November 29, 2023 • 44 mins
Panthers owner David Tepper proved that it's hard to get the QB right.
The Chargers will probably fire Brandon Staley at the end of the season!
Guest: Joel Klatt
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I'm attacking today.
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I'm like Jim Harbin attacking the day.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
I felt like I smelled the odor of when I
walked by.
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So far ready for is it? Kim Kardassian's not right. No, no,
it's not Kim kardakshy. Maybe it's just lunch with my
daughter and she tells dad what the actual needs and
the dad complies. You know, when you have daughters, that's
why it works.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
My backup after Kim Kardassian was Reese Witherspoon.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Boy, she's a power player.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Is yeah, single too?
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Whatever? Hey, So Joe Clatt in a couple of minutes.
So David Tepper is the owner, the impulsive and very
wealthy owner. I think he's first or second richest owner
in the league. You know, everybody now is just bailing
on Bryce Young, who my people thought he was the
best quarterback. I thought he was the best quarterback. So
here's David Tepper who just fired the coach about Bryce
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Young and his struggles.
Speaker 5 (01:48):
We preferred Bryce. He was our number one pick. We
had a lot of conviction. Everything that's right and everything
that's wrong. Care ultimately is my fault. Okay, I have
the final say. But as far as those desicions, whether
it's Frank right or it's Brayce Young, those decisions were made,
and in the case of Bryce it was almost I
believe it was Unanisi's decision, and the coaches and in
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the scouts have very strong opinions at the time, and
I think everybody in this building would share this sentiment.
We are totally confident in that pick.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Okay, I know everybody that's anonymous on the internet thinks
they could do a better job. It's really hard to
get the quarterback right. I'll give you an example. USC
has seven national championships. They've had ten to fifteen great,
not good, great college quarterbacks at USC. One Carson Palmer
is considered a star, a star quarterback in the NFL. Ever,
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and the whole program. Ever, Ohio State's arguably first second
best program ever had a dozen great quarterbacks one c J. Stroud,
and this season isn't finished yet looks like a home run.
That's the same number, by the way, for USC and
Ohio State as Miami m and O Miami of Ohio
had Big Ben. It is hard to get it right.
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Everybody knows that that's an adult. Where you land is
a huge part of it. Who's your coach, what's the GM,
what's the owner? Jared Goff Fisher to McVeigh, bust to
eventually a Super Bowl, Tua couldn't be a full time starter,
look like a bust to now getting MVP chatter. Trevor
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Lawrence brutal first ten games, now gets to the playoffs,
leads and wins divisions. Right where you land matters. C J.
Stroud got a great coach. The Niners knew he was
going to be a great coach to meet go Ryans.
Their defense is not as good this year without him.
He's also very good. They also hit on several picks
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skill players, They got speed and options. Carolina stinks they
got nothing to work with. So where you land matters,
and right now, and when you're younger, the younger anybody is,
the more reliant they are on where they land and
the guidance and the support they get. Once you get
in your forties and fifties, you know what you're doing,
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you have the confidence built up, you got some net worth,
you have connections. When you're twenty two to twenty three
to twenty four year old kid man woman, where you land,
the support you get really matters. So let me give
you Bryce Young's first ten games with an awful roster,
offensively awful. He's one to nine, completing about sixty two
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percent of his throws nine TD's eight picks and a
seventy five passer rating. We do a blind resume for
our radio audience. Who's the kid on the right that
he's better than, hmmm, Trevor Lawrence. Trevor Lawrence first ten games,
lower passer rating, worse TDed interception ratio, significantly lower completion
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percentage two and eight. I got all the all the
Twitter pushback on Trevor Lawrence. He's pretty good in me
and not Mahomes, it's pretty good. So it's just this
whole thing is about where do you land, who do
you have, who do you not have? Who's your support? Now?
Does Bryce Young look a little small? Yes, we knew that,
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but he actually moves well. But they they are moving
from one kind of offense Matt Ruhle, to the other
one Frank Reich, and they don't have the personnel to
do it. So I think I always said in the
modern era, now last ten years, I'm going to give
you Thanksgiving of your second year, right, Thanksgiving of your
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second year because Bryce Young, you know, high school's more
sophisticated now, the quarterback camps are more sophisticated. Now, I'm
not going to give you four years like Eli Manning
or three. I'm not going to do that. And he
does look small and I worry about his health, but
I think it's totally unfair to judge him now. Full disclosure,
I liked him more than CJ. Stroud, so I'm pulling
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for the kid right to be right. And c J.
Stroud does look great, But c J. Stroud's got better
players on the outside, more speed, appears to have a
better coach. They hit on multiple picks. They had a
second first round pick Will Anderson. He's been a great
edge rusher. So they got dudes, and they're not They
got they got dudes, are not.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Paying any of them.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
So Houston's got a cheap, talented roster and good for them.
Could not be happier. We've got people in our staff
from Houston. We're very, very happy for him. For the
first time ever, we use him as a topic. Speaking
of topics, Michigan Ohio State the most watched college football
regular season game.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
I think it was ever.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Joel Clatt was on the call the voice of college football,
Joel Klatt on a Wednesday, joining us nineteen plus million viewers,
the most watched regular season game since.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Twenty eleven. What's up, man?
Speaker 1 (06:50):
That was big.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
It was a big game. It was a very big game.
And you did not appear nervous. You were on it.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
And of the many things you talked about, we had
discussed this that, what Harbaugh has done and a lot
of it. I don't blame Ryan Day. They have recruited
wide receiver talent so well they get the ball to them. Sure,
Michigan does not have Ohio State's wide receiver talent. No,
And they're a power football program. And I thought in
the second half we watched what Michigan's become. Yeah, they
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just say, fellas, get behind the whole line and we're
getting the yard. Yeah. This is you know, this is
this is a program that has developed itself into you know,
one of the most powerful programs in the in the
country just in terms of the way that they play.
And I think the evidence of that was that seven
minute drive. You know, because listen, this was a great
football game, excellent back and forth. Ohio State was answering
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the scores of Michigan. It was such a good, good game.
I thought both lines were playing well, both defensive lines
were playing well. It was tough to run the ball
at times, there were third downs made, there were fourth downs.
J was good.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
I thought the coaching was really good.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
And I know that Ryan's come under some scrutiny for
not going forward on worked down in the way he
handled the end of the second quarter.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
But he's good. It was just a really well played game.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
There was there was emotion with the Zach Zenter injury
and then the Korum score right half for the way
that is one of the plays of the year. Yeah,
that was a wow moment. I remember I sat there
on watching on TV and I'm like, oh, this is
bad news for Michigan. Yeah, this is trouble for Michigan
when that great center got hurt, and I thought, how
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are they going to answer emotion?
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Guard?
Speaker 1 (08:27):
So Zenter's the right guard, but you're yeah, I mean
he is the he is the heartbeat of the offensive line, yea,
which you correctly described as the heartbeat of the team.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
That's what they've built around.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
They can have the seven minute drives and look what
you did in twenty twenty one and even against Penn
State they ran the ball thirty two consecutive times. But Colin,
I can tell you and I've done a little something
to like, I would encourage everybody to go check out
social media. You can check out what I posted on
Twitter through the Joel Clatt Show. On my personal account
at Joel Klatt, I did a little recap of the
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actual injury, and if you don't mind, I just want
to express to kind of America on your show, what
you didn't get a chance to see in the commercial
break was that the injury was immediate and we all
knew right away bamned he broke his leg. Air cast
is out, card is out. Everybody that's on the field
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can see this is bad, and we know exactly who
it is. Ohio State knows that it's Zach Center, Michigan
knows Zach Center, and the entire one hundred and ten
thousand know it's number sixty five. And you can feel
the deflating nature of that specific guy being down with
what is an obvious, pretty extensive injury. Okay, And there
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are moments in those types of games when it's that
player that that team never recovers, the stadium never recovers
because it's so deflating. And let me tell you what
happened though during the commercial break, And this is something
that I've never really experienced before in my career, and
I don't know if if I ever will again. One
hundred and ten thousand people started chanting, let's go Zack.
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And it wasn't PA announcer driven. It wasn't you know,
a DJ. No one led them. The fan base starts
chanting for this kid while his parents are out there
and the team is deflated at this moment, and and
the crowd and I took my headset off because I
was like, is this really as loud as I think
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it is?
Speaker 3 (10:27):
During commercial?
Speaker 1 (10:29):
And it was loud, and it was palpable, and I
start welling up, and I'm like, oh my goodness, like
this is this is getting me emotional in the booth.
And at that moment, Michigan's team stands up and walks
onto the field. Then we come back from break, and
now you're seeing what is the result of the crowd
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picking up the team and saying like no, no, no, no,
get off the map, let's go, Let's go Zack, and
everybody is out there, and now the emotion has turned
into in some cases like rage and motivation and a
galvanizing force. And so now all of a sudden, what
have been tears and guys hitting their helmets against the
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turf in disgust and frustration. Now all of a sudden,
there's this galvanizing like motivating factor. And then the first
play Blake scores, the place goes crazy and he runs
up to the Fox camera and he goes six five
for sixty five. Zach CenTra, I've never experienced anything like him.
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May I was very emotional in the booth. Yeah, I mean,
what was interesting that a Auburn Alabama had a play
that we saw live happen and that was viewed as
the play of the game. But you were there for
the moment of the day which I didn't see as
a TV viewer, and you just shared with us, and
I appreciate that. On my couch, I thought they were
in big trouble. Sure, I was like Ohio State, so
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in one of the things I like about college football
has this dilemma, and we both love the sport.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
And by the way, going far.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Forward, I don't even know if I'll acknowledge the SEC
because the Big Ten is going to be so great.
And I say that it's like half jokingly, but I've
been looking at the Big Ten schedule for next year
Oh my gosh, it's amazing. It's unbelievable. It's like if
you took the top nine ten teams in the NFL
and they just kind of went back and forth. I mean,
it's big brands, big game, big stadiums.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
So what you do that.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
I like, college football has a dilemma between resume and reality,
and like Florida State's like, look at the resumes. Sure,
the reality is you have them eighth, and they would
be an underdog in Vegas to the seven teams.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Of course, of course they would. Of course they would.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Of course they would college football, and the rankings has
them four because it's the resume to reality poll. And
we all know the reality is they'd get dragged by Oregon.
Now they get they just have a backup quarterback. You're
not beating Oregon, Washington, Texas, Bama. So here's the dilemma.
We know. I think we both agree that Oregon, Michigan, Georgia,
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those are the best teams. They look like.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Probably Oregon wins Friday. Probably.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Hey, I think you can include Texas in that. Okay,
so you would make Texas the four. Well again, so
like you're talking about scenarios, and let's let's play a
game here. Let's let's play a game all the favorites win. Okay,
let's just say chalk this weekend. I think that's true. Okay,
So that's that's an Oregon win, they're favored obviously Georgia
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and Michigan. That's a Texas win, and that's a Florida
State win. Okay, Okay, so you can take four of
those five. Yeah, I think clearly one of those five
is not in the top four, which would be Florida State. Now,
I don't know if that's what they're gonna do, because
to me, the four best teams in that regard would
be Texas, Oregon, and then Michigan in Georgia. That would
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be I think the best final four that we could
possibly hope for as just fans from a competitive standpoint.
But you and I both know that of Ohio State
with a loss faced Florida State, I think they'd be
a fifteen point favorite. Yeah, of course they would, and
Ohio State does have a small path to try to
get into the playoff. But the question about Florida State
is a real one because the committee is supposed to
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be charged with finding the four best teams and yet
they don't do that. They always just trot out that mantra.
But that's not what they do, and that's not what
they give us. They give us the foremost deserving teams.
And the reason that you know that is that, on average,
these semi final games are won by an average about
nineteen points. Yep, they're not very close because we allow
teams to get in based on resume and or deserving. Now,
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if that's what you want to do, that's fine, just
acknowledge it.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Just acknowledge it. That's exactly right.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
If you believe that Florida State has earned a spot
in the playoff, I'm fine with that because you know what,
it's hard to go undefeated, right, And I don't care
exactly what your conference makeup is as long as it's
in the Power five. They played LSU in the non conference,
they beat Clemson at Clemson, so I'm fine with that.
But without their quarterback, for you to suggest that they're
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one of the four best teams is silly. We all
know that. If you want to say that they deserve
to be in, then fine. You want to know who
wants Florida State in? Yeah, the member one game, Michigan
and Georgia, whoever plays them. That's You're exactly right, and
it'd become a very lopsided semi final is gonna go
if if Harburn's at number one, he's gonna gonna go
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on a campaign. You gotta get to face Ohio State again.
I wouldn't want to face Ohio State again. That game
was listen you you crazy people. That's one. I'm not
sure how many people. Maybe Georgia is the only team
in the country that could have played that close to Michigan.
Michigan stacked. I agree with that. Michigan is as deep
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a team in the country. They're as good everywhere as
you will find. They're They're terrific on defense, they're really
good on offense. They can throw it. JJ made that
incredible throat to Roman Wilson was crazy threading it through
two defenders. He can run. They can run as a
team physically on the outside. So yes, like when you're saying,
who are the only two or three teams that could
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go in there and play Michigan in the Big House
on Thanksgiving week to one score, Maybe Georgia, maybe Ohio State.
I think Oregon is better than we think. I think
Oregon but again, it's it's it's it's a tiny girl
full of teams. Okay, So I'm gonna throw this out there.
You were you were there at Michigan, and uh, when
you're not being mobbed by adoring fans, you you have
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a lot of contacts and a lot of people in
the industry. You know, when you were around Michigan people
you don't have the name names.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Is there a feeling.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Because there's a story out today it's percolating Harbaugh to
the NFL. Yeah, so two weeks ago I would have
said nope, like he's he's going to be a Michigan.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Now I'm not as sure. I believe that.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
The week of the Maryland game was a real point
of demarcation, you know, where the hearing was dropped. We're
going to go ahead and just Jim's going to serve
the three game suspension. We're going to fire this linebacker, coach.
And even though they didn't do this, there was some
like almost an acknowledgement or admission that like, okay, like
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handing the cookie jar, this is the way it's going
to go. He doesn't feel that that's the case. You know, Jim,
to his credit, and I can only go by personal experience.
Jim Harbaugh has never lied to me. Coaches lie to
me all the time. They really, of course they do
about excuse me, availability of players. You know, they'll talk
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bad about players. I have a very good sense of
guys that I feel like have a really high integrity,
and guys that I think are will do anything, you know.
And that's by the way, this is not a knock.
That's just kind of what it is in every industry.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
I can only go by my personal dealings with with guys.
There are a lot of coaches that have never lied
to me, and they would and so I trust them.
Jim Harbaugh's never lied to me in any meeting that
I've ever been in. He has told me I didn't know,
So I like, I don't what am I supposed to
be like, Well, of course you did, well he tells
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me he didn't, and I I have no other recourse
other than to believe him because of our history together.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Okay, this is this is what I do for a living.
You've never lied to me.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
These are these radar So you believe him because I do.
But I think that what's what's frustrating him is that
like the narrative perpetuates.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Well, it's like and that's that's the world we live in.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
But I said this earlier, Joel Harbaugh has become politics
and religion. Everybody's got a strong opinion, and nobody's changing
there despite data, nobody's I got Buckeye fans that are like, well,
we lost close to him. Sure, the Signs had a
huge factor because we got blown out the last couple
of years.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
We lost close.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
And to that, I say, yeah, but this was your
best defense in three years. It may have been your
best team. Now I know CJ. Stroud was obviously great. Sure,
but I felt this Ohio State defense got two first
round defensive pass rushers. I mean, and so I again,
I'm not saying the cheating didn't have an impact, but
I think what's happened with Harbaugh and this is what's
happened in America religion, sports, politics, personalities. People have opinions,
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and they're not move them off moving off them. It
doesn't matter it's opposed true society. It doesn't matter what
you tell. So you're explaining like, he's become a polarizing
figure and it doesn't matter what he does. I like him.
I don't cheat or not cheater legit. You and I
have the same relationship with Jim. Yours is closer, obviously,
but he has text me multiple times, We've had discussions,
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We've had multiple interviews. I like Jim. I think he's
quirky and different. I think he sees the world differently.
I have multiple friends who have been on its staffs,
so I have good sourcing with him. He's always reached
out to me if we say something kind. That's not
why I do it. But I like Jim. I respect him.
I appreciate his uniqueness because his personality is. And then
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his family members will tell you this, he's a different cat.
And if you're different, people don't don't like different. Well
let me let me go a step further, because it's
not just different and quirky and that, oh, well, he's polarizing.
And I don't disagree with.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Jim on this point.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
He has been one of the only, not the only,
but one of the only coaches in particular that have
any amount of cachet or power in this sport that
have unequivocally come out in support of revenue share for
the players. See, when you start doing things like that,
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you start drawing the ire of people that we don't
even know their names. That's right, right, And and you know,
I I think that his stance in that regard, by
the way, he's not wrong. He's not wrong. Okay, the
fact that the revenue has gone where it's gone in
college football in particular and in intercollegiate athletics, and the
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fact that we're paying Jimbo Fisher seventy six million dollars
to not coach gross gross, Like you can't tell me, like, well,
we can't rev share with players all time out? Hold on,
Hold on a second, we I mean, Jimbo Fisher gives
ten percent of his buyout and you can pay everybody
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on his team well over what any of them would
ever make in a given year the rest of their life.
You know, I mean, like, come on, Like, let's so
he sees the farce. He sees him by the way,
he has a unique experience now because he sat there
and watched He was one of the nineteen million people
that sat there and watched this production, this entertainment that
is these two schools with eighteen to twenty two year
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old's going up against each other, peaking at twenty three
million viewers, you know, so like Jim is saying, like, well,
the players should share in that period. That draws the
ire of a lot of people behind closed doors in
organizations that can you know, by the way, come around
and start sniffing around your program. You ever watch the
movie about the creation of Uber. It's a very popular
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movie out there.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Well, but I did. I saw the one about we Work.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Okay, So when you're a disruptor, you draw the ire
of people.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Netflix to linear TV, Uber to the taxi service, Go
should go watch that movie what they had to go through.
Jim's a disruptor, trips.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
To Rome, that's right. You remember the satellite camps.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Satellite the SEC schools were like, you can't come down here,
there's an invisible fence. So he's a disruptor, that's right.
And disruptive personalities in businesses draw the ire of the content.
The comfortable and the SEC got very comfortable dominating college football.
And the NCAA doesn't like him, They just don't. He's
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an existential threat. The way the way that he thinks,
the way that he operates is so not in line
with what the NCAA wants. They just they want control.
They don't want to change. They want to be rigid
and operate like they always have before. And it's like, well.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
That ain't gonna be the way that it goes.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
And disruptors have courage. Jim's got courage. That's what I
like about him. Jim is willing to be hated by.
And for the record, I'm telling you watch the Uber movie.
We work those people beyond everything else. You could say
they're brilliant. Uh, it doesn't care if it's Elon Musk, whoever.
It is.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
People willing to be hated.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
We need those because they break barriers and they make change.
They force change. Jim makes the ncaa look at themselves.
I just wonder if they're going to be overly punitive
because I was talking to Nick right about this, and
I said, our judicial system, there's levels of crimes. This
by Michigan is like the lowest of misdemeanors.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Well, to me to.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Your point, just really quick, before you finish your thought.
They're talking about changing the rule that is in question
here advanced in person scouting to be like okay, like
this was a loophole, Oh so now it's really not
that So anyways, continue So your point you continue. I mean,
my takeaway is what you're telling me is the NCAA
is like, yeah, it was kind of stupid. The in
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person scouting rule that came in nineteen ninety four was
put there because there at the time was a barrier
to advanced in person scouting and based on resources.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
And it's like that ain't there anymore.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
So they're talking about doing away with that. We'll see
where that goes, Okay. I would also, by the way,
I'd be remiss if we didn't touch on the Ohio
State side, just because this narrative surrounding Ryan Day as
if like Ohio State needs to go out and do
something that's absurd. They're fine, They're absolutely fine. The margins
are very thin. Michigan is on a historic run. They've
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done a remarkable job. That was an incredible game that
came down to plays in the last thirty seconds on
the road. Like, by the way, even Ohio State, if
you go to the Michigan paths of the game, it
was like Houdini.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
Yes, it's like it's in replay.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
If we have it, how is it completed? Like to
beat Ohio State, you needed one of the three or
four biggest passes of the year. The other one was
on Alabama Auburn on an Earth Network. It's like sometimes
amazing happens. And the thing about it is is like
Ryan is one of the best coaches in America, and
there's no other path that you can take if you're
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Ohio State that makes you better right away. See, And
you can't just change for change sake. You got to
change to be better, and you can't do that. So
he's going to go back to work, and I guarantee
you Ohio State will continue to push and push until
they can close those margins and the like this will
go back and forth. It just it will. And I
can't wait to kind of see how that all plays out. Okay,
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So show me Klass top ten. I'm not going to
do the nonsense college football playoff top ten. That's two class.
So I'm going to tell you who I am. I
tend to root for what I think is the best
TV and the best product. Okay. So I'm going to
tell you who I want in the final four based
on I think they're the best teams.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
I don't care the order. Michigan, Georgia, Oregon, Texas. I
agree with that, I think that would be the best
final four the week you get it would be the
most competitive semi final games and potentially championship. Not a
knock on Washington. They're a nine and a half point
dog on a neutral field for a reason. By the way,
if they win, oh I'm happy. It's been great because
you prove that twice. That's right, you know, so of
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course you're you're in there, and so I would put
that caveat on there as well. Michigan, Georgia, Oregon Texas.
I think it would be the best four because but
for the record, those are all elite, top ten recruiting teams.
We don't have any faker who got in there because
they're you know, undefeated. These are like powerhouse recruiting program.
The question I would have, where do you stand on
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Bama upsets Georgia. So let's say all the favorite that's
Bama upsets Georgia. Okay, okay, let me think about that
right now.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
So that's a Michigan win.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
So it's win win, Okay, So I do Michigan Oregon Texas.
Here's my here's my problem. It's not fair for Michigan
to have to face Ohio state. Again, I don't think
that's fair. Well, Bama would would go a one loss
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SEC champion game, but I'd put Dama and make them
face Michigan first game.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Which, so you're okay with Georgia missing the playoff?
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Why why? I'm just saying, twenty nine game winning streak,
two time defending national champnel.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
I don't know if the committee is going to do that.
For the record, I'm not anti Georgia.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
I think there's there is a scenario where Oregon gets
left out and here's here's here's just hold on me.
I'm just saying, I'm just gonna paint the picture ages.
I'm painting a picture here. Michigan wins, Alabama wins, Oregon wins,
Texas wins. Okay, they're not leaving the SEC champion out.
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That means Alabama's in. Now what seed I'm not sure.
Guess who goes in? For sure? Because of that, Texas
they have to they beat Alabama in Tuscaloosa.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
That leaves one spot Oregon, Georgia. I take Oregon. Okay.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Oregon losing earlier in the year in one of the
toughest places in America to play on a last second
field goal miss when they gained five hundred yards.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
Okay, yeah, I'm taking Oregon.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
By the way, the committee did not include Utah in
the top twenty five, which is a vital piece to
their resume if they were trying to compete with Georgia.
Who does get a piece of that resume because guess
what the committee has done at the back end of
the rankings. Tennessee weirdly twenty one, Utah ranked. There is
a scenario everybody who's a better program right now? Utah
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or Tennessee the last ten years Utah, Utah not even closed.
Who's the better program? Oregon or Georgia? Well, Georgia, Oregon's
not down as far as you think. I'm just telling
you there there is a chance that that Oregon gets
left out.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
It would be outrageous.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
You can't lose in the last game and make it
in if there's aye but hold.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
On, but hold on.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Ohio State fan would be sitting here saying, like, but wait,
you did lose your only tough game of the year,
just like we lost our only tough game of the year.
But because some administrator in your conference says that the
best two teams go to the conference championship game, you
get to get out of jail free card, and we don't.
You know what I would say, so Oregon gets get
out of jail free card. No, I would say timing matters.
When you win games and lose games matter. By the way,
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the Warriors lost to the Kings last night. If they're
playing a game seven in the playoffs, it does. It's
changed when you lose.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Here's another thing.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
You're allowed to lose on the road, Bama. Apparently not
if you're Ohio State. They just lost the last game. Oh,
but so if it was week six, I think about
it differently. I will know we wouldn't because the way
that the Big Ten crowns their champ is that we're
we've got two divisions. So Ohio State doesn't get just
out of semantics, just out of the fact that, like
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one league deemed a couple of years ago, like hey,
we should do away with the division. Another reason you
and I should run this whole thing. I'm just saying
Oregon has a huge get out of jail free card.
If it comes down to it and Alabama beach Georgia,
the debate will be Georgia and Oregon. And I'm not
sure the Ducks win that debate. They killed them last year.
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They're the two time defending national champion, they just won
twenty nine games in a row, and you're going.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
To keep them at home because they are the neutral.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Where are they're big wins?
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Well, the committee would tell you the Tennessee win was
a great win. Where Georgia's big wins.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Well, it's the Tennessee wins bigger than the will have Washington,
which hasn't lost since the Nixon administrative. They have lost
a regular season game forever. Washington's a real team. Who
would George's big win be tennis?
Speaker 3 (31:10):
I think I think that.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
I think that you are discounting the power of of
of Georgia and the SEC. No, I'm not in that
committee room, you know, I'm right, Like, that's what it'll
come down to you j mak.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
I hear you over here. You're like grumbling, but like,
that's what it will come down to. I haven't heard
you chime in. Are you taking Joel Klatt?
Speaker 4 (31:29):
Are you taking Georgia over Oregon in that scenario?
Speaker 3 (31:32):
I'll tell you Saturday night, Oh come on, that is outrage.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
Float that and then not give your thoughts.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
I would have a really hard time keeping Georgia out
of the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Okay, oh thank goodness.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Where are their defense? Isn't as good as Michigan's.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Where are their big wins this year? They're not the
same as the last two years. They don't look the same.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Someone beat them.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
I listen, I don't disagree with you. I don't disagree
with you. They're not what they have been the last
couple of years. Where's their loss? Well, but you're saying Alabama, Okay,
Alabama's the weakest they've been in a while. Maybe maybe
this is Waffle City. It's not Waffle City. I'm just saying,
like the Organs getting the benefit of the doubt right now,
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they get to play their conference championship game. They don't
have as good of a resume as Ohio State or Texas,
and yet they're ranked higher than them. They've crushed people.
I mean, they've literally crushed people. So guess what could
happen in that scenario? They just take Florida State and
do away.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
With the Rose. I'm just the Rose.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
I think that we have to be prepared for the
fact that the Committee usually takes the path of least resistance,
and I think Florida State with a win is going
to go and I know that. I don't think that
it would be good for college football. I think that
it would be good for them, and they would quote
deserve it. They get smoked, they would get I mean,
any of these teams would blow them out. Beat this
version of Florida State badly. They gained two hundred and
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twenty four yards of total offense against a five and
seven Florida team. Not in a good mood.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
I know, I put you in a bad mood. Look
at you, your beloved Ducks. I don't know. I'm just saying,
my husk.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Oregon's probably the second or third best team in the country.
I think Oregon could be the best. And you know
how highly I think of Michigan. I think Oregon Michigan
is a go down to the final series game.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
Probably.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
I think Oregon's this is the best Oregon team I've
ever seen, and they've had a lot of good ones.
If we could just get Michigan, Georgia, Oregon and Texas,
that would be a freaking great finals. It'll be fantastic.
I'm telling you. Starting next year with a big ten,
it's the end of the sec Those games won't even
be on TV. You got to go.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
I assure you.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Clatt, what's your podcast? It's the Joel Yeah, Joel Clatt Show.
You can go check it out. We've got a live
edition of the Joel Class Show popping up on Friday,
so that'll be streaming on Facebook and YouTube. You can
find it wherever you get your podcast as well. Be
breaking down the Big Ten Championship game and then on
monday'll be breaking down what the Committee actually gives us.
So go check it out Joel clas Show, wherever you
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Speaker 4 (38:07):
Let's start with Tyreek Hill, who's making some interesting comments. Obviously,
the Dolphins are rolling, they feel good, they're in first place.
He's now saying that the Dolphins will be playing in
Vegas come February.
Speaker 8 (38:19):
Yeah, sure of course, man, we got the We got
the perfect team to do it.
Speaker 9 (38:24):
You know.
Speaker 8 (38:25):
The way our head coach prepares us each and every week, man,
it's next level. And he keeps each and every one
of his guys in tune with the game plan and
how we keep attention to detail each and every week.
So it's a beautiful thing to see. Like the way
we practice, like the way we play for one another
is something that I've never.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Seen before in the team.
Speaker 8 (38:46):
Like I want a super Bowl, and I feel like
this is probably the better team than when we want
a super Bowl back when I was on KC.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
Yeah, you're one and three against teams that are five
hundred or better. So that's really cool. Yeah, you're a
great football player. Not interested in your personnel evaluations. You're
one in three against good teams.
Speaker 4 (39:05):
I'm not going to defend him, but if you look
at just the talent, this Miami team is loaded with players.
I'm not saying they're better, but talent wise, they might
have more than that Chiefs team to.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
They might.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Tell me when they can make a big stop and
against a really good offense, a big stop.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
I mean this week and get said, how all right?
Next up?
Speaker 4 (39:26):
Justin Fields has not lived up to the hype. You
keep banging on him. Thirty five fumbles and thirty five games. Well,
you know someone who shares a lot of parallels with
Fields is Cam Newton. And here's what he had to
say about the Bears getting the most out of their quarterback.
Speaker 9 (39:41):
Troubling sometimes to kind of talk about something that you
kind of went through yourself.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
A lot of what he's.
Speaker 9 (39:47):
How he's planning, he's thinking too much, all right. I
think when you have a dynamic quarterback like this, it's
the kiss approach. Keep it super simple, let him do
the rest. Yeah, when I had my best years in football, that.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
Was the primise.
Speaker 9 (40:05):
It wasn't the complex and kicks and Mike IDs and
hold on the safety's roll.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
This is the shade technique.
Speaker 9 (40:11):
Keep it simple, right and allowed that quarterback to, you know,
make your life easy as.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
A play caller. Yeah, but Cam Newton was a lot
better than Justin Fields. Cam Newton was one of the
greatest college football players I've ever seen. Cam Newton was
a force of nature. Cam Newton won a lot of
football games. Cam Newton got a team to the Super Bowl.
Cam Newton and I was never the biggest fan, is
an otherworldly talent in his prime. Justin Fields can't win
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games in a wonky division.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
Come on, who would we be talking about?
Speaker 4 (40:42):
Yeah, Cam was I didn't realize is six five, two
forty five.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
Cam was big Ben, but rore athletic. Cam is camp.
I mean again, I you never had back to back
winning seasons. I don't recall. But Cam Newton was unbelievable.
I mean he Vince Young, Cam Newton's been about three
or for Tommy Brazier. There have been three or four
college quarterbacks where are just like what is I've never
(41:08):
seen that before. Cam Newton and Justin Fields are not.
It's not the same thing.
Speaker 4 (41:13):
So I just looked up Cam's rookie year and I
knew this was it. So he his first ever game
was against Arizona.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
I watched the whole game. He's just throwing it all
over the field, all over.
Speaker 4 (41:21):
The field, two touchdowns, he had four two passing yards.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
You're like, oh my god, Cam, Cam was willing to
throw it down the field, not bubble screens.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
Yeah that Cam Newton could.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Cam Newton could look down the field and make big
boy throws all over the field. Now. And by the way,
then he had that accident in an automotive accident where
his mechanics I think he was banged. I always wonder
if he was ever the same after that. And again
he got a little distracted because he became such an
iconic figure.
Speaker 4 (41:50):
But he had four hundred plus passing yards in the
first two games of his career. I don't even want
to look to see if Justin Field's has one of those.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
No, I doubt you.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Cam Newton was jaw dropping. I mean I watched that
Arizona game. I remember a throwing made up to the
left side of that side. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I
was just like, WHOA, that's gonna work in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (42:08):
Those are the things you remember, like he was a
true Anyways, all right, final story, this is all right.
So Caleb Williams did an interview at the La Times recently.
We know he's going to the draft, but he was
asked whether he will enter the draft, and Caleb Williams
actually said he continues to be a game time decision.
He's got until January fifteenth to decide. I'm not going
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to say I'm out on Caleb, obviously, that would be silly.
He's good, he's very I know he's good. But why
do this if you don't want to give the answer,
Just don't give the interview. Like, I don't know, man,
some of the decisions he's made this year not great,
but the talent is otherworlds.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
We know he's really super talented.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
He's gonna go number one.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
How confident?
Speaker 1 (42:57):
Well, I don't know if it's going to go to
the Bears. I mean they may do something crazy because
that's there. They're prone to do that. But whoever gets
the number one pick right now, it's the Bears via Carolina.
Caleb's gonna go number one. Set it last year, a
year out, I set it a year out. We're set
it a year out.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
Yeah, late November.
Speaker 4 (43:17):
This is you know how the draft process works.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
Remember CJ.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
Stroud and that test thory.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
Oh, I don't know where there was Will Levisy.
Speaker 1 (43:24):
Anthony Richardson has had doubters on talent.
Speaker 4 (43:27):
And I'm willing to guarantee you personally guarantee that somewhere
in this process we start hearing of ten teams like
Drake Bay over Caleb Bes.
Speaker 3 (43:39):
I guarantee you.
Speaker 4 (43:40):
Someone will put that like you can lock it in
now because during this process everybody's reporting leaking crazy stuff.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
Just be ready for it and contain yourself.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
I will not stand for it. Jmack with the News,
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Whatever? Hey, So Joe Clatt in a couple of minutes.
So David Tepper is the owner, the impulsive and very
wealthy owner. I think he's first or second richest owner
in the league. You know, everybody now is just bailing
on Bryce Young, who my people thought he was the
best quarterback. I thought he was the best quarterback. So
here's David Tepper who just fired the coach about Bryce
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Young and his struggles.
Speaker 5 (01:48):
We preferred Bryce. He was our number one pick. We
had a lot of conviction. Everything that's right and everything
that's wrong. Care ultimately is my fault. Okay, I have
the final say. But as far as those desicions, whether
it's Frank right or it's Brayce Young, those decisions were made,
and in the case of Bryce it was almost I
believe it was Unanisi's decision, and the coaches and in
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the scouts have very strong opinions at the time, and
I think everybody in this building would share this sentiment.
We are totally confident in that pick.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Okay, I know everybody that's anonymous on the internet thinks
they could do a better job. It's really hard to
get the quarterback right. I'll give you an example. USC
has seven national championships. They've had ten to fifteen great,
not good, great college quarterbacks at USC. One Carson Palmer
is considered a star, a star quarterback in the NFL. Ever,
(02:43):
and the whole program. Ever, Ohio State's arguably first second
best program ever had a dozen great quarterbacks one c J. Stroud,
and this season isn't finished yet looks like a home run.
That's the same number, by the way, for USC and
Ohio State as Miami m and O Miami of Ohio
had Big Ben. It is hard to get it right.
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Everybody knows that that's an adult. Where you land is
a huge part of it. Who's your coach, what's the GM,
what's the owner? Jared Goff Fisher to McVeigh, bust to
eventually a Super Bowl, Tua couldn't be a full time starter,
look like a bust to now getting MVP chatter. Trevor
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Lawrence brutal first ten games, now gets to the playoffs,
leads and wins divisions. Right where you land matters. C J.
Stroud got a great coach. The Niners knew he was
going to be a great coach to meet go Ryans.
Their defense is not as good this year without him.
He's also very good. They also hit on several picks
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skill players, They got speed and options. Carolina stinks they
got nothing to work with. So where you land matters,
and right now, and when you're younger, the younger anybody is,
the more reliant they are on where they land and
the guidance and the support they get. Once you get
in your forties and fifties, you know what you're doing,
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you have the confidence built up, you got some net worth,
you have connections. When you're twenty two to twenty three
to twenty four year old kid man woman, where you land,
the support you get really matters. So let me give
you Bryce Young's first ten games with an awful roster,
offensively awful. He's one to nine, completing about sixty two
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percent of his throws nine TD's eight picks and a
seventy five passer rating. We do a blind resume for
our radio audience. Who's the kid on the right that
he's better than, hmmm, Trevor Lawrence. Trevor Lawrence first ten games,
lower passer rating, worse TDed interception ratio, significantly lower completion
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percentage two and eight. I got all the all the
Twitter pushback on Trevor Lawrence. He's pretty good in me
and not Mahomes, it's pretty good. So it's just this
whole thing is about where do you land, who do
you have, who do you not have? Who's your support? Now?
Does Bryce Young look a little small? Yes, we knew that,
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but he actually moves well. But they they are moving
from one kind of offense Matt Ruhle, to the other
one Frank Reich, and they don't have the personnel to
do it. So I think I always said in the
modern era, now last ten years, I'm going to give
you Thanksgiving of your second year, right, Thanksgiving of your
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second year because Bryce Young, you know, high school's more
sophisticated now, the quarterback camps are more sophisticated. Now, I'm
not going to give you four years like Eli Manning
or three. I'm not going to do that. And he
does look small and I worry about his health, but
I think it's totally unfair to judge him now. Full disclosure,
I liked him more than CJ. Stroud, so I'm pulling
(05:59):
for the kid right to be right. And c J.
Stroud does look great, But c J. Stroud's got better
players on the outside, more speed, appears to have a
better coach. They hit on multiple picks. They had a
second first round pick Will Anderson. He's been a great
edge rusher. So they got dudes, and they're not They
got they got dudes, are not.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Paying any of them.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
So Houston's got a cheap, talented roster and good for them.
Could not be happier. We've got people in our staff
from Houston. We're very, very happy for him. For the
first time ever, we use him as a topic. Speaking
of topics, Michigan Ohio State the most watched college football
regular season game.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
I think it was ever.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Joel Clatt was on the call the voice of college football,
Joel Klatt on a Wednesday, joining us nineteen plus million viewers,
the most watched regular season game since.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Twenty eleven. What's up, man?
Speaker 1 (06:50):
That was big.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
It was a big game. It was a very big game.
And you did not appear nervous. You were on it.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
And of the many things you talked about, we had
discussed this that, what Harbaugh has done and a lot
of it. I don't blame Ryan Day. They have recruited
wide receiver talent so well they get the ball to them. Sure,
Michigan does not have Ohio State's wide receiver talent. No,
And they're a power football program. And I thought in
the second half we watched what Michigan's become. Yeah, they
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just say, fellas, get behind the whole line and we're
getting the yard. Yeah. This is you know, this is
this is a program that has developed itself into you know,
one of the most powerful programs in the in the
country just in terms of the way that they play.
And I think the evidence of that was that seven
minute drive. You know, because listen, this was a great
football game, excellent back and forth. Ohio State was answering
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the scores of Michigan. It was such a good, good game.
I thought both lines were playing well, both defensive lines
were playing well. It was tough to run the ball
at times, there were third downs made, there were fourth downs.
J was good.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
I thought the coaching was really good.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
And I know that Ryan's come under some scrutiny for
not going forward on worked down in the way he
handled the end of the second quarter.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
But he's good. It was just a really well played game.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
There was there was emotion with the Zach Zenter injury
and then the Korum score right half for the way
that is one of the plays of the year. Yeah,
that was a wow moment. I remember I sat there
on watching on TV and I'm like, oh, this is
bad news for Michigan. Yeah, this is trouble for Michigan
when that great center got hurt, and I thought, how
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are they going to answer emotion?
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Guard?
Speaker 1 (08:27):
So Zenter's the right guard, but you're yeah, I mean
he is the he is the heartbeat of the offensive line, yea,
which you correctly described as the heartbeat of the team.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
That's what they've built around.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
They can have the seven minute drives and look what
you did in twenty twenty one and even against Penn
State they ran the ball thirty two consecutive times. But Colin,
I can tell you and I've done a little something
to like, I would encourage everybody to go check out
social media. You can check out what I posted on
Twitter through the Joel Clatt Show. On my personal account
at Joel Klatt, I did a little recap of the
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actual injury, and if you don't mind, I just want
to express to kind of America on your show, what
you didn't get a chance to see in the commercial
break was that the injury was immediate and we all
knew right away bamned he broke his leg. Air cast
is out, card is out. Everybody that's on the field
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can see this is bad, and we know exactly who
it is. Ohio State knows that it's Zach Center, Michigan
knows Zach Center, and the entire one hundred and ten
thousand know it's number sixty five. And you can feel
the deflating nature of that specific guy being down with
what is an obvious, pretty extensive injury. Okay, And there
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are moments in those types of games when it's that
player that that team never recovers, the stadium never recovers
because it's so deflating. And let me tell you what
happened though during the commercial break, And this is something
that I've never really experienced before in my career, and
I don't know if if I ever will again. One
hundred and ten thousand people started chanting, let's go Zack.
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And it wasn't PA announcer driven. It wasn't you know,
a DJ. No one led them. The fan base starts
chanting for this kid while his parents are out there
and the team is deflated at this moment, and and
the crowd and I took my headset off because I
was like, is this really as loud as I think
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it is?
Speaker 3 (10:27):
During commercial?
Speaker 1 (10:29):
And it was loud, and it was palpable, and I
start welling up, and I'm like, oh my goodness, like
this is this is getting me emotional in the booth.
And at that moment, Michigan's team stands up and walks
onto the field. Then we come back from break, and
now you're seeing what is the result of the crowd
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picking up the team and saying like no, no, no, no,
get off the map, let's go, Let's go Zack, and
everybody is out there, and now the emotion has turned
into in some cases like rage and motivation and a
galvanizing force. And so now all of a sudden, what
have been tears and guys hitting their helmets against the
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turf in disgust and frustration. Now all of a sudden,
there's this galvanizing like motivating factor. And then the first
play Blake scores, the place goes crazy and he runs
up to the Fox camera and he goes six five
for sixty five. Zach CenTra, I've never experienced anything like him.
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May I was very emotional in the booth. Yeah, I mean,
what was interesting that a Auburn Alabama had a play
that we saw live happen and that was viewed as
the play of the game. But you were there for
the moment of the day which I didn't see as
a TV viewer, and you just shared with us, and
I appreciate that. On my couch, I thought they were
in big trouble. Sure, I was like Ohio State, so
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in one of the things I like about college football
has this dilemma, and we both love the sport.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
And by the way, going far.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Forward, I don't even know if I'll acknowledge the SEC
because the Big Ten is going to be so great.
And I say that it's like half jokingly, but I've
been looking at the Big Ten schedule for next year
Oh my gosh, it's amazing. It's unbelievable. It's like if
you took the top nine ten teams in the NFL
and they just kind of went back and forth. I mean,
it's big brands, big game, big stadiums.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
So what you do that.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
I like, college football has a dilemma between resume and reality,
and like Florida State's like, look at the resumes. Sure,
the reality is you have them eighth, and they would
be an underdog in Vegas to the seven teams.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Of course, of course they would. Of course they would.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Of course they would college football, and the rankings has
them four because it's the resume to reality poll. And
we all know the reality is they'd get dragged by Oregon.
Now they get they just have a backup quarterback. You're
not beating Oregon, Washington, Texas, Bama. So here's the dilemma.
We know. I think we both agree that Oregon, Michigan, Georgia,
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those are the best teams. They look like.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Probably Oregon wins Friday. Probably.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Hey, I think you can include Texas in that. Okay,
so you would make Texas the four. Well again, so
like you're talking about scenarios, and let's let's play a
game here. Let's let's play a game all the favorites win. Okay,
let's just say chalk this weekend. I think that's true. Okay,
So that's that's an Oregon win, they're favored obviously Georgia
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and Michigan. That's a Texas win, and that's a Florida
State win. Okay, Okay, so you can take four of
those five. Yeah, I think clearly one of those five
is not in the top four, which would be Florida State. Now,
I don't know if that's what they're gonna do, because
to me, the four best teams in that regard would
be Texas, Oregon, and then Michigan in Georgia. That would
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be I think the best final four that we could
possibly hope for as just fans from a competitive standpoint.
But you and I both know that of Ohio State
with a loss faced Florida State, I think they'd be
a fifteen point favorite. Yeah, of course they would, and
Ohio State does have a small path to try to
get into the playoff. But the question about Florida State
is a real one because the committee is supposed to
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be charged with finding the four best teams and yet
they don't do that. They always just trot out that mantra.
But that's not what they do, and that's not what
they give us. They give us the foremost deserving teams.
And the reason that you know that is that, on average,
these semi final games are won by an average about
nineteen points. Yep, they're not very close because we allow
teams to get in based on resume and or deserving. Now,
(14:30):
if that's what you want to do, that's fine, just
acknowledge it.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Just acknowledge it. That's exactly right.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
If you believe that Florida State has earned a spot
in the playoff, I'm fine with that because you know what,
it's hard to go undefeated, right, And I don't care
exactly what your conference makeup is as long as it's
in the Power five. They played LSU in the non conference,
they beat Clemson at Clemson, so I'm fine with that.
But without their quarterback, for you to suggest that they're
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one of the four best teams is silly. We all
know that. If you want to say that they deserve
to be in, then fine. You want to know who
wants Florida State in? Yeah, the member one game, Michigan
and Georgia, whoever plays them. That's You're exactly right, and
it'd become a very lopsided semi final is gonna go
if if Harburn's at number one, he's gonna gonna go
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on a campaign. You gotta get to face Ohio State again.
I wouldn't want to face Ohio State again. That game
was listen you you crazy people. That's one. I'm not
sure how many people. Maybe Georgia is the only team
in the country that could have played that close to Michigan.
Michigan stacked. I agree with that. Michigan is as deep
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a team in the country. They're as good everywhere as
you will find. They're They're terrific on defense, they're really
good on offense. They can throw it. JJ made that
incredible throat to Roman Wilson was crazy threading it through
two defenders. He can run. They can run as a
team physically on the outside. So yes, like when you're saying,
who are the only two or three teams that could
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go in there and play Michigan in the Big House
on Thanksgiving week to one score, Maybe Georgia, maybe Ohio State.
I think Oregon is better than we think. I think
Oregon but again, it's it's it's it's a tiny girl
full of teams. Okay, So I'm gonna throw this out there.
You were you were there at Michigan, and uh, when
you're not being mobbed by adoring fans, you you have
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a lot of contacts and a lot of people in
the industry. You know, when you were around Michigan people
you don't have the name names.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Is there a feeling.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Because there's a story out today it's percolating Harbaugh to
the NFL. Yeah, so two weeks ago I would have
said nope, like he's he's going to be a Michigan.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Now I'm not as sure. I believe that.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
The week of the Maryland game was a real point
of demarcation, you know, where the hearing was dropped. We're
going to go ahead and just Jim's going to serve
the three game suspension. We're going to fire this linebacker, coach.
And even though they didn't do this, there was some
like almost an acknowledgement or admission that like, okay, like
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handing the cookie jar, this is the way it's going
to go. He doesn't feel that that's the case. You know, Jim,
to his credit, and I can only go by personal experience.
Jim Harbaugh has never lied to me. Coaches lie to
me all the time. They really, of course they do
about excuse me, availability of players. You know, they'll talk
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bad about players. I have a very good sense of
guys that I feel like have a really high integrity,
and guys that I think are will do anything, you know.
And that's by the way, this is not a knock.
That's just kind of what it is in every industry.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
I can only go by my personal dealings with with guys.
There are a lot of coaches that have never lied
to me, and they would and so I trust them.
Jim Harbaugh's never lied to me in any meeting that
I've ever been in. He has told me I didn't know,
So I like, I don't what am I supposed to
be like, Well, of course you did, well he tells
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me he didn't, and I I have no other recourse
other than to believe him because of our history together.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Okay, this is this is what I do for a living.
You've never lied to me.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
These are these radar So you believe him because I do.
But I think that what's what's frustrating him is that
like the narrative perpetuates.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Well, it's like and that's that's the world we live in.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
But I said this earlier, Joel Harbaugh has become politics
and religion. Everybody's got a strong opinion, and nobody's changing
there despite data, nobody's I got Buckeye fans that are like, well,
we lost close to him. Sure, the Signs had a
huge factor because we got blown out the last couple
of years.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
We lost close.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
And to that, I say, yeah, but this was your
best defense in three years. It may have been your
best team. Now I know CJ. Stroud was obviously great. Sure,
but I felt this Ohio State defense got two first
round defensive pass rushers. I mean, and so I again,
I'm not saying the cheating didn't have an impact, but
I think what's happened with Harbaugh and this is what's
happened in America religion, sports, politics, personalities. People have opinions,
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and they're not move them off moving off them. It
doesn't matter it's opposed true society. It doesn't matter what
you tell. So you're explaining like, he's become a polarizing
figure and it doesn't matter what he does. I like him.
I don't cheat or not cheater legit. You and I
have the same relationship with Jim. Yours is closer, obviously,
but he has text me multiple times, We've had discussions,
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We've had multiple interviews. I like Jim. I think he's
quirky and different. I think he sees the world differently.
I have multiple friends who have been on its staffs,
so I have good sourcing with him. He's always reached
out to me if we say something kind. That's not
why I do it. But I like Jim. I respect him.
I appreciate his uniqueness because his personality is. And then
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his family members will tell you this, he's a different cat.
And if you're different, people don't don't like different. Well
let me let me go a step further, because it's
not just different and quirky and that, oh, well, he's polarizing.
And I don't disagree with.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Jim on this point.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
He has been one of the only, not the only,
but one of the only coaches in particular that have
any amount of cachet or power in this sport that
have unequivocally come out in support of revenue share for
the players. See, when you start doing things like that,
(20:51):
you start drawing the ire of people that we don't
even know their names. That's right, right, And and you know,
I I think that his stance in that regard, by
the way, he's not wrong. He's not wrong. Okay, the
fact that the revenue has gone where it's gone in
college football in particular and in intercollegiate athletics, and the
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fact that we're paying Jimbo Fisher seventy six million dollars
to not coach gross gross, Like you can't tell me, like, well,
we can't rev share with players all time out? Hold on,
Hold on a second, we I mean, Jimbo Fisher gives
ten percent of his buyout and you can pay everybody
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on his team well over what any of them would
ever make in a given year the rest of their life.
You know, I mean, like, come on, Like, let's so
he sees the farce. He sees him by the way,
he has a unique experience now because he sat there
and watched He was one of the nineteen million people
that sat there and watched this production, this entertainment that
is these two schools with eighteen to twenty two year
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old's going up against each other, peaking at twenty three
million viewers, you know, so like Jim is saying, like, well,
the players should share in that period. That draws the
ire of a lot of people behind closed doors in
organizations that can you know, by the way, come around
and start sniffing around your program. You ever watch the
movie about the creation of Uber. It's a very popular
(22:20):
movie out there.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Well, but I did. I saw the one about we Work.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Okay, So when you're a disruptor, you draw the ire
of people.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Netflix to linear TV, Uber to the taxi service, Go
should go watch that movie what they had to go through.
Jim's a disruptor, trips.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
To Rome, that's right. You remember the satellite camps.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Satellite the SEC schools were like, you can't come down here,
there's an invisible fence. So he's a disruptor, that's right.
And disruptive personalities in businesses draw the ire of the content.
The comfortable and the SEC got very comfortable dominating college football.
And the NCAA doesn't like him, They just don't. He's
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an existential threat. The way the way that he thinks,
the way that he operates is so not in line
with what the NCAA wants. They just they want control.
They don't want to change. They want to be rigid
and operate like they always have before. And it's like, well.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
That ain't gonna be the way that it goes.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
And disruptors have courage. Jim's got courage. That's what I
like about him. Jim is willing to be hated by.
And for the record, I'm telling you watch the Uber movie.
We work those people beyond everything else. You could say
they're brilliant. Uh, it doesn't care if it's Elon Musk, whoever.
It is.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
People willing to be hated.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
We need those because they break barriers and they make change.
They force change. Jim makes the ncaa look at themselves.
I just wonder if they're going to be overly punitive
because I was talking to Nick right about this, and
I said, our judicial system, there's levels of crimes. This
by Michigan is like the lowest of misdemeanors.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Well, to me to.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Your point, just really quick, before you finish your thought.
They're talking about changing the rule that is in question
here advanced in person scouting to be like okay, like
this was a loophole, Oh so now it's really not
that So anyways, continue So your point you continue. I mean,
my takeaway is what you're telling me is the NCAA
is like, yeah, it was kind of stupid. The in
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person scouting rule that came in nineteen ninety four was
put there because there at the time was a barrier
to advanced in person scouting and based on resources.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
And it's like that ain't there anymore.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
So they're talking about doing away with that. We'll see
where that goes, Okay. I would also, by the way,
I'd be remiss if we didn't touch on the Ohio
State side, just because this narrative surrounding Ryan Day as
if like Ohio State needs to go out and do
something that's absurd. They're fine, They're absolutely fine. The margins
are very thin. Michigan is on a historic run. They've
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done a remarkable job. That was an incredible game that
came down to plays in the last thirty seconds on
the road. Like, by the way, even Ohio State, if
you go to the Michigan paths of the game, it
was like Houdini.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
Yes, it's like it's in replay.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
If we have it, how is it completed? Like to
beat Ohio State, you needed one of the three or
four biggest passes of the year. The other one was
on Alabama Auburn on an Earth Network. It's like sometimes
amazing happens. And the thing about it is is like
Ryan is one of the best coaches in America, and
there's no other path that you can take if you're
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Ohio State that makes you better right away. See, And
you can't just change for change sake. You got to
change to be better, and you can't do that. So
he's going to go back to work, and I guarantee
you Ohio State will continue to push and push until
they can close those margins and the like this will
go back and forth. It just it will. And I
can't wait to kind of see how that all plays out. Okay,
(26:07):
So show me Klass top ten. I'm not going to
do the nonsense college football playoff top ten. That's two class.
So I'm going to tell you who I am. I
tend to root for what I think is the best
TV and the best product. Okay. So I'm going to
tell you who I want in the final four based
on I think they're the best teams.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
I don't care the order. Michigan, Georgia, Oregon, Texas. I
agree with that, I think that would be the best
final four the week you get it would be the
most competitive semi final games and potentially championship. Not a
knock on Washington. They're a nine and a half point
dog on a neutral field for a reason. By the way,
if they win, oh I'm happy. It's been great because
you prove that twice. That's right, you know, so of
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course you're you're in there, and so I would put
that caveat on there as well. Michigan, Georgia, Oregon Texas.
I think it would be the best four because but
for the record, those are all elite, top ten recruiting teams.
We don't have any faker who got in there because
they're you know, undefeated. These are like powerhouse recruiting program.
The question I would have, where do you stand on
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Bama upsets Georgia. So let's say all the favorite that's
Bama upsets Georgia. Okay, okay, let me think about that
right now.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
So that's a Michigan win.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
So it's win win, Okay, So I do Michigan Oregon Texas.
Here's my here's my problem. It's not fair for Michigan
to have to face Ohio state. Again, I don't think
that's fair. Well, Bama would would go a one loss
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SEC champion game, but I'd put Dama and make them
face Michigan first game.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Which, so you're okay with Georgia missing the playoff?
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Why why? I'm just saying, twenty nine game winning streak,
two time defending national champnel.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
I don't know if the committee is going to do that.
For the record, I'm not anti Georgia.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
I think there's there is a scenario where Oregon gets
left out and here's here's here's just hold on me.
I'm just saying, I'm just gonna paint the picture ages.
I'm painting a picture here. Michigan wins, Alabama wins, Oregon wins,
Texas wins. Okay, they're not leaving the SEC champion out.
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That means Alabama's in. Now what seed I'm not sure.
Guess who goes in? For sure? Because of that, Texas
they have to they beat Alabama in Tuscaloosa.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
That leaves one spot Oregon, Georgia. I take Oregon. Okay.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Oregon losing earlier in the year in one of the
toughest places in America to play on a last second
field goal miss when they gained five hundred yards.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
Okay, yeah, I'm taking Oregon.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
By the way, the committee did not include Utah in
the top twenty five, which is a vital piece to
their resume if they were trying to compete with Georgia.
Who does get a piece of that resume because guess
what the committee has done at the back end of
the rankings. Tennessee weirdly twenty one, Utah ranked. There is
a scenario everybody who's a better program right now? Utah
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or Tennessee the last ten years Utah, Utah not even closed.
Who's the better program? Oregon or Georgia? Well, Georgia, Oregon's
not down as far as you think. I'm just telling
you there there is a chance that that Oregon gets
left out.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
It would be outrageous.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
You can't lose in the last game and make it
in if there's aye but hold.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
On, but hold on.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Ohio State fan would be sitting here saying, like, but wait,
you did lose your only tough game of the year,
just like we lost our only tough game of the year.
But because some administrator in your conference says that the
best two teams go to the conference championship game, you
get to get out of jail free card, and we don't.
You know what I would say, so Oregon gets get
out of jail free card. No, I would say timing matters.
When you win games and lose games matter. By the way,
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the Warriors lost to the Kings last night. If they're
playing a game seven in the playoffs, it does. It's
changed when you lose.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Here's another thing.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
You're allowed to lose on the road, Bama. Apparently not
if you're Ohio State. They just lost the last game. Oh,
but so if it was week six, I think about
it differently. I will know we wouldn't because the way
that the Big Ten crowns their champ is that we're
we've got two divisions. So Ohio State doesn't get just
out of semantics, just out of the fact that, like
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one league deemed a couple of years ago, like hey,
we should do away with the division. Another reason you
and I should run this whole thing. I'm just saying
Oregon has a huge get out of jail free card.
If it comes down to it and Alabama beach Georgia,
the debate will be Georgia and Oregon. And I'm not
sure the Ducks win that debate. They killed them last year.
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They're the two time defending national champion, they just won
twenty nine games in a row, and you're going.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
To keep them at home because they are the neutral.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Where are they're big wins?
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Well, the committee would tell you the Tennessee win was
a great win. Where Georgia's big wins.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Well, it's the Tennessee wins bigger than the will have Washington,
which hasn't lost since the Nixon administrative. They have lost
a regular season game forever. Washington's a real team. Who
would George's big win be tennis?
Speaker 3 (31:10):
I think I think that.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
I think that you are discounting the power of of
of Georgia and the SEC. No, I'm not in that
committee room, you know, I'm right, Like, that's what it'll
come down to you j mak.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
I hear you over here. You're like grumbling, but like,
that's what it will come down to. I haven't heard
you chime in. Are you taking Joel Klatt?
Speaker 4 (31:29):
Are you taking Georgia over Oregon in that scenario?
Speaker 3 (31:32):
I'll tell you Saturday night, Oh come on, that is outrage.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
Float that and then not give your thoughts.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
I would have a really hard time keeping Georgia out
of the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Okay, oh thank goodness.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Where are their defense? Isn't as good as Michigan's.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Where are their big wins this year? They're not the
same as the last two years. They don't look the same.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Someone beat them.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
I listen, I don't disagree with you. I don't disagree
with you. They're not what they have been the last
couple of years. Where's their loss? Well, but you're saying Alabama, Okay,
Alabama's the weakest they've been in a while. Maybe maybe
this is Waffle City. It's not Waffle City. I'm just saying,
like the Organs getting the benefit of the doubt right now,
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they get to play their conference championship game. They don't
have as good of a resume as Ohio State or Texas,
and yet they're ranked higher than them. They've crushed people.
I mean, they've literally crushed people. So guess what could
happen in that scenario? They just take Florida State and
do away.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
With the Rose. I'm just the Rose.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
I think that we have to be prepared for the
fact that the Committee usually takes the path of least resistance,
and I think Florida State with a win is going
to go and I know that. I don't think that
it would be good for college football. I think that
it would be good for them, and they would quote
deserve it. They get smoked, they would get I mean,
any of these teams would blow them out. Beat this
version of Florida State badly. They gained two hundred and
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twenty four yards of total offense against a five and
seven Florida team. Not in a good mood.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
I know, I put you in a bad mood. Look
at you, your beloved Ducks. I don't know. I'm just saying,
my husk.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Oregon's probably the second or third best team in the country.
I think Oregon could be the best. And you know
how highly I think of Michigan. I think Oregon Michigan
is a go down to the final series game.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
Probably.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
I think Oregon's this is the best Oregon team I've
ever seen, and they've had a lot of good ones.
If we could just get Michigan, Georgia, Oregon and Texas,
that would be a freaking great finals. It'll be fantastic.
I'm telling you. Starting next year with a big ten,
it's the end of the sec Those games won't even
be on TV. You got to go.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
I assure you.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
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Speaker 4 (38:07):
Let's start with Tyreek Hill, who's making some interesting comments. Obviously,
the Dolphins are rolling, they feel good, they're in first place.
He's now saying that the Dolphins will be playing in
Vegas come February.
Speaker 8 (38:19):
Yeah, sure of course, man, we got the We got
the perfect team to do it.
Speaker 9 (38:24):
You know.
Speaker 8 (38:25):
The way our head coach prepares us each and every week, man,
it's next level. And he keeps each and every one
of his guys in tune with the game plan and
how we keep attention to detail each and every week.
So it's a beautiful thing to see. Like the way
we practice, like the way we play for one another
is something that I've never.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Seen before in the team.
Speaker 8 (38:46):
Like I want a super Bowl, and I feel like
this is probably the better team than when we want
a super Bowl back when I was on KC.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
Yeah, you're one and three against teams that are five
hundred or better. So that's really cool. Yeah, you're a
great football player. Not interested in your personnel evaluations. You're
one in three against good teams.
Speaker 4 (39:05):
I'm not going to defend him, but if you look
at just the talent, this Miami team is loaded with players.
I'm not saying they're better, but talent wise, they might
have more than that Chiefs team to.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
They might.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Tell me when they can make a big stop and
against a really good offense, a big stop.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
I mean this week and get said, how all right?
Next up?
Speaker 4 (39:26):
Justin Fields has not lived up to the hype. You
keep banging on him. Thirty five fumbles and thirty five games. Well,
you know someone who shares a lot of parallels with
Fields is Cam Newton. And here's what he had to
say about the Bears getting the most out of their quarterback.
Speaker 9 (39:41):
Troubling sometimes to kind of talk about something that you
kind of went through yourself.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
A lot of what he's.
Speaker 9 (39:47):
How he's planning, he's thinking too much, all right. I
think when you have a dynamic quarterback like this, it's
the kiss approach. Keep it super simple, let him do
the rest. Yeah, when I had my best years in football, that.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
Was the primise.
Speaker 9 (40:05):
It wasn't the complex and kicks and Mike IDs and
hold on the safety's roll.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
This is the shade technique.
Speaker 9 (40:11):
Keep it simple, right and allowed that quarterback to, you know,
make your life easy as.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
A play caller. Yeah, but Cam Newton was a lot
better than Justin Fields. Cam Newton was one of the
greatest college football players I've ever seen. Cam Newton was
a force of nature. Cam Newton won a lot of
football games. Cam Newton got a team to the Super Bowl.
Cam Newton and I was never the biggest fan, is
an otherworldly talent in his prime. Justin Fields can't win
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games in a wonky division.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
Come on, who would we be talking about?
Speaker 4 (40:42):
Yeah, Cam was I didn't realize is six five, two
forty five.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
Cam was big Ben, but rore athletic. Cam is camp.
I mean again, I you never had back to back
winning seasons. I don't recall. But Cam Newton was unbelievable.
I mean he Vince Young, Cam Newton's been about three
or for Tommy Brazier. There have been three or four
college quarterbacks where are just like what is I've never
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seen that before. Cam Newton and Justin Fields are not.
It's not the same thing.
Speaker 4 (41:13):
So I just looked up Cam's rookie year and I
knew this was it. So he his first ever game
was against Arizona.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
I watched the whole game. He's just throwing it all
over the field, all over.
Speaker 4 (41:21):
The field, two touchdowns, he had four two passing yards.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
You're like, oh my god, Cam, Cam was willing to
throw it down the field, not bubble screens.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
Yeah that Cam Newton could.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Cam Newton could look down the field and make big
boy throws all over the field. Now. And by the way,
then he had that accident in an automotive accident where
his mechanics I think he was banged. I always wonder
if he was ever the same after that. And again
he got a little distracted because he became such an
iconic figure.
Speaker 4 (41:50):
But he had four hundred plus passing yards in the
first two games of his career. I don't even want
to look to see if Justin Field's has one of those.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
No, I doubt you.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Cam Newton was jaw dropping. I mean I watched that
Arizona game. I remember a throwing made up to the
left side of that side. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I
was just like, WHOA, that's gonna work in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (42:08):
Those are the things you remember, like he was a
true Anyways, all right, final story, this is all right.
So Caleb Williams did an interview at the La Times recently.
We know he's going to the draft, but he was
asked whether he will enter the draft, and Caleb Williams
actually said he continues to be a game time decision.
He's got until January fifteenth to decide. I'm not going
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to say I'm out on Caleb, obviously, that would be silly.
He's good, he's very I know he's good. But why
do this if you don't want to give the answer,
Just don't give the interview. Like, I don't know, man,
some of the decisions he's made this year not great,
but the talent is otherworlds.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
We know he's really super talented.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
He's gonna go number one.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
How confident?
Speaker 1 (42:57):
Well, I don't know if it's going to go to
the Bears. I mean they may do something crazy because
that's there. They're prone to do that. But whoever gets
the number one pick right now, it's the Bears via Carolina.
Caleb's gonna go number one. Set it last year, a
year out, I set it a year out. We're set
it a year out.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
Yeah, late November.
Speaker 4 (43:17):
This is you know how the draft process works.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
Remember CJ.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
Stroud and that test thory.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
Oh, I don't know where there was Will Levisy.
Speaker 1 (43:24):
Anthony Richardson has had doubters on talent.
Speaker 4 (43:27):
And I'm willing to guarantee you personally guarantee that somewhere
in this process we start hearing of ten teams like
Drake Bay over Caleb Bes.
Speaker 3 (43:39):
I guarantee you.
Speaker 4 (43:40):
Someone will put that like you can lock it in
now because during this process everybody's reporting leaking crazy stuff.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
Just be ready for it and contain yourself.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
I will not stand for it. Jmack with the News,
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