THE W.A.D.E. Concept - WEEK IN REVIEW - Jon Jones Vs Dana White CHAOS & Kamaru Usman is BACK!! - The Herd with Colin Cowherd

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The John Jones saga continues, and I just I don't
understand it. It doesn't make sense to me, It doesn't
make sense to anybody outside of a couple of things
that maybe you could say. But as of today, June tenth,
twenty twenty five, we still have I don't want to say,
no answers, relatively, no answers on John Jones and his
whereabouts and where he will be as far as the
UFC is concerned in their heavyweight division, the most important

(00:22):
division in combat sports. There's some some developments. They don't
really answer any questions. But Dana White finally was in
front of the media, so this is the first time
we've heard him speak about the whole John Jones situation
and what's going on with what happens next with Jones,
what happens next with the heavyweight division, and some things
that even Ariel Hawane is saying. And by the way,

(00:42):
I've seen this recently and I'm kind of just like
what has happened to people online, there's this like lack
of trust in Ariel Hajwane's reporting when he breaks news
or when he says things that are happening behind the
scenes that eventually will come out. I don't know where
people are like, oh, I can't trust Ariel. I can't.
I can't trust Ariel anymore. Like if you don't like
Ariel's opinions on things, because he does, from time to

(01:03):
time offer opinions that aren't based on reporting there or
they're not based on his reporting, they're just based on
the way he sees a fighter or the way he
sees a fight, whatever. But when Era reports stuff, it's
pretty much dead accurate. I don't I don't remember the
last time Ariel missed a big story. I really don't
get it. Like you don't. You don't have to like Ariel,
I personally do. He's a good friend of mine, I
would say. And this week he had this to say,

(01:26):
I guess on his show that John Jones, because we'd
all asked the question, you know, is John Jones running
from Tom aspinall? Is the UFC just not making the fight?
Apparently it's not what John has been saying in the public,
that the UFC knows his stance and they can strip
him if if they want, that he's willing to vacate,
that he has no problem getting rid of the Bell,

(01:47):
that this thing is already said and done, because that
seems to not be the case. According to Ariel Hawani,
John Jones had initially agreed to fight tom Aspinall, then
went back on his word and backed out of the fight.
Quote the ain't know why, say John Jones was offered
the deal and accepted the deal. The problem is he
didn't tell you the whole story. It didn't tell you
how he went back on his word. Eventually that part

(02:09):
will come out. So this to me changes a lot
of things from it just being the UFC's not doing
their job, not doing their job, and again I'm still
on that bandwagon. The UFC needs to do something about this.
But this is a clear duck at this point, point
blank period. There is no other way to say it.
John is completely and utterly ducking Tom Aspitall, and the
UFC's letting him get away with it because they're trying to,

(02:31):
I guess, make a second attempt at making this fight.
But if you've already met the man's demand and he
says yes and says no, what else is there to say?
What else is there to even go back and forth with?
It's Oh, you've gotten to the point where he is
not willing to cooperate, and instead of taking your belt
back from him, you'd rather just do this leave everybody
in suspense. And again you could say, yes, Wade, it's

(02:52):
because of the twenty twenty six TV rights deal, and yeah, okay,
that's fine. But when they get a new deal or
they gonna give John more money, is that what the
thinking is? Because let's say they get the new deal,
didn't they strip John? What was the point the entire time?
John's name is gonna probably drive up the deal to
some degree, but enough to completely stall your heavyweight division

(03:13):
for two years. It's easy just take the belt off.
And but the more incredible part is how I don't
even know how to describe aloof Dana White seems to
the whole thing like he's just back, like bizarrely surprised
by what's been going on with John Jones. This will
start to affect his legacy. Now, now you get to
the point where you start to tarnish things because you
had an opportunity to just say no, and I want

(03:37):
to go out the way I went out with my
win over steep A and having the two belts and
all of that, and your legacy's fine, or you had
the opportunity to play your game with the UFC, ask
for your ten to twenty to thirty million, see if
they'd bite, and then ultimately, if they did, we have
the fight. But when you say yes, okay, that's the
number I want. I'm ready to go, and then say

(04:00):
you know what, never mind that starts to meet. It's
just like, Okay, you clearly are either scared or you
don't like this fight. It's hard to start seeing you
as or I guess keep seeing you as the goat
when you don't want to fight yet you don't want
to give the belt anyway. Here's Dana press conference Saturday
night after UFC three sixteen talking about the fight.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
I I want to ask you about something else outside
of tonight. It's a conversation we've had many times now
the Domaspinolo John Jayant's fight. It's a bit different now,
right because John's been tweeting a lot about the fact
that he's told you his plans. He's ready to vacate
the belt and all the rest of it.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
He said he's ready to vacate the beat.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
Said he doesn't care if he' straightening it. He would
vacate it.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
Fucking crazy. Yeah, I've been busy. I haven't been keeping
up with the gossip. He comes back. He's either back
today or came back yesterday or whenever. He you know,
he's in Thailand, so he's home. We'll be home tonight
and Tuesday. We'll figure this out.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
It is tuesday, we better figure it out. Here's the
other thing. Dana just seemed baffled by the fact that
John has come out and said, oh, yeah, they can
strip me if they want that, I'll vacate it. They
can strip me, I'll vacate it. That's not a guy
that seems like he has heard the same thing behind
the scenes. He's like, oh, that's crazy. Now. He could
be lying about the whole Oh well I didn't. I
didn't see any of that stuff online or whatever. But

(05:20):
that was a genuine reaction, like, what the That's not
what we've been hearing. That's what I got out of that.
And this is where I think Dana starts to turn
on John Jones a little bit. Not turn on John Jones,
because that's a whole different conversation. I mean, flip the
script on John Jones, because it seems to me like
this is becoming not just for the fans, not just
for the media, not just for the division, but for

(05:42):
the promotion, a headache like more than it's worth to
deal with, Like they're on their last legs of saying,
all right, man, we were really trying to make this
fight with John, but even we're getting fed up with
this because that doesn't seem like the same answer he
has gotten from John Jones.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
Zielsa, cut out Francis and gone. He said to rob
the fight Francis, which scouted Joan. Yeah, okay, not that.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
Interested in that then.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
But if he doesn't fight till Aspital and he does
walk away, do you think he's ducked in?

Speaker 3 (06:10):
Would you Tom aspinall's the guy? He's the guy. I
don't know. Yeah, well let's the other place. Listen, if
the guy wants to retire and doesn't want to fight,
nothing you do. I didn't want Abib the retire I
didn't want I thought DC should have stayed any longer.
So it's it's it's none of my business. I'll do
what I can to make the fight if we can.

(06:32):
If you know, if he's talking that crazy shit, I
didn't realize that.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
Yeah, and again I'm a little baffled. Now, I know
that Dana just can't keep track of John In all instances,
you would think that he has people that would let
him know where things are going or let him know
what's being said on the Internet versus what's being said
behind the scene. The point is there's clearly some miscommunication
going on, clearly, and it seems like it's from the
side of John Jones. Shocking, I know, but again, you

(06:58):
hear the way Dane's responding to this. It's not like,
let me just play down the question and move on.
There's parts of that, but it's also like a frustration
level growing as these questions or as these quotes from
John Jones keep coming out. You hear him right there. Well,
if he's talking that crazy shit, then yeah, I don't know.
This is something that's clearly again to me, the UFC
has taken a stance now they're like, listen, we're getting

(07:19):
tired of this. That's what I hear when I when
I listened to Dana White outside of the croaky voice
and all that, that's one of this.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
I remember the time when GSP announced he was walking
away off to the Johnny Hendricks fight, and you said
he owes it to the belt and the company to
at least defend it against the guy that passed for it.
Do you think that's kind of the same day with John?

Speaker 3 (07:35):
Yeah, yeah, but John's been John's been John since he
walked in the door here, and yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
By the way Oscar stuck it on him, Holy shit.
This is something I said in my video a couple
of weeks back about how Dana reacted to George Saint
Pierre potentially floating the idea of retirement right after the
Johnny Hendricks fight, and how he's approached or how the
UFC's approached this. This talk with John Jones been completely different.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
John's been John since he walked in the door here.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
That doesn't mean anything. By the way, all Dana means
when he says that is that John's tough to deal with.
Whereas GSP he could probably snap his fingers, and GSP
because he was a good guy and a company man,
would have blot. Dana knows that John is tough to
deal with, and oddly enough, Dana's always had a soft
spot for John. Even when John was the biggest up
in UFC history as a champion, Dana still would have

(08:26):
allowances and he's honestly again, because John is the greatest
of all time. He's had some of those allowances with
Connor McGregor, not that they're on the same level, but
Connor throws the dolly through a bus window, gets arrested,
They make the fight. We all wanted to see it,
so it happened.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
And yeah, I was younger. Then. Doesn't go the way
you would like it to go all the time, the.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
Pulcher then, and the relationship doesn't go the way you
want it to all the time. No idea what that means.
All that tells me is that Dana has lost his
fastball as he's gotten older. That's what it tells me.
I was younger then, Like, it's not wisdom to not
put your or above people playing around with your belts.
That's not wisdom, you know, I'm saying Dana being like, well,
I'm older now and I get the big he does

(09:07):
get the business better than I do. But what does
that mean you gotten older and by virtue of the
wisdom you've gained, you're just letting John run a muck
in your heavyweight division. I want younger data. If that's
the case, I want the data that's gonna go. Listen,
you're running around with our belt. That's the UFC's belt,
and if you're not gonna defend it, it's step up
or step aside. It's really simple. We appreciate you for
being the goat, we appreciate you for doing what you did.

(09:29):
We don't need you, and that's the reality is they
don't need John. So yeah, okay, the fight would be
great if Tom and John could get on board. Maybe
you don't want to bury that relationship for the fact
that potentially John could turn around and say yes. But
at what point? At what point do you start looking
like actual clowns and we're past that.

Speaker 4 (09:45):
I wonder is there anything that pfl or Francis could
do to make that a realistic option for you guys?

Speaker 3 (09:51):
Or are you fully focused on on Aspinall? Yeah, it's
Aspinall's fight. I mean, we've been talking to this kid
forever about it, and nah, it's his fight. Listen, you
can't make people fight. If John doesn't want to fight,
we can try to make him fight, we can throw
things at him that inspire him to want to fight,

(10:11):
but uh, we'll figure it out.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
I mean, number one, no, Dana is not going to
do a deal with the PFL, and Don Dae, did
you guys see And this is one of the dumbest
things I think I've ever seen out of a promoter,
not because you know, it's just tacky to do, but
just because it's insane to think this is how you
should deal with Dana White, who clearly already does not

(10:37):
does not respect the PFL. Shits on them, and you
expect this to be a serious thing. Don Davis came
out when Francis was going back and forth with John
and Francis still signed with the PFL, Don Davis decided
he was going to make a proposal. Winner take all. Yeah,
this sounds great, Sure, it's never gonna happen. Why in
the would the UFC ever do that? One hundred percent

(10:59):
of the profits go to the PFL. If Francis wins,
one hundred percent of the profits go to the UFC,
if if John wins. This is not what serious people do.
The UFC has and again I'm not trying to be
a boot lick or whatever, but the UFC has no
reason to work with the PFL. All they have to
do is wait the PFL out. That's all they have
to do. Until they eventually either go under or lose

(11:20):
their funding or whatever else that happens because the PFL
is not in good shape.

Speaker 5 (11:25):
Then yeah, it was kind of crazy how how much
interest John showed in the Francis a ghan who fight like?
There was some some tweets going back and forth. What
would happen if he came to you and says like,
I'll fight, but I won't fight Aspinall. I would fight
and Ghanu. Would you even be interested in that?

Speaker 3 (11:40):
Or no, I don't have and contract and Aspinall's the guy.

Speaker 5 (11:47):
Right if you were put in the position, would you
maybe try to get and Ghanu back under contract or no?

Speaker 3 (11:56):
Probably not understood.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
In other words, he looks at the ps felt like
a fucking joke because they have treated themselves that way
for a very long time. He's not going to promote
a fight that he doesn't have a fighter under contract
for unless it's in a promotion that he doesn't necessarily
run like boxing. And also Tom is the guy. These
are all good things to hear from Dana. But then
if Tom's the guy and John has the belt, either

(12:20):
make the fight or make Tom the guy for real,
not just aut of not the lip service. You need
to make him the guy for real. One more thing
on just John.

Speaker 4 (12:27):
I know you said you can't make him fight Tom
and it's ultimately up to him. I know you've basically
been on every wave in this sport in your heart.
Do you believe that this is just the process or
is it ultimately you'll get him to fight?

Speaker 1 (12:43):
In anything?

Speaker 3 (12:44):
It's definitely the process with John Jones then going through
this since the day he started here, and it's yeah,
it's definitely the process. Do you believe him? And Anderson?
So every time, you know, throughout the history of being
a business with those when it comes time to get
them fight, it's like dealing with artists. John Jones agreed
to do the fight. So John Jones was offered the

(13:08):
deal and accepted the deal.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
How does John accepting the deal, accepting the fight, and
then turning his back on the entire thing when he
gave you his word and he's not doing it. How
does that make you feel better about the fight happening?
As that make you feel like it's going to happen.
I get it. John's a tough guy to negotiate with,
and he plays games and negotiations and you're dealing with
an artist at a certain point, it's just game. But

(13:32):
there's just there's always been problems with John, but this
one's unique in the fact that John is saying he
will make the fight happen and then not make it happen,
whilst also not making any effort to actually get a
fight done. Like this is insane. It's it, It's over
to me, But Dana's is still holding out hope. Again.
The only thing I can see is that what's being

(13:52):
left unsaid here is the TV rights deal. I don't
know why no one asks him about that. Like the
media did a good job here of really sticking it
on Dana and really asking him some tough questions, But
why is no one asking about that? Like, Okay, Dana,
what is it that you're waiting on? Is the TV rights?
That you might not He would find a way to
probably skate around that answer, but I think that's that's
the one thing that's not being asked. And I don't

(14:14):
know why we got some answers there. Apparently John did,
you know, say yes to a deal and then completely
reversed position and turned it down, which is why you
need to strip him of his UFC belt. At this point,
it's for me wants Shame on you fool me twice.
Shame on me, Dana. You're doing it to yourself for
short term potential gain and long term potential loss. I

(14:36):
think it's gonna be of detriment more than it's gonna help,
because I don't think John is coming back. But what
happens with John Jones and Dana White in the UFC
in this tom aspinall situation? Will he won't he? Fight?
We're all tired of it, But the news keeps slowly, painstakingly,
slowly rolling in. Uh. We have some new information, but
really nothing new to go off of as far as

(14:57):
the fight actually happening. Do I think it will? No,
And I think it's time to move on from John Jones.
But that's just my opinion. What happens next, I guess
we'll find out. Today. We have some breaking news in
the boxing realm. We had heard rumors about it, we'd
even heard, you know what, somewhat unofficial announcements about it.
But Canelo versus Crawford is now official, Ladies and gentlemen,

(15:19):
It's officially happening on September thirteenth, live on Netflicks This
one is a banger. They are calling it the fight
of the century. It's definitely the biggest fight in boxing
right now, and I am so pumped for this thing.
Now we're gonna get into the minutia of it and
all the stuff that's gonna be happening and all the

(15:41):
press conferences and everything else that's planned around it. But
before we do, let's go to h E himself. The
Big Achi had a message about this fight, and we're
gonna take a look and see what Turkey Alishka is saying.
With this official announcement.

Speaker 6 (15:58):
Kennella Crawford, thirteen of September and Las Vegas, thank you
for everyone. Thank you Canelo, Thank you Crawford, Thank you Netflix.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
Thank you Wade. Maybe I don't know, maybe thanks thanks
to Wade. I don't know. I was here, I didn't
get it. Thank you. Come on, HG. You're right, I
didn't have anything to do with this. We continue.

Speaker 6 (16:21):
Villa, Thank you, Villa, Thank you or your team and Netflix.
Thank you, Ni Khan Takeo, thank you Dana my brother
who he will promote his fight with me.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
Thank you for Okay before we I love Turkey man.
Look at this pose. It's amazing. So before we go on,
uh yeah, A lot of people had had some thoughts
about potentially Dana White and Turkey not promoting this together
because Dana White's name was not on one of the
recent press releases. But I didn't think that he was.
I didn't have any insight sources, but I didn't think

(16:58):
that that was the case. I figured if Dana had
his name onto something and that Riot Season is going
to be doing this deal with TKO to make you know,
they haven't really named it yet, but TKO Boxing whatever
that's gonna be, that they were going to follow through
with it. It is interesting though, because a Anda White
will have a hand in promoting two major combat sports
events on the same day, and I don't think that

(17:19):
they cancel out business the way that everybody else thinks
that they potentially will. I think people put too much
stock into people picking and choosing that this may happen.
But with Netflix being involved, and because boxing audiences are
far different from MMA audiences. You can look at my
channel and see that, like it's not they're not the
same audience. Most people that enjoy MMA watch MMA, most

(17:42):
people that enjoy boxing watch boxing. In the crossover between
the two is very minimal. Honestly, the crossover routeen the
two might be the Jake Paul fights, you know, the
crossover boxing fights, but this one will have mainstream of peace.
I do think that it being on Netflix is gonna help,
which is why I think Dana was more on board
to do it. Because two pay per view of bins
running against each other. It doesn't hurt his pockets, but

(18:04):
it may potentially get in the way of business for somebody.
This one and UFC three seventeen, I don't think are
gonna really They may overlap time wise, but they're not
gonna really do much as far as running into each other.

Speaker 6 (18:15):
Thank you for everyone. Thank you Canelo, Thank you in
your city. Thank you Netflix.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
Yeah, Canello Crawford will be free, because yes, you'll need
Netflix to watch. But this is the same playbook that
Jake and Mike Tyson used on Netflix. I think it's
a good idea. There's gonna be a ton of eyes
on it. That's why I said it's the biggest boxing
event of the year. American audience I think desperately need
because right now, American boxing, especially with having with Keishawn
Davis last weekend, we have you know, younger guys like

(18:44):
Abdula Mason. We have uh Emiliano Vargas, we have those
guys Richard Torres. But American fandom in boxing right now
needs to grow and this could be a way to
potentially do that. The buffering issue, we'll see. I think
that that was a first thing, but then again, I
think the NFL might have had some issues with it
as well. But I think the Netflix platform is such

(19:07):
a good one for people that are on the fence
about buying a boxing pay per view. And let's be honest,
for years, boxing cards have been astronomically priced for pay
per view. The UFC does it too now, but there
are some of those fights that just aren't worth pay
per view, Like they're not worth the amount of money charged.
And I'm not singling out any fight or fight promoter,
but it's just in general, sometimes they are way too overpriced.

(19:29):
Here in other countries it's a lot cheaper. So for
this this is a big deal for American audiences who
are used to paying fifty sixty seventy dollars to watch
a fight. And I'll get that fight for you know whatever,
it is, your Netflix subscription ten dollars fifteen dollars a month,
but you're not paying anything on top of that. Essentially
after that it's free. This is a massive deal there magazine.
Thank you, Wade, Thank you for everyone.

Speaker 6 (19:50):
This is the biggest fight in boxing and end of
history in the last ten years and maybe more. Thank
you Shefferd from the Canelo Thank you.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
Is this the biggest boxing fight in the last ten years?
I mean again, if you take away Jake and Mike Tyson,
which numbers wise, is not going to be beat probably.
I mean, the numbers they're gonna get on Netflix are
going to be huge. If they surpassed Jake and Mike,
that would be insane. I don't know, though, I don't
know that they're gonna get there, But what they can
do is surpass pretty much every other number. They're going

(20:24):
to surpass Hubank, Ben, They're going to surpass any of that.
Maybe not when was Connor and Floyd. We're coming up
right at the end of that Connor Floyd thing. Floyd
and Manny was before that, but of the last decade,
this will probably be the biggest one and the reason
that you put Manny and Floyd and Connor and Floyd
in there is because their numbers were behind the pay
per view wall, right, Like, you can't really compare numbers

(20:48):
on Netflix to the amount of numbers they drew on
pay per view. That was crazy. But they certainly will do.
I mean, I don't want to put a number out
there and be wrong, but I'd be surprised if they
didn't do at least like ten twenty thirty million, right.
I think you could. I think you could definitely get
twenty to thirty million people to watch this.

Speaker 6 (21:06):
And this is very good opportunity for the talent in boxing.
We will make the undercart all the undercart about talent
because we have the biggest fight. We don't need big
fight in the undercard for that. We will give the
chance for the talent. If you think you are ready

(21:28):
to be in the undercart, off, Canela Crawford come talk
with us.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
That's it Me and Aaron the Plumber underguard. Let's go okay.
So realistically, this is an interesting like Jokes has hide,
this is an interesting take from Turkey. He's like, we
don't need to sell this fight anymore because the headliners
sell it. We just want talent now. The question I
guess I would have is where does the intersection between

(21:54):
talent and hype differentiate for Turkey, because he has a
bunch of ring ambassadors, right. He has Moses Atalma, he
has Abdulah Mason, he has Keshan Davis. He has a
lot of these guys Schakor Stevenson, which is, you know,
probably gonna be a little bit of a tight window
for Shakor, but you never know. There has to be
a way to get talented guys that potentially can be
stars on that card. I think Abdula Mason should be

(22:17):
on that card. He's super talented. I'm I'm also a
fan of Emiliano Vargas. You guys know this. He that
would be great. I don't know if he has something
going on with with the ring or not, but Moses
Atalma is fighting very soon, I think in the middle
of July again. Bam Rodriguez, Sure, for I'm down with it.
But I guess what he's trying to say is we

(22:37):
want talent, to expose the talent to new boxing fans,
but at the same time, the most talented people are
the you know, fighters on the rise. As it is,
I like, I don't mind prioritizing talent on the undercard,
because you're trying to use this card to build interest
not only in in you know, the sport, but also

(22:57):
in some of these fighters that don't have the name
Canelo has. Right, you're building interest in the main event
just by it being the main event. But the fighters
themselves that are you know, in their rise to the
belts or just got a belt or whatever, they can
definitely use from this exposure. And again the only thing
we have to compare it to is the Jake Paul
Mike Tyson car and some of the fighters on there
have massive benefits from being there, like Katie Taylor, Manisrono

(23:20):
already were big names by the time they were the
comin event, but they had fifty million people watch them,
sixty million whatever it was in that comain Mario Barrios,
even though he didn't have a great performance on that card,
he's getting many Pakiao in his next fight, right, He's
still he's the champ. I think it was a draw
that he had on that card, But get a many
Packiao fight after being on that you know, name value
talent there has to be somewhere in the middle. But

(23:41):
again it's just mostly because the talented guys are the
ones rising in the sport and creating a name from
themselves as it. I think what Turkey is saying is like,
we don't need Anthony Joshua on the card, right, we
don't need Tyson Fury on the car. We don't need
like some of these higher level to the casual audience,
big name on this card. We want the younger talent

(24:03):
to come through.

Speaker 6 (24:03):
Thank you and see you in Vegas. The thirteenth of
September is shata.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
There we go. September thirteenth. You will see big h
e Dana White and of course that absolutely stacked main events.
Speaking of Dana White, here's what he had to say
on the announcement. Quote, Turkey Yellashik wants to make the
biggest fights that fans want to see in boxing, and
this is right up my alley. Are you kidding me

(24:30):
that the first boxing fight I'm going to promote is
Canelo versus Crawford. It's literally a once in a lifetime
fight live on Saturday, September thirteenth, streaming globally on Netflix.
Two of the greatest boxers in the sport will meet
in an historic fight from Las Vegas. Now, this was
originally supposed to be a Friday fight, and Netflix does
do a lot of Friday events. I think it's probably

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because they have, you know, American sports that they run
up against on Saturdays, but this one is different. They're
going to do it on a Saturday, and I have
a feeling that's because of a couple of different factors.
Number one being, Canelo is a Saturday fighter and he
wants his fans to be able to see him. And
he is the big draw of this card. Let's be honest,
he is the biggest the biggest draw probably outside of
you know, Anthony Joshua in the UK or Anthony Joshua

(25:16):
tycep Feria in the UK. He's probably the biggest draw
in box. He's gonna have some say and I think
that probably he was like, I'm not doing this Friday
thing where my fans can't come out. We're doing it
on Saturday. Sol's Dana White's thoughts on it. I am
super interested to see Dana in boxing and how that
whole thing is gonna go. Another big update that we
got uh today as well from The Ring magazine is

(25:36):
that this will be a three press conference tour right
at the end of June.

Speaker 3 (25:41):
Here.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
Essentially all in the span of one week, from Friday
to Friday, we have three press conferences for Canelo and
Terrence Crawford, three different cities. One will be in Riod,
one will be in New York, and one will be
in Las Vegas. And the T Mobile arena. Now, oh,
this is at Fanatics too. Ooh, okay, I like this.

(26:04):
I like this Fanatics Fest in New York. This is
where again Jack and Mike Tyson did their press conference
and it was rowdy up in there, right, New York's
always got some rowdy fans. I hope that all of
these I don't know how the ri ODD one's gonna go,
but I hope that most of these at least are
in front of fan not that these guys have like
generational beef and that they're you know, either of them

(26:25):
are massive talkers. But you want some juice, you want
some energy for this, right, I think you want a
little energy, So putting it in front of fans at
Fanatics Fest, that's good. And the T Mobile that's more
location than anything else. So that's more information. But we
actually have the official article. The official news bulletin drops
was dropped three hours ago. Canela alv Res versus Terrence
Crawford lands on Netflix Vegas to host a super fight.

(26:48):
Now something I'm not seeing so far as a venue. Right,
we know the date, we know the city, but we
don't have the venue yet. And I think speculating because
I don't have the answer. I guess we'll find out.
But I think it's because they're trying to negotiate or
trying to find a way to get Allegiance Stadium. I
have to think that although I don't know what, if
anything's going on in T Mobile Arena on that day,

(27:10):
but they try to get this fear. I mean sure
that too. Part of me, though, wants to have it
in a traditional boxing setting, you know, I don't know.
Part of me just wants it to be in T Mobile.
Terrence Crawford. The Canela alvers Terrence Crawford super fight for
the ring and undisputed super middleweight championship will take place
September thirteenth in Las Vegas, be streamed globally on Netflix
at no additional cost to the three hundred million plus subscribers. Yeah,

(27:34):
if they hit thirty million to sixty million people watching this,
that would be a massive number alvast Is, boxing's top star,
will defend his one hundred and sixty eight pound crown
against Crawford, a fellow future Hall of Famer. We'll climb
two weight classes for the biggest challenge of his career. Again,
I've talked about this, I don't think that the weight
is going to be that big a difference. Maybe Terrence

(27:56):
fighting at that weight will make a difference to him personally, right,
it's just not gonna feel the same, or it's gonna
be a little bit to maneuver, But Canello is not like.
Canello's size does not scare me if I'm a Terrence
Crawford fan, because I've seen both of them during fight
weeks and out of fight weeks, and there isn't much
of a size difference there. Terrence looks maybe even like

(28:17):
bigger frame one. Alvarez is the rings number eight pound
for pound boxer and owns the Ring Magazine Championship one
hundred and sixty eight pounds. This will be the Mexican
Icon's tenth defense of his Ring Magazine Super Middleweight championship.

Speaker 3 (28:28):
Quote.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
I'm super happy to be making history again, in this
time on a riad season card that will be broadcast
on Netflix, said Alvarez, thirty four, Jesus Canelo is only
two years older than me. I have done nothing in life,
my goodness. On September thirteenth, I am ready to show
once again that I am the best pound for pound
fighter in the world. And then we had a quote

(28:50):
it looks like from Terrence Crawford. He says, my perfect
record speaks for itself. I'm the best fighter in the world,
and no matter the opponent or weight class, I always
come out on Top's on September thirteenth, my hand will
be raised once again as the world watches greatness. Okay,
so yeah again, we just we don't have the one thing,

(29:10):
which is the place right the actual location of the bout.
That's the only thing really missing at the moment. But
other than that, I listen, I love this fight, obviously,
David Benavidez right now is the fight I think in
a lot of people would you know, in a pie
in the sky scenario, want to see. But I love
this fight. I'm not going to complain about it because

(29:31):
it is two of the best in the world going
at it. And yes, weight class is a little bit
different for Terrence Crawford but he's not fighting what I
would consider to be a normal one hundred and sixty
eight pound fighter. Canelo is not that, right. Canelo has
moved up multiple weight classes to get to one sixty eight,
So they're really I mean, when you again you look
at them standing toe to toe here, you don't see
a massive size difference for Canelo. In fact, you kind

(29:53):
of see the opposite. Wait, how do you see the
fight plan out right now? I'm leaning Terrence Crawford. I'm
leaning Terrence Crawford right now, not just based on Canelo's
last performance, but based on Canelo over the last few years.
If I'm being honest, I just I haven't seen the
Canelo of the entry into one sixty that was able
to be defensive while being in front of you, that

(30:13):
was able to not just throw power punches, but his
jab was there. He was able to set things up.
And again he's done that, but it's just the punchline,
no pun intended hasn't been there for Canelo. Sure, he
dropped Berlanga, but he wasn't able to stop him, dropped Mungia,
wasn't able to stop him. And maybe those are in
retrospect good wins, but I don't know. I think he's

(30:35):
gonna need a little more than just the power punching
to beat Terrence Crawford. All right, so we are back
on the way concept presented by The Ring magazine, and
today I saw a very interesting debate going on and it
all stems from modern boxing. Right, what do people say
is the biggest problem with modern box Maybe some people
would say, up until recently, we don't get the fights
we want to see. Or maybe some people would say

(30:57):
modern boxing has favored fighters that look to win on
the judge's scorecard versus go out and win a fight,
win a match, versus win a fight. Now, I don't
think that's as black and white as the statement I
just made. I think there's a lot of gray area
in there. And because of recent performances like Times Square
with Devin Haney and Jose Ramirez, Ryan Garcia, Pnelo Alvarez,

(31:22):
William Skull, and others, there has been a little frustration
in the way fights are going and the way fights
potentially can go, and how to fix fights that are
considered boring or fighters that are considered runners or match
winners not fight winners. And recently even another YouTuber named
show Buzy Adult shout out. My brother has introduced the
no running rule, in his opinion, to stop some of

(31:44):
the lackluster performances in boxing, guys that are again trying
to win on the cars, not trying to win a fight.
And today Brickyella Shaik laid down the hammer. He said
no more running will be permitted on his events, and
the Internet kind of lost their mind. But I think
he might have been taking out of context a little bit.
And I understand how this is going to sound because
I'm working with the ring, but also I kind of

(32:06):
agree with him and Showbiz I'll explain why the breakdown.
Let's go all right, so let's go back to where
this all started, Showbiz the adult. After the performances I
assume of Devin Haney, of Ryan Garcia and of William
Skull over what should have been one of the biggest
weekends for boxing in modern history turned out to be
one of the more lackluster and kind of wet fart

(32:27):
performance wise weekends of boxing. Shout out to n Away
for saving the weekend. It was just last month that
all this happened, but Showbiz has had enough of it,
and he implemented something called the no run rule, or
at least a petition to change dot org to potentially
change the sports of boxing through the no run rule.
And listen, I'm sure that the Internet has already let

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showbiz hear at about how running is not what Devin
Haney was doing, or running is implemented in the sport
of boxing, because two guys standing in the middle and
trading blows in a gladiatorial fashion isn't necessarily the sweet science.
But I do think the sweet science has been bastardized
a little bit to mean something that it never was
supposed to mean. And we'll get into that. But at

(33:09):
the end of the day, this is one man's opinion
in showbiz and I think it's a good one. But
you don't have to agree with it. Don't need to
go after him or anybody else as a casual of
boxing or don't know what they're talking, none of that stuff,
because let me tell you, Showbiz, more than most people
in the sport of boxing that have a platform, including myself,
knows the sport inside and out and the history of it.

(33:30):
So let's take a look at this. I just wanted
to put that out there because let's all just relax
a little bit. Let's just let's engage in the conversation.
Everybody's passionate, the people especially that are the hardcore boxing fans.
We know you're passionate, but let's just engage in the
conversation without getting personal with it. Here is the issue,
he says, I've been passionate about boxing for years, and
as a devoted fan and now as a contributor to
the sport. The thrill of seeing two fighters engage in

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a battle of skill, strength and strategy is unmatched. But
recently an issue has overshadowed this excitement, the tendency some
fighters to prioritize excessive movement or running over engagement. This
is why I am advocating for the introduction of the
no running rule to ensure the essence of boxing is preserved. Now,
just off the first paragraph, Showbiz is specifically talking about

(34:16):
running now when he says the prioritization of excessive movement,
I consider that, yes, running, but I also consider it
strategy to win a fight by winning on the Marcus
of Queensberry rule set or on the judges' scorecard. The
sweet science. As now it's been referred to the problem
that I see with boxing right now. Much like in basketball,

(34:36):
when Steph Curry decided he was going to pull three
pointers from thirty five feet and he could do it,
and it was effective and he was consistent. He changed
the game of basketball, honestly, in my opinion, for the worst,
because now guys that aren't Steph Curry, even though they
can be great quality shooters and spurts, and even though
teams like the Celtics hit a bunch of threes from

(34:59):
time to time, the NBA has foregone a more fluid
game of basketball, a game that includes both short range,
mid range, three point range, and defensive presence along with
a big man. I could go on in lieu of
essentially putting four players maybe even five, on the floor
that can potentially in some cases shoot the three and
jacking up about fifty to sixty of them. Again, what

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does this discussion have to do with boxing? The same
principle almost lies true with some of the greatest fighters
that could do everything, but chose in certain instances to
do the thing that we now call running, or the
thing in their version or in their way that they
could get away with that other fighters can't. It's much
like we talk about Floyd Medweather protecting the O right,
the fifty and oh mark for Floyd and how fighters

(35:43):
want to move like Floyd did because he changed the sport,
he also in some ways changed the sport in the ring.
And not to say that Floyd was the first person
to box on the back foot and look to move
laterally to win fights when his hands broke and he
was not as sure of a puncher moving up in wait.
Other fighters did that as well, in Muhammad Ali for example. Yeah,
he had performances where he was a lateral mover, or

(36:05):
you know the George Foreigner performance where he just took
a beating on the ropes, but you know, fought very defensively.
There's been other fighters throughout the history. Sugar Ray Leonard
and the Marvin Aglar fight was a very much lateral movement.
But that's the greatest of the great of all time.
And they did it in spurts, not entire performances, Entire
careers made off of fighting that way. This is kind

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of what I mean when I say the greats sometimes
did things so well that it spoiled other fighters into
thinking that was the specific way to fight. Now, again,
you can't really tell people how to fight. But I
think the point that show business making here is somewhere
along the lines, fighters saw that this was a easier
way to win fights, stay safe, make money, and continue

(36:48):
to move forward in their careers. And I guess you
can't really blame them when it's allowed to happen. But
as spectators of the sport, as fans of the sport,
it made the sport less interesting to watch it. Make
no mistake about it. Whether we want to call boxing
the sweet science or not, this is a spectator sport.
And you can be damn sure that people do tune
in to watch fighters fight each other. They don't tune

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in most of the time to watch a stalemate. And
even someone like Girmo Riggandau, who was a defensive master,
didn't have a lot of fans that would tune into
a bunch of TVs. In fact, he was kind of
blackballed off TV, off pay per view at least because
his style was just not interesting for people to watch.
It was a defensive boxing presence of the highest order,

(37:29):
but it just wasn't conducive to building a fan base
to building the sport. It worked for him, but again
as an exception to kind of what the sport is
meant to be, which is, yeah, a fight. Boxing is
not just about hitting and avoiding punches, thank you. It
is a testament to the courage and tenacity of its athletes. However,
many consecutive rounds of excessive avoidance of engagement undermines these

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qualities and affects the sports integrity quote. The no running
rule would serve to discourage fighters from resorting to constant
movement as a strategy to avoid fighting. This rule would
allow referees to deduct points for excessive movement, but the
intentions to avoid engaging instead of fighting, similar to the
penalties given for excessive clinching. So Showbiz here is advocating

(38:13):
for an actual rule set to be developed where fighters
are discouraged from excessively disengaging from Actually this is a
little bit controversial, to be honest, but there is warnings
about excessive clinching, which is an effect. The one hundred
and eighty degree version of the no running rule is
as it were, as it's mentioned here, right, referees will
get upset with you and will warn you and potentially

(38:34):
will take a point while calling fights. I've seen this
happen before, where referees will give it you multiple warnings
and even sometimes take a point for excessive clinching. The
question you have to ask is why are they taking
those points, And the answer simple. Fighters are holding on
to their opponents so that they don't have to fight,
so the other opponent won't hit them, and they don't
have to hit the opponent. They can rest, they can
recover without taking damn And that's kind of what he's

(38:57):
upset about, and providing this whole petition for it is
the opposite of that, but kind of the same thing.
Fighters disengaging from all action and moving laterally without a
plan to really engage at all, just simply to avoid
taking damage. And in the very small pockets of windows
they can land a punch, they will and continue moving.

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This does absolutely turn fans that either you want to
call them casuals or people that may have an interesting
getting into boxing, they turn away from the sport. And
it's so easy to see. It's not even close to
like watch a fight from the nineteen sixties, seventies, eighties,
or nineties between again, the heavyweights of the sixties and seventies,

(39:41):
the middle weights of the seventies and eighties, or the
heavyweights of the nineties and go, oh yeah, no, this
is completely different from the fight we see today, especially
in the lower weight classes. I mean, watching guys like
Will Frando Gomez and Salvador Sanchez like it's night and day,
different from watching some of the guys in the lower
weight class of today's boxing. Again, the simple point is

(40:01):
excessive avoidance of fighting in a fight turns fans off
to watching what has happened and loses not only that
fighter fans, but potentially fans of the sport in general
or potential fans of the sport. The objective is clear
to maintain the dynamic and engaging nature of boxing. This
aligns with existing regulations, such as those that penalize excessive clinching,

(40:23):
and would enhance the spectacular experience by encouraging continued action
and engagement in the ring. This it's not about the
diminishing defense or movement to avoid punches, which I like
that he said that, and we'll get into in just
a second. This is about fighter's intentions to avoid fighting
by prioritizing excessive movement over many rounds of a fight,
reducing the expected experience from fans, the fighters, careers, and

(40:46):
the status of the sport. I really like that he
included the part about like this doesn't mean I want
a war and I want guys to stand with one
foot in a tire and just swing until someone falls
completely flat on their face on the canvas. That's not
what showbusiness advocating for. And I think this is where
the discussion overall is being lost by pretty much everybody online.

(41:08):
But we'll get back to that. But again, let's just
keep in our minds as we continue to read through this.
This doesn't mean you can't be defensive as a fighter.
It doesn't mean you can't move as a fighter. Again,
this is a frustration by a fan and now contributor
to the sport, and I think he speaks for a
lot of people when he says that there's an excessive
and purposeful avoidance of action from a fighter that just

(41:30):
does not want to engage. About being defensively sound and
then capitalizing. It's about continuously avoiding any sort of interaction
with another fighter in lieu of excessively moving and staying
away from danger until again, you can land a handful
of punches perade. That's a boring way to fight, and
fans know it. I know it. You know it. You

(41:51):
can hide behind the veil of This is the sweet science.
This is what technique is. And sure, okay, you know
by the letter of the law. I guess you're right.
But it ain't interesting and it ain't growing. The sport
fighting that we keep going backing for this initiative comes
from the numerous fans and stakeholders we've witnessed. Wait, stakeholders
is interesting. Who's he talking about there? I mean, he
could have been talking about Turkey right here. Stakeholders who

(42:14):
have witnessed this trend and share concerns about its impact
on boxing viewership and appeal. Statistics reveal that boxing viewership
tends to drop when matches are perceived is less engaging. True,
ensuring active participation in the ring is in the sports
best interest. I call upon the regulatory bodies to consider
this proposal seriously and engage in a meaningful discourse with athletes, referees,
and fans. Together, we can preserve the vitality and attraction

(42:38):
of this historic sport by supporting the implementation of the
no running rule. Shout out to show biz if you
guys want to go sign it. I think the link
is in his Twitter or in the subscription of his channel,
and maybe I'll put it in the description of mine
as well. By the way I look at that Pictures
show Biz, he kind of looks like he kind of
looks like Ashton Hall. And everybody on the internet has
had their say about that petition. But now h E

(43:00):
is weighing in, and as everybody knows, he's come in
and you know, completely disrupted the sport and has done
things to bring boxing into a mainstream audience once again,
not only the Canelo Alvarez Terrence Crawford fight happening on
Netflix in Las Vegas. We had the Times Square card,
we had Usik and Fury two times. We had better
bv and Bivil two times. He's making fights people want

(43:22):
to see. And now he's agreeing with Shobiz on this
specific thing. Maybe not about, you know, how to implement
the no running rule if it were a rule, but
he agrees that people need to stop doing this, and
in fact, he is kind of putting a mandate down
today or I guess yesterday. Nowweat it out. From this
point on, I don't want to see anymore Tom and

(43:42):
Jerry type boxing matches where one fighter is running around
the ring and the other is chasing. Maybe he meant
to say, we can no longer support these kinds of
fights with riad season and the ring. We want to
support fighters who leave it all in the ring and
fight with their heart in pride, and the internet went crazy.
Now again, I agree with him, Tom and Jerry type
of fighting is rough to watch, especially when it's not

(44:05):
done with the purpose of finding ways to finish the fight.
If there's one fighter that's looking to move forward and
one fighter that's consistently just not wanting to engage at all,
it makes for a boring fight. It just really does.
Like if there's a fighter not engaging or moving to
set up the engagement right sliding laterally to catch an
angle or get out of the corner or turn the
corner and then reset the action and fight. That's not

(44:28):
what he's talking about. He is speaking specifically about fighters
that are consistently moving away from the action in lieu
of trying to capitalize on a fighter walking forward by
engaging them and knocking them out. And there's again a
bit of a mixed bag, as it will be with
the Internet. BJ floor is. I agree with Turkey and
Tonio Otarvor. I agree the new day in boxing. I'm
only trained skill of fighters, have some people that don't

(44:51):
like and still boxing. You can't control how fighters fight
to win. We all want a good scrap, but unfortunately
it's not your gift to decide how a fighter comes
to win. Messages like the start to make you a
bit controlling, make the fights, except some might be shit.
This isn't power slash, So I mean that's true. Turkey
can't control how people fight. That's five thousand percent true.

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That's not never something he's gonna be able to do.
But again, I don't think this is Turkey trying to
control fighting. It is him trying to encourage fighters to
fight again, to win fights by fighting, not winning boxing
matches by running or moving laterally excessively, or trying not
to engage. Again, we go back to that point. But
again I think people are mistaking what Turkey wants to see.

(45:35):
He wants to see offense and defense, but done in
a way that fighters can engage in the fight. Defense
doesn't mean completely disengaging from your opponent. It can happen
in certain points again, to reset the action, to reset footwork,
to cut an angle, to turn the corner to get
out of the corner, whatever it is, but those are
moments in a broader context of trying to hit the

(45:57):
opponent while also not being hit. It isn't at least
it shouldn't be, in my opinion, touch the opponent, hit
the opponent once, maybe twice, and then completely get out
of dodge until the next time you want to engage
the action. Just to do the same cycle over and
over and engage in the action is just one or
two punches because anymore would leave you in the pocket
to be countered, so you have to completely disengage. Defense

(46:18):
and boxing, yes, is multifaceted, but a high level defensive
artist is one that not only can make you miss
without always completely disengaging from the action, but also can
make you miss and make you pay. That is the
sweet science to me. To me, offensive boxers are only
heightened by their defensive ability. A guy like Canelo Alvarez,
while yes, his output hasn't been great lately, he's one
of the better defensive to offense transition boxers I've ever seen.

(46:40):
His ability to make you miss and make you pay
is unlike any other and someone that, yeah, later in
his career, might have been faulted for running too much.
Was Floyd Mayweather one of the best forward moving counterpunchers
there was. He would make you miss in the pocket
and hits you with a pull right hand and make
you pay. That is what defensive boxing is to me.
Your offense is heightened by your defense. If you're able

(47:03):
to make someone miss and encounter them, the punch impact increases,
your ability to land flush increases, the damage increases. You
get more entertaining fights, and so on and so on.
But for the people that say that Turkey can't control
how fights happen, they're right, he can't. What he can
do is discourage a certain type of fighting by partnering

(47:25):
with fighters that share the same vision. Fighters that want
to fight people have to get out of their mind
that I mean, let's just be honest. The Devin Haney
style of fighting in the in the Jose Ramirez fight
is what defensive boxing at its highest level looks like.
It's not. What makes for a great fighter is to
have that in their bag if things aren't going their way,
if they need to reset the fight, but also to
be offensively dangerous and defensively responsible in the pocket. But

(47:50):
we're talking about a select few fighters, and those select
few fighters, some of them have been considered the best
in the world while fighting a very timid style, and
it makes them not pay per view friendly, it makes
them entertaining for fans, and unfortunately for them, puts them
in a position where they're not big stars and really
no one is paying attention when they fight. So yeah,
I don't know, it's just that their careers become this year, today,

(48:13):
gone tomorrow kind of surface level. Well, hey, yeah, that
guy fought, I guess, but no one's really resonating with that.
No one's eager to see it. In fact, most of
the time, they're just eager to see someone get knocked
out because they hate the way they fight. But again,
I just I think that people are really focusing on
this point that Turkey is saying, I don't want runners,
which to them means that Turkey is saying I want
people to stand in the middle of the ring and

(48:35):
swing it out until someone hits the canvas, which is
not true. Lomachenko just retired, had insane footwork and movement
in the pocket. You didn't see Lomachenko moving backward a ton.
You saw him shifting in the pocket and you know,
ironically enough, one of the better fights that Devin Haney
had is one where he had to dig in and
fight another fighter that could move. He had to because Lomachenko,

(48:57):
who just had as good a footwork as he did,
get away from Lomachenko. He brought one of the best
fights out of Devin Haney that we've seen, and Devin
won the fight. Even if you don't agree that he
won whatever on the cards, Devin won that night. It
was because someone had the ability to make him fight.
And for people trying to make this like, oh, you're
just talking about Devin Shakur, those are the two names
that come to mind because of the performances in recent memory.

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But I just saw a fight in the UK and
I can't even remember the guy's name, that's how unmemorable
the performance was. But he did the same thing. I
think he ended up getting beat because of it. I
don't know what happened, but it was just so boring
and it was so just just disengaging, not only in
the fight but as a fan just being like, all right, bro,
well I'll go do something else now, because clearly one
guy wants to fight and the other guy does it,

(49:40):
So why would I watch this? I'm saying when it
comes to Turkey Ala Shak, he can kind of implement
something like this where he looks at fighters and says,
I like that style of fighting. I want to bring
them on as an ambassador or on a Ring magazine
card or to re odd season. And whether you like
it or not, he does have a lot of leverage.
And that may be the one thing that changes the

(50:01):
way fighters fight. Is if Turkey is signing some of
the biggest fighters. He's signing some of the biggest fights,
and you want an opportunity over there, you may have
to change the way you fight. If you're not necessarily
doing that, and Turkey's like, well, I just I'm not
interested in signing you, then I have no problem with that,
and I don't think any fight fans should. That's what
the free market is. That's what everybody enjoys about boxing
that they're frustrated with with the UFC or some of

(50:23):
these other companies is that there is competition out there. Right,
you have the Ring magazine, you have these other promotions
that they don't like that Turkey doesn't like that, then
your favorite fighter can go fight on Matchroom or they
can go fight on PBC or somewhere else. Ultimately, that
is his decision. So no, Turkey can't change the way
fighters fight. But that's not what Turkey is saying. He's
given you all the message that if certain fighters, and

(50:44):
I'm sure they know who they are, if they don't,
then maybe they'll find out. But if they continue to disengage,
if they continue to skate by, if they continue to
try to win matches and not fights, they won't find
themselves on a ring magazine card, and they won't find
themselves on a reat season card. That's what I think.
Thank you, guys. Let me know in the comments where
I get it wrong, and let the debate continue respectfully,

(51:04):
please on all sides, because at the end of the day, everybody,
we all love the sport. It's just a matter of
making it the best it can possibly be by providing
what it is that we think is wrong or what
fighters or commentators or contributors or fans or whatever whoever
else promoters can do better, because I think we can
all do better. That's what I think, though, you guys,

(51:24):
let me know in the comments. What happens next to
show biz is gonna actually get a no running rule implemented.
Are you gonna see ring magazine or reat season cards
a little different based on who is fighting in a
certain way and who's going to be on them. I
don't have any of those answers yet, But as far
as this avoidance of contact in a combat sport goes,
it's got a change, That's what I think, But I
guess we'll find it. He was and still is the

(51:47):
Boogeyman of the one hundred and seventy pound a vision
of the UFC and folks I'm talking about tomorrow Oosman,
bad knees and all. He says, y'all need to shut
the f up because he can still do what he does,
And he did just that in the main event of
UFC Fight Night in Atlanta. But kamar Usman also rewound

(52:07):
the clock showed you that thirty eight is just a
number that happens to be his age but does not
affect that he is one of the greatest one hundred
and seventy pound fighters of all time, still potentially mounting
a comeback for that ghast status. What happened in the
main event and throughout the entire card of UFC Fight
Night Atlanta, The breakdown. Let's go all right, so main

(52:29):
event we'll get to, but let's talk about this card
in general. The UFC Fight Night Atlanta card was a
bit of an odd one. Started out really well. I'm
not going to talk about every fight on the prelim card,
but there was some good ones. Philip Rowe came back
from the brink of death pretty much in his fight,
and one by TKO stoppage Malcolm Wellmaker, who is at
the tender age of thirty two yet somehow is still

(52:51):
a prospect in the sport of MMA. That's kind of
where we're at. He was nine to oh coming into
this thing, and he fought a familiar face to USC fans. Well,
maybe not because his face was so battered the last
time we saw him. Chris Mautino, that's right, the man
that Sean O'Malley gave a ten piece chicken nugget too,
and Seean beat the shit out of him, but he
found a way to hang in. Didn't go so well

(53:11):
for him tonight, though, because Malcolm well Maker, who again
is thirty two but I consider a prospect, gave him
a right hook to the jaw off a feint of
a front kick and absolutely sent him to the shadow round.
That was something I did not expect to happen. But
I also didn't know much about Malcolm well Maker and
what a performance, what a moment probably should have if
he didn't get knockout or performance of the night ose Ochoa,

(53:34):
big time win versus Cody Durdin. Nasty punches there put
him out like he was on a stretcher. And then
as we got closer to the main card, listen, this
Paul Craig Hudolfo Bellatto fight was insane. Bellotto was seemingly
winning the fight and then put on an Oscar worthy
performance by flailing about after yes, getting hit with an

(53:54):
illegal upkick that kind of hit him in the jaw,
kind of hit him in the shoulder, but he looks
at the referee as he he's falling down, almost again
Oscar worthy cinematics, and it's like, ref you're gonna do
anything about this. Hits the ground, looses his eyes, thinks
for a second, and then starts spasming and flailing about
like a fish out of water. And then suddenly, almost

(54:14):
as if it was scripted, he wakes up and starts
defending takedowns against the referee. And starts to act as
though the referees trying to get into his half guard.
He's gotta get frames on him. It was a joke.
I mean, if you could see the pictures online, maybe
there is some that we can find really quick. I mean,
this is the best way to describe it. You see
him looking at the referee while falling, and then all

(54:36):
of a sudden, he's dead. He faked being seriously injured
by a headkick. And usually I'm not the guy to
say all fighters are faking things to try to get
a winner and try to get out of a fight,
but that one was pretty clear that it did not
affect him in the way that he put on that
it did. Maybe I'm wrong. I hope that I am,
but that looked clearly a bit a bit stagey. But anyway,
that was just kind of the weird part of the
card and it kind of started to snowball from there

(54:59):
because then Alonzo Minifield, as a plus five hundred or
plus five fifty underdog, beat Omar Sai, who was undefeated
in a three round not very much going on decision.
This was one of the slowest fights maybe I've ever seen,
and I don't know why it happened to go that way,
but it just did. And Alonzo Menafield cash for all
the underdogs. I should have put money on him, I didn't.

(55:20):
Mansor abduam Malik versus Cody Brundris was next, and again
this was a weird one because Cody Brundridge could have
been up two to zero in this fight going into
the third round. It could have been a one to
one back and forth kind of, you know, lackluster fight.
And then the third round starts and we got fireworks.
Brundage moving forward, throwing big time punches, swinging for the bleachers,
Mansers swinging back, and all of a sudden, we got

(55:42):
a firefight on our hands. And somewhere in the middle
of the firefight they separate and come back together, and
there's a head clash, and the head clash from Mansor
to Cody Brundage puts Brundage down a legitimate head clash,
and then Mansur files up with ground and pound and wins.
But it was really because of the head clash in
a fight that otherwise have been a draw. Thirty six
seconds into the third round, the referee gives a technical

(56:04):
decision victory to Mansour for reasons I don't really understand.
The damage that happened to cause Rundage to fall down
and to clasp at his head was a clear head
clash and you're only thirty six seconds into the round?
How do you determine who won that round? Very odd
but you know, I thought we could have seen a
draw there or no contest, but that's not what happened.
And then a fight that I thought was going to

(56:26):
be the start of the resurgence of the once again
reminder that Cody Garbrant is yet to make his second
title run, unfortunately, was not meant to be. Raoni Barcellos
comes in and, uh, you know what, he beats Cody
Garbrant in a decision. But this was a typical Cody
Garbrant fight. He rocked Barcellos in the first round, put

(56:48):
him down, and instead of capitalizing on it, he pulled
out a hand sniper and kind of pointed it at
him and then did like a Fond's double click in
finger guns and danced for a little bit and barcel
got to his feet and recovered, and Cody got tired.
He started getting hit to the body. In the second round,
he saw some of the bad habits of Cody Garbrant

(57:08):
creep back in, which I say creep back in, but
they never really left. His head never moves off the
center line. He ducks into upper cuts and knees, and
his striking just hasn't gotten better from the kind of
short arm, furious punching blitz that we saw all the
way back when Cody was making his run in twenty sixteen.
It just that's what it feels like. It feels like
Cody Garbrant has never gotten better from his peak of

(57:31):
twenty sixteen twenty seventeen, going from unranked winning the world championship.
He has some swagger, Yes he has some ability, Yes
he's got fast hands, he's got power, but he fence,
his variety, his thought process and his decision making just
have not gotten better as UFC fighter. And you know what,
grass to Marcellos for the win. It really does show

(57:52):
you how good umar Nu mcgamedov is for how nasty
he treated Barcelos. But he is my goat of just
complete chaos and hopium that sometow he will be better
than he previously was. It's never the case, it never
works out that way. But I hate it for Cody.
Congrats to Barceloa. And then we had our co main event,
random Maverick versus Rose nomin units, another fight that at

(58:13):
its moments Rose landed a nasty left hook and dropped Maverick,
and at one point you could argue that Miranda Maverick
won the first round and the second, which is why
I wasn't really understanding of a thirty twenty seven decision
for Rose. But regardless, she did have the one knockdown,
she did land two takedowns. You know, the striking department
did go Miranda's way. All in all, a somewhat close fight,

(58:34):
one that you could argue Miranda should have potentially won
with the first couple of rounds, But I'm fine with
Rose winning that. What she does next, I have no idea,
but thug Rose is clearly back. Can she make a
run back at the belt? Can she get the belt back?
Can she find that I'm the best form once again?
We'll see. But then he had the main event and
on a night where things were just a little bit

(58:54):
off and a little bit weird, especially leading into the
main event where walking Buckley was having trouble even entering
the venue. Security would not let him in for a
moment for his main event spot. You figured this main
event might be a little bit odd, it might get
a little hairy, you might get a little sketchy, and
that just didn't happen unless you're a woking Buckley fan,
and a lot of people in the MMA scene did
pick joking Buckley. I actually didn't make a prediction video,

(59:16):
So I'm not going to toot my own horn when
I just flippantly threw out there yesterday that I thought
Kamara Ousman would win this fight, because that's not really
fair to do for people that actually did breakdowns and predictions,
even if they got it wrong. I'm not gonna claim
I got it right. And also, who gives a fuck
if you got it wrong or if you got it right.
You guys are out there claiming MMA expertise because you
picked a fight right, you dumb Tomorrow Usman walking Buckley

(59:38):
five round main event, And this one right here was
a reminder, even for a guy like me who has
seen Kamara Usman come up through the ranks of this sport.
Right after it he started being called Marty Usman, but
after he was Marty Usman from Nebraska, but before he
was close to a world title when he was smoking
people like Emil Meek and John Strickland and others at

(59:58):
one hundred and seventy pounds and getting on the microphone
after performances that some people didn't like and some people
did talking about that's only thirty percent. Watching his rise
and eventual championship run where he was least you forget
lapping the division. That means beating contenders over and over
in rematches in three matches. There was no three matches,
but it sounded fun to say anyway, Tomorrow had fallen

(01:00:20):
on some hard times, recently lost the Hamza Chimaya fight,
obviously lost both the Leon Edwards fights, and you thought, okay,
thirty eight years old, maybe he's done for you know,
maybe it's it's time to go ahead and say, hey,
it has been a legendary career, but just like every
other legend, your time ends at a certain point. And
especially off those three losses and a six hundred day layoff,

(01:00:44):
what was it going to look like at thirty eight
years old for kamara uz And on the other side
of it, Joaquim Buckley was riding a however many fight
winning streak. Let's take a look. He had five fight
winning streak coming into this fight, with the most recent
two being a nasty ko over Steven one Boy Thompson
and a Kotko over Colby Covington. Now, what he did

(01:01:04):
to Joaquin Buckley tonight, ladies and gentlemen was pure domination
of the highest orders. And no, it wasn't the most
flashy and it wasn't the most intricate game plan in
the world. He walked forward, looked for Joaquin Buckley to
throw big, powerful, fast punches, level change, got underneath it,
took him down, used his ground and pound, used his

(01:01:24):
wrestling control, and Joaquin Buckley up off the top position
on the ground. That's what happened round after round. His control, time,
his elbows, his punches, his maneuvering, his experience, and his
ability won him this fight. Nasty elbows in the first
round cut up Joaquin Buckley's eye. From that point, it

(01:01:45):
wasn't a ton of like eye opening devastating damage coming
from tomorrow in those top positions. No, but he was landing,
he was scoring, and he was keeping Joaquin Buckley on
the ground while he was able to land. And also
he was taking him down time after time. In the
second round, he shot a takedown from what felt like
a mile away and landed it on Joaquing Buckley. And

(01:02:06):
that'll probably be the most frustrating part for Joquing buckley
fans tonight is like how going into a fight with
kamara Usman, had you not worked on more wrestling or
is it just the kamara Usman had great timing tonight.
He got to Joaquing Buckley's hips, he was able to
get EN's class, and he was able to turn the
corner on him multiple times before Buckley was able to
even try to defend. There were multiple moments on the

(01:02:27):
feet where Woquing Buckley was clearly the more dangerous fighter Tomorrow.
Did a good job of not committing too much. There
were times where he got a little Recklet's been not
committing too much to the exchanges on the feet, stayed
behind his jab, which is still I think a very
good job for him. A He tried to frame and
circle out a lot, but moments where he got a
little greedy and showed some of the big holes in
kamara Usman's game, which are you know, his combination striking

(01:02:50):
him standing in the pocket looking to exchange with a
guy like Joaquin Buckley, who is a very good combination striker.
Usman would dip his head kind of do the old
fucking chuck and it didn't look great. And even sometimes
ducked the head and looked for them way ty clinch
and you'd see Buckley looked for the lead head uppercuts
or the flying knees, and there were the right ideas,
they just weren't landing as clean in the first I
would say two rounds. You could say Buckley potentially took

(01:03:13):
the third because he did land some nasty punches in
the third round. I think one of the right hands
that he had from the south pop position clipped Tomorrow
And as soon as Kamara got clipped with a big
shot immediately single leg takedown, I'm taking this fight back over.
We're not doing that showse were the moments where Kamara
Usman started to win back the fight. Those were the
moments where Joaquin Buckley's striking ability didn't matter anymore. As

(01:03:36):
good as he was on his feet and as good
as he could have been in this fight, like if
Joaquin Buckley had better takedown defense, this fight was going
to be a problem for Kamara Usman absolutely, but he
just didn't have it. He just did not until the
fifth round. And it wasn't a matter of Joaquin Buckley
all of a sudden learning takedown defense. But he stuffed
I want to say, five or six takedowns in the
fifth round, which shockingly enough was his most successful round

(01:03:59):
because he didn't have to get up off his back.
He did have to use some effort to defend takedowns,
but surely it's less effort than trying to get up
off your flat back on the ground. And once he
was able to sprawl, and once he was able to
defend takedowns, he was able to get more shots off
and in turn allowed him to land some big, heavy,
significant strikes. Fair play to Kamorrow. He had a chin
because he was getting tagged with some of that stuff

(01:04:20):
in the fifth round. And I saw something online. People
are like, he just learned how to do takedown defense
in the fifth round. No, I mean yeah, definitely. He
started to find patterns in what Kamara Usman wanted to do.
When especially Kamar started just looking for a single leg
and not going power double legs. It's tiring to do,
and that's another part of it. But Buckley saw patterns.
He was able to use that muscle memory to start

(01:04:42):
to get his under hooks. That was another thing he
started to actually use under hooks. More of what I
think happened in the fifth round was that Ousman had
shot a ton of takedowns. He had used a lot
of energy to control Buckley on the ground and they
were both sweating profusely, and the takedowns became more difficult
and Buckley got some confidence. He had not any confidence
outside of that third round where he landed some big

(01:05:03):
time punches, but it had no confidence in stopping Kamara
Ousman from doing whatever he wanted, and it was fading
round by round. But the more he defended takedowns and
the more he was able to start sensing patterns, he
started to develop a little bit more confidence, a little
bit more swagger. That all turned to him being more
successful on the feet. I think there's a lesson to
be learned. That's the famous quote right from Connor McGregor

(01:05:26):
and now kind of used pretty much everywhere in fighting.
You don't it's win or learn, not win or lose.
And I think for Buckley, he's humble enough as a
guy to be able to go, you know, what mar
Oosman's still that guy at the top of the vision
and this was a dominating performance for at least three
of those rounds, potentially four. But Jachem Buckley is by
no means done at seventy's thirty one years old. He
can definitely get better. For everybody online talking about, oh,

(01:05:48):
he's never getting better, he'll be just fine. This is
the first time he's experienced this kind of wrestling domination,
but he'll be just fine. I think he'll come back
and be just as devastating. I'll get the numbers here too.
By the way, it's not like the numbers show a
crazy dominant fight or Kamara Ousman outside of obviously the
total strikes, but you look at significant strikes and Buckley

(01:06:09):
had a lot. He defended nine takedowns like that's not
on paper as dominant as it actually was. But there
there's moments there of hope or woking Buckley to go.
You know what I can in if they do put
him in there with another grappler like a Sean Brady
or someone like that, that he has an ability the
stuff takedowns and when he's on his feet, he's fucking dangerous,

(01:06:31):
and so Kamara Usman got on the mic afterward very emotional.
I think some of it has got to do with
personal stuff that he's going through, but some of it's
got to do with us, the MMA online community talking
crazy shit to him, talking about he has no knees
and he can't do it, and he's washed up, and
he's old, and yeah, you know, all those things. For
the most part, as a general consistus. When you're thirty
eight and you're coming off three losses and you haven't

(01:06:53):
fought in six hundred days, and that stuff wouldn't lead
you to believe that the show is probably over. Pack
it up, let's go home. But once again, Kamorrow, Usman
is not your regular UFC fighter. He's not even your
regular UFC former champion. He is one of the greatest
one and seventy pound fighters that's ever lived. And is
time to just shut the fuck up and say respect, legend.
You just did the damn thing once again and reminded

(01:07:16):
everybody who the fuck you are. That's it. That's all
you can really say about that performance. Now, as far
as what's next, well as Tomorrow is going to tell
you what he thinks is not necessarily a great matchup,
but what I think is the only match to make
for him right now.

Speaker 7 (01:07:33):
Blow Mohammed quickly tweeted, see you soon. I know your
eyes are on a title fight, but if the USC
comes to you, that's also a pretty big fight. Former
champ for former champ. A lot of backstory. Is that
something you would entertain if the UFC.

Speaker 3 (01:07:46):
You know, came to about it?

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
Who is it?

Speaker 7 (01:07:48):
Uh below Mohammed?

Speaker 3 (01:07:50):
Who's it?

Speaker 7 (01:07:51):
Former welterweight champion?

Speaker 1 (01:07:53):
Blow Mohammed?

Speaker 3 (01:07:54):
Next? I forgot it? Next? Thanks Champ?

Speaker 1 (01:08:00):
Remember the name? But he forgot it now. I don't
know if that's very clever like fight set up from
Kamara Usman. I have a feeling he genuinely is like,
I don't really give a shit about fighting the law.
But here's the thing, Maaro Usman and bal Mohammad have
a brewing rivalry right now. They have a rivalry based
on the fact they keep chirping each other. You heard

(01:08:21):
it there, there's this apparent missing podcast footage of Blaal
and Tomorrow legitimately getting into a fight on Camorrow and
Henry Shudo's podcast. A message from tonight's card. It was
an odd one. It was a bit of a clunker.
It had some moments, it had some bright spots, and
it had some lull but at the end of the day,
it had a reminder that Kamara Usman is the exception

(01:08:42):
to the rule when it comes to former champions aging
out of the division, aging out of the sport and
going on a downhill slide to eventual despair and unfortunate retirement.
That is not his story. It's history he's trying to make.
But that's not his story. His story, ironically, it'll be
history in the making. I think that Kamorrow has much

(01:09:03):
left to offer this sport. I've seen some people say
that didn't show me he can beat anybody in the
top four. Maybe not. I'm not going to doubt Kamorrow anymore.
Most recent losses he has are to Leon Edwards and
Haamza Chamaiev, one of which is not in the division.
And at the time he lost to Leon, it was
challenging for the belt, and then he was defending the
belt and then trying to re challenge for it. And
also the first fight he was dominating Leon Edwards and

(01:09:24):
then got headkicks. So I think there's a lot more
parody still left for Kamara Usman. I think it needs
to be valaal Mohammed so he can either forget or
remember the name next. But regardless, what a win, what
a performance for Kamorrow Usman. And I think Jaquem Buckley's
gonna be just fine. I think I still think he's
super dangerous. I think he's just got power and speed
and ridiculous timing in his hands. He just needs to

(01:09:45):
get some wrestling defense, some takedown defense, and get his
back to the cage, get under hooks, and find ways
to circle back to the middle of the octagon where
he can really do damage. I think he can still
do that. But you guys, let me know what you
think down in the comments. Blow This is my recap
review or see Fight Night Atlanta. I guess I'm I'm
doing this MMA thing again, man, I am. I'm still
doing the ring magazine content. We still have oxing cards

(01:10:07):
that I'm gonna commentate coming up, and I'm kind of
bouncing back and forth. Call me combat sports concept at
this point, because I'm all over the place with this ship. Yes,
you guys, let me know what you think down below.
What'd you think of the card? Would you think of
the main event? What happens next for all the fighters.
I don't have those answers, but as we'll find out,

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