November 17, 2025 • 30 mins
Colin talks more about the Rams tough win over the Seahawks, what makes Matt Stafford elite, why he believes in Caleb Williams and more
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
You know, it's interesting when the NIL and a transfer
portal emerged in college football and the media does this
all the time, and it's irritating to me as somebody
that's in the media, and I push back on this
all the time. It's it's the end of the world
of the rich. You're gonna get richer, run for your lives,
and it's never true. Our political media does this, our
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sports media does this. All I heard when the NIL
came out the rich are gonna get richer. Well, what's
gonna happen to Purdue? I don't know, what's always happened
to Purdue? You know, good basketball week football. The bottom
line here is the NIL and the transfer portal expanded
the field.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Ohio State feels like.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
They're the best team I think, and they won the
Natty last year and yet lost as a twenty point
favorite of Michigan and lost Oregon. So the five best
teams I've seen, and I think Ohio State's the best team,
and then everybody else on any given Saturday can beat
anybody else. I would do Georgia's second, Indiana third, Ole,
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miss fourth, Oklahoma fourth or fifth, Bama sixth. I don't
buy Texas A and M. I watched the entire game
this weekend. They trailed thirty to three at a half
to a really average team. They came back at and
won at home. But I just don't buy them. Nice win,
but I think they've played a pretty week schedule. I
don't buy them. I think they're like six or seventh best.
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Oklahoma to me has been really surprisingly good.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
But I mean out.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
We always do this, and the media is to blame
on this. It's always the worst scenario possible. It's always
tariffs are going to ruin the economy. Well, maybe they'll
puncture it a little, they'll bank ruin the We survived
a pandemic, We shut the economy down for six months
and survived. Take a deep breath. The end is not near.
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We do this in sports. This is going to all
the transfer portal is going to be.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Just fine, just fine.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
I mean, right now, Indiana football is better than LSU
Ole Miss football is better than Alabama. Did you think
that is what the NIL and the transfer portal we're
going to create. I don't know what tariffs do to
the economy, but good bad who knows. Probably not great.
I just think the media tends to exaggerate what's going
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to transpire when there's new stuff introduced to the market.
AI will eliminate all jobs. I bet it doesn't. I'm
gonna go with it.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Doesn't.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
I'm gonna go where we survive it and it expands
the economy eventually. But I'm watching college football the last
two weekends, and I mean it's I watched Iowa USC
came down to a play. I watched Michigan Northwestern came
down to a kick.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
You know, I'm watching all these games.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
I mean, the only thing I know is if Georgia
plays Texas, Georgia is gonna win. That is all I know.
I think Ohio State's the best team in the country.
It is, you know, just to show you how college
football has changed. Ohio State used to be linebacker territory
and running back territory. It's all wide receivers and quarterbacks
now so, but I think that college football.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
To me, there's no.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Gap between Clemson, Indiana, Notre Dame USC. It looks very
close to me. It all looks mushed in the middle.
Oklahoma's better than I thought they would be. Indiana's obviously emerged,
But I don't see a big gap between Oregon and Iowa.
I did five years ago. I don't now J Mack
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with the news. This is the herd line news, all.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
Right, Colin, let's get started with this Lamar Jackson kind
of clunker against the Cleveland Browns. Browns did cover the
spread very nice showing. Obviously the injury to Gabriel hurt
and Shador wasn't great. But let's let's focus on Lamar
for a second.
Speaker 5 (04:20):
Colin.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
I don't know how close you watches. He does not
have the same juicy once had for carries ten yards.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
I get it.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
The Browns defense is scarming. Miles Garrett was tremendous. We'll
get to him shortly. Here's Harball on the Ravens climbing
back into the AFC North Race.
Speaker 6 (04:37):
We're five and five, Our head's just above water. We're
just above water breathing. We're not even out of the water.
It's a typical AFC North battle. And I'm proud of
the guys for the way they played and what they
had to do to find a way to win that
game in the second half to win and did it.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Yeah, I might think it's realistic that a quarterback and
he's not Josh Allen or big Ben big.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
I mean, look at it.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Cam Newton and Big Ben got old very fast and
they're a huge athletes six six two sixty. Lamar's pretty slender.
How many years can you take hits? So I mean,
I mean Cam is as big a quarterback, Ben as
big a quarterback as you're gonna see. Michael Vick once
told me about year four. He's like he took a
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hit from London Fletcher and he's like, yeah, I don't want.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
To do this anymore. I think it was London Fletcher.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
So I mean my take is Lamar is still amazing,
but it's not you age and when you take hits
for a guy. I don't know how much he weighs
two fifteen to eighteen two twenty. I don't know how
big he is. He's gotten bigger, but I think it,
and I also think we have to give Cleveland credit.
They have a really good roster. They just don't have
an elite quarterback. Cleveland's got dudes, they got a really
good defense.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
They show up at home.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
Let's drill down on Miles Garrett for a second, Colin,
he is unbelievable right now.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
Four sacks.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
Second time this season he's had four sacks. Here's my thing.
Miles Garrett's playing on an awful team going nowhere. They're
not suddenly making the playoffs next year. Miles Garrett turns
thirty in December. Come, I'm just curious. If I'm Cleveland,
I go into this offseason, we got a lot of questions.
I'm looking to trade Miles Garrett. Somebody is going to
give up at least two ones for him. He's at
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at a level that's higher than Micah Parsons right now.
I think if you're you're a Kansas City Chiefs, I mean, heck,
you're you're a Buffalo Bills, You've got to kick the
tires and say, can we just get Miles Garrett and
go in because you've got a game plan.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Well, what Miles Garrett, what if the Rams would have
done that with Aaron Donald. Aaron Donald, there.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Was no duplicate.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
When you have the best player in the world at
his position and it's a key position, I don't think
you trade them.
Speaker 5 (06:32):
But the Rams were always a contender with Staff.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Oh no, no, if you go to the last couple
of years of Jeff Fisher.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
They were well that that was early, early in his career.
I mean, like, you know, you get late, like thirty
years old from Miles Garrett.
Speaker 5 (06:44):
I think you get what you can for him at
this point.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
Don't you know if somebody goes to you and says
two ones and a.
Speaker 5 (06:50):
Four and five, aren't you doing that instantly?
Speaker 1 (06:52):
No, Cleveland's already got enough ones. Cleveland doesn't have a
first round pick shortage. Cleveland has a quarterback shortage. They
don't have I have a short When you have the
best player in the world at any position and they're
still performing at an elite.
Speaker 5 (07:06):
Level, I'm not trading them. But Dallas just did that.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
No, no, no, you're not listening. Mike is not close
to Miles. How many four SAC games does Mike have?
Miles Garrett is literally next to lt the most dominant
edge rusher in the history of football. But Mike is
a fourth fifth best. I take Max Crosby. I would
take TJ. Watts better against the run, I'd take Miles
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get Mike is a really elite ed rusher, He's not
the top three in the sport. I take Aiden Hutchison
over Micah Parsons absolutely.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Oh my, Okay, I did not expect they would go there. Okay,
let's move on to the Bears and Vikings. Colin Bears
get lucky once again. Hey, better to be lucky than good.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
Sometimes. Let's focus on JJ McCarthy for a moment, shall we?
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Sixteen of thirty two for a buck fifty spray in
the ball all over the yard and showed his frustrations
on the side line throughout you I mean, he's just
missing throws.
Speaker 5 (08:01):
That was a terrible one right there. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
Kevin O'Connell was asked about JJ after the game, and
I don't know, listen to this.
Speaker 7 (08:11):
He was frustrated, and I just I just kept telling him,
you know, feet and eyes, feet and eyes and and
the and the things that we saw throughout the week
on the practice field. You know, make it about that.
You know, with a with a young quarterback, there's going
to be a lot of things that will will pinpoint
and continue to highlight and tie that preparation throughout the week,
and our plans to you know, what he does well
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and continue to coach at things that where we feel
the emphasis needs to be on.
Speaker 5 (08:37):
Is there a level of performance that he would get
would need to get.
Speaker 7 (08:40):
To for you to consider whether he's just to be
replaced in the game.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Yeah, I don't. I'm not going to get into any
of that right now.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
Oh not a resounding vote of confidence. That being said,
Wentz is chose for the year. The backup is his kid,
the rookie from Minnesota, Brasmer or.
Speaker 5 (08:55):
Something like that.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Colin Again, McCarthy wasn't good and you look at the
numbers this season, these are Jared Goffl. Like with Jeff Fisher,
if you remember those days you referenced earlier, I.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Would just keep playing him till the end of the season.
You've got to get an answer. Maybe it pops. I
don't think there's any reason to bench him. I just think, listen,
you know what, you give up a fourth and a fifth,
just plan the rest of the season. This is not
a situation where he's got a defensive coach and no
legitimate receivers. Now, Jordan Edison had two ugly drops, but
this is a good tool belt for a quarterback to have.
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All the weapons are there. I would just give him
another how many games left? Six seven starts. I just
keep starting him, keep playing him, get the reps. Maybe
it clicks. There's no reason to rush. Kevin O'Connell's job
is not in danger. Justin Jefferson still in his prime.
It's a good operation. Sometimes you just you don't have
Again it's my media criticism.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
You don't have to rush anything. Just let it play out.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
You're not a super Bowl team with him. Sometimes you
need to get answers and you have to have them
solidified so you can go back to the owner and
GM and go okay, a definitive answer. If you just
try to mess around with him. Now, some people in
the room may be like, well he deserves it. Just
keep starting him, keep giving him reps. So at the
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end of the year, three or four people owner, GM,
head coach coordinator can all go in a room and
all agree yay or nay. That's why I think you
just have to find the answer. There's no hurry.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
So Michael Pennix. Remember started like four or five games
down the stretch last year. He's the starter. This year
he has not been great. He's gonna start next year
when he comes back from this injury. You got to
give these guys time. You can't be like, hey, five
games bench him like that. I don't know why the.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
Media is so focused on McCarthy like that. Final story is.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
The Cowboys tonight the big Quinn Williams debut.
Speaker 5 (10:43):
Yes, the new.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Defensive tackle they got from my jets. He is itching
to go. Here's Quinn Williams on his debut to night
against the Raiders.
Speaker 8 (10:52):
I'm super excited. I'm like you said, man, I haven't
played a game in a lone of the minutes. I'm
super excited and owned to play a football game. But
to play for his organization, man, to play for this team,
to play for the guys in our deep as a
line room. They took a chance on me and trade
it for me and did the things that they feel like.
I can come into contribute and hit this organization go
in the right direction, and that's all I plan to do.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
So.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Wasn't there a movie called Escape from New York? That's
what that says Sauce Gardener and Quinn and Williams escape
from New York. I'm excited to watch him play. Yeah,
it's a weird game. I mean, I didn't the Raiders
don't do anything right. Three and a half the hook,
be careful, but.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
You gotta score it. Come on, let's let's hear it.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Twenty eight twenty four Cowboys. Wow close, I'll go twenty
seven to seventeen. Cowboys. By the way, more excited for
Quinn Williams tonight or Sauce Gardener against the Chiefs Sunday
Colts Chiefs which a.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Yeah, oh yeah, Chiefs are favored in that game.
Speaker 5 (11:52):
I think na half yep, you got a factor in
Sauce Gardner Colin Oh, I can't wait.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
Hey, it's nice to see Jets, you know, itching towards
maybe postseason.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
That's that's fun. I can root for them because the
team ain't going anywhere.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Jmack with the News, Well that's the news, and thanks
for stopping by the line News. One of the craziest
games had to be the Rams holding off the Seahawks,
and I just want to bring back a couple of
minutes with Sean McVay. The energized coach of the Rams.
There's this postgame celebration on from an atmosphere perspective, what
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was it like this this very tough divisional matchup that
came down to the end.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
What was the intensity like on the sidelines.
Speaker 9 (12:37):
I'll tell you what.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
I love this group.
Speaker 9 (12:38):
They energized me, Colin, and I tell you just the
way that these guys stay connected.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
It was a unique game.
Speaker 9 (12:44):
There wasn't a lot of possessions in plays that the
offense had, but our defense kept making them snap it
one more time, forcing turnovers, tightening up in the red area,
being good in crunch time situations, guys stepping up Ethan Evans,
you know. So we're finding different ways to win. We've
had examples where we put it all together, and then
we've had examples where we have to be able to
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play off with one another and ultimately come away with
more points than the other team. And that's a great
football team. But I was fired up for our group.
And I just love the resolve of this team and
the way that they stay connected most importantly, and I.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Was fired up. My mom's gonna be yelling at me.
Speaker 9 (13:20):
For the curse words. They gotta be careful having a
two year old around. He repeats everything I say, So
I got to clean up language.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Yeah, those two year olds are like their parents. They
say everything you say. You're gonna hear it back later
when you You guys have had success with Darnold and
Sam sometimes can play a little fast, a little frenetic,
and kach Schule has done that on your staff. I
thought a couple of times my interpretation was Sam saw
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stuff late. He was just a beat late. Is that
scheme coverage? Pass rush? Why the success against Sam? Because
Sam had played mostly clean this year, but he was
late on stuff?
Speaker 3 (13:59):
What do you at that for?
Speaker 9 (14:01):
Yeah, well, I think Sam has done a great job,
and I totally agree how well he's played. I think
it's the epitome of Russian coverage playing together.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
And that's why I always think.
Speaker 9 (14:09):
Stats are for losers because we had zero sacks, but
those four interceptions were such a great combination of he
gets sped up with Russian coverage. You feel that pocket collapse.
He has to deliver the ball earlier than he wants.
I mean, you look at Punaford coming free. That forces
Darius Williams pick. We had a bunch of examples on
all four where it was a combination of he's sped
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up or he's having to accelerate his process of reading
with his feet, and then guys are in windows that
maybe they shouldn't be because he's not able to see
it and play on the time in rhythm that he wants.
But it was a great job by our group as
a whole bringing it to life. And I think you
see on all four of those interceptions the consistent theme
is there's a push in the pocket, there's somebody flashing
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across his face, and there's guys connected and in their
spots on the back end.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Yeah, when you were in the second and third quarters,
you guys barely had the ball. When you would talk
to Stafford, was your sense, listen, let's just play clean,
Let's not give many short fields here.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
They're athletic enough.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Or were you getting frustrated because I mean there was
at an hour and a half period where you didn't
have the ball much. Is that cycle that that period?
Speaker 3 (15:19):
What do you do? What are you doing as a coach?
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Are you like you're making defensive plays, I'm comfortable with it,
or are you on the headset with Matt and saying
let's try this, this, this. Are you staying on the
game plan?
Speaker 9 (15:29):
Yeah, I'm with the defense during those things, and then
we have dialogue. It was it was frustrating just when
you look at it from an offense advantage point, because
you know, you have the first four drives.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
Of the game where you go right down, you.
Speaker 9 (15:41):
End up, you know, missing on a fourth and one,
Then we end up scoring, you score again, and then
our fourth drive represents a three and out where we
didn't do what we were supposed to do. Then the
then the next time we touched that's with eight minutes
left in the second quarter. Then you come back midway
through the third quarter and you have a two place
sequence where we turn it over. So you've had five
plays and what's probably real time an hour and a half.
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Like you mentioned, it is frustrating and it can get
a little misleading when you go back and you watch it.
You know, the margin prayer slim against a great team
like that. But our guy stayed in the fight, and
I thought Matthew did a phenomenal job of being able
to play the game the way it needed to be played.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
We didn't.
Speaker 9 (16:19):
We weren't able to sustain drives and just you know
the possession was how it was. He didn't have as
many opportunities, but he took care of the football, got
the ball where it was supposed to go. They didn't
take negatives. We did some things pre snaff that's uncharacteristic.
But we'll look forward to being able to clean this up.
And like I said in that locker room, it's a
blessing for us to be able to learn from it
against an excellent outfit like yesterday was.
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Speaker 1 (17:51):
Last seven games, twenty two touchdowns, no picks for Stafford.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Could I that's crazy, argue?
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Could I argue facing your defense in practice, with its
mobility and flexibility and dexterity, that that actually benefits Matt
because he's not fasing a defense on the field that's
as good as practice. Does that help in your opinion?
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Yeah, I think I think it helps him.
Speaker 9 (18:17):
You know, when we do do the few plays a week.
But I think he's just playing really well. I think
the guys around him are playing well. I think he's
really understanding how to be able to play like this
is where you see the seventeen years of experience and understanding.
You know, where are those spots that I can be
more aggressive? Where can I be smart with the football?
I think guys have played well around him, and you
know the best part is is he's so grateful to
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be able to get the win. And I thought he
did really what he could relative to how the game unfolded.
There was a couple bad plays that I had on
some g on some second down and tense situations that
I didn't help us. But he's just doing a great
job of understanding the totality of how the game is
supposed to be played, you know, through the quarterback, but
from a coach's vantage point. And it's still is aggressive,
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but it's not reckless.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
I want to ask you before we go. You're very progressive.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
You very much follow the analytics, but there are moments
in games where I do I always call it analytics,
where I just want to see men make plays.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
I'm not going by the book.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
I trust my team, how I want you viewed as
one of the smarter guys in this sport with analytics?
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Are there ever times that you literally.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Get on the headside or you talk to Matt and
you're like, yeah, I'm just going to do this. I
just feel this. How do you weigh analytics one hundred percent? I?
Speaker 9 (19:33):
Well, here's the thing that I would say, I have
tremendous respect for taking all these things in for the input,
but in a lot of instances they got all the
answers and no accountability to the outcomes, you know. And
so I do think there's a feel for the flow
of the game. There's twenty two moving parts that are unpredictable.
And it's not just these decisions aren't made in a box,
but you're betting on people, You're betting on different scenarios, situations,
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What are the matchups based on what you're projecting, stematic lead,
you know, and so all those things way into it.
But I thought our fourth down conversions offensively were key
and critical that led to scoring drives. Whether it's our
first touchdown from two yards out from Kiren, whether it
ended up being a fourth and one run where he
goes for thirty four and then we end up hitting
DeVante two plays later.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
So guys have done a good job. But it's a
part of it.
Speaker 9 (20:19):
It's not the only part of it, uh because I
just think this game has so many moving parts with
twenty two variables every single snap.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Who's your leader on defense? It's young, who's your leader?
Speaker 9 (20:30):
Well, we've got great leaders across the board. I think
what's cool is we've got captains on all three levels,
where Kobe Turner, Nate Landman, and then Quinton Lake, you know,
they've done a great job. I think in you know, innately,
some of these guys that are thrust into a leadership
role with the communication. Landman's such a great communicator, Quinton
Lake's been outstanding. But those three captains, but I could
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name some other guys that stepped.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Up in a big way.
Speaker 9 (20:53):
I think the cool thing is we got a bunch
of guys that have leadership capacity.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Those were the guys.
Speaker 9 (20:58):
That were voted all with captains, but there's.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
A lot of guys.
Speaker 9 (21:00):
You know, you don't have to be a captain to
be a leader, and I think, you know, our team's
got a lot of guys with those natural traits and characteristics.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Yeah, it's interesting when he talks about analytics. Last night,
as Jamak pointed out, Detroit kept going forward on fourth down,
and a lot of times I watched these games and
I'm like, are you home or your way? Like, I
think it's very difficult to me. I don't love Detroit
last night. Keep going for it, keep going forth? Why
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because the interior d line of the Eagles is the
best in the sport and they are analytics. Dave Roberts
in the World Series, you know, there was some stuff
that he didn't buy the book he went with.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
You know, Miguel Rojas, I trust him. I kind of.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Feel like he's going to make a play. And you know,
I guess politics has some of that too, where there's
some instinct. You've been around, You've run a lot of campaigns,
you kind of have a feel for stuff. But yeah,
I mean I I always use the term analytics. Something
else has been brought to my attention. I don't don't
really pay attention. I don't keep track of this, but
I've been told that the Blazing five went five and
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oh last week. The heater continues. I am hitting on
a sixty one point eight percent clip that's the good news.
The bad news is I don't like the lines at
all this week. I like the Green Bay line and
that's about it. If CJ. Stroud plays. I like the
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Texans getting a bunch of points against Buffalo, but both
of us had a very good weekend. But I want
to go back to the analytics part again. I believe
in getting all the information in whatever it is, politics, sports,
Wall Street, tech. Just give me all the information. But
there is a moment in analytics doesn't weigh momentum. Analytics
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doesn't weigh well, I've got an injured right guard and
the Eagles defensive interior is the best in the sport?
Am I home or away? What's the weather like? Are
we playing with a ton of momentum or confidence? And
like last night, I thought, like you said, the line
was Dan Campbell was on tilt. I'm just gonna go
for it. And I'm like I and Greg Olson and
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I would argue on this. There are times in games
I just want the point. I like playing with leads.
When you play with the lead, you forced teams to
make decisions. They wouldn't have trailing or I wouldn't have leading.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
So I like the lead football games early and late.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
The NFL isn't blackjack.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
People are trying to act like it's hey, play by
the book, you know the rules, this is what you're
supposed to do.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
That's not what the NFL is.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
Colin, for example, you know you and I on this show,
we have certain topics we're gonna cook and they're gonna
be awesome. But the analytics say, oh, you can't talk
about that team or that sport. It's not gonna work. No,
we understand each other and know.
Speaker 5 (23:47):
What can pop. Look at Mike McDaniels, did you watch it?
Speaker 4 (23:51):
Dlphin's I was losing my mind. Okay, all you need
to win the game is a field goal from like
the two yard line. Oh e, the line was two
and a. I was on Dolphins and he goes.
Speaker 5 (24:02):
For it and they fail, and I'm like, what the
hell are you doing? And they go to overtime they
get lucky. But like sometimes you just got to.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
Like go I think that that's smart and forget the analytics.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
That reminded me that Mike McDaniel move reminded me of
a Brandon Staley move when he went forward against the
Raiders deep in his own territory.
Speaker 5 (24:21):
That's right, and you're like, bro, what on earth are
you doing?
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Even if you.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Pick the first down up, you're still three to four
first downs away from a field goal attempt. Like, so
you have to weigh the pros and the cons. Am
I taking a risk here, Like in the Miami game.
My take was, Dude, you're in Berlin. It's an ugly game.
Speaker 5 (24:43):
Wait was it Berlin?
Speaker 3 (24:44):
Yeah? I think it was Berlin. You're in an ugly game.
Washington doesn't have much.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
They're on a backup quarterback, kick the field goal, take
the lead over in Europe, and if they beat you,
they'd beat you. That was a prime example where it
just drove me absolutely crazy.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
Some of these coaches make really puzzling even what's his
name Eagles coach Siriani last night, like some of the
decisions he was making in his own end the twist
push was not working, Colin, he still went to it
with I think the backup center it failed, and now
you gave Detroit three free points. I'm like, man, what
are you thinking?
Speaker 8 (25:24):
Yeah, h.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Wrap it up in Chicago next to Hurt.
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Speaker 3 (25:55):
By the way, is it just me?
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Or is Matt hassel bad still got his doubts with
Caleb Williams.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
I know he likes.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Ben Johnson, but here was Matt earlier on if he
buys Caleb Williams and the Bears at seven and three.
Speaker 12 (26:15):
Caleb is a young player learning on the fly, and
as he's learning, they're winning. He's morphing into Ben Johnson's
kind of quarterback.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
Is he there?
Speaker 12 (26:23):
No? I don't think he is. He's really not, but
they seem to find ways to win. That's what happens
with DNA Culture Center type coaches. You set a standard
and an expectation for the details and the discipline that
are going to happen in your organization every single day.
Do I think this is their year without after I
say all that, No, they haven't really beat anybody, but
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the schedule's getting tougher here we'll find out who they
really are.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
You know what's interesting when you say they haven't beaten anybody,
it's so funny because the teams were the best records.
Philadelphia doesn't really have an offensive identity. Rams are really
really good and a very clean version of the best
team in the league. Patriots have an identity but are
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really young at quarterback. And Denver is uneven but great late.
It's been i mean, one of the teams that week
in and week out in the last six weeks, there's
two teams that just look like the best teams. Rams
New England have beaten teams mostly soundly, play clean football,
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don't make a ton of mistakes.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Everybody else.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
I mean, there are variations of why you shouldn't like them.
Saquon Barkley's inability to hit on big plays this year.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
What's Philadelphia's offense? They keep winning?
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Denver, you don't quite know what you're getting. They're uneven,
great late struggle early yesterday they scored in an opening drive.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
They hadn't done that in two months.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
So I still think like I still think Seattle is
a hand full. I think they're young and kind of
reckless and make mistakes and you have giveaways. Would I
would I would have no introy. You know the two
teams I wouldn't want to play in the playoffs Seattle
because they have knockout potential. You could find yourself down
twenty one nothing fast against Seattle. They're just going one
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hundred miles and in the Colts because everybody would say,
well it's Daniel Jones. You go in as a favorite
and all of a sudden you end up going to Indy.
You know you're Buffalo, you're a wild card team because
the Patriots, you know, you look at the NFC playoff
picture right now, the team that would just horrify me
because if you played the Rams or the Eagles, you
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would be an underdog, right You'd be like, well, you
shouldn't beat them. Everybody thinks you should beat Seattle if
you win your division, like like Tampa wins your division
and they've got to go play you know, they get
to go play Seattle at home, and you think, oh,
we're a favorite or at helm yikes. Seattle is a
total handful. If you go over to the AAC It's
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similarly with the Colts.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
The Cults are going to win their division. They're going
to play a home game.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
You know, if you're the Bills and you go to Indy,
everybody in the world thinks you or your Baltimore, You're
Pittsburgh can go to Indy, right, everybody thinks, well, it's
Daniel Jones.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
I'm telling you.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
The Seahawks roster and the Colts roster, young, athletic, getting better, ascending,
little mistake prone. Daniel Jones can be a little mistake
prone Sam Darnold. Little mistake prone that keeps you out
of the Super Bowl, may keep you out of a
conference championship. But I look at the Colts and I
look at the Seahawks and no thanks. Those those teams
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have dudes everywhere and most of the the Seahawks may
be a dog in their first you know, they'll go
to Tampa and be an underdog and everybody's like, oh, Baker,
he's at home.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
No, I wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
I would not want to face Seattle at all. And oh,
by the way, we mentioned this earlier, Uh, Philadelphia, very interesting.
Lane Johnson is going to be out for probably a month.
It's not season ending, Jalen Hurts without Lane Johnson five
and nine and a passer rating in the seventies. So
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you think the Philadelphia offense is struggling to find an
identity before the game last night. He's a five time
All Pro offensive tackle, arguably best right tackle in the
sport in a long time. All right, well, first things first,
kind of a rough Sunday for Nick Wright, old friend
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Nick Wright.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Little wobbly, little wobbly on the ropes. Nick right next,
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
You know, it's interesting when the NIL and a transfer
portal emerged in college football and the media does this
all the time, and it's irritating to me as somebody
that's in the media, and I push back on this
all the time. It's it's the end of the world
of the rich. You're gonna get richer, run for your lives,
and it's never true. Our political media does this, our
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sports media does this. All I heard when the NIL
came out the rich are gonna get richer. Well, what's
gonna happen to Purdue? I don't know, what's always happened
to Purdue? You know, good basketball week football. The bottom
line here is the NIL and the transfer portal expanded
the field.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Ohio State feels like.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
They're the best team I think, and they won the
Natty last year and yet lost as a twenty point
favorite of Michigan and lost Oregon. So the five best
teams I've seen, and I think Ohio State's the best team,
and then everybody else on any given Saturday can beat
anybody else. I would do Georgia's second, Indiana third, Ole,
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miss fourth, Oklahoma fourth or fifth, Bama sixth. I don't
buy Texas A and M. I watched the entire game
this weekend. They trailed thirty to three at a half
to a really average team. They came back at and
won at home. But I just don't buy them. Nice win,
but I think they've played a pretty week schedule. I
don't buy them. I think they're like six or seventh best.
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Oklahoma to me has been really surprisingly good.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
But I mean out.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
We always do this, and the media is to blame
on this. It's always the worst scenario possible. It's always
tariffs are going to ruin the economy. Well, maybe they'll
puncture it a little, they'll bank ruin the We survived
a pandemic, We shut the economy down for six months
and survived. Take a deep breath. The end is not near.
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We do this in sports. This is going to all
the transfer portal is going to be.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Just fine, just fine.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
I mean, right now, Indiana football is better than LSU
Ole Miss football is better than Alabama. Did you think
that is what the NIL and the transfer portal we're
going to create. I don't know what tariffs do to
the economy, but good bad who knows. Probably not great.
I just think the media tends to exaggerate what's going
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to transpire when there's new stuff introduced to the market.
AI will eliminate all jobs. I bet it doesn't. I'm
gonna go with it.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Doesn't.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
I'm gonna go where we survive it and it expands
the economy eventually. But I'm watching college football the last
two weekends, and I mean it's I watched Iowa USC
came down to a play. I watched Michigan Northwestern came
down to a kick.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
You know, I'm watching all these games.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
I mean, the only thing I know is if Georgia
plays Texas, Georgia is gonna win. That is all I know.
I think Ohio State's the best team in the country.
It is, you know, just to show you how college
football has changed. Ohio State used to be linebacker territory
and running back territory. It's all wide receivers and quarterbacks
now so, but I think that college football.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
To me, there's no.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Gap between Clemson, Indiana, Notre Dame USC. It looks very
close to me. It all looks mushed in the middle.
Oklahoma's better than I thought they would be. Indiana's obviously emerged,
But I don't see a big gap between Oregon and Iowa.
I did five years ago. I don't now J Mack
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with the news. This is the herd line news, all.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
Right, Colin, let's get started with this Lamar Jackson kind
of clunker against the Cleveland Browns. Browns did cover the
spread very nice showing. Obviously the injury to Gabriel hurt
and Shador wasn't great. But let's let's focus on Lamar
for a second.
Speaker 5 (04:20):
Colin.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
I don't know how close you watches. He does not
have the same juicy once had for carries ten yards.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
I get it.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
The Browns defense is scarming. Miles Garrett was tremendous. We'll
get to him shortly. Here's Harball on the Ravens climbing
back into the AFC North Race.
Speaker 6 (04:37):
We're five and five, Our head's just above water. We're
just above water breathing. We're not even out of the water.
It's a typical AFC North battle. And I'm proud of
the guys for the way they played and what they
had to do to find a way to win that
game in the second half to win and did it.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Yeah, I might think it's realistic that a quarterback and
he's not Josh Allen or big Ben big.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
I mean, look at it.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Cam Newton and Big Ben got old very fast and
they're a huge athletes six six two sixty. Lamar's pretty slender.
How many years can you take hits? So I mean,
I mean Cam is as big a quarterback, Ben as
big a quarterback as you're gonna see. Michael Vick once
told me about year four. He's like he took a
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hit from London Fletcher and he's like, yeah, I don't want.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
To do this anymore. I think it was London Fletcher.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
So I mean my take is Lamar is still amazing,
but it's not you age and when you take hits
for a guy. I don't know how much he weighs
two fifteen to eighteen two twenty. I don't know how
big he is. He's gotten bigger, but I think it,
and I also think we have to give Cleveland credit.
They have a really good roster. They just don't have
an elite quarterback. Cleveland's got dudes, they got a really
good defense.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
They show up at home.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
Let's drill down on Miles Garrett for a second, Colin,
he is unbelievable right now.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
Four sacks.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
Second time this season he's had four sacks. Here's my thing.
Miles Garrett's playing on an awful team going nowhere. They're
not suddenly making the playoffs next year. Miles Garrett turns
thirty in December. Come, I'm just curious. If I'm Cleveland,
I go into this offseason, we got a lot of questions.
I'm looking to trade Miles Garrett. Somebody is going to
give up at least two ones for him. He's at
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at a level that's higher than Micah Parsons right now.
I think if you're you're a Kansas City Chiefs, I mean, heck,
you're you're a Buffalo Bills, You've got to kick the
tires and say, can we just get Miles Garrett and
go in because you've got a game plan.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Well, what Miles Garrett, what if the Rams would have
done that with Aaron Donald. Aaron Donald, there.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Was no duplicate.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
When you have the best player in the world at
his position and it's a key position, I don't think
you trade them.
Speaker 5 (06:32):
But the Rams were always a contender with Staff.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Oh no, no, if you go to the last couple
of years of Jeff Fisher.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
They were well that that was early, early in his career.
I mean, like, you know, you get late, like thirty
years old from Miles Garrett.
Speaker 5 (06:44):
I think you get what you can for him at
this point.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
Don't you know if somebody goes to you and says
two ones and a.
Speaker 5 (06:50):
Four and five, aren't you doing that instantly?
Speaker 1 (06:52):
No, Cleveland's already got enough ones. Cleveland doesn't have a
first round pick shortage. Cleveland has a quarterback shortage. They
don't have I have a short When you have the
best player in the world at any position and they're
still performing at an elite.
Speaker 5 (07:06):
Level, I'm not trading them. But Dallas just did that.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
No, no, no, you're not listening. Mike is not close
to Miles. How many four SAC games does Mike have?
Miles Garrett is literally next to lt the most dominant
edge rusher in the history of football. But Mike is
a fourth fifth best. I take Max Crosby. I would
take TJ. Watts better against the run, I'd take Miles
(07:31):
get Mike is a really elite ed rusher, He's not
the top three in the sport. I take Aiden Hutchison
over Micah Parsons absolutely.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Oh my, Okay, I did not expect they would go there. Okay,
let's move on to the Bears and Vikings. Colin Bears
get lucky once again. Hey, better to be lucky than good.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
Sometimes. Let's focus on JJ McCarthy for a moment, shall we?
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Sixteen of thirty two for a buck fifty spray in
the ball all over the yard and showed his frustrations
on the side line throughout you I mean, he's just
missing throws.
Speaker 5 (08:01):
That was a terrible one right there. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
Kevin O'Connell was asked about JJ after the game, and
I don't know, listen to this.
Speaker 7 (08:11):
He was frustrated, and I just I just kept telling him,
you know, feet and eyes, feet and eyes and and
the and the things that we saw throughout the week
on the practice field. You know, make it about that.
You know, with a with a young quarterback, there's going
to be a lot of things that will will pinpoint
and continue to highlight and tie that preparation throughout the week,
and our plans to you know, what he does well
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and continue to coach at things that where we feel
the emphasis needs to be on.
Speaker 5 (08:37):
Is there a level of performance that he would get
would need to get.
Speaker 7 (08:40):
To for you to consider whether he's just to be
replaced in the game.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Yeah, I don't. I'm not going to get into any
of that right now.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
Oh not a resounding vote of confidence. That being said,
Wentz is chose for the year. The backup is his kid,
the rookie from Minnesota, Brasmer or.
Speaker 5 (08:55):
Something like that.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Colin Again, McCarthy wasn't good and you look at the
numbers this season, these are Jared Goffl. Like with Jeff Fisher,
if you remember those days you referenced earlier, I.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Would just keep playing him till the end of the season.
You've got to get an answer. Maybe it pops. I
don't think there's any reason to bench him. I just think, listen,
you know what, you give up a fourth and a fifth,
just plan the rest of the season. This is not
a situation where he's got a defensive coach and no
legitimate receivers. Now, Jordan Edison had two ugly drops, but
this is a good tool belt for a quarterback to have.
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All the weapons are there. I would just give him
another how many games left? Six seven starts. I just
keep starting him, keep playing him, get the reps. Maybe
it clicks. There's no reason to rush. Kevin O'Connell's job
is not in danger. Justin Jefferson still in his prime.
It's a good operation. Sometimes you just you don't have
Again it's my media criticism.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
You don't have to rush anything. Just let it play out.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
You're not a super Bowl team with him. Sometimes you
need to get answers and you have to have them
solidified so you can go back to the owner and
GM and go okay, a definitive answer. If you just
try to mess around with him. Now, some people in
the room may be like, well he deserves it. Just
keep starting him, keep giving him reps. So at the
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end of the year, three or four people owner, GM,
head coach coordinator can all go in a room and
all agree yay or nay. That's why I think you
just have to find the answer. There's no hurry.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
So Michael Pennix. Remember started like four or five games
down the stretch last year. He's the starter. This year
he has not been great. He's gonna start next year
when he comes back from this injury. You got to
give these guys time. You can't be like, hey, five
games bench him like that. I don't know why the.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
Media is so focused on McCarthy like that. Final story is.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
The Cowboys tonight the big Quinn Williams debut.
Speaker 5 (10:43):
Yes, the new.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Defensive tackle they got from my jets. He is itching
to go. Here's Quinn Williams on his debut to night
against the Raiders.
Speaker 8 (10:52):
I'm super excited. I'm like you said, man, I haven't
played a game in a lone of the minutes. I'm
super excited and owned to play a football game. But
to play for his organization, man, to play for this team,
to play for the guys in our deep as a
line room. They took a chance on me and trade
it for me and did the things that they feel like.
I can come into contribute and hit this organization go
in the right direction, and that's all I plan to do.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
So.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Wasn't there a movie called Escape from New York? That's
what that says Sauce Gardener and Quinn and Williams escape
from New York. I'm excited to watch him play. Yeah,
it's a weird game. I mean, I didn't the Raiders
don't do anything right. Three and a half the hook,
be careful, but.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
You gotta score it. Come on, let's let's hear it.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Twenty eight twenty four Cowboys. Wow close, I'll go twenty
seven to seventeen. Cowboys. By the way, more excited for
Quinn Williams tonight or Sauce Gardener against the Chiefs Sunday
Colts Chiefs which a.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Yeah, oh yeah, Chiefs are favored in that game.
Speaker 5 (11:52):
I think na half yep, you got a factor in
Sauce Gardner Colin Oh, I can't wait.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
Hey, it's nice to see Jets, you know, itching towards
maybe postseason.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
That's that's fun. I can root for them because the
team ain't going anywhere.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Jmack with the News, Well that's the news, and thanks
for stopping by the line News. One of the craziest
games had to be the Rams holding off the Seahawks,
and I just want to bring back a couple of
minutes with Sean McVay. The energized coach of the Rams.
There's this postgame celebration on from an atmosphere perspective, what
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was it like this this very tough divisional matchup that
came down to the end.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
What was the intensity like on the sidelines.
Speaker 9 (12:37):
I'll tell you what.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
I love this group.
Speaker 9 (12:38):
They energized me, Colin, and I tell you just the
way that these guys stay connected.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
It was a unique game.
Speaker 9 (12:44):
There wasn't a lot of possessions in plays that the
offense had, but our defense kept making them snap it
one more time, forcing turnovers, tightening up in the red area,
being good in crunch time situations, guys stepping up Ethan Evans,
you know. So we're finding different ways to win. We've
had examples where we put it all together, and then
we've had examples where we have to be able to
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play off with one another and ultimately come away with
more points than the other team. And that's a great
football team. But I was fired up for our group.
And I just love the resolve of this team and
the way that they stay connected most importantly, and I.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Was fired up. My mom's gonna be yelling at me.
Speaker 9 (13:20):
For the curse words. They gotta be careful having a
two year old around. He repeats everything I say, So
I got to clean up language.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Yeah, those two year olds are like their parents. They
say everything you say. You're gonna hear it back later
when you You guys have had success with Darnold and
Sam sometimes can play a little fast, a little frenetic,
and kach Schule has done that on your staff. I
thought a couple of times my interpretation was Sam saw
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stuff late. He was just a beat late. Is that
scheme coverage? Pass rush? Why the success against Sam? Because
Sam had played mostly clean this year, but he was
late on stuff?
Speaker 3 (13:59):
What do you at that for?
Speaker 9 (14:01):
Yeah, well, I think Sam has done a great job,
and I totally agree how well he's played. I think
it's the epitome of Russian coverage playing together.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
And that's why I always think.
Speaker 9 (14:09):
Stats are for losers because we had zero sacks, but
those four interceptions were such a great combination of he
gets sped up with Russian coverage. You feel that pocket collapse.
He has to deliver the ball earlier than he wants.
I mean, you look at Punaford coming free. That forces
Darius Williams pick. We had a bunch of examples on
all four where it was a combination of he's sped
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up or he's having to accelerate his process of reading
with his feet, and then guys are in windows that
maybe they shouldn't be because he's not able to see
it and play on the time in rhythm that he wants.
But it was a great job by our group as
a whole bringing it to life. And I think you
see on all four of those interceptions the consistent theme
is there's a push in the pocket, there's somebody flashing
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across his face, and there's guys connected and in their
spots on the back end.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Yeah, when you were in the second and third quarters,
you guys barely had the ball. When you would talk
to Stafford, was your sense, listen, let's just play clean,
Let's not give many short fields here.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
They're athletic enough.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Or were you getting frustrated because I mean there was
at an hour and a half period where you didn't
have the ball much. Is that cycle that that period?
Speaker 3 (15:19):
What do you do? What are you doing as a coach?
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Are you like you're making defensive plays, I'm comfortable with it,
or are you on the headset with Matt and saying
let's try this, this, this. Are you staying on the
game plan?
Speaker 9 (15:29):
Yeah, I'm with the defense during those things, and then
we have dialogue. It was it was frustrating just when
you look at it from an offense advantage point, because
you know, you have the first four drives.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
Of the game where you go right down, you.
Speaker 9 (15:41):
End up, you know, missing on a fourth and one,
Then we end up scoring, you score again, and then
our fourth drive represents a three and out where we
didn't do what we were supposed to do. Then the
then the next time we touched that's with eight minutes
left in the second quarter. Then you come back midway
through the third quarter and you have a two place
sequence where we turn it over. So you've had five
plays and what's probably real time an hour and a half.
(16:03):
Like you mentioned, it is frustrating and it can get
a little misleading when you go back and you watch it.
You know, the margin prayer slim against a great team
like that. But our guy stayed in the fight, and
I thought Matthew did a phenomenal job of being able
to play the game the way it needed to be played.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
We didn't.
Speaker 9 (16:19):
We weren't able to sustain drives and just you know
the possession was how it was. He didn't have as
many opportunities, but he took care of the football, got
the ball where it was supposed to go. They didn't
take negatives. We did some things pre snaff that's uncharacteristic.
But we'll look forward to being able to clean this up.
And like I said in that locker room, it's a
blessing for us to be able to learn from it
against an excellent outfit like yesterday was.
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Speaker 1 (17:51):
Last seven games, twenty two touchdowns, no picks for Stafford.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Could I that's crazy, argue?
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Could I argue facing your defense in practice, with its
mobility and flexibility and dexterity, that that actually benefits Matt
because he's not fasing a defense on the field that's
as good as practice. Does that help in your opinion?
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Yeah, I think I think it helps him.
Speaker 9 (18:17):
You know, when we do do the few plays a week.
But I think he's just playing really well. I think
the guys around him are playing well. I think he's
really understanding how to be able to play like this
is where you see the seventeen years of experience and understanding.
You know, where are those spots that I can be
more aggressive? Where can I be smart with the football?
I think guys have played well around him, and you
know the best part is is he's so grateful to
(18:39):
be able to get the win. And I thought he
did really what he could relative to how the game unfolded.
There was a couple bad plays that I had on
some g on some second down and tense situations that
I didn't help us. But he's just doing a great
job of understanding the totality of how the game is
supposed to be played, you know, through the quarterback, but
from a coach's vantage point. And it's still is aggressive,
(19:00):
but it's not reckless.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
I want to ask you before we go. You're very progressive.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
You very much follow the analytics, but there are moments
in games where I do I always call it analytics,
where I just want to see men make plays.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
I'm not going by the book.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
I trust my team, how I want you viewed as
one of the smarter guys in this sport with analytics?
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Are there ever times that you literally.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Get on the headside or you talk to Matt and
you're like, yeah, I'm just going to do this. I
just feel this. How do you weigh analytics one hundred percent? I?
Speaker 9 (19:33):
Well, here's the thing that I would say, I have
tremendous respect for taking all these things in for the input,
but in a lot of instances they got all the
answers and no accountability to the outcomes, you know. And
so I do think there's a feel for the flow
of the game. There's twenty two moving parts that are unpredictable.
And it's not just these decisions aren't made in a box,
but you're betting on people, You're betting on different scenarios, situations,
(19:56):
What are the matchups based on what you're projecting, stematic lead,
you know, and so all those things way into it.
But I thought our fourth down conversions offensively were key
and critical that led to scoring drives. Whether it's our
first touchdown from two yards out from Kiren, whether it
ended up being a fourth and one run where he
goes for thirty four and then we end up hitting
DeVante two plays later.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
So guys have done a good job. But it's a
part of it.
Speaker 9 (20:19):
It's not the only part of it, uh because I
just think this game has so many moving parts with
twenty two variables every single snap.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Who's your leader on defense? It's young, who's your leader?
Speaker 9 (20:30):
Well, we've got great leaders across the board. I think
what's cool is we've got captains on all three levels,
where Kobe Turner, Nate Landman, and then Quinton Lake, you know,
they've done a great job. I think in you know, innately,
some of these guys that are thrust into a leadership
role with the communication. Landman's such a great communicator, Quinton
Lake's been outstanding. But those three captains, but I could
(20:51):
name some other guys that stepped.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Up in a big way.
Speaker 9 (20:53):
I think the cool thing is we got a bunch
of guys that have leadership capacity.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Those were the guys.
Speaker 9 (20:58):
That were voted all with captains, but there's.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
A lot of guys.
Speaker 9 (21:00):
You know, you don't have to be a captain to
be a leader, and I think, you know, our team's
got a lot of guys with those natural traits and characteristics.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Yeah, it's interesting when he talks about analytics. Last night,
as Jamak pointed out, Detroit kept going forward on fourth down,
and a lot of times I watched these games and
I'm like, are you home or your way? Like, I
think it's very difficult to me. I don't love Detroit
last night. Keep going for it, keep going forth? Why
(21:27):
because the interior d line of the Eagles is the
best in the sport and they are analytics. Dave Roberts
in the World Series, you know, there was some stuff
that he didn't buy the book he went with.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
You know, Miguel Rojas, I trust him. I kind of.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Feel like he's going to make a play. And you know,
I guess politics has some of that too, where there's
some instinct. You've been around, You've run a lot of campaigns,
you kind of have a feel for stuff. But yeah,
I mean I I always use the term analytics. Something
else has been brought to my attention. I don't don't
really pay attention. I don't keep track of this, but
I've been told that the Blazing five went five and
(22:06):
oh last week. The heater continues. I am hitting on
a sixty one point eight percent clip that's the good news.
The bad news is I don't like the lines at
all this week. I like the Green Bay line and
that's about it. If CJ. Stroud plays. I like the
(22:26):
Texans getting a bunch of points against Buffalo, but both
of us had a very good weekend. But I want
to go back to the analytics part again. I believe
in getting all the information in whatever it is, politics, sports,
Wall Street, tech. Just give me all the information. But
there is a moment in analytics doesn't weigh momentum. Analytics
(22:49):
doesn't weigh well, I've got an injured right guard and
the Eagles defensive interior is the best in the sport?
Am I home or away? What's the weather like? Are
we playing with a ton of momentum or confidence? And
like last night, I thought, like you said, the line
was Dan Campbell was on tilt. I'm just gonna go
for it. And I'm like I and Greg Olson and
(23:10):
I would argue on this. There are times in games
I just want the point. I like playing with leads.
When you play with the lead, you forced teams to
make decisions. They wouldn't have trailing or I wouldn't have leading.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
So I like the lead football games early and late.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
The NFL isn't blackjack.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
People are trying to act like it's hey, play by
the book, you know the rules, this is what you're
supposed to do.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
That's not what the NFL is.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
Colin, for example, you know you and I on this show,
we have certain topics we're gonna cook and they're gonna
be awesome. But the analytics say, oh, you can't talk
about that team or that sport. It's not gonna work. No,
we understand each other and know.
Speaker 5 (23:47):
What can pop. Look at Mike McDaniels, did you watch it?
Speaker 4 (23:51):
Dlphin's I was losing my mind. Okay, all you need
to win the game is a field goal from like
the two yard line. Oh e, the line was two
and a. I was on Dolphins and he goes.
Speaker 5 (24:02):
For it and they fail, and I'm like, what the
hell are you doing? And they go to overtime they
get lucky. But like sometimes you just got to.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
Like go I think that that's smart and forget the analytics.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
That reminded me that Mike McDaniel move reminded me of
a Brandon Staley move when he went forward against the
Raiders deep in his own territory.
Speaker 5 (24:21):
That's right, and you're like, bro, what on earth are
you doing?
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Even if you.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Pick the first down up, you're still three to four
first downs away from a field goal attempt. Like, so
you have to weigh the pros and the cons. Am
I taking a risk here, Like in the Miami game.
My take was, Dude, you're in Berlin. It's an ugly game.
Speaker 5 (24:43):
Wait was it Berlin?
Speaker 3 (24:44):
Yeah? I think it was Berlin. You're in an ugly game.
Washington doesn't have much.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
They're on a backup quarterback, kick the field goal, take
the lead over in Europe, and if they beat you,
they'd beat you. That was a prime example where it
just drove me absolutely crazy.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
Some of these coaches make really puzzling even what's his
name Eagles coach Siriani last night, like some of the
decisions he was making in his own end the twist
push was not working, Colin, he still went to it
with I think the backup center it failed, and now
you gave Detroit three free points. I'm like, man, what
are you thinking?
Speaker 8 (25:24):
Yeah, h.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Wrap it up in Chicago next to Hurt.
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Speaker 3 (25:55):
By the way, is it just me?
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Or is Matt hassel bad still got his doubts with
Caleb Williams.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
I know he likes.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Ben Johnson, but here was Matt earlier on if he
buys Caleb Williams and the Bears at seven and three.
Speaker 12 (26:15):
Caleb is a young player learning on the fly, and
as he's learning, they're winning. He's morphing into Ben Johnson's
kind of quarterback.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
Is he there?
Speaker 12 (26:23):
No? I don't think he is. He's really not, but
they seem to find ways to win. That's what happens
with DNA Culture Center type coaches. You set a standard
and an expectation for the details and the discipline that
are going to happen in your organization every single day.
Do I think this is their year without after I
say all that, No, they haven't really beat anybody, but
(26:45):
the schedule's getting tougher here we'll find out who they
really are.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
You know what's interesting when you say they haven't beaten anybody,
it's so funny because the teams were the best records.
Philadelphia doesn't really have an offensive identity. Rams are really
really good and a very clean version of the best
team in the league. Patriots have an identity but are
(27:11):
really young at quarterback. And Denver is uneven but great late.
It's been i mean, one of the teams that week
in and week out in the last six weeks, there's
two teams that just look like the best teams. Rams
New England have beaten teams mostly soundly, play clean football,
(27:32):
don't make a ton of mistakes.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Everybody else.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
I mean, there are variations of why you shouldn't like them.
Saquon Barkley's inability to hit on big plays this year.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
What's Philadelphia's offense? They keep winning?
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Denver, you don't quite know what you're getting. They're uneven,
great late struggle early yesterday they scored in an opening drive.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
They hadn't done that in two months.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
So I still think like I still think Seattle is
a hand full. I think they're young and kind of
reckless and make mistakes and you have giveaways. Would I
would I would have no introy. You know the two
teams I wouldn't want to play in the playoffs Seattle
because they have knockout potential. You could find yourself down
twenty one nothing fast against Seattle. They're just going one
(28:18):
hundred miles and in the Colts because everybody would say,
well it's Daniel Jones. You go in as a favorite
and all of a sudden you end up going to Indy.
You know you're Buffalo, you're a wild card team because
the Patriots, you know, you look at the NFC playoff
picture right now, the team that would just horrify me
because if you played the Rams or the Eagles, you
(28:40):
would be an underdog, right You'd be like, well, you
shouldn't beat them. Everybody thinks you should beat Seattle if
you win your division, like like Tampa wins your division
and they've got to go play you know, they get
to go play Seattle at home, and you think, oh,
we're a favorite or at helm yikes. Seattle is a
total handful. If you go over to the AAC It's
(29:01):
similarly with the Colts.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
The Cults are going to win their division. They're going
to play a home game.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
You know, if you're the Bills and you go to Indy,
everybody in the world thinks you or your Baltimore, You're
Pittsburgh can go to Indy, right, everybody thinks, well, it's
Daniel Jones.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
I'm telling you.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
The Seahawks roster and the Colts roster, young, athletic, getting better, ascending,
little mistake prone. Daniel Jones can be a little mistake
prone Sam Darnold. Little mistake prone that keeps you out
of the Super Bowl, may keep you out of a
conference championship. But I look at the Colts and I
look at the Seahawks and no thanks. Those those teams
(29:40):
have dudes everywhere and most of the the Seahawks may
be a dog in their first you know, they'll go
to Tampa and be an underdog and everybody's like, oh, Baker,
he's at home.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
No, I wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
I would not want to face Seattle at all. And oh,
by the way, we mentioned this earlier, Uh, Philadelphia, very interesting.
Lane Johnson is going to be out for probably a month.
It's not season ending, Jalen Hurts without Lane Johnson five
and nine and a passer rating in the seventies. So
(30:15):
you think the Philadelphia offense is struggling to find an
identity before the game last night. He's a five time
All Pro offensive tackle, arguably best right tackle in the
sport in a long time. All right, well, first things first,
kind of a rough Sunday for Nick Wright, old friend
(30:36):
Nick Wright.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Little wobbly, little wobbly on the ropes. Nick right next,
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