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Speaker 1 (00:25):
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We don't want to waste any time here. We do
it every Monday. Where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong,
and let's strip it where Colin was right. Well, I
picked Denver to win the AFC West. I said Kansas
City would be good, but a wildcard team. And you know,
I love bon Knicks and I thought yesterday, especially on
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that last drive, Bo Knicks looked like the veteran quarterback.
I just think Denver's got a better roster right now.
I didn't think that two years ago. But Chris Jones
is not playing at the level he was a couple
of years ago, So I was right on that.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
I didn't think it was.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
A controversial take when I said Denver's going to win
this division and Kansas City will finish second.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
But I've been higher on the Chiefs than almost everybody
else at this network because Andy and Brett Veach and
Patrick Mahomes, the three teams they're battling for a wild
card spot have all beaten them, The Chargers, the Jags,
and the Bills, and they're all in five and one
score games, and I just don't think their defense feels
is intimidating. And I think Patrick Mahomes is still remarkable.
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That's not a very good pick. And I think in
the last couple of years it's feels like Josh Allen's
more dynamic. So I've been a little higher on Kansas City,
maybe because I've seen them turn it around and had
sluggish two or three game spots, but I don't think
they're in a.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Good spot right now. Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
I said week one, I said Ben Johnson's the right coach.
You can talk about Caleb, but what I see from
Ben Johnson, I see what I saw in Detroit. He's
going to clean it up. The Bears are five and
one in one score games, and I don't think what
I said as a revelation, but it became very crystal
clear by week two, three and four that the identity
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of the team was not going to beat Caleb.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
It was going to be Ben.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Johnson, precision, a run game, and an interior old line
that they bought in the offseason. I've also always said
young quarterbacks are better with young offensive coaches. Once again,
Lafleur with Jordan Love helped McVay with a young golf help.
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Ben Johnson with Caleb has become crucial where Colin was wrong.
Maybe I'm a little tough on brock Party. I thought
he was great yesterday, having not played for a couple
of months. He and George Kittle are money together when
they connect. Kittle and brock Purty have a one forty
one career passer rating yesterday, three touchdowns accurate. They're able
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to move the pocket, good in the red zone. Listen,
he adds mobility. I'm kind of tough on him, but
I thought yesterday he kind of blew me away.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
The one quarterback in the twenty twenty four class I
was skeptical of with JJ McCarthy, and I kept saying,
what's the wow trade, folks. He's got a sixty two
passer rating that's the worst of any starter in the league.
And Justin Jefferson is disappearing slowly and his body language
is telling you he's not taken it well. I just
think trust your eyes. Does a quarterback feel a little overwhelmed?
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His body language, his feet. I think he's got a
good enough arm. I think he moves well enough. But
his misses are confidence misses, and I think that tells
you right now he's not sure of JJ McCarthy, and
he was the one quarterback I just didn't get.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
And so far I'm right where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
I didn't think Brent Venables was the best pick in Oklahoma,
and I didn't think Oklahoma would be that great in
the SEC. I was wrong on both counts. They have
allowed the fewest points in the SEC. It's the mess
defense in the conference. Venables has created an identity. He
went and found a great quarterback but I mean, they've
beaten Bamnon back to back years and were the better
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team and forced them into uncharacteristic mistakes.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
So, you know what, I.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Thought Texas would be the better of the two Big
twelve teams going to the SEC. But I don't know
what Texas's identity is. I know what Oklahoma's is. They
are physical, they are tough. They got a little bit
of a Georgia field to him. And I was wrong
where Colin was right. I did not like Detroit when
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Ben Johnson left. Hiring somebody in the building make it
a global search. Well, the Lions defense. In three of
Detroit's losses, they've scored thirteen, seventeen and nine points. I'm
sorry with that offensive line and those backs and those receivers.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
That's not good enough.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
They're down in third down percentage, rushing, passing yards per play.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
They're not even good on fourth down.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Right now, I think when you lose an elite coach
or a coordinator, don't just look inside the building. You
gotta go open your eyes up to every candidate in
the country.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
I think I was right on that with Detroit. Where
Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
I had said multiple times this year I had heard
that Brian Kelly just didn't want to grind anymore, and
he may have taken that LSU.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Job for the money.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
What do you know, Bruce Feldman reporting he cashed out,
spent more time golfing than around the building. I had
two people tell me in the last calendar year that
you know what it happens, You get into your sixties
and you kind of lose the drive, and he didn't
really have it. That was an opportunity to make some money.
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He's been a great coach. I don't necessarily hold it
against him. I hope it doesn't happen to me. But
what I had heard from two people I trust turned
out to be true, and Bruce Feldman's reporting doubled down
on that. Colin right, Colin wrong. And with that, Matt
Hasselbeck every Monday eighteen years in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
So it's funny.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Look at you.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
You're in Chicago now just cashing checks, not doing the grind.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
I'm cashing checks so I could buy another Winner coat,
is what I'm doing with my money.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
So end boots and boots.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
So Kansas City's five and five, and you can really
go two ways on it. But the one thing that
jumps out to me, Matt is when Chris Jones a
couple of years ago had an Aaron Donald field, where
like they just moved him around the line and you.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Couldn't block him.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
He's not that now, and I don't think the defense
fields as fast or as intimidating. I wish I could
be more positive, but I don't love what I see.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
I felt at the end of that game.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
I'm like, I thought Denver was controlling Kansas City, they
were controlling the clock, they had better weapons. That's what
it felt like to me. What say you, Well, it
was a great game. The game could have gone either way.
And I feel like that was their season last year.
They just won all those close games last year. You know,
that's really what happened.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Early in the year.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
They just said, oh, they don't have their wide receivers
and that's the problem. But I think if you really
look at it, I think turnover margin is a thing.
You mentioned Chris Jones and what he used to be
just wreaking havoc up front that created turnovers for their defense.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Turnover margins a thing.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
But I think if I were to point to one thing,
everyone else has just gotten better. Like the Denver Broncos
are way better. Bo Nix is better than what the
Chiefs used to have to go up against. And I
think that's the thing. No different this Weeklex, Listen, do
you believe in the Chiefs come play?
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Are they a playoff team?
Speaker 5 (08:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Probably a playoff team. Do you believe in them? Can
they go on the road?
Speaker 6 (08:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (08:19):
But like now they're going to They got the Colts
this week. They got the Colts this week. Colts are better,
Like everyone's better. So just doing what you've always done
isn't gonna work for Kansas City. They got to find
ways to win these close games against better competition.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Now, you know Caleb and bo Nicks I said this
last week, They're durable, They're inconsistent, they're uneven, but both
feel pretty confident late. It's almost like Bo is hard
on himself and it's kind of tough on himself and
comes in a little anxious and lightens up as the
game goes. What did you make of his last drive?
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Was it a play calling drive to you or a
quarterback drive?
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Yeah? No, it was a quarterback drive and it was
a quarterback play that won the game.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
I don't see those two quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
Similarly, I think bo Nicks is more in that Drake
may category. I know people are hard on him. I
see things critiquing him. I don't see it. Bonnicks is
a baller, He's a sure thing. He is absolutely their
franchise quarterback now and for the future, no doubt. The
corner route I think that you're showing there right now
that is not open. He is completely covered. It was
a what quarterbacks calling us or nobody throw. We either
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catch it or nobody catches it. The ball's not in
harm's way, and that sealed the game. It was kind
of a Mahomes esque type play. You go above the
x's and o's. It's a great call by spags in
the Kansas City Chiefs, it's great coverage by the defense.
It's a better throw and defensive backs they'll say it
in their meeting rooms also, they'll say, you know what,
there's no defense, there's no coverage for a perfect throw.
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We did what we could do. The quarterback just beat
us there. You got to tip your cap to them,
and that's what bo Nicks did. And like you mentioned,
it's in clutch, critical moments that he's doing it. I'm
a believer of Bonnicks have been and continue to be.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
So listen, Ramseeahawks and Luck had a quality that I loved.
He could throw back to back terrible picks and he
didn't care. He had a short memory. Sam's got a
little bit of that where you're like, Sam doesn't care.
Sam's a playmaker and he's just gonna let it rip.
I thought yesterday he saw things late. When I watched it,
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I'm like, Oh, he's just not crisp. Did you ever
get into those games where you weren't seeing it? You
have a pick, but your team needs you, and and
talk about the psychology, have a bad Sunday, But yet
that last drive you can't pouty the balls at the
one you got to drive and get a field goal.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Have you been in games like that?
Speaker 5 (10:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (10:38):
It was an interesting one. I just you know, he's
a great player and it's had a great year. He
had a terrible game, and you know, if he just
throws three interceptions instead of four, they probably win the game.
But four interceptions cost them the opportunity and the best
pun I've ever seen in my life by the Rams.
That was another thing.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
But I think for me, what I see in him.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
That I have felt is that you're so see sped up,
you know, Jared Vers and the pass rush it was
pretty legit and he was sped up, and then his
elbow was down low and then he's balls are getting
tipped that normally wouldn't get tipped, and he was just
a little bit rushed.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
It was quick to get to his checkdown because one, two,
three aren't open.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
I'm get getting to number four, Well guess what was
number four open? Like that you need to actually make
that decision too. But you're so sped up because the
defense is doing such a good job with their pass
rush and that, and that's what I think happened. I
also think that that's a team Seattle is a team
that's going to learn from this game. And you know
a lot of times, a lot of those negative negative
sam Donold plays from the game yesterday.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
We're on like third and three and third and three.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
If you're going to say we're going to be a
running team, like in the defense, the Rams are playing
dying defense at times. You got to be able to
just run the ball on third and three. That's the
whole point of getting into third and manageables. So the
defense has to defend the pass and the run and
not like third and seven to ten stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
So they'll I think they'll learn from this.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
I would chalk this up as the first game of
probably three that the Seattle Seahawks and the Rams play
this year, and I think all the gas will be
kind of like this one.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
So it's interesting.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
I always look for a team to have an identity,
and I actually think Chicago's identity is Ben Johnson.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
In the run game. But we pay a lot of
attention to Caleb.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
But I think when they got Drew Dolman, Joe Toney,
Jonah Jackson, Ben tipped his hand. We want to run
the ball. I want to make it easier for my
young quarterback.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
You know. Again, Caleb had moments, had plays. He does.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
I mean he throws that ball. He has one hundred
mile an hour fastball. But I kind of see their
identity they make. They're not a great defense, but it's
a playmaking defense and it's a run team.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
That's how I view them. How do you view the Bears.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
I think they're a team that's overachieving with a great
head coach. I mean they are seven and three right
now and like to think about who they were last
year and who they are this year. Ben Johnson, Ryan
Paul has done a great job building this thing. Caleb
is a young player learning on the fly, and as
he's learning, they're winning. He's morphing into Ben Johnson's kind
of quarterback.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Is he there?
Speaker 5 (13:00):
No?
Speaker 4 (13:00):
I don't think he is. He's really not. But they
seem to find ways to win. Whether it's a two
minute drive by Caleb doing a great job in two minute,
our special teams save in the day yesterday and given
that basically winning the game for them. Other times it's
been defense stepping up. So this is Ben Johnson. I
think the big fear with him was that he was
a great play caller, and he was cute and fun
with his trick plays. But was he going to be
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a culture setter? Was he going to bring in like
a new DNA into that organization? And that's what happens
with DNA culture seter type coaches. You set a standard
and an expectation for the details and the discipline that
are going to happen in your organization every single day.
And and like quite honestly, you saw teams lose games
because they didn't have detail they didn't have the discipline.
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They were selfish, and I think the Bears have like
kicked that out the door with Ben Johnson. He's a
great leader, he's a great play caller, he's a great
developer of a young quarterback. I think they're ascending. Do
I think this is their year without after I say
all that, No, they haven't really beat anybody, but the
schedules getting tougher.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Here we'll find out who they really are.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
So it's hot to me.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
I think one of the hardest things to do as
a coach is create an identity and then when you
have it, maintain it. You can lose it. You can
lose a star player free agency, injuries. I don't know
what Philadelphia's identity was last year. It was Saquon big plays,
everybody fearful, they don't run the ball, a lot of
receiver drama. I almost think the I almost think the
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identity is their two defensive interior alignment, where they just
any big fourth down play, they're unblockable. Can you win
super Bowls when offensively? I kind of feel like series
Ian Good God, they're like second most three and outs
in the league.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Is that a super Bowl level team to you are.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
They are a super Bowl level team if they start
playing their best football late in the year, you know,
after Thanksgiving they got to get hot. They have all
the ingredients and who else If it's not them, who
is it? You know, and they can compete with anybody
because of what you said, their defensive line and you know,
the havoc that they reak on a passing game, like
I was saying with Sam Darnold was sped up. Jared
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Goff was way too sped up, and there's not much
you can do. I mean, he doesn't have the athleticism
that a Caleb Williams has, so he has to throw
kind of on time, and there were guys open, but
he couldn't get the ball to them because of the
pass protection. And then if you short set defensive line
that's really good. They know just to get their hands
up and bat balls and all that kind of stuff.
So I think the danger for Philly right now is
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that they did an obvious job of trying to force
it to aj Brown yesterday, and I think it was
pretty good results, but I just think.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
You got to be careful.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
I know you lost your right tackle yesterday, but it's
about Saquon. It's about explosive runs, and it's about letting
the AJ Brown place kind of come to you.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
I thought they were about fifty to fifty there.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
Now Philly fans might push back on me and be like, hey,
good stuff happens when we.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Throw it to AJ, and I probably would agree.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
You might even get some defensive pass interference flags that
aren't really you know, they're a little questionable.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
We'll leave it at that.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
So but I just think the identity of who they
are that needs to stay to the x's and o's
and not get like the distractions of front office conversations,
and we're going to force it to AJ and like,
that's just that's not what great culture and great teams do.
And I do think they have been a team with
great culture and and a winning culture and like putting
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the team first. So that would be just my fear
that they it's a slippery slope with them, and I
think they're they're doing just an okay job right now.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Listen, there's two old quarterbacks that are still on any
Sunday playing pretty high level football, Stafford and Aaron Rodgers.
Aaron now has a risk injury if he can avoid surgery.
Go back to the end of your career when you know,
I always say young players heal faster older players.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
You know, it's like the NBA.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
If a guy wears two knee braces, attack him, he
can't defend anybody. Now you're Aaron and you're older, and
you ever risked injury. Does it change the way he plays?
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Do you think?
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Well?
Speaker 4 (17:06):
Yeah, listen, I dealt with this exact same thing. And
when you break a wrist or a hand, a bone
in your hand, you immediately go to a hand specialist.
It's kind of like it looks like it's just a
whole different world in there. And so you know, two scenarios.
I think either has to have surgery or he doesn't.
If he doesn't, then he's wearing a cast. And you
know my experience when Pete Carroll was in Seattle, I
was the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
I broke my wrist.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
I wore a cast all week, never took a snap
in practice, and then for the games we would cut
the cast off and I would wear a splint or
a brace.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Can you do it?
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Is it very painful? Yeah, it's very painful.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
What you do is you hand the ball off with
your right hand for all handoffs to the right or
to the left. Marshaun Lynch was my running back, and
in fact, if I remember correctly, I think Marshaun said, hey,
my quarterback in college at Cal, Aaron Rodgers. He did
something like this to his left hand and he handed
all the balls off to me with his right hand,
and you should do that too.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
And that's what we did that season. I did exactly
what I did.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Said, you know the beast Quake game, that was hand
the ball off righty and lefty. So if he avoids surgery,
I think he could still play. It's not necessarily a
ball security thing. It's more about protecting himself as he
goes to the ground and then maybe taking snaps under
center might be difficult, depending but I think it's doable.
I've done it and uh And apparently, according to Marshawn Lynch,
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Aaron Rodgers has already done it when he was a
cow So I think if you're a Steelers fan, you're
hoping that he doesn't need surgery and it's something that
he can just cast up and uh and play through.
Speaker 7 (18:31):
Well.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Cowboys Raiders tonight, Matt Hassel because always delivers.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Great senior Bud all right, see you all right?
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Yeah, uh, you know, there's not a lot of veteran
quarterbacks in this league Flacco obviously, but it's getting to
be a younger league and there's a lot of young quarterbacks.
But Stafford doesn't make any mistakes. Aaron's never been a
big interception guy. Uh, but if he's banged up, there's
there's limitations to what Aaron can do. You you just
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heal more slow as you age.
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Speaker 1 (20:17):
Six touchdowns for Josh Allen, He's normalized it.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
That's how good he is.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
I don't think I love Buffalo's roster. I just love
Josh Allen, Sean Tucker, ate him alive, Tampa Bay running back.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Yeah, I just there.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
It's really interesting watching Buffalo. They are lobsided and it's
just not a place you want to be in the
NFL like you you want an identity, but you don't
want your identity to be one player. And when I
watched Buffalo yesterday, I've come to the conclusion their roster's okay,
and Josh Allen's the greatest football player I've ever seen.
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And that's literally how I feel. I feel like I'm
watching o'tawny. I mean every snap he can run, pass,
He can run and pass, although that one was called back.
He can do everything. So I generally speaking, you want
your offense to have structure, and I feel with Josh
Allen half the time it doesn't necessarily have structure. He's
just kind of making it up as he goes, and
I'm totally okay with it. But I mean, even as
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a top rushing team, I wonder how much is James
cooking the O line and how much his team's terrified
of not committing to Josh Allen every time he hands
the ball off. So it's in Buffalo seven wins, Allen
has ten rushing touchdowns. In Buffalo's three losses, he has none,
So they're not a terribly balanced team. And I mean
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yesterday their three leading receivers were an undrafted receiver in
two backs.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
That is not ideal.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
But it it just works with Buffalo because Josh Allen
is that good. Any other team when you're relying in
an undrafted receiver in backs to be your receivers, you're
four and thirteen, they're seven and three, and it feels fine.
So I don't know if you can win a super
Bowl or get to one when you're this unbalanced. But
(22:11):
I don't love their defense. I just think Josh Allen
is I've never seen a better football player. I've never seen.
It's like Big Ben, plus big Ben was very good.
Everything's a little better with Josh Allen. And I mean
he's led the NFL in touchdowns since he arrived into
the league. He hasn't necessarily had a running game until
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a couple of years ago. He's never had a great
receiving corps. He's got a defensive coach. It's just six
touchdowns feels almost normal for Josh Allen.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Here's Sean mcdermodd after you guys know Josh.
Speaker 5 (22:49):
He's hard to stop, and you know, we all know
how last week went, and you know, probably better question
for him.
Speaker 7 (22:58):
But the Josh that I know.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Is very I mean, he will not be denied.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
That's the type of competitor, type of person, type of
teammate that he is. My heart could use something a
little bit for a different type of game. But again,
I this this win right here, as they are all
hard to come by, this win right here showed showed
me how tough we are.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
I mean it's again, when you play with that level
of mobility and athleticism. I can live with picks, I
can live with mistakes. There's just I mean, as good
as Mahomes is, he's not this big. He doesn't run
with this much uh confidence and size and impact. He
is right now the best quarterback in the league. He
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is the best quarterback. He's not the most decorated. He's
the best quarterback in the league. J Mack with the News.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
This is the Herd Line News.
Speaker 10 (23:56):
Well, Colin, this could be the last time we talked
about Aaron Rodgers for a while.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
He has some sort of wrist injury.
Speaker 10 (24:02):
Landed kind of awkwardly, hear as you see a big,
rare hit from the Bengals defensive front and it appears
that there's a slight break in his left wrist. Now
it's not his throwing hand, obviously. He didn't return after
the injury. Steelers were able to survive things to two
defensive touchdowns. Hey, don't get it twisted. They were not
great yesterday with Rogers or Rudolph. They got two defensive
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touchdowns to pull away. Here is Tomlin talking about the
latest with Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 6 (24:28):
He was excited about the win. I just talked to him.
But that's all we talked about. We didn't talk about
his injury. We talked about the significance of the win.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Han's injury designation was questionable.
Speaker 7 (24:38):
Could he have returned in the second half.
Speaker 6 (24:41):
I don't have the answer to that, and be honest
with you, I have more information next time we talked.
Speaker 10 (24:48):
Boy, you know who you know who is a big winner?
Here your Chicago Bears. Colin looking at the schedule, Bears
hosting Mason Rudolph this weekend. I'm not saying that's a
huge downgrade, but it's a downgrade for Rogers, and all
of a sudden, the Pittsburgh Steelers six and four. Look
at that daunting schedule. I think they lose with Mason
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Rudolph against the Bears. I don't think Rudolph can beat Buffalo. Sorry,
then you got the Ravens. I think it's okay to
write off the Pittsburgh Steelers if Aaron Rodgers has to
go on IR with a wrist injury, you.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (25:23):
At Pittsburgh feels like Pittsburgh has felt the last several years,
where they're around five hundred. I will say they end
the season at Detroit loss at Cleveland where we just
watched Cleveland's defense Steiny Lamar Jackson. So that played Baltimore
so last year, Remember they played very well.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
I think at one point they were ten.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
And three or something, and then all of a sudden
they went on a five game skit at the end.
It kind of feels the same thing. They come in
with Mike Tomlin's energy and focus and passion and the
raw Ross speeches have a ceiling and after Thanksgiving things
slowly to tear right. So I kind of feel like
this is what they were gonna be. They were going
to be a nine to eight football team, and I'm
looking at the schedule without Aaron that's about what they
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would be.
Speaker 9 (26:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (26:09):
Now, now the tough question, Colin, have you seen enough
from Aaron Rodgers that if you're Pittsburgh you want him
back next year?
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (26:16):
I want him back for one year. Really, Yeah, I
want to draft a quarterback this year, and then I
want him to learn from Aaron. Absolutely, whoa because I
think only one quarterback is ready to play immediately, Mendoza.
Everybody else I think should stay in college or come
out and sit for a year.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
So hold up, so.
Speaker 10 (26:33):
You're selling Aaron. Hey, Aaron, come back to us. Yeah,
we're gonna be fine. You know, we got this tight end,
Washington emerging as a tight end, you know, Jalen Warren.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
We're gonna be fine.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
We are going to draft a quarterback early.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
You know.
Speaker 10 (26:44):
I know you want us to get a left tackle
or another receiver or something else, but we're drafting a quarterback.
We're drafting your future replacement. How do you think that's
going to go over with mister darkness retreat?
Speaker 1 (26:55):
It doesn't matter because he's got one year left. I mean,
if he was twenty eight, wouldn't go over well. But
I mean, Aaron, I think, to his credit, has enough
self awareness to go is. He's not the future of Pittsburgh.
But if any By the way, he was a great
teammate of Jordan Love. When they drafted Jordan Love, he
could have been bitter. He was in his prime six
years ago. Yeah, but again he was in his prime.
Green Bay was his town, and he was like a
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good mentor. Aaron'll be fine. He understands what he is
now at this age. He's too smart not to know that.
Speaker 10 (27:23):
And one more follow up is that which you just described,
Aaron Rodgers coming back drafting a quarterback. Is that enough
to keep Mike Tomlin from saying, Hey, guys, the New
York Giants, So the Miami Dolphins want to.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Trade for me.
Speaker 10 (27:34):
I would like to listen to what they have to say,
because I gotta be hey, do you want you know,
old man Aaron Rodgers as your quarterback next year?
Speaker 3 (27:41):
They're not competing in the AFC, bro, They're.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Not going anywhere.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Well, I don't think Mike Tomlin has given any indication
he's unhappy coaching the Pittsburgh Steelers. So my guess he
stays he's never been he's never been a ladder climber.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
This is his job and he loves it.
Speaker 10 (27:55):
Yeah, all right, let's go to the Green Bay Packers.
You know, an uninspiring push. I had that minus seven.
You know, they beat the Giants by seven.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Did not look great.
Speaker 10 (28:04):
Obviously, there was the Josh Jacobs injury, but also Jordan
Love got ding. Duf Collin took a big hit, left
the game. Malik Willis came in and did a damn
good job. Love did throw two touchdowns after returning. Here's
Lafleur on his quarterback hit, his toughness.
Speaker 11 (28:20):
It was so gritty and tough. He was under dress.
It felt like quite a bit, and I thought he
did a really nice job of just giving guys opportunity
to make plays. Certainly had a lot of drops today
that we were able to obviously overcome.
Speaker 7 (28:37):
For his ability to come.
Speaker 11 (28:38):
Back and play the way he did, I was really
proud of him.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
I thought that Christian Watson emerged. Romeo Dobbs had bad drop,
but I thought Christian Watson, who's been dinged up, kind
of their speed guy, big body guy. I thought he
played well, and I thought Jordan made a couple of
world class throws. I think this team should stop trying
to define itself as a run team. They can't. They
should pass the ball more and hand it over to Jordan.
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They keep trying to become something. And then Jacobs went
into the tent and I'm like, guys, you're not a
run team. You've tried all year. I know the floor,
that's his brand. I think they should just let if
Jordan's gotta throw forty times.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Let him do it.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
But I don't think they're gonna run their way to
a division title.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
I think they have to put it in Jordan's hands
and let it rip.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
So here's one of the problems.
Speaker 10 (29:26):
It seems like, you know, reading some of these you
know ex'es and those guys, teams have solved Jordan Love.
They said, we're not giving you the deep ball. We
don't trust Jordan Love to make all the layups in
the right reads and go matriculate down the field.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
So lead, we don't think you can.
Speaker 10 (29:41):
Yeah, yesterday the dummy Giants basically were like, hey, we're
gonna leave Watson and all these guys man coverage down
the field. And of course the Giant secondary stinks. So
Love had some success. But Colin, when the playoffs hit,
they're not giving Love these forty yard bombs.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
They're just not gonna be there.
Speaker 10 (29:56):
I don't know that he's good enough to take the
eight yard check down. Read the defense, it's been a
trying year for it and the defense. Michael Parsons was great,
your guy, Michael Parsons, excellent game yesterday. I look at
this offense colin they barely had three hundred yards of offense,
like against the Giants, who are one of the bottom
five defenses in the league.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
I think a lot of people are winning ugly this year. Chicago, Denver, Philly,
Green Bay. I think it's a year of everybody's smashed
in the middle. There's no dominant team and the winners,
the big winners in this league outside of maybe the
Rams or win an ugly.
Speaker 7 (30:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (30:30):
Final story is college football. It was spicy Saturday. A
lot happened around the college football landscape. One of the
things that did not happen was Arch Banning and the
Texas long Orange offense. Georgia reeled off twenty one straight
to blow open at what was a close game at halftime.
I'll let you chime in on Arch Banning, who I
didn't see.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Much from Texas since they joined the SEC, has only
lost four games, three to Georgia.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
They just don't match up.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Georgia is a much stronger, more physical team. I think
they they're a better defensive team, and I think they
recruit to it. I think this is a bad matchup.
It's like it feels like a finesse fighter and a slugger,
and they just don't match up with Georgia. Texas Oklahoma
plays a type of football that can beat Georgia and Bama.
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I don't know if Texas does right now.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Art was fine. I don't love the receivers at Texas. Well,
they lost.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
They lost two guys to the pros.
Speaker 10 (31:25):
Here's Sark talking about their college football playoff aspirations.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Disappointing.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
It was a pretty good game recorders, and it's not
a great game.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
In the fourth quarters, at least not for us. So
I think the challenge for US now is we.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
Got we got a two week season in front of us,
and we got to get up off map. We got
to go compete, and we got to find a way
to go win the next two ball games to see
what happens.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Yeah, I don't think they're a playoff team.
Speaker 10 (31:53):
Well, they do have one path to the playoffs. They've
got to beat Texas A and M. And I know
our Texas the Texas guy on our staff.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
They got a shot.
Speaker 10 (32:00):
A and M looked like garbage for a half against
South Carolina before an unbelievable comeback. I don't see an
m as like some machine. I'll say Texas is gonna
have a chance in that game.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
I watched the entire A and M South Carolina game
and it wasn't impressed.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (32:17):
I know it's an NFL Monday, but right now it
looks like Ohio State appears to be a lock for
the Natty.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Who are they facing, Colin and don't tell me Indiana? Okay,
I know we like Indiana. It's gotta be.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Someone else, right, probably Georgia. Jmckle the news.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The
Herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Lincoln Riley around the corner getting ready for Oregon at
Aunts Game of the Week next.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
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Speaker 1 (33:01):
Since he arrived at USC they score a lot and
they're gonna need it this weekend. They're facing the Oregon
Ducks probably windy and rainy up at Austin and Austin
and Lincoln Riley is joining us live.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
I gotta be honest. I've said this on the air.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
I watched Jadeen Mayav at UNLV and early last year
and I said, I said on the air, I'm like,
I'm not sure that works. He's an athlete. He is
just exceptional. When did you watch him and think he
could be this? Because it wasn't a year ago. It
didn't feel like twelve games ago. It looked like this,
when was it.
Speaker 12 (33:37):
Yeah, we were excited when we took him out of UNLV.
We thought he was really raw, and the way he
produced there still being so new to the game was impressive.
Speaker 7 (33:46):
And then you know, Colin a goat chance to play.
Speaker 12 (33:48):
The last four games for us last year, we went three,
and one of those games he made a lot of
big plays against four really good defenses, and I think
that was when we all kind of said, man, we
might really have something here, because this kid can develop
the way that we think he can. You know, there's
the makings of something pretty unique here. And he was
just he was so much more raw than any maybe
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any quarterback that I've ever brought in anywhere, including like
freshman and and but to see what he was already
doing despite being so new to the game was impressive.
And yeah, he's just he's worked hard, he's gotten better, better,
he's got the trust of our staff, our team, and
he's playing at.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
A high level.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Well.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
That Iowa game, and I had said it during the week,
it's going to be Iowa weather. It was a I mean,
I'm in Chicago. Our weather was better than yours. It
was a sloppy mass And you got very emotional at
the end of that game. And I mean you were,
That's the most emotional I've ever seen you. What was it?
What was it the week of practice?
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Was it?
Speaker 1 (34:44):
It was a rainy, sloppy Iowa game that it felt
like a big ten win. What was all that excitement
from that was for a team you know, we didn't
play very good in the first half.
Speaker 7 (34:56):
It was like you said, it was a sloppy game.
It was a good opponent.
Speaker 12 (35:00):
And to have the resilience of toughness to come back
and win that game was important because we all know,
you know, what was riding on that game and the
opportunity that we've created by having a good season, and
so to see the way our guys responded, to see
us shut them out in the second half defensively, to
make big plays offensive on special teams and get it done.
Kind of in that moment, was I think a great
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step for our program, our team, And yeah, I was.
I was fired up about it.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
To beat Oregon, Indiana did it? You got to keep
that offense off the field. Can you Oregon's really good upfront?
Like first round level defensive line talent. Do you gotta
I mean, do you have to bring an extra tight ends?
Can you block Oregon? You have a very talented O line,
but it's young and you've got some depth. For the
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first time in ten years, USC has really like Sunday
looking players. You have depth. Oregon's a handful up front.
Can you block them straight up? Or do you have
to make them?
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Guess? Bring extra people in?
Speaker 7 (35:58):
Well, we've needed to.
Speaker 12 (36:00):
We've played with about ten different O line combinations all year,
and our guys have done a really good job responding.
And listen, we know it's a really good football team,
really well coached team. You know, talent across the board,
and so you know, we understand going in that it's
going to be a challenge and it's our job to
make it a tough challenge for them too.
Speaker 7 (36:16):
So it's gonna be two really good football teams going
at it. A lot of times.
Speaker 12 (36:20):
As you know, games like this, obviously, the front, the
battle up front on both sides of the ball is
always a key, and our guys are gonna have to
go in there and do a great job against a
talented group.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
When you go on the road at OTS, it's the
loudest stadium I think I've ever been to Gainesville, Florida, Oregon.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
I used to cover it.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
What do you have to do offensively to just keep
that noise from interrupting your flow and rhythm?
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Offensively?
Speaker 7 (36:43):
Well, play good?
Speaker 12 (36:45):
That helps right now, That's part of going on the road.
And I think the fortunate thing in the in this
league is you know, just about all the places that
you go have a really good home atmosphere and have
that challenge, and going on the road is always tough.
Speaker 7 (36:58):
You got to be able to handle it.
Speaker 12 (36:59):
You got a community, Kate, you know, their crowd and
all that do a great job up there. That's what's
going to make the atmosphere fun and we our guys
have got to go in and handle it.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
Will So when you you have a receiver makaile Lemon
and I was talking to an NFL guy and he said,
what do you make of him, and I said, it's
just amazing. I said, any go either way ball he'll catch.
I don't know what his catching radius is. I don't
know what his speed is. All I know is when
you throw it and if it's within his sphere, he
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will catch the ball, which tells me he's tough, he's physical.
Have you ever had a player quite like him? Which
I know that the measurables are good. He doesn't look
like a burner, but he doesn't. Nobody ever catches him.
What do I What do you make of him as
a receiving talent.
Speaker 7 (37:44):
He's really unique, you know.
Speaker 12 (37:45):
I think the two things that stand out to me is,
you know, one you mentioned is how fearless he is.
I mean, the guy is just absolutely fearless to make
any play over the middle, on the perimeter, big blocks,
you know, big catches and big moments. He's just absolutely
fear And I think the second thing is how smart
of a receiver he is. He he understands defenses, he understands,
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you know, really how to set up routes, how to
work him. He's one of those guys that you can
coach him at times, even a little bit different than
other guys. In the room because of his knowledge and
fuel for the game, and so his ability to adjust
routes on the fly and understand how to attack people
is really unique and that, you know, obviously gives us
a lot of confidence to use him in a lot
of different ways.
Speaker 6 (38:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
He reminds me a little bit of JS and the
Seahawk Kid from Ohio State, where everybody said, well, I
didn't run that well, and it's like, all I know
is he's open and never nobody's catching him, and he's
always open when this a playoff spot is on the line.
I feel like this year you've always been great offensively.
Nobody questions that, but I do feel like year two
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in the Big Ten felt different. I think you addressed it.
I think you're bigger. I think you've recruited the interior
D line. If I said go back one year, how
are you more Big ten capable or prepared this year
than last? Just based on the weather, the games, the travel,
and all the nuances of the conference.
Speaker 12 (39:08):
Yeah, I mean we made some adjustments. I think in travel,
we've made some adjustments in our approach. I think you
know you mentioned the depth I think had our team had,
the amount of injuries or guys missing time that we've
had this year, I don't know that we would have
been able to withstand that as much. And so each
year that goes on, our roster gets more talented and
gets deeper, and you need that in this league when
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you play the schedule that we do, you're just you're
going to have to have different guys step up throughout
the year and continue to play at a high level
because it's a challenge every single week. And so yeah,
I just think every part of our program just continues
to get better and better. And you know, when you
do that, you're more ready for these games and you
have a chance to finish more of them.
Speaker 7 (39:47):
So we're doing that now and it's just going to
continue to.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Grow from here minute left.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
I don't know if you've noticed your former quarterbacks in Chicago.
He's on a little bit of a heater right now, Coach,
have you noticed that.
Speaker 12 (39:57):
I have noticed that all the people that rode them off,
right he can't play ball now?
Speaker 7 (40:03):
Look at him?
Speaker 1 (40:04):
Yeah, no, he thought there are top the NFC North.
He's playing well and he's great in the fourth quarter,
which is really hard as a young player.
Speaker 12 (40:11):
You notice that I do and I think, you know,
I think then coming in there has given him a
lot of confidence.
Speaker 7 (40:16):
I think it's added a lot of stability to the situation.
Speaker 12 (40:19):
And for any quarterback, especially a young quarterback, like having
that stability and a coaching staff and and and I
think just.
Speaker 7 (40:27):
That confidence to bring into the offense to him.
Speaker 12 (40:29):
The entire team, I know talking to Caleb, you know,
the entire organization feels that.
Speaker 7 (40:33):
He feels that. And I think that's why you're seeing
them win some of these close games. And yeah, I
think both he and that team are just scratching the surface.
It'll be fun to watch their run.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
All right.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
It is going to be at least it's on the
West Coast. No, you're not losing time zones. It's gonna
be probably a little wet, but it's going to be
the game of the year on the West Coast for sure,
in one of the games of the year in college
football Oregon and USC.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
And I can't wait. And it's great seeing you.
Speaker 7 (40:57):
Thanks calling.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
I don't be a good one, you ate.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
I'm telling you j Mac that mkayle Lemon kid. He's
got a little JSN like he is average. I just
saw a number here he's averaged in one hundred and
nine yards a game, and he's not a burner. And
that's what they said about JSN. I mean, listen, JSN
is this kid's a mock first round, right. All the
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mocks have him in the first round. If the ball
is in his sphere, he catches it. He wins every
fifty to fifty ball, all of them.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
You know.
Speaker 10 (41:30):
I like most about the US he comeback was they
were down early and it was like, oh, here we
go again, and they fought back. Impressive victory. I'm not
ruling out the upset against Oregon. I know we got
some Oregon staffers here. I know Oregon's better, they're favored.
Let's just take a deep breath. US he's going to
be in this game. This will not I don't think
this will be a thirty point blowout.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
No no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
I think it's I watch I watched Oregon play Iowa,
USC play Iowa. I think it's a very very competitive game.
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We don't want to waste any time here. We do
it every Monday. Where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong,
and let's strip it where Colin was right. Well, I
picked Denver to win the AFC West. I said Kansas
City would be good, but a wildcard team. And you know,
I love bon Knicks and I thought yesterday, especially on
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that last drive, Bo Knicks looked like the veteran quarterback.
I just think Denver's got a better roster right now.
I didn't think that two years ago. But Chris Jones
is not playing at the level he was a couple
of years ago, So I was right on that.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
I didn't think it was.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
A controversial take when I said Denver's going to win
this division and Kansas City will finish second.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
But I've been higher on the Chiefs than almost everybody
else at this network because Andy and Brett Veach and
Patrick Mahomes, the three teams they're battling for a wild
card spot have all beaten them, The Chargers, the Jags,
and the Bills, and they're all in five and one
score games, and I just don't think their defense feels
is intimidating. And I think Patrick Mahomes is still remarkable.
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That's not a very good pick. And I think in
the last couple of years it's feels like Josh Allen's
more dynamic. So I've been a little higher on Kansas City,
maybe because I've seen them turn it around and had
sluggish two or three game spots, but I don't think
they're in a.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Good spot right now. Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
I said week one, I said Ben Johnson's the right coach.
You can talk about Caleb, but what I see from
Ben Johnson, I see what I saw in Detroit. He's
going to clean it up. The Bears are five and
one in one score games, and I don't think what
I said as a revelation, but it became very crystal
clear by week two, three and four that the identity
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of the team was not going to beat Caleb.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
It was going to be Ben.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Johnson, precision, a run game, and an interior old line
that they bought in the offseason. I've also always said
young quarterbacks are better with young offensive coaches. Once again,
Lafleur with Jordan Love helped McVay with a young golf help.
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Ben Johnson with Caleb has become crucial where Colin was wrong.
Maybe I'm a little tough on brock Party. I thought
he was great yesterday, having not played for a couple
of months. He and George Kittle are money together when
they connect. Kittle and brock Purty have a one forty
one career passer rating yesterday, three touchdowns accurate. They're able
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to move the pocket, good in the red zone. Listen,
he adds mobility. I'm kind of tough on him, but
I thought yesterday he kind of blew me away.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
The one quarterback in the twenty twenty four class I
was skeptical of with JJ McCarthy, and I kept saying,
what's the wow trade, folks. He's got a sixty two
passer rating that's the worst of any starter in the league.
And Justin Jefferson is disappearing slowly and his body language
is telling you he's not taken it well. I just
think trust your eyes. Does a quarterback feel a little overwhelmed?
(04:05):
His body language, his feet. I think he's got a
good enough arm. I think he moves well enough. But
his misses are confidence misses, and I think that tells
you right now he's not sure of JJ McCarthy, and
he was the one quarterback I just didn't get.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
And so far I'm right where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
I didn't think Brent Venables was the best pick in Oklahoma,
and I didn't think Oklahoma would be that great in
the SEC. I was wrong on both counts. They have
allowed the fewest points in the SEC. It's the mess
defense in the conference. Venables has created an identity. He
went and found a great quarterback but I mean, they've
beaten Bamnon back to back years and were the better
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team and forced them into uncharacteristic mistakes.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
So, you know what, I.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Thought Texas would be the better of the two Big
twelve teams going to the SEC. But I don't know
what Texas's identity is. I know what Oklahoma's is. They
are physical, they are tough. They got a little bit
of a Georgia field to him. And I was wrong
where Colin was right. I did not like Detroit when
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Ben Johnson left. Hiring somebody in the building make it
a global search. Well, the Lions defense. In three of
Detroit's losses, they've scored thirteen, seventeen and nine points. I'm
sorry with that offensive line and those backs and those receivers.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
That's not good enough.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
They're down in third down percentage, rushing, passing yards per play.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
They're not even good on fourth down.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Right now, I think when you lose an elite coach
or a coordinator, don't just look inside the building. You
gotta go open your eyes up to every candidate in
the country.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
I think I was right on that with Detroit. Where
Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
I had said multiple times this year I had heard
that Brian Kelly just didn't want to grind anymore, and
he may have taken that LSU.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Job for the money.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
What do you know, Bruce Feldman reporting he cashed out,
spent more time golfing than around the building. I had
two people tell me in the last calendar year that
you know what it happens, You get into your sixties
and you kind of lose the drive, and he didn't
really have it. That was an opportunity to make some money.
(06:27):
He's been a great coach. I don't necessarily hold it
against him. I hope it doesn't happen to me. But
what I had heard from two people I trust turned
out to be true, and Bruce Feldman's reporting doubled down
on that. Colin right, Colin wrong. And with that, Matt
Hasselbeck every Monday eighteen years in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
So it's funny.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Look at you.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
You're in Chicago now just cashing checks, not doing the grind.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
I'm cashing checks so I could buy another Winner coat,
is what I'm doing with my money.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
So end boots and boots.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
So Kansas City's five and five, and you can really
go two ways on it. But the one thing that
jumps out to me, Matt is when Chris Jones a
couple of years ago had an Aaron Donald field, where
like they just moved him around the line and you.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Couldn't block him.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
He's not that now, and I don't think the defense
fields as fast or as intimidating. I wish I could
be more positive, but I don't love what I see.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
I felt at the end of that game.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
I'm like, I thought Denver was controlling Kansas City, they
were controlling the clock, they had better weapons. That's what
it felt like to me. What say you, Well, it
was a great game. The game could have gone either way.
And I feel like that was their season last year.
They just won all those close games last year. You know,
that's really what happened.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Early in the year.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
They just said, oh, they don't have their wide receivers
and that's the problem. But I think if you really
look at it, I think turnover margin is a thing.
You mentioned Chris Jones and what he used to be
just wreaking havoc up front that created turnovers for their defense.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Turnover margins a thing.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
But I think if I were to point to one thing,
everyone else has just gotten better. Like the Denver Broncos
are way better. Bo Nix is better than what the
Chiefs used to have to go up against. And I
think that's the thing. No different this Weeklex, Listen, do
you believe in the Chiefs come play?
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Are they a playoff team?
Speaker 5 (08:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Probably a playoff team. Do you believe in them? Can
they go on the road?
Speaker 6 (08:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (08:19):
But like now they're going to They got the Colts
this week. They got the Colts this week. Colts are better,
Like everyone's better. So just doing what you've always done
isn't gonna work for Kansas City. They got to find
ways to win these close games against better competition.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Now, you know Caleb and bo Nicks I said this
last week, They're durable, They're inconsistent, they're uneven, but both
feel pretty confident late. It's almost like Bo is hard
on himself and it's kind of tough on himself and
comes in a little anxious and lightens up as the
game goes. What did you make of his last drive?
(08:52):
Was it a play calling drive to you or a
quarterback drive?
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Yeah? No, it was a quarterback drive and it was
a quarterback play that won the game.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
I don't see those two quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
Similarly, I think bo Nicks is more in that Drake
may category. I know people are hard on him. I
see things critiquing him. I don't see it. Bonnicks is
a baller, He's a sure thing. He is absolutely their
franchise quarterback now and for the future, no doubt. The
corner route I think that you're showing there right now
that is not open. He is completely covered. It was
a what quarterbacks calling us or nobody throw. We either
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catch it or nobody catches it. The ball's not in
harm's way, and that sealed the game. It was kind
of a Mahomes esque type play. You go above the
x's and o's. It's a great call by spags in
the Kansas City Chiefs, it's great coverage by the defense.
It's a better throw and defensive backs they'll say it
in their meeting rooms also, they'll say, you know what,
there's no defense, there's no coverage for a perfect throw.
(09:43):
We did what we could do. The quarterback just beat
us there. You got to tip your cap to them,
and that's what bo Nicks did. And like you mentioned,
it's in clutch, critical moments that he's doing it. I'm
a believer of Bonnicks have been and continue to be.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
So listen, Ramseeahawks and Luck had a quality that I loved.
He could throw back to back terrible picks and he
didn't care. He had a short memory. Sam's got a
little bit of that where you're like, Sam doesn't care.
Sam's a playmaker and he's just gonna let it rip.
I thought yesterday he saw things late. When I watched it,
(10:16):
I'm like, Oh, he's just not crisp. Did you ever
get into those games where you weren't seeing it? You
have a pick, but your team needs you, and and
talk about the psychology, have a bad Sunday, But yet
that last drive you can't pouty the balls at the
one you got to drive and get a field goal.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Have you been in games like that?
Speaker 5 (10:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (10:38):
It was an interesting one. I just you know, he's
a great player and it's had a great year. He
had a terrible game, and you know, if he just
throws three interceptions instead of four, they probably win the game.
But four interceptions cost them the opportunity and the best
pun I've ever seen in my life by the Rams.
That was another thing.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
But I think for me, what I see in him.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
That I have felt is that you're so see sped up,
you know, Jared Vers and the pass rush it was
pretty legit and he was sped up, and then his
elbow was down low and then he's balls are getting
tipped that normally wouldn't get tipped, and he was just
a little bit rushed.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
It was quick to get to his checkdown because one, two,
three aren't open.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
I'm get getting to number four, Well guess what was
number four open? Like that you need to actually make
that decision too. But you're so sped up because the
defense is doing such a good job with their pass
rush and that, and that's what I think happened. I
also think that that's a team Seattle is a team
that's going to learn from this game. And you know
a lot of times, a lot of those negative negative
sam Donold plays from the game yesterday.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
We're on like third and three and third and three.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
If you're going to say we're going to be a
running team, like in the defense, the Rams are playing
dying defense at times. You got to be able to
just run the ball on third and three. That's the
whole point of getting into third and manageables. So the
defense has to defend the pass and the run and
not like third and seven to ten stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
So they'll I think they'll learn from this.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
I would chalk this up as the first game of
probably three that the Seattle Seahawks and the Rams play
this year, and I think all the gas will be
kind of like this one.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
So it's interesting.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
I always look for a team to have an identity,
and I actually think Chicago's identity is Ben Johnson.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
In the run game. But we pay a lot of
attention to Caleb.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
But I think when they got Drew Dolman, Joe Toney,
Jonah Jackson, Ben tipped his hand. We want to run
the ball. I want to make it easier for my
young quarterback.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
You know. Again, Caleb had moments, had plays. He does.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
I mean he throws that ball. He has one hundred
mile an hour fastball. But I kind of see their
identity they make. They're not a great defense, but it's
a playmaking defense and it's a run team.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
That's how I view them. How do you view the Bears.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
I think they're a team that's overachieving with a great
head coach. I mean they are seven and three right
now and like to think about who they were last
year and who they are this year. Ben Johnson, Ryan
Paul has done a great job building this thing. Caleb
is a young player learning on the fly, and as
he's learning, they're winning. He's morphing into Ben Johnson's kind
of quarterback.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Is he there?
Speaker 5 (13:00):
No?
Speaker 4 (13:00):
I don't think he is. He's really not. But they
seem to find ways to win. Whether it's a two
minute drive by Caleb doing a great job in two minute,
our special teams save in the day yesterday and given
that basically winning the game for them. Other times it's
been defense stepping up. So this is Ben Johnson. I
think the big fear with him was that he was
a great play caller, and he was cute and fun
with his trick plays. But was he going to be
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a culture setter? Was he going to bring in like
a new DNA into that organization? And that's what happens
with DNA culture seter type coaches. You set a standard
and an expectation for the details and the discipline that
are going to happen in your organization every single day.
And and like quite honestly, you saw teams lose games
because they didn't have detail they didn't have the discipline.
(13:44):
They were selfish, and I think the Bears have like
kicked that out the door with Ben Johnson. He's a
great leader, he's a great play caller, he's a great
developer of a young quarterback. I think they're ascending. Do
I think this is their year without after I say
all that, No, they haven't really beat anybody, but the
schedules getting tougher.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Here we'll find out who they really are.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
So it's hot to me.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
I think one of the hardest things to do as
a coach is create an identity and then when you
have it, maintain it. You can lose it. You can
lose a star player free agency, injuries. I don't know
what Philadelphia's identity was last year. It was Saquon big plays,
everybody fearful, they don't run the ball, a lot of
receiver drama. I almost think the I almost think the
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identity is their two defensive interior alignment, where they just
any big fourth down play, they're unblockable. Can you win
super Bowls when offensively? I kind of feel like series
Ian Good God, they're like second most three and outs
in the league.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Is that a super Bowl level team to you are.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
They are a super Bowl level team if they start
playing their best football late in the year, you know,
after Thanksgiving they got to get hot. They have all
the ingredients and who else If it's not them, who
is it? You know, and they can compete with anybody
because of what you said, their defensive line and you know,
the havoc that they reak on a passing game, like
I was saying with Sam Darnold was sped up. Jared
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Goff was way too sped up, and there's not much
you can do. I mean, he doesn't have the athleticism
that a Caleb Williams has, so he has to throw
kind of on time, and there were guys open, but
he couldn't get the ball to them because of the
pass protection. And then if you short set defensive line
that's really good. They know just to get their hands
up and bat balls and all that kind of stuff.
So I think the danger for Philly right now is
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that they did an obvious job of trying to force
it to aj Brown yesterday, and I think it was
pretty good results, but I just think.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
You got to be careful.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
I know you lost your right tackle yesterday, but it's
about Saquon. It's about explosive runs, and it's about letting
the AJ Brown place kind of come to you.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
I thought they were about fifty to fifty there.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
Now Philly fans might push back on me and be like, hey,
good stuff happens when we.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Throw it to AJ, and I probably would agree.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
You might even get some defensive pass interference flags that
aren't really you know, they're a little questionable.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
We'll leave it at that.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
So but I just think the identity of who they
are that needs to stay to the x's and o's
and not get like the distractions of front office conversations,
and we're going to force it to AJ and like,
that's just that's not what great culture and great teams do.
And I do think they have been a team with
great culture and and a winning culture and like putting
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the team first. So that would be just my fear
that they it's a slippery slope with them, and I
think they're they're doing just an okay job right now.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Listen, there's two old quarterbacks that are still on any
Sunday playing pretty high level football, Stafford and Aaron Rodgers.
Aaron now has a risk injury if he can avoid surgery.
Go back to the end of your career when you know,
I always say young players heal faster older players.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
You know, it's like the NBA.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
If a guy wears two knee braces, attack him, he
can't defend anybody. Now you're Aaron and you're older, and
you ever risked injury. Does it change the way he plays?
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Do you think?
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Well?
Speaker 4 (17:06):
Yeah, listen, I dealt with this exact same thing. And
when you break a wrist or a hand, a bone
in your hand, you immediately go to a hand specialist.
It's kind of like it looks like it's just a
whole different world in there. And so you know, two scenarios.
I think either has to have surgery or he doesn't.
If he doesn't, then he's wearing a cast. And you
know my experience when Pete Carroll was in Seattle, I
was the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
I broke my wrist.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
I wore a cast all week, never took a snap
in practice, and then for the games we would cut
the cast off and I would wear a splint or
a brace.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Can you do it?
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Is it very painful? Yeah, it's very painful.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
What you do is you hand the ball off with
your right hand for all handoffs to the right or
to the left. Marshaun Lynch was my running back, and
in fact, if I remember correctly, I think Marshaun said, hey,
my quarterback in college at Cal, Aaron Rodgers. He did
something like this to his left hand and he handed
all the balls off to me with his right hand,
and you should do that too.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
And that's what we did that season. I did exactly
what I did.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Said, you know the beast Quake game, that was hand
the ball off righty and lefty. So if he avoids surgery,
I think he could still play. It's not necessarily a
ball security thing. It's more about protecting himself as he
goes to the ground and then maybe taking snaps under
center might be difficult, depending but I think it's doable.
I've done it and uh And apparently, according to Marshawn Lynch,
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Aaron Rodgers has already done it when he was a
cow So I think if you're a Steelers fan, you're
hoping that he doesn't need surgery and it's something that
he can just cast up and uh and play through.
Speaker 7 (18:31):
Well.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Cowboys Raiders tonight, Matt Hassel because always delivers.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Great senior Bud all right, see you all right?
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Yeah, uh, you know, there's not a lot of veteran
quarterbacks in this league Flacco obviously, but it's getting to
be a younger league and there's a lot of young quarterbacks.
But Stafford doesn't make any mistakes. Aaron's never been a
big interception guy. Uh, but if he's banged up, there's
there's limitations to what Aaron can do. You you just
(18:59):
heal more slow as you age.
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Speaker 1 (20:17):
Six touchdowns for Josh Allen, He's normalized it.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
That's how good he is.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
I don't think I love Buffalo's roster. I just love
Josh Allen, Sean Tucker, ate him alive, Tampa Bay running back.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Yeah, I just there.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
It's really interesting watching Buffalo. They are lobsided and it's
just not a place you want to be in the
NFL like you you want an identity, but you don't
want your identity to be one player. And when I
watched Buffalo yesterday, I've come to the conclusion their roster's okay,
and Josh Allen's the greatest football player I've ever seen.
(20:55):
And that's literally how I feel. I feel like I'm
watching o'tawny. I mean every snap he can run, pass,
He can run and pass, although that one was called back.
He can do everything. So I generally speaking, you want
your offense to have structure, and I feel with Josh
Allen half the time it doesn't necessarily have structure. He's
just kind of making it up as he goes, and
I'm totally okay with it. But I mean, even as
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a top rushing team, I wonder how much is James
cooking the O line and how much his team's terrified
of not committing to Josh Allen every time he hands
the ball off. So it's in Buffalo seven wins, Allen
has ten rushing touchdowns. In Buffalo's three losses, he has none,
So they're not a terribly balanced team. And I mean
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yesterday their three leading receivers were an undrafted receiver in
two backs.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
That is not ideal.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
But it it just works with Buffalo because Josh Allen
is that good. Any other team when you're relying in
an undrafted receiver in backs to be your receivers, you're
four and thirteen, they're seven and three, and it feels fine.
So I don't know if you can win a super
Bowl or get to one when you're this unbalanced. But
(22:11):
I don't love their defense. I just think Josh Allen
is I've never seen a better football player. I've never seen.
It's like Big Ben, plus big Ben was very good.
Everything's a little better with Josh Allen. And I mean
he's led the NFL in touchdowns since he arrived into
the league. He hasn't necessarily had a running game until
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a couple of years ago. He's never had a great
receiving corps. He's got a defensive coach. It's just six
touchdowns feels almost normal for Josh Allen.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Here's Sean mcdermodd after you guys know Josh.
Speaker 5 (22:49):
He's hard to stop, and you know, we all know
how last week went, and you know, probably better question
for him.
Speaker 7 (22:58):
But the Josh that I know.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Is very I mean, he will not be denied.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
That's the type of competitor, type of person, type of
teammate that he is. My heart could use something a
little bit for a different type of game. But again,
I this this win right here, as they are all
hard to come by, this win right here showed showed
me how tough we are.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
I mean it's again, when you play with that level
of mobility and athleticism. I can live with picks, I
can live with mistakes. There's just I mean, as good
as Mahomes is, he's not this big. He doesn't run
with this much uh confidence and size and impact. He
is right now the best quarterback in the league. He
(23:45):
is the best quarterback. He's not the most decorated. He's
the best quarterback in the league. J Mack with the News.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
This is the Herd Line News.
Speaker 10 (23:56):
Well, Colin, this could be the last time we talked
about Aaron Rodgers for a while.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
He has some sort of wrist injury.
Speaker 10 (24:02):
Landed kind of awkwardly, hear as you see a big,
rare hit from the Bengals defensive front and it appears
that there's a slight break in his left wrist. Now
it's not his throwing hand, obviously. He didn't return after
the injury. Steelers were able to survive things to two
defensive touchdowns. Hey, don't get it twisted. They were not
great yesterday with Rogers or Rudolph. They got two defensive
(24:23):
touchdowns to pull away. Here is Tomlin talking about the
latest with Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 6 (24:28):
He was excited about the win. I just talked to him.
But that's all we talked about. We didn't talk about
his injury. We talked about the significance of the win.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Han's injury designation was questionable.
Speaker 7 (24:38):
Could he have returned in the second half.
Speaker 6 (24:41):
I don't have the answer to that, and be honest
with you, I have more information next time we talked.
Speaker 10 (24:48):
Boy, you know who you know who is a big winner?
Here your Chicago Bears. Colin looking at the schedule, Bears
hosting Mason Rudolph this weekend. I'm not saying that's a
huge downgrade, but it's a downgrade for Rogers, and all
of a sudden, the Pittsburgh Steelers six and four. Look
at that daunting schedule. I think they lose with Mason
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Rudolph against the Bears. I don't think Rudolph can beat Buffalo. Sorry,
then you got the Ravens. I think it's okay to
write off the Pittsburgh Steelers if Aaron Rodgers has to
go on IR with a wrist injury, you.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (25:23):
At Pittsburgh feels like Pittsburgh has felt the last several years,
where they're around five hundred. I will say they end
the season at Detroit loss at Cleveland where we just
watched Cleveland's defense Steiny Lamar Jackson. So that played Baltimore
so last year, Remember they played very well.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
I think at one point they were ten.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
And three or something, and then all of a sudden
they went on a five game skit at the end.
It kind of feels the same thing. They come in
with Mike Tomlin's energy and focus and passion and the
raw Ross speeches have a ceiling and after Thanksgiving things
slowly to tear right. So I kind of feel like
this is what they were gonna be. They were going
to be a nine to eight football team, and I'm
looking at the schedule without Aaron that's about what they
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would be.
Speaker 9 (26:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (26:09):
Now, now the tough question, Colin, have you seen enough
from Aaron Rodgers that if you're Pittsburgh you want him
back next year?
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (26:16):
I want him back for one year. Really, Yeah, I
want to draft a quarterback this year, and then I
want him to learn from Aaron. Absolutely, whoa because I
think only one quarterback is ready to play immediately, Mendoza.
Everybody else I think should stay in college or come
out and sit for a year.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
So hold up, so.
Speaker 10 (26:33):
You're selling Aaron. Hey, Aaron, come back to us. Yeah,
we're gonna be fine. You know, we got this tight end,
Washington emerging as a tight end, you know, Jalen Warren.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
We're gonna be fine.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
We are going to draft a quarterback early.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
You know.
Speaker 10 (26:44):
I know you want us to get a left tackle
or another receiver or something else, but we're drafting a quarterback.
We're drafting your future replacement. How do you think that's
going to go over with mister darkness retreat?
Speaker 1 (26:55):
It doesn't matter because he's got one year left. I mean,
if he was twenty eight, wouldn't go over well. But
I mean, Aaron, I think, to his credit, has enough
self awareness to go is. He's not the future of Pittsburgh.
But if any By the way, he was a great
teammate of Jordan Love. When they drafted Jordan Love, he
could have been bitter. He was in his prime six
years ago. Yeah, but again he was in his prime.
Green Bay was his town, and he was like a
(27:17):
good mentor. Aaron'll be fine. He understands what he is
now at this age. He's too smart not to know that.
Speaker 10 (27:23):
And one more follow up is that which you just described,
Aaron Rodgers coming back drafting a quarterback. Is that enough
to keep Mike Tomlin from saying, Hey, guys, the New
York Giants, So the Miami Dolphins want to.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Trade for me.
Speaker 10 (27:34):
I would like to listen to what they have to say,
because I gotta be hey, do you want you know,
old man Aaron Rodgers as your quarterback next year?
Speaker 3 (27:41):
They're not competing in the AFC, bro, They're.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Not going anywhere.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Well, I don't think Mike Tomlin has given any indication
he's unhappy coaching the Pittsburgh Steelers. So my guess he
stays he's never been he's never been a ladder climber.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
This is his job and he loves it.
Speaker 10 (27:55):
Yeah, all right, let's go to the Green Bay Packers.
You know, an uninspiring push. I had that minus seven.
You know, they beat the Giants by seven.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Did not look great.
Speaker 10 (28:04):
Obviously, there was the Josh Jacobs injury, but also Jordan
Love got ding. Duf Collin took a big hit, left
the game. Malik Willis came in and did a damn
good job. Love did throw two touchdowns after returning. Here's
Lafleur on his quarterback hit, his toughness.
Speaker 11 (28:20):
It was so gritty and tough. He was under dress.
It felt like quite a bit, and I thought he
did a really nice job of just giving guys opportunity
to make plays. Certainly had a lot of drops today
that we were able to obviously overcome.
Speaker 7 (28:37):
For his ability to come.
Speaker 11 (28:38):
Back and play the way he did, I was really
proud of him.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
I thought that Christian Watson emerged. Romeo Dobbs had bad drop,
but I thought Christian Watson, who's been dinged up, kind
of their speed guy, big body guy. I thought he
played well, and I thought Jordan made a couple of
world class throws. I think this team should stop trying
to define itself as a run team. They can't. They
should pass the ball more and hand it over to Jordan.
(29:04):
They keep trying to become something. And then Jacobs went
into the tent and I'm like, guys, you're not a
run team. You've tried all year. I know the floor,
that's his brand. I think they should just let if
Jordan's gotta throw forty times.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Let him do it.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
But I don't think they're gonna run their way to
a division title.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
I think they have to put it in Jordan's hands
and let it rip.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
So here's one of the problems.
Speaker 10 (29:26):
It seems like, you know, reading some of these you
know ex'es and those guys, teams have solved Jordan Love.
They said, we're not giving you the deep ball. We
don't trust Jordan Love to make all the layups in
the right reads and go matriculate down the field.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
So lead, we don't think you can.
Speaker 10 (29:41):
Yeah, yesterday the dummy Giants basically were like, hey, we're
gonna leave Watson and all these guys man coverage down
the field. And of course the Giant secondary stinks. So
Love had some success. But Colin, when the playoffs hit,
they're not giving Love these forty yard bombs.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
They're just not gonna be there.
Speaker 10 (29:56):
I don't know that he's good enough to take the
eight yard check down. Read the defense, it's been a
trying year for it and the defense. Michael Parsons was great,
your guy, Michael Parsons, excellent game yesterday. I look at
this offense colin they barely had three hundred yards of offense,
like against the Giants, who are one of the bottom
five defenses in the league.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
I think a lot of people are winning ugly this year. Chicago, Denver, Philly,
Green Bay. I think it's a year of everybody's smashed
in the middle. There's no dominant team and the winners,
the big winners in this league outside of maybe the
Rams or win an ugly.
Speaker 7 (30:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (30:30):
Final story is college football. It was spicy Saturday. A
lot happened around the college football landscape. One of the
things that did not happen was Arch Banning and the
Texas long Orange offense. Georgia reeled off twenty one straight
to blow open at what was a close game at halftime.
I'll let you chime in on Arch Banning, who I
didn't see.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Much from Texas since they joined the SEC, has only
lost four games, three to Georgia.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
They just don't match up.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Georgia is a much stronger, more physical team. I think
they they're a better defensive team, and I think they
recruit to it. I think this is a bad matchup.
It's like it feels like a finesse fighter and a slugger,
and they just don't match up with Georgia. Texas Oklahoma
plays a type of football that can beat Georgia and Bama.
(31:18):
I don't know if Texas does right now.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Art was fine. I don't love the receivers at Texas. Well,
they lost.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
They lost two guys to the pros.
Speaker 10 (31:25):
Here's Sark talking about their college football playoff aspirations.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Disappointing.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
It was a pretty good game recorders, and it's not
a great game.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
In the fourth quarters, at least not for us. So
I think the challenge for US now is we.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
Got we got a two week season in front of us,
and we got to get up off map. We got
to go compete, and we got to find a way
to go win the next two ball games to see
what happens.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Yeah, I don't think they're a playoff team.
Speaker 10 (31:53):
Well, they do have one path to the playoffs. They've
got to beat Texas A and M. And I know
our Texas the Texas guy on our staff.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
They got a shot.
Speaker 10 (32:00):
A and M looked like garbage for a half against
South Carolina before an unbelievable comeback. I don't see an
m as like some machine. I'll say Texas is gonna
have a chance in that game.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
I watched the entire A and M South Carolina game
and it wasn't impressed.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (32:17):
I know it's an NFL Monday, but right now it
looks like Ohio State appears to be a lock for
the Natty.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Who are they facing, Colin and don't tell me Indiana? Okay,
I know we like Indiana. It's gotta be.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Someone else, right, probably Georgia. Jmckle the news.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The
Herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Lincoln Riley around the corner getting ready for Oregon at
Aunts Game of the Week next.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
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Speaker 1 (33:01):
Since he arrived at USC they score a lot and
they're gonna need it this weekend. They're facing the Oregon
Ducks probably windy and rainy up at Austin and Austin
and Lincoln Riley is joining us live.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
I gotta be honest. I've said this on the air.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
I watched Jadeen Mayav at UNLV and early last year
and I said, I said on the air, I'm like,
I'm not sure that works. He's an athlete. He is
just exceptional. When did you watch him and think he
could be this? Because it wasn't a year ago. It
didn't feel like twelve games ago. It looked like this,
when was it.
Speaker 12 (33:37):
Yeah, we were excited when we took him out of UNLV.
We thought he was really raw, and the way he
produced there still being so new to the game was impressive.
Speaker 7 (33:46):
And then you know, Colin a goat chance to play.
Speaker 12 (33:48):
The last four games for us last year, we went three,
and one of those games he made a lot of
big plays against four really good defenses, and I think
that was when we all kind of said, man, we
might really have something here, because this kid can develop
the way that we think he can. You know, there's
the makings of something pretty unique here. And he was
just he was so much more raw than any maybe
(34:10):
any quarterback that I've ever brought in anywhere, including like
freshman and and but to see what he was already
doing despite being so new to the game was impressive.
And yeah, he's just he's worked hard, he's gotten better, better,
he's got the trust of our staff, our team, and
he's playing at.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
A high level.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Well.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
That Iowa game, and I had said it during the week,
it's going to be Iowa weather. It was a I mean,
I'm in Chicago. Our weather was better than yours. It
was a sloppy mass And you got very emotional at
the end of that game. And I mean you were,
That's the most emotional I've ever seen you. What was it?
What was it the week of practice?
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Was it?
Speaker 1 (34:44):
It was a rainy, sloppy Iowa game that it felt
like a big ten win. What was all that excitement
from that was for a team you know, we didn't
play very good in the first half.
Speaker 7 (34:56):
It was like you said, it was a sloppy game.
It was a good opponent.
Speaker 12 (35:00):
And to have the resilience of toughness to come back
and win that game was important because we all know,
you know, what was riding on that game and the
opportunity that we've created by having a good season, and
so to see the way our guys responded, to see
us shut them out in the second half defensively, to
make big plays offensive on special teams and get it done.
Kind of in that moment, was I think a great
(35:21):
step for our program, our team, And yeah, I was.
I was fired up about it.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
To beat Oregon, Indiana did it? You got to keep
that offense off the field. Can you Oregon's really good upfront?
Like first round level defensive line talent. Do you gotta
I mean, do you have to bring an extra tight ends?
Can you block Oregon? You have a very talented O line,
but it's young and you've got some depth. For the
(35:46):
first time in ten years, USC has really like Sunday
looking players. You have depth. Oregon's a handful up front.
Can you block them straight up? Or do you have
to make them?
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Guess? Bring extra people in?
Speaker 7 (35:58):
Well, we've needed to.
Speaker 12 (36:00):
We've played with about ten different O line combinations all year,
and our guys have done a really good job responding.
And listen, we know it's a really good football team,
really well coached team. You know, talent across the board,
and so you know, we understand going in that it's
going to be a challenge and it's our job to
make it a tough challenge for them too.
Speaker 7 (36:16):
So it's gonna be two really good football teams going
at it. A lot of times.
Speaker 12 (36:20):
As you know, games like this, obviously, the front, the
battle up front on both sides of the ball is
always a key, and our guys are gonna have to
go in there and do a great job against a
talented group.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
When you go on the road at OTS, it's the
loudest stadium I think I've ever been to Gainesville, Florida, Oregon.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
I used to cover it.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
What do you have to do offensively to just keep
that noise from interrupting your flow and rhythm?
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Offensively?
Speaker 7 (36:43):
Well, play good?
Speaker 12 (36:45):
That helps right now, That's part of going on the road.
And I think the fortunate thing in the in this
league is you know, just about all the places that
you go have a really good home atmosphere and have
that challenge, and going on the road is always tough.
Speaker 7 (36:58):
You got to be able to handle it.
Speaker 12 (36:59):
You got a community, Kate, you know, their crowd and
all that do a great job up there. That's what's
going to make the atmosphere fun and we our guys
have got to go in and handle it.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
Will So when you you have a receiver makaile Lemon
and I was talking to an NFL guy and he said,
what do you make of him, and I said, it's
just amazing. I said, any go either way ball he'll catch.
I don't know what his catching radius is. I don't
know what his speed is. All I know is when
you throw it and if it's within his sphere, he
(37:27):
will catch the ball, which tells me he's tough, he's physical.
Have you ever had a player quite like him? Which
I know that the measurables are good. He doesn't look
like a burner, but he doesn't. Nobody ever catches him.
What do I What do you make of him as
a receiving talent.
Speaker 7 (37:44):
He's really unique, you know.
Speaker 12 (37:45):
I think the two things that stand out to me is,
you know, one you mentioned is how fearless he is.
I mean, the guy is just absolutely fearless to make
any play over the middle, on the perimeter, big blocks,
you know, big catches and big moments. He's just absolutely
fear And I think the second thing is how smart
of a receiver he is. He he understands defenses, he understands,
(38:07):
you know, really how to set up routes, how to
work him. He's one of those guys that you can
coach him at times, even a little bit different than
other guys. In the room because of his knowledge and
fuel for the game, and so his ability to adjust
routes on the fly and understand how to attack people
is really unique and that, you know, obviously gives us
a lot of confidence to use him in a lot
of different ways.
Speaker 6 (38:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
He reminds me a little bit of JS and the
Seahawk Kid from Ohio State, where everybody said, well, I
didn't run that well, and it's like, all I know
is he's open and never nobody's catching him, and he's
always open when this a playoff spot is on the line.
I feel like this year you've always been great offensively.
Nobody questions that, but I do feel like year two
(38:49):
in the Big Ten felt different. I think you addressed it.
I think you're bigger. I think you've recruited the interior
D line. If I said go back one year, how
are you more Big ten capable or prepared this year
than last? Just based on the weather, the games, the travel,
and all the nuances of the conference.
Speaker 12 (39:08):
Yeah, I mean we made some adjustments. I think in travel,
we've made some adjustments in our approach. I think you
know you mentioned the depth I think had our team had,
the amount of injuries or guys missing time that we've
had this year, I don't know that we would have
been able to withstand that as much. And so each
year that goes on, our roster gets more talented and
gets deeper, and you need that in this league when
(39:28):
you play the schedule that we do, you're just you're
going to have to have different guys step up throughout
the year and continue to play at a high level
because it's a challenge every single week. And so yeah,
I just think every part of our program just continues
to get better and better. And you know, when you
do that, you're more ready for these games and you
have a chance to finish more of them.
Speaker 7 (39:47):
So we're doing that now and it's just going to
continue to.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Grow from here minute left.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
I don't know if you've noticed your former quarterbacks in Chicago.
He's on a little bit of a heater right now, Coach,
have you noticed that.
Speaker 12 (39:57):
I have noticed that all the people that rode them off,
right he can't play ball now?
Speaker 7 (40:03):
Look at him?
Speaker 1 (40:04):
Yeah, no, he thought there are top the NFC North.
He's playing well and he's great in the fourth quarter,
which is really hard as a young player.
Speaker 12 (40:11):
You notice that I do and I think, you know,
I think then coming in there has given him a
lot of confidence.
Speaker 7 (40:16):
I think it's added a lot of stability to the situation.
Speaker 12 (40:19):
And for any quarterback, especially a young quarterback, like having
that stability and a coaching staff and and and I
think just.
Speaker 7 (40:27):
That confidence to bring into the offense to him.
Speaker 12 (40:29):
The entire team, I know talking to Caleb, you know,
the entire organization feels that.
Speaker 7 (40:33):
He feels that. And I think that's why you're seeing
them win some of these close games. And yeah, I
think both he and that team are just scratching the surface.
It'll be fun to watch their run.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
All right.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
It is going to be at least it's on the
West Coast. No, you're not losing time zones. It's gonna
be probably a little wet, but it's going to be
the game of the year on the West Coast for sure,
in one of the games of the year in college
football Oregon and USC.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
And I can't wait. And it's great seeing you.
Speaker 7 (40:57):
Thanks calling.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
I don't be a good one, you ate.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
I'm telling you j Mac that mkayle Lemon kid. He's
got a little JSN like he is average. I just
saw a number here he's averaged in one hundred and
nine yards a game, and he's not a burner. And
that's what they said about JSN. I mean, listen, JSN
is this kid's a mock first round, right. All the
(41:21):
mocks have him in the first round. If the ball
is in his sphere, he catches it. He wins every
fifty to fifty ball, all of them.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
You know.
Speaker 10 (41:30):
I like most about the US he comeback was they
were down early and it was like, oh, here we
go again, and they fought back. Impressive victory. I'm not
ruling out the upset against Oregon. I know we got
some Oregon staffers here. I know Oregon's better, they're favored.
Let's just take a deep breath. US he's going to
be in this game. This will not I don't think
this will be a thirty point blowout.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
No no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
I think it's I watch I watched Oregon play Iowa,
USC play Iowa. I think it's a very very competitive game.
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