November 29, 2023 • 40 mins
Ever wondered what's going on with Anthony Davis? Trevor's knowledge as a former teammate allows him to rationalize what's going on with "The Brow". Trevor tells the story LeBron dropping 50 on him back in high school after Trevor's uncle declared him a better player. Ariza also has some bold predictions, betting against a Golden State ring for Chris Paul and declaring Damian Lillard the three-point king over Steph Curry. Just for kicks, Trevor crafts a dream team of former teammates and faces the heat on Dwight Howard criticism. It's a slam dunk of laughs, insights, and some real locker room talk. Grab a front-row seat on Club Shay Shay – where the game is on, and the banter is always in overtime! #Volume #Herd
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You played with Book and you play with brad Leybial
If you had to say who you think is the
better shooter.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Oh, Buck is probably the better shooter, or yeah, I
don't know, that's tough. Book is super cold, but brad
is super super cold. But if I would say a
better shooter, I'm probably gonna have to.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Go with Book. Yeah. Do you think book Bill and KD?
You think they can win a title if they got
a point guard. It looked like it's gonna be Book.
He Book ain't a point guard too.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
His Book scores seventy points in the NBA.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Yeah, no, you block KD shot a couple of times.
How hard did the indefeend KD?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
KD is probably one of the most difficult people to
guard because he's seven feet and he could shoot from
deep and he got a bag. So yeah, it's the
players now again, like they're unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Yeah, there was no. There's nobody really like KD. If
you say Dirt could shoot the ball like KD, but
Dirt was you know, he's gonna get it on the block,
hes gonna shoot the one leg step back. Yeah, you
can let the three go. He wouldn't put it on
the floor. Like kd can get all the way to
the rim, he can finish at the rim, can stop
pop got the three.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Dirk was nasty though, Yeah, oh yeah, Dirk was super called.
He yeah, he He is probably one of the reasons
that there is Kevin Duran, right, you know, but yeah,
there are two different dirties you played with Dame.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Yeah. How happy are you that he's out of Portland?
And should he have made this move sooner? I don't
think he really wanted to move.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Dame is one of those individuals that he's he's loyal
to a fall, lord to the sword. Yeah, loyal to
a fall. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Kevin Garnett huh in Minnesota, you remember how long it
took it to get out.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Yeah, And I mean it's nothing wrong with that. Again,
he's made an unbelievable living. Yeah, he's created identity. He's
you know, done things in Portland that not a lot
of people have done. But you know, at sometime sometime
in your career change the scenery is always good.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Dame of still build a deep ball shooter?
Speaker 2 (02:20):
What man, that's that's not even fair.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
I'm gonna give you a thirty five footer for your life.
One of those guys gotta take it who you won't
shoot it for game, for your life, for my life,
your life.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Since I'm gonna go with since stuff been whooping my ass,
what's all along, I'm going with dam Yeah yeah, park back.
I've been in the trenches with Dame, so I'm gonna
go with DWN with.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Day Okay, Will Dame and Yannis get it done? Because
it's off to a slow start, a little rocky start,
but hey, you believe they could turn it around because
I thought it would be better than what it was
because Dames the point they can get you to pick
and roll Dames a clothes. Yan is gonna do what
is gonna do? Are you surprised they've struggled a little
bit early.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Again, when you don't have training camps to Bill Bill
like chemistry, it's gonna it's it's tough to it's tough
to to like jail straight away. But once they settled
into like the part of the season where it's ugly
and they figure it out, I think they'll have a
chance to put it together.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
You played with CP three in New Orleans, you played
with him in Houston. Yeah, what are your thoughts on
him joining the Warriors. You're surprised. No, I'm not surprised.
It wasn't his choice got traded. He got traded there.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
I wouldn't have done it me personally, but again, I'm
not him. Just because they whipped our ass for so long,
you know, you ain't trying to join them. I couldn't
do it.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Did you ever see coming to day that you you
guys would link up in Houston? Yeah? I did.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
We we always you know, he's one of them, my
best friends in the league. He's actually my time, he's
probably my best friend in the league, you know, and
to this day he's one of my best friends. Right.
So yeah, I knew eventually we would have another opportunity
to play together. I thought we'd have a chance to
win the championship. We got really close to achieving that goal.
(04:21):
But again, like I said, sometimes things don't always you know,
luck don't always be on your side.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
You see, people it's understood. What is it that because
there's a perception about him a little dirty, little sneaky.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Uh, everybody got shipped. I mean, if you if you're
not cheating, you're not.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Trying right at that level.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
So you know, if people want to be upset that
he played hard or he does shit that's not in
the rules technically, then all right, that's cool.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
You played against Dramond, man, you say, Draymond trying to
put the headed man like the baby boy man.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Shit was so funny. I didn't see it live, but
I seen it like so just watching him like have
him in a choke hoo. I mean you would, you
would hold on Dramond like six six you seven three?
How do he get behind you to be able to
get up there and choke? He happened fast. He had
to understood it. But you know what, Trail, I'm mad.
(05:20):
It can't can't let that happen. I'm mad at everybody
on that team.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Yeah, man, I got to Trail. I got to have y'all.
The one thing if I ain't said, we got to
be best friending. But when somebody come into the house,
everybody everybody got a spradle.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
You know what's funny. Me and one of my another
one of my best friends name is Bottoms. We call
ing Bottoms Brandon Heath. You know, when we were in
high school, we used to fight against each other all
the time. But when it comes to like an outsider
trying to get in on the outside or whatever. Were
arguing about how they happening. Bro, We're gonna tear your
ass up.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
How did you let that happen? Then let the man
hold you get Draymond got the man choke ho and
cat standing there, a man stand everybody just standing there.
You know what it is.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
I figure the fines is too high, right and you
know it's getting ready to be capultic I to whip.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
You ask in practice what that find? How would that
go cost?
Speaker 2 (06:12):
That's that's the part of the game that that is
missing right now. Probably you can't. You can't leave a
man out there to drive like that, nah, because look
at the difference. Look at what Draymond did when dude
had clay and look at what they did when Draymond
had god beer. That's that's all I'm saying. That's the
part of the game. Draymond said, f them fine.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Now he probably gonna get suspended, probably five to ten,
who knows, given his history, it might be more game
than that. But he said, you know what, y'all nothing
to do that to my boy? Can I could just
imagine draymondle came in that thing with a chair like
a Texas death.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Ro match, and I'm not mad at him for that.
Like again, like those things are, they're they're undervalue, even
though they might not be great for like your ratings,
or it might not be great for the business of
the game. But it's great to understand that you have
a player on your team that's gonna ride with you
right or wrong. Yeah, and I would ride with somebody
like that at all times. What are your thoughts?
Speaker 1 (07:07):
I mean, I wanted to ask you because, like I said,
I've asked a few people. I don't really understand the
basketball culture kind of like you know, football is a
wholly different It's a totally different mindset for basketball players.
But when you saw the footage of Draymond punching Jordan Poole,
what were the thoughts that went through your mind? Did
you think? What the em did he say?
Speaker 2 (07:28):
The first thing I thought, it's hard to cut you off.
But what I thought was who the fuck put this out? Like,
whoever put that out? That's who you need to get at.
What happens in house is stay that should stay in
the house. I don't know what happened. I don't even
care what happened. The part that I don't like is
that it got out. That's the part that's weak to me, right.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
And so when you see now all of a sudden,
I mean it well, like stuff like oh man, Draymond
was wrong, Clay like a Draymond was wrong. It was like,
you know, it's a very unfortunate. Have you seen I mean,
you played eighteen years. Have you seen situation where players fight? Yes?
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Of course I've been in situations where things have gone down.
So the thing about it is like when you are
with somebody every single day, you're not going to get
along every day. Like when people have relationships or wives
or whatever. You're in the house with that person every
single day, you're not going to get along every day.
So like understanding that and not letting it go outside
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of your houses.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
What's the most important thing? How hard is it to
feel something because we've never seen anything like Steph. Forget
the shooting, it's the perpetual emotion motion, be your ass Still.
The crazy part is like he shoots a lot of threes, right, yeah,
but he get a lot of layups to yes, and
that's what opens up the three ball. He's always on
the move and.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
He has players that can pass the ball, like dre
back in the day he had daily not David Lee.
Uh the biggest Australian guy. Oh oh, Andrew Andrew Bogan.
He was a really good pastor. You know so like
in Consett screens and Cossette screens, like people that are
sacrificed theirselves for a talent that is as good as him.
(09:18):
You need them. That's what allows him to be as
great as he is.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
We'll CEP three get the first ring when you get
an opportunity to get the championship in Golden State, No,
I don't.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Can't nobody fuck with Denver on the West to me,
especially right now Denver like the way that they moved
the ball. Yolkis being on their team, Coach Malone, Yeah,
their team is just like that.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Are you surprised he was so willing to come off
the bench because the guy has been to start his
whole career. You said he's a top seventy five player.
I think he's third all time and assists and he's like, Okay,
those are the sacrifice that you were talking about earlier
that you have to be willing to make career you
want to be a championship.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
The correct CP is one of those people that his
game can change with the situation, So I think that
I don't think it bothers him that he's coming off
the bench. I just think that if it's best for
the team, then he's willing to do that at this
point in his career.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Right. Give me you know, because you played with so
many great players. I kind of want to get the
mindset and bring out our viewing and listening audience into it.
CEP three in practice, Kobe in practice. CP three in
the game, Kobe in the game. Some of the similarity
to some of the differences. They both are ultra competitive.
(10:45):
CP will try to probably Kobe will try to beat
you and walk in to the locker room. CEP will
be right on his heels. Yeah, So they competitive and
everything we should. Who we play at table ta, if
we played.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Cards, everything, everything, They wanted to beat you everything.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Chris Paul also said, had you not gotten hurt in Houston,
he probably would have won the championship if he didn't.
I would agree with that.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
If he didn't get hurt when we were in Houston,
I feel like we had an opportunity to win. That
was we had like top five team in offense, top
ten in defense. You know, we shot a lot of
We had a lot of good players on our team,
shot a lot of threes.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
But yeah, I'm just trying to figure out how you
missed twenty seven, twenty six, twenty seven straight three? Though?
How you do that? I think you can't even try
to do that, you would It.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Was a cap on the It was a lid on
the on the rim because everybody was missing them.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Man, you remember the movie six Man.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Yeah, yeah, and uh bro was knocking the shots off
exactly what was happening.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Playing with stars? Obviously you're you're a blue guy, You're
one of the guys. I mean, everybody can't be a star.
Somebody has to take a role, you know, everybody can't
be the CEO of the bank. Somebody got to be
the custodium. Somebody got to be the cashiers, somebody got
to be the brand managers. How do you find your
role your niche in a team full of stars?
Speaker 2 (12:15):
So when you have or you playing with players that
are the star player or a superstar, you understand that
and in order, it just depends like on your mentality,
Like if you want to win, what's what's what's the
most important thing to you? And for me, it's winning.
Like I was a player that could kind of do
(12:35):
a little bit of everything, and in order for me
to be on the court, I learned early that you
have to do something that's going to help you stay
on the court, right, and that was play defense, hit
open shots, dive on the floor, do all the shit,
all the things that people do not like to do
until like your situation changed. So for me, that situation
(12:58):
just happened to be the role that I took on
in every team that I played on, and my idea
was just to be the best superstar I can be
in my role that I played.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Well, how difficult is it to deal with egos because
you play because the superstar no even he's here, and
they're only like a handful of those guys I'm talking about,
like true truth. And you played with Kobe, you played
with Lebron, obviously, you played with CP three, you played
with some other guys James Harden, But how difficult is
it to play with a guy that's like that?
Speaker 2 (13:32):
For me, and I can't speak for other people, but
for myself, it's easy because I feel like I got
my own ism, like I got my own thing that
I do I got my own friends, I got my
own everything right, and you know, going to play with
those type of individuals, they understand what I bring to
the table. So it's not a shot to my ego.
(13:55):
It's actually a boost to my ego because I don't
have to try to fit in. I fit in because
I just fit in. How do you get comfortable in
your role?
Speaker 1 (14:03):
You're three in d guy once made three, made ten
threes in the game, but you were known for your defense.
What's the biggest key? Because not only must you try
to limit Lebron or limit James Harden, to limit one
of the Kuhi PG whomever, but you still they're still
going to ask you to knock down No. Three that
when you get that opportunity because this thing now you're
(14:25):
spending so much energy because you know that you can
go get forty to fifty and you trying to limit
them as much as you possibly can while still maintaining
energy to be able to get that shot up and
knock it down.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
I think the mental toughness that's the part of the
game that is that you have to have that has
to be extremely high because you, like you said, you know,
you guarding somebody who could go off for fifty so
and they probably gonna get to the average no matter what.
It's just making the percentages go down that gives your
(14:58):
team a chance to win. They're taking more shots to
get to the average, right and understanding that, you know,
all right, fool like he gonna get to his average,
but you just can't make it easy for him. Do
everything you can to make it as uncomfortable as possible.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
You've got the distinction of being the most traded player
in NBA history. How difficult is that on your family?
And then when did you're like damn again again? I
mean you like a military family, but you on the move, bro, Yeah,
I mean I was.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
I was doing what I love to do, right, and
they don't matter what Jersey it is or what city.
I looked at it as you know, somebody wanted me. No,
my family got to see different parts of the country
and I'm still playing at the top level and the
sport that I chose to play in.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
What was the best and the worst trade you experienced?
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Well, there was one time I got traded like four
times right in like a day or whatever. Yeah, but
I didn't go to none of the places, So I
think the best experience of being traded was a team
that wasn't going to use me. They allowed me the
opportunity to train and do the things that I needed
to do in the space that I was at, like
(16:15):
with my family. So you know, I have a lot
of respect for that organization, for that team, and you know,
understanding you know, my age or whatever. They they they
they gave me the respect of allowing me to be
at home while they were looking for a place for
me to go.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
When you say you was traded four times in a day,
so how did that go? You're in your hotel room
two days or some shit. But anyway, so your agent says, okay,
you got traded in such and such, but sit tight.
You're probably not gonna go there. They're looking to move you,
and so you just sit and tire you like, damn,
I mean, it's nice to be wanted, But so what's
(16:57):
what's going on in your head? What are you thinking?
Just waiting until I go to where I'm supposed to go? Right?
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Yeah, that's not like that's not a bruise to my ego,
you know, like this is this, it's sports. You know,
I'm still going to get a chance to compete. So
the guys that get caught up in that, they got
to be a little bit younger, because again, like the
older you get the longer, the longer you play, you
understand is a business. You know, we as the athlete,
(17:25):
the young athlete, we looking at it as from the
love of the game, and as you get a little
bit older, you start to understand both sides of it.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Being from l A, obviously you love LA. What's outside
of LA. What's one of the couple of the best
cities that you lived in.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
I love Houston, Miami for sure, DC is great. New
York was great. Well, I mean you you live it.
They fifty state you live in like twelve them, right,
So I got to experience a whole bunch of things
not a lot of other people get to experience, and
I still got to do it first class.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Yeah. I read when you said that you were traveling
to Milwaukee, and I think, uh, Oklahoma City and you
experienced ghosts.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
But that's true, man, there was a hotel in Oklahoma
City discurving.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Yeah, that's true. And y'all still the team still stay there.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
I don't know if teams stay there now, but I
remember just laying on my bed. It had to be
like early, like getting in late. So it's early in
the morning. I'm laying on my bed. The lights are on,
everything is on. So I fall asleep on the bed,
fully closed. I ended up in the bed the lights off.
I was just I know I didn't do it.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
What but you were still closed though, right, Yes, they
take you.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Naked, but I was. I ended up in the bed
with the lights off.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Okay, give me your all time starting five based on
your team. He makes former teammates, So Kobe, Lebron, Dwight,
Howard Westbrook, Dame Mellow Book c P three, Tracy mcgarady,
Alas All, Penny Hardaway, and Stepan Mulbury started five.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Let me look at that list. Let me see there
with that all right, dot Kobe for show. Ye, I
saw these guys who start right, Yeah, all right, So
I'm gonna go with Kobe. I'm gonna go with Chris,
I'm gonna go with Pile.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
I'm gonna put Dwight in there, Okay. And you don't
got no four min in here on?
Speaker 1 (19:37):
No power? Yeah, Pile your four, Yeah, power for sure,
Dwight your five. Dwight.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
You missing the three three I didn't say Bron. No, Well, Bron,
that's it.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
And that's night, little squad. Do you think you let
me ask you a question? In their prime? You win
a championship with this team.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
In their prime? I don't think that team works?
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Wow? So Kobe Broad, d White, Pile and CP three,
you don't think it worked? No, Browny, Kobe, all of them? Well,
I mean Dwhite gonna block the shots, Gonna get you
some rebounds.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
I'm gonna want the ball.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
You want the ball? Yeah, okay?
Speaker 2 (20:15):
CP three pick and roll with Lebron, Kobe half the ball.
Kobe gonna have the ball. Lebron gonna have the rock.
So like they not who they are without the ball.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Right, So we're gonna sell a lot of ticket back
to go within the championship line. Of all the teammates
you had to have never won a ring? Who would
you like to give a ring to? Tracy McGrady, Penny,
CP three, Mellow grand Hill, you're gonna get one ring?
CP who else? T mac Tenny Mellow g Hill?
Speaker 2 (20:56):
I'm gonna go with CEP. Should rings matter in an
argument individual? No, they shouldn't matter if it's an individual talent.
Only in teams only only when you talking on the
concept of a.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Team, because can I give you my opinion, I believe
you can be great without having a ring, But to
be in the conversation for great tests, you've got to
have a ring.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Agree and disagree. You got to have a great team.
Only great teams win championships. There hasn't been one player
in the history of the NFL, NBA, NHL that has
won a championship by themselves, right, It just ain't happening.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
So are you willing to put Karl Malone if that's
the case, Because I think Karl Malone would be probably
the number one power forward had he won a couple
of championship But that distinction de Brone to Tim Duncan.
Tim Duncan is killer right.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
No, I mean again, like I said, there's too many
great players right to choose the greatest.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
As far as what you just told me, you said,
Jordan's in the lead by himself.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Because he pushed the game. He changed the game. People,
people all the shoes will wear it looked like Jordan.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Well you do know what Magic and Bird did because
they used to be games used to be on tape.
The lake. The NBA Finals was on tape the Lake.
They played it one day and you watched it later.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Yeah, Magic is killer too, Bird is killer.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
But I'm just so, so what is your definition? How
how would you define a great player? What? What's a
great player to you? What is it? Is it some numbers?
Is it all the NBA selections? Is it all Star?
Is it MB? Is it MVPs. I'm just we're talking
about just great players, no ring Because for me, like
I said, I believe in order to be into the
greatest conversation, you need titles preference.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
I guess for me, I like, I like mentality, I
like style, I like charisma, I like I like winners.
So for me, that's gonna be different than everybody else.
I want to say it like this, So so think
about this. Remember that year Cleveland and when was that
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Cleveland and Golden State played?
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Yeah, and I think bron led.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
The whole in all the staff.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Yes. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
That would be the one time somebody can say somebody
won a championship or what's the closest to winning a championship?
Yeah by saying right, and I don't even think they won.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
They didn't. They didn't. Ye did it? Well? He yeah,
he did well, yeah he did the year that was
twenty sixteen when he chased them down. I don't think
they won. They won twenty sixteenth. Yeah, he led in
tire finals in points, steel block shots.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Yeah, so like in that sense, that's like winning by yourself.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
You played with Dwight and Orlando, Houston, Washington, LA. Why
doesn't d how get the respect he deserves? Why doesn't
he get through? Yeah, we ain't gonna talk about what
what he got, what he got going on the field.
Let's let's sit that aside. Let's talk about the player
on the court.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Probably because I think he probably was a little bit
too goofy, like he played too much in my opinion.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
So like.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Everybody else don't understand that type of like personality when
they're thinking of greatness. I guess like it's different. Like
he has like the smile and he likes to like
laugh and get along. But you know, having a smile
and being a killer is you know, I don't know.
(24:47):
The only person to get that off is Magic.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Yeah. What was he like in the locker room? Was
good teammate? He seemed like I mean, like you said,
he was very you know, fun, go outgoing, fun loving,
but I mean, the dude was was a twenty ten,
twenty ten, twenty fourteen guy. He was a three time
defensive consecutive Defensive Player of the Year. In his prime,
he was a top five player, finished second in the
(25:10):
MVP voting. So they make it seem like the man was.
I can see if he laughing and joking and giving
you seven and eight. He laughing and joker give you
twenty fourteen with three and a half blocks.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
He's been disrespected completely for his talent and the things
that he's done to this game.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
How shocked though you John Wall, he has maned. He
went through it. I think he had like an acl
and then towards the ki Lees and then he lost
his mom. He had a stretch where he really went
through it. Yeah. Do you think his career is over?
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Nah, it's not. His career ain't over until he put
it down. But man, he had a rough goal at
You know, he had some years where it wasn't wasn't
you know, nobody everybody was struggling that situation right that
he went through, So where he is at this point
is unfortunate.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
There was a situation the Clippers locker room after game
and they confronted over the playoff. I mean what the
little toy was a little tun of somebody knew about
a secret passage? Did you know about that passage?
Speaker 2 (26:13):
I mean everybody that plays in the NBA, they knew
about the locker rooms are right there right?
Speaker 1 (26:20):
What about it? What? So? What set that off? Uh?
What set that off?
Speaker 2 (26:29):
There was an altercation or like, you know, words being
exchanged on the court, and uh, me and one of
my old teammates, we you know, we was talking to
each other. And then like again, remember I was talking
about like an outsider, Yeah, getting in in between family business.
That's the situation. So you're like, okay, yeah, and I
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didn't understand.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
I didn't You.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Didn't understand what you didn't do it? Yeah, I didn't
hear what he had to say. So you know, the
person that I am, I wanted to know what he
has to say.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Do you ever take it? Okay, in the heat of
the bottom, they're like, bam in your face, trail up,
take that. You know what you ain't guard beat? Do
you take that person? You say, Okay, we're just in
the game. No, Yeah, it's not.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Personal unless it's disrespectful. So, like there's a few trigger
words that become disrespectful, and.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
So then you like, hold on now, Okay, yeah you
got them two of them and now but come on now.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Yeah, no, it's it's it's cool. Like if that's what
you do, that's what you do. You know, I don't
take it personal because I understand you a basketball player,
right and this is basketball.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
But I remember I do remember this because Trey plays
with the Hawks. I'm from Georgia, lived at Atlanta, still got
a place there. He tried a big h you checked
the man. Yeah, you can let him all the globe try.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
To fuck Oh, we're not even in Like again, he's
he's unbelievable, right, And I and seeing them do it,
and I watched them gearing up to try to like
do it to me, and it was just reaction. It
wasn't like, you know, I'm like maybe to put me
on the highlight tape. No, it's not that. Just play
with your peers, you know.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
I'm that's yeah, that's not for me. You guarded Lebron,
you guarded Kobe. That's those are your assignment you going
into the game. What's your mindset going into the game.
You guarden Kobe? What's your mindset going into the game.
Guarden Lebron and what's your toughest match up? Well, Kobe
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will be the tougher match up. And Kobe is a
tougher matchup because he's way more relentless.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Bron is more like of He's relentless in a different way.
He's gonna make the right play. So bronill beat you up,
get into the paint and like kick it out, and
you're like, oh shit, what Kobe is? Kobe will beat
you up, getting a paint, pump fake you, pump fake you, spin,
pump fake you again, get you in the air, beat
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you up and one and one. Yeah, So yeah, that's
that's like complete embarrassment.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Players under twenty five. You want to build your team
around you got Zion, you got John It got some issue.
Anthony Edwards, Anthony, I would go go Luca chet Women, Yama, Tyrese, Haliburton, Mello,
k Cunningham.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
I like him, you love man. I love Anthony Edwards game.
He's called.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
He definitely seems like a different animal this year. He's
super called.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
He would be the first person I like Mellow LaMelo.
He's real good. Who else did you say? Luca Fluker
Luca's good. Luca's really good. Tyrese Haliburton Halliburn is really good.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
He's a score.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
You like that trade Halliburton from the Kings for oh
he's the point guard. Yeah, he's really good. He's he's
better than what I thought he was like initially. Uh,
he shoots from from deep. He he can pass the ball,
like really really well. I think I think you call
him one that trade. I think the one that trade
with the bonus bonus is.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
I mean, I like Sabonis, He's a triple double steen
seven one, can rebound, can score, can assist the basketball.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
I think Indiana won that trade too.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Yeah, yeah, they got him on that one.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
What are your thoughts on wimby Man? I don't think
I think that he is extraordinary. He's an extraordinary talent.
Somebody asked me that earlier. They but they compared him
to KD. Right as far as like scoring the ball,
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and like the way that I try to like explain it.
I try to say, like he's going to score the
ball because you know he's he's seventy four and he's
a guy on his team. The percentage is how you're
going to be able to tell on who could possibly
be the better player. So like, wait till the end
of the season, give you eighty two games, and the
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field goal percentage and the average would kind of determine
on who would kind of score more points?
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Right, would be better? Did you like the comparison with
Shaq said Winby is Bobo.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
I understood what he was saying completely, because Bobo got
super skilled. He's super talented. I mean I haven't been
around him as a teammate or seen him or you know,
been in a space where I can get an ear
to why he don't play, but I can see him
being similar like the times that he did play last year,
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or when he was in Orlando, you know, Lando than
he was with the Nuggets. He killed in Orlando, Like
the stretch that he played he was killing. So I
understand the comparison we talked earlier.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
You said a man is the best player, Then for you,
at man is the best player in the NBA. Give
me your top five players, top five.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Tatum under a certain age.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Again, the top five player.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
There's too many, Uh, I like book, I like I'm
gonna go young. I'm like, but I like Anthony Edwards, Luca.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Yo Yo Ki kd uh do you play with? I'm
knicks who I was gonna wonder if you what you
thought about him? So how do you think you'll do
in Houston? Because it seemed to have they playing, well,
that's a very young team.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Yeah. I like what he does. He comes like his
coaching background is as a a really good coaching background.
You know, they have principles, so you know how you say,
like the heat way where he comes from, they have
a way as well, right, So those core principles have
shown that they work throughout the years. They're timeless, and
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it seems like players like playing for him.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Are you Are you surprised that he was able to
get a second chance. I don't think. I don't think
what he did with a numper? I mean, oh he
did that? Look okay, fat that's between him and his partner.
They went on their separate ways. But he ain't killed.
Nobody come up? Did he do exactly? I mean, look,
look you know no, I don't know. Well, I mean anybody,
That's what I'm saying. So like what's saying what we
(33:24):
say down south? He put his penis in his wallet?
That doubt what he did? I mean that that's what
we call it down south.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
So we have a saying where I don't know if
it's appropriate to say. We could be it out of necessary. Huh,
we could be it out if necessary. You stay out there,
they can pussy business, right.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Okay, that's phair enough, that's fair enough. Dylan Brooks, what
do you think of Brooks? Hard? Nos?
Speaker 2 (33:53):
I like his game. He played hard. He played hard
as hell. You played in the two biggest markets, New York,
l A. Which one you like the best?
Speaker 1 (34:02):
I'm Homer?
Speaker 2 (34:03):
You la threw it through Homer. But did you like
playing in New York? I love playing in New York.
I think I was too young to appreciate it completely.
But you know, being at home is home. Ooh, I
got one for you. He was second around draft pick
in two four. Who's the Becker? Who's the best second
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round draft pick of all time?
Speaker 1 (34:26):
For me? Yeah? Gilbert? Are you sure?
Speaker 2 (34:31):
I mean that's that's who came to my mind first?
Speaker 1 (34:33):
You do it. There's a two time MVP on the
finals MVP that within the second round, Yo, kitchen.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Oh, Yoki's just cold? Yokis is so called.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
I would let you. I'll let you change it again.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Change I'm gonna go Gilbert Gilbert is Gilbert is sick.
He just ain't winning Manus or the man New Yo Kitsch. Gilbert, Draymond,
Dennis rober, Mark Gasol. I'm not so sure, Dre gil
mcgil my guy. Yeah, but gil might be. He might
be thirty fourth on this list. I'm going with Gil.
I'm going with Gil for sure. What the rookie contract?
(35:10):
You look at it, Look at the salaries.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Now, guys about to get a contract, Jason Taytam about
to get foe under the foe under mill.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
It's beautiful and he twenty five, so he's gonna get
another contract.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
So he might do a billion dollars in NBA contracts.
Are you surprised?
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Because I just remember what was it like five years
ago Mike Conley had the biggest contract, one hundred and
fifty one million. I'm not surprised. That means the game
is growing, and that's a beautiful thing. Like you always
want to see people behind you get better. Evolution is
always a good thing, right, What was some of your
best purchases? I mean, you come in as a rookie,
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your seventh round draft pick. You wouldn't a lottery pick,
so so what was what was one of your best
purchases one of your worst purchases.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
That's a rookie. Uh.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
I guess being able to get my mom a house.
That was the best feel good thing for me. Probably
the worst thing appreciating assets, jewelry, dumb ship.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Yeah, well so ever rookie, you know, you got to
take care but you got to take the vets out
where you take them and how much you see so
like for us, it was different.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
They just make us do well. I don't even know
if they do that now, But when I was a rookie,
we used to have to like grab the bags, help
the equipment manager take the bags off the plane. Uh
in every city carry people's bags and stuff. We have
to do that. But like I have vets. That was
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like super up, Like they were real rich, so they
would like, you know, I didn't. They didn't get no
issue out of me, so they would take care of me.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
The uh l A. There have been a lot a
lot of home invasions. There's been a lot of you know,
robberies with celebrity. How do you advise players to move
in la.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Don't be flashy, like keep your head on the swivel.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
At all times and keep your hair on igs because
they couldn't get it.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Stay off, I g especially if you're not if you're
not from here, right, try to stay as respectful as
you possibly can.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
Is that why you keep such a little profile.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
I just feel like I like to move in the
shadows period, right.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
Yeah, your younger brother passed away falling in a hotel room.
How did that impact trouble?
Speaker 2 (37:41):
My brother dying? I think it made me U It
helped me. It helped me more so than like it
hurt me. And that's whird. It sounds crazy, but it
allowed me to like pick up a ball and like
put my pain into all the basketball instead of the
other way, because it could have went the other way too.
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That's probably that I got in a lot of trouble
when I was younger around that time. But basketball helped you, Coote.
Basketball definitely helped. It gave me an outlet to let
you know, all the emotions out.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
And dating advice, I mean haven't been eighteen years. You
mentioned you have three kids. Is there any advice that
you gave rookies or that you received from the best
when you got into the league that you later didn't
in turn passed along.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Stop lying. Be honest. You know, I feel like and
a position where you know you have everything that you
need or you want. It's no need for you to
lot to nobody. So just be honest with who you
are and what you're about, and people that like you
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gonna like you.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
Anyway. I read that Terrell Lewens came to your Clipper trial.
Why was t O there? I mean, y'all played together,
y'all cool like that. I mean support system. Now you
know what's crazy? T Oh just is I feel like
he just loves the gym. He's a gym rat completely,
and uh he happened to be there at the time
and he was in there watching that was that was dope.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Teal swear he could he believe he could have played
in the NBA. He probably felt he probably could have
as he started a little bit earlier. He's super athlete.
He could do everything.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Was he good? I mean, I'm sure he like he
like he's been open run, he's played with some of
the players. You think he got a decent game.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
I think he got a really good game for a
professional athlete that played another sport.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
What NBA player you think if they would have started early,
could have played in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
Anthony Edwards. I like Anthony Edwards. How you like Brian?
What's next?
Speaker 1 (39:59):
What? What's next for Trouble Reason?
Speaker 2 (40:01):
What's next for me?
Speaker 1 (40:02):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (40:05):
I like to say that when you see it and
when you hear about it, then you're gonna do it. Yeah, silence,
super solid. People can't take shit from you when they
don't know about it.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
Yeah, Trouble Reason here, let's have a drink. Congress eighteen
years all the best bro st chairs.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
All my life, grinding all my life, sacrifice, hustle pa price,
Want a slice?
Speaker 1 (40:30):
Got the brother? Dis swap all my life. I'll be
grinding all my life.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
Yea, all my life, grinding all my life.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
Sacrifice, hustle back the price, Want a slice? Got the brother?
Dis swap all my life. I'd be grinding all my life.
You played with Book and you play with brad Leybial
If you had to say who you think is the
better shooter.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Oh, Buck is probably the better shooter, or yeah, I
don't know, that's tough. Book is super cold, but brad
is super super cold. But if I would say a
better shooter, I'm probably gonna have to.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Go with Book. Yeah. Do you think book Bill and KD?
You think they can win a title if they got
a point guard. It looked like it's gonna be Book.
He Book ain't a point guard too.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
His Book scores seventy points in the NBA.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Yeah, no, you block KD shot a couple of times.
How hard did the indefeend KD?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
KD is probably one of the most difficult people to
guard because he's seven feet and he could shoot from
deep and he got a bag. So yeah, it's the
players now again, like they're unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Yeah, there was no. There's nobody really like KD. If
you say Dirt could shoot the ball like KD, but
Dirt was you know, he's gonna get it on the block,
hes gonna shoot the one leg step back. Yeah, you
can let the three go. He wouldn't put it on
the floor. Like kd can get all the way to
the rim, he can finish at the rim, can stop
pop got the three.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Dirk was nasty though, Yeah, oh yeah, Dirk was super called.
He yeah, he He is probably one of the reasons
that there is Kevin Duran, right, you know, but yeah,
there are two different dirties you played with Dame.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Yeah. How happy are you that he's out of Portland?
And should he have made this move sooner? I don't
think he really wanted to move.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Dame is one of those individuals that he's he's loyal
to a fall, lord to the sword. Yeah, loyal to
a fall. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Kevin Garnett huh in Minnesota, you remember how long it
took it to get out.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Yeah, And I mean it's nothing wrong with that. Again,
he's made an unbelievable living. Yeah, he's created identity. He's
you know, done things in Portland that not a lot
of people have done. But you know, at sometime sometime
in your career change the scenery is always good.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Dame of still build a deep ball shooter?
Speaker 2 (02:20):
What man, that's that's not even fair.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
I'm gonna give you a thirty five footer for your life.
One of those guys gotta take it who you won't
shoot it for game, for your life, for my life,
your life.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Since I'm gonna go with since stuff been whooping my ass,
what's all along, I'm going with dam Yeah yeah, park back.
I've been in the trenches with Dame, so I'm gonna
go with DWN with.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Day Okay, Will Dame and Yannis get it done? Because
it's off to a slow start, a little rocky start,
but hey, you believe they could turn it around because
I thought it would be better than what it was
because Dames the point they can get you to pick
and roll Dames a clothes. Yan is gonna do what
is gonna do? Are you surprised they've struggled a little
bit early.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Again, when you don't have training camps to Bill Bill
like chemistry, it's gonna it's it's tough to it's tough
to to like jail straight away. But once they settled
into like the part of the season where it's ugly
and they figure it out, I think they'll have a
chance to put it together.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
You played with CP three in New Orleans, you played
with him in Houston. Yeah, what are your thoughts on
him joining the Warriors. You're surprised. No, I'm not surprised.
It wasn't his choice got traded. He got traded there.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
I wouldn't have done it me personally, but again, I'm
not him. Just because they whipped our ass for so long,
you know, you ain't trying to join them. I couldn't
do it.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Did you ever see coming to day that you you
guys would link up in Houston? Yeah? I did.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
We we always you know, he's one of them, my
best friends in the league. He's actually my time, he's
probably my best friend in the league, you know, and
to this day he's one of my best friends. Right.
So yeah, I knew eventually we would have another opportunity
to play together. I thought we'd have a chance to
win the championship. We got really close to achieving that goal.
(04:21):
But again, like I said, sometimes things don't always you know,
luck don't always be on your side.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
You see, people it's understood. What is it that because
there's a perception about him a little dirty, little sneaky.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Uh, everybody got shipped. I mean, if you if you're
not cheating, you're not.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Trying right at that level.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
So you know, if people want to be upset that
he played hard or he does shit that's not in
the rules technically, then all right, that's cool.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
You played against Dramond, man, you say, Draymond trying to
put the headed man like the baby boy man.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Shit was so funny. I didn't see it live, but
I seen it like so just watching him like have
him in a choke hoo. I mean you would, you
would hold on Dramond like six six you seven three?
How do he get behind you to be able to
get up there and choke? He happened fast. He had
to understood it. But you know what, Trail, I'm mad.
(05:20):
It can't can't let that happen. I'm mad at everybody
on that team.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Yeah, man, I got to Trail. I got to have y'all.
The one thing if I ain't said, we got to
be best friending. But when somebody come into the house,
everybody everybody got a spradle.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
You know what's funny. Me and one of my another
one of my best friends name is Bottoms. We call
ing Bottoms Brandon Heath. You know, when we were in
high school, we used to fight against each other all
the time. But when it comes to like an outsider
trying to get in on the outside or whatever. Were
arguing about how they happening. Bro, We're gonna tear your
ass up.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
How did you let that happen? Then let the man
hold you get Draymond got the man choke ho and
cat standing there, a man stand everybody just standing there.
You know what it is.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
I figure the fines is too high, right and you
know it's getting ready to be capultic I to whip.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
You ask in practice what that find? How would that
go cost?
Speaker 2 (06:12):
That's that's the part of the game that that is
missing right now. Probably you can't. You can't leave a
man out there to drive like that, nah, because look
at the difference. Look at what Draymond did when dude
had clay and look at what they did when Draymond
had god beer. That's that's all I'm saying. That's the
part of the game. Draymond said, f them fine.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Now he probably gonna get suspended, probably five to ten,
who knows, given his history, it might be more game
than that. But he said, you know what, y'all nothing
to do that to my boy? Can I could just
imagine draymondle came in that thing with a chair like
a Texas death.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Ro match, and I'm not mad at him for that.
Like again, like those things are, they're they're undervalue, even
though they might not be great for like your ratings,
or it might not be great for the business of
the game. But it's great to understand that you have
a player on your team that's gonna ride with you
right or wrong. Yeah, and I would ride with somebody
like that at all times. What are your thoughts?
Speaker 1 (07:07):
I mean, I wanted to ask you because, like I said,
I've asked a few people. I don't really understand the
basketball culture kind of like you know, football is a
wholly different It's a totally different mindset for basketball players.
But when you saw the footage of Draymond punching Jordan Poole,
what were the thoughts that went through your mind? Did
you think? What the em did he say?
Speaker 2 (07:28):
The first thing I thought, it's hard to cut you off.
But what I thought was who the fuck put this out? Like,
whoever put that out? That's who you need to get at.
What happens in house is stay that should stay in
the house. I don't know what happened. I don't even
care what happened. The part that I don't like is
that it got out. That's the part that's weak to me, right.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
And so when you see now all of a sudden,
I mean it well, like stuff like oh man, Draymond
was wrong, Clay like a Draymond was wrong. It was like,
you know, it's a very unfortunate. Have you seen I mean,
you played eighteen years. Have you seen situation where players fight? Yes?
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Of course I've been in situations where things have gone down.
So the thing about it is like when you are
with somebody every single day, you're not going to get
along every day. Like when people have relationships or wives
or whatever. You're in the house with that person every
single day, you're not going to get along every day.
So like understanding that and not letting it go outside
(08:33):
of your houses.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
What's the most important thing? How hard is it to
feel something because we've never seen anything like Steph. Forget
the shooting, it's the perpetual emotion motion, be your ass Still.
The crazy part is like he shoots a lot of threes, right, yeah,
but he get a lot of layups to yes, and
that's what opens up the three ball. He's always on
the move and.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
He has players that can pass the ball, like dre
back in the day he had daily not David Lee.
Uh the biggest Australian guy. Oh oh, Andrew Andrew Bogan.
He was a really good pastor. You know so like
in Consett screens and Cossette screens, like people that are
sacrificed theirselves for a talent that is as good as him.
(09:18):
You need them. That's what allows him to be as
great as he is.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
We'll CEP three get the first ring when you get
an opportunity to get the championship in Golden State, No,
I don't.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Can't nobody fuck with Denver on the West to me,
especially right now Denver like the way that they moved
the ball. Yolkis being on their team, Coach Malone, Yeah,
their team is just like that.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Are you surprised he was so willing to come off
the bench because the guy has been to start his
whole career. You said he's a top seventy five player.
I think he's third all time and assists and he's like, Okay,
those are the sacrifice that you were talking about earlier
that you have to be willing to make career you
want to be a championship.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
The correct CP is one of those people that his
game can change with the situation, So I think that
I don't think it bothers him that he's coming off
the bench. I just think that if it's best for
the team, then he's willing to do that at this
point in his career.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Right. Give me you know, because you played with so
many great players. I kind of want to get the
mindset and bring out our viewing and listening audience into it.
CEP three in practice, Kobe in practice. CP three in
the game, Kobe in the game. Some of the similarity
to some of the differences. They both are ultra competitive.
(10:45):
CP will try to probably Kobe will try to beat
you and walk in to the locker room. CEP will
be right on his heels. Yeah, So they competitive and
everything we should. Who we play at table ta, if
we played.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Cards, everything, everything, They wanted to beat you everything.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Chris Paul also said, had you not gotten hurt in Houston,
he probably would have won the championship if he didn't.
I would agree with that.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
If he didn't get hurt when we were in Houston,
I feel like we had an opportunity to win. That
was we had like top five team in offense, top
ten in defense. You know, we shot a lot of
We had a lot of good players on our team,
shot a lot of threes.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
But yeah, I'm just trying to figure out how you
missed twenty seven, twenty six, twenty seven straight three? Though?
How you do that? I think you can't even try
to do that, you would It.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Was a cap on the It was a lid on
the on the rim because everybody was missing them.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Man, you remember the movie six Man.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Yeah, yeah, and uh bro was knocking the shots off
exactly what was happening.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Playing with stars? Obviously you're you're a blue guy, You're
one of the guys. I mean, everybody can't be a star.
Somebody has to take a role, you know, everybody can't
be the CEO of the bank. Somebody got to be
the custodium. Somebody got to be the cashiers, somebody got
to be the brand managers. How do you find your
role your niche in a team full of stars?
Speaker 2 (12:15):
So when you have or you playing with players that
are the star player or a superstar, you understand that
and in order, it just depends like on your mentality,
Like if you want to win, what's what's what's the
most important thing to you? And for me, it's winning.
Like I was a player that could kind of do
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a little bit of everything, and in order for me
to be on the court, I learned early that you
have to do something that's going to help you stay
on the court, right, and that was play defense, hit
open shots, dive on the floor, do all the shit,
all the things that people do not like to do
until like your situation changed. So for me, that situation
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just happened to be the role that I took on
in every team that I played on, and my idea
was just to be the best superstar I can be
in my role that I played.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Well, how difficult is it to deal with egos because
you play because the superstar no even he's here, and
they're only like a handful of those guys I'm talking about,
like true truth. And you played with Kobe, you played
with Lebron, obviously, you played with CP three, you played
with some other guys James Harden, But how difficult is
it to play with a guy that's like that?
Speaker 2 (13:32):
For me, and I can't speak for other people, but
for myself, it's easy because I feel like I got
my own ism, like I got my own thing that
I do I got my own friends, I got my
own everything right, and you know, going to play with
those type of individuals, they understand what I bring to
the table. So it's not a shot to my ego.
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It's actually a boost to my ego because I don't
have to try to fit in. I fit in because
I just fit in. How do you get comfortable in
your role?
Speaker 1 (14:03):
You're three in d guy once made three, made ten
threes in the game, but you were known for your defense.
What's the biggest key? Because not only must you try
to limit Lebron or limit James Harden, to limit one
of the Kuhi PG whomever, but you still they're still
going to ask you to knock down No. Three that
when you get that opportunity because this thing now you're
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spending so much energy because you know that you can
go get forty to fifty and you trying to limit
them as much as you possibly can while still maintaining
energy to be able to get that shot up and
knock it down.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
I think the mental toughness that's the part of the
game that is that you have to have that has
to be extremely high because you, like you said, you know,
you guarding somebody who could go off for fifty so
and they probably gonna get to the average no matter what.
It's just making the percentages go down that gives your
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team a chance to win. They're taking more shots to
get to the average, right and understanding that, you know,
all right, fool like he gonna get to his average,
but you just can't make it easy for him. Do
everything you can to make it as uncomfortable as possible.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
You've got the distinction of being the most traded player
in NBA history. How difficult is that on your family?
And then when did you're like damn again again? I
mean you like a military family, but you on the move, bro, Yeah,
I mean I was.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
I was doing what I love to do, right, and
they don't matter what Jersey it is or what city.
I looked at it as you know, somebody wanted me. No,
my family got to see different parts of the country
and I'm still playing at the top level and the
sport that I chose to play in.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
What was the best and the worst trade you experienced?
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Well, there was one time I got traded like four
times right in like a day or whatever. Yeah, but
I didn't go to none of the places, So I
think the best experience of being traded was a team
that wasn't going to use me. They allowed me the
opportunity to train and do the things that I needed
to do in the space that I was at, like
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with my family. So you know, I have a lot
of respect for that organization, for that team, and you know,
understanding you know, my age or whatever. They they they
they gave me the respect of allowing me to be
at home while they were looking for a place for
me to go.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
When you say you was traded four times in a day,
so how did that go? You're in your hotel room
two days or some shit. But anyway, so your agent says, okay,
you got traded in such and such, but sit tight.
You're probably not gonna go there. They're looking to move you,
and so you just sit and tire you like, damn,
I mean, it's nice to be wanted, But so what's
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what's going on in your head? What are you thinking?
Just waiting until I go to where I'm supposed to go? Right?
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Yeah, that's not like that's not a bruise to my ego,
you know, like this is this, it's sports. You know,
I'm still going to get a chance to compete. So
the guys that get caught up in that, they got
to be a little bit younger, because again, like the
older you get the longer, the longer you play, you
understand is a business. You know, we as the athlete,
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the young athlete, we looking at it as from the
love of the game, and as you get a little
bit older, you start to understand both sides of it.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Being from l A, obviously you love LA. What's outside
of LA. What's one of the couple of the best
cities that you lived in.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
I love Houston, Miami for sure, DC is great. New
York was great. Well, I mean you you live it.
They fifty state you live in like twelve them, right,
So I got to experience a whole bunch of things
not a lot of other people get to experience, and
I still got to do it first class.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Yeah. I read when you said that you were traveling
to Milwaukee, and I think, uh, Oklahoma City and you
experienced ghosts.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
But that's true, man, there was a hotel in Oklahoma
City discurving.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Yeah, that's true. And y'all still the team still stay there.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
I don't know if teams stay there now, but I
remember just laying on my bed. It had to be
like early, like getting in late. So it's early in
the morning. I'm laying on my bed. The lights are on,
everything is on. So I fall asleep on the bed,
fully closed. I ended up in the bed the lights off.
I was just I know I didn't do it.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
What but you were still closed though, right, Yes, they
take you.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Naked, but I was. I ended up in the bed
with the lights off.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Okay, give me your all time starting five based on
your team. He makes former teammates, So Kobe, Lebron, Dwight,
Howard Westbrook, Dame Mellow Book c P three, Tracy mcgarady,
Alas All, Penny Hardaway, and Stepan Mulbury started five.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Let me look at that list. Let me see there
with that all right, dot Kobe for show. Ye, I
saw these guys who start right, Yeah, all right, So
I'm gonna go with Kobe. I'm gonna go with Chris,
I'm gonna go with Pile.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
I'm gonna put Dwight in there, Okay. And you don't
got no four min in here on?
Speaker 1 (19:37):
No power? Yeah, Pile your four, Yeah, power for sure,
Dwight your five. Dwight.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
You missing the three three I didn't say Bron. No, Well, Bron,
that's it.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
And that's night, little squad. Do you think you let
me ask you a question? In their prime? You win
a championship with this team.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
In their prime? I don't think that team works?
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Wow? So Kobe Broad, d White, Pile and CP three,
you don't think it worked? No, Browny, Kobe, all of them? Well,
I mean Dwhite gonna block the shots, Gonna get you
some rebounds.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
I'm gonna want the ball.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
You want the ball? Yeah, okay?
Speaker 2 (20:15):
CP three pick and roll with Lebron, Kobe half the ball.
Kobe gonna have the ball. Lebron gonna have the rock.
So like they not who they are without the ball.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Right, So we're gonna sell a lot of ticket back
to go within the championship line. Of all the teammates
you had to have never won a ring? Who would
you like to give a ring to? Tracy McGrady, Penny,
CP three, Mellow grand Hill, you're gonna get one ring?
CP who else? T mac Tenny Mellow g Hill?
Speaker 2 (20:56):
I'm gonna go with CEP. Should rings matter in an
argument individual? No, they shouldn't matter if it's an individual talent.
Only in teams only only when you talking on the
concept of a.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Team, because can I give you my opinion, I believe
you can be great without having a ring, But to
be in the conversation for great tests, you've got to
have a ring.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Agree and disagree. You got to have a great team.
Only great teams win championships. There hasn't been one player
in the history of the NFL, NBA, NHL that has
won a championship by themselves, right, It just ain't happening.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
So are you willing to put Karl Malone if that's
the case, Because I think Karl Malone would be probably
the number one power forward had he won a couple
of championship But that distinction de Brone to Tim Duncan.
Tim Duncan is killer right.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
No, I mean again, like I said, there's too many
great players right to choose the greatest.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
As far as what you just told me, you said,
Jordan's in the lead by himself.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Because he pushed the game. He changed the game. People,
people all the shoes will wear it looked like Jordan.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Well you do know what Magic and Bird did because
they used to be games used to be on tape.
The lake. The NBA Finals was on tape the Lake.
They played it one day and you watched it later.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Yeah, Magic is killer too, Bird is killer.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
But I'm just so, so what is your definition? How
how would you define a great player? What? What's a
great player to you? What is it? Is it some numbers?
Is it all the NBA selections? Is it all Star?
Is it MB? Is it MVPs. I'm just we're talking
about just great players, no ring Because for me, like
I said, I believe in order to be into the
greatest conversation, you need titles preference.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
I guess for me, I like, I like mentality, I
like style, I like charisma, I like I like winners.
So for me, that's gonna be different than everybody else.
I want to say it like this, So so think
about this. Remember that year Cleveland and when was that
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Cleveland and Golden State played?
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Yeah, and I think bron led.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
The whole in all the staff.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Yes. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
That would be the one time somebody can say somebody
won a championship or what's the closest to winning a championship?
Yeah by saying right, and I don't even think they won.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
They didn't. They didn't. Ye did it? Well? He yeah,
he did well, yeah he did the year that was
twenty sixteen when he chased them down. I don't think
they won. They won twenty sixteenth. Yeah, he led in
tire finals in points, steel block shots.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Yeah, so like in that sense, that's like winning by yourself.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
You played with Dwight and Orlando, Houston, Washington, LA. Why
doesn't d how get the respect he deserves? Why doesn't
he get through? Yeah, we ain't gonna talk about what
what he got, what he got going on the field.
Let's let's sit that aside. Let's talk about the player
on the court.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Probably because I think he probably was a little bit
too goofy, like he played too much in my opinion.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
So like.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Everybody else don't understand that type of like personality when
they're thinking of greatness. I guess like it's different. Like
he has like the smile and he likes to like
laugh and get along. But you know, having a smile
and being a killer is you know, I don't know.
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The only person to get that off is Magic.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Yeah. What was he like in the locker room? Was
good teammate? He seemed like I mean, like you said,
he was very you know, fun, go outgoing, fun loving,
but I mean, the dude was was a twenty ten,
twenty ten, twenty fourteen guy. He was a three time
defensive consecutive Defensive Player of the Year. In his prime,
he was a top five player, finished second in the
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MVP voting. So they make it seem like the man was.
I can see if he laughing and joking and giving
you seven and eight. He laughing and joker give you
twenty fourteen with three and a half blocks.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
He's been disrespected completely for his talent and the things
that he's done to this game.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
How shocked though you John Wall, he has maned. He
went through it. I think he had like an acl
and then towards the ki Lees and then he lost
his mom. He had a stretch where he really went
through it. Yeah. Do you think his career is over?
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Nah, it's not. His career ain't over until he put
it down. But man, he had a rough goal at
You know, he had some years where it wasn't wasn't
you know, nobody everybody was struggling that situation right that
he went through, So where he is at this point
is unfortunate.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
There was a situation the Clippers locker room after game
and they confronted over the playoff. I mean what the
little toy was a little tun of somebody knew about
a secret passage? Did you know about that passage?
Speaker 2 (26:13):
I mean everybody that plays in the NBA, they knew
about the locker rooms are right there right?
Speaker 1 (26:20):
What about it? What? So? What set that off? Uh?
What set that off?
Speaker 2 (26:29):
There was an altercation or like, you know, words being
exchanged on the court, and uh, me and one of
my old teammates, we you know, we was talking to
each other. And then like again, remember I was talking
about like an outsider, Yeah, getting in in between family business.
That's the situation. So you're like, okay, yeah, and I
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didn't understand.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
I didn't You.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Didn't understand what you didn't do it? Yeah, I didn't
hear what he had to say. So you know, the
person that I am, I wanted to know what he
has to say.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Do you ever take it? Okay, in the heat of
the bottom, they're like, bam in your face, trail up,
take that. You know what you ain't guard beat? Do
you take that person? You say, Okay, we're just in
the game. No, Yeah, it's not.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Personal unless it's disrespectful. So, like there's a few trigger
words that become disrespectful, and.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
So then you like, hold on now, Okay, yeah you
got them two of them and now but come on now.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Yeah, no, it's it's it's cool. Like if that's what
you do, that's what you do. You know, I don't
take it personal because I understand you a basketball player,
right and this is basketball.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
But I remember I do remember this because Trey plays
with the Hawks. I'm from Georgia, lived at Atlanta, still got
a place there. He tried a big h you checked
the man. Yeah, you can let him all the globe try.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
To fuck Oh, we're not even in Like again, he's
he's unbelievable, right, And I and seeing them do it,
and I watched them gearing up to try to like
do it to me, and it was just reaction. It
wasn't like, you know, I'm like maybe to put me
on the highlight tape. No, it's not that. Just play
with your peers, you know.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
I'm that's yeah, that's not for me. You guarded Lebron,
you guarded Kobe. That's those are your assignment you going
into the game. What's your mindset going into the game.
You guarden Kobe? What's your mindset going into the game.
Guarden Lebron and what's your toughest match up? Well, Kobe
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will be the tougher match up. And Kobe is a
tougher matchup because he's way more relentless.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Bron is more like of He's relentless in a different way.
He's gonna make the right play. So bronill beat you up,
get into the paint and like kick it out, and
you're like, oh shit, what Kobe is? Kobe will beat
you up, getting a paint, pump fake you, pump fake you, spin,
pump fake you again, get you in the air, beat
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you up and one and one. Yeah, So yeah, that's
that's like complete embarrassment.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Players under twenty five. You want to build your team
around you got Zion, you got John It got some issue.
Anthony Edwards, Anthony, I would go go Luca chet Women, Yama, Tyrese, Haliburton, Mello,
k Cunningham.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
I like him, you love man. I love Anthony Edwards game.
He's called.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
He definitely seems like a different animal this year. He's
super called.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
He would be the first person I like Mellow LaMelo.
He's real good. Who else did you say? Luca Fluker
Luca's good. Luca's really good. Tyrese Haliburton Halliburn is really good.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
He's a score.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
You like that trade Halliburton from the Kings for oh
he's the point guard. Yeah, he's really good. He's he's
better than what I thought he was like initially. Uh,
he shoots from from deep. He he can pass the ball,
like really really well. I think I think you call
him one that trade. I think the one that trade
with the bonus bonus is.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
I mean, I like Sabonis, He's a triple double steen
seven one, can rebound, can score, can assist the basketball.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
I think Indiana won that trade too.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Yeah, yeah, they got him on that one.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
What are your thoughts on wimby Man? I don't think
I think that he is extraordinary. He's an extraordinary talent.
Somebody asked me that earlier. They but they compared him
to KD. Right as far as like scoring the ball,
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and like the way that I try to like explain it.
I try to say, like he's going to score the
ball because you know he's he's seventy four and he's
a guy on his team. The percentage is how you're
going to be able to tell on who could possibly
be the better player. So like, wait till the end
of the season, give you eighty two games, and the
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field goal percentage and the average would kind of determine
on who would kind of score more points?
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Right, would be better? Did you like the comparison with
Shaq said Winby is Bobo.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
I understood what he was saying completely, because Bobo got
super skilled. He's super talented. I mean I haven't been
around him as a teammate or seen him or you know,
been in a space where I can get an ear
to why he don't play, but I can see him
being similar like the times that he did play last year,
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or when he was in Orlando, you know, Lando than
he was with the Nuggets. He killed in Orlando, Like
the stretch that he played he was killing. So I
understand the comparison we talked earlier.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
You said a man is the best player, Then for you,
at man is the best player in the NBA. Give
me your top five players, top five.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Tatum under a certain age.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Again, the top five player.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
There's too many, Uh, I like book, I like I'm
gonna go young. I'm like, but I like Anthony Edwards, Luca.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Yo Yo Ki kd uh do you play with? I'm
knicks who I was gonna wonder if you what you
thought about him? So how do you think you'll do
in Houston? Because it seemed to have they playing, well,
that's a very young team.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Yeah. I like what he does. He comes like his
coaching background is as a a really good coaching background.
You know, they have principles, so you know how you say,
like the heat way where he comes from, they have
a way as well, right, So those core principles have
shown that they work throughout the years. They're timeless, and
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it seems like players like playing for him.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Are you Are you surprised that he was able to
get a second chance. I don't think. I don't think
what he did with a numper? I mean, oh he
did that? Look okay, fat that's between him and his partner.
They went on their separate ways. But he ain't killed.
Nobody come up? Did he do exactly? I mean, look,
look you know no, I don't know. Well, I mean anybody,
That's what I'm saying. So like what's saying what we
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say down south? He put his penis in his wallet?
That doubt what he did? I mean that that's what
we call it down south.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
So we have a saying where I don't know if
it's appropriate to say. We could be it out of necessary. Huh,
we could be it out if necessary. You stay out there,
they can pussy business, right.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Okay, that's phair enough, that's fair enough. Dylan Brooks, what
do you think of Brooks? Hard? Nos?
Speaker 2 (33:53):
I like his game. He played hard. He played hard
as hell. You played in the two biggest markets, New York,
l A. Which one you like the best?
Speaker 1 (34:02):
I'm Homer?
Speaker 2 (34:03):
You la threw it through Homer. But did you like
playing in New York? I love playing in New York.
I think I was too young to appreciate it completely.
But you know, being at home is home. Ooh, I
got one for you. He was second around draft pick
in two four. Who's the Becker? Who's the best second
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round draft pick of all time?
Speaker 1 (34:26):
For me? Yeah? Gilbert? Are you sure?
Speaker 2 (34:31):
I mean that's that's who came to my mind first?
Speaker 1 (34:33):
You do it. There's a two time MVP on the
finals MVP that within the second round, Yo, kitchen.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Oh, Yoki's just cold? Yokis is so called.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
I would let you. I'll let you change it again.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Change I'm gonna go Gilbert Gilbert is Gilbert is sick.
He just ain't winning Manus or the man New Yo Kitsch. Gilbert, Draymond,
Dennis rober, Mark Gasol. I'm not so sure, Dre gil
mcgil my guy. Yeah, but gil might be. He might
be thirty fourth on this list. I'm going with Gil.
I'm going with Gil for sure. What the rookie contract?
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You look at it, Look at the salaries.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Now, guys about to get a contract, Jason Taytam about
to get foe under the foe under mill.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
It's beautiful and he twenty five, so he's gonna get
another contract.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
So he might do a billion dollars in NBA contracts.
Are you surprised?
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Because I just remember what was it like five years
ago Mike Conley had the biggest contract, one hundred and
fifty one million. I'm not surprised. That means the game
is growing, and that's a beautiful thing. Like you always
want to see people behind you get better. Evolution is
always a good thing, right, What was some of your
best purchases? I mean, you come in as a rookie,
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your seventh round draft pick. You wouldn't a lottery pick,
so so what was what was one of your best
purchases one of your worst purchases.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
That's a rookie. Uh.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
I guess being able to get my mom a house.
That was the best feel good thing for me. Probably
the worst thing appreciating assets, jewelry, dumb ship.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Yeah, well so ever rookie, you know, you got to
take care but you got to take the vets out
where you take them and how much you see so
like for us, it was different.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
They just make us do well. I don't even know
if they do that now, But when I was a rookie,
we used to have to like grab the bags, help
the equipment manager take the bags off the plane. Uh
in every city carry people's bags and stuff. We have
to do that. But like I have vets. That was
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like super up, Like they were real rich, so they
would like, you know, I didn't. They didn't get no
issue out of me, so they would take care of me.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
The uh l A. There have been a lot a
lot of home invasions. There's been a lot of you know,
robberies with celebrity. How do you advise players to move
in la.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Don't be flashy, like keep your head on the swivel.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
At all times and keep your hair on igs because
they couldn't get it.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Stay off, I g especially if you're not if you're
not from here, right, try to stay as respectful as
you possibly can.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
Is that why you keep such a little profile.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
I just feel like I like to move in the
shadows period, right.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
Yeah, your younger brother passed away falling in a hotel room.
How did that impact trouble?
Speaker 2 (37:41):
My brother dying? I think it made me U It
helped me. It helped me more so than like it
hurt me. And that's whird. It sounds crazy, but it
allowed me to like pick up a ball and like
put my pain into all the basketball instead of the
other way, because it could have went the other way too.
(38:02):
That's probably that I got in a lot of trouble
when I was younger around that time. But basketball helped you, Coote.
Basketball definitely helped. It gave me an outlet to let
you know, all the emotions out.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
And dating advice, I mean haven't been eighteen years. You
mentioned you have three kids. Is there any advice that
you gave rookies or that you received from the best
when you got into the league that you later didn't
in turn passed along.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Stop lying. Be honest. You know, I feel like and
a position where you know you have everything that you
need or you want. It's no need for you to
lot to nobody. So just be honest with who you
are and what you're about, and people that like you
(38:52):
gonna like you.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
Anyway. I read that Terrell Lewens came to your Clipper trial.
Why was t O there? I mean, y'all played together,
y'all cool like that. I mean support system. Now you
know what's crazy? T Oh just is I feel like
he just loves the gym. He's a gym rat completely,
and uh he happened to be there at the time
and he was in there watching that was that was dope.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Teal swear he could he believe he could have played
in the NBA. He probably felt he probably could have
as he started a little bit earlier. He's super athlete.
He could do everything.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Was he good? I mean, I'm sure he like he
like he's been open run, he's played with some of
the players. You think he got a decent game.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
I think he got a really good game for a
professional athlete that played another sport.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
What NBA player you think if they would have started early,
could have played in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
Anthony Edwards. I like Anthony Edwards. How you like Brian?
What's next?
Speaker 1 (39:59):
What? What's next for Trouble Reason?
Speaker 2 (40:01):
What's next for me?
Speaker 1 (40:02):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (40:05):
I like to say that when you see it and
when you hear about it, then you're gonna do it. Yeah, silence,
super solid. People can't take shit from you when they
don't know about it.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
Yeah, Trouble Reason here, let's have a drink. Congress eighteen
years all the best bro st chairs.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
All my life, grinding all my life, sacrifice, hustle pa price,
Want a slice?
Speaker 1 (40:30):
Got the brother? Dis swap all my life. I'll be
grinding all my life.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
Yea, all my life, grinding all my life.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
Sacrifice, hustle back the price, Want a slice? Got the brother?
Dis swap all my life. I'd be grinding all my life.
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