December 6, 2024 • 29 mins
Fox Sports college football analyst Urban Meyer joins the show to address rumors about his return to Ohio State to replace head coach Ryan Day following their shocking loss to unranked Michigan
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
One of the great college football coaches of all time,
Urban Meyer, three national championships, two at Florida one with
the Buckeyes' now part of the big noon kickoff. All right,
so let's go back and address the Ohio state stuff.
So there's two schools of thought. First of all, when
you come in as a heavy favorite, you can be
a little cautious, perhaps as a coach. Maybe that was
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Ryan Day. There's the other argument that Will Howard was
not on his game and he looked at that Michigan
offense and said, you know what, we're gonna win this
thing seventeen to ten. It's just we're gonna get out
of this thing. We don't want to we don't want
to play around here. Can you tell me when you
watched it, do you think Will Howard and Will Howard's
been a bit hot and cold for my taste, but
he's talent kid. It was part of this Ryan Day
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changing a game plan in game when he wasn't real
confident in his quarterback after early mistakes.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
You know, I watched this thing a couple of times
because I'm on the Big Ten Network on Sundays, and
I was there and I really couldn't believe what I
watched in person. And I spoke to Ryan Day this week,
and you know, I's We've all been there. As a coach.
You're there on the sideline, your defense is playing phenomenal,
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the opponent is really struggling. You throw a turnover early
in the game and give him a freebie, you know,
and you maybe lose a little confidence in your quarterback.
Was a little bit of blustering wind out there. Yeah,
you know, I could come up with all kinds of
different reasons, but we've all been there, and I'm sure
if coach Day and then Chip Kelly had another opportunity,
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they probably made do a little thing, a bunch a
few things differently.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
When you had a devastating loss in your career, it's agonizing.
How do you attack it as a coach?
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Well, I'm the poster shout on how not to handle it.
I'd lose. Shoot, I couldn't eat, couldn't sleep for months
after that. Here's the problem when you lose that game
to the wolve Rains. You know, in the old days,
you went to bad Bowl game and you got pissed
off and you just started working again for next year.
Ohigo States in the in the hunt. They're still one
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of the top teams. It's not the most talented team
in the country. They've got playoffs. They got this going,
So you got to rinse and repeat. Man, you got
to go. You got to not worry about it. I
talked to coach Day about it and he said absolutely.
And players are more resilient than coaches. Players. You know,
you go out and practice a couple of times. You know,
they got their careers to think about, they got their
performance to and they got the reality of playoff team
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coming up. So you just got to move on. You know,
it's much different era with this playoff than it was
in the old day when you lost a game like that,
because you had to you know, you had to eat
that thing for a whole year. You don't it's over,
move on to the next one.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Yeah. I still think the three best teams I've seen
are Ohio State, Texas, and Oregon. Oregon plays this week
tomorrow against Penn State. When I see Oregon, I don't
quite see Texas Ohio State athletes close. What I see
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is speed and coaching. How would you? I mean, it's
they they spread you out. They got California speed everywhere.
When you look at Oregon, what would terrify you as
a defensive coach or a coaching staff facing Oregon if
you're Penn State this week?
Speaker 3 (03:47):
I think they're the fastest team in the country. And
I don't talk about forty yard times. I talk about
the way they play and defensively, they had ten sacks
last week against Washington and tash to the point of
the decordinator's phenomenal, he used to be on my staff.
I love that dude. He's and they play like him.
He's a nut, you know, he's intense, He's just everything's
full speed. They play like that on defense, on offense.
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I mean, they're legit, legit, you know. And I didn't
know that. I went out and saw them in spring
practice and I thought probably a lot like you did.
I don't exactly see ohiose Date or Georgia or Texas.
But I'm watching them now and they are the right.
They are the number one team in the country. They
play faster than anyone else in the country.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Yeah, they're really fun to watch. I've been so lucky
through the years to get a cover and they're so
much fun to watch. Texas. I've always said this, there's
three glamour programs in college football, Miami and Coral Gables
USC in Texas, and it offers their own challenges. Now
when they win, the media goes gaga and it's you
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turn on any sports network. It's all we're talking about.
But there's a lot of distractions in La Coral Gables
in Austin, And I always feel even with the good
Texas teams and SC teams, you know, they're they're got
a lot of things to do on a Thursday night.
Do you worry about that with Texas? You know, in Columbus,
once the weather turns, I mean, kids can get in trouble.
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But you know what I mean. Austin at seventy two
degrees go down to sixth Street. Is Texas different this year?
Are they focused? Do they have a northern ideology? A tough,
physical ideology, pay attention, and don't get loose.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
I think so I picked him last year. You know,
I coach Sark. We did a game and he invited
us to watch them practice, and that was the closest
thing I've ever seen to our two thousand and eight
Florida team, you know, the big fIF defense alignment and
then elongated skill guys and NFL draft picks all over
the field. We watched them practice. Excellent coaching staff, very disciplined.
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So I actually picked them last year, and I'm you know,
I think they're going to be right there this year.
They got they got a reprieve. Man, they got a
lifeline when they got their butts kicked by Georgia, and
they've been playing great ever since. You know, I know
when your has got all injury, they're deal with now.
But I think they're locked and loaded. Here's what about Georgia,
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Dot Mary All due respect to Georgia, I've never what
they're getting ready to walk into a Mercedes Benz Stadium
and I coached in a couple of three SEC championship games, Colin,
I think it's bigger than the National Championship when I
was there. Whoever won that SEC championship, was going to
win the national title. That's how good the conference was.
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And the atmosphere Georgia is going to be like a
home field advantage. I know Texas they I've heard they
gave back a lot of the tickets. This is going
to be an inferno that Texas walks into. And if
Texas can, the key is And I'm just if I'm
giving a pregame speech, Get first downs, that's it. Don't
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worry about winning the game. Get first downs and calm
the environment down. That's how you now do not turn
the ball over. No sacks. But that all due respect
to Texas has been in some big games. I'm not
sure they've been in one like this one.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Yeah, SEC is different. By the way, you know, all
the recruiting, So you were at Bowling Green recruiting two
and three star guys, and you go to Utah get
a little better player. Then you go to Florida and
you get in Ohio State. How does Ashton genty how
does he end up at Boise State, that's where you are.
How in the world does that kid get missed by
all the buck guys and Wolverines and Notre Dame and USC's.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Well, I go back to like Joe Burrow was fairly unrecruited,
so a lot of these cats are just underdeveloped when
coming out of high school. What's even more amazing is
Ashton Genty stuck with his team last year. I'm sure
he could have made seven figures or more at some
other school. And he is legit. His lower body is powerful.
I can't wait. I can't wait to see him play.
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And I was one of those naysayers, and I'm like, Okay,
he's playing in a conference. You know that. You know,
could he do that against the big boys? And he
certainly did against Oregon. He almost had two hundred yards rushing.
So this kid is legit. I can't wait to see
him tonight we're here. I can't wait to see him.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Okay, finally, you know Belichick, I said earlier, Belichick groveling
to eighteen year old give me a break. I'm like,
this isn't gonna work.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
He does it.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
He's not a college coach, right.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
I got to know him so well as of Florida
and we became very good friends. And I'm like you,
I'm like, I just don't know. I mean, for coach
Belichick to be sitting in his office in an eight
and this is what's going on now, because I have
many friends obviously in the business, and an agent shows
up at your office and or high school recruit and
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they start demanding money from you, and I'm I'm just
I've known Coach Belichick a long time. I couldn't do it.
I couldn't do that. I'd have to say, get out,
get out of the office. You know, let's get better grades.
Let's you know, take care of yourself a little better
and perform a little better, and let's have a chat.
So God bless him. He's seventy. I think he's seventy
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years old or something, and he still wants to keep going,
So God bless him. Man, if he wants to do it.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Are you ever going to coach again? You could coach.
You have good energy.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
I love what I'm doing.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
No, I don't.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
I don't see me coaching again. I got a life
to live. I didn't know this life was out there.
It's pretty good, Colin.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Yeah, tell me about it. I'm on the air every day.
I don't get these look at you. Look how healthy
you look. Coaches don't look like you. Colin you have
to call it. It's called makeup and the hair people.
That's why I look like this. You get me out
of here and you put a Gin and Tonic in
front of me, I'm a nightmare. Five minutes half.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Of the show and we'll do that something.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
All right, great seeing the coach, the great Urban Meyer.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
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Speaker 1 (09:55):
Yeah, it's just a different ballgame. It's it's not it's
not for everybody. I think we have to be honest
about that. That college coaching thing has changed, and it's
it's you know, a lot of these guys, I don't
know how they do it. Look, I just don't know
how if you've been coaching. I mean, Jay Wright's a
great basketball coach and he didn't have eighty five guys
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m scholarship. He's like, I'm out when Jay Wright left.
I mean, I get Roy Williams coach k Saban, I
get that, But when Jay Wright left Fillanova basketball, I'm like, yeah,
that that's just he's over it. And so some people
just and what Urban says is kind of what Dabo says, Like,
I don't want to get into this you know NIL thing,
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And I said this yesterday to j Mack you kind
of push back on this. I am a believer in
the NIL and transfer portal, but I think everything has
to have guardrails. I think every tea, I think there
should be a ceiling on what you could give. There's
a ceiling in the NFL. Pro football has a cap.
College can't. Eighteen million bucks is the max. Now most
colleges can't raise that. So that's way that's like Yankee
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compared to the Rays or A's. But I think if
you had a cap, like every sport in the world
except baseball has, I think that would be more redeemable.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
I had a guy approached me at the gym yesterday
who loved your take on this. There needs to be
a cap, and I'm not gonna get it to a
back and forth with some random guy, but I just
disagree with that. I don't know, let the market decide, Colin,
what's what's what's wrong with?
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Well, Well, why don't we do that in the NBA
and NFL. Let the market to sol Well.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
The NBA you need you need like a balanced league,
you don't want top heavy.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Well, the problem with the NBA right now, and this
has been like a twenty year problem. The middle and
bottom of the NBA can't compete, and that's when they live.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
They aren't stars. All these guys they draft in the
top five that are coming out of high school.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Of Tony Bennett, Virginia coach, retired at fifty five. Yeah,
he's like, I'm done. I'm not going to do it.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
It's interesting because there's a new job popping up.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
You know.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
Adrian Wojanarowski left.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Being an inside a legend and now he's at Saint
Bonaventure being like the GM of their collective.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
I have heard scuttle but raise a family. One of
the best Eugene country Club. Oh yeah, I can go
toe to toe with Ohio State and Georgia and Texas
on players. It's a wonderful place to live.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
Multiple times, one of my good buddies from college just
moved like right outside the camp beautiful and tell me
it's amazing.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
LaMotte River. There's a I don't know the name of
the river. I forgot, don't know.
Speaker 5 (12:20):
I haven't seen in the fall. It looks.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
There's a river that runs through the campus track. I
mean it's just young fun Green. It's a great campus.
It's just it's right off the freeway. It's a beautiful place.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
It can landing. Be that be a sabman who sticks
around forever. Do you see him go in the NFL?
I don't know. I mean calor.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
I think the NFL is more attractive to me if
you get a reasonable owner, which is about eight.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Of them reasonable owner. What about quarterback?
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Well, yeah, yeah, yeah, if you get a reasonable hands
off owner and a good quarterback, the NFL is the
best place to coach. But in college football, again, if
you have the budget, Like if I was a college coach,
I would want I wouldn't want. I would want final
say on players, but I would want a GM. I
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don't need the power. I would want a former NFL
guy that I would say I would have veto power
on a player, but I'd like you to go find
the players and then you know, if I have veto
power on like a pass rusher, quarterback, you know, left tackle,
there's going to be some things I want to have
veto power and say I don't like him. I like him,
But again, I think I think this idea that you know,
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I just think the college life as a coach is
worse significantly than ten years ago. And I think the
NFL life gives you two and three week breaks multiple
times a year.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
I wouldn't. I would mention Ryan Day as a face
of college football, but I don't think that sticks. Marcus
Freeman probably as an NFL trajectory. Sarkesian is another name.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
But sorry. Now, if you told me sark becomes the
face of college football for a decade, that would be
my vote. That would be my vote. Great a d
good money, he's gonna win a Natty. Let's let's say
sark just wins one Natty. Calipari won one Natty and
he kept that job forever. It's when Calipari started losing
in the first round in March. But if calib Pari
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would have gotten to a couple of Elite eights, he's
still be the coach in Kentucky. He just his team
couldn't win in March, and he was like, well, that's
not my job.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Yeah it is.
Speaker 5 (14:19):
I forgot.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
You had the greatest all time nickname for him, Calipanzi.
You remember that?
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (14:25):
Did he not like that? Did he ever reach it?
Speaker 1 (14:26):
I don't know. But when I used to buy into Calipari.
But then when he said it's not my job at
Kentucky to win in March, I'm like, okay, this is
that is like saying Sark's job. It's not to win
games in Texas. It's to make these young men pros.
You're fired. Like it was just nonsense. He knew it.
It was because he was losing in March. That's not
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my job. Yes it is at Kentucky. By the way
he goes, a young men can go anywhere and make
the NBA.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
You take my college basketball plays last night, Valpo and TCU.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
Did you get those? Valpo and TCU.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
And those were your bets?
Speaker 3 (14:59):
They both hit?
Speaker 1 (15:01):
How How do you know that?
Speaker 4 (15:02):
That's what I do, my friend, this is what I do,
all right. Next story is the Chicago Bears, Colin. They've
been through a lot this year started four and two,
have not won since. The new interim head coach Thomas
Brown started this year as the passing game coordinator, and he's.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
Gotten promoted twice.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
Now that things have settled out a bit, Cole Kmet
says he feels like a lot better.
Speaker 6 (15:23):
Yeah, I will say that. Yeah, I think there is
a little bit of an excel to it. I think
exale for me kind of happened yesterday, just kind of
finally moving on from it. When you finally get on
the grass and go practice it kind of for me
always signifies moving on to the next week.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
I had somebody who follows the Bears closely tell me,
if you listen to Kevin Warren this week at his
press conference, he sounds like a power hungry dude and
hit my buddy's speculation is that he's going to keep
Thomas Brown as the head coach. I know that's a
little crazy because Thomas Brown doesn't have any experience, but
sounds like did you see Warren at the press conference?
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He kind of put polls in the corner. It feels
doesn't feel like the vibes are great there. You walk
in the room and it's like, okay, who's.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
So it's going to be Matt Lafleur, Dan Campbell, Kevin O'Connell,
and Thomas Brown.
Speaker 5 (16:08):
Well, that's just speculation.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
I mean, I think that's a great job.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
But the way Warren is talking and you had a
good note, didn't you that there was somebody that, oh
it was Harball. Remember when Harball.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
Made sense, and you were like Warren and Harbaugh not
no shot.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
They don't get along, no so. And Harball was the
perfect pede because he's great with quarterbacks, young quarterbacks. He's
a culture creator and he wins immediately. Like those three things.
That's what Chicago has to start winning. They got to
change the culture, and they got to make sure Caleb's
on the right track. Harbaugh's check check check. Not interested bad.
Sometimes guys grudges, as I often say, or change smoking hate.
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They don't hurt the person you're holding it against. They
hurt you. Get out of the grudge business. And and
Harbaugh and Kevin Warren, I don't know what happened, but
that he was there for the take in.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
Wait can you repeat? Would you get that on a
fortune cookie?
Speaker 1 (17:03):
No, it's just one time I was talking about grudges
with somebody, even just twenty years ago, and I said, dude,
you're just chained smoking hate. It's all you're doing. It's
not hurting the person you hold it again, it's to
hurting you. Yeah, get out of the bitter business to
the lousy business to.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
Be it gets you.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
Friday Final Hour, just firing off.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
Just legendhim mind that was that was good. Final story
is Dion to the NFL.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
Rumors are heating up Colin He's been linked.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
To the Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
Now there's a report linking him to the Raidas, even
though they have a head coach. Just two hours ago,
our producer said, Shader Sanders posted an IG story driving
past the Raiders stadium in Vegas.
Speaker 5 (17:36):
And put the caption legendary.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
I wonder what car shoulder was driving. What do you
think Lambeau rri huh?
Speaker 1 (17:44):
How about Dion and shad Or with the Raiders.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
I'd be well, they got to get the first pick first.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
I think they're gonna get that.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
And you think they dust.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Pierce lengendary there it is.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
Look at that. I'll get how quick that turner? I
want a staff? We got?
Speaker 1 (17:59):
That's fun? That's a fun. Stay you yeay?
Speaker 4 (18:01):
Have you been to the end Zone.
Speaker 5 (18:02):
My brother has a connection to the En Zone.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
I went to a w WE event there. It was great.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Why would you do?
Speaker 1 (18:07):
I took my son to it. Oh, we had a ball.
It was really fun.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
I'll take your word for it. I went to a
Jets Raiders game.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
You can imagine who lost that one, But yeah, it
was a great experienced. It's a legit party in the
end zone.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Okay, club love time. If I were so inclined to party.
J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Herd Line News, all right, j Max picks next.
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Speaker 5 (18:52):
Colin who you got?
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Malik Neighbors versus the Saints, Drake London versus the Vikings,
Justin Jefferson Versta Falcons, DJ Moore, who's listed as questionable
by the way at the forty nine ers.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
I'm gonna go Justin Jefferson at home against the Falcons.
Like Minnesota's score some points in that game, all right.
Jamack at one point was just a young fledgling sports writer.
He kicked that to the curve for gambling and doing
this thing and digital stuff, and we created a segment
called Tomorrow's Headlines Today Jets Dolphins. I think I know
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where you're leaning.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Boy.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
Got a lot of Jets news here in the last
hour that we'll get to shortly. It ain't great. The
headline will be just the two of us beat the Jets.
Don't need to try that. Not my best singing voice
there ever, but this is this is blowout city. Yeah,
here's the news on the Jets recently, so CJ. Moasley,
their middle linebacker, tackling machine. He just went on ir
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Sauce Gardner and Breis Hall not practicing all week.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
They're listed as doubtful.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
There is a reddit board report You'll love that some
guy who was at the hospit in New York saw
Breese Hall and thinks he's getting an MRI. Thinks the
Jets are shutting him down. That's where we are with
the Jets right now, reddit Board speculation. Bottom line, this
smells like a quit by the Jets. I mean that
collapse against the Seahawks was awful. Would not be surprised.
What's the over under on Tyrod Taylor's snaps.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
For the Jets this week?
Speaker 4 (20:18):
Honestly, why not? I don't see it. McDaniel, we know
against teams over five hundred, he struggles one to fifteen
and then he just obliterates the bad teams. That's what
the Dolphins do their front runners. I kind of wouldn't
be surprised by like a forty nine to seven, forty
nine ten Jets just roll over.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
So I'm on the Dolphins here.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Colin Tomorrow's headlines today, this was a stay away game
for me. Panthers at the Eagles on fog.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
Why did you want to stay away from it?
Speaker 1 (20:41):
I was watching Bryce Young.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
Rising, Bryce Young ascending. If you will trying to catch CJ. Stroud,
the headline will be the Bryce of eggs. Panthers face
Philly inflation. Folks is a big line, but the numbers climbing.
I see thirteen. Listen, Philadelphia is the best running game
in the league.
Speaker 5 (21:01):
You want a guess who has.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
A bottom three run defense in the league, Carolina. They
made Bucky Irving look like Eric Dickerson last week. He
went crazy. This feels like Eagles runaway, and I believe
Philly will be able to save some of their guys
in the fourth quarter. You know, want to rest them
for the big matchup against the Steelers, the intrastate battle
next week. The only caution here is the Eagles if
faced two bad teams earlier this year at home, big
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spread against Jacksonville and Cleveland, didn't cover in each one
kind of went through the motions. You didn't see a
fully locked in, bought in Eagles team. But this feels
like a different team. Remember you did a story about
since the bye week, Hertz and Sirianni kind of got
on the same page. They're rolling and that win over
the Ravens was impressive. They smacked your Bengals around. I
like the Eagles a lot this week.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Tomorrow's headlines today the banged up Chargers at the Kansas
City Chiefs.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
You know, I like the Chargers went to that game
against the Ravens and they were in good position to win,
could not pull it off.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
I faded them last week. Didn't work out. I'm gonna
try it again.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
The headline will be Pachecko's and balances Chiefs separate Chargers power.
This is just not good. I'm looking at Lad McConkie
reports today. Still has not practiced. There is major question
if he's going to go and listen. No JK. Dobbins
last week, no run game. They didn't have two hundred
yards of offense against the Falcons. Gus Edwards, who I like.
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You know, my kids met him when we went to
a Chargers preseason thing. Gus Edwards is running like he's
got a piano on his back. He's hitting the line
like what am I doing? Like super slow Colin. I'm
worried that the Chiefs kind of regain form here after
that horrific performance against the Raiders. But I've been.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
Saying that for a while.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
Chiefs six straight games, no covers. I just don't know
if the Chargers can do it. There's some numbers on
mconkey about how much of a difference maker he is
Colin against man coverage. He's one of the best receivers
in the league this year. He's super shifty. But if
he's not there, who you got? Quinton Johnston like Palmer.
Speaker 5 (22:53):
I don't like it. So I'm going Chiefs here, favored
by four.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Let's let's pivot to college football tomorrow. Deadlines today, Texas, Georgia.
What say you?
Speaker 4 (23:05):
Okay? So Urban Myers had something very interesting in that
interview earlier this hour about how Texas is kind of
returning some of their tickets. This is going to be
a major Georgia home game in Athens. The headline, Well
b sark Nato SEC East Broom sweeps wicked westfoe sadly,
I have Georgia winning. Wow.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
I like Texas a lot, Im Rooney. I think they
can still win the Natty. It's just not a great matchup. Now,
this will be a Georgia home game. I'm anticipating eighty
twenty crowd. You go online, tickets can be had. And
by the way, the Georgia fight song Glory Glory, pretty
darn good. You remember the one from elementary school, Glory Glory, Hallelujah.
Teacher hit me with the ruler.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
I never got hit with a rule. I was a
good kid, but I do.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
It's going to be a scene there. George has been
to the SEC title game four years.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
The very familiar territory.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
The argument you made about eight overtimes and a gas defense,
that's very credible. But Texas had an emotional game on
the road in College Station. They needed to pull that
one out late. This should This is probably the best
game of the weekend, and we could see it again
round three.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
In the College Football Playoff. But I'm on Georgia.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Here Tomorrow's headline today the docs, the Nicknay Lions. What's
what's on the agenda for you?
Speaker 4 (24:21):
We just talked about Dan Lannon, great coach, James Franklin,
very good, but doesn't have the respect because he never wins.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Not the big ones. He struggles with the big ones.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
The headline here will Babe count Quacula Ducks year one
is fantastic. I'm gonna go Oregon winning, but close. I
bet Penn State. I think this is a three point
game either way. Penn State keeps this close with this kid,
Tyler Warren. So we talked about Brock Bauers being an
amazing tight end. That kid Warren, he destroyed you as.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
He had seventeen cap He's six six, two sixty.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
Now, I don't know what he's gonna run at the combine,
but I'm just telling you this kid Warren lines up
at the backfield out wide. I mean, he is such
a a weapon. One of the best players in college
football I've seen all season. So I think he can
help keep it close. But Oregon with Gabriel Man, they.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Are They're really fun to watch.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
They're good. I don't know what's their best win outside
of playing Ohio State at home, like the Wisconsin game.
They didn't really dominate that game.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Well.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
First year in the Big Ten, they had a bunch
of road games. They had a really rough stretch of
like eight straight Big Ten games, and those those were hard.
What I was impressed is when they played poorly. I
think it was Wisconsin and they didn't play very well
and they won. That's a complete That's a very easy
game to lose.
Speaker 5 (25:35):
Early in the season, they didn't play well against Boise.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
I remember they were laying like twenty and against Idaho,
so those were some struggles early. But Dan Lanning and
Gabriel one of the better combos coach coach quarterback in
the country. So I like Oregon to win a close
which should be a really good game.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Yeah, you know, there's some how about Arizona State.
Speaker 5 (25:59):
It's weird having Ohio State in there.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
They've been up top all season, no Miami in there,
They've been up top all season. Alabama is just a fixture,
well just kind of a quirky conferenceation.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Ohio State is. Yeah, it's I I think I think
they're gonna be fine, and I think people overreact. I
think it's one of the strangest losses I've ever seen.
And I think because it's at Ohio State, and because
it's against Michigan, everybody freaks out, and you should freak out.
It was bad. I as long as they don't have
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I mean, if they played Tennessee they would would they
host them or I think they'd host them. We got
to I think they're I think if their first their first,
their first playoff game December twentieth, you know that's when
it starts. If they're in Columbus, they'll win.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
But they'll also have had three weeks to get healthy
and put some new stuff in the playbook. That is
huge because some of the teams that are playing this
week and then don't get the buye.
Speaker 5 (26:55):
That's a lot of extra football that we haven't.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
We don't know how these kids also Ryan Day and
Chip Kelly or offensive coaches, so they're creators. You know,
offensive coaches tend to be the more creative coaches. So
I could see Ohio State on three weeks rest, coming
out and all sorts of exotics and being really really good.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
See that against Michigan. I was disappointed, like, well, you
know je gimmick plays, where's the gadget stuff?
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Well they got the dudes, Yeah, No, they got the dudes.
They got NFL running backs, receiver, they got the dudes.
You know. I think some of it is what Joel
Klatt said this week. I think Will Howard had an
early mistake and they looked at it and said, listen,
Michigan can't score on us. We'll kick a bunch of
field goals and win. Then all of a sudden, you
look up and Michigan's picking up first downs and the
clock is winding down and it's tied, and it's it was.
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It was jaw dropping.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
It's disappointing that they would coach that way just because
he had the early mistake. Now, he did get knocked
out of the game for like a play member or
maybe he didn't miss a play, but he definitely was
nearly concussed.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
So the other thing, and Will Howard does a good job.
He's a good college quarterback. He's solid, more than they
won a title with Craig Krenzel. I mean, the game
has changed, but he's more than you can win a
national title with Will Howard. I believe this year, I
think they're gonna end up the only team. Now see again,
Oregon beat him. So I would rather be Ohio State
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in a second meeting, you get a little chip on
your shoulder. Here's the only The only team that I
would absolutely think is favored over Ohio State would be
Texas by about three and a half. That I think
Texas would be of uh and I taste that three.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
And a half.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
I would bet the buck Hindes.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
What once we get the twelve teams, I would like
you to rank the quarterbacks in the twelve team playoff.
I wonder if Howard's even top six I get would
you who'd you trust bigger in a big spot?
Speaker 5 (28:37):
Will Howard or Carson.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Beck Well, Beck's a better quarterback, okay, and we don't
think much of beck Well, he's draftable, He's probably a second.
He's probably a late second round. Here.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
You're not taking You're not taking Will Howard over the
kid Dylan Gabriel. You're not taking him over yours, your
boy at Notre Dame rather than Leonard.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
I don't care Will Howard. Oh I like Riley?
Speaker 4 (28:59):
Okay, so will Sow State has a.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
Quarterback who's done, but the beavan.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Ohio State has top three talents, so they don't have
to be as good.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
But what good as the talent if you don't have
a quarterback who can get on the ball. He's Fine's
the Oregon mistake at the end, the Michigan collapse pylon.
Will you had a rough go? What do you want
me to do? I can't sugarcoat it?
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Should I more sugarcoating. That's our show for this Friday.
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
One of the great college football coaches of all time,
Urban Meyer, three national championships, two at Florida one with
the Buckeyes' now part of the big noon kickoff. All right,
so let's go back and address the Ohio state stuff.
So there's two schools of thought. First of all, when
you come in as a heavy favorite, you can be
a little cautious, perhaps as a coach. Maybe that was
(00:45):
Ryan Day. There's the other argument that Will Howard was
not on his game and he looked at that Michigan
offense and said, you know what, we're gonna win this
thing seventeen to ten. It's just we're gonna get out
of this thing. We don't want to we don't want
to play around here. Can you tell me when you
watched it, do you think Will Howard and Will Howard's
been a bit hot and cold for my taste, but
he's talent kid. It was part of this Ryan Day
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changing a game plan in game when he wasn't real
confident in his quarterback after early mistakes.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
You know, I watched this thing a couple of times
because I'm on the Big Ten Network on Sundays, and
I was there and I really couldn't believe what I
watched in person. And I spoke to Ryan Day this week,
and you know, I's We've all been there. As a coach.
You're there on the sideline, your defense is playing phenomenal,
(01:37):
the opponent is really struggling. You throw a turnover early
in the game and give him a freebie, you know,
and you maybe lose a little confidence in your quarterback.
Was a little bit of blustering wind out there. Yeah,
you know, I could come up with all kinds of
different reasons, but we've all been there, and I'm sure
if coach Day and then Chip Kelly had another opportunity,
(01:58):
they probably made do a little thing, a bunch a
few things differently.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
When you had a devastating loss in your career, it's agonizing.
How do you attack it as a coach?
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Well, I'm the poster shout on how not to handle it.
I'd lose. Shoot, I couldn't eat, couldn't sleep for months
after that. Here's the problem when you lose that game
to the wolve Rains. You know, in the old days,
you went to bad Bowl game and you got pissed
off and you just started working again for next year.
Ohigo States in the in the hunt. They're still one
(02:33):
of the top teams. It's not the most talented team
in the country. They've got playoffs. They got this going,
So you got to rinse and repeat. Man, you got
to go. You got to not worry about it. I
talked to coach Day about it and he said absolutely.
And players are more resilient than coaches. Players. You know,
you go out and practice a couple of times. You know,
they got their careers to think about, they got their
performance to and they got the reality of playoff team
(02:56):
coming up. So you just got to move on. You know,
it's much different era with this playoff than it was
in the old day when you lost a game like that,
because you had to you know, you had to eat
that thing for a whole year. You don't it's over,
move on to the next one.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Yeah. I still think the three best teams I've seen
are Ohio State, Texas, and Oregon. Oregon plays this week
tomorrow against Penn State. When I see Oregon, I don't
quite see Texas Ohio State athletes close. What I see
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is speed and coaching. How would you? I mean, it's
they they spread you out. They got California speed everywhere.
When you look at Oregon, what would terrify you as
a defensive coach or a coaching staff facing Oregon if
you're Penn State this week?
Speaker 3 (03:47):
I think they're the fastest team in the country. And
I don't talk about forty yard times. I talk about
the way they play and defensively, they had ten sacks
last week against Washington and tash to the point of
the decordinator's phenomenal, he used to be on my staff.
I love that dude. He's and they play like him.
He's a nut, you know, he's intense, He's just everything's
full speed. They play like that on defense, on offense.
(04:10):
I mean, they're legit, legit, you know. And I didn't
know that. I went out and saw them in spring
practice and I thought probably a lot like you did.
I don't exactly see ohiose Date or Georgia or Texas.
But I'm watching them now and they are the right.
They are the number one team in the country. They
play faster than anyone else in the country.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Yeah, they're really fun to watch. I've been so lucky
through the years to get a cover and they're so
much fun to watch. Texas. I've always said this, there's
three glamour programs in college football, Miami and Coral Gables
USC in Texas, and it offers their own challenges. Now
when they win, the media goes gaga and it's you
(04:51):
turn on any sports network. It's all we're talking about.
But there's a lot of distractions in La Coral Gables
in Austin, And I always feel even with the good
Texas teams and SC teams, you know, they're they're got
a lot of things to do on a Thursday night.
Do you worry about that with Texas? You know, in Columbus,
once the weather turns, I mean, kids can get in trouble.
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But you know what I mean. Austin at seventy two
degrees go down to sixth Street. Is Texas different this year?
Are they focused? Do they have a northern ideology? A tough,
physical ideology, pay attention, and don't get loose.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
I think so I picked him last year. You know,
I coach Sark. We did a game and he invited
us to watch them practice, and that was the closest
thing I've ever seen to our two thousand and eight
Florida team, you know, the big fIF defense alignment and
then elongated skill guys and NFL draft picks all over
the field. We watched them practice. Excellent coaching staff, very disciplined.
(05:52):
So I actually picked them last year, and I'm you know,
I think they're going to be right there this year.
They got they got a reprieve. Man, they got a
lifeline when they got their butts kicked by Georgia, and
they've been playing great ever since. You know, I know
when your has got all injury, they're deal with now.
But I think they're locked and loaded. Here's what about Georgia,
(06:13):
Dot Mary All due respect to Georgia, I've never what
they're getting ready to walk into a Mercedes Benz Stadium
and I coached in a couple of three SEC championship games, Colin,
I think it's bigger than the National Championship when I
was there. Whoever won that SEC championship, was going to
win the national title. That's how good the conference was.
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And the atmosphere Georgia is going to be like a
home field advantage. I know Texas they I've heard they
gave back a lot of the tickets. This is going
to be an inferno that Texas walks into. And if
Texas can, the key is And I'm just if I'm
giving a pregame speech, Get first downs, that's it. Don't
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worry about winning the game. Get first downs and calm
the environment down. That's how you now do not turn
the ball over. No sacks. But that all due respect
to Texas has been in some big games. I'm not
sure they've been in one like this one.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Yeah, SEC is different. By the way, you know, all
the recruiting, So you were at Bowling Green recruiting two
and three star guys, and you go to Utah get
a little better player. Then you go to Florida and
you get in Ohio State. How does Ashton genty how
does he end up at Boise State, that's where you are.
How in the world does that kid get missed by
all the buck guys and Wolverines and Notre Dame and USC's.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Well, I go back to like Joe Burrow was fairly unrecruited,
so a lot of these cats are just underdeveloped when
coming out of high school. What's even more amazing is
Ashton Genty stuck with his team last year. I'm sure
he could have made seven figures or more at some
other school. And he is legit. His lower body is powerful.
I can't wait. I can't wait to see him play.
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And I was one of those naysayers, and I'm like, Okay,
he's playing in a conference. You know that. You know,
could he do that against the big boys? And he
certainly did against Oregon. He almost had two hundred yards rushing.
So this kid is legit. I can't wait to see
him tonight we're here. I can't wait to see him.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Okay, finally, you know Belichick, I said earlier, Belichick groveling
to eighteen year old give me a break. I'm like,
this isn't gonna work.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
He does it.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
He's not a college coach, right.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
I got to know him so well as of Florida
and we became very good friends. And I'm like you,
I'm like, I just don't know. I mean, for coach
Belichick to be sitting in his office in an eight
and this is what's going on now, because I have
many friends obviously in the business, and an agent shows
up at your office and or high school recruit and
(08:47):
they start demanding money from you, and I'm I'm just
I've known Coach Belichick a long time. I couldn't do it.
I couldn't do that. I'd have to say, get out,
get out of the office. You know, let's get better grades.
Let's you know, take care of yourself a little better
and perform a little better, and let's have a chat.
So God bless him. He's seventy. I think he's seventy
(09:08):
years old or something, and he still wants to keep going,
So God bless him. Man, if he wants to do it.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Are you ever going to coach again? You could coach.
You have good energy.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
I love what I'm doing.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
No, I don't.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
I don't see me coaching again. I got a life
to live. I didn't know this life was out there.
It's pretty good, Colin.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Yeah, tell me about it. I'm on the air every day.
I don't get these look at you. Look how healthy
you look. Coaches don't look like you. Colin you have
to call it. It's called makeup and the hair people.
That's why I look like this. You get me out
of here and you put a Gin and Tonic in
front of me, I'm a nightmare. Five minutes half.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Of the show and we'll do that something.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
All right, great seeing the coach, the great Urban Meyer.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
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Speaker 1 (09:55):
Yeah, it's just a different ballgame. It's it's not it's
not for everybody. I think we have to be honest
about that. That college coaching thing has changed, and it's
it's you know, a lot of these guys, I don't
know how they do it. Look, I just don't know
how if you've been coaching. I mean, Jay Wright's a
great basketball coach and he didn't have eighty five guys
(10:17):
m scholarship. He's like, I'm out when Jay Wright left.
I mean, I get Roy Williams coach k Saban, I
get that, But when Jay Wright left Fillanova basketball, I'm like, yeah,
that that's just he's over it. And so some people
just and what Urban says is kind of what Dabo says, Like,
I don't want to get into this you know NIL thing,
(10:38):
And I said this yesterday to j Mack you kind
of push back on this. I am a believer in
the NIL and transfer portal, but I think everything has
to have guardrails. I think every tea, I think there
should be a ceiling on what you could give. There's
a ceiling in the NFL. Pro football has a cap.
College can't. Eighteen million bucks is the max. Now most
colleges can't raise that. So that's way that's like Yankee
(11:00):
compared to the Rays or A's. But I think if
you had a cap, like every sport in the world
except baseball has, I think that would be more redeemable.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
I had a guy approached me at the gym yesterday
who loved your take on this. There needs to be
a cap, and I'm not gonna get it to a
back and forth with some random guy, but I just
disagree with that. I don't know, let the market decide, Colin,
what's what's what's wrong with?
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Well, Well, why don't we do that in the NBA
and NFL. Let the market to sol Well.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
The NBA you need you need like a balanced league,
you don't want top heavy.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Well, the problem with the NBA right now, and this
has been like a twenty year problem. The middle and
bottom of the NBA can't compete, and that's when they live.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
They aren't stars. All these guys they draft in the
top five that are coming out of high school.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Of Tony Bennett, Virginia coach, retired at fifty five. Yeah,
he's like, I'm done. I'm not going to do it.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
It's interesting because there's a new job popping up.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
You know.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
Adrian Wojanarowski left.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Being an inside a legend and now he's at Saint
Bonaventure being like the GM of their collective.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
I have heard scuttle but raise a family. One of
the best Eugene country Club. Oh yeah, I can go
toe to toe with Ohio State and Georgia and Texas
on players. It's a wonderful place to live.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
Multiple times, one of my good buddies from college just
moved like right outside the camp beautiful and tell me
it's amazing.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
LaMotte River. There's a I don't know the name of
the river. I forgot, don't know.
Speaker 5 (12:20):
I haven't seen in the fall. It looks.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
There's a river that runs through the campus track. I
mean it's just young fun Green. It's a great campus.
It's just it's right off the freeway. It's a beautiful place.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
It can landing. Be that be a sabman who sticks
around forever. Do you see him go in the NFL?
I don't know. I mean calor.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
I think the NFL is more attractive to me if
you get a reasonable owner, which is about eight.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Of them reasonable owner. What about quarterback?
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Well, yeah, yeah, yeah, if you get a reasonable hands
off owner and a good quarterback, the NFL is the
best place to coach. But in college football, again, if
you have the budget, Like if I was a college coach,
I would want I wouldn't want. I would want final
say on players, but I would want a GM. I
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don't need the power. I would want a former NFL
guy that I would say I would have veto power
on a player, but I'd like you to go find
the players and then you know, if I have veto
power on like a pass rusher, quarterback, you know, left tackle,
there's going to be some things I want to have
veto power and say I don't like him. I like him,
But again, I think I think this idea that you know,
(13:31):
I just think the college life as a coach is
worse significantly than ten years ago. And I think the
NFL life gives you two and three week breaks multiple
times a year.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
I wouldn't. I would mention Ryan Day as a face
of college football, but I don't think that sticks. Marcus
Freeman probably as an NFL trajectory. Sarkesian is another name.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
But sorry. Now, if you told me sark becomes the
face of college football for a decade, that would be
my vote. That would be my vote. Great a d
good money, he's gonna win a Natty. Let's let's say
sark just wins one Natty. Calipari won one Natty and
he kept that job forever. It's when Calipari started losing
in the first round in March. But if calib Pari
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would have gotten to a couple of Elite eights, he's
still be the coach in Kentucky. He just his team
couldn't win in March, and he was like, well, that's
not my job.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Yeah it is.
Speaker 5 (14:19):
I forgot.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
You had the greatest all time nickname for him, Calipanzi.
You remember that?
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (14:25):
Did he not like that? Did he ever reach it?
Speaker 1 (14:26):
I don't know. But when I used to buy into Calipari.
But then when he said it's not my job at
Kentucky to win in March, I'm like, okay, this is
that is like saying Sark's job. It's not to win
games in Texas. It's to make these young men pros.
You're fired. Like it was just nonsense. He knew it.
It was because he was losing in March. That's not
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my job. Yes it is at Kentucky. By the way
he goes, a young men can go anywhere and make
the NBA.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
You take my college basketball plays last night, Valpo and TCU.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
Did you get those? Valpo and TCU.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
And those were your bets?
Speaker 3 (14:59):
They both hit?
Speaker 1 (15:01):
How How do you know that?
Speaker 4 (15:02):
That's what I do, my friend, this is what I do,
all right. Next story is the Chicago Bears, Colin. They've
been through a lot this year started four and two,
have not won since. The new interim head coach Thomas
Brown started this year as the passing game coordinator, and he's.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
Gotten promoted twice.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
Now that things have settled out a bit, Cole Kmet
says he feels like a lot better.
Speaker 6 (15:23):
Yeah, I will say that. Yeah, I think there is
a little bit of an excel to it. I think
exale for me kind of happened yesterday, just kind of
finally moving on from it. When you finally get on
the grass and go practice it kind of for me
always signifies moving on to the next week.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
I had somebody who follows the Bears closely tell me,
if you listen to Kevin Warren this week at his
press conference, he sounds like a power hungry dude and
hit my buddy's speculation is that he's going to keep
Thomas Brown as the head coach. I know that's a
little crazy because Thomas Brown doesn't have any experience, but
sounds like did you see Warren at the press conference?
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He kind of put polls in the corner. It feels
doesn't feel like the vibes are great there. You walk
in the room and it's like, okay, who's.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
So it's going to be Matt Lafleur, Dan Campbell, Kevin O'Connell,
and Thomas Brown.
Speaker 5 (16:08):
Well, that's just speculation.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
I mean, I think that's a great job.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
But the way Warren is talking and you had a
good note, didn't you that there was somebody that, oh
it was Harball. Remember when Harball.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
Made sense, and you were like Warren and Harbaugh not
no shot.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
They don't get along, no so. And Harball was the
perfect pede because he's great with quarterbacks, young quarterbacks. He's
a culture creator and he wins immediately. Like those three things.
That's what Chicago has to start winning. They got to
change the culture, and they got to make sure Caleb's
on the right track. Harbaugh's check check check. Not interested bad.
Sometimes guys grudges, as I often say, or change smoking hate.
(16:48):
They don't hurt the person you're holding it against. They
hurt you. Get out of the grudge business. And and
Harbaugh and Kevin Warren, I don't know what happened, but
that he was there for the take in.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
Wait can you repeat? Would you get that on a
fortune cookie?
Speaker 1 (17:03):
No, it's just one time I was talking about grudges
with somebody, even just twenty years ago, and I said, dude,
you're just chained smoking hate. It's all you're doing. It's
not hurting the person you hold it again, it's to
hurting you. Yeah, get out of the bitter business to
the lousy business to.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
Be it gets you.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
Friday Final Hour, just firing off.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
Just legendhim mind that was that was good. Final story
is Dion to the NFL.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
Rumors are heating up Colin He's been linked.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
To the Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
Now there's a report linking him to the Raidas, even
though they have a head coach. Just two hours ago,
our producer said, Shader Sanders posted an IG story driving
past the Raiders stadium in Vegas.
Speaker 5 (17:36):
And put the caption legendary.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
I wonder what car shoulder was driving. What do you
think Lambeau rri huh?
Speaker 1 (17:44):
How about Dion and shad Or with the Raiders.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
I'd be well, they got to get the first pick first.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
I think they're gonna get that.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
And you think they dust.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Pierce lengendary there it is.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
Look at that. I'll get how quick that turner? I
want a staff? We got?
Speaker 1 (17:59):
That's fun? That's a fun. Stay you yeay?
Speaker 4 (18:01):
Have you been to the end Zone.
Speaker 5 (18:02):
My brother has a connection to the En Zone.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
I went to a w WE event there. It was great.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Why would you do?
Speaker 1 (18:07):
I took my son to it. Oh, we had a ball.
It was really fun.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
I'll take your word for it. I went to a
Jets Raiders game.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
You can imagine who lost that one, But yeah, it
was a great experienced. It's a legit party in the
end zone.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Okay, club love time. If I were so inclined to party.
J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Herd Line News, all right, j Max picks next.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
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Speaker 4 (18:43):
Super six sponsored by draft Kings. What are the Fox
Sports app to make your picks? One of the questions
is which player will have the most receptions?
Speaker 5 (18:52):
Colin who you got?
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Malik Neighbors versus the Saints, Drake London versus the Vikings,
Justin Jefferson Versta Falcons, DJ Moore, who's listed as questionable
by the way at the forty nine ers.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
I'm gonna go Justin Jefferson at home against the Falcons.
Like Minnesota's score some points in that game, all right.
Jamack at one point was just a young fledgling sports writer.
He kicked that to the curve for gambling and doing
this thing and digital stuff, and we created a segment
called Tomorrow's Headlines Today Jets Dolphins. I think I know
(19:27):
where you're leaning.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Boy.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
Got a lot of Jets news here in the last
hour that we'll get to shortly. It ain't great. The
headline will be just the two of us beat the Jets.
Don't need to try that. Not my best singing voice
there ever, but this is this is blowout city. Yeah,
here's the news on the Jets recently, so CJ. Moasley,
their middle linebacker, tackling machine. He just went on ir
(19:50):
Sauce Gardner and Breis Hall not practicing all week.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
They're listed as doubtful.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
There is a reddit board report You'll love that some
guy who was at the hospit in New York saw
Breese Hall and thinks he's getting an MRI. Thinks the
Jets are shutting him down. That's where we are with
the Jets right now, reddit Board speculation. Bottom line, this
smells like a quit by the Jets. I mean that
collapse against the Seahawks was awful. Would not be surprised.
What's the over under on Tyrod Taylor's snaps.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
For the Jets this week?
Speaker 4 (20:18):
Honestly, why not? I don't see it. McDaniel, we know
against teams over five hundred, he struggles one to fifteen
and then he just obliterates the bad teams. That's what
the Dolphins do their front runners. I kind of wouldn't
be surprised by like a forty nine to seven, forty
nine ten Jets just roll over.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
So I'm on the Dolphins here.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Colin Tomorrow's headlines today, this was a stay away game
for me. Panthers at the Eagles on fog.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
Why did you want to stay away from it?
Speaker 1 (20:41):
I was watching Bryce Young.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
Rising, Bryce Young ascending. If you will trying to catch CJ. Stroud,
the headline will be the Bryce of eggs. Panthers face
Philly inflation. Folks is a big line, but the numbers climbing.
I see thirteen. Listen, Philadelphia is the best running game
in the league.
Speaker 5 (21:01):
You want a guess who has.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
A bottom three run defense in the league, Carolina. They
made Bucky Irving look like Eric Dickerson last week. He
went crazy. This feels like Eagles runaway, and I believe
Philly will be able to save some of their guys
in the fourth quarter. You know, want to rest them
for the big matchup against the Steelers, the intrastate battle
next week. The only caution here is the Eagles if
faced two bad teams earlier this year at home, big
(21:23):
spread against Jacksonville and Cleveland, didn't cover in each one
kind of went through the motions. You didn't see a
fully locked in, bought in Eagles team. But this feels
like a different team. Remember you did a story about
since the bye week, Hertz and Sirianni kind of got
on the same page. They're rolling and that win over
the Ravens was impressive. They smacked your Bengals around. I
like the Eagles a lot this week.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Tomorrow's headlines today the banged up Chargers at the Kansas
City Chiefs.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
You know, I like the Chargers went to that game
against the Ravens and they were in good position to win,
could not pull it off.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
I faded them last week. Didn't work out. I'm gonna
try it again.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
The headline will be Pachecko's and balances Chiefs separate Chargers power.
This is just not good. I'm looking at Lad McConkie
reports today. Still has not practiced. There is major question
if he's going to go and listen. No JK. Dobbins
last week, no run game. They didn't have two hundred
yards of offense against the Falcons. Gus Edwards, who I like.
(22:21):
You know, my kids met him when we went to
a Chargers preseason thing. Gus Edwards is running like he's
got a piano on his back. He's hitting the line
like what am I doing? Like super slow Colin. I'm
worried that the Chiefs kind of regain form here after
that horrific performance against the Raiders. But I've been.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
Saying that for a while.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
Chiefs six straight games, no covers. I just don't know
if the Chargers can do it. There's some numbers on
mconkey about how much of a difference maker he is
Colin against man coverage. He's one of the best receivers
in the league this year. He's super shifty. But if
he's not there, who you got? Quinton Johnston like Palmer.
Speaker 5 (22:53):
I don't like it. So I'm going Chiefs here, favored
by four.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Let's let's pivot to college football tomorrow. Deadlines today, Texas, Georgia.
What say you?
Speaker 4 (23:05):
Okay? So Urban Myers had something very interesting in that
interview earlier this hour about how Texas is kind of
returning some of their tickets. This is going to be
a major Georgia home game in Athens. The headline, Well
b sark Nato SEC East Broom sweeps wicked westfoe sadly,
I have Georgia winning. Wow.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
I like Texas a lot, Im Rooney. I think they
can still win the Natty. It's just not a great matchup. Now,
this will be a Georgia home game. I'm anticipating eighty
twenty crowd. You go online, tickets can be had. And
by the way, the Georgia fight song Glory Glory, pretty
darn good. You remember the one from elementary school, Glory Glory, Hallelujah.
Teacher hit me with the ruler.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
I never got hit with a rule. I was a
good kid, but I do.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
It's going to be a scene there. George has been
to the SEC title game four years.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
The very familiar territory.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
The argument you made about eight overtimes and a gas defense,
that's very credible. But Texas had an emotional game on
the road in College Station. They needed to pull that
one out late. This should This is probably the best
game of the weekend, and we could see it again
round three.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
In the College Football Playoff. But I'm on Georgia.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Here Tomorrow's headline today the docs, the Nicknay Lions. What's
what's on the agenda for you?
Speaker 4 (24:21):
We just talked about Dan Lannon, great coach, James Franklin,
very good, but doesn't have the respect because he never wins.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Not the big ones. He struggles with the big ones.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
The headline here will Babe count Quacula Ducks year one
is fantastic. I'm gonna go Oregon winning, but close. I
bet Penn State. I think this is a three point
game either way. Penn State keeps this close with this kid,
Tyler Warren. So we talked about Brock Bauers being an
amazing tight end. That kid Warren, he destroyed you as.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
He had seventeen cap He's six six, two sixty.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
Now, I don't know what he's gonna run at the combine,
but I'm just telling you this kid Warren lines up
at the backfield out wide. I mean, he is such
a a weapon. One of the best players in college
football I've seen all season. So I think he can
help keep it close. But Oregon with Gabriel Man, they.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Are They're really fun to watch.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
They're good. I don't know what's their best win outside
of playing Ohio State at home, like the Wisconsin game.
They didn't really dominate that game.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Well.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
First year in the Big Ten, they had a bunch
of road games. They had a really rough stretch of
like eight straight Big Ten games, and those those were hard.
What I was impressed is when they played poorly. I
think it was Wisconsin and they didn't play very well
and they won. That's a complete That's a very easy
game to lose.
Speaker 5 (25:35):
Early in the season, they didn't play well against Boise.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
I remember they were laying like twenty and against Idaho,
so those were some struggles early. But Dan Lanning and
Gabriel one of the better combos coach coach quarterback in
the country. So I like Oregon to win a close
which should be a really good game.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Yeah, you know, there's some how about Arizona State.
Speaker 5 (25:59):
It's weird having Ohio State in there.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
They've been up top all season, no Miami in there,
They've been up top all season. Alabama is just a fixture,
well just kind of a quirky conferenceation.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Ohio State is. Yeah, it's I I think I think
they're gonna be fine, and I think people overreact. I
think it's one of the strangest losses I've ever seen.
And I think because it's at Ohio State, and because
it's against Michigan, everybody freaks out, and you should freak out.
It was bad. I as long as they don't have
(26:32):
I mean, if they played Tennessee they would would they
host them or I think they'd host them. We got
to I think they're I think if their first their first,
their first playoff game December twentieth, you know that's when
it starts. If they're in Columbus, they'll win.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
But they'll also have had three weeks to get healthy
and put some new stuff in the playbook. That is
huge because some of the teams that are playing this
week and then don't get the buye.
Speaker 5 (26:55):
That's a lot of extra football that we haven't.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
We don't know how these kids also Ryan Day and
Chip Kelly or offensive coaches, so they're creators. You know,
offensive coaches tend to be the more creative coaches. So
I could see Ohio State on three weeks rest, coming
out and all sorts of exotics and being really really good.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
See that against Michigan. I was disappointed, like, well, you
know je gimmick plays, where's the gadget stuff?
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Well they got the dudes, Yeah, No, they got the dudes.
They got NFL running backs, receiver, they got the dudes.
You know. I think some of it is what Joel
Klatt said this week. I think Will Howard had an
early mistake and they looked at it and said, listen,
Michigan can't score on us. We'll kick a bunch of
field goals and win. Then all of a sudden, you
look up and Michigan's picking up first downs and the
clock is winding down and it's tied, and it's it was.
(27:39):
It was jaw dropping.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
It's disappointing that they would coach that way just because
he had the early mistake. Now, he did get knocked
out of the game for like a play member or
maybe he didn't miss a play, but he definitely was
nearly concussed.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
So the other thing, and Will Howard does a good job.
He's a good college quarterback. He's solid, more than they
won a title with Craig Krenzel. I mean, the game
has changed, but he's more than you can win a
national title with Will Howard. I believe this year, I
think they're gonna end up the only team. Now see again,
Oregon beat him. So I would rather be Ohio State
(28:10):
in a second meeting, you get a little chip on
your shoulder. Here's the only The only team that I
would absolutely think is favored over Ohio State would be
Texas by about three and a half. That I think
Texas would be of uh and I taste that three.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
And a half.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
I would bet the buck Hindes.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
What once we get the twelve teams, I would like
you to rank the quarterbacks in the twelve team playoff.
I wonder if Howard's even top six I get would
you who'd you trust bigger in a big spot?
Speaker 5 (28:37):
Will Howard or Carson.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Beck Well, Beck's a better quarterback, okay, and we don't
think much of beck Well, he's draftable, He's probably a second.
He's probably a late second round. Here.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
You're not taking You're not taking Will Howard over the
kid Dylan Gabriel. You're not taking him over yours, your
boy at Notre Dame rather than Leonard.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
I don't care Will Howard. Oh I like Riley?
Speaker 4 (28:59):
Okay, so will Sow State has a.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
Quarterback who's done, but the beavan.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Ohio State has top three talents, so they don't have
to be as good.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
But what good as the talent if you don't have
a quarterback who can get on the ball. He's Fine's
the Oregon mistake at the end, the Michigan collapse pylon.
Will you had a rough go? What do you want
me to do? I can't sugarcoat it?
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Should I more sugarcoating. That's our show for this Friday.
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