November 21, 2023 • 39 mins
Mike Harmon and Kerry Rhodes update Monday Night Football between the Eagles and Chiefs. NFL Insider Jason La Canfora joins the guys for all the BIG headlines from around the league. And Jim Harbaugh’s locker room is a lot like his mom’s bathing suits, like to see them in one piece.
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Speaker 3 (00:29):
Here we are another beautiful Monday night. Monday Night football
underway week eleven in your National Football League season. As
we get to the holiday holiday holiday week. As it
took me forever to drive into work. If you're on
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off on some desert sojourn, perhaps trying to go in
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and find some peace and enlightenment or oh maybe an
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don't know. In his stead Carry Roads years in the
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a man about towns at Carrie twenty five Roads. Yes.
In the Twitter slash ex world, what's going on?
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Man, man, I was the one that cuts you off
in traffic, so I'm I'm a little on edge right now.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
And then I watched them close to you, But I
watched the guy then go back into the other lane
and do the same thing and almost rear end someone,
and I was like, what are you doing?
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Yeah, because I did. I didn't want you to think
it was personal. Yeah yeah, I want you to know
that I'm merelygal opportunists.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Yeah, yeay.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
I wanted to bump a few people in the way
because I knew it was gonna be a big day today,
Monday Night football going on a lot of stuff around
the NFL world and just the world in general.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
So excited to be here, brother, It's good to be
with you. Obviously, as we get going tonight, we've got
chiefs at Eagles Monday Night Football, ten twenty two remaining
in the third, a seventeen to seven lead for the
Chiefs defense getting it done. But you wouldn't expect even
with the seventeen points, like, oh, Patrick Mahomes, he's rolling
seventy eight yards, but does have two touchdown strikes, one
(02:24):
to Travis Kelcey and yes, Justin Watson. We keep waiting
for that other receiver to emerge. I placed some fantasy
wagers on him early in the season with some and
had him sitting on the ross for a while, but
then injuries start to mount and I can't wait anymore,
so he had to go on. Yeah, exactly six targets
for him that I three catches thirty three yards and
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to score Kelsey two for eleven and a score. But
it's the story of the defense that is making the
Eagles look pedestrian at best. A Jalen hurts five of
seven forty six yards and an interception. You do have
forty six yards and a touchdown on the ground from
DeAndre Swift, but when you get down to it, they're
making them look slow, ineffective. And it's coming out of
(03:06):
a bye week, so now we're looking at the Chiefs
defense and perhaps a little more respect on their name
because they came into the week tied for the fewest
points allowed per game with the forty nine Ers, who
everybody acknowledges and has said all along, look at this defense, right,
I think the Chiefs. Everybody's so enamored with the Mahomes
Kelsey and the offensive side of things kind of just
(03:27):
pushed it aside. Yeah that's cute, but it's in the end,
it's gonna be like, no, no, this defense is going
to keep them not only in games, but it's gonna
win them games. What it's all because let's talk about
playoffs right when we get to the plats. What do
you need? I need a defense to shut a team down?
And right now they're making Jalen Hurts look like a
jag just another guy. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
You know what's beautiful about this team right now is
they're they're winning in new ways. They're they're reinventing themselves
into a point now where again, defense is on the forefront.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
I mean.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
And also just not with the defense here, the running
game has been really well as well. They added that
to the mix with Pacheco and those guys. So you
know you said it hurts is only five for seven.
He's only had five seven attempts. So that means Kansas
City is keeping the ball, doing some ball control there
as they move on and being able to adapt their
game to what's going to happen right now, right And
(04:16):
I mean it's a wet day in Kansas City. It's
a little slippery, so running the ball is a little
bit more advantageous. And yeah, I mean if you can
win in this league no matter how, and you start
to find a new identity even as you're still winning,
that's that's a good thing.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
To be the man. You gotta beat the man. They
always say two point nine yards per play. Thus far
from Philadelphia, they just ran their twenty seventh play.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
You know, the biggest thing that happened for Kennessey that
just thought about it, it was the bringing after that
first game, bringing Jones back. Remember remember that he was
he was going to hold out and he was holding
out for a while, and they saw that first game
against Detroit was like, we should probably bring Jones back
and then say.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
You're shut things around, come to an agreement. We got
to get through this year. Let's make it work. And
looks most guys came back very quickly. Right, there was
the I made my statement. I don't know what you
really did, but you got there. In some cases, guy's
got a little bit more guaranteed money. Maybe they got
a handshake agreement of some incentives on the back end,
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and we'll take care of you, promises and all of that.
But you know, as we sit here tonight, we're watching
this defense fly around, and for Jalen Hurts, it's been
a difficult proposition. We're always still wondering about his knee
in a day, in a week, where Joe Burrow's injury
was such a big deal, right, and the investigation whatever
(05:42):
that becomes of how hurt was he was he? You know,
what was it? An injury that really precipitated what occurred?
Are those separate incidents, all of those things. But with
Jalen Hurts, we've been wondering about his knee for weeks
and he keeps playing, but when he's asked about it,
he gets terse, he walks away and leaves the podium
(06:03):
without saying a word about it. So that's one of
those all right, what's there? Like, what's real? And we've
seen him scramble about he's moving our right at times,
but it's a little more judicious and not the same
you know, play react that you're used to with him. Yeah,
he's not taking it to the house right now.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
You can see that he has a little ditch in
his step, and yeah, he's doing enough to move the
chains and play the way that Philadelphia wants to play,
still being a pseudo threat, so to speak, but he's
not the same right now. And we were talking off
air a little bit earlier about how I feel that
Philadelphia's offense has gotten really predictable, and you play a
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good defense like this and you start to be predictable,
and this is going to be the result. So I mean,
they're going to have to find a way to get
him healthy, and it doesn't look like that's going to
happen this year. But you know, Philly is one of
those teams that keeps finding the way to win, and
you know, they have a coach that's really aggressive, and
so they usually know going into the game they're going
to have four down to get the first down, which
is a little bit of an a bandits because I'm
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getting to throwd. In short, you know, you got two
opportunities to get it. So let's see how that progresses
moving forward. But yeah, Philadelphia is all tam that I'm
not as scared of. I know a lot of people
think they, you know, it could be the top team
or whatever, and that's to us, but I don't think
they are.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Yeah, you had a fourth and thirteen precipitating a punt,
then they had the touchdown drive, then they threw the
pick and then the punt was I mean so deep
in their own territory. So even there, you're not getting
guts and it was you know, fourth and seventeen exactly,
So you haven't you haven't seen those normal short yardage
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you know, brotherly shove or whatever else that we've had
and become so accustomed to to rolling out, you know,
to where you start imposing your will, because that's been
the Philadelphia identity. We've seen that with Baltimore for years.
Trying to shift it up a little bit, but they
still a bullet play bully ball with Gus Edwards when
it's at the end of the day, especially as the
(08:05):
months get colder. But it's funny you mentioned with with
Jalen Hurts right in terms of getting healthier, it's like
the only guy that's ever gotten healthier while playing was
Joe Burrow and that calf, which made no sense to me.
It makes no sense, but hey, so be it that.
That was fine and they were starting to find their way,
but now you have that injury that that casts their
(08:27):
season into harrol to be kind. So you know up
until this week, and we'll get deeper into the Steelers
as we go through carry. But you know, our buddy
Todd Furman out of Vegas the Bet the Board podcast
joins us we do the lines He had actually tweeted out,
I guess what kind of deal does Mike Tomlin have
with the devil Deshaun Watson gets hurt and then Joe
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Burrow gets hurt, Like all right, here you go and
then you go. And whatever that was against Cleveland, I
don't even know what to call that. I would have
rather watched a couple of street weeks of paint you
race on my wall, then watch that game. Yeah, Pittsburgh is.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
And I think a lot of people have recognized this
or said this along the way, the word six and
three now six and four team in football, right, But
again they found ways to win in the fourth quarter
with Kenny Pickett where he seems in the fourth quarter,
to learn how to play football, to learn how to
play quarterback as the game is that.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
You're not thinking about, like take me through that, right,
because we've seen that and that's been some of the justification.
And again, the Jets are on the table. We won't
kill it your former team, and Jason's not here, so
we don't have to beat that drum too much. But
it's it's the idea that Zach Wilson has had moments
where it's like, all right, there's competency, there's an arm
(09:43):
there's but it's t when he's not thinking and they're
just getting to the line and going as opposed to
slow it down, Let's try to go through process and
procedure instead of just playing fast, playing with your athletic
ability and your natural smarts.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
And what happens natural in those situations for a quarterback. Right,
if you're going to no huddle, the defense doesn't have
time with disguise number one, But they also don't have
chance to check into things that you're doing either, because
it's just you don't have the time. They don't know
when you're gonna snap the ball. So it makes for
the game to be simplified for the quarterback. So if
he sees two guys high, he knows his zone most
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of the times, right, so he can pick those things
out and identify them right away. Where if he's going
methodically and given the defense time to actually react to
you and get themselves in the best situation as well
and disguise, he's not going to have a chance. And
so I actually tweeted out yesterday about you know, everybody's
talking about Zach and how bad he is. Oh, warrant
warranted right like that he hasn't played well and the
(10:43):
numbers all bear it out.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Test. Yeah, but that offense is just not good all around.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
Like they don't protect, they don't they don't do any
variations of routes that confuses anybody.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
The scheme is bad.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
And so you're saying a guy that's an app quarterback
or below average or whatever whatever people's perception of him is,
you're telling him to go out there and make something
happen out of that, and it's just unfair to him.
And so I actually put out a tweet kind of
you know, in support of him, I mean saying that
he's a part of the problem. He's not the problem.
(11:18):
So it just sucks to see it. And then you
talk about like Kenny Pickett, he plays the same way.
When the game is a faster, he doesn't have to
think about it. You go, no huddle, give those chances,
Give those guys a chance to get one on one
coverages and and throw up big, big, big passes to
Pickens and those guys.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
But there's good. But at least he's got a bunch
of guys that you can pick from. Oh yeah, and say,
all right, I got I got a line of them.
With the Jets, you got Garrett Wilson was playing hurt
and you got Tyler Kankle. But I mean, Breecee Hall,
it's a passing downs. It's tough because he can't block.
You're not protecting anybody. I mean, it's bad. And the
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offensive line, what have they started? Fourteen fifteen different guys
at this point, call like you're just picking names out
of a hat. All right, you're the center this week,
let's go all right, not quite that bad. But that's
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week goes on, we're getting towards the midpoint of the
third quarter, still seventeen to seven. The Chiefs just punted
(12:40):
the ball back to the Eagles and other opportunity for
Jalen Hurts and company to see if they can get
any traction on this Kansas City defense. I've been enjoyed
watching them play over the course of the year, right
because they're on all of these marquee games and everything's
built up, and obviously have the Kelsey and Swift partnership,
right Amley's and Donna Kelsey's showing up. She's the latest
(13:03):
celebrity to go up and do some raising canes, fun
and all of that. But you know, and obviously everybody
was hoping that Taylor would be here. They've had some tragedy,
they've had some incidents with her tour overseas, so she's
still overseas finishing that part of things. Kelsey did find
the end zone towards the end of the first half.
But you know, when we watch the Chiefs and again
(13:24):
you're waiting for the offensive explosion, a checko as you
mentioned earlier, having himself a nice night over eighty yards now.
But it's really been the defense that's carried the day.
And there's something to me in an age where we're
talking about offense all the time. I find it cool
that we're talking about unders with regularity. We're talking about
defensive stands at the end of games. And we can
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take a team like the Chiefs that is one of
those marquee you know, Glamour, you know Team Beat Magazine
kind of teams with Kelsey and Mahomes, and we can say, no, no, no, no, no,
it's the guys up front on the defensive line and
here in that back seven that are making things happen.
I don't know. I like that little juxtaposition of what
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we've seen from all these years. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
No, I think the person that needs and deserves a
lot of credit inness situation also is Steve Spagnolia. He's
doing a hell of a diagno getting a dog with
defense over there, man, and so again. Yes, I think
good teams, and especially good teams that have a sustained
run of success, you have to reinvent yourself. You're not
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just gonna always be the greatest show on turf. It
just doesn't happen. You can talk about those New England
things back in the day where they won all the championships.
They were different, they won different ways every time.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Way.
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(15:16):
of the night, carry Rhodes Ron like Matt Damon playing
against John Malkovich and rounders. Check check, check, throw the Oreoles,
get mad all that stuff and then Finally, bam, there's
the big play down field of Devonte Smith, add the
brotherly shove. Twenty one seventeen Chiefs get the ball back
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thirty four seconds off the clock. Three plays, thirty four seconds.
Eagles with the ball back and on a first down,
Jalen Hurts with another big rushing effort, and now it
becomes the tick tick tick tick tick, and the ground
game of the Eagles going to work. Yeah, this is
what they do. This is what makes the Eagles, you know.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
One of those severely positive clutch teams, because once they
get the ball down, the stretch four minutes we like
to call the four minute drive is when an offense
can keep getting first downs, watching the clock run down
to zero and not put the defense back out there
(16:21):
again and just win the game that way. They're really
good at that, and they put themselves in the situation
most games where and most times in these four minute
drives to where it's always third and short, and then
they do the most hated play in the NFL right now,
the brother Lee shove, and just keep getting first downs.
And so it's gonna be a challenge for Kansas City
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to even get this ball back.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Well nine yards on that first down play followed by
the brotherly shove where it takes what fifteen seconds to
get everybody off the pile and get things moving forward
as well, So running clock down and after such a
great defensive effort, we started last hour talking about the
Chiefs and how they'd been able to slow it down,
(17:03):
how the clunkiness of the Eagles offense had been for
much of the night, a lot of screen passes, some
good blocking on the outside because he did have some
pretty good gains, and oftentimes you also got the hand
of a defensive lineman because you're running the same play
side to side, and then finally get the big strikedown
field from Hurtz and what it looked like a pedestrian
(17:25):
offensive effort now looks like, oh, we were geniuses biding
our time knowing we were going to eventually be able
to hit on a big play. And what's funny is, look,
the Chiefs have all but erased aj Brown tonight. They
had a shot to him in the end zone earlier
that fell in complete. But it's all been Devonte Smith.
The rapport he and Jalen Hurts have really something else.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
Yeah, Devonte Smith has been pretty good these last couple
of weeks. I think I thought the Eagles were going
to aj Brown a little bit too much in the
earlier season, and I think, you know, having Devonte's Smiths
step up here and add some balance to their offense
is gonna, you know, provide some dibodends moving forward for
this year. But we just got a big holding penalty
right here on the Eagles, which will probably a derail
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what they usually do in these situations where they just
keep matriculating down the field. Now it's second and twenty two,
when now it's a different story. Kansas City may have
another chance here to to try to score and win
this game.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Start getting behind the change second twenty two, three twelve
remaining clock tick tick tick hert slides down. Yep, keep
the clock rolling, make them decide whether they want to
use timeouts or not. The play clock and it is
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and that let me let's be segue to this, right.
We talked with Jason lock In for last hour. Obviously
he's out there in Baltimore and cover the Ravens, and
we talk about the importance of Mark Andrews. Yeah, Eagles
have themselves a damn fine tight end as well, and
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Dallas Goddard, who's unavailable. They're hoping to get him back
down here for the stretch run. But when you take
a guy like that out of an offense, who's so
pivotal to making things happen and sucking up so much
space in the middle, you know, as a defense is
what does that do in your preparations when all of
a sudden you take out eighty eight, you take out
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Mark Andrews, and suddenly it's like, all right, how are
we devising our schemes against these other receivers, because it's
gonna be a completely different look.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Yeah, no, it's It's interesting because I think especially in
this Daan and age now, where the tight ends are
so good, I mean, and tight ends throughout the no
throughout history have been key contributors and people that you
have to you know, you got a game plan for
But I know in my days playing in playing I
I relish that match up myself individually. So I would
(19:55):
go into a game if we had a really good
tight end that week, I would take him one one
and I would tell coach he's not He's not going
to be the reason we're going to lose.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
So I think you've you've lost a little bit of
that in.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
This day and age now where you can't be as
physical with the with the tight ends or receivers in general, you.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Can't touch them anymore.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
So I think that's what made the tight end position
such a valuable position now because I mean they're calling
illegal contact, they're calling holding on things, where back in
my day we could be a little bit more physical.
So they're big, their matchup problems. You can't put a
cover guy on them. You can't put a corner on
them because they're too big, and you can't put a
safety linebacker because they're usually a little bit more athletic
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athletic than they are and just use their big bodies
to position. So they're they're they're nightmare matchups man, and
you have to game plan for them, especially deep in
the red zone where a lot of those tight ends
like the Kelsey's de Andrews.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
They make their living. Now, let me ask you this
uh flowing flowing out of that, how early in the
game as a dB did you know how the officials
were gonna call it? I mean we've got past, you know,
performances data, just like we do on players, right of
what tendencies are, et cetera. But game to game, you
know this is going to be a little bit of
a feel. You know, you're the Jets and you're you're
playing say a rival team or a team that's known
(21:11):
for from Gronkowski or somebody like that. Right you're playing,
how much you do you think you're How early do
you know whether you're going to be able to get
away with a little pushing and shoven or if the
tiki tac might be around them? Well, it's not even early.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
We know before the game we can look at whoever's
going to be the crew that week and know what
they like to call. So when I was in New York,
when Man Genie, we would literally, I mean we were
so analytical and we were so thoroughed with everything. We
would know who the officiating crew was and knew what
they were, what they were prone to throw what they
were heavy on calling, and you know, so you kind
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of had that awareness going into the game year before.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Yeah, so you've got the awareness though, but you still
got to be aggressive, especially if you're facing ground cows. Sure, yeah,
yeah right, because your bulldoze you. Yeah right, it's one
of those all right, how do we manage this knowing
he's going to be physical and make sure we don't
get caught with an arm extended trying to fend him
off and those kinds of things.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Well, what we like to do in those situations is
we would have whoever the rusher was to that side
be physical with them at the line so they don't
call it. They're usually close close up, you get your
five yards in theory exactly. So we would let those
guys bruise them up, chip them up, and kind of
throw them off of his trajectory of his route. And
so that would help us a lot. But again, I mean,
(22:28):
I'm gonna be a little handsy anyway. A lot of
those guys, as long as you keep them close, A
lot of times they would you know, in my day,
let that go a little bit. But yeah, you got
to be physical with those guys. They do the same thing.
They their big bodies. Look at them. He's just shielding
the guy out right now, Kelsey drops it. But they're
really good at using their bodies, and I think the
tight end position is that's why it's such a hard
position to cover.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
What what a turn of events there on a third
and two to eighteen remaining Kelsey with what was pretty
easy passed to the outside, look like he gets away.
He's got some green in front of him instead right
off the fingertips. Now on fourth and two, uh Mahomes
is able to come right back to him as they're
working to get a snap off ahead of the two
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minute warning. But one of those, like we've seen a
couple of players Kelsey right and he and he catches
another ball now out to the thirty four. But there's
just been a couple of those. We saw the fumble earlier,
trying to make something extra happen, and now trying to
see with a two minute warning. I mean, how does
a guy keep getting open like that? That's that's the
(23:31):
million dollar question. It helps, the roughs are on your side,
It does help. It helps a little bit. Yeah, I
was gonna say, don't don't sit there like the chiefs
don't get every damn call. It sounds like he's speaking
from experience here. He he's a guy in division. He
knows this. I've had enough of it, Carrien.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
He's mad as hell and he's not gonna take it
any more.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
No, it's uh, he's the thing that he does really well. Yes,
he does push off a lot, and like I talked
about earlier, those tight ends are are giving a little leeway,
a little bit more leeway than we are defensively to uh,
to be physical. So you know he does that. But
he's also a really smart guy. Him and the h
the rapport that him and Mahomes have, it's just finding
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those little.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
What greg Kowski used to do. It's the same thing, right,
How is that guy finding so much space? But it's
you know that little little steps keep working, Let's.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
Keep moving a little manipulation of the defense and just
find those holes in those zones. And and Brady and
Mahomes know that they can trust them to find that spot.
And it's just it's that. And you talk about Lamar
and Mark Andrews too, the same They just they so.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
That as a defensive back, though, you guys have done
your job right, to a man. Your corners use safeties
you've got, you've all done your job, but they buy
just enough time on that offensive line that Gronkowski or
Kelsey or one of these guys finds that little space,
like even the Patriots taking Welker or one of those
other games. Right, same thing. Not necessarily a big play downfield,
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but just enough to move the sticks, keep the sticks moving,
sit down, right, hankwa Bolda was the best post up receiver. Yeah,
perhaps in the game, right, just I know where the
sticks are and I'm just gonna box out and find
my space. Dude. It's it's it's annoying, but it's also like.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
You have to give them credit sometimes and I'm just saying,
of course, yes exactly, like it's well, you got us displayed.
But the thing about Brady and those guys in those
times when we were playing, and it's similar to my
homes and a lot of the great ones, is it
doesn't matter how good you play. For most of the game.
Where they make they where they make their hay is
(25:45):
right before the halves, and so the game would be
seven three or ten seven, and you feel like you're
in the game and you're competing and you're doing well
and you're you're you're bottling it, you're bollowing them up
a little bit, and you feel good about it. It'll
be fifty eight seconds before they have and every time
they would score, and just from being ten to seven
(26:08):
and feeling good about yourself to being seventeen to seven
and knowing that they get the ball, the kickoff the
second half and next thing you know, it's twenty to seven.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
It just is demoralizing.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
And I think that's the word that would probably come
with no guys that have that rapport and know that
in it's two minute drill, we can't hide it, we
can't disguise, and they just know exactly what are going
with it.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
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Speaker 3 (26:39):
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what did they do? They said, harmon take that slap,
takes out of data exactly seven play sixty one yards,
two fifty three off the clock. Jalen hurts on the
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QB draw ten yards for the score seventeen to fourteen.
Now as we play deep into the third quarter. Joining
us now on the hotline as he does each and
every week, talking all things NFL Week eleven, Our buddy,
Jason locking for at Jason locking for a one oh
five seven the Fan in Baltimore, Washington Post NFL Insider Jason,
(27:45):
Happy Holiday week, buddy, How are you? Eh?
Speaker 5 (27:47):
Happy Thanksgiving? Hope everybody's doing well out there in La Lan.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Yeah, we're hustling along the sidewalks and streets replete with
cars and everything. But they got the ten backup after
that fire, so everybody decided there. As we go through
the games of week eleven, some good, some bad, some
ugly as always. But you know, since Smith isn't here,
I'll ask the obvious question, Tim Boyle, let's go, come on,
(28:13):
it's time.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
Yeah, come on, man, it's so mismanaged and it doesn't
you know, I don't know what they think it's going
to accomplish now, and I don't know why, you know,
when there's people out there that we've talked about this
they could have acquired before the deadline. There's so many
different ways they could have handled us. I mean, why
(28:35):
Zach Wilson was back in their building in the first
place was asked, Like the idea that Aaron Rodgers is
going to take him under his wing and turn him
into something like that's as ridiculous as thinking Nathaniel Hackett
deserves to be calling place for you, like with jack Assery,
you know, like, and Zach Wilson is not going to
be anybody starting quarterback and he's not going to win
games in the NFL for anybody, and nobody else would
(28:56):
have Nathaniel Hackett in the role that he's in. And
Aaron Rodgers will come back next year and he won't
make it through the season again, And like it is
what it is. The offensive line is a joke. I
mean they're an abject failure. I mean they've scored four
fewer offensive touchdowns than anybody in the league. Like they've
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they've got the lowest third down conversion percentage in this
league this deep in the season, in twenty years. Like
you know, it's it's deck chairs on the Titanic, like whatever.
You know, it's not Jacoby Brissett. It's not Josh Dobbs.
You know it's not you know, they don't even have
a Heinikey type. They don't have a Gardner Minshew like
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they've got their they got the lesser, they got worse
than to Vito quarterback in New York.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
Come on, Jason, Hey, it is what it is.
Speaker 5 (29:54):
I mean, my god, they're killing me making me watch
that stuff.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
I know it's bad, no, but it's I have to
like really do this diversion to get away from this
sick filling in my stomach right now, to get the Jets.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
But uh, I want to talk about somebody on the West.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
Coast, and it's it's a team that has so much
potential going into every year, so much talent, and you
always want to say this year is their year, but
they never seem to be able to get it done.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
The la charge. You were going to call him, but
I caught it. The la charges.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
All right, let's talk about let's talk about Staley and
him finally showing some kind of emotion. I guess I
don't know good or bad, but let's talk about that
a little bit.
Speaker 5 (30:38):
Well, I mean it's it's emotion, but it's emotion, you know,
that's most sort of this role about himself. I mean,
and then at the same time kind of selling Keenan
Allen to the like, who's been a bigger warrior for
that franchise than him. You're going to bring up a drop,
I mean, all the plays he's made, on the things
(30:58):
he's played through. This guy is self aggrandizing, He's self mythologizing.
The worst part about Brandon Staley is he believe his
own press clippings. I mean, it's you're talking to fraud
to the NS degree, like, and now he's going to
come out and act like, how dare you ask me
again about the defensive play calling when they Jordan Love
(31:19):
looks like Aaron Rodgers, you know, like everybody who plays
them has a career game, Like what maybe it is you?
You know, how come these players who they finally started
spending money to keep, how come so few of them
are playing up to their pay grade. You know that
you got a best to breed safety, you got the
(31:40):
best to breed pass rusher. You added another booke then
pass rusher. You've paid some tackles. You know, you drafted
a left tackle super high, like you paid the quarterback.
You've paid some receivers. You kept the running back around.
And this is what it is. His defense has never
been any good. No, they can't blame injuries anymore. And
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he's gone, like I guess spent us away to the
end of the year because that's just I guess sort
of how they ride. Although didn't they fire Mike McCoy
in season anyway, whatever, Like it's over and he's over,
and I'm sure McVeigh or somebody will thill him a
bone and he'll be somebody's decoordinator. But he's got a
(32:27):
long way to go to get anywhere close to the
boy genius sort of, you know press clippings that were
surrounding him three years ago.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Now we know the Spanos is like the McCaskey Hallis family.
They don't like to pay people to go away. Will
Josh Harris do that for the final several games with
Ron Rivera or is he gonna wait it out?
Speaker 2 (32:49):
He should?
Speaker 5 (32:49):
I mean, sometimes these guys don't like their first move
to be something that high profile, you know, the something
where you're letting go a guy who look veris done
a horrible job there as a head coach, and he
was woefully, painfully miscast as their version of you know,
Bill Belichick, like he's got no business being in personnel whatsoever,
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let alone overseeing an entire franchise. But he's a good dude,
and you know, Harris is very I think sort of
his antennas are up in general. He's replacing a guy
who was despicable, and the last thing he wants to
be seen, as you know, as somebody who comes in
and fires people, even if it's incredibly warranted. So I
(33:32):
don't know. I mean, if Dallas destroys them on Thanksgiving,
you certainly could. I mean Jack del Rio should be
going with him, right and then do you give you
know what I mean, does the enemy take over as
the interim I mean, he certainly could. Obviously there's some
issues offensively as well, but the more significant, more profound
weekly issues have been defensively. And Sam Howe has a
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you know, he looks he's going to play in this
league for a long time. We'll see how good of
a starter he is. But I mean, look, they're going
to have a new head coach and a new front
office structure next year.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
Yeah, me and Mike were talking off air Jason about
possible candidates to take over that job in Washington, right,
And so I mean my feel and you know, with
the new regime there in the front office and the
owners and all those you know, people that like the show,
you know, I e. My Magic Johnson, right, I could
see them bringing in, you know, you know, a person
(34:30):
of color, right to kind of lead that lead that
team moving forward. I don't think it's the enemy. But
is there any hot, hot coaches, any any hot picks
out therefore a head coaching vacancy right now?
Speaker 5 (34:44):
Yeah, I mean certainly, And there seemed to be most
talking to some people this morning about it. I think
this could be a year where the things skew to
the defensive side. The offensive staffs have been so picked apart,
and scoring is down and red zone offenses are bad
and nobody has enough offensive lineman and everybody's running out
of quarterback, so it's hard to have that sexy next
(35:06):
guy up on offense. You know, the McVeigh Shannah Entre
has been picked bone dry. I mean, if you want
to put a Press Taylor out there or somebody like that,
you know, I guess you could, you know, a West
Phillips and the younger offensive coordinators. But I think it's
it's the guy who's gonna have his pick of all
the jobs is Ben Johnson with the Lions, and I
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would not be surprised if he ended up with the Chargers.
If they don't get an experience coach, I would think
they're going to go offense, and he would be the
main guy. I think Brian Flores is absolutely doing a
job there in Minnesota. He definitely deserves a second opportunity,
and I think, yeah, I think there's probably a lot
(35:48):
of people in the league office with that lawsuit going on,
who would be doing backflips and cartwheels right if Brian
Flores was an NFL head coach, and I'm guessing it
would that thing would kind of go away, or it
would certainly tentor of it, I would think would maybe
change to some degree. Either way, Brian Flores absolutely deserved
strong consideration. And again I've looked at every every coaching
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staff in the league and kind of started highlighting people,
and he absolutely should be up there. Steve Wilkes. Steve
Wilkes kept in Carolina. I mean that things come on.
That thing's a joke, like he had no quarterback last year,
not the first overall pick, and they came one BS
call on DJ Moore taking his helmet off from went
in the division. Like, so, yeah, I hope people keep
(36:34):
an open mind. But I also you have covered this
league long enough to know that billionaires are going to
billionaire and systemic racism was going to systemic racism.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
Yeah, Wilts was the name that I had scribbled down of.
All right, remember how he got screwed in Arizona as well,
Jason Locker for our guest here Odyssey one five seven,
the Fan Washington Post at Jason lock and for where
you find him on Twitter. All right, Earlier today you
had John Harbor expressing optimism about Mark Andrews coming out
(37:03):
of that win on Thursday night. How optimistic are you?
Speaker 5 (37:06):
I mean not very you know, John always skews positive,
and he's going to keep any door, you know, as
a jar as possible, even if it's unlikely. But I
think they'd have to go very deep in the playoffs
for it even to be a consideration, And even then
there would be a lot of boxes that would have
to be checked, and they won't in a look until
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he undergoes this procedure. You don't ever fully know sure,
but they have to operate as if he's not going
to play this year. I'd be shocked if he does
play this year. And it's pretty amazing. He in his
career has thirty three touchdowns from Lamar Jackson, and Lamar
has thrown twelve interceptions when he's targeted Mark Andrews. Of
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everybody else on this Ravens roster right now, they have
a combined eighteen touchdowns from Lamar Jackson and fourteen picks
when he throws to anybody else, including like six to
Rashad Bateman alone. So yeah, they got they got a
lot of things to figure out here. They're a really
good team to win a lot of regular season games,
but go look at the last fifteen years of the
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teams that have represented the AFC in the Super Bowl
and then go look who their tight end is. With
the exception of Owen Daniels that one year with Denver,
they're all dudes like they were guys who were perennial
Pro Bowlers. A lot of them were perennial All pros.
Several of them are going to Canton as first Ballots
Hall of Famers. It's a hard road in the AFC.
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I would argue that the tight end. You see people
talk all the time, right, no team has had a
top five highest paid running back who's won a Super
Bowl in forever. And all these teams that traded for
wide receivers and paid them, you know, none of them
have won a Super Bowl. Well yeah, well guess who
does win Super Bowls? Top five tight ends, they're in
them all the time, and I think it's it's going
(38:56):
to be something that is very difficult for the Ravens
to overcome when you have to win week after week
after week against good defenses.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
In January and February, Frostburg said, as long as there's
no miracle cure to get him on the field for
Sunday night, it's okay.
Speaker 5 (39:10):
Yeah, Well, you.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
Go see Aeron or Rodgers guy I don't know, all right, Jason,
have a heavy Thanksgiving thanks, as always for the insight
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Speaker 3 (00:29):
Here we are another beautiful Monday night. Monday Night football
underway week eleven in your National Football League season. As
we get to the holiday holiday holiday week. As it
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In the Twitter slash ex world, what's going on?
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Man, man, I was the one that cuts you off
in traffic, so I'm I'm a little on edge right now.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
And then I watched them close to you, But I
watched the guy then go back into the other lane
and do the same thing and almost rear end someone,
and I was like, what are you doing?
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Yeah, because I did. I didn't want you to think
it was personal. Yeah yeah, I want you to know
that I'm merelygal opportunists.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Yeah, yeay.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
I wanted to bump a few people in the way
because I knew it was gonna be a big day today,
Monday Night football going on a lot of stuff around
the NFL world and just the world in general.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
So excited to be here, brother, It's good to be
with you. Obviously, as we get going tonight, we've got
chiefs at Eagles Monday Night Football, ten twenty two remaining
in the third, a seventeen to seven lead for the
Chiefs defense getting it done. But you wouldn't expect even
with the seventeen points, like, oh, Patrick Mahomes, he's rolling
seventy eight yards, but does have two touchdown strikes, one
(02:24):
to Travis Kelcey and yes, Justin Watson. We keep waiting
for that other receiver to emerge. I placed some fantasy
wagers on him early in the season with some and
had him sitting on the ross for a while, but
then injuries start to mount and I can't wait anymore,
so he had to go on. Yeah, exactly six targets
for him that I three catches thirty three yards and
(02:44):
to score Kelsey two for eleven and a score. But
it's the story of the defense that is making the
Eagles look pedestrian at best. A Jalen hurts five of
seven forty six yards and an interception. You do have
forty six yards and a touchdown on the ground from
DeAndre Swift, but when you get down to it, they're
making them look slow, ineffective. And it's coming out of
(03:06):
a bye week, so now we're looking at the Chiefs
defense and perhaps a little more respect on their name
because they came into the week tied for the fewest
points allowed per game with the forty nine Ers, who
everybody acknowledges and has said all along, look at this defense, right,
I think the Chiefs. Everybody's so enamored with the Mahomes
Kelsey and the offensive side of things kind of just
(03:27):
pushed it aside. Yeah that's cute, but it's in the end,
it's gonna be like, no, no, this defense is going
to keep them not only in games, but it's gonna
win them games. What it's all because let's talk about
playoffs right when we get to the plats. What do
you need? I need a defense to shut a team down?
And right now they're making Jalen Hurts look like a
jag just another guy. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
You know what's beautiful about this team right now is
they're they're winning in new ways. They're they're reinventing themselves
into a point now where again, defense is on the forefront.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
I mean.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
And also just not with the defense here, the running
game has been really well as well. They added that
to the mix with Pacheco and those guys. So you
know you said it hurts is only five for seven.
He's only had five seven attempts. So that means Kansas
City is keeping the ball, doing some ball control there
as they move on and being able to adapt their
game to what's going to happen right now, right And
(04:16):
I mean it's a wet day in Kansas City. It's
a little slippery, so running the ball is a little
bit more advantageous. And yeah, I mean if you can
win in this league no matter how, and you start
to find a new identity even as you're still winning,
that's that's a good thing.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
To be the man. You gotta beat the man. They
always say two point nine yards per play. Thus far
from Philadelphia, they just ran their twenty seventh play.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
You know, the biggest thing that happened for Kennessey that
just thought about it, it was the bringing after that
first game, bringing Jones back. Remember remember that he was
he was going to hold out and he was holding
out for a while, and they saw that first game
against Detroit was like, we should probably bring Jones back
and then say.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
You're shut things around, come to an agreement. We got
to get through this year. Let's make it work. And
looks most guys came back very quickly. Right, there was
the I made my statement. I don't know what you
really did, but you got there. In some cases, guy's
got a little bit more guaranteed money. Maybe they got
a handshake agreement of some incentives on the back end,
(05:22):
and we'll take care of you, promises and all of that.
But you know, as we sit here tonight, we're watching
this defense fly around, and for Jalen Hurts, it's been
a difficult proposition. We're always still wondering about his knee
in a day, in a week, where Joe Burrow's injury
was such a big deal, right, and the investigation whatever
(05:42):
that becomes of how hurt was he was he? You know,
what was it? An injury that really precipitated what occurred?
Are those separate incidents, all of those things. But with
Jalen Hurts, we've been wondering about his knee for weeks
and he keeps playing, but when he's asked about it,
he gets terse, he walks away and leaves the podium
(06:03):
without saying a word about it. So that's one of
those all right, what's there? Like, what's real? And we've
seen him scramble about he's moving our right at times,
but it's a little more judicious and not the same
you know, play react that you're used to with him. Yeah,
he's not taking it to the house right now.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
You can see that he has a little ditch in
his step, and yeah, he's doing enough to move the
chains and play the way that Philadelphia wants to play,
still being a pseudo threat, so to speak, but he's
not the same right now. And we were talking off
air a little bit earlier about how I feel that
Philadelphia's offense has gotten really predictable, and you play a
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good defense like this and you start to be predictable,
and this is going to be the result. So I mean,
they're going to have to find a way to get
him healthy, and it doesn't look like that's going to
happen this year. But you know, Philly is one of
those teams that keeps finding the way to win, and
you know, they have a coach that's really aggressive, and
so they usually know going into the game they're going
to have four down to get the first down, which
is a little bit of an a bandits because I'm
(07:04):
getting to throwd. In short, you know, you got two
opportunities to get it. So let's see how that progresses
moving forward. But yeah, Philadelphia is all tam that I'm
not as scared of. I know a lot of people
think they, you know, it could be the top team
or whatever, and that's to us, but I don't think
they are.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Yeah, you had a fourth and thirteen precipitating a punt,
then they had the touchdown drive, then they threw the
pick and then the punt was I mean so deep
in their own territory. So even there, you're not getting
guts and it was you know, fourth and seventeen exactly,
So you haven't you haven't seen those normal short yardage
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you know, brotherly shove or whatever else that we've had
and become so accustomed to to rolling out, you know,
to where you start imposing your will, because that's been
the Philadelphia identity. We've seen that with Baltimore for years.
Trying to shift it up a little bit, but they
still a bullet play bully ball with Gus Edwards when
it's at the end of the day, especially as the
(08:05):
months get colder. But it's funny you mentioned with with
Jalen Hurts right in terms of getting healthier, it's like
the only guy that's ever gotten healthier while playing was
Joe Burrow and that calf, which made no sense to me.
It makes no sense, but hey, so be it that.
That was fine and they were starting to find their way,
but now you have that injury that that casts their
(08:27):
season into harrol to be kind. So you know up
until this week, and we'll get deeper into the Steelers
as we go through carry. But you know, our buddy
Todd Furman out of Vegas the Bet the Board podcast
joins us we do the lines He had actually tweeted out,
I guess what kind of deal does Mike Tomlin have
with the devil Deshaun Watson gets hurt and then Joe
(08:49):
Burrow gets hurt, Like all right, here you go and
then you go. And whatever that was against Cleveland, I
don't even know what to call that. I would have
rather watched a couple of street weeks of paint you
race on my wall, then watch that game. Yeah, Pittsburgh is.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
And I think a lot of people have recognized this
or said this along the way, the word six and
three now six and four team in football, right, But
again they found ways to win in the fourth quarter
with Kenny Pickett where he seems in the fourth quarter,
to learn how to play football, to learn how to
play quarterback as the game is that.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
You're not thinking about, like take me through that, right,
because we've seen that and that's been some of the justification.
And again, the Jets are on the table. We won't
kill it your former team, and Jason's not here, so
we don't have to beat that drum too much. But
it's it's the idea that Zach Wilson has had moments
where it's like, all right, there's competency, there's an arm
(09:43):
there's but it's t when he's not thinking and they're
just getting to the line and going as opposed to
slow it down, Let's try to go through process and
procedure instead of just playing fast, playing with your athletic
ability and your natural smarts.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
And what happens natural in those situations for a quarterback. Right,
if you're going to no huddle, the defense doesn't have
time with disguise number one, But they also don't have
chance to check into things that you're doing either, because
it's just you don't have the time. They don't know
when you're gonna snap the ball. So it makes for
the game to be simplified for the quarterback. So if
he sees two guys high, he knows his zone most
(10:21):
of the times, right, so he can pick those things
out and identify them right away. Where if he's going
methodically and given the defense time to actually react to
you and get themselves in the best situation as well
and disguise, he's not going to have a chance. And
so I actually tweeted out yesterday about you know, everybody's
talking about Zach and how bad he is. Oh, warrant
warranted right like that he hasn't played well and the
(10:43):
numbers all bear it out.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Test. Yeah, but that offense is just not good all around.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
Like they don't protect, they don't they don't do any
variations of routes that confuses anybody.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
The scheme is bad.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
And so you're saying a guy that's an app quarterback
or below average or whatever whatever people's perception of him is,
you're telling him to go out there and make something
happen out of that, and it's just unfair to him.
And so I actually put out a tweet kind of
you know, in support of him, I mean saying that
he's a part of the problem. He's not the problem.
(11:18):
So it just sucks to see it. And then you
talk about like Kenny Pickett, he plays the same way.
When the game is a faster, he doesn't have to
think about it. You go, no huddle, give those chances,
Give those guys a chance to get one on one
coverages and and throw up big, big, big passes to
Pickens and those guys.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
But there's good. But at least he's got a bunch
of guys that you can pick from. Oh yeah, and say,
all right, I got I got a line of them.
With the Jets, you got Garrett Wilson was playing hurt
and you got Tyler Kankle. But I mean, Breecee Hall,
it's a passing downs. It's tough because he can't block.
You're not protecting anybody. I mean, it's bad. And the
(11:56):
offensive line, what have they started? Fourteen fifteen different guys
at this point, call like you're just picking names out
of a hat. All right, you're the center this week,
let's go all right, not quite that bad. But that's
along the lines of where we're at. Hey, if you
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week goes on, we're getting towards the midpoint of the
third quarter, still seventeen to seven. The Chiefs just punted
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the ball back to the Eagles and other opportunity for
Jalen Hurts and company to see if they can get
any traction on this Kansas City defense. I've been enjoyed
watching them play over the course of the year, right
because they're on all of these marquee games and everything's
built up, and obviously have the Kelsey and Swift partnership,
right Amley's and Donna Kelsey's showing up. She's the latest
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celebrity to go up and do some raising canes, fun
and all of that. But you know, and obviously everybody
was hoping that Taylor would be here. They've had some tragedy,
they've had some incidents with her tour overseas, so she's
still overseas finishing that part of things. Kelsey did find
the end zone towards the end of the first half.
But you know, when we watch the Chiefs and again
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you're waiting for the offensive explosion, a checko as you
mentioned earlier, having himself a nice night over eighty yards now.
But it's really been the defense that's carried the day.
And there's something to me in an age where we're
talking about offense all the time. I find it cool
that we're talking about unders with regularity. We're talking about
defensive stands at the end of games. And we can
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take a team like the Chiefs that is one of
those marquee you know, Glamour, you know Team Beat Magazine
kind of teams with Kelsey and Mahomes, and we can say, no, no, no, no, no,
it's the guys up front on the defensive line and
here in that back seven that are making things happen.
I don't know. I like that little juxtaposition of what
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we've seen from all these years. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
No, I think the person that needs and deserves a
lot of credit inness situation also is Steve Spagnolia. He's
doing a hell of a diagno getting a dog with
defense over there, man, and so again. Yes, I think
good teams, and especially good teams that have a sustained
run of success, you have to reinvent yourself. You're not
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just gonna always be the greatest show on turf. It
just doesn't happen. You can talk about those New England
things back in the day where they won all the championships.
They were different, they won different ways every time.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Way.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
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of the night, carry Rhodes Ron like Matt Damon playing
against John Malkovich and rounders. Check check, check, throw the Oreoles,
get mad all that stuff and then Finally, bam, there's
the big play down field of Devonte Smith, add the
brotherly shove. Twenty one seventeen Chiefs get the ball back
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thirty four seconds off the clock. Three plays, thirty four seconds.
Eagles with the ball back and on a first down,
Jalen Hurts with another big rushing effort, and now it
becomes the tick tick tick tick tick, and the ground
game of the Eagles going to work. Yeah, this is
what they do. This is what makes the Eagles, you know.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
One of those severely positive clutch teams, because once they
get the ball down, the stretch four minutes we like
to call the four minute drive is when an offense
can keep getting first downs, watching the clock run down
to zero and not put the defense back out there
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again and just win the game that way. They're really
good at that, and they put themselves in the situation
most games where and most times in these four minute
drives to where it's always third and short, and then
they do the most hated play in the NFL right now,
the brother Lee shove, and just keep getting first downs.
And so it's gonna be a challenge for Kansas City
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to even get this ball back.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Well nine yards on that first down play followed by
the brotherly shove where it takes what fifteen seconds to
get everybody off the pile and get things moving forward
as well, So running clock down and after such a
great defensive effort, we started last hour talking about the
Chiefs and how they'd been able to slow it down,
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how the clunkiness of the Eagles offense had been for
much of the night, a lot of screen passes, some
good blocking on the outside because he did have some
pretty good gains, and oftentimes you also got the hand
of a defensive lineman because you're running the same play
side to side, and then finally get the big strikedown
field from Hurtz and what it looked like a pedestrian
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offensive effort now looks like, oh, we were geniuses biding
our time knowing we were going to eventually be able
to hit on a big play. And what's funny is, look,
the Chiefs have all but erased aj Brown tonight. They
had a shot to him in the end zone earlier
that fell in complete. But it's all been Devonte Smith.
The rapport he and Jalen Hurts have really something else.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
Yeah, Devonte Smith has been pretty good these last couple
of weeks. I think I thought the Eagles were going
to aj Brown a little bit too much in the
earlier season, and I think, you know, having Devonte's Smiths
step up here and add some balance to their offense
is gonna, you know, provide some dibodends moving forward for
this year. But we just got a big holding penalty
right here on the Eagles, which will probably a derail
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what they usually do in these situations where they just
keep matriculating down the field. Now it's second and twenty two,
when now it's a different story. Kansas City may have
another chance here to to try to score and win
this game.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Start getting behind the change second twenty two, three twelve
remaining clock tick tick tick hert slides down. Yep, keep
the clock rolling, make them decide whether they want to
use timeouts or not. The play clock and it is
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and that let me let's be segue to this, right.
We talked with Jason lock In for last hour. Obviously
he's out there in Baltimore and cover the Ravens, and
we talk about the importance of Mark Andrews. Yeah, Eagles
have themselves a damn fine tight end as well, and
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Dallas Goddard, who's unavailable. They're hoping to get him back
down here for the stretch run. But when you take
a guy like that out of an offense, who's so
pivotal to making things happen and sucking up so much
space in the middle, you know, as a defense is
what does that do in your preparations when all of
a sudden you take out eighty eight, you take out
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Mark Andrews, and suddenly it's like, all right, how are
we devising our schemes against these other receivers, because it's
gonna be a completely different look.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Yeah, no, it's It's interesting because I think especially in
this Daan and age now, where the tight ends are
so good, I mean, and tight ends throughout the no
throughout history have been key contributors and people that you
have to you know, you got a game plan for
But I know in my days playing in playing I
I relish that match up myself individually. So I would
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go into a game if we had a really good
tight end that week, I would take him one one
and I would tell coach he's not He's not going
to be the reason we're going to lose.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
So I think you've you've lost a little bit of
that in.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
This day and age now where you can't be as
physical with the with the tight ends or receivers in general, you.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Can't touch them anymore.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
So I think that's what made the tight end position
such a valuable position now because I mean they're calling
illegal contact, they're calling holding on things, where back in
my day we could be a little bit more physical.
So they're big, their matchup problems. You can't put a
cover guy on them. You can't put a corner on
them because they're too big, and you can't put a
safety linebacker because they're usually a little bit more athletic
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athletic than they are and just use their big bodies
to position. So they're they're they're nightmare matchups man, and
you have to game plan for them, especially deep in
the red zone where a lot of those tight ends
like the Kelsey's de Andrews.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
They make their living. Now, let me ask you this
uh flowing flowing out of that, how early in the
game as a dB did you know how the officials
were gonna call it? I mean we've got past, you know,
performances data, just like we do on players, right of
what tendencies are, et cetera. But game to game, you
know this is going to be a little bit of
a feel. You know, you're the Jets and you're you're
playing say a rival team or a team that's known
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for from Gronkowski or somebody like that. Right you're playing,
how much you do you think you're How early do
you know whether you're going to be able to get
away with a little pushing and shoven or if the
tiki tac might be around them? Well, it's not even early.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
We know before the game we can look at whoever's
going to be the crew that week and know what
they like to call. So when I was in New York,
when Man Genie, we would literally, I mean we were
so analytical and we were so thoroughed with everything. We
would know who the officiating crew was and knew what
they were, what they were prone to throw what they
were heavy on calling, and you know, so you kind
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of had that awareness going into the game year before.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Yeah, so you've got the awareness though, but you still
got to be aggressive, especially if you're facing ground cows. Sure, yeah,
yeah right, because your bulldoze you. Yeah right, it's one
of those all right, how do we manage this knowing
he's going to be physical and make sure we don't
get caught with an arm extended trying to fend him
off and those kinds of things.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Well, what we like to do in those situations is
we would have whoever the rusher was to that side
be physical with them at the line so they don't
call it. They're usually close close up, you get your
five yards in theory exactly. So we would let those
guys bruise them up, chip them up, and kind of
throw them off of his trajectory of his route. And
so that would help us a lot. But again, I mean,
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I'm gonna be a little handsy anyway. A lot of
those guys, as long as you keep them close, A
lot of times they would you know, in my day,
let that go a little bit. But yeah, you got
to be physical with those guys. They do the same thing.
They their big bodies. Look at them. He's just shielding
the guy out right now, Kelsey drops it. But they're
really good at using their bodies, and I think the
tight end position is that's why it's such a hard
position to cover.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
What what a turn of events there on a third
and two to eighteen remaining Kelsey with what was pretty
easy passed to the outside, look like he gets away.
He's got some green in front of him instead right
off the fingertips. Now on fourth and two, uh Mahomes
is able to come right back to him as they're
working to get a snap off ahead of the two
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minute warning. But one of those, like we've seen a
couple of players Kelsey right and he and he catches
another ball now out to the thirty four. But there's
just been a couple of those. We saw the fumble earlier,
trying to make something extra happen, and now trying to
see with a two minute warning. I mean, how does
a guy keep getting open like that? That's that's the
(23:31):
million dollar question. It helps, the roughs are on your side,
It does help. It helps a little bit. Yeah, I
was gonna say, don't don't sit there like the chiefs
don't get every damn call. It sounds like he's speaking
from experience here. He he's a guy in division. He
knows this. I've had enough of it, Carrien.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
He's mad as hell and he's not gonna take it
any more.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
No, it's uh, he's the thing that he does really well. Yes,
he does push off a lot, and like I talked
about earlier, those tight ends are are giving a little leeway,
a little bit more leeway than we are defensively to uh,
to be physical. So you know he does that. But
he's also a really smart guy. Him and the h
the rapport that him and Mahomes have, it's just finding
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those little.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
What greg Kowski used to do. It's the same thing, right,
How is that guy finding so much space? But it's
you know that little little steps keep working, Let's.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
Keep moving a little manipulation of the defense and just
find those holes in those zones. And and Brady and
Mahomes know that they can trust them to find that spot.
And it's just it's that. And you talk about Lamar
and Mark Andrews too, the same They just they so.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
That as a defensive back, though, you guys have done
your job right, to a man. Your corners use safeties
you've got, you've all done your job, but they buy
just enough time on that offensive line that Gronkowski or
Kelsey or one of these guys finds that little space,
like even the Patriots taking Welker or one of those
other games. Right, same thing. Not necessarily a big play downfield,
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but just enough to move the sticks, keep the sticks moving,
sit down, right, hankwa Bolda was the best post up receiver. Yeah,
perhaps in the game, right, just I know where the
sticks are and I'm just gonna box out and find
my space. Dude. It's it's it's annoying, but it's also like.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
You have to give them credit sometimes and I'm just saying,
of course, yes exactly, like it's well, you got us displayed.
But the thing about Brady and those guys in those
times when we were playing, and it's similar to my
homes and a lot of the great ones, is it
doesn't matter how good you play. For most of the game.
Where they make they where they make their hay is
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right before the halves, and so the game would be
seven three or ten seven, and you feel like you're
in the game and you're competing and you're doing well
and you're you're you're bottling it, you're bollowing them up
a little bit, and you feel good about it. It'll
be fifty eight seconds before they have and every time
they would score, and just from being ten to seven
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and feeling good about yourself to being seventeen to seven
and knowing that they get the ball, the kickoff the
second half and next thing you know, it's twenty to seven.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
It just is demoralizing.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
And I think that's the word that would probably come
with no guys that have that rapport and know that
in it's two minute drill, we can't hide it, we
can't disguise, and they just know exactly what are going
with it.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
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Speaker 3 (26:39):
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talk all that smack talk up the chiefs defense to
what did they do? They said, harmon take that slap,
takes out of data exactly seven play sixty one yards,
two fifty three off the clock. Jalen hurts on the
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QB draw ten yards for the score seventeen to fourteen.
Now as we play deep into the third quarter. Joining
us now on the hotline as he does each and
every week, talking all things NFL Week eleven, Our buddy,
Jason locking for at Jason locking for a one oh
five seven the Fan in Baltimore, Washington Post NFL Insider Jason,
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Happy Holiday week, buddy, How are you? Eh?
Speaker 5 (27:47):
Happy Thanksgiving? Hope everybody's doing well out there in La Lan.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Yeah, we're hustling along the sidewalks and streets replete with
cars and everything. But they got the ten backup after
that fire, so everybody decided there. As we go through
the games of week eleven, some good, some bad, some
ugly as always. But you know, since Smith isn't here,
I'll ask the obvious question, Tim Boyle, let's go, come on,
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it's time.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
Yeah, come on, man, it's so mismanaged and it doesn't
you know, I don't know what they think it's going
to accomplish now, and I don't know why, you know,
when there's people out there that we've talked about this
they could have acquired before the deadline. There's so many
different ways they could have handled us. I mean, why
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Zach Wilson was back in their building in the first
place was asked, Like the idea that Aaron Rodgers is
going to take him under his wing and turn him
into something like that's as ridiculous as thinking Nathaniel Hackett
deserves to be calling place for you, like with jack Assery,
you know, like, and Zach Wilson is not going to
be anybody starting quarterback and he's not going to win
games in the NFL for anybody, and nobody else would
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have Nathaniel Hackett in the role that he's in. And
Aaron Rodgers will come back next year and he won't
make it through the season again, And like it is
what it is. The offensive line is a joke. I
mean they're an abject failure. I mean they've scored four
fewer offensive touchdowns than anybody in the league. Like they've
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they've got the lowest third down conversion percentage in this
league this deep in the season, in twenty years. Like
you know, it's it's deck chairs on the Titanic, like whatever.
You know, it's not Jacoby Brissett. It's not Josh Dobbs.
You know it's not you know, they don't even have
a Heinikey type. They don't have a Gardner Minshew like
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they've got their they got the lesser, they got worse
than to Vito quarterback in New York.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
Come on, Jason, Hey, it is what it is.
Speaker 5 (29:54):
I mean, my god, they're killing me making me watch
that stuff.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
I know it's bad, no, but it's I have to
like really do this diversion to get away from this
sick filling in my stomach right now, to get the Jets.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
But uh, I want to talk about somebody on the West.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
Coast, and it's it's a team that has so much
potential going into every year, so much talent, and you
always want to say this year is their year, but
they never seem to be able to get it done.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
The la charge. You were going to call him, but
I caught it. The la charges.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
All right, let's talk about let's talk about Staley and
him finally showing some kind of emotion. I guess I
don't know good or bad, but let's talk about that
a little bit.
Speaker 5 (30:38):
Well, I mean it's it's emotion, but it's emotion, you know,
that's most sort of this role about himself. I mean,
and then at the same time kind of selling Keenan
Allen to the like, who's been a bigger warrior for
that franchise than him. You're going to bring up a drop,
I mean, all the plays he's made, on the things
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he's played through. This guy is self aggrandizing, He's self mythologizing.
The worst part about Brandon Staley is he believe his
own press clippings. I mean, it's you're talking to fraud
to the NS degree, like, and now he's going to
come out and act like, how dare you ask me
again about the defensive play calling when they Jordan Love
(31:19):
looks like Aaron Rodgers, you know, like everybody who plays
them has a career game, Like what maybe it is you?
You know, how come these players who they finally started
spending money to keep, how come so few of them
are playing up to their pay grade. You know that
you got a best to breed safety, you got the
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best to breed pass rusher. You added another booke then
pass rusher. You've paid some tackles. You know, you drafted
a left tackle super high, like you paid the quarterback.
You've paid some receivers. You kept the running back around.
And this is what it is. His defense has never
been any good. No, they can't blame injuries anymore. And
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he's gone, like I guess spent us away to the
end of the year because that's just I guess sort
of how they ride. Although didn't they fire Mike McCoy
in season anyway, whatever, Like it's over and he's over,
and I'm sure McVeigh or somebody will thill him a
bone and he'll be somebody's decoordinator. But he's got a
(32:27):
long way to go to get anywhere close to the
boy genius sort of, you know press clippings that were
surrounding him three years ago.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Now we know the Spanos is like the McCaskey Hallis family.
They don't like to pay people to go away. Will
Josh Harris do that for the final several games with
Ron Rivera or is he gonna wait it out?
Speaker 2 (32:49):
He should?
Speaker 5 (32:49):
I mean, sometimes these guys don't like their first move
to be something that high profile, you know, the something
where you're letting go a guy who look veris done
a horrible job there as a head coach, and he
was woefully, painfully miscast as their version of you know,
Bill Belichick, like he's got no business being in personnel whatsoever,
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let alone overseeing an entire franchise. But he's a good dude,
and you know, Harris is very I think sort of
his antennas are up in general. He's replacing a guy
who was despicable, and the last thing he wants to
be seen, as you know, as somebody who comes in
and fires people, even if it's incredibly warranted. So I
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don't know. I mean, if Dallas destroys them on Thanksgiving,
you certainly could. I mean Jack del Rio should be
going with him, right and then do you give you
know what I mean, does the enemy take over as
the interim I mean, he certainly could. Obviously there's some
issues offensively as well, but the more significant, more profound
weekly issues have been defensively. And Sam Howe has a
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you know, he looks he's going to play in this
league for a long time. We'll see how good of
a starter he is. But I mean, look, they're going
to have a new head coach and a new front
office structure next year.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
Yeah, me and Mike were talking off air Jason about
possible candidates to take over that job in Washington, right,
And so I mean my feel and you know, with
the new regime there in the front office and the
owners and all those you know, people that like the show,
you know, I e. My Magic Johnson, right, I could
see them bringing in, you know, you know, a person
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of color, right to kind of lead that lead that
team moving forward. I don't think it's the enemy. But
is there any hot, hot coaches, any any hot picks
out therefore a head coaching vacancy right now?
Speaker 5 (34:44):
Yeah, I mean certainly, And there seemed to be most
talking to some people this morning about it. I think
this could be a year where the things skew to
the defensive side. The offensive staffs have been so picked apart,
and scoring is down and red zone offenses are bad
and nobody has enough offensive lineman and everybody's running out
of quarterback, so it's hard to have that sexy next
(35:06):
guy up on offense. You know, the McVeigh Shannah Entre
has been picked bone dry. I mean, if you want
to put a Press Taylor out there or somebody like that,
you know, I guess you could, you know, a West
Phillips and the younger offensive coordinators. But I think it's
it's the guy who's gonna have his pick of all
the jobs is Ben Johnson with the Lions, and I
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would not be surprised if he ended up with the Chargers.
If they don't get an experience coach, I would think
they're going to go offense, and he would be the
main guy. I think Brian Flores is absolutely doing a
job there in Minnesota. He definitely deserves a second opportunity,
and I think, yeah, I think there's probably a lot
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of people in the league office with that lawsuit going on,
who would be doing backflips and cartwheels right if Brian
Flores was an NFL head coach, and I'm guessing it
would that thing would kind of go away, or it
would certainly tentor of it, I would think would maybe
change to some degree. Either way, Brian Flores absolutely deserved
strong consideration. And again I've looked at every every coaching
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staff in the league and kind of started highlighting people,
and he absolutely should be up there. Steve Wilkes. Steve
Wilkes kept in Carolina. I mean that things come on.
That thing's a joke, like he had no quarterback last year,
not the first overall pick, and they came one BS
call on DJ Moore taking his helmet off from went
in the division. Like, so, yeah, I hope people keep
(36:34):
an open mind. But I also you have covered this
league long enough to know that billionaires are going to
billionaire and systemic racism was going to systemic racism.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
Yeah, Wilts was the name that I had scribbled down of.
All right, remember how he got screwed in Arizona as well,
Jason Locker for our guest here Odyssey one five seven,
the Fan Washington Post at Jason lock and for where
you find him on Twitter. All right, Earlier today you
had John Harbor expressing optimism about Mark Andrews coming out
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of that win on Thursday night. How optimistic are you?
Speaker 5 (37:06):
I mean not very you know, John always skews positive,
and he's going to keep any door, you know, as
a jar as possible, even if it's unlikely. But I
think they'd have to go very deep in the playoffs
for it even to be a consideration, And even then
there would be a lot of boxes that would have
to be checked, and they won't in a look until
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he undergoes this procedure. You don't ever fully know sure,
but they have to operate as if he's not going
to play this year. I'd be shocked if he does
play this year. And it's pretty amazing. He in his
career has thirty three touchdowns from Lamar Jackson, and Lamar
has thrown twelve interceptions when he's targeted Mark Andrews. Of
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everybody else on this Ravens roster right now, they have
a combined eighteen touchdowns from Lamar Jackson and fourteen picks
when he throws to anybody else, including like six to
Rashad Bateman alone. So yeah, they got they got a
lot of things to figure out here. They're a really
good team to win a lot of regular season games,
but go look at the last fifteen years of the
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teams that have represented the AFC in the Super Bowl
and then go look who their tight end is. With
the exception of Owen Daniels that one year with Denver,
they're all dudes like they were guys who were perennial
Pro Bowlers. A lot of them were perennial All pros.
Several of them are going to Canton as first Ballots
Hall of Famers. It's a hard road in the AFC.
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I would argue that the tight end. You see people
talk all the time, right, no team has had a
top five highest paid running back who's won a Super
Bowl in forever. And all these teams that traded for
wide receivers and paid them, you know, none of them
have won a Super Bowl. Well yeah, well guess who
does win Super Bowls? Top five tight ends, they're in
them all the time, and I think it's it's going
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to be something that is very difficult for the Ravens
to overcome when you have to win week after week
after week against good defenses.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
In January and February, Frostburg said, as long as there's
no miracle cure to get him on the field for
Sunday night, it's okay.
Speaker 5 (39:10):
Yeah, Well, you.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
Go see Aeron or Rodgers guy I don't know, all right, Jason,
have a heavy Thanksgiving thanks, as always for the insight
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