November 29, 2023 • 59 mins
Shannon Sharpe shoots the breeze with NBA champ Trevor Ariza at Club Shay Shay. Trevor Ariza talks about playing alongside legends Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Harden, and Chris Paul. He discusses the Clippers' star-studded experiment headlined by Russell Westbrook, Paul George and Kawhi Leonard. Brace yourself – he's doing a reverse layup by picking Kobe over LeBron. #Volume #Herd
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Speaker 1 (01:58):
Hello, welcome to another distion the Club Shasha. I am
your host Sehannon Sharp. I'm also the ro priud of
Club Shasha and the guy that'stopping buy for conversation and
a drink. A drink today is an eighteen time is
an eighteen year NBA VET. He's a champion of the
two thousand and nine Lakers. He's top thirty all time
in steals. One of the original three and D guys.
A UCLA alum, a part of the two thousand and
four Pac ten All Freshman Team. Two thousand and three
(02:21):
mister California basketball, California high school state champion. He's LA
through and through, Trevor Reason Tram. What's up, Bro, Thanks
for joinings.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
Appreciate it. Thanks man, Man, Man, I've been chilling, Man, chilling.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
So a guy that plays eighteen years in the NBA,
obviously you used to having a schedule, and if I'm
not mistaking, this probably your first year out. So what
does an eighteen year veteran do now to fill the
time that he normally would be doing playing basketball?
Speaker 5 (02:47):
Man, that's crazy because as I was getting closer and
closer and closer to the end of my career, That's
what my friends that have retired, you know, years prior
to me, was telling me, like, you get a lot
of free time. So I had kind a guide to
learn how to, you know, manage my time, so spending
more time.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
With my children.
Speaker 5 (03:06):
I was able to do that, and I have a
couple of other projects that I was able to invest
my time into, so, you know, going back and forth
to the Islands and putting. The majority of my time
in with my three children has been where most of
my time is going to Do you miss it?
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Do I miss it? Not?
Speaker 5 (03:28):
Really, I don't really miss it because you know, every
day I'm with my son and he's in the gym
a lot, So I don't have the like, I'm not
like starving to go back out there on the court
and go play.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Because like, as you started to get older, your body
kind of started to break down.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
You started to get injured.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
And when you start to get injured, it's hard to
sum it up because you spend more time rehabbing than
you do training. And what you want to do is
that you know the time is nearing the end. You
just want to play basketball, and you're not playing, you're
in the training room where you're getting surgeries.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Are you're doing all of this? Did that start to
wear on you mentally? Mentally?
Speaker 5 (04:08):
Yeah, I think I had a bone spur in my
in my right foot and just trying to get back
into the groove. Being like the age that I was at,
it wasn't comfortable. It was it was agony, it was
it wasn't fun.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
No more so.
Speaker 5 (04:23):
My mind is telling me I can do certain things,
but my body isn't allowing me to do the respond.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
That's that's when I knew.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
It was like, all right, you know it's time to
go sit down, save some legs for for yeah, for
your JITs.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
You mentioned you had a son, and he's far and
I see where he's following in your footsteps.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Has offers from U. C. L. A USC Washington.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
How tall is he and how good is he?
Speaker 5 (04:52):
He's six eight right now, wow, so we round the
same height? And how good he is?
Speaker 2 (04:57):
He has.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
Unbelievable talent. He's ultra ultra ultra talented. He bouncey, He's
pretty bouncey. He's getting more athletic as he gets, as
he gets in the weight room a little bit more.
He's still young, really young. He's still only fifteen years old.
So you know he's he's learning how to work on
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his game. He's learning how to love or fall in
love with the process of the things that you might
not like.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
To do when you know you're pursuing a dream.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
When when you were playing, how locked in was he
to what you were doing? And he's like, did you
think that, like, you know what you might want to
follow what dad does or do you was like, Okay,
I'm gonna let him choose whatever he wants to do.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
I'm just gonna support it either way. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
No, that's never been my thing to push anybody to
do anything. They kind of got to want to do
it for themselves, because to play or to do something
at an extremely high level, can't nobody do that for you.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
You gotta want to do that on your own, right.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
So I kind of just allow him to, you know,
play with it a little bit until he came to
me and was like, Yo, Dad, this is serious. You know,
I really really really want to do this. And then
you know, with the experience that I have, I was
able to kind of show him some of the steps
that he needs to take and how hard it actually
was going to be, the sacrifices that you was going
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to have to give up to achieve the things that
you want.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
So you and I were talking early off camera and
you said, like, where Sofi was. That's where you used
to play football. So obviously you play football, you played basketball.
Has he done anything other than play basketball?
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (06:32):
Yeah, he played football at the same part. Okay, wow, yeah,
he played baseball.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
He's he's a really good athlete, smart, kid, he doesn't.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
He could do a little bit of everything.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
So you one of these days that believe that a
child should do multiple things instead of just specializing in
one thing. Because we see a lot of kids all
they do is play football, All they do is play basketball,
all they do is play baseball. You believe it playing
multiple sports make the kid more well rounded.
Speaker 5 (06:57):
Yeah, it definitely does. I was a that played multiple sports.
My favorite sport coming up was football. You know, I
just love the contact. Okay, I like to hear it.
I like to score touchdowns and all that stuff. But
I ended up outgrowing it. I got too tall, I thought.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
And my frame you didn't get you. My frame didn't
allow for me to continue down that path.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
So, you know, more sports was good.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
You said, he's fifteen six eight, about your same hight.
A game of one on one we played to a level.
Who win it?
Speaker 2 (07:30):
I'm gonna kick his eye.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
You can't let it beat your trail? No, hell no,
that's out. So at fifteen, let's go back. You at fifteen,
your son at fifteen, who's better at this age?
Speaker 2 (07:44):
He has more skill for sure?
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Right because he.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Had someone teaching him as opposed to you.
Speaker 5 (07:49):
I just I just think as time goes on, you
got loose. Yeah, right, And when I was coming up,
you know, the game or the skill was completely different.
You have to actually be a dog, and I feel
like that's where I'm gonna kick his ass on. I'm
an dogg.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
So because you are three and D guy, you a
guy that can shoot the three, but you're money known
for your defensive prowess. So how what are you trying
to instill your son Because a lot of these kids
I see now they focusing on the offensive end because
that's where you get the glory, that's where you get
the limelight. Right, So are you trying to like, look,
so you got to play both ends of the court,
you just can't. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
Well, he's he's a competitor on his own. You know,
he don't really like to lose. So anytime he has
a challenge or if he is playing against another one
of the top players, he takes that challenge on his own.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Right.
Speaker 5 (08:43):
It's not even something that you know, I got to
instill in him. He has that on his own. That's natural,
that comes natural to him.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
You said, your son is you know, we talked about evolution.
What's the biggest difference that you see with kids in
the game of basketball today as when you were that
same mage in the game of basketball.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
Again there is so the area is more social, you know,
it's it's social, but it's not social, right, And what
I mean by that is Internet social instead of like
personal social.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Yes, so like people taking it and not actually talking right.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
So you missed that kind of you know connection connection
going outside and playing with the hommies all day, riding
your bike to the park or riding your bike to
you know, whatever school that's close to get to the gym.
They're not really getting that. You know, we're driving them everywhere.
They in the gym, they got trainers, you know they're doing.
It's more like a business than it was just you know,
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for the love.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
And that's the biggest difference.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
I'm looking looking at you and your son played against
Lebron's son Bronnie Gilbert Areena son master p son. You
were an ex professional athlete, what what how do you
how do you tell your son how to approach it
when he's playing against other celebrity kid.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
I don't think it's a difference, man. You treat everybody
the same. You treat people with respect, but you still
got to try to go break their fucking neck on
the court. I mean, it's that's what it is. It's
competition and you want to impose your will on the
next player. Like you may be cool, y'all might be
like friendly or friends or whatever the case may be,
but on the court, it's no friends.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Right.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
How how strange is it to see your son playing
against Lebron James Jr.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Consider you've played against Lebron jameson Uh, It's it's crazy.
It's really full circle, you know.
Speaker 5 (10:40):
And that's the beauty about sports, and like you know,
having offspring, you get to uh actually watch them. It's
almost like playing the video game. So the things that
you may have done then you can kind of like
you know, say hey, yo, look do it. Try to
do it this way or think about it like this,
so you get a second chance at RELI even moments
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in this type of space right here.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
So what type of parent are you? Are you kind
of like you know, I think now in the social
media area, we get Era, we get LeVar Ball or
although there was no social media or you more like
Dale Curry because they'll just sit back, fold his arm,
watch stem watch his son do what they do. Barr
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will tell you, mellow like this, Yello like this, zol
like this. All my boys like this. They go to
one team, guaranteed championship, multiple type. What type of What
type of dad is Trevor Rezon?
Speaker 5 (11:37):
The type of dad that I am is the only
person that is responsible for the success is him, right.
I don't have to go out and brag to a
whole bunch of motherfuckers.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
I'm not on that.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
So, like everything that I try to do is I
try to instill in my son what he has to do.
So it's not going to be like, you know, I'm
not gonna project lot like what I see in him
right on, people, He's gonna have to do that on
his own with his game. You know, I'm just gonna
feed it to him. That's that's the type of parent
I am.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Why did you think at fifteen years of age he
needed the Nio deal?
Speaker 5 (12:14):
That's that's kind of how can I say this? He's young,
He's really young, and.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
To me it's a bit early.
Speaker 5 (12:33):
But in this day and age, you know, you never
really you never really could like say what's too early
and what's not early? The good thing for him is,
you know, he gets an opportunity to see what it is,
see what he likes, see what he don't like, and
he's so young that he can still make decisions to
do whatever he wants to do.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
How receptive is he too, you're coaching because a lot
of time you still is dead. Yeah you're the next
basketball player, but you was dead. And it seems sometimes.
I know, when I had my son, he seemed to
be a little bit more receptive to somebody else telling
him what he needed to do as opposed to me,
because he could not see. All he saw was his
dad was trying to tell him something. And if somebody
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else told him the same thing, like okay, I get
it now.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
No, that's the same thing. That's universal, man. I don't
think that changes for anybody. But the one thing that
I do notice is that when he sees like what
I do tell him, he comes back to me.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
I was like, all right, dadd you was right.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
He was right about that dad, And I just looked
at him and I kind of laughed laughed at him.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
I'm looking at California basketball, California because I had I
had hold my hat on demarg de rozen and I said, well,
who you got California basketball.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
A New York basketball.
Speaker 5 (13:51):
Who I got? Yeah, I'm homegrown, bro. I'm always gonna
be loyal to the soil.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
I don't know I'm looking at. I'm looking at Okay, Kareem,
they got. I mean New York got Kareem, Michael, Jordan, Mello,
Ron Artest, doctor j Stefi, Marlbury, lamar Odam. You guys
got Bill Walton, Reggie Miller, Jason Kidd, Ray Allen, Gary Payton,
Paul Pierce, Kawhi, Kalay Dames, James Harden.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
I mean, as far as.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Volume, y'all got him killers but bad. I think Kareem,
Kareem and Jordan alone gonna take out like fourteen of
you guys. So now it comes down to what y'all
gonna do with Mellow and doctor j Man.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Meloe was tough.
Speaker 5 (14:31):
Melon probably like up there in like the three, the
top three in New York here, but you know, like
on a whole, I think we just got way more
killers than them.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Yeah, let's talk about the Clippers situation. Recently they acquired
James Harden. So now you pair of James Harden with Russ,
who's playing who? Russ was playing extremely well and he's
been playing well since he got to the Clippers. Last year,
you got Kawhi, you got PG. Do you think they
needed James Harden? And what's going on? Why hasn't it
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been able to mesh so far?
Speaker 5 (15:07):
So in basketball or in team sports, as you know,
chemistry is the biggest thing that you have to overcome, right,
James didn't go through training camp with them, so he
didn't get a chance to, like to even get acclimated
to what they're doing. It's going to take a while
for them to figure out what they're doing period. You know,
they've been going through injuries throughout their seasons with having
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PG and Kawhi already. So hopefully this year, somewhere twenty games,
they'll get a chance to mess together and.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Figure it out. Does someone need to come up the bench?
Can all four of those guys start? Nah?
Speaker 5 (15:48):
They can't really, I mean that's just the reality of shit.
It's not an All Star game, you know. So what
they got to figure out is how who and what?
Who's going to have the ball right, who's going to
play a role?
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Right?
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Who's going to sacrifice? And you know, well, how hard
is it? Because James hard has been an MVP. Russell
Westbrook has been an MVP. Kawhi Leonard is a two
time Finals MVP. Paul George has been an All NBA player.
So you try to bring all these personalities together, and
like you said, Russe and James need the ball. Now,
who's going to have the ball late in the ball game?
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Good thing? I don't have to worry about that.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
That's but that's the question that they have to figure
out as a team, like the for ten games, do
I have the ball? Or does James have the ball?
For ten games? To Russ have the ball? Does why
have the ball? This PG have the ball? Like how
do you figure that out?
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Right?
Speaker 5 (16:41):
That's that's kind of like I guess as a team,
who's going to impose their will, who's going to be
the dominant player to be Like, nah, let me see
because I'm going to willis to this.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
But that don't seem like why is personality? Now I
could be wrong, you've played against him, but when I
look at him from a distance, he doesn't seem like
a guy that's gonna call a team meet and say, hey,
this is what needs to effing happen. He doesn't seem
the guy that's gonna bring bring the huddle together and says, God, look,
we're gonna run this right here. You're gonna get me
the ball right there, and I'm gonna go make it.
He doesn't strike me, and I could be wrong. Like
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I said, I'm just looking at it from a distance.
He doesn't strike me as that. That seemed more like
a Russ to say, Okay, this is what we're gonna
do as opposed to anyone else. What do you know him?
You played against him for decade?
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Who is like that? Let me see.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
I would have to say Russ probably is more of
like an alpha when I look at that group. But again,
that might not necessarily be true. Knowing Kawhi, I know
he's a He is a dog like in every aspect
of the word. So they gotta figure that shit.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
I'm just happy happy you not on the team having
to try to figure it out along with him.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
So when you heard Harden says, I'm not a system player,
I'm the system.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
I'm a system.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Considering that you're not going to be the James Harden
that was in Houston because you got three other All
Stars with you and you're not. I don't believe he's
that same player, because I think some of his athleticism
has Wayne and like you said, he didn't get a
training camp, so he's not in the peak condition to
be able to get by people kawhi in Finnish, let
you kawhim finish, stand around and let you be the system.
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PG ain't gonna stand around and let you be the system.
So how does James change his way of thinking in
order to make this thing work?
Speaker 5 (18:35):
Well, I think that's up to them, to them players.
If he's coming in with that mentality yourself, for them
to change it. Like if I'm going into a situation
and I've been the guy like my whole career and
my whole time, the only way I'm changing it is
somebody make.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Me change it.
Speaker 5 (18:52):
And if that's, you know, the stance he's gonna take,
it's up for that team to figure out how they're
gonna get him to come into whatever they're doing to
switch that up.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
If not, they gonna have a problem.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
You know what, you're the perfect person that I got
you here. You played with James hard to Houston. What's
he like in the locker room? Because we hear these
stories staying over late in a city, going to Vegas
and off days.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
What's James Harden like James?
Speaker 5 (19:22):
What I guess what people don't know is James will
work his ass off, Like after practice, he's running sprints.
Before practice, he's shooting, he's getting his treatment, he's lifting
weights after games. What he doing his personal life and
his personal business, that's that's up to him.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Like nobody should give a fuck about that.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
You cool with that? So you cool if he like
op times in the Vegas or you know, because you
know you seem like I mean from the video. Now
you like I said that social media get you in trouble.
But because they put everything on social media, he and
the club he popping bottles, He got them honeys around him.
Is that conducive for winning a championship? Because at the
end of the day, for him, that's the only thing
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that's left to prove improven.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
He one of the best players.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
He's the top seventy five player where you want to
rank him as far as two guards. Obviously the two
top spives belong to Jordani Kobd. So if you want
to say he's better than the way, a lot of
people are gonna fight you on that. And said way
is the third best because Wade got championships and YadA, YadA, YadA,
So but he the top. Whatever you want to say,
The only thing left is a championship? Can you win?
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Should he?
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Like?
Speaker 1 (20:26):
You know what, guys, I done got this party and
I'm gonna be able to get that party in again.
Let me go and get this championship. Let me focus
on this. I'm gonna give up the Script club. I mean,
I know that hard, but you know I'm gonna give
up some of them. Like you said, you told your
son he's got a sacrifice.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
What's it worth to you? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (20:44):
Some people, I guess, some vices work for people, you know,
and trying to change a player's game and a ninth
inning that's not gonna help nobody right right. So you know,
however he decides to live his life went if it
comes a time where he feels like he wants to
make a change, that's on him. And like everybody's going
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to have an opinion. So the idea for us as athletes,
Fuck everybody else's opinion on what I got to do.
As long as I'm doing what I need to do
and helping myself or helping my team doing the things
that I've been doing. I can't really listen to what
anybody else have to say. The peanut gallery is always
going to be that.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
How difficult is it for a player to change his
off court behavior when he's had success doing it that way?
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Basically is in our.
Speaker 5 (21:35):
Career, it's gonna be tough as hard as you got
to get humbled in a way, you know, And a
lot of the times when people stumble across things that
humble them, they start to look for ways to change
and to fix things.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
What I mean. He goes to Houston.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
He had individual success and he had some great players.
He had Chris Paul, he had Dawhight, Howard had Okay.
It didn't work there. Well, I want out whatever reason,
I don't know the reason, but he wanted out. He
goes to Brooklyn, he has kd he has Kyrie. It
doesn't work for whatever reason. I don't know the reasons.
He goes to Philly. He has arguably this, I think
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Yo Kich is the best player in basketball, let alone big.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
I think he's the best player.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
He probably he Jokish is one of the best. But
I feel like right now, Anthony Edwards is the best
player right now, yeah, Anthony team.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Anthony Edwards is a fucking dog. He had been played
on the Timberwood.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
I felt like he's the best player in the league
right now. He's my favorite player in the league right now.
How about that?
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Why? Why did it?
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Why did it work?
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Get those places for James? Think about what Kd's a
tops as an all seventy five player. Chris Paul is
All seventy five player. I think I believe for me personally,
I think the White Howich have been on the seventy
fifth adversary team. Why didn't it work?
Speaker 5 (22:56):
I mean, it don't work for everybody all the time.
A lot of people don't win. And the team that
we had in Houston was a really good fucking team.
We just ran into the best team of the decade
at the time. You know, So you had him down
three to two trap, Yeah, and then one of the
top seventy five players first ballot Hall of famers got hurt, right,
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you know? And you know it we I don't know
shit on the money.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
There was a situation when when Chris Paul and James
Hardened were in Houston, there was a timeout and Chris
was trying I guess Chris was trying to tell him something.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
And James Harden slapped his hand.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
You were in those so what's going through your mind
when you.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
See that happen? What's going on? Let me see, I
got to think back to the play When was that?
Do you know? I wasn't in the playoffs?
Speaker 5 (23:50):
Okay, so probably in a playoff situation, Chris is a
communicator through all things. James isn't much of a communicator.
So I think with Chris being more of a communicator
and James more of a al right, I get it,
you know, let's move on.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
I think.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
In a situation like that, it's just two different of
opinions on how shit should go.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
How is your interactions with Darrylmurray.
Speaker 5 (24:20):
Darryl uh Darryl is, I guess a businessman. You know,
he's not a bad dude, He's just, you know, he
is a businessman and he gonna do what's best for
the business at all times.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Because, if you think about it, he gave James Harden
the max when I'm not so sure a lot of
other teams would have been willing to give a sixth
man the max and gave up, you know, gave up
you know, compensation to get Hi.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
I don't think he got the max when he when
they when they got him, Well, he got the max
for what he could get.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
And so now Darren Marris in Houston, Um, he built
everything around James. James is cooking, wins, the MVP, YadA, YadA, y'ada,
going the All Star, he's all the NBA. He's making
a name for himself. People's like said, he might be
a better scorer than Jordan, he might be a better
score scorer than Kobe. He goes to you know, Philly.
You know, he's like, I want him in Philly, and
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they bring him to Philly. What happened? How did it sour?
And Darryl Murray in Arden?
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Uh, that situation.
Speaker 5 (25:25):
You know, I don't never really speak on other people's
situation like that, so I don't really know.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
But what I do know is get in the max.
He earned that.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
But however many times he got it, he earned that.
And I know for the time that he was the
MVP or scoring all the points he earned the league
and those teams he played for a ship ton of money.
And this is a business, right, So and as far
as like the business aspect, he checked that box off
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when it comes to doing what he needed to do
us as competitors and athletes. The thing that he hasn't
done is winning championship. But every great player don't win
all the time, right, so we gotta kind of not really.
I mean, we can judge him on that, but is
it really really really fair to judge an individual on
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if they gonna win a championship if it's a team sport.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Right, So, my thing to you, as you start to
get older, you realize that you have less time. Should
he have given given money back to Philly?
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Fuck?
Speaker 1 (26:28):
No, it's no such thing as giving money back, right, No,
because they're not when they take it from us, when
they finance, they don't give it back, right So see?
And I think that might be the crooks because you know, hey,
if you take less money, we'll be able to get
this player. But you taking money from all a millionaire,
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but a billionaire, got it?
Speaker 5 (26:51):
Not even that it's not his job to fix or
work through the salary caps. The general manager and that
franchise's job to figure out the best way to work
and construct that team through the through the salary cap.
And if you decide to give a player to Max
it's not his job to give money back. Now, ain't
no money?
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Nah? Fuck. Now, let me ask you this. You've been
a part of culture.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
We hear the term culture or the heat culture, the
Patriot way and this and the bad being a part
of a winning culture and a losing culture.
Speaker 5 (27:23):
What's the biggest difference habits things that people are going
to accept. Your team holding you accountable, your teammates holding
you accountable, that's number one. If your teammates don't hold
you accountable, then you know you don't Really, you're gonna
you're gonna be a bad organization. If you don't have
no vets, you're gonna be a shitty organization.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
So why teams so willing to get rid of vets?
Because I've heard a lot of people, not just basketball,
but in football also the older guy that's trying to
kind of showing the younger guys how and how not
to do things. So why are teams enfranchise are so
willing to move wont from vets and have Oh we
got eight guys that's under the age of twenty.
Speaker 5 (28:05):
Probably because they're cheaper. I mean, it's a business right
at the end of the day, and your bottom line
is what's important. Now, this is just my thought process,
and it might not be you know what it is,
but I would think that's that's the reason.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Whose responsibility is it to create that culture? Is it
the star player? Is it the coach? Is it the
general manager? Is it the franchise? Whose responsibility is that?
Speaker 5 (28:31):
I think the responsibility is the organizations, led through the coach,
through your vets. That's I think the peccing order that
should be in. But I definitely believe that the fact
that there's not a lot of vets in the league
anymore and throughout whatever all sports, I think that kind
of helps bad teams stay bad?
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Right? How disciplined?
Speaker 2 (28:55):
You know?
Speaker 1 (28:55):
You hear that?
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Now?
Speaker 1 (28:56):
I don't believe any successful per I don't believe you
can be successful what I do, in fact, which requires
you to do your very best with no one else's watching.
So how hard is it to be disciplined, whole people
accountable while still having fun?
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (29:12):
Being able to put everything in it in the right place, compartmentalize, Yeah,
you call it. Understand there's a time and a place
for everything. When you when you commit to something that's
first and foremost, you're gonna have fun.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Doing what you're doing. If you love what you're doing,
it's gonna be fun. Playing basketball should be fun because
that's what you wanted to do with your life exactly,
So everything else is extra.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
You played with Kobe, Yeah, one of the most disciplined
mofos rest is soul, one of the most disciplined. The
most important thing was basketball. It was no bs. And
if you would be if you were go help Kobe
within no championship. If he saw you.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Bro it drove him crazy.
Speaker 5 (29:57):
Yeah, he probably wouldn't talk to you if he didn't
feel like he was on the path that he was on.
And you know, I understand that because like minded people
usually connect.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
You know.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
So did you understanding at the time or as you
moved away from it?
Speaker 2 (30:13):
I understand I understood it before the time. You know,
I come from a winning program high school.
Speaker 5 (30:19):
You know, my my friends, the people that I played
high school basketball, we held each other accountable, right and
through holding each other accountable, we all, you know, ended
up going to Division one. So I understood that from
a young age. How was Kobe able to build a
championship locker room?
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Because I'm looking You played with Harden, You played with
Chris Paul, you played with Lebron, you played with Koche,
you played with a lot of guys. Does on that sad?
What's the biggest difference between Kobe and all the guys
that I named, because everybody would know. Okay, what's the
difference between Lebron and Kobe? So let's let's go with
just lebrony Coob. What was the biggest difference between them?
Speaker 5 (31:00):
I think Kobe is more of I don't give a
fuck if you like it, if you like me, this
is how we're doing it. I think Brian kind of
is more conscious of, uh like, what's going on? You know,
He's more of you know, he's he's more like, he's
cooler with more people than Kobe was.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Kobe don't give a fuck if you like him or not.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Koba, he was just that close. Kobe, bloody Kobe come
in like, hey, y'all, we were working today. Y'all y'all,
that's I don't care. So when and everybody tells the
story like they lose a game, and Kobe like, man,
take my shoes up, y'all. Sorry, more folks don't need
to have my stuff phone.
Speaker 5 (31:42):
Yeah, no, that's I didn't I didn't experience that Kobe.
You know, our team wasn't like that team or the
teams that he had where he talked to them that way.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
You know, we had a more betteran ball club because
it was you and Kobe. Andrew Biden was kind of
the young guy fish with Fish was still there.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
When I was.
Speaker 5 (32:01):
I was twenty two at the time, so I was
a younger player, right, But my mentality never was one
of a younger player. I always had to I'm gonna
I have to go get at a mentality. Yeah, how
to I'm I'm on the same thing, y'all. Ang, So
my mentality was a mentality was a bit different.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
So how was it in practice? You you gotta guard
you know, obviously you going against COVID. You know he
gonna bring it, and you know you got to bring
it because he gonna try to embarrass you and you
not trying to be embarrassed.
Speaker 5 (32:30):
No, absolutely not. And I think that's how we start.
That's why our relationship was so what it was, because
I'm not I don't care.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Who you are. I don't giving a fuck about none
of that.
Speaker 5 (32:42):
I'm gonna compete because I'm a competitor and I want
to beat you, just like how you want to beat me.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
And I think he understood that.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
How was it becoming his teammate because you you guys
competed each other for a number of years. He dropped
faulty on you, you rookie, my rookie year.
Speaker 5 (33:00):
And you know what's crazy about Larry Brown had this
thing where every player that whatever city we go to,
he was gonna start you if you're in your home city, okay,
And he started me after probably sitting me like ten games.
So yeah, I wasn't ready for that one, right, Yeah,
but you know he did.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Didn't let you know about it. Who ain't Kobe?
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Nah?
Speaker 5 (33:25):
He never he No, he didn't really On the court,
he was he was fucking destroying me.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Yeah, of course.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
But but I'm saying, once you came to the Lakers,
he like, tre have you remember that forty piece out
of our door?
Speaker 5 (33:35):
He dropped forty on so many people that he probably
didn't remember that.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
His only thing was what are you going to do
to help us win?
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Were you on the Lakers when Kobe demanded the trade?
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Nah, that's before that, before your time.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
How different do you think kobe legacy would have been
had he been traded because I think the thing that's
so fascinating is that he played twenty years with the
same team, right.
Speaker 5 (33:59):
I think it would have been a little bit different,
just because I mean, I don't know where he demanded
a trade too.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Seemed like he wanted to go to Chicago.
Speaker 5 (34:08):
Chicago. Yeah, I don't think it would have been the
same thing. It would have been different. He would have
been in the shadow of Mike, you know. And I
don't think he's a person who deserves a shadow, right,
you know, he's his own shadow.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
How how demanding was Kobe to win a ring without shaking.
Speaker 5 (34:29):
I think he he That's something that he drove him
fucking sleepless nights. I could probably say that he wanted
to prove that, you know, he was who he thought
he was.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Lamar Oldham said that had you played against the Celtics,
y'all would have beat him.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
I would I would like to agree with him with that.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
So when you lose comes, I mean, that was the
series and that you guys had that that big they
had that big league.
Speaker 5 (35:02):
I think it was game game. We was up twenty two, yeah, yeah,
and then they came back.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (35:08):
And I remember the thing that I remember Ray Allen
just getting to the can and just reverse late. Oh
my god, that's that would that took all the momentum
out of uh Staples that the year at the time.
So from that point on, they just that that gave
them the utmost confidence, and you know they took the
series after that.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
But how how is it? How does a young player
gain the respect of the veteran players in the locker room?
Speaker 5 (35:33):
The work ethic, the things that you do every single
day to prepare for your opportunity. Like I broke my
foot earlier in that season, and Kobe would meet me
there at the gym. You know, he wouldn't beat me there.
He would meet me there, you know, going through my thing,
doing my ship. So like seeing that time after time
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after time after time, you know, he understood that my
mission was the same as his mission. You know, I'm
a winner, just like how how he wants to or
how he is. And you know when you see things
or people that are like minded, you gravitate towards those things,
and you know we are like minded people.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
But did he ever say anything vocally verbally about man?
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Look, bro I got to get that championship.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
Man Shack don't get went to Miami and got him,
got him a chip and he done got one without me,
and he up there. You know, he don't write distrack
he talking. I mean, was he ever verbal about that?
Or you can just tell the way he practiced the
way he moved that that was very very important.
Speaker 5 (36:36):
Sometimes he would come in practice just aggravated, you know,
wouldn't say shit to nobody, and you can tell, like
in like his demeanor that those things was ticking him off,
you know, like he wanted it bad, right, he wanted
it real bad. And I'm not sure if it was
a competition between him and Shock. If it was, I
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wouldn't have known, because he never like spoke bad about him,
about Big Fellow at all. But I know that his
drive was always to be the best. He probably you know,
that's why he wore number twenty four because he.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
Wanted to be better than Yeah, you know so because
eight to twenty four really doesn't make any sense, no
sense at all. So yeah, yeah, so you had Phil Jackson.
What was playing for feel.
Speaker 5 (37:23):
Like playing for PJ was dope because it wasn't we
had a system in place, right, so it wasn't really
like he had to come up with like crazy schemes
inside that system. He just had to be able to
manage personalities. And I think that's where he was the
best at managing personalities, getting like huge personalities to how
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do you have to come together?
Speaker 1 (37:47):
You know, Mike was Mike and is easy for Mike
because there's nobody else on that team that No, Scotty
is not thinking he's as good as Mike.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Jordan and Ron Harpin all about that Scotty, Mike.
Speaker 5 (37:59):
Scotty was probably just as That's the and that's the
thing that like media, I feel like, don't like point
out you.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Think Scotty thought he was just as good as Mike.
Not defensively, not defensively eight we know what, we know
what Scott he is.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
But I'm talking score. Yeah, I don't think.
Speaker 5 (38:14):
I don't think he I think he felt like his
impact was just as important.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Wow, Yeah, why wouldn't it be.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
Yeah, I'm not saying that's not but I think, but
when I look at Shaq and Kobe, there are the
there are the point, there's there's the defining point that
Kobe said, I'm just as good as this Mobo bro y'all,
y'all say whatever you want to say, and I understand
what he is, but I'm just as good.
Speaker 5 (38:38):
Nobody is as dominant as Shaq. Yeah, they changed rules
for Shaq. That's just what's what's real.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
But when you look at I mean, how are you
with Kobe? Kobe got to the league. What about ninety six?
Ninety six? He got in ninety six, so you can
a level. So you saw the maturation. You saw the
guy the airball, the ball in Utah, and then you
see like, hold on, are you sure do they team?
Are you sure he might team? And then at twenty
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twenty one, two twenty two, he's got a third championship.
Speaker 5 (39:12):
His body changed, he locked in, come to a completely
different level. Yeah, he's he's after I guess to me,
he's the best player ever.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Wow, yeah he is.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
You got Kobe over Mike.
Speaker 5 (39:27):
That's just my favorite plan, right, But I mean Mike
is in a completely different he's by himself, right, But
if I have to say Kobe is the best player ever.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
When when you when you said you texted him Kobe
leg say you texted Kobe a photo of him shooting
over three people, and Kobe says, means so much? Should
have a thieve to put back if I missed.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Yeah, he meant that.
Speaker 5 (39:57):
He lives, but he was dead as serious, right because again,
and like you said, those teams that he was on,
he probably felt that, you know, they they could get
the putbacks, right, He felt like his shot was the
best shot, even if it's.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
On three or four people.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
I mean, how I mean when you look at when
I look at the NBA now, it's like when Kobe came,
the Jordan shoe was the lig Now it seems to
be the Kobe shoe is the what the Jordan shoe
used to be to the NBA players today?
Speaker 5 (40:29):
Yeah, am I correcting that? I think on the court
for sure? Yeah, yeah, absolutely Kobe. Kobe's shoe is you know,
the shoe to wear. And I believe it's probably that
because I feel like Jordan limit the type of shoes
that he let the players wear. Really, if he let
players wear like the retros and all that, then you
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know it might be a little bit even. But I
mean Kobe's Kobe shoes are more comfortable, yeah, because he.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
Don't really let him wear the like the Jordan he were,
He let him wear the Jordan line. He don't let
them wear that old stuff, the stuff.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
That he actually wore. Fact, that's what he tried to sell.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
The Jordan line hen't really try to the rector to Nike.
They they gonna do. They gonna do that, They're gonna
sell regardless. I need y'all get some of these, the
Jason Tatum and this other stuff.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
Exactly.
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play with bron Ad Russ Mellow, Austin Reeves, Dwhite.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
I mean, what was that second stint with the Lakers? Like?
And how different was it from the first step.
Speaker 5 (42:37):
The first time I was there, I was, you know,
really young. I was twenty two, right, twenty three, and
I was I had something to prove, right like coming
in at my eighteenth season, you know, I've done all
the proven that I can prove, and my role was
completely different at that time. So you know, it's it's
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two different situations. The organization has always been great, always
was great to me, but you know, the roles or
you know, what I was asked to do was completely
different at the two different times.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
Why didn't it work?
Speaker 1 (43:17):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (43:19):
You got all players that are like you know that
super vest, right, you know, super super vest and.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
You're asking players to do things that are at the
right aide that they didn't do in their younger age.
Speaker 5 (43:30):
You know, you can't ask Melo to go dive on
the floor for a look or a lose moll or
or you know, chase Anthony Edwards around for forty minutes, right,
you know, he just not You're not going to get
that out of him, you know what I mean. So
you're not going to ask the White to come off
the bench and only play fifteen minutes when in his
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mind he feels like he can contribute more. That's that's
that's just a tough thing to do. You're not getting
bron off the court. That's never gonna happen. Right, So
when you have things like that and all those elements
in that forum, it's hard to win.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
Hard to win. Russ. Russ's dream was to come back
and play for the purple and goal ok se Houston Washington.
That was great. The triple doubles, the first got to
average the triple double since Oscar he woned the MVP
and OKC. They had an okay, they had a decent
season in Houston. You know, ended up going to the bubble.
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You know, it happened. He goes to Washington average two
more triple doubles. He'd killer he comes to La so
much fanfare. You got Braun, you got a D and Russ?
Why didn't work with those guys? And the criticism was
it unfair? The amount of criticism that Russ received.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
Absolutely, Russ.
Speaker 5 (44:51):
Every single night, he put his hard hat on and
he does everything that you ask of him. Every single
time they were asking him to go playing the uncor spot,
he was doing that ship So but.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
That's not that's not that's not his game. Right.
Speaker 5 (45:06):
So, like I said, when you put anybody in a
situation where you have Bron on the team, he's not
coming off the rock, right. So Russ is the point guard, right,
he plays, he needs.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
The ball, So why did it? So why make that
move when you know Bron needs the ball? Russ knows
that he needs the ball, So there's only one. Yeah,
this ain't pool with a bunch of balls on the table.
Basketball you got what's see?
Speaker 5 (45:36):
That's that's I'm glad I don't have that issue and
I don't got to worry about that. I don't constructing
the team or putting the team together. I never had
that problem.
Speaker 1 (45:44):
If you're a general manager, would you like, would you
have put this team together? Uh?
Speaker 2 (45:48):
It depends on why. If it's to sell tickets. Yeah, yeah, no,
you got to win ticket. You're the Laker.
Speaker 1 (45:54):
You had to win a championship. You know what you
played for the purperly goal. You know what it's about.
And you know how those fans are, right, and the
fans don't care. The one things being in LA what
I've noticed, the fans don't give a damn what you
did at another organization. What you're gonna do for us? Yeah,
you want MVP over there, fine, you want championship over there? Fine?
Now what you're gonna do for the Purple got their
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RUSS average when he was there? I think what eighteen
seven and seven?
Speaker 2 (46:21):
What's wrong with that?
Speaker 5 (46:23):
That's that's that's all star numbers anywhere else, Right, that's
not that people are people are getting the max off that, right,
So you can hit that critic.
Speaker 1 (46:33):
That's not that's not what they expect. You know what
expectations are.
Speaker 5 (46:37):
Yeah, you can't expect Brin the average twenty seven seven
and seven and RUSS average a triple double, triple double,
a average twenty six twelve. That's the Mellow average eighteen
seven and whatever. That's unrealistic. That's like playing in the
video game, right.
Speaker 2 (46:56):
So somebody should have like been willing to like alter.
Speaker 5 (47:00):
He and he was, and he did he and he
got all the criticism for it. You know, his game
hasn't changed throughout his career.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
Lil Wayne recently said, and h, in order the Lakers
need to trade Anthony David, they win a championship. And
I guess AD must have heard it, got the braids out,
got the thro going, and he been like, boke up.
Speaker 2 (47:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (47:25):
I mean, sometimes it takes for somebody like that or
people that you admire to like get in your shit
for you to understand that. You know, you got to
be as hungry as you need to be to for
it to work. Ad is a special, special, special player,
and sometimes he don't always show that he's special. Uh,
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but this year he's been he been doing what he's
supposed to do so far.
Speaker 1 (47:52):
I agree with you because sometimes I don't think Ad
realized just how special he is, because I remember what
he did to your's in the bubble. I remember what
he I've seen him go get fifty points against Joel Embiid.
I'm getting forty points to get Yiannis and then the
next night he come give me a leven and see
Ad got upset. When Laker fans and a lot of
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analysts criticize it, they say, AD, how you give somebody
one rebound in the first half and no points in
the second half, and thank you? Supposed to escape criticism
under what planet? Under what scenario our player? It ain't
even the top seventy damn Now, if I think about it,
ain d was top seventy five, right, and you give
us one rebound in the first half and zero points
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in the second half, and you're supposed to say, oh, man,
that's all right.
Speaker 2 (48:38):
Man, it's not good enough.
Speaker 5 (48:41):
Unacceptable period, There's no questions about that. It's unacceptable. On
no planet should AD ever have one rebound and then
no points.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
It's just unacceptable.
Speaker 1 (48:53):
Lebron James is the oldest current oldest player in the NBA.
Speaker 5 (48:59):
I mean what I mean, trail you played? I mean
one B Kobe one day, one B.
Speaker 1 (49:10):
How How was he able to play at this level
for such a law. We've seen guys have peaks, but
they peak, and this dude, the dude got here and
staying there. I mean, he's like a plane. He got
to a comfortable cruising altitude and stayed there.
Speaker 5 (49:27):
Fact, he's like I mean, I used to have this
joke with my friends that he was like he was
created in the lab.
Speaker 2 (49:34):
He not even He's not a real person. So that's how.
Speaker 1 (49:40):
I mean when you're like, obviously you guarded him a
number of years. Yeah, what was your mindset? What are
you trying to? What are you trying to do? How
uncomfortable you trying to? What are you trying to take away?
Speaker 5 (49:53):
It's just him getting in the paint, him getting down here,
because if he's in the paint, he's disrupting everything because
he could finish at the red finish kick.
Speaker 2 (50:02):
He could pass.
Speaker 5 (50:04):
He's strong as a motherfucker, so he has all the tools.
Speaker 2 (50:08):
You know.
Speaker 5 (50:08):
The only thing that you can possibly say is that
his jumper is streaky and you want to keep him
out the paint.
Speaker 1 (50:18):
When you played against him in high school, in your
wildest imagination, even though they had had him on Sports
Illustrated and Chosen, what did you think he'd be this good?
Speaker 2 (50:31):
I didn't.
Speaker 5 (50:32):
I thought he would be this good. I just didn't
know how fast that was gonna happen. You could you
just see it, like some players are just completely different.
Like he's built like you, and he runs and he
get up and down the court, like like TJ.
Speaker 1 (50:47):
Ford.
Speaker 2 (50:47):
Did you know TJ Ford is a small quick guard,
So like you just see it.
Speaker 1 (50:55):
What's the what's the forget on the court, because I
think in order for the game is what you do
off the court. So from a practice standpoint, from a
training standpoint, what are some of the similarities of some
of the difference that you noticed that Kobe did and
Bron did.
Speaker 5 (51:12):
It's the work for sure, Like the amount of work
that they put in is the same. Bron will be
doing work that you don't even know, like at home
or like off site, and then he'll still be at
the gym before everybody on the court. Then he'll be
in the training room getting his body right. Then he'll
(51:34):
be getting jumpers up after the game, then he'll i
mean after practice, then he'll be back in the training
room or in the right room stretching. So you know,
the amount of work that he puts into the game
is you know, pretty much similar. The person is just different.
The different what's the biggest difference is Bron is more
Bron is like more personable.
Speaker 1 (51:54):
Yeah, he's definitely more of a Kobe.
Speaker 2 (52:00):
Yeah, he's like.
Speaker 1 (52:02):
He's what age do you think Lebron's gonna retire because Harry,
he's six weeks away from being thirty nine years of
age and he's still playing at an unbelievable level.
Speaker 2 (52:12):
We saw him the other.
Speaker 1 (52:13):
Night, Go get thirty eight twelve and what six seven
against Phoenix. If we've seen him have these monster games
and he can still go off at any moment, at
what age do you think that it starts to noticeably dissipate.
I don't think he's still it. I don't think he's
as athletic. I think he could do some of the things,
just not for as long a time appeared as he
(52:35):
can do it. But what age do you think, like
forty one, forty two?
Speaker 5 (52:39):
I think he could do it for as long as
he wanted to do it, And the way he takes
care of his body and the mentality that he has,
he probably could play till he's probably forty five if
you want to.
Speaker 1 (52:50):
Yeah, real well, if he played forty five, the record
that gonna never be broken.
Speaker 2 (52:54):
It won't.
Speaker 5 (52:55):
I don't think. I don't think the things that he's
done is nobody gonna catch that. I don't think nobody's
gonna catch the points that he's gonna score. Wow, how
long did it take for him to break? How long
did Kareem record? Like Kareem had the record almost forty years.
Kareem broke the record in Vegas because back then, you know,
they played, I mean, they were trying to grow the league.
Speaker 2 (53:15):
And so he broke it against.
Speaker 1 (53:17):
Utah if I'm not mistaken at Thomas and Mack in
eighty four. Lebron broke it in what March of March,
March or April of twenty three, So almost forty years.
Speaker 5 (53:30):
And then it's still going. Yeah, he's still playing and
he's still scoring a gang of price and nobody gonna
catch that.
Speaker 1 (53:39):
You played. And the funny thing is, not only did
you know you guys were, you know, played against each
other in the NBA, but you played against each other
in high school. And your uncle said that Lebron was overrated,
and I guess somebody told it. I don't know about that.
He just gave you fifty two for no reason. I
don't know about that. I mean, he's a fucking good player, Tram.
You can't let him get a fifty piece on you.
Speaker 2 (54:01):
I mean I didn't let him.
Speaker 1 (54:04):
I won't let anybody do that.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
That's what he did.
Speaker 5 (54:08):
You know he was that special, So you know you
can't take nothing away from what he did.
Speaker 1 (54:12):
So before you I mean, obviously it's that there's I mean,
there's starting to be social media, but it's not like.
Speaker 2 (54:18):
It is now.
Speaker 1 (54:18):
You heard about it, right.
Speaker 2 (54:20):
And what are you thinking?
Speaker 1 (54:22):
You know, it can't be that good the way y'all
talk about old boy. He could be in the NBA
right now in fifteen sixty. He can't be that good.
And then you see him, and you see him as
a fifteen sixteen year old, You're like, hold on, man,
let me see his birth certificate, because ain't no way
if somebody being like that at fifteen sixteen.
Speaker 5 (54:38):
Nah, you just again that when you playing against elite talent,
you see elite things. He just was the most special
out of special players. He was like the best X men.
Speaker 2 (54:51):
For real.
Speaker 1 (54:53):
So yeah, Kevin Durant, he said, at some point, y'all
non athletes is going to realize that friends can eat
harder against one another.
Speaker 2 (55:02):
And Lebron agreed. Do you agree one hundred percent?
Speaker 5 (55:06):
Because like it's just like having a brother, You're gonna
try to beat your brother at everything.
Speaker 1 (55:11):
Because I don't never want to you have right run,
You're never gonna say that you did this to me.
Speaker 5 (55:16):
So, yeah, you're gonna compete harder against your friends than
you're gonna compete.
Speaker 1 (55:20):
But why why do the older guys seem to forget that?
Every time Magic at Isaiah used to play each other,
they would you give each other kids on the cheek,
but Magic took his ass out the air. Jordan and
Barkley were very cool, but they make it seem like
they was fighting, you know, everything with bad boy Pistons
and the Celtics or bad boy pistols in the bull
(55:41):
they try to they seem to forget that. You know,
we had TVs, we saw it.
Speaker 5 (55:45):
Yeah, I think it's just then they they I feel
like now they help each other up more. They are
bigging each other up more, which is not really a
bad thing, but like, in terms of competing, you kind
of don't want to let you know your right hand
know which, yeah, what the left hand is doing?
Speaker 1 (56:05):
How has aau shaped that? Because you played against Lebron
you know it. These guys now they've been playing against
each other since they're ten. So how do I develop
a ridal? How do I develop a dislike or hatred
versus the NBA. Those old guys, they ain't each other
with no you went traveling around like this. You saw
each other at the McDonald's All American Game. That was
probably the only time that you really saw each other.
(56:27):
And so you went to one college. I mean, if
you went to Douke North Carolina, obviously you developed or
I don't know who you're right?
Speaker 2 (56:34):
What USC?
Speaker 1 (56:35):
Yeah, okay, we get fat. But these kids now a
lot of them play on the same high school team
or the same AAU team.
Speaker 2 (56:43):
So how do I develop?
Speaker 1 (56:45):
How does Zion and Ja Morant who played on the
same AAU team develop a rival against each other?
Speaker 5 (56:51):
Try to kick each other's eyes every time they step
on the court. That's it it, don't it don't I
mean it don't stop. Like you don't have to not
be cool with them, right, you know when you're in
between those lines, you know you I'm going to fucking
eat all your food.
Speaker 2 (57:07):
So what are your thoughts on super teams? Uh? What's
the super team?
Speaker 1 (57:12):
Uh? I mean there've always been super teams, but I
mean the old guys seemed to forget that. What was
the Celtics, the Big Three Celtics with Bird Parish and McHale.
They also had Dennis Johnson who's in the Hall of Fame,
right the Lakers, So what was uh Kareem Magic and
Worthy killers? Was that not a super team? But see
(57:34):
I see a draft though. That's the thing. Everybody ain't
uh uh Jared West mm hmm. Everybody ain't bar Myers.
Everybody wasn't coach all back to be able to put
a team together.
Speaker 2 (57:48):
Yeah, I hear that.
Speaker 5 (57:49):
I think like the difference now is players want to
play with each other, yes, more so than playing played
against each other, right, And that's probably they ain't not
older players like if you're not on the same team early,
I want to compete against you because you're my rival,
and that I like the competition. You know, it's just
(58:12):
like playing cards or dominoes, right, Like I'm gonna try
to kick your ass on the domino table.
Speaker 2 (58:17):
You're steal my dog, still my boy, Well, I'm still
gonna go at you.
Speaker 5 (58:20):
And I think that's the difference in today's game than
the errors before.
Speaker 1 (58:25):
What do you think about for me? And I called
some criticism, but I'm not afraid to say it. I
believe even in football, the players are more skilled they're
more athletic, and today it's called the evolution. Players get bigger, faster, stronger,
they jump higher, they shoot better.
Speaker 5 (58:43):
Yeah, they do from deeper from you know, they shoot
from half court. Now you see Dame come across half
if you not at half court with him, Yeah, guys
wasn't doing that. The game was completely different. So I
think that's older players have to let that go.
Speaker 1 (59:00):
But see, I think the old older player think playing
football where they're not as tough, I mean.
Speaker 5 (59:05):
A different Yes, ye like being tough is I guess
in your era of football, getting a concussion, getting your
ass back out there on the next snap, putting the
band aid over the helmet. So yes, that that was
that was the physicality of it, right, But that but
that I mean, I guess, I mean, would you consider
(59:26):
being tough for skill? Nowadays it's a mentality that you
got to have and it's it's a little bit you
got to look at it different. Now they're tough is
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Speaker 2 (01:25):
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Speaker 1 (01:58):
Hello, welcome to another distion the Club Shasha. I am
your host Sehannon Sharp. I'm also the ro priud of
Club Shasha and the guy that'stopping buy for conversation and
a drink. A drink today is an eighteen time is
an eighteen year NBA VET. He's a champion of the
two thousand and nine Lakers. He's top thirty all time
in steals. One of the original three and D guys.
A UCLA alum, a part of the two thousand and
four Pac ten All Freshman Team. Two thousand and three
(02:21):
mister California basketball, California high school state champion. He's LA
through and through, Trevor Reason Tram. What's up, Bro, Thanks
for joinings.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
Appreciate it. Thanks man, Man, Man, I've been chilling, Man, chilling.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
So a guy that plays eighteen years in the NBA,
obviously you used to having a schedule, and if I'm
not mistaking, this probably your first year out. So what
does an eighteen year veteran do now to fill the
time that he normally would be doing playing basketball?
Speaker 5 (02:47):
Man, that's crazy because as I was getting closer and
closer and closer to the end of my career, That's
what my friends that have retired, you know, years prior
to me, was telling me, like, you get a lot
of free time. So I had kind a guide to
learn how to, you know, manage my time, so spending
more time.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
With my children.
Speaker 5 (03:06):
I was able to do that, and I have a
couple of other projects that I was able to invest
my time into, so, you know, going back and forth
to the Islands and putting. The majority of my time
in with my three children has been where most of
my time is going to Do you miss it?
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Do I miss it? Not?
Speaker 5 (03:28):
Really, I don't really miss it because you know, every
day I'm with my son and he's in the gym
a lot, So I don't have the like, I'm not
like starving to go back out there on the court
and go play.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Because like, as you started to get older, your body
kind of started to break down.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
You started to get injured.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
And when you start to get injured, it's hard to
sum it up because you spend more time rehabbing than
you do training. And what you want to do is
that you know the time is nearing the end. You
just want to play basketball, and you're not playing, you're
in the training room where you're getting surgeries.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Are you're doing all of this? Did that start to
wear on you mentally? Mentally?
Speaker 5 (04:08):
Yeah, I think I had a bone spur in my
in my right foot and just trying to get back
into the groove. Being like the age that I was at,
it wasn't comfortable. It was it was agony, it was
it wasn't fun.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
No more so.
Speaker 5 (04:23):
My mind is telling me I can do certain things,
but my body isn't allowing me to do the respond.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
That's that's when I knew.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
It was like, all right, you know it's time to
go sit down, save some legs for for yeah, for
your JITs.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
You mentioned you had a son, and he's far and
I see where he's following in your footsteps.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Has offers from U. C. L. A USC Washington.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
How tall is he and how good is he?
Speaker 5 (04:52):
He's six eight right now, wow, so we round the
same height? And how good he is?
Speaker 2 (04:57):
He has.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
Unbelievable talent. He's ultra ultra ultra talented. He bouncey, He's
pretty bouncey. He's getting more athletic as he gets, as
he gets in the weight room a little bit more.
He's still young, really young. He's still only fifteen years old.
So you know he's he's learning how to work on
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his game. He's learning how to love or fall in
love with the process of the things that you might
not like.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
To do when you know you're pursuing a dream.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
When when you were playing, how locked in was he
to what you were doing? And he's like, did you
think that, like, you know what you might want to
follow what dad does or do you was like, Okay,
I'm gonna let him choose whatever he wants to do.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
I'm just gonna support it either way. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
No, that's never been my thing to push anybody to
do anything. They kind of got to want to do
it for themselves, because to play or to do something
at an extremely high level, can't nobody do that for you.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
You gotta want to do that on your own, right.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
So I kind of just allow him to, you know,
play with it a little bit until he came to
me and was like, Yo, Dad, this is serious. You know,
I really really really want to do this. And then
you know, with the experience that I have, I was
able to kind of show him some of the steps
that he needs to take and how hard it actually
was going to be, the sacrifices that you was going
(06:16):
to have to give up to achieve the things that
you want.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
So you and I were talking early off camera and
you said, like, where Sofi was. That's where you used
to play football. So obviously you play football, you played basketball.
Has he done anything other than play basketball?
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (06:32):
Yeah, he played football at the same part. Okay, wow, yeah,
he played baseball.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
He's he's a really good athlete, smart, kid, he doesn't.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
He could do a little bit of everything.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
So you one of these days that believe that a
child should do multiple things instead of just specializing in
one thing. Because we see a lot of kids all
they do is play football, All they do is play basketball,
all they do is play baseball. You believe it playing
multiple sports make the kid more well rounded.
Speaker 5 (06:57):
Yeah, it definitely does. I was a that played multiple sports.
My favorite sport coming up was football. You know, I
just love the contact. Okay, I like to hear it.
I like to score touchdowns and all that stuff. But
I ended up outgrowing it. I got too tall, I thought.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
And my frame you didn't get you. My frame didn't
allow for me to continue down that path.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
So, you know, more sports was good.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
You said, he's fifteen six eight, about your same hight.
A game of one on one we played to a level.
Who win it?
Speaker 2 (07:30):
I'm gonna kick his eye.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
You can't let it beat your trail? No, hell no,
that's out. So at fifteen, let's go back. You at fifteen,
your son at fifteen, who's better at this age?
Speaker 2 (07:44):
He has more skill for sure?
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Right because he.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Had someone teaching him as opposed to you.
Speaker 5 (07:49):
I just I just think as time goes on, you
got loose. Yeah, right, And when I was coming up,
you know, the game or the skill was completely different.
You have to actually be a dog, and I feel
like that's where I'm gonna kick his ass on. I'm
an dogg.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
So because you are three and D guy, you a
guy that can shoot the three, but you're money known
for your defensive prowess. So how what are you trying
to instill your son Because a lot of these kids
I see now they focusing on the offensive end because
that's where you get the glory, that's where you get
the limelight. Right, So are you trying to like, look,
so you got to play both ends of the court,
you just can't. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
Well, he's he's a competitor on his own. You know,
he don't really like to lose. So anytime he has
a challenge or if he is playing against another one
of the top players, he takes that challenge on his own.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Right.
Speaker 5 (08:43):
It's not even something that you know, I got to
instill in him. He has that on his own. That's natural,
that comes natural to him.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
You said, your son is you know, we talked about evolution.
What's the biggest difference that you see with kids in
the game of basketball today as when you were that
same mage in the game of basketball.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
Again there is so the area is more social, you know,
it's it's social, but it's not social, right, And what
I mean by that is Internet social instead of like
personal social.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Yes, so like people taking it and not actually talking right.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
So you missed that kind of you know connection connection
going outside and playing with the hommies all day, riding
your bike to the park or riding your bike to
you know, whatever school that's close to get to the gym.
They're not really getting that. You know, we're driving them everywhere.
They in the gym, they got trainers, you know they're doing.
It's more like a business than it was just you know,
(09:43):
for the love.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
And that's the biggest difference.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
I'm looking looking at you and your son played against
Lebron's son Bronnie Gilbert Areena son master p son. You
were an ex professional athlete, what what how do you
how do you tell your son how to approach it
when he's playing against other celebrity kid.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
I don't think it's a difference, man. You treat everybody
the same. You treat people with respect, but you still
got to try to go break their fucking neck on
the court. I mean, it's that's what it is. It's
competition and you want to impose your will on the
next player. Like you may be cool, y'all might be
like friendly or friends or whatever the case may be,
but on the court, it's no friends.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Right.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
How how strange is it to see your son playing
against Lebron James Jr.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Consider you've played against Lebron jameson Uh, It's it's crazy.
It's really full circle, you know.
Speaker 5 (10:40):
And that's the beauty about sports, and like you know,
having offspring, you get to uh actually watch them. It's
almost like playing the video game. So the things that
you may have done then you can kind of like
you know, say hey, yo, look do it. Try to
do it this way or think about it like this,
so you get a second chance at RELI even moments
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in this type of space right here.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
So what type of parent are you? Are you kind
of like you know, I think now in the social
media area, we get Era, we get LeVar Ball or
although there was no social media or you more like
Dale Curry because they'll just sit back, fold his arm,
watch stem watch his son do what they do. Barr
(11:24):
will tell you, mellow like this, Yello like this, zol
like this. All my boys like this. They go to
one team, guaranteed championship, multiple type. What type of What
type of dad is Trevor Rezon?
Speaker 5 (11:37):
The type of dad that I am is the only
person that is responsible for the success is him, right.
I don't have to go out and brag to a
whole bunch of motherfuckers.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
I'm not on that.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
So, like everything that I try to do is I
try to instill in my son what he has to do.
So it's not going to be like, you know, I'm
not gonna project lot like what I see in him
right on, people, He's gonna have to do that on
his own with his game. You know, I'm just gonna
feed it to him. That's that's the type of parent
I am.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Why did you think at fifteen years of age he
needed the Nio deal?
Speaker 5 (12:14):
That's that's kind of how can I say this? He's young,
He's really young, and.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
To me it's a bit early.
Speaker 5 (12:33):
But in this day and age, you know, you never
really you never really could like say what's too early
and what's not early? The good thing for him is,
you know, he gets an opportunity to see what it is,
see what he likes, see what he don't like, and
he's so young that he can still make decisions to
do whatever he wants to do.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
How receptive is he too, you're coaching because a lot
of time you still is dead. Yeah you're the next
basketball player, but you was dead. And it seems sometimes.
I know, when I had my son, he seemed to
be a little bit more receptive to somebody else telling
him what he needed to do as opposed to me,
because he could not see. All he saw was his
dad was trying to tell him something. And if somebody
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else told him the same thing, like okay, I get
it now.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
No, that's the same thing. That's universal, man. I don't
think that changes for anybody. But the one thing that
I do notice is that when he sees like what
I do tell him, he comes back to me.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
I was like, all right, dadd you was right.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
He was right about that dad, And I just looked
at him and I kind of laughed laughed at him.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
I'm looking at California basketball, California because I had I
had hold my hat on demarg de rozen and I said, well,
who you got California basketball.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
A New York basketball.
Speaker 5 (13:51):
Who I got? Yeah, I'm homegrown, bro. I'm always gonna
be loyal to the soil.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
I don't know I'm looking at. I'm looking at Okay, Kareem,
they got. I mean New York got Kareem, Michael, Jordan, Mello,
Ron Artest, doctor j Stefi, Marlbury, lamar Odam. You guys
got Bill Walton, Reggie Miller, Jason Kidd, Ray Allen, Gary Payton,
Paul Pierce, Kawhi, Kalay Dames, James Harden.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
I mean, as far as.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Volume, y'all got him killers but bad. I think Kareem,
Kareem and Jordan alone gonna take out like fourteen of
you guys. So now it comes down to what y'all
gonna do with Mellow and doctor j Man.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Meloe was tough.
Speaker 5 (14:31):
Melon probably like up there in like the three, the
top three in New York here, but you know, like
on a whole, I think we just got way more
killers than them.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Yeah, let's talk about the Clippers situation. Recently they acquired
James Harden. So now you pair of James Harden with Russ,
who's playing who? Russ was playing extremely well and he's
been playing well since he got to the Clippers. Last year,
you got Kawhi, you got PG. Do you think they
needed James Harden? And what's going on? Why hasn't it
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been able to mesh so far?
Speaker 5 (15:07):
So in basketball or in team sports, as you know,
chemistry is the biggest thing that you have to overcome, right,
James didn't go through training camp with them, so he
didn't get a chance to, like to even get acclimated
to what they're doing. It's going to take a while
for them to figure out what they're doing period. You know,
they've been going through injuries throughout their seasons with having
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PG and Kawhi already. So hopefully this year, somewhere twenty games,
they'll get a chance to mess together and.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Figure it out. Does someone need to come up the bench?
Can all four of those guys start? Nah?
Speaker 5 (15:48):
They can't really, I mean that's just the reality of shit.
It's not an All Star game, you know. So what
they got to figure out is how who and what?
Who's going to have the ball right, who's going to
play a role?
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Right?
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Who's going to sacrifice? And you know, well, how hard
is it? Because James hard has been an MVP. Russell
Westbrook has been an MVP. Kawhi Leonard is a two
time Finals MVP. Paul George has been an All NBA player.
So you try to bring all these personalities together, and
like you said, Russe and James need the ball. Now,
who's going to have the ball late in the ball game?
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Good thing? I don't have to worry about that.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
That's but that's the question that they have to figure
out as a team, like the for ten games, do
I have the ball? Or does James have the ball?
For ten games? To Russ have the ball? Does why
have the ball? This PG have the ball? Like how
do you figure that out?
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Right?
Speaker 5 (16:41):
That's that's kind of like I guess as a team,
who's going to impose their will, who's going to be
the dominant player to be Like, nah, let me see
because I'm going to willis to this.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
But that don't seem like why is personality? Now I
could be wrong, you've played against him, but when I
look at him from a distance, he doesn't seem like
a guy that's gonna call a team meet and say, hey,
this is what needs to effing happen. He doesn't seem
the guy that's gonna bring bring the huddle together and says, God, look,
we're gonna run this right here. You're gonna get me
the ball right there, and I'm gonna go make it.
He doesn't strike me, and I could be wrong. Like
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I said, I'm just looking at it from a distance.
He doesn't strike me as that. That seemed more like
a Russ to say, Okay, this is what we're gonna
do as opposed to anyone else. What do you know him?
You played against him for decade?
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Who is like that? Let me see.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
I would have to say Russ probably is more of
like an alpha when I look at that group. But again,
that might not necessarily be true. Knowing Kawhi, I know
he's a He is a dog like in every aspect
of the word. So they gotta figure that shit.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
I'm just happy happy you not on the team having
to try to figure it out along with him.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
So when you heard Harden says, I'm not a system player,
I'm the system.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
I'm a system.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Considering that you're not going to be the James Harden
that was in Houston because you got three other All
Stars with you and you're not. I don't believe he's
that same player, because I think some of his athleticism
has Wayne and like you said, he didn't get a
training camp, so he's not in the peak condition to
be able to get by people kawhi in Finnish, let
you kawhim finish, stand around and let you be the system.
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PG ain't gonna stand around and let you be the system.
So how does James change his way of thinking in
order to make this thing work?
Speaker 5 (18:35):
Well, I think that's up to them, to them players.
If he's coming in with that mentality yourself, for them
to change it. Like if I'm going into a situation
and I've been the guy like my whole career and
my whole time, the only way I'm changing it is
somebody make.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Me change it.
Speaker 5 (18:52):
And if that's, you know, the stance he's gonna take,
it's up for that team to figure out how they're
gonna get him to come into whatever they're doing to
switch that up.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
If not, they gonna have a problem.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
You know what, you're the perfect person that I got
you here. You played with James hard to Houston. What's
he like in the locker room? Because we hear these
stories staying over late in a city, going to Vegas
and off days.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
What's James Harden like James?
Speaker 5 (19:22):
What I guess what people don't know is James will
work his ass off, Like after practice, he's running sprints.
Before practice, he's shooting, he's getting his treatment, he's lifting
weights after games. What he doing his personal life and
his personal business, that's that's up to him.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Like nobody should give a fuck about that.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
You cool with that? So you cool if he like
op times in the Vegas or you know, because you
know you seem like I mean from the video. Now
you like I said that social media get you in trouble.
But because they put everything on social media, he and
the club he popping bottles, He got them honeys around him.
Is that conducive for winning a championship? Because at the
end of the day, for him, that's the only thing
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that's left to prove improven.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
He one of the best players.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
He's the top seventy five player where you want to
rank him as far as two guards. Obviously the two
top spives belong to Jordani Kobd. So if you want
to say he's better than the way, a lot of
people are gonna fight you on that. And said way
is the third best because Wade got championships and YadA, YadA, YadA,
So but he the top. Whatever you want to say,
The only thing left is a championship? Can you win?
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Should he?
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Like?
Speaker 1 (20:26):
You know what, guys, I done got this party and
I'm gonna be able to get that party in again.
Let me go and get this championship. Let me focus
on this. I'm gonna give up the Script club. I mean,
I know that hard, but you know I'm gonna give
up some of them. Like you said, you told your
son he's got a sacrifice.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
What's it worth to you? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (20:44):
Some people, I guess, some vices work for people, you know,
and trying to change a player's game and a ninth
inning that's not gonna help nobody right right. So you know,
however he decides to live his life went if it
comes a time where he feels like he wants to
make a change, that's on him. And like everybody's going
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to have an opinion. So the idea for us as athletes,
Fuck everybody else's opinion on what I got to do.
As long as I'm doing what I need to do
and helping myself or helping my team doing the things
that I've been doing. I can't really listen to what
anybody else have to say. The peanut gallery is always
going to be that.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
How difficult is it for a player to change his
off court behavior when he's had success doing it that way?
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Basically is in our.
Speaker 5 (21:35):
Career, it's gonna be tough as hard as you got
to get humbled in a way, you know, And a
lot of the times when people stumble across things that
humble them, they start to look for ways to change
and to fix things.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
What I mean. He goes to Houston.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
He had individual success and he had some great players.
He had Chris Paul, he had Dawhight, Howard had Okay.
It didn't work there. Well, I want out whatever reason,
I don't know the reason, but he wanted out. He
goes to Brooklyn, he has kd he has Kyrie. It
doesn't work for whatever reason. I don't know the reasons.
He goes to Philly. He has arguably this, I think
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Yo Kich is the best player in basketball, let alone big.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
I think he's the best player.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
He probably he Jokish is one of the best. But
I feel like right now, Anthony Edwards is the best
player right now, yeah, Anthony team.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Anthony Edwards is a fucking dog. He had been played
on the Timberwood.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
I felt like he's the best player in the league
right now. He's my favorite player in the league right now.
How about that?
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Why? Why did it?
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Why did it work?
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Get those places for James? Think about what Kd's a
tops as an all seventy five player. Chris Paul is
All seventy five player. I think I believe for me personally,
I think the White Howich have been on the seventy
fifth adversary team. Why didn't it work?
Speaker 5 (22:56):
I mean, it don't work for everybody all the time.
A lot of people don't win. And the team that
we had in Houston was a really good fucking team.
We just ran into the best team of the decade
at the time. You know, So you had him down
three to two trap, Yeah, and then one of the
top seventy five players first ballot Hall of famers got hurt, right,
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you know? And you know it we I don't know
shit on the money.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
There was a situation when when Chris Paul and James
Hardened were in Houston, there was a timeout and Chris
was trying I guess Chris was trying to tell him something.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
And James Harden slapped his hand.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
You were in those so what's going through your mind
when you.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
See that happen? What's going on? Let me see, I
got to think back to the play When was that?
Do you know? I wasn't in the playoffs?
Speaker 5 (23:50):
Okay, so probably in a playoff situation, Chris is a
communicator through all things. James isn't much of a communicator.
So I think with Chris being more of a communicator
and James more of a al right, I get it,
you know, let's move on.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
I think.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
In a situation like that, it's just two different of
opinions on how shit should go.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
How is your interactions with Darrylmurray.
Speaker 5 (24:20):
Darryl uh Darryl is, I guess a businessman. You know,
he's not a bad dude, He's just, you know, he
is a businessman and he gonna do what's best for
the business at all times.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Because, if you think about it, he gave James Harden
the max when I'm not so sure a lot of
other teams would have been willing to give a sixth
man the max and gave up, you know, gave up
you know, compensation to get Hi.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
I don't think he got the max when he when
they when they got him, Well, he got the max
for what he could get.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
And so now Darren Marris in Houston, Um, he built
everything around James. James is cooking, wins, the MVP, YadA, YadA, y'ada,
going the All Star, he's all the NBA. He's making
a name for himself. People's like said, he might be
a better scorer than Jordan, he might be a better
score scorer than Kobe. He goes to you know, Philly.
You know, he's like, I want him in Philly, and
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they bring him to Philly. What happened? How did it sour?
And Darryl Murray in Arden?
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Uh, that situation.
Speaker 5 (25:25):
You know, I don't never really speak on other people's
situation like that, so I don't really know.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
But what I do know is get in the max.
He earned that.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
But however many times he got it, he earned that.
And I know for the time that he was the
MVP or scoring all the points he earned the league
and those teams he played for a ship ton of money.
And this is a business, right, So and as far
as like the business aspect, he checked that box off
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when it comes to doing what he needed to do
us as competitors and athletes. The thing that he hasn't
done is winning championship. But every great player don't win
all the time, right, so we gotta kind of not really.
I mean, we can judge him on that, but is
it really really really fair to judge an individual on
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if they gonna win a championship if it's a team sport.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Right, So, my thing to you, as you start to
get older, you realize that you have less time. Should
he have given given money back to Philly?
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Fuck?
Speaker 1 (26:28):
No, it's no such thing as giving money back, right, No,
because they're not when they take it from us, when
they finance, they don't give it back, right So see?
And I think that might be the crooks because you know, hey,
if you take less money, we'll be able to get
this player. But you taking money from all a millionaire,
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but a billionaire, got it?
Speaker 5 (26:51):
Not even that it's not his job to fix or
work through the salary caps. The general manager and that
franchise's job to figure out the best way to work
and construct that team through the through the salary cap.
And if you decide to give a player to Max
it's not his job to give money back. Now, ain't
no money?
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Nah? Fuck. Now, let me ask you this. You've been
a part of culture.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
We hear the term culture or the heat culture, the
Patriot way and this and the bad being a part
of a winning culture and a losing culture.
Speaker 5 (27:23):
What's the biggest difference habits things that people are going
to accept. Your team holding you accountable, your teammates holding
you accountable, that's number one. If your teammates don't hold
you accountable, then you know you don't Really, you're gonna
you're gonna be a bad organization. If you don't have
no vets, you're gonna be a shitty organization.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
So why teams so willing to get rid of vets?
Because I've heard a lot of people, not just basketball,
but in football also the older guy that's trying to
kind of showing the younger guys how and how not
to do things. So why are teams enfranchise are so
willing to move wont from vets and have Oh we
got eight guys that's under the age of twenty.
Speaker 5 (28:05):
Probably because they're cheaper. I mean, it's a business right
at the end of the day, and your bottom line
is what's important. Now, this is just my thought process,
and it might not be you know what it is,
but I would think that's that's the reason.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Whose responsibility is it to create that culture? Is it
the star player? Is it the coach? Is it the
general manager? Is it the franchise? Whose responsibility is that?
Speaker 5 (28:31):
I think the responsibility is the organizations, led through the coach,
through your vets. That's I think the peccing order that
should be in. But I definitely believe that the fact
that there's not a lot of vets in the league
anymore and throughout whatever all sports, I think that kind
of helps bad teams stay bad?
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Right? How disciplined?
Speaker 2 (28:55):
You know?
Speaker 1 (28:55):
You hear that?
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Now?
Speaker 1 (28:56):
I don't believe any successful per I don't believe you
can be successful what I do, in fact, which requires
you to do your very best with no one else's watching.
So how hard is it to be disciplined, whole people
accountable while still having fun?
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (29:12):
Being able to put everything in it in the right place, compartmentalize, Yeah,
you call it. Understand there's a time and a place
for everything. When you when you commit to something that's
first and foremost, you're gonna have fun.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Doing what you're doing. If you love what you're doing,
it's gonna be fun. Playing basketball should be fun because
that's what you wanted to do with your life exactly,
So everything else is extra.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
You played with Kobe, Yeah, one of the most disciplined
mofos rest is soul, one of the most disciplined. The
most important thing was basketball. It was no bs. And
if you would be if you were go help Kobe
within no championship. If he saw you.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Bro it drove him crazy.
Speaker 5 (29:57):
Yeah, he probably wouldn't talk to you if he didn't
feel like he was on the path that he was on.
And you know, I understand that because like minded people
usually connect.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
You know.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
So did you understanding at the time or as you
moved away from it?
Speaker 2 (30:13):
I understand I understood it before the time. You know,
I come from a winning program high school.
Speaker 5 (30:19):
You know, my my friends, the people that I played
high school basketball, we held each other accountable, right and
through holding each other accountable, we all, you know, ended
up going to Division one. So I understood that from
a young age. How was Kobe able to build a
championship locker room?
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Because I'm looking You played with Harden, You played with
Chris Paul, you played with Lebron, you played with Koche,
you played with a lot of guys. Does on that sad?
What's the biggest difference between Kobe and all the guys
that I named, because everybody would know. Okay, what's the
difference between Lebron and Kobe? So let's let's go with
just lebrony Coob. What was the biggest difference between them?
Speaker 5 (31:00):
I think Kobe is more of I don't give a
fuck if you like it, if you like me, this
is how we're doing it. I think Brian kind of
is more conscious of, uh like, what's going on? You know,
He's more of you know, he's he's more like, he's
cooler with more people than Kobe was.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Kobe don't give a fuck if you like him or not.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Koba, he was just that close. Kobe, bloody Kobe come
in like, hey, y'all, we were working today. Y'all y'all,
that's I don't care. So when and everybody tells the
story like they lose a game, and Kobe like, man,
take my shoes up, y'all. Sorry, more folks don't need
to have my stuff phone.
Speaker 5 (31:42):
Yeah, no, that's I didn't I didn't experience that Kobe.
You know, our team wasn't like that team or the
teams that he had where he talked to them that way.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
You know, we had a more betteran ball club because
it was you and Kobe. Andrew Biden was kind of
the young guy fish with Fish was still there.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
When I was.
Speaker 5 (32:01):
I was twenty two at the time, so I was
a younger player, right, But my mentality never was one
of a younger player. I always had to I'm gonna
I have to go get at a mentality. Yeah, how
to I'm I'm on the same thing, y'all. Ang, So
my mentality was a mentality was a bit different.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
So how was it in practice? You you gotta guard
you know, obviously you going against COVID. You know he
gonna bring it, and you know you got to bring
it because he gonna try to embarrass you and you
not trying to be embarrassed.
Speaker 5 (32:30):
No, absolutely not. And I think that's how we start.
That's why our relationship was so what it was, because
I'm not I don't care.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Who you are. I don't giving a fuck about none
of that.
Speaker 5 (32:42):
I'm gonna compete because I'm a competitor and I want
to beat you, just like how you want to beat me.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
And I think he understood that.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
How was it becoming his teammate because you you guys
competed each other for a number of years. He dropped
faulty on you, you rookie, my rookie year.
Speaker 5 (33:00):
And you know what's crazy about Larry Brown had this
thing where every player that whatever city we go to,
he was gonna start you if you're in your home city, okay,
And he started me after probably sitting me like ten games.
So yeah, I wasn't ready for that one, right, Yeah,
but you know he did.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Didn't let you know about it. Who ain't Kobe?
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Nah?
Speaker 5 (33:25):
He never he No, he didn't really On the court,
he was he was fucking destroying me.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Yeah, of course.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
But but I'm saying, once you came to the Lakers,
he like, tre have you remember that forty piece out
of our door?
Speaker 5 (33:35):
He dropped forty on so many people that he probably
didn't remember that.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
His only thing was what are you going to do
to help us win?
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Were you on the Lakers when Kobe demanded the trade?
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Nah, that's before that, before your time.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
How different do you think kobe legacy would have been
had he been traded because I think the thing that's
so fascinating is that he played twenty years with the
same team, right.
Speaker 5 (33:59):
I think it would have been a little bit different,
just because I mean, I don't know where he demanded
a trade too.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Seemed like he wanted to go to Chicago.
Speaker 5 (34:08):
Chicago. Yeah, I don't think it would have been the
same thing. It would have been different. He would have
been in the shadow of Mike, you know. And I
don't think he's a person who deserves a shadow, right,
you know, he's his own shadow.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
How how demanding was Kobe to win a ring without shaking.
Speaker 5 (34:29):
I think he he That's something that he drove him
fucking sleepless nights. I could probably say that he wanted
to prove that, you know, he was who he thought
he was.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Lamar Oldham said that had you played against the Celtics,
y'all would have beat him.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
I would I would like to agree with him with that.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
So when you lose comes, I mean, that was the
series and that you guys had that that big they
had that big league.
Speaker 5 (35:02):
I think it was game game. We was up twenty two, yeah, yeah,
and then they came back.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (35:08):
And I remember the thing that I remember Ray Allen
just getting to the can and just reverse late. Oh
my god, that's that would that took all the momentum
out of uh Staples that the year at the time.
So from that point on, they just that that gave
them the utmost confidence, and you know they took the
series after that.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
But how how is it? How does a young player
gain the respect of the veteran players in the locker room?
Speaker 5 (35:33):
The work ethic, the things that you do every single
day to prepare for your opportunity. Like I broke my
foot earlier in that season, and Kobe would meet me
there at the gym. You know, he wouldn't beat me there.
He would meet me there, you know, going through my thing,
doing my ship. So like seeing that time after time
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after time after time, you know, he understood that my
mission was the same as his mission. You know, I'm
a winner, just like how how he wants to or
how he is. And you know when you see things
or people that are like minded, you gravitate towards those things,
and you know we are like minded people.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
But did he ever say anything vocally verbally about man?
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Look, bro I got to get that championship.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
Man Shack don't get went to Miami and got him,
got him a chip and he done got one without me,
and he up there. You know, he don't write distrack
he talking. I mean, was he ever verbal about that?
Or you can just tell the way he practiced the
way he moved that that was very very important.
Speaker 5 (36:36):
Sometimes he would come in practice just aggravated, you know,
wouldn't say shit to nobody, and you can tell, like
in like his demeanor that those things was ticking him off,
you know, like he wanted it bad, right, he wanted
it real bad. And I'm not sure if it was
a competition between him and Shock. If it was, I
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wouldn't have known, because he never like spoke bad about him,
about Big Fellow at all. But I know that his
drive was always to be the best. He probably you know,
that's why he wore number twenty four because he.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
Wanted to be better than Yeah, you know so because
eight to twenty four really doesn't make any sense, no
sense at all. So yeah, yeah, so you had Phil Jackson.
What was playing for feel.
Speaker 5 (37:23):
Like playing for PJ was dope because it wasn't we
had a system in place, right, so it wasn't really
like he had to come up with like crazy schemes
inside that system. He just had to be able to
manage personalities. And I think that's where he was the
best at managing personalities, getting like huge personalities to how
(37:46):
do you have to come together?
Speaker 1 (37:47):
You know, Mike was Mike and is easy for Mike
because there's nobody else on that team that No, Scotty
is not thinking he's as good as Mike.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Jordan and Ron Harpin all about that Scotty, Mike.
Speaker 5 (37:59):
Scotty was probably just as That's the and that's the
thing that like media, I feel like, don't like point
out you.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Think Scotty thought he was just as good as Mike.
Not defensively, not defensively eight we know what, we know
what Scott he is.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
But I'm talking score. Yeah, I don't think.
Speaker 5 (38:14):
I don't think he I think he felt like his
impact was just as important.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Wow, Yeah, why wouldn't it be.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
Yeah, I'm not saying that's not but I think, but
when I look at Shaq and Kobe, there are the
there are the point, there's there's the defining point that
Kobe said, I'm just as good as this Mobo bro y'all,
y'all say whatever you want to say, and I understand
what he is, but I'm just as good.
Speaker 5 (38:38):
Nobody is as dominant as Shaq. Yeah, they changed rules
for Shaq. That's just what's what's real.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
But when you look at I mean, how are you
with Kobe? Kobe got to the league. What about ninety six?
Ninety six? He got in ninety six, so you can
a level. So you saw the maturation. You saw the
guy the airball, the ball in Utah, and then you
see like, hold on, are you sure do they team?
Are you sure he might team? And then at twenty
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twenty one, two twenty two, he's got a third championship.
Speaker 5 (39:12):
His body changed, he locked in, come to a completely
different level. Yeah, he's he's after I guess to me,
he's the best player ever.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Wow, yeah he is.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
You got Kobe over Mike.
Speaker 5 (39:27):
That's just my favorite plan, right, But I mean Mike
is in a completely different he's by himself, right, But
if I have to say Kobe is the best player ever.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
When when you when you said you texted him Kobe
leg say you texted Kobe a photo of him shooting
over three people, and Kobe says, means so much? Should
have a thieve to put back if I missed.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Yeah, he meant that.
Speaker 5 (39:57):
He lives, but he was dead as serious, right because again,
and like you said, those teams that he was on,
he probably felt that, you know, they they could get
the putbacks, right, He felt like his shot was the
best shot, even if it's.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
On three or four people.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
I mean, how I mean when you look at when
I look at the NBA now, it's like when Kobe came,
the Jordan shoe was the lig Now it seems to
be the Kobe shoe is the what the Jordan shoe
used to be to the NBA players today?
Speaker 5 (40:29):
Yeah, am I correcting that? I think on the court
for sure? Yeah, yeah, absolutely Kobe. Kobe's shoe is you know,
the shoe to wear. And I believe it's probably that
because I feel like Jordan limit the type of shoes
that he let the players wear. Really, if he let
players wear like the retros and all that, then you
(40:50):
know it might be a little bit even. But I
mean Kobe's Kobe shoes are more comfortable, yeah, because he.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
Don't really let him wear the like the Jordan he were,
He let him wear the Jordan line. He don't let
them wear that old stuff, the stuff.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
That he actually wore. Fact, that's what he tried to sell.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
The Jordan line hen't really try to the rector to Nike.
They they gonna do. They gonna do that, They're gonna
sell regardless. I need y'all get some of these, the
Jason Tatum and this other stuff.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
Exactly.
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Speaker 2 (42:30):
I mean, what was that second stint with the Lakers? Like?
And how different was it from the first step.
Speaker 5 (42:37):
The first time I was there, I was, you know,
really young. I was twenty two, right, twenty three, and
I was I had something to prove, right like coming
in at my eighteenth season, you know, I've done all
the proven that I can prove, and my role was
completely different at that time. So you know, it's it's
(42:58):
two different situations. The organization has always been great, always
was great to me, but you know, the roles or
you know, what I was asked to do was completely
different at the two different times.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
Why didn't it work?
Speaker 1 (43:17):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (43:19):
You got all players that are like you know that
super vest, right, you know, super super vest and.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
You're asking players to do things that are at the
right aide that they didn't do in their younger age.
Speaker 5 (43:30):
You know, you can't ask Melo to go dive on
the floor for a look or a lose moll or
or you know, chase Anthony Edwards around for forty minutes, right,
you know, he just not You're not going to get
that out of him, you know what I mean. So
you're not going to ask the White to come off
the bench and only play fifteen minutes when in his
(43:51):
mind he feels like he can contribute more. That's that's
that's just a tough thing to do. You're not getting
bron off the court. That's never gonna happen. Right, So
when you have things like that and all those elements
in that forum, it's hard to win.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
Hard to win. Russ. Russ's dream was to come back
and play for the purple and goal ok se Houston Washington.
That was great. The triple doubles, the first got to
average the triple double since Oscar he woned the MVP
and OKC. They had an okay, they had a decent
season in Houston. You know, ended up going to the bubble.
(44:30):
You know, it happened. He goes to Washington average two
more triple doubles. He'd killer he comes to La so
much fanfare. You got Braun, you got a D and Russ?
Why didn't work with those guys? And the criticism was
it unfair? The amount of criticism that Russ received.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
Absolutely, Russ.
Speaker 5 (44:51):
Every single night, he put his hard hat on and
he does everything that you ask of him. Every single
time they were asking him to go playing the uncor spot,
he was doing that ship So but.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
That's not that's not that's not his game. Right.
Speaker 5 (45:06):
So, like I said, when you put anybody in a
situation where you have Bron on the team, he's not
coming off the rock, right. So Russ is the point guard, right,
he plays, he needs.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
The ball, So why did it? So why make that
move when you know Bron needs the ball? Russ knows
that he needs the ball, So there's only one. Yeah,
this ain't pool with a bunch of balls on the table.
Basketball you got what's see?
Speaker 5 (45:36):
That's that's I'm glad I don't have that issue and
I don't got to worry about that. I don't constructing
the team or putting the team together. I never had
that problem.
Speaker 1 (45:44):
If you're a general manager, would you like, would you
have put this team together? Uh?
Speaker 2 (45:48):
It depends on why. If it's to sell tickets. Yeah, yeah, no,
you got to win ticket. You're the Laker.
Speaker 1 (45:54):
You had to win a championship. You know what you
played for the purperly goal. You know what it's about.
And you know how those fans are, right, and the
fans don't care. The one things being in LA what
I've noticed, the fans don't give a damn what you
did at another organization. What you're gonna do for us? Yeah,
you want MVP over there, fine, you want championship over there? Fine?
Now what you're gonna do for the Purple got their
(46:14):
RUSS average when he was there? I think what eighteen
seven and seven?
Speaker 2 (46:21):
What's wrong with that?
Speaker 5 (46:23):
That's that's that's all star numbers anywhere else, Right, that's
not that people are people are getting the max off that, right,
So you can hit that critic.
Speaker 1 (46:33):
That's not that's not what they expect. You know what
expectations are.
Speaker 5 (46:37):
Yeah, you can't expect Brin the average twenty seven seven
and seven and RUSS average a triple double, triple double,
a average twenty six twelve. That's the Mellow average eighteen
seven and whatever. That's unrealistic. That's like playing in the
video game, right.
Speaker 2 (46:56):
So somebody should have like been willing to like alter.
Speaker 5 (47:00):
He and he was, and he did he and he
got all the criticism for it. You know, his game
hasn't changed throughout his career.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
Lil Wayne recently said, and h, in order the Lakers
need to trade Anthony David, they win a championship. And
I guess AD must have heard it, got the braids out,
got the thro going, and he been like, boke up.
Speaker 2 (47:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (47:25):
I mean, sometimes it takes for somebody like that or
people that you admire to like get in your shit
for you to understand that. You know, you got to
be as hungry as you need to be to for
it to work. Ad is a special, special, special player,
and sometimes he don't always show that he's special. Uh,
(47:48):
but this year he's been he been doing what he's
supposed to do so far.
Speaker 1 (47:52):
I agree with you because sometimes I don't think Ad
realized just how special he is, because I remember what
he did to your's in the bubble. I remember what
he I've seen him go get fifty points against Joel Embiid.
I'm getting forty points to get Yiannis and then the
next night he come give me a leven and see
Ad got upset. When Laker fans and a lot of
(48:13):
analysts criticize it, they say, AD, how you give somebody
one rebound in the first half and no points in
the second half, and thank you? Supposed to escape criticism
under what planet? Under what scenario our player? It ain't
even the top seventy damn Now, if I think about it,
ain d was top seventy five, right, and you give
us one rebound in the first half and zero points
(48:36):
in the second half, and you're supposed to say, oh, man,
that's all right.
Speaker 2 (48:38):
Man, it's not good enough.
Speaker 5 (48:41):
Unacceptable period, There's no questions about that. It's unacceptable. On
no planet should AD ever have one rebound and then
no points.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
It's just unacceptable.
Speaker 1 (48:53):
Lebron James is the oldest current oldest player in the NBA.
Speaker 5 (48:59):
I mean what I mean, trail you played? I mean
one B Kobe one day, one B.
Speaker 1 (49:10):
How How was he able to play at this level
for such a law. We've seen guys have peaks, but
they peak, and this dude, the dude got here and
staying there. I mean, he's like a plane. He got
to a comfortable cruising altitude and stayed there.
Speaker 5 (49:27):
Fact, he's like I mean, I used to have this
joke with my friends that he was like he was
created in the lab.
Speaker 2 (49:34):
He not even He's not a real person. So that's how.
Speaker 1 (49:40):
I mean when you're like, obviously you guarded him a
number of years. Yeah, what was your mindset? What are
you trying to? What are you trying to do? How
uncomfortable you trying to? What are you trying to take away?
Speaker 5 (49:53):
It's just him getting in the paint, him getting down here,
because if he's in the paint, he's disrupting everything because
he could finish at the red finish kick.
Speaker 2 (50:02):
He could pass.
Speaker 5 (50:04):
He's strong as a motherfucker, so he has all the tools.
Speaker 2 (50:08):
You know.
Speaker 5 (50:08):
The only thing that you can possibly say is that
his jumper is streaky and you want to keep him
out the paint.
Speaker 1 (50:18):
When you played against him in high school, in your
wildest imagination, even though they had had him on Sports
Illustrated and Chosen, what did you think he'd be this good?
Speaker 2 (50:31):
I didn't.
Speaker 5 (50:32):
I thought he would be this good. I just didn't
know how fast that was gonna happen. You could you
just see it, like some players are just completely different.
Like he's built like you, and he runs and he
get up and down the court, like like TJ.
Speaker 1 (50:47):
Ford.
Speaker 2 (50:47):
Did you know TJ Ford is a small quick guard,
So like you just see it.
Speaker 1 (50:55):
What's the what's the forget on the court, because I
think in order for the game is what you do
off the court. So from a practice standpoint, from a
training standpoint, what are some of the similarities of some
of the difference that you noticed that Kobe did and
Bron did.
Speaker 5 (51:12):
It's the work for sure, Like the amount of work
that they put in is the same. Bron will be
doing work that you don't even know, like at home
or like off site, and then he'll still be at
the gym before everybody on the court. Then he'll be
in the training room getting his body right. Then he'll
(51:34):
be getting jumpers up after the game, then he'll i
mean after practice, then he'll be back in the training
room or in the right room stretching. So you know,
the amount of work that he puts into the game
is you know, pretty much similar. The person is just different.
The different what's the biggest difference is Bron is more
Bron is like more personable.
Speaker 1 (51:54):
Yeah, he's definitely more of a Kobe.
Speaker 2 (52:00):
Yeah, he's like.
Speaker 1 (52:02):
He's what age do you think Lebron's gonna retire because Harry,
he's six weeks away from being thirty nine years of
age and he's still playing at an unbelievable level.
Speaker 2 (52:12):
We saw him the other.
Speaker 1 (52:13):
Night, Go get thirty eight twelve and what six seven
against Phoenix. If we've seen him have these monster games
and he can still go off at any moment, at
what age do you think that it starts to noticeably dissipate.
I don't think he's still it. I don't think he's
as athletic. I think he could do some of the things,
just not for as long a time appeared as he
(52:35):
can do it. But what age do you think, like
forty one, forty two?
Speaker 5 (52:39):
I think he could do it for as long as
he wanted to do it, And the way he takes
care of his body and the mentality that he has,
he probably could play till he's probably forty five if
you want to.
Speaker 1 (52:50):
Yeah, real well, if he played forty five, the record
that gonna never be broken.
Speaker 2 (52:54):
It won't.
Speaker 5 (52:55):
I don't think. I don't think the things that he's
done is nobody gonna catch that. I don't think nobody's
gonna catch the points that he's gonna score. Wow, how
long did it take for him to break? How long
did Kareem record? Like Kareem had the record almost forty years.
Kareem broke the record in Vegas because back then, you know,
they played, I mean, they were trying to grow the league.
Speaker 2 (53:15):
And so he broke it against.
Speaker 1 (53:17):
Utah if I'm not mistaken at Thomas and Mack in
eighty four. Lebron broke it in what March of March,
March or April of twenty three, So almost forty years.
Speaker 5 (53:30):
And then it's still going. Yeah, he's still playing and
he's still scoring a gang of price and nobody gonna
catch that.
Speaker 1 (53:39):
You played. And the funny thing is, not only did
you know you guys were, you know, played against each
other in the NBA, but you played against each other
in high school. And your uncle said that Lebron was overrated,
and I guess somebody told it. I don't know about that.
He just gave you fifty two for no reason. I
don't know about that. I mean, he's a fucking good player, Tram.
You can't let him get a fifty piece on you.
Speaker 2 (54:01):
I mean I didn't let him.
Speaker 1 (54:04):
I won't let anybody do that.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
That's what he did.
Speaker 5 (54:08):
You know he was that special, So you know you
can't take nothing away from what he did.
Speaker 1 (54:12):
So before you I mean, obviously it's that there's I mean,
there's starting to be social media, but it's not like.
Speaker 2 (54:18):
It is now.
Speaker 1 (54:18):
You heard about it, right.
Speaker 2 (54:20):
And what are you thinking?
Speaker 1 (54:22):
You know, it can't be that good the way y'all
talk about old boy. He could be in the NBA
right now in fifteen sixty. He can't be that good.
And then you see him, and you see him as
a fifteen sixteen year old, You're like, hold on, man,
let me see his birth certificate, because ain't no way
if somebody being like that at fifteen sixteen.
Speaker 5 (54:38):
Nah, you just again that when you playing against elite talent,
you see elite things. He just was the most special
out of special players. He was like the best X men.
Speaker 2 (54:51):
For real.
Speaker 1 (54:53):
So yeah, Kevin Durant, he said, at some point, y'all
non athletes is going to realize that friends can eat
harder against one another.
Speaker 2 (55:02):
And Lebron agreed. Do you agree one hundred percent?
Speaker 5 (55:06):
Because like it's just like having a brother, You're gonna
try to beat your brother at everything.
Speaker 1 (55:11):
Because I don't never want to you have right run,
You're never gonna say that you did this to me.
Speaker 5 (55:16):
So, yeah, you're gonna compete harder against your friends than
you're gonna compete.
Speaker 1 (55:20):
But why why do the older guys seem to forget that?
Every time Magic at Isaiah used to play each other,
they would you give each other kids on the cheek,
but Magic took his ass out the air. Jordan and
Barkley were very cool, but they make it seem like
they was fighting, you know, everything with bad boy Pistons
and the Celtics or bad boy pistols in the bull
(55:41):
they try to they seem to forget that. You know,
we had TVs, we saw it.
Speaker 5 (55:45):
Yeah, I think it's just then they they I feel
like now they help each other up more. They are
bigging each other up more, which is not really a
bad thing, but like, in terms of competing, you kind
of don't want to let you know your right hand
know which, yeah, what the left hand is doing?
Speaker 1 (56:05):
How has aau shaped that? Because you played against Lebron
you know it. These guys now they've been playing against
each other since they're ten. So how do I develop
a ridal? How do I develop a dislike or hatred
versus the NBA. Those old guys, they ain't each other
with no you went traveling around like this. You saw
each other at the McDonald's All American Game. That was
probably the only time that you really saw each other.
(56:27):
And so you went to one college. I mean, if
you went to Douke North Carolina, obviously you developed or
I don't know who you're right?
Speaker 2 (56:34):
What USC?
Speaker 1 (56:35):
Yeah, okay, we get fat. But these kids now a
lot of them play on the same high school team
or the same AAU team.
Speaker 2 (56:43):
So how do I develop?
Speaker 1 (56:45):
How does Zion and Ja Morant who played on the
same AAU team develop a rival against each other?
Speaker 5 (56:51):
Try to kick each other's eyes every time they step
on the court. That's it it, don't it don't I
mean it don't stop. Like you don't have to not
be cool with them, right, you know when you're in
between those lines, you know you I'm going to fucking
eat all your food.
Speaker 2 (57:07):
So what are your thoughts on super teams? Uh? What's
the super team?
Speaker 1 (57:12):
Uh? I mean there've always been super teams, but I
mean the old guys seemed to forget that. What was
the Celtics, the Big Three Celtics with Bird Parish and McHale.
They also had Dennis Johnson who's in the Hall of Fame,
right the Lakers, So what was uh Kareem Magic and
Worthy killers? Was that not a super team? But see
(57:34):
I see a draft though. That's the thing. Everybody ain't
uh uh Jared West mm hmm. Everybody ain't bar Myers.
Everybody wasn't coach all back to be able to put
a team together.
Speaker 2 (57:48):
Yeah, I hear that.
Speaker 5 (57:49):
I think like the difference now is players want to
play with each other, yes, more so than playing played
against each other, right, And that's probably they ain't not
older players like if you're not on the same team early,
I want to compete against you because you're my rival,
and that I like the competition. You know, it's just
(58:12):
like playing cards or dominoes, right, Like I'm gonna try
to kick your ass on the domino table.
Speaker 2 (58:17):
You're steal my dog, still my boy, Well, I'm still
gonna go at you.
Speaker 5 (58:20):
And I think that's the difference in today's game than
the errors before.
Speaker 1 (58:25):
What do you think about for me? And I called
some criticism, but I'm not afraid to say it. I
believe even in football, the players are more skilled they're
more athletic, and today it's called the evolution. Players get bigger, faster, stronger,
they jump higher, they shoot better.
Speaker 5 (58:43):
Yeah, they do from deeper from you know, they shoot
from half court. Now you see Dame come across half
if you not at half court with him, Yeah, guys
wasn't doing that. The game was completely different. So I
think that's older players have to let that go.
Speaker 1 (59:00):
But see, I think the old older player think playing
football where they're not as tough, I mean.
Speaker 5 (59:05):
A different Yes, ye like being tough is I guess
in your era of football, getting a concussion, getting your
ass back out there on the next snap, putting the
band aid over the helmet. So yes, that that was
that was the physicality of it, right, But that but
that I mean, I guess, I mean, would you consider
(59:26):
being tough for skill? Nowadays it's a mentality that you
got to have and it's it's a little bit you
got to look at it different. Now they're tough is
different from what our tough is.
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