November 13, 2023 • 40 mins
Colin tells you why he was right about the Cowboys and wrong about Jim Harbaugh
Super Bowl Champion James Jones joins the show in studio to tell Colin what the big problem the Chargers are having as they fall below .500 and outside the playoff picture in the AFC
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Here we go at tour two. We're loaded today live
in Los Angeles. HiT's the Herd. Wherever you may be
and however you may be listening. Thanks for my good
that's part of your day. Certainly appreciate it. Lot and
lots and choices out there. You know, I thought yesterday
was going to be so boring, cause on Saturday I
ended up watching Michigan Penn State and Utah Washington. They
were both fantastic. One looked like nineteen seventy seven football,
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so who cares? Who cares? Michigan didn't pass in the
second half, looked like nineteen to eighty seven. I went
and listened to Aerosmith, I went to Blockbuster and run
at Beverly Hills cop I had a great time. Then
Utah Washington was fantastic. So that's the games. I watched,
and then Sunday, I was like, low expectation Sunday, and
the first window was crazy Cincinnati and Houston and Cleveland
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and the Ravens and it was like the game I
thought would be great was awful. And then in the
second window and I'm like, eh, boy, what we knew
the Cowboys would win whatever, But Arizona Atlanta was fascinating,
and the Chargers Detroit was just great football. And then
even last night, which I didn't even want to watch it,
I just it was a hate watch toss and I'm
sitting there knowing you're there, and it was like, I
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will say this, though, there's something about the Raiders that
I like, there's something about their brand and their fans,
and they're loose and they're uncomfortable, and it was just
sort of fun watching the raidar interim GM interim coach,
backup quarterback. I mean, they should be just bailing water.
And look at the Raiders record today.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
I think I saw five games decided by a last
second field goal.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
It was great.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
I mean, the NFL just does parody so well that
every Sunday is interesting as hell.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Yeah, I thought it was just going to be an
awful early window.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
It never cost any money. Thank thankful, Dallas bailed us
out with a no sweat coup.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
All right, Colin right, Colin wrong? On a Monday, Here
we go where Colin was right. Easiest money in the league. Bet.
Dallas is a big home favorite. They won a home
game against an awful team. It's what they do. Dak
is great when he's comfortable. Dak is great playing with
e Leade. Dak's had a heck of a year. But
this really is what Dallas is. This defines them. They
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are a great home favorite. And by the way, I'm
not blaming them. New England in their dynasty was a
great home favorite. But you get two Dallas teams. This
is the one you can set your clock to every weekend.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Mac Jones, I have defended him for two years after
his rookie year. His judgment has regressed. I mean still,
he never had a great arm a Brady. They never
really mobile either was Peyton Manning. I don't need that
to win games. His decision making, He's tied for the
most picks in the NFL, and again they don't have
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much to work with. Everybody's past their prime. None of
their receivers can separate. I never thought he would just
be a backup. After that rookie season, I'm like, oh,
that's a starter in this league. They're not a top
five guy. It's a starter. Now he's a backup at
this point in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Where Colin was right?
Speaker 1 (03:22):
How many times if I defended Kyler Murray. He makes
plays to win games. He got this franchise to the playoffs.
He's the one quarterback if they had the number one
or two pick. I think you have to pause for
a second before going to this big prospect in college football.
Kyler Murray makes winning plays. You can build around Kyler Murray. Yeah,
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I wish he was three inches taller. I wish he was.
I wish he was six ' three. He's not, but
you'll all defend him forever. That kid has taken a
wobbly franchise in a tough division with great coaches to
the playoffs. He is a special player.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Trevor Lawrence looked, he looked like Mac Jones. He looked
completely overwhelmed. And again, the Niners are stacked. But that
was and I'm a huge fan, but no, TD's silly mistakes.
That's a bad turnover. And Trevor's a smart kid that
he played some dumb football. And again, when your offensive
line can't block, it's amazing how good an athlete can
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be and how bad he can look. But you know,
I'm a huge Trevor Lawrence fan, and that was ugly
where Colin was right one touchdown pass in twenty one games.
I've said this about Zach Wilson and the Jets before.
He's gonna pull down Robert Sala, He's gonna pull down
the GM. He's gonna put Aaron Rodgers in bad positions.
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Didn't like him coming out of college. I mean that throw.
Can't make that throw. Come on, you've been in this
league a long time. Can't make that throw. It wasn't
a great play with a lineback her catching the ball
and reacting to an obvious stare down the receiver throw.
Zach Wilson said him, not your guy. He's now pulling
down Sala, who everybody wants fired this.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Morning, where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
I cannot believe the Big Ten suspended Jim Harball from
the sidelines as he was flying to the game. I'm
not saying they don't deserve something. But I cannot believe
how punitive and how reactionary the Big Ten has gotten
with Harball. You know, I've defended him for years, and
I know I've had people reach out. He's not for everybody.
He can be difficult. Give me the great college coach
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that didn't have enemies Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, Dabo Sweeney,
Woody Hayes, Barry Sweitzer, Jimmy Johnson, even Pete Carroll. Every
great college coach has people that don't like him. But
the reaction by the Big Ten was literally shocking to me.
To literally defend him or suspend him flying to a
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road game. That is outrageous to me.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Been pushing back for two years on Brandon Staley. What
is he? What does he believe in? What are the
Chargers good at? Defensively? I just think he's over his head.
I've seen companies do this before, where they hire somebody
because they went to an IVY League school. Yeah, so
are they street smart? Do they understand the business. I'll
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just ask you. My question, ohas to the Chargers, is
if this is a defensive coach, why aren't defensive players
getting better? What do the Chargers do well consistently. You
got to give me something. I'm not here to fire coaches.
You've got to get better at something year to year.
Where Colin was right, I said the Sixers would be
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better without Harden. The Clippers would be a circus. They
are now officially oh and four with James Harden. Can
you imagine Steph Curry ever saying out loud, I am
the system even if he believed that he wouldn't say it.
Harden views himself as really the shot maker and shot
taker in crisis. The media often confuses assists with a
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great leader. Westbrook has more career assists per game than Lebron.
Is he a better leader? James Harden is poison for
winning in crisis minus nine to six with him on
the floor, zero to four without him. Colin Wright, Colin wrong.
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On a Monday, a Monday with a lot of interesting stuff.
With that, we bring in the Super Bowl champ, the
former Packer. We love him. James Jones, nine years in
the NFL, is joining us on a Monday in what
we thought would be a boring Monday. And the one
game we thought would be great was the only truly
boring game of the weekend, which was Jacksonville and San Francisco.
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When you watch that game, and I thought to myself,
first of all, you'd have to go back to almost
the Steelers of the seventies where there was a hall
of fame in every unit.
Speaker 5 (08:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
I looked at Jacksonville and how they beat Dallas and
how they beat Pittsburgh and how they beat the Jags,
and it's almost like the Tyson quality, like good fighters
are intimidated. Like did you ever play a team when
you thought James and you and you may have had
your way, but you thought, oh, they have significantly better
players than we do.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
The Niners.
Speaker 6 (08:22):
Yeah, I played against those Niners team with LaVar Bowman,
Patrick Willis, DeShawn Golds and Whittner, Carlos Carlos Rogers on
the others on the on the corner, but just the
big time defense, all the Smith justin Smith, mod Brooks
like that. So you know, I knew, like, hey, we
got in Rogers, we got five receivers that could Goldonald Driver,
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Greg Jennings, myself, Jordan Nelson, Randall Cobb. But those boys
was a little different. And I'm like, man, these and
they got after us. Really almost every time except once.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Yeah, no, and then and then at one point didn't
they add Kaepernick so he could run?
Speaker 6 (08:59):
Ye beat us in the playoffs we ran for three
hundred and ninety seven yards. So yeah, I played against
some really good forty nine ers.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
For the record. That happens in college football all the time.
But when you have Deebo and McCaffrey and Kittle and
Ayuk and Trent Williams, Brock doesn't have to do a.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
Lot, No, not at all.
Speaker 6 (09:19):
And I think it's the fit too, Like each one
of those guys fits something different. You know, Deebo, Samuel's
your guy that you are going to give these screen
passes to wear a throw it two yards, he could
take it thirty yards.
Speaker 5 (09:31):
That's a quarterback's best friend.
Speaker 6 (09:32):
Brandon Ayuk is one of the best route runners in
the National Football League. So third and five Kyle Shannon
is able to create some routes for Brandon Ayuk to
get one on one on these corners. A really good
route runner. And then the same with George Kittle. Just
a mismatch problem for a lot of people. If it's
a linebacker, they're too slow. If it's a corner he's
too small. So being able to get these guys in
different matchups, I just think all of it fits together
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so well. And then obviously you got McCaffrey in the
backfield running the football, catching the football. That makes it
super super easy on a quarterback to where you don't
really have to take chances if you don't want to,
because the chance that you've taken is a two yard
pass and you could take it thirty and you looking
like a really good quarterback.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
So you didn't have a lot of this in your
career where you went to practice and knew a quarterback
was overwhelmed. But you did have two quarterbacks and a
young Aaron Rodgers where you knew instantly. Listen, c J. Stroud,
it's not just that he's completing passes. If you look
at his and this is a big one, his numbers
trailing in the fourth quarter, his passer ratings in the hundreds.
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Did you know, and like Aaron Rodgers, there was talk
about c J. Stroud in the preseason. There was also
talking Dak in the preseason. His first preseason. People were like, yeah,
like he's a leader, Like this guy's going to run
the franchise. Did you know where Aaron when I watched CJ. Stroud.
They must have seen this at camp. Did you see
it at Aaron and camp?
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (10:50):
And I think that's the big thing. When I watched CJ. Stroud,
I don't care anything about the stats. I'm right here,
I'm looking with my own two eyes, and the kid
is absolutely special. The game is extremely slow to him,
and he is a rookie. He's making plays with his legs,
he's making plays with his arms. He's running out of
the pocket, extending plays, making plays with his arm. Like,
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I don't think he is going to make a bad
play when the football is in his hands. And that's
the same way I felt about Aaron Rodgers. I'm like,
whenever Aaron touches it, Aaron's gonna make the right play.
I don't care whether even if he throw a pick
the very next time he touched it, I'm like, he
gonna make the right play.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
That's that's c J. Stroud.
Speaker 6 (11:26):
And then from that standpoint, when Brett Favre moved on,
everybody's like, what are you.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
Guys gonna do?
Speaker 6 (11:32):
And we all looking like we're just fine because we've
seen Aaron Rodgers in practice, We've seen how he throws
the football. We've seen the flick of the wrists. We've
seen how cool and comedy was. He didn't even have
to play a game. We're like, we're gonna be just fine. Now,
we didn't know four time MVP and all this type stuff,
but we knew he was gonna be special.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
When you look at CJ. Stroud, c J.
Speaker 6 (11:50):
Stroud is taking his league by storm, and the kid
is special. And I mean he's playing against big time
quarterbacks too, and he the best quarterback on the field.
Speaker 5 (11:58):
He's making it look well. Well.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
One of the things that you hear this and it
sounds I don't know what it is. Maybe it's innate,
but there are people that make quick decisions like Burrow.
Mahomes is the fastest I've ever seen, even faster than
Brady Patrick sees something balls out of his When you
watch Burrow and c J. Stroud, and I don't know
if there's a better term. Those are quick processors like CJ.
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Rarely pump fakes like Seafield deliver a couple times yesterday
he pumped Well that's OK. You saw one of those highlights.
But there is something and I think it's like, like
I can watch it. Kenny Pickett and go like, that's
not it.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
No, no, by the way, Jordan Love, Yeah, he.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Made some nice throws, but I can see that's not
it when I watch Stroud and Burrow next to him.
Some guys just see. I mean, you played with guys
who see the game and then guys who play it
and don't think it.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
Yeah. And when I watched CJ.
Speaker 6 (12:51):
Stroud, and obviously when you watch Joe Burrow, I played
with some great ones in Aaron Rodgers and Brett Favre.
And it's pre snap like these these these guys, these
quarterbacks know exactly where they're going with the ball pre snap,
and you can roll to a certain coverage at the snap.
That's why a lot of these quarterbacks use the double
count nowadays, because you want to see what the defense
is rolling into. But when you watch CJ. Stroud play, CJ.
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Stroud is playing like one of these veteran quarterbacks. He
sees it before it's even happening, so he knows exactly
where he's going with the football. The most impressive thing
is he knows exactly where the guys are when it's
scrambled drill, when he's escaping the pocket. You've seen a
couple throws yesterday to where he's spinning around there and
he knows exactly the concept that these receivers are running,
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and I know what area they're supposed to be in,
and he's making superstar throws and it's impressive to watch.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
So Zach Wilson, who I think is somebody that doesn't
see the field as well, for whatever reasons, he can
be tentative. So my takeaway is there are moments Brandon Staley, Chargers,
it's time to put a new coach in control, because
I think you've lost the room. I do think with
the Jets now, the entire organization with the Jets is
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the coach, the GM players constantly defending the quarterback. You're
wasting your energy. To me, this is not a playoff
team is currently constituted. I would go to the backup
to the backup. Am I wrong? I think you lose
the room.
Speaker 5 (14:15):
Oh man.
Speaker 6 (14:15):
I don't think the backup to the backup is better
than Zach Wilson's That's my humble opinion. If the backup
to the backup was better than Zach Wilson, Zach Wilson
would have been out a long time ago. So I
think Zach Wilson is truly their best option that they
have over there, you know, at the New York Jets,
because Aaron Rodgers is hurt, and that's why they're.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
Holding on so long.
Speaker 6 (14:36):
I don't think it has anything to do with him
being the number two overall pick, first round pick. I
think those guys behind him are not better than him.
So you're basically getting worse if you put those guys
in the game. Even though it could be a different
mojo to the world, were trying to help this team.
They're not better than Zack Wilson. That's why Zack Wilson
is still in the game. But you're absolutely right. The
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kid is not seeing the game the right way. He
seeds one side of the field steal. I mean he
was staring down a lot of receivers last night.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
You know, a buddy of mine, John Middlkoff, a former
NFL scout, told me last night, he goes, go to
the COVID year, Go look at the quarterbacks who got
drafted due to the COVID year. Zach was one of them.
Trey Lance was one of them. Go back to that year.
I think Mac Jones may have been one of them.
Is the COVID year. A lot of teams, even like
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good programs like Michigan kind of bailed. They were kind
of like, it's just a reset year. We're going to
change the staff. That COVID year when guys were playing
weaker schedules, lesser schedules. It fooled a lot of scouts.
Teams didn't practice as much, he didn't travel with as
many people, and I kind of look at this quarterback
class and I'm like, yeah, I just I don't think
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it works. Now, I want to ask you about Brandon Staley.
There's a bit some guys are smart. I've seen this
with politicians, but they're not presidents, they're vps. The smartest
guy in the room doesn't necessarily isn't necessarily the best.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
Leader, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
I don't doubt Brandon Staley's smart, but there is a
disconnect between him and his side of the ball. Have
you ever experienced this in your life where you love
to coach on staffs intelligence, Yeah, but it didn't translate,
no question.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
And I've been around coaches who interview extremely well, say
all the right things to get the job, but they
are not leader of men, point blank period. You can't
lead a whole team. Are you a great position coach, absolutely?
Are you a great coordinator, absolutely? But when you come
to leading a whole group of men, it's some coaches
that cannot get that done. Brandon Staley is a defensive
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minded coach. Your team gave up forty one points yesterday
and they're terrible on thirty. Your team has blown so
many leads, and you're a defensive minded coach. And you
have all pro players. You have Khalil Mack, you got Bolson,
you got Derwin James, you got Samuel Like you have
all pro players, players that play at a really, really
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high level. And you mean to tell me that you
can't go out there and stop people. I mean, and
this was just yesterday. I mean, I know we can
bring up all the numbers on how bad this defense
is being, but come on, you got you gotta start
with your side of the football and stop somebody to
be able to help your young quarterback out. Your young
quarterbacks wing thirty eight points still find a ways to lose.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Do you think players in the room know it? Well?
Speaker 6 (17:21):
Yeah, I mean you heard when when Austin Eckler came
out and said, you know what we what was something
on the lines of what we're gonna do here, our
coach ain't nothing we can do that. Let me know
right there, the locker room's gone. The locker room's gone
number one. And let me know, I played with defensive
minded coaches. They not even in the offensive meetings. You
don't even talk to the to the defensive coach. He
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comes into the team meeting, he says whatever he has
to say, and he goes to defense. You are dealing
with a whole bunch of different coaches. And that was
your response about Brandon Staley.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
If it was.
Speaker 6 (17:52):
Derwin James or Khalil Mack or Joey Bosa who's dealing
with him every day he's in the install meetings in order,
that's something else.
Speaker 5 (17:59):
But to hear that from I mean in the locker room,
that this.
Speaker 6 (18:01):
Talk is going on right between the offensive players and
the defensive players and everybody saying, man, he don't know
what he doing.
Speaker 5 (18:08):
And that's the response you got from an offensive player.
Speaker 6 (18:10):
So you know, obviously, I don't think they're gonna make
the playoffs, and I think all those guys are gonna
be out of there. I think the Chargers is gonna
have to, you know, gut this whole thing out.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Okay, we would be remiss if we did not ask
you about Jordan Love. A couple of big throws down,
he'd made a nice throw to the corner.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
He did, he did, he had. He had a couple
of good throws yesterday.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
A couple of pecks. Where are you with Jordan Love?
Speaker 5 (18:34):
I just need consistency. You know.
Speaker 6 (18:36):
You see a lot of good throws from a lot
of these young quarterbacks. Kenny Pickett is six and three.
He makes two throws a game, you know, but those
two throws a game win the game, and everybody talks
about how he's come brings this team back and most
comeback since Josh Allen and all they makes two throws
a game. So for Jordan Love, I just need to
see more consistency, you know, throwing the football. We see
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the arm talent, We see that he could make these throws.
But for him, I want the game to slow down
for him. We talked about c. J. Stroud how the
game looks extremely slow. It still looks fast to Jordan
Love at times, and I just need it. I just
needed to slow down for him, especially with him being
in you know, is his third year.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
I need to see it slow down. I just need
to see him be more consistent.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
I said this earlier. You played with the dysfunctional Raiders,
and that kind of sums up their organization. They got
an interim coach, an interim GM, a backup quarterback. I
don't know what it is, yeah, but I like and
then he makes fun of me. The whole staff does,
Max Crosby, Davante, Adams, Jacobs, Colton Miller, Hunter, Renfro Dude,
I see, I'm I see talent here.
Speaker 5 (19:37):
They got a lot of talent.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Can you think so too? I know so be cause
you're you're you're. I mean, you tell me last night.
Does does Pierce have a shot to get this gig?
Speaker 5 (19:46):
I believe so.
Speaker 6 (19:48):
If if Mark Davis listens to these players, he's going
to be the next Raiders head coach, point blank period.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
I don't care if he wins another game.
Speaker 6 (19:54):
I think what he's I think the respect that he
has of these players and the confidence that he reads
in them, and just you see how the dudes is
playing for him.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
Like you hear a lot of.
Speaker 6 (20:05):
These dudes talk there like I don't want to let
my coach down. You don't really hear too many players
saying that about head coaches. We heard, like we just
talked about Austin Eckler. You don't really hear too many
players saying that. But you know he knows these players.
You know, he loves these players. Even yesterday watching the game,
it was they got a hold the Raiders got it
was a holding penalty on the Jets and it was
like third and four and it was a holding penalty
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and backed them up to third and fourteen instead of
fourth and four. And Antonio was thinking about punting the ball,
I mean, just declining in the penalty so they could
punt the ball fourth and four.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
And Marcus Peters was like, back them up, coach, you know,
back them up. Make it.
Speaker 6 (20:41):
Make it third and fourteen fifteen, you know what I mean,
say some yards.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
He was like, you better make can tackle then, right,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (20:47):
But that's a coach, that's a player's coach that could
get the best out of his players. Like, if you're
telling me to take this penalty, you better make the tackle.
And you see that through the whole locker room. You
see that through the whole team.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Funny.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
Yeah, And even when you watch Davonte.
Speaker 6 (21:00):
Since Antonio's got here, his stats has not changed, right,
but he has bought into what Antonio Pierce is doing.
Speaker 5 (21:06):
And I think Antonio Piers has a really good change.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
I've known Antonio for a long time. Good dude, totally
committed to football, you know. And there's something about this.
He's got a Dan Campbell quality. He and Vrabel's got this,
and Tomlin has this. There is a presence like you
wouldn't want to not only tick him off. I always
say this, Joe Toy, the baseball manager, is like the
step dad. You'd never want to disappointment. Like he's like, oh,
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grand there's this grandfather. Antonio's got this thing where it's
like he cares so much about it, you'd feel horrible
letting him down.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
And that's how these boys are playing. And when you
watch him, you hear him talk that that is how
they are playing. Yeah, they do not want to let
him down. The mojo is different in there. I mean
Antonio Pierce came in there and got the job. He
sat down with all the workers in the building, you know,
he sat down with them like, man, I see you
guys walk in here.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
You're smiling.
Speaker 6 (21:58):
You got your headphones on and the right when you
hit the right when you walk into the building. I
don't see them smiles no more, you know what I'm saying.
Like he met with those type people like, man, hey
we play a game. You should walk in this building,
smile on your face, joy and all that. So he's
really changed just the whole the whole building over there
and brought a whole lot more confidence, a lot more
swag and all that to the whole building, not even
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just the players.
Speaker 5 (22:19):
So you know the young does.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
These young kids over here, like j Max, he's in
his twenties, they don't understand how great the Raiders were
in the seventies eighties. This brand was somebody. I'm a
West Coast kid. You watched the Raiders. Every every old
guy will listen to me and remember this. The sun
would be going down in the stadium and it was
like Raiders, Steelers and John Shula's a Dolphins. I mean
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it felt like thirty years of that the Raiders. And
they were always loose. They had too many penalties, they
were inappropriate the court. I mean it was like if
you went into the locker room, they'd be smoking. There's
something about the Raiders as a West Coast fan, and
maybe it feels this way in the East Coast for certain,
you know, Red Sox or whatever. But as a West
Coast person, I remember as a kid when we got
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the Seahawks in the seventies as an expansion team, all
we cared about was beating the Raiders. And for the record,
Jim Zorn was our quarterback and we used to give
the Raiders fits. We could go one in thirteen at
the time, fourteen games if you beat the Raiders. So
I don't know what it is, but you now work
for the organization. I just want him to be prideful
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and heading in one direction.
Speaker 6 (23:29):
And that's the right man for the job right there.
Antonio Pears is the right man for the job. I mean,
you know he's from Compton. He a Raider through and through.
You know that was his team growing up, and that's
why you see him talking and coaching with that passion.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Yep, I didn't know that.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
Yeah, great seeing you man, Good to see you man.
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Are you on speak today?
Speaker 5 (23:46):
I am? I am.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
I'll be on speaking full day to day, full day
of work, not one of these fifteen minute hits. You
know what, I'm saying, I putting makeup on and.
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Speaker 1 (24:03):
All right, welcome back, good stuff. Today, we're gonna get
into de Shaun Watson. But first, j Max with the news.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Turn on the news. This is the Herdline News.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
So Jim Harball just met with the media within the
last ninety minutes talking about his suspension and uh, the
win over Penn State.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
I'm gonna let Jim Harbaugh take it away.
Speaker 8 (24:29):
Watching I would have to say, I mean, everybody, it's
got to be America's team. It's got to be America's team.
America America loves a team that that beats the odds,
beats the adversity, you know, overcomes with the naysayers and
you know, critics, so called experts think.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
That's my favorite kind of team.
Speaker 8 (24:52):
And yeah, watching it from from that view on the television,
it was finally people get to see what I see
every day, you know, and these players and these coaches.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
I don't know if he's trolling, but that's the greatest
speech in the history of college football. That's better than
the Gipper Newt rock mee, whoever made a big speech.
That's the greatest speech in the history of college football.
I want from now on the Gipper Newt Rockney may
have been the same guy who knows that second Hardball's
speech is now the speech. This should be America's team.
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He's right, by the way, that's how I felt. I
stood at Allegiance. I almost stood up watching that game Saturday.
I honestly I watched that game. I haven't felt that
way about a football team that I have no connection to.
They just said, we're not gonna pass the ball. We're
gonna win on our terms in your place. We're not
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even gonna We're not even gonna throw the ball. And
they just said, no, we're Michigan. And by the way,
they have a first round NFL quarterback. We're not even
gonna allow him to throw. What a great win for America.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Is this a political speech by Harball playing to his base?
Speaker 4 (26:03):
You know that's going to fire up all the.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Michigan fan doesn't play to their base and me the politicians,
And he.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Doesn't basically double middle fingering everybody else like I don't
care what you guys think.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
First of all, America's team, Michigan.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
This is gonna hit in like Ohio State and Texas
and sec.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Ohio State. Buckeye fans should be judgmental. Want to bring
up tattoo gate, want to bring up that coaching debacle
you had. I don't want to hear all the pristine
Buckeye fans.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
But this is good for business college football.
Speaker 5 (26:32):
This is it.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
This is listen.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
This is going to be a talking This is a
bigger talking point than anything on Monday Night Football, Broncos Bills.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
This is way better.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Jim Harbaugh just.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
Basically sticking it right to everybody. We're America's team.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Look what we're going through.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
All you pristine sports writers out there who wanted to
cancel college football when we had COVID, you know, you
guys are all living this precious life. This is real sports.
I think you should. I think part of what Harball
is doing is just trolling people. He's just he's got
that that little sly smile when he says it. But
I got to tell you something, I've never go blue.
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I've never been into Michigan. More than that, I've always
respected the program like a Texas. He has these big brands,
Notre Dame that I respect. So the idea of suspending
a coach as he flies in. Can I donate to Michigan?
Is that against my contract? Can I write a check
to the program?
Speaker 4 (27:23):
They have a tomato can this week and then they
play Ohio.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Don't say it. Maryland can score, they have to go
back on the road out east to his brother. Yeah,
I'm just going to tell you Maryland score.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
On the Michigan defense. Okay, good luck with that.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Well, it's a road game. You have to go, you
have to fly home, go all the way back. And
it's the game before Ohio State. So keep your eye.
I think what's the number right now? I'd keep your eye.
It's a danger spot for Michigan. I'm not joking, all right,
between the men State and Ohio State, whoever's there, if
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they can score, watch out.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Okay, let's go to the next story. College football. This
was the moment of Saturday. Watch this pick six by
the Washington player. Now here's where it gets interesting. You know,
he's coasting to the end zone and he just here
he is thirty twenty.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
He just literally just.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
Drops the ball inside the five look at that. The
worst part is Colin his teammates run past the football.
Speaker 5 (28:21):
They didn't even notice.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
I know, I'm so excited to celebrate this kid.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Linebacker Alfonso Tuputala seventy six yards Utah recovered the football.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Oh, I know. I was at that stadium three weeks ago.
I wanted to throw up.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
I feel so bad for this kid, Like I don't
he's gonna have to walk around campus holding a football
well to lunch, to class. He's not gonna be allowed
to let go the.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
End zones purple. You can figure out what it is.
What is he doing?
Speaker 4 (28:47):
I don't listen.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
I feel a little bad because he's a college kid
and his teammates so oblivious that they did not even notice, oh.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
The football.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Not blame his teammates, well, I mean they're not to blame,
but like they just missed it, like caught up with
the excitem column.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
That's that's not a great look. But Washington by the way,
Fox had Michigan, Fox had good games. Fox had my
two favorite games of the weekend. We have been on.
Fox has been on a tear in college football. I
think the nude kickoff is crushing. We have had so
many great games this year.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
Utah really pushed Washington in that game.
Speaker 5 (29:25):
They led it.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
I think at halftime seven Oregon ended up beating USC
late that was we're not I don't think we're talking
about it now, but you know we like Daniel Jeremiah.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
He's an NFL network. He had a comment on.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Social media about Caleb Williams, like, dude, chill with the
backyard football. We've been talking about this for weeks. Man,
he's got to sit in the pocket. I'm not off Caleb.
This is not a knock USC people.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
But it's a fair criticism that he is. That he
is seven on seven. He's doing some Thanksgiving with the
relative football.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
We know that doesn't work in the NFL. Like it's
a limited shelf life and that's how you get hurt.
Like I like Caleb.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
He's gonna be okay, but I need the Drake may discussion.
We had Drake May or Caleb.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
It's headed toward like a legitimate toss up. That's where
we'll be in the process. I'm not saying Drake's gonna
be better but Caleb.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
But I think that I'm a huge well and there's
been fair or not a lot of emotion. Crying in
the stands, the fingernail stuff, kind of pouting against the
Oregon State last year on the sidelines. There have been
some signs that you're saying to yourself, Okay, I can
paint a picture of a highly emotional player. Now I'm
not anti emotion, but I CJ. Stroud is like business.
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Burrow business, Herbert business. There are you know, Andrew Luck business.
There are gms. I've talked to him about this. They
like their quarterback to have a high EQ, which is
I don't need you to be a cheerleader. You can
pump a fist, but when you watch CJ. Stroud, it
is business. You watch Burrow, it is business. There there
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are people and this is I'm in the process. You
and I do this. We text sources, We text people.
There are those that are like, high emotion is not
great for my quarterback. I need you to be receivers.
There's a lot of players that play with great emotion.
I need you to bring it in.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
Even keel too high.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Troy Aigman was legendary for that. Troy a been played
with characters and personalities. You go to the sideline and
Troy would dog cust you bring it back about the team,
get a first down, compartmentalize. So it's a real thing
that I've heard now two people I trust say he's
high on the emotion. Bring it in. You are the franchise,
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you are the leader. By the way, Mahomes plays with
a lot of motion, and he's got Andy to pull
him back in when he gets a little backyard football,
which which Mahomes will do a couple times a year.
That's why Jalen hurts personality is literally Dak Prescott, Dak Prescott,
Jalen Hurts. Jalen Hurts has the perfect personality for a quarterback. Yeah,
(31:55):
it's just Peyton Manning was almost robotic. Herbert is almost
no emotion. I know it sounds crazy, but like Jalen
Hurt's personality is exactly what I want.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
Just shows up with the briefcase like it focused.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Let everybody else celebrate. You remember when the Villanovo won
the national title and Jay Wright his reaction the ball
up through the basket. He was like, all right, who's
got the defensive side. I don't want my coach as
a cheerleader, and I don't want my quarterback as one.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
I think showing emotion can be good.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
No no, no, pump up fist, no no, no, Tom Brady,
I get it. But there is something to be said
about when you get emotional. None of us, when we
get emotional, are rational. When you get emotional with your
kids with a team, you're crazy. I don't need my
quarterback to ever be out of control.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
One hundred percent agree. Final story, New York Jets.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
I guess we got to talk about the loss Zach
Wilson late interception. As you said, seven fourth quarter picks
leading the NFL. Oh, listen, some of that is because
they're always trailing and Zach's got to try to bail
him out. He missed a couple passes. I'll maintain he
was not off last time. I didn't think he was terrible.
He scrambled, stepped up in the pocket, made.
Speaker 5 (33:04):
Some nice places.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
Look at you, grimacing. Here's Zack Wilson after the elk.
Speaker 9 (33:08):
So much frustration. I don't know how to put it
any other way. I mean, I don't know if people
could see I was frustrated on the sideline in a
good way. I mean, it's it's a good thing to
be frustrated, But I mean the hard thing is, I
know everyone's battling, you know, these penalties aren't aren't like
anyone's not trying or you know, but we got to
find a way to be better there. You know, I
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know everyone's out there battling, but we got to find
a way to be to be better.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
He's a backup quarterback. You know, I don't know what
we expect. We got to have Zach Wilson win games
for us, like we're not doing that.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
So yeah, oh he misses sometimes badly.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
By the way, they have better players than the Raiders.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
Resall or Josh Jacobs, breeshol obviously Adam. It's close. It's close,
Carol Wilson.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
Is Max Crosby or anybody in your defensive fronts talking
about Okay.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Rocky's a little better, but then like two through six
or all Jets Soft Gardner.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Left tackle, Colton Miller or your entire line Colton Miller, Well,
the Jets.
Speaker 4 (34:15):
The Jetsu's like three backups that are starting. Man, It's
it's just I'm gonna say bad words, so I mute myself.
Speaker 7 (34:23):
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Speaker 3 (35:37):
Friday night, Prime Time comes to FS one as coach
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Speaker 1 (35:52):
I mean Colorado has sort of cooled off as a
program a little bit. Well, the hype trains scale back
a little.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Bit with they'll they're starting to look like Colorado, awful
team that Colorado was lesson.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Yeah. So not a big fan of Deshaun Watson or Cleveland,
and I think they'll unravel eventually. But you did see
glimpses yesterday of the old Deshaun Watson. Now we know
Cleveland's got Miles Garrett, good old line, nice weapons, never
got good players, but it's all contingent on Desaun Watson.
It's like the Jets can't make the throws you lose,
make the throws you win. So he had to go
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fourteen for fourteen in the second half to beat Baltimore,
a great team. But he's absolutely worth the money. Yeah,
I said it. He's worth the money if you can
win these big road divisional games. Mahomes is sixteen and
one on the road in his division. We never talk
about his money, Big Ben for years. Josh Allen right
now in Division Miami can't beat him home er away.
(36:46):
New England can't beat him usually, So if Deshaun Watson
can win big road games at Pittsburgh, at Baltimore, at Cincinnati.
I don't care about the money. I don't like the contract.
I would never guarantee a contract to a core in
Cleveland's Cleveland. But when you watch second half yesterday, money
becomes really it's no longer nobody talks about drop passes,
(37:09):
money or play calling. If you got the guy at quarterback,
and there were glimpses yesterday in the second half of
that guy, here's Kevin Stefanski.
Speaker 5 (37:20):
Well, he's a warrior.
Speaker 11 (37:22):
He battled through an ancle injury in the second half.
You know he's Uh, listen that the first one gets tip,
kid makes a great play.
Speaker 5 (37:31):
It is what it is. But uh, he'll get back.
We'll get better from that.
Speaker 11 (37:35):
But he's a warrior, makes plays when they're not there,
makes unbelievable throws, leeds his football team. Uh, there was
really never a doubt in his mind how this game
was gonna turn out.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
You saw it yesterday. How many games were go either
way games? Kyler Murray made plays. Jared Goff made plays, right.
C J. Stroud, Let's talk about him. Made plays when
you don't have a quarterback who makes plays late you
start talking about play calling and drop passes and officiating.
(38:09):
What's amazing about c J. Stroud And we can put
his numbers up this year He's first in many categories touchdowns, interceptions,
big plays, there's two and one. Really that jumps out
to me. How is he trailing? Nine touchdowns, no picks.
Baker Mayfield when leading and comfortable, looks really good, But
(38:30):
it's Mahomes, c J. Stroud, Joe Burrow when they're trailing.
Quarterback play it's not as linear as people want to
make it out to be. A lot of guys are
good off script. They're called stars. Almost all guys not
named Jordan Lover good on script in the first quarter,
(38:51):
But what are you trailing? Trailing with under two minutes left? CJ.
Stroud's passer rating is one twenty seven. He is the
anti mac Jones. He's the anti Zach Wilson. The big
winner is not just the Houston Texans or c J. Stroud.
Another big winner is the NFL. We have another great quarterback.
And here's what's interesting. There's three quarterbacks in my opinion,
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Andrew Luck, Justin Herbert, and c J. Stroud that midway
through their rookie year and not playing with much. We
all went WHOA, WHOA, what's that? The first nine starts.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
C J.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
Stroud has the third most passing yards ever. Number one's
Andrew Luck. Number two is justin Herbert. Herbert had a
terrible offensive line, Luck had a terrible everything. CJ. Stroud's
got a rookie everything. But he's really as good as
Herbert and Luck were in terms of productivity. They weren't
as good as c J. Stroud in crisis trailing late,
(39:53):
so you get productive and you get clutch. Some of
this is just innate. I don't know how you teach it.
I don't know how you teach the ability to be
calm in crisis. Here's c J.
Speaker 12 (40:06):
Stroud after I threw the interception. I think we got there,
scored and I let him know, man, I got your back.
Like I know, I made a mistake, but that one
player doesn't define me. And I'm gonna go, uh, I'm
gonna go prove myself again. They knew that it would
come down to the wire. We knew that too, and
I just want you Tomko let him know, man, I
got you, we go win this game. And he looked
me around the eyes, said I trust you. So it's
(40:28):
it's amazing to have trusting your head coach. And I'm
a rookie and in my OC Bobby Man like I
think Bobby. We need to give him his flowers. He
called a great game again, lean on his players and
took risk, and I appreciate him for even doing that.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
He's made Noah Brown a seventh rounder and Tank Dell
a third rounder. I mean, yesterday looked like Pro bowlers
when you got the right quarterback. Nobody's talking about the
refs and drop passes.
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Here we go at tour two. We're loaded today live
in Los Angeles. HiT's the Herd. Wherever you may be
and however you may be listening. Thanks for my good
that's part of your day. Certainly appreciate it. Lot and
lots and choices out there. You know, I thought yesterday
was going to be so boring, cause on Saturday I
ended up watching Michigan Penn State and Utah Washington. They
were both fantastic. One looked like nineteen seventy seven football,
(00:48):
so who cares? Who cares? Michigan didn't pass in the
second half, looked like nineteen to eighty seven. I went
and listened to Aerosmith, I went to Blockbuster and run
at Beverly Hills cop I had a great time. Then
Utah Washington was fantastic. So that's the games. I watched,
and then Sunday, I was like, low expectation Sunday, and
the first window was crazy Cincinnati and Houston and Cleveland
(01:10):
and the Ravens and it was like the game I
thought would be great was awful. And then in the
second window and I'm like, eh, boy, what we knew
the Cowboys would win whatever, But Arizona Atlanta was fascinating,
and the Chargers Detroit was just great football. And then
even last night, which I didn't even want to watch it,
I just it was a hate watch toss and I'm
sitting there knowing you're there, and it was like, I
(01:32):
will say this, though, there's something about the Raiders that
I like, there's something about their brand and their fans,
and they're loose and they're uncomfortable, and it was just
sort of fun watching the raidar interim GM interim coach,
backup quarterback. I mean, they should be just bailing water.
And look at the Raiders record today.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
I think I saw five games decided by a last
second field goal.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
It was great.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
I mean, the NFL just does parody so well that
every Sunday is interesting as hell.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Yeah, I thought it was just going to be an
awful early window.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
It never cost any money. Thank thankful, Dallas bailed us
out with a no sweat coup.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
All right, Colin right, Colin wrong? On a Monday, Here
we go where Colin was right. Easiest money in the league. Bet.
Dallas is a big home favorite. They won a home
game against an awful team. It's what they do. Dak
is great when he's comfortable. Dak is great playing with
e Leade. Dak's had a heck of a year. But
this really is what Dallas is. This defines them. They
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are a great home favorite. And by the way, I'm
not blaming them. New England in their dynasty was a
great home favorite. But you get two Dallas teams. This
is the one you can set your clock to every weekend.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Mac Jones, I have defended him for two years after
his rookie year. His judgment has regressed. I mean still,
he never had a great arm a Brady. They never
really mobile either was Peyton Manning. I don't need that
to win games. His decision making, He's tied for the
most picks in the NFL, and again they don't have
(03:06):
much to work with. Everybody's past their prime. None of
their receivers can separate. I never thought he would just
be a backup. After that rookie season, I'm like, oh,
that's a starter in this league. They're not a top
five guy. It's a starter. Now he's a backup at
this point in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Where Colin was right?
Speaker 1 (03:22):
How many times if I defended Kyler Murray. He makes
plays to win games. He got this franchise to the playoffs.
He's the one quarterback if they had the number one
or two pick. I think you have to pause for
a second before going to this big prospect in college football.
Kyler Murray makes winning plays. You can build around Kyler Murray. Yeah,
(03:45):
I wish he was three inches taller. I wish he was.
I wish he was six ' three. He's not, but
you'll all defend him forever. That kid has taken a
wobbly franchise in a tough division with great coaches to
the playoffs. He is a special player.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Trevor Lawrence looked, he looked like Mac Jones. He looked
completely overwhelmed. And again, the Niners are stacked. But that
was and I'm a huge fan, but no, TD's silly mistakes.
That's a bad turnover. And Trevor's a smart kid that
he played some dumb football. And again, when your offensive
line can't block, it's amazing how good an athlete can
(04:27):
be and how bad he can look. But you know,
I'm a huge Trevor Lawrence fan, and that was ugly
where Colin was right one touchdown pass in twenty one games.
I've said this about Zach Wilson and the Jets before.
He's gonna pull down Robert Sala, He's gonna pull down
the GM. He's gonna put Aaron Rodgers in bad positions.
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Didn't like him coming out of college. I mean that throw.
Can't make that throw. Come on, you've been in this
league a long time. Can't make that throw. It wasn't
a great play with a lineback her catching the ball
and reacting to an obvious stare down the receiver throw.
Zach Wilson said him, not your guy. He's now pulling
down Sala, who everybody wants fired this.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Morning, where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
I cannot believe the Big Ten suspended Jim Harball from
the sidelines as he was flying to the game. I'm
not saying they don't deserve something. But I cannot believe
how punitive and how reactionary the Big Ten has gotten
with Harball. You know, I've defended him for years, and
I know I've had people reach out. He's not for everybody.
He can be difficult. Give me the great college coach
(05:34):
that didn't have enemies Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, Dabo Sweeney,
Woody Hayes, Barry Sweitzer, Jimmy Johnson, even Pete Carroll. Every
great college coach has people that don't like him. But
the reaction by the Big Ten was literally shocking to me.
To literally defend him or suspend him flying to a
(05:57):
road game. That is outrageous to me.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Been pushing back for two years on Brandon Staley. What
is he? What does he believe in? What are the
Chargers good at? Defensively? I just think he's over his head.
I've seen companies do this before, where they hire somebody
because they went to an IVY League school. Yeah, so
are they street smart? Do they understand the business. I'll
(06:22):
just ask you. My question, ohas to the Chargers, is
if this is a defensive coach, why aren't defensive players
getting better? What do the Chargers do well consistently. You
got to give me something. I'm not here to fire coaches.
You've got to get better at something year to year.
Where Colin was right, I said the Sixers would be
(06:45):
better without Harden. The Clippers would be a circus. They
are now officially oh and four with James Harden. Can
you imagine Steph Curry ever saying out loud, I am
the system even if he believed that he wouldn't say it.
Harden views himself as really the shot maker and shot
taker in crisis. The media often confuses assists with a
(07:09):
great leader. Westbrook has more career assists per game than Lebron.
Is he a better leader? James Harden is poison for
winning in crisis minus nine to six with him on
the floor, zero to four without him. Colin Wright, Colin wrong.
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On a Monday, a Monday with a lot of interesting stuff.
With that, we bring in the Super Bowl champ, the
former Packer. We love him. James Jones, nine years in
the NFL, is joining us on a Monday in what
we thought would be a boring Monday. And the one
game we thought would be great was the only truly
boring game of the weekend, which was Jacksonville and San Francisco.
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When you watch that game, and I thought to myself,
first of all, you'd have to go back to almost
the Steelers of the seventies where there was a hall
of fame in every unit.
Speaker 5 (08:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
I looked at Jacksonville and how they beat Dallas and
how they beat Pittsburgh and how they beat the Jags,
and it's almost like the Tyson quality, like good fighters
are intimidated. Like did you ever play a team when
you thought James and you and you may have had
your way, but you thought, oh, they have significantly better
players than we do.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
The Niners.
Speaker 6 (08:22):
Yeah, I played against those Niners team with LaVar Bowman,
Patrick Willis, DeShawn Golds and Whittner, Carlos Carlos Rogers on
the others on the on the corner, but just the
big time defense, all the Smith justin Smith, mod Brooks
like that. So you know, I knew, like, hey, we
got in Rogers, we got five receivers that could Goldonald Driver,
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Greg Jennings, myself, Jordan Nelson, Randall Cobb. But those boys
was a little different. And I'm like, man, these and
they got after us. Really almost every time except once.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Yeah, no, and then and then at one point didn't
they add Kaepernick so he could run?
Speaker 6 (08:59):
Ye beat us in the playoffs we ran for three
hundred and ninety seven yards. So yeah, I played against
some really good forty nine ers.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
For the record. That happens in college football all the time.
But when you have Deebo and McCaffrey and Kittle and
Ayuk and Trent Williams, Brock doesn't have to do a.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
Lot, No, not at all.
Speaker 6 (09:19):
And I think it's the fit too, Like each one
of those guys fits something different. You know, Deebo, Samuel's
your guy that you are going to give these screen
passes to wear a throw it two yards, he could
take it thirty yards.
Speaker 5 (09:31):
That's a quarterback's best friend.
Speaker 6 (09:32):
Brandon Ayuk is one of the best route runners in
the National Football League. So third and five Kyle Shannon
is able to create some routes for Brandon Ayuk to
get one on one on these corners. A really good
route runner. And then the same with George Kittle. Just
a mismatch problem for a lot of people. If it's
a linebacker, they're too slow. If it's a corner he's
too small. So being able to get these guys in
different matchups, I just think all of it fits together
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so well. And then obviously you got McCaffrey in the
backfield running the football, catching the football. That makes it
super super easy on a quarterback to where you don't
really have to take chances if you don't want to,
because the chance that you've taken is a two yard
pass and you could take it thirty and you looking
like a really good quarterback.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
So you didn't have a lot of this in your
career where you went to practice and knew a quarterback
was overwhelmed. But you did have two quarterbacks and a
young Aaron Rodgers where you knew instantly. Listen, c J. Stroud,
it's not just that he's completing passes. If you look
at his and this is a big one, his numbers
trailing in the fourth quarter, his passer ratings in the hundreds.
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Did you know, and like Aaron Rodgers, there was talk
about c J. Stroud in the preseason. There was also
talking Dak in the preseason. His first preseason. People were like, yeah,
like he's a leader, Like this guy's going to run
the franchise. Did you know where Aaron when I watched CJ. Stroud.
They must have seen this at camp. Did you see
it at Aaron and camp?
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (10:50):
And I think that's the big thing. When I watched CJ. Stroud,
I don't care anything about the stats. I'm right here,
I'm looking with my own two eyes, and the kid
is absolutely special. The game is extremely slow to him,
and he is a rookie. He's making plays with his legs,
he's making plays with his arms. He's running out of
the pocket, extending plays, making plays with his arm. Like,
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I don't think he is going to make a bad
play when the football is in his hands. And that's
the same way I felt about Aaron Rodgers. I'm like,
whenever Aaron touches it, Aaron's gonna make the right play.
I don't care whether even if he throw a pick
the very next time he touched it, I'm like, he
gonna make the right play.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
That's that's c J. Stroud.
Speaker 6 (11:26):
And then from that standpoint, when Brett Favre moved on,
everybody's like, what are you.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
Guys gonna do?
Speaker 6 (11:32):
And we all looking like we're just fine because we've
seen Aaron Rodgers in practice, We've seen how he throws
the football. We've seen the flick of the wrists. We've
seen how cool and comedy was. He didn't even have
to play a game. We're like, we're gonna be just fine. Now,
we didn't know four time MVP and all this type stuff,
but we knew he was gonna be special.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
When you look at CJ. Stroud, c J.
Speaker 6 (11:50):
Stroud is taking his league by storm, and the kid
is special. And I mean he's playing against big time
quarterbacks too, and he the best quarterback on the field.
Speaker 5 (11:58):
He's making it look well. Well.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
One of the things that you hear this and it
sounds I don't know what it is. Maybe it's innate,
but there are people that make quick decisions like Burrow.
Mahomes is the fastest I've ever seen, even faster than
Brady Patrick sees something balls out of his When you
watch Burrow and c J. Stroud, and I don't know
if there's a better term. Those are quick processors like CJ.
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Rarely pump fakes like Seafield deliver a couple times yesterday
he pumped Well that's OK. You saw one of those highlights.
But there is something and I think it's like, like
I can watch it. Kenny Pickett and go like, that's
not it.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
No, no, by the way, Jordan Love, Yeah, he.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Made some nice throws, but I can see that's not
it when I watch Stroud and Burrow next to him.
Some guys just see. I mean, you played with guys
who see the game and then guys who play it
and don't think it.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
Yeah. And when I watched CJ.
Speaker 6 (12:51):
Stroud, and obviously when you watch Joe Burrow, I played
with some great ones in Aaron Rodgers and Brett Favre.
And it's pre snap like these these these guys, these
quarterbacks know exactly where they're going with the ball pre snap,
and you can roll to a certain coverage at the snap.
That's why a lot of these quarterbacks use the double
count nowadays, because you want to see what the defense
is rolling into. But when you watch CJ. Stroud play, CJ.
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Stroud is playing like one of these veteran quarterbacks. He
sees it before it's even happening, so he knows exactly
where he's going with the football. The most impressive thing
is he knows exactly where the guys are when it's
scrambled drill, when he's escaping the pocket. You've seen a
couple throws yesterday to where he's spinning around there and
he knows exactly the concept that these receivers are running,
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and I know what area they're supposed to be in,
and he's making superstar throws and it's impressive to watch.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
So Zach Wilson, who I think is somebody that doesn't
see the field as well, for whatever reasons, he can
be tentative. So my takeaway is there are moments Brandon Staley, Chargers,
it's time to put a new coach in control, because
I think you've lost the room. I do think with
the Jets now, the entire organization with the Jets is
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the coach, the GM players constantly defending the quarterback. You're
wasting your energy. To me, this is not a playoff
team is currently constituted. I would go to the backup
to the backup. Am I wrong? I think you lose
the room.
Speaker 5 (14:15):
Oh man.
Speaker 6 (14:15):
I don't think the backup to the backup is better
than Zach Wilson's That's my humble opinion. If the backup
to the backup was better than Zach Wilson, Zach Wilson
would have been out a long time ago. So I
think Zach Wilson is truly their best option that they
have over there, you know, at the New York Jets,
because Aaron Rodgers is hurt, and that's why they're.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
Holding on so long.
Speaker 6 (14:36):
I don't think it has anything to do with him
being the number two overall pick, first round pick. I
think those guys behind him are not better than him.
So you're basically getting worse if you put those guys
in the game. Even though it could be a different
mojo to the world, were trying to help this team.
They're not better than Zack Wilson. That's why Zack Wilson
is still in the game. But you're absolutely right. The
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kid is not seeing the game the right way. He
seeds one side of the field steal. I mean he
was staring down a lot of receivers last night.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
You know, a buddy of mine, John Middlkoff, a former
NFL scout, told me last night, he goes, go to
the COVID year, Go look at the quarterbacks who got
drafted due to the COVID year. Zach was one of them.
Trey Lance was one of them. Go back to that year.
I think Mac Jones may have been one of them.
Is the COVID year. A lot of teams, even like
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good programs like Michigan kind of bailed. They were kind
of like, it's just a reset year. We're going to
change the staff. That COVID year when guys were playing
weaker schedules, lesser schedules. It fooled a lot of scouts.
Teams didn't practice as much, he didn't travel with as
many people, and I kind of look at this quarterback
class and I'm like, yeah, I just I don't think
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it works. Now, I want to ask you about Brandon Staley.
There's a bit some guys are smart. I've seen this
with politicians, but they're not presidents, they're vps. The smartest
guy in the room doesn't necessarily isn't necessarily the best.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
Leader, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
I don't doubt Brandon Staley's smart, but there is a
disconnect between him and his side of the ball. Have
you ever experienced this in your life where you love
to coach on staffs intelligence, Yeah, but it didn't translate,
no question.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
And I've been around coaches who interview extremely well, say
all the right things to get the job, but they
are not leader of men, point blank period. You can't
lead a whole team. Are you a great position coach, absolutely?
Are you a great coordinator, absolutely? But when you come
to leading a whole group of men, it's some coaches
that cannot get that done. Brandon Staley is a defensive
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minded coach. Your team gave up forty one points yesterday
and they're terrible on thirty. Your team has blown so
many leads, and you're a defensive minded coach. And you
have all pro players. You have Khalil Mack, you got Bolson,
you got Derwin James, you got Samuel Like you have
all pro players, players that play at a really, really
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high level. And you mean to tell me that you
can't go out there and stop people. I mean, and
this was just yesterday. I mean, I know we can
bring up all the numbers on how bad this defense
is being, but come on, you got you gotta start
with your side of the football and stop somebody to
be able to help your young quarterback out. Your young
quarterbacks wing thirty eight points still find a ways to lose.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Do you think players in the room know it? Well?
Speaker 6 (17:21):
Yeah, I mean you heard when when Austin Eckler came
out and said, you know what we what was something
on the lines of what we're gonna do here, our
coach ain't nothing we can do that. Let me know
right there, the locker room's gone. The locker room's gone
number one. And let me know, I played with defensive
minded coaches. They not even in the offensive meetings. You
don't even talk to the to the defensive coach. He
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comes into the team meeting, he says whatever he has
to say, and he goes to defense. You are dealing
with a whole bunch of different coaches. And that was
your response about Brandon Staley.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
If it was.
Speaker 6 (17:52):
Derwin James or Khalil Mack or Joey Bosa who's dealing
with him every day he's in the install meetings in order,
that's something else.
Speaker 5 (17:59):
But to hear that from I mean in the locker room,
that this.
Speaker 6 (18:01):
Talk is going on right between the offensive players and
the defensive players and everybody saying, man, he don't know
what he doing.
Speaker 5 (18:08):
And that's the response you got from an offensive player.
Speaker 6 (18:10):
So you know, obviously, I don't think they're gonna make
the playoffs, and I think all those guys are gonna
be out of there. I think the Chargers is gonna
have to, you know, gut this whole thing out.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Okay, we would be remiss if we did not ask
you about Jordan Love. A couple of big throws down,
he'd made a nice throw to the corner.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
He did, he did, he had. He had a couple
of good throws yesterday.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
A couple of pecks. Where are you with Jordan Love?
Speaker 5 (18:34):
I just need consistency. You know.
Speaker 6 (18:36):
You see a lot of good throws from a lot
of these young quarterbacks. Kenny Pickett is six and three.
He makes two throws a game, you know, but those
two throws a game win the game, and everybody talks
about how he's come brings this team back and most
comeback since Josh Allen and all they makes two throws
a game. So for Jordan Love, I just need to
see more consistency, you know, throwing the football. We see
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the arm talent, We see that he could make these throws.
But for him, I want the game to slow down
for him. We talked about c. J. Stroud how the
game looks extremely slow. It still looks fast to Jordan
Love at times, and I just need it. I just
needed to slow down for him, especially with him being
in you know, is his third year.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
I need to see it slow down. I just need
to see him be more consistent.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
I said this earlier. You played with the dysfunctional Raiders,
and that kind of sums up their organization. They got
an interim coach, an interim GM, a backup quarterback. I
don't know what it is, yeah, but I like and
then he makes fun of me. The whole staff does,
Max Crosby, Davante, Adams, Jacobs, Colton Miller, Hunter, Renfro Dude,
I see, I'm I see talent here.
Speaker 5 (19:37):
They got a lot of talent.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Can you think so too? I know so be cause
you're you're you're. I mean, you tell me last night.
Does does Pierce have a shot to get this gig?
Speaker 5 (19:46):
I believe so.
Speaker 6 (19:48):
If if Mark Davis listens to these players, he's going
to be the next Raiders head coach, point blank period.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
I don't care if he wins another game.
Speaker 6 (19:54):
I think what he's I think the respect that he
has of these players and the confidence that he reads
in them, and just you see how the dudes is
playing for him.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
Like you hear a lot of.
Speaker 6 (20:05):
These dudes talk there like I don't want to let
my coach down. You don't really hear too many players
saying that about head coaches. We heard, like we just
talked about Austin Eckler. You don't really hear too many
players saying that. But you know he knows these players.
You know, he loves these players. Even yesterday watching the game,
it was they got a hold the Raiders got it
was a holding penalty on the Jets and it was
like third and four and it was a holding penalty
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and backed them up to third and fourteen instead of
fourth and four. And Antonio was thinking about punting the ball,
I mean, just declining in the penalty so they could
punt the ball fourth and four.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
And Marcus Peters was like, back them up, coach, you know,
back them up. Make it.
Speaker 6 (20:41):
Make it third and fourteen fifteen, you know what I mean,
say some yards.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
He was like, you better make can tackle then, right,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (20:47):
But that's a coach, that's a player's coach that could
get the best out of his players. Like, if you're
telling me to take this penalty, you better make the tackle.
And you see that through the whole locker room. You
see that through the whole team.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Funny.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
Yeah, And even when you watch Davonte.
Speaker 6 (21:00):
Since Antonio's got here, his stats has not changed, right,
but he has bought into what Antonio Pierce is doing.
Speaker 5 (21:06):
And I think Antonio Piers has a really good change.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
I've known Antonio for a long time. Good dude, totally
committed to football, you know. And there's something about this.
He's got a Dan Campbell quality. He and Vrabel's got this,
and Tomlin has this. There is a presence like you
wouldn't want to not only tick him off. I always
say this, Joe Toy, the baseball manager, is like the
step dad. You'd never want to disappointment. Like he's like, oh,
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grand there's this grandfather. Antonio's got this thing where it's
like he cares so much about it, you'd feel horrible
letting him down.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
And that's how these boys are playing. And when you
watch him, you hear him talk that that is how
they are playing. Yeah, they do not want to let
him down. The mojo is different in there. I mean
Antonio Pierce came in there and got the job. He
sat down with all the workers in the building, you know,
he sat down with them like, man, I see you
guys walk in here.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
You're smiling.
Speaker 6 (21:58):
You got your headphones on and the right when you
hit the right when you walk into the building. I
don't see them smiles no more, you know what I'm saying.
Like he met with those type people like, man, hey
we play a game. You should walk in this building,
smile on your face, joy and all that. So he's
really changed just the whole the whole building over there
and brought a whole lot more confidence, a lot more
swag and all that to the whole building, not even
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just the players.
Speaker 5 (22:19):
So you know the young does.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
These young kids over here, like j Max, he's in
his twenties, they don't understand how great the Raiders were
in the seventies eighties. This brand was somebody. I'm a
West Coast kid. You watched the Raiders. Every every old
guy will listen to me and remember this. The sun
would be going down in the stadium and it was
like Raiders, Steelers and John Shula's a Dolphins. I mean
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it felt like thirty years of that the Raiders. And
they were always loose. They had too many penalties, they
were inappropriate the court. I mean it was like if
you went into the locker room, they'd be smoking. There's
something about the Raiders as a West Coast fan, and
maybe it feels this way in the East Coast for certain,
you know, Red Sox or whatever. But as a West
Coast person, I remember as a kid when we got
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the Seahawks in the seventies as an expansion team, all
we cared about was beating the Raiders. And for the record,
Jim Zorn was our quarterback and we used to give
the Raiders fits. We could go one in thirteen at
the time, fourteen games if you beat the Raiders. So
I don't know what it is, but you now work
for the organization. I just want him to be prideful
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and heading in one direction.
Speaker 6 (23:29):
And that's the right man for the job right there.
Antonio Pears is the right man for the job. I mean,
you know he's from Compton. He a Raider through and through.
You know that was his team growing up, and that's
why you see him talking and coaching with that passion.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Yep, I didn't know that.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
Yeah, great seeing you man, Good to see you man.
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Are you on speak today?
Speaker 5 (23:46):
I am? I am.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
I'll be on speaking full day to day, full day
of work, not one of these fifteen minute hits. You
know what, I'm saying, I putting makeup on and.
Speaker 7 (23:53):
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Speaker 1 (24:03):
All right, welcome back, good stuff. Today, we're gonna get
into de Shaun Watson. But first, j Max with the news.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Turn on the news. This is the Herdline News.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
So Jim Harball just met with the media within the
last ninety minutes talking about his suspension and uh, the
win over Penn State.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
I'm gonna let Jim Harbaugh take it away.
Speaker 8 (24:29):
Watching I would have to say, I mean, everybody, it's
got to be America's team. It's got to be America's team.
America America loves a team that that beats the odds,
beats the adversity, you know, overcomes with the naysayers and
you know, critics, so called experts think.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
That's my favorite kind of team.
Speaker 8 (24:52):
And yeah, watching it from from that view on the television,
it was finally people get to see what I see
every day, you know, and these players and these coaches.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
I don't know if he's trolling, but that's the greatest
speech in the history of college football. That's better than
the Gipper Newt rock mee, whoever made a big speech.
That's the greatest speech in the history of college football.
I want from now on the Gipper Newt Rockney may
have been the same guy who knows that second Hardball's
speech is now the speech. This should be America's team.
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He's right, by the way, that's how I felt. I
stood at Allegiance. I almost stood up watching that game Saturday.
I honestly I watched that game. I haven't felt that
way about a football team that I have no connection to.
They just said, we're not gonna pass the ball. We're
gonna win on our terms in your place. We're not
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even gonna We're not even gonna throw the ball. And
they just said, no, we're Michigan. And by the way,
they have a first round NFL quarterback. We're not even
gonna allow him to throw. What a great win for America.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Is this a political speech by Harball playing to his base?
Speaker 4 (26:03):
You know that's going to fire up all the.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Michigan fan doesn't play to their base and me the politicians,
And he.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Doesn't basically double middle fingering everybody else like I don't
care what you guys think.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
First of all, America's team, Michigan.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
This is gonna hit in like Ohio State and Texas
and sec.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Ohio State. Buckeye fans should be judgmental. Want to bring
up tattoo gate, want to bring up that coaching debacle
you had. I don't want to hear all the pristine
Buckeye fans.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
But this is good for business college football.
Speaker 5 (26:32):
This is it.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
This is listen.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
This is going to be a talking This is a
bigger talking point than anything on Monday Night Football, Broncos Bills.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
This is way better.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Jim Harbaugh just.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
Basically sticking it right to everybody. We're America's team.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Look what we're going through.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
All you pristine sports writers out there who wanted to
cancel college football when we had COVID, you know, you
guys are all living this precious life. This is real sports.
I think you should. I think part of what Harball
is doing is just trolling people. He's just he's got
that that little sly smile when he says it. But
I got to tell you something, I've never go blue.
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I've never been into Michigan. More than that, I've always
respected the program like a Texas. He has these big brands,
Notre Dame that I respect. So the idea of suspending
a coach as he flies in. Can I donate to Michigan?
Is that against my contract? Can I write a check
to the program?
Speaker 4 (27:23):
They have a tomato can this week and then they
play Ohio.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Don't say it. Maryland can score, they have to go
back on the road out east to his brother. Yeah,
I'm just going to tell you Maryland score.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
On the Michigan defense. Okay, good luck with that.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Well, it's a road game. You have to go, you
have to fly home, go all the way back. And
it's the game before Ohio State. So keep your eye.
I think what's the number right now? I'd keep your eye.
It's a danger spot for Michigan. I'm not joking, all right,
between the men State and Ohio State, whoever's there, if
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they can score, watch out.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Okay, let's go to the next story. College football. This
was the moment of Saturday. Watch this pick six by
the Washington player. Now here's where it gets interesting. You know,
he's coasting to the end zone and he just here
he is thirty twenty.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
He just literally just.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
Drops the ball inside the five look at that. The
worst part is Colin his teammates run past the football.
Speaker 5 (28:21):
They didn't even notice.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
I know, I'm so excited to celebrate this kid.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Linebacker Alfonso Tuputala seventy six yards Utah recovered the football.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Oh, I know. I was at that stadium three weeks ago.
I wanted to throw up.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
I feel so bad for this kid, Like I don't
he's gonna have to walk around campus holding a football
well to lunch, to class. He's not gonna be allowed
to let go the.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
End zones purple. You can figure out what it is.
What is he doing?
Speaker 4 (28:47):
I don't listen.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
I feel a little bad because he's a college kid
and his teammates so oblivious that they did not even notice, oh.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
The football.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Not blame his teammates, well, I mean they're not to blame,
but like they just missed it, like caught up with
the excitem column.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
That's that's not a great look. But Washington by the way,
Fox had Michigan, Fox had good games. Fox had my
two favorite games of the weekend. We have been on.
Fox has been on a tear in college football. I
think the nude kickoff is crushing. We have had so
many great games this year.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
Utah really pushed Washington in that game.
Speaker 5 (29:25):
They led it.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
I think at halftime seven Oregon ended up beating USC
late that was we're not I don't think we're talking
about it now, but you know we like Daniel Jeremiah.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
He's an NFL network. He had a comment on.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Social media about Caleb Williams, like, dude, chill with the
backyard football. We've been talking about this for weeks. Man,
he's got to sit in the pocket. I'm not off Caleb.
This is not a knock USC people.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
But it's a fair criticism that he is. That he
is seven on seven. He's doing some Thanksgiving with the
relative football.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
We know that doesn't work in the NFL. Like it's
a limited shelf life and that's how you get hurt.
Like I like Caleb.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
He's gonna be okay, but I need the Drake may discussion.
We had Drake May or Caleb.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
It's headed toward like a legitimate toss up. That's where
we'll be in the process. I'm not saying Drake's gonna
be better but Caleb.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
But I think that I'm a huge well and there's
been fair or not a lot of emotion. Crying in
the stands, the fingernail stuff, kind of pouting against the
Oregon State last year on the sidelines. There have been
some signs that you're saying to yourself, Okay, I can
paint a picture of a highly emotional player. Now I'm
not anti emotion, but I CJ. Stroud is like business.
(30:34):
Burrow business, Herbert business. There are you know, Andrew Luck business.
There are gms. I've talked to him about this. They
like their quarterback to have a high EQ, which is
I don't need you to be a cheerleader. You can
pump a fist, but when you watch CJ. Stroud, it
is business. You watch Burrow, it is business. There there
(30:55):
are people and this is I'm in the process. You
and I do this. We text sources, We text people.
There are those that are like, high emotion is not
great for my quarterback. I need you to be receivers.
There's a lot of players that play with great emotion.
I need you to bring it in.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
Even keel too high.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Troy Aigman was legendary for that. Troy a been played
with characters and personalities. You go to the sideline and
Troy would dog cust you bring it back about the team,
get a first down, compartmentalize. So it's a real thing
that I've heard now two people I trust say he's
high on the emotion. Bring it in. You are the franchise,
(31:34):
you are the leader. By the way, Mahomes plays with
a lot of motion, and he's got Andy to pull
him back in when he gets a little backyard football,
which which Mahomes will do a couple times a year.
That's why Jalen hurts personality is literally Dak Prescott, Dak Prescott,
Jalen Hurts. Jalen Hurts has the perfect personality for a quarterback. Yeah,
(31:55):
it's just Peyton Manning was almost robotic. Herbert is almost
no emotion. I know it sounds crazy, but like Jalen
Hurt's personality is exactly what I want.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
Just shows up with the briefcase like it focused.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Let everybody else celebrate. You remember when the Villanovo won
the national title and Jay Wright his reaction the ball
up through the basket. He was like, all right, who's
got the defensive side. I don't want my coach as
a cheerleader, and I don't want my quarterback as one.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
I think showing emotion can be good.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
No no, no, pump up fist, no no, no, Tom Brady,
I get it. But there is something to be said
about when you get emotional. None of us, when we
get emotional, are rational. When you get emotional with your
kids with a team, you're crazy. I don't need my
quarterback to ever be out of control.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
One hundred percent agree. Final story, New York Jets.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
I guess we got to talk about the loss Zach
Wilson late interception. As you said, seven fourth quarter picks
leading the NFL. Oh, listen, some of that is because
they're always trailing and Zach's got to try to bail
him out. He missed a couple passes. I'll maintain he
was not off last time. I didn't think he was terrible.
He scrambled, stepped up in the pocket, made.
Speaker 5 (33:04):
Some nice places.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
Look at you, grimacing. Here's Zack Wilson after the elk.
Speaker 9 (33:08):
So much frustration. I don't know how to put it
any other way. I mean, I don't know if people
could see I was frustrated on the sideline in a
good way. I mean, it's it's a good thing to
be frustrated, But I mean the hard thing is, I
know everyone's battling, you know, these penalties aren't aren't like
anyone's not trying or you know, but we got to
find a way to be better there. You know, I
(33:29):
know everyone's out there battling, but we got to find
a way to be to be better.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
He's a backup quarterback. You know, I don't know what
we expect. We got to have Zach Wilson win games
for us, like we're not doing that.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
So yeah, oh he misses sometimes badly.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
By the way, they have better players than the Raiders.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
Resall or Josh Jacobs, breeshol obviously Adam. It's close. It's close,
Carol Wilson.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
Is Max Crosby or anybody in your defensive fronts talking
about Okay.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Rocky's a little better, but then like two through six
or all Jets Soft Gardner.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Left tackle, Colton Miller or your entire line Colton Miller, Well,
the Jets.
Speaker 4 (34:15):
The Jetsu's like three backups that are starting. Man, It's
it's just I'm gonna say bad words, so I mute myself.
Speaker 7 (34:23):
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Speaker 1 (35:52):
I mean Colorado has sort of cooled off as a
program a little bit. Well, the hype trains scale back
a little.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Bit with they'll they're starting to look like Colorado, awful
team that Colorado was lesson.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Yeah. So not a big fan of Deshaun Watson or Cleveland,
and I think they'll unravel eventually. But you did see
glimpses yesterday of the old Deshaun Watson. Now we know
Cleveland's got Miles Garrett, good old line, nice weapons, never
got good players, but it's all contingent on Desaun Watson.
It's like the Jets can't make the throws you lose,
make the throws you win. So he had to go
(36:24):
fourteen for fourteen in the second half to beat Baltimore,
a great team. But he's absolutely worth the money. Yeah,
I said it. He's worth the money if you can
win these big road divisional games. Mahomes is sixteen and
one on the road in his division. We never talk
about his money, Big Ben for years. Josh Allen right
now in Division Miami can't beat him home er away.
(36:46):
New England can't beat him usually, So if Deshaun Watson
can win big road games at Pittsburgh, at Baltimore, at Cincinnati.
I don't care about the money. I don't like the contract.
I would never guarantee a contract to a core in
Cleveland's Cleveland. But when you watch second half yesterday, money
becomes really it's no longer nobody talks about drop passes,
(37:09):
money or play calling. If you got the guy at quarterback,
and there were glimpses yesterday in the second half of
that guy, here's Kevin Stefanski.
Speaker 5 (37:20):
Well, he's a warrior.
Speaker 11 (37:22):
He battled through an ancle injury in the second half.
You know he's Uh, listen that the first one gets tip,
kid makes a great play.
Speaker 5 (37:31):
It is what it is. But uh, he'll get back.
We'll get better from that.
Speaker 11 (37:35):
But he's a warrior, makes plays when they're not there,
makes unbelievable throws, leeds his football team. Uh, there was
really never a doubt in his mind how this game
was gonna turn out.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
You saw it yesterday. How many games were go either
way games? Kyler Murray made plays. Jared Goff made plays, right.
C J. Stroud, Let's talk about him. Made plays when
you don't have a quarterback who makes plays late you
start talking about play calling and drop passes and officiating.
(38:09):
What's amazing about c J. Stroud And we can put
his numbers up this year He's first in many categories touchdowns, interceptions,
big plays, there's two and one. Really that jumps out
to me. How is he trailing? Nine touchdowns, no picks.
Baker Mayfield when leading and comfortable, looks really good, But
(38:30):
it's Mahomes, c J. Stroud, Joe Burrow when they're trailing.
Quarterback play it's not as linear as people want to
make it out to be. A lot of guys are
good off script. They're called stars. Almost all guys not
named Jordan Lover good on script in the first quarter,
(38:51):
But what are you trailing? Trailing with under two minutes left? CJ.
Stroud's passer rating is one twenty seven. He is the
anti mac Jones. He's the anti Zach Wilson. The big
winner is not just the Houston Texans or c J. Stroud.
Another big winner is the NFL. We have another great quarterback.
And here's what's interesting. There's three quarterbacks in my opinion,
(39:14):
Andrew Luck, Justin Herbert, and c J. Stroud that midway
through their rookie year and not playing with much. We
all went WHOA, WHOA, what's that? The first nine starts.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
C J.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
Stroud has the third most passing yards ever. Number one's
Andrew Luck. Number two is justin Herbert. Herbert had a
terrible offensive line, Luck had a terrible everything. CJ. Stroud's
got a rookie everything. But he's really as good as
Herbert and Luck were in terms of productivity. They weren't
as good as c J. Stroud in crisis trailing late,
(39:53):
so you get productive and you get clutch. Some of
this is just innate. I don't know how you teach it.
I don't know how you teach the ability to be
calm in crisis. Here's c J.
Speaker 12 (40:06):
Stroud after I threw the interception. I think we got there,
scored and I let him know, man, I got your back.
Like I know, I made a mistake, but that one
player doesn't define me. And I'm gonna go, uh, I'm
gonna go prove myself again. They knew that it would
come down to the wire. We knew that too, and
I just want you Tomko let him know, man, I
got you, we go win this game. And he looked
me around the eyes, said I trust you. So it's
(40:28):
it's amazing to have trusting your head coach. And I'm
a rookie and in my OC Bobby Man like I
think Bobby. We need to give him his flowers. He
called a great game again, lean on his players and
took risk, and I appreciate him for even doing that.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
He's made Noah Brown a seventh rounder and Tank Dell
a third rounder. I mean, yesterday looked like Pro bowlers
when you got the right quarterback. Nobody's talking about the
refs and drop passes.
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