
he needs the ball and too often he has it
in his hands in the perimeter.
Speaker 5 (23:06):
So this is where it gets really ugly.
Speaker 6 (23:08):
So he hasn't placed in January fourth and they're like, oh,
his knee is swelling from what he's not playing.
Speaker 5 (23:14):
I don't get it. And they gave him a new contract.
Speaker 6 (23:16):
Colin Joel Embiid is due in the twenty eight twenty
nine season sixty nine million.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Yeah, I don't get I wouldn't have.
Speaker 6 (23:23):
I don't know if he's gonna be playing next year.
At this rate, he can't be healthy, Colin. This is
really ugly.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Listen, the Clippers gave Kawhi Leonard a new deal. I
didn't get that either. There are contracts in this league.
I mean it's sometimes I watch some of the GMS
in this league. I just don't get it. I don't
understand it. I think mb'd peak two years ago. I
thought he got a gift MVP when he really wasn't charity.
That was the time to move him. You know, I
(23:49):
know Philadelphia between the Eagles, Bryce Harper and the Phillies,
it's a competitive sports town. But if I'm Josh Harris
and I own that team, and I saw how successful
the Commander's got immediately. The Sixers are at this point
tedious and underperforming, and I think they missed their window
to move people.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
I don't nobody's taking a bed.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
I don't know think Listen, Cleveland is for real. The
Knicks aren't going backwards. I mean, the three best teams
in the East. It's not debated.
Speaker 5 (24:16):
Celtics are loaded.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Celtics, Cavs, Knicks. That's it. I don't everybody else a
little bit of a pretender. Milwaukee's going to be too
old in the playoffs.
Speaker 6 (24:25):
I mean, Paul George goes to Philly. I almost feel
bad for They're not a playoff team right now. Colin
and Tyrese Maxey.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
The idea that they're the championship window, which was brief,
is done.
Speaker 6 (24:38):
No shot, absolutely no none. I don't even know if
they're a play in team. That's like Detroit playing well
with Kate cunning.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
They're eleventh. You said in the East, the bottom of
the East is horrible.
Speaker 6 (24:50):
The only defensive embiid is Listen, these bigger guys. Shack
even had weight issues every offseason. But you know, these
bigger guys as they age, it's never really gracefully, and.
Speaker 5 (25:00):
You just feel bad because embeed for wise.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
For big men hurt early, hurt often. There's almost no
exception big guys that get hurt early. The greg Odin
body tips they get they're hurt, that's just their bodies
not built to carry that weight.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
That's a big loss.
Speaker 6 (25:16):
I mean again, if you're a casual NBA fan, you
look at the East and you see Cleveland Cavaliers.
Speaker 5 (25:20):
No, they're for real up by seven. They're the Celtics
in the East.
Speaker 6 (25:23):
And you look at the West and it's like, ok C, Houston, Memphis,
where are the stars?
Speaker 5 (25:29):
We're the great teams, And it's like.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Why do you get? I think Boston come playoff team
times will be a great team.
Speaker 5 (25:36):
But it feels like a transition. You're in the NBA
a little bit, a little bit.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
We've had haven't we had five different champions in five years?
Aren't we on that run?
Speaker 5 (25:43):
Something like that?
Speaker 1 (25:44):
They'd like the seventies when it was you go back
to the seventies, it was we have to it's six
for six different champions.
Speaker 6 (25:51):
No.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
I mean back in the seventies you went through it
was like Warriors, Bullets, Sonics, Blazers sixers do every year
and by the way I grew up on that they were.
It was so much fun, but it was there was
no great team in the seventh and.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
You need that.
Speaker 5 (26:05):
Now you need a great team. Well, the distraction social
media is streaming.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
I agree you and I agree. It sounds good to
say we've got parody. It doesn't move the needle TV ratings.
People like dynasties like people want special and the Warriors
with KD felt special, like if they were on, you
stopped your remote, you watch them play, even if you're not.
Speaker 5 (26:26):
From this special to you, not yet.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
I think Boston. I would say in May and June
when the playoffs start late April, May and June, if
the Celtics are playing, that feels pretty special.
Speaker 6 (26:37):
As Jason Tatum doing, have you lifted his stat line
cooking with gas my guy, Tatum?
Speaker 1 (26:42):
What's the date? Nobody crushes in January like Jason tatums
j Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Ben Johnson k new Bear's coach stopped by today and
that was great to have him. He has now partnered
with Williams. You know I was thinking about this. So
he had Jared Goff. So the three things that he
had in Detroit he does not have in Chicago. He
does not have a great O line. Uh, he doesn't
have an elite pocket passer to this point, Jared Goff,
(27:19):
and he doesn't have you know, the culture creator. That'll
have to be him and Dan Campbell. So when you
think of the Lions, I think of culture, O line,
and I mean, I'd be honest with you, run game
than golf. So they don't have any of them. They
have to draft a running back. Good news for them.
It is a great running back draft, and I mean
like fifteen deep. That's good news because they need more
(27:42):
running back power. It is a very good O line draft.
They need some offensive line help. So they have top
five caps based in the league. To me, they can
show up their O line. I don't know if it's
a left tackle or right center or guard. I think
Chicago's got a make a move, Go buy a better
old line, go draft a better running back room, and
(28:07):
then you start. Because I Kansas City's done this a
couple of times where they just by the way the
Rams did this and McVeigh they went and bought interior
old lineman. You can fix your O line. Offensive coaches
have a recent history McVeigh, Andy Reid as Sean Payton
in Denver took a mess top ten O line right now,
So Ben's got a chance. He talked about his new
(28:30):
partnership with Caleb Williams.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
He's got an abundance of talent. I can't wait to
get to work with him.
Speaker 7 (28:36):
But obviously he is a different player and has a
different skill set than Jared did. And I'll be I'll
be excited to see what direction we go. It's gonna morph,
It's not gonna look the same as what it did
in Detroit. At the end of the day, Caleb's gonna
really dictate the direction that this offense goes and what
we end up looking like.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
So the AFC, we know who the big dogs are
at the top at the NFC. Last ten Super Bowl
teams in the NFC all ten different quarterbacks, which is
great if you're the Chicago Bears. It's not driven by Mahomes,
Josh Allen Lamar or Joe Burrow. We put up a
(29:17):
graphic earlier. If you look at the last ten quarterbacks
that have gotten to the Super Bowl, from the NFC.
It's ten different Cats, so that is great news Jalen Hurts.
I think it would be the second time for him,
but you know, it's great news for Chicago because it's
wide open. J Mack did not like the fact that
I did not put Jalen Hurtz into my top ten
(29:39):
players in the NFC Championship. I had Hurts around eleven,
Dallas Goddard number eleven, one of those corners. It's hard
to argue because Philadelphia has so many elite players. I mean,
they've got at least four elite line What do I
do with Zach Bond, who's up for Defensive Player of
(30:01):
the Year. I put him five.
Speaker 5 (30:02):
He's awesome.
Speaker 6 (30:03):
I think he was maybe the best free agent move
in the entire league. He's been phenomenal. But again, it's
just the idea of Landon Dickerson is a terrific player,
grades out.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
All he's one of them. He's the best guard in
the league.
Speaker 6 (30:13):
The idea that he's a better player than Jalen Hurts
is a little.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
I don't think Jalen Hurts is close to a top
ten quarterback as a as a pocket passer, he's bottom twelve.
Speaker 5 (30:27):
I think as a PA the top ten quarterback Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
I mean literally, we had Greg Cosel on today and
I asked him about Hurts to Jaden Daniels. He goes, no, No,
Jayden's a much better pocket passer. Yes, I would agree,
and we don't put Jayden in the elite four or
five classes pocket passers. I don't think Jalen Hurts from
a pocket.
Speaker 6 (30:49):
Can you imagine if he gets a second receiver. I
mean he's throwing to Diami Brown And you know if.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Mclaurin's they have the most cap space, yeah, Washington's in
or is that New England has the most Washington's got
a ton.
Speaker 5 (31:03):
But this just feels a little negative on Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Maybe nice and injury?
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Well yeah, I mean you're I'm telling you Washington has
the third most cast space. I like Jalen Hurts. Bobby
Wagner is Washington's tackle machiness.
Speaker 5 (31:18):
Thirty five years thirty four to thirty five years old.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Come on, how do you explain the Eagles getting better?
When they asked Hurts to throw less?
Speaker 5 (31:26):
Yes, no, that's very fair. Earlier the season, he.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Was, Hey, listen, j Max, please talk less if our
ratings doubled, you'd be in trouble. I wouldn't put you,
I would put you below wry In in our top ten. Left.
I'm sorry,
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