Thoughts on Bo Nix, the great Broncos defense, and if they are the team to take over the AFC West
What to make a the Vikings and JJ McCarthy this season. Will McCarthy become a franchise QB with time?
Colin gives more reasons to not give up on the Seahawks and Sam Darnold
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Boy. He lives in Denver, three time Super Bowl champ
with the Broncos for several years and now Mark Slaret
is Fox Sports NFL analyst. So you get the weekend
off this weekend and you can watch football while many
of us were watching Kansas City and Denver. And you know,
(00:46):
it was interesting about bo Nix?
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Is that?
Speaker 1 (00:48):
And I think Caleb Williams falls into that. It's uneven.
It's you kind of feel like bo Nick should run more.
The Bears do run more as a team. I keep
coming down. This is something that really impresses me about Bonex.
He has thrown the most passes in the league since
he arrived. And I said this earlier. The greatest compliment
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that a parent can give a child at an early
age is responsibility. I trust you picking up your sister
at school. I trust you. I'm leaving babysit your brothers
and sisters. Sean Payton has basically done what Andrew luck
felt with Bruce arians here's the whole playbook. Go for it,
and that's hard. They got a lot of penalties. So
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my takeaway and all the bow stuff is Sean Payton
is telling me listen, I'm giving you the whole playbook.
I'm giving you the Drew Brees playbook. Big Ben didn't
get that. I don't think Caleb's gotten that. That to
me is a real thing. Your thoughts on that theory
or that opinion.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Yeah, I think you're a hundred percent right. You know,
I've talked about it here a bunch on local radio
on my podcast. There are times when I'm like, hey man,
the answer is always simplify, Like, if you're having issues
with penalties, you're having issues with offensive you know, production,
if you're having issues lining up and you've got holding
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calls and you got procedural penalties and all those things.
Normally what you say is amen, it's too complicated and offensively.
You know, by the way you motion a bunch of
guys in there, you're shifting formations, you're getting play in
late all that stuff. Usually the answer, or it's always
been in my case, is simplify this. Let's make it
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easier on our players. And I think one of the
things Sean is saying to you is we've got a
defense that's ay championship caliber defense is a historic type defense, right,
So we have that aspect and we've got a quarterback
who can handle it. And what he's saying is, I'm
not worried right now about the regular season. Will win
games based on our defense in the regular season. To
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get where we want to go, which is a world championship,
we need the full compliment of offensive place. We need everything.
So if I simplify, then I'm not developing. If I simplify,
I'm not putting my quarterback with the most weapons available
when we get to the playoffs. If I simplify, I'm
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doing disservice to my football team. So I'm going to
put us in a tough position. I am not I'm
not going to pare down the offense. I'm not going
to quit with my personnel packages. I'm not going to
quit using motions and shifts. I'm going to load it
on my quarterback. He's going to play and Gun because
I think this is the best way for us to
have a championship run. And I think that's what Sean
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Payton is telling you right now, is that I'm not
going to do the things that make the most sense
because those things aren't going to help me come playoff time.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
So it was a different era. But when you played
with Elway, Elway could throw picks. Peyton Manning threw a
lot of picks. Eli Manning threw a lot of picks.
In fact, Aaron was one of the first quarterbacks where
you've got a lot of upside without picks, generally the
great ones the name of farv John Elway. You threw
double digit picks, and I've always defended I want my
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quarterbacks to take risks. If you go look at Andrew Luck,
he had nine games in his career with nine plus
uh with three plus picks, same as Sam Darnold. So
we look at Donald and me guys a disaster. Andrew
Luck five of the six seasons had double digit picks.
So I think Luck's more talented than Donald. But that
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was kind of my comp out of college. There's a
little bit of Andrew Luck there, a little reckless, but
man as he got an arm and man, is he
a playmaker when you.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Play it is? Yeah, yeah. I think one of the
other things with Sam Donald is listen, man, you went
to the Jets and that was a disaster, as it
is for a lot of people who go to the Jets,
and so you know that was a mess. And then
you go to Carolina where they're running a collegiate style
of ball offense. Then you choose to go to San Francisco,
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where you had other options, but you choose because you
want to be coached by Kyle Shanahan and progression and
progressing a progression offense. Then you go to Minnesota and
they decide they don't want you. I think sometimes you
get to the point where you're trying to press, where
you're trying to get to earn the contract that you got,
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and ultimately, for Sam Darlold, you just got to say, dude,
you earn this thing. Man, You're that good. And all
you have to be right now is judicious with the
football because we've got a football team that is phenomenal.
And you think about what happened. I thought the Rams
going into last weekend were the best team in the
National Football League. You turn the ball over four times,
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you give the Rams four short fields and you lose
a game twenty one to nineteen. You should lose that
game forty one to nineteen. That's how you should lose it.
That defense is that good. And oh, by the way,
Seattle gets into the red zone several times and they
end up kicking what four field goals?
Speaker 4 (06:07):
Like.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
There are certain games calling you walk away from as
a player, even though it's a loss, where you go,
we're damn good. Yeah, And I think Seattle would look
at this game in so far against the Rams team
that was hot, and you're sitting there going, dude, we
get those guys on a neutral site, we win that game.
We should have won that game right there, and you
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actually feel pretty good about what you were able to
accomplish in kind of a tough environment that didn't go
your way. So that's kind of how I would look
at that. If I'm Sam Darnold, quit trying to impress people.
You've already won the job. You're already that good. You've
had a phenomenal season. Man, just don't turn the ball over.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
So you know you were lucky you had really good
quarterback play. But it doesn't mean every quarterback you played
with was the right fit or the talent. And I
think you can fool a lot of people. You can
never fool the locker room. You can never fool pro athletes.
And I watched JJ McCarthy and I'm like, they got
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they got a tool set here. That's a good tool belt.
I got Justin Jefferson, Jordan Addison, a good running back,
good coach, good left tackle. Give me a time in
your career when you just knew the quarterback, wasn't it.
And what a player say privately that they won't say publicly,
what does it do to a locker room.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Yeah, it's tough when the guys, you know, struggling And
I've been in you know, I've been in that situation.
What you have to remember is JJ McCarthy didn't play
a lot in college. You know, he missed his rookie
year with the injury. And what I would tell you
about JJ McCarthy is he's going to the right place.
Like when I watch him on film, that's usually going
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to the right place. It is just inaccurate at times.
And he had some drops last weekend against Chicago, But
there are just too many throws that are just off
target throws and most of the time Colin, even in
Denver here when we talked about bow Nicks, when bow
(08:13):
Nix has struggled, it is because he has been so
sped up in the pocket that he gets frenetic. Yeah,
and when he gets frenetic, you know, he gets almost
he's so quick with his feet and he's so quick
in the pocket, and he's climbing the pocket that he's
ahead of the receivers, you know, coming out of breaks,
he's ahead of the receivers. And then he's inaccurate with
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the football. And that's what I see with JJ McCarthy,
just his level of inaccuracy or his level of just
being sped up in the pocket almost like he's too anxious.
And you've got to have energy in your feet, but
you've got to have smooth ability. I used to say
this about our colleague Tom Brady all the time. He's
the best scrambler I've ever seen that never left the pocket,
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and it just was there's this fluid nature in the
pocket where it never looks you know, rushed, It never
looked hurried, it never looked frenetic, it never it just
looked you know, smooth, and it allowed him to throw
with unbelievable accuracy. And that's what I see the issue
being with McCarthy. There's just way too many off target throws.
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But the good news for me is I look at
it and go, hey, you're going to the right guy. Yeah,
you've got the right thought process here. We just got
to put these things on target. And that comes from
the feet up. You know, you've got to slow your
feet down and you've got to be a little bit
more methodical in the pocket so that you can have
some accuracy with your throws.
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Speaker 1 (10:53):
Let's wrap it up with this. Kansas City's interesting. They
won every close game last year, they've lost all of
them this year. We know the play calling is good,
we know Mahomes is talented. I do think they got
to rip the band aid off here with Travis Kelcey,
like he's really good about six times a year, but
he didn't. He was never a great blocker. He didn't
block it all. Now when you look at Kansas City,
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do you still put them in that, oh they could
win the whole thing bubble? Or do you just you've
been on teams where it's just not right, it's just
not the year. How do you feel about him?
Speaker 7 (11:27):
Right?
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Yeah, you know they're sitting at five and five right now,
and you're right like, it's not like, Hey, it's coming
off of bye week. Andy Reeve was twenty one and
four coming off bye weeks. They've got a bye week
going into Denver. They knew Denver's defense was legitimate. They
knew that the Denver Broncs are playing pretty good football.
This is you know, you don't win this game, You're
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probably not winning the AFC West for the first time
in what nine years. Like they knew all this stuff
was on the line, and yet they still could not
perform in critical moment and third downs. I think there
were five of sixteen the Denver Broncos foot on a
clinic on third down how to shut down a prolific offense.
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And they've got their weapons back, so yeah, something's off calling.
They don't look like the same football team. Now listen
at five and five. Could I see them fighting their
way back into the playoffs? Absolutely? Will they be dangerous? Yeah,
they still have the pedigree of Mahomes and Andy Reid
and Spags and like, they're still that team. But boy,
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they're they're just a little bit off right now. I
still think they're better than Houston. I don't think Houston
has an offense. You see Jacksonville up there. I think
they're better overall than Jacksonville do. Jacksonville did beat them
on that Monday night game. But yeah, they're they're kind
of on the outside looking in right now. But I
still think they're a dangerous football team.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Okay, well, finally, look at Denver. You cover them, you're
in that city. If the Denver's gonna win their division.
If you said there's one team I don't want to play,
you're not going to probably play New England, They'll probably
win their division. If I said there's one team Denver
doesn't match up with as a number one seed, that's
not guaranteed one or two. If they get the one,
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they get to buy. But is there a team that
they've been betteran in the regular season it's a bad
matchup for Sean Payton and bow Nicks in round one.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Well, I would say that the team that would scare
me on that of all those teams would probably be Buffalo.
And I know that they're defensively, they're challenge right now.
They have not been able to shut down the run
game though the Broncos can't run the ball. They're not
running the ball with great efficiency right now, and they
lost JK. Dobbins. But it's just the overall superman mentality nature,
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which is a double edged sword, as you know with
Josh Allen, I mean last weekend three touchdowns passing, I
think two rushing. I mean, the guy was phenomenal and
I don't think that's the way to win a championship,
but it certainly can you know, can bounce you out
of a playoff game without question. They're They're the team
that really concerns me the most good stuff. Mark schlaur
(14:09):
As always no game this week. You gotta sit home
and watch games. How much fun is that?
Speaker 7 (14:13):
I know?
Speaker 3 (14:13):
How about that? How good is that going to be?
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Well? Last week you had Titans Texans, and I pity
you did excellent.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
I told everybody on our Crew. I go, hey, man,
at halftime, this is gonna be I guarantee you Tennessee
has got a really decent defense. They don't show up
because they get worn out. But I guarantee it's going
to be a one score game. I didn't realize there
would be only one score, three points that that part,
I didn't realize.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
It was my good scene.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
You all right, man, take care.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
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Herdline news.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Yes, all right.
Speaker 7 (14:51):
Let's get started with the spitting incident from over the weekend.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Colin Weird. I think it's like the third one of
these this season in the NFL.
Speaker 7 (14:58):
So obviously there was the Jamar Chase Jalen Ramsey dust
up which led to Chase spitting. He denied it after
the game at one angle clearly clearly showed as you
could see on the screen there Chase spat at him. Obviously,
the NFL decided to suspend him for one game. He's
gonna appeal it. He ain't gonna win that. As you
can see the video and the line on Bengals Patriots
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has ballooned up from seven to eight and a half.
All of a sudden, Patriots have Christian Gonzalez, right, put
him on te Higgins and go ahead and beat us.
Joe Flacco. I like the Patriots here, Colin. I don't
like this from Jamar Chase, who overall seems like a
good dude, really good dancer. His celebrations are excellent, but
this is come.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
On, I don't get it.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
I just I.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Don't know what drives you to do that.
Speaker 7 (15:46):
Well, not shown here is a right before this, Jalen
Ramsey kind of hit him after a pass. It was
a hard hit, it was an incomplete pass, really drilled him,
and Chase was ticked off thought it was dirty, so
he retaliated with this.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
But what do they say, too wrong, don't make a
right or something like that. I don't know.
Speaker 7 (16:01):
I don't make a lot of wrongs, so I'm not saying.
But anyway, so Chase suspended Joe Burrow.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
No word yet.
Speaker 7 (16:08):
We're keeping an eye on that. Now, Burrow, all of
a sudden can play that changes the calculus of this game.
But I still think the Bengals are toasted season, right.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Yeah, they They're not a playoff team.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
All right.
Speaker 7 (16:19):
Let's move on to Shineur Sanders. He had his debut
in the second half against the Ravens under duress much
of the game. It's starting to look like Collins could
get the NOD for his first NFL start against the
Vegas Raiders this weekend. Here's Kevin Stefanski talking about his
quarterbacks after practice.
Speaker 8 (16:40):
Chador is putting in great work and you know on
the field, in the meeting room, he will be better
with all with reps that he's getting, like any player.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Would be better. But we trust him.
Speaker 8 (16:53):
Uh and he's somebody that's that's continued to put in
the work and will continue to do so.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
You know, this is the strangest I always thought Tim
Tebow had the most illusional fans. I think Shadors surpassed that.
This idea, this this criticism of Stefanski, Well, he's not
getting a lot of first team reps. Being a backup
quarterback means you often, don't you do you? Tom Brady
would not give his backups first team reps, any of them.
(17:22):
The great ones are not giving. If you think Brett
Farr was given Aaron Rodgers first team reps as far
was getting poked in the ribs by you know, snarky
funny Aaron Rodgers, Josh Dobbs won a game in the
NFL so for three hundred and fifty yards without a practice.
Baker Mayfield, with one practice, had a fourth quarter drive
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to win a game for the Rams. It's a dumb argument.
There are certain jobs that you I mean, it's like
it's a you remember they used to have beepers, you know,
like you if you were a reporter or a surgeon,
you got to be for a drug dealer. That's why
my parents wouldn't let me get one. Well, I mean,
you get beeped at three in the morning. Yeah, you're
not always well rested. When you're a surgeon. You're gonna
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go in sometimes in the middle of a night. That's
part of the job description. If you're a quarterback in
this league, you're not a starter. You're not getting first
team reps. It's called preseason. I mean you may get
mop up duty twice a year, So that is a week.
That's a week toss at Kevin Stefani his job. By
the way, Dylan Gabriel.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Is a rookie.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Why would he give him? Why would he not give
him every rep at every practice? He's trying to make
sure that Dylan Gabriel can stabilize his game. It's not
like he's a thirteen year veteran.
Speaker 7 (18:39):
Yeah, I should point out you mentioned Josh Dobbs and
that was, of course a memorable game. His nickname was
the Pastronaut, remember, because he was allegedly like one of
the smartest guys out there.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
He just show up boost physicist. Yeah he was smart, right. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (18:52):
I don't know what che Door's degree was at Colorado.
I'm gonna guess it wasn't astrophils.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
I mean, let's just say this, he was very, very
typical of a rookie who was on the scout team
that was injected into a game against a very good team.
That's what you look like. Just stop making excuses you
don't get first team reps. I go look at you know,
I go to Tony Gonzalez's career. Tony Gonzalez was a
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great tight end who liked the block too. How many
times do you think Tony said, hey, backup, we're doing
some red zone stuff. Why don't you insure yourself and
you can get some reps with my quarterback. That's not
the way the sport works. Backups or backups, you don't
get first team reps regularly. I'll just say this.
Speaker 7 (19:35):
I watch the Raiders last night. You watch that game.
Their defense is not good. Deck did whatever he wanted.
Now Dak has better weapons. There's a world where six
Shaduer had some success on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Come, I'm not going to shock you. I wouldn't be
shocked if he throws for two hundred and fifty yards
and they beat the Raiders. Let me be honestly, let me.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Ask you this.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
You love Rock Purty. How many first team reps do
you think he got before Trey Lance and Jimmy g
got hurt?
Speaker 2 (19:57):
None?
Speaker 1 (19:58):
And he stepped in is the last guy taking in
the seventh round and was very good first start. He
wasn't getting first team reps, So stop making excuses. If
you can play, you can play. Yeah, I'll be rooting
for him against the Raiders. No, he was fine. He
wasn't as bad as people say. But he runs backwards
and Dylan Gabriel doesn't as often, and that's a lot
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of what coach I mean, coaches would Ben Johnson say
the first thing you wanted to get rid of from
Caleb negative plays. So Shadora has a tendency he did
in college to take off and run the wrong way.
It's like, Bro, you're not that athletic Josh Allen can
do that. It's not what you should be doing.
Speaker 7 (20:38):
Final story constant the NBA, Well, Lebron James May May
make his season debut tonight against the Utah Jazz at home.
Here at the Crypt, Lebron ramped up with the Lakers
G League affiliate.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Was it practice? You could see the videos all over Instagram.
Speaker 7 (20:57):
I'm excited for this one. I know Utah has been
up and down. They got a couple guys. They were
in like a triple overtime game the other night. Lebron
returning is huge, huge for the NBA. I know some
people don't like Lebron.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
That's fine.
Speaker 7 (21:11):
We're talking about the greatest player of all time at
his age coming back to the Lakers, the best brand
in the NBA. Luca Reeves like, there's a lot of
fun storylines here.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
I'm gonna go ahead and go.
Speaker 7 (21:23):
Lebron plays fifteen minutes tonight and you lead the show
with the King tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Hi May He's gonna take some shots away from Austin Reeves,
not Luca, but Austin. He'll take shots away from Ruey
and Austin Austin Reeves is cool with that.
Speaker 7 (21:36):
He's a team player. He's not a selfish individual. You
want that forty large, better get your shots.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
He's taking a hometown discount. He's already on record. He
loves it in Los Angeles. Doesn't want to go to
the Bulls, doesn't want to go to Milwaukee Bucks. For
your honest he loves la Jmack with a news.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd lot.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Nobody's saying Lebron's talent isn't an additive to a team.
But I've said before is that Luca Lebron and Austin
Reeves there's a lot of duplication. They're very good with
the ball. I mean, Luca is the best offensive player
right now in the NBA. He wants the ball and
you got to give it to him. He's in his prime.
(22:20):
It's skinny jeans Luca. So there is implication. This team
does not have a rim protector, and they're not good
enough athletically on the wing defensively. So when you have duplication,
you know, it's like a team that that's got excellent
running backs but need some perimeter weapons. If you have
three good running backs, move one and get a number
two or number three perimeter weapon. So I just it's
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not that Lebron will make the team worse, but it'll
look different, the spacing will be different. Austin Reeves will
get fewer looks, and Austin's very good with the ball.
Right now, Luca's second in usage rate, So the Lakers
are winning giving Luca the ball a lot. Lebron's going
to have the ball some He's going to probably drop
in usage right or Austin Reeves is, So the offense
won't look the same or feel quite the same. Yeah,
(23:06):
we'll see how what works out. It's the Herd.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
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Speaker 1 (23:19):
I was kind of it was funny this morning we
were talking about Sam Donald and Andrew Luck and I
we just we came in this morning. We do about
an hour and a half prep in the morning, and
I said, go look at Andrew Luck's career interception numbers,
because I had said years ago when he came into
the league. I said, I think Sam, you know Andrew
Luck played at Stanford in the PAC twelve and Sam
did at USC and I said, I bet their interception
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numbers are kind of similar. I had no idea how
similar they were. And again, Luck played in a weaker division.
He didn't have Belichick in his division twice a year,
and Andrew Luck had Bruce Arians. And when you look
at the Sam Donald Andrew Luck, That's why I've defended
Sam Darnold. He's a playmaker. He can be reckless. Farv
was reckless, Elway was reckless. Andrew Look and Sam Darnold.
(24:02):
If you look at their career numbers, they're incredibly similar.
Sam's actually more accurate. But it's crazy. I mean their
passer ratings. Both have nine games with three plus interceptions,
And I mean, here was here was? I mean, I
just think, I like people love Cam Newton, and Cam
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Newton never had back to back winning seasons. Sam is
now going to have back to back winning seasons with
two different teams. Like it's about winning and if you
take the Jets out, Sam was a winner in Carolina
four and two, a winner in Minnesota, and a winner
in Seattle. So here was Sean McVay yesterday, despite picking
off four of his passes, talking about Donald.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
I think Sam has done a great job, and I
totally agree how well he's played. I think it's the
epitome of Russian coverage playing together. And that's why I
always think stats are for losers because we had zero sacks.
But those four interceptions were such a great combination of
he gets sped up with Russian cover, you feel that
pocket collapse, he has to deliver the ball earlier than
(25:03):
he wants. It was a great job by our group
as a whole bringing it to life. And I think
you see on all four of those interceptions the consistent
team is there's a push in the pocket, there's somebody
flashing across his face, and there's guys connected and in
their spots on the back end.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
And I thought Mark schlaer With had a point is
like Sam, this is a really good team. Just hold
the ball, eat it, dirt it take a sack. But
it is interesting because Andrew Luck, I thought was the
best quarterback prospect I'd ever seen since John Elway. And
to give you an example how good Luck was. I
don't think people understand this. He went eleven and five,
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eleven and five, eleven and five, and two of those
years the Colts arguably had the worst roster in the league.
As I love Josh Allen, he wasn't that good his
first two years, and he had a team that had
made the playoffs. He had a better roster Andrew Luck
is Tom Brady could not have won and he's the
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best quarterback ever. Joe Montana could not have won. Peyton
Mannon could not have won as many games as Andrew
Luck did his first two years with that roster. They
had one other player that was a Pro Bowl level player.
I was a cornerback I believe may have been a
special teamer. They just didn't have a lot of talent.
So my takeaway is that what Andrew Luck did is
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all time unique. And then he got you know, he
just got lung got, I believe, punctured, and it was
just really sad. But if you go back and look
at Luck, he's an all time talent that got knocked
out of the game physically. And yet if you look
at Sam's numbers, including the Toxic Jets, a lot of
them are the same. They both had nine three plus
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interception games. By the way, the worst game Luck ever
played four interceptions against Belichick. Well Sam had to play
Belichick twice a year, so Luck didn't and the worst
game Sam's had, He's had two really really bad games
in terms of interceptions. One was this past week and
one was last year in the playoffs against the Rams
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where they had multiple picks. So you know, it's just
and again, I think Luck's better. I'm not disputing that.
Speaking of great quarterbacks, Happy birthday to Caleb Williams. He
is officially twenty four years old today. Happy birthday. It's
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the great Caleb Williams. Come on, alhard, what do we
do comparing Darnald to Andrew Luck? And birthday shouted?
Speaker 2 (27:43):
No, no, no, I don't think this.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
I don't think Darnold's as good as Andrew Luck.
Speaker 7 (27:47):
Yeah, but somebody in an airport walking by the screen
is going to see that and be like, wait, what's
happening now. I mean, you made a decent argument, but
like if this went to court, you would just you
would lose the case for sure.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
No brainer, it's not even plus. I mean, yeah, I
am acknowledging. I mean, USC before Donald got there, was
not very good, and he got them to win a
Rose Bull over Penn State. I remember that game. He
kind of carried him and then he just went to
a place where nobody can win. So I loved him
on the Jets. I was rooting for him.
Speaker 7 (28:15):
When the remember the Giants passed on him. They were like,
we'll take a running back. I was like, oh my gosh,
I'm doing cartwheel Donald.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
He went twenty one and six at usc USC the
year before and the year after Donald thirteen and thirteen.
They did not have I mean, they did not have
a lot of talent. I think he played with Michael.
Did he play with Michael Pittman? I think he did.
I think might Michael Pickett may have been a freshman
or something. I could be wrong on that. So one
of the issues with Donald.
Speaker 7 (28:40):
Then again we're picking knits here, but he hasn't faced
any good defenses this year, Colin, and then he goes
up against the Rams.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Let me ask those four picks, and the Rams owned
him last year. Let me an he was in Minnesota.
Let me name five great defenses in the NFL.
Speaker 7 (28:54):
Right now, Okay, well that depending on what metric you want.
The Denver Broncos defense is great. The Houston Texans defense
is great. Didn't play great last week, but they're great.
The Philadelphia Eagles defense is outstanding.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Those are three.
Speaker 7 (29:06):
For sure, Seattle has one of the best defenses in
the league. I think you would agree with that. Yeah,
the fifth one is tricky. Off the top of my head,
I would say the Rams are up there in most categories.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
I think the Rams are really good. Yeah, they would
they would probably be. And I think the Eagles are
really good. Yeah, and I think Denver's really good. I
think Sam beat did not Yeah, Sam beat. He beat
the Texans earlier this year. Sam beat that defense at
twenty seven to nineteen. Yeah, you see that right there, Yeah, right, yeah.
Pittman was a freshman and a sophomore with Sam, so
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they that was his best teammate, Michael Pittman. But again,
I'm not Luck's better. I'm not. I'm not saying that
Luck is better, but I'm saying Sam his recklessness. The
comps on picks our luck. So here's my thing.
Speaker 7 (29:52):
If they don't win the division, Colin, they will have
to go on the road in the first round. Right now,
it might be Tampa Bay, which I think, you know,
not inclement weather there. But if he's got to go
outdoors to Green Bay, god forbid Chicago, I don't like
his chances.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Now, the defense will keep him in it.
Speaker 7 (30:13):
But outdoors Sam Darnold Colin'.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
I never worry about the outdoors with Sam. The outdoors,
I worry about Jared Goff or Tua. If it's cold
and winning, yeah, I don't worry about Sam and cold weather.
What I worry about Sam is they lead a game
and Sam gets sped up. Like McVeigh said, Sam and
this was a Luck thing. I also think Andrew, Luck
and Sam are so confident in their abilities. They're not
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deterred after a pick or two. They don't care. Brady
had that ability. Brady threw pick sixes and Super bowls.
Brady did not care. The ultimate confidence is you throw
a pick six, you throw a bad pick or two,
and you don't care. So that's the confidence, almost illusion,
that a great quarterback needs. One of the criticisms I've
had for years of Aaron Rodgers if he throws a
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second pick in the game, he shuts it down so
mentally he starts protecting his passer rating. You can see
the body language he deteriorates. He had one of those
games years ago. It may have been against Brady and Tampa.
It was windy, he had a couple bad picks. He
just kind of like Felty shut down and was protecting
his passer rating. Donald doesn't do it. Peyton didn't do that,
Brady didn't do that, Luck didn't do that. They don't care.
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They have inner scoreboard confidence. They're gonna let it rip.
And I respect that.
Speaker 7 (31:29):
Yeah. One of the problems with Darnald in the three
games against the Rams too, and I know two were
with in Minnesota last year. If he falls behind, he
don't know that they Yeah, he's presses, he's overthinking it.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
That's a tough spot put up. Put up the NFC
playoff picture, though, I'm telling you you do not want
to play Seattle in the playoffs. They'll probably be an underdog.
Remember what is Seattle on the road bizarrely great? Can
you imagine being the Rams or the Bears or the
Buck and hosting Seattle and Seattle is the best road
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team in the in the league. If tomorrow, if the
Seahawks play the Bears and the Bucks, I take Seattle
on the road.
Speaker 7 (32:10):
Yeah, I would. I would probably agree. Let me check
the Seahawks schedule. The Eagles are gonna win the NFC
barring some kind of major injury. If you're a schedule
lined the if you to Washington twice.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Ask yourself this. If you're the Eagles and you look
at the Seahawks, Packers, Niners, Detroit, and you could ask
Philadelphia who they don't want to play of those four?
You're not gonna play division winners. You're gonna play either Seattle,
Green Bay, San Francisco, Carolina, Dallas or Detroit. I guarantee
you Philadelphia would say we have no interest in Seattle,
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Green Bay, Green Bay is don't scoff at their defense.
They have no identity at all. I mean, you already
beat there. Coach Green Bay or Seattle lafloor. Obviously, McDonald's great,
But come on, if la floor, come on the floor
has been great. You asked me a question and gave
me the answer, I'd take McDonald over the floor. Yeah,
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based on one season that McDonald's been pretty good. I
needed one season with Sean McVay. I knew he was
better than ninety percent of the league. Fine quarterback, Donald
or love Coin flip? Oh my god, are you're clearly
all in on Seattle run game? Seattle athletic roles, Josh's healthy?
Speaker 3 (33:28):
Wait?
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Wait, wait, wait, what's happening here? Hold on, you think
Seattle's better right now than green Bay? If they played absolutely? Absolutely?
Oh damn okay.
Speaker 7 (33:36):
I was not anticipating that, So you give them the
edged coach? Quarterback is a toss up.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Run game and roster and by the way, number one
weapon Seattle run game Seattle.
Speaker 7 (33:49):
Seattle does have the best offensive skill position player weapon. Yes,
I would agree JSN is number one. Huh okay, Oh my,
that's a bold take. Could you tell our social staff
to put that online? Let's see people agree with you
or no.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
I'm saying Seattle has an absolute identity. What is green Bay? Offensively?
Their coach doesn't know Seattle. You see, you know what
Seattle is. Do you tell me how many teams can
throw four picks against the Rams and be kicking a
winning field goal? How many not green Bay
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it was interesting about bo Nix?
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Is that?
Speaker 1 (00:48):
And I think Caleb Williams falls into that. It's uneven.
It's you kind of feel like bo Nick should run more.
The Bears do run more as a team. I keep
coming down. This is something that really impresses me about Bonex.
He has thrown the most passes in the league since
he arrived. And I said this earlier. The greatest compliment
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that a parent can give a child at an early
age is responsibility. I trust you picking up your sister
at school. I trust you. I'm leaving babysit your brothers
and sisters. Sean Payton has basically done what Andrew luck
felt with Bruce arians here's the whole playbook. Go for it,
and that's hard. They got a lot of penalties. So
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my takeaway and all the bow stuff is Sean Payton
is telling me listen, I'm giving you the whole playbook.
I'm giving you the Drew Brees playbook. Big Ben didn't
get that. I don't think Caleb's gotten that. That to
me is a real thing. Your thoughts on that theory
or that opinion.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Yeah, I think you're a hundred percent right. You know,
I've talked about it here a bunch on local radio
on my podcast. There are times when I'm like, hey man,
the answer is always simplify, Like, if you're having issues
with penalties, you're having issues with offensive you know, production,
if you're having issues lining up and you've got holding
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calls and you got procedural penalties and all those things.
Normally what you say is amen, it's too complicated and offensively.
You know, by the way you motion a bunch of
guys in there, you're shifting formations, you're getting play in
late all that stuff. Usually the answer, or it's always
been in my case, is simplify this. Let's make it
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easier on our players. And I think one of the
things Sean is saying to you is we've got a
defense that's ay championship caliber defense is a historic type defense, right,
So we have that aspect and we've got a quarterback
who can handle it. And what he's saying is, I'm
not worried right now about the regular season. Will win
games based on our defense in the regular season. To
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get where we want to go, which is a world championship,
we need the full compliment of offensive place. We need everything.
So if I simplify, then I'm not developing. If I simplify,
I'm not putting my quarterback with the most weapons available
when we get to the playoffs. If I simplify, I'm
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doing disservice to my football team. So I'm going to
put us in a tough position. I am not I'm
not going to pare down the offense. I'm not going
to quit with my personnel packages. I'm not going to
quit using motions and shifts. I'm going to load it
on my quarterback. He's going to play and Gun because
I think this is the best way for us to
have a championship run. And I think that's what Sean
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Payton is telling you right now, is that I'm not
going to do the things that make the most sense
because those things aren't going to help me come playoff time.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
So it was a different era. But when you played
with Elway, Elway could throw picks. Peyton Manning threw a
lot of picks. Eli Manning threw a lot of picks.
In fact, Aaron was one of the first quarterbacks where
you've got a lot of upside without picks, generally the
great ones the name of farv John Elway. You threw
double digit picks, and I've always defended I want my
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quarterbacks to take risks. If you go look at Andrew Luck,
he had nine games in his career with nine plus
uh with three plus picks, same as Sam Darnold. So
we look at Donald and me guys a disaster. Andrew
Luck five of the six seasons had double digit picks.
So I think Luck's more talented than Donald. But that
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was kind of my comp out of college. There's a
little bit of Andrew Luck there, a little reckless, but
man as he got an arm and man, is he
a playmaker when you.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Play it is? Yeah, yeah. I think one of the
other things with Sam Donald is listen, man, you went
to the Jets and that was a disaster, as it
is for a lot of people who go to the Jets,
and so you know that was a mess. And then
you go to Carolina where they're running a collegiate style
of ball offense. Then you choose to go to San Francisco,
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where you had other options, but you choose because you
want to be coached by Kyle Shanahan and progression and
progressing a progression offense. Then you go to Minnesota and
they decide they don't want you. I think sometimes you
get to the point where you're trying to press, where
you're trying to get to earn the contract that you got,
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and ultimately, for Sam Darlold, you just got to say, dude,
you earn this thing. Man, You're that good. And all
you have to be right now is judicious with the
football because we've got a football team that is phenomenal.
And you think about what happened. I thought the Rams
going into last weekend were the best team in the
National Football League. You turn the ball over four times,
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you give the Rams four short fields and you lose
a game twenty one to nineteen. You should lose that
game forty one to nineteen. That's how you should lose it.
That defense is that good. And oh, by the way,
Seattle gets into the red zone several times and they
end up kicking what four field goals?
Speaker 4 (06:07):
Like.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
There are certain games calling you walk away from as
a player, even though it's a loss, where you go,
we're damn good. Yeah, And I think Seattle would look
at this game in so far against the Rams team
that was hot, and you're sitting there going, dude, we
get those guys on a neutral site, we win that game.
We should have won that game right there, and you
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actually feel pretty good about what you were able to
accomplish in kind of a tough environment that didn't go
your way. So that's kind of how I would look
at that. If I'm Sam Darnold, quit trying to impress people.
You've already won the job. You're already that good. You've
had a phenomenal season. Man, just don't turn the ball over.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
So you know you were lucky you had really good
quarterback play. But it doesn't mean every quarterback you played
with was the right fit or the talent. And I
think you can fool a lot of people. You can
never fool the locker room. You can never fool pro athletes.
And I watched JJ McCarthy and I'm like, they got
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they got a tool set here. That's a good tool belt.
I got Justin Jefferson, Jordan Addison, a good running back,
good coach, good left tackle. Give me a time in
your career when you just knew the quarterback, wasn't it.
And what a player say privately that they won't say publicly,
what does it do to a locker room.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Yeah, it's tough when the guys, you know, struggling And
I've been in you know, I've been in that situation.
What you have to remember is JJ McCarthy didn't play
a lot in college. You know, he missed his rookie
year with the injury. And what I would tell you
about JJ McCarthy is he's going to the right place.
Like when I watch him on film, that's usually going
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to the right place. It is just inaccurate at times.
And he had some drops last weekend against Chicago, But
there are just too many throws that are just off
target throws and most of the time Colin, even in
Denver here when we talked about bow Nicks, when bow
(08:13):
Nix has struggled, it is because he has been so
sped up in the pocket that he gets frenetic. Yeah,
and when he gets frenetic, you know, he gets almost
he's so quick with his feet and he's so quick
in the pocket, and he's climbing the pocket that he's
ahead of the receivers, you know, coming out of breaks,
he's ahead of the receivers. And then he's inaccurate with
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the football. And that's what I see with JJ McCarthy,
just his level of inaccuracy or his level of just
being sped up in the pocket almost like he's too anxious.
And you've got to have energy in your feet, but
you've got to have smooth ability. I used to say
this about our colleague Tom Brady all the time. He's
the best scrambler I've ever seen that never left the pocket,
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and it just was there's this fluid nature in the
pocket where it never looks you know, rushed, It never
looked hurried, it never looked frenetic, it never it just
looked you know, smooth, and it allowed him to throw
with unbelievable accuracy. And that's what I see the issue
being with McCarthy. There's just way too many off target throws.
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But the good news for me is I look at
it and go, hey, you're going to the right guy. Yeah,
you've got the right thought process here. We just got
to put these things on target. And that comes from
the feet up. You know, you've got to slow your
feet down and you've got to be a little bit
more methodical in the pocket so that you can have
some accuracy with your throws.
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Speaker 1 (10:53):
Let's wrap it up with this. Kansas City's interesting. They
won every close game last year, they've lost all of
them this year. We know the play calling is good,
we know Mahomes is talented. I do think they got
to rip the band aid off here with Travis Kelcey,
like he's really good about six times a year, but
he didn't. He was never a great blocker. He didn't
block it all. Now when you look at Kansas City,
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do you still put them in that, oh they could
win the whole thing bubble? Or do you just you've
been on teams where it's just not right, it's just
not the year. How do you feel about him?
Speaker 7 (11:27):
Right?
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Yeah, you know they're sitting at five and five right now,
and you're right like, it's not like, Hey, it's coming
off of bye week. Andy Reeve was twenty one and
four coming off bye weeks. They've got a bye week
going into Denver. They knew Denver's defense was legitimate. They
knew that the Denver Broncs are playing pretty good football.
This is you know, you don't win this game, You're
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probably not winning the AFC West for the first time
in what nine years. Like they knew all this stuff
was on the line, and yet they still could not
perform in critical moment and third downs. I think there
were five of sixteen the Denver Broncos foot on a
clinic on third down how to shut down a prolific offense.
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And they've got their weapons back, so yeah, something's off calling.
They don't look like the same football team. Now listen
at five and five. Could I see them fighting their
way back into the playoffs? Absolutely? Will they be dangerous? Yeah,
they still have the pedigree of Mahomes and Andy Reid
and Spags and like, they're still that team. But boy,
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they're they're just a little bit off right now. I
still think they're better than Houston. I don't think Houston
has an offense. You see Jacksonville up there. I think
they're better overall than Jacksonville do. Jacksonville did beat them
on that Monday night game. But yeah, they're they're kind
of on the outside looking in right now. But I
still think they're a dangerous football team.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Okay, well, finally, look at Denver. You cover them, you're
in that city. If the Denver's gonna win their division.
If you said there's one team I don't want to play,
you're not going to probably play New England, They'll probably
win their division. If I said there's one team Denver
doesn't match up with as a number one seed, that's
not guaranteed one or two. If they get the one,
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they get to buy. But is there a team that
they've been betteran in the regular season it's a bad
matchup for Sean Payton and bow Nicks in round one.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Well, I would say that the team that would scare
me on that of all those teams would probably be Buffalo.
And I know that they're defensively, they're challenge right now.
They have not been able to shut down the run
game though the Broncos can't run the ball. They're not
running the ball with great efficiency right now, and they
lost JK. Dobbins. But it's just the overall superman mentality nature,
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which is a double edged sword, as you know with
Josh Allen, I mean last weekend three touchdowns passing, I
think two rushing. I mean, the guy was phenomenal and
I don't think that's the way to win a championship,
but it certainly can you know, can bounce you out
of a playoff game without question. They're They're the team
that really concerns me the most good stuff. Mark schlaur
(14:09):
As always no game this week. You gotta sit home
and watch games. How much fun is that?
Speaker 7 (14:13):
I know?
Speaker 3 (14:13):
How about that? How good is that going to be?
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Well? Last week you had Titans Texans, and I pity
you did excellent.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
I told everybody on our Crew. I go, hey, man,
at halftime, this is gonna be I guarantee you Tennessee
has got a really decent defense. They don't show up
because they get worn out. But I guarantee it's going
to be a one score game. I didn't realize there
would be only one score, three points that that part,
I didn't realize.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
It was my good scene.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
You all right, man, take care.
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Speaker 1 (14:50):
Yes, all right.
Speaker 7 (14:51):
Let's get started with the spitting incident from over the weekend.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Colin Weird. I think it's like the third one of
these this season in the NFL.
Speaker 7 (14:58):
So obviously there was the Jamar Chase Jalen Ramsey dust
up which led to Chase spitting. He denied it after
the game at one angle clearly clearly showed as you
could see on the screen there Chase spat at him. Obviously,
the NFL decided to suspend him for one game. He's
gonna appeal it. He ain't gonna win that. As you
can see the video and the line on Bengals Patriots
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has ballooned up from seven to eight and a half.
All of a sudden, Patriots have Christian Gonzalez, right, put
him on te Higgins and go ahead and beat us.
Joe Flacco. I like the Patriots here, Colin. I don't
like this from Jamar Chase, who overall seems like a
good dude, really good dancer. His celebrations are excellent, but
this is come.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
On, I don't get it.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
I just I.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Don't know what drives you to do that.
Speaker 7 (15:46):
Well, not shown here is a right before this, Jalen
Ramsey kind of hit him after a pass. It was
a hard hit, it was an incomplete pass, really drilled him,
and Chase was ticked off thought it was dirty, so
he retaliated with this.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
But what do they say, too wrong, don't make a
right or something like that. I don't know.
Speaker 7 (16:01):
I don't make a lot of wrongs, so I'm not saying.
But anyway, so Chase suspended Joe Burrow.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
No word yet.
Speaker 7 (16:08):
We're keeping an eye on that. Now, Burrow, all of
a sudden can play that changes the calculus of this game.
But I still think the Bengals are toasted season, right.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Yeah, they They're not a playoff team.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
All right.
Speaker 7 (16:19):
Let's move on to Shineur Sanders. He had his debut
in the second half against the Ravens under duress much
of the game. It's starting to look like Collins could
get the NOD for his first NFL start against the
Vegas Raiders this weekend. Here's Kevin Stefanski talking about his
quarterbacks after practice.
Speaker 8 (16:40):
Chador is putting in great work and you know on
the field, in the meeting room, he will be better
with all with reps that he's getting, like any player.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Would be better. But we trust him.
Speaker 8 (16:53):
Uh and he's somebody that's that's continued to put in
the work and will continue to do so.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
You know, this is the strangest I always thought Tim
Tebow had the most illusional fans. I think Shadors surpassed that.
This idea, this this criticism of Stefanski, Well, he's not
getting a lot of first team reps. Being a backup
quarterback means you often, don't you do you? Tom Brady
would not give his backups first team reps, any of them.
(17:22):
The great ones are not giving. If you think Brett
Farr was given Aaron Rodgers first team reps as far
was getting poked in the ribs by you know, snarky
funny Aaron Rodgers, Josh Dobbs won a game in the
NFL so for three hundred and fifty yards without a practice.
Baker Mayfield, with one practice, had a fourth quarter drive
(17:43):
to win a game for the Rams. It's a dumb argument.
There are certain jobs that you I mean, it's like
it's a you remember they used to have beepers, you know,
like you if you were a reporter or a surgeon,
you got to be for a drug dealer. That's why
my parents wouldn't let me get one. Well, I mean,
you get beeped at three in the morning. Yeah, you're
not always well rested. When you're a surgeon. You're gonna
(18:07):
go in sometimes in the middle of a night. That's
part of the job description. If you're a quarterback in
this league, you're not a starter. You're not getting first
team reps. It's called preseason. I mean you may get
mop up duty twice a year, So that is a week.
That's a week toss at Kevin Stefani his job. By
the way, Dylan Gabriel.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Is a rookie.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Why would he give him? Why would he not give
him every rep at every practice? He's trying to make
sure that Dylan Gabriel can stabilize his game. It's not
like he's a thirteen year veteran.
Speaker 7 (18:39):
Yeah, I should point out you mentioned Josh Dobbs and
that was, of course a memorable game. His nickname was
the Pastronaut, remember, because he was allegedly like one of
the smartest guys out there.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
He just show up boost physicist. Yeah he was smart, right. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (18:52):
I don't know what che Door's degree was at Colorado.
I'm gonna guess it wasn't astrophils.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
I mean, let's just say this, he was very, very
typical of a rookie who was on the scout team
that was injected into a game against a very good team.
That's what you look like. Just stop making excuses you
don't get first team reps. I go look at you know,
I go to Tony Gonzalez's career. Tony Gonzalez was a
(19:19):
great tight end who liked the block too. How many
times do you think Tony said, hey, backup, we're doing
some red zone stuff. Why don't you insure yourself and
you can get some reps with my quarterback. That's not
the way the sport works. Backups or backups, you don't
get first team reps regularly. I'll just say this.
Speaker 7 (19:35):
I watch the Raiders last night. You watch that game.
Their defense is not good. Deck did whatever he wanted.
Now Dak has better weapons. There's a world where six
Shaduer had some success on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Come, I'm not going to shock you. I wouldn't be
shocked if he throws for two hundred and fifty yards
and they beat the Raiders. Let me be honestly, let me.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Ask you this.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
You love Rock Purty. How many first team reps do
you think he got before Trey Lance and Jimmy g
got hurt?
Speaker 2 (19:57):
None?
Speaker 1 (19:58):
And he stepped in is the last guy taking in
the seventh round and was very good first start. He
wasn't getting first team reps, So stop making excuses. If
you can play, you can play. Yeah, I'll be rooting
for him against the Raiders. No, he was fine. He
wasn't as bad as people say. But he runs backwards
and Dylan Gabriel doesn't as often, and that's a lot
(20:20):
of what coach I mean, coaches would Ben Johnson say
the first thing you wanted to get rid of from
Caleb negative plays. So Shadora has a tendency he did
in college to take off and run the wrong way.
It's like, Bro, you're not that athletic Josh Allen can
do that. It's not what you should be doing.
Speaker 7 (20:38):
Final story constant the NBA, Well, Lebron James May May
make his season debut tonight against the Utah Jazz at home.
Here at the Crypt, Lebron ramped up with the Lakers
G League affiliate.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Was it practice? You could see the videos all over Instagram.
Speaker 7 (20:57):
I'm excited for this one. I know Utah has been
up and down. They got a couple guys. They were
in like a triple overtime game the other night. Lebron
returning is huge, huge for the NBA. I know some
people don't like Lebron.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
That's fine.
Speaker 7 (21:11):
We're talking about the greatest player of all time at
his age coming back to the Lakers, the best brand
in the NBA. Luca Reeves like, there's a lot of
fun storylines here.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
I'm gonna go ahead and go.
Speaker 7 (21:23):
Lebron plays fifteen minutes tonight and you lead the show
with the King tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Hi May He's gonna take some shots away from Austin Reeves,
not Luca, but Austin. He'll take shots away from Ruey
and Austin Austin Reeves is cool with that.
Speaker 7 (21:36):
He's a team player. He's not a selfish individual. You
want that forty large, better get your shots.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
He's taking a hometown discount. He's already on record. He
loves it in Los Angeles. Doesn't want to go to
the Bulls, doesn't want to go to Milwaukee Bucks. For
your honest he loves la Jmack with a news.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd lot.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Nobody's saying Lebron's talent isn't an additive to a team.
But I've said before is that Luca Lebron and Austin
Reeves there's a lot of duplication. They're very good with
the ball. I mean, Luca is the best offensive player
right now in the NBA. He wants the ball and
you got to give it to him. He's in his prime.
(22:20):
It's skinny jeans Luca. So there is implication. This team
does not have a rim protector, and they're not good
enough athletically on the wing defensively. So when you have duplication,
you know, it's like a team that that's got excellent
running backs but need some perimeter weapons. If you have
three good running backs, move one and get a number
two or number three perimeter weapon. So I just it's
(22:43):
not that Lebron will make the team worse, but it'll
look different, the spacing will be different. Austin Reeves will
get fewer looks, and Austin's very good with the ball.
Right now, Luca's second in usage rate, So the Lakers
are winning giving Luca the ball a lot. Lebron's going
to have the ball some He's going to probably drop
in usage right or Austin Reeves is, So the offense
won't look the same or feel quite the same. Yeah,
(23:06):
we'll see how what works out. It's the Herd.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
and noon Easter not a Empacific.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
I was kind of it was funny this morning we
were talking about Sam Donald and Andrew Luck and I
we just we came in this morning. We do about
an hour and a half prep in the morning, and
I said, go look at Andrew Luck's career interception numbers,
because I had said years ago when he came into
the league. I said, I think Sam, you know Andrew
Luck played at Stanford in the PAC twelve and Sam
did at USC and I said, I bet their interception
(23:41):
numbers are kind of similar. I had no idea how
similar they were. And again, Luck played in a weaker division.
He didn't have Belichick in his division twice a year,
and Andrew Luck had Bruce Arians. And when you look
at the Sam Donald Andrew Luck, That's why I've defended
Sam Darnold. He's a playmaker. He can be reckless. Farv
was reckless, Elway was reckless. Andrew Look and Sam Darnold.
(24:02):
If you look at their career numbers, they're incredibly similar.
Sam's actually more accurate. But it's crazy. I mean their
passer ratings. Both have nine games with three plus interceptions,
And I mean, here was here was? I mean, I
just think, I like people love Cam Newton, and Cam
(24:23):
Newton never had back to back winning seasons. Sam is
now going to have back to back winning seasons with
two different teams. Like it's about winning and if you
take the Jets out, Sam was a winner in Carolina
four and two, a winner in Minnesota, and a winner
in Seattle. So here was Sean McVay yesterday, despite picking
off four of his passes, talking about Donald.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
I think Sam has done a great job, and I
totally agree how well he's played. I think it's the
epitome of Russian coverage playing together. And that's why I
always think stats are for losers because we had zero sacks.
But those four interceptions were such a great combination of
he gets sped up with Russian cover, you feel that
pocket collapse, he has to deliver the ball earlier than
(25:03):
he wants. It was a great job by our group
as a whole bringing it to life. And I think
you see on all four of those interceptions the consistent
team is there's a push in the pocket, there's somebody
flashing across his face, and there's guys connected and in
their spots on the back end.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
And I thought Mark schlaer With had a point is
like Sam, this is a really good team. Just hold
the ball, eat it, dirt it take a sack. But
it is interesting because Andrew Luck, I thought was the
best quarterback prospect I'd ever seen since John Elway. And
to give you an example how good Luck was. I
don't think people understand this. He went eleven and five,
(25:41):
eleven and five, eleven and five, and two of those
years the Colts arguably had the worst roster in the league.
As I love Josh Allen, he wasn't that good his
first two years, and he had a team that had
made the playoffs. He had a better roster Andrew Luck
is Tom Brady could not have won and he's the
(26:03):
best quarterback ever. Joe Montana could not have won. Peyton
Mannon could not have won as many games as Andrew
Luck did his first two years with that roster. They
had one other player that was a Pro Bowl level player.
I was a cornerback I believe may have been a
special teamer. They just didn't have a lot of talent.
So my takeaway is that what Andrew Luck did is
(26:27):
all time unique. And then he got you know, he
just got lung got, I believe, punctured, and it was
just really sad. But if you go back and look
at Luck, he's an all time talent that got knocked
out of the game physically. And yet if you look
at Sam's numbers, including the Toxic Jets, a lot of
them are the same. They both had nine three plus
(26:48):
interception games. By the way, the worst game Luck ever
played four interceptions against Belichick. Well Sam had to play
Belichick twice a year, so Luck didn't and the worst
game Sam's had, He's had two really really bad games
in terms of interceptions. One was this past week and
one was last year in the playoffs against the Rams
(27:09):
where they had multiple picks. So you know, it's just
and again, I think Luck's better. I'm not disputing that.
Speaking of great quarterbacks, Happy birthday to Caleb Williams. He
is officially twenty four years old today. Happy birthday. It's
(27:30):
the great Caleb Williams. Come on, alhard, what do we
do comparing Darnald to Andrew Luck? And birthday shouted?
Speaker 2 (27:43):
No, no, no, I don't think this.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
I don't think Darnold's as good as Andrew Luck.
Speaker 7 (27:47):
Yeah, but somebody in an airport walking by the screen
is going to see that and be like, wait, what's
happening now. I mean, you made a decent argument, but
like if this went to court, you would just you
would lose the case for sure.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
No brainer, it's not even plus. I mean, yeah, I
am acknowledging. I mean, USC before Donald got there, was
not very good, and he got them to win a
Rose Bull over Penn State. I remember that game. He
kind of carried him and then he just went to
a place where nobody can win. So I loved him
on the Jets. I was rooting for him.
Speaker 7 (28:15):
When the remember the Giants passed on him. They were like,
we'll take a running back. I was like, oh my gosh,
I'm doing cartwheel Donald.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
He went twenty one and six at usc USC the
year before and the year after Donald thirteen and thirteen.
They did not have I mean, they did not have
a lot of talent. I think he played with Michael.
Did he play with Michael Pittman? I think he did.
I think might Michael Pickett may have been a freshman
or something. I could be wrong on that. So one
of the issues with Donald.
Speaker 7 (28:40):
Then again we're picking knits here, but he hasn't faced
any good defenses this year, Colin, and then he goes
up against the Rams.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Let me ask those four picks, and the Rams owned
him last year. Let me an he was in Minnesota.
Let me name five great defenses in the NFL.
Speaker 7 (28:54):
Right now, Okay, well that depending on what metric you want.
The Denver Broncos defense is great. The Houston Texans defense
is great. Didn't play great last week, but they're great.
The Philadelphia Eagles defense is outstanding.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Those are three.
Speaker 7 (29:06):
For sure, Seattle has one of the best defenses in
the league. I think you would agree with that. Yeah,
the fifth one is tricky. Off the top of my head,
I would say the Rams are up there in most categories.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
I think the Rams are really good. Yeah, they would
they would probably be. And I think the Eagles are
really good. Yeah, and I think Denver's really good. I
think Sam beat did not Yeah, Sam beat. He beat
the Texans earlier this year. Sam beat that defense at
twenty seven to nineteen. Yeah, you see that right there, Yeah, right, yeah.
Pittman was a freshman and a sophomore with Sam, so
(29:38):
they that was his best teammate, Michael Pittman. But again,
I'm not Luck's better. I'm not. I'm not saying that
Luck is better, but I'm saying Sam his recklessness. The
comps on picks our luck. So here's my thing.
Speaker 7 (29:52):
If they don't win the division, Colin, they will have
to go on the road in the first round. Right now,
it might be Tampa Bay, which I think, you know,
not inclement weather there. But if he's got to go
outdoors to Green Bay, god forbid Chicago, I don't like
his chances.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Now, the defense will keep him in it.
Speaker 7 (30:13):
But outdoors Sam Darnold Colin'.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
I never worry about the outdoors with Sam. The outdoors,
I worry about Jared Goff or Tua. If it's cold
and winning, yeah, I don't worry about Sam and cold weather.
What I worry about Sam is they lead a game
and Sam gets sped up. Like McVeigh said, Sam and
this was a Luck thing. I also think Andrew, Luck
and Sam are so confident in their abilities. They're not
(30:41):
deterred after a pick or two. They don't care. Brady
had that ability. Brady threw pick sixes and Super bowls.
Brady did not care. The ultimate confidence is you throw
a pick six, you throw a bad pick or two,
and you don't care. So that's the confidence, almost illusion,
that a great quarterback needs. One of the criticisms I've
had for years of Aaron Rodgers if he throws a
(31:02):
second pick in the game, he shuts it down so
mentally he starts protecting his passer rating. You can see
the body language he deteriorates. He had one of those
games years ago. It may have been against Brady and Tampa.
It was windy, he had a couple bad picks. He
just kind of like Felty shut down and was protecting
his passer rating. Donald doesn't do it. Peyton didn't do that,
Brady didn't do that, Luck didn't do that. They don't care.
(31:25):
They have inner scoreboard confidence. They're gonna let it rip.
And I respect that.
Speaker 7 (31:29):
Yeah. One of the problems with Darnald in the three
games against the Rams too, and I know two were
with in Minnesota last year. If he falls behind, he
don't know that they Yeah, he's presses, he's overthinking it.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
That's a tough spot put up. Put up the NFC
playoff picture, though, I'm telling you you do not want
to play Seattle in the playoffs. They'll probably be an underdog.
Remember what is Seattle on the road bizarrely great? Can
you imagine being the Rams or the Bears or the
Buck and hosting Seattle and Seattle is the best road
(32:04):
team in the in the league. If tomorrow, if the
Seahawks play the Bears and the Bucks, I take Seattle
on the road.
Speaker 7 (32:10):
Yeah, I would. I would probably agree. Let me check
the Seahawks schedule. The Eagles are gonna win the NFC
barring some kind of major injury. If you're a schedule
lined the if you to Washington twice.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Ask yourself this. If you're the Eagles and you look
at the Seahawks, Packers, Niners, Detroit, and you could ask
Philadelphia who they don't want to play of those four?
You're not gonna play division winners. You're gonna play either Seattle,
Green Bay, San Francisco, Carolina, Dallas or Detroit. I guarantee
you Philadelphia would say we have no interest in Seattle,
(32:44):
Green Bay, Green Bay is don't scoff at their defense.
They have no identity at all. I mean, you already
beat there. Coach Green Bay or Seattle lafloor. Obviously, McDonald's great,
But come on, if la floor, come on the floor
has been great. You asked me a question and gave
me the answer, I'd take McDonald over the floor. Yeah,
(33:07):
based on one season that McDonald's been pretty good. I
needed one season with Sean McVay. I knew he was
better than ninety percent of the league. Fine quarterback, Donald
or love Coin flip? Oh my god, are you're clearly
all in on Seattle run game? Seattle athletic roles, Josh's healthy?
Speaker 3 (33:28):
Wait?
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Wait, wait, wait, what's happening here? Hold on, you think
Seattle's better right now than green Bay? If they played absolutely? Absolutely?
Oh damn okay.
Speaker 7 (33:36):
I was not anticipating that, So you give them the
edged coach? Quarterback is a toss up.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Run game and roster and by the way, number one
weapon Seattle run game Seattle.
Speaker 7 (33:49):
Seattle does have the best offensive skill position player weapon. Yes,
I would agree JSN is number one. Huh okay, Oh my,
that's a bold take. Could you tell our social staff
to put that online? Let's see people agree with you
or no.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
I'm saying Seattle has an absolute identity. What is green Bay? Offensively?
Their coach doesn't know Seattle. You see, you know what
Seattle is. Do you tell me how many teams can
throw four picks against the Rams and be kicking a
winning field goal? How many not green Bay
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