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Joel klat In one hour Michigan the Kings of college football.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Leads until we get to the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Jamak had a very interesting conversation last night with a
very well connected college football insiders. The insider was saying,
the word is all around that Michigan program, Jim Harbaugh
moving on. It feels like an after the potential national championship.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Yeah, I think they're probably going to get there. Colin,
I'm excited for it.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
All right, we start with that.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Jeremy Fowler, respected journalist, said, Harbaugh's name has percolated around
the NFL. There is a belief that this might be
the year. Take away the fact that maybe you just
don't you know, Like Jim Harbaugh, Michigan has had three
great coaching hires in the history of this esteemed football program.
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Lloyd Carr was there for thirteen won seventy five percent
of his games in a natty bo Schembeckler's probably the
biggest legend there for twenty one seasons, five times he
finished in the top four. And then indisputably it's Jim
Harbaugh who's going to his third straight season, finishing in
the top four only their nine years, but winning seventy
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seven almost seventy eight percent of the games. Lloyd Carr, Schambeckler,
Jim Harbaugh. Those are their three great football hires. But
with Harbaugh, unlike the other two at least in their prime,
with Harbaugh, he's become like politics and religion. You can't
change anybody's opinion on him, and everybody's got a strong
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opinion on him right. But more than anything, this can't
be disputed. Ohio State was arguably, along with Alabama, the
best college football program in America about four years ago.
Now they are the second best football program in their
own conference.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
The Big Ten.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Jim Harbaugh has relegated Ohio State to just another team.
Michigan beats focus, physical, run first, power football, just like
the Niners Stanford. Ohio State was pushed around by Michigan
for the third year in a row. And this was
the great Ohio State defense, it was vaunted, was exceptional,
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and yet Ohio State scored on every single drive of
the second half. They weren't kneeling. With over one hundred
and twenty yards rushing in the second half. That is
owning somebody. It was just four years ago that Ohio
State was second to Alabama in most eyes. Now they're
second in the Big Ten. And like politics and religion,
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the Harbaugh haters line up. They've got to find a
way to tear him down. He's cheating the scandal at
signs again without the signs. Michigan, even more dominant than
previous years, scored on every second half drive. They didn't kneel.
In politics these days, if you're wrong, you can claim
it was rigged. That's clever, isn't it. In religion you
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can claim if you're wrong, well, the man upstairs doesn't
exist at all, right, you can be agnostic. And in
football Ohio State can claim a lot of things, but
one thing is indisputable. As long as Jim Harbaugh remains
the coach of Michigan, you may occasionally beat him, but
they will have the best coach and the best culture
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in the series. That is indisputable. They are power football personified.
Ohio State now gets pushed around at the line of scrimmage,
even their vaunted defenses camp stop Michigan in second halves.
In politics, you can just claim we actually won. It
was rigged at Ohio State. You can claim it's cheating.
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It was removed this year and again they scored on
every drive. They didn't kneel. The only way, unlike religion,
you can't claim he doesn't exist. The only way to
retake this series if you're a Buckeye go back to
the start of my rant.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Cross your fingers that he leaves. That's the only way,
all right.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
So the Warriors last night played a sort of an
up and coming Warrior team, the second Cremental Kings. They
had a great playoff series last year. A lot of
people like Sacramento Beam Light Light Beam, whatever it was called.
Everybody loved Sacramento and they just weren't quite ready to win,
but they got close. They met again last night. Warriors
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had this game, but Steve Kerr doesn't like playing young guys,
pulled out Moses Moody, who was hot, went with the
old guys and it didn't work. But one of the
things in sports that's important, instead of nitpicking Tiger in
his prime or knit picking this quarterback or that quarterback,
enjoy the ride while it's great, because greatnessn't long last
very long. Find me a dynasty, and I think the
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Warriors dynasty is officially dead. Find me one that elegantly ended,
that ended on their terms. The Patriots now a mess.
Spurs bottomed out, Joe Gibbs left Washington, they've never recovered. Spurs,
Lakers post Kobe half decade awful. If you look at
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Michael Jordan leaving the Bulls the next six years, I
believe the most win Chicago had was thirty.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
None of them end.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Elegantly, and usually for the same reason. Right, you get
overly loyal to people that got you trophies. They're past
their prime. You sign them to one more contract. There's
cap space limitations, you're missing a draft pick. This is
where I'll give the Warriors a lot of credit.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
They tried to.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Infuse this roster with draft picks, youth, new guys, but
D'Angelo Russell, like he is with the Lakers, was too screwy.
They got rid of him. Andre Iguodala was great briefly,
Bogut great, got hurt. But the draft picks, Wiseman coaminga
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moody none of them work. And I think there's a
reason none of them work. Jordan Poole, Why don't they
work well? Number one, Steph Clay and Draymond and Steve
Kerr coaching it. It's very high IQ basketball and increasingly
in college sports. You get Wemby at nineteen or check
Holmgren at nineteen or twenty. They're not emotionally ready to play,
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they're not physically ready to play. So you have this
like legendary offense Draymon and staff of the Catalyst. It's
very very young, virtually impossible for young guys to fit in.
They're just not ready to play. And the other thing
is that it's a unique system with two incredibly unique
players Draymond Green and staff. And for the record, old
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stars mostly don't like playing with young guys. When Lebron
James went to Miami, d Wade Bosh. He recruited ray
Allen Battye A loved Haslam, Mike Miller. When Lebron went
to Cleveland, they could have had Andrew Wiggins as to pick.
He's like, give me Kevin love. Kyrie Irving's been around
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a few years. He didn't want the young guys. When
Lebron gots a lost angelus at Kyle Kuzma, Lonzo Ball,
he got him out of town. He wanted Anthony Davis,
Kevin Durant chose Kyrie Irving. Now he goes to Phoenix.
He wants older guys. Go look at Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant,
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the great players. After they have the bag and rings.
They don't want to be mentors. They don't want to
be school teachers? Right, What can you do for them?
What can you do for me? And that doesn't mean
Steph Curry selfish? He's the opposite. But Draymond Green's got
no tolerance for Jordan Poole. Either does Claire Steph. They
don't have any time to waste on Kuminga unable to
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figure out the offense or Wiseman's nineteen years old, can't
even have a glass of wine at the Hotel Bar.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
I'll have time for it.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Lebron doesn't want to play with young guys. Katie didn't
want to play with young guys. Michael Jordan didn't want
to play with kids. Steph Draymont don't either. It's nobody's faults.
Steve Kurt doesn't want to coach him. Last night, Moody
was red hot fourth quarter, pulled him out one with
the old guys.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Steve doesn't want to coach young kids.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
It's understandable old stars don't want and don't generally.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Mesh with the young guys. They're past that stage.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Here was Charles Barkley last night on TNT on the
Fading Warriors.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
As I told y'all, this team is cooked. Y'all thought
I was crazy. They got away last year because Steph
went crazy in Game seven. Sacramento should have beat them.
They did two different things. No, no, I'm saying, and
with Candice point Steph, he gonna start slowing down too.
They got an old team. Everybody slows down. He looks
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like people forgot Last year. Sacramento went there, they was
like they gonna win Game six at home. Sacramento went
in there and kicked their butt. Then I said, man,
sacrament I picked him to win that series, but Steph
went crazy. He's not gonna be able to continue to
do that because those other guys aren't the same either.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
They're older.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
It doesn't end elegantly. Did you ever think in your life,
after watching twenty years of the Patriots dynasty, they would
be embarrassing because that's what they are now like they're embarrassing.
Belichick seems completely out of touch. Greg Popovitch got the
number one pick for a reason. They bottomed out. The
Bulls look so smartly run for years, and then they weren't.
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The Lakers are the biggest brand in the NBA. Post Kobe,
hard to watch. This is the way it was destined
to end. They'll have their moments, But winning a seven
game series over the Warriors, or excuse me, over the Nuggets,
over the Celtics, over the Bucks, over the Sixers, I
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don't see it, and right now, not over the Kings either.
All right, j Mac, you were a Sacramento Kings fan, Well,
you love Curry.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
I'm one of the biggest Curry fans on the internet.
I did tell you this team was getting old. And
now Chris Paul hurt last night.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Yep, it's like that's the way it is.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Yeah, nothing lasts forever. We know this, right, It's impossible
to stay on top.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
So you just got to enjoy it while it's there.
Those that Seahawk dynasty with Russell Wilson closed in like
three years. Yeah, we thought they were gonna be I
mean the way they beat Peyton manning the Super Bowl
and they should have won that one against the Patriots.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
You're like, this could be like a six year run.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
About a year later, injuries, players not getting along, niners
were good.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
You look up and you're like, yeah, all right, it's Ober. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
How about that Draymond turnover late? Huh, this is tough. Well,
you know they stay. They paid him a lot of
money in the offseason. Now getting a little old along
in the tooth, as they say.
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Speaker 1 (13:56):
That it is great to have you in a Wednesday.
Joel Klatt forty five minutes, OLA's spirited debate. Like j Mac,
I do not believe in Florida State out of here
backup quarterbacks see you. I want to talk Tom Brady,
though Tom Brady has a podcast, it's called Let's Go,
and he's doubling down on a criticism he has had
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where several people I've pushed back on it, and Alex
Smith at the other places pushed back on it. Alex
does a great job Brady doubling down on what he
believes is the erosion of the NFL.
Speaker 8 (14:31):
But I think the pro game is reflecting more of
what the college game is as opposed to the college
game reflecting what the pro game is. We're asking now
pro players to play college football, and that's the biggest difference.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
I see.
Speaker 8 (14:45):
This is way more checkers now than it is chess.
I tried to play chess. I wanted to have three
moves ahead of you all the times.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
But he had to.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
So everything for Brady, if you look at his career,
was actually uphill. He comes in as a sixth rounder,
has to prove himself. Defenses in that time period could
do more, could be more violent. He had a defensive
head coach and mostly a defensive culture, and the wide
receiver talent twenty years ago wasn't nearly as deep or
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as good as it is today. So Brady's superpower had
to be his brain. He also had to face all
time great defenses, the Seahawks, the Steelers, the Tampa Bay Bucks,
the Ravens. Nothing today compares to those. Some of it
is the rules were different, In fact, that's a lot
of it, and the culture was different. You were allowed
to do more. So Brady is the greatest chess player
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of all time. It is easier for quarterbacks today. The
rules lean in their favor. They get much better coaching
high school college. The coordinators now the head coaches that
are offensive, but give them far more options. It's far
more sophisticated. The tight end talent today compared to twenty
years ago, is insane. The wide receiver talent's insane. But
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here's where all pushback again with Tom. The best quarterbacks
in this league are overwhelmingly kids. Even Mahomes is twenty eight,
Burrows young, Herbert's young, Jalen Hurts as a baby, Lamar.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Trevor, Lawrence, C. J.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Stroud, Jay Mack thinks brought perties the next Dan Marino.
They're all kids. I mean, how many old guys make
an impact? Stafford hurt about every fourth week, Aaron Rodgers
hurt now, and Russell Wilson has been reborn. But it's
a young Quarterbacks League. Brady became a great chess player,
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and I would earmark going back his eighth year.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
He was thirty.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
That's Brady's eighth year, and there's interviews to acknowledge it.
He became the chess player. He'd seen great defenses, he'd
seen every coverage, he'd listened to Belichick.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
It was in his eighth year.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
I think these quarterbacks we have now will become chess players.
I think some of them are transitioning from checkers to chess.
Some are clearly playing checkers, one or two are close
to chess. But again, if you go look at Tom,
remember he played the mid forties. It was about thirty
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when not only did the light go on, but he
could manipulate defenses every time he went to the line
audible out of trouble, audible into productive yards. I think
it's really hard to be an NFL quarterback. For the record,
I think the talents better around quarterbacks, the coaching is better,
and the rules are better for them. But defensive players
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are also bigger, stronger, and faster than they've ever been,
so I think the young guys will get there. But
Tom is the greatest chess player of all time. There's
no doubt, but it takes it's time to master chess.
Even I can play checkers. J.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Mack with a.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
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Speaker 4 (18:12):
Brady's such a master. He picked like the perfect time
to come out with this hot take about the mediocre
because so many quarterbacks are hurt. You know, you see
some of these totals on games. It's like thirty three
for the Falcons and Jets of whatever the numbers are.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Well, there's four games this weekend, I think four maybe
five with a backup quarterback playing, and there's only a
couple of great Listen, football is as entertaining is the
quality of quarterback play?
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Last week?
Speaker 1 (18:34):
The best game Josh Allen Jalen hurts. Another game that
was wildly entertaining was Trevor Lawrence against C. J. Stroud, Right,
and then you look at games like the Giants and Patriots, Bears,
Vikings and it's unwatchable. Yeah, so the quarterback play is
really really important, and I do think we have seven
or eight Daks having his best year. I think we
have seven or eight and I have to include Dac
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this year. Really high end quarterbacks, I could argue is
playing more chess than he's ever played. I think Dak's
happened his best year. I think he's I always thought
Dak was good at the line of scrimma.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
He's staying on a lot of bad teams, but it is.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
But against Philadelphia, I think Dak is much more of
a chess player than he's ever been this year. And
I've never been a huge Dak fan, but I think
he's playing next level football.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
A lot of it has to do with the too
high safety. Look, people decided we're gonna go with that note,
We'll give you all the short stuff. Go ahead, drive
the length of the field. You're gonna make mistakes, and
everybody is. It's like you know in the NBA, everybody said, oh,
we got to move the three point line back or
change it because all anybody doing is threes or layups. Well,
all any defense now is doing is sitting back and saying,
go ahead, We'll give you what you want, no big plays.
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And it's kind of mucking up the game. But anyway,
so we'll dive deep into it later. How about the
matchup this weekend, the rematch Eagles Niners, Sanfran looking to
avenge that loss.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Thirty two million viewers. What do you make of it?
Thirty million viewers?
Speaker 1 (19:54):
I mean the college football game got nineteen million in Michigan,
Ohio state. A college football game got nineteen million. And
I think the Eagles bills you can look it up.
I think it got close to I got over twenty
five million. It may have gotten like twenty eight.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
This could get thirty thirty five.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Isn't that insane?
Speaker 4 (20:09):
Not really, This is a great matchup. I mean, these
are the best team.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
It's about linear TV is it's not working anymore. If
you can get a million people to watch a show
on the networks, it's a big deal. I have thirty
five million people watching football game, and there's multiple football
games on at the same time around the country.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
What you're saying around that urgency is that what it
is like, there's massive urgency.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
You have the two things that get ratings, It doesn't
matter if it's politics or sports. Is stars and urgency.
The NBA gives you stars. The NFL gives you stars
and urgency, very few dames. Scarcity of games, yeah, scarcity
so San Francisco, Philadelphia, Like, I don't even I'm turning
my phone off. You won't go to be I'm going
to be completely anti social for that game.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
Yeah, no text either, both.
Speaker 7 (20:52):
You know.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Nick Bosa spoke out this week saying that the rematch
aspect is a little bit overplayed.
Speaker 9 (20:58):
It's a huge game, obviously with the seeding and all that.
We're different teams this year, we're at different spots. They're
really good and if found ways to win this year,
it's just going to be another game, another game where
we have to execute. And I'm extremely confident this go around.
I was confident last year, but some things early in
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the game definitely hurt us. But we're just excited for
another opportoon.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
The addition of Chase Young is not being talked about.
It's a bigger deal than people are letting on another
pass rusher, another big body off the edge.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
So I like San Francisco.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
When the line came out. Now it's up to.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
Two and a half. Some places three, it's not the lasting.
When you see three, everybody then bets Eagles getting the
field goals.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Still like the Niners.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
I love the Niners. Here's my issue with the Eagles
right now. They're falling behind and struggling out of the gate. Colin,
what does San Francisco do better than anyone else in
the league. The scripted stuff. The best team opening the game,
they come down score, put you behind the eight ball. Listen,
we saw them against Dallas. Okay, put Dallas behind early,
just choked them out. Jacksonville, same deal, Pittsburgh, look up
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and down the schedule. When they get that early lead,
it's lights out because the path rush is unleashed. And
look at Philadelphia struggles lately calmed, they start slow.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Here's the thing for Philadelphia, though.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
If Philadelphia says to themselves, we're gonna play these guys again,
that's what Philadelphia is saying. We're gonna play these guys again.
And they come in they're a little healthier than us.
Not that you don't want to win the game, but
it's not the end of the world for the loser
of this matchup.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
That's one of the things.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
Put Philly's at home, in front of that home. They're
gonna be juiced up in Philly. It's gonna be a scene.
You don't want to be like.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
We'll get them later. No, no, I just it's one
of these things.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
I can't wait to watch it, but I feel like
this is the first of two fights.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
I would agree. You cannot overestimate extra rest for San Frean.
They played Thanksgiving night, Philly coming off an exhausting overtime
game following on Monday night. Like that to me is
everything like that alone has me on the Niners. So
the stat to watch though, Kyle Shanahan and thirty seven
when trailing by eight or more in the fourth quarter.
So if Philly can get the lead somehow, I don't
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see it happens.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
So Philly get big leads on anybody.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
That's a thing they come back for all the games,
all right. Next up Buffalo Bills heading into their bye
week at six and six. Tough loss to the Eagles.
Fourth time this season Buffalo has lost a fourth quarter lead.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Who's that on?
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Coach? Quarterback?
Speaker 3 (23:29):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
McDermott still believes the team can make the playoffs.
Speaker 10 (23:33):
Listen, no one's more frustrated.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Than I am.
Speaker 10 (23:36):
I can promise you that we're working hard at figuring
it out. You know, those are the things that we're
studying moving forward, and we know we'd rather have a
better recon than what we have, but we are who
we are, and the encouraging thing is everything all the
goals that we that we set for ourselves are still
within our reach.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
It's his tone changed a little. Is that fair?
Speaker 1 (24:02):
You think he was a little more dogmatic and territorial
early and now he's a little more apologetic. He's pulled
back the reins. And I think some of this. Remember
their defensive coordinator quit in the offseason. Weird, Okay, he
was kind of rubbed out by McDermott and the mistakes
for Josh Allen once again fire up. They fired the OC.
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So when coaches get his tone has changed, they fired
the OC.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
The DC left.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
It all points to the rigidity of Sean McDermott again.
The comp all use again as Chuck Knox, a legendary
coach who coached in Buffalo, LA and Seattle. I grew
up Chuck notch was as coach. He was a cleanup artist.
That's what McDermott is. Smart, guy, has the details. He's
not a visionary. He's you know, he's kind of a
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he's kind of a I think he was a high
school wrestler, tough guy, bottom line details. He's got a
very clear focus on what he wants and he's very
good at cleaning up the ma. Yes, where's the vision
that's what Sean Payton has McVeigh, Shanahan, Andy Reid, it's
the vision. Some coaches are clean up artists, but there's
no second gear. I don't see the second gear here.
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They can't build a consistently good run game six years in.
They'll watch what mcveigh's done with the old line in
the run game for the Rams this year with less talent.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Well, he's younger, he's an offensive guy. But how much
has this discussion changed if Josh Allen simply hits Gabe
Davis on that overtime pass gave Davis opening the end zone.
He ran the correct route Davis.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Okay, you know bost is a team that's more buttoned
up offensively. We don't have that discussion because they do
hit game Davis. They had ten penalties in the first half.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
That's bad. Bad.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
Producer adds here that the Bills are six and oer
coming out of by weeks under McDermott. That's a great sign,
right preparation. Coming out of the bye week, they go
to Kansas City, Colin.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Certainly a whenable games, certainly a wenable game. No, hey,
look at the schedule. There's a lot of wins there potentially.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
That's a winnable game.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Absolutely, I don't. I'm not saying they're going to wink.
I'm gonna say it's a winnable And then.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
After that they host Dallas. Now that that will be
Dallas going to cold Weather.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
That is not an easy schedule. Mahomes Herbert Dax. Well,
let's fuss Herbert out for now. Okay, we're done discussing
the Chargers. Okay, sorry, I know you've got a lot
of Chargers fans. I can't even stomach listening to them
on the air. That's saying being said. Three of those
final five games are tough. That Miami game in Miami
four tough? Who's the fourth Chargers top?
Speaker 4 (26:33):
No or tough?
Speaker 3 (26:34):
So if you lose three, okay, it's over.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
That's nine losses.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
They're not going to the playoffs. And I think McDermott
he's got to go, right.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
I think he's done a great job. He will also,
for the record, get another head coaching job because there's
seven teams a.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Year in this league that need to be cleaned up.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
I mean, when you got Guyer, a defensive guy, you
got to go grap.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
He got into the playoffs before Josh Allen. He got
Tyron Tanner to the playoffs. By the way, what you
don't want me at is chaos. Sean McDermott will end chaos.
When he comes in the building, he will clean it up.
Give him four or five years, you'll be a playoff team.
The question is, and this may be a handful of coaches,
does he have vision? Can he take you to the
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next step? That's the only The question isn't Is he
a good coach? Is he a smart guy?
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Check?
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Check?
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Is he detailed?
Speaker 5 (27:22):
Check?
Speaker 1 (27:23):
But he is not an offensive coach. There are limitations
on that side. So he is very dependent on getting
the OC right. He did for a couple of years
with Abel.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
Yeah, so it's not I'm saying McDermott couldn't if Dorsey
is out and they went and found another OC.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
I'm not saying they couldn't be much better next year.
But he is very reliant. Belichick wasn't reliant on an OC.
Charlie Wise, Josh McDaniels, Andy Reid is not reliant on
a defensive coach. On offensive coach those bags is good.
Shawn's very reliant on getting the OC right.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
My final story is we've talked about Mac Jones and
the Patriots All season long. He's been benched in four
of eleven games, which is crazy. Oh see, Bill O'Brien
is defending mac Jones. He's the one Colin saying I
don't think he's the number one guy to blame. If
you want to blame anybody, blame me, all right, Bill
Charger six point favorites in New English six.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
I like the Chargers. I know it's dangerous.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
So Albert Breer said something a couple of weeks ago,
and I was told this. I was texted this over
the weekend. So Albert Breer as a source, and I
have one, and they're saying the same thing. I think
what's really worn the Patriots out is what they thought
they were getting from Nick Saban, Nick and Belichick are close.
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Was a kid who made good decisions but was limited athletically.
That's what they thought they were getting. Saban said, he's
limited athletically, but he makes good decisions. And what they've
really been disappointed with this is what I was told
is he's actually a very poor decision maker.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
You've watched c. J. Stroud.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
He's obviously a quick thinker. He's a great quick decision maker,
like some guy's just quick. Herbert I think makes very
good quick decisions. Zach Wilson is not. Mac Jones does not.
They either don't see the field, it's cognitive whatever it
is is. I think the Patriots, I was told this weekend,
they are just really frustrated with what they view as
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like sub average decision making and they thought that was
the one thing they were getting and it turns out
he's not good at that or the athletic part.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
All I heard from Patriot stands is the reason they
stunk offensively last year was was it Matt Patricia was
the OC? We just got to get Bill O'Brien, and
the Bill O'Brien's in there. So is it the OC?
Is it the quarterback?
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Well, they're going to draft a quarterback. They are drafting
a quarterback bon Nicks probably Yes. By the way, bo
Nix is perfect, He's perfect.
Speaker 4 (29:57):
Hemming him as a checkdown Charlie, he started to drill
down on it. Incredible status here. I'm not saying is.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
He's a He's much more athletic than mac Jones.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
That's not disputable.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
I'm more athletic than that.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
He doesn't have a dad, bod he gets ripped, you
know what I mean. But he is ripped.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
He's got a zillion starts in college.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
He's very athletic. It's like c. J. Stroud and Justin Herbert.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
You don't notice in college sometimes they're being protected by
their coaches, and then you watch CJ. Stroud against Georgia
or Herbert against Wisconsin, and you're like, oh damn, but
these guys can move. Bo Nicks can move. So he's athletic.
He's cut up, he's accurate. He doesn't throw a great
deep ball to knock on him. He didn't throw a
ton over the top deep, didn't have a power arm.
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But he's like Mac Jones if he made better decisions
and was more athletic, with a lot more college starts.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
That's something. J Mack with the News.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
Herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
J Max got people fired up. Diana Russini stops today.
Joel Klatt top of next hour. The holidays are a
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Speaker 2 (31:07):
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Speaker 4 (31:13):
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Coverage begins Saturday at six thirty Eastern on Fox.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
So here's a story breaking news.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Robert Sala, coach of the Jets, has announced the Jets
are opening a twenty one day window practice window for
Aaron Rodgers his potential return in the next three weeks.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
A twenty one day window.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
It's you know, it's part of the process, part of
the progress of his rehab. I think it would be
a gigantic mistake for Aaron Rodgers to play. I do
not believe Aaron Rodgers is going to play. I don't
think he'd be ready behind this wobbly offensive line to play.
I think it could be a career ender if he
gets hurt again. Can you imagine doing rehab back to back?
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Come on, never forget he got hurt like one that
the first series, fourth play. Yeah, he got hurt. This
wasn't like a tear because he was worn down. He
got four plays into this season, this on line and
got hurt. And I hear all this said, Well, you know,
it's different, you know, not married, no kids, He's got
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nothing but time. He can just do this rehab father time.
He's now what forty thirty nine to forty of an
achille surgery. This is a horrible decision. I wish him well.
But I've said this before and I'll say it again.
Aaron Rodgers, in my opinion, is not going to matter
at an elite level in the NFL. Again, there's younger.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Quarter backs there.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
They're better, They've got better offensive coaches, they have better offensive.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
Line, they have better weapons.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
I think Aaron is interesting to listen to him chatter
about a bunch of stuff. You know, he makes headlines
and he's good content for us. But when Brady left
for Tampa, that was not the end of Brady. When
Stafford went to Detroit, that was not the end of Stafford.
When Farv went to the Jets and then Minnesota, that
was not the end of Farv, although it was close.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Aaron.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
This injury to me, I don't see. I don't see
how they would be highly relevant next year. I think
the Bills go out and get a better offensive coordinator
and bounce back. Josh Allen's just too good. I think
Miami with McDaniel and Tua. They're not going anywhere, right,
They're not going anywhere. I think New England gets a
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competent quarterback and gets better. Mahomes is going nowhere. Joe
Burrow comes back, Lamar and Harbaugh and that group are excellent.
You know, Pittsburgh's always going to be a factor again.
Jacksonville's not getting worse, Jay Stroud, Houston now is a
real player. The Chargers. They may get Hardbaugh, they may
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get a coach like that. Everybody thinks is the guy. Denver,
Russell Wilson are solved. I mean, this was the year.
I can argue this was the year to do it.
The Bills end of last year, this year dubtailed. Burrow
gets hurt, Herbert doesn't have the right coach. Jacksonville feels
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like they're close, but not right there yet. Kansas City
crossing their fingers that Rashi Rice is a number one,
but they're a bunch of kids at receiver. This is
the year to win in the AFC. This was the year.
This was the opportunity. And by the way, this is
timing is this is you know, this is the way
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life works, right. It's a lot of timing is a
lot of success and there are just time. I mean,
Phil Mickelson is one of the all time great golfers.
His prime was right around tiger Woods prime. By the way,
Loan Stockton, Jerry Sloan the coach. Those Jazz teams were excellent.
But Michael Jordan was in his prime. So there are
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there are times when people are I mean fantastic and
Aaron still got it. But this offense, you could argue,
needs four new offensive linemen. They need another receiver, they
got to get out of the Allenzar deal. They need
to upgrade at tight end. I love Bryce Hall, I
like Elijah Vera Tucker when he's healthy. I think Garrett
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Wilson's exceptional. But this offense needs a lot of work.
And my take is you probably got a trade like
a Sauce Gardner or an elite piece to upgrade positions
and not just have draft picks. But I believe this
was the year in the AFC between the Burrough injury
the erosion of Buffalo. Buffalo's with Josh Allen is going
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to be around for like seven eight more years of
good football. McDermott tends to be highly dependent on the
right offensive coordinator. That's okay, that's okay some coaches. By
the way, Sean McVay is doing much better this year
because Raheem Morris is a great young defensive coordinator.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
He's terrific.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
And by the way, the Niners defense was better last
year with the Meg Ryan than Steve Wilkes. It appears
this year that's where they go, get Chase Young. I mean,
sometimes you're dependent on the right coordinator. I think the
Jets now have to make a decision on Nat Hackett,
like a grown up decision. But last week Alan Lazard
was a did not participate a healthy scratch. So that
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feels like the Jets are going to take back the franchise,
probably move off Lazard, get a new OC, make some
decisions based on the future of the franchise and not
just appeasing Eron. But I don't think it's a hot
take and I don't think it's anti Aeron. I think
the Jets with Aaron will be very, very fun next
year and they'll be a good team. But you can't
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deny the AFC. It was not wide open last year.
Burrow at the end was on fire, Allen was playing well,
Mahomes was playing great. I mean Lamar Jackson was her,
but Herbert was putting up another big year, and we
hadn't sold all our stock on Brandon Staley yet. Like
it would last year, Like the there it was, it
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was a tough wall to get through. This year you
had a lot even Mahomes went three games. He couldn't
score in the second half, couldn't score a point. So
this this year was wide open and Aaron should not play.
Speaker 4 (37:24):
Can I ask you something? So if you look back
to the Brett Farv Mangini year FARV, you know Woody
Johnson was hot for Farv, brings in Farv, they go,
they start great, and then it falls apart. Do you
remember what happened next Colin? They moved off of Farv
it was obviously not working, and they drafted Mark Sanchez
y in top six pick or whatever, instantly to the
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AFC Championship twice in a row. They got a younger
quarterback and they switched things quickly. What's the percentage chance?
Woody Johnson and company, say, Boy Hackett Lazard, this was
a disaster. Rogers hurt, I'm done, Let's move on, Let's
not bring Rogers back, and let's draft the quarterback at
the top, So let's try to just reboot.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
There are the Jets in the mock draft today, are
They're eight?
Speaker 1 (38:10):
So if they keep losing and they finish six, that
means they'll get one of the great left tackles. Here's
my question. They'll get one of the great left tackles,
which is number one. Trade Sauce Gardner for a first rounder, five, six,
seven picks later, get Panix, get Jaden Daniels from LSU.
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I'm just saying, how is that gonna go over with Rogers?
Because Wood he was hot, he took the private jet
to go see him, and like recruiting him, you like
to say, when it's not working, move off of it,
don't waste time. Does he have the intestinal fortitude? No,
Aaron would not like that, but my voice being honest, Like,
your first pick is left tackle. So if they if
the Jets keep losing and end up six, they're gonna
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get arguably the best left tackle or an unbelievable time.
So Aaron would have to be happy with that. What
I'm saying is, do you move off Sauce and get
the future quarterback? I think it's very viable. Listen, if
you can get the left tackle, the offense will be
better immediately because you'll have better protection for Aaron.
Speaker 4 (39:14):
I'm saying, do you consider moving off Aaron runs.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
I don't think it's the craziest thing in the world.
I don't think it'll happen. But do I believe they've
ever had a coffee and discuss it upstairs? Probably? I
mean last week Lazard healthy, didn't play.
Speaker 4 (39:31):
Hackett's been a train wreck, Cobb nothing, Hardman already gone.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
But I'm just saying is.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
I'm not predicting it's gonna happen, But somebody told me
something years ago that corporations decide to move off you
six to nine months before they move off you, they
raise hands upstairs. Do I believe they're going Lizard's a
miss Hacket's a miss Randall, Cobb's not productive?
Speaker 4 (39:57):
Hey, Dalvin Cook? Did he have anything to do with that?
He recruited Dalvin Cook?
Speaker 5 (40:01):
Right?
Speaker 4 (40:01):
Well, I mean Dalvin Cook went from like a top
five six running back to what does he do with
yes two hundred yard rush.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
There's no way in the world they would have brought
Dalvin Cook in without Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
Like when Lebron goes somewhere and he calls the shots.
Things usually work out, I mean, wins titles Miami. It
goes back to Cleveland Lakers. Aaron Rodgers goes to the Jets,
called the shots, and what has worked?
Speaker 1 (40:23):
Give me one thing? Colin the defense. That's why I
wouldn't fire.
Speaker 4 (40:27):
He had nothing to do with that.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Ye, No, that's why I think Robert Sala. I would
not fire Robert. Robert Sala has proven, unlike Brandon Staley,
has proven he knows his side of the ball. His
side of the ball is excellent. They're just worn down
from being on the field all the time. But again,
nobody's saying this is going to happen. But this was
the year in the AFC where Kansas City is literally
went three weeks with Patrick Mahome. Andy Reid couldn't score
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a point in the second half, not a point. Buffalo
circles to drain Burrows, hurt Herbert. Now that thing's a mess.
By the way, Russell Wilson and Sean Payton next year
are going to start in a much better place than
they did, So that's going to be a viable playoff team.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
To your point, do you know who seven in the
AFC is right now the Indianapolis Colts with a rookie
coach and Gardner Minshew and we both.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
Love psyching Shane Stalling is he is great. And also
Anthony Richardson was wildly dynamic when he played.
Speaker 4 (41:24):
This is bad now and now when you put it
in contact like that, like this is the year jets there,
I have to scroll down a little bit. They're fifteen
of sixteen in the AFC.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Currently, get a left tackle, sell Sauce Gardner, get another
pick and try it. Pick fifteen sixteen to get Michael Pennox.
By the way, they don't have to play better, serve
to sit behind Aaron for a year anyway.
Speaker 4 (41:49):
Aaron's gonna love that, just like the way they drafted
Jordan Love. Actually, no, didn't that drive him to win
the MVP or something because he was so angry.
Speaker 3 (41:56):
I'm just spitting facts here, folks. It's fun.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
I have no Agena. Joel claps around the corner. Hour
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
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Speaker 3 (00:34):
It's the Hurt. Thanks for making us part of your day.
A lot of choices out there.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Joel klat In one hour Michigan the Kings of college football.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Leads until we get to the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Jamak had a very interesting conversation last night with a
very well connected college football insiders. The insider was saying,
the word is all around that Michigan program, Jim Harbaugh
moving on. It feels like an after the potential national championship.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Yeah, I think they're probably going to get there. Colin,
I'm excited for it.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
All right, we start with that.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Jeremy Fowler, respected journalist, said, Harbaugh's name has percolated around
the NFL. There is a belief that this might be
the year. Take away the fact that maybe you just
don't you know, Like Jim Harbaugh, Michigan has had three
great coaching hires in the history of this esteemed football program.
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Lloyd Carr was there for thirteen won seventy five percent
of his games in a natty bo Schembeckler's probably the
biggest legend there for twenty one seasons, five times he
finished in the top four. And then indisputably it's Jim
Harbaugh who's going to his third straight season, finishing in
the top four only their nine years, but winning seventy
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seven almost seventy eight percent of the games. Lloyd Carr, Schambeckler,
Jim Harbaugh. Those are their three great football hires. But
with Harbaugh, unlike the other two at least in their prime,
with Harbaugh, he's become like politics and religion. You can't
change anybody's opinion on him, and everybody's got a strong
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opinion on him right. But more than anything, this can't
be disputed. Ohio State was arguably, along with Alabama, the
best college football program in America about four years ago.
Now they are the second best football program in their
own conference.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
The Big Ten.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Jim Harbaugh has relegated Ohio State to just another team.
Michigan beats focus, physical, run first, power football, just like
the Niners Stanford. Ohio State was pushed around by Michigan
for the third year in a row. And this was
the great Ohio State defense, it was vaunted, was exceptional,
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and yet Ohio State scored on every single drive of
the second half. They weren't kneeling. With over one hundred
and twenty yards rushing in the second half. That is
owning somebody. It was just four years ago that Ohio
State was second to Alabama in most eyes. Now they're
second in the Big Ten. And like politics and religion,
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the Harbaugh haters line up. They've got to find a
way to tear him down. He's cheating the scandal at
signs again without the signs. Michigan, even more dominant than
previous years, scored on every second half drive. They didn't kneel.
In politics these days, if you're wrong, you can claim
it was rigged. That's clever, isn't it. In religion you
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can claim if you're wrong, well, the man upstairs doesn't
exist at all, right, you can be agnostic. And in
football Ohio State can claim a lot of things, but
one thing is indisputable. As long as Jim Harbaugh remains
the coach of Michigan, you may occasionally beat him, but
they will have the best coach and the best culture
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in the series. That is indisputable. They are power football personified.
Ohio State now gets pushed around at the line of scrimmage,
even their vaunted defenses camp stop Michigan in second halves.
In politics, you can just claim we actually won. It
was rigged at Ohio State. You can claim it's cheating.
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It was removed this year and again they scored on
every drive. They didn't kneel. The only way, unlike religion,
you can't claim he doesn't exist. The only way to
retake this series if you're a Buckeye go back to
the start of my rant.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Cross your fingers that he leaves. That's the only way,
all right.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
So the Warriors last night played a sort of an
up and coming Warrior team, the second Cremental Kings. They
had a great playoff series last year. A lot of
people like Sacramento Beam Light Light Beam, whatever it was called.
Everybody loved Sacramento and they just weren't quite ready to win,
but they got close. They met again last night. Warriors
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had this game, but Steve Kerr doesn't like playing young guys,
pulled out Moses Moody, who was hot, went with the
old guys and it didn't work. But one of the
things in sports that's important, instead of nitpicking Tiger in
his prime or knit picking this quarterback or that quarterback,
enjoy the ride while it's great, because greatnessn't long last
very long. Find me a dynasty, and I think the
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Warriors dynasty is officially dead. Find me one that elegantly ended,
that ended on their terms. The Patriots now a mess.
Spurs bottomed out, Joe Gibbs left Washington, they've never recovered. Spurs,
Lakers post Kobe half decade awful. If you look at
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Michael Jordan leaving the Bulls the next six years, I
believe the most win Chicago had was thirty.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
None of them end.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Elegantly, and usually for the same reason. Right, you get
overly loyal to people that got you trophies. They're past
their prime. You sign them to one more contract. There's
cap space limitations, you're missing a draft pick. This is
where I'll give the Warriors a lot of credit.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
They tried to.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Infuse this roster with draft picks, youth, new guys, but
D'Angelo Russell, like he is with the Lakers, was too screwy.
They got rid of him. Andre Iguodala was great briefly,
Bogut great, got hurt. But the draft picks, Wiseman coaminga
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moody none of them work. And I think there's a
reason none of them work. Jordan Poole, Why don't they
work well? Number one, Steph Clay and Draymond and Steve
Kerr coaching it. It's very high IQ basketball and increasingly
in college sports. You get Wemby at nineteen or check
Holmgren at nineteen or twenty. They're not emotionally ready to play,
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they're not physically ready to play. So you have this
like legendary offense Draymon and staff of the Catalyst. It's
very very young, virtually impossible for young guys to fit in.
They're just not ready to play. And the other thing
is that it's a unique system with two incredibly unique
players Draymond Green and staff. And for the record, old
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stars mostly don't like playing with young guys. When Lebron
James went to Miami, d Wade Bosh. He recruited ray
Allen Battye A loved Haslam, Mike Miller. When Lebron went
to Cleveland, they could have had Andrew Wiggins as to pick.
He's like, give me Kevin love. Kyrie Irving's been around
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a few years. He didn't want the young guys. When
Lebron gots a lost angelus at Kyle Kuzma, Lonzo Ball,
he got him out of town. He wanted Anthony Davis,
Kevin Durant chose Kyrie Irving. Now he goes to Phoenix.
He wants older guys. Go look at Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant,
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the great players. After they have the bag and rings.
They don't want to be mentors. They don't want to
be school teachers? Right, What can you do for them?
What can you do for me? And that doesn't mean
Steph Curry selfish? He's the opposite. But Draymond Green's got
no tolerance for Jordan Poole. Either does Claire Steph. They
don't have any time to waste on Kuminga unable to
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figure out the offense or Wiseman's nineteen years old, can't
even have a glass of wine at the Hotel Bar.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
I'll have time for it.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Lebron doesn't want to play with young guys. Katie didn't
want to play with young guys. Michael Jordan didn't want
to play with kids. Steph Draymont don't either. It's nobody's faults.
Steve Kurt doesn't want to coach him. Last night, Moody
was red hot fourth quarter, pulled him out one with
the old guys.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Steve doesn't want to coach young kids.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
It's understandable old stars don't want and don't generally.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Mesh with the young guys. They're past that stage.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Here was Charles Barkley last night on TNT on the
Fading Warriors.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
As I told y'all, this team is cooked. Y'all thought
I was crazy. They got away last year because Steph
went crazy in Game seven. Sacramento should have beat them.
They did two different things. No, no, I'm saying, and
with Candice point Steph, he gonna start slowing down too.
They got an old team. Everybody slows down. He looks
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like people forgot Last year. Sacramento went there, they was
like they gonna win Game six at home. Sacramento went
in there and kicked their butt. Then I said, man,
sacrament I picked him to win that series, but Steph
went crazy. He's not gonna be able to continue to
do that because those other guys aren't the same either.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
They're older.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
It doesn't end elegantly. Did you ever think in your life,
after watching twenty years of the Patriots dynasty, they would
be embarrassing because that's what they are now like they're embarrassing.
Belichick seems completely out of touch. Greg Popovitch got the
number one pick for a reason. They bottomed out. The
Bulls look so smartly run for years, and then they weren't.
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The Lakers are the biggest brand in the NBA. Post Kobe,
hard to watch. This is the way it was destined
to end. They'll have their moments, But winning a seven
game series over the Warriors, or excuse me, over the Nuggets,
over the Celtics, over the Bucks, over the Sixers, I
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don't see it, and right now, not over the Kings either.
All right, j Mac, you were a Sacramento Kings fan, Well,
you love Curry.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
I'm one of the biggest Curry fans on the internet.
I did tell you this team was getting old. And
now Chris Paul hurt last night.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Yep, it's like that's the way it is.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Yeah, nothing lasts forever. We know this, right, It's impossible
to stay on top.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
So you just got to enjoy it while it's there.
Those that Seahawk dynasty with Russell Wilson closed in like
three years. Yeah, we thought they were gonna be I
mean the way they beat Peyton manning the Super Bowl
and they should have won that one against the Patriots.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
You're like, this could be like a six year run.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
About a year later, injuries, players not getting along, niners
were good.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
You look up and you're like, yeah, all right, it's Ober. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
How about that Draymond turnover late? Huh, this is tough. Well,
you know they stay. They paid him a lot of
money in the offseason. Now getting a little old along
in the tooth, as they say.
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Speaker 1 (13:56):
That it is great to have you in a Wednesday.
Joel Klatt forty five minutes, OLA's spirited debate. Like j Mac,
I do not believe in Florida State out of here
backup quarterbacks see you. I want to talk Tom Brady,
though Tom Brady has a podcast, it's called Let's Go,
and he's doubling down on a criticism he has had
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where several people I've pushed back on it, and Alex
Smith at the other places pushed back on it. Alex
does a great job Brady doubling down on what he
believes is the erosion of the NFL.
Speaker 8 (14:31):
But I think the pro game is reflecting more of
what the college game is as opposed to the college
game reflecting what the pro game is. We're asking now
pro players to play college football, and that's the biggest difference.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
I see.
Speaker 8 (14:45):
This is way more checkers now than it is chess.
I tried to play chess. I wanted to have three
moves ahead of you all the times.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
But he had to.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
So everything for Brady, if you look at his career,
was actually uphill. He comes in as a sixth rounder,
has to prove himself. Defenses in that time period could
do more, could be more violent. He had a defensive
head coach and mostly a defensive culture, and the wide
receiver talent twenty years ago wasn't nearly as deep or
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as good as it is today. So Brady's superpower had
to be his brain. He also had to face all
time great defenses, the Seahawks, the Steelers, the Tampa Bay Bucks,
the Ravens. Nothing today compares to those. Some of it
is the rules were different, In fact, that's a lot
of it, and the culture was different. You were allowed
to do more. So Brady is the greatest chess player
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of all time. It is easier for quarterbacks today. The
rules lean in their favor. They get much better coaching
high school college. The coordinators now the head coaches that
are offensive, but give them far more options. It's far
more sophisticated. The tight end talent today compared to twenty
years ago, is insane. The wide receiver talent's insane. But
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here's where all pushback again with Tom. The best quarterbacks
in this league are overwhelmingly kids. Even Mahomes is twenty eight,
Burrows young, Herbert's young, Jalen Hurts as a baby, Lamar.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Trevor, Lawrence, C. J.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Stroud, Jay Mack thinks brought perties the next Dan Marino.
They're all kids. I mean, how many old guys make
an impact? Stafford hurt about every fourth week, Aaron Rodgers
hurt now, and Russell Wilson has been reborn. But it's
a young Quarterbacks League. Brady became a great chess player,
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and I would earmark going back his eighth year.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
He was thirty.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
That's Brady's eighth year, and there's interviews to acknowledge it.
He became the chess player. He'd seen great defenses, he'd
seen every coverage, he'd listened to Belichick.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
It was in his eighth year.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
I think these quarterbacks we have now will become chess players.
I think some of them are transitioning from checkers to chess.
Some are clearly playing checkers, one or two are close
to chess. But again, if you go look at Tom,
remember he played the mid forties. It was about thirty
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when not only did the light go on, but he
could manipulate defenses every time he went to the line
audible out of trouble, audible into productive yards. I think
it's really hard to be an NFL quarterback. For the record,
I think the talents better around quarterbacks, the coaching is better,
and the rules are better for them. But defensive players
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are also bigger, stronger, and faster than they've ever been,
so I think the young guys will get there. But
Tom is the greatest chess player of all time. There's
no doubt, but it takes it's time to master chess.
Even I can play checkers. J.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Mack with a.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
News this is the herd Line news.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
Brady's such a master. He picked like the perfect time
to come out with this hot take about the mediocre
because so many quarterbacks are hurt. You know, you see
some of these totals on games. It's like thirty three
for the Falcons and Jets of whatever the numbers are.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Well, there's four games this weekend, I think four maybe
five with a backup quarterback playing, and there's only a
couple of great Listen, football is as entertaining is the
quality of quarterback play?
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Last week?
Speaker 1 (18:34):
The best game Josh Allen Jalen hurts. Another game that
was wildly entertaining was Trevor Lawrence against C. J. Stroud, Right,
and then you look at games like the Giants and Patriots, Bears,
Vikings and it's unwatchable. Yeah, so the quarterback play is
really really important, and I do think we have seven
or eight Daks having his best year. I think we
have seven or eight and I have to include Dac
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this year. Really high end quarterbacks, I could argue is
playing more chess than he's ever played. I think Dak's
happened his best year. I think he's I always thought
Dak was good at the line of scrimma.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
He's staying on a lot of bad teams, but it is.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
But against Philadelphia, I think Dak is much more of
a chess player than he's ever been this year. And
I've never been a huge Dak fan, but I think
he's playing next level football.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
A lot of it has to do with the too
high safety. Look, people decided we're gonna go with that note,
We'll give you all the short stuff. Go ahead, drive
the length of the field. You're gonna make mistakes, and
everybody is. It's like you know in the NBA, everybody said, oh,
we got to move the three point line back or
change it because all anybody doing is threes or layups. Well,
all any defense now is doing is sitting back and saying,
go ahead, We'll give you what you want, no big plays.
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And it's kind of mucking up the game. But anyway,
so we'll dive deep into it later. How about the
matchup this weekend, the rematch Eagles Niners, Sanfran looking to
avenge that loss.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Thirty two million viewers. What do you make of it?
Thirty million viewers?
Speaker 1 (19:54):
I mean the college football game got nineteen million in Michigan,
Ohio state. A college football game got nineteen million. And
I think the Eagles bills you can look it up.
I think it got close to I got over twenty
five million. It may have gotten like twenty eight.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
This could get thirty thirty five.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Isn't that insane?
Speaker 4 (20:09):
Not really, This is a great matchup. I mean, these
are the best team.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
It's about linear TV is it's not working anymore. If
you can get a million people to watch a show
on the networks, it's a big deal. I have thirty
five million people watching football game, and there's multiple football
games on at the same time around the country.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
What you're saying around that urgency is that what it
is like, there's massive urgency.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
You have the two things that get ratings, It doesn't
matter if it's politics or sports. Is stars and urgency.
The NBA gives you stars. The NFL gives you stars
and urgency, very few dames. Scarcity of games, yeah, scarcity
so San Francisco, Philadelphia, Like, I don't even I'm turning
my phone off. You won't go to be I'm going
to be completely anti social for that game.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
Yeah, no text either, both.
Speaker 7 (20:52):
You know.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Nick Bosa spoke out this week saying that the rematch
aspect is a little bit overplayed.
Speaker 9 (20:58):
It's a huge game, obviously with the seeding and all that.
We're different teams this year, we're at different spots. They're
really good and if found ways to win this year,
it's just going to be another game, another game where
we have to execute. And I'm extremely confident this go around.
I was confident last year, but some things early in
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the game definitely hurt us. But we're just excited for
another opportoon.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
The addition of Chase Young is not being talked about.
It's a bigger deal than people are letting on another
pass rusher, another big body off the edge.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
So I like San Francisco.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
When the line came out. Now it's up to.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
Two and a half. Some places three, it's not the lasting.
When you see three, everybody then bets Eagles getting the
field goals.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Still like the Niners.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
I love the Niners. Here's my issue with the Eagles
right now. They're falling behind and struggling out of the gate. Colin,
what does San Francisco do better than anyone else in
the league. The scripted stuff. The best team opening the game,
they come down score, put you behind the eight ball. Listen,
we saw them against Dallas. Okay, put Dallas behind early,
just choked them out. Jacksonville, same deal, Pittsburgh, look up
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and down the schedule. When they get that early lead,
it's lights out because the path rush is unleashed. And
look at Philadelphia struggles lately calmed, they start slow.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Here's the thing for Philadelphia, though.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
If Philadelphia says to themselves, we're gonna play these guys again,
that's what Philadelphia is saying. We're gonna play these guys again.
And they come in they're a little healthier than us.
Not that you don't want to win the game, but
it's not the end of the world for the loser
of this matchup.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
That's one of the things.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
Put Philly's at home, in front of that home. They're
gonna be juiced up in Philly. It's gonna be a scene.
You don't want to be like.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
We'll get them later. No, no, I just it's one
of these things.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
I can't wait to watch it, but I feel like
this is the first of two fights.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
I would agree. You cannot overestimate extra rest for San Frean.
They played Thanksgiving night, Philly coming off an exhausting overtime
game following on Monday night. Like that to me is
everything like that alone has me on the Niners. So
the stat to watch though, Kyle Shanahan and thirty seven
when trailing by eight or more in the fourth quarter.
So if Philly can get the lead somehow, I don't
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see it happens.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
So Philly get big leads on anybody.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
That's a thing they come back for all the games,
all right. Next up Buffalo Bills heading into their bye
week at six and six. Tough loss to the Eagles.
Fourth time this season Buffalo has lost a fourth quarter lead.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Who's that on?
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Coach? Quarterback?
Speaker 3 (23:29):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
McDermott still believes the team can make the playoffs.
Speaker 10 (23:33):
Listen, no one's more frustrated.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Than I am.
Speaker 10 (23:36):
I can promise you that we're working hard at figuring
it out. You know, those are the things that we're
studying moving forward, and we know we'd rather have a
better recon than what we have, but we are who
we are, and the encouraging thing is everything all the
goals that we that we set for ourselves are still
within our reach.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
It's his tone changed a little. Is that fair?
Speaker 1 (24:02):
You think he was a little more dogmatic and territorial
early and now he's a little more apologetic. He's pulled
back the reins. And I think some of this. Remember
their defensive coordinator quit in the offseason. Weird, Okay, he
was kind of rubbed out by McDermott and the mistakes
for Josh Allen once again fire up. They fired the OC.
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So when coaches get his tone has changed, they fired
the OC.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
The DC left.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
It all points to the rigidity of Sean McDermott again.
The comp all use again as Chuck Knox, a legendary
coach who coached in Buffalo, LA and Seattle. I grew
up Chuck notch was as coach. He was a cleanup artist.
That's what McDermott is. Smart, guy, has the details. He's
not a visionary. He's you know, he's kind of a
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he's kind of a I think he was a high
school wrestler, tough guy, bottom line details. He's got a
very clear focus on what he wants and he's very
good at cleaning up the ma. Yes, where's the vision
that's what Sean Payton has McVeigh, Shanahan, Andy Reid, it's
the vision. Some coaches are clean up artists, but there's
no second gear. I don't see the second gear here.
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They can't build a consistently good run game six years in.
They'll watch what mcveigh's done with the old line in
the run game for the Rams this year with less talent.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Well, he's younger, he's an offensive guy. But how much
has this discussion changed if Josh Allen simply hits Gabe
Davis on that overtime pass gave Davis opening the end zone.
He ran the correct route Davis.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Okay, you know bost is a team that's more buttoned
up offensively. We don't have that discussion because they do
hit game Davis. They had ten penalties in the first half.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
That's bad. Bad.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
Producer adds here that the Bills are six and oer
coming out of by weeks under McDermott. That's a great sign,
right preparation. Coming out of the bye week, they go
to Kansas City, Colin.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Certainly a whenable games, certainly a wenable game. No, hey,
look at the schedule. There's a lot of wins there potentially.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
That's a winnable game.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Absolutely, I don't. I'm not saying they're going to wink.
I'm gonna say it's a winnable And then.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
After that they host Dallas. Now that that will be
Dallas going to cold Weather.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
That is not an easy schedule. Mahomes Herbert Dax. Well,
let's fuss Herbert out for now. Okay, we're done discussing
the Chargers. Okay, sorry, I know you've got a lot
of Chargers fans. I can't even stomach listening to them
on the air. That's saying being said. Three of those
final five games are tough. That Miami game in Miami
four tough? Who's the fourth Chargers top?
Speaker 4 (26:33):
No or tough?
Speaker 3 (26:34):
So if you lose three, okay, it's over.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
That's nine losses.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
They're not going to the playoffs. And I think McDermott
he's got to go, right.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
I think he's done a great job. He will also,
for the record, get another head coaching job because there's
seven teams a.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Year in this league that need to be cleaned up.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
I mean, when you got Guyer, a defensive guy, you
got to go grap.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
He got into the playoffs before Josh Allen. He got
Tyron Tanner to the playoffs. By the way, what you
don't want me at is chaos. Sean McDermott will end chaos.
When he comes in the building, he will clean it up.
Give him four or five years, you'll be a playoff team.
The question is, and this may be a handful of coaches,
does he have vision? Can he take you to the
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next step? That's the only The question isn't Is he
a good coach? Is he a smart guy?
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Check?
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Check?
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Is he detailed?
Speaker 5 (27:22):
Check?
Speaker 1 (27:23):
But he is not an offensive coach. There are limitations
on that side. So he is very dependent on getting
the OC right. He did for a couple of years
with Abel.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
Yeah, so it's not I'm saying McDermott couldn't if Dorsey
is out and they went and found another OC.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
I'm not saying they couldn't be much better next year.
But he is very reliant. Belichick wasn't reliant on an OC.
Charlie Wise, Josh McDaniels, Andy Reid is not reliant on
a defensive coach. On offensive coach those bags is good.
Shawn's very reliant on getting the OC right.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
My final story is we've talked about Mac Jones and
the Patriots All season long. He's been benched in four
of eleven games, which is crazy. Oh see, Bill O'Brien
is defending mac Jones. He's the one Colin saying I
don't think he's the number one guy to blame. If
you want to blame anybody, blame me, all right, Bill
Charger six point favorites in New English six.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
I like the Chargers. I know it's dangerous.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
So Albert Breer said something a couple of weeks ago,
and I was told this. I was texted this over
the weekend. So Albert Breer as a source, and I
have one, and they're saying the same thing. I think
what's really worn the Patriots out is what they thought
they were getting from Nick Saban, Nick and Belichick are close.
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Was a kid who made good decisions but was limited athletically.
That's what they thought they were getting. Saban said, he's
limited athletically, but he makes good decisions. And what they've
really been disappointed with this is what I was told
is he's actually a very poor decision maker.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
You've watched c. J. Stroud.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
He's obviously a quick thinker. He's a great quick decision maker,
like some guy's just quick. Herbert I think makes very
good quick decisions. Zach Wilson is not. Mac Jones does not.
They either don't see the field, it's cognitive whatever it
is is. I think the Patriots, I was told this weekend,
they are just really frustrated with what they view as
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like sub average decision making and they thought that was
the one thing they were getting and it turns out
he's not good at that or the athletic part.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
All I heard from Patriot stands is the reason they
stunk offensively last year was was it Matt Patricia was
the OC? We just got to get Bill O'Brien, and
the Bill O'Brien's in there. So is it the OC?
Is it the quarterback?
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Well, they're going to draft a quarterback. They are drafting
a quarterback bon Nicks probably Yes. By the way, bo
Nix is perfect, He's perfect.
Speaker 4 (29:57):
Hemming him as a checkdown Charlie, he started to drill
down on it. Incredible status here. I'm not saying is.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
He's a He's much more athletic than mac Jones.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
That's not disputable.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
I'm more athletic than that.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
He doesn't have a dad, bod he gets ripped, you
know what I mean. But he is ripped.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
He's got a zillion starts in college.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
He's very athletic. It's like c. J. Stroud and Justin Herbert.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
You don't notice in college sometimes they're being protected by
their coaches, and then you watch CJ. Stroud against Georgia
or Herbert against Wisconsin, and you're like, oh damn, but
these guys can move. Bo Nicks can move. So he's athletic.
He's cut up, he's accurate. He doesn't throw a great
deep ball to knock on him. He didn't throw a
ton over the top deep, didn't have a power arm.
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But he's like Mac Jones if he made better decisions
and was more athletic, with a lot more college starts.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
That's something. J Mack with the News.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
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Speaker 1 (30:56):
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Speaker 2 (31:07):
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Speaker 3 (31:30):
So here's a story breaking news.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Robert Sala, coach of the Jets, has announced the Jets
are opening a twenty one day window practice window for
Aaron Rodgers his potential return in the next three weeks.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
A twenty one day window.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
It's you know, it's part of the process, part of
the progress of his rehab. I think it would be
a gigantic mistake for Aaron Rodgers to play. I do
not believe Aaron Rodgers is going to play. I don't
think he'd be ready behind this wobbly offensive line to play.
I think it could be a career ender if he
gets hurt again. Can you imagine doing rehab back to back?
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Come on, never forget he got hurt like one that
the first series, fourth play. Yeah, he got hurt. This
wasn't like a tear because he was worn down. He
got four plays into this season, this on line and
got hurt. And I hear all this said, Well, you know,
it's different, you know, not married, no kids, He's got
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nothing but time. He can just do this rehab father time.
He's now what forty thirty nine to forty of an
achille surgery. This is a horrible decision. I wish him well.
But I've said this before and I'll say it again.
Aaron Rodgers, in my opinion, is not going to matter
at an elite level in the NFL. Again, there's younger.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Quarter backs there.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
They're better, They've got better offensive coaches, they have better offensive.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
Line, they have better weapons.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
I think Aaron is interesting to listen to him chatter
about a bunch of stuff. You know, he makes headlines
and he's good content for us. But when Brady left
for Tampa, that was not the end of Brady. When
Stafford went to Detroit, that was not the end of Stafford.
When Farv went to the Jets and then Minnesota, that
was not the end of Farv, although it was close.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Aaron.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
This injury to me, I don't see. I don't see
how they would be highly relevant next year. I think
the Bills go out and get a better offensive coordinator
and bounce back. Josh Allen's just too good. I think
Miami with McDaniel and Tua. They're not going anywhere, right,
They're not going anywhere. I think New England gets a
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competent quarterback and gets better. Mahomes is going nowhere. Joe
Burrow comes back, Lamar and Harbaugh and that group are excellent.
You know, Pittsburgh's always going to be a factor again.
Jacksonville's not getting worse, Jay Stroud, Houston now is a
real player. The Chargers. They may get Hardbaugh, they may
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get a coach like that. Everybody thinks is the guy. Denver,
Russell Wilson are solved. I mean, this was the year.
I can argue this was the year to do it.
The Bills end of last year, this year dubtailed. Burrow
gets hurt, Herbert doesn't have the right coach. Jacksonville feels
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like they're close, but not right there yet. Kansas City
crossing their fingers that Rashi Rice is a number one,
but they're a bunch of kids at receiver. This is
the year to win in the AFC. This was the year.
This was the opportunity. And by the way, this is
timing is this is you know, this is the way
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life works, right. It's a lot of timing is a
lot of success and there are just time. I mean,
Phil Mickelson is one of the all time great golfers.
His prime was right around tiger Woods prime. By the way,
Loan Stockton, Jerry Sloan the coach. Those Jazz teams were excellent.
But Michael Jordan was in his prime. So there are
(35:07):
there are times when people are I mean fantastic and
Aaron still got it. But this offense, you could argue,
needs four new offensive linemen. They need another receiver, they
got to get out of the Allenzar deal. They need
to upgrade at tight end. I love Bryce Hall, I
like Elijah Vera Tucker when he's healthy. I think Garrett
(35:27):
Wilson's exceptional. But this offense needs a lot of work.
And my take is you probably got a trade like
a Sauce Gardner or an elite piece to upgrade positions
and not just have draft picks. But I believe this
was the year in the AFC between the Burrough injury
the erosion of Buffalo. Buffalo's with Josh Allen is going
(35:48):
to be around for like seven eight more years of
good football. McDermott tends to be highly dependent on the
right offensive coordinator. That's okay, that's okay some coaches. By
the way, Sean McVay is doing much better this year
because Raheem Morris is a great young defensive coordinator.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
He's terrific.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
And by the way, the Niners defense was better last
year with the Meg Ryan than Steve Wilkes. It appears
this year that's where they go, get Chase Young. I mean,
sometimes you're dependent on the right coordinator. I think the
Jets now have to make a decision on Nat Hackett,
like a grown up decision. But last week Alan Lazard
was a did not participate a healthy scratch. So that
(36:29):
feels like the Jets are going to take back the franchise,
probably move off Lazard, get a new OC, make some
decisions based on the future of the franchise and not
just appeasing Eron. But I don't think it's a hot
take and I don't think it's anti Aeron. I think
the Jets with Aaron will be very, very fun next
year and they'll be a good team. But you can't
(36:50):
deny the AFC. It was not wide open last year.
Burrow at the end was on fire, Allen was playing well,
Mahomes was playing great. I mean Lamar Jackson was her,
but Herbert was putting up another big year, and we
hadn't sold all our stock on Brandon Staley yet. Like
it would last year, Like the there it was, it
(37:10):
was a tough wall to get through. This year you
had a lot even Mahomes went three games. He couldn't
score in the second half, couldn't score a point. So
this this year was wide open and Aaron should not play.
Speaker 4 (37:24):
Can I ask you something? So if you look back
to the Brett Farv Mangini year FARV, you know Woody
Johnson was hot for Farv, brings in Farv, they go,
they start great, and then it falls apart. Do you
remember what happened next Colin? They moved off of Farv
it was obviously not working, and they drafted Mark Sanchez
y in top six pick or whatever, instantly to the
(37:45):
AFC Championship twice in a row. They got a younger
quarterback and they switched things quickly. What's the percentage chance?
Woody Johnson and company, say, Boy Hackett Lazard, this was
a disaster. Rogers hurt, I'm done, Let's move on, Let's
not bring Rogers back, and let's draft the quarterback at
the top, So let's try to just reboot.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
There are the Jets in the mock draft today, are
They're eight?
Speaker 1 (38:10):
So if they keep losing and they finish six, that
means they'll get one of the great left tackles. Here's
my question. They'll get one of the great left tackles,
which is number one. Trade Sauce Gardner for a first rounder, five, six,
seven picks later, get Panix, get Jaden Daniels from LSU.
(38:34):
I'm just saying, how is that gonna go over with Rogers?
Because Wood he was hot, he took the private jet
to go see him, and like recruiting him, you like
to say, when it's not working, move off of it,
don't waste time. Does he have the intestinal fortitude? No,
Aaron would not like that, but my voice being honest, Like,
your first pick is left tackle. So if they if
the Jets keep losing and end up six, they're gonna
(38:56):
get arguably the best left tackle or an unbelievable time.
So Aaron would have to be happy with that. What
I'm saying is, do you move off Sauce and get
the future quarterback? I think it's very viable. Listen, if
you can get the left tackle, the offense will be
better immediately because you'll have better protection for Aaron.
Speaker 4 (39:14):
I'm saying, do you consider moving off Aaron runs.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
I don't think it's the craziest thing in the world.
I don't think it'll happen. But do I believe they've
ever had a coffee and discuss it upstairs? Probably? I
mean last week Lazard healthy, didn't play.
Speaker 4 (39:31):
Hackett's been a train wreck, Cobb nothing, Hardman already gone.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
But I'm just saying is.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
I'm not predicting it's gonna happen, But somebody told me
something years ago that corporations decide to move off you
six to nine months before they move off you, they
raise hands upstairs. Do I believe they're going Lizard's a
miss Hacket's a miss Randall, Cobb's not productive?
Speaker 4 (39:57):
Hey, Dalvin Cook? Did he have anything to do with that?
He recruited Dalvin Cook?
Speaker 5 (40:01):
Right?
Speaker 4 (40:01):
Well, I mean Dalvin Cook went from like a top
five six running back to what does he do with
yes two hundred yard rush.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
There's no way in the world they would have brought
Dalvin Cook in without Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
Like when Lebron goes somewhere and he calls the shots.
Things usually work out, I mean, wins titles Miami. It
goes back to Cleveland Lakers. Aaron Rodgers goes to the Jets,
called the shots, and what has worked?
Speaker 1 (40:23):
Give me one thing? Colin the defense. That's why I
wouldn't fire.
Speaker 4 (40:27):
He had nothing to do with that.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Ye, No, that's why I think Robert Sala. I would
not fire Robert. Robert Sala has proven, unlike Brandon Staley,
has proven he knows his side of the ball. His
side of the ball is excellent. They're just worn down
from being on the field all the time. But again,
nobody's saying this is going to happen. But this was
the year in the AFC where Kansas City is literally
went three weeks with Patrick Mahome. Andy Reid couldn't score
(40:52):
a point in the second half, not a point. Buffalo
circles to drain Burrows, hurt Herbert. Now that thing's a mess.
By the way, Russell Wilson and Sean Payton next year
are going to start in a much better place than
they did, So that's going to be a viable playoff team.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
To your point, do you know who seven in the
AFC is right now the Indianapolis Colts with a rookie
coach and Gardner Minshew and we both.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
Love psyching Shane Stalling is he is great. And also
Anthony Richardson was wildly dynamic when he played.
Speaker 4 (41:24):
This is bad now and now when you put it
in contact like that, like this is the year jets there,
I have to scroll down a little bit. They're fifteen
of sixteen in the AFC.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Currently, get a left tackle, sell Sauce Gardner, get another
pick and try it. Pick fifteen sixteen to get Michael Pennox.
By the way, they don't have to play better, serve
to sit behind Aaron for a year anyway.
Speaker 4 (41:49):
Aaron's gonna love that, just like the way they drafted
Jordan Love. Actually, no, didn't that drive him to win
the MVP or something because he was so angry.
Speaker 3 (41:56):
I'm just spitting facts here, folks. It's fun.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
I have no Agena. Joel claps around the corner. Hour
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