Jalen Ramsey Doubles Down, the NBA GOAT Discussion and Browns QB Controversy

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I'm Doug Gottlie feeling in with a legendary, legendary Canadian explorer,
Colin Coward. All Things Canada today is Colin will return
from Canada. Be back on air Monday. Speaking of Canada,
I'm joined by one of Canadian Canada's finest, Rachel Bonetta

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joins me as well, back from her Russian tour of
duty covering the World Cup. Rachel, so nice to have
you alongside. Thank you for having me. By the way.
I love that you say, what up? It's very millennial
of you. Is it just kind of no? I don't know. Listen,
you have a thing, you do your thing. That's my
kind of my thing, saying he calls ah, which I

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don't even know. It's not even a word, but it's odd,
but it is. It is collins Um speaking of having
a thing and doing your thing. Isn't that what Jalen
Ramsey is doing. We'll get to Jalen Ramsey in just
a moment. Eric Mangini's gonna join us, the man genius
half past the hour, Bruce Feldman will join us as
we'll talk a little college football, the stuff going on

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at Maryland and what might go down today or very
soon at the Ohio State University. We got some gronk,
we got some great Eli manning for the first time
ever with a kind of drop the mic quip if
you will. We'll get to that. Darryl Moorey saying that
lebron is the Goat by a pretty substantial margin. I'll
give you my thoughts on that, and we'll get you

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ready for a good slate of preseason NFL games, which, look,
if you watch preseason NFL games, that's cool, but do
not overreact like you have to watch him going. Don't
over react preseason football. Don't over react preseasonoball. Don't over
react preseason football. Also really difficult to tell you don't
bet on preseason football. I'm not sure where the pantheon

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of things you most want to bet on, but somewhere
in the neighborhood of WNBA scores are the WNBA is
where preseason football ranks and things I would not bet on.
All right, we got we gotta a metric ton to
get to. I want to start with this though. Jalen
Ramsey just supplied us with an unbelievable amount of sports

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radio and sports television fodder, didn't he He like, did
our jobs for us. Listen, don't get me wrong. We
are all excited about football season because we become a
football country, and we're mere weeks away from college football
kicking off, and then a couple of weeks further away
from the NFL kicking off. One of the issues that
sometimes you run into during college football season during the

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NFL season is sometimes Wednesday, you don't have the games
to talk about, and there's not anything else to talk about,
and in the off season you're just hoping, hoping, like
this is just years of research tongues of stuff. Thank
you very much, Jalen Ramsey. He had an interview with
GQ apparently got very comfy and started doing what we

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wish guys would do. Jalen Ramsey said what he thinks.
Huh shocker. There here's the cold, honest truth, Jalen Ramsey
saying that he thinks Ben Roethlisberger is decent at best,
or he thinks that Jimmy Garoppolo is all schemes. I

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guess I could say he's good. That's how dudes talk.
That's the real language of sports. It's not about you know,
his throwing motion, his arm angles, you know his reading,
his progressions. That's how analysts talk, and that's how we
want sports to be analyzed on TV and maybe analyzed

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in a boardroom for a team as to whether or
not you're going to take a guy or not take
a guy. But in the real world of football, this
is the way that dudes talk, right Like in basketball,
it's really simple. Guy steps on the court, shoot her.
No left hand can't shoot. And the problem is that

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and we've talked about this with yesterday with Aaron Rodgers
saying a couple days ago his wide receiver young wide
receiver's effort in one drill or a series of drills
was pissed poor. The rest of the world is so
not used to this actual discussion. Right. It's like when
you walk into a bunch of mechanics sitting around drinking
beers on a Friday at five fifteen and you're like, Wow,

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I cannot believe how they sound. Like, Yeah, but that's
because you're not a mechanic. That's how they sound, dude.
This is how Trucker's sound when they're sitting around in
a truck stop. This is how football players defensive back
sound when they're talking about quarterbacks. Joe Flacco sucks, Matt
Ryan's overrated, Andrew luck who, by the way, statistically passer

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rating one thirty seven point five against Jalen Ramsey. I
don't really think he's all that good. You don't how
to think that. The stats would tell you the opposite.
But again, that's not even the point. The point is,
at least the first part is that Jaylon Ramsey is
talking like dudes actually talk in locker rooms. And if

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you don't like it, that's okay, because the other part
is guys argue in locker rooms about That's that's how
our sports shows are built. We'll get to what Daryl
Morey said about Lebron James, but that's the that's the
jumping off point for every argument in every barber shop
or even in locker rooms. And I'm still a Jordan guy.

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I'm a Lebron guy. Some people are still in the league,
are still be guys. They really are stats be damned.
They think what they think and there's no convincing them
of that. And Jalen Ramsey's point is like, look, I've
stared down the barrel of the gun of some of
these dudes, and this is what I think. I don't
think he did anything wrong. Matter of fact, I think

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he did everything right for the brand that he's trying
to build. Make no mistake about it. This is position dependent.
But at this position, there have been guys before him,
like Richard Sherman, who have built on one their ability
to not just talk it, but obviously walk walk it
as well, but then capitalizing it out from behind the

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face mask. I don't know how many of you, even
sports fans, knew what Jalen Ramsey looks like. He doesn't
have Richard Sherman's hair. The Jaguars have been the laughing
stock of the NFL for years since Mark Brunel's faded
off into the sunset like They have been a team

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that has continually shot themselves in the foot with draft
picks that have gone wrong, with quarterbacks that weren't good enough,
and now after just one year of being good one year,
suddenly they're the talk of the NFL. Why because Jalen
Ramsey is super, super talented. And here's the crazy part
about it. The guy on the opposite side, AJ Booyer,

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who you couldn't pick out of a lineup if there
was like one other dude in the lineup, like a J.
Booyer actually has a better sounding name like AJ Booyer,
Like that's just a great sounding He was created to
be something cool and something hip and something worth discussing.
AJ Booyer is. I mean, like Casey Hayward, Patrick Peterson.

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These are the best quarterbacks in the business, and Janlen
Ramsey is among them. But once you talk it, after
walking it, suddenly now you kind of elevate yourself to
a different sort of brand. We saw it with Dion Sanders.
He's capitalized on a time and again from the bling
he wore when he was in college, when he was

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prime time and look, Deon Sanders was also great. He's
inarguably the best cover corner in the history of the
National Football League. That's not for me, that's from guys
that play the sport. But he also is among the
world's greatest talkers. And even through all the mess of
off the field stuff and things that have gone on

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in his life that are just blamed bizarre, Deon Sanders
is still a major figure on TV. Why because the
image and brand that he created by saying things that
he thought and getting his message out there before the
days of social media. We see this in entertainment, right,
there was shared, there was Madonna and his Lady Gaga. Right,

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it's like the same plan Pink, even like Pink can sing,
Lady Gaga is an amazing musician. But you know, not
everybody can be Aretha Franklin, who passed away today at
the age of seventy six. Where you just have the goods,
you have the voice, you don't need all the dancers,
you don't need the huge show them. Who am I

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thinking of the British singer who Adele? Right, not everybody
can be Adele? Or like if you gone to it, Adele,
show my wife and daughters going to a Dell show,
or it's like just Adele and a microphone and a
stool and a glass of water, Like, not everybody can
do that, Not everybody has those type of goods. And
oh yeah, by the way, as incredibly well respected as

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Adele is, like, I don't know how long that lasts
as a stadium show in comparison to Madonna, to Lady
Gaga who somehow dramatically jumped off the roof of the
super Bowl and then still survived some bad cgi huh. Yes.
So the point is that Jalen Ramsey's just created himself

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a brand. He's achieved greatness in now the sudden America
knows who he is. Sure he's got He's gotta walk
it like he talks it. And Richard Sherman did, and
Richard Sherman benefited to the point where he's got other
TV commercials. It's getting out from behind the mask, getting
out from behind the shield. It's an incredibly difficult thing

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to do, but it's been done before. It's been done
in this very same fashion from this very same position.
Now is he right with all of them? I don't know.
I mean, how does he really know? How does he
really really know about some of these rookie quarterbacks that
he saw once on TV? Right Josh Allen didn't have

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glowing didn't have glowing run. He sucks. Like all right,
you saw Josh Allen in college Wyoming, and you're quoted
twice saying he played against Iowa State. It was actually
against Iowa, but I believe it's on the Big Ten network.
Thank you very much for walking watching one of the
Fox family and networks when you watch that game. So
sometimes he's talking out of his rectum, but that's what

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dudes do, and I am not bothered by it. This
is so much better than the coach speak or the
quarterback speak and the idea that you have respect and
admiration for every opponent. No, you don't. Oftentimes you can't.
Man on, dude, I can't wait till we play this
Dude's why because everybody's going to get their stats. I
can't wait till I play this guy because he's gonna

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throw a lollipop and I'm gonna pick it off. Also,
who listens to those interviews. I just tone out when
they start talking about stuff like that because I have
you in a million athletes, and as soon as they
start giving me a very like black and white answer,
I'm like, you're wasting my time. Man, yes, yes, like
there's there's you know, and I don't know if we
do it here, but one of the other places that
I've one of the other places that I've worked. You know,

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you should send out your show notes at the end
of the show. And like, man, we got Derek Jeter
on right, Like Derek Jeter unbelievable, or now you get
like Alex Rodriguez on like doesn't say anything anything anything
because their brand is their name, their performances. They just
I'm not gonna say anything because he doesn't hit my brand.

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Cornerbacks are different. Wide receivers are different. They can talk it,
they can whether back it up or they get burned.
It doesn't even matter. It does work if you're good enough,
it does work. Nobody's talking about Casey Hayward, who's just
as talented, just as elite, a guy who you're not
going to throw to his side of the football field

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for the Chargers. Or Patrick Peterson who's been the seven
Pro Bowls, three time All Pro and is by the way,
a really interesting dude. But I haven't heard his thoughts
on Russell Wilson, Jared Golf or even his own quarterbacks.
And oh yeah, by the way. I do love that
he didn't call out Blake Mortals, but he didn't actually

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throw loving gushing support. He'd do what he gotta do,
which uh, I do take for exactly as it's written,
as it reads as not exactly glowing praise and tells
you everything you need to know. You do what he
gotta do well? Put well put? So do I think

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people react to it negatively in locker room like no,
I don't know. I think he could have a target
on his pactice this season. I was one of the
guys that heat trashed. I'd be like, I got your number, now,
sure throw to him. That's what he wants, That's what
what do you think they weren't they like the idea,
This is the this is the team, the guy guaranteeing

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a victory. What you don't think You think any athlete
ever thought he walked into an NFL game or an
NBA game not thinking they're gonna win a game. Of
course they do. Of course they do. You have a
targets back. He's not a rookie. He's really really good.
He's really really good. Now again, yes, our guy's gonna
laugh at him if he gets burned if he gets
sure they can talk trash to him. If that's one

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of the quarterbacks that he says isn't very good, Matt
Ryan doesn't. He thinks he's overrated. Sure, but there is
the chance that everybody knows he's really good. You throw
it in his direction, he's going to take it to
the house and there'll be that the confirmation of everything
he said. All right long with Rachel Benetta, I'm Doug
Gottliebe up coming next. Darryl Morey says it's not even close.

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his own yard where I come on, I've been to
his house. There is he a little bit of a
yard in the backyard shrubs. There are some shrubs. But
I do not think he's got the Edward scissor hands
thing going in the back of all. Oh, he was
up in Canada. He was up in Europe where he
was a whistler. And I only know it's not because
I'm stalking him. Beautiful, he tweeted out, and it was beautiful.

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Yesterday I was at the beach because I had the
cowherd schedule. Without speaking for your selfish today, I'm like, man,
this is great. This is a living right And he's like, yeah,
I'm up in Whistler. I was like, well, I'm aout
the beach him my little guy. Um anyway, so calhard
up up in Whistler. He'll be back, uh start of
next week. The other voice you're hearing is out of
the lovely in talent to Rachel Bonetta. We'll get to

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her with the news in a second. Speaking of news there,
I'm more he kind of made some news yesterday. He
was on the Dan Patrick Show on Fox Sports Radio,
and he had this to say on why he believes
Lebron James is the best basketball player ever. You just
look at his ability to generate wins and championship probability

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over time and basically break that down. And obviously you
don't have to, you don't need all the numbers. You
can watch as well and see that. But if you
if you basically isolate that and also look at the
career he's had, you know, frankly, I think it's at
this point it's become a bit of a big margin
actually where he's come out ahead. I know that's a
little controversial. Yeah, no, Listen, he's very matter of fact

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in the way in which he says Lebron James is
the greatest ever by a sizable margin. That the problem
with that is it takes away from the idea that
the sport hasn't completely changed. Stat Guy in baseball might
work long term, right, even though they change the height
of the mound. Of course, there was a time in
which there was the color barrier in baseball. But stats

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you can translate because generally the rules, even though the
strike zone has changed evolved, the distance of the fences,
the equipment. It's still would bats, it's still a baseball.
I do think they fly more, but that's one of
the things the steroid era destroyed, which was the historical
basis of baseball. Because there's this massive spike in the
minute spike and then all of a sudden back down

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and now back on kind of similar trends from years past.
Basketball is different. It's a completely different sport than it
was five years ago, ten years ago. I pointed this
out earlier in the week. But one of the things
that people miss on in discussing why Darryl Morey was

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able to win that trade with the Oklahoma City Thunder
and land James Harden was because the Thunder would not
part with Serge Ibaka, And in hindsight, that seems to
be the dumbest decision in the history of the sport.
Right Serge Ibaka or James Harden. It ain't even close.
Kendrick Perkins are they acquired where James Harden? It ain't

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even close. Forget about the luxury tax. The point was
at that point in time, in order to win an
NBA championship, you had to beat the Lakers, and the
Lakers at Pau Gasol and Andrew Bynham and Pau Gasol
and Andrew Binhem would never play at the end of
an NBA Finals or NBA Conference Finals game at all
for the Rockets or for the worst. You couldn't have

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him on the court. The way the sport is played
now you want to host. The sport has changed. Here
you go. Charles Barkley had a team in ninety two,
ninety three, two ninety three playing for Paul Westfall that
led the league in scoring and that also had the
best record in the West. They won sixty two games, right,

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scored one hundred and thirteen points a game for the season.
They shot one thousand and ninety five threes one ninety
five threes. Last year's Houston Rockets all right. Last year's
Using Rockets finished with the best record in the NBA.
They also, by the way, won sixty five games. They

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were the number two scoring team in the league. They
averaged one hundred and twelve point four, slightly below that
LA Phoenix Suns. They shot three thousand, four hundred and
seventy threes, more than three times as many threes. The
sport has completely changed. And so while he's saying like Look,
I'm a stat guy. I'm dealing with win probability. First

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of all, Lebron has been in the Eastern Conference, and
we could go through a time and again, but it's
basically a JV conference during the eight years, and he
played on a super team when he was in Miami.
It wasn't just that the conference was down. It was
that he took Chris Bosh from Toronto, a playoff team,
and added him to Duane Wade's franchise that had won

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an NBA Finals, and then also destroyed Cleveland, who was
a sixty win team. Right, They destroyed Cleveland, destroyed Toronto,
and built up a super team in Miami as Boston
was aging, and then eventually added Ray Allen as well. Right,
so you play with a stacked deck against a bunch

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of minnows where the Sharks are in the West. Look
for me, it's not that I'm not mobile. Off of
the Jordan is the greatest ever point. Jordan is the
best player. But there's all kinds of different parts of
the stats to which they skew to help Lebron. He
didn't go to college, so he had three years on
Jordan that Jordan could never get back. Jordan retired after

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winning a championship, So you had a season in his
prime and really a season and a half. And no,
he didn't win a championship when he came back from
playing play baseball, and he looked like a guy who
had been playing baseball when they lost to the Miami Heat.
But the idea that it's us, that's the same stance
that people take when they go well Jordan, six finals, wins,

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no losses, six finals, MVP has to be the goat.
Basketball has never been about purely about the stats because
and this is where basketball and football are more like
than basketball and baseball are. Stats have changed completely changed
over the last ten years. A great season for an

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NFL quarterback used to be three thousand yards. Right now
it's four thousand yards. And even I think three years
ago we had what fourteen quarterbacks that did for four
thousand yards. You can go win probability. That's great, but
similar to the Patriots, if you're playing against a division
in which you're almost guaranteed to have I don't know,

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five wins a year, that propels you closer to that
double digit win total. Look, you can tell me that
Lebron is the greatest ever because he's gotten to all
these consecutive finals, and you look at how he carried
a team that wasn't a top seed to you of
the past couple of years to the NBA Finals and
they came back from three games to one down to

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the Warriors. That's fine, you can say that, But if
you want to say, well, it's like win probability. Look,
the difference between Lebron and Jordan and even Bird or
Magic to actual basketball people is the simple concept of
you give a guy the ball. You give the best
player at the end of a game wants the ball,
has the ball, and is willing to take and make

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the big shot. And there are times in Lebron's career
to which he would prefer to facilitate then to get
it done himself. Some of that did change this year
out of necessity, out of necessity, and that's why you
can come off of that the Jordan point. If you want,
let's see what he does in the West. Granted he's
not in his prime anymore. Let's see what the wind

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probability here, what the wind total is here. Because if
you do take wins, you also have to take losses.
He did lose it all those finals, and he wasn't
always the number one seed in the regular season. That
did happen. He is responsible for the losses if you
give him sponsibility for the wins, I would still list Jordan.

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He can go with Lebron. I don't think it's a
big gap because he's using his stats to back it up.
Because if you use stats to back it up, shouldn't
have his stats. The Rockets were right to shoot and
miss twenty seven consecutive three point shots. Those same stats
that tell you, at the end of the day we

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will win playing this style haven't proven to be true.
You still do need midrain jump shots, you still do
need post ups. That still is the way to win
at times in the NBA stats Be damned. It's not
the end all be all in basketball in football as
opposed to how it might be in baseball. Let's get
to Rachel Padetta with the news. No, no, this is

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the herd line news, Doug. I think I already know
the answer to this, But are you watching Hard Knocks? Absolutely,
I am obsessed. I love the fact that we can
hear about all these headlines happening during the Can we
know that it's going to be in the episode next Tuesday.
This is the headline today. Brown's head coach Hugh Jackson
has indicated that Drew stan could be back up over

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Baker Mayfield. Listen to this. I've said from the beginning.
You know again, I think experience is important. So right now,
Drew still has that experience, and we'll see how that
all unfolds as we go. I know what you're asking.
I haven't made that choice just yet, but I think
his veteran presence says a lot. You know, he's playing

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a lot of games. I guess a lot of teams
we're gonna start off against and play again. So I
think that's important to definitely consider. Experience is important. We saw,
like episode one, they had to earn their stripes on
their helmet. Right, it's dumb just because the helmets look
a lot better with the stripes. Okay, but do you
think that this is the right call, sitting him out,
having him learn earn said stripes. I don't think that's

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I honestly don't think that's what this is about. I
don't think it's about how good you are. I think
people don't understand. We're gonna talk about this with Eric
Mangini in a moment. I don't think people understan and
the job of the backup quarterback. The job of the
backup quarterback is not to necessarily be better than every
other quarterback, right. The job of the backup quarterback is
to make the starter better. And you make the starter
better with your knowledge of who you're playing and how

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to play against them. So I think that's a big decision.
They clearly don't want to play Baker. They just don't.
John Dorsey didn't play Pat Mahomes last year until week seventeen.
I think that's the plan. The only question is because
he's the number one overall pick, can you get away
with it if the Browns don't play well? And are
you going to carry three quarterbacks? Yeah? And he played
great against the Giants in my opinion, right in the

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preseason game. Yeah, I mean, yep, so did Tyrod. It's
to Rod Taylor. By the way, apparently we were changing pronunciation.
Who knew was Tarrod Tay? It like right like this
is this is there was a kid from Gonzaga, Gonzaga,
Derek Rivio. That was Ravio. Jon Rondo's changed to the prince.
Pronunciation of his name several times. Anyway to Rod Taylor

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actually played better. Nobody he played well. He's Baker Mayfield,
he played five years in large football. He should be
good week one the preseason. So you think he's making
the right decision. If he doesn't, it's complicated. We'll discuss.
We'll discuss. Moving on Eagles. Patriots play tonight preseason game,
first time they've met since the Super Bowl. Eagles have

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gifted the Patriots a nice little welcome to their stadium
if we can pull up this billboard that's hanging out
in Foxborough. So if you notice closely, you can see
the score forty one to thirty three. And you got
Jason Kelsey at the parade in that wild outfit. I
think this is just something to laugh at. If Patriots

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are driving into their stadium and they see this, I
think they just laugh it off. Also, Boston sports fans
are so passionate. Who owns that billboard? Who would rent
out that space to the Eagles? I think that's mystery.
Business is a little bit harder than he used to be.
I don't know, I've heard billboard businesses, but harder than

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you used to be. I mean, like, look, if you're
willing to pay for it. You're willing to pay for it.
It is a like you bought a billboard for the
preseason though, and oh yeah, by the way, yes, you
won the game. Pay you got. You got a little
catching up to do if you want to get to
the paths like it's like, it's okay, I'm fascinated to see.
We talked about this a little yesterday. It's gonna be
different going into everybody's stadium as the defending champions. It's

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going to be different playing against a first place schedule.
These things are different than the Pats have lived and
done this for over a decade and a half. Let's
see how the Eagles react to year two now being
the hunt did as opposed to the Hunter. And then finally,
Genie Boss, Lakers owner was on the Rich Eisen Show
talking about signing Lebron James. Listen to this. It felt

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like a familiar feeling that when we got Shaquille O'Neal
as a free agent in nineteen ninety six. It kind
of felt the same way. The idea that you know,
Lebron one chose to come to the Lakers, that he
knows what we're building, that he wanted to be a
part of what we're doing shows. It validates the work

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that Magic Johnson and Rob Polinka have done to kind of,
you know, turn the tide for the team. Can owners
be put in the Hall of Fame? I mean, if
you look at Jeanie Buzz, She's had Shaquille O'Neal, Kobe Bryant,
now Lebron James, all of these crazy guys. It's amazing. Well,
you know, obviously her dad, her dad put her in

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charge of the business side, and then she had to
dust off her brother that was running this thing kind
of off the road. So look, I love steering the
ship back. She is steering the ship back. But more importantly, like, look,
she empowered Magic, she empowered Rob Polinka and and as
as much as Magic, as much as Magic gets some
credit for the Dodgers thing, it was more the other

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people that Magic had running the Dodgers that you know,
they they they went out and made it, made a
huge trade to get Adrian Gonzalez, took on some salary,
but also rebuilt their farm system. Right, That's kind of
the same plan that Rob Polinka has used here with
the Lakers, where yeah, their plan was a free up
cap space. But they also have all these young players

(29:11):
that the Kyle Kuzma's, that Josh Hartz, the Lonzo Balls.
You know, they had the inherited brandon ingram of the world,
you know, So you're building on two different sides of it.
So like the plan has been executed before in the
City of Angels. Dodgers haven't won the World Series, but
got to Game seven last year. So I look, I
think that she's along the right path. You still need

(29:32):
a little bit of luck now, but she's comparing him
to Shaquille Nil who won three championships, right. Kareem also
came over when Jack n Cook was the owner, Like
that's part of the Lakers deal, is like the Lakers
allow somebody else to build you up and then take
you away. And but do you think she's already kind
of putting the pressure on Lebron James. There's already pressure
on the Bron James. There's always pressure on the Brunyame. Well,
just I mean, yeah, but Lebron comes to the Lakers,

(29:54):
there's expectations of winning a championship. Period stopped right, I
don't think I don't think there's any un untild pressure.
Um and that's uh Rachel Banna with the news. Well
that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the Herd
Line news. Did Jalen Ramsey cross the line with his
quarterback comments? We'll find out from our resident, former head

(30:16):
coach of the Browns and the Jets, man Genius Eric
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(30:36):
caustic Rachel Bonetta. I don't know what you're talking about.
Banetta throwing things at me during the break in in
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And how many coffees are you are? Your coffee? You're
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(30:58):
me dial up that thing. There we go. He's a
force multiplier. Actually, he brought the term force multiplier to
modern day cable television. He's Eric Mangini. He joins us
here in the herd. Jalen Ramsey sat down with a
GQ writer, got super comfortable and just went through quarterbacks
and game a line on each one of them. As

(31:19):
a as a long time former coach in this league
and a former head coach in this league. What's your reaction? Yeah,
I was unimpressed by it. I don't know why you
need to do that. I can't imagine that Tom Coughlin
was very happy with it, or Doug Marron was very
happy with it. I don't see the value. It seemed
like one of those things where maybe he started talking

(31:42):
the interview and then just got on some sort of role.
But I've coached a lot of really good cornerbacks, really
talented guys, and they never felt the need to attack
somebody else. They may talk about how good they are,
but it was never about, you know, being a GM
or talent evaluator and talking about everybody else. No, but

(32:04):
this is this is the talk of the locker room,
isn't isn't it? Though? Like, didn't he give us a
glimpse into it? Again? It's not. There's no analytics, there's
no true analysis. There it's just first thing you think of.
This does give us a glimpse into how dudes actually
talk if they didn't have a filter, doesn't it. Well,
I don't know if guys are sitting around talking like
that and talking about the range of players in the league,

(32:25):
maybe they're talking about their Madden ratings and disagreeing with
things like that. But it seemed a little bit more
malicious than just casual locker room talk about how you
feel about one guy or another guy. How do you
manage it when it feels like some guy, somebody's trying
to make themselves into a personality, right, Like, Look, Dion

(32:46):
Sanders did this, and obviously he was successful in a
football field, but he also used it for his second
life afterwards. Durell Reefs has used this, and you know
he's become he has he has ads on TV. Look,
he can drove I'm not Drell Rivera. Sorry. Shoot. Richard Sherman.
Richard Sherman has done this, He's got ads on TV. Like,

(33:07):
some of this does feel like, Hey, I'm gonna make
myself into a personality for financial gain outside of the
world of football. How do you manage that when you're
a coach? Your member front office. Yeah. I get that
guys want to improve their brand and the rise of
social media and all those things, and I'm I'm fine
with that, But there's I don't know how many advertisers

(33:28):
are that excited about someone who feels the need to
tear other people down. Dione, to me, was a guy
who talked about himself and his ability and their people
can really relate or admire someone with extreme self confidence.
That that to me is a great trait, and it's
great trade for a quarterback. I don't think attacking other

(33:51):
people is necessarily that that same trade. Sometimes that's a
characteristic of insecurity. In terms of managing it, you you
know what you're getting typically when you draft most guys,
and if they have the tendency to do that, you
can't be surprised when they do that. Now, I'm imagine
that they'll sit down and talk with them about it

(34:12):
and talk about the team's perspective on it and why
they don't like it. Now. Whether or not that's enough,
or it happens again, I don't know. I would imagine
it will happen again. Let's let's go to Cleveland Browns, which,
again another team that's they won one game last two years.
I do think they have enough talent to be better.
In matter of fact, they bring into Rod Taylor, who

(34:34):
help lead the Bills to the playoffs last year. He's
their starting quarterback. There's been discussions now all of a
sudden from Hugh Jackson about maybe Drew Stanton as the
backup quarterback. How much of this comes down to how
good Baker Mayfield is butch or how much of it
comes down to what you actually need in a backup quarterback. Well,
right now, I wouldn't put any merit into anything in

(34:57):
terms of a depth chart at this point in preseason.
It's more of a rep chart. You're trying to make
sure that you get guys enough work in different spots.
It'd be unbelievable to me if Baker Mayfield wasn't the
number two. And ideally, what you're looking for from your
backup quarterback as a guy that can go in and
run the same system that the starter runs and not

(35:17):
have to change what the other ten guys are doing.
And ideally it's a guy who who is young, who
is emerging, who is learning, which you know Baker is
going to be in there sooner rather than later. I
don't know how long Tyrod will last there? Yeah, how
hard is that is that to not play a guy
who's a number one overall pick, Like John Dorsey can

(35:39):
tell us, hey, you know, I didn't play Pat Mahomes.
We didn't play Pat Mahomes last year in Kansas City.
That's the tenth pick. This the number one pick in
the in the draft, and you're Cleveland. It's won one
game the last two years. The fans need hope, Like,
how hard is it to sit a guy even if
you have all the good intentions at heart and you
have a capable starter into Tyrod Taylor as the starter. Well,

(36:02):
it's the same situation that they're facing in New York
with Sam Darnold. The owner came out and said that
this guy is a franchise changing quarterback and you don't
need to be a GM or a head coach to
recognize great talent. Sam's gonna start. He's gonna start sooner
rather than later. And it's the same thing with Baker.
You you took him over number one overall. Ownership's gonna

(36:22):
want to see him play. The city of Cleveland is
gonna want to see him play, and season tickets are down,
the amount of people that go to the games are down,
and an exciting young player like that that gets people
back into the stadium, and that's important to the organization,
it's important to the owners. Huge and interesting guy, right,

(36:43):
Guys generally like him, and he's seen, as he thinks
himself as a quarterback whisperer because he's the one that
got any Dalton to be, you know, a higher level
than expected quarterback in Cincinnati. But you got two real
vivid personalities with Todd Haley and Greg Leams as as
the coordinators, and then you have Hugh trying to be

(37:04):
player friendly at the top. What's your thought of the
personalities and how it's structured at the top of the
Cleveland Browns coaching staff. I've never been accused of being
player friendly, so that's a little bit less relatable to me.
But I do think that the most important things that
you're you're true to whatever your personality is. So the

(37:24):
most important things you get the guys ready to play,
they're prepared, that they understand why you're doing the things
that you're doing, and however you do it, it's in
a sincere way. So if that's Hugh's way, I'm all
for it now. Typically with coaches, if if he's a
player's coach and it doesn't work out, the next guy
they're gonna go get is going to be a disciplinarian.

(37:46):
And when you have a disciplinarian and that doesn't work out,
you go and get a players coach. And sometimes those
at oftentimes those labels are misleading. You just need to
be the coach that's sincere and honest and true to
had true to himself. We're going to see the Patriots tonight,
UM taken on the Philadelphia Eagles rematch sort of the

(38:07):
super Bowl, even though it's preseason UM. Last year they
didn't have really enough playmakers defensively, and they found a
way to make it work and get to a super Bowl,
nearly win a super Bowl offensively. This year, not gonna
have Edelman first four games, They've already cut two wide
receivers expected to contribute. What are your thought on just
that the talent that the Patriots have in relation to

(38:28):
the talent of other teams in the top the AFC,
Well they have the most important talent. They have Tom Brady.
So that's that's the starting point. They retained Josh McDaniels.
They retained Dante Scarnecki. The offensive line coaches they still
have have Bill And there's been a history there of
players that become household names when when they go to

(38:50):
New England or when they get a chance to play
in New England. I remember early on we had David
Patton and David Gibbons and nobody knew who those guys
were and they ended up helping us win Super Bowl.
So Tom has a way of making those guys into
names that we all appreciate and and recognize that. It's

(39:11):
it's about the scheme. It's about doing the right thing,
being in the right place, and if you do. Tom's
the most selfless quarterback in the league. He'll get you
the ball if you're not in the right spot, regardless
of how much talent you have. We saw that with
Chad Johnson. You're not going to get the ball and
it's not gonna work. Yeah, couldn't line up in the
right spot, so they couldn't keep him no matter how
talented he was that given time. Last thing, Gronk did

(39:33):
an interview, he said he never spent a penny of
his NFL money. It's all been endorsements, how much of
the grunk meathead thing is an act? I don't think.
I think that's a guy who's true to his personality.
I think that that Gronk is who Gronk is. Now.
Will it get exaggerated at times? I'm sure it gets
somewhat exaggerated, And there's a different way that you can

(39:54):
play to your brand or market or be a personality.
Gronk does it in a way that's that's not negative,
and a lot of people really enjoy it. And I
think he may play it up more than than you
know what it truly is. But I do think there's
some sincerity into what we see from him. Yeah, I
would say the same thing with Bill though right like

(40:15):
like Bill, Bill, Bill has a personality there. He may
not let it out. He stays on brand, especially at
the days the press conferences, but he plays it up
there a little bit as well. Eric, thanks so much
for joining us. Go ahead a good time. I was
just gonna say with it. With Bill, he's he's His
philosophy has always been with the media. If I win,

(40:35):
they can't touch me, and if I lose, they can't
save me. So he's not really interested in promoting any
brand he's interested in saying as least the least amount
that he can possibly say and and protect the advantage
that he has in terms of what the Patriots are
going to do. But at personality out field, Yeah, he
definitely has that. But you know what you're getting up

(40:58):
there is he's just not helping anybody in the media ever.
All right, last thing, quickly, I got thirty seconds. The
rookie quarterback you've been most impressed by is who. I
can't even go there yet. With two weeks into the
we're going to the second game of the preseason. There's
no coverages, there's no game planning, there's very little offensively.

(41:20):
I'd say next week is the week that you really
start to get a glimpse of who these guys are.
And yeah, I don't have a from runner yet. All Right,
he puns, He punts on his first opportunity to go
for Yeah, yeah, it was fourth and twelve. All right,
thank you for for the most part multiplying our forces.
Appreciate you and Eric, all right, thanks Eric Manginie force multiplier,

(41:43):
former Jets, former Cleveland head coach, going strong saying I'm
gonna wait till next week, which is actually smart because
you do have to see more when people get more
of a book on him. I'm I have a thought
on the backup quarterback. It's a job to which I
don't think anyone knows what it really heal. We'll share
that with you up coming next in the Herd. Be

(42:03):
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(42:24):
for raging as part of your day alongside the talented
and tattooed Rachel Vanetta. I said, Rachel, why don't you
get a sleeve of tattoos. You can be that tattooed chicks.
You're like, I already am the tattooed chicks on Fox
Fox Sports, and I can hide them when I want. Yes,
it's the it's the plus. Yes you can. You can
do smelly pits and hide them. Right. I won't do that,
but yes I could. Rachel. Rachel Vanetta who's who's one

(42:49):
of three potentially visible tattoos she regrets, Right, that's a
thirty three percent. There's just one bad one that I
think is very dumb. Listen, and I'm not gonna show
he's very He was very nice at the time, and
it was literally like a word perfect. He's like, oh,
what do you want? And I said the word and
he's just like, okay, just let me type it up
real quick, like word perfect, whatever aerial font or cursive font,

(43:13):
printed it out, put it on my body, and I
regret it. I'm glad that's the one you disupposed to
the huge Jesus tattoo on your back. I thought that
when you would totally with Rachel Bonetta join us here
in the herd um Okay, So I don't. I think
there are certain jobs in this world to which people

(43:36):
believe they know what that job entails and they actually
have no idea, no idea. I remember I was I
was at one of the other places I worked at
and it was NBA draft day and there was a kid, uh,
Kendall Marshall. I think it's just that Kendall Marshall played

(43:56):
North Carolina, very good point guard. North Carolina and I
still and this is not a contradiction I contend to
this day. It's in two thousand and twelve, right when
that one Kentucky won the national title. Twenty twelve, Kentucky
win a national title. Had Kendall Marshall not gotten hurt
broke his wrist against Creighton in the second round of

(44:17):
the NCAA tournament. Had he not gotten hurt, I believe
that the Carolina was the better team. They played Kentucky
at Kentucky lost in the last second shot or had
a last second shot to win the game. And though
both teams have improved, I thought North Carolina was going
to be the better team and Kentucky never played them anyway.
It was draft day and I said, hey, look, I

(44:40):
wouldn't draft Kennel Marshall at all, and he was viewed
as a lottery pick or first round talent. And my
logic behind it was I didn't think he was good
enough to be a starter because he wasn't a great athlete.
He couldn't guard anybody, he wasn't a good great shooter.
But more than anything, if it didn't work out as
a starter, I didn't think he was good enough to
be a starter. He couldn't be a backup point guard.

(45:02):
And what happens in people's minds is they think they're like, well,
you're not good enough to be starter. Why couldn't you
be a backup? If you're just this much not you're
just this close to being, you know, end of the
league starter. Well, that's because the job of a backup
point guard is completely different than the job of a starter. Now, look,
I end up being right. It was helped out by
the fact that Kenna Marshall tours ACL and never really

(45:24):
recovered from it. But he wasn't a good NBA player.
He just wasn't. And the reason was I couldn't find
a place for him because he can't be a backup.
Is RG three had the exact same problem like RG three,
and I think he has the same problem in Baltimore.
Like RG three does look like a guy who can
still play football in the NFL could still potentially be

(45:44):
maybe a spot starter. But the problem is that the
job of a there's only there's two types of backups
in the NFL. Two one is the future starter, right,
And that's what a Baker Mayfield would be. If a
Sam Darnold would was one or at Josh Allen to
which you learn from the starter and you just get
ready for your day. But that window is only really

(46:08):
a first year or two years in the league, really,
I mean, that's that's it. You know, maybe it grows,
but you only get that when you have a solidified starter.
But the true backup quarterback, these these these Scott Tolzines
of the world that aren't really good enough to be startings, Like,
why do they survive? It's because the job is different.

(46:33):
I listened to what Hugh Jackson said about Drew Stanton
and the potential for Drew Stanton to technically be the
number two quarterback in Cleveland, and that's what it reminded
me of. To take a listen. I've said from the beginning.
You know again, I think experience is important. So right
now Drew still has that experience, and we'll see how

(46:55):
that all unfolds as we go. I know what you're asking.
I haven't made that that aays just yet, but I
think his veteran presence says a lot. You know, he's
playing a lot of games. I guess a lot of
teams we were gonna start off against and play against.
So I think that's important to definitely consider. So people
will freak out and say, wait a second, Drew Stanton
is better than our number one overall pick. That's that's

(47:17):
not what he said. Did he ever say there is
anything about talent. No. What he's saying is like, look,
we're playing a bunch of teams at the start of
the year, and Drew Stanton's got the book on those teams.
He knows how to prepare. He knows how to get
whether it's to Rod Taylor or whether it's Baker Mayfield,
knows how to get them ready. I I hearken back,

(47:38):
and I don't often hearken back, but Rachel on this
on this Thursday, I am harkening back. I don't even
know what that means. Um, Well, the harken back is
to look back, to think back to remember, I remember
my millennial ears. Don't understand right this. You've been on
your phone the whole time. That's not treating exacting Facebook Live.
Actually I I and your friends Sorry, sorry, it's millennial,

(47:59):
your and IG Live. You get your own IG broadcast. Guy,
go on. I hearkened back to something that Derek Carr said.
I think it was last year. This is Derek Carr
telling the story about when he was named the starter
his first year in Oakland. He told me that day
that I was going to be the starter, asked me
if I was ready. I said, yeah, I'm ready, you know.

(48:20):
And the next day I walked in to watch film
and Shob is sitting there. He shakes my hand, he said, congratulations.
He said, obviously, you know I'm mad. You know, I
think that I should be playing in those things. And
I don't think he worded it that way. I'm just saying,
but he said, whatever you need, I got your back,
whatever you need, I want you to know out to

(48:40):
anybody in this building, I have your back. And from
that point forward he proved it every single day. He
was never rooting against me. He had never wished ill will.
All he did was helped me and teach me how
to play quarterback as a professional. Right, this is Matt
Shop pick six, mattch Shop. Right. Max Schob, who was
he was the backup in Atlanta, became the starter Houston

(49:00):
and then all of a sudden he got in this
stretch there Greg two. He of course remembers it well.
He hearkens back to the days when Matt shob was
throwing touchdown passes again and again for the wrong team,
right too, Hey, what was it was like? Six games
in six Yes, it was perfect, six games with a
pick six. It's really remarkable where it's like one of those.
It's like one of those, Uh you got Joe DiMaggio's

(49:22):
hit streak pales in comparison to it. It takes a level,
it takes a level of of SUCA to that we
have not seen before or since to throw a pick
six and keep your job in six straight games. Anyway,
Matt Shobs a pros pro. He became a true backup.

(49:43):
He understood, like look, a backup point guard. Backup point
guard doesn't play like a starter. A backup point guard
has to change the pace of the game. You actually
have to be many times the opposite of your starting
point guard. You have to press full court. They want
you to change, They want you to change the dynamic offensively,
change the dynamic defensively. You gotta be a little bit tougher,

(50:06):
a little bit crazy, because you're missing something talent wise
that keeps you from being a starter. So if you're
a backup point guard, you either come in and you're
Jamal Crawford and you just try and get buckets, like
don't care about anything, or you're the Matthew Dellavedovas of
the world, right who all you just you make life
a living hell for the other team's backup point guard.

(50:30):
It's the same thing in the NFL. Like the NFL,
the backup quarterbacks only job is to get the starter ready. Again,
unless you're that future guy that you're just you're not
really a backup, you're just the starter. They haven't named
the starter yet. So when you see it, when you hear, hey,
Drew start Stanton might be the backup to start the year,
it's not because they don't think that Baker Mayfield's good.
It's that Baker Mayfield can bring nothing to the table

(50:53):
to help to Rod Taylor get ready for week one.
He just can't. There's nothing he can say. He can't
say like, oh, that time we were playing Iowa State,
I did this, Like that doesn't help me at all,
doesn't help. And then look, there are just jobs in sports,
hell their jobs in life that I don't think people
truly appreciate what they are, you know, and that they

(51:14):
don't they don't necessarily mean that you can well you know,
in television, I'm told the AD position, the assistant director position,
is really really important. The director talks to the camera people,
picks the shots, and it's how you look on TV.
But the AD kind of sets the table so that
the director looks good. Doesn't mean that the AD will

(51:34):
eventually be a director. I'm sure most everyd thinks to
will eventually be a director or a producer or whatever.
But it all it means their job is incredibly important.
But it's not the same job as the director. It's
just not. The backup quarterback is not the same job
as the starter. And so I don't freak out when
I hear that from Hugh Jackson. I think Hugh Jackson's

(51:55):
lived understands this league and Todd as much as Todd
has been an offensive, Quarding has been a head coach.
You know what, he hasn't in this league. He hadn't
been a quarterback in this league, whereas Drew Stanton has
use him for all the information to prepare him and
then like eventually when Baker Mayfield becomes the starter, which
is merely a formality, what happens in week one or

(52:18):
week fifteen, or doesn't happen until next year. Then you
hope that Tyrod Taylor can either be that guy or
you have Drew Stanton to be the consummate backup only
trying to help the guy, only trying to help the starter,
which again is my fear for RG three, and it's
the reason that Con Kaepernick is not a backup in
this league. This is I implore you. If you cover

(52:39):
the NFL and you're one of these guys that is
so woke that you watch these backup quarterbacks, you like,
he sucks, he sucks, he sucks. Why isn't Kaepernick's better?
Kaepernick is? But nobody's arguing Kaepernick is better? Is there
the protest part? And that's gotten in black balled. Sure,
that's part of it, but part of it is his personality.
The reason he lost his job in San Francisco to

(53:01):
begin with was he wasn't about everybody else, had his
headphones on, was about himself. And then when you when
he goes and meets with Seattle last year, they even
said he's just he's a starting quarterback. The translation to
that is he's not about getting Russell Wilson ready, He's
not about He's not about what can I do to
make Russell Wilson look good, or to make any other

(53:22):
start to look good. You factor in that with the protest,
with the idea that uh, you know, Twitter might explode,
not if you sign him, but then if you cut him.
You factor all those things in and you're like, oh, well,
that's why he's not a backup. It's not because he's
not any good. And now he hadn't played football of
the seen a year and a half. They started running
out the clock on him a little bit. All coming

(53:44):
to him next Dak Prescott had lost his mind, lost
his mind? Casual? Huh casual? Casual? Lost his mind? Is
that a millennial word? Is that? I'm not catching out?
But how casual fits? Dak Prescott losing his mind? Just
the way that you said it, Dak, it was a
casual tease. Listen, I'll teach you everything. Stick with me. Also,

(54:08):
hate the fact that he said woke. Can we cross
that off the list? Why come on now, it's already
woke is jumped the jumped the jump jump the shark
for you? Yeah? Really I think so. But when I
say when I say mediate, people say woke. I didn't
say you did, But I'm describing people as woke people.
You know, there are people who all they do is

(54:29):
troll social media all day for something that will somehow
offend them and automatically respond without any context, without any
knowledge of the situation. Right, those are the people that
are woke. Okay, it's a fair description. This was me
when you said woke. Note to self, don't say woke.

(54:49):
Find a new word, Dak Prescott, do you want me
to do less casual? Lost his Okay, there we go.
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twenty fourth. Nate Robinson perfect example. We talked about you
know where he gets. He was a really good backup
point guard because he could change the pace because he
could press, he could score, He'd go get buck as
he just wasn't really a starter, whereas Baron Davis was

(56:42):
a starter, was an all star. Kind of completely different
makeup of player. Baron Davis I think could have been
a superstar in the NBA. It was a star. Could
have been a superstar in the NBA. Sometimes some weight issues,
the knee. I thought of Ucla, he was still a
great players Austin to watch him with the Big Three.
Can't wait to see who's in the championship, which is
in Brooklyn next week on Fox next week on Fox,

(57:03):
So Dallas tomorrow next week on on Fox from Brooklyn.
Big Three is a hoot. Huh. It's a thing. We're
gonna trade spaces and I'm gonna say something like hoot. Yeah,
but that's one of the oldest one. Shit is a
fight at donnie Brook now the Big It's a lot
of fun. Though I covered it last summer. It was.
It was a good time. Yes, yeah, Big Freezer, it's

(57:26):
a hoot. Ah yeah. That was a fight over idea
brave game yesterday a real Donny Brook broke out and
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(57:47):
confident car buying experience. Um, what's your brand, Rachel? I
think your brand is uh sarcasm? Your brand is You're
definitely your brand is millennial? Um? Like, honestly, like, what's
your brand? What's my brand? Uh? Is it cheesy? If
I just say like real real? I just try to

(58:09):
keep it real. I've try to keep it real. That's
why I don't like. That's why I don't continue to
use words like woke, right, Like, oh, that's a word
that you would that millennials won't use. Guess what, I'm
not a millennial. I'm not gonna right, I'm not gonna
grow a beard and roll up my roll up my
jeans and um and live in Brooklyn. That's not what
I'm gonna do because I'm not a millennial. Yeah, I
suppose I am very much a millennial. Yes, were you

(58:32):
born in this millennium? Do you want to know what
year I was born? I don't know, But isn't that
the definition of millennial? What's the definition it goes to?
Like the eighties millennial goes back to Yeah, like, technically
I'm thirty two, I'm happy birthday again. We wish you
happy birthday yesterday. Technically a millennial, but I'm not at
all a millennial. Wait, so what is the actual definition

(58:53):
of millennial? Well, adre just twenty two to thirty six.
So do the map with the years I've missed out?
And one of my generation, my gen gen X, is
that what it was gen X before it was millennial? Yeah?
Is it gonna flip back over? It is like the
next one gonna be gen A, Like I would just
start back over. How does it? Honestly, how does that work? Like?

(59:15):
When do we run out of generations? I have no idea.
I don't either. After millennials is going to be something crazy?
What is the Where does millennial come from? Millennial? You
came of age in the in the two thousands? Is
that what it is? Probably coming It's a coming of
age tale? Is that what it is? I guess it's
a coming of age tale. Millennials, by the way, super
into friends, which my gen kind of kind of kind

(59:35):
of calls that's like, that's like our deal and a
little bit older than media. Into Friends the show. Yes,
I think it's a number one downloaded show on Netflix.
What yes, I mean, I love Friends. I do too.
Your own favorite episode, favorite episode? I think the last
one when Rachel goes to Paris Ross. It's like, Rachel,
we have really gotten off topic here, we have really

(59:57):
gotten off topic. It's okay. The point was actually the
fact that we get off topic. And your your Canadian
wit and humor, your realness is your brand, which is
kind of actually what I wanted to get to with
Rob Gronkowski. I don't know if you guys saw this,
but Gronk did a sit down interview with us what
is it called the Undisputed That that was called uninterrupted, Sorry,

(01:00:21):
we have undisputed. I didn't know if they copied the
name whatever. Uninterrupted. Uninterrupted is a really weird name anyway.
Does it feels like a double negative even though it's
not a double negative? Is it a double I don't know.
And he was to take a listen. He was talking
about the rumor or the story out there that he

(01:00:42):
has never spent a dime of the money he actually
made in the national Football League. It's interesting you talked
about once that you only spend money from endorsements. You
hadn't touched in your NFL contract money. Is that's still true.
It's still true. Yeah. If you see my NFL money,
well how much I may I got way more than that, baby. Yeah,

(01:01:03):
he's made forty five million in his NFL career. Gronk
said they hounded us on school, talking about his parents
hounded us on school, and that he's this is kind
of it's a little bit off brand to even admit that,
but that I actually cements to me. Do I think
he is has meat head in him? Sure? Right, Like

(01:01:27):
I've met his family, I've seen them on TV. Apple
trees make apples. We all realize, like that is a
that is a household, to which bro Is said a
lot in it. I just is that said, some of
this is playing up to his brand, right, My brand
is kind of meathead. You can't play for the Patriots

(01:01:50):
if you don't have a high football IQ. You just can't,
especially playing on the offensive side of the football. Eric
Mangini joined us last hour and he said, you know
done about your talent. Chad Johnson is a perfect example.
Chad Johnson couldn't remember where to line up. It sounds
so easy, it is in fact complicated. You do have
to study, but you also have to have a football

(01:02:11):
like you. And so I think when you hear that,
you're like, man, that's really really smart. I don't think
he's a complete idiot. I think some of it is
that's his brand. His brand is I'm gonna be the
big meat head dude. I kind of come from that
kind of family. But secretly, secretly, financially, his house is
completely in order. Now. If anybody thinks that he doesn't

(01:02:34):
need the football money, that he's gonna not play for long,
like Gronk's gonna shut it down with you. Drew Rosenhouse
was hired as his agent two years ago. You don't
hire Drew Rosenhouse as your agent unless you're looking to
get every last dollar out of your football career. That's
that's just a known fact. It's a lot like like
when you hire Scott Boris as your agent in baseball,

(01:02:56):
you're like, I'm gonna fire my agent, hire Scott Boris.
You're not, You're not looking for a hometown discount. You know,
nobody goes like, well, I got Scott bors, but I'll
take a hometown discount. No, Scott Borris is gonna write
a book about how great you are, and then they're
gonna take every possible Major League Baseball team, hold them
upside down, and shake them for as much money as
they're worth. And whoever has the most money that falls
out of their pockets, that's where you're going. That's what

(01:03:18):
happened with Bryce Harper this offseason. So I don't think
this means that Gronk has protected himself. I think it
means that Gronk completely understands that there is there is
strength in this brand. Like look, Jessica Simpson didn't come
across as the sharpest knife in the drawer right when
they had that when when she had a reality show,

(01:03:40):
Remember what buffaloes don't have wings? Remember the buffalo wing comment.
But Jessica Simpson's actually financially pretty smart lady. Even the Kardashians,
a lot of that thing is played up like there's
a little financial genius, a little idiot savant there absolutely
to what they do, Like playing dumb actually sells. Playing
smart doesn't sell. People feel intimidated by bright people. They

(01:04:04):
just do like you want. It's like a whole idea
of dumbing it down. Do I mean, look, the guy who,
the guy who is occupying sixteen hundred Pennsylvania Avenue. He
figured this thing out. Change your language, use more average terms.
I don't know if whether it was this is actually
how he speaks or how he's been told to speak,

(01:04:26):
maybe a little bit of both. But it does play.
It does work, whereas when you try, like, look, President
Obama was brilliant, but brilliant can be boring. It just can.
And I think Gronk gets it. He gets his brand.
The brand is meathead, catch football, spiked football, meet Gronk,

(01:04:48):
love to party. I don't think that's necessarily who he
truly is, but I think he understands the profitability of it.
So are you saying that he is some kind of
genius underneath this? I don't think he. Look, I think
he's a lot smarter than he lets on, right, Can
I say, though, when you're making that much money, he says,
he's what only spending his sponsorship money. Yes, that's probably

(01:05:08):
easy to do. Yes. Of course, when you're drunk and
you play, and you play the happy, go lucky guy
like you're not ever picking up the tab right, No,
like you can just you don't have to buy beers
for anybody. Even if he is, he's probably totally set
with just his sponsorship money. Yes, it also shows how
dumb other guys are, how wasteful other guys aren't. Yeah. Absolutely,
let's get to Rachel Bonetta with the news. No, no, no,

(01:05:32):
this is the herd Line news Raiders Khalil mack is.
His holdout is twenty days in counting. He wants a
longer contract, more money, etc. Etc. Media has been asking
Raiders coach John Gruden if it's a distraction. This was
his response. I don't think he's been a distraction. You know,

(01:05:52):
it's obviously been for me. You know, it's been disappointing.
You know, obviously you know you want to have your
best player here. This guy's a really great guy too,
so it's disappointed we don't have him here. We're gonna
try to get him here as soon as we can.
But in a time, man, you know, you gotta move on.
You got to you gotta get up, you gotta go
to work. And that's one thing I'm very proud of.
But what we've done here safe to say that the

(01:06:14):
Raiders need mac safe to say they do. But remember,
clear Mac, he didn't have anywhere he can go, right,
He's under contract for this year. They can franchise tack
him the next two years. He can't actually go anywhere.
You and I wish John Gruden would say like, I mean,
we are totally focused. He is not a distraction. Okay,
but hold on. My question is like, do you think
that this is a Mac problem. Do you think he's

(01:06:35):
coming across a little greedy He should just you know,
play the sport that he loves. Or do you think
it's a team problem. He was the twenty sixteen Defensive
Player of the Year. Look, I think should meet his needs.
They need him. They can't though they don't have the
salary cap room and they don't have the cash. He's
just going to hang out. Also, the team hasn't spoken
to his representation since February. He's under contract with thirteen million.

(01:06:57):
They don't have to. They don't have to. I'm like, listen,
if you don't like the way the collective Parting Agreement works,
that's cool, that's fine. Take it up with the NFLPA.
You're under contract for thirteen million dollars this year. At
thirteen and change, and if we can't come to terms
on a new deal next year, then you're gonna be
under contract for I think it's like seventeen or eighteen
would be the average of the top five salaries plus
twenty percent or a twenty percent increase, whichever one is greater. Anyway,

(01:07:21):
he gotta make a lot of money the next two
years if they he didn't like it, and then it
hurts him against the cap some But look, the Raiders.
Some of this is the Raiders. They did screw up
in how they spent their money and they got a
little bit back from Donald Penn two days ago. But
some of this is Khalil Mack having to understand, like, look,
you have two choices. Suck it up, come back, play football,
make thirteen million dollars and can and operate in good

(01:07:44):
faith and say hey, eventually I'm gonna get paid. Or
turn down the money and just wait and force them
to trade you or force them to give you a
new contract. Maybe that's yeah, that's that's the choice. Up. Yes,
they went to that stadium. How boys go which stadium? Raiders?
Oh it's a dumpy well, I mean, plus you know,

(01:08:05):
like when the A's played there, the sewer. Yet it's awful.
It's like, look, there's the reason they left the first time. Yeah,
it's bad. And they came back and like, well, we'll
build your Mount Mount Davis that. Yeah, but they didn't
fix the inner workings of the city. Like, no one
thinks that stadium it's it's just character. Huh, it does
not have character. Actually, it's it's it's retro. It's like

(01:08:27):
nineteen back when the nineteen seventies when they tried to
make these uh multi sports stadiums. Right. Yeah, it's like
the last of its kind. Every other one has been
imploded except or changed, except for that one. Okay, moving
on ENA's cantor former Kevin Durant teammate's move over to
the next. Now he is still bitter about Durant leaving.

(01:08:50):
Watch this hilarious video. Okay, if you have a problem
with my man, you go home, take that shirt and
burn it. Please. If you give me a last jersey
l I got. You doesn't even put up a fight.
The kids just like all right, sure he gonna get

(01:09:12):
a jersey out of the deal. Jersey way more valuable
than a T shirt as a smart kid. But like ghetto,
not not a millennial generation generation a starting back over cancer.
Needs to get over it. No. Absolutely, He's not even
remember the thunder anymore. That's the great part about it.
Like he loved him so much. Oh yeah, ayway, okay.

(01:09:35):
Finally Braves Marlins they played last night. I love a
good brawl. I love a good sports fight. So pitcher
Jose Rainya hit Ronald Ekunya with the ball. He was
on a three game streak of leadoff home runs. First
pitch of the night. It was the hardest this guy
has ever thrown, ninety seven miles per hour. I think

(01:09:58):
he did it on purpose. Of course he did it
on purpose. Of course he did. I think this kid,
this kid, he and the Soto kid from from the
Nationals are up for Rookie of the Year. Right. He's
hit home runs in five straight games. He's a freak,
a little flamboyant bat flip guy, which I don't love
in baseball. This is baseball policing itself. And it hit
him on the elbow, but it was designed to hit
him right, like right in the mid section. That's where

(01:10:20):
you're supposed to hit a guy. So yeah, it was
a purpose pitch. This is baseball, like that's a baseball.
Can you get away with these things because if you
don't like it, they just go, Hey, that's that's baseball.
You don't understand, that's based. It's gross. Anyways, the whole
the whole bench cleared. Yeah, look at that. But you
know what happened is the Braves won the game. So
that's a lot like will Hunting and the famous line

(01:10:40):
which I told you? Or who'd we inform in the
dressing room? Who was in there in the dressing room?
We didn't know the line? She was working with you,
I don't know. You don't even know her name? No,
I don't. I don't know what you're talking about. When
I h, I really don't listen. Do you like apple?
Do you like apples? Oh? I knew that was from
Good Hunting. You're not even you stop listening to me anyway.

(01:11:01):
Who did I inform that where that line came from? Carleen? Yes? Oh?
Maybe was that Carlen was okay? So Carlen did not
know because she's a millennial, did not know where that
line came from? Right, So the Braves won the game.
How you like them apples? No? No? Too hard? Too
much of a stretch, all right, that's uh Rachel Banana

(01:11:24):
with the news. Well, that's the news, and thanks for
stopping by the Herd line news, is Marylyn gonna fire
DJ Durkin before the season ever begins? And where are
we with this Ohio State thing? And can we just
get to the football season with no more controversies? We'll
ask Bruce Feldman, who was at a practice and also
a runway yesterday covering college football. He'll join us next

(01:11:47):
in the Herd. One more Herd. The Herd streams twenty
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whenever you like. Doug Gottlieban for Colin, this is the Herd.
We are today's Thursday, right Thursday, the sixteenth, sixteenth, right sixteenth. Okay,

(01:12:11):
so by my clock, we are exactly two weeks away,
two weeks away from today college football on Fox Sports one.
A matter of fact, my own mother, Oklahoma State taken on.
It's Missouri State now. But to those of us in
the now, it's still South Missouri State, like it's SMS
whatever you want to be Missouri State fine, Like Missouri
State will never be Ohio State whatever it's Springfield is

(01:12:31):
a great place. They put a ton of money into
basketball and football, but it's it's not Missouri State like
a Kansas State is to a Kansas anyway. So we're
two weeks away. But just like basketball season last year,
college basketball season with the with the FBI scandal that
rocked it. Now we have Ohio State and Urban Meyer

(01:12:52):
on paid administrative leave and DJ Durkin, who's Maryland's head coach,
who's also on paid administrative league. Bruce Feldman is a
talented writer and of course does sideline work for college
football on Fox. He's a reporter for the Athletic He
joins us now in the Herd here on Fox Sports
Radio and Fox Sports One. I will point out I

(01:13:14):
got it wrong. It was Monday, Monday right that you
were at Del Bolka Vista Phase two. That's when you
were at Lane Kiffin's practice in Florid. Atlantic opens up
at Oklahoma. But there's like a runway right next to
their practice field. Yeah, it's probably about from the picture
of me to that Lane Kiffin picture right now. I
mean it's really close. It's just on the other side

(01:13:36):
of their practice field. Plane small planes are landing like
every five minutes, so they're used to it. But for me,
I was just like, wow, this is different. It's like
the football version of a Saint Martin's right the the island,
right where they have that you can be on the
beach and the jets come right overhead and people, I've
all I've seen it in pictures, like you know, you
know if he's practice is a little like that where

(01:13:56):
planes fly over it. But this is like they are
literally and right next to you by the way, at
the place we both used to work. I swear to you.
One time they put me at the Amarra Suits in
Las Vegas, like there's like there's not a hotel room
in Vegas. Me and Dave Revson from Big ten Network,
we're doing a UNLV game and we're staying at the
Amera Suits, which is basically right in the runway if

(01:14:17):
you're coming down in Vegas landing in Vegas later on
to day. Like someone actually was paid to stay there
on a TV job, right, everybody thinks TV jobs are
glamorous to you stay at Themria Suits and in Vegas.
All right, let's get to h Let's get to Maryland
because we have more information now. The strength coach has
been fired. The head athletic trainer has been fired. Technically,
the strength coach has parted ways. He got a severance

(01:14:40):
of three hundred around three hundred thousand dollars. I would
imagine there's probably a non disclosure, non disclosure, non disparagement
tied to that. But so he technically wasn't fired. But
you had this press conference on Tuesday where the ad
Damon Evans, who by the way, was lost his own
job at George for his own scandal, and the president,
I I thought, took a surprising step forward, at least

(01:15:03):
in some level of accountability, because usually at those kinds
of things, the schools try to steer clear of any
kind of legal entanglement where it's going to up the
price tag on what's going to come in some kind
of settlement. They didn't do that, and things are seemed
to be proceeding down this investigation in a hurry. All right,
I'll give I'll give people the short, quick kind of
bullet points. Right. Okay, So George McNair was a redshirt freshman,

(01:15:26):
very highly touted. That doesn't matter because he died like
it was a terrible player, doesn't matter. But a really
talented kid, and they did windsprints at the end of
a series of workouts, and it was eighty degrees, so
it wasn't like ridiculously hot. But at the end of it,
he started what I would call bonk out right, he
started to not be able to do it, and the
head athletic trainer, right, that's the guy who's in charge

(01:15:48):
medically of it, was heard yelling like get his ass
across the field, and other football players dragged him across
the field. At some point he may have had a seizure,
may not have the seizure, but didn't receive the proper
medical care. Goes to the hospital. They called the ambulance
an hour later, an hour after the workouts, where his

(01:16:08):
body temperature is one hundred and six. A couple weeks later,
he actually dies from from heatstroke. And then there was
an ESPN dot com piece that goes back and says, hey,
the strength coach, the culture of it, the things they
were saying, the way they were treating these kids, toxic
culture was a toxic culture. But okay, so there's DJ Dirk,
he's only been there a couple of years. Will must

(01:16:29):
Champ comes out and defends I didn't like the idea.
You don't like unnamed sources, Like, what do you think
deep Throat was? He was unnamed source? But how much
is DJ Durkin responsible for a workout that he's not
allowed to attend? Yeah? I think what's you We've seen
stories of investigations into head coaches. Tim Beckman lost his

(01:16:50):
job at Illinois for alleged player mistreatment and abuse. There
was similar allegations about Kevin Wilson also Indiana. Also on
the Big Ten. By the way, you know Mark Mangino,
who had a pretty successful run of Kansas. He was
forced out after a lot of allegations. What's different in
this case is you had a tragedy attached to it,

(01:17:10):
and I think that put a lot more chips on
the table here. You have a lawsuit that is likely
coming down the pipeline. It is going to get really
messy there. And I think what the question is going
to be, and this is from talking to some people
who've worked there at Maryland, is what is the line
in terms of Everyboddy's line is different where you feel

(01:17:33):
like that is unacceptable treatment Because there's a lot of
people and you can go back years. I remember this
a a. This is something buddies of mine would talk about.
When Mike Stoops got the job head coaching job at Arizona,
it was like eleven different media people went out there
to do their Mike Stoops story, and there was always
some puke buckets story which was like how they pushed
people who they pushed them to limits they had not

(01:17:54):
been because everybody was soft, and that is laying down
the culture and pushing people, and it's it's romanticized a
large degree in athletics. If you want to go back
to the Bear Bryant Junction Boys stories, there's a lot
of those. But in terms of where the line is,
and I think that's a valid question, and what is
the expectations here? You know, the people I've talked to

(01:18:16):
have said, okay, do you The line in their mind
is when you cross it is when it becomes more
demeaning than just being demanding, and when it gets really
personal and nasty. And if that's the tone around the program,
you know, why were these trainers who who at the
press conference school president admitted really dropped the ball. Why

(01:18:37):
did these trainers who should have known better? Where where
did they have such a lax judgment? And was this
something bigger because of that? And it's it's a really
interesting story because now you have a lot of players
on both sides of this. You had players who who
were spoke anonymously and former coaches who worked at Maryland
in the ESPN dot com store, But now you've had

(01:18:58):
a lot of players speak up with their names attached
to it, talking about their experiences with DJ Durkin and
the parents experiences. So I think it's gonna be very
hard for the university to try to sort that out.
I also think there's the part of it, and we
saw this at organ. Willie Tagger was only an organ
for one year, but when he first got there, right
they had two guys have to receive medical treatment for

(01:19:19):
a couple of weeks right where there there there they
had these tissue injury with the tissue is like eating
itself and it was because they again same thing, try
to push him past these limits. And we've all been there.
As an athlete, you have to you learn your body,
your mind says no, and you have to kind of
push your body past this threshold. But there is there's
this this safety element to it. But we all know,
like every coach that comes in says, well, you guys

(01:19:41):
lost because you're soft, and we're gonna we're gonna toughen
you up. Okay, let me let me quickly transition as well,
wait and see on DJ Durkin's fate. What do we
know about where Ohio State is right now? Well, the
deadline that the investigation was set for should be this Sunday,
you know, I mean it's anytime within the next ninety
six hours. We're expecting to find out what they have

(01:20:03):
determined from their investigation into whether urban Meyer did in
fact follow the protocols and procedures that he said he
did do when he issued that statement from his own
personal Twitter account about two weeks ago. And I think
from talking to people around this story, and again it's
not people who are investigating, but people around it, I

(01:20:23):
think there's a lot of people who feel like there
is an increasing increasing chance that he's going to retain
his job, that a lot of people are going to say, hey, look,
did he do the right thing? Technically? He technically he did.
Now the part of the investigation is to find out
what did he know when he knew about and then

(01:20:44):
what did he do about it? And I think some
of this stuff that's been swirling around around the Urban Meyer,
Ohio state and investigation has been related to Zack Smith,
who's the fired receivers coach in question with these allegations.
Publicity wise, it didn't help that the Toledo Blade unearthed
a dui a dui from a couple of years ago,

(01:21:07):
twenty thirteen, and it just it was one more, one
more thing that I think people will say whether urban
Meyer keeps his job or not. But if he does
keep his job, people are going to go, what was
the reason why you kept him on? And then what
exactly was it that you determined that's why you fired him.
Now we don't know a lot of the particulars on that.
Do we know whether when they confronted Zack Smith was

(01:21:30):
this was he not truthful about it? Did they catch
him in lies? Is that what changed the night before
big ten media days when this all really blew up.
We don't know a lot of that, and hopefully when
this investigation is concluded, we will get some measure of
transparency to find out because there's a lot of unanswered
questions about there's a ton of goes, ton of answered

(01:21:50):
and answered questions, And I agree and I said at
the time on this show with Colin that what did
he know? When did he know? What did he do
about it? And we got to take a breath and
allow kind of the facts come out. Right, there is
some due process. On the other hand, like I get
that head coaches have to lie about things in recruiting
and occasionally to the media, even Nick Saban of course
the all time lie. I will hey, right now, I'm

(01:22:12):
not be head coach at Alabama, but that sort of
lie in the stance than which he is that as
great a coach as he is, is that really how
you want your university to be represented? That That's another
question I don't think Ohiwo State answers properly. If he
keeps his job, Yeah, I think the question is going
to be Look, if urban Meyer keeps his job, I

(01:22:32):
think there's gonna be a large portion of people who
are going to think he's been exonerated for that and
all the other stuff about whether he quote unquote lied
to the media at Big ten media days. They'll get
over that. The question I think that will hover around
it and I think unless you're an Ohio State fan,
you'll be cynical about is you know, two of his
biggest tenants, you know, biggest tenants of his program that

(01:22:53):
he's claimed has been honesty and zero tolerance towards violence
against women. And these are the issues that are ring
over him right now at the Zach Smith story. So
we got to see, I mean, was he being truthful
when he said this most recently in his statement, We
don't know. Hopefully we're going to get some answers very soon.
It's gonna be fast stating. And listen, this may be
a selfish want to just turn it to football, but

(01:23:14):
it's the first offseason. We're not talking about Jim Harbaugh.
He's finally got a quarterback. And you look at the
tragic story of what's happened at Michigan State and now
this story at Ohio State, is that maybe this is
the year, even with that incredible schedule, that Michigan ends
up benefiting from the downfall of others and the rise
of their own. Nothing, you know, nothing necessarily remains staging
at Bruce Felbanche read his work in the Athletic Course.

(01:23:36):
Can't wait to see on college football sidelines in two weeks.
Thanks for joining us The Bruce Abides. Jaila Ramsey has
a quarterback list comments on each of them. Guess who
else does this? Guy? I'll share you, share you with
you my list. Next in the Herd. Be sure to
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This is the Herd. Wherever you may be and however
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(01:24:22):
Rachel Bonnetta here for the next time you Are you
back tomorrow? I am back tomorrow. Anna back next week? Yeah?
That next week, don't care. That's exactly what it is.
She has. She has days. She has days to fill out, right,
that's really we got days. Gotta use up to days. Sorry,
that's a that's a TV thing, and you got days anyway,
I kid, because I do, in fact care. Jalen Ramsey's

(01:24:43):
comments are making the rounds. Jane Ramsey talented Pro Bowl
cornerback Jacksonville Jaguars um. He had an interview with GQ magazine,
speaking of which when was the last time you picked
up a magazine? And GQ magazine is one of those
things to you pick up you're like, man, all those
clothes are really great, they don't look like they would

(01:25:03):
actually fit me, and they're way too expense. I can't
afford them, Yes, I can't. I feel like we have
in my house we have like a million subscriptions to
magazines and they just come in the mail and then
they sit on our dining room table until I throw
them out. You have subscriptions to magazines, Yeah, what magazines?
Rolling Stones, there's some like camera thing. Well you subscribe
to subscriptions to magazine just too Yeah, okay, but they

(01:25:26):
sit on our table all right? Um, yeah I don't
have I sadly don't have any subscriptions to any magazines, right,
I've just I don't. I don't get the newspaper anymore,
or I never got the news. I can't. I remember
saying like, all right, I'm gonna get the newspaper. I
grew up in Orange County. I'm moving back to Orange County.
I'm gonna get the Register. I'm gonna get the La Times,
Orange County and I got it for like half a

(01:25:47):
year and I was like, yeah, you know, like it's
it just collects in the driveway. If I don't pick
it up, nobody else does. There's like one section that
I actually read and I can get it online. And
if I can't get it online, I'm moving on to
somewhere else. Sorry. I just killed the newspaper industry. And
it's not because I don't like Steve Fryar's work, who
covers high school sports. I still love my boy Steve
Friar and so many writers. It's just I don't know.

(01:26:09):
Reading the newspaper is a very romantic idea. Yeah, I
think having a coffee reading the newspaper. But Twitter is
just like a whole lot easier. Yeah, I would, I would.
So I would so prefer to zone out and just
look at Twitter and have it linked me like this
is me trying to read the newspaper. Now, I will
point out, I will point out and this is really
important that I still like when I read a book.

(01:26:31):
To read a book, I don't do the I can't
do the eyebook thing. I just there's something about the
feeling of closing up a book at the end going yep,
read that one, and then you it's like a it's
it's like the the idea of the notch on the
belt for a guy is like, see all those books.
Read all those books, right, yeah, those coloring books. I

(01:26:53):
read it cover to cover. I also colored in it
cover to cover. Also, I feel like when you're looking
at a screen all day long, my brain starts to
turn into scrambled eggs. Right, yes, So would you say
I couldn't hear you. I've been my my brain. I've
been looking at a screen anyway. GQ magazine, the same
magazine which gives us watches that you will never pay
full price for suits that look beautiful, but you've got

(01:27:15):
to be way skinnier than I am. The athletic build
suits just don't exactly exist or who actually needs them.
And then guys just have way better hair facial hair
than I do. Like, it's just not done. Donet work
doesn't work for me. But I do like the magazine
for the articles, including the article in which Jalen Ramsey
kind of goes line by line on different quarterbacks what

(01:27:36):
he actually thinks of, Like the the no filter stream
of consciousness, which we're gonna do with Rachel Banetta on
her Fox co workers. That's actually what we're gonna do. Yes,
we're gonna do. We're gonna go all the people you
work with in Russia, all the people. We're just gonna
go like sks, I'll just say very nice things because
everyone did a great job in Russia. Yeah, but see,
that's not the reality of it. Right. You can go like, oh,

(01:27:56):
he was drunk a whole time, How did you know?
How did how did you not know? Lalas Man Lalas
always has a book that all right, So here's what
we're gonna do, okay, um Jalen Ramsey has his own
thoughts on some of the quarterbacks. We're not going to

(01:28:19):
go through every single one of them, all right, but
let's go through the ones that people care most about
right now, the young, the young breed of quarterbacks. Because
I think when he says that Matt Ryan is overrated, okay,
there's no context to that is Matt Ryan. Matt Ryan
was the MVP of the league two years ago, right.

(01:28:42):
I thought Aaron Rodgers should remember that was Aaron Rodgers. Relax.
They came back, They made the playoffs. Okay, Um, if
you want to tell me he was overrated because you
don't think he's legitimately a top five quarterback, I'm cool
with that. But being overrated does not mean you suck.
We don't understand that, right, He's he's not Rogers, he's
not he's not Breeze. He might be or might not

(01:29:04):
be Philip Rivers. But like, you can clearly win with
Matt Ryan. They nearly beat the Eagles last year in
the road, up for beating the Rams on the road
in the playoffs, and the year before if they just
ran the damn football, they win the Super Bowl with
Matt Ryan as their quarterback. So saying he's overrated lacks context.
So let's let's get to Jalen Ramsey's thoughts on quarterback first,

(01:29:24):
then mine. Let's start with Josh Allen, rookie quarterback Buffalo Bills.
Jalen Ramsey, he's trash. My take, This kind of feels
a lot like Buffalo, right, just feels a lot like Buffalo,
like Buffalo. Once drafted JP Lossman, Do you guys remember
JP Lossman began his career at UCLA, got beat out,

(01:29:49):
so then he transferred to Tulane was a first round
draft pick of the Buffalo Bills. And like a lot
of people like I don't see it with JP Lossman
and JP lost and end up backing up Patrick Ramsey,
I believe right, Yeah, it just feels like a Buffalo
move and starting him too quickly. Everyone I talked to
in the NFL says, hey, Josh Hellen's got a chance.
He's got a huge arm, he's got good feet, but

(01:30:10):
he's kind of behind a little bit in football I
Q and obviously in accuracy. He's more likely he's just
to succeed the longer he sits, which of course means
Buffalo is gonna do the opposite of that, and they're
gonna play him right away. Feels like a very Buffalo thing.
You know, he's big, he's strong. You gotta you gotta
have a strong arm to throw an Orchard Park in
the winter. Yeah, but you gotta actually throw it to

(01:30:32):
the right team. That's it's more important to throw it
to the right team, isn't it. And Buffaloes like you
don't understand it's cold up here. All right, let's go
to Baker Mayfield. Jayla Ramsey said this on Baker Mayfield.
I understand Baker going number one. I understand why he's
number one pick. My take is, I don't get at
all why he was the number one pick. I don't

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I don't understand. I don't understand that you have the
number one pick, go and get the best prospect. And
I think close to thirty to thirty one other teams
thought that Sam Darnold was the best quarterback prospect. That's
that's really what it is. And so I don't get

(01:31:17):
at all why they took him number one. I understand
why you draft Baker Mayfield because he does. He feels
like Cleveland right. Everybody said they can't. Everybody says he can't.
He's too small, his arms not strong enough, he's not
athletic enough. Like I get that. I just don't get
why if you have the chance to draft the one
guy that everybody wants, why didn't you wait for it,

(01:31:37):
draft the one guy that everybody wants. Okay, let's go
to Lamar Jackson. Jayla Ramsey said he's gonna do a
good job. That is is innocuous, a take, ambiguous, a
take as possible. Here's what I think people want him
to be. Mike Vick with a better head on his shoulders.

(01:31:58):
That's what they want the VIC experience. And there were
times at Louisville where he was like Mike Vick, but
there were also times to which playwise, not off the field,
he was like Marcus Vick. Like he just his default
is to run. He is a great runner. And even

(01:32:21):
if you watch him now, he's not a step up
in the pocket and deliver the male sort of guy.
He does lack accuracy, and he has arm strength like
there are just some holes there. And the fact that
he's a complete, completely different type of quarterback from Joe Flacco.
Feel however you want about Joe Flacco in comparison to
his contract, like Joe Flacco's fine, you can woman Joe Flacco.

(01:32:44):
He could make every throw Joe Flacco's twenty to twenty
five touchdowns, ten to fifteen, sixteen interceptions a year. Fine.
Lamar Jackson can really run, can really throw, but not
necessarily to the right team. And he's really little. He's little,
He's not Baker little. But because he runs, he puts
themselves in harm's way. People want him to be Mike Vick.

(01:33:06):
I don't know if I don't think he is Mike Vick,
all right, Deshaun Watson, he'll be an MVP in a
couple of years. Look, I put this off of the
caveat I don't know how healthy he's going to be
long term because he's had two aco injuries, and I
do fear that they try to make him into a
traditional quarterback. But I think he could change the sport.

(01:33:30):
I think he'd change the sport because remember we've been
told for a long time these college offenses don't work.
They don't work long term. People adjust to them. And
so we only had two games to which he set
the world on fire. But Shaun Watson is the real
deal off the football field in terms of his personality
and not having any sort of issues, completely buttoned up,
absolutely gets it, and on the field, I think he's

(01:33:53):
pretty accurate. I think the reason he had a lot
of turnovers at Clemson was because they had a different
wide receiving corps his final year at Clemson. He's shown
the ability to change and evolve to win a championship
like he did at Alabama. He can run it, he
can throw it, and I think they put him in
an offense which he was immediately successful. If they can
continue to win with that offense. The idea that a
college offense doesn't work based upon rule changes and how

(01:34:16):
it's officiated in the NFL, I think he could change
the sport. Jala Ramsey on Jimmy d Jimmy g All schemes.
I guess you could say he's good. Remember Jimmy g
lit up the Jacksonville Jaguars last year, one of his
three wins against playoff teams, and this is back when
the Jacksonville Jaguars were trying to win games late in

(01:34:37):
the season. I think he's Jimmy Jesus one because if
he grew his hair a little bit longer, the eyes,
the beard, I mean, picture a picture Jimmy Garoppolo. I
mean he kind of looks like Hay sus if he
really does. And oh yeah, by the way, to take
a team that was awful, they were horrendous. The Browns

(01:34:59):
thought they were bad when he got there to finishing
five and zero, beating three playoff teams. Granted, the Rams
didn't care about the last game of the regular season,
but they still beat the Titans that went to the playoffs,
shouldn't have, but did beat the Jaguars that went to
the AFC Championship Game. It could have won the AFC
Championship Game. Like the turnaround and the look combined. I

(01:35:24):
don't think it's all schemes. I think it's all Jesus,
as in Jimmy Jesus coming up next. Rachel thinks I'm uncool.
She may be right, but my lack of coolness hipness
pales in comparison to Eli Manning. It feels like Eli
Manning kind of felt kind of cool yesterday. It was

(01:35:46):
like the dad jeans, putting on some skinny jeans and
trying them out for a day, taking them out for
a spin, take him out for a spin, like, hey,
you know what, the backside doesn't look so bad here
at thirty seven years old. We'll get to that upcoming next.
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VDAB bus that we're getting. We've had redone and finally

(01:37:32):
out of the shop. I think a VDAB bus is
incredibly cool. What are you gonna do with it? Drive
it to the beach, can back into my It's why
whatever you're gonna do, you like go on a road
trip or something. Now, come on, let's not It's like,
let's not go crazy now, but like you could like
go to you just like you throw the boards in it,
you go down to the beach, or if you go
into your son's ball game down the street. Like it

(01:37:54):
does have a new engine in it. It's got good
like I did a great Damien did a great job
and in redoing it, it's not totally body needs some work,
but the all the inner workings of it are awesome.
So you're trying to say to me that the fact
that you have a bus and cool redid it, yes,
to make it look cool, drive it to your son's

(01:38:14):
baseball game, that somehow makes you cool? Yes, yes, yes, Now, okay,
how about this one. I thought that Eli Manning kind
of he sort of dabbled into the idea of dropping
a funny line like Eli Manning is known really for

(01:38:36):
three things, right, I mean obviously the two Super Bowls,
which I mean remember the first Super Bowl season was
they had to win three road games just to get
to the Super Bowl. And then the David Tyree to
somehow catch a ball with his helmet when Eli probably
should have been down in the grasp. You know, I
was a lot of fortunate to it. But he's the

(01:38:58):
guy who's beaten the Patriots twice in football's biggest game, right,
that's the one thing he's done. Secondly, as Colin has
pointed out, he's the least interesting of the Manning clan.
And third he's known from Manning face, right or Eli
Manning face, to which there's some sort of disconnect between

(01:39:19):
a very like he's obviously a very bright guy, but
the face doesn't match that of a very bright guy.
It's a it's a if I had to say, what's
a duh look? Manning face was always a dull look,
like what is going on there with Eli? But yesterday,
after hearing the Jalen Ramsey had made comments about so

(01:39:39):
many different quarterbacks in the National Football League right. From
Joe Flacco he sucks to Aaron Rodgers doesn't suck. Tom
Brady doesn't suck, tyrod Taylor's underrated, Marcus Mariota good game manager,
Carson Wentz will be an MVP. Goff average to above average,

(01:39:59):
Dak Scott He's okay, Russell Wilson good, Ben Roethlisberger decent
at best, Eli Manning Odell makes him? Is that O'Dell
makes him? Here was Eli's response, Take a listen, my German.
Ramsey made a comment, put at this point in your career,
you roll me a good quarterback because of your connection
with Odell Beckham. Do you have any comment on that

(01:40:21):
or any retort enough? Who right, there's there's a little
there's a little the kind of a little like no, no,
I shouldn't. I shouldn't do it. I shouldn't who I
shouldn't do it, I shouldn't do it. It was kind
of that was kind of dad throwing on, taking off
the dad jeans, putting on the tight jeans for a
little bit, like I I'm gonna try this trash talk

(01:40:43):
a little bit, right, say it with a smile like
Peyton could get away with it. What I'm gonna get
away with it. You're gonna start trashing people. I trash
people all the time, don't I don't have any problem
with it. Um, I don't have any problem with it.
And he didn't actually trash Yathan Ramsey. Right, he didn't
go he didn't go full. He didn't go full cornerback

(01:41:05):
if you will, or full wide receiver. Never go full
wide receiver, Never go full quarterback. I believe that was
from tropic thunder. But he did. He did drop a
little who and then he stapped back into ELI corporate quarterback.
Better off staying above the frame mode. You know, I
liked it. I liked it. It's not his personality to

(01:41:25):
give you personality, but I did think it was a
little of Yeah, he's when he wants to, he can
he can be a different guy. He can turn it on.
He can definitely turn it on. All right, Let's get
to Rachel Banta with the news. No, no, this is
the herd Line news. Dez Bryan is touchdown in Cleveland

(01:41:46):
to meet with the Browns coaching staff. You guys were
talking about this yesterday. Here's what head coach Hugh Jackson
said about it. It's not just a given I think
you have to work through whatever conversations. We haven't feel
good about it. We do all of our homework prior
to and I think it's you know, you have very

(01:42:06):
open and candid conversation, but guys, about what your locker
room is, how your team is run, how we go
about doing things and see if it fits. And the
player has to be honest and we have to be
honest what our expectations are and if you just lay
it out, and I think that's the only way you
can do it at this time. So I don't know
if des and QE are on the same page because

(01:42:27):
there is this photo floating around on the interwebs of
Dez clearly at the airport signing some kid's helmet. That's
the Brown's helmet. What does it mean? Do you think
the DEAs is going to be a good addition to
this team? We've all been watching Hard Knocks. You see
a guy like Jarvis Landry clearly a great leader. You

(01:42:47):
think he's a great leader. I think so, I mean,
try to drop a few f bombs. I don't get
me in jail. Like, look, he stood up and they're like,
turn on the lights. Which would they turn on the
lights because they want to make his point or do
they turn on lights because they knew TV was watching.
Oh I didn't even think about that. Yes, no, but
I did think that he what I saw. Okay, So anyways,

(01:43:10):
my question to you is do you think that des
Bryant is a good addition you got? He's a VET, clearly,
but sometimes he's not, you know, on the straight and arrow.
He can be a little bit of a of a diva.
He's a right, Yes, you've got a kid like Callaway
who's trying to stay in line. Do you think having
another VET like Dez on the team will will help
the Browns in theory? Yes, in theory yeah, okay, in

(01:43:33):
theory you got a guy who's a pull bowl wide
receiver as your number two, like in theory, yeah, that
that could absolutely work while you wait for Josh Gordon
to come back. If if Josh Gordon comes back, that's
in theory. The problem is, I don't think it's even
work ethic. He's never been a discipline route runner. He
hasn't shown to have great hands like dude. He had

(01:43:55):
one hundred and thirty three targets last year, caught sixty
nine balls, had a lot of drops and he doesn't
create separation. Now again, as a number two, it's not
as big a thing. He's still a good jump ball.
He'll he'll fight you to the death for a jump ball.
But does he I don't think he has the gene
in him that an Quan Bolden had. A Quan Bolden

(01:44:15):
was a superstar talent that lost a step or two
but remained in the league. Could still be in the
league if he wanted to, because he's right. He's a leader,
and he was willing to block physical wide receiver post
up if you will to get open. More than anything,
he was willing to do the little things it took
when his speed left him. Larah Fitzgerald willing to operate
out of the slot. Super Bright also a good teammate,

(01:44:37):
but understood, Hey, I gotta have a two point zero here.
I gotta find a misfatch. I can't just out run
an out jump people anymore. I got to be a
disciplined guy. I don't think Dez has that. And then
everybody says, I'll be a number two, I'll catch last ball.
It's like, when was the last time that Dez Bryant
was not a number one wide receiver he used to
not get in the football. He doesn't handle it well,
so could he? Yes, will he? I would guess no,

(01:45:00):
won't work out. We're gonna find out next Tuesday. Moving
on next Tuesday. On Hard Knocks does Bryant uh Tom
Brady gave some shout outs to his b f F
Gronk at practice yesterday. Take listen. I think everything about
him is what you're looking for in a player and
a teammate. UM. You know, plays well in the biggest moments,

(01:45:21):
and I mean, he's everything he looked for. So I'm
glad he's on our team. But he's you know, been
a teammate for as long as he has. Um. I've
watched him developed when he first got here now and
seen a lot of growth. And I know he's trying
to do better every day life. We all are, and
you know, I hope he has a great year. He's

(01:45:41):
everything I've ever wanted in a man. We've got some
stats of who else Brady has his other receivers. Gronk's
the best he's got. Right, you think he's just buttering
him up because Gronk. Gronk is a first ballot Hall
of Fame. I don't you know, like you don't agree
he's no. No, I agree he's great. And I also
agree the juxtaposition of how good, if healthy Rob Gronkowski

(01:46:04):
is compared to what else are going to throw out there.
Remember they don't have Julian Ellleman. I like Braxton Barrios
has been banged up a little bit, but I like
him as kind of one of those classic patriots. Finally,
mismatch guys. You know Eric Decker who was on the
street and I know he had picture three catches with
and like gets I mean, it's Gronk and then a
bunch of other guys that are seemed interchangeable because they

(01:46:26):
seem interchanged, right, But Brady clearly wants to play till
he's like ninety five years old. Gronk has had some
you know, said some things about early retirement. He's obviously
not retiring right now. But and he also said, do
you remember Gronk said a thing a couple of weeks ago,
like Brady's really mellowing out. I think Brady's like, oh no,
I'm about to lose my guy. I think maybe, I
think so. Finally, this headline really caught my eye this morning.

(01:46:50):
Tim Tebow breaks into filmmaking with faith based movie. So
NFL didn't really work out at least surprising thing I
didn't really work out, not right now. Take so long,
like there hasn't been a Tim Tebow thing. I want
to play a little game. What do you think Tim
Tebow should do next? Well, look, he's still trying to
make the there's a chance for a you know, there

(01:47:13):
was a chance for a call up. Like I think
he's actually improved. I think he's going to see this
baseball thing out for another year or two. Well he's
got he had surgery on what his hands out the
next season. Yes, he decided to make some movies about God.
Well that's what he does every offseason. Like I actually,
when I say, I think he's the real real thing.
I don't think he's actually like Jesus, but I actually

(01:47:34):
think he believes what he's saying. Oh yeah, no, I
don't doubt that, But I do doubt some other guys,
Like I do doubt the authenticity of some people that
are on my television saying saying that they have great faith.
Like I actually think this is like he Like we
said about Richard German or Jalen Ramsey walks it like
he talks it, like he is what he is. I
think he's the real and authentic object, and I think

(01:47:54):
that he's going to use the power of what he's
created in sport to try and help help the world. Right,
I don't know what the world does need saving, and
if he wants to save it, God bless him. Absolutely.
That's Rachel Balta with the news. Well that's the news,
and thanks for stopping by Thirdline News. So here's when
I when I read the comments on that, Jalen Ramsey said, um, look,

(01:48:18):
there's the one off lines about a Joe Flacco sucks,
Joe Flacco sucks, and then there's the further I think
Josh Allen is trash. I don't care what nobody says.
He's trash. It's good a show. That's a stupid pick
to me. We played them this year and I'm excited
as hell. I hope he's there starting quarterback. He played
at Wyoming. Every time they played a big school, like

(01:48:39):
they played Iowa State, He's which is not a big
school in my opinion because I went to Florida State.
He threw five interceptions and they lost by a couple
of touchdowns or something like that. He never beat a
big school. If you look at his games against big schools,
it was like, hella interceptions, hella turnovers. Yo, if you're good,
why couldn't you do better? He fits that mold. He's big,

(01:49:00):
tall quarterback, big arms. Supposedly. I don't see it personally.
So it's not just that he says he thinks the
guy stinks. He goes into why he thinks the stinks.
Should be pointed out that while he's right, Josh Allen
didn't beat a big school. He never played Iowa, stated
was Iowa? And oh yeah, by the way, Iowa State
is a Big twelve school. They were a lot better

(01:49:21):
than Wyoming last year and the supporting cast at Wyoming.
But I guess the question is this. I get that
this is how guys talking locker room NFL players think
they should be NFL scouts think they know everything about talent.
I don't necessarily mind it. I do wonder what the
win is, and I think the win is. I want
to be a Deon Sanders. I want to be a

(01:49:44):
I want to be a you know, pick the guy
who's the cornerback that that is on TV. Let's let's
bring in Eric Dickerson, course hall of famer, led the
league in rushing. Fox Sports Sports one NFL analysts, Hello, hello,

(01:50:05):
hello Eddie, thanks for joining us. I do look, I
understand as a cornerback you can get away with trash talk.
It's a wide receiver. It's position dependent. It's not something
you can do as quarterback. But is it too much?
I like Jalen Ramsey. I like what he said. I mean,
you know, as the media, y'all say, sometimes you're not
giving me enough, you're not giving anhing to talk about. Well,
he giving you something. He's giving you the truth. You

(01:50:28):
might not like the truth. That's how he sees it
because he's a great player and he's telling you what
he sees because you know one thing about players is
you know y'all as media, y'all have to, oh my god,
he's great. Oh you see how you running the ball?
Look how you and and players will say he garbage. Yeah,
one or two good games, he's garbage. So I like it.

(01:50:48):
I do too. I think there's a snapshot in the
locker room. I do it is it is what the
locker room is like. Um, but that doesn't always mean
that the guy is right, right, like, especially the guys
he's playing. Here's the like the Andrew Luck one, I
don't really think he's that good. The interesting thing about
the Andrew Luck one is statistically, Andrew Luck lit up
the Jaguars, and Luck is good. Yeah, and he's healthy.
He's good now, right, So I guess you know how

(01:51:09):
guys make an argument and there's one part of the
argument that is completely false, so it brings down It's
like house of cards, like you know they do that
also when you're cross examining somebody, right, when they when
one thing they say is in the truth, nothing becomes believable.
Does this hurt his credibility that he says, Hey, I
don't think Andrew Luck's that good? Like, wait a second,
Andrew Luck is a one thirty five point and one

(01:51:30):
thirty five point five, one thirty two point five quarterback
rating against the Jaguars. The stats tell you the exact
opposite of that. Well, you know he and Andrew Luck
hadn't played in two years. So if you say it,
you're like, well, I ain't seen Andrew Luck, you know.
So you kind of have a tendency to forget. You
forget what a person has done in the past. Andrew
luck Is is a good quarterback and he could be
a great quarterback if he's if he's healthy, you know,

(01:51:50):
through his career. But you know, I do like what
Jalen said. I mean, he called out guys that he's
played against. It he think and you know what, that
is his truth. That is what he thinks of each player,
and he's got to go and prove it. Because if
I'm if I'm reading this, I'm like, oh, you said
about me. Okay, I'm gonna try toast you. How much
of this it's like Richard Sherman, how much of this
is about getting out from behind the shield, behind the
behind the face mask, trying to build a brand to

(01:52:11):
being Hey, I'm that guy. I mean, because you know, look,
here's this quote. I think Matt Ryan's overrated. You can't
tell me you win the MVP two years ago and
then last year you're a complete bust. You still got
Julio Jones. There's no way that should ever happen. I
don't care. By the way, they did make the playoffs,
beat the Rams, nearly beat the Eagles on the road.
They got a lot better at the end of the season,

(01:52:31):
even have a bust season seven bus season though. But
but I think that you know, and also you gotta
look at you know, is offensive coordinated. It was. It
was a different that was different. So it was a
lot of It's a lot of in the NFL, people
have aitency. If it gets bet, you don't play on
that team. It's a lot of moving parts. I mean,
it really is. But Jalen Ramsey, if it's a defense
that he doesn't like hitting, play well in, you know,
and he could be a bud like, well, he's a bust,

(01:52:52):
but that's not I don't play well in that defense.
So um, you know, you know, I can say this
is giving you look into the locker room just how
playoffs talk, because we talk, don't we? Do You remember
Jerry McGuire, Yeah, the movie? Yeah, right, okay remember rod Tidwell? Okay,
rod Tidwell was was Cuba Gooden Junior's character. Okay, yeah,
And so rod Tidwell back then or at least in

(01:53:15):
the movie. And there was some some of this was real,
and some of this relates to jail and but it's
more to I was thinking of Zeki Elliott in order
to get paid, which at the end of the Remember
the end of the movie, he's sitting there with Roy Firestone.
I'm not gonna cry, Roy, I'm not gonna cry. Then
all of a sudden, he gets the contract that he
apparently agreed to without actually knowing the numbers. Anyway, he
had to dance, right, He's like, I'm not gonna dance.

(01:53:35):
I'm not gonna dance. I'm not gonna dance, and then
finally he does dance. Zeki Elliott came out a couple
days ago and said, Hey, I'm starting in Marshall falk
As receiving running back, right. I want to be able
to catch the ball in the backfield. I want to
be multidimensional. Fifty six catches in two years. Some of
those numbers low because last year he missed six games.

(01:53:56):
How much of this is about Zeke really wanted to diversify.
How much of it is out like, look, if you
want to get paid, you want to get Todd Gurley money,
You got to catch the number of balls Todd Gurley catches.
How much of it is the rod Tidwell. You gotta
catch balls to get paid. I think I think z
just wants to get better, and that's what I think
it's all about you know, when you watch other players,
like you saw how Todd emerged last year and two

(01:54:18):
years ago, people thought he was a bust. But you
know that was the offense he was in. I mean,
the Fisher offense was terrible, and it's the same theory
here in Dallas. I mean, I really believe that that
offense is pretty simple and it's pretty vanilla. So you've
got to find ways to make yourself a better football player.
Look if he rushes for sixteen or seventeen hundred yards
and catches twenty passes or ten passes, who's gonna care.

(01:54:40):
You know, in the touchdown, we want the yards and
the touchdown because you got the yards. That mean that
we're grinding the clock out, We're keeping the ball away.
We're playing cowboy football. Cowboy football has always been, Yeah,
we're through a swing pass out to the backs. You know,
we might throw a checkdown, but really we are running
football team that goes back. You know, any thing thing
with Emmon Smith, I mean, that's how, that's how, that's
how they won their Super Bowl. Dez Bryan's visiting with

(01:55:01):
the Cleveland Browns today. What do you doing for Cleveland? Well,
you tell I mean, I think it'd be a good
pick for Cleveland. I really do. I think it'd be
a good spot for him too. I know he wants
to play in the NFC web. I mean NFC East
go against the Cowboys. That's not gonna happen. You have
to let that go. You know, you got to go
to the spot that possibly has. They have a really

(01:55:22):
good head coach and Hugh Jackson. You know, I just
feel like that he has. He has some bad breaks
and young quarterbacks and players haven't played well. But I
think it's a I think it's a good fit. But
it's not Dallas. That's the thing. It's not. It's not
that's not the star. You know, it's Cleveland or you
gotta you gotta get set for that. Yeah, I mean,
you go from Dallas to Cleveland, like I went from
LA to Indie, right that that's it. That's a dramatic

(01:55:44):
and people don't remember and they think Indie as Indie
Peyton Manning. No, this is not okay. But is there
something you need to hear? Like again, some of it
is he got He's gonna have to take a small
amount of money. He wants a one year deal to
prove himself. But he also he's gonna have to be
the number two wide receiver at best. Right, he's not
gonna be a three or four because you're not a
special teams guy. But he's gonna have to evolve some

(01:56:06):
as a person and as a player. Is he capable
of that? That's a that's a lot to ask of
a guy who's always he's an alpha in the locker room,
he's an alpha on the football field. And to be
getting half as many balls thrown his way and to
not be getting the attention of the defense and not
and being told, hey, dude, like this is a different
phase of your career. Everybody says they can do it.

(01:56:27):
How hard is it to actually do? You know, it's
hard to do. But you know I understand us and
not look as the mirrors. No, he's not twenty one.
He's not the des Branda came out when he came
out of Chrome State. He's not that. He's not that
guy anymore. You know, you have to you have to
revamp your career. Look, you're not going to catch those
those eighty balls, one hundred balls. That's that's not who
you are. You want to be on a team that

(01:56:48):
you possibly can win football games and you contribute to
and you show that, Look, I can be I could
play anywhere. I can be. If not a number one,
I could be a number two receivers someplace. I think
that's what he needs to look at. He's never probably
gonna be that number one guy. Those days are long gone.
I mean, we all want to stay twenty one, twenty
two years old and and be that guy. But father

(01:57:09):
time has a different he has a different answer for us.
All right, Uh, we're gonna see the Patriots first time,
first time tonight. I guess I guess my question. You
look at their division, You're like, I got to pick
the paper, right, I mean, it's Sisters of the Poor.
That's eight wins out of MAC. But but in terms
of getting to a super Bowl, like, man, I don't know.

(01:57:31):
The lack of last year is the lack of playmakers
on defense. This year it's Gronk and I guess Edelman. Like,
one of the things is we're all saying, like when
Edelman gets back, like, dude, Julian Edelman is coming off
of a torn a cl isn't he like the idea
that a thirty two year old Julian Edelman, who was
a nice player, is somehow gonna save the day when
he comes back, maybe with the help of whatever he

(01:57:53):
got suspended for. I don't know what do you get
suspended for. Nobody knows, nobody, And then't that odd body
knows nobody knows and he didn't really kind of challenge it,
but didn't rewaive the white flag kind of kind of quickly.
But but do they have the weapon re around around
Tom Brady to still keep this train moving down the track?
You know the thing about the Patriots if you can
never count them out, you really can't. I mean last

(01:58:15):
year we said all the defense isn't this The defense
is to stop the worst worst defense in the NFL.
They're in a Super Bowl. So when you've got Tom
Brady and you've got Belichick, uh, you've got a chance
to win. And and you got Gronkowski, I mean, which
I think is probably the best tight end of the
National football he heard you say earlier. When it comes
to Hall of Fame, yeah, he'll be I think he'd
be a fir us about at Hall of Famer for sure.
But as a player, I like him as a player.

(01:58:37):
I like him as a partier. I mean, you know,
like parties. He's definitely he's definitely on brand. Eric Eric Dickerson,
who grunk. If you're watching, he's available next time. No,
not a young here, I'm a young hear. I used
to like when I was doing the same thing. I'm
old and I can't do that fair enough, Eric Dickerson.
She might speak for yourself a little bit later on.
He thanks for joining us. Thank you all right? Coming

(01:58:59):
up next, it might be the best unwritten rule in
all of sports. I'll share it with you in the
best for last, it's next one more Herd. The Herd
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(01:59:22):
and for Joy here on the Herd, In the Herd,
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We do it every day at this time as we
try and kind of wrap up this show with something
that we've saved for this very moment. It's almost the
end of the show, but that doesn't mean we're phoning

(01:59:44):
it in. Nope, we grind to the very last segment.
It's time for best for last. All right. There's unwritten
rules in sports, as unwritten rules in life, and one
of the ones to which will seemingly forever live on
is the unwritten rule baseball, which if you're real, really
good and flip your bat, or maybe you're just really
good and really young, uh, we're gonna try and take

(02:00:05):
you down a peg and we're gonna being you. That's
what happened with um Braves Ronald a kun Yeah, that's
like a Kuna matata Akuna. He gets beat in the
elbow by Marlin's starter, Jose Urena, and um it was
the very first pitch of the game. Akuna had homered

(02:00:25):
in five straight games. A matter of fact, it had
three straight leadoff homers. So what do you do? You
beat him? It started a start a little bit of fight,
and the Braves end up winning the game. Kunia is fine.
X rays were negative. By the way, X rays are
always negatives. Um, that's what they are there X rays anyway. Wow,
So that had us thinking about other unwritten rules in sports. Right.

(02:00:47):
It's Gooley trying to figure out what's an acceptable or
unacceptable unwritten rule. Yes I don't, but I don't agree
with you on the bat flip. What I mean, do
not agree with you on your bat flip take because
you and Jose Bautista was about to bring him up.
That was one of the best moments ever. No, Joe
Carter's home runs the best moment ever for Toronto Blue Jays,

(02:01:08):
but actually flip best moment it was. It was a
big time bat flip. It was a little two perno, like, look,
I don't care about it in that situation. I do
think it's situation dependent a little bit, right, Like you
hit a home run and nobody's in the park, and
the third inning you start going, you start cadillacing and
taking your time around the bases after bat flipping like

(02:01:29):
you're gonna get your tower buzz next time around. In
a playoff game, a walk off home run when the
place explodes, I'm less apt to care about it. But
that's me. So I'm anti batflip from baseball guy Like, look,
baseball guys, like, this is the way we want our
sport to be policed. What do you got for us?
All right? So you just tell me if this unwritten

(02:01:49):
rule is crazy or not? Okay, Yes, don't foul an
NBA player when he's mid air. Oh, that's absolutely a fair.
The idea is once a guy isn't, you're going to fight.
That's that's what starts to fighting playground. That's what definitely
starts to fight in because you're allowed to foul guy.
You're allowed to foul guy when he's lightening you up,
he drives down laying, you're allowed to hammer him. You

(02:02:10):
don't touch a guy waster below when he's in the
air because he don't know when, he doesn't know where
he's gonna come down, and he's very, very much more
likely to get hurt. So that's absolutely a fair unwritten rule.
That's trashy. NFL rookies must pay for insanely expensive team dinners.
This is a stupid unwritten rule. This is dumb. It's
really dumb. Like, oh, it's the guy just got the

(02:02:33):
first paycheck of his life. Let's take half of it,
shall we ha? That's awesome? Yeah, apps or desserts, Let's
do both. Like, dude, come on, man, I hate the
rookie dinner thing. I think it's dumb. I think it's
a bad look, especially when you haven't had anything and
now you're going to spend somebody else's money, like, I

(02:02:53):
hate I hate those Is this unwritten rule? Crazy? Don't
talk to pictures during no hitters? Can I can I
take a middle of the road stands here and say
it depends on the guy, like treat the guy as
if you'd always treat him right, Like if the guy
wants you can't ask him. What if it's like, dude,
don't talk to me, like you got to know ahead

(02:03:13):
of time. That's a good point I met. I wouldn't
mess with him when I'm like in the zone, I
don't want I'm like very one track. Mine can only
handle one thing. As soon as start this morning. When
I'm trying to prap all my herd lines and you're
talking about goodwill hunting, I'm like, I can deal with this.
I just said it's one of the great lines in
the history of filmmaking, second only to Align and Empire

(02:03:34):
strikes back. And you had no time for no time,
no time, Like I'm trying to create relationships here and
you know have a connection. We're working together on air
for the next two days. Now you have no time
for me. I thought I thought millennials could multitask. I'm
not this one, no, nor is this unwritten real crazy?
If an NBA player is about to get benched, let
him shoot. Yes, this is a fairy fair. So here's

(02:03:56):
the way it works. Right, you're bringing the ball up
the court and somebody's ever. Everybody knows who who's a
guy is coming in for either there's a set rotation,
or you take a bad shot, you get in a
foul trouble, whoever that guy is. It's an unwritten rule
first half a regular season game. A little different in
the playoffs, that guy, you're totally allowed to take a
terrible shot, totally allowed to go get it, go get one.

(02:04:17):
You know why, because they can't take you out twice.
I'm I'm okay with that? Is this rule crazy? Don't
date another player's X ray not crazy, that's people shouldn't
do that. Now for women, if you're like my wife said,
if you're gonna date somebody's X that you have to get,

(02:04:38):
you have to get like the okay from her, that's
all awful. Just don't do it. Yeah, Like what if
you have a connection with this person? What if you
have a connection with this person I don't know. I'm
I'm talking from a from a place that's never happened
to me before. Look, I'm a trap. I've been told
like the reason that Matt Barnes went after Derek Fisher

(02:04:58):
wasn't because he was dating and now I think married too,
his ex wife. It was because he didn't tell him
right to ask permission. No, wasn't. Don't do it. I
would generally say that permission, but at least go like, hey, dude,
just once, you know, like I want to ask your girls.
It's not like I want to ask for your hand
in marriage, like I want to take her out persons.

(02:05:19):
Are you cool with that? I think he says no,
He's still probably go ahead. And the last one is
this unwritten, real crazy all heard guest hosts must buy
lunch for the entire stocky not crazy at all. Colin
sometimes in the past does this, Colin Colin. What Colin
does is he orders a tuna sandwich with mustard. No,
we got proof right there, Look picture of us, all

(02:05:41):
of us he didn't wants from Colin. That's one time,
and I'd say it was frequent. It's probably on Dave
Kuelo's credit card, which gets built directly upsets. It's the
most expensive thing that we can buy. In the cafeteria here.
You can get some sushi. It's pretty good. Well, you know,
I don't see the full press juices that I that
I drink. Those are rather pricey. I'm just like, how

(02:06:02):
much how much the sextually golden bullion is? How much
it costs? All right, Rachel's back tomorrow. I'm back tomorrow.
Greg Jennings again. Were Greg Jennings again? Greg Jennings every
day this week? Plus for Shard Jennings, no relation, no relation,
joins us. All right, we'll have preseason games to react to.
Patriots Eagles might have the starters for a series. We'll

(02:06:23):
react to it tomorrow. Plus, Rachel doesn't know this. We're
going to play the Angel in the Devil tomorrow. In
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