May 31, 2023 • 49 mins
Aaron Murray and T-Bob Hebert discuss whether they expect Deion Sanders and the Colorado Buffaloes to move from the Pac-12 to the Big 12. Later, they react to Nick Saban's comments on NIL creating an uneven playing field as it morphs into pay-for-play. #Volume #Herd
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Hello everybody, welcome in to a brand new episode of Snaps,
your favorite daily college football podcast and one of your hosts,
ebob Abear, joined as always by QB one, my wonderful
co host, mister Aaron Murray. Aaron, what's up man? How
are you feeling today?
Speaker 3 (00:27):
What's going on? Another beautiful sunny day and the pact
was slowly dying, So I'm you know, we'll break it
down some more today, but just smile on my face.
I guess I'm just an asshole.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
What a what a weird and negative, awful way to
start the show. I just celebrating the death of a
conference that was once beloved. What just because you can
relate to it because you're not from the West Coast.
I'm sure if you grew up on the West Coast
and you're a fan of college football, yeah, you got
some positive memories with the PAC twelve. There were some
good times in there. Man's been some good PAC twelve channel.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Well, PAC twelve and PAC twelve world the West Coast Ala,
California actually have any idea that they're about to lose
the PAC.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Twelve, So I get it what you're getting at. But
for the people that doesn't care. It doesn't make it
any less upsetting. So I feel you. It arguably is
not a large number of people the West Coast are
not exactly your college football p ones, but there are
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people out there who are gonna be upset about the
PAC twelve nine. Look at our guy, Clint Moses, because like, okay,
what happens to the Beavers?
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Right?
Speaker 2 (01:36):
The Oregon State Beaver has been awesome, you know. They
they've really started to flourish at home as of late.
But I don't know will they if you're talking about
a Big four where there's gonna be sixteen team conferences
and already looks like they're beginning to take shape, which
we're about to get into here in a second. I
don't know. I don't know. I think it's I just
don't understand why you have become so block thirsty for
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the death of the PAC twelve. Like I do, can
accept it as an eventuality, but I don't know. They
don't want to sit here and champion it, like I'm
not pissing on them as they're sitting here dying like.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
CMP no no no, no, I am, I am in favor.
I said it yesterday for another reason. This is just
another reason to kind of the cherry on top. I
want twenty twenty four to be the future of college football.
That's why I wanted this thing. I want the ball
to get rolling. I want the first of the first
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of the dominoes already fell last year, USC UCLA leaving
the Pack twelve going to the Big Ten next season.
That was the first domino. Next Domino most likely is
going to be Oregon, Washington. Next Domino is probably gonna
be Colorado and Utah. Like it's just I don't want
it to be a two year thing. I want it
to be this summer. It happens twenty twenty four. Big
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twelve is the Big twelve, Big Ten is Big ten, SCS, SEC,
ACC's a SEC, and we're done with it. So that's
the only reason why I'm pushing the narrative right now
is I don't want this thing to drag out. I
want it to happen here in the next two months.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Look, I feel you in that if the four corners
fall right, which is what we're gonna start today's show
on Prime, to the Big twelve. But the four corners
in the Pac twelve, we've talked about it before on
the show, it's what the Big twelve is targeting, and
it's Colorado, it's Arizona and Arizona State, and it's Utah.
Two of those feel very exciting right now. In Arizona
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Arizona State bring a lot of value outside of football
and always with the potential to be pretty good in football.
If you can get at least Arizona State, maybe, if
you can get the right person there, Arizona could be interesting.
Whatever the point is, if I feel you like, if
the four corners fall and they join the Big twelve, yes,
there is definitely something more numerically pleasing about four conferences
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as opposed to five. And at that point you would
have a sixteen team Big Ten, you'd have a sixteen
team SEC a sixteen team Big twelve, and then what
would the how many teams are in the ACC right now?
Do you know off the top of your head? ESP
and commentator Aaron Murray twelve?
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Correct?
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Okay, So I guess in a weird world is maybe
that where an Oregon State this way does Oregon I'm
not already at fourteen, so I feel you like that
that would seem to make more sense. But this idea
of I want college football to be as it's going
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to be. I think is another somewhat fundamentally flawed concept,
and we'll discuss that today when we talk about Nick Saban.
Because as we are learning more and more in college
football is always going to be evolving. The only constant
is going to be change, especially in this new arass
You may say, oh, I just wanted to get how
it's going to be, and I feel you. It's a
twenty twenty fourteen, but there's still going to be constant movement,
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and I you know, I can't pretend to know how
this is all going to playoffs. So start with Colorado
and coach prime Clint Moses says Oregon State doomsday scenarios
than they're is the guy that would be all. But
we don't need to go.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Clint Moses organ State to the Non West. It's okay,
you're good Non West. It's a good, good group of
five conference. But I mean, that's that's.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
A good point. And you feel like an asshole.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
If if if, if, if the Pac twelve does kind
of go bye bye and the Big twelve. You know, listen,
you can't just take everyone like you just can't grow
to grow I mean, there has to be enough money
to go around that the current members aren't upset. There
has to be a value to adding more schools. Does
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Oregon State maybe add value? I don't know from a
financial standpoint, So there may not be room for them,
and there may be a situation where you should see
teams like that move to a group of five conference.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
I don't know. Yeah, I don't think the Big Ten.
The Big Ten got used see in UCLA, and so
I don't know if they need any other West Coast
even if you're talking more about well, I mean they're
gonna take Oregon and Washington, especially if they get Oregon
in Washington. Yeah, then they're gonna have no need unfortunately
for Oregon State. And it's the same reason why they're
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chargeting these different geographic areas with the four quarters. If
the Big Twelve does get the four corners, you are
talking about the first you want to talk about entering
an age of mega conferences. That would be the first
college football conference with teams in all four time zones.
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So the Big Twelve would actually be the most national
of any of the college football conferences. Why are we
talking about all of this because it is now being
reported on just how deep these Colorado talks have been,
which we always were kind of rumored. I don't know
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that we had confirmation though, until these last couple of
days when it came out and is being reported by
CBS as well as others, that Colorado has been its
substantive talks with Big twelve about joining the league. They've
been having face to face meetings Aaron over the course
of several months and even to the point where we
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now know the detail that at least it's been reported
that Colorado would immediately get an equal media right share
of thirty one point seven million dollars begin in twenty
twenty five. Why that is significant BYU Cincinnati, Houston and
UCF the teams that joined this year do not get
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that full share immediately, right, so it kind of shows
you that they're coming from different areas of leverage and negotiation,
like those other schools are going to get it over
the course of a couple of years, they'll get up
to full member status whereas to get and it really
shows you, like what Deon sanders Will has done for
the Colorado brand, right, because you would have like I
would really love to see what the interest level would
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be in Colorado. If Dion were not there, would you
be going so far as to guarantee them these things
like a full share? Would you care if you're talking
about a one eleven Colorado. So already we once again
see the benefits of having coach Prime as the figurehead
of your school.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Well, he has reshaped the future of Colorado football. Like
there's someone in the comments said that, you know, Colorado
won't be good this year. Be Morale said, Colorado is
going to be bad this year. They're not going to
be worse than they were last year. I'll tell you that,
Like they ain't gonna be one and eleven, you know, so,
like it can't be much worse. So I do think
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this is a team that is I would say four
to five wins is a good spot for them, which
is a huge improvement from last season. And if you
get four or five wins and his first year, as
you continue to rebuild this as he's already doing a
great job doing that, essentially wiping out the entire roster,
bringing in a new roster of four and five star guys.
They're doing great in the recruiting chail right now. Then
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you throw in the fact that you're gonna be in
at the Big twelve. On top of that, Colorado, to me,
I don't know what it is. They feel more like
a Big twelve team than a Pac twelve team, and
I think it's good for them obviously. Yeah, it just
feels like a big top team. So I think it's
a smart move. And it goes back to me, he said.
The Dion effect is real. It has been. It is.
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It has touched every single aspect of that program, from
the fan base to dollars for anil opportunities, dollars when
it comes to ticket sales, recruits, and now possibly moving
to a new conference, and even more money for the university.
He is worth every damn penny that they have paid
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him to get him to the being the head coach
of Colorado.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Yeah. Yeah, they're more relevant than ever. I mean when
we talk about them, our numbers go up, and we
are a you know, somewhat like kind of regional se
see mainly college football show. Now we have big plans
to expand that, and obviously I give you your corn
Hub kernels as often as we can. We have more
corn Hub kernels coming today. But I like the idea
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of what you're talking about, and then what Colorado feels like,
because I agree, they just seem to fit into the
Big twelve better. You know who else does Utah? Honestly, right,
would you not rather see Utah going toe to toe
with TCU and you know all these other bigchelf suits
because I feel like that sounds way more fun than
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what they're doing currently. Arizona Arizona State maybe feel a
lot out of place, but I think in other sports
you're gonna see benefits there. Look, all I know is
if you do add those four it that's a great league.
And the Big twelve has won greatly. After they after
being stabbed in the back, left for dead, bleeding out
on the ground, begging the Pac twelve to save them,
the Big Twelve sutured themselves up like John Wick style,
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just kept dragging their broken body long and now they
are back on top and they look.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Like it's a cultural thing. Well it is, it is,
it is. The Big twelve football just means more to
that region. And that's it's playing simple like you have
two you you had you had two conferences on life support.
You the Pac twelve who lost their you know, two
of their bigger brands, especially USC when it comes to
to football in their their biggest market in Los Angeles,
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the Big Twelve loses their two major brands or two
the biggest brands in college football in t Sex, Oklahoma.
The kind of discussion was could either of them survive
this loss? Could either of them would even make it
to the new twenty twenty four forging of college football?
And the Big Twelve kind of put it together, figured
it out, and it's making it happen right now. But
I think it's because of the group of people that
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live in those states and football just mean something to them.
I started the show by talking about the death of
the Pac twelve. Part of the reason is and the
one of the main reason why they're not getting a
TV deal is because people don't watch pack hole football.
There is it that love, that desire to show up
and fill the stadiums. I mean Ucla. You made fun
of me the other day about Ucla T Bob. You
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said it was having one of their better years they've
had in the past decade, and they had fifteen thousand
people in the stands and the most historic stadium in
America with a really good football team that was on
the on the map. When it comes to possibly contending
to win for a Pac twelve championship, they could barely
get ten fifteen thousand people in the stands. So like, yeah,
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it's it's it's not the Pac twelve's fault, necessarily, it's
the fans fault. They're the ones that are killing the conference.
The Big twelve fans are still showing up the games.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Yes, culturally, there is a major difference obviously between the
south and the West Coast and the Southwest and caring
about football. I wonder if hm, I mean, but then
they're there. I guess. Actually, I was gonna say there's
time disadvantages because when you have to play the games,
there's act of one thing. But that is the one
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thing that also that is also ironically the Pack twelve's
great strength is that you get Pack twelve after dark,
where even if it's not the most exciting game, you're
still going to at least do x amount of numbers,
you know, a million or two, simply because there's no
other college football on at at the time. Look, it's unfortunate.
I was of the opinion when we had the article
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a few months ago where Arizona School President's out here
talking about how a deal's about to get done, and
it's probably better than you think. I was of the
opinion that maybe we were wrong and the PAC twelve
was going to pull their own Hail Mary. But with
these recent Colorado reports, they appear dead in the water.
So we will We'll have to see over time. So
that's some of the news in the air. Dione and Prime,
(13:44):
you know Prime in Colorado. By the way, again, if
you are a fan, if you're a college football sicco
and you you love the Siicos committee, just remember there
is no bigger SICKO game than Nebraska Colorado to start
the season. Two objectively awful programs that we will be
locked into, sold out packed house. Great, it's it's gonna
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be so sick.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
To Uh, let's go botho both.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
It's the big new it's the big new kickoff.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Correct Week one and Week two, big Neon Colorado games
TCU and Nebraska.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Wow, I mean Prime to Prime. You know what prime
time is whenever Prime is playing, Okay, that's prime time. Literally,
as we're going to find out this fall. Uh, the
SEC meetings are going down in Destin right now. It's
a great chance for all these people to go vacation,
a little bit kind of get out little work conference,
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and it's provided us with a with a with a
with a good trickling of news. I would say, right
the battle lines are being drawn in terms of eight
or nine game schedule some of these other topics. I
hated that Kirby Smart called us out yesterday basically saying
he thinks that's the biggest non topic and that if
y'all are having to write about that, that we're bad. Okay,
(15:01):
Kirby fucking relaxed. Okay, we have content to fill. We
are a year round college football podcast. How about this.
How about y'all get your fucking head out of your
asses and you go ahead and slid by the nine
game schedule and then we have nothing to talk about.
How's that for bolton board material? Curb, Well, what does
your boy.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Brian Kelly just step up in front of everyone and
tell me what they're headed? As he did, He's the
only one that right now, like I feel good about
that's actually wants this thing to move in the right
direction and it is relevant. Like you know, listen, Kirby,
I love you, big guy, thank you for the championships.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
But careful.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
It is a It is a big deal, like people
want to know. People want an extra game. Like, maybe
it doesn't mean much to you guys for you know,
your scheduling, because at the end of day, it's all
all you guys care about is wins and losses. Like
I can't blame them for it. But for the average fan,
they want to be entertained. This is an entertainment business
and fans want to watch premium product every single weekend.
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So yes, it is a big topic. For the general public,
they want to know or we're gonna have an opportunity
to watch an extra game every single year that actually
means something and not some BS game against some you know,
Sally stuttered school that you're gonna blow in the first half.
So it is a topic.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Uh yeah, I mean yeah, but okay, okay, So do
you want to know the dirty secret? Though?
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Why?
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Kind of Gary Kirby and I and I really don't
want to bring it up. Yesterday I think I kind
of mumbled it just that if anything, we probably just
end up with a one year placeholder, right, and you
probably do one more year of a games and then
in twenty five you go to nine. So like I
don't know. I don't know. Well, we'll wait and see
where it goes. The other news that came out yesterday, though,
imagine this Nick Saban back in the news once again
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being soft. Here's some quotes from Nick Saban name, image
and likeness is a good thing for players to be
able to make money. But when it turns into pay
for play, now you're getting into a different area. Ummm.
And then he would go on to talk about, you
know if, well, I made a statement years ago it
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got very criticized for it, is this what we want
college football to become? So now it's kind of becoming that.
I don't think it's going to be a level playing
field because some people are showing a willingness to spend
more than others. Wow, okay, there's a lot to impact here.
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First off, very interesting that Saban would reference the last
time he said is this what we want football to become?
When about ten years ago in October twenty twelve, as
spread offices came into the SEC and Hugh freezing up
tempo was beating him, he asked that same question, is
this what we want college footble to come? And you
know what the answer is here absolutely that's a fuso lutely.
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The fans love it. They love spread offense. It is
a hundred percent what they wanted college football to become.
So on one hand, interesting to bring it up in
that sense, but like, it's just the fundamental flaw in
everything that I just read out of Nick Saban's mouth
is the implication that things were ever equal to begin with,
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that they've ever been equal. Like this man really set
up there and said, quote, I don't think it's going
to be a level playing field because some people are
showing a willingness to spend more than others. Nick, that
is rich. You put a barber shop in your football
ops simply because you could, because you had money and
needed to spend it on something to attract players. Like,
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what are we talking about? That has Like everything in life,
college football has always rewarded those who are both willing
and have the money to spend. So it's not like
things are really changing. It's just the latest stage in evolution,
the same way that the up tempo office was just
offense was just the latest stage of evolution. So I
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just I don't really understand what Nick Saman's endgame is here.
It doesn't make any sense to me.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
No, it went from you know who had the bigger,
shiny facilities and indoor and weight room to now that
plus obviously the spending when it comes to nil, opportunities
for these kids too, So like it's just it's the
next iteration, it's the next thing. He also brought up.
I believe the fact of you know, I wouldn't mind
us getting to almost the NFL model, getting a union,
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getting it to an equal playing field where everyone gets
paid the same, essentially putting these kids almost on salary
where hey, you commit to a D one university Power five,
here's your salary for the year. I don't know what
you would do with nil at that point, because I
would still think as like the NFL, yeah, you get
your salary, but you can still go get a deal
on top of that as well, So like does that
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even slow it down? Anyways? If you're gonna be, if
you're willing to pay, maybe then the boosters will say, Okay,
if these kids are getting ex about of dollars, I
don't feel like my money needs to go to the players.
I'd rather go to the facilities. I don't think that
would happen. I still think it'd be the same way though, Yes, no.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
I mean you, you fucking nailed it, Aaron, like like
you nailed the other big disconnect in all of this,
because you're right. He goes on to talk about unionized
employee salary caps, which all sounds good on the surface, right,
but as you said, salary cap doesn't actually change anything
that's going on. Now, what's funny about saman talking about
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a salary cap is he's basically exposing the very thing
he's decrying. He's decryed pay for play, and yet with
him talking about a salary cap, he's telling you that
he feels like he is generating the money to pay
these players. Then, although technically it's coming from businesses that
Alabama is in charge. It's like, Okay, you want a
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salary cap, that's all well and good, but can you
stop players in the NFL from doing commercials? Right? Like,
like you said, like that all a dollary cap would do.
It would be money in addition to endorsements, right, Like, Okay,
I can sign with Alabama, I can get my hundred
k under the salary cap. But then is that going
to stop the biggest like the guy that owns BUCkies
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Texas A and M guy, what's going to stop him
from wanting to give five million dollars to the number
one quarterback in the nation to push bucknuts nothing like.
So it doesn't actually address the issue at all. All
it does is exposed that, yeah, it all is pay
to play right now, but like boosters and businesses will
always be able to pay these players to advertise. So
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I so even that doesn't really solve the issue at all.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
No, there's no side that it was somewhat dirty and
about money before. Now it's just legal and a lot
more amount money and there's no changing at this point,
Like there's nothing you could do. It is it is.
I don't know if it's a crying call to his boosters,
because I know he's had some comments in the past
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about it about essentially they're not keeping up with say
the A and m's the world that are willing to
spend big time money to incentivize kids in the portal
and in high school ranks to come to A and
M or Texas or whatever it may be. These states
that do care about football a ton and do have
some d pockets. You just have to sell a different
narrative and listen it's not. Alabama's not hurting in the
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recruiting chail. They've gotten top transfer kids in they had
the number one recruiting class in America. Like what they're
doing now with maybe not as much money as maybe
Nick Sabman would like on the NIL front is still working.
I think at the end of the day, Like to me,
I think these kids are still smart enough that like
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I think we do at times overblow anil where we
think these kids are just super super greedy, Like, yes,
there there are some that just care about the money.
I still think if you if you had to do
a poll of rank and order why you're going to
ex University, it would be still one for the football,
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two would be for the n I L football. Still one.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
I don't think that's true, dude. I don't think that's true.
I think that's very interesting that you say that. I
think it's like literally anyone else.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
I think it's different for high school too. I think
it's different from high school to the portal. I think
kids in the portal, maybe a little bit more established,
would say n I L looking to go get a buck.
I still think kids in high school are more looking
for where can I go play football, play now get
to the NFL.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
The problem is if they're a beast this like, the
best schools are also the ones that will pay the
most money. Right, so me and you could watch the
same big high school.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Alabama has struggled in NIL. They have struggled with an Il.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
I mean is that true? Save as Chad's point.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Too, that's one player, though, Bryce is different struggle.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Georgia struggled with an ilsrugg.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
I'm okay, struggling is the wrong world there compared to
not struggling to say Texas who took ad Mitchell to
A and M Like, there are universities that are spending big, big,
big time dollars to get players, and I think Georgia
and Alabama are kind of saying Nick Saban and Kirby
Smart have the mentality of that's great and all, but
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we want guys that play football, love football, want to
win championships, want to go to the NFL.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Like if I'm I'm I'm gonna need this shit, I'm
gonna need this ship. I'm gonna need some hard numbers
on this because I do not buy this on a
Manda Man basis. You will always be able to find
individual exceptions like a bear Mitchell orn ad or bear bear.
What's bear Alexander or ad Mitchell like like you'll always
be able to find because Georgia has so many talented
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guys that, yeah, they can have a freshman d lyman
that would immediately become the best player on USC's defense,
but was like the fifth best player in Georgia's like
he's not going so like I don't know, man, I
don't I think that Georgia. I think Georgia Obama are
doing just fine. You're doing good. You're doing good. They are.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
I'm not I'm not saying they're lacking once again. I'm
just saying there are other brands that are doing better.
And that is what were we save it, which at
the the day, I don't think it should. I don't.
I think there's plenty of great town out there that
could still go to Alabama, maybe take a little bit
of a pay cut and set themselves up better for
the future, which the smart kids would rather do that
(25:27):
I would I would take I would take one hundred
k at Alabama Georgia instead of one hundred and fifty
hundred k.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
At A and M not too d K well that's
fucking bad business. So you should go to college to
get fucking smart. It's not businesses. It's not that it
is you.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
We we we say bad we We we have Paul.
We applauded Sly yesterday for being good business by taking
a pay cut from CBS to build the brand of
the SEC and now look what happened. Same true with players.
You take the pay cut, you go to a place
that develops you, and you turn to a first run
NFL draft pick where you get multi, multi millions of dollars.
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I would take that pay cut to go to Alabama
or Alabama or Georgia.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
That is fair, But you're still getting one hundred k.
And the first question you're asking is still what is
the nil offers? Again, as it should be, one of
the first questions you ask getting any job is what
is the number? Right? Because that's what's going to determine
whether or not I'm going to uproot my family, whether
or like that. That's just how the world works. And
(26:37):
I thought Lane Kiffin had some really good commentary. He's
just very honest about everything. He's like, that is what
kids care about. It it's in il What am I
going to get inn il wise, that's going to be
the first question matter what you used to be facilities,
that's what's going on now. I think that's like I said,
I think that makes sense. I think it's the same
thing I would do. I think it's same thing ninety
nine percent of people to do. And although Aaron, you're right,
(26:58):
you're right, especially going with yesterday, the example of him
was a great point. Maybe it's not always the most
shrewd mood to just take the money, but the vast
majority of human beings are going to take the two
hundred k over the one hundred k and don't I
don't blame them. I don't think that's bad. I think
that again, like all this stuff, like going back to
what Saban said, right, is this what we want college
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football to be? I don't know what college football is
going to be? Who knows. I mean, we have been
talking about fundamental changes to the fabric of the game
and the foundation itself, like seismic type of changes. What
I do know is that college football is going to
continue and I'm going to continue to love it, right,
(27:44):
and it'll be better in some ways from my perspective,
it'll be worse in some ways. From my perspective, and
you'll have other people who will view the same things
just and interpret them the complete opposite way. Right, Like,
so when Nick Savid says, is this what we are?
College football would come? The answer is that our wants
are relevant. It is what college football is becoming. To
college football will become what it is meant to be.
(28:06):
And so at this point we have to go back
to our junior high economics classes and just trust in
the invisible hand of Adam Smith, like trust in the
market that everybody seeking their own best self interest will
in the end lead to a better overall product. And
much like the invisible hand, Yes, will it promote corruption, greed, oligarchy, Yeah, absolutely,
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But it's what leads us to force super conferences, It's
what leads us to USC Ohio State late in November.
It's what gives us LSU Texas in October. Like this
is how that all happens. So, like everything else in life,
it changes and it gets new, and you won't I
(28:55):
guess you just have to hope that in your view
it gets better. But I know I'll be here for
the show no matter what, because I love it and
I'm not going anywhere so it doesn't really matter what
I want college football to be. There's no stopping.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Yeah, it's for coaches to yeah, for Nick Saban and
Dabbo and other coaches. And we kind of gave some
shade yesterday to Eli Drinkwitz there at Missouri, which really
didn't deserve it. You just, I mean, as much as
you can, just don't talk about it, which is hard
(29:29):
because it's going to be a part of every interview
you do. But man, you better be positive, positive, positive
that hey, and il's great. Our kids are getting paid.
I love it. Love the fact that kids are getting paid.
It's a new college football. And you put a damn
good twist on it because you know, I said, the
kids still want. Kids want football, they do want to
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get paid to and if they can get both, they're
going to get both.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Which, according to Clint Moses CBS recruit spinding reports at
Georgia number one, spending four and a half mill billion
dollars in the recruiting exit efforts Michigan. I know, but
but but the thing is, the thing is it's not
the it's the same ship. I was just talking about
this idea of Nick Saban. Be Like, now the people
(30:15):
who are willing to spend the more are gonna win
the most. It's always fucking been that way.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Nick is always spend money in recruiting. Nick has been the.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Exactly exactly that's struggling nil when they're spending more money
and recruiting than anybody else.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
University, spending more money on the university, the university, the university.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
I get what you're trying to say. What I'm saying
that functionally it doesn't matter technically, different streams. I get
what you're saying, and that money is not going directly
into players bank accounts, but it is representative of the
overall buy in from the Georgia ecosystem right now, and
buying is unstoppable because, as we talked about, you have
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the right general at the helm and he's leading to
a golden age. So no, George, whoever spins the most
will always be the best. It's just it's it's like
anything else in life, and it's never been any different.
It won't be any different, Nick Saban, So shut the
fuck up and play nine games. Dude the hell, you're
the one that's making this so hard for no reason.
(31:15):
You get you know what he is, You know what
he is.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Put your foot down, Sankie, just make it happen. Let's go.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
He's getting old, Nick is you know he's gay?
Speaker 3 (31:26):
I did this on my earlier show today. Uh. Two
questions over under a half championships for Nick Saban and
the rest of his career over under four and a
half years before he retires. He'll be seventy to this October.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
I can't imagine a world without Nick Saban. So I
I you know what, Okay, I've been watching a lot
of Succession lately, and I'm in the middle season three.
I'm not in the finale, so nobody, please don't spoil
anything if you're in the chat right now.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
But god, well, okay, for life so good?
Speaker 2 (32:08):
But uh but I am, I am? I am? But wait?
Why am I blaming the fucking man Kendle's dad? What's
the main Carol Logan Roy?
Speaker 3 (32:18):
Thanks?
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Oh my god? I feel like Nick Saban, how the
characters in that show feel about Logan Roy. Where basically
it's impossible to imagine a business without Logan Roy, even
though all the writing is on the wall, like I
have to go over on the four and a half
years for Nick Saban and I have to go over
on the national championship because I've seen him do it.
(32:41):
I don't care. I don't care. He could be ninety
six and I would say over. That's my point. He
has built himself into a boogeyman, and to more than
I said he. I don't apply normal rules to Nick Saban.
So no, I think I'll go over on both easily.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
I'm going I'm going under on both.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
I just that's called wishful thinking right there, espally now,
because what you're not appreciating is that Kirby gave him
the juice back. Okay, it's like Batman in the joke.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
A year ago, and he's had I think maybe the
entire time in Alabama this.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Year, perfect perfect, get him even more pissed off. Okay,
It's like it's they're the two sides of the same coin, right,
They need one another. Everybody needs an adversary to push
them otherwise they get bored. And now Nick Saban has
the greatest adversary he's ever had, and it's one of
his own creation. In a classic tale as old as time,
(33:40):
the apprentice becoming the master, the old man getting put
out to pastor out back. Can he punch back? One
more time. We're gonna see over these next couple of years.
But no, I will always beat the over on Nick Saban.
I hate him and and he literally is responsible for
the worst single experience and defeat of my entire life.
(34:03):
But but I but I do respect him. Unfortunately, what
he's built now he needs to play nine games. Okay, Nick,
that's all asking. Uh did you did you see the
athletics EA Sports article?
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Where they put together the the greatest all time teams.
I don't have a lot to say here, like in
terms of taking what's an AWFU way to set up
the conversation, but I think like, if you're listening to
this show, I think that's yeah, well okay, okay, So no,
well that's the thing about this game though, that thing
about that. So Chris fin he needed an article on
the athletic and he looked at the uh, the the
(34:43):
all EA Sports team, right, thirty years of college football
from EA Sports twenty one titles. Let's put together the
best team possible. But Aaron, he didn't do just the
highest rated he did. He did a you know who
was just the hardest to play against. Right, So, like
infamously Michael Vick in Maden No. Four was unstoppable to
(35:03):
the point where it was banned in a lot of homes,
Like I know, me and my friends because you know,
we had a lot of Falcons fans grew up in Atlanta.
Everybody always wanted to do what we ended up having to,
like kind of call it. Nobody could beat Michael Vick.
Well that's where Pat White comes in, because I agree.
If you used Pat White in n C doaah nine
him Steve Slayton running the option was unstoppable. It was incredible. Uh,
(35:29):
the honorable mention is on the sister trail prior Tim
Tebow and vincient.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
Let me guess, was Marcus that guy? And unless you
like used that damn.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Margus Spears, Bro, Marcus Spears was a fucking beast. Marcus
Spears had a pick to the National Championship. Nice, yeah,
to win the game?
Speaker 3 (35:47):
Uh be to beatle u Q you guys, look at you,
q l s you guys, Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
Look at you Q Tim Tebow guys. Uh. Tim Tebo
though for the only two time ninety nine rated player
all time in both twenty ten and.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
All time best quarterback of all time.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Uh, Matt Lionard Andrew luck Post reached ninety nine. But
again they couldn't run Man and and especially at that time,
elite running quarterbacks like video games, real life just couldn't
really account for them quite yet. Uh, they have Reggie
Bush and Darren mcfaannas the running backs love it. I
mean speaks for itself. Who he got at fullback? Some
(36:28):
guy from Rutgers Brian Leonard blocking Rutgers true true wide receivers.
You got Roy Williams from two thousand and four. Who
didn't you talk to Roy Williams this last year of snaps?
I think that was? That was?
Speaker 3 (36:44):
That was Roy Williams of Oklahoma defensive back.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Oh shit, okay, it was okay because Texas Roy Williams
again to go back to LSU Texas. He won Texas
at Coddon Bowl against LSHU back in the day. I
think it was like two thousand and two. Maybe it
was the damnedest thing do. He just dominated them. And
then they have for Shawn Woods from Oklahoma State. I
(37:08):
don't remember who Shawn Woods actually.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
Real miss here on this list. The one fall in
the article was Crowtrey. I thought Crowtree was Oh was
a true because he was so big and his catch rats.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
Yeah, but what a like Calvin Johnson you would think
would be that though you know.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Calvin Johnson was an after dog as well.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
You don't have to get him. The ball is the
problem in the game, like you're running essentially the triple option.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
No, they weren't running the triple option then when when
Calvin was there, but you.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Did, you didn't. You didn't have the quarterback that you weren't.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
They had ball there. Ball wasn't terrible.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
He wasn't throwing fifty times a game when Texas Tech
was though, when they're like the heyday of Mike Leach
being you know Texas, the peak of Texas.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Yeah, shut up, well not no, not you bro. Aaron
just tried to claim that Reggie All was the reason
why you should play with Calvin Johnson. I like Regie.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
I'm just trying to think of like their run trip
option back then, they were running pro stole offense.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
It was terrible offensive lineman. None of y'all are gonna
give a fuck, But I was happy to see Ben
Wilkerson in their legendary center from LSU. My favorite coach
I ever played for ninety nine overall on oh four,
you get a defense David Pollock A ninety nine back
in the day, How bad Aaron your.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
Boy See's stunt man? Davion Clowney fucking nightmare to play against?
Ninety nine?
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Did Jadavian Clowney? Was he like hard to play against?
Was he good in college?
Speaker 3 (38:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (38:43):
He was a.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
I've been slung around like a rag doll from jadeveon
a couple of times.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Really so. But but but not as bad as Fairly.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
No no, no, no, no no no no. Fairly was powerful.
Clowny was just the length, the speed, strong hands, but
never never did me dirty like Fairly was dirty. Connie wasn't.
Conne Is a good dude. Was a dirty motherfer dirty fucker.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Oh man? Uh And then look, I mean you got Larring,
you got whatever? You go out this list. It's fun names.
I guess The main thing is it does get you
just super super excited about about what is what is
coming next. One interesting thing to note that probably gives hmm,
(39:42):
I'm trying to I don't want to say this. That
probably gives whatever. I don't don't know, I don't know
what I'm trying to say. There there there's a there's
a weird rhythm with all this, where like early on
players ready super high, then they got very picky about
it around like six and then uh or no, they
just started to hang out rating to everyone and then
it kind of trickled back down. But whatever, I can't
(40:03):
wait for this game to come back out, Aaron. Are
you ready for a corn Hub Colonel of the day.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
Jimmy, give me that little colonel baby, show me what
you got.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
All right. This is the corn Hub podcast, your daily
dose of Nebraska football. This is a podcast that originates
out of Baton Rouge, Louisiana. I'm your host. Teacub Husker
is not in today. We are still trying to get
Aaron to join the Hive. Officially, we'll get him in
the hub, don't worry. But we have a couple of
(40:33):
Nebraska cakeoff times. And who doesn't love a little Friday football. Well,
if you do, you can catch Nebraska at Illinois Friday,
October sixth, eight pm on FS one. Oh little early
fall in the air Friday night. Not gonna be anything
else on. You're not gonna be going too crazy Aeron,
(40:55):
because you'll probably be in some city getting ready to
call an ESPN game the next day. Grab yourself a
whiskey and lock in for Matt Rule versus Burt Blima.
That's what I'm talking about. Oh, that's gonna be fun. Actually,
it's even more fun. How about this No Friday, November
twenty fourth, the day after Thanksgiving. You got a tummy
(41:16):
full of trip to fan. You're probably making a little
turkey sausage gumbo with your turkey stuck. Chances are you
got leftover cranberry sandwich is coming your way, and what
are you gonna take it all? Wash it all down?
With Iowa at Nebraska. That's right, noon CB Big ten
on CBS at noon, Hawkeyes versus the Huskers. That is
(41:43):
the good stuff that is college football personified right there.
Look forward, there's your corn Hub Colonel of the day.
Can't wait.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
I will not go in on the pol right now.
Give me, give me. This is going to be a
petite trojan boy situation. I'm gonna have to see a
little some something from Nebraska early on the season before
I joined corn Hub. Look, they're gonna beat the fence.
I'm on the other side of the fence, and like I'm
on the other side, I'm going for the crime.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
What if they beat the crap out of Colorado?
Speaker 3 (42:21):
Not enough? Not enough. It's one to eleven team you beat,
not enough. I need to see you beat a competitive
football team.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
I kind of feel like Colorado is going to beat Nebraska.
They shouldn't. I hope they do, because Nebraska still had
like a bunch of top twenty recruiting classes. Like Nebraska
kept recruiting well, they just could never. They just can't
develop players. Matt Rules should be we'll see. That's kind
of crazy to really think about, is just how much
narrative is going to be on the line in that
(42:48):
first game. I mean the takes of, you know, Colorado,
who's a disaster to on such an asshole he kicked
out all these kids for no reason, blah blah, or
oh my god, Matt Rule so overrated, Nebraska can't even
be Colorado.
Speaker 3 (43:03):
Are who benefit more from week one? I would say
Dion from a week yes, bro, the.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
One and eleven Colorado to then beating the big Tens
Nebraska week one would be borderline disastrous for Matt Rule.
In my opinion, I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
What do you mean though?
Speaker 2 (43:24):
I don't think the takes would be kind? What do
you think they're gonna say after that?
Speaker 3 (43:27):
Obvious they're not gonna be kind. But I would say,
like I just said, I think I think Dion would
have a harder that takes, would be harder on Don
than that rule. After the game he took No, Yes.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
He took over an infinitely worse situation.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
I don't care he cleared house. He's doing it his way.
I think that ruled the excuses. Look at what he's
done every school. Your one's not great, why should this
be any different? Your one's not great. This is building for.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
Your to transfer for That's why. That's why there is
no excuse. Uh No, Darth janis my my corn Hub
name is tacop I Guys. I know historically rules sucks
the first season, but he's not going to be allowed
to go three and nine this year. It just can't happen.
You're allowed to get tired. He has a pretty It's
(44:19):
not like he's gonna get fired, but I'll be disappointed,
Like he should be better than that. Nebraska should be
No Iowa versus Nebraska is not torture like dog. That's
the good stuff. That is why, Like if Nick Saban's
gonna ask I can't wait for that. I want Yeah, good,
that's what Nick Saban wants. That, that's what he wants
college football to be, and that's what at least we'll
(44:42):
still have that in an age of having to watch
freaking Georgia and Texas with their seven million dollar rosters
going toe to toe with one another. Okay, give me
the good Midwest ship, give me some of that home
spun grandma's quilt type of shit it because that's what
Iowa versus Nebraska is. Clint Moosa's rule interview sounds better
(45:07):
than Luke Fickle. Yeah. I don't know much about Luke Fickle,
to be honest, I know he's very good and he
looks intimidating. But like honestly, I you know, I'll be
interested to see now that he's finally out of out
of Cincinnati, is he yeah? Is he real or not?
Speaker 3 (45:25):
I think he's real.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
I think so probably too. I mean he brought he
got he got a Cincinnati team with like multiple NFL
first rounders, including Sauce Gardner, and took him to playoffs.
Like yeah, that's that's prettyn good. Uh all right, that'll
do it for Todays show unless anybody has anything else,
Did I missed anything? No? And he goes, all right, good,
We're good. Hey, check it out again. Remember Monday, we
(45:50):
are launching the new Snaps YouTube channel. Whether you're watching
live on YouTube or listening to the podcast in Apple Spotify.
Were listening to podcast Raight Review. Uh, we want your help.
We're gonna be pushing it hard, y'all. We're gonna have
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(46:13):
it as big as we can, so we're gonna need
everybody on board for this. It's like Brian Kelly always
takes about alignment. Okay, We're gonna need alignment to achieve
our ultimate vision and that's exactly what we're gonna do.
Aaron steven A Smith on the way out here, was
asking this this morning. Have you ever tasted your wife's
(46:34):
breast milk?
Speaker 3 (46:36):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (46:37):
What did you think of it? It's good, a little sweet,
I like it isn't crazy. It tastes like cereal milk.
The only thing that freaked me out where you had
all freaked out by the temperature because it is warm, right,
it clearly just came out of another human being.
Speaker 3 (46:52):
Yes, no, no, no, I was well prepared, knowing the fact
that I help bottle feed the baby, so i've I've
kind of felt the milk, and yes, it's warm. Babies
don't want cold milk.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
So can I take it one step too far?
Speaker 3 (47:15):
You probably not?
Speaker 2 (47:17):
Okay? Did you suckle directly from the teat when you
tasted it.
Speaker 3 (47:24):
The first time? No? But I mean you know that
has happened during adult adult activities? Yes, yeah, hell yeah?
Speaker 2 (47:34):
Cool? Snap, just a couple of Homelander boys here on
snaps and what do you want us to do? Yeah? Dude,
it might have nine for me too. Yeah, your boys
might get back. I will see. I hate about it. It's right,
it's good for you, Like if a baby gets sick, right,
(47:56):
isn't the mother's breast milk which helped them not get sick?
And the end of the day, the bodies Oh, we
should say too. Maybe it's a slight programming note. Will
probably keep more of this sort of talk towards the
end as maybe like a little bonus for people who
care about such frivolities, whereas we'll probably do a better
(48:19):
job here going forward about kind of diving right into
the meat potatoes. College football takes the beginning of show,
and then at the end Eric could tell us about
how Maddox is like shit all over his bedroom and
smeared on the walls, or whatever is the latest crazy
gaser intestinal issue going on in the Murray household. We're
all good on that front there. Everything all good. We're good.
Speaker 3 (48:41):
Yeah, we're The butt's good. The butt's good. The mirror
Act really helps kind of clean you out.
Speaker 2 (48:49):
Yeah. Now, we just need our kids to stop walking
up to random strangers and telling them to spank them
bad on multiple levels. But my kid and Aaron's kid
is doing that right now.
Speaker 3 (49:00):
Out spank me, Dad, idea spanking I No, no, no,
you do not a spanking kid. Hugs and kisses, hugs
and kisses.
Speaker 2 (49:10):
Oh man, all right, well hey look we we We
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See you though.
The volume.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Hello everybody, welcome in to a brand new episode of Snaps,
your favorite daily college football podcast and one of your hosts,
ebob Abear, joined as always by QB one, my wonderful
co host, mister Aaron Murray. Aaron, what's up man? How
are you feeling today?
Speaker 3 (00:27):
What's going on? Another beautiful sunny day and the pact
was slowly dying, So I'm you know, we'll break it
down some more today, but just smile on my face.
I guess I'm just an asshole.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
What a what a weird and negative, awful way to
start the show. I just celebrating the death of a
conference that was once beloved. What just because you can
relate to it because you're not from the West Coast.
I'm sure if you grew up on the West Coast
and you're a fan of college football, yeah, you got
some positive memories with the PAC twelve. There were some
good times in there. Man's been some good PAC twelve channel.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Well, PAC twelve and PAC twelve world the West Coast Ala,
California actually have any idea that they're about to lose
the PAC.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Twelve, So I get it what you're getting at. But
for the people that doesn't care. It doesn't make it
any less upsetting. So I feel you. It arguably is
not a large number of people the West Coast are
not exactly your college football p ones, but there are
(01:29):
people out there who are gonna be upset about the
PAC twelve nine. Look at our guy, Clint Moses, because like, okay,
what happens to the Beavers?
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Right?
Speaker 2 (01:36):
The Oregon State Beaver has been awesome, you know. They
they've really started to flourish at home as of late.
But I don't know will they if you're talking about
a Big four where there's gonna be sixteen team conferences
and already looks like they're beginning to take shape, which
we're about to get into here in a second. I
don't know. I don't know. I think it's I just
don't understand why you have become so block thirsty for
(02:01):
the death of the PAC twelve. Like I do, can
accept it as an eventuality, but I don't know. They
don't want to sit here and champion it, like I'm
not pissing on them as they're sitting here dying like.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
CMP no no no, no, I am, I am in favor.
I said it yesterday for another reason. This is just
another reason to kind of the cherry on top. I
want twenty twenty four to be the future of college football.
That's why I wanted this thing. I want the ball
to get rolling. I want the first of the first
(02:30):
of the dominoes already fell last year, USC UCLA leaving
the Pack twelve going to the Big Ten next season.
That was the first domino. Next Domino most likely is
going to be Oregon, Washington. Next Domino is probably gonna
be Colorado and Utah. Like it's just I don't want
it to be a two year thing. I want it
to be this summer. It happens twenty twenty four. Big
(02:54):
twelve is the Big twelve, Big Ten is Big ten, SCS, SEC,
ACC's a SEC, and we're done with it. So that's
the only reason why I'm pushing the narrative right now
is I don't want this thing to drag out. I
want it to happen here in the next two months.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Look, I feel you in that if the four corners
fall right, which is what we're gonna start today's show
on Prime, to the Big twelve. But the four corners
in the Pac twelve, we've talked about it before on
the show, it's what the Big twelve is targeting, and
it's Colorado, it's Arizona and Arizona State, and it's Utah.
Two of those feel very exciting right now. In Arizona
(03:28):
Arizona State bring a lot of value outside of football
and always with the potential to be pretty good in football.
If you can get at least Arizona State, maybe, if
you can get the right person there, Arizona could be interesting.
Whatever the point is, if I feel you like, if
the four corners fall and they join the Big twelve, yes,
there is definitely something more numerically pleasing about four conferences
(03:53):
as opposed to five. And at that point you would
have a sixteen team Big Ten, you'd have a sixteen
team SEC a sixteen team Big twelve, and then what
would the how many teams are in the ACC right now?
Do you know off the top of your head? ESP
and commentator Aaron Murray twelve?
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Correct?
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Okay, So I guess in a weird world is maybe
that where an Oregon State this way does Oregon I'm
not already at fourteen, so I feel you like that
that would seem to make more sense. But this idea
of I want college football to be as it's going
(04:31):
to be. I think is another somewhat fundamentally flawed concept,
and we'll discuss that today when we talk about Nick Saban.
Because as we are learning more and more in college
football is always going to be evolving. The only constant
is going to be change, especially in this new arass
You may say, oh, I just wanted to get how
it's going to be, and I feel you. It's a
twenty twenty fourteen, but there's still going to be constant movement,
(04:56):
and I you know, I can't pretend to know how
this is all going to playoffs. So start with Colorado
and coach prime Clint Moses says Oregon State doomsday scenarios
than they're is the guy that would be all. But
we don't need to go.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Clint Moses organ State to the Non West. It's okay,
you're good Non West. It's a good, good group of
five conference. But I mean, that's that's.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
A good point. And you feel like an asshole.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
If if if, if, if the Pac twelve does kind
of go bye bye and the Big twelve. You know, listen,
you can't just take everyone like you just can't grow
to grow I mean, there has to be enough money
to go around that the current members aren't upset. There
has to be a value to adding more schools. Does
(05:45):
Oregon State maybe add value? I don't know from a
financial standpoint, So there may not be room for them,
and there may be a situation where you should see
teams like that move to a group of five conference.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
I don't know. Yeah, I don't think the Big Ten.
The Big Ten got used see in UCLA, and so
I don't know if they need any other West Coast
even if you're talking more about well, I mean they're
gonna take Oregon and Washington, especially if they get Oregon
in Washington. Yeah, then they're gonna have no need unfortunately
for Oregon State. And it's the same reason why they're
(06:18):
chargeting these different geographic areas with the four quarters. If
the Big Twelve does get the four corners, you are
talking about the first you want to talk about entering
an age of mega conferences. That would be the first
college football conference with teams in all four time zones.
(06:41):
So the Big Twelve would actually be the most national
of any of the college football conferences. Why are we
talking about all of this because it is now being
reported on just how deep these Colorado talks have been,
which we always were kind of rumored. I don't know
(07:01):
that we had confirmation though, until these last couple of
days when it came out and is being reported by
CBS as well as others, that Colorado has been its
substantive talks with Big twelve about joining the league. They've
been having face to face meetings Aaron over the course
of several months and even to the point where we
(07:22):
now know the detail that at least it's been reported
that Colorado would immediately get an equal media right share
of thirty one point seven million dollars begin in twenty
twenty five. Why that is significant BYU Cincinnati, Houston and
UCF the teams that joined this year do not get
(07:44):
that full share immediately, right, so it kind of shows
you that they're coming from different areas of leverage and negotiation,
like those other schools are going to get it over
the course of a couple of years, they'll get up
to full member status whereas to get and it really
shows you, like what Deon sanders Will has done for
the Colorado brand, right, because you would have like I
would really love to see what the interest level would
(08:07):
be in Colorado. If Dion were not there, would you
be going so far as to guarantee them these things
like a full share? Would you care if you're talking
about a one eleven Colorado. So already we once again
see the benefits of having coach Prime as the figurehead
of your school.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Well, he has reshaped the future of Colorado football. Like
there's someone in the comments said that, you know, Colorado
won't be good this year. Be Morale said, Colorado is
going to be bad this year. They're not going to
be worse than they were last year. I'll tell you that,
Like they ain't gonna be one and eleven, you know, so,
like it can't be much worse. So I do think
(08:43):
this is a team that is I would say four
to five wins is a good spot for them, which
is a huge improvement from last season. And if you
get four or five wins and his first year, as
you continue to rebuild this as he's already doing a
great job doing that, essentially wiping out the entire roster,
bringing in a new roster of four and five star guys.
They're doing great in the recruiting chail right now. Then
(09:05):
you throw in the fact that you're gonna be in
at the Big twelve. On top of that, Colorado, to me,
I don't know what it is. They feel more like
a Big twelve team than a Pac twelve team, and
I think it's good for them obviously. Yeah, it just
feels like a big top team. So I think it's
a smart move. And it goes back to me, he said.
The Dion effect is real. It has been. It is.
(09:25):
It has touched every single aspect of that program, from
the fan base to dollars for anil opportunities, dollars when
it comes to ticket sales, recruits, and now possibly moving
to a new conference, and even more money for the university.
He is worth every damn penny that they have paid
(09:47):
him to get him to the being the head coach
of Colorado.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Yeah. Yeah, they're more relevant than ever. I mean when
we talk about them, our numbers go up, and we
are a you know, somewhat like kind of regional se
see mainly college football show. Now we have big plans
to expand that, and obviously I give you your corn
Hub kernels as often as we can. We have more
corn Hub kernels coming today. But I like the idea
(10:11):
of what you're talking about, and then what Colorado feels like,
because I agree, they just seem to fit into the
Big twelve better. You know who else does Utah? Honestly, right,
would you not rather see Utah going toe to toe
with TCU and you know all these other bigchelf suits
because I feel like that sounds way more fun than
(10:35):
what they're doing currently. Arizona Arizona State maybe feel a
lot out of place, but I think in other sports
you're gonna see benefits there. Look, all I know is
if you do add those four it that's a great league.
And the Big twelve has won greatly. After they after
being stabbed in the back, left for dead, bleeding out
on the ground, begging the Pac twelve to save them,
the Big Twelve sutured themselves up like John Wick style,
(10:57):
just kept dragging their broken body long and now they
are back on top and they look.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Like it's a cultural thing. Well it is, it is,
it is. The Big twelve football just means more to
that region. And that's it's playing simple like you have
two you you had you had two conferences on life support.
You the Pac twelve who lost their you know, two
of their bigger brands, especially USC when it comes to
to football in their their biggest market in Los Angeles,
(11:24):
the Big Twelve loses their two major brands or two
the biggest brands in college football in t Sex, Oklahoma.
The kind of discussion was could either of them survive
this loss? Could either of them would even make it
to the new twenty twenty four forging of college football?
And the Big Twelve kind of put it together, figured
it out, and it's making it happen right now. But
I think it's because of the group of people that
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live in those states and football just mean something to them.
I started the show by talking about the death of
the Pac twelve. Part of the reason is and the
one of the main reason why they're not getting a
TV deal is because people don't watch pack hole football.
There is it that love, that desire to show up
and fill the stadiums. I mean Ucla. You made fun
of me the other day about Ucla T Bob. You
(12:08):
said it was having one of their better years they've
had in the past decade, and they had fifteen thousand
people in the stands and the most historic stadium in
America with a really good football team that was on
the on the map. When it comes to possibly contending
to win for a Pac twelve championship, they could barely
get ten fifteen thousand people in the stands. So like, yeah,
(12:28):
it's it's it's not the Pac twelve's fault, necessarily, it's
the fans fault. They're the ones that are killing the conference.
The Big twelve fans are still showing up the games.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Yes, culturally, there is a major difference obviously between the
south and the West Coast and the Southwest and caring
about football. I wonder if hm, I mean, but then
they're there. I guess. Actually, I was gonna say there's
time disadvantages because when you have to play the games,
there's act of one thing. But that is the one
(13:00):
thing that also that is also ironically the Pack twelve's
great strength is that you get Pack twelve after dark,
where even if it's not the most exciting game, you're
still going to at least do x amount of numbers,
you know, a million or two, simply because there's no
other college football on at at the time. Look, it's unfortunate.
I was of the opinion when we had the article
(13:22):
a few months ago where Arizona School President's out here
talking about how a deal's about to get done, and
it's probably better than you think. I was of the
opinion that maybe we were wrong and the PAC twelve
was going to pull their own Hail Mary. But with
these recent Colorado reports, they appear dead in the water.
So we will We'll have to see over time. So
that's some of the news in the air. Dione and Prime,
(13:44):
you know Prime in Colorado. By the way, again, if
you are a fan, if you're a college football sicco
and you you love the Siicos committee, just remember there
is no bigger SICKO game than Nebraska Colorado to start
the season. Two objectively awful programs that we will be
locked into, sold out packed house. Great, it's it's gonna
(14:07):
be so sick.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
To Uh, let's go botho both.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
It's the big new it's the big new kickoff.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Correct Week one and Week two, big Neon Colorado games
TCU and Nebraska.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Wow, I mean Prime to Prime. You know what prime
time is whenever Prime is playing, Okay, that's prime time. Literally,
as we're going to find out this fall. Uh, the
SEC meetings are going down in Destin right now. It's
a great chance for all these people to go vacation,
a little bit kind of get out little work conference,
(14:40):
and it's provided us with a with a with a
with a good trickling of news. I would say, right
the battle lines are being drawn in terms of eight
or nine game schedule some of these other topics. I
hated that Kirby Smart called us out yesterday basically saying
he thinks that's the biggest non topic and that if
y'all are having to write about that, that we're bad. Okay,
(15:01):
Kirby fucking relaxed. Okay, we have content to fill. We
are a year round college football podcast. How about this.
How about y'all get your fucking head out of your
asses and you go ahead and slid by the nine
game schedule and then we have nothing to talk about.
How's that for bolton board material? Curb, Well, what does
your boy.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Brian Kelly just step up in front of everyone and
tell me what they're headed? As he did, He's the
only one that right now, like I feel good about
that's actually wants this thing to move in the right
direction and it is relevant. Like you know, listen, Kirby,
I love you, big guy, thank you for the championships.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
But careful.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
It is a It is a big deal, like people
want to know. People want an extra game. Like, maybe
it doesn't mean much to you guys for you know,
your scheduling, because at the end of day, it's all
all you guys care about is wins and losses. Like
I can't blame them for it. But for the average fan,
they want to be entertained. This is an entertainment business
and fans want to watch premium product every single weekend.
(16:00):
So yes, it is a big topic. For the general public,
they want to know or we're gonna have an opportunity
to watch an extra game every single year that actually
means something and not some BS game against some you know,
Sally stuttered school that you're gonna blow in the first half.
So it is a topic.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Uh yeah, I mean yeah, but okay, okay, So do
you want to know the dirty secret? Though?
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Why?
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Kind of Gary Kirby and I and I really don't
want to bring it up. Yesterday I think I kind
of mumbled it just that if anything, we probably just
end up with a one year placeholder, right, and you
probably do one more year of a games and then
in twenty five you go to nine. So like I
don't know. I don't know. Well, we'll wait and see
where it goes. The other news that came out yesterday, though,
imagine this Nick Saban back in the news once again
(16:49):
being soft. Here's some quotes from Nick Saban name, image
and likeness is a good thing for players to be
able to make money. But when it turns into pay
for play, now you're getting into a different area. Ummm.
And then he would go on to talk about, you
know if, well, I made a statement years ago it
(17:10):
got very criticized for it, is this what we want
college football to become? So now it's kind of becoming that.
I don't think it's going to be a level playing
field because some people are showing a willingness to spend
more than others. Wow, okay, there's a lot to impact here.
(17:31):
First off, very interesting that Saban would reference the last
time he said is this what we want football to become?
When about ten years ago in October twenty twelve, as
spread offices came into the SEC and Hugh freezing up
tempo was beating him, he asked that same question, is
this what we want college footble to come? And you
know what the answer is here absolutely that's a fuso lutely.
(17:55):
The fans love it. They love spread offense. It is
a hundred percent what they wanted college football to become.
So on one hand, interesting to bring it up in
that sense, but like, it's just the fundamental flaw in
everything that I just read out of Nick Saban's mouth
is the implication that things were ever equal to begin with,
(18:18):
that they've ever been equal. Like this man really set
up there and said, quote, I don't think it's going
to be a level playing field because some people are
showing a willingness to spend more than others. Nick, that
is rich. You put a barber shop in your football
ops simply because you could, because you had money and
needed to spend it on something to attract players. Like,
(18:40):
what are we talking about? That has Like everything in life,
college football has always rewarded those who are both willing
and have the money to spend. So it's not like
things are really changing. It's just the latest stage in evolution,
the same way that the up tempo office was just
offense was just the latest stage of evolution. So I
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just I don't really understand what Nick Saman's endgame is here.
It doesn't make any sense to me.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
No, it went from you know who had the bigger,
shiny facilities and indoor and weight room to now that
plus obviously the spending when it comes to nil, opportunities
for these kids too, So like it's just it's the
next iteration, it's the next thing. He also brought up.
I believe the fact of you know, I wouldn't mind
us getting to almost the NFL model, getting a union,
(19:32):
getting it to an equal playing field where everyone gets
paid the same, essentially putting these kids almost on salary
where hey, you commit to a D one university Power five,
here's your salary for the year. I don't know what
you would do with nil at that point, because I
would still think as like the NFL, yeah, you get
your salary, but you can still go get a deal
on top of that as well, So like does that
(19:53):
even slow it down? Anyways? If you're gonna be, if
you're willing to pay, maybe then the boosters will say, Okay,
if these kids are getting ex about of dollars, I
don't feel like my money needs to go to the players.
I'd rather go to the facilities. I don't think that
would happen. I still think it'd be the same way though, Yes, no.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
I mean you, you fucking nailed it, Aaron, like like
you nailed the other big disconnect in all of this,
because you're right. He goes on to talk about unionized
employee salary caps, which all sounds good on the surface, right,
but as you said, salary cap doesn't actually change anything
that's going on. Now, what's funny about saman talking about
(20:30):
a salary cap is he's basically exposing the very thing
he's decrying. He's decryed pay for play, and yet with
him talking about a salary cap, he's telling you that
he feels like he is generating the money to pay
these players. Then, although technically it's coming from businesses that
Alabama is in charge. It's like, Okay, you want a
(20:51):
salary cap, that's all well and good, but can you
stop players in the NFL from doing commercials? Right? Like,
like you said, like that all a dollary cap would do.
It would be money in addition to endorsements, right, Like, Okay,
I can sign with Alabama, I can get my hundred
k under the salary cap. But then is that going
to stop the biggest like the guy that owns BUCkies
(21:13):
Texas A and M guy, what's going to stop him
from wanting to give five million dollars to the number
one quarterback in the nation to push bucknuts nothing like.
So it doesn't actually address the issue at all. All
it does is exposed that, yeah, it all is pay
to play right now, but like boosters and businesses will
always be able to pay these players to advertise. So
(21:34):
I so even that doesn't really solve the issue at all.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
No, there's no side that it was somewhat dirty and
about money before. Now it's just legal and a lot
more amount money and there's no changing at this point,
Like there's nothing you could do. It is it is.
I don't know if it's a crying call to his boosters,
because I know he's had some comments in the past
(21:58):
about it about essentially they're not keeping up with say
the A and m's the world that are willing to
spend big time money to incentivize kids in the portal
and in high school ranks to come to A and
M or Texas or whatever it may be. These states
that do care about football a ton and do have
some d pockets. You just have to sell a different
narrative and listen it's not. Alabama's not hurting in the
(22:21):
recruiting chail. They've gotten top transfer kids in they had
the number one recruiting class in America. Like what they're
doing now with maybe not as much money as maybe
Nick Sabman would like on the NIL front is still working.
I think at the end of the day, Like to me,
I think these kids are still smart enough that like
(22:42):
I think we do at times overblow anil where we
think these kids are just super super greedy, Like, yes,
there there are some that just care about the money.
I still think if you if you had to do
a poll of rank and order why you're going to
ex University, it would be still one for the football,
(23:03):
two would be for the n I L football. Still one.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
I don't think that's true, dude. I don't think that's true.
I think that's very interesting that you say that. I
think it's like literally anyone else.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
I think it's different for high school too. I think
it's different from high school to the portal. I think
kids in the portal, maybe a little bit more established,
would say n I L looking to go get a buck.
I still think kids in high school are more looking
for where can I go play football, play now get
to the NFL.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
The problem is if they're a beast this like, the
best schools are also the ones that will pay the
most money. Right, so me and you could watch the
same big high school.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Alabama has struggled in NIL. They have struggled with an Il.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
I mean is that true? Save as Chad's point.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Too, that's one player, though, Bryce is different struggle.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Georgia struggled with an ilsrugg.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
I'm okay, struggling is the wrong world there compared to
not struggling to say Texas who took ad Mitchell to
A and M Like, there are universities that are spending big, big,
big time dollars to get players, and I think Georgia
and Alabama are kind of saying Nick Saban and Kirby
Smart have the mentality of that's great and all, but
(24:23):
we want guys that play football, love football, want to
win championships, want to go to the NFL.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Like if I'm I'm I'm gonna need this shit, I'm
gonna need this ship. I'm gonna need some hard numbers
on this because I do not buy this on a
Manda Man basis. You will always be able to find
individual exceptions like a bear Mitchell orn ad or bear bear.
What's bear Alexander or ad Mitchell like like you'll always
be able to find because Georgia has so many talented
(24:47):
guys that, yeah, they can have a freshman d lyman
that would immediately become the best player on USC's defense,
but was like the fifth best player in Georgia's like
he's not going so like I don't know, man, I
don't I think that Georgia. I think Georgia Obama are
doing just fine. You're doing good. You're doing good. They are.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
I'm not I'm not saying they're lacking once again. I'm
just saying there are other brands that are doing better.
And that is what were we save it, which at
the the day, I don't think it should. I don't.
I think there's plenty of great town out there that
could still go to Alabama, maybe take a little bit
of a pay cut and set themselves up better for
the future, which the smart kids would rather do that
(25:27):
I would I would take I would take one hundred
k at Alabama Georgia instead of one hundred and fifty
hundred k.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
At A and M not too d K well that's
fucking bad business. So you should go to college to
get fucking smart. It's not businesses. It's not that it
is you.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
We we we say bad we We we have Paul.
We applauded Sly yesterday for being good business by taking
a pay cut from CBS to build the brand of
the SEC and now look what happened. Same true with players.
You take the pay cut, you go to a place
that develops you, and you turn to a first run
NFL draft pick where you get multi, multi millions of dollars.
(26:11):
I would take that pay cut to go to Alabama
or Alabama or Georgia.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
That is fair, But you're still getting one hundred k.
And the first question you're asking is still what is
the nil offers? Again, as it should be, one of
the first questions you ask getting any job is what
is the number? Right? Because that's what's going to determine
whether or not I'm going to uproot my family, whether
or like that. That's just how the world works. And
(26:37):
I thought Lane Kiffin had some really good commentary. He's
just very honest about everything. He's like, that is what
kids care about. It it's in il What am I
going to get inn il wise, that's going to be
the first question matter what you used to be facilities,
that's what's going on now. I think that's like I said,
I think that makes sense. I think it's the same
thing I would do. I think it's same thing ninety
nine percent of people to do. And although Aaron, you're right,
(26:58):
you're right, especially going with yesterday, the example of him
was a great point. Maybe it's not always the most
shrewd mood to just take the money, but the vast
majority of human beings are going to take the two
hundred k over the one hundred k and don't I
don't blame them. I don't think that's bad. I think
that again, like all this stuff, like going back to
what Saban said, right, is this what we want college
(27:22):
football to be? I don't know what college football is
going to be? Who knows. I mean, we have been
talking about fundamental changes to the fabric of the game
and the foundation itself, like seismic type of changes. What
I do know is that college football is going to
continue and I'm going to continue to love it, right,
(27:44):
and it'll be better in some ways from my perspective,
it'll be worse in some ways. From my perspective, and
you'll have other people who will view the same things
just and interpret them the complete opposite way. Right, Like,
so when Nick Savid says, is this what we are?
College football would come? The answer is that our wants
are relevant. It is what college football is becoming. To
college football will become what it is meant to be.
(28:06):
And so at this point we have to go back
to our junior high economics classes and just trust in
the invisible hand of Adam Smith, like trust in the
market that everybody seeking their own best self interest will
in the end lead to a better overall product. And
much like the invisible hand, Yes, will it promote corruption, greed, oligarchy, Yeah, absolutely,
(28:33):
But it's what leads us to force super conferences, It's
what leads us to USC Ohio State late in November.
It's what gives us LSU Texas in October. Like this
is how that all happens. So, like everything else in life,
it changes and it gets new, and you won't I
(28:55):
guess you just have to hope that in your view
it gets better. But I know I'll be here for
the show no matter what, because I love it and
I'm not going anywhere so it doesn't really matter what
I want college football to be. There's no stopping.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Yeah, it's for coaches to yeah, for Nick Saban and
Dabbo and other coaches. And we kind of gave some
shade yesterday to Eli Drinkwitz there at Missouri, which really
didn't deserve it. You just, I mean, as much as
you can, just don't talk about it, which is hard
(29:29):
because it's going to be a part of every interview
you do. But man, you better be positive, positive, positive
that hey, and il's great. Our kids are getting paid.
I love it. Love the fact that kids are getting paid.
It's a new college football. And you put a damn
good twist on it because you know, I said, the
kids still want. Kids want football, they do want to
(29:49):
get paid to and if they can get both, they're
going to get both.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Which, according to Clint Moses CBS recruit spinding reports at
Georgia number one, spending four and a half mill billion
dollars in the recruiting exit efforts Michigan. I know, but
but but the thing is, the thing is it's not
the it's the same ship. I was just talking about
this idea of Nick Saban. Be Like, now the people
(30:15):
who are willing to spend the more are gonna win
the most. It's always fucking been that way.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Nick is always spend money in recruiting. Nick has been the.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Exactly exactly that's struggling nil when they're spending more money
and recruiting than anybody else.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
University, spending more money on the university, the university, the university.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
I get what you're trying to say. What I'm saying
that functionally it doesn't matter technically, different streams. I get
what you're saying, and that money is not going directly
into players bank accounts, but it is representative of the
overall buy in from the Georgia ecosystem right now, and
buying is unstoppable because, as we talked about, you have
(30:54):
the right general at the helm and he's leading to
a golden age. So no, George, whoever spins the most
will always be the best. It's just it's it's like
anything else in life, and it's never been any different.
It won't be any different, Nick Saban, So shut the
fuck up and play nine games. Dude the hell, you're
the one that's making this so hard for no reason.
(31:15):
You get you know what he is, You know what
he is.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Put your foot down, Sankie, just make it happen. Let's go.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
He's getting old, Nick is you know he's gay?
Speaker 3 (31:26):
I did this on my earlier show today. Uh. Two
questions over under a half championships for Nick Saban and
the rest of his career over under four and a
half years before he retires. He'll be seventy to this October.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
I can't imagine a world without Nick Saban. So I
I you know what, Okay, I've been watching a lot
of Succession lately, and I'm in the middle season three.
I'm not in the finale, so nobody, please don't spoil
anything if you're in the chat right now.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
But god, well, okay, for life so good?
Speaker 2 (32:08):
But uh but I am, I am? I am? But wait?
Why am I blaming the fucking man Kendle's dad? What's
the main Carol Logan Roy?
Speaker 3 (32:18):
Thanks?
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Oh my god? I feel like Nick Saban, how the
characters in that show feel about Logan Roy. Where basically
it's impossible to imagine a business without Logan Roy, even
though all the writing is on the wall, like I
have to go over on the four and a half
years for Nick Saban and I have to go over
on the national championship because I've seen him do it.
(32:41):
I don't care. I don't care. He could be ninety
six and I would say over. That's my point. He
has built himself into a boogeyman, and to more than
I said he. I don't apply normal rules to Nick Saban.
So no, I think I'll go over on both easily.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
I'm going I'm going under on both.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
I just that's called wishful thinking right there, espally now,
because what you're not appreciating is that Kirby gave him
the juice back. Okay, it's like Batman in the joke.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
A year ago, and he's had I think maybe the
entire time in Alabama this.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Year, perfect perfect, get him even more pissed off. Okay,
It's like it's they're the two sides of the same coin, right,
They need one another. Everybody needs an adversary to push
them otherwise they get bored. And now Nick Saban has
the greatest adversary he's ever had, and it's one of
his own creation. In a classic tale as old as time,
(33:40):
the apprentice becoming the master, the old man getting put
out to pastor out back. Can he punch back? One
more time. We're gonna see over these next couple of years.
But no, I will always beat the over on Nick Saban.
I hate him and and he literally is responsible for
the worst single experience and defeat of my entire life.
(34:03):
But but I but I do respect him. Unfortunately, what
he's built now he needs to play nine games. Okay, Nick,
that's all asking. Uh did you did you see the
athletics EA Sports article?
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Where they put together the the greatest all time teams.
I don't have a lot to say here, like in
terms of taking what's an AWFU way to set up
the conversation, but I think like, if you're listening to
this show, I think that's yeah, well okay, okay, So no,
well that's the thing about this game though, that thing
about that. So Chris fin he needed an article on
the athletic and he looked at the uh, the the
(34:43):
all EA Sports team, right, thirty years of college football
from EA Sports twenty one titles. Let's put together the
best team possible. But Aaron, he didn't do just the
highest rated he did. He did a you know who
was just the hardest to play against. Right, So, like
infamously Michael Vick in Maden No. Four was unstoppable to
(35:03):
the point where it was banned in a lot of homes,
Like I know, me and my friends because you know,
we had a lot of Falcons fans grew up in Atlanta.
Everybody always wanted to do what we ended up having to,
like kind of call it. Nobody could beat Michael Vick.
Well that's where Pat White comes in, because I agree.
If you used Pat White in n C doaah nine
him Steve Slayton running the option was unstoppable. It was incredible. Uh,
(35:29):
the honorable mention is on the sister trail prior Tim
Tebow and vincient.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
Let me guess, was Marcus that guy? And unless you
like used that damn.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Margus Spears, Bro, Marcus Spears was a fucking beast. Marcus
Spears had a pick to the National Championship. Nice, yeah,
to win the game?
Speaker 3 (35:47):
Uh be to beatle u Q you guys, look at you,
q l s you guys, Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
Look at you Q Tim Tebow guys. Uh. Tim Tebo
though for the only two time ninety nine rated player
all time in both twenty ten and.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
All time best quarterback of all time.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Uh, Matt Lionard Andrew luck Post reached ninety nine. But
again they couldn't run Man and and especially at that time,
elite running quarterbacks like video games, real life just couldn't
really account for them quite yet. Uh, they have Reggie
Bush and Darren mcfaannas the running backs love it. I
mean speaks for itself. Who he got at fullback? Some
(36:28):
guy from Rutgers Brian Leonard blocking Rutgers true true wide receivers.
You got Roy Williams from two thousand and four. Who
didn't you talk to Roy Williams this last year of snaps?
I think that was? That was?
Speaker 3 (36:44):
That was Roy Williams of Oklahoma defensive back.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Oh shit, okay, it was okay because Texas Roy Williams
again to go back to LSU Texas. He won Texas
at Coddon Bowl against LSHU back in the day. I
think it was like two thousand and two. Maybe it
was the damnedest thing do. He just dominated them. And
then they have for Shawn Woods from Oklahoma State. I
(37:08):
don't remember who Shawn Woods actually.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
Real miss here on this list. The one fall in
the article was Crowtrey. I thought Crowtree was Oh was
a true because he was so big and his catch rats.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
Yeah, but what a like Calvin Johnson you would think
would be that though you know.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Calvin Johnson was an after dog as well.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
You don't have to get him. The ball is the
problem in the game, like you're running essentially the triple option.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
No, they weren't running the triple option then when when
Calvin was there, but you.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Did, you didn't. You didn't have the quarterback that you weren't.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
They had ball there. Ball wasn't terrible.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
He wasn't throwing fifty times a game when Texas Tech
was though, when they're like the heyday of Mike Leach
being you know Texas, the peak of Texas.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Yeah, shut up, well not no, not you bro. Aaron
just tried to claim that Reggie All was the reason
why you should play with Calvin Johnson. I like Regie.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
I'm just trying to think of like their run trip
option back then, they were running pro stole offense.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
It was terrible offensive lineman. None of y'all are gonna
give a fuck, But I was happy to see Ben
Wilkerson in their legendary center from LSU. My favorite coach
I ever played for ninety nine overall on oh four,
you get a defense David Pollock A ninety nine back
in the day, How bad Aaron your.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
Boy See's stunt man? Davion Clowney fucking nightmare to play against?
Ninety nine?
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Did Jadavian Clowney? Was he like hard to play against?
Was he good in college?
Speaker 3 (38:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (38:43):
He was a.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
I've been slung around like a rag doll from jadeveon
a couple of times.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Really so. But but but not as bad as Fairly.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
No no, no, no, no no no no. Fairly was powerful.
Clowny was just the length, the speed, strong hands, but
never never did me dirty like Fairly was dirty. Connie wasn't.
Conne Is a good dude. Was a dirty motherfer dirty fucker.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Oh man? Uh And then look, I mean you got Larring,
you got whatever? You go out this list. It's fun names.
I guess The main thing is it does get you
just super super excited about about what is what is
coming next. One interesting thing to note that probably gives hmm,
(39:42):
I'm trying to I don't want to say this. That
probably gives whatever. I don't don't know, I don't know
what I'm trying to say. There there there's a there's
a weird rhythm with all this, where like early on
players ready super high, then they got very picky about
it around like six and then uh or no, they
just started to hang out rating to everyone and then
it kind of trickled back down. But whatever, I can't
(40:03):
wait for this game to come back out, Aaron. Are
you ready for a corn Hub Colonel of the day.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
Jimmy, give me that little colonel baby, show me what
you got.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
All right. This is the corn Hub podcast, your daily
dose of Nebraska football. This is a podcast that originates
out of Baton Rouge, Louisiana. I'm your host. Teacub Husker
is not in today. We are still trying to get
Aaron to join the Hive. Officially, we'll get him in
the hub, don't worry. But we have a couple of
(40:33):
Nebraska cakeoff times. And who doesn't love a little Friday football. Well,
if you do, you can catch Nebraska at Illinois Friday,
October sixth, eight pm on FS one. Oh little early
fall in the air Friday night. Not gonna be anything
else on. You're not gonna be going too crazy Aeron,
(40:55):
because you'll probably be in some city getting ready to
call an ESPN game the next day. Grab yourself a
whiskey and lock in for Matt Rule versus Burt Blima.
That's what I'm talking about. Oh, that's gonna be fun. Actually,
it's even more fun. How about this No Friday, November
twenty fourth, the day after Thanksgiving. You got a tummy
(41:16):
full of trip to fan. You're probably making a little
turkey sausage gumbo with your turkey stuck. Chances are you
got leftover cranberry sandwich is coming your way, and what
are you gonna take it all? Wash it all down?
With Iowa at Nebraska. That's right, noon CB Big ten
on CBS at noon, Hawkeyes versus the Huskers. That is
(41:43):
the good stuff that is college football personified right there.
Look forward, there's your corn Hub Colonel of the day.
Can't wait.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
I will not go in on the pol right now.
Give me, give me. This is going to be a
petite trojan boy situation. I'm gonna have to see a
little some something from Nebraska early on the season before
I joined corn Hub. Look, they're gonna beat the fence.
I'm on the other side of the fence, and like I'm
on the other side, I'm going for the crime.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
What if they beat the crap out of Colorado?
Speaker 3 (42:21):
Not enough? Not enough. It's one to eleven team you beat,
not enough. I need to see you beat a competitive
football team.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
I kind of feel like Colorado is going to beat Nebraska.
They shouldn't. I hope they do, because Nebraska still had
like a bunch of top twenty recruiting classes. Like Nebraska
kept recruiting well, they just could never. They just can't
develop players. Matt Rules should be we'll see. That's kind
of crazy to really think about, is just how much
narrative is going to be on the line in that
(42:48):
first game. I mean the takes of, you know, Colorado,
who's a disaster to on such an asshole he kicked
out all these kids for no reason, blah blah, or
oh my god, Matt Rule so overrated, Nebraska can't even
be Colorado.
Speaker 3 (43:03):
Are who benefit more from week one? I would say
Dion from a week yes, bro, the.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
One and eleven Colorado to then beating the big Tens
Nebraska week one would be borderline disastrous for Matt Rule.
In my opinion, I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
What do you mean though?
Speaker 2 (43:24):
I don't think the takes would be kind? What do
you think they're gonna say after that?
Speaker 3 (43:27):
Obvious they're not gonna be kind. But I would say,
like I just said, I think I think Dion would
have a harder that takes, would be harder on Don
than that rule. After the game he took No, Yes.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
He took over an infinitely worse situation.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
I don't care he cleared house. He's doing it his way.
I think that ruled the excuses. Look at what he's
done every school. Your one's not great, why should this
be any different? Your one's not great. This is building for.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
Your to transfer for That's why. That's why there is
no excuse. Uh No, Darth janis my my corn Hub
name is tacop I Guys. I know historically rules sucks
the first season, but he's not going to be allowed
to go three and nine this year. It just can't happen.
You're allowed to get tired. He has a pretty It's
(44:19):
not like he's gonna get fired, but I'll be disappointed,
Like he should be better than that. Nebraska should be
No Iowa versus Nebraska is not torture like dog. That's
the good stuff. That is why, Like if Nick Saban's
gonna ask I can't wait for that. I want Yeah, good,
that's what Nick Saban wants. That, that's what he wants
college football to be, and that's what at least we'll
(44:42):
still have that in an age of having to watch
freaking Georgia and Texas with their seven million dollar rosters
going toe to toe with one another. Okay, give me
the good Midwest ship, give me some of that home
spun grandma's quilt type of shit it because that's what
Iowa versus Nebraska is. Clint Moosa's rule interview sounds better
(45:07):
than Luke Fickle. Yeah. I don't know much about Luke Fickle,
to be honest, I know he's very good and he
looks intimidating. But like honestly, I you know, I'll be
interested to see now that he's finally out of out
of Cincinnati, is he yeah? Is he real or not?
Speaker 3 (45:25):
I think he's real.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
I think so probably too. I mean he brought he
got he got a Cincinnati team with like multiple NFL
first rounders, including Sauce Gardner, and took him to playoffs.
Like yeah, that's that's prettyn good. Uh all right, that'll
do it for Todays show unless anybody has anything else,
Did I missed anything? No? And he goes, all right, good,
We're good. Hey, check it out again. Remember Monday, we
(45:50):
are launching the new Snaps YouTube channel. Whether you're watching
live on YouTube or listening to the podcast in Apple Spotify.
Were listening to podcast Raight Review. Uh, we want your help.
We're gonna be pushing it hard, y'all. We're gonna have
content immediately up day one. We're gonna have shorts popping
off constantly. It is going to be the place to
be for Snaps and we want to try to make
(46:13):
it as big as we can, so we're gonna need
everybody on board for this. It's like Brian Kelly always
takes about alignment. Okay, We're gonna need alignment to achieve
our ultimate vision and that's exactly what we're gonna do.
Aaron steven A Smith on the way out here, was
asking this this morning. Have you ever tasted your wife's
(46:34):
breast milk?
Speaker 3 (46:36):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (46:37):
What did you think of it? It's good, a little sweet,
I like it isn't crazy. It tastes like cereal milk.
The only thing that freaked me out where you had
all freaked out by the temperature because it is warm, right,
it clearly just came out of another human being.
Speaker 3 (46:52):
Yes, no, no, no, I was well prepared, knowing the fact
that I help bottle feed the baby, so i've I've
kind of felt the milk, and yes, it's warm. Babies
don't want cold milk.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
So can I take it one step too far?
Speaker 3 (47:15):
You probably not?
Speaker 2 (47:17):
Okay? Did you suckle directly from the teat when you
tasted it.
Speaker 3 (47:24):
The first time? No? But I mean you know that
has happened during adult adult activities? Yes, yeah, hell yeah?
Speaker 2 (47:34):
Cool? Snap, just a couple of Homelander boys here on
snaps and what do you want us to do? Yeah? Dude,
it might have nine for me too. Yeah, your boys
might get back. I will see. I hate about it. It's right,
it's good for you, Like if a baby gets sick, right,
(47:56):
isn't the mother's breast milk which helped them not get sick?
And the end of the day, the bodies Oh, we
should say too. Maybe it's a slight programming note. Will
probably keep more of this sort of talk towards the
end as maybe like a little bonus for people who
care about such frivolities, whereas we'll probably do a better
(48:19):
job here going forward about kind of diving right into
the meat potatoes. College football takes the beginning of show,
and then at the end Eric could tell us about
how Maddox is like shit all over his bedroom and
smeared on the walls, or whatever is the latest crazy
gaser intestinal issue going on in the Murray household. We're
all good on that front there. Everything all good. We're good.
Speaker 3 (48:41):
Yeah, we're The butt's good. The butt's good. The mirror
Act really helps kind of clean you out.
Speaker 2 (48:49):
Yeah. Now, we just need our kids to stop walking
up to random strangers and telling them to spank them
bad on multiple levels. But my kid and Aaron's kid
is doing that right now.
Speaker 3 (49:00):
Out spank me, Dad, idea spanking I No, no, no,
you do not a spanking kid. Hugs and kisses, hugs
and kisses.
Speaker 2 (49:10):
Oh man, all right, well hey look we we We
love y'all. We love y'all so much. Man, Thank you
everybody hanging out with this, thinking to everybody who listens.
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