June 1, 2023 • 41 mins
Jason McIntyre in for Colin
Thoughts on the story Aaron Rodgers wanted Packers GM Brian Gutekunst fired
Preview game 1 of the NBA Finals
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Welcome to the Herd.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
It's me Jason McIntyre in for vacationing Colin Cowherd. I
believe he is on maybe a I don't even know
what the word is for it, but he's somewhere in
Iceland enjoying a nice respite. I'm joined today by Alex Curry. Alex,
how you doing?
Speaker 4 (00:44):
I'm doing great. How was Paris?
Speaker 5 (00:45):
You were also vacation jmag Yes, one of my favorite places.
I got to spend like six weeks there for the
World Cup in twenty.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
Nineteen, so tell me goodness favorite part.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
I got less than a week there, but it was incredible.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Arc de Triomph was amazing, Eiffel Tower was decent, the flump,
the people, the vibes.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
The energy culture.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
I mean, Paris probably now on my favorite cities, would
have to be after New York in the world that
I've been to.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
As just traveling.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Are you a traveler? You know? I actually have in
the open that I'm gonna say. It's tough to travel
when you're doing the sports stuff. You can't travel during
football season. It's kind of relegated to summer when all
the tourists are out.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
It's difficult.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
But we got one in during the NBA playoffs, and yeah,
it was a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
It's good to be back.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Obviously, the calendar says June first, and Alex, I don't
know if you know.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
June first a big day for me.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Seven years ago today we moved the family from Pennsylvania
out west. So this is my seven year anniversary at Fox.
Very exciting, and we moved to my hometown I did. Yeah,
We're enjoying the South Bay greatly. While I was on vacation. Obviously,
you know, some NBA happenings occurred, and we'll get to
the NBA Finals. Obviously, Nuggets versus the Heat. I thought
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it was gonna Celtics. We'll get to that shortly. Couple
couple of good wagers in play for the series. But
I do want to start with a big kind of
bombshell that dropped in the NFL. You know, sometimes when
you get new information, you've got to change the way
you look at a story.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
And for the longest time, Aaron Rodgers had kind of.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Been wacky guy, you know, issues with his family, jetting
around between celebrities and just kind of one of these
guys that you couldn't really get a handle on. And
now you've got a big story that dropped. The Athletic
had it that Aaron Rodgers back in twenty twenty one
tried to fire his GM Brian Gutkuanz, who had been
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with the organization for twenty years. Now, obviously, you know
when you get somebodyh's been with the organization that long.
I believe he had been GM since twenty eighteen, you
need some context. So why would Rogers want this guy out?
Why would he do that? Why would he push a
power play? And I think the answer is simple, And
you've got to, you know, look around in the league,
and you got to look in your.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Own life and say, wow, you know, maybe I agree
with him.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
So the context is in twenty twenty, Aaron Rodgers coming
off a good year. They went thirteen and three in
twenty nineteen, and the Packers decide low and behold, we're
gonna not help out the defense, which just got shredded
by the forty nine Ers in the NFC title game.
They lost thirty seven to twenty. The Niners memorably had
like eight pass attempts in the entire game. And the Packers,
you know, they could draft defense to bolsh the roster,
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and Aaron Rodgers get scored from his agent. They traded
up for a quarterback and Rogers kind of went into
a tailspin. And I don't think you can blame him.
Ladies and gentlemen, just think about this briefly. You have
your job wherever you do. Maybe you're banging out TPS
reports in the office or wherever you work, and all
of a sudden, one day your boss comes to you
and says, hey, we just hired this new guy. I
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want you to introduce so I want you to kind
of mentor him, and I want you to tutor him.
And you look up this new gentleman who was hired
and you're like, Wow, this guy's kind of on the
same track that I am.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
He's kind of in my role. Did they just hire
my replacement?
Speaker 3 (03:55):
And you know, Aaron Rodgers looks in the mirror says,
wait a second, I'm in my mid thirties. You guys
just drafted a quarterback who was mediocre at best in college.
And let's be real, Jordan Love I think his highlight
was leading the country in interceptions his final year in college.
And Aaron Rodgers was ticked off. And this can go
one or two ways when this kind of thing happens.
You know, you could do door number one. Hey, I'm
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gonna be motivated and I'm gonna kick button. I'm gonna
show them. Or you could go number two and say, hey,
this is unacceptable. I've been with the company for a decade. Okay,
I'm your guy. Blood, sweat and tears poured into this organization.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
I'm out.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
And you could reach out around the league or in
your job. You could reach out in your landscape of
work and say, hey, I need a new job.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
I'm getting out of here.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
And it's funny, but we have seen this before, ladies
and gentlemen, high profile quarterback mid thirties had a good
but not great year and they went and drafted his replacement.
Let me introduce you to Tom Brady and the New England Patriots,
who could forget twenty fourteen, the Patriots go and draft
Jimmy Garoppolo, little known quarterback.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
It was not a trade up in the first round.
I believe he once se round.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
And the context here is I was at that NFL
combine right before Garoppolo was drafted, and there was some buzz. Yeah,
Garoppolo could be interesting, but Patriots with Brady locked in,
and you know what Tom Brady did, of course memorably
took it as motivation, said you're gonna draft my replacement.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Tom Brady went on to win the Super Bowl the
next year.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Remember the awesome Super Bowl he had against Seattle where
he drove the length of the field twice in the
fourth quarter against the best defense in the league, the
Legion of Boom, and the Patriots win.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Brady Super Bowl MVP.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
He showed them, He showed Belichick, hey, you're gonna draft
my replacement, And of course Brady went on to.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Win another Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Patriots capitulated and said, okay, fine, fine, we messed up.
We'll ship Garoppolo out of town. That was not good
enough for Brady. Everybody knows. He ended up leaving to
go to Tampa, where he won another Super Bowl and
then he really showed Bill Belichick how he missed. Hey,
makes just a catastrophic mistake drafting Garoppolo. And now you
look at Aaron Rodgers and folks, let's be real. Aaron
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Rodgers used it as motivation. The year after Jordan Love
was drafted. What did Rogers do? He throw forty eight
touchdown passes, nearly doubled his output from the year prior motivation,
You're drafted my replacement, bleep off Brian gudakunzk, I'm gonna
go win an MVP. And then the year after he
won another one. But the problem here is he tried
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to get Gudacunt fired, according to the story, and the
Packers refuse to do it. Now that's where it gets icy.
The Patriot said, we will trade Garoppolo. The Packers they
refused to trade Jordan Love. Aaron Rodgers unhappy. Aaron Rodgers
forced his way out. Can you blame him? Just think
about it for a moment. Can you really blame Aaron
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Rodgers for demanding the fire the GM it doesn't happen.
And then Aaron Rodgers Bailey, I think this story coming out, now,
what a couple weeks. Three weeks after the Jets land,
Aaron Rodgers in what everybody thinks is like a massive win.
Jets finally have a franchise call back, and everybody's questioned, well,
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Aaron Rodgers as a wacky guy. He went on to
Darkness Retreat. Okay, he's going to Taylor Swift Concerts in
New York now with the guy from Top Gun, Maverick
Miles Teller his actor buddy.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
This is a This is a new Aaron Rodgers as.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
A Jets fan, and everybody knows I'm born in New York,
massive Jets fan. I think you've got to look at this, like,
wait a minute, Maybe Rogers isn't that wacky dude who
goes from dating celebrities to having issues with his family
and his brother. Maybe this is like a genuine I'm
ticked off at a franchise I poured my life into
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for a decade, I would stand.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Out in the community. I was a leader on the field.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
I was a leader not always but occasionally off the field,
And you're gonna kick me to the curb in my
mid thirties for my replacement, Like, how do you expect
him to respond? I think it's a normal reaction that
Tom Brady had in New England and that now Aaron
Rodgers had in Green Bay. And the Packers, well, they're
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up the creek without a paddle. They now have to
hope that Jordan Love is their guy replacing Rogers. In folks,
this is going to reflect poorly on the GM if
Jordan Love is not able to deliver. Meanwhile, Aaron Rodgers,
you gotta be excited if you're a Jets fan. Now,
I know the deal is kind of front loaded, and
if he doesn't play enough games or snaps or whatever
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it is, then yeah, maybe he steps away and the
Packers don't get a number one pick. But if you're
a Jets fan, I think you've got to be excited
that perhaps this is a motivated Rogers. Maybe he's going
to be as motivated as Brady was to go to
Tampa and win a Super Bowl. And you know, last
week Colin alluded to Rogers looking younger and more into
almost a different guy. He's a different dude in New
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York because he's away from that toxic environment where he
wanted the GM fired. The GM would not fire him,
or the President would not fire the GM and Rogers
is kind of like stuck in no man's I'm delivering.
I got you guys two MVP awards. I put us
in position to win the super Bowl. I know he
didn't deliver that. He didn't actually win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
And you can go.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Back to that tough inside the ten play where he
could have maybe run in the NFC Championship game against
the Bucks, he could have maybe run for the touchdown,
did not quite get there.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
They opt to kick the field goal. You know, that's history.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
But if you're a Jets fan, this is a great day,
feeling that, Wow, we could have Aaron Rodgers, not one year,
but maybe two years.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
We don't have to worry about that Zach Wilson nonsense.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
But I will say this whole idea of trying to
move on from a superstar. I did some reading on
vacation and I came across this Russian proverb where you
try to wash the bear without making him angry. And
you know that, of course is impossible to wash him.
Get a bear's for wet and he's not gonna get angry.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
That's impossible.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
It is extremely difficult to do that. We've got a
franchise quarterback. He's getting up there in age, and we
do want to move on. How do you delicately do it?
You know, we saw this with a Golden State Warrior,
ladies and gentlemen, James Wiseman, Jordan Poole, Jonathan Kaminga.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
How tough was that season?
Speaker 3 (10:06):
It just happens. Steve Current, Draymond Green, Yeah, the punch
kind of ruined it. Jordan Pool, we gave him the
big contract. Now Klay Thompson's all worried is he gonna
get paid? Draymond's upset that maybe Jordan Pool's the new Clay.
Jordan Pool's running his mouth. It is extremely challenging for
these organizations to have a franchise guy and pivot to
the next generation without falling off a cliff. I'll go
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back to Dan Marino memorably in Miami. They had their guy,
they get to a Super Bowl, never got back there again.
Had Dan Marino for fifteen years, You got your franchise quarterback,
you lose him, and now you're in the wilderness. The
Miami Dolphins haven't done jack squat since losing Marino. And
I don't want to be too negative here on the Packers,
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but actions speak louder than words and their actions towards
the Jordan Love contract not great.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
They did not do the fifth year option.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
They give him an incentive laden one year extension, and
it almost reads as if they're not sure Jordan loves
the guy. And now will Green Bay be in the
wilderness looking to replace Farv and then Rogers and then forever.
It's going to be extremely difficult, so very challenging for
the Packers, very optimistic for my jets. Right, we got
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a big, big, big show today, A couple of great guests.
We're gonna get to DeAndre Hopkins landing spots with Albert Breer,
Eric Mangini, got Rick Buker, my guy stopping by. We
will talk about those Warriors, a couple of head coaching
moves in the NBA. Alex should be a good one.
NBA Finals Game one tonight. We will give away our
picks yet, Right, it's too early in the show, But I.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
Mean June first, your anniversary of moving to the West Coast.
NBA Finals starting today. It's a big it's a big
celebration day.
Speaker 6 (11:47):
You got a monster show today, Yes, yes, all right,
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Speaker 3 (11:59):
You are now entering the No Bull Zone sponsored by
Credible Great Rates with none of the bull. So while
I was in France, obviously we did not turn on
the TV in the hotel room. We're out of the
hotel room. Basically the whole time missed. The Celtics come
back from down three to one to force Game seven
against the Heat missed at all. I was not on
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Twitter at all, because I, you know, don't like being
on Twitter when I'm on vacation. I was on Instagram,
which is fun. But this Miami Heat team, like they
nearly collapsed against Boston. Somehow we're able to pull that
out and gave seven Jason Tatum hurt his ankle, and
the Heat advance of the finals, and it sets up
a finals that a lot of the NBA purists are
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into Denver Nuggets, who everybody loves, and the Miami Heat
just a great underdog story. But of course you've got
you know, the social media types who are like, oh,
nobody's gonna watch this. The ratings are gonna be awful,
Like nobody cares about the ratings guys, unless you're a
TV executive. That's just how it is. It's actually a
great finals because it really pushes back against I like
to call the calculator crowd. Okay, we've seen this for
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a while. Analytics have overtaken sports massively, and it's kind
of pushed a lot of fans out. We know, baseball
was kind of first to usher in the moneyball era
with the A's and then the Red Sox and then
everybody's doing moneyball. NFL has kind of gone that route
more in recent years, where running backs just don't really
matter anymore.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
They're devalued.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
You do not give them the second contract, point out
Zeke Christian McCaffrey ends up getting traded.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Linebackers.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Remember when middle linebackers roamed and they were dominant. You
needed a middle linebacker, tough guy in the middle of
Now it's like who pays linebackers? Like is there a
ton of value in them? Smart teams they don't pay linebackers.
And then of course there's the you need a quarterback
on the rookie deal so you can make a deep
run and load up at every other position like there are.
Analytics really are into football more than they ever have been.
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And so you got basketball and they really have been
pushed by analytics a lot.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
I think in a good way. I'm a three point guy.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
You know, my men's league, I'm a three point sniper
or I like to think of myself as it. But
now in the NBA, it's basically threes or dunks, that's it.
And the Miami Heat have totally flipped that narrative completely
with this run to the finals, because they.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Were the twenty seventh ranked team in.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Threes during the regular season, twenty seven at staggering.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
You know what they are in the NBA postseason.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
First, how on earth could a team that was so
bad from deep for an eighty two game sample all
of a sudden flipped the script and a seventeen to
eighteen game sample size, and now they're the best.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Three point shooting team.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
And then you combine that with you know, in the NBA,
a lot of people the NBA draft is coming up.
I did a mock draft recently for Fox Sports, and
a lot of it is measurements. What's your length, like,
what's your wingspan? They care so much about that three
and d Can you defend multiple positions? Look at the
Miami Heat. How they're built? Fifty two percent of their
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points against the Celtics in that seven game series came
from undrafted players Duncan Robinson, Caleb Martin who was nearly
the MVP of the Eastern Conference Finals, Caleb Martin, Okay,
Max Strus, Gabe Vincent.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
How are they doing this?
Speaker 3 (15:10):
They have broken a lot of the models that the
NBA look at, and now you're shaped up with a
Wait a second, is this just an outlier a one off?
Miami got lucky? Did they get lucky to beat the Bucks?
And they were big dogs against the Bucks? I know
Jannis got hurt. Against the Knicks, they were slight underdogs.
I picked the Knicks in that series. Then against Boston
they were big underdogs. It's like, how are they able
to continually pull this off with undrafted players and garbage
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stats from the regular season? And I say garbage because
they are the only playoff team this year with a
negative point differential. This season, they're the first NBA team,
I believe in sixty years to make the finals with
a negative point differential. Folks, none of this adds up.
The analytics skies are like the shrug emoji.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
What do we do? How is this happening? It doesn't
make any sense now. Of course for Denver it makes
a ton of sense.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
They've got the best player in the league in Jokic,
But also a bit of a change in the narrative.
It's been a wing league. Centers have been kind of
shoved out right. Remember the Patrick ewing E, Lajahwan, David Robinson.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
That was the air I grew up in. Centers were everything.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
You have to have a center, A big, lumbering dude
back to the basket. Those don't really exist anymore. Entered
Nikole y Okich, a second round pick who is now
greatest player in the league.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
I'm sorry, no disrespect to Joel Embiid. He should not
have been the MVP. We discussed this at length, but
Jokich is.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Now the first really big man that's been the center
of a team since wait for folks, shack.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
I know some people will say Tim Duncan, but.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
If you want to say Tim Duncan, I'll buy it.
But by the way, when he when they won in
twenty fourteen, Kawhi was the MVP.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Duncan was a little old.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
So centers are they back now in vogue? With Nikola Jokic,
and there's just so many great angles to this series.
I'm supremely fascinated by it. I'll be watching tonight my
official pick. I took Nuggets in seven just because heart
of a champion with the heat, even though they haven't
been a champion with Jimmy Butler yet.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
This Eric Spolster stuff, and I gotta give Colin credit.
He was early on this. Spolstro one of the best
coaches in the league, folks.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
This is staggering. Spolster's going to his six finals. You
know how many Steve Kurr's been to six. You know
how many Popovich has been to six. Spolster's in that
class right now. Okay, anytime Lebron leaves a franchise, they
fall off a cliff.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
They don't do any anything for a while. They're done.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Okay, Lebron left Miami, Spolstrow was able to recalibrate pretty
quickly and they're back in the finals for the second time.
That's pretty damn impressive. I think Spolstro.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
If you're doing a mount.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Rushmore for coaches in the league right now, Spolstra has
to be on there.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Let's go to Alex Curry with the news. No, no
turn on the news. This is the herd Line news.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
Let's get started in the NFL, because Jimmy Garoppolo signed
with the Raiders back in March, but it's a lingering
foot injury from last season that held up his contract,
and according to reports, Garoppolo decided to sign a waiver
in place of taking a physical with the Raiders to
finalize the deal. Now, this waiver indicates that if he
were to re injure that same foot, the team could
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cut him and be free of guarantees in his contract.
So my biggest question here is why would Jimmy.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
Sign something like this? He is an injury prone quarterback.
Speaker 5 (18:18):
Now, when he's healthy, he's a winner and he's great,
But the best ability is availability, and Jimmy has only
played one full season in twenty nineteen without an injury.
Every other season he's missed games due to an injury. Now,
remember this is only if he re injures that broken foot,
But that's an incredibly high risk for Jimmy G someone
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who's always injured. What are your expectations for Jimmy G
with the Raiders of season?
Speaker 3 (18:45):
That's tough, I mean, you know you got unhappy DeVante
Adams now because of this.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Ye, Josh McDaniels, I don't know. Can we call him
on the hot seat? Is he one of those coaches
that's kind of has to win?
Speaker 3 (18:53):
He still hasn't been there very long, but I mean
he this is another Bill Belichick disciple who we know the.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
History of them have not been great. Now your quarterback
is coming off another.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Injury and certain that I do wonder why didn't he
get the surgery with San Francisco when he was injured.
Do you think he thought, maybe I could come back,
I could fight back and maybe play in the super
Bowl if we get there.
Speaker 5 (19:16):
It's so interesting because he had it was such a
weird dynamic. You know, he was still there, but he
was also just kind of helping that next his like
next generation, and he handled it with grace, and he
handled it beautifully for.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
A veteran quarterback. So I don't know.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
It could have also been like advice from the doctors.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
I don't know, but I feel bad for Jimmy because
I had wanted him on the Jets.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
I don't mind taking an l here, that's fine. Like
obviously the Jets knew something about this.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
I didn't or maybe he didn't take a physical. He
signed a waiver in place of taking a physical.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
It wasn't going to pass.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
This Raiders team could be one of the worst in
the league if Garoppolo came, Like remember Stidham went to
the Broncos, he was the backup. I mean, if if
this doesn't go well for Jimmy g there's a chance
the Raiders are like a four or five win team,
maybe worse than the least.
Speaker 5 (20:08):
So like tank and try to get the first pick
in the draft year, which like you have one of
the hottest quarterbacks sit in the draft next year.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Sure Josh McDaniels would not hate that.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
Has a lot of different reasons.
Speaker 5 (20:17):
It's also kind of looking like, did they make the
right call by doing Derek Carr dirty the way they
did and releasing it. That's like maybe he should have
kept him for one more year. There's a lot of
a lot of question marks here.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Shocking Josh McDaniel's coming through the hurdles. Again, we didn't
see that in Denver. We didn't see that in the Colts,
where he was for what like five minutes before he was.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Like, oh no, I don't want to coach here. I
mean it just yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 (20:41):
But now Tom Brady is part of the ownership group,
so oh yeahh that's.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
A new thing. Oh so maybe maybe maybe that'll help something.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Can he play quarterback as an owner?
Speaker 4 (20:51):
All right, Let's move.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
On to the NBA, where Monty Williams has reportedly agreed
to a six year, seventy eight point five million dollar
contract to become the head coach of the Detroit Pistons.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
Now.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
Williams was fired earlier this month after four seasons with
the Suns, including a Finals appearance. Now, according to Woes,
this would be the largest coaching deal in NBA history,
which I think probably one of the main reasons why
you decide to go to a place. But also he
now gets a younger group of guys that he can
mold possibly into the team that he wants. He's dealt
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with a lot of superstars, and we've heard from a
lot of those superstars how much they respect Monty Williams
and what he means to the team.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
He is a.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
Player's coach, players love him and looking ahead, the Pistons
hold the fifth overall pick in this month's NBA draft,
so there's a lot of positives.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
It's gonna be a lot of hard work.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
So the other thing I saw Alex because the Sons
owed him something like twenty million dollars. Yeah, he could
have just not worked for a couple of years and
collected tons of money.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
I know, that's hard to.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
Set a person though, Like he's not that kind of person.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
He's got a family, you know, he's got young kids. Know,
you know what happened with the family was.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
Gonna do you want to be playing? You want to
be coaching?
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Twenty one million dollars to not work?
Speaker 3 (22:07):
So twenty million dollars, I mean, Alex, that's a ton
of money it is to not work.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Now his contracts six for seventy eight. That's massive.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Now, Yeah, there's gonna be some headaches in Detroit. I mean,
who's your best player? Kid cunning him?
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Jaden Ivy's good. Yeah, I traded a Wiseman.
Speaker 5 (22:23):
It's a lot of young guys and he could possibly
have control over the narrative this.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Yeah, the GM Troy Weaver pretty good coming from OKC.
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
I mean, that's a lot of money to turn down,
but yeah, not working for twenty million dollars, Alex, I know,
you guys could have a lot of fun for three
years if you're Monty Williams have.
Speaker 5 (22:39):
I love working, but yeah, I would like go crazy
if I wasn't working. I'm one of those people. I
like to be busy. I like to be doing things.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
But but nobody was offering you twenty million to not
be working.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
No, true, true, true, Okay, let's move on.
Speaker 5 (22:53):
Bob Myers is officially stepping down from his role as
the president and GM of the Warriors. While we don't
know what the next step for Myers will be, but
reports indicate that the Clippers should be a team to
watch after their GM left for the Wizards.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
Now you have a guy in.
Speaker 5 (23:08):
Bob Myers who is a huge piece of that Warriors dynasty.
The Clippers should be doing everything in their power to
be going after this guy. Because the Clippers, from what
we've thought year after year at the beginning of the season,
they have the pieces, they have the potential, and they
just haven't figured out how to make it work into
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the postseason. And Bob Myers has obviously experienced with star players.
He was a part of KD coming over to the Warriors,
so he knows how to make that happen how to
make room on a roster in the lineup. So it's
he can help bring a winning formula wherever he ends
up and wherever he goes.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
I don't want to give Colin credit again, but he
did say maybe Myers doesn't want to stay in Golden
State because cleaning up that. I don't want to call
it a mess because you know, they want to want
a bunch of championships. But it's very delicate with the
Clay situation. He wants to get paid, Draymond, what do
you do? The Jordan Poole situation, Like, it's not an
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easy fix in Golden State.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
No, And they're also kind of at the end part
of their dynasty, like there's still they still have their
core guys, but they're all growing up playing together. Yeah,
it's it's the back end of their dynasty, like there's
still potential. They just won recently, so it's like they
can't do it.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
That's a tough job.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
It's a tough job.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
I mean, listen, but Clippers, he would be heavily motivated.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Now, Listen, Clippers aren't easy, Alex, because you got to
decide what you want to do with Paul George and
Kawhi Leonard.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
Can't he fix that though?
Speaker 2 (24:38):
I don't know. I mean they all they do is underachieved.
Speaker 5 (24:42):
There's like potential, but maybe he could bring in that
missing piece figure out why they aren't.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
Able to reach that postseason.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Would you rather have done stay in Golden State? I
don't know if that was an option for Myers or
go to the Clippers now.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
I mean he could have done.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
You know, you created Itynasty and you were part of
a dynasty. Why not see what you can do next.
It's personal preference at this point.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Yeah, it's a tough one. I'm gonna punt on what
I would do because I.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
Don't think it's what you do.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
I don't think it's an easy choice. Like I know
the owner of the Clippers has more money than God,
but I don't know that I want to go to
that team. Like all I know people think Cursed is
like a joke every year. It's something with Alex and
you're always going to be second fiddle to the Lakers,
who are Lakers are close closer to a championship now
than the Clippers are.
Speaker 5 (25:31):
I know, but the Clippers are finally they're gonna They're
moving out of the building. They're moving out of Crypto.
They're building their own stadium over by so Far, so
they're gonna have their own space now, not be the
only team playing in Crypto without a banner on the wall.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Have you seen It's brutal.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
I went by so Far for a NERF gun battle recently.
They saw that so amazing. I highly recommend it.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
And you Englewood is like going off right now.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
Oh, it's insane.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
So much new real estate because the stadium is like
at the heart of it.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Yea.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
And I think it's basketball only, so there won't be
anything there but basketball games because Balmer can afford it.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
Yep, it's going to be great. Any of the forum
right there too?
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Indeed, yes, yes, yes, Alex with the news, Well.
Speaker 6 (26:09):
That's the news, and thanks for stopping by the herd.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Line News all right, coming up next, I think we
have a really good guest listen.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
I don't want to keep pushing the Jets narrative, but uh,
yes you do, we do.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
Yes, yes, you don't want to he yes.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
You'll probably do more Jets.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
But also coming up, remember how last time I hosted,
we did the five players under the most pressure in
the NBA Playoffs.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Number one was Yokich. You remember that, you guys, remember
Spot on Nail that he's in the finals.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
We're going to do the top ten teams under the
most pressure in the NFL. H let's just say that
you're going to be very upset with me what I
reveal that list later in the show, but coming up next,
Eric Mangini, you're on the Herd.
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Speaker 2 (27:26):
Back here on the Herd.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
When I first started at Fox, I would do the
shows and I would run into coaches here and I'd
be just in awe. As a Jets fan. I ran
into Eric Mangini and I was like, what do I say?
You know, it's kind of in awe. And now I'm
interviewing him and I know him pretty well, been talking
to him for five years.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Now, Let's bring in Eric Mangini.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Fox Sports NFL analyst spent three years with the Jets,
spent some time with the Browns. Obviously in New England. Eric,
how's everything going, man?
Speaker 8 (27:54):
I think things are great, but we're still out in Cleanland.
We don't quite have the beautiful weather you have.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Yes over the last five years.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
Yeah, obviously very nice out here. All right, Let's start
Eric with the DeAndre Hopkins news. He was released by
the Cardinals, who appear to be tanking, but we don't
really care about them. Hopkins made it sound like he
wants to go to a contender play with Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
It almost feels like there's two options.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
He can try to take as much money as he
can from a team that can pay him, or maybe
take a little less on a one year deal and
play for a winner like the Bills or the Chiefs.
If you're instructing Hopkins, what's your advice to d hop.
Speaker 8 (28:32):
Well, look, I like the idea of if you if
you feel like you're at a point in your career
where you've made enough money and you want to you
want to go chase the rings, and I think Kansas
City is a is a great place to do that.
I think it's a perfect place to do that. You know,
you can make the argument that the Buffalo would be
in a good place to do that as well, although
they haven't had the consistent success that Kansas City has had,
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but maybe he can put him, put him over the edge,
and you go. You could sign a one year d
and then get the money after you get the ring,
and a lot of guys will will offer that a
little bit later in their career. It's somewhat of what
his mindset is. Does he want to deal with the
idea of a one year contract that can be uncomfortable
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for guys because of injuries. And he said it pretty
clearly what he's looking for in terms of great defense,
an established organization, and a quarterback that loves football. That
was his quote.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
So yeah, I would A lot of the people who
are analyzing this situation for Hopkins, are trying to make
the claim that he's kind of fallen off a cliff
before we get to the team that you think he
fits best on. How much do we read into Well,
you know what, the Cardinals stunk last year. Everybody pretty
much checked out. Kyler Murray was hurt Hopkins. It sounds
like he could have played late in the season but
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just didn't want to because they were terrible. You've seen
leaders like Buddha Baker get me the hell out of here.
I just wonder, Eric, how much can you read into
last year's DeAndre Hopkins or do you put that aside
and say, this guy's got a proven track record, we
want to bring him in.
Speaker 8 (30:07):
Well, well, let me just share and you probably watch
this game. When Randy Moss went to the Patriots from
from the Raiders, he hadn't had a I think he
barely played the year before, had very little production. If
he did play, he got traded for pretty insignificant amount,
didn't play during the preseason, and then we play him.
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I think it was our home opener and he hung
on a one on us. So So here's what I'll
what I'll say is when you underestimate a great player
who's coming from a bad situation, you can get into
a lot of trouble and and look, we underestimated him
for maybe the first quarter, and then he just did
what he did to a lot of teams and took
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over the game. And I think that's that's always the
dangers when a guy's in a bad situation from a
from a team perspective and in a bad mindset. Because
of that, you're you're getting a much different product than
if a guy goes someplace where he's energized, where he's motivated.
Everything then looks dramatically different.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
All right, Eric Mangini, you gave me a team during
the commercial break where Hopkins you think he could go
and be great. I was surprised by this, But go
ahead and tell everybody what you make your case for
this team.
Speaker 8 (31:21):
Well, look, I've got a couple of spots where I
think he can be great. I think that the Jets
would be a really good fit. And I think the
Jets would be a good fit in the sense that
they've got cap room right now, they've got the fifth
most cap room, and they're going to be in a
bad salary cap situation in the next few years. But
if you're going all in, go all in, go all in.
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You went, and you went got Rogers, go and get Hopkins,
and now the passing game dramatically changes. So I like
that idea from the Jets perspective, and my other former team,
the Browns, I think that's a really good fit too,
in the sense that they've gone all in the year
before with Shaun Watson, and that's got to work. It
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has got to work. And here's a guy that he's
he likes, he's got a comfort level with, and they've
got a great running game. They're going to be better
on defense. I think that Deshaun Watson is going to
potentially be a different player because he's over all of
the not all of the issues, but the transition back
to playing. He's played six games, he knows the system
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that could be. That could be a really good situation
for the Browns, in a really good situation for Hopkins.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Let's pivot to the Rogers.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Guda kunst Beef in Green Bay. Listen, you were a
head coach, Eric, obviously, when you guys have a franchise
quarterback and the GM wants to bring one.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
In, you know, you talk me through that in the
war room, Hey, guys, do.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
We need to put in a call to Aaron Rodgers
and let him know we're trading up for a quarterback.
I mean, I know he's in his mid thirties Rogers
at the time of his draft, and he didn't have
a great year, but they went thirteen and three, they
lost in the NFC title game, and Gudah Kunst calls
it all trades up for a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Did Rogers deserve a call?
Speaker 8 (33:05):
Yeah? Look, I would imagine you'd want to give Aaron
Rodgers a call. If you're going to make a decision
like that, that's going to be such a high profile
decision that you're expending a first round draft pick on.
You move up to make the pick, and it really
is going to be his successor. And I understand it
from an organizational perspective. Quarterbacks get hurt all the time,
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so to have a really good quarterback backing up your
starter is a great situation to be in. And we
see it every year where a team gets deep in
either the end of the season or at the start
of the playoff run, they lose their starter and they
fall off a cliff. So I get that from an
organizational standpoint, But I also think that you want to
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communicate with your superstar, and Green Bay has been in
such a unique situation where they've been so spoiled, going
from Brett Fahr to Aaron Rodgers, that sometimes you don't
appreciate how good you have it. You don't know what
it's like to live without a Hall of Fame quarterback.
Now they're gonna learn very quickly what life is like
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without a Hall of Fame quarterback, and it's uncomfortable. So yeah,
I would say you'd probably want to call any star
if you're going to draft a guy in their position
that can potentially take their spot.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
Yeah, whether it's work, friends, marriage, you've all communication is
the key, and it clearly they had none in Green Bay.
Let me ask about brock Purty and San Francisco. Eric,
This is crazy, but for some reason Lynch keeps talking
to the media about brow brock Purdy is the leader
in the clubhouse.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
He just had surgery. It's May and June. What do
they do? Something seems to be going on in San Francisco.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
I don't know if they keep sending out maybe they're
trying to tell everybody, Hey, hey, everybody.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Trey Lances for sale. Do you want him? Brock Perty's
our guy.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
You see Sam Darnold at Warriors games, hanging out with
McCaffrey and Kittle and those guys. Something seems to be
a miss in San Francisco, and the whiffing on Trey
Lance almost points to me to hmmm. I wonder if
Lynch is trying to distance himself from the Lance pick
and say, hey, that was Shanan, I wasn't me. I
don't know what's happening, but something seems to be going
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on in San fran I don't.
Speaker 8 (35:15):
Think it's a distancing thing. There's the famous saying from
May West. If you've got to tell people you're a lady,
then you're not. And whenever you're overly affusive with praise,
you worry about what is the motivation. I think that
when Sam Darnold signed as early as he did in
the free agency period, a lot of people took a
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step back because that usually doesn't happen, especially if you're
signing to be potentially the third quarterback. And I would
imagine that for him to sign that early, there had
to be an element of conversation of you've got a
chance to start here. You've got a chance to play here.
You've got a chance to be the guy there, which
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I imagine is really attracted to Sam Darnold. They've done
it such a great job with quarterbacks, and really Sam
did some good things last year, and for him to
be inserted into this offense, into this organization with with
the running game, the defense, all all of the elements
that really help a quarterback be successful. Who knows what
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Donald could be. Now, now that being said, you've got
brock party. He did an amazing job, an incredible job,
and you don't want to take away from what he did,
and you don't want to look disingenuous, and you don't
want to look like you're you're undercutting him. So so
what you do is you you constantly praise him and
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you make sure that that people are clear with the intention,
although the signing of Sam Donald really brings that that
intention under a lot more scrutiny.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
Yeah, I know, you have to work together with the
GM and the head coach. Everybody's got to be in
lockstep on the same page. But as you've told me,
the story about with Farv in New York, like it's
all it's tough, like Initially you could be like, hey,
let's all together, let's do this, let's get this guy,
let's move this guy. But then if things don't work out,
it's does the finger point he begin in the blame
game to try.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
To save jobs.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
Like again, I'm not saying anybody's in trouble yet in
San fran but this lance thing, I mean they trade
it up, and I mean the guy might end up
with like two or three starts in San Francisco before
he's moved or I don't know what you I don't
know what you do with them.
Speaker 8 (37:23):
Yeah, it's it's it's a rough situation when you when
you miss on a high draft pick, and and not
only do you miss on a high draft pick, but
you mortgage so many future draft picks to bring that
guy in. It's it's hard to get your head around
that from an ownership perspective. And these are guys that
have a lot of experience with with quarterback play, with
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evaluating quarterbacks, and then you go get someone who's mister
irrelevant and he plays the way he does. That doesn't
necessarily reinforce your your your draft you know stock. It
doesn't say you're a great drafter. It worked out really well.
But if you thought that highly of him, you would
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have picked him much more highly than you did. So, yeah,
that's that. They've had a ton of success. They've done
so many good things there, but this this is an
ongoing issue, and the Trey Lance component of it is
it's hard. It's hard for them to work through.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Yeah, looking forward to that.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
Eric Mangini, Fox Sports NFL Analyst, Great stuff is always
continued success and have fun in Cleveland, Eric.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
This summer awesome.
Speaker 8 (38:35):
We'll talk to you sir.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
All right, Eric Mangini, very good guy. It's interesting Alex.
You know he sees the Browns kind of in the
mix for Hopkins. I think Hopkins could be a game changer.
But I'm gonna go back to something I said at
the open, like, when you have a quarterback on a
rookie deal, you should be spending bring in the wide receiver,
elevate your young quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (38:56):
I have a veteran wide receiver.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Yeah, this guy knows what he's doing.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
I don't know if he's a locker room leader demanding
a trade. Some of these, like some of these quotes
you're seeing like going.
Speaker 5 (39:04):
On podcasts, kind of a dumpster fire. Situation where he
was at. Okay, it wasn't just him. You saw it
with his quarterback. You saw the quarterback wasn't getting along
with the franchise and the organization and the coach and
everything like that. So he wants to be somewhere where
he can succeed. I would you say he's kind of
towards the middle end of.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
His yeah career, maybe he's on the back nine for sure.
Speaker 5 (39:25):
Yeah, you know, you want to be somewhere where you
have an opportunity to win. And he probably thought that
in the beginning.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
Yeah, the motivated part that Mangini spoke of with Randy Moss.
I don't think Hopkins is quite there, but he's certainly
not far. Like Hopkins has been a top five receiver
in this league for a while.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
Yeah. I was gonna make the case, Alex.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
The two teams that jump out at me and this
may not be appealing, but the Atlanta Falcons they have
Desmond Ritter starting his second year.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
I already see you're not interested. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (39:52):
I tried to sell it to thee to go somewhere
where you can win.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
Now. I tried to sell it to the staff this morning.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
They were like, I'm just I'm just pointing out Falcons. Yeah,
division is winnable quarterback on the rookie deal, Desmond Rider.
You've also got b Jon Robinson, you just drafted, Yeah,
Drake London and Kyle Pitts. That's like a young nucleus.
Hopkins would instantly be the veteran there you've got. You know,
I think you've got the makings of an offense. You
could steal the division if the Saints kind of fumble.
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I don't I'm not a believer in Carolina. Tampa's going
to be very bad.
Speaker 4 (40:22):
Like there's a chance Saints will fumble.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
I mean there's I mean, Carl I like the Saints
a lot. I believe they'll win the division, but things happen, injuries.
Derek Carr it's like fifteen games under five hundred his career,
So I don't know.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
I thought the Falcons made sense.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
The other team I was looking at with the Bears,
who I think could make a big leap.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
They've spent a lot this off season.
Speaker 4 (40:41):
Who can afford him?
Speaker 2 (40:42):
Well, that's the other thing.
Speaker 4 (40:44):
That's the biggest thing. It's like who has the.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
Ability to take and if Hopkins is not going to
get a lot of money.
Speaker 3 (40:50):
Does he want to go to Desmond Ridder or Justin
Fields versus like Aaron Rodgers, Deshaun Watson, Patrick Mahomes Like,
at this stage, you wants to win. You want to
win a super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (40:59):
That's the point. That's why he wants out.
Speaker 5 (41:01):
Where he was had potential to be great, Yeah, ended
up going the complete opposite direction.
Speaker 4 (41:06):
And now he's like, I want out, I want to win.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
All right, first hour in the books, no executives on set,
So I guess we're doing alright, Alex.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
In the second hour.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
Top ten teams in the NFL with the most pressure
heading into this season. If you are a AFC fan,
you're going to want to stick around. Obviously we'll do
NBA Final stuff. Some wagers, folks. Some of the numbers
look very good for the Denver Nuggets
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Welcome to the Herd.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
It's me Jason McIntyre in for vacationing Colin Cowherd. I
believe he is on maybe a I don't even know
what the word is for it, but he's somewhere in
Iceland enjoying a nice respite. I'm joined today by Alex Curry. Alex,
how you doing?
Speaker 4 (00:44):
I'm doing great. How was Paris?
Speaker 5 (00:45):
You were also vacation jmag Yes, one of my favorite places.
I got to spend like six weeks there for the
World Cup in twenty.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
Nineteen, so tell me goodness favorite part.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
I got less than a week there, but it was incredible.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Arc de Triomph was amazing, Eiffel Tower was decent, the flump,
the people, the vibes.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
The energy culture.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
I mean, Paris probably now on my favorite cities, would
have to be after New York in the world that
I've been to.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
As just traveling.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Are you a traveler? You know? I actually have in
the open that I'm gonna say. It's tough to travel
when you're doing the sports stuff. You can't travel during
football season. It's kind of relegated to summer when all
the tourists are out.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
It's difficult.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
But we got one in during the NBA playoffs, and yeah,
it was a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
It's good to be back.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Obviously, the calendar says June first, and Alex, I don't
know if you know.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
June first a big day for me.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Seven years ago today we moved the family from Pennsylvania
out west. So this is my seven year anniversary at Fox.
Very exciting, and we moved to my hometown I did. Yeah,
We're enjoying the South Bay greatly. While I was on vacation. Obviously,
you know, some NBA happenings occurred, and we'll get to
the NBA Finals. Obviously, Nuggets versus the Heat. I thought
(01:59):
it was gonna Celtics. We'll get to that shortly. Couple
couple of good wagers in play for the series. But
I do want to start with a big kind of
bombshell that dropped in the NFL. You know, sometimes when
you get new information, you've got to change the way
you look at a story.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
And for the longest time, Aaron Rodgers had kind of.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Been wacky guy, you know, issues with his family, jetting
around between celebrities and just kind of one of these
guys that you couldn't really get a handle on. And
now you've got a big story that dropped. The Athletic
had it that Aaron Rodgers back in twenty twenty one
tried to fire his GM Brian Gutkuanz, who had been
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with the organization for twenty years. Now, obviously, you know
when you get somebodyh's been with the organization that long.
I believe he had been GM since twenty eighteen, you
need some context. So why would Rogers want this guy out?
Why would he do that? Why would he push a
power play? And I think the answer is simple, And
you've got to, you know, look around in the league,
and you got to look in your.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Own life and say, wow, you know, maybe I agree
with him.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
So the context is in twenty twenty, Aaron Rodgers coming
off a good year. They went thirteen and three in
twenty nineteen, and the Packers decide low and behold, we're
gonna not help out the defense, which just got shredded
by the forty nine Ers in the NFC title game.
They lost thirty seven to twenty. The Niners memorably had
like eight pass attempts in the entire game. And the Packers,
you know, they could draft defense to bolsh the roster,
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and Aaron Rodgers get scored from his agent. They traded
up for a quarterback and Rogers kind of went into
a tailspin. And I don't think you can blame him.
Ladies and gentlemen, just think about this briefly. You have
your job wherever you do. Maybe you're banging out TPS
reports in the office or wherever you work, and all
of a sudden, one day your boss comes to you
and says, hey, we just hired this new guy. I
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want you to introduce so I want you to kind
of mentor him, and I want you to tutor him.
And you look up this new gentleman who was hired
and you're like, Wow, this guy's kind of on the
same track that I am.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
He's kind of in my role. Did they just hire
my replacement?
Speaker 3 (03:55):
And you know, Aaron Rodgers looks in the mirror says,
wait a second, I'm in my mid thirties. You guys
just drafted a quarterback who was mediocre at best in college.
And let's be real, Jordan Love I think his highlight
was leading the country in interceptions his final year in college.
And Aaron Rodgers was ticked off. And this can go
one or two ways when this kind of thing happens.
You know, you could do door number one. Hey, I'm
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gonna be motivated and I'm gonna kick button. I'm gonna
show them. Or you could go number two and say, hey,
this is unacceptable. I've been with the company for a decade. Okay,
I'm your guy. Blood, sweat and tears poured into this organization.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
I'm out.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
And you could reach out around the league or in
your job. You could reach out in your landscape of
work and say, hey, I need a new job.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
I'm getting out of here.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
And it's funny, but we have seen this before, ladies
and gentlemen, high profile quarterback mid thirties had a good
but not great year and they went and drafted his replacement.
Let me introduce you to Tom Brady and the New England Patriots,
who could forget twenty fourteen, the Patriots go and draft
Jimmy Garoppolo, little known quarterback.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
It was not a trade up in the first round.
I believe he once se round.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
And the context here is I was at that NFL
combine right before Garoppolo was drafted, and there was some buzz. Yeah,
Garoppolo could be interesting, but Patriots with Brady locked in,
and you know what Tom Brady did, of course memorably
took it as motivation, said you're gonna draft my replacement.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Tom Brady went on to win the Super Bowl the
next year.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Remember the awesome Super Bowl he had against Seattle where
he drove the length of the field twice in the
fourth quarter against the best defense in the league, the
Legion of Boom, and the Patriots win.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Brady Super Bowl MVP.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
He showed them, He showed Belichick, hey, you're gonna draft
my replacement, And of course Brady went on to.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Win another Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Patriots capitulated and said, okay, fine, fine, we messed up.
We'll ship Garoppolo out of town. That was not good
enough for Brady. Everybody knows. He ended up leaving to
go to Tampa, where he won another Super Bowl and
then he really showed Bill Belichick how he missed. Hey,
makes just a catastrophic mistake drafting Garoppolo. And now you
look at Aaron Rodgers and folks, let's be real. Aaron
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Rodgers used it as motivation. The year after Jordan Love
was drafted. What did Rogers do? He throw forty eight
touchdown passes, nearly doubled his output from the year prior motivation,
You're drafted my replacement, bleep off Brian gudakunzk, I'm gonna
go win an MVP. And then the year after he
won another one. But the problem here is he tried
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to get Gudacunt fired, according to the story, and the
Packers refuse to do it. Now that's where it gets icy.
The Patriot said, we will trade Garoppolo. The Packers they
refused to trade Jordan Love. Aaron Rodgers unhappy. Aaron Rodgers
forced his way out. Can you blame him? Just think
about it for a moment. Can you really blame Aaron
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Rodgers for demanding the fire the GM it doesn't happen.
And then Aaron Rodgers Bailey, I think this story coming out, now,
what a couple weeks. Three weeks after the Jets land,
Aaron Rodgers in what everybody thinks is like a massive win.
Jets finally have a franchise call back, and everybody's questioned, well,
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Aaron Rodgers as a wacky guy. He went on to
Darkness Retreat. Okay, he's going to Taylor Swift Concerts in
New York now with the guy from Top Gun, Maverick
Miles Teller his actor buddy.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
This is a This is a new Aaron Rodgers as.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
A Jets fan, and everybody knows I'm born in New York,
massive Jets fan. I think you've got to look at this, like,
wait a minute, Maybe Rogers isn't that wacky dude who
goes from dating celebrities to having issues with his family
and his brother. Maybe this is like a genuine I'm
ticked off at a franchise I poured my life into
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for a decade, I would stand.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Out in the community. I was a leader on the field.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
I was a leader not always but occasionally off the field,
And you're gonna kick me to the curb in my
mid thirties for my replacement, Like, how do you expect
him to respond? I think it's a normal reaction that
Tom Brady had in New England and that now Aaron
Rodgers had in Green Bay. And the Packers, well, they're
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up the creek without a paddle. They now have to
hope that Jordan Love is their guy replacing Rogers. In folks,
this is going to reflect poorly on the GM if
Jordan Love is not able to deliver. Meanwhile, Aaron Rodgers,
you gotta be excited if you're a Jets fan. Now,
I know the deal is kind of front loaded, and
if he doesn't play enough games or snaps or whatever
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it is, then yeah, maybe he steps away and the
Packers don't get a number one pick. But if you're
a Jets fan, I think you've got to be excited
that perhaps this is a motivated Rogers. Maybe he's going
to be as motivated as Brady was to go to
Tampa and win a Super Bowl. And you know, last
week Colin alluded to Rogers looking younger and more into
almost a different guy. He's a different dude in New
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York because he's away from that toxic environment where he
wanted the GM fired. The GM would not fire him,
or the President would not fire the GM and Rogers
is kind of like stuck in no man's I'm delivering.
I got you guys two MVP awards. I put us
in position to win the super Bowl. I know he
didn't deliver that. He didn't actually win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
And you can go.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Back to that tough inside the ten play where he
could have maybe run in the NFC Championship game against
the Bucks, he could have maybe run for the touchdown,
did not quite get there.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
They opt to kick the field goal. You know, that's history.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
But if you're a Jets fan, this is a great day,
feeling that, Wow, we could have Aaron Rodgers, not one year,
but maybe two years.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
We don't have to worry about that Zach Wilson nonsense.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
But I will say this whole idea of trying to
move on from a superstar. I did some reading on
vacation and I came across this Russian proverb where you
try to wash the bear without making him angry. And
you know that, of course is impossible to wash him.
Get a bear's for wet and he's not gonna get angry.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
That's impossible.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
It is extremely difficult to do that. We've got a
franchise quarterback. He's getting up there in age, and we
do want to move on. How do you delicately do it?
You know, we saw this with a Golden State Warrior,
ladies and gentlemen, James Wiseman, Jordan Poole, Jonathan Kaminga.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
How tough was that season?
Speaker 3 (10:06):
It just happens. Steve Current, Draymond Green, Yeah, the punch
kind of ruined it. Jordan Pool, we gave him the
big contract. Now Klay Thompson's all worried is he gonna
get paid? Draymond's upset that maybe Jordan Pool's the new Clay.
Jordan Pool's running his mouth. It is extremely challenging for
these organizations to have a franchise guy and pivot to
the next generation without falling off a cliff. I'll go
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back to Dan Marino memorably in Miami. They had their guy,
they get to a Super Bowl, never got back there again.
Had Dan Marino for fifteen years, You got your franchise quarterback,
you lose him, and now you're in the wilderness. The
Miami Dolphins haven't done jack squat since losing Marino. And
I don't want to be too negative here on the Packers,
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but actions speak louder than words and their actions towards
the Jordan Love contract not great.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
They did not do the fifth year option.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
They give him an incentive laden one year extension, and
it almost reads as if they're not sure Jordan loves
the guy. And now will Green Bay be in the
wilderness looking to replace Farv and then Rogers and then forever.
It's going to be extremely difficult, so very challenging for
the Packers, very optimistic for my jets. Right, we got
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a big, big, big show today, A couple of great guests.
We're gonna get to DeAndre Hopkins landing spots with Albert Breer,
Eric Mangini, got Rick Buker, my guy stopping by. We
will talk about those Warriors, a couple of head coaching
moves in the NBA. Alex should be a good one.
NBA Finals Game one tonight. We will give away our
picks yet, Right, it's too early in the show, But I.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
Mean June first, your anniversary of moving to the West Coast.
NBA Finals starting today. It's a big it's a big
celebration day.
Speaker 6 (11:47):
You got a monster show today, Yes, yes, all right,
be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
and noone Easter, not a em Pacific on Fox Sports
Radio FS one and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
You are now entering the No Bull Zone sponsored by
Credible Great Rates with none of the bull. So while
I was in France, obviously we did not turn on
the TV in the hotel room. We're out of the
hotel room. Basically the whole time missed. The Celtics come
back from down three to one to force Game seven
against the Heat missed at all. I was not on
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Twitter at all, because I, you know, don't like being
on Twitter when I'm on vacation. I was on Instagram,
which is fun. But this Miami Heat team, like they
nearly collapsed against Boston. Somehow we're able to pull that
out and gave seven Jason Tatum hurt his ankle, and
the Heat advance of the finals, and it sets up
a finals that a lot of the NBA purists are
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into Denver Nuggets, who everybody loves, and the Miami Heat
just a great underdog story. But of course you've got
you know, the social media types who are like, oh,
nobody's gonna watch this. The ratings are gonna be awful,
Like nobody cares about the ratings guys, unless you're a
TV executive. That's just how it is. It's actually a
great finals because it really pushes back against I like
to call the calculator crowd. Okay, we've seen this for
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a while. Analytics have overtaken sports massively, and it's kind
of pushed a lot of fans out. We know, baseball
was kind of first to usher in the moneyball era
with the A's and then the Red Sox and then
everybody's doing moneyball. NFL has kind of gone that route
more in recent years, where running backs just don't really
matter anymore.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
They're devalued.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
You do not give them the second contract, point out
Zeke Christian McCaffrey ends up getting traded.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Linebackers.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Remember when middle linebackers roamed and they were dominant. You
needed a middle linebacker, tough guy in the middle of
Now it's like who pays linebackers? Like is there a
ton of value in them? Smart teams they don't pay linebackers.
And then of course there's the you need a quarterback
on the rookie deal so you can make a deep
run and load up at every other position like there are.
Analytics really are into football more than they ever have been.
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And so you got basketball and they really have been
pushed by analytics a lot.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
I think in a good way. I'm a three point guy.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
You know, my men's league, I'm a three point sniper
or I like to think of myself as it. But
now in the NBA, it's basically threes or dunks, that's it.
And the Miami Heat have totally flipped that narrative completely
with this run to the finals, because they.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Were the twenty seventh ranked team in.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Threes during the regular season, twenty seven at staggering.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
You know what they are in the NBA postseason.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
First, how on earth could a team that was so
bad from deep for an eighty two game sample all
of a sudden flipped the script and a seventeen to
eighteen game sample size, and now they're the best.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Three point shooting team.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
And then you combine that with you know, in the NBA,
a lot of people the NBA draft is coming up.
I did a mock draft recently for Fox Sports, and
a lot of it is measurements. What's your length, like,
what's your wingspan? They care so much about that three
and d Can you defend multiple positions? Look at the
Miami Heat. How they're built? Fifty two percent of their
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points against the Celtics in that seven game series came
from undrafted players Duncan Robinson, Caleb Martin who was nearly
the MVP of the Eastern Conference Finals, Caleb Martin, Okay,
Max Strus, Gabe Vincent.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
How are they doing this?
Speaker 3 (15:10):
They have broken a lot of the models that the
NBA look at, and now you're shaped up with a
Wait a second, is this just an outlier a one off?
Miami got lucky? Did they get lucky to beat the Bucks?
And they were big dogs against the Bucks? I know
Jannis got hurt. Against the Knicks, they were slight underdogs.
I picked the Knicks in that series. Then against Boston
they were big underdogs. It's like, how are they able
to continually pull this off with undrafted players and garbage
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stats from the regular season? And I say garbage because
they are the only playoff team this year with a
negative point differential. This season, they're the first NBA team,
I believe in sixty years to make the finals with
a negative point differential. Folks, none of this adds up.
The analytics skies are like the shrug emoji.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
What do we do? How is this happening? It doesn't
make any sense now. Of course for Denver it makes
a ton of sense.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
They've got the best player in the league in Jokic,
But also a bit of a change in the narrative.
It's been a wing league. Centers have been kind of
shoved out right. Remember the Patrick ewing E, Lajahwan, David Robinson.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
That was the air I grew up in. Centers were everything.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
You have to have a center, A big, lumbering dude
back to the basket. Those don't really exist anymore. Entered
Nikole y Okich, a second round pick who is now
greatest player in the league.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
I'm sorry, no disrespect to Joel Embiid. He should not
have been the MVP. We discussed this at length, but
Jokich is.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Now the first really big man that's been the center
of a team since wait for folks, shack.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
I know some people will say Tim Duncan, but.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
If you want to say Tim Duncan, I'll buy it.
But by the way, when he when they won in
twenty fourteen, Kawhi was the MVP.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Duncan was a little old.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
So centers are they back now in vogue? With Nikola Jokic,
and there's just so many great angles to this series.
I'm supremely fascinated by it. I'll be watching tonight my
official pick. I took Nuggets in seven just because heart
of a champion with the heat, even though they haven't
been a champion with Jimmy Butler yet.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
This Eric Spolster stuff, and I gotta give Colin credit.
He was early on this. Spolstro one of the best
coaches in the league, folks.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
This is staggering. Spolster's going to his six finals. You
know how many Steve Kurr's been to six. You know
how many Popovich has been to six. Spolster's in that
class right now. Okay, anytime Lebron leaves a franchise, they
fall off a cliff.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
They don't do any anything for a while. They're done.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Okay, Lebron left Miami, Spolstrow was able to recalibrate pretty
quickly and they're back in the finals for the second time.
That's pretty damn impressive. I think Spolstro.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
If you're doing a mount.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Rushmore for coaches in the league right now, Spolstra has
to be on there.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Let's go to Alex Curry with the news. No, no
turn on the news. This is the herd Line news.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
Let's get started in the NFL, because Jimmy Garoppolo signed
with the Raiders back in March, but it's a lingering
foot injury from last season that held up his contract,
and according to reports, Garoppolo decided to sign a waiver
in place of taking a physical with the Raiders to
finalize the deal. Now, this waiver indicates that if he
were to re injure that same foot, the team could
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cut him and be free of guarantees in his contract.
So my biggest question here is why would Jimmy.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
Sign something like this? He is an injury prone quarterback.
Speaker 5 (18:18):
Now, when he's healthy, he's a winner and he's great,
But the best ability is availability, and Jimmy has only
played one full season in twenty nineteen without an injury.
Every other season he's missed games due to an injury. Now,
remember this is only if he re injures that broken foot,
But that's an incredibly high risk for Jimmy G someone
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who's always injured. What are your expectations for Jimmy G
with the Raiders of season?
Speaker 3 (18:45):
That's tough, I mean, you know you got unhappy DeVante
Adams now because of this.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Ye, Josh McDaniels, I don't know. Can we call him
on the hot seat? Is he one of those coaches
that's kind of has to win?
Speaker 3 (18:53):
He still hasn't been there very long, but I mean
he this is another Bill Belichick disciple who we know the.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
History of them have not been great. Now your quarterback
is coming off another.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Injury and certain that I do wonder why didn't he
get the surgery with San Francisco when he was injured.
Do you think he thought, maybe I could come back,
I could fight back and maybe play in the super
Bowl if we get there.
Speaker 5 (19:16):
It's so interesting because he had it was such a
weird dynamic. You know, he was still there, but he
was also just kind of helping that next his like
next generation, and he handled it with grace, and he
handled it beautifully for.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
A veteran quarterback. So I don't know.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
It could have also been like advice from the doctors.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
I don't know, but I feel bad for Jimmy because
I had wanted him on the Jets.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
I don't mind taking an l here, that's fine. Like
obviously the Jets knew something about this.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
I didn't or maybe he didn't take a physical. He
signed a waiver in place of taking a physical.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
It wasn't going to pass.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
This Raiders team could be one of the worst in
the league if Garoppolo came, Like remember Stidham went to
the Broncos, he was the backup. I mean, if if
this doesn't go well for Jimmy g there's a chance
the Raiders are like a four or five win team,
maybe worse than the least.
Speaker 5 (20:08):
So like tank and try to get the first pick
in the draft year, which like you have one of
the hottest quarterbacks sit in the draft next year.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Sure Josh McDaniels would not hate that.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
Has a lot of different reasons.
Speaker 5 (20:17):
It's also kind of looking like, did they make the
right call by doing Derek Carr dirty the way they
did and releasing it. That's like maybe he should have
kept him for one more year. There's a lot of
a lot of question marks here.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Shocking Josh McDaniel's coming through the hurdles. Again, we didn't
see that in Denver. We didn't see that in the Colts,
where he was for what like five minutes before he was.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Like, oh no, I don't want to coach here. I
mean it just yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 (20:41):
But now Tom Brady is part of the ownership group,
so oh yeahh that's.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
A new thing. Oh so maybe maybe maybe that'll help something.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Can he play quarterback as an owner?
Speaker 4 (20:51):
All right, Let's move.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
On to the NBA, where Monty Williams has reportedly agreed
to a six year, seventy eight point five million dollar
contract to become the head coach of the Detroit Pistons.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
Now.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
Williams was fired earlier this month after four seasons with
the Suns, including a Finals appearance. Now, according to Woes,
this would be the largest coaching deal in NBA history,
which I think probably one of the main reasons why
you decide to go to a place. But also he
now gets a younger group of guys that he can
mold possibly into the team that he wants. He's dealt
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with a lot of superstars, and we've heard from a
lot of those superstars how much they respect Monty Williams
and what he means to the team.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
He is a.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
Player's coach, players love him and looking ahead, the Pistons
hold the fifth overall pick in this month's NBA draft,
so there's a lot of positives.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
It's gonna be a lot of hard work.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
So the other thing I saw Alex because the Sons
owed him something like twenty million dollars. Yeah, he could
have just not worked for a couple of years and
collected tons of money.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
I know, that's hard to.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
Set a person though, Like he's not that kind of person.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
He's got a family, you know, he's got young kids. Know,
you know what happened with the family was.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
Gonna do you want to be playing? You want to
be coaching?
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Twenty one million dollars to not work?
Speaker 3 (22:07):
So twenty million dollars, I mean, Alex, that's a ton
of money it is to not work.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Now his contracts six for seventy eight. That's massive.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Now, Yeah, there's gonna be some headaches in Detroit. I mean,
who's your best player? Kid cunning him?
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Jaden Ivy's good. Yeah, I traded a Wiseman.
Speaker 5 (22:23):
It's a lot of young guys and he could possibly
have control over the narrative this.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Yeah, the GM Troy Weaver pretty good coming from OKC.
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
I mean, that's a lot of money to turn down,
but yeah, not working for twenty million dollars, Alex, I know,
you guys could have a lot of fun for three
years if you're Monty Williams have.
Speaker 5 (22:39):
I love working, but yeah, I would like go crazy
if I wasn't working. I'm one of those people. I
like to be busy. I like to be doing things.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
But but nobody was offering you twenty million to not
be working.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
No, true, true, true, Okay, let's move on.
Speaker 5 (22:53):
Bob Myers is officially stepping down from his role as
the president and GM of the Warriors. While we don't
know what the next step for Myers will be, but
reports indicate that the Clippers should be a team to
watch after their GM left for the Wizards.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
Now you have a guy in.
Speaker 5 (23:08):
Bob Myers who is a huge piece of that Warriors dynasty.
The Clippers should be doing everything in their power to
be going after this guy. Because the Clippers, from what
we've thought year after year at the beginning of the season,
they have the pieces, they have the potential, and they
just haven't figured out how to make it work into
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the postseason. And Bob Myers has obviously experienced with star players.
He was a part of KD coming over to the Warriors,
so he knows how to make that happen how to
make room on a roster in the lineup. So it's
he can help bring a winning formula wherever he ends
up and wherever he goes.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
I don't want to give Colin credit again, but he
did say maybe Myers doesn't want to stay in Golden
State because cleaning up that. I don't want to call
it a mess because you know, they want to want
a bunch of championships. But it's very delicate with the
Clay situation. He wants to get paid, Draymond, what do
you do? The Jordan Poole situation, Like, it's not an
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easy fix in Golden State.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
No, And they're also kind of at the end part
of their dynasty, like there's still they still have their
core guys, but they're all growing up playing together. Yeah,
it's it's the back end of their dynasty, like there's
still potential. They just won recently, so it's like they
can't do it.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
That's a tough job.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
It's a tough job.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
I mean, listen, but Clippers, he would be heavily motivated.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Now, Listen, Clippers aren't easy, Alex, because you got to
decide what you want to do with Paul George and
Kawhi Leonard.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
Can't he fix that though?
Speaker 2 (24:38):
I don't know. I mean they all they do is underachieved.
Speaker 5 (24:42):
There's like potential, but maybe he could bring in that
missing piece figure out why they aren't.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
Able to reach that postseason.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Would you rather have done stay in Golden State? I
don't know if that was an option for Myers or
go to the Clippers now.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
I mean he could have done.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
You know, you created Itynasty and you were part of
a dynasty. Why not see what you can do next.
It's personal preference at this point.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Yeah, it's a tough one. I'm gonna punt on what
I would do because I.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
Don't think it's what you do.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
I don't think it's an easy choice. Like I know
the owner of the Clippers has more money than God,
but I don't know that I want to go to
that team. Like all I know people think Cursed is
like a joke every year. It's something with Alex and
you're always going to be second fiddle to the Lakers,
who are Lakers are close closer to a championship now
than the Clippers are.
Speaker 5 (25:31):
I know, but the Clippers are finally they're gonna They're
moving out of the building. They're moving out of Crypto.
They're building their own stadium over by so Far, so
they're gonna have their own space now, not be the
only team playing in Crypto without a banner on the wall.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Have you seen It's brutal.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
I went by so Far for a NERF gun battle recently.
They saw that so amazing. I highly recommend it.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
And you Englewood is like going off right now.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
Oh, it's insane.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
So much new real estate because the stadium is like
at the heart of it.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Yea.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
And I think it's basketball only, so there won't be
anything there but basketball games because Balmer can afford it.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
Yep, it's going to be great. Any of the forum
right there too?
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Indeed, yes, yes, yes, Alex with the news, Well.
Speaker 6 (26:09):
That's the news, and thanks for stopping by the herd.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Line News all right, coming up next, I think we
have a really good guest listen.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
I don't want to keep pushing the Jets narrative, but uh,
yes you do, we do.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
Yes, yes, you don't want to he yes.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
You'll probably do more Jets.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
But also coming up, remember how last time I hosted,
we did the five players under the most pressure in
the NBA Playoffs.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Number one was Yokich. You remember that, you guys, remember
Spot on Nail that he's in the finals.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
We're going to do the top ten teams under the
most pressure in the NFL. H let's just say that
you're going to be very upset with me what I
reveal that list later in the show, but coming up next,
Eric Mangini, you're on the Herd.
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Speaker 2 (27:26):
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Speaker 3 (27:28):
When I first started at Fox, I would do the
shows and I would run into coaches here and I'd
be just in awe. As a Jets fan. I ran
into Eric Mangini and I was like, what do I say?
You know, it's kind of in awe. And now I'm
interviewing him and I know him pretty well, been talking
to him for five years.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Now, Let's bring in Eric Mangini.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Fox Sports NFL analyst spent three years with the Jets,
spent some time with the Browns. Obviously in New England. Eric,
how's everything going, man?
Speaker 8 (27:54):
I think things are great, but we're still out in Cleanland.
We don't quite have the beautiful weather you have.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Yes over the last five years.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
Yeah, obviously very nice out here. All right, Let's start
Eric with the DeAndre Hopkins news. He was released by
the Cardinals, who appear to be tanking, but we don't
really care about them. Hopkins made it sound like he
wants to go to a contender play with Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
It almost feels like there's two options.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
He can try to take as much money as he
can from a team that can pay him, or maybe
take a little less on a one year deal and
play for a winner like the Bills or the Chiefs.
If you're instructing Hopkins, what's your advice to d hop.
Speaker 8 (28:32):
Well, look, I like the idea of if you if
you feel like you're at a point in your career
where you've made enough money and you want to you
want to go chase the rings, and I think Kansas
City is a is a great place to do that.
I think it's a perfect place to do that. You know,
you can make the argument that the Buffalo would be
in a good place to do that as well, although
they haven't had the consistent success that Kansas City has had,
(28:55):
but maybe he can put him, put him over the edge,
and you go. You could sign a one year d
and then get the money after you get the ring,
and a lot of guys will will offer that a
little bit later in their career. It's somewhat of what
his mindset is. Does he want to deal with the
idea of a one year contract that can be uncomfortable
(29:17):
for guys because of injuries. And he said it pretty
clearly what he's looking for in terms of great defense,
an established organization, and a quarterback that loves football. That
was his quote.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
So yeah, I would A lot of the people who
are analyzing this situation for Hopkins, are trying to make
the claim that he's kind of fallen off a cliff
before we get to the team that you think he
fits best on. How much do we read into Well,
you know what, the Cardinals stunk last year. Everybody pretty
much checked out. Kyler Murray was hurt Hopkins. It sounds
like he could have played late in the season but
(29:52):
just didn't want to because they were terrible. You've seen
leaders like Buddha Baker get me the hell out of here.
I just wonder, Eric, how much can you read into
last year's DeAndre Hopkins or do you put that aside
and say, this guy's got a proven track record, we
want to bring him in.
Speaker 8 (30:07):
Well, well, let me just share and you probably watch
this game. When Randy Moss went to the Patriots from
from the Raiders, he hadn't had a I think he
barely played the year before, had very little production. If
he did play, he got traded for pretty insignificant amount,
didn't play during the preseason, and then we play him.
(30:27):
I think it was our home opener and he hung
on a one on us. So So here's what I'll
what I'll say is when you underestimate a great player
who's coming from a bad situation, you can get into
a lot of trouble and and look, we underestimated him
for maybe the first quarter, and then he just did
what he did to a lot of teams and took
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over the game. And I think that's that's always the
dangers when a guy's in a bad situation from a
from a team perspective and in a bad mindset. Because
of that, you're you're getting a much different product than
if a guy goes someplace where he's energized, where he's motivated.
Everything then looks dramatically different.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
All right, Eric Mangini, you gave me a team during
the commercial break where Hopkins you think he could go
and be great. I was surprised by this, But go
ahead and tell everybody what you make your case for
this team.
Speaker 8 (31:21):
Well, look, I've got a couple of spots where I
think he can be great. I think that the Jets
would be a really good fit. And I think the
Jets would be a good fit in the sense that
they've got cap room right now, they've got the fifth
most cap room, and they're going to be in a
bad salary cap situation in the next few years. But
if you're going all in, go all in, go all in.
(31:42):
You went, and you went got Rogers, go and get Hopkins,
and now the passing game dramatically changes. So I like
that idea from the Jets perspective, and my other former team,
the Browns, I think that's a really good fit too,
in the sense that they've gone all in the year
before with Shaun Watson, and that's got to work. It
(32:03):
has got to work. And here's a guy that he's
he likes, he's got a comfort level with, and they've
got a great running game. They're going to be better
on defense. I think that Deshaun Watson is going to
potentially be a different player because he's over all of
the not all of the issues, but the transition back
to playing. He's played six games, he knows the system
(32:27):
that could be. That could be a really good situation
for the Browns, in a really good situation for Hopkins.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Let's pivot to the Rogers.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Guda kunst Beef in Green Bay. Listen, you were a
head coach, Eric, obviously, when you guys have a franchise
quarterback and the GM wants to bring one.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
In, you know, you talk me through that in the
war room, Hey, guys, do.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
We need to put in a call to Aaron Rodgers
and let him know we're trading up for a quarterback.
I mean, I know he's in his mid thirties Rogers
at the time of his draft, and he didn't have
a great year, but they went thirteen and three, they
lost in the NFC title game, and Gudah Kunst calls
it all trades up for a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Did Rogers deserve a call?
Speaker 8 (33:05):
Yeah? Look, I would imagine you'd want to give Aaron
Rodgers a call. If you're going to make a decision
like that, that's going to be such a high profile
decision that you're expending a first round draft pick on.
You move up to make the pick, and it really
is going to be his successor. And I understand it
from an organizational perspective. Quarterbacks get hurt all the time,
(33:27):
so to have a really good quarterback backing up your
starter is a great situation to be in. And we
see it every year where a team gets deep in
either the end of the season or at the start
of the playoff run, they lose their starter and they
fall off a cliff. So I get that from an
organizational standpoint, But I also think that you want to
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communicate with your superstar, and Green Bay has been in
such a unique situation where they've been so spoiled, going
from Brett Fahr to Aaron Rodgers, that sometimes you don't
appreciate how good you have it. You don't know what
it's like to live without a Hall of Fame quarterback.
Now they're gonna learn very quickly what life is like
(34:10):
without a Hall of Fame quarterback, and it's uncomfortable. So yeah,
I would say you'd probably want to call any star
if you're going to draft a guy in their position
that can potentially take their spot.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
Yeah, whether it's work, friends, marriage, you've all communication is
the key, and it clearly they had none in Green Bay.
Let me ask about brock Purty and San Francisco. Eric,
This is crazy, but for some reason Lynch keeps talking
to the media about brow brock Purdy is the leader
in the clubhouse.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
He just had surgery. It's May and June. What do
they do? Something seems to be going on in San Francisco.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
I don't know if they keep sending out maybe they're
trying to tell everybody, Hey, hey, everybody.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Trey Lances for sale. Do you want him? Brock Perty's
our guy.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
You see Sam Darnold at Warriors games, hanging out with
McCaffrey and Kittle and those guys. Something seems to be
a miss in San Francisco, and the whiffing on Trey
Lance almost points to me to hmmm. I wonder if
Lynch is trying to distance himself from the Lance pick
and say, hey, that was Shanan, I wasn't me. I
don't know what's happening, but something seems to be going
(35:12):
on in San fran I don't.
Speaker 8 (35:15):
Think it's a distancing thing. There's the famous saying from
May West. If you've got to tell people you're a lady,
then you're not. And whenever you're overly affusive with praise,
you worry about what is the motivation. I think that
when Sam Darnold signed as early as he did in
the free agency period, a lot of people took a
(35:35):
step back because that usually doesn't happen, especially if you're
signing to be potentially the third quarterback. And I would
imagine that for him to sign that early, there had
to be an element of conversation of you've got a
chance to start here. You've got a chance to play here.
You've got a chance to be the guy there, which
(35:55):
I imagine is really attracted to Sam Darnold. They've done
it such a great job with quarterbacks, and really Sam
did some good things last year, and for him to
be inserted into this offense, into this organization with with
the running game, the defense, all all of the elements
that really help a quarterback be successful. Who knows what
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Donald could be. Now, now that being said, you've got
brock party. He did an amazing job, an incredible job,
and you don't want to take away from what he did,
and you don't want to look disingenuous, and you don't
want to look like you're you're undercutting him. So so
what you do is you you constantly praise him and
(36:36):
you make sure that that people are clear with the intention,
although the signing of Sam Donald really brings that that
intention under a lot more scrutiny.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
Yeah, I know, you have to work together with the
GM and the head coach. Everybody's got to be in
lockstep on the same page. But as you've told me,
the story about with Farv in New York, like it's
all it's tough, like Initially you could be like, hey,
let's all together, let's do this, let's get this guy,
let's move this guy. But then if things don't work out,
it's does the finger point he begin in the blame
game to try.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
To save jobs.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
Like again, I'm not saying anybody's in trouble yet in
San fran but this lance thing, I mean they trade
it up, and I mean the guy might end up
with like two or three starts in San Francisco before
he's moved or I don't know what you I don't
know what you do with them.
Speaker 8 (37:23):
Yeah, it's it's it's a rough situation when you when
you miss on a high draft pick, and and not
only do you miss on a high draft pick, but
you mortgage so many future draft picks to bring that
guy in. It's it's hard to get your head around
that from an ownership perspective. And these are guys that
have a lot of experience with with quarterback play, with
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evaluating quarterbacks, and then you go get someone who's mister
irrelevant and he plays the way he does. That doesn't
necessarily reinforce your your your draft you know stock. It
doesn't say you're a great drafter. It worked out really well.
But if you thought that highly of him, you would
(38:07):
have picked him much more highly than you did. So, yeah,
that's that. They've had a ton of success. They've done
so many good things there, but this this is an
ongoing issue, and the Trey Lance component of it is
it's hard. It's hard for them to work through.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Yeah, looking forward to that.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
Eric Mangini, Fox Sports NFL Analyst, Great stuff is always
continued success and have fun in Cleveland, Eric.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
This summer awesome.
Speaker 8 (38:35):
We'll talk to you sir.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
All right, Eric Mangini, very good guy. It's interesting Alex.
You know he sees the Browns kind of in the
mix for Hopkins. I think Hopkins could be a game changer.
But I'm gonna go back to something I said at
the open, like, when you have a quarterback on a
rookie deal, you should be spending bring in the wide receiver,
elevate your young quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (38:56):
I have a veteran wide receiver.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Yeah, this guy knows what he's doing.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
I don't know if he's a locker room leader demanding
a trade. Some of these, like some of these quotes
you're seeing like going.
Speaker 5 (39:04):
On podcasts, kind of a dumpster fire. Situation where he
was at. Okay, it wasn't just him. You saw it
with his quarterback. You saw the quarterback wasn't getting along
with the franchise and the organization and the coach and
everything like that. So he wants to be somewhere where
he can succeed. I would you say he's kind of
towards the middle end of.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
His yeah career, maybe he's on the back nine for sure.
Speaker 5 (39:25):
Yeah, you know, you want to be somewhere where you
have an opportunity to win. And he probably thought that
in the beginning.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
Yeah, the motivated part that Mangini spoke of with Randy Moss.
I don't think Hopkins is quite there, but he's certainly
not far. Like Hopkins has been a top five receiver
in this league for a while.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
Yeah. I was gonna make the case, Alex.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
The two teams that jump out at me and this
may not be appealing, but the Atlanta Falcons they have
Desmond Ritter starting his second year.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
I already see you're not interested. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (39:52):
I tried to sell it to thee to go somewhere
where you can win.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
Now. I tried to sell it to the staff this morning.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
They were like, I'm just I'm just pointing out Falcons. Yeah,
division is winnable quarterback on the rookie deal, Desmond Rider.
You've also got b Jon Robinson, you just drafted, Yeah,
Drake London and Kyle Pitts. That's like a young nucleus.
Hopkins would instantly be the veteran there you've got. You know,
I think you've got the makings of an offense. You
could steal the division if the Saints kind of fumble.
(40:19):
I don't I'm not a believer in Carolina. Tampa's going
to be very bad.
Speaker 4 (40:22):
Like there's a chance Saints will fumble.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
I mean there's I mean, Carl I like the Saints
a lot. I believe they'll win the division, but things happen, injuries.
Derek Carr it's like fifteen games under five hundred his career,
So I don't know.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
I thought the Falcons made sense.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
The other team I was looking at with the Bears,
who I think could make a big leap.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
They've spent a lot this off season.
Speaker 4 (40:41):
Who can afford him?
Speaker 2 (40:42):
Well, that's the other thing.
Speaker 4 (40:44):
That's the biggest thing. It's like who has the.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
Ability to take and if Hopkins is not going to
get a lot of money.
Speaker 3 (40:50):
Does he want to go to Desmond Ridder or Justin
Fields versus like Aaron Rodgers, Deshaun Watson, Patrick Mahomes Like,
at this stage, you wants to win. You want to
win a super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (40:59):
That's the point. That's why he wants out.
Speaker 5 (41:01):
Where he was had potential to be great, Yeah, ended
up going the complete opposite direction.
Speaker 4 (41:06):
And now he's like, I want out, I want to win.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
All right, first hour in the books, no executives on set,
So I guess we're doing alright, Alex.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
In the second hour.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
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heading into this season. If you are a AFC fan,
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