June 1, 2023 • 32 mins
Albert Breer, NFL Reporter for THEMMQB.com, drops by The Herd to look at some potential landing spots for free agent wide receiver DeAndre Hopkins, one NFL playoff team from '22-'23 that is flying under the radar heading into training camp, expectations for New England quarterback Mac Jones, and more
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Monday Morning quarterback Albert Breer checking in from his house.
I thought it would be parts unknown now that summer's here. Albert,
how are you, man?
Speaker 5 (00:48):
I'm good. I'm good. How you doing. You're just back
from Paris? Right?
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me on Instagram? Is that what it is?
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Yeah? I did see it.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
It was a lot of fun, man.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Yes, yes, not not as fun as I'm sure Nantuckett
and your summer dealing up there in the Northeast, but
let's stop right in.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Hey, DeAndre Hopkins.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Released by the Cardinals while I was on vacation, and
Eric Manngini came on earlier and said, Hey, the Browns
make a lot of sense. You know, he made it
sound like he wants to go to a team with
a great quarterback. Your gut tell you he'd take less
to play with, say Mahomes or Josh Allen. Or do
you think he wants to get the bag and go
to like Atlanta or Chicago or something.
Speaker 6 (01:25):
Well, I think that's the real question, you know, like
that's what everybody's waiting on, and I think that's what's
going to determine where this thing goes. And you know,
really going back to the Cardinals effort to trade him,
you know, the Chiefs and Bills were the two teams
that had substantial draft or trade talks with them with
them and in both cases, what you know prevented it
from happening was what those teams were willing to do
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financially for DeAndre Hopkins, which wasn't close to the near
twenty million dollars he was going to make in Arizona.
And you know, as part of that, like the Chiefs
were also pursuing Donovan Smith a lot of tackle from Tampa,
so they essentially gave the contract they were going to
give to Hopkins to Smith.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
The Bills have.
Speaker 6 (02:04):
Sort of moved on. I think to re engage either
of those teams, he'd have to go at a discount. So,
you know, you sort of hit the nail on the
head there, J Mack. You know this is going to
come down to what's important to him. Does he want
to take less to go chase a ring, you know,
with Patrick Mahomes in Kansas City or Josh Allen in Buffalo.
Speaker 5 (02:20):
And maybe maybe like you know, like.
Speaker 6 (02:22):
Have that hope out there that he can cash into
twenty twenty four if he shows he can make it
through a full seventeen game season and play the way
that you know, we've been accustomed to seeing him play,
or and nobody could be able to nobody could blame
him for this, you know, for a guy who turns
thirty one next week, does he want that one last
bite of the financial apple. I think that's going to
determine where he winds up going. And you know, the
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Browns certainly makes some sense because they have the cap space,
they have a quarterback with a relationship with him. They
also have dealt with this sort of thing in the
past in acquiring Gedevian Clowney the last couple of off
seasons and having to manage a guy who doesn't practice
very much. So Cleveland like makes a lot of sense
for those reasons. Buffalo and Kansas City makes sense because
there are places where he can go and win. But
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the question is, you know, how much does he feel
like he has to make you know, especially when you
look back at the history of how this has gone
in the last couple of months and how the Odell
Beckham situation sort of poisoned the water with Kansas City
there at the end.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Do you think these comments NFL executive says Hopkins can't
run anymore. I know he wasn't great last year, but
he was playing in a crappy situation. Cardinals were a
dumpster fire. I just wonder, is this some smart GM
putting this out there to knock down hopkins trade value
knowing that, hey, the dude's only thirty one man, he
wasn't checked out last year.
Speaker 6 (03:37):
Well, So, like, there are a lot of questions here, right,
and I think the big ones are ones that we've
become accustomed to asking of Hopkins, which, like, he's never
been that fast, he's never been a great separator, and
guys like that play with a smaller margin for error.
He's been able to get it done with balance and
hand eye coordination and toughness and physicality and his lengths.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
You know, that's how he's always gotten it.
Speaker 6 (04:01):
And so if you're dealing with a shorter margin, Pereira,
if he's lost his stef, he's gonna feel that more
than a guy who runs four to three. So, like,
that's certainly a valid question and one that NFL teams have.
He's only played sixteen games the last two years, and
he barely practices at all. So that's the other thing
is is this like a Julio situation where Julio when
he was in Atlanta barely missed a game but had
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to be managed in a pretty heavy way because of
all the injuries that he'd had, and then he gets
to Tennessee and all of a sudden, that comes home
to roost. So you know, I think the league has
spoken and said that he's not worth twenty million dollars
or else somebody would have thrown a pick to the
Cardinals to go and get him. Another question becomes what
he's actually worth, and we'll find that out here soon enough,
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but it's certainly a fraction of what he was worth
three or four years ago, that's for sure.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Say more about this, he doesn't practice at all. The
guy's like thirty thirty one years old and he's not practicing.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
What's that about?
Speaker 6 (04:56):
Well, that's I mean, that's just a function of how
he's taken care of his body, you know, and he
had so many nagging, little injuries that you know, it
got to the point at the end in Houston where
he wasn't practicing at all and Arizona took him on
knowing that.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
So he didn't.
Speaker 6 (05:09):
Practice much for the Cardinals either. It was just sort
of the plan to get him ready for games every Sunday,
and he required that level of maintenance. And again that's
like where the larger question is here, j Mac is like,
if he required that level of maintenance at twenty eight,
twenty nine, what's he going to look like at thirty one,
thirty two? You know, And could this become a bigger
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problem as he gets older? Logically it would. And then
you know, like there's that question too, like if he's
not practicing and he's one of the best players in
your team. What messages that's into your locker room? What
could that do for you culturally? That's why I think,
like you look at Cleveland and having been through that
the last couple of years with you Debian Clowney and
having a quarterback that he's familiar with it, maybe he'd
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require a less little less work to get you know,
kind of on the same page with and Deshaun Watson.
And maybe Cleveland has some subtle advantages here the people
aren't talking about that would make them an ideal fit. Now,
the question is whether or not they're willing to spend
the money they have it. You know, they do have
cap space. They're near the top of the league in
cap space, and the question is how far they're willing
to go financially and if they're willing to go get
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closer to you know, that number that Odell Beckham got.
Speaker 5 (06:17):
You know, they're you know.
Speaker 6 (06:19):
Before the draft where you know again like that's sort
of what blew up, you know, the negotiation with Hopkins
and the Cardinals and the Chiefs was Hopkins saw what
Beckham got a fifteen million dollar base with the ability
to make up to eighteen million and said, well, he
didn't play last year. I'm worth at least that he's
going to have to come off of that a little bit.
But maybe the Browns get a little closer to it
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so he can kind of amend that in his head
and go to a place that I think would be
a pretty good fit.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
Let's go to the Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Thirteen wins last year, second best point differential in the league.
And I did a segment earlier I said they're the
team one of the most pressure to win a Super
Bowl this year. You got to wonder about McDermott's future
there if I mean this playoff loss they had to
Cincinnati just downright embarrassing. Josh Allen obviously got to get
to a super Bowl. They haven't been able to get
over the hump.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
Your thoughts on the Bills heading into the season.
Speaker 6 (07:10):
I think they were dealing with a lot more than
people remember, you know, at the end of last year,
and I think that was an emotionally and physically worn
out football team. You know, they're the obvious injelies injuries,
Josh Allen was dealing with the elbow. Vonn Miller had
the ACL so he wasn't playing at all, you know,
and then you sort of look at what they went
through and I feel like a lot of that got
snowed over at the end of the year, right, So
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twice that team was displaced towards the end of the
year because of snowstorms. They did like pick up their
operation and go somewhere else two times on the back
half of the season when everybody's worn out to begin with,
you know, ahead of games, and then the Damar Hamlin situation.
Obviously that weight on everybody in the organization and I
think we like tend to remember a lot of that
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as a feel good story because in a lot of
ways it.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
Was you know, like you had him up in the
box for the.
Speaker 6 (07:57):
Week eighteen game when you know there's a kickoff return
to start to start that one, and you know he's
there again when they go and beat the Dolphins, and
you know, you're thinking to yourself, like, this was a
great positive story, and again it was for so many reasons.
But what that team had been through over the course
of you know, five or six months was it was
a lot. It was a lot, and so you know,
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I think this is a team that thinks it's being
slept on right now that I think is going to
come back refreshed.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
You know.
Speaker 6 (08:23):
I think you're gonna be a quarterback who's gonna be
in better health going into the year than he was
at the end of last year. And I mean, man
like if von Miller, if they can get him back
on the field and playing the way he was at
any point this year at the beginning of last year,
now we're talking about a different football team. So I
actually like where Buffalo is going into this season, even
though they're much more under the radar than they were
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last year.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
This is why you're one of the best in the business, dude.
I did not consider that displaced twice.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
That's good. That's amazing. It's a breer. That's good. Good stuff.
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Speaker 3 (09:02):
Let's go to the Patriots just because I like to
take shots at them. It is mac Jones saga, like,
come on, man, oh we sure, bill o'bro. First of all,
let's be I need you to rank the quarterbacks in
the AFC East and then tell me, like, is there
a world where mac Jones A gets the Patriots to
the playoffs this year or B finds himself like on
the hot seat and Bill Belichick's looking for a new
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answer at quarterback next all season.
Speaker 6 (09:24):
Yeah, well, this is certainly like a big year for him.
It's a big year for everybody in that organization. But
you know, I think we've seen like the history with
the way the quarterbacks are paid as rookies, the first
round quarterbacks. After year three is when you got to
make a decision on the fifth year option, and it's
when these guys are eligible for long term extensions. And generally,
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you know, if you go into year four with that unresolved,
it can make things awfully awkward, and so you want
to find out what you have in year three.
Speaker 5 (09:53):
That's why the Dolphins, for example.
Speaker 6 (09:55):
Went and got Jalen Wannell and Tron Armstead and did
all those different things, going and hiring Mike mctino. They
needed to find out on Tua last year and they
still really don't have answers, but they saw some good things.
So I think that mac Jones has to play well
for the Patriots not to have that door wide open
after this year, and I'd even say it's a crack
open now for Bailey Zapy to come in and shock
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the world. Not saying that's going to happen, but I
think Bailey Zappy is going to get some opportunities in
camp to show what he's got. And then certainly this
is a huge year for Mac Jones, and you know,
he has to show a lot of the things that
he showed two years ago to kind of I think,
you know, not only affirmed that the Patriots would be
willing to pick up the fifth year option for twenty
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twenty five, but also, you know, get back in a
place where they view him as a potential ten year
answer at the position, because coming out of last year,
there were a lot of people in that organization that
didn't think he handled the year well. And to be
fair to him, a lot of the circumstances were sideways
and weird.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
Now you got Bill O'Brien.
Speaker 6 (10:53):
The defense should be really good, they should be able
to run the ball, and we're going to see what
they have. Doesn't mean they need to in a super Bowl,
but Max Jones got to make a lot of progress
to to to turn the internal view of him in
that organization coming out of twenty twenty two.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
But he's definitely the fourth best quarterback of the division, right.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
Yeah, I would say so.
Speaker 6 (11:12):
I mean I think him in two is close. You know,
I don't think there's any question of the two of
the top two. Yeah, I mean I think if you
look at the way Mac played as a rookie, you
can certainly I mean, I think mask up the ability
to be you know, like a Kirk Cousins Andy Dalton,
like a really solid starting quarterback, but maybe a guy
that keeps you wanting him little bit.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
Wait wait, hold on, Alan, did you say k has
Kirk Cousins and Andy Dalton?
Speaker 6 (11:37):
Yeah, I mean like that, but that like see, everybody
looks at what like when you say these things, they
take it as an insult. Kirk Cousins are really.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Good, you know, he's good. Yeah, I don't think Mac
Jones is based.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
And Andy Dalton.
Speaker 6 (11:46):
Andy Dalton, for all the hits he's taken, got the
Bengals to the playoffs five years.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
And that's never been done before.
Speaker 6 (11:53):
Right, And like I Chad Pennington was the comp that
I liked when when when Max Jones was coming out
of college, like Chad Pennington is a really good quarterback,
went to the playoffs with two different teams, you know,
So I think we I think we've kind of like
got to the point where we view these all as
yes or no questions, right, like, either yes he is
or no he isn't? And so is he Patrick Mahomes
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or Josh Allen or Justin Herbert or Joe Burrow. I
don't think so. And I don't think he ever gets there.
Maybe he proves me wrong. I don't think he ever
gets there. Can he be a quarterback in the league,
a good starting quarterback in the league for fifteen years?
I think that that's on the table, and he has
to show that this year. Has Tuus shown us that
he's going to be more than that?
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Like?
Speaker 6 (12:31):
I like Tua, but I don't know j Mack Like,
has he shown us he's more than that?
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Very fair questions?
Speaker 3 (12:36):
All right, now, since you like yes or no questions,
let's go to San Francisco forty nine ers, yes or no?
There is a quiet feud simmering in the front office
between Shanahan and Lynch about who is the one that's
settled on Trey Lance, the quarterback that now is by
far in their locker room, the number three guy on
the depth chart, and both of themselves are trying to
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distance themselves from tre Like what's going on between those
two Shinhand and Lynch?
Speaker 2 (13:03):
No.
Speaker 6 (13:03):
I mean I think that everybody's locked in, Like I
just look like obviously it hasn't worked out, right, Like
I just view them as being like square in a
championship window right now.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
And you look at that roster.
Speaker 6 (13:16):
And who they put on that roster up and down,
and what a good job they've done of building it
up with Nick Bosa and Fred Warner and Trent Williams
and Deebo Samuel and George Kittle and Brandon i Uke
and Christian McCaffrey. I mean, they're loaded, and this is
the one thing that could take them down, right. They
don't even need great quarterback play. They need really good
quarterback play. And I mean the one thing that could
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solve all of this is hitting on your seventh round pick.
And they think they have, like they think they've got
a really good player in Brock Party. The elbow certainly
complicates that, but like they don't view him as a
seventh rounder, Like they don't look at him that way.
And so whether they're right or wrong, we'll see. But
I think if you look at it and say, you know,
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brock Party could be come what they thought mac Jones
was in twenty twenty one, and they didn't take mac
Jones because they swung for the fences right with Trey Lance,
thinking the high end was better there and they could
expand Shanahan's offense doing it. Well, that's not the worst
worst sequence of events in the world, either, is it.
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Like where you took your big swing, it didn't work out,
and maybe you wound up with a quarterback that was
as good.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
As the guy you're going to pass on anyway.
Speaker 6 (14:27):
So like that's sort of the way I look at it.
I look like I think that that that organization, the
way that they built over the last six years, they've
been a model for everybody else. So you know, I
that one they say it certainly looks like like like
they got that one wrong. But I do think, you know,
even with some moving parts internally, and you know, I
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think after this year there could be some some some changes,
and you know, I think this really is the year
to get it right with the current group of people.
I do think that everybody's locked in right now and
trying to find the right quarterback and serving what's phenomenal ross.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
Very political answer, Well said.
Speaker 6 (15:03):
Look like I think this is another part of it too,
j Mac, Like, I mean, John Lynch came close to
taking the Fox job last year, right, Like, So, I mean,
I don't think it's impossible that you know, there's a
new general manager there the next year or two and
that's gonna happen. But like, I don't think that's I
don't think that's impossible, And I don't think anybody, if
that were to happen should read into it as like
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this was some sort of huge problem between the two guys.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Huh, Well, I mean I'm wondering, so if you took
a quarterback in twenty twenty one, that was I believe
the second COVID draft, right, twenty twenty Yeah, yeah, can
you get like a mulligan because hey, it was COVID.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
It was weird. You know, we couldn't do the in
depth stuff we wanted to.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
And I say this because the Jets took Zach Wilson
second already looking like a disaster, and the Niners Trey Lance.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
That's a disaster. Field goes eleven. I like field, that's
a lot of weight. And see mac.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Jones went fifteenth, and he's the only one who has
looked good at least for a season.
Speaker 6 (16:01):
Yeah, you know who else went in the first round
of the COVID Draft, Henry Ruggs, Damon Arnett. Like there
were all of these, Like if you look at it seriously, though,
if you look at it, like there were a lot
of like swings and misses. Justin Jefferson lasted all the
way to the what it was, the twenty first pick,
twenty second pick, right, Like if you look at that
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draft class, like what we were all saying at the time,
like look out now, like there could be some there
gonna be some real swings and misses here because the
teams aren't able to do a lot of the stuff,
and they weren't able to do a lot of the
stuff over the last month of the process they would
normally do as far as going and working guys out
privately and bringing them in for thirty visits and learning
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more about who they are. Like maybe somebody would have
figured out like Justin Jefferson is going to make it
work no matter what, and maybe he is not just
a slot receiver. Maybe somebody would have sat down and said, like,
sat down with Damon Arnett and figured out.
Speaker 5 (16:58):
Like like he had character she was before his last.
Speaker 6 (17:00):
Year at Ohio State, Like, yeah, he can bounce back,
but I don't know if I really trust him. You know,
Like those are the sorts of discussions that very well
might have happened if COVID hadn't sort of turned that
process upside down. So I certainly think we're going to
be looking back at that year, like a few years
out and saying like, man, like you know, like you
can see, like the last month six weeks of the
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draft process really are important because in that one year,
taking that whole piece of the process out of the
equation really made a difference.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Yeah, and that's a great point because in twenty twenty, Yeah,
I know you're an Ohio State guy. Chase younga's second
he had a good start to his career, but they
didn't pick up the fifth year and Okuda has already
been shipped out of Detroit.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
By the way, what do you make of the Chase
young stuff?
Speaker 6 (17:46):
I think that knee Andrew is way worse than people though,
like I it was, I mean, like that what I
was hearing from people in Washington, and like, you know,
December and January was like he he was having trouble
moving around period, you know, and like so, you know,
it just it sounded like they were really struggling with
the idea of bringing him back at the end of
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last year and they didn't feel like he was himself.
And unfortunately, because of the way the rules work now,
you weren't really going to get to see him in
any sort of football activity before you had to make
a decision on that fifth year option.
Speaker 5 (18:20):
The other thing is, look how much they've.
Speaker 6 (18:22):
Got invested on the defensive line. I mean, they've already
paid dorn pay, and they've already paid Jonathan Allen. And
now you got both Montes Sweat and Chase Young coming up.
And Montes Sweat's already shown he's a really effective pass
rusher and is going to command a lot of money.
And then you got Chase Young, who looked like a
generational talent before he got hurt. And so I think
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they're going to probably going to wind up having to
make a choice between the two, you know. I think
that that's what the injury has done to this where
it's like, you know, you're going to get like a
couple weeks into camp and it's like, either Chase Young
looks like, oh my god, he's all the way back
and now we've got a real decision to make, or Wow,
Chase's knee is a real mess, and now like let's
go ahead and like really get going on a Montese
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sweat extension. Get him done, and we'll let the year
play out with Chase. I think that's the sort of
situation it's sort of setting up to be, all right.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Albert Breer, Senior reporter and lead content strategist. That just
sounds cool, Monday Morning Quarterback. Thanks a lot, man, enjoy
the summer.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
All right, thanks, jam, I appreciate it, right.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Albert Breer. One of the best in the biz. And
let's go to another one of the best in the biz,
Alex Curry with the news.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Turn on the news. This is the Herd Line News.
Speaker 7 (19:36):
Hold j Mac.
Speaker 8 (19:36):
The NBA Finals tip off tonight, which is so exciting.
Now with the Nuggets sweep of the Lakers, they now
face a different animal in the Heat who became just
the second eighth seed.
Speaker 7 (19:48):
In history to reach the finals.
Speaker 8 (19:50):
Now, head coach Michael Malone isn't taking the match of
lightly calling this their greatest challenge.
Speaker 7 (19:55):
Yet here's what he had to say.
Speaker 9 (19:57):
You get to the NBA Finals. It's not the best
seeding anymore. And for those that are thinking that this
is going to be an easy series, I didn't know
what to say to your feeding people. I mean, like,
this is gonna be the biggest challenge of our lives.
See NBA Finals that this is. You're trying to win
the first NBA championship in franchise history. It's gonna be
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the hardest thing that we've ever done, which is the
way he should be.
Speaker 7 (20:24):
I don't have the attitude I do.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
He's got to.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
I can't say that word on you. He seems like
a bit of a prickly fellow. Let's just say that.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
But it's interesting.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
I laughed initially when he said that. But Alex, I'm
looking at experience in the NBA Finals. Yeah, and Denver
has like KCP and anyone else with real experience. Meanwhile, Miami,
Jimmy Butler's been there, Kyle Lowry's been there, been Metal
Bio like, they got a lot of experience.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
Well that matter?
Speaker 7 (20:53):
Yes, are you kidding?
Speaker 4 (20:55):
Yes?
Speaker 8 (20:55):
Having having finals, having playoff experience matters. Having final experience
matters in any sport across all leagues. But as you're seeing,
and we kind of talked about it on the Star
Players Aspect earlier in the show, but both these coaches
kind of have the best attitude and mentality heading into
this finals as well. It's no excuse, do whatever it takes,
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kind of underdog mentality because even though Denver is a favorite,
they've never won an NBA title in franchise history, so
they're trying to do something that's never been done before.
And then you have the Heat, who are only the
second eighth seed in history to make it to the
NBA Finals, And then he are not going to be easy.
Speaker 7 (21:36):
They beat the best teams in the East.
Speaker 8 (21:38):
They completely took out the Bucks and Yatits with the
best record, and then the second best in the Celtics
and handled them. So yeah, I mean, he's right, They're
going to have their work cut out for him.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Let me get player point totals for tonight. Jimmy Butler
is over under twenty six and a half points. How
would you handicap that?
Speaker 6 (21:55):
Over?
Speaker 7 (21:57):
Really, I'm gonna take over. Yah, He's going to go
off in game one, he.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Has to go Wow, Okay, So I bet the Nuggets
favor by nine.
Speaker 7 (22:04):
Yeah, I smell a blowout, so I would not be nugout.
You think the Nuggets.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Want a blowout, So I would look I would not
bet any overs on the heat. I mean, if there's
a scenario like, hey, there's an extra day of rest,
betweens game one and two, it makes sense, like, hey,
we're coming off a grueling seven game series. We're just
at altitude. If they're down fifteen, like, you probably rest
your guys for game two. So I would not look
at overs on Butler. However, Jamal Murray twenty five and
(22:29):
a half and Yo kich Is twenty seven and a
half do you like either of those?
Speaker 7 (22:34):
Yo kitch is how much twenty seven and a half
twenty seven and a half, and then Murray is.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
Twenty five and a half, twenty five and a half.
Speaker 7 (22:40):
Murray's been like you can't miss shots. He's clutched. He
has been like old clutch. I'd take the over on Murray.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
That's that's the guy I would be looking at as well, unless,
like Rick Buker said, the strategy is let's hug up
the shooters let's let Yo Kicch have fifty if he
needs to, and then Murray doesn't get the shots or looks,
and then I'm tissed off. So it was a gay
one sometimes a feeling out process, like a box sort
of fight, you know, it is.
Speaker 8 (23:01):
And Denver's had a lot of rest, which can be good,
but also you haven't played a games.
Speaker 7 (23:06):
Could be and what but is it fine? I think
nine days I had a long time to not play
a game.
Speaker 8 (23:12):
And then you have the heat coming off an exciting
series win, ready to go. So and you said, what,
They've won every game game one in the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
So it's a big one.
Speaker 7 (23:22):
It's going to be a big one, all right.
Speaker 8 (23:23):
Well, sticking with the finals, Tyler Hero is still making
his way back from a broken hand he suffered back
in the first round against the Bucks. And here's what
head coach Eric Spolstra had to say about the status
for the NBA Finals.
Speaker 10 (23:36):
He will not play tomorrow. We don't want to get
ahead of ourselves right now. He's still just starting this process.
We do have a few days, you know here, just
to continue his work. I can't even make any kind
of proclamation until he takes these next important steps, and
that's with contact and doing things more on the court
(23:58):
live and we'll just see. I mean, we're all encouraged by,
you know, his progress that he's made, but we want
to continue to be responsible and make the best decisions.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
He's not there yet now.
Speaker 7 (24:13):
TNT's Chris Haynes reported that the Heat expect Hero back
for Game three.
Speaker 8 (24:17):
Really so wow, look what they've been able to do
without him. Right, So if they get a weapon like
Hero back in the finals, Game three, back at.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Home, back at home, I think the first play that
he's on the court, Jokic is going to call for
the pick and roll with Murray and Jokic and they're.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
Just going at him relentlessly because he can't. He could
barely defend me. But I just came up with an idea.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
You see the Tyler Hero in the day showed where
he's got like the coral necklace and he's wearing bucket hats.
We need to do a segment Tyler Hero or boy
bander because he looks like he could be an in
Sync or Backstreet Boys.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
I know that's more. You're in my era.
Speaker 8 (24:55):
He's in Miami, He's in that fashion world.
Speaker 7 (24:59):
He's got he's got Look at that.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
I mean you get the hat backwards with the button
up shirt. Yeah, look at it exactly, the Shannon Sharp
sweater with the necklace, Like I'd wear that sweater.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
Tyler Hero.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
I can't believe we have b roll footage of Tyler
bucket hat Hero.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
I mean he's styling. You know, he's got like the
Instagram girlfriend and all this stuff.
Speaker 7 (25:16):
Yeah, he knows what's up. Okay, Ironlike, look at that
the winter hats.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Is that technically a knit hat?
Speaker 6 (25:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (25:22):
Oh my gosh, another bucket hat. You're a little jealous,
are you, Jay.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
Matt a little bit?
Speaker 9 (25:26):
No?
Speaker 7 (25:26):
Yeah? Yeah, come on, that's fun. Okay.
Speaker 8 (25:28):
Well, let's move to the NFL, where the second overall
pick c J. Stroud is hard at work at texans
Ota now. Although Stroud started camp taking second team reps
behind Davis Mills, the rookie is starting to take first
team reps with practice now open to the media. And
here's what head coach Jamika Ryan had to say, c J.
Speaker 11 (25:48):
Again, he's progressing well. I think each day he continues
to get better, continues to get more comfortable with the
verbis of the offense, his command of the huddle, I
thought this week was been really good coming off the
long weekend. It was very eye opening.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
How on it.
Speaker 11 (26:03):
He was right from the first day we got back
through today, done an awesome job and our situational period.
So he's he's definitely progressing in the right direction and
the sky's the limit.
Speaker 8 (26:13):
Frame Now, it sounds like Ryan's handling expectations here a
little right because he was a second overall pick, so
there's a lot of expectations, so there's going to be
a lot of eyes on you.
Speaker 7 (26:24):
There's that question did we make the right pick?
Speaker 8 (26:27):
And it's still very early, right because they've had the
post raft rookie mini camp May twelve through the fourteenth,
and then okay started May twenty second. But he is
telling you what you want to hear. He's saying he's
hitting all the positive bullet points.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Can you imagine if he came out and said anything
remotely negative.
Speaker 7 (26:44):
He can't Hey, she trup, Well, he's not really going.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
He's not where we thought he would be. Like, you
can't do that shadow the guy's confidence. So I don't
put a ton of stock. They're like a five week team.
Speaker 7 (26:53):
Early.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
We have a producer on the staff here who is
a big Houston Texans fan, and I think they're gonna
be just rough this year.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
Okay, it's gonna be ye. Coward loves them though. Coward's
all in that Greg two.
Speaker 7 (27:07):
Yes, Okay, it's Colin. I was like, dang, okay, all right,
Alex with the news.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
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Speaker 4 (27:20):
All right?
Speaker 3 (27:20):
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Do that? Next?
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Speaker 4 (28:05):
All right, Best for Last Joker? Or joking starring Alex Curry.
What do we got?
Speaker 8 (28:12):
Okay, So, joker means it's true. Okay, joking means.
Speaker 7 (28:17):
It it's false.
Speaker 8 (28:18):
So I'm going to give you some facts about Joki
and you're gonna say joker, which means it's true or
joking it's false.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
Got it?
Speaker 7 (28:28):
You ready?
Speaker 1 (28:29):
All right?
Speaker 4 (28:29):
I'll give it a show.
Speaker 7 (28:30):
All right?
Speaker 8 (28:30):
First, dated Yoka's favorite TV show is Friends.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
I gotta be joking. Come on, no, that's your favorite show?
Speaker 7 (28:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (28:40):
Yeah, One of my hottest takes is Friends is unwatchable
in reruns like Dirt.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
When it aired, it was awesome, but you can't watch
an episode now with the laugh track and all that.
Don't tell me you watch Friends reruns.
Speaker 7 (28:52):
Well, if it's on, it's a good one.
Speaker 8 (28:53):
I'm more of like an office or puts in rec
If it's on, that's always kind of on to the background.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
Of our the serbian like Friends. Okay, ye, got it?
Speaker 10 (29:01):
All right?
Speaker 7 (29:01):
All right?
Speaker 4 (29:01):
Next one, Ah for one.
Speaker 8 (29:04):
Jokich's twenty seven point one points per game in twenty
twenty one through twenty twenty two was the highest scoring
season in Nugget's history.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Joking, yes, correct, Alexanders right, yep, knew it.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
He was a guest on the show last week.
Speaker 6 (29:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
Nice, try there, Scottie. All right.
Speaker 8 (29:22):
Next one, no one saw Yokic get taken in the
second round of the NBA Draft because he was drafted
during a Taco Bell commercial.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
That is joker. That is accurate. Yeah, yes, I remember that.
I want created the a draft. Yes, yes, it's really
disrespectful to the joker.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
Okay.
Speaker 8 (29:40):
Jokic was once injured off court by suffering wrist inflammation
from signing too many autographs.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
That just doesn't seem I'm gonna go joking.
Speaker 7 (29:52):
Here, that's true.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
Damn it. Sorry, darn it. Uh yeah, to missus.
Speaker 8 (29:57):
Yeah, miss practice and a few games back in Serbia.
Speaker 7 (30:00):
Wow, for signing too many autographs. All right.
Speaker 8 (30:02):
Next one, McDonald's released a limited time value meal in
Denver called Nicola Nuggets.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
Now I'm at now it's in my head because I
thought the last So this one sounds like a joke.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
But I'm gonna say joker.
Speaker 8 (30:16):
Joking, you got me, you got me?
Speaker 7 (30:21):
That's good, all right.
Speaker 8 (30:23):
Yokch is the only NBA player to lead his team
in all five major statistics points, rebounds, assists, steels, blocks,
and field percentage in the same season.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
Joker. Okay, all right.
Speaker 8 (30:37):
Jokicch learned his nimble footwork by playing in flip flops
as a kid.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
Dang, this is tough. I'll go with Joker joking. This
is hard. I can't bag on. This is difficult, Okay.
Speaker 8 (30:56):
Jokic owns the highest single season player efficiency rate in
NBA history.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
Joker, Yep, So the real stuff I'm good at. It's
the fake stuff.
Speaker 7 (31:06):
Yeah, that's that's what you can't get, okay, Yoka.
Speaker 8 (31:10):
Just patti in half step back, half fade away over
the headshot is known as you got served joking.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
Come on, Yeah, all right, all right.
Speaker 8 (31:21):
Jokis has the most regular season triple doubles by a
center in NBA history.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
So this is tough because it might be will I'll
go with Joker.
Speaker 8 (31:32):
Oh nice, Yeah, one hundred and five career triple doubles,
twenty seven more than Whip.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Okay, Yeah, NBA stats I'm good with.
Speaker 8 (31:41):
Clearly goodness, Okay, Jokic became the latest drafted player to
win NBA MVP.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Seems like a shrick, But I'll go Joker yep, Yes, yeah,
all right.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
I rebounded strong. We ran out of time for me
to get up to like a B plus range. All right,
we will wrap up the show in a minute. Yeah,
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Monday Morning quarterback Albert Breer checking in from his house.
I thought it would be parts unknown now that summer's here. Albert,
how are you, man?
Speaker 5 (00:48):
I'm good. I'm good. How you doing. You're just back
from Paris? Right?
Speaker 4 (00:51):
I am wow? Look at you? What do you follow
me on Instagram? Is that what it is?
Speaker 5 (00:54):
Yeah? I did see it.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
It was a lot of fun, man.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Yes, yes, not not as fun as I'm sure Nantuckett
and your summer dealing up there in the Northeast, but
let's stop right in.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Hey, DeAndre Hopkins.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Released by the Cardinals while I was on vacation, and
Eric Manngini came on earlier and said, Hey, the Browns
make a lot of sense. You know, he made it
sound like he wants to go to a team with
a great quarterback. Your gut tell you he'd take less
to play with, say Mahomes or Josh Allen. Or do
you think he wants to get the bag and go
to like Atlanta or Chicago or something.
Speaker 6 (01:25):
Well, I think that's the real question, you know, like
that's what everybody's waiting on, and I think that's what's
going to determine where this thing goes. And you know,
really going back to the Cardinals effort to trade him,
you know, the Chiefs and Bills were the two teams
that had substantial draft or trade talks with them with
them and in both cases, what you know prevented it
from happening was what those teams were willing to do
(01:46):
financially for DeAndre Hopkins, which wasn't close to the near
twenty million dollars he was going to make in Arizona.
And you know, as part of that, like the Chiefs
were also pursuing Donovan Smith a lot of tackle from Tampa,
so they essentially gave the contract they were going to
give to Hopkins to Smith.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
The Bills have.
Speaker 6 (02:04):
Sort of moved on. I think to re engage either
of those teams, he'd have to go at a discount. So,
you know, you sort of hit the nail on the
head there, J Mack. You know this is going to
come down to what's important to him. Does he want
to take less to go chase a ring, you know,
with Patrick Mahomes in Kansas City or Josh Allen in Buffalo.
Speaker 5 (02:20):
And maybe maybe like you know, like.
Speaker 6 (02:22):
Have that hope out there that he can cash into
twenty twenty four if he shows he can make it
through a full seventeen game season and play the way
that you know, we've been accustomed to seeing him play,
or and nobody could be able to nobody could blame
him for this, you know, for a guy who turns
thirty one next week, does he want that one last
bite of the financial apple. I think that's going to
determine where he winds up going. And you know, the
(02:43):
Browns certainly makes some sense because they have the cap space,
they have a quarterback with a relationship with him. They
also have dealt with this sort of thing in the
past in acquiring Gedevian Clowney the last couple of off
seasons and having to manage a guy who doesn't practice
very much. So Cleveland like makes a lot of sense
for those reasons. Buffalo and Kansas City makes sense because
there are places where he can go and win. But
(03:03):
the question is, you know, how much does he feel
like he has to make you know, especially when you
look back at the history of how this has gone
in the last couple of months and how the Odell
Beckham situation sort of poisoned the water with Kansas City
there at the end.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Do you think these comments NFL executive says Hopkins can't
run anymore. I know he wasn't great last year, but
he was playing in a crappy situation. Cardinals were a
dumpster fire. I just wonder, is this some smart GM
putting this out there to knock down hopkins trade value
knowing that, hey, the dude's only thirty one man, he
wasn't checked out last year.
Speaker 6 (03:37):
Well, So, like, there are a lot of questions here, right,
and I think the big ones are ones that we've
become accustomed to asking of Hopkins, which, like, he's never
been that fast, he's never been a great separator, and
guys like that play with a smaller margin for error.
He's been able to get it done with balance and
hand eye coordination and toughness and physicality and his lengths.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
You know, that's how he's always gotten it.
Speaker 6 (04:01):
And so if you're dealing with a shorter margin, Pereira,
if he's lost his stef, he's gonna feel that more
than a guy who runs four to three. So, like,
that's certainly a valid question and one that NFL teams have.
He's only played sixteen games the last two years, and
he barely practices at all. So that's the other thing
is is this like a Julio situation where Julio when
he was in Atlanta barely missed a game but had
(04:22):
to be managed in a pretty heavy way because of
all the injuries that he'd had, and then he gets
to Tennessee and all of a sudden, that comes home
to roost. So you know, I think the league has
spoken and said that he's not worth twenty million dollars
or else somebody would have thrown a pick to the
Cardinals to go and get him. Another question becomes what
he's actually worth, and we'll find that out here soon enough,
(04:44):
but it's certainly a fraction of what he was worth
three or four years ago, that's for sure.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Say more about this, he doesn't practice at all. The
guy's like thirty thirty one years old and he's not practicing.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
What's that about?
Speaker 6 (04:56):
Well, that's I mean, that's just a function of how
he's taken care of his body, you know, and he
had so many nagging, little injuries that you know, it
got to the point at the end in Houston where
he wasn't practicing at all and Arizona took him on
knowing that.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
So he didn't.
Speaker 6 (05:09):
Practice much for the Cardinals either. It was just sort
of the plan to get him ready for games every Sunday,
and he required that level of maintenance. And again that's
like where the larger question is here, j Mac is like,
if he required that level of maintenance at twenty eight,
twenty nine, what's he going to look like at thirty one,
thirty two? You know, And could this become a bigger
(05:30):
problem as he gets older? Logically it would. And then
you know, like there's that question too, like if he's
not practicing and he's one of the best players in
your team. What messages that's into your locker room? What
could that do for you culturally? That's why I think,
like you look at Cleveland and having been through that
the last couple of years with you Debian Clowney and
having a quarterback that he's familiar with it, maybe he'd
(05:51):
require a less little less work to get you know,
kind of on the same page with and Deshaun Watson.
And maybe Cleveland has some subtle advantages here the people
aren't talking about that would make them an ideal fit. Now,
the question is whether or not they're willing to spend
the money they have it. You know, they do have
cap space. They're near the top of the league in
cap space, and the question is how far they're willing
to go financially and if they're willing to go get
(06:14):
closer to you know, that number that Odell Beckham got.
Speaker 5 (06:17):
You know, they're you know.
Speaker 6 (06:19):
Before the draft where you know again like that's sort
of what blew up, you know, the negotiation with Hopkins
and the Cardinals and the Chiefs was Hopkins saw what
Beckham got a fifteen million dollar base with the ability
to make up to eighteen million and said, well, he
didn't play last year. I'm worth at least that he's
going to have to come off of that a little bit.
But maybe the Browns get a little closer to it
(06:40):
so he can kind of amend that in his head
and go to a place that I think would be
a pretty good fit.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
Let's go to the Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Thirteen wins last year, second best point differential in the league.
And I did a segment earlier I said they're the
team one of the most pressure to win a Super
Bowl this year. You got to wonder about McDermott's future
there if I mean this playoff loss they had to
Cincinnati just downright embarrassing. Josh Allen obviously got to get
to a super Bowl. They haven't been able to get
over the hump.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
Your thoughts on the Bills heading into the season.
Speaker 6 (07:10):
I think they were dealing with a lot more than
people remember, you know, at the end of last year,
and I think that was an emotionally and physically worn
out football team. You know, they're the obvious injelies injuries,
Josh Allen was dealing with the elbow. Vonn Miller had
the ACL so he wasn't playing at all, you know,
and then you sort of look at what they went
through and I feel like a lot of that got
snowed over at the end of the year, right, So
(07:32):
twice that team was displaced towards the end of the
year because of snowstorms. They did like pick up their
operation and go somewhere else two times on the back
half of the season when everybody's worn out to begin with,
you know, ahead of games, and then the Damar Hamlin situation.
Obviously that weight on everybody in the organization and I
think we like tend to remember a lot of that
(07:52):
as a feel good story because in a lot of
ways it.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
Was you know, like you had him up in the
box for the.
Speaker 6 (07:57):
Week eighteen game when you know there's a kickoff return
to start to start that one, and you know he's
there again when they go and beat the Dolphins, and
you know, you're thinking to yourself, like, this was a
great positive story, and again it was for so many reasons.
But what that team had been through over the course
of you know, five or six months was it was
a lot. It was a lot, and so you know,
(08:17):
I think this is a team that thinks it's being
slept on right now that I think is going to
come back refreshed.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
You know.
Speaker 6 (08:23):
I think you're gonna be a quarterback who's gonna be
in better health going into the year than he was
at the end of last year. And I mean, man
like if von Miller, if they can get him back
on the field and playing the way he was at
any point this year at the beginning of last year,
now we're talking about a different football team. So I
actually like where Buffalo is going into this season, even
though they're much more under the radar than they were
(08:44):
last year.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
This is why you're one of the best in the business, dude.
I did not consider that displaced twice.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
That's good. That's amazing. It's a breer. That's good. Good stuff.
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Speaker 3 (09:02):
Let's go to the Patriots just because I like to
take shots at them. It is mac Jones saga, like,
come on, man, oh we sure, bill o'bro. First of all,
let's be I need you to rank the quarterbacks in
the AFC East and then tell me, like, is there
a world where mac Jones A gets the Patriots to
the playoffs this year or B finds himself like on
the hot seat and Bill Belichick's looking for a new
(09:22):
answer at quarterback next all season.
Speaker 6 (09:24):
Yeah, well, this is certainly like a big year for him.
It's a big year for everybody in that organization. But
you know, I think we've seen like the history with
the way the quarterbacks are paid as rookies, the first
round quarterbacks. After year three is when you got to
make a decision on the fifth year option, and it's
when these guys are eligible for long term extensions. And generally,
(09:44):
you know, if you go into year four with that unresolved,
it can make things awfully awkward, and so you want
to find out what you have in year three.
Speaker 5 (09:53):
That's why the Dolphins, for example.
Speaker 6 (09:55):
Went and got Jalen Wannell and Tron Armstead and did
all those different things, going and hiring Mike mctino. They
needed to find out on Tua last year and they
still really don't have answers, but they saw some good things.
So I think that mac Jones has to play well
for the Patriots not to have that door wide open
after this year, and I'd even say it's a crack
open now for Bailey Zapy to come in and shock
(10:15):
the world. Not saying that's going to happen, but I
think Bailey Zappy is going to get some opportunities in
camp to show what he's got. And then certainly this
is a huge year for Mac Jones, and you know,
he has to show a lot of the things that
he showed two years ago to kind of I think,
you know, not only affirmed that the Patriots would be
willing to pick up the fifth year option for twenty
(10:36):
twenty five, but also, you know, get back in a
place where they view him as a potential ten year
answer at the position, because coming out of last year,
there were a lot of people in that organization that
didn't think he handled the year well. And to be
fair to him, a lot of the circumstances were sideways
and weird.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
Now you got Bill O'Brien.
Speaker 6 (10:53):
The defense should be really good, they should be able
to run the ball, and we're going to see what
they have. Doesn't mean they need to in a super Bowl,
but Max Jones got to make a lot of progress
to to to turn the internal view of him in
that organization coming out of twenty twenty two.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
But he's definitely the fourth best quarterback of the division, right.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
Yeah, I would say so.
Speaker 6 (11:12):
I mean I think him in two is close. You know,
I don't think there's any question of the two of
the top two. Yeah, I mean I think if you
look at the way Mac played as a rookie, you
can certainly I mean, I think mask up the ability
to be you know, like a Kirk Cousins Andy Dalton,
like a really solid starting quarterback, but maybe a guy
that keeps you wanting him little bit.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
Wait wait, hold on, Alan, did you say k has
Kirk Cousins and Andy Dalton?
Speaker 6 (11:37):
Yeah, I mean like that, but that like see, everybody
looks at what like when you say these things, they
take it as an insult. Kirk Cousins are really.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Good, you know, he's good. Yeah, I don't think Mac
Jones is based.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
And Andy Dalton.
Speaker 6 (11:46):
Andy Dalton, for all the hits he's taken, got the
Bengals to the playoffs five years.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
And that's never been done before.
Speaker 6 (11:53):
Right, And like I Chad Pennington was the comp that
I liked when when when Max Jones was coming out
of college, like Chad Pennington is a really good quarterback,
went to the playoffs with two different teams, you know,
So I think we I think we've kind of like
got to the point where we view these all as
yes or no questions, right, like, either yes he is
or no he isn't? And so is he Patrick Mahomes
(12:14):
or Josh Allen or Justin Herbert or Joe Burrow. I
don't think so. And I don't think he ever gets there.
Maybe he proves me wrong. I don't think he ever
gets there. Can he be a quarterback in the league,
a good starting quarterback in the league for fifteen years?
I think that that's on the table, and he has
to show that this year. Has Tuus shown us that
he's going to be more than that?
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Like?
Speaker 6 (12:31):
I like Tua, but I don't know j Mack Like,
has he shown us he's more than that?
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Very fair questions?
Speaker 3 (12:36):
All right, now, since you like yes or no questions,
let's go to San Francisco forty nine ers, yes or no?
There is a quiet feud simmering in the front office
between Shanahan and Lynch about who is the one that's
settled on Trey Lance, the quarterback that now is by
far in their locker room, the number three guy on
the depth chart, and both of themselves are trying to
(12:57):
distance themselves from tre Like what's going on between those
two Shinhand and Lynch?
Speaker 2 (13:03):
No.
Speaker 6 (13:03):
I mean I think that everybody's locked in, Like I
just look like obviously it hasn't worked out, right, Like
I just view them as being like square in a
championship window right now.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
And you look at that roster.
Speaker 6 (13:16):
And who they put on that roster up and down,
and what a good job they've done of building it
up with Nick Bosa and Fred Warner and Trent Williams
and Deebo Samuel and George Kittle and Brandon i Uke
and Christian McCaffrey. I mean, they're loaded, and this is
the one thing that could take them down, right. They
don't even need great quarterback play. They need really good
quarterback play. And I mean the one thing that could
(13:38):
solve all of this is hitting on your seventh round pick.
And they think they have, like they think they've got
a really good player in Brock Party. The elbow certainly
complicates that, but like they don't view him as a
seventh rounder, Like they don't look at him that way.
And so whether they're right or wrong, we'll see. But
I think if you look at it and say, you know,
(13:58):
brock Party could be come what they thought mac Jones
was in twenty twenty one, and they didn't take mac
Jones because they swung for the fences right with Trey Lance,
thinking the high end was better there and they could
expand Shanahan's offense doing it. Well, that's not the worst
worst sequence of events in the world, either, is it.
(14:19):
Like where you took your big swing, it didn't work out,
and maybe you wound up with a quarterback that was
as good.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
As the guy you're going to pass on anyway.
Speaker 6 (14:27):
So like that's sort of the way I look at it.
I look like I think that that that organization, the
way that they built over the last six years, they've
been a model for everybody else. So you know, I
that one they say it certainly looks like like like
they got that one wrong. But I do think, you know,
even with some moving parts internally, and you know, I
(14:47):
think after this year there could be some some some changes,
and you know, I think this really is the year
to get it right with the current group of people.
I do think that everybody's locked in right now and
trying to find the right quarterback and serving what's phenomenal ross.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
Very political answer, Well said.
Speaker 6 (15:03):
Look like I think this is another part of it too,
j Mac, Like, I mean, John Lynch came close to
taking the Fox job last year, right, Like, So, I mean,
I don't think it's impossible that you know, there's a
new general manager there the next year or two and
that's gonna happen. But like, I don't think that's I
don't think that's impossible, And I don't think anybody, if
that were to happen should read into it as like
(15:26):
this was some sort of huge problem between the two guys.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Huh, Well, I mean I'm wondering, so if you took
a quarterback in twenty twenty one, that was I believe
the second COVID draft, right, twenty twenty Yeah, yeah, can
you get like a mulligan because hey, it was COVID.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
It was weird. You know, we couldn't do the in
depth stuff we wanted to.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
And I say this because the Jets took Zach Wilson
second already looking like a disaster, and the Niners Trey Lance.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
That's a disaster. Field goes eleven. I like field, that's
a lot of weight. And see mac.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Jones went fifteenth, and he's the only one who has
looked good at least for a season.
Speaker 6 (16:01):
Yeah, you know who else went in the first round
of the COVID Draft, Henry Ruggs, Damon Arnett. Like there
were all of these, Like if you look at it seriously, though,
if you look at it, like there were a lot
of like swings and misses. Justin Jefferson lasted all the
way to the what it was, the twenty first pick,
twenty second pick, right, Like if you look at that
(16:24):
draft class, like what we were all saying at the time,
like look out now, like there could be some there
gonna be some real swings and misses here because the
teams aren't able to do a lot of the stuff,
and they weren't able to do a lot of the
stuff over the last month of the process they would
normally do as far as going and working guys out
privately and bringing them in for thirty visits and learning
(16:44):
more about who they are. Like maybe somebody would have
figured out like Justin Jefferson is going to make it
work no matter what, and maybe he is not just
a slot receiver. Maybe somebody would have sat down and said, like,
sat down with Damon Arnett and figured out.
Speaker 5 (16:58):
Like like he had character she was before his last.
Speaker 6 (17:00):
Year at Ohio State, Like, yeah, he can bounce back,
but I don't know if I really trust him. You know,
Like those are the sorts of discussions that very well
might have happened if COVID hadn't sort of turned that
process upside down. So I certainly think we're going to
be looking back at that year, like a few years
out and saying like, man, like you know, like you
can see, like the last month six weeks of the
(17:22):
draft process really are important because in that one year,
taking that whole piece of the process out of the
equation really made a difference.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Yeah, and that's a great point because in twenty twenty, Yeah,
I know you're an Ohio State guy. Chase younga's second
he had a good start to his career, but they
didn't pick up the fifth year and Okuda has already
been shipped out of Detroit.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
By the way, what do you make of the Chase
young stuff?
Speaker 6 (17:46):
I think that knee Andrew is way worse than people though,
like I it was, I mean, like that what I
was hearing from people in Washington, and like, you know,
December and January was like he he was having trouble
moving around period, you know, and like so, you know,
it just it sounded like they were really struggling with
the idea of bringing him back at the end of
(18:07):
last year and they didn't feel like he was himself.
And unfortunately, because of the way the rules work now,
you weren't really going to get to see him in
any sort of football activity before you had to make
a decision on that fifth year option.
Speaker 5 (18:20):
The other thing is, look how much they've.
Speaker 6 (18:22):
Got invested on the defensive line. I mean, they've already
paid dorn pay, and they've already paid Jonathan Allen. And
now you got both Montes Sweat and Chase Young coming up.
And Montes Sweat's already shown he's a really effective pass
rusher and is going to command a lot of money.
And then you got Chase Young, who looked like a
generational talent before he got hurt. And so I think
(18:43):
they're going to probably going to wind up having to
make a choice between the two, you know. I think
that that's what the injury has done to this where
it's like, you know, you're going to get like a
couple weeks into camp and it's like, either Chase Young
looks like, oh my god, he's all the way back
and now we've got a real decision to make, or Wow,
Chase's knee is a real mess, and now like let's
go ahead and like really get going on a Montese
(19:06):
sweat extension. Get him done, and we'll let the year
play out with Chase. I think that's the sort of
situation it's sort of setting up to be, all right.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Albert Breer, Senior reporter and lead content strategist. That just
sounds cool, Monday Morning Quarterback. Thanks a lot, man, enjoy
the summer.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
All right, thanks, jam, I appreciate it, right.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Albert Breer. One of the best in the biz. And
let's go to another one of the best in the biz,
Alex Curry with the news.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Turn on the news. This is the Herd Line News.
Speaker 7 (19:36):
Hold j Mac.
Speaker 8 (19:36):
The NBA Finals tip off tonight, which is so exciting.
Now with the Nuggets sweep of the Lakers, they now
face a different animal in the Heat who became just
the second eighth seed.
Speaker 7 (19:48):
In history to reach the finals.
Speaker 8 (19:50):
Now, head coach Michael Malone isn't taking the match of
lightly calling this their greatest challenge.
Speaker 7 (19:55):
Yet here's what he had to say.
Speaker 9 (19:57):
You get to the NBA Finals. It's not the best
seeding anymore. And for those that are thinking that this
is going to be an easy series, I didn't know
what to say to your feeding people. I mean, like,
this is gonna be the biggest challenge of our lives.
See NBA Finals that this is. You're trying to win
the first NBA championship in franchise history. It's gonna be
(20:19):
the hardest thing that we've ever done, which is the
way he should be.
Speaker 7 (20:24):
I don't have the attitude I do.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
He's got to.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
I can't say that word on you. He seems like
a bit of a prickly fellow. Let's just say that.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
But it's interesting.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
I laughed initially when he said that. But Alex, I'm
looking at experience in the NBA Finals. Yeah, and Denver
has like KCP and anyone else with real experience. Meanwhile, Miami,
Jimmy Butler's been there, Kyle Lowry's been there, been Metal
Bio like, they got a lot of experience.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
Well that matter?
Speaker 7 (20:53):
Yes, are you kidding?
Speaker 4 (20:55):
Yes?
Speaker 8 (20:55):
Having having finals, having playoff experience matters. Having final experience
matters in any sport across all leagues. But as you're seeing,
and we kind of talked about it on the Star
Players Aspect earlier in the show, but both these coaches
kind of have the best attitude and mentality heading into
this finals as well. It's no excuse, do whatever it takes,
(21:18):
kind of underdog mentality because even though Denver is a favorite,
they've never won an NBA title in franchise history, so
they're trying to do something that's never been done before.
And then you have the Heat, who are only the
second eighth seed in history to make it to the
NBA Finals, And then he are not going to be easy.
Speaker 7 (21:36):
They beat the best teams in the East.
Speaker 8 (21:38):
They completely took out the Bucks and Yatits with the
best record, and then the second best in the Celtics
and handled them. So yeah, I mean, he's right, They're
going to have their work cut out for him.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Let me get player point totals for tonight. Jimmy Butler
is over under twenty six and a half points. How
would you handicap that?
Speaker 6 (21:55):
Over?
Speaker 7 (21:57):
Really, I'm gonna take over. Yah, He's going to go
off in game one, he.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Has to go Wow, Okay, So I bet the Nuggets
favor by nine.
Speaker 7 (22:04):
Yeah, I smell a blowout, so I would not be nugout.
You think the Nuggets.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Want a blowout, So I would look I would not
bet any overs on the heat. I mean, if there's
a scenario like, hey, there's an extra day of rest,
betweens game one and two, it makes sense, like, hey,
we're coming off a grueling seven game series. We're just
at altitude. If they're down fifteen, like, you probably rest
your guys for game two. So I would not look
at overs on Butler. However, Jamal Murray twenty five and
(22:29):
a half and Yo kich Is twenty seven and a
half do you like either of those?
Speaker 7 (22:34):
Yo kitch is how much twenty seven and a half
twenty seven and a half, and then Murray is.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
Twenty five and a half, twenty five and a half.
Speaker 7 (22:40):
Murray's been like you can't miss shots. He's clutched. He
has been like old clutch. I'd take the over on Murray.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
That's that's the guy I would be looking at as well, unless,
like Rick Buker said, the strategy is let's hug up
the shooters let's let Yo Kicch have fifty if he
needs to, and then Murray doesn't get the shots or looks,
and then I'm tissed off. So it was a gay
one sometimes a feeling out process, like a box sort
of fight, you know, it is.
Speaker 8 (23:01):
And Denver's had a lot of rest, which can be good,
but also you haven't played a games.
Speaker 7 (23:06):
Could be and what but is it fine? I think
nine days I had a long time to not play
a game.
Speaker 8 (23:12):
And then you have the heat coming off an exciting
series win, ready to go. So and you said, what,
They've won every game game one in the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
So it's a big one.
Speaker 7 (23:22):
It's going to be a big one, all right.
Speaker 8 (23:23):
Well, sticking with the finals, Tyler Hero is still making
his way back from a broken hand he suffered back
in the first round against the Bucks. And here's what
head coach Eric Spolstra had to say about the status
for the NBA Finals.
Speaker 10 (23:36):
He will not play tomorrow. We don't want to get
ahead of ourselves right now. He's still just starting this process.
We do have a few days, you know here, just
to continue his work. I can't even make any kind
of proclamation until he takes these next important steps, and
that's with contact and doing things more on the court
(23:58):
live and we'll just see. I mean, we're all encouraged by,
you know, his progress that he's made, but we want
to continue to be responsible and make the best decisions.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
He's not there yet now.
Speaker 7 (24:13):
TNT's Chris Haynes reported that the Heat expect Hero back
for Game three.
Speaker 8 (24:17):
Really so wow, look what they've been able to do
without him. Right, So if they get a weapon like
Hero back in the finals, Game three, back at.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Home, back at home, I think the first play that
he's on the court, Jokic is going to call for
the pick and roll with Murray and Jokic and they're.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
Just going at him relentlessly because he can't. He could
barely defend me. But I just came up with an idea.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
You see the Tyler Hero in the day showed where
he's got like the coral necklace and he's wearing bucket hats.
We need to do a segment Tyler Hero or boy
bander because he looks like he could be an in
Sync or Backstreet Boys.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
I know that's more. You're in my era.
Speaker 8 (24:55):
He's in Miami, He's in that fashion world.
Speaker 7 (24:59):
He's got he's got Look at that.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
I mean you get the hat backwards with the button
up shirt. Yeah, look at it exactly, the Shannon Sharp
sweater with the necklace, Like I'd wear that sweater.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
Tyler Hero.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
I can't believe we have b roll footage of Tyler
bucket hat Hero.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
I mean he's styling. You know, he's got like the
Instagram girlfriend and all this stuff.
Speaker 7 (25:16):
Yeah, he knows what's up. Okay, Ironlike, look at that
the winter hats.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Is that technically a knit hat?
Speaker 6 (25:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (25:22):
Oh my gosh, another bucket hat. You're a little jealous,
are you, Jay.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
Matt a little bit?
Speaker 9 (25:26):
No?
Speaker 7 (25:26):
Yeah? Yeah, come on, that's fun. Okay.
Speaker 8 (25:28):
Well, let's move to the NFL, where the second overall
pick c J. Stroud is hard at work at texans
Ota now. Although Stroud started camp taking second team reps
behind Davis Mills, the rookie is starting to take first
team reps with practice now open to the media. And
here's what head coach Jamika Ryan had to say, c J.
Speaker 11 (25:48):
Again, he's progressing well. I think each day he continues
to get better, continues to get more comfortable with the
verbis of the offense, his command of the huddle, I
thought this week was been really good coming off the
long weekend. It was very eye opening.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
How on it.
Speaker 11 (26:03):
He was right from the first day we got back
through today, done an awesome job and our situational period.
So he's he's definitely progressing in the right direction and
the sky's the limit.
Speaker 8 (26:13):
Frame Now, it sounds like Ryan's handling expectations here a
little right because he was a second overall pick, so
there's a lot of expectations, so there's going to be
a lot of eyes on you.
Speaker 7 (26:24):
There's that question did we make the right pick?
Speaker 8 (26:27):
And it's still very early, right because they've had the
post raft rookie mini camp May twelve through the fourteenth,
and then okay started May twenty second. But he is
telling you what you want to hear. He's saying he's
hitting all the positive bullet points.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Can you imagine if he came out and said anything
remotely negative.
Speaker 7 (26:44):
He can't Hey, she trup, Well, he's not really going.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
He's not where we thought he would be. Like, you
can't do that shadow the guy's confidence. So I don't
put a ton of stock. They're like a five week team.
Speaker 7 (26:53):
Early.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
We have a producer on the staff here who is
a big Houston Texans fan, and I think they're gonna
be just rough this year.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
Okay, it's gonna be ye. Coward loves them though. Coward's
all in that Greg two.
Speaker 7 (27:07):
Yes, Okay, it's Colin. I was like, dang, okay, all right,
Alex with the news.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
Herd Line News.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
All right?
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Up next in Best for Last Joker or joking?
Speaker 4 (27:26):
Do that? Next?
Speaker 2 (27:26):
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Speaker 4 (28:05):
All right, Best for Last Joker? Or joking starring Alex Curry.
What do we got?
Speaker 8 (28:12):
Okay, So, joker means it's true. Okay, joking means.
Speaker 7 (28:17):
It it's false.
Speaker 8 (28:18):
So I'm going to give you some facts about Joki
and you're gonna say joker, which means it's true or
joking it's false.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
Got it?
Speaker 7 (28:28):
You ready?
Speaker 1 (28:29):
All right?
Speaker 4 (28:29):
I'll give it a show.
Speaker 7 (28:30):
All right?
Speaker 8 (28:30):
First, dated Yoka's favorite TV show is Friends.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
I gotta be joking. Come on, no, that's your favorite show?
Speaker 7 (28:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (28:40):
Yeah, One of my hottest takes is Friends is unwatchable
in reruns like Dirt.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
When it aired, it was awesome, but you can't watch
an episode now with the laugh track and all that.
Don't tell me you watch Friends reruns.
Speaker 7 (28:52):
Well, if it's on, it's a good one.
Speaker 8 (28:53):
I'm more of like an office or puts in rec
If it's on, that's always kind of on to the background.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
Of our the serbian like Friends. Okay, ye, got it?
Speaker 10 (29:01):
All right?
Speaker 7 (29:01):
All right?
Speaker 4 (29:01):
Next one, Ah for one.
Speaker 8 (29:04):
Jokich's twenty seven point one points per game in twenty
twenty one through twenty twenty two was the highest scoring
season in Nugget's history.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Joking, yes, correct, Alexanders right, yep, knew it.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
He was a guest on the show last week.
Speaker 6 (29:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
Nice, try there, Scottie. All right.
Speaker 8 (29:22):
Next one, no one saw Yokic get taken in the
second round of the NBA Draft because he was drafted
during a Taco Bell commercial.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
That is joker. That is accurate. Yeah, yes, I remember that.
I want created the a draft. Yes, yes, it's really
disrespectful to the joker.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
Okay.
Speaker 8 (29:40):
Jokic was once injured off court by suffering wrist inflammation
from signing too many autographs.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
That just doesn't seem I'm gonna go joking.
Speaker 7 (29:52):
Here, that's true.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
Damn it. Sorry, darn it. Uh yeah, to missus.
Speaker 8 (29:57):
Yeah, miss practice and a few games back in Serbia.
Speaker 7 (30:00):
Wow, for signing too many autographs. All right.
Speaker 8 (30:02):
Next one, McDonald's released a limited time value meal in
Denver called Nicola Nuggets.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
Now I'm at now it's in my head because I
thought the last So this one sounds like a joke.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
But I'm gonna say joker.
Speaker 8 (30:16):
Joking, you got me, you got me?
Speaker 7 (30:21):
That's good, all right.
Speaker 8 (30:23):
Yokch is the only NBA player to lead his team
in all five major statistics points, rebounds, assists, steels, blocks,
and field percentage in the same season.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
Joker. Okay, all right.
Speaker 8 (30:37):
Jokicch learned his nimble footwork by playing in flip flops
as a kid.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
Dang, this is tough. I'll go with Joker joking. This
is hard. I can't bag on. This is difficult, Okay.
Speaker 8 (30:56):
Jokic owns the highest single season player efficiency rate in
NBA history.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
Joker, Yep, So the real stuff I'm good at. It's
the fake stuff.
Speaker 7 (31:06):
Yeah, that's that's what you can't get, okay, Yoka.
Speaker 8 (31:10):
Just patti in half step back, half fade away over
the headshot is known as you got served joking.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
Come on, Yeah, all right, all right.
Speaker 8 (31:21):
Jokis has the most regular season triple doubles by a
center in NBA history.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
So this is tough because it might be will I'll
go with Joker.
Speaker 8 (31:32):
Oh nice, Yeah, one hundred and five career triple doubles,
twenty seven more than Whip.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Okay, Yeah, NBA stats I'm good with.
Speaker 8 (31:41):
Clearly goodness, Okay, Jokic became the latest drafted player to
win NBA MVP.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Seems like a shrick, But I'll go Joker yep, Yes, yeah,
all right.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
I rebounded strong. We ran out of time for me
to get up to like a B plus range. All right,
we will wrap up the show in a minute. Yeah,
I guess
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